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NFL Trade Deadline Reactions: Seahawks Land Rashid Shaheed, Jaguars Get Jakobi Meyers, & More! (11/04 Fantasy Football Podcast)
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
Yeah, it's always exciting when we get news right before the show starts. And you know, hopefully like you said, we get more before it ends. So let's, let's see if maybe we get Breece hall on the move and Tony Pollard and some of these other guys that we've been talking about for the last couple of weeks.
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Host 3 (possibly Dave)
I wonder if there's a Major domino effect. Remember, it's, it's not like the trade deadline is right now until 2. They've got till 4 Eastern. But this huge move by the Colts could make some other teams in the AFC specifically kind of get off the pot, so to speak, and make a move to try and help their team.
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Host 1 (possibly Adam)
So the two offensive trades that we had just in recent minutes, Jacoby Myers going to the Jaguars, that was actually about an hour ago for a fourth and a six round pick, and Rashid Shahid going to the Seahawks, so he gets a major upgrade in, in a passing game there, but obviously has to deal with jsn. But look at those two trades there. You get Myers going to the Jaguars, you've got Shahid going to the Seahawks. Jamie, who's the biggest fantasy winner in these transactions?
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
Well, it's a great question. I guess you'd probably say Chris Olave. You know, we saw last week that he was struggling a little bit with Shahid, taking some targets and maybe being the guy that Tyler Schuck was going to lean on. And now Olave goes clearly back to being the number one guy for the Saints. Trey Tucker obviously going to benefit with the Raiders. You know, I don't like the Shahid move personally. I think it crushes Torrey Horton and what he could have become, especially as a young receiver on the rise. And he goes to a team that we know for the most part has not thrown the ball very much and, and JSN is still going to dominate targets. You're still going to have Cooper cup taking some opportunities. Horton will get a couple of opportunities, some chances. So I think he's one of the biggest losers. And you say only two offensive trades. Let's not forget AD Mitchell was part of the Colts trade going to the Jets. He now gets the opportunity to automatically become their second best wide receiver. When you look at what this team looks like opposite Garrett Wilson and if Wilson doesn't come back, this is the chance for him to take off. So I think in deeper leagues you obviously want to take a look at him as well. But overall, biggest winner, I think you got to look at Chris Olave.
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Host 3 (possibly Dave)
I think Olave is a big winner. I think Jacoby Myers is a big winner because he could go right to Jacksonville and line up anywhere in that offense and start to garner some targets. We know that Travis Hunter is out for a while. We don't know how long, if at all. Brian Thomas Jr. Is going to miss time, Adam. But it's not like Brian Thomas Jr. Was setting the world on Fire. Anyway, there's a good opportunity here for Jacoby Myers to see seven plus targets per game. Usually when he's done that over the course of his career, usually when he's happy, he gets good numbers and fantasy managers can use him as a number three receiver. I think Trevor Lawrence can lean on him in all sorts of ways, but certainly on short and intermediate throws. So I think that he's a decent winner. Jamie talked about Trey Tucker. There's another name, Jamie. I'm surprised you didn't mention him. But Jack Besh and also Dante Thornton, the rookie wide receivers that the Raiders drafted. I think Trey Tucker is going to be the most interesting one of those three. But now we're going to see what this offense looks like as they take a step toward the future. They see what they've got. And in Thornton, who's a fast and long armed outside receiver, Jack Besh, who's a big guy who works out of the slot, really could be impactful there. These are also wide receivers in deeper leagues that fantasy managers could take a look at.
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Host 1 (possibly Adam)
If you talk about the waiver wire and let's say Jacoby Myers and Trey Tucker and Parker Washington and Rasheed Shahid were all available. I can't put Tori Horton on this list now.
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Host 3 (possibly Dave)
Okay.
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Host 1 (possibly Adam)
But it's. It's the two guys in Jacksonville, Myers and Parker Washington, it's Rashid Shahid and who is the other one? I said my head's spinning here.
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Host 3 (possibly Dave)
Trey Tucker said.
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Host 1 (possibly Adam)
Trey Tucker. Thank you. How would you rank those four for this week?
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
It would be Washington 1, Myers 2, Tucker 3, Shaheed 4.
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Host 3 (possibly Dave)
But if it's for rest of season, Washington would move to the bottom of that list. Myers would be at the top. I think I would chance it on Tucker over Shahid. Like I agree with Jamie. I'm very nervous about what Rasheed Shahid does. Moving to an offense like Seattle, which is going to be able to play with a lead in a lot of their games, they'll run the ball a lot more, they'll throw a lot less. So I think I would go rest of season. Myers 1, Tucker 2, Shaheed 3, Parker, Washington 4.
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
The wild card in all of this is Brian Thomas Jr. If he's going to miss a significant amount of time and it could be a high ankle sprain, then Myers and Washington both benefit. Because we know Hunter's not back for at least three more games and who knows what the state of their team is. Do they rush him back? Do they take their time? You know, we don't know how Bad. This knee injury was non contact in practice. In the case of Brian Thomas maybe missing significant time, then I think both Myers and Washington have a chance to be successful. And you know, again, we see these trades. I agree with Dave, like there's going to be an opportunity here for Jacoby Myers. But Parker Washington's a guy that. We talked about this on our podcast on Wednesday morning or Tuesday morning. Excuse me, that, you know, he's been getting a lot of targets with these guys healthy. This is a guy that Trevor Lawrence has been leaning on. This is a guy that I think Liam Cohen likes. I don't think there's a huge ceiling for Parker Washington, but I don't know if he's just going to go away because Jacoby Myers is there. So it's a great move for them to get some help in the short term, maybe the long term, depending on how long these injuries are. And let's not forget Deyondame Brown's also in the concussion protocol. So they needed help. And you know, for a team that's trying to get into the playoffs and certainly has the ability to do so, they're trying to stabilize that position because we just don't know the volatility of how it could be with Thomas and with Hunter with their entries. Yeah.
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Host 1 (possibly Adam)
Jacoby Myers had been a top 30 wide receiver per game for three straight seasons. Right now he's not even in the top 50. He hasn't caught a touchdown. But it's kind of interesting to compare his 17 game pace with Brian Thomas juniors. Jacoby Myers is on pace for 80 catches, BTJ for 64. Jacoby Myers, 855 yards, BTJ 893. BTJ on pace for two touchdowns, Myers 0. And Brian Thomas Jr. On pace for 128 targets. Myers 119. We haven't gotten good production.
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
How bad? Brian Thomas, right?
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Host 3 (possibly Dave)
Exactly.
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Host 1 (possibly Adam)
I know another name here, guys, is Juwan Johnson. You know, he's a guy who was kind of at the bottom of the waiver wireless at tight end, which was really good, but he probably moves past. I. I'm just thinking about Jamie's waiver wireless, but he probably moves past Mason Taylor. Well, I don't know. You know, it's not like AD Mitchell has done a lot, you know, but. But this is obviously a boost for him, isn't it? Because this team, they don't throw successfully, but they throw a lot. To get you the number here, 35 pass attempts per game for New Orleans makes Juwan Johnson pretty interesting.
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
Jamie, it Absolutely does, you know, and just shows you another player at this position that's going to, you know, I think help fantasy manager. So when you're looking at it and you're saying, okay, how much do I need to spend on a Harold Fannin or a Colston Loveland? Maybe I just let it go, you know, not spend a lot of fab and I pivot to a Juwan Johnson or a Luke Musgrave, you know, one of these guys that is going to be in some prominent situations on teams where we've seen a lot of success from the tight end spot. So I agree with you. You know, last week was the first time Juwan Johnson scored double digits in PPR without at least seven targets. He scored a touchdown. So keep that in mind. But it was the first touchdown from Tyler Schuck in his start. So there's a lot to like about Juwan Johnson, but where's the ceiling lie? You know, is he going to be a 10, 11 PPR point per game guy or can he get north of that now that, you know, Rashid Shahid is gone? You know, I think you look at Devon Vele, you know, somebody else that's going to be a winner here, you know, somebody could make some plays for the Saints as they pivot to, you know, more of their youth movement. But I think we hopefully get back to what we were getting the beginning part of the season, which was just a boatload of targets for Chris Olave. And when he's had those opportunities, he's been successful.
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Host 3 (possibly Dave)
That's if they keep Chris Olave.
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
Yep, good point.
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Narrator/Advertiser
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Host 1 (possibly Adam)
If everything stands as is, would you rather have Juwan Johnson over the Browns tight ends or would you still prefer the Browns?
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Host 3 (possibly Dave)
You'd rather have the Brown side ends. There's certainly going to be more targets there week to week and certainly more upside there from week to week. And Joanne Johnson's been good double digit PPR points three straight games. But I think it's 11 PPR points in three of Fannin's last four and 13 plus PPR points in two of David Najoku's past three.
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Host 1 (possibly Adam)
All right, last question on this for now that I can think of any major boost or minor boost for Sam Darnold and or Trevor Lawrence.
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
Darnold for sure. I mean, you know, he just got another incredible player, you know, that. Or a good player. You know, I want to give too much credit to Ricci, but a good player that's familiar with Clint Kubiak. They were together in New Orleans last season. So I'm sure that has to do with why they targeted Shahid and got him on this roster. But now you can line up with Shahid Horton. Jsn, you know, still throw Cooper cup in there. There's just a lot of weapons, a lot of options for Sam Darnold. So for a guy that's put himself in the MVP conversation, for a team that's clearly headed toward the playoffs and may win that division, you know, there's a lot to love about what Sam Darnold looks like right now. And you know, Dave said this before, which I think they want to do. They want to get their run game going. Their run game sucks. And so you're just saying, okay, now we may just have to go out and be a very pass, heavy pass dominant team, which would help Shahid and obviously help everybody else. But if they stay in that low 30 pass attempt range, which is kind of where they've lived all season, it really doesn't say, okay, Shahid's going to benefit from this move. Like, I would have preferred to see him go to even somebody someplace maybe like Pittsburgh where, you know, there was opportunities for six plus targets game. That's what Calvin Austin's got the last two weeks. If he went to Buffalo, you know, could be the guy that we thought Keon Coleman could potentially be, you know, as that lead outside receiver. So this doesn't feel like this is a big win for Shahid. It might be, but they would have to sort of adjust their offensive philosophy a little bit and maybe just say, okay, Cup. Who knows how long this hamstring heel injury is going to linger for him. Tory Horton, we like you, but we just don't love you yet as a rookie. And Shahid steps in and if he can get six plus targets, he'll be okay. I just don't see it happening on a consistent basis.
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Host 1 (possibly Adam)
Yeah, you know what I think would have to be made up for in touchdowns because the targets probably won't be there consistently. They, you know, New Orleans 35 past attempts per game. Seattle 27 and a half. But Seattle's throwing 16 touchdowns and New Orleans has thrown nine. So maybe Shahid can capitalize on that. All right, you know what, before we go to break, because when we come back, we're going to kind of combine quarterbacks and not kind of. We're going to actually combine quarterbacks and running back waiver wire. Yeah, right. I thought it was right.
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
It was.
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Host 1 (possibly Adam)
They were nice to have a lousy quarterback and running back waiver wire week when we're going to have all this breaking news. Let's redo your top three because your top three waiver wire priorities originally included Parker Washington and not Tory Horton, but Washington was number one, I think. So if we were going to do it again. Dave, I'll start with you on this. I'm talking, I'm filibustering here to give you time to think about it. Let me know when you're ready.
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Host 3 (possibly Dave)
Are you ready?
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
I'm good.
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Host 3 (possibly Dave)
Okay. I thought you had something to say, like you just saw something across the wire. Okay. I'm still going to say. I'm still going to go with Fannin Nijoku and Loveland.
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Host 1 (possibly Adam)
Okay.
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
Jamie Fannin and Level are on the list already. I'm still going to go Parker Washington. I think just for one week, he's going to be a guy that Trevor Lawrence leans on again. I don't expect Brian Thomas to play this week. We know Travis Hunter not going to play this week. It's going to be a short week for Jacoby Myers till he gets to Jacksonville and gets acclimated and learns the system so he'll have an opportunity to make some plays again. Diamond Brown in the concussion protocol as well. So I think for one week when we're looking at this, Parker Washington could still be a number three fantasy receiver.
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Host 3 (possibly Dave)
But if Jacoby Myers is out there on your waiver wire, put him at the top.
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
Yeah. Same with Trey Tucker. You know any of these guys that are going to, you know, sort of benefit, you want to take a look at those guys as well?
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Host 3 (possibly Dave)
I might take the tight ends over Tucker.
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Host 1 (possibly Adam)
I would take Tucker over Myers.
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
I would take Tucker over Myers too.
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Host 3 (possibly Dave)
You would?
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
Okay. All right.
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Host 1 (possibly Adam)
Well, I mean, if you told me that Brian Thomas Jr. Was going on IR or something, that might change things, but let's say it's a one to two week absence for Brian Thomas Jr. Something like that.
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
Maybe no week. He may play this week. Right.
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Host 1 (possibly Adam)
There's a chance. Zero week absence. What'd you say?
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Host 3 (possibly Dave)
There's a chance that Brian Thomas Jr. Plays this week. My argument is that we've seen enough of Trey Tucker to know that he's very boomer bust to begin with. I think we'll get more consistency out of Jacoby Myers in Jacksonville.
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Host 2 (possibly Jamie)
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