Sorting Out WRs 10-18: Highest Floors, Most Upside, Biggest Risks (06/04 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today – Episode: Sorting Out WRs 10-18: Highest Floors, Most Upside, Biggest Risks (06/04 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Release Date: June 4, 2025
Hosts: Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, Heath Cummings, and Crew

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Introduction to Wide Receivers 10-18

The episode kicks off with host Adam Aizer expressing frustration with the current state of fantasy football, stating at [01:19] "I hate fantasy football right now. It's so stressful." The primary focus is on evaluating wide receivers ranked 10 through 18 in consensus PPR (Points Per Reception) rankings. The group acknowledges a clear top nine and delves into the next tier, discussing players like Drake London, T. Higgins, Lad McConkey, J.S.N Hill, Devonte Adams, Terry McLaurin, Rasheed Rice, and DJ Moore.

Performance Analysis Over the Last Four Years

Adam Aizer reviews the performance of these receivers over the past four years, highlighting inconsistencies and identifying potential busts. He notes, "[05:06]...we should expect half of them to be busts based on what I've seen over the last four years." Specific players like Chris Olave, Deebo Samuel, Brandon Aiyuk, Michael Pittman, and Cooper Kupp are discussed, with varying degrees of success and failure in their respective drafts.

Assessing Bust-Proof Receivers

The conversation shifts to identifying receivers who are less likely to disappoint. Dave Richard mentions, "[07:24]...London and McConkey," as potentially bust-proof options. However, Dan raises concerns about T. Higgins, pointing out his fluctuating fantasy points per game: "[08:46]...Higgins was at 18.6 points per game last year but struggled in 2023 with just 12.8." The team debates the reliability of these players, considering factors like quarterback performance and injury history.

News and Updates

The panel briefly touches on current NFL news affecting fantasy rankings:

• C.J. Stroud's Shoulder Injury: Concerns about his health and potential impact on performance.
• Trade Talks for John Smith and Donald Parham: Speculations based on reports from Adam Schefter.
• Seattle Seahawks' Quarterback Situation: Mike McDonald confirms Sam Darnold as the starting quarterback, raising questions about offensive consistency.

Deep Dive into WRs 13-15

The discussion moves to receivers ranked 13 through 15, including Jackson Smith, Jigba, Tyreek Hill, and Devonte Adams. Dave Richard expresses a preference for JSN Hill and Devonte Adams due to their consistent targeting and role in their respective offenses. Adam Aizer questions the high ranking of Tyreek Hill, especially compared to Devonte Adams, highlighting risks associated with Hill's age and injury history: "[36:37]...Devonte Adams is better in four of the last five seasons between him and Tyreek Hill."

Trade Negotiations and Draft Strategies

A lively segment ensues as the hosts discuss potential trade offers and draft strategies. Adam Aizer contemplates trading for Cam Ward with the third overall pick but faces resistance from Dan, who suggests alternative trade proposals: "[52:43]...Dan: So, yeah, I've got...the trade offer is sitting in your inbox." The negotiation showcases the complexity of building a competitive fantasy team, balancing immediate needs with long-term potential.

Listener Mailbag: Draft Rankings and Player Evaluations

Listener Ben poses a question at [55:56], challenging the panel's ranking of Drake London compared to higher-ranked quarterbacks like CJ Stroud. The team addresses his concerns, debating London's target volume and explosive play potential. Dan emphasizes the importance of confirming player health before making high-risk drafts: "[56:43]...Dan: I mean, I would definitely like him a little more in four because he gets punished for the lack of projected passing touchdowns in six."

Personal Anecdote: Adam's Tennis Match

In a lighter moment, Adam Aizer shares a personal story about a closely contested tennis match, highlighting the unpredictability and strategy parallels with fantasy football: "[58:00]...I didn't know that. Whoops."

Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

The episode concludes with the hosts reinforcing their optimism for certain receivers while cautioning against overvaluing high-risk players. Dave Richard summarizes the group's stance: "[30:24]...Yes, I think Higgins and London have the highest floor in this group." The team encourages listeners to stay informed and adaptable throughout the fantasy football season.

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Notable Quotes:

• Adam Aizer [01:19]: "I hate fantasy football right now. It's so stressful."
• Dave Richard [03:29]: "Higgins even in the tier above, but yes, definitely Higgins."
• Dan [07:24]: "If he scores 15 fantasy points per game, you're going to like him in this range."
• Adam Aizer [08:46]: "He was a bust."
• Thomas [09:19]: "The difference is that T. Higgins did that when Jamar Chase was on the field."
• Dan [38:30]: "Adams was much better last year. Adams has been better in four of the last five seasons between him and Tyreek Hill."
• Adam Aizer [55:56]: "Why are you so low on Drake? May?"

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This episode provides an in-depth analysis of mid-tier wide receivers, balancing their historical performance with future potential. The hosts offer nuanced perspectives, blending statistical insights with strategic advice to help listeners navigate their fantasy football drafts effectively.

Transcript

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[Thomas]

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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Adam]

I hate fantasy football right now. It's so stressful.

[Dave]

Oh, it's June.

[Adam]

Leave me alone. Heath and Jamie, just leave me alone.

[Dan]

You're all you are on the clock.

[Adam]

We started our dynasty draft, our bake burger dynasty rookie draft. Today or yesterday? We started yesterday. The guy with the first pick took almost 24 hours to pick because he wanted to see some trade offers. Didn't get anything he liked. Took to Ashton Genty. The guy with the second pick wanted to see what trade offers he could get. He took a little bit of time. He took Travis Hunter and now I am on the clock. We don't have to talk about this. We have wide receivers 10 through 18 to discuss today. I'm sure we'll get back to the dynasty. Thomas.

[Dan]

Could Thomas do a YouTube poll and that determines your pick since you're not sure what you want to do.

[Adam]

Maybe. But I think that we need a little bit of a setup here. Cause there's. There's a lot of things to consider. But today's topic is wide receivers 10 through 18 in our consensus rankings for PPR wide receivers 10 through 18. Remember, there's a top nine that seems pretty, pretty set. 10 through 18 are Drake, London, T. Higgins, Lad McConkey, Jackson Smith and Jigba. Tyreek Hill, Devonte Adams, Terry McLaurin. I feel like this is too many. 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17. And Rashee Rice and DJ Moore. I was right. So it's nine wide receivers. It's London, Higgins, McConkey, JSN Hill, Devonte Adams, McLaurin, Rasheed Rice, and DJ Moore. They got a mix of different profiles in this group here. Heath, how do you feel overall about these wide receivers that are going to be going anywhere from middle of round two to maybe early round four? Middle round four, maybe in some cases.

[Dan]

So while I agree with you that there's kind of a clear top nine, I view the top of this group. I don't think this is all one tier. I feel much more excited about the first two or three names that you say, especially Drake, London, Terry, or Lad McConkey, than I do about the rest of this tier.

[Adam]

Even Higgins. How do you feel about Higgins?

[Dan]

Well, yeah, Higgins is. I. I would put Higgins even in the tier above, but yes, definitely Higgins. Those three guys are on a different level for me than anybody else you said.

[Adam]

Okay, so those three guys are London, Higgins, and McConkey. Dave, same question to you. How do you feel about this group of receivers?

[Dave]

I feel good about them. Would I feel good about having two of these guys as my top two receivers on my fantasy team? Probably because it would mean that I would have a. Theoretically a stud running back in round one. Maybe I'd get really lucky and get like two stud running backs with my first two picks. I've never done that before. And then take two of these wide receivers to round out my first four picks. They don't carry the same type of appeal or upside as the elite tier wide receivers do, but they can still be productive, mostly consistent, I hope, types of fantasy options, especially in ppr.

[Adam]

Okay, Jamie, same question to you. So again, the receivers are London, Higgins, McConkey, JSN, Tyreek Hill, Devonte Adams, Terry McLaurin, Rasheed Rice, DJ Moore. How do you feel about this group?

[Thomas]

You start to see the fall off. You know, I think he is, you know, right with the. The first three guys are a little bit different than the rest of the group. And I would very much like to take a wide receiver early in round one and take two wide receivers late in round two. Late in round. Excuse me. Early. Early round two, late round one. Just because I think the running backs that will be available in the same range as these wide receivers are much better than where these wide receivers are, at least where they feel like coming in.

[Adam]

Okay. I. I try to look at the last four years of who was drafted in this range at wide receiver. Wide receivers 10 through 18. Now for this show, we're Using consent consensus rankings for this exercise, I used fantasy pros, PPR, ADP to see which wide receivers went 10 through 18 in drafts over the last four years. I say last year was pretty solid. Last year we had Devonte Adams who went as wide receiver 10. He was wide receiver 12 per game. Drake London who was wide receiver 11 and ADP and he was overall he was wide receiver 4 14th per game. We had Olave who was a bust. We had Nico who was great when he was healthy. We had Evans who was maybe on his way to being a bust or a mild bust but you know, Godwin got hurt and Evans ended up being a good pick. Debo was a bust, Ayuk was a bust. Michael Pittman was a bust. They were 15, 16 and 17 in ADP and then Cooper cup actually wasn't really a bust. If you're talking about non injury. Wide receiver 23 per game. He was horrible in the last three games. He was actually fantastic for much of the year when he played. So I just told you that we had in this range Chris Olave, Debo Samuel, Brandon iuk, Michael Pittman and Cooper Cup. And yet compared to the other three years, the preceding three years 21 through 23, this is actually pretty good. I mean I haven't, I didn't do this with running backs, but I mean wide receivers 10 through 18, I think you should expect half of them to be busts. Based on what I've seen over the last four years.

[Thomas]

I think part of the, the problem is, is that these guys are going to be like round three and round four picks whereas in previous years they were probably around four and around five picks.

[Adam]

Wide receivers 10 through 18.

[Thomas]

I don't, not the top half but I mean, you know, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18.

[Adam]

Those guys I could check, I don't know about round five, but yeah, I mean I guess we're probably seeing we're in the middle of a.

[Thomas]

Maybe not last year but you know as you start to go back that you throw the quarterbacks in the tight ends in this range, plus the running backs, we know where they're going to go.

[Dave]

I don't think there's a single name on this list that's outside of round four. In, in our early adp.

[Adam]

Is there a single name on this list that you think is bust proof?

[Dave]

Bust proof? I mean London McConkey.

[Dan]

T. Are we ruling out entry?

[Adam]

Yes. Yeah.

[Dan]

Then I would say this might be. I guess he could still decline but Adams feels pretty safe to me and I think I'm A little lower because of the age, but like, you look at what he's done every single year with different quarterbacks and different target competition, and it just doesn't seem to matter.

[Adam]

Okay, Jamie, anyone that feels bust proof to you?

[Thomas]

London and Higgins.

[Adam]

I'm just trying to do some quick math here on. On Higgins. I'm going to give you. I'm almost done. I'm going to give you his points per game. Nope, I screwed that up. His points per game. Last three years, with Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase being healthy and trying to eliminate any games that Higgins has left early with injuries, because there's actually a lot of those. So last year, Higgins was at 18.6 points per game. It was the whole season. Or all of his games this past year. Or. Sorry. So last year, 18.6, 2023, 12.8. He kind of stunk in 2023. He was a bust.

[Dan]

He.

[Adam]

In fact, he was one of the names on the list of wide receivers drafted in this range. That was a bust. Okay, now 54 plus 87 plus 119.2 divided by 17. 15.3 points per game. So over the last three years, T. Higgins, when Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow have been healthy, and he has been healthy, has averaged 15.3, 12.8 and 18.6 PPR fantasy points per game. What do you make of that? That's a huge range of outcomes for him.

[Thomas]

The 2023 season, how much was Joe Burrow actually healthy?

[Adam]

Right. So that. That's why I liked HIGGINS Going into 2024 is because I actually felt like Burrow got off to a horrible start in 2023, and Higgins suffered for that. He. Higgins really only played three games with, like, good Joe Burrow last year, and he left one of those games early, of course, where he played like half the snaps. So I. I was kind of willing to throw that away. It seems like you are as well.

[Thomas]

Yeah, not last year. 2023.

[Adam]

3. Yeah.

[Thomas]

Yeah. Was just a. Just a bad mix, I think, for almost. I mean, I know Chase was still good, but he was also not as great as he was a year ago. So, you know, Burrow, with the calf injury coming into the season, never really got right and then had, you know, when he finally got going, as you said, the. The wrist injury happened. So, yeah, I think barring injury, there's a lot to love about what T. Higgins can be, what Drake London can be. Obviously, you know, we're excited about McConkey, but again, I'll go. I think JSN is, is close to this, but some uncertainty clearly with a new quarterback. So it usually starts again, see the fall off, you know, we'll get into all these guys. So I don't want to nitpick it, but you know there's, there's a, a pretty big sliding scale. I think once you get past the guys who should be round two picks, which are the three guys that we keep, you know, mentioning.

[Dan]

And I kind of think like he basically has one year at his average over the last three years. One year 15 worse, one year 15% better. It's been a wide range. But if he scores 15 fantasy points per game, you're gonna like him in this range. If he scores 18, then you got an enormous value that was worth a borderline first round pick. And if he scores 12, then he, then he busted. But when he's just going to had a good year, a bad year and a great year the last three.

[Dave]

Let me ask you this.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Do, do you think he averages over nine targets per game again? No.

[Dan]

No.

[Dave]

Okay. And do you think he will ball out last year just does feel a little bit like an anomaly for T. Higgins. Look at his prior averages. Forget about 2023, but 2022, 2021, he was never better than 15.2. He, we, we all knew he was in the contract year. He was playing for a new deal. He scored a ton of touchdowns. What, what are the chances that he can replicate that slash, replicate nine targets per game again?

[Dan]

We're not drafting him to do that.

[Dave]

That's what worries me a little bit for T. Higgins, but that's, that's saying.

[Dan]

I'm, I'm worried the number 10 wide receiver is not going to be perform like a top five wide receiver because we're not, we're not drafting him to do what he did last year.

[Dave]

Right. But I don't want him to be at the number 18 wide receiver either. Like I want him to. If I, if, if I'm drafting him as the 10th receiver off the board, I want him to get me 16, 17.

[Adam]

Yeah. So, so I threw out that 15.3 number, which is what he averaged with burrow and chase three years ago. T. Higgins, that's kind of like wide receiver 18ish over the last few years. So if you took Higgins in the second round and only got 15.3 points per game, I do think that would be what I would call a mild bust. And there are a lot of those like you think about like Jalen Waddle and Devontae Smith and that year when Olave, remember that year, they're all getting drafted kind of early and that's kind of what they did. They were like mild busts. You know, we don't, it's not going to kill you, but you want, you want like big, I don't know, you probably want 16 points per game from anybody being drafted in the first two rounds. So. All right, let's. Let's move on. And we've got some news and notes to get to. Heath. What's coming up on FFT Dynasty this week?

[Dan]

We're gonna do a Super Flex startup mock draft, first one of June. You guys want to participate in that? I haven't sent the email out yet.

[Adam]

Sure. On the air.

[Dan]

It will be on the air. And you're welcome. I'd love to have you on the air.

[Dave]

That's.

[Dan]

It's always great when Adam Mazer comes onto the Dynasty, but I was just asking you to do the actual muck.

[Adam]

Yeah, I can do it. No problem. All right, great. So FFT Dynasty, it's in the FFT feed, but also there's the regular FFT Dynasty feed. You guys got an email yet? An email address yet?

[Dan]

We do. I just saw that. I have not memorized it yet, but I believe it is Fantasy Football Today. Dynastyaramount.com and I will clarify that right now. FFT Dynastyaramount.com that's FFT Dynasty at Paramount. It goes directly into your inbox, just like you asked.

[Adam]

Yes, you can send emails for this main show to fantasy football cbsi.com and for heath show FFT dynasty at paramount paramount.com is that what it was?

[Dan]

It was Paramount, yes.

[Adam]

Okay, great. All right, let's take a quick break here. We got news and notes for you, including an update on cj. Not really. An update on CJ Stroud's shoulder. We'll be right back on fft.

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[Adam]

News and notes. So sorry, just getting some trade offers here in the, in the big.

[Thomas]

What do you got?

[Dan]

Why don't you tell us what your trade.

[Adam]

Well actually it was the. Did I say, did I say what the offers were on the air or off the.

[Dan]

No.

[Adam]

Okay. Okay. Because one of the ones I told you off the air was withdrawn. So I thought maybe I had said it on the air and the person who, who sent it had heard that I wasn't going to take it. It was, it was Dak Prescott for the third overall pick in a super flex league. Third overall rookie pick.

[Dan]

That would be a great offer if you had a competitive team, maybe, yeah.

[Adam]

You're saying my team's not competitive?

[Dan]

I think three of your players are.

[Thomas]

I don't know what that offers.

[Adam]

It's too much to get into right now. Let's get to the news and notes. Jamie, what do you think about Demeko R. Ryan? Excuse me? Not, not commenting. He was asked if C.J. stroud had an off season procedure on his shoulder because right there they're saying Stroud has, has just general soreness and he's fine. And Ryan's wouldn't even answer the question.

[Thomas]

You don't love that. You know, you'd like the coach to obviously be transparent and either say that there was a procedure or you know, try and at least give some coach speak and say that he's fine or whatever. But any ambiguity, ambiguity in regards to injuries is not necessarily the greatest thing. So hopefully he's fine. Hopefully everything's okay. You know, it's funny because he, he got off to a good start to a certain degree. Three of his first six games when everybody was healthy were over 22 fantasy points. He only had one game after that. After those first six over 20 fantasy points, that's when the playoffs, week eight is when Stefan Diggs got hurt. Week six I believe is the game where Nico Collins suffered the concussion or got hurt, whatever and missed four games. That was maybe more than concussion but missed four games and then we know tanked out at the end of the season. So given what the receiving core could be for the Texans with Christian Kirk and you know, the two rookies, maybe there's a chance for him to bounce back and play at that level again that we saw in 2023. He's not a bad late round flyer, but clearly he's got to be healthy and not dealing with any shoulder injury coming into camp.

[Adam]

Okay. John Smith so the Steelers and the Dolphins, there was a report that they were not going to make the trade and then all of a sudden they are re engaging in trade talk for John Smith. This is according to Adam Schefter. Also tight end Donald Parham for the Steelers tours Achilles and is likely out for the season. So we'll keep an eye on this situation. Obviously. Seattle head coach Mike McDonald reiterated that Sam Darnold is the starting quarterback. I guess Darnold's not really having a great camp, but McDonald basically said it's crazy. He's he's the starting quarterback. Trey McBride said that Arizona's offense is adding some wrinkles, adding more motion, becoming more complex. The cardinals were 30th in motion rate last year ahead of only Denver and Cleveland. Baltimore offensive coordinator Todd Monken said the Ravens need to get Zay Flowers. The Baltimore does anybody have Zay Flowers in their top 24?

[Dave]

No, I do not.

[Adam]

No, they do need to get him the ball more. That'd be nice. And what do you guys think of Sean Payton saying that Audric estimate didn't get enough touches last season? Estimate he had only four carries on either third and one or fourth and one and he converted all of them. So he maybe that's a role for him. But anybody concerned about Estimate really hurting RJ Harvey's fantasy value?

[Thomas]

Not really hurting it. I mean touchdown potential maybe, you know, just using a maybe more bigger physical back in the, you know, red zone goal line areas. That quote was last week, I believe, or earlier this week. I'm not sure exactly what it was. I saw it with the the media session for Denver and he he basically said that Estimates rookie season was incomplete because he didn't get enough work. And he said that will change. So who knows, we'll see how much of opportunity he gets. But all the reports have been, you know, raving about Harvey as well and his workload. So I wouldn't necessarily worry about Harvey. If you're thinking estimate is going to be a problem.

[Dan]

I One of my favorite Broncos related stats is that their running backs have a combined 18 rushing touchdowns in the last three seasons. For Sean Payton, I think one of those years was New Orleans two. Two. He's been in Denver two. Right. Two in Denver, one in New Orleans. His last three seasons as a coach, they have 18 running back rushing. Touchdown.

[Adam]

Yikes. However, what if you threw Taysom hill in there.

[Dave]

50 rushing?

[Dan]

Yeah, they do have 15 QB rushing touchdowns, but Nick's had. Nick's had four last year. So that may just be a feature, not a bug.

[Adam]

Okay, so one of my trade offers here is Isaiah Pacheco. And the 13th overall pick for the third overall pick.

[Dan]

Decline quickly.

[Adam]

Yeah, it's a decline.

[Dave]

The bad offer guy.

[Adam]

I am. Look, the idea of having Cam Ward on, on my team would be pretty fun. Yeah, you know, it would be fun, but I just don't think he's the best player available right now, even in a super flex league.

[Thomas]

So your choice, your choices. The first two guys off the board were Genti and Travis Hunter. Right. So your choices. Right now your choices are Ward, Hampton. Who else?

[Dave]

McMillan.

[Adam]

Yeah. So I have the third pick and I have the seventh pick and that there are four guys that I want, you know, two of them and I have. And that's in a span of five picks. So I. I can't really. I feel like I'm giving away everything right now if I say this. So it doesn't really work to my benefit.

[Dan]

And I have to pick in the middle. I have the fifth.

[Thomas]

But he thought he told you. If Ward is there, he's taking him.

[Adam]

Yeah, I need a quarterback. I only have Jaden Daniels and I have Jimmy Garoppolo, so that's cool. But I want Cam Ward and I want three running backs. One of three running backs. So if I had two picks in the next four, I would take Ward.

[Dan]

Well, that's easy. Just give me 107 and Ken Walker. I'll give you 105 and then you can have Cam Ward in the running.

[Adam]

Back and Ken Walker. Okay. Okay. Maybe I should just take Cam Ward here.

[Dan]

So the traded Drake May and Trey McBride to get 105 last year, I.

[Adam]

Think Drake for men, for neighbors.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And trade Drake May. I traded a pick that turned into Drake May. Yeah.

[Dan]

But it was basically the same pick, same trade.

[Adam]

Yeah. Okay, you know what, Heath? Just leave me alone. There's too much going on right now.

[Dan]

I could throw in a second next year.

[Thomas]

You know, by the time Adam makes the seventh pick, it will be June 9th.

[Adam]

It's a slow moving draft. It's fun. You know, there's a lot of trade talk going on. Trade.

[Thomas]

That's when you wanted to start the draft, so that's what. Yeah, I. I hear you'll drag out these two picks for at least another four or five days.

[Adam]

All right, wide receivers, 10 through 18. The first three are London, Higgins, McConkey. Is. Is there anyone that you guys have ranked above that? Like that's consensus. So obviously it changes player, you know, by Jamie might have one guy, blah, blah, blah. I think everybody knows what this means consensus.

[Dave]

Are you asking us who we have at 10, 11 and 12?

[Adam]

Yeah. Are there any changes to that? London, Higgins, McConkey. For you guys individually, the order for.

[Dave]

Me, I've got McConkey over Higgins.

[Dan]

I've got Higgins at the top, but I think we all three have those. Three in that range.

[Dave]

Good. That's a tier.

[Adam]

Okay, so do you want to talk about why you have McConkey over Higgins?

[Dave]

Sure. I think he's, he's the best receiver in la. I do worry about the target volume shrinking from what we saw at the end of last year, but he still showed. Even in games where he was getting six, seven targets per game, he was averaging north of 16 PPR points or at least 16 PPR points. I think he's phenomenal. He's so much fun to watch. He's going to be the top target getter there. I don't have to worry about the same type of production issues with him that I might with Higgins. Based on Higgins track record. Now you can say Cincinnati is going to throw more. Their defense sucks. It could work out that way. Certainly could work out that way. But it can also work out where the Chargers stick with Herbert. They don't just go into this run heavy mode like they did to start last year. Maybe they're a little bit more balanced overall and we still see seven plus targets per game for McConkey. I just, I think he's fabulous and I think he's going to get a lot of targets.

[Adam]

And Jamie, you have London highest here.

[Thomas]

I do. We talked about this a little bit yesterday with, with Dan and I know Dan sort of pushed back on this, but I think just looking at the fact that he finally got competent quarterback, competent coaching or I don't know, competent coach, but better in my opinion, better coaching with Zach Robinson taking over for, for Arthur Smith and you know, based on his, his pedigree, his profile coming into the league, you know, target opportunity was finally there with over 150 targets. And what he showed in the final three games with, with Pennix where two of those were north of 17 PPR points, now you put the number at 16. You know, I think he can beat, you know, in, in that range easily. I just like the setup for him coming back this year with, you know, a lot of the same cast of characters and same system. You know, offensive line is going to be a little different. They lose Dahlman for example, at the center spot. But I think they'll still get enough protection up front. It's definitely going to be a Bijan heavy offense, which is why, you know, he's in consideration to be the, the first player taken in fantasy this year. But I don't think that slowed down London by any stretch. And you know, this kind of factors in a little bit for Higgins. I know it kind of burned us last year a little bit or I think it was last year with what happens if Tyree Kill were to miss time. We were saying Jayden Waddle, Jalen Waddle could be amazing because we had that one game sample size. You saw what London did in the one game where Mooney didn't play with Penix in Week 18. The same thing sort of applies for me at least with, with T. Higgins. Whatever. What happens if there's no Jamar Chase, you know, how, how good Higgins could be. But in any event, you know, just these guys on their own, no injury related related scenarios. Drake London, I think established himself in his third year. I love that. You know, I, I write about 30 receivers every year and I think the trajectory is just headed in the right direction.

[Dave]

Can I scare you on Drake London?

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

If you take out the Week 18 game, which, I mean easy opponent, no Donald Mooney, crazy target volume. He averaged 15 PPR points per game on the season. Now look, I, I have him 10th. I'm, I'm not, I'm not saying that this is a bad pick or a bad move. I like London as a 10th wide receiver in fantasy because I think he's still going to see a lot of targets. Yeah, he averaged 8.8 targets per game, even if you take out week 18. But it's, it's just, it's, it's like the one little nitpick that I have. Like I can find a couple of nitpicks on Higgins, I can find a couple of nitpicks on McConkey. These are the receivers where you start to build a couple of nitpicks. That's the nitpick I've got on Drake London is that if you take the whole season, wow, it looks unbelievable. He's got a huge number. But week 18, you know, kind of puts the thumb on the scale a little bit. And if you take out week 18, yeah, it's, it's more of a season with Kirk Cousins not as explosive as a thrower. That's what helps me sleep at night a little bit with Drake London because I want to make sure that sounded funny because I want to make sure that like Penix is the better and more explosive thrower. But I don't want to like the, like what I said with Higgins. I don't want to draft a guy that's going to end up being wide receiver 18. And here's the guy that just finished wide receiver 14 with week 18 and now we're taking him at 10. Makes me just a little nervous to take Drake London here.

[Dan]

I just don't think there's a guy in this on the screen right now in wide receiver 10 through 18 that has a hot, like a guaranteed floor above wide receiver 18.

[Adam]

I think Higgins probably does just based on the 15.3 points. Well, I mean like Joe Burrow. So this is my, the favorite. My favorite thing about Higgins is Joe Burrow. His like his. God, I just had it here. Sorry. His. Okay. 17 game pace. In three of the last four seasons, Joe Burrow's been on pace for 44,755 or more yards and 36 or more touchdowns. Right. Like the one bad year was 20, 23. What did he have an appendectomy in preseason and he just struggled and he got hurt. But like 23.

[Thomas]

Yeah, that was the calf.

[Adam]

It was the calf. Okay. Last year was the appendectomy, whatever it was.

[Thomas]

No, 22 is the appendectomy.

[Adam]

Okay. Whatever it was. But the, But I mean if you're telling me that he's probably going to throw for four, 700 yards and 35 or more touchdowns, that gives Higgins a pretty high floor too. Right? But I mean, can't argue about the London call. London call.

[Dan]

Well, we were just talking about London's floor maybe being 15 because of what he did in week 18. And we're taking away his best game. I think Higgins has been better than that range once in the last three years when Joe Burrow has been awesome. So I'm not arguing against Higgins. I'm just saying I think all these guys, like there's not a guy that you're going to draft. If they had a floor that was a wide receiver one floor, they wouldn't be available in wide receiver for 10.

[Thomas]

Through 18, I think. Also, didn't T. Higgins have a three touchdown game then the season.

[Adam]

In week eight? In week 17. Yeah, against Denver. Right. That was like that crazy game. It's fantasy championship, 131 yards.

[Thomas]

I don't disagree with Dave's theory. You know, you're taking out their, their sort of spike game, you know, especially in the case of London, you know, there was a significant player missing because Mooney didn't play in that game. But you know, probably do that with all these guys. They're gonna. Numbers are going to look different.

[Dave]

But I think the difference is that T. Higgins. Did T. Higgins do that when Jamar Chase was on the field? Joe Burrow was on the field.

[Adam]

Oh yeah.

[Thomas]

No, I'm not disagreeing with that.

[Dave]

So to me there's a little bit of a difference between the two. The situation is going to be a lot closer to what we would expect week in and week out. I mean I can, I can throw you the numbers. That game, it's going to be ugly.

[Thomas]

The, the game that I like to point to with Drake London is the game before because Mooney played in that game. It was Pennix's second start, he had over 17 points per game. Like that I think is a fair optimistic view of what his ceiling is going to be.

[Dave]

Okay, so 17.6.

[Dan]

And the other thing I'll just say is like we're comparing him, he's in the tier with lad McConkey and we're talking about. I hope they don't score 15 fantasy points per game. Ladman Conkey didn't. Was 14.9 last year for the whole year without any acer setting like no.

[Dave]

I haven't met 15.1 and that was with the slowest.

[Adam]

All right, we'll call it 15.

[Dan]

Like his production last year was the floor you're worried about with Higgins in London?

[Adam]

Yeah, the Higgins and okay, I mean I think we've established here is that Higgins and London have the highest floor in this group. Is that fair to say yes?

[Dave]

Yeah, I think so.

[Adam]

Okay. And does anybody remember all last year I spent all this time on, on Drake London and his lack of yak. He still isn't good there. He doesn't make explosive plays. There's usually about 85 to 90 wide receivers per year that get 50 or more targets and in explosive play rate. Why can't I find any of my stinking stats here? Explosive play rate he has ranked. Ah, forget it, forget it. I can't find it. I'm so pissed off at myself here. But he's not that good. Oh no, I don't know. Forget it. Sorry, lost in my notes. But I, but that's the thing, like London, London isn't really like a standout in yards per target, yards per catch, pretty good in yards per outrun. But he's, you know, this one, earlier this offseason we were comparing him to A.J. brown, I was like, I can't even make. He might get more targets than AJ Brown, but AJ Brown is just such a far superior player. I can't even think about London over Brown. But does anybody bothered by that with Drake? London, like he's, he's not gonna, he kind of needs a lot of targets based on what he's done on a per catch basis to, to have a huge season.

[Thomas]

Do you see him not getting a.

[Dave]

Lot of targets per game overall 8.8 without week 18.

[Adam]

Do I see him not getting a lot of targets? No. I'd be surprised. However, one thing that I, I noticed when I looked at the previous four years and some of the players who were big busts in this range were guys like Deontay Johnson, DJ Moore on Carolina, there were maybe a couple others who got a lot of targets, but they were on bad pass offenses. I don't think you expect them to have a bad pass offense.

[Dave]

But none of these guys.

[Thomas]

Well, there, there's, there's clearly a wild card here. I mean we're, we're, we're basing this off Penix with three starts, right. You know, so he could be light years better than what Cousins was. And you know, if you're looking at Drake London's player page on our, you know, YouTube site, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, you know, when Cousins was struggling, weren't great for Drake, London. And then all of a sudden, you know, things pick up a little bit and then you see what happens at the end of the year. Like Penix could be better for him because he's a first round talent and you know, getting a full off season and the job is his. He could be worse.

[Adam]

Yeah, but you know, I do think it's interesting fellas, that this consensus ranking list of London, Higgins, McConkey, JSN, Tyreek Hill, Devonte Adams, Terry McLaurin, Rasheed Rice, DJ Moore. Pretty optimistic about all of these offenses. Is, is there one that stands out that might, might stink? Would it be Seattle or Chicago? I think those are the ones that kind of jump out to me that could drag down these guys.

[Thomas]

Seattle's the one that's a little nerve wracking. Sure. Because there's a quarterback change.

[Adam]

I'm still nervous about Chicago. I'm not like, not nervous enough to say that DJ Moore is being overranked at 18, but like we, Caleb was pretty bad last year.

[Dan]

I have plenty of questions about Atlanta and what the approach is going to be in Miami.

[Adam]

They're gonna. Yeah, no, the approach. Yeah, but you think they're gonna score? I mean, they're gonna put up points one way or the other.

[Dan]

Yeah, I mean, they probably won't be below average, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were average.

[Thomas]

I mean, the, the saving grace, though, is if Tua does miss six games again, you have Zach Wilson.

[Adam]

So I think when in the games that Tua played, I think they scored as many points per game as the Eagles. I think they were like seventh. They would have been like seventh or so. So they, they were very good last year with, with Tua offensively. Okay, let's take a break and let's talk about wide receivers, 13 in the consensus rankings when we come back.

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[Adam]

Full disclosure, I'm not going to be here tomorrow. Jamie's going to host that show. Originally, today's show was going to be like most wanted list players that we want to draft. But I said, you know what, let's, let's do this show today because I want to make sure I get to talk about Tyreek Hill again. Got to keep the streak going here. So Tyreek Hill is in our next group of wide receivers, 13 through 15. In consensus rankings, Jackson Smith and Jigba. Tyreek Hill and Devonte Adams. That's how we have it. Ranked. Jackson Smith and Jigba. Tyreek Hill, Devonte Adams. Dave, any hot takes on wide receivers 13 through 15?

[Dave]

JSN is my favorite of the list. Adams is next for me. I do have Adams as my wide receiver. 14. I love the role. I love the opportunity to score a lot of touchdowns. I still think he's playing at a good level, not necessarily the best level of his career. The offense scores a ton of points. The quarterback is great. I don't mind being ahead of consensus on Devonte Adams and with jsn, it's, it's literally a PPR thing. Just the fact that I think he's going to continue to be the alpha in Seattle's offense and do I think that Sam Darnold is an upgrade form at quarterback? It's not. But I still think Darnold can get the ball to him a bunch of times a game.

[Adam]

If James Cook's on the clock and Jackson's on the draft board and you're on the clock, Jackson, Smith and Jig, but Tyree Kill and Devonte Adams are all there. Who's your pick?

[Thomas]

In a vacuum, it's the receivers. But if I went receiver, receiver and that's the best running back, then that's probably the way I would go.

[Dave]

Yep, well put.

[Adam]

Isn't, isn't it, isn't it crazy to draft a 32 year old Devonte Adams over James Cook or Joe Mixon? The running backs in that range. Savante, we're talking about him as a middle of the, of the third round pick. I mean if he's really going to be this high in the rankings, that feels a little, a little crazy to be not crazy. Feels risky. Feels risky to me. Heath.

[Dan]

I, I, yeah, but I mean we, we've just on the heels of the end of Tyreek Hill week and you're so excited about the upside that Tyreek Hill had a year ago and I, I get that. But Adams was much better last year. Adams has been better in four of the last five seasons between him and Tyreek Hill.

[Adam]

Really?

[Dan]

And I know he's one year older.

[Adam]

Adams is better in 22. 2022.

[Dan]

Well, let's, we can check my math if you'd like to.

[Adam]

Yeah, you're wrong.

[Dan]

I'm wrong.

[Adam]

I think so. They are pretty Damn close in 2022.

[Dave]

I've got Tyreek 4/10 of a fantasy point per game better than that.

[Dan]

So as we know we've all looked at, we have like six different sources for the fantasy points per game and a half a point is within the error bar it seems for some reason. But regardless, I just think like both of these guys are scary. I'm below this on both of these guys. But I, I don't think it makes sense to just be all excited about Tyree Kill and all. Isn't it crazy to Draft Devonte Adams. This high.

[Adam]

Not crazy, but risky.

[Dan]

I think it's very risky to draft.

[Thomas]

I recognize they're both risky. There. There's. There's risk involved with both. There's probably less risk with Devonte. I think there's probably a higher ceiling, though, with Tyreek.

[Adam]

Okay, Dave, where do you come out on that? Tyreek versus Devonte?

[Dan]

Yeah, I'm.

[Dave]

I'm starting to dig into Tyreek a lot more. I watched all of his routes from his last three games when Tua had three or more seconds, just to see, like, is he. Is he separating the same way? Is he the same guy? Are his legs the same? I would say yes. He's still a very fast, very shifty receiver. But there's definitely timing issues that were in play last year between Tua and Tyreek. They've got to get that fixed. There were a couple plays where it looked like Tyreek struggled to catch the ball. That could be the wrist injury that he had last year. He's still dealing with that injury now. And the biggest issue is obviously the fact that, like, 60% of Tua's throws last season were in two and a half seconds or fewer. And on those catches that Tyreek had, on those types of plays, he averaged 11 yards per catch. He wasn't breaking away from tackles like he was a year prior. That makes me wonder that if that's the first sign of Tyreek getting a little bit older, maybe he's not quite as physical as he once was, and. And that's something that's going to keep his numbers from being completely out of control. But the speed is still there. It's just a matter of whether or not the Dolphins are going to say, okay, we need to really upend what we did last year. Enough with this, you know, dink and dunk offense, and let's start getting the ball to Tyreek a little bit further downfield. That would open them up to 15, 16 PPR points per game. That would make him a great value in round three. I think that's about the range. 16 where I would have Devonte this year in full PPR, because I still think he's going to see a ton of targets. Cooper cup in that role last year in the slot, he still got a ton of targets when he was on the field. Now it's Adams doing it. If you watch Adams play last year, I don't think he's necessarily slowing down either. He still has great hands, can still make plays in the ring. I'm going to take Devonte Just because I like the situation a little bit more and I think there are actually fewer words. The biggest worry with Devonte, honestly, is the age, and he seems to be overcoming that at least the last couple of years.

[Adam]

Yeah, I don't really know if we can forecast this, but 32 is a year where players just hit, hit a cliff or fall off the cliff. They hit the wall, they stumble, they fall off the cliff, there's an Acme anvil that hits them in the head and there's a trampoline and they bounce back up and you know how it is. But 32 now is for Devonte Adams. Keenan Allen had a great age 31.

[Dave]

Season, by the way. He turns 32 during the season.

[Adam]

No, he turns 33 during the season in December. He is 32 years old now. He turns 33 in December. Okay, so don't, obviously don't start him in January.

[Thomas]

And look, he's, he's never been the two. He may not be the two. Like, he may get more targets than Puka. We don't know how this is all going to unfold. He's certainly got an impressive resume and Stafford is, you know, smart enough to lean on him as much as he possibly can. Whether more than two or not remains to be seen. I would doubt it, but you never know. But in any event, like, he's never been in this secondary role. You know, he said, you know, gone through a bunch of different quarterbacks, backs and been successful. I think that's the right take. But he did have a little bit of a fall off when it wasn't, you know, Cara Rogers last year. Again, that's not fair to say because it's Stafford and he's clearly going to be better than Aiden o' Connell and Gardner Minshew. But, you know, we'll, there's unknown with both of these guys. I, I just think, you know, we don't know how healthy Tyreek Hill is still dealing with this wrist injury Seems to be fine, you know, based on the social media posts. He's, he's sharing. But if this offense is going to continue to be, as Dave alluded to, you know, just get the ball up to his hands quickly and not give Tyreek more opportunities, especially now. They just lost, lost the left tackle. There's, there's risk involved and it's, it's the, the risk of taking receivers at this age. It's the risk of taking guys. As he said in regards to Tyree Kill, you know, time and time again, when they start to show you that they're falling off. It might be time to just bail. So we'll, we'll see. But the upside for both of them is huge. I mean, you know, Devonte's been consistent. Different teams, different quarterbacks. Tyreek is one year removed from chasing 2, 000 yards and then dealt with a wrist injury in his quarterbacks missed six games. So you know, again I, I just go back to what I said, that I think there's a, a higher ceiling for Tyree Kill and a safer floor for Devonte Adams. It's just a matter, I think, of what you're looking for in this range and your roster build.

[Dan]

And it's, it's worth noting that there have been a lot. Adam's right about the age 32. I'm not disputing that. But there have been a lot of elite wide receivers who have had elite 32 year old seasons. Yeah, like a lot.

[Adam]

Okay, so JSN, by the way, do you guys all have JSN ahead of Hill and Adams?

[Thomas]

I do for now, yeah.

[Dan]

Only because of the age. But yes, I've got him right behind him in the projections.

[Adam]

Okay, so let's go to our last three then. Terry McLaurin, Rashi Rice and DJ Moore. Terry McLaurin, Rasheed Rice, DJ Moore. Do you guys feel like a little less enthusiasm? Is it kind of dropping here with this group of three compared to jsn, Tyree Kill, Devonte Adams, Dave.

[Dave]

Oh, I like Rice. I think that he's still in that range of getting seven and a half to eight targets per game. I think we can put JSN and Adams in that exact same range. And so that's why Rice is right behind Adams as of now. Once we really see that Rice is good to go, Rice might go ahead of JSN. He could be my 13th wide receiver. It's just someone who's done well with Mahomes for parts of the last two seasons and probably isn't going to see a lot of double teams in this offense and can add an element of some explosive plays. Not like Xavier Worthy, but someone who can still be certainly more explosive than Travis Kelsey as a short and intermediate area target. I think he could end up leading the Chiefs and targets. That's a guy I'd like to have on my fantasy team. So I feel good about Rice by comparison to the other two. I think there's some real uncertainty with More and McLaurin. We've talked about this a lot this off season. Just the only difference between his 2024 and his prior years is the touchdown production. And you might say, well, it's because he had a great quarterback who threw him a bunch of deep balls. And look for him in the red zone. Even if you take away five touchdowns from Terry McLaurin's number last year, and it was a career high, his number still isn't great on a per game basis. And I just, I don't want to overvalue McLaurin based on the one stat that's really hard to forecast year in and year out.

[Adam]

Oh, man. Rice would be a layup here if not for the injury. Right? I mean, that's, that's the only thing.

[Dave]

And then there's already reports that like. Or Mahomes is saying he looks like his old self.

[Adam]

Well, then he's fine. Yeah. Then he's.

[Dan]

Yeah, I'm going to wait until the first day of training camp. But sure, if we get reports that he's practicing without restrictions, then I think he's in The London Higgins McConkey tier, most likely.

[Thomas]

But is that, is that safe with what Worthy did last year to just assume that he's going to be that guy again?

[Dan]

I mean, it may not be the.

[Dave]

Thought from here is that Rice and Worthy kind of take over as the primary targets in the offense, but it'll also be. I also think it's going to depend on how they're played. And if defenses are still going to try and take away the deep ball from Kansas City, then of course Mahomes is going to look for the underneath guys. And that's Kelsey and that's Rice. It was Rice last year. Hello. Look at the targets and look at where he caught them. He wasn't running 30 yards downfield.

[Thomas]

Yeah, but he did that with no Marquis Brown and Worthy two games into his rookie season.

[Adam]

Yeah, so you're talking about what Rice did in the first three games of the year. So he scored 17.3, 18.5 and 29.1 points per game on. On pace for 136 catch pace, 164 target pace. And yes, he did that with Worthy. You know, being in his first three games, he did that without Marquis Brown. He also did that with Patrick Mahomes, averaging 31 pass attempts per game and on pace for 3,734 yards and 28 touchdowns. That's the argument that, that I'll continue to make is that you could get a thousand more passing yards from Patrick Mahomes this year and it wouldn't be a surprise. You could get 10 more touchdown passes. Or whatever and it wouldn't be a shock. So everyone, even if there is more target competition, everyone could be lifted up if we just get back to the old days or even something close to the old days for Patrick Mahomes and not what we've seen over the last two years.

[Thomas]

Totally agree.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Thomas]

Yeah. Look, there's plenty of reason for optimism for Rice. I was just given the other side of it. I think there's, you know, you're. You're looking at the, the potential. Like Worthy could be the guy that should be in this range versus Rice, you know, and it could be that Rice is below these guys and closer to the. Where Worthy is. And Marquis Brown should be raised up and, you know, be more than just a late round flyer. And they're all going to have, you know, pretty solid seasons and lift Mahomes up to a higher degree than we've seen the last two years along with Kelsey, but not one of them being top 12 caliber wide receiver. They're all like kind of in the 20ish range. Okay, so I think Garrett Wilson belongs this range too. Personally, I know I'm probably the outlier there, but.

[Dave]

You are not.

[Adam]

Yeah. And we have Mike Evans. Does he belong in this range?

[Thomas]

Not for me.

[Dan]

No.

[Dave]

He's there for me. But it's. It's kind of like there's. There's like a whole list of receivers after she Rice where I'm like, well, I don't know who I like as wide receiver 16 and Tyreek's currently holding that spot, but behind him it's Evans, it's Wilson, DJ Moore, Worthy. Like there's a bunch of contenders for that spot. All right, who's next best after that group of JSN Devonte and Rashid Rice.

[Thomas]

And, and you know, just, we didn't really. All right, for me, it's like McLaren and Cortland Sutton are very similar as well.

[Adam]

Yeah. What about DJ Moore here at number 18?

[Dan]

It's. It's. I don't think there's anybody on this show and probably not in the industry that could make like a, a specific projection for DJ Moore that they'd feel good about this year. He. If Caleb Williams takes a step forward and more is the clear number one option in Ben Johnson's offense, he could be a top 10 wide receiver. But if Caleb Williams doesn't or if one of the other guys is the number one option in Ben Jonson's offense, then he's a bust at this pick.

[Adam]

You know that he has been on a team that have that has thrown 20 or fewer touchdown passes in six straight seasons.

[Thomas]

He's just crazy.

[Adam]

Never been on a good passing offense. Bottom five in gross passing yards per game in four straight seasons for D.J. moore.

[Dan]

So that's terrible. And then we can look at the quarterbacks and know that it's, it's bad quarterback play. But, and I love Dj Moore. Like, does it say anything about him that he's been the number one wide receiver on a team that's thrown 20 or fewer touchdown passes six straight seasons? Like, if he scored some more touchdowns, wouldn't they throw us more?

[Adam]

I don't know. I think he's one of the most confusing players. Just looking at his career. He's just a yo yo of oh, whoa. He's actually really efficient. He's really good, actually. I don't know if he's that good. Whoa, look what he did with Justin Fields. He's making all these big plays. Oh, wow. Look what he just did last, last year in Chicago. All they do is throw wide receiver screens to him. He's a very confused player.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Thomas]

If, if Caleb Williams is good, DJ Moore is going to be good. You know, if the number one overall pick in the 2024 draft is as good as advertised coming into the league and has better coaching, better protection. I don't care what's around DJ Moore, he's going to be good.

[Adam]

Yeah. Okay.

[Thomas]

How good? We'll find out. But he's going to be good. I mean, if, if Caleb Williams is going to be a 4, 500 yard passer, which would be historically.

[Adam]

Oh, that's not happening.

[Thomas]

I've never done that.

[Adam]

No chance.

[Thomas]

Well, I mean, you say no chance, but it's, it's, it's arguably the system we've been craving for many teams with Ben Johnson going here or Ben Johnson going there or what the Lions look like and what the Lions did. I mean, look, he's not Jared Goff and this is not the same, you know, cast of characters. But if again, the prospect of Caleb Williams and what he was supposed to be becomes that guy, I don't really care what Odunze does. And he could be better than Moore and what Loveland does and what Burden does, like, DJ Moore is still their best talent. And so if that talent shows out with the quarterback being that guy, like, he'll be good.

[Dan]

So, Adam, how many guys on this get us to get us back to what's really important this morning? How many guys on this screen would you accept for the 103 pick?

[Adam]

Oh, what A great question.

[Thomas]

Well, you already traded McConkey.

[Adam]

Right? I did trade McConkey. Okay, so how many of these guys in a dynasty league would I trade the number three pick in this rookie draft, which is.

[Thomas]

I have three of them, by the way.

[Adam]

Genti and Hunter are off the board. Super flex league. I would take Higgins and I think that's it.

[Thomas]

So if I offered you Higgins right now for the third overall pick, you do it.

[Adam]

I don't even know if I do that. Oh, man.

[Dan]

Yeah, I think.

[Adam]

I think because I need a running back really bad. Like if these guys were equivalent running backs, then maybe. But you.

[Dan]

You only have one wide receiver.

[Adam]

Also, I have Roman running too.

[Dan]

And you're not going to win next year, so you don't.

[Adam]

I don't have my first round.

[Dan]

Why do you want a running back so bad?

[Adam]

Because I have. Because I am desperate there.

[Thomas]

But that's the one position you shouldn't be wanting.

[Adam]

I'm desperate. I don't know. You tell me. I. I have a hard time valuing that evaluate. Like you tell me, is. Is Drake London Worth the third pick? Lab McConkey, and my God. Yes. I don't know about that. I don't think it's that much of a slam dunk.

[Dan]

So, yeah, I've got. I mean, the thing is, I think in your position, the right thing to do is take Cam Ward. And we've tried to make that clear to you over and over.

[Adam]

All right, I'll take him. You know what?

[Dan]

But I would. I would take the top three wide receivers over Hampton for sure.

[Thomas]

So you pick fifth, Heath, is that right?

[Dan]

Yes.

[Adam]

All right, I drafted camera.

[Thomas]

Let's play this out. He takes.

[Dave]

I can't believe you just took Heath's advice. When you know Heath is making a pick two picks after.

[Adam]

It doesn't matter for him. It doesn't matter. I don't care about Heath's team. I care about my team.

[Dave]

Your neck.

[Adam]

I took Cam Ward was. Was a fine pick there. He was a fine.

[Thomas]

That was the smartest pick you can make because you still have the opportunity to get a. A player that is going to be. Yeah, I mean, we don't know if Hampton or Henderson or Harvey or Judgins, whoever you're going to take at running back is going to be the best of that group.

[Adam]

I'm gonna take. I'm gonna take either Hampton, Harvey or Henderson, Triple H. Or I'm gonna take Tela McMillan.

[Thomas]

Right. So Heath, who are you hoping to get at 5?

[Dan]

I'm hoping to get Ken Walker. I'm going to.

[Thomas]

What?

[Dan]

Hampton's going to be taken here, and Adam's going to start panic about panicking about not getting one of those running backs, and then he's gonna pay a little bit extra to get from 107 to 105 and I'll move back and add a player.

[Adam]

That's fine. I kind of want to get rid of Ken Walker, so it's fine.

[Dan]

The trade offer is sitting in your inbox.

[Adam]

Okay. What was the trade offer? 5th overall pick and round 2 pick. Which one? What is that next year? Is that a late one? Oh, 2026. Okay.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And a 2026 round two pick on a very good team. Probably like the favorite to win for Ken Walker. And the seventh pick.

[Dan]

I left some room to negotiate. I've got. I've got my own second for next year, too, and my team's almost as bad as yours.

[Adam]

All right, well, all right.

[Thomas]

Maybe Walker and A one Walker.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Adam]

I wouldn't.

[Dave]

Walker to move up two spots.

[Adam]

I'm not doing that. Obviously I'm not doing that.

[Dave]

He's like Yoda over here, trying to like.

[Adam]

Honestly, I. I kind of want Cam Ward. I. I want Cam Ward. Like, it's fun for me. I want came one on the team.

[Dan]

We'll see after Hampton goes here, we'll resume talks.

[Adam]

Yeah. Okay. I wanted to read an email. You would be so Heathread for you. I. I'm fine with that pick. You think I made a bad pick, Dave?

[Thomas]

No.

[Dave]

I don't know if you did or if you didn't.

[Thomas]

I don't know whether it turns out the way you want it to be. You made the smart pick like you. You can't pass up with one quarterback. You can't pass up Ward at three.

[Adam]

Yeah. Unless I got a quarterback. Right. If I trade it down.

[Dave]

Teams in this league that have solid quarterbacks on their bench that you could have acquired and you could have kicked the can.

[Thomas]

There's one, and he's very difficult to trade with because he's good. He's very smart.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Oh, that's you.

[Thomas]

No, no, believe me, no. He's trying to. He's trying to fleece me for other players because I have Herbert and Richardson as my only quarterbacks and Flacco.

[Dave]

So you only have one quarterback?

[Thomas]

Basically.

[Adam]

All right, here's the question from Ben. Ben says, dear Tony, Drew, Tom and Drake.

[Thomas]

Patriots quarterbacks.

[Adam]

Yes. Why are you all, especially Heath, who is my de facto draft rankings guy so low on Drake. Maybe ESPN has him as QB14 for Super Flex. Go watch any Patriots game with Drake last year and see how much they invested in the offensive line after a horrifying experience, blah blah blah while still making plays with his arm and feet. This is really directed at Heath who has won me championships and is a guarantee for the playoffs. Thank you. And cites Vegas implied over unders often. So why are you so low on Drake? May?

[Thomas]

Can I ask question first before Heath answers? Who is the the person writing us?

[Adam]

Ben?

[Thomas]

Ben I wonder if this is a six point or four point conversation.

[Adam]

Probably four. Yeah. Espn.

[Dan]

I, I, I would, yeah, I would definitely like him a little more in four because he gets punished for the lack of projected passing touchdowns in six so that is part of the distinction for sure. I also think I'm glad the offensive line's better and I think Trevion Henderson could help him a little bit. If Stefan Diggs shows up to camp with no restrictions on day one, then I'm going to be much more excited about Drake May right now I don't think he has a, a very good receiving core and he's due for some pretty like you mentioned the rushing, it was awesome last year but he averaged 7.8 yards per carry. Yeah, he's probably gonna, if he runs the same amount of times, he's probably gonna lose 25% of his rushing yards from last year.

[Dave]

There's video of Stefan Diggs working days without a non contact jersey or anything like that. Nothing's on his knee. Like I would say, it's encouraging that Diggs is even running routes at this point.

[Dan]

I wouldn't disagree with that, but we've also got video of other guys who are recovering from injury and I'm just going to wait until training.

[Adam]

Right, but that's the thing. It's like I guarantee in training camp all of these injured players are going to get these glowing reviews, but we see it every single time they take the field that they, they struggle.

[Dan]

But a lot of times those these guys at the beginning of training camp are working on a side field or start camp on the PUP and then come off the PUP in the middle of the year. I think it's not very often we have a guy coming off of an ACL that he tore last year and he starts the day one of training camp and he's just, everybody says he's fine.

[Adam]

I, I don't know. I mean honestly I don't really track that. What I do track is this, this YouTube poll is insane. Tyree Kill versus Devonte Adams. 70% are saying Devonte, Adams, you guys, I think you all are wrong. Except for the 30% said Tyreek Hill. That's a, that's a wide gap there. Wow, 70%. Okay. You guys want to hear a tennis story? It's a pretty good story, I think. It's not funny or anything. Oh, date left. So I played last night against a very tough opponent playing like in USTA league, and everybody told me, like, this is going to be the toughest guy you place all year. Play all year. So we had a great match. I mean like neck and neck. Nobody ever had more than a two game lead in any set. I won the first set, six, four. And the rule is you get two hours to play. And the two hours start when you begin warming up. So we started warming up, I think at 7:14. I won the first set, 6:4, the second set. We went to a tiebreaker and we're really running out the clock. So he thought we started warming up at 7:15. I didn't care. I was like, whatever. Okay, we'll play till 9:15. I was losing in the tiebreaker, 5, 4, and it was 9:14. The tiebreaker goes up to 7. You have to win two sets to win the match. Okay. Anyway, I'm losing 5, 4. He goes, you want to play another point? So I'm like, yeah, sure. I mean, whatever. Like no one's going to win the tiebreaker. So I play the point, I lose the point. He's up 6, 4 in the tiebreaker. And that's it, that's the end of the match. We ran out of time. It officially goes down as a tie. Like I got the first set, he gets the second set, which I figured I was losing five, four. Anyway, so you know, like he was going to win the set. So I, I texted the captain after the game. I said, if I had won that point and tied in the tiebreaker, would I have won the match? He said worse if I hadn't played the point. All I had to do was lose by one point in the tiebreaker or less and I would have won the match. He beat me by two points. If I had been like, oh, it's time's up. Actually 7:14, 9:14. If I had not played the point, I would have won the match. But I played the point and I lost it. I didn't know that. Whoops.

[Thomas]

Is, is there anything at stake for this?

[Adam]

Just standings. Like you get points for every match you win. There's like five matches per night. There's two singles, three doubles or three singles, two doubles, whatever it is. And I think we won. I think our team won overall, but we didn't get as many points as we would have gotten because I didn't win the match. I tied.

[Thomas]

Gotcha. So you. You hurt your team?

[Dan]

Yeah, for sure.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dan]

By. By not reading the rules. I wish we. I. This is what I wish I had, like, that huge catalog of clips of all the things Azer said in the past, because we'd play the clip where he said, I don't want to have to go in and read a whole bunch of rules.

[Adam]

Yeah, I agree, but, you know, I don't think I would have wanted to win that way anyway. I think I would have played the point out. I don't want to win that technicality.

[Thomas]

Was this player better than Dan?

[Adam]

No. No, not even close. I'm not. I. I played a guy last week who's maybe a little better than Dan, but basically similar to Dan, and I'm not going to beat Dan, so let's just say that we'll leave it at that. All right, guys, he knows. I already told him he knows, but. Let's go, Panthers. We get started tonight. The official, the unofficial team of this podcast. Here we go. Have a great day. Everybody will talk to you tomorrow. I won't, but Dave, Jamie, and Heath will. On fantasy football.

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