Redrafting Round 1, Trade Talk, Buy Ja'Marr Chase? Plus SF-LAR Preview (10/01 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

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Fantasy Football Today | Redrafting Round 1, Trade Talk, Buy Ja'Marr Chase? Plus SF-LAR Preview

Date: October 1, 2025
Hosts: Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, Heath Cummings
Theme: Redrafting the 1st Round, Midseason Trade Strategies (Buy Low/Sell High), SF-LAR Preview

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Episode Overview

The FFT crew dives into key midseason topics: who'd go in Round 1 if you drafted today, which struggling fantasy stars are buys or sells, and what to make of the Niners-Rams Thursday night matchup. With injuries reshaping rosters and trade talks heating up, Adam, Dave, Jamey, and Heath debate trade targets, positional values, and playoff-caliber waiver moves, delivering their signature banter and sharp, stats-backed takes.

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News & Notes (05:00–10:00)

• Quarterback Changes:
  • Cleveland: Dylan Gabriel to start. Not a big-armed guy; short-yardage tendencies could mean a higher tight end target share.
    • "It can't be worse. I mean, it's been awful." – Jamey (05:13)
  • San Francisco: Brock Purdy (toe) unlikely for TNF, but still trying to play.
• Running Back Injuries:
  • Bucky Irving: Undergoing more medical evaluations; possibly pain-tolerance issue, not season-ending.
  • Waiver Wire: Sean Tucker (Tampa Bay) a top pickup with Irving's status in limbo.
    • "You should be picking up Sean Tucker and you should definitely be picking up Rashad White." – Jamey (08:04)
• Waiver Wire Bids: Example FAAB spends for Sean Tucker ($11 Adam, $4 Dave).
• Quick Hitters:
  • Cedric Tillman (CLE) to IR
  • Tyreek Hill agent says Tyreek 'likely to play' next season
  • Titans to feature Gunner Helm at TE more.

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Trade Talk: Buy Low Targets (12:35–23:15)

Jamar Chase (CIN)

• Only one big game post-Burrow; Jake Browning’s short aDOT limits ceiling.
• Still recommended as a buy—could improve with easier matchup vs. Detroit.
  • "You're not going to get peak Jamar Chase...But I think that's the selling point in trying to get him." – Jamey (12:58)
• Could trade someone like George Pickens plus a piece.

Tetairoa McMillan (ARZ)

• Plenty of targets, but no breakout yet; schedule lightens up.
  • "He's got the fourth easiest schedule rest of season, third easiest in the next four weeks. Love the McMillan call." – Dave (14:41)

Chris Godwin (TB)

• Buy low due to quiet game just back from injury.
  • "I still think that...Godwin could lead this team in targets and maybe be the most reliable in full PPR." – Heath (16:11)
• His slot rate was low last game, but should rise with Evans' return.

Jalen Waddle (MIA)

• Recent history: 18.9 PPR/game in career games with 8+ targets.
  • "I would rather have Jalen Waddle than any Bucs wide receiver rest of season." – Heath (20:21)

Brock Bowers (LV, TE) – later in show

• Looked healthier, 30% target share in Week 4.
  • “Bowers...enough usage that makes him a buy if you can get him cheap.” – Jamie (39:51)

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Trade Talk: Sell High Targets (42:00–48:00)

Emeka Egbuka (TB)

• Outstanding highlights, but risk of volume dropping once Evans and Godwin both healthy.
  • "He's kind of been one play away from a bad fantasy day in three of his four games." – Heath (43:18)

Travis Etienne (JAX)

• Current production likely unsustainable with Tootin's role expected to grow.
  • "We know that Basil Tootin is there. We think Bashaltutin will eventually have a larger role." – Dave (43:54)

Derrick Henry (BAL)

• Both a buy and a sell argument: heavy name value; three straight games of 12 or fewer carries.
  • "If you can turn him into A.J. Brown or Jamar Chase...I would." – Jamie (35:12)

Christian McCaffrey (SF)

• Elite in PPR, but TDs lacking, offense struggling to run.
  • "Is he going to have a 30% target share ... when Kittle's there and maybe they have a better #1 WR than Kendrick Bourne?" – Heath (45:35)

Dallas Goedert & Dalton Kincaid (TE)

• Both are scoring mostly via short-term TD outbursts, not sustainable usage.
  • "Any starting tight end I would take over Dallas Goedert and Dalton Kincaid." – Heath (47:35)

George Pickens (DAL), Jordan Addison (MIN)

• Big games lately, mostly due to volume/favorable scripts; likely to fade as team situations improve.
  • "This may be somebody you can get someone significant for...or for him plus someone to get Jamar Chase." – Jamey (48:16)

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Segment: Trade Target Debate – Specific Offers (31:03–34:12)

• Who would you trade for Jamar Chase or A.J. Brown?
  • Zay Flowers: trade for Brown? "In a minute, yes." – Jamie (33:39)
  • Ken Walker for A.J. Brown? "Yes." – Dave/Jamie/Heath (34:02)
• On what it takes to land a true buy-low:
  • "If you're not going to do it with that type of player, then you're probably not going to risk it for other players as well, because you have to give something in return." – Jamie (31:39)

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Redrafting Round 1 – If We Drafted Today (52:41–58:39)

Draft order: Jamie, Heath, Dave, snake draft.

Top 12 Picks (PPR):

1. Puka Nacua (Jamie, 52:52)
2. Bijan Robinson (Heath, 53:12)
3. Christian McCaffrey (Dave, 53:27)
4. James Cook (Dave, 53:27)
5. Amon-Ra St. Brown (Heath, 54:40)
6. Devon Achane (Jamie, 55:01)
7. Jameer Gibbs (Jamie, 55:01)
8. Jaxon Smith-Njigba (Heath, 55:26)
9. Jonathan Taylor (Dave, 55:54)
10. Omarion Hampton (Dave, 56:00)
11. Justin Jefferson (Heath, 56:05)
12. CeeDee Lamb (Jamie, 56:15)

Notable Omissions:

• Saquon Barkley barely left out ("He’s still good, but maybe not as good as ADP" – Dave)
• Nico Collins, Isiah Pacheco, Brian Thomas Jr. discussed just outside top 12.

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SF-LAR Thursday Night Football Preview (58:58–66:46)

Key Question: Is this a good fantasy spot?

• SF offense: Big concerns if Purdy, Pearsall, and Jennings can't go. McCaffrey the only auto-start.
  • "Could be absolute disaster for San Francisco if Mac Jones, DeMarcus Robinson and Kendrick Bourne are the main guys" – Jamie (59:38)
• Matthew Stafford (LAR):
  • Ranked as a fringe starter (Jamie high end QB2, Dave much lower)
  • "He's got the same type of upside as...these streaming QBs, living around 18–21 point range." – Dave (63:06)
• Kyren Williams (LAR):
  • Not as many carries as 2024, but efficiency up; holds as RB2.
• Rams WRs: Start Puka Nacua, Davante Adams (top 15).
• 49ers TEs: Jake Tongas only desperation.
• DST considerations:
  • Rams a solid stream (especially if SF is depleted), but Cardinals/Chiefs preferred by some.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Expected Fantasy Points League...you should definitely start Harold Fannin." – Heath, joking about expected points leagues (06:44)
• "Jamar Chase style fantasy games: 2. Eight games with 12.1 or fewer points." – Dave, on Chase’s profile without Burrow (24:51)
• "If Makaki starts to get going, Hampton continues to do this...a lot of ways this could fall apart for Quentin Johnson." – Jamie, on risks with breakout WRs (31:39)
• "He's been one play away from a bad fantasy day in three of his four games." – Heath, on Emeka Egbuka (43:18)
• "Any starting tight end I would take over Dallas Goedert and Dalton Kincaid." – Heath (47:35)
• "It's a terrible year for wide receiver." – Adam (66:43)
• "Desperation, thy name is Tongas." – Dave, on 49ers TE streamer Jake Tongas (67:05)

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Timestamps of Major Segments

• 05:00 – QB news, RB injury recap & waiver
• 12:35 – Buy low: Ja'Marr Chase, T. McMillan, Chris Godwin, Jalen Waddle
• 24:51 – Should you break the bank for Jamar Chase?
• 31:03 – Specific player-for-player trade debates (Flowers, Walker, etc.)
• 35:10 – Derrick Henry argument: buy or sell?
• 42:00 – Sell High: Emeka Egbuka, Etienne, Derrick Henry, McCaffrey, Pickens/Addison
• 52:41 – 2025 Redraft: Top 12 picks, debate
• 58:58 – SF-LAR preview: Start/sit, injuries, deeper plays
• 66:43 – The disaster zone at wide receiver: quick hit WR ranks, sit/start

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Final Fantasy Advice & Week 5 Outlook

• Be more aggressive trading secondary breakouts for established, slumping stars in good offenses.
• Prioritize depth at RB with waivers, especially in light of new injury news.
• Approach both Ja’Marr Chase and A.J. Brown with cautious optimism—they are worth the bid but do not overpay.
• In lean wide receiver weeks, chase volume; at RB, buy opportunity ahead of schedule changes (injuries, new roles).
• Stay on top of injury news (e.g. Bucky Irving) for last-minute adds.

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Transcript

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[Heath]

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[Adam]

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[Heath]

No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league.

[Adam]

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[Jamie]

This is going to go the distance.

[Heath]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Adam]

It's hump day and It's October. Wednesday, October 1st. What's up everybody? Welcome to Fantasy Football Today presented by BetMGM. The sports before and in Vegas. Heath, busy day for you. You got to put out all the Halloween decorations. It's time.

[Heath]

Hey, it's October 1st. You know, I'm going this year as Liam Cohen because I was trying to put in a new offense last night with my basketball team, and I felt very much like Liam Cohen. They can't throw, they can't catch. Nobody goes to the right place. This is a disaster.

[Dave]

I thought you meant you were gonna steal signs. Yeah, like take nobody's home signs or out of order signs, the whole steel sign thing is done signs, and put it outside the front of your house so nobody comes to your house on Halloween night.

[Heath]

I think it's.

[Adam]

It's.

[Heath]

This whole steel sign thing is so dumb. Well, maybe have better signs.

[Adam]

Maybe I can go as Robert Sal and you and I can, you know, have one of our throwback fights.

[Heath]

Who looks more like who? Me and Liam Cohen or Adam and Robert Solo?

[Adam]

You would Liam Cohen?

[Jamie]

I don't know if Adam shaved his head.

[Adam]

No, I don't think so. Okay, so we got some news updates for you.

[Jamie]

We have a costume. Adam, commit to the costume.

[Adam]

I have a costume idea. I proposed it to Dave. He said no. So I'm going to propose it to Jamie for Halloween. It's a Friday. I think we could have fun with it. I'll. I'll text it to you or I'll type it to you in the private chat. You let me know what you think.

[Jamie]

Anyway, we. By the way, he says to do this as well. It requires you coming to Florida. We have our first auction item for next year's draft.

[Adam]

A thon a trip to Florida.

[Jamie]

And you two have to sign it.

[Adam]

Oh, okay. I'll be there by. What is it?

[Jamie]

We'll keep teasing the suspense, but it's. It's. It's an autograph paraphernalia from our show. All right.

[Adam]

Okay, let's get into the show here. Quarterback News. We have a new quarterback in Cleveland. We're going to tell you who to buy low and sell high on. We're going to talk about Chris Godwin. We're going to talk about A.J. brown. Obviously, I'll bring up Brian Thomas Jr. Has to happen on pretty much every show we do. Derrick Henry will be discussed. Emeka Buka, DK Metcalf. And we will preview Thursday Night Football. And we will redraft round one, which I think is going to be pretty running back. Heavy news and notes. Lamar Jackson not expected to play this week. They get Houston, then the Rams, then a buy. I don't think anyone would be surprised to see him out through the bye week. So that would be two games, but for now he's not expected to play this week. Lamar Jackson. Dylan Gabriel is going to start for Cleveland. I already did my preview for that game and my stat of the game was that out of, I don't know, 130ish qualified quarterbacks in college football last year, Dylan Gabriel had the third lowest air yards per target. I don't know if that will be the same here. But he is not a downfield guy, doesn't have a big arm.

[Heath]

That's, that's going to be a really big change for the Browns.

[Adam]

Is this good or bad for the Browns? It's got. It can't be bad, right?

[Jamie]

It can't be worse. I mean, it's been awful. So, you know, give them credit for trying something different. At this point, I just feel bad for Gabriel. Like he's got to go play the Vikings defense in his first start in Europe, you know, so not even a home crowd to support him here. So it's, it's a little tough to say, you know, hey, I'm starting Jerry Judy and the Browns tight ends at this point with any semblance of confidence at this stage just based on what the Vikings run defense look last like looked like last week, it's quinch on Judkins or bust. No, go ahead.

[Adam]

No, you didn't know you.

[Heath]

The two changes I'm going to make to my projections because Joe Flacco right now is averaging 5.1 yards per pass attempt. Maybe Dylan Gabriel will be worse than that, but you can't be that much worse. I think the Browns like they have a 34 rush rate so far this year. It might be 54 in this game because Joe Flacco teams just throw a bunch. And then the other thing is he's probably not going to throw an interception on 4% of his passes.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Dave]

Right. He last year in college, 8.6 yards per attempt on an 8 out of 6.7 yards. So that's to Adam's point about throwing short. Here's his rates to positions, wide receivers, 50% of his 57 of his targets, running backs 14.3%. Heath, you're gonna love this tight end target rate 23.7%. So maybe Harold Fannin ain't dead yet.

[Heath]

You know, it just depends on whether like first off most of the season it's just been a dysfunctional offense. Last week Harold Fannin should have had his breakout game and just didn't play Very well. But he has the 8th most expected fantasy point. So if you're an expected fantasy points league, you should definitely start helping.

[Adam]

That's in the future. All right. Brock Purdy not expected to play, although he hasn't ruled it out yet. He's trying to get out there. He's got the Thursday game at the Rams, but right now we're not expecting Brock Purdy due to the toe injury. At least he's speaking optimistically. Maybe he'll be back next week. Carolina head coach Dave Canales talked about the benefits of splitting the backfield work, keeping those guys fresh. So, you know, I mentioned, I think yesterday, even in the first half of the game, it was a blowout. The first half of the game, they were within one carry of each other. Chuba Hubbard and Rico Dowdle. Bucky Irving, this is the big one here. He's getting. I didn't even know what to do. Yeah, he's getting more medical opinions on his foot and ankle, but also hasn't been ruled out for this week. I don't think we like second opinions. But now if we're going to talk about the waiver wire and Sean Tucker and Rashad White. Rashad White, not really available, but Sean Tucker is. I was kind of in the 80s to 12% range on my Tucker bids. He's 14 roster. Jamie, what do you think now based on this Bucky Irving news?

[Jamie]

I would guess just from looking at some of the Twitter doctor reports that it could be anything from low ankle sprain to turf toe to, you know, something that is not necessarily season long, but could be pain tolerance related. But again, that's just, you know, reading speculation stuff. But I, I think at this point, yeah, you should be picking up Sean Tucker and you should definitely be picking up Rashad White because if it is something serious and, you know, you want to have the opportunity to have that player on your team, I, I was with you. That's, that's about what I spent on Sean Tucker. I got him in a few leagues, you know, a few leagues where waivers ran not fab, you know, got him as well. So I think if you're like an easy pivot for me is going to be and you know, do this in the leagues we're in together if you want to, you know, take advantage of it or not. But like Isaiah Davis, just an easy guy to go pick up if you drop Sean Tucker, you know, he's available everywhere. And now the handcuff too, to Breece Hall. So, like, there's easy ways to move off this. You know, if we find out there's news about Trey Benson today, Michael Carter is available in every league and still probably. I don't know what D. Mercado's percentage is. That's an easy pivot play as well. So you know you can still get some quality player. In the case of Tampa Bay's backfill, I think we kind of illustrated enough on Tuesday that White is my preference just because it was working the passing game. But Tucker can be a flex just knowing how much they used him last year in that one game win. Rashad White was out just looking at.

[Adam]

A few FFT open leagues. The Schneier division. Darius Slayton went for 28 is out of an original $100 budget. Sean Tucker went for 7 in the Dave division. Malik Washington went for 26. Interesting. Slayton went for 10 and Tucker went for 4 to Dave. Nice job. And I'll just do one more in the Azer Division. Let's see who got I got Sean Tucker for 11 and oh, you spent.

[Dave]

Almost three times as much as I did.

[Adam]

I did. How about that? And I got Michael Carter for four. I didn't know. Didn't necessarily want both of them. But that's kind of what happens with with Fab sometimes.

[Dave]

Well, congratulations.

[Adam]

Okay, so that's running back wide receiver Ricky Pearsall and Juwan Jennings.

[Jamie]

Do you feel like that's going to be $7 well spent?

[Adam]

I think it was $15.

[Jamie]

Oh, I'm sorry, 15. I thought I got Dave's 4 and.

[Adam]

Yeah, no, yeah, or 14 or 15. Whatever it was.

[Jamie]

That's a lot.

[Adam]

It is a lot. Except in that particular league. I'm a little more aggressive because the playoffs end two or three weeks earlier. You know, you don't need Fab once you get to the next right if you win your division. So you don't need it for as many weeks. Ricky Pierce on Juwan Jennings were listed as DNPS. Cedric Tillman is on IR so he's at least 4 weeks. Tyree kills Agent Drew Rosenhaus says Tyreek Hill will play next season. Perhaps at the beginning of the season. We shall see. Tight end news Tight end gunner Helm for the Titans is expected to get more opportunities. So if you were thinking about streaming Chigo conquo you might want to reconsider. And Colton Miller, left tackle for the Raiders. He is on ir. And packers defensive lineman Devonte Wyatt is week to week. The Packers DST last week was was one of the biggest busts. Man, they were horrible. I gave up 40 points. First time they gave up more than 13, I think all year. All right, Sunday we have another game in Europe. So we have another live stream from 8:30am to 9:30am which was really successful this past weekend. We had a lot of people there. So join us. I know it's early, but 8:30 to 9:30am right up until kickoff and then again from noon to one. These live streams are on YouTube.com fantasy football today. We'll see you there.

[Jamie]

All right, who hated that more? The people on the west coast or Heath having to do FFT Express earlier than normal?

[Adam]

He is.

[Heath]

The only thing that I was irritated about doing FFT Express earlier than usual was I told Adam, we're not going to know if Jalen Warren's playing or not. Oh, they said he's gonna play. And then Jalen Warren didn't play and we didn't talk about it.

[Adam]

Well, I mean, I can. I can say what actually happened is that we did talk about it right at the top of the show. Oh, he's gonna play. Jaylen Warren's gonna play. You know, start him, whatever. And then right before we went on the air for. Not right before, but before we went on the air for the 8:30 stream, we found out he was inactive. And I was like, oh, I can't publish this. What if this is the only thing that people hear? So Thomas edited it out, edit all the Warren stuff out. So he saved our bacon big time.

[Heath]

Good job, Thomas. Bad job, Adam. It was the most curse words I've ever received via text message before 8:30am really? From a league? Yeah. On a Sunday?

[Adam]

All right. By lows. So you're just gonna tell us kind of how you feel about these guys and what you'd be willing to give up. Jamie's gonna start with Jamar Chase, who has had only one good game so far, and Tea McMillan, who has had only, I guess, one good game so far. So Chase and McMillan. Go ahead, Jamie.

[Jamie]

Well, I, I think obviously everybody's frustrated with Jamar Taste that drafted him, knowing that Joe Burrow is going to be out for the majority of the season. And he's been a disappointment, like you said, in all but one game, certainly the last two games without Burrow starting, but this is a big time bounce back opportunity for him against Detroit. Clearly, this is the easiest defense so far that Jake Browning has faced, and I think we will get a good Jamar Chase performance. You're not going to get peak Jamar Chase, so understand that if you're. If you're buying him. But I think that's the selling point in trying to get him, because the manager that has him understands that as well. And so if you can, let's say, turn George Pickens and maybe something else, because I don't know if George Pickens by himself gets it done. But the idea of somebody who's playing at a very high level that somebody else may have had some interest in, and you mentioned it, we're going to redraft round one. There's a lot of running backs you could probably throw at the Jamar Chase manager as well that they may have missed out on because of what they took in round one and maybe in round two. So there's probably. It probably needs to be a package of players to get Jamar Chase, but if he starts to look like himself as the schedule lightens up a little bit, it's not going to be easy. And obviously the quarterback situation not getting any better until the end of the year. But still, you want to try to acquire him if you can, especially if you need some wide receiver help, knowing what that position looks like right now.

[Adam]

So you wouldn't give up George Pickens just straight up for Chase. Who would you rather have rest of season?

[Jamie]

Oh, I'd rather have Chase.

[Adam]

Okay, so you would do that in theory. Okay.

[Jamie]

And in the case of McMillan, look, it's been. It's been frustrating. Obviously, he has not. He's been on the cusp of, like, some big games. He's been on the cusp of, hey, this breakout is coming or this performance is going to happen. We've talked about this for the last couple of weeks. The schedule right now is great for him the next, you know, several games, so there's a chance for it to happen. And again, if there's a frustrated McMillan fantasy manager, take advantage of that as well.

[Dave]

He's got the fourth easiest schedule rest of season, third easiest in the next four weeks. Love the McMillan call. Love it.

[Adam]

Yeah. And he's gotten eight or more targets in every game, so that should give you a floor. I mean, I guess it hasn't really given you that much of a floor so far, but he. He's Bryce Young. Look, I. This team has no big plays. I mean, they just never make big plays. But Bryce young, he's over 4 on pass attempts of 30 or more air yards. One of them was a throwaway. The other three were to McMillan. So if they are going to make big plays, it's going to be through him. We'll get some more by lows. In a minute, but football fans bring that playoff energy to your pro football bets all season long. This Pro Football Boost Pack gives you three ways to boost your payout on a winning bet. Just log in to your BetMGM account to receive your boost pack and then place any pro football bet and apply one of the tokens. Make sure to bet up to the minimum stake odds and legs specified on the token. If your boosted bet hits, you'll score a bigger payout. From opening kickoffs to game winning drives, this Pro Football Boost Pack is your ticket to unforgettable moments this season. Don't wait on the sidelines. Join the action with BetMGM, BetMGM and Game Sense. Remind you to play responsibly. See betmgm.com for terms 21/only okay heath, Chris Godwin is a buy low for you. He was only started in 7% of leagues which was a good call. Three catches for 26 yards but he did have 10 targets against Philadelphia. Godwin and Jalen Waddle for you.

[Heath]

Yeah, 146 air yards in his debut for Chris Godwin. Very happy with how involved he was. We talk about it sometimes when we have guys coming back that we don't want to start him that first week back. We call it the shake the rest off game. Chris Godwin had a little bit of rust last week. Hopefully he got it all shaken off but it may take another week. I still think that there is a very good chance that while when Mike Evans is back it's going to be a condensed passing offense, I think Godwin could still lead this team in targets and maybe be the most reliable in full ppr. He got back a little earlier than we expected. He was more involved in the first game back. I would be looking to trade running backs that people are excited about that we're not necessarily sure are going to be full time running backs rest of season. I I think like maybe you can see what type of wide receiver you have to put with facial tune who people refuse to give up on. I would say Jacori Crosky merit see if he could give him up for Chris Godwin. I don't really want to give Travion Henderson up but that's somebody that's kind of in the same range.

[Adam]

A couple things on Godwin. So really I think the Bucks in general right they are typically a pretty run heavy team. They were chasing points against the Eagles. Godwin had a 30% 29% slot rate last week. That's not good for him right? I mean the One year that he had recently where he was really bad, a couple years removed from the acl, he had a pretty low slot rate. We want him to be closer to 60 typically. I mean that's just kind of been the, the case. And then Evans is coming back. I assume when Evans comes back, Godwin will pop back into the slot, which is good, but Evans is going to be back, so which is bad. So I just don't know how to approach because Dave's going to talk about a Mecca Buka as a, as a sell high. I don't know what this receiving core looks like. And if we're buying low on Godwin, is that going to be just kind of a fool Jew once Evan comes back? The broader question is how do you think of the Bucks wide receivers going forward? Heath, I'll let you start.

[Heath]

I think like it's, you can't have anyone at the top of the Bucks wide receivers right now except for a Mecca Buko based on what he's done. But like he's played a game without either one of these guys and two games without Godwin and one game with a partial Godwin and he's like seven and a half targets per game. I think there's a chance in full PPR God wins the best one rest of season. I'm afraid Evans will be the worst rest of season.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Jamie]

We also don't know when Evans is coming back and what we've seen so far, whether that continues or not because of how well Abeka and or Godwin are playing. By the time Evans is back, they. He has seen everybody's best corner.

[Adam]

Who has?

[Jamie]

Oh, Evans.

[Adam]

Evans. Yeah.

[Jamie]

You know, and so is that still the way you play Tampa is take Mike Evans away. Who will be a gimpy Mike Evans at first or a rusty Mike Evans at first? Put it, I'll phrase it that way. Rusty Mike Evans at first coming back from an injury. And look, the, you know, you say they're, they're a run heavy team. They may not have the running back.

[Adam]

We don't know that's true. Although he's actually been one of the worst rushers in football so far in terms of metrics. Because I was looking at Christian McCaffrey. McCaffrey's been horrible, right? I mean 3.3 yards per carry, I think, I think his longest run is 16 yards. Bucky Irving's been basically just as bad as a rusher. It's kind of, kind of weird.

[Heath]

And they're really. I think run heavy is probably the wrong word. To use. They're a neutral team.

[Adam]

I mean, they weren't going into. Are. Are they. I thought they were like 20 for the year.

[Heath]

They're 16th in run rush rate.

[Adam]

Okay. I thought. I think going into the game they were in the 20s and pass rate, but okay, so fair enough. Jalen Waddle, you know, Tyree Kill was giving us about, I think two straight games, about 16 points PPR. He was kind of on. On his way to something like that, you know, who knows? What do you think about Waddle? I'll give you that number. 16 points per game. You think Waddle gets there rest of season?

[Heath]

Well, he's had 12 games since the start of 2023 where he's had at least seven targets and he's averaged 17 fantasy points per game in those 12 games. I don't think that 16 is quite a fair expectation. Maybe 15 would be a better one, but 16, 17 is definitely possible. I would rather have Jalen Waddle than any Bucks wide receiver rest of season.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Do you think you could buy him alone, though, now?

[Heath]

I. I think that they're like what he's done so far this year and what he didn't do in the game after Tyree Kill left. You're probably not going to be able to buy low on Jalen Waddle in one of our leagues. Maybe, maybe, but probably not. But I think in a lot of leagues, yes. A guy that's. That's done so little is going to be. And had some disappointments in the last year.

[Dave]

Do you view him as a top 24 receiver rest of season?

[Heath]

Yes, I think he's closer to top 18 than top 24.

[Dave]

Yeah. So I was actually going to start narrowing it down and it was going to actually ask.

[Adam]

I think.

[Heath]

I think 18. I'd say he's top 18, but he's towards the bottom of that.

[Dave]

I've got him as receiver 20 rest of season, and I. I feel like people understand that without Tyree Kill there, he's got a great opportunity to haul in a bunch of targets. I think the offense is a lot different than where it was last year. I don't think they're going to completely revert back to what they did in 2024. And his track record has always been kind of crummy when everybody's healthy, but when somebody's missing, he steps up. The flip side is that everybody has a strong opinion on Jalen Waddle not being able to stay healthy, and that's going to live in people's minds as they move forward.

[Jamie]

With him.

[Dave]

So he's not somebody that I think you should give up a lot. Foreign trade, but still a decent amount. But where is he on the trade chart? He's right in the same range for me. A little bit behind Michael Pittman. He's definitely behind Xavier Worthy. Quentin Johnston, he's ahead of McLaurin. If you can't wait for Terry McLaurin, you're not sure what's going on with McLaurin. Maybe you can give McLaurin and a little bit more to get Jalen Waddle.

[Heath]

So you, you have a booker as a sell high?

[Dave]

I do.

[Heath]

Would you have rather have Waddle or a booker?

[Dave]

I'd rather, I think I can get a lot more for a Buka right now.

[Heath]

But would you rather have a book or Waddle?

[Dave]

I'd still rather have a Buka, but it's, it's kind of close.

[Heath]

I think you can, I think you can, I think you can get Waddle plus for a buca and I would love.

[Dave]

Yes, that I would agree with.

[Jamie]

Waddle has so Tyreek going into week four averaging 7.7 targets per game. Waddle in his career, 18 games with at least eight targets. In those 18 games he's averaging. I'm sorry, it's 26 games in his career with eight plus targets. Correctly. He's averaging 18.9 PPR points per game when he gets eight plus targets.

[Adam]

All right, I gotta take a break guys. We'll be right back. We're gonna talk about some more buy lows, the sell highs. Is Saquon Barkley still a first round pick? If we were drafting today, we'll tell you a little bit. We'll be right back.

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[Dave]

I agree that he's a good buy low. I just wouldn't break the bank and overpay for a guy who I I've got it right in front of me. 10 career games where he's played at least 28 snaps with Jake Browning, two big games, two Jamar Chase style fantasy games, and eight games with 12.1 or fewer PPR points. I don't think we can view him as the type of studly receiver. I mean I think everybody knows that, but I'm not even sure if we can or should view him as like a low end wide receiver one rest of season. We we need to see some significant change in Cincinnati before we do that. Browning ain't it. The offensive line's in trouble. Their defense is really bad, which means that they're going to be in a lot of games where opposing defenses are going to predictably play defense to cover Jamar Chase because they know that the Bengals are going to be passing a ton against them and maybe that was the case beforehand.

[Adam]

Yeah, I mean it's a lot easier.

[Dave]

Hold on. It's a lot easier now because it's Jake Browning behind a worse offensive line that he was playing with in 2023. So I don't mind going after Jamar Chase. I'd have to double check what I've got the schedule projected as as far as ranking rest of season in the next four weeks, but I don't think it's pretty good. They do play in the AFC North. There used to be some really good defenses in there. Now I think there's only two. I would be a little I I just I I would caution people don't spend too much for the name because I don't think the numbers are going to match what he what we were expecting or even like 60% of what we were expecting.

[Heath]

I will just say, like, the next two weeks are probably not good. But then Pittsburgh, Jets, Bears, Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, twice, Dolphins. There's a lot of good, good matchups for tomorrow.

[Jamie]

They got Detroit, I think, this week, actually.

[Adam]

Yeah. Detroit's got two defensive backs who are injured, but cornerbacks, right? I mean, yeah, Arnold and Reed, they might be down both of their starting corners for this game. Now, the pass rush could be an issue. That's going to be an issue most weeks. It's just the question, is Jake Browning the competent quarterback we saw two years ago, or is he one of the worst quarterbacks in football? He's played Minnesota and Denver so far.

[Heath]

I think they'll make a change if it continues to be this bad.

[Jamie]

I would agree. This is a big week for them. You know, home game in, again, a team that they're supposed to lose to. But the secondary issues there, I don't think they win the game. But I think if they look better offensively, then you got to feel better about where the receiving core, the passing game is. If Browning comes out of this, you know, a little bit better, if they. If they continue to look dysfunctional and Chase continues to bark at Zach Taylor, then they may go shopping and the Giants may be the first team they call.

[Adam]

Yeah. Someone else is going to be their quarterback. Going to be Jamis or Winston or Jamis or Wilson or Cousins. I just. I don't know. I. And I hope it is. I hope we get a change because they got to save their season. He's got to save his job. Dave's buy lows, he's got four of them. CD Lamb, who averaged over 100 yards per game in his two healthy games, and Rasheed Rice.

[Dave]

Those two are kind of obvious. I don't think we have to dig into them.

[Adam]

All right, so then A.J. brown. You know, I want to believe in this. He's got eight or more targets in three straight games, and he's only turned one of those games into anything. And. But they are. They are. They have the fewest pass attempts in football. Again, is that going to change? I don't know. The only game that he's been good and the only game that Devonte Smith really has been good is the one game where they were chasing points. And they're obviously an amazing team. So what are you thinking about? A.J. brown?

[Dave]

It's the exact same thing as Jamar Chase. You don't want to overpay for A.J. brown, but I can't help but think that eventually The Eagles are going to let Jalen hurts throw it a little bit more. It's been an inefficient start rushing wise for Saquon Barkley and the offensive line. Lane Johnson's now banged up. I don't think that that's good for anything in Philadelphia, whether it's rushing or passing. But we did see this Eagles team throw well two weeks ago without Lane Johnson on the field. So I think that they can operate just fine passing down the way. And we know that A.J. brown wants the ball and he's been commanding good target volume. He's usually been very efficient, even on seven or eight targets per game. I think people who are frustrated with AJ Brown in their fantasy leagues are easy marks to go and get early.

[Adam]

Game of the week. Yeah, you just decided. And the Broncos gotta be a good one in Philly. And it's the game of the week.

[Dave]

Hey, now, let me add one last thing, okay. You might want to wait a week to acquire A.J. brown, like after everything I said, because this is Denver and they do have good corners and Patrick Surtan is starting to play better than he did earlier in the year.

[Heath]

I just hate their offense.

[Dave]

I get it. But I love the talent of their players and I think that they're. They're gonna have to start throwing a little more.

[Heath]

Jaylen Herz has the. The second best off target throw rate I know. And he's averaging a career worst 6 yards per attempt, career low intended air yards per attempt, career low yak per completion. Like they're just. The design's awful.

[Adam]

Yeah, it might be. Yeah, it's. It's frustrating. I. I've kind of. He's going to sink some of my teams. AJ Brown, but if he keeps getting eight to ten targets, I don't think he will. You don't think he'll sink my teams? You don't think he'll get.

[Dave]

I don't think he'll take your. I think other reasons will sink your teams.

[Adam]

I mean, look for people of A.J.

[Dave]

Brown, I think they ride it out.

[Adam]

Obviously, football is unpredictable. So I had a thought. You know, my pod podcast league, I lost James Connor and Tyree Kill consecutive weeks and hanging on by a thread there. You know, we don't know what's going to happen. Maybe you just take these leaps of faith and just. You try to get Brian Thomas Jr you try to get AJ Brown, you try to get Lad McConkey, you try to get all Derrick Henry, all these players who. Maybe we have good reasons to doubt them, but, but also you know, they're so established and they're so good. I mean, McConkey isn't. But, you know, maybe you just take. Or neither is Thomas, I guess. But you know what I'm trying to say. Maybe you just go for it. If you're looking at your teams like, I can't win with this lineup anymore.

[Jamie]

You know, Let me ask you this question, because you have a lot of. And kudos to you. Of Quentin Johnston. Are you turning Quentin Johnson at this point into any of those guys?

[Adam]

I would. Okay. Henry. I actually offered him for Derek Henry, and I got rejected. As you should. I would not trade him for McConkey. I don't think that makes sense.

[Dave]

No.

[Adam]

And I don't think I'd trade him for Brian Thomas Jr. No.

[Dave]

Trade him for AJ Brown, Jamar Chase or AJ Brown.

[Adam]

Chase for sure. AJ Brown. I don't know. I think. No. You just have so many more pass attempts for this and.

[Jamie]

And this. I'm not criticizing you, but, like, that's the type of player that you're supposed to turn into those guys, right? The. The guys that come out of nowhere that you drafted with minimal capital and may have staying power. I mean, Quentin Johnson was awesome. May have staying power, but if Makaki starts to get going, Hampton continues to do this. Like, there are a lot of ways that this could fall apart for Quentin Johnson and A.J. brown could still be, like you said, you know, take the leap of faith, can become A.J. brown. Can Derek Henry turn things around? You know, all those things that you just. All the players you just listed. So, like, that's the perfect example of what you're trying to accomplish in getting these stars. So, again, and it's not just Quentin Johnson. It's. It's Abuka, it's Pickens. It's, you know, anybody that. That you could see potentially falling apart because other things coming back or happening to those players, like, you know, Abuka with Evans and Godwin and. And obviously Pickens with CD Lamp. So, like, if you're not going to do it with that type of player, then you're probably not gonna risk it for other players as well, because you have to give something in return. It's easy for us to say, hey, go trade for Jamar Chase and A.J.

[Adam]

Brown.

[Jamie]

You got to give something, you know, and. And you're saying, like, in your podcast, like, you're hanging by a thread. Well, you don't have a lot of, obviously, assets to give if you're not going to give your best asset to acquire somebody that Maybe long term is better.

[Adam]

No. Right. So I think that's where you draw the difference. Obviously, I could be wrong about this, but I see Jamar Chase as a. As a better asset than A.J. brown and Brian Thomas Jr. At this point. So I would try to turn Quentin Johnson into Jamar Chase, but I wouldn't do it for the other guys because I, you know, I need Quentin Johnston.

[Jamie]

Let me ask you a question, and I know the, the. The other side of it is a zero, but do you have any regret after one week of trading CD Lamb for Brian Thomas Jr. Should have trade.

[Heath]

Him for Quentin Johnson.

[Adam]

And I would trade Quentin Johnson for CD Lamb.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Adam]

You know, if I could do it again.

[Dave]

Yeah. Everybody would.

[Adam]

Yeah. Because we're a week closer to Lamb returning. He has been put on ir. I'm trying. I'm looking at the most traded list. Like, who would I trade for Jamar chase or for A.J. who would I trade for? A.J. brown? Because Chase, I think people will be easier to buy into. Would I trade. Would you trade Zay Flowers for AJ Brown?

[Jamie]

In a minute, yes.

[Dave]

Well, what do you mean? Meaning we're getting A.J.

[Adam]

Brown? Yes.

[Dave]

Yes.

[Adam]

Am I crazy to think Cooper Rush is actually going to be good for him?

[Dave]

I think you change the offense and just shorten routes a lot more. So I think volume will still be there for Zay Flowers. I don't know how many breakaway plays they'll have.

[Adam]

Would you trade ken Walker for A.J. brown?

[Dave]

Yes.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Heath]

Yeah, I think Ken Walker's probably a sell high, too, if you can.

[Adam]

We haven't gotten any sell highs, so let's get to that. Dave, Derrick Henry was the last guy on your buy low list.

[Dave]

I. I think the Ravens also try and go back to him a little bit more. They've gotten away from him for obvious reasons last two games, but I feel like they got away from him sooner than they needed to in their games. He's got to be the catalyst of their offense. Now, their offensive line, yeah, they're missing their left tackle, but the rest of that line, I think, is still in decent enough shape. And so they can try and slow down games. Try not to have Cooper rush throw it 35 times and lean into Derrick Henry as the. The genesis of their offense or whatever fancy term you want to use. And so people are frustrated with Derek Henry. I've got him on a team in a league that I'm two and two in. There's no way I'm giving him up for Quentin Johnston at this point.

[Adam]

I'd rather ride it out with Derrick.

[Jamie]

Henry, I would almost put him on a sell high list more so than a buy low list because I think his name still carries weight. And so if you can turn him into A.J. brown or Jamar Chase or one of those guys.

[Adam]

Oh, you trade Henry for A.J.

[Heath]

Brown.

[Jamie]

If I need a receiver help. So I lost neighbors or I, I, Derek Henry might be toast at this point. Like whoa. The way the offense is operating and the way that the games are going to go for them. Like if Lamar Jackson's out for three weeks. So let's just say it's two weeks by and another week like that could be awful for him.

[Adam]

There's still a whole half a season left after that. And you're, I think you're probably underestimating him because he still has, which you've seen pretty much every game, breakaway run potential. But he has three straight games of 12 or fewer carries. I feel like they're going to fix that.

[Jamie]

That's. That's the problem.

[Adam]

But what's the problem? You know, the game.

[Jamie]

So the Texans game clearly is going to be not a game where the Texans blow them out.

[Adam]

Right.

[Jamie]

Unless you know, they just take advantage of that paper defense that's facing them. But hard to expect that with that offense. But it just doesn't feel like they're going to have a lot of favorable game scripts. And we've seen this from Derrick Henry, end of his Titans tenure, few games last year and certainly now this year, like when they are behind. He is essentially irrelevant now.

[Adam]

Well, last week's game relevant.

[Jamie]

He wasn't terrible because he had the one run.

[Adam]

I mean, well, he was, he was pretty bad. I mean only had.

[Jamie]

I'm sorry. Two weeks ago. Two weeks ago?

[Adam]

Yeah, two weeks ago. No, even then he scored 10. He scored 10.7 or fewer PPR fantasy points with a touchdown. That. That week. Two weeks ago. In three straight games he's been below 11 PPR fantasy points. So I get it. Last year, six losses, Derrick Henry averaged 13 and a half PPR fantasy points per game. Not good. He averaged 15.

[Jamie]

Still get a king's ransom for him, right?

[Dave]

I don't disagree about the name value or what you can get in return for him. I would want more than just A.J. brown in exchange.

[Adam]

All right, I'm going to do real quick. Buy low or. Heck no. Ryan Thomas Jr.

[Dave]

How low are we buying?

[Adam]

Geez, I don't even know. A Buka.

[Dave]

Oh my gosh. I'd rather have a buka. What?

[Adam]

Jordan May. I don't have GTJE just throwing out names. Jordan Mason.

[Jamie]

I would trade Jordan Mason to get Brian Thomas.

[Dave]

I think I'd rather have Mason.

[Adam]

Woody Marks.

[Dave]

There you go.

[Adam]

Brian Thomas Jr. Bilo or Heck no. And I, I just my personal opinion, watching his routes, I think he looks much, much better than he did two weeks ago. Brock Bowers is who I'm saying. I think looked much better. Had a 30 target per route run rate. 30 target share in week four. Brock Bowers by lower. Heck no.

[Dave]

If you can.

[Adam]

Heath is muted. I wasn't ignoring.

[Heath]

I can't, I can't buy low on Brock Bowers when he's already on all my teams.

[Adam]

Right.

[Dave]

But if you, if you were to get an offer of Quentin Johnston for Brock Bowers, how quickly are you hitting reject?

[Heath]

I'd probably just leave it sitting there to punish them for sending me such.

[Adam]

A terrible of that. Okay.

[Jamie]

I will say though, the only concern I have with Bowers and he's definitely buy low can if you can get him cheap enough. But did what we see last week, forget about the interceptions. Tell the Raiders how they're going to operate moving forward. 21 past attempts for Dino Smith and Ashton Genti finally look like the guy that they drafted and now they're down their left tackle.

[Adam]

If they play the Bears every week. Yeah, I mean, I was gonna. No, I mean, I, I.

[Jamie]

Well, you, you say they play the Bears every week, but they held the Bears offense in check, which the previous two teams had not been able to do.

[Dave]

I mean, to be fair, one of them was Dallas.

[Adam]

Right. Okay. So I think, I think we're encouraged by Brock Bowers.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Adam]

Compared to where we were a couple.

[Dave]

Weeks ago, health wise, yes. But to Jamie's point, the Raiders have Indy, then Tennessee and then Kansas City. Of those three games, which ones do you see a game script where Gino's gonna have to throw the ball 30 plus times? Indian.

[Heath]

Kansas City.

[Dave]

Most definitely Kansas City. I think Indy maybe. I think the better that Ashton Genti does and this is why I didn't want to take Brock Bowers in early round two. The Ashton Genti does, the more opportunities he's going to get, the fewer passes that Geno Smith is going to try. It also would help if, you know, would stop throwing interceptions, please.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Does he get benched?

[Dave]

I think if he keeps throwing interceptions, he does get benched.

[Jamie]

But that's obviously those, those two picks that he threw were.

[Dave]

Oh, my God.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

Yes. Yeah.

[Dave]

Now Pete Carol's saying no, not right now, but if he keeps making, you.

[Heath]

Know.

[Dave]

Low bottom feeder QB mistakes like that, then you're going to see Kenny.

[Jamie]

Pickett play and now Paul Miller's out. I mean, look, it's could be trouble for.

[Adam]

Okay, so are we not buying low on Brock Bowers.

[Jamie]

Because of what his potential still is, clearly. You know, but like again, if somebody is. So you're, you're taking. I'm trying to think of a tight end that's, that's like Juwan Johnson and a player to get Brock Bowers.

[Dave]

Well, how about this, Jamie? If you offered Derrick Henry to Heath for Brock Bowers, who says no?

[Jamie]

He says yeah.

[Dave]

Do you say no?

[Heath]

Yep.

[Dave]

You'd rather have Bowers than Henry. Interesting.

[Adam]

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[Heath]

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[Dave]

This with the Bucks. Ride receivers already. When Mike Evans comes back, what's that going to look like? What does that mean for a Mecca Buko who's been playing great? The the highlight reel catches are amazing and he is going to be the best wide receiver in Tampa rest of season. But I feel like you could get that quote unquote King's ransom for him and trade because people are desperate for wide receiver help right now. So if you're really good at wide receiver, assuming that a Mecca Buka is not going to get double digit targets every single week and we're assuming that Godwin and Evans, when they come back, they stay on the field, then there's definitely a downswing coming from Mecca Buka. For what it's worth, two things. One, Godwin had a high separation score from fantasy points data and number two, in the second half last week he actually looked pretty good. Like he was running. He didn't look good in the first half. I was watching him and I was going, oh, he looks like a tight end. But in the second half Godwin started to get going. He was indeed separating as the data suggests and he could end up being, I don't think 10 targets per game when Evans comes back, but six or seven. And I'm not making the joke, I'm literally suggesting he averages around six or seven targets per game. And with Evans averaging five to six, what's left for a Mecca Buka?

[Heath]

No, I, I think and listen, he's made that play every week, but he's kind of been one play away from a bad fantasy day in three of his four games for Abuka. And last week's was like holy cow, was that a, a just a wish cast throw from Baker Mayfield and it happened to go between four arms and then there was nobody to stop that back at Buka. Yeah, maybe he keeps doing that every week.

[Adam]

77 yard touchdown for a Buka last week. Travis ETN yeah, I'm just gonna keep.

[Dave]

Saying his name every time he has a big game. He's doing great. This isn't to say he stinks. This isn't to say he's about to fall off. But we know that Basil Tootin is there. We think Bashaltutin will eventually have a larger role in that offense. And we. We know the history of Travis ETN as well. So still a number two fantasy running back, but not somebody that I would say is going to finish the year top 12, unless there are a lot of injuries at the position and he's in.

[Heath]

Or Henry.

[Dave]

I'd rather have Henry.

[Heath]

I'll take ETN.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Adam]

Okay. ETN's schedule's about.

[Dave]

Is Lamar out for the year?

[Adam]

Right.

[Heath]

Has Lamar missed the first month?

[Dave]

Well, kinda, a little. I mean, we don't know how long.

[Heath]

He was the number one quarterback in fantasy, isn't he?

[Adam]

Yeah. All right. Dallas Goddard is a. Is a sell high for Heath and so is DK Metcalf.

[Heath]

So I. I'll just say it. I didn't have the guts to put them on the list, but I'll go ahead and put it on recording so everybody can play it back. If you could get the moon, I Wonder if Christian McCaffrey.

[Adam]

Oh, I knew it. I knew you were gonna say.

[Heath]

The concerns that we had before the season are no less existent. The 49ers are obviously cursed, but that's not really even what I'm saying. Their run game is terrible. Yeah, they cannot run the football. Christian McCaffrey's got what, 69 carries for 200 yards?

[Adam]

Yep.

[Heath]

It no touchdowns rushing, but he has more targets than all but five wide receivers, so it doesn't matter at all.

[Dave]

May I make you an offer?

[Heath]

Is he going to have a 30% target share in the second half of the season when George Kittle's there? And maybe they have a better number one wide receiver than Kendrick Bourne.

[Adam]

Yeah, I. I've had this. Yeah, they might run the ball better. Yeah, I've had the same thought, but again, it's King's Ransom, and for me and that podcast league team, I have McCaffrey and I need a lot of help. So I might try to turn them into two. Two startable. Two, you know, must start players who aren't really. Yeah.

[Heath]

When we say two startable. When I say two startable players, I'm not talking about two guys who are RB20 and wide receiver 20.

[Dave]

No, no.

[Heath]

Like, I'd be aiming for RB12 and wide receiver 12.

[Dave]

So let me give you an offer and this comes out to fair and full PPR on the trade chart. Saquon Barkley and Jalen Waddle.

[Jamie]

You have to take that.

[Dave]

Oh, yeah, I think you do.

[Adam]

No question. All right, you know what? I'm gonna. I'm gonna make. Try to make a trade offer right now and it's gonna involve Jalen Waddle. Okay, how about Jackson Smith?

[Heath]

Let's repeat history. You've traded me Christian McCaffrey in a pinch before.

[Adam]

Oh yeah, that's right.

[Heath]

You should make. Yeah, I've got a couple extra players. You should send me an offer in the podcast league.

[Dave]

Do you want one more trade off or do we need to move on?

[Adam]

Move on. He finish up with your buy with your cell highs.

[Heath]

So I think you could put Dallas Goddard and Dalton Kincaid in the same tight end bucket of guys that have. Dallas Goddard has three touchdowns in three games. Last year he had two and ten. The year before he had three and fourteen. The year before he had three & twelve. He's never had more than five touchdowns in a game. He's averaging four targets per game. The past offense is terrible and we all think A.J. brown's going to get better. Any starting tight end I would take over Dallas Goddard and Dalton Kincaid's pretty much the same thing. I think one thing that got lost in Dalton Kincaid's touchdown last week, which was great, is he played a season low 37 of the snaps. Jackson Hawes is playing more than him. Just been a touchdown scorer.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Okay, right in. That can carry you like if they. If one of those guys happens to do that all year, which sometimes guys do. Jared Cook did it a couple times, but I don't want to rely on that versus targets for my fantasy starter. And then who was the other real name? He had a great game. He looked like DK Metcalf on one play. I don't think He's a top 24 wide receiver. See if somebody does after that game.

[Adam]

Okay, Jamie, you've got Jordan Addison who had the 81 yard catch, whatever it was, 80 plus yard catch, and George Pickens.

[Jamie]

Pickens is obviously somebody you can still get something pretty solid for. I think at this point, depending on how long anybody thinks CD Lamb is going to be out coming off that game that he just had. We'll see how he does this week against the jets if he's going to get Sauce Gardner and you know I'm not sending him by any stretch given the teams on a buy and what he just did from a target perspective. But clearly he will not get this much attention when, when Lamb is healthy. The plus is, is that Dak Prescott is on pace for 700 plus attempts. And so there's going to be a lot of volume to go around here for, for Pickens. So that's, that's a positive. But again, this may be Somebody you can get someone significant for or some him and somebody else to get a Jamar Chase if you want to go maybe straight up for A.J. brown, I think that might happen. Brian Thomas Jr. Those type of players, if you believe in them, you could probably make that happen. In the case of Jordan Addison, not a lot of targets, big play. I'm concerned what will happen to this passing game for all these guys when McCarthy's back. Based on what McCarthy looked like and how the offense was operating. And so Addison touchdown potential last year was there touchdown potential obviously in his first game, still crowded. Receiving core and questions about the quarterback moving forward. So. Plus they have their buy still next week. So trade form now and you may not need to worry about playing him against Cleveland. Tough matchup and then not have him next week too.

[Adam]

So with Pickens when Lamb gets back. Pickens is a top blank wide receiver for you.

[Jamie]

I still think he's a top 24 receiver. I mean again, just based on what he's capable of doing. But can you turn that into a top 10 receiver?

[Adam]

Receivers sucks so bad right now. Would you rather have Waddle or Pickens?

[Dave]

Right now, Waddle makes more sense.

[Adam]

Cortland Sutton, who by the way has about a 20 target share. Not as good as we want. 27 targets for him.

[Heath]

It's a lot better than George Pickens when CD Lamb's been healthy.

[Adam]

Well, there's only been two games. That's true. It's only been two games. He had four targets at Philly. He had nine targets against the Giants. That was an overtime game though. You're right. So Pickens or. Or Sutton. Okay, Pickens or Jordan Mason May seconds.

[Heath]

I'm just probably not making that tr. I think I'm still going to be lower on Pickens once Lamb's back.

[Adam]

Pickens. Oh, I'm sorry.

[Heath]

Go ahead.

[Adam]

Pickens or Ken Walker?

[Jamie]

Pickens.

[Dave]

Walker.

[Heath]

Walker.

[Adam]

Here's a fun one. How about turning Pickens into George Kittle? Would you do that?

[Dave]

Yes, I would love to do that.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

All right. And I'm real quick. Sell high or no thanks guy. Justin Jefferson, who has A career low 23.3 target per out run rate.

[Jamie]

I think it's similar to McCaffrey. Like if you get a King's Ransom form, you should take it.

[Adam]

Ashton Genti, who's had one good game and it was against the Chicago Bears.

[Heath]

No thanks, guy.

[Adam]

Keep them.

[Dave]

If you can get a ton, then do it. Otherwise don't.

[Heath]

I just think.

[Dave]

I mean, it's the same answer for everybody.

[Heath]

I think it's bad process and it might work out like Genti might suck the rest of the year. But I think it's bad process when we have a guy who we thought was a generational talent at running back who struggled for two weeks and then had it showed the talent we thought he had to trade him off of.

[Adam]

That fair Jordan Love coming off the Dallas bump.

[Dave]

And going into a bye week.

[Adam]

So he's going to a bi week but then he has Cincinnati, Arizona, Pittsburgh, Carolina. I could see them not having to throw a lot in the next month and that's kind of their mo.

[Dave]

I'm not giving up much of anything. Like I don't even in full ppr. I don't know if I would even give up Godwin straight up for Dr.

[Heath]

I don't think you can sell high on a low end QB one right on his bye week.

[Adam]

Okay. All right, let's redraft round one. Oh, Jamie just got, you know, I just got a trade off for my inbox, but it's a team that I'm not actually on. It's Jamie's team. I'm just in the league. It's the draft. A thon you just. I'm not going to say who sent it, but to me, you just got one of the worst trade offers. This is so bad. Tony Pollard and Jamar Chase for your cd Lamb and Josh Jacobs.

[Jamie]

That's pretty bad.

[Adam]

That's a really bad trade. Wow. I will go in and reject it for you. Okay. Do you. What do you guys want? Do you want to snake drafted here? You want to give Me your top 12? How do you want to handle this?

[Jamie]

I. I think we snake draft it, right?

[Adam]

Let's snake draft it. You want me to be on it? You guys can do it. I don't mind. All right, Jamie, let's go. Jamie Heath.

[Jamie]

Dave.

[Adam]

101.

[Jamie]

I'll take Puka. Nakua 101, PBR.

[Adam]

Oh, okay. I see. I changed your mind because two days ago you were Bijan and I said Puka. Yes. Puka is 101. Puka is averaging 27.4 points per game with one touchdown so far. Puka's 101. Heath, you're up.

[Heath]

Yeah, I don't know that we should bet on Puka scoring a lot more touchdowns because he's got Devonte Adams on his team and he hasn't really scored a lot of touchdowns. But I also would have Puka at 101. I'll take Bajan Robinson at 2.

[Adam]

Dave, you're on the clock for two picks.

[Dave]

Christian McCaffrey, James Cook.

[Adam]

Whoa. James Cook. Already as many 19 carry games this year as he had all of last year. His targets have basically doubled per game, but that is rich. James Cook over Jameer Gibbs over A Chan. What? Say that's too high.

[Dave]

You can say it's too high. Where does he rank compared to them in points per game so far?

[Adam]

Well, I can't just draft based on what they've done.

[Dave]

Of course not, but the dude's been amazing. Everything that we were worried about with regression has spit back in our faces. I think it continues. I think.

[Heath]

Well, I think more important than the regression part because I would still bet on him not scoring at the same rate rest of the season is just that he's getting the work that he deserves, hopefully. I think it seems like the Bills may have learned their lesson from the end of last year and they're going to play their best players.

[Dave]

And by the way, the running back with the most points per game on average in PPR still hasn't been picked yet. Oh, yes.

[Adam]

Oh, yeah. McCaffrey, right? You took him. Heath, you're up.

[Jamie]

Fifth pick.

[Heath]

This was my third pick, so I'm gonna take him on Ross St. Brown.

[Adam]

Wow. All right. You've come around.

[Heath]

Well, it's. I. A couple guys had to lose, and it's not Amanra Saint Brown or Jameer Gibbs. It's everyone else.

[Adam]

So Puka, Bijan, McCaffrey, Cook, St. Brown. Jamie, you're on the clock for two.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I will take Devon HN with the hopeful bump that he could get without Tyree Kill there. And then I will say Jameer Gibbs as well. So those two running backs, I think, have the upside to. To continue to perform I think the way that they have and even better.

[Adam]

Okay, so we go. Puka, Bijan, McCaffrey, James Cook, St. Brown, Devon H. And Jameer Gibbs. Heath, you're up.

[Heath]

So that's my six of my top seven are gone. I'll take my number seven. Who is Jackson, Smith and Jigba.

[Adam]

Okay. And I had him 11th just because I'm a little concerned about the target volume. They're so run heavy. Dave, you're up with the but. 1, 2, 3, 4. A ninth pick and 10th pick.

[Dave]

So Christian McCaffrey hasn't been taken, right?

[Jamie]

No.

[Adam]

Give me.

[Dave]

Give me Jonathan. I've got two picks.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Yes.

[Dave]

I'm sticking with running backs Jonathan Taylor and Omarion Hampton.

[Adam]

Oh, is we got two picks left. Is Saquon gonna make it? Heath?

[Heath]

Saquon Was not in my top 12. Omari Hampton wasn't either, but I like that. I guess I'm the wide receiver guy. I will take Justin Jefferson and Jamie pick 12.

[Jamie]

I'll take C. Lamb. I think when he comes back, he's still going to be that guy. So.

[Heath]

Did Jonathan Taylor get left out?

[Adam]

Oh, no, no. Dave took him. Yeah.

[Dave]

Come on, Heath. Pay attention to the draft, man.

[Adam]

I'll recap. Puka, Bijan, Robinson, McCaffrey, James Cook, Heath and Jamie. Where would you guys have James Cook? That was Davis Picket four.

[Jamie]

I would have had him behind Achan and behind Gibbs. Gibbs.

[Heath]

I've got him at 10.

[Adam]

I had him at 12, but wow. Yeah, I had. I mean, I had Bar. I still have Barkley seven. He's getting.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Adam]

He's getting four targets per game. You know, he's averaging 3.1 yards per carry. I think Barkley just. They'll spike in efficiency. He'll be fine.

[Jamie]

So you'd rather have Barkley than Cook? Yeah. Wow.

[Dave]

I don't know what to say.

[Adam]

I don't know. You don't know what to say? One guy ran for 2,000 yards last year. Yeah.

[Dave]

Now he'll be lucky if he runs for like what's, what's his pace right now?

[Adam]

It's low. He's played four games. Okay. You know.

[Dave]

And what's James Cook's pace right now?

[Adam]

Again, I can't make every decision based on what's happened in the first four weeks. I'm not saying you're crazy.

[Dave]

We've got four weeks of information and watching football that we can use to help determine how we like these guys rest of season. I think it's a no brainer that James Cook is a superstar the rest of the season. And I think it's a no brainer that Saquon's still good, but maybe not as good as where we. Where ADP was.

[Adam]

Well, okay, completely agree. I'm not taking him second or third overall, but I am taking ahead of James Cook. But that's fine. I mean, I get it. They're both. The good thing is they're both getting targets. I think I actually, I don't know who I rely on that with more. I don't know. Okay, sorry. So we had Puka, Bijan, McCaffrey, Cook, Amanra, St. Brown, Achan, Gibbs, Jackson, Smith and Jigba. Jonathan Taylor, Omari and Hampton. I think has 11 catches in two games since the Najee Harris injury. And Justin Jefferson and CD Lamb. Let's see who didn't make the only guy who I had in the top 12 that didn't make the cut was Barkley. Anybody for you that didn't make this group top 12 that you had Barkley?

[Heath]

I didn't know at 12.

[Adam]

Nico.

[Jamie]

Okay, Pacheco. There we go.

[Heath]

You know, Adam's been feeling it this week with all of his like he's got those great teams with Javante Williams and Quentin Johnston and Darren Waller on him and he's right. We need to say Pacheco a little more often.

[Adam]

You bring me back down to earth. You actually do all the bragging for me. I appreciate that. I love. All right, well, you know what? There's. There's a game coming up on Thursday night. Dave. Richard. Nah. San Francisco is at the Rams couple of good defenses so far. Both defenses are top eight in yards per play. However, Niners. Niners have played only one game without Bosa so we don't exactly know how good they'll be. Jamie, what's your, your feel for this game? Is it going to be a good one for fantasy? Gonna be a mediocre bad one. What do you think?

[Jamie]

It could be awful if It's Mac Jones, DeMarcus Robinson and Kendrick Bourne as the quarterback and top receivers for San Francisco. So I mean McCaffrey better be ready to do a lot of work because it's going to be a lot of attention for him. Understandably so I mean it'll be that way anyway. But it's. It's just feels like it could be an absolute disaster for San Francisco if. If that's they're talking about. And Mac Jones is not 100 either, you know, so he's dealing with something, a knee injury.

[Adam]

So I think he's actually off the injury report.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but I mean, okay, he's practicing. I don't know. I don't know how healthy is, put it that way. You know who to start for the Rams. The real question I think is can Stafford have a good game? And he's now multiple touchdown passes in three straight games. Two of those games he's at 298 passing yards or more. He's coming off a.375. Three game. You mentioned it. I don't know what San Francisco's defense is going to look like because we saw one game against the Jaguars who don't throw the ball as much as potentially the Rams might in this matchup and clearly Puka and. And Devonte Adams should be able to have their way with the secondary depending on how much staffer throws. So I Think Stafford's a low end starter. The only real name of of prominence that I would start him over though is probably bonix. You know, it's just. It's one of those weeks where there's a lot of good quarterbacks and with the four teams on a buy. So he's not like any in my opinion like a slam dunk must start quarterback. But there is a chance for him to I think be in that 22 to 24 point range. So Kyron should do well after what ETN just did. This defense like San Francisco defense right now is a struggle. So I think it's, you know, start the Rams usually start stafford borderline starter. McCaffrey's the only one I would trust. If we get Pierce all in Jennings playing then you got to be a little concerned like how healthy they are. So at best would be low end number two receivers.

[Adam]

So let's. Yeah, go ahead. It's.

[Heath]

This is like almost impossible to talk about the 49ers right now because Purdy, Pierce, all Jennings had not practiced all week. Any one of the three or all three could play. They're not been ruled out also. And so like if all three of those guys play, you feel a lot different about the 49ers than you do if none of them do.

[Adam]

Absolutely. So let's come back to the Niners and stick with the Rams. Would you start Matthew Stafford? And the Niners have been fourth best in yards per per attempt allowed, fifth best in fantasy points allowed to quarterbacks. But again, no. Bosa, would you start Stafford or Dak Prescott at the Jets?

[Heath]

Dak, Dak, I've got Stafford right now. I will also lower the Rams pass rate if the 49ers don't have three fourths of their good offensive fantasy players.

[Adam]

Okay, Stafford versus I think the answer was clear for Jamie. But all of the streaming guys like TUA at Carolina or Bryce Young in that matchup or Dart versus Rattler or any other or Darnold.

[Dave]

I'll take the streamers.

[Adam]

You'll take all this? You're not high on all of them?

[Dave]

No. Eight career games against the 49ers. He's had 20 plus fantasy points twice. Only once has he had more than 27 pass attempts and 20 plus fantasy points. It's a great matchup. It's also one where I think we'll see the Rams run the ball a lot. And so I, I think that Puka and Devonte will get their catches.

[Adam]

I.

[Dave]

And maybe, maybe I'm a little too low because I I don't disagree with Jamie saying that Stafford's a high end number two qb, but I think he's got the same type of upside as a lot of these other streaming quarterbacks which is living around the 18 to 21 point range.

[Adam]

Okay, so he's the highest. Jamie's in the middle. Dave's the lowest on Matthew Stafford. Kyron Williams is RB16 overall. Right now he's not getting as many carries. He's on pace for 289 carries. Last year he was on pace for 336 carries. But the yards per carry is up to 4.5 which is good. But the touchdowns are down. So do people. Should people still treat him as a must start even though he's RB16 so far?

[Dave]

Kyron they should this week.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Okay. Are there any like Javante Williams or Kyron Williams? Who would you go with Javante against.

[Heath]

The jets and Javante's top five this week.

[Dave]

So I currently have Kyron higher.

[Adam]

Okay. Scatter Boo at the Saints or Kyron.

[Dave]

I don't know if I can keep it that way but I currently have Kyren higher. Kyron gotta boo for sure.

[Heath]

I'll probably move Kyron over. Scatter Boo. I was shocked that the Giants are underdogs to the Saints.

[Adam]

Oh, we're winning. We're gonna win. It's gonna be great. We're not going to trade for Tyree Kill anymore. That was my plan. Start both wide receivers at this point. Where do you have Devonte Adams?

[Jamie]

Top 15.

[Heath]

Start him.

[Adam]

Okay. Hasn't been. Hasn't been a great matchup. So far they've held Marvin Harrison Jr. Olave and Brian Thomas Jr. To fewer than 12 points. But Marvin Harrison Jr. Could have had a massive game. He had two big drops. Sit the Rams tight ends. Let's go to the 49ers. If Brock Purdy plays, he would be.

[Jamie]

What, behind the Streamers?

[Dave]

Who else is playing besides Brock?

[Heath]

Right.

[Adam]

Okay. Yeah. So I think it's easy to sit Purdy if he doesn't have his his full compliment. But let's say the best case scenario is they all play. I really don't think that's going to happen. But Purdy, Pearsall Jennings all play. Then what?

[Heath]

I'm starting Brock Birdie.

[Dave]

I like Purdy better than Stafford for sure.

[Jamie]

I start Stafford over Purdy. I'd start two over Purdy. He's clearly dealing with something and his receivers are dealing with something. Like how can you expect them to finish the game?

[Adam]

Yeah. And even if he does finish he did.

[Dave]

He finished last week's game.

[Adam]

He finished last week's game. But he's worse now than he was. But he also didn't. I think he was asked about whether or not the toe altered his mechanics because he was not good. He was missing high a lot and he didn't. He didn't say yes, but he also didn't say no. He's like, maybe. I think he said maybe I have to look at it or something. So he's play. He just wasn't good last week.

[Heath]

He wasn't Brock Purdy, but his not good. Like the interceptions have been bad, but he's still averaging eight yards per attempt. And now he's throwing 35. He was 8.1 last week.

[Adam]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Heath]

And now he's throwing 35 plus times a game because they can't run the ball efficiently. So he's thrown. He's played two games. He's thrown for 277 yards and 309 yards and he has two touchdowns in both.

[Adam]

Their ninth in pass rate. That is shocking for the. For the 49ers, and it's great.

[Heath]

They can't run.

[Adam]

All right, so start. McCaffrey, if Pearsall and Jennings play, do you like them?

[Jamie]

No.

[Heath]

If one of them plays, they'll probably be close to 24 for me. If both of them play, they'll both probably be close to 30 for me.

[Dave]

Yeah, they'll be 25 to 36 for me.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

I mean, look, there's four teams on.

[Heath]

A buy, so it's a terrible week for wide receiver.

[Adam]

It's a terrible year for a wide receiver.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Horrible. And then Kendrick Bourne or DeMarcus Robinson. Who do you prefer?

[Jamie]

No, I think Robinson's the dart throw, if you want to really take a chance on someone. But yes, the answer is no.

[Dave]

Jake Tongas. Desperation, thy name is tongus.

[Adam]

Who was the. That wide receiver on the 49ers? His last name is James. He had Richie James.

[Heath]

Richie James.

[Adam]

Remember his Thursday. Was it him? He had that Thursday night game. Let me see. Let me get his game log here. Oh, good.

[Dave]

Stop the show for this.

[Adam]

He had nine catches for 184 yards on 13 targets. I think that was a Thursday night game for the. For the 49ers, but. Okay. We're not really not expecting the Richie James game. And what about Jake tongas? He's had five targets in two of the last three games. I don't know. He scored 7.1 or more points in three or four games.

[Dave]

It's true touchdown or bus tight end. But if those other guys are out, maybe he sees six or seven targets.

[Adam]

And how do we feel about the DSTs?

[Jamie]

RAMs? RAMs are a must start.

[Adam]

What if they're all healthy? What if Purdy and Pierce, all Jennings play Rams? Because it's a pretty good stream. It's a pretty good waiver wire DST week. I mean, you've got the Cardinals, you've got the, you've got the Chiefs, you've got the Giants. Got teams that could be good this week.

[Jamie]

Yeah, if I'm trusting the Giants and the Rams are there, I'm trusting the Rams.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

What about the Cardinals?

[Jamie]

Cardinals number one for me.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Heath]

I would start the Cardinals and the Chiefs over the Rams.

[Adam]

Okay. All right, folks, most important thing that you should do today is stay, stay up to date on the Bucky Irving situation because, you know, maybe just go pick up Sean Tucker now while it's not too late and have a one also have a wonderful day and have fun, be merry and we'll talk to you tomorrow with starter sit for the AFC home games.

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