Start or Sit (AFC): Chargers WRs, RBs With Tough Matchups, Great Week for TEs! (11/06 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

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Fantasy Football Today (November 6, 2025)

Start or Sit (AFC): Chargers WRs, RBs With Tough Matchups, Great Week for TEs!

Host & Analysts: Adam Aizer, Jamie Eisenberg, Heath Cummings
Theme: In-depth Start/Sit advice for AFC home games in Week 10, covering tough running back matchups, volatile wide receiver decisions (especially for the Chargers), and why it’s a banner week for tight ends.

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Episode Overview

This episode focuses on navigating tricky start/sit decisions across the AFC games in Week 10, especially tough matchups for running backs, the chaos of Chargers pass-catchers post-Joe Alt injury, and sorting the week's loaded tight end landscape. Hosts Adam, Jamie, and Heath break down player rankings, provide supporting stats, discuss injuries and offensive trends, and debate flex-worthy options.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Start of the Week and Players the Hosts Love

[02:37-06:38]

• Jamie’s Start of the Week: Jackson Dart (QB, NYG vs. CHI)
  • "Love the setup for him. ... Great matchup against Chicago. ... Only one game under 20 fantasy points this season." — Jamie [02:41]
• Other Players Jamie Loves:
  • Quinchon Judkins (RB, CLE @ NYJ): Great matchup with injuries weakening the Jets' run defense.
  • Quinton Johnston (WR, LAC vs. PIT): "Pittsburgh have given up a lot of big plays down the field. ... This could be a Herbert game." — Jamie [04:07]
• Heath’s Favorites:
  • Jared Goff (QB, DET @ WAS): “It’s a good week for Jared Goff. … Washington’s defense has been crushed by QBs.” — Heath [07:16]
  • Romeo Doubs (WR, GB @ PHI): High target share, especially with Tucker Kraft out.
  • Wandale Robinson (WR, NYG): Bears “giving up 2.21 fantasy points per target to WRs.” — Heath [09:01]

2. Chargers Wide Receivers: Who to Trust?

[04:37-06:38, 22:41-30:12]

• Jamie ranks Quinton Johnston over Keenan Allen and DK Metcalf this week due to matchup vs. PIT and increased downfield targets.
• Heath’s concern: The drop-off in Justin Herbert’s production without Joe Alt: “Herbert’s had 8.3 Y/A with Alt, just 6.5 without. It’s a huge difference.” — Heath [04:37]
• Adam notes Johnston’s target share is volatile but favors his big play ability against a Steelers defense that's “allowed 10+ WRs over 15 PPR points.” — Adam [29:43]

3. Players to Avoid (Sits)

[09:49-13:38]

• Heath's Sits:
  • Jordan Addison (WR, MIN): Concern over low pass volume with J.J. McCarthy.
  • Jordan Love (QB, GB): “Not a great matchup; you don’t have to start him this week.”
  • Zamir “Bam” Knight (RB, ARI): D. Mercado more involved, especially in the passing game.
• Jamie's Sits:
  • Deebo Samuel (WR, SF): “Just been bad ... only one good game with Mariota.”
  • DK Metcalf (WR, SEA): “Tough to trust, needs a touchdown to pay off. ... Chargers have allowed just 4 WR touchdowns.”
  • Ken Walker (RB, SEA): “Ultimate trap back. ... No passing game involvement or TDs lately.”

4. Tight End Landscape: Great Week for Streamers

[39:59, 40:20, 72:00]

• Kate Otten (TE, TB): Both Jamie and Heath have Otten as a top 10 TE; Adam calls it “a great matchup.” — Adam [40:21]
• Harold Fannin & David Njoku (TEs, CLE): Both are popular starts given volume and matchup; “Fannin will be in that 4-6 range, I’m starting him.” — Heath [77:11]
• Dalton Kincaid (TE, BUF): “He’s a start. Top-5 tight end.” — Jamie [55:44]

5. Mailbag & Rapid-Fire Start/Sit Decisions

[38:27-43:55, 45:11-46:32]

• The hosts play “Sit, Reluctant Start, Excited Start” on several flex options, always emphasizing format (PPR vs. standard).
• Frequent audience questions on mid-tier flexes (e.g., Tez Johnson, Jacoby Myers, Kamani Vidal) and low-end QBs.

6. Injury and Practice Report Recap (AFC Focus)

[15:52-20:03]

• Running backs missing Wednesday practice: R. Stevenson, A. Jones, R. Dowdle, J. Cook, B. Irving, T. Benson, N. Chubb, D. Swift.
• Main takeaway: Thursday/Friday reports are pivotal but expect tough choices for TNF.
• Ray Davis as a James Cook replacement: “He’s now 22% rostered and they get the Dolphins. ... Not a bad idea.” — Adam [18:04]

7. Game-by-Game: Key Start/Sit Spotlight

Pittsburgh Steelers at Los Angeles Chargers

[22:41, 28:29, 30:45]

• WR rankings: McConkey > Johnston > Allen > Metcalf > Austin (Jamie’s ranks)
• Heath & Jamie agree: “Start Jalen Warren. He’s a high-end RB2 even in tough matchups.” — Heath [32:02]

New England Patriots at Tampa Bay Buccaneers

[23:28, 24:01, 36:27]

• Rashad White: “Must-start in PPR due to pass game usage.” — Jamie [24:08]
• Travion Henderson & Sean Tucker: Not trustworthy, considered “reluctant starts” at best.
• WR options bleak: Only Emeka Egbuka qualifies as a confident start.

Baltimore Ravens at Minnesota Vikings

[25:01, 48:24]

• Jordan Addison vs. Vikings RBs: Lean Addison; both RBs are only modest options.
• Zay Flowers: Locked in as a WR1 for all analysts (“must start”).
• TJ Hockenson: Trending down; “only 3 targets each of last 2 games.” — Jamie [52:10]

Atlanta Falcons at Indianapolis Colts (Germany Game)

[25:41, 61:02]

• Drake London & Michael Pittman: Expected to “start even if shadowed.”
• Tyler Warren vs. Pitts: “Flip a coin, but Pitts has the better matchup.”

Jacksonville Jaguars at Houston Texans

[26:05, 66:55]

• Travis Etienne: “Low-end RB1/high-end RB2; expect 11-12 PPR points.” — Jamie [67:12]
• Nico Collins: “Reluctant start, but you’re putting him in your lineup.” — Adam [69:27]
• Tank Dell/Josh Downs: Quality low-end starts/flexes if healthy.

Buffalo Bills at Miami Dolphins

[26:08, 54:03]

• Bills WRs: Khalil Shakir "just lives at No. 30" in rankings — Jamie [54:41].
• Dalton Kincaid: Top-5 option.
• **Start all Dolphins “staples” — Mostert, Achane, Waddle.

Cleveland Browns at New York Jets

[26:40, 72:42]

• Favorites: Quinchon Judkins (RB) is the consensus must-start over Garrett Wilson (WR).
• Both teams' DSTs are elite plays.
• TEs: Harold Fannin slightly above Njoku; both viable given landscape.

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Memorable Quotes & Statistical Nuggets

• Heath on LAC WRs without Joe Alt:
  “Herbert’s had 184 drop backs with Alt … 8.3 yards/attempt. Without him, 6.5. It’s just been a huge difference when Alt’s not on the field.” [04:37]
• Jamie on DK Metcalf's profile:
  “He’s touching on or bust because if he’s not scoring, he’s not helping your fantasy team for the most part.” [11:39]
• Adam on Rashad White’s volatility:
  “I wonder if he lost his goal-line role, because they were using Tucker there last week.” [25:01]
• Heath on Target Share in GB:
  “Tucker Kraft catches the ball 5 yards away, then runs for 30. I don’t think Luke Musgrave is doing that.” [07:55]
• Jamie on Shakir’s Flex Value:
  “He’s just 30. That’s his parking spot. Like there’s nobody taking it from him.” [54:41]
• Heath on the tough running back landscape:
  “There’s not enough starting running backs. ... That’s why I said Bam Knight was the RB to avoid.” [13:38]
• Adam, recurring stat:
  “The Bears are giving up 2.21 fantasy points per target to WRs for the season.” [09:01]

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Important Timestamps

| Topic/Segment | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------|----------------| | Episode/Theme Intro | 01:51–02:37 | | Starts of the Week | 02:37–06:38 | | Chargers WR/Herbert Discussion | 04:37–06:38, 22:41–30:12 | | Sits: Addison, Walker, Metcalf | 09:49–13:38 | | RB Injury Recap | 15:52–20:03 | | Game-by-Game: Quick Hit Rankings | 22:41–43:55 | | Tight End Streamer Spotlight | 39:59, 40:20, 72:00 | | Flex/Start-Sit Rapid-Fire | 38:27–43:55 | | Mailbag + Chat Q&A | 55:49–66:40 | | Jacksonville at Houston | 66:28–71:51 | | Cleveland at Jets | 72:00–78:00 |

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Conclusion

Despite tricky injuries and bye weeks, the hosts’ AFC Week 10 analysis gives managers a clear read on start/sit pivots, especially for polarizing players like Quinton Johnston, Ken Walker, and Rashad White. Chargers, Browns, and Jets debates dominate, while TE is the surprise position of the week for upside streamers. The message: lean into the premium matchups (RB/catching backs, TEs), and be wary of risky RB plays and inconsistent WR/TEs with bad QB play.

For more game-by-game NFC breakdowns, check out tomorrow’s episode!

Transcript

[Adam]

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[Heath]

This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports. What a play.

[Jamie]

Can you believe this?

[Heath]

No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league.

[Adam]

Off to the races and he stays at his feet. This is gonna go the distance.

[Heath]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Adam]

Week 10 start, start or sit. This is part one and we've got seven games to break down today, most of them AFC home games. Don't have a lot of AFC home games this week, but we'll be talking about Pittsburgh at the Chargers. Can you trust any of the wide receivers in that game? I think we're all going to trust McConkey, but what about after that? New England at Tampa Bay. You know, on paper you think maybe this be a high scoring game, but I'm not so sure. Baltimore at Minnesota, Atlanta at Indianapolis and Germany. Jacksonville at Houston and Buffalo at Miami. And I'm forgetting one, Cleveland at the Jets. There you are. Cleveland at the Jets. How could. How could we forget Cleveland at the New York Jets? Welcome, everyone. Jamie, welcome to week 10. Why don't. Why don't we start with the start of the week as we get into players we love?

[Jamie]

Dart of the week.

[Adam]

Oh, nice, Nice.

[Jamie]

Just for you. Yeah. Jackson, dart start of the week. Love the setup for him. Playing very well. Obviously, you know, it's just finding a way to get it done, but clearly it's great matchup against Chicago. They've allowed four quarterbacks this season to go over 26 fantasy points. I don't know if he'll be that good, but I think he's got an opportunity to be hovering around the top five range. He's just been, you know, doing what we love with his legs. Rushing, touchdown or 55 yards rushing in every start that he's made so far this season. In the six starts, only one under 20 fantasy points. So I think this is an opportunity for him to keep it going and hopefully finds a way to get that touchdown to Darius Slayton, because that seems to be the thing that's been kind of missing from putting him even in a better, better standing from his fantasy production. But just love the setup for him.

[Adam]

All right, who else do you love this week?

[Jamie]

The other candidate for start of the week was going to be Quinn. Sean Judkins, you know, glad that his shoulder injury is okay, but love the matchup. But now you're taking Quinn and Williams off the jets run defense and giving him an opportunity to take advantage of what's been a bad run defense already this season. So clearly we did not see the best of him against New England. He got hurt in that game prior to their buy, but I think, you know, fact that he's healthy coming off their buy, he's going to get as much work as he could possibly handle. I don't think we see a lot of throwing from the Browns in this game. They don't have to. So great setup for. For Judkins. And then the third guy gave you.

[Adam]

This was the interesting one, Quinton Johnston against the Steelers, who do allow the most fantasy points to wide receivers, but, oh, boy, this is a risky one.

[Jamie]

Well, I. I think again, you're looking at him coming off a productive game for him finding the end zone. I do think we'll see a little bit of a struggle for the Chargers to run the ball. And so this feels like a Herbert game. And I think they're all in play. In the case of Judkins, excuse me, Johnson, they've given up A lot of big plays down the field. Look what Al Pierce just did to them, you know, so I, I think we see an opportunity for Johnston to go out and have some, you know, plays down the field and that typically lends itself to him finding the end zone. So I'm excited about him this week.

[Heath]

I, I, the thing that I struggle with the most is what things have looked like for the Chargers past game with and without Joe Alt. Justin Herbert's had 184 drop backs with Alt on the field. He's averaged 8.3 yards per attempt, had a 51 success rate, 7% touchdown rate, 0.23 EPA per drop back. Awesome. One of the best quarterbacks in the world. 193 snaps without Alt. 6.5 yards per attempt, 4% touchdown rate, 46 success rate, negative EPA per drop back. It's just been a huge difference when Alt, who's now out for the year, has not been on the field. I've still got Herbert as a must start quarterback, but I'm feeling a little bit nervous about it, especially after the Steelers maybe figured a couple of things out last week.

[Adam]

Well, they moved Jalen Ramsey to safety. That's one thing they did. That's by necessity. But it's going to happen again this week. I wanted to add one more stat because, yeah, almost two yards per attempt. Better Justin Herbert with alt on the field than without alt on the field. But here's another one as it relates to Quinton Johnston, his air yards. He averaged 9.1 air yards per pass attempt, which is very high with alt on the field, and 6.9 air yards per pass attempt without alt on the field. And that obviously is something that could affect Quentin Johnston. The Steelers haven't really had a great pass rush, but they certainly did last week. So this is, this is a tough one. I mean it's always going to every single week. It's going to be tough with the Chargers wide receivers. Are you ranking him ahead of Keenan Allen this week? Jamie. Quentin Johnson.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

Okay. Are you ranking him ahead of DK Metcalfe?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

All right. All right. So Jamie's players he loves this week. Jackson, Dart, Quinchon, Judkins. I don't know if he, Yeah. I don't know if you love Johnson. He's not like a top.

[Heath]

I think you've got some Johnson, 22. You love him?

[Adam]

Well, for him.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

For him, yeah. All right, so you've been 22nd you said.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Adam]

Okay. All right.

[Jamie]

Heath, you love Jay and just to, just to be fair, The Steelers pass. Russell was great last week. All three receivers for the Colts did well.

[Adam]

They threw 50 times, but. And they could have again.

[Jamie]

I don't think this is a run game for the Chargers. I don't think this is a commodity. Vidal, great week.

[Adam]

Yes, we. The past volume has been down for the Chargers the last few weeks, but this could be one where teams throw a ton on the Steelers. I think they see the most pass attempts in the NFL. They're up there, so we could get a lot of pass volume. Oh, man. Making it so difficult for me in all of my leagues where I have Quentin Johnson. All right. Jared Goff is one of the players that Heath loves along with Romeo Dobbs. Dobbs. On Monday night against the Eagles and Wanda Robinson.

[Heath]

I'm sorry, Adam, I know you hate one deal, but we don't usually love Jared Goff outside. But I think one thing that fixes that is this terrible Washington defense. Three straight quarterbacks have scored at least 28 fantasy points against them. Four straight have scored at least 22 against them. Seven of the last eight quarterbacks they've faced have scored at least 22 fantasy points against this defense. I think it's a good, good week for Jared Goff. Obviously. Sportsline agrees. They've got him at QB4.

[Adam]

Nice. Okay. And then, yeah, Dobbs. It's interesting. You like Dobbs, but you don't like Love.

[Heath]

Yeah, I think Love loses Tucker Kraft, which hurts him and helps Romeo Dobbs, most likely. I don't think Luke Musgrave steps fully into that Tucker Craft role. And even if he does, a lot of times, Tucker Craft catches the ball five yards away from the line of scrimmage and then runs for 30 yards. I don't think Luke Musgrave is doing that. So there will be probably maybe a few more pass attempts because the yard per attempt isn't quite as good for Jordan Love. But I think we're going to get a 20 to 25 target share game from Romeo Dobbs. They're gonna have to. They're not gonna be able to go into their shell and just run the ball 43 times because they're playing the Eagles. This should be a game where they have to throw and score just a little bit more. So Dobbs is a number two wide receiver for me. Wandale Robinson, also a number two wide receiver for me. That my favorite stat of the week. I said it yesterday on FFT Dynasty, and I think I just cite it every single week now in the wide receiver preview. The Bears are giving up 2.21 fantasy points per target against wide receivers for the season.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Heath]

Wondale's averaging about eight targets per game since week five. I think you can just do the math. It's probably going to score 17 fantasy points. Darius Slayton's probably a. Darius Slayton, not a bad wide receiver. Three, he'll probably score 14 fantasy points. All wide receivers destroy the Bears.

[Adam]

Okay, so. Well, here's hoping, right? Cause we got Jackson dart as the start of the week, so it would make some sense. So Jamie likes dart. Judkins and Quentin Johnston. Heath likes golf, Dobbs and Wondale. How would you guys rank those three receivers? Quentin Johnston, Dobbs and Wondale.

[Jamie]

Jamie Dobbs, Wondale, Quentin.

[Adam]

Oh, wow. So you like them too?

[Jamie]

Yep. If you looked at the graphic, you would see that.

[Heath]

Well, we do have a graphic that shows all of our rankings for each player.

[Adam]

It's not that easy to just remember everything.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

When the graphics are down, players to avoid. Heath is avoiding Jordan Addison against the Ravens, Jordan Love against the Eagles. And Jordan Bam Knight knows on Donovan. Bam Knight at Seattle I.

[Heath]

And Bam Knight seems like one. Like, obviously you don't want to start him after that bad week, but we did all pretty much have him ranked as the best Cardinal running back in a top 24 running back last week. Amari Di Mercado played a season high in snaps, had a season high in rush share. And while Knight did have one more catch than DeMarcusDo last week, for the totality of their careers, D. Mercado has been more of the past catching guy. The only way running backs have really been good against Seattle is if they catch a bunch of passes and They've given up 12 PPR fantasy points per game in the passing game. I like demercado more than I like Bam Knight this week. So don't start him. I think the other guys. You said Jordan Love. We talked about that. No Tucker Craft, maybe no Matthew Golden. Not a great matchup. You don't have to start Jordan Love. And I'm just worried. I. I'd like to see. Can we see FJ McCarthy or they're like 27 passes in a game.

[Adam]

Yeah, well, that's a game.

[Heath]

His pass volume has been so, so low in the three games that he started, and I'm not sure this is one. While the Baltimore Ravens defense has been better, they're still giving up like four and a half yards per carry over the last few weeks. Not sure this is one where we see a huge uptick in passes from JJ McCarthy. So I'd like to get away from Addison if I can. In three wide receiver leagues, you probably have to start him. I do like him more than Quentin Johnston.

[Adam]

Okay. And yeah, I kind of tried to break down why they're throwing so little with J.J. mcCarthy. So we'll get into that later when we preview the game. Jamie, you've got three sits. Debo Samuel against the Lions. DK Metcalf at the Chargers Sunday night. Ken Walker at Washington.

[Jamie]

Deebo's just been bad. He's only had one good game so far with Mariota, but clearly the last month has been awful for him. And the lion secondary actually playing a little bit better, I think, than people expected. So while I do think Mariota can sort of find his way to around 20 fantasy points, a lot of that will come with his rushing production, more so than him relying on one specific receiver. So even with McLaurin being out, it doesn't necessarily benefit. It doesn't. It hasn't benefited Debo. So I would start him only in three receiver leagues and you see where I have him ranked. Adam, if you check the graphic, he's at 35. In the case of, in the case of Metcalf, two of his last three games, he has now scored a touchdown. And really the only way to have success against the Chargers is to find the end zone. And they've allowed, I believe it's only four touchdowns to receivers on the season, so third and fewest fantasy points allowed to the position. We've seen Roger sort of go away from Metcalf at times, and he's seemingly doing that in the last three, three game stretch at least. And so Metcalf is to meet someone that's tough to trust. At this point, I kind of view him as touchdown or bus because if he's not scoring again, he's not helping your fantasy team for the most part. In the case of Walker, he's just become the ultimate trap back at this point. He's not catching passes, he's not scoring touchdowns. His best game since week four is the last time he got double digits in PPR points. I forget what the matchup was. Was against the Cardinals, he got 12. Like at this point, we're, we're rooting for him to get to 12. Yeah.

[Adam]

Only encouraging thing for Walker was that he got a couple of carries from the three yard line last week, came off the field at the 1, but they gave him a couple of chances at the three and he.

[Jamie]

I'm, I'm hopeful, I'm hoping that the, you know, I Think we talked about this on Wednesday. Like, you know, maybe the, the, the addition of Rashid Shahid and the way that Darnold is playing open some things up in, in the run game for Walker and Charbonnet, but mostly Walker. Based on what he needs at this point, it's just I, I can't trust him.

[Heath]

There's not 24 like you see. Jamie here said a lot of negative things about Ken Walker and he still got him 25th.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Like there's you. You can't. That's why I said Bam Knight was the running back to avoid. There's not enough starting running backs.

[Adam]

No, but, but even if you say, you know, you want to sit Ken Walker just tells us how you feel about putting Ken Walker in your lineup. You're not excited to do it. You might have to. I understand, but it doesn't exactly make him a start that. Because that would imply that you're, you know, excited about him or something.

[Jamie]

I have two Walker scenarios. One, I have him in our FFT league and I'm benching him this week for. Oh, it depends on. I probably will still start Manangai over him even if Swift plays just because of the Giants. So benching him from a non guy and have good enough receivers to sit him don't even as a flex. And then in a dynasty league, there's a manager who's selling and has nothing else. But I'm gonna offer like nothing to see if I get Walker.

[Adam]

Okay. All right.

[Heath]

So I bet you can do it for nothing.

[Adam]

Yeah, you probably could. All right, listen, we got a lot of, we got a lot of running back injuries to talk about. You know, you mentioned DeAndre Swift. We'll get into that. I just want to finish up on DK Metcalf. We're going to skip DK Metcalf when we, when we preview the game because he's about 25th for Jamie and Heath. So that's how they feel about him. I just want to say that the Chargers, you look at who, how they've done against wide receivers, they have not really stopped any good wide receivers this year. The best they've done against. I'd say a good wide receiver would be Justin Jefferson. Seven catches, 74 yards on 11 targets. Jordan Addison, three for 26 and one and a touch, one touchdown on four targets. But, you know, Cortland Sutton, huge game. Debo Samuel, huge game. Jalen Waddle, 6 for 95. Michael Pittman, Big game. They've played a lot of really crummy wide receivers and all of Those guys have struggled. So I, I hope that Metcalf can at least get the targets. But I did want to bring that up because I think it's a little deceiving to look at the Chargers as a tough matchup personally. All right, that's just me.

[Jamie]

No, it's fair. But again, if you look at the guys that have done well against them without scoring touchdowns, that's just not DK's profile.

[Adam]

It's true. And everyone who's done well against the Chargers has had eight or more targets. And Metcalf never gets eight or more targets. All right, news and notes. We still don't know who the jets quarterback is going to be. Probably find out today against Cleveland.

[Heath]

I don't know why you would think that it's his favorite game. It's the only joy that Aaron Glenn has found this year. Well, two things. One, not telling us who his quarterback is and two, not letting Breeze all go.

[Adam]

Well, we'll hopefully we'll find out today, but maybe not. Maybe we'll keep playing the game. Kyler Murray is on IR, so he's out at least the next four games. C.J. stroud is out. Davis Mills will start against Jacksonville. Brock Purdy was limited as he always is. They get the Rams huge game this week for them. Running back News Ramondre Stevenson missed practice Remember Wednesday practice reports. Thursday is much more important than obviously Friday, but a lot of guys are going to miss on Wednesday. But Ramandre Stevenson missed. Aaron Jones missed practice. He said he was optimistic about playing. Rico Dowdle missed practice. Dave Canalis said they're counting on him this weekend. Deandre Swift and Kyle Menangai were limited. Amazing matchup for these guys.

[Heath]

We're not ranking Swift yet, but he's played a lot of weeks where he didn't practice on Wednesday. So the limited on Wednesday I think should probably have you more thinking that Mananga is probably not as high in the rankings as we have him.

[Adam]

Yeah, I don't really know what advice to give in terms of the guys tonight, Dobbins and Genti and you don't want to start Harvey. But there are so many guys right now like James Cook is another guy. James Cook missed practice yesterday. Bucky Irving doesn't really seem like he's going to play. Trey Benson does not seem like he's going to play. So let's see what the Thursday practice reports are. But you're going to. You might have some tough decisions tonight, but again it's Ramandre, Aaron Jones, Rico Dowdle. They all miss Practice James Cook. James Cook, Bucky Irving, Trey Benson they miss practice. Nick Chubb miss practice. Deandre Swift limited. Kyle Manangai limited. Quinchon Judkins practice and full. He's good to go. Jacori Crosky. Merritt was limited. He should be fine. The Saints signed Audric estimate to the active roster and Ali Gordon was limited. But I think I saw a lot of people picking up Ray Davis. It's not a bad idea. James Cook came out of the Chiefs game hobbled. He has an ankle injury. Ray Davis has barely played but he was great one week last year without James Cook. He's now 22% rostered and they get the Dolphins. So yeah, Bazinga.

[Jamie]

And for what it's worth, we'll find out Saquon Barkley status today too. There you go.

[Adam]

Okay, wide receiver tonight. Deontay Thornton will be active for the Raiders. Just an FYI Pukinaku is going to play. Brian Thomas Jr. Missed practice. I think they're expecting Jacoby Myers to just come in and play, you know, a good amount And Zami Brown was limited. He's still in the concussion protocol but no BTJ on Wednesday. Terry McClure mispractice. Keisha Booty missed practice. Chris Godwin missed practice. It wasn't a great day for the Bucks in terms of not getting Godwin or Bucky Irving back on the practice field after the buy. Cedric Tillman practiced in full Isaiah Bond missed practice. I asked the guys yesterday I think or maybe Tuesday if Cedric Tillman comes back does that change anything for Fanon and Najoku and I think they said no. Garrett Wilson was limited play color could that's right. They they will have a new play caller Kyle Pitts missed practice with a glute injury. He I hope he plays because he's got a very good matchup in Germany.

[Jamie]

I think just to clarify it's someone calling the place is different. I don't know if the system is changing.

[Adam]

Well the system's not going to change midway mid season no Romo Dunes a and DJ Moore miss practice. That's not really a surprise that lo they should be fine. Luther Burden practiced in full Cooper cup missed practice. Marvin Mims is out tonight and Ricky Pierce all missed practice and Brandon Iuk is expected to return this season according to Adam Scheffer. It doesn't seem like it's close though. Tight end Theo Johnson limited Cole commit was limited offensive line the Bucks could be getting Luke get a key the right tackle back he has three weeks to be activated. The Lions could be without three offensive linemen. Heath would would it bother you? Would you go pivot to sitting Jared Goff if the Lions were without both tackles and one of their guards?

[Heath]

I guess maybe if all three of them missed. I'm not sure how equipped Washington is to take advantage of that.

[Adam]

Yeah, they don't have a pass rush anymore and one of the guard would definitely be out. But the two tackles missed practice Wednesday. Mikai Becton was limited offensive guard for the Chargers. That's good. See if we can get him back. And two starting Giants offensive linemen, their center and their right tackle miss practice defenses that are banged up.

[Jamie]

Daniel Bellinger also practicing?

[Adam]

Yeah, I didn't think it really mattered, but.

[Jamie]

Well, I mean, we've been talking about that in regards to Theo Johnson.

[Adam]

Yeah, Buffalo had a lot of players on the injury report. The Colts had a lot of players on the injury report. Although looks like Sauce Gardener's trending in the right direction. The Giants could be getting two of their defensive backs back this week. The Texans had a lot of guys on the injury report, including Will Anderson and Kaimi Fairbairn. Their kicker is out and good news for the Seahawks, Ernest Jones, their linebacker. He was limited Sunday we are again we have a game in Europe, so we have a show at 9 a ninth. What was it, 8:30? I got to get back to the schedule. Sorry. 8:30am to 9:30am and then noon to one. Two shows, one hour each. YouTube.com fantasy football today 8:30 to 9:30 and noon to one. We'll be right back with one question for each game.

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[Heath]

Well, this is going to be different for me than it is for Jamie, but I would go lad, then Keenan, then dk, then Quentin, then Calvin Austin.

[Adam]

Okay. Jamie has stepped away momentarily. He should be right back. But for Heath, it is.

[Heath]

I think he already gave us his ranking of all of them, and Annie publishes them on the website.

[Adam]

Well, okay, I guess we won't do a show then.

[Heath]

No, but I think I could tell you.

[Jamie]

But he's here.

[Heath]

He's back now.

[Adam]

All right, Jamie, rank the wide receivers. In the Pittsburgh, Los Angeles game, we go.

[Jamie]

McConkey 1. Johnston, 2. Allen, 3. Metcalf 4. Austin, 5.

[Adam]

Okay. Yeah, quite different, but you both have McConkey 1.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Adam]

New England at Tampa Bay. This is an interesting game. Who is the best flex in this game? Heath. Okay. Sorry. Other than a Mecca? Buka. No, he. He strikes me as the. The only. Am I missing something? Is he the only must start in this game because the Patriots have a great run defense, and it looked like Rashad White kind of lost some of his role last week to Sean Tucker. So is there anyone other than a Mecca? That's a better question. Is there anyone other than a Mecca Buka, who's an obvious start in this game?

[Heath]

Heath, I can't imagine sitting Rashad White this week. Like, I know it's a terrible matchup, but you guys are Ken Walker over him.

[Jamie]

So it's a terrible matchup on one hand, and it's a great matchup on the other. If. If you look at it from what White could do, and it's format specific, so the Patriots give up the most receptions to running backs with 50. And the last month, I believe it is. It's been awful. Like, they can't stop guys. Now, granted, it's been some pretty good ones, but this is where White has to win. He has to win catching the ball because he's not going to have success running. He hasn't had success success running the ball, which is why I think they pivoted to Tucker against the Saints in their last game. So I would look at it as he's a number two running back in PPR and he's a borderline number two running back because of the weak flex option in non ppr. And I think it's still number two running back and half p. But it's not going to be because he's getting you 60 plus rushing yards on the ground at that might be the best case scenario. Yeah.

[Adam]

I also wonder if he lost his goal line role because they were using Tucker there last week. All right, Baltimore's at Minnesota. I'll give this one to Heath. Do you prefer Jordan Addison or a Vikings running back? Ooh.

[Heath]

So I think in half ppr, it would be Aaron Jones. In full ppr, I will go with Aaron Jones work.

[Adam]

What if Jones doesn't play? How would this. Would this change?

[Heath]

Yeah, I wouldn't want to start Aaron Jones anymore. I would probably have Mason ahead of Addison. Yes.

[Adam]

All right. Atlanta at Indianapolis in Germany. Jamie starter said Drake London if Sauce Gardner plays.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I'm still starting him. I mean, he had to deal with Christian Gonzalez for part of the game last week and he still came through. Like, I, I don't. I'm not getting cute with him at this point. He's. He's just too good. Okay.

[Heath]

And do we know for sure that the Colts will have sauce Garden?

[Adam]

No, we do not. Jacksonville's at Houston Heath, can you trust Nico Collins, who I believe is wide receiver? 24 ish per game with Davis Mills.

[Heath]

I must start wide receiver.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

Buffalo at Miami. Jamie starter sit Khalil Shakir Dolphins allow the fewest fantasy points to wide receivers.

[Jamie]

He's just, I, I think I just. When I start my rankings every week, wide receiver, I just put him at 30. Doesn't matter the week, doesn't matter what the opponent. Like, he's just 30. He's just the. The prototypical number three wide receiver. Like 11 PPR points is the floor. If he scores a touchdown, he's gonna be better than that. But that's kind of just where he lives.

[Adam]

Okay. He has scored, I want to say 11 or more PPR fantasy points in 20 of his last 25 healthy games dating back to last year.

[Jamie]

And he had 4 for 45 and a touchdown against them in the first meeting.

[Adam]

Okay. Cleveland is at the Jets. Do we consider Garrett Wilson Who I want to say has scored 14 or more PPR fantasy point or 19 or more for PPR fantasy points in four games this year. Heath, is he just back to being just a stud top 12 guy?

[Heath]

Yeah, he's behind London, he's behind Nico, but he's a number two wide receiver. I'll probably have him a little bit higher if Todd Taylor starts because there will be more passes. But Taylor's also been less efficient as a passer, so not much higher. And it's not a great matchup, you.

[Adam]

Know, it hasn't been that hard of a matchup though. They don't, they don't shadow with their best cornerback ever. They've allowed the second most completions of 20 or more yards over the last four games. Five weeks, five through eight, they've been struggling a little bit. I think they're 19th. Cleveland against wide receivers, which surprised me, but that pass rush could, could really wreck the game. All right, football fans, picture this. You bet on your favorite player to score the first touchdown in the game, but his teammate scores instead. Now, if this happens, BETMGM wants to give you another chance at the end zone. With BetMGM's second chance promotion, you'll get your stake back if your first touchdown scorer scores second instead. So that's right, you bet on any pro football player to score the first touchdown of the game. If you're right, you win. If your player scores second, you get your stake back in cash. With BetMGM's second chance offer, you have a chance to keep the fun going after the first player crosses the goal line. Try a first touchdown scorer wager with confidence today. Bet mgm make it legendary. And we get into the games and I feel like this Chargers are always the team that takes like 10 minutes to preview.

[Heath]

Well, thankfully we've already talked to about them for about 15 minutes.

[Adam]

Yeah. So I agree. I don't think we have to talk about Quentin Johnston. We don't have to talk about DK Metcalf. Lab. McConkey is a guy you're going to start.

[Jamie]

So.

[Adam]

By the way, I was surprised to see that these two teams are both top 13 in points per game and the Steelers are actually higher. Steelers are 10th in points per game. Good for them. Chargers are 13th. We talked about all the Joe Alt stuff. So how about Keaton Allen? You know one, one thing I like about Keenan Allen is that his target share is still pretty solid, but they just haven't thrown the ball that much. However, teams always throw on the Steelers. Maybe we'll get Back to that. Heath, how do you feel about Keenan Allen this week?

[Heath]

The Most borderline wide receiver 2 wide receiver 3. Like he's.

[Jamie]

I.

[Heath]

The recent problems getting into the end zone and the lower pass volume makes him look like a really gross start. But we would expect more passes for the Chargers in this game and I do expect shorter passes for the Chargers due to the Steelers pass rush and the lack of Joe Alt. So that should be better for Keenan Allen.

[Jamie]

10 receivers. 10 have gotten over 15 PPR points against team.

[Adam]

Yeah, I think. I think 10 receivers also have more than 90 yards against this team, which is staggering. It just. It's just like with Quentin Johnston. I guess we are going to talk about him. This is his target share the last four games. 12 and a half 11.10 and 17.9. That's Quentin Johnson's target share. It's just tough to trust Jamie and.

[Heath]

That since that four games ago was when Orion de Gadson had his first game with a 75 snapshare or higher.

[Adam]

But you're. You're unmoved by that.

[Jamie]

Again. It's just the, the matchup. It's. It's there. I don't think that Vidal is going to have a lot of success running the ball. I don't think that Jared Patterson is going to have a lot of success running the ball. I think this is going to be a Justin Herbert game. And if you tell me he's going to throw the ball, I'm going to guess in the neighborhood of 40 times. Then there's going to be opportunities for all of these guys. Someone will be left out. It's going to happen on a week to week basis. It could easily be Johnston. I get it. But we've seen this team time and time again give up big plays down the field and this is where Johnston comes into play.

[Adam]

Okay, so you guys like Justin Herbert? He's top six for everyone. Give you the updated rankings. He is third for Jamie. He is. No, sorry. He's now down to eighth for Dave. But he's fourth for. He was six. Now he's eighth for Dave. He's fourth for Heath. So Jamie and Heath have Herbert.

[Heath]

He's probably falling a little bit for me this afternoon, but he'll still be a start.

[Adam]

All right. If he struggles in this game then I do think that we're gonna have to really evaluate with and without the Joe all take. Maybe take it a little bit more seriously. But is a Great matchup. Steelers 26 against quarterbacks. You keep saying it that you don't like Kamani Vidal. Would you start Kamani Vidal, Jamie, or Ken Walker?

[Jamie]

Still Vidal. I mean, at least there's the hope of him doing something. Ken Walker is just at this point giving us enough of a sample size that no involvement in the passing game and very little touchdown potential. So hopefully Vidal can do something. But you just look at what the Steelers did against Jonathan Taylor, holding him to 7.7 PPR points. Now, the two games prior to that, both packers running backs over 11 PPR points. Chase Brown had 12 points. So I think that's probably the best case scenario for him is sort of in that 12, 13 PPR point per game range. PPR point range. Based on the week, he's still a number two running back.

[Adam]

Okay, does anybody like Jalen Warren this week? How do we feel about him?

[Heath]

He's a start number two high end, number two running back.

[Jamie]

Okay, he has not been running well, but there's still the catch potential and the touchdown potential.

[Adam]

Yeah, last week he really struggled and he's not. He's not catching the ball that much. He has two catches in three of his last four games. But it's hard to. It's hard to sit Jalen Warren lead running back for this team. Chargers, man, they've had a roller coaster of a year as a run defense. They were great. Then they were terrible then. Week eight, they were great. Week nine, they were bad. So we'll, you know, start them for the year.

[Heath]

They're giving up 4.96 yards per carry to running backs in three of their last five games. They've given up more than six.

[Adam]

I know.

[Heath]

Last week they go up 4.8. So they've had one good game in terms of efficiency in their last five.

[Adam]

And I did a big breakdown on this a few weeks ago, though. They were missing a lot of key run defenders. They're all back now. And then they, oh, lo and behold, they were great in week eight. So I was like, okay, they're good again. And then they stunk in week nine, so it got very confusing.

[Jamie]

But when you stick against the Titans, that's not good.

[Adam]

Yeah, exactly. But with that said, Jalen Warren, I know you're going to start McConkey over him. Would you start any other wide receiver in this game over Warren?

[Heath]

No.

[Adam]

Okay, that's good context there. Real quick. We'll, we'll get to Gadsden in a minute. But are you starting a Steelers tight end? They've been pretty involved. Tough matchup, though.

[Heath]

Don't know which one.

[Adam]

All of them?

[Jamie]

Yeah. No, it's like the team tight end.

[Adam]

Yeah, yeah. There you go.

[Heath]

It's like the reverse of the Chargers. We know one of them is going to be bad. We know one of the Steelers tight end is going to be good.

[Adam]

But Darnell Washington did miss practice. We'll keep an eye on that, but I don't think it's going to change much. And Aaron Rodgers sit this week.

[Jamie]

Yes. Yeah.

[Adam]

Okay. All right. Arande Gadston. Heath, how much do you like Irande Gadsden?

[Heath]

I think I moved him down to 8 this morning, but he's a start.

[Adam]

Jamie, how much do you like around a Gaston?

[Jamie]

Very similar range in terms of ranking. It's just. Why would you get away from him at this point?

[Adam]

I. I mean, I'll give you pros and cons. Pro. He's awesome. He's been really good pro. Steelers are allowing the third most fantasy points to tight ends.

[Jamie]

Khan.

[Adam]

They actually did a great job against Tyler Warren last week when they moved Jalen Ramsey to safety. I have no idea if that's a coincidence. Also, Warren was open for a touchdown. Ball got deflected. But he had five catches for 26 yards on seven targets. Here's the other con. Irani Gadsden has a target per out run rate of 18.8% or less in three straight games. So he's been relying on remarkable efficiency and a high catch rate. So that's. That's all I can muster up. No, but seriously, he's. He's got the same issue that any of the Chargers pass catchers have. It's. It is a crowded receiving room.

[Jamie]

Except his month has been consistent.

[Adam]

Yep. Okay. So would you start Iran a Gadston or. I think I saw a Dallas Goddard in there.

[Jamie]

Gatson.

[Heath]

But I like both Gadston.

[Adam]

Okay, we got some good questions in the chat.

[Jamie]

So I. I would go Goddard over Gadsden if A.J. brown is out.

[Adam]

Interesting. Herbert or Bonix?

[Jamie]

Herbert. But I like both.

[Heath]

I'm probably going to move her behind Nick's today.

[Jamie]

Sorry.

[Adam]

Gadsden or Kittle?

[Jamie]

I would not want to drop Kittle for Gaston, but I would start Gaston over Kiddo if I had both. Last.

[Heath]

Last. Last. Stand for George Kittle.

[Jamie]

I'll go get him.

[Adam]

They're gonna have to throw more this week. I'm convinced. The Niners. Rogers or Mac Jones?

[Jamie]

Mac Jones.

[Heath]

Mac. If he plays. If Purdy's not back.

[Adam]

Yeah. DK Metcalf or Quentin Johnston?

[Jamie]

Johnston for me.

[Heath]

DK for me.

[Adam]

Johnston or Kamani Vidal? Half PPR Johnson. I've Got Vidal Gadsden or Kamani Vidal? Ppr.

[Heath]

Fine, I've got Vidal.

[Adam]

All right, let's move on. Oh, Chargers dst. Do you like them?

[Jamie]

Low end starter.

[Adam]

All right, let's move on to New England at Tampa Bay. So yeah, sorry, Thomas there, I screwed you up. The total is 45 and a half. Jamie, do you think this is a good game for fantasy?

[Jamie]

I hope so. You know, I, I think you got two quarterbacks that are playing well. Both at some point this season have been in the MVP conversation. You have the Bucks coming off their bye week. Their offensive line is getting healthier, but clearly the skill positions not as much because Bucky and Godwin not expected to play so. And obviously Mike Evans is. Is still out. The Patriots, I don't think the Bucks defense is going to stop. Drake may, they may make things difficult on their run game, but I don't think you're looking at the running backs. To me, both the running backs this game are most. The, the most promising thing for them is their role in the passing game. So we saw it for Henderson last week. I think that will be consistent as long as Ramandre Stevenson is out and I'll expect him to play this week. And in the case of Rashad White, like I said, the. The Patriots have really struggled against pass catching running backs lately.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And so have the Bucks. They allow the most receiving yards to running backs on a per game basis. So that's hope these run defenses are good, but they're vulnerable in the passing game. That's hopefully where these guys are going to make their hay. Assuming Ramandre Stevenson and Bucky Irving are out, which running back do you prefer, Henderson or White?

[Jamie]

White. For me right now it's white, but I'm. They're going to be closer than they are right now. I think I have White ranked a little bit too high. But you know, I like to do this and just look at what guys have done with just their past catching totals alone. So against the Bucks, five running backs have scored at least 7.1 PPR points against Tampa Bay with just the receiving totals alone. So that's five getting you to at least 7.1 with the floor. And then for White, the last, the last four games for Tampa Bay and this is against New Orleans, Tennessee, Cleveland and Atlanta. 32 catches allowed to running backs. Yeah.

[Adam]

All right, we're going to play a new game here. It's called this will be great. It's called Sit. Reluctant start, excited start. Do we need any more categories or does that cover It.

[Jamie]

Is there a tie?

[Adam]

There's no ties.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

So I'm going to give you a player and you tell me. Sit. Reluctant start. Excited start. Drake May.

[Heath]

Excited start.

[Jamie]

Excited start.

[Adam]

Travion Henderson.

[Jamie]

Reluctant start.

[Heath]

Yeah. I mean, this week, I'm pretty excited to have him.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Terrell Jennings. Rashad White.

[Jamie]

Reluctant start.

[Heath]

I. I've got.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Heath]

I'm actually excited to start, I guess.

[Adam]

Wow. Okay. Sean Tucker.

[Jamie]

Sit.

[Adam]

Stefan Diggs.

[Jamie]

Reluctant start. Yeah.

[Adam]

Any other Patriots wide receiver, Assuming Booty's out.

[Jamie]

No. No.

[Adam]

Hunter Henry.

[Jamie]

Sit.

[Heath]

He's right on the border of sit and reluctant start. I might actually have him as.

[Jamie]

Very.

[Heath]

Very close, but probably a situation.

[Jamie]

Been a bad month for him, and he's been terrible on the road.

[Adam]

Yeah. The thing is, there's only been two games this year where Drake May's thrown more than 30 passes, so I'm really hoping that we can get some points in this. In this game and they can actually throw more, but I know. I don't know. I'm not so sure it's going to happen. Baker Mayfield.

[Jamie]

Reluctant start.

[Heath]

Sure.

[Adam]

And we did there.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

A Mecca. Buca.

[Jamie]

Excited start.

[Heath]

Yep.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Finally. Tez Johnson.

[Jamie]

Reluctant start. Yeah.

[Adam]

Tess Johnson or Stefan Diggs?

[Jamie]

Yes. Dig. Slightly ahead of Tez Johnson. It. Booties up. Yep.

[Adam]

Tez. Sterling Shepard. Sit, sit, sit. Okay, here we go. This one's interesting. Cade Otten.

[Heath]

Reluctant start.

[Adam]

Excited, excited start. Heath. Great matchup. Come on. Let's go. Come on.

[Jamie]

It's such a great week for. It's so funny how running back sucks. Receivers sort of closer to suck than it is to great. Tight end is amazing.

[Adam]

Yeah, Great. I love it. Well, it's Kate Otten. I don't know. I seem to have a soft spot for. For Kate Otten here, but, yeah, I.

[Heath]

Mean, he's probably gonna score between 8 and 12 PPR fantasy points.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's.

[Jamie]

That's.

[Heath]

I'm gonna start him.

[Adam]

Okay. That's what he's done four straight weeks. Actually, he had eight. Eight to 13 and a half PPR fantasy points four straight weeks for Kate Otten. As of yesterday, was only 59 rostered. I haven't checked this morning. Patriots. Six tight ends have scored 11.3 or more fantasy points against the Patriots thus far. All right, so, like we mentioned, Wanda Robinson, the ultimate flex. Khalil Shakir, the guy you just market, number 30 overall. Right. How many of the wide receivers in this game, other than Abuka, would you start over those guys? Let's start. Let's do. Shakir, would you start anyone? Other than Abuka over Shakir, I have.

[Jamie]

Diggs and Tez Johnson slightly ahead of him.

[Heath]

I would start Shakir and Robinson over any wide receiver besides Abuka in this game.

[Jamie]

I'm sorry. I have Robinson ahead of all these guys. I have Tez and Dig slightly ahead of Shakir.

[Adam]

All right, so it's. This game is a lot of reluctant starts. That's kind of what. What I find interesting about it. Because this week, this game in particular.

[Jamie]

No, but this week is. Right. Like, this game is the epitome of this week. It's. It's like there's. It's always interesting to me when you have. I like or love the quarterbacks, but I don't like or love the weapons.

[Heath]

Yeah, well, you know what the problem is?

[Jamie]

I'm sorry?

[Heath]

You know what the problem is? The Cowboys and Bingles aren't playing.

[Adam]

Yes, very true. A hundred percent. Yeah. It's a big deal. We missed you. All right. Would you start Daniel Jones or Baker Mayfield?

[Jamie]

Would you rather have the ability to start Jamar Chase, CD Lamb and all the star players from the Bengals and the Cowboys or the ability to play your players against the Bengals and the Cowboys defense?

[Adam]

Yes, the first option, but just barely. Would you rather have Drake May this week or Justin Herbert?

[Jamie]

Nate.

[Adam]

Okay. Baker Mayfield or Caleb Williams against the Giants?

[Jamie]

Caleb.

[Heath]

I've got Baker one spot higher.

[Adam]

Sam Darnold against Arizona or Baker Mayfield?

[Jamie]

Baker.

[Heath]

Baker.

[Adam]

Let's see what the chat is saying. Let's. That's not Rashad White or Kyle Menangai if DeAndre Swift plays. Great question.

[Heath]

White.

[Jamie]

And PPR Manangaya in the other formats.

[Adam]

Baker or Stafford against the Niners?

[Jamie]

Stafford. Yep.

[Adam]

Rashad White. Tez Johnson or Jacoby Myers?

[Jamie]

Rashad White.

[Heath]

Yep.

[Adam]

White or Kamani Vidal? Kate Otten or Colson Loveland?

[Jamie]

I have Loveland, the head of Otten by one spot.

[Heath]

Probably depends on whether Cole Comet gets out of gushing protocol, right?

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

I think a guy limited practice on Wednesday means he's making progress.

[Adam]

Otten or Juwan Johnson? Tez Johnson or Demario Douglas?

[Jamie]

Tess.

[Heath]

Tess.

[Adam]

And I'm gonna say like this. The Patriots really have. Not this kind of. Like what I said about the Chargers earlier, the Patriots have not really stopped any good wide receivers. So I mean that. So that's for a Buca. But also, I don't know. I mean, Tess Johnson, I think has been pretty good. I know last week was bad, but that's because Baker Mayfield threw for something like 150 yards in their last game, and he still had five catches of 43 yards on six targets. All right, I. I seem to be. For whatever it's worth, I seem to just like Tez Johnson and Kate Otten more than everyone. See, if I. I'm on to anything.

[Heath]

Well, we've got Tez Johnson ranked as a top. Like, I think he's top 26 for me.

[Adam]

Oh, he is. Okay, good. Good.

[Heath]

And Kate's a top 10 tight end for both of us.

[Adam]

All right. I guess I'm just making the case a lot more, but I. I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm not.

[Heath]

You're very enthusiastic.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Listen, there's a few leagues where I would love to start both those guys, and in the case of K Dot, and I'm starting him as a flex in tandem with another tight end because I think the tight ends are just better than a lot of the receivers.

[Heath]

Sure.

[Adam]

All right, let's take a break. We got five games left. We'll be right back on fft. It's football season and you gotta keep up with the action. Listen in to Pushing the Pile, part of CBS Sports Podcast Network with Mike Renner, Kyle Long, and now me, JP.

[Jamie]

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[Adam]

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[Heath]

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[Adam]

Ravens at the Vikings start Jackson, Derrick Henry or Quinton Judkins.

[Jamie]

I like Judkins better, but it's close.

[Heath]

I think I've got Henry Hur.

[Adam]

Would you start Ray Davis over Derrick Henry if James Cook were out?

[Jamie]

No, no. But it would not be far apart.

[Adam]

Derek Henry's about 12th in PPR. You know, look, he's. He's run well. He ran well last week. Minnesota's got it. You know what Derek Henry is. I'm sure he'll be averaging six yards.

[Heath]

Per carry when Lamar Jackson plays.

[Adam]

No, it's a good stat. I like that.

[Heath]

Just play them.

[Adam]

Yeah, play them. Okay. Zay Flowers. You guys just check the updated rankings, but you all have them in your top 12, I believe.

[Heath]

Must start.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Fifth. You have fifth. What? Fifth?

[Heath]

We don't have time to spend time on Zay Flowers. We're all starting them.

[Adam]

We do have time. We. We should start this discussion here because he's overrated.

[Jamie]

Squeaky there.

[Adam]

This is. This is a shoulder razor here. I mean, he's. I know. He's telling. What's the difference?

[Jamie]

You guys wearing the same shirt, just different colors.

[Adam]

Similar. Similar patterns. Yeah, I don't know.

[Heath]

What's the difference between three quarter sleeve.

[Adam]

No, full sleeve.

[Jamie]

Oh, no.

[Heath]

Yeah, that's true.

[Adam]

He's not that different than Teterell McMillan.

[Jamie]

How did I not notice this before?

[Adam]

Okay, here. Here is a. Flowers points with Lamar Jackson, 28.1 at Buffalo, 14.9 against Cleveland, 3.3 against Detroit, 14.4 at Kansas City, and 11.4 at Miami. So one game with more than 15 fantasy points. Only one bad game. Just can't, you know, six. All right.

[Jamie]

Okay. What's the.

[Heath]

What's the purpose of this?

[Adam]

Well, because that's an aggressive ranking. Even. I think even 12 is an aggressive ranking. That's where Jamie has Zay Flowers.

[Heath]

I understand.

[Adam]

Okay, I don't think you understand. Well, I think you do, but you're ignoring it. All right, Mark Andrews or Kate Otten?

[Jamie]

Andrew's a non pbr.

[Adam]

All right, Andrew's. Yeah, look, he's got a score. Minnesota's 21st against tight ends. They've actually been pretty bad. Tight end scored 18 points, 18.7 or more fantasy points against Minnesota in three of the last four games. That would be Najoku, Gadsden and La Porta. Okay, who are some. You'd start. Would you start both Browns tight ends over Mark Andrews?

[Heath]

Yes, I would start Phantom, but not in Joker.

[Adam]

All right. Dave is kind of high on JJ McCarthy. He's got him 14th Heath has McCarthy 23rd and Jamie has him 18th. Yes. Dave's actually moving down to 16th. Excuse me. So he's a sit. But the question is, will they throw? And I just try to dig into it. Why is he not throwing? He's got 25 or fewer pass attempts in all three games. Week one, high run rate, low pass rate. This was a game they were actually trailing. Remember, he orchestrated that comeback, but they just weren't throwing. It was his first game ever. Week two, they actually had a decent pass rate in week two.

[Jamie]

And he got hurt in that game, though.

[Adam]

When did he get hurt?

[Jamie]

I do not know the answer to that. But that's the game where he suffered.

[Heath]

The ankle spring but finished it.

[Adam]

Yeah, but they just. They only ran 46 plays in that game and they had the ball for 23 minutes and 28 seconds, but they had a 59% pass rate, which was middle of the pack that week. Last week they had a 51% pass rate, which isn't good. But he had nine carries and I think they didn't really run the ball that much. They. He dropped back a decent amount. He just ran a lot. So that's always going to be a problem too. But anyway, try to avoid JJ McCarthy.

[Heath]

The takeaway is there's three weeks, three different reasons why they didn't throw a lot of passes.

[Adam]

Except one week they had a high pass rate or average pass rate. And the. And when he hasn't been the quarterback, they've had a very high pass rate. So they're protecting him. It could be that. Also remember weeks one and two, they didn't have their tackles, you know, so they do now. And maybe they're going to have to throw the ball against Baltimore, who scores a ton of points. It's really. This is a, this is a Jordan Addison discussion as well, because I know you're going to start Jefferson, but we obviously need pass volume for Addison, for Hawkinson.

[Jamie]

And look, to be fair, their defense played amazing last week.

[Adam]

Yeah. All right. So, Jamie, talk to me about the running back situation for Minnesota. Aaron Jones has really been dominating carries and touches since he came back.

[Jamie]

It was one game.

[Adam]

No, two games. Two games. You get the Thursday night game.

[Jamie]

Oh, I'm sorry, he left the half game. Yeah. Excuse me. One and a half games. Yeah, you're right. He's. He's definitely been the, the primary guy. I think in the case of Jones, if he plays, you view him as a number two running back for this week. I would start him over. Ken Walker, for example. I Would start him over Vidal and ppr. I'd start him over Rashad White. No, I'd rather have Rashad White.

[Adam]

Okay. And if Jones is out?

[Jamie]

If Jones is out, then I think Mason's a number two running back in the Vidalis range of, you know, right around RB20, but not great just because of the week.

[Adam]

All right. We talked about addison. He's about 30th for Jamie and Heath Hawkinson is a sit only three targets last week.

[Jamie]

Three targets just the last two weeks.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

He does not have a game with 50 receiving yards yet.

[Adam]

Okay, and then anything else to talk about here? I don't think so, no. I'll give you just a few. McCarthy McCarthy or Mariota?

[Heath]

Mario.

[Jamie]

Mario.

[Adam]

You guys have McCarthy and Jordan love back to back. Jamie with love, one spot ahead. Oh, no, I'm sorry. I'm looking at Dave. Dave has McCarthy one spot. I had to love Heath. How about you, lover or McCarthy?

[Heath]

Yeah, McCarthy's 24th.

[Adam]

All right.

[Heath]

So I'm just sitting.

[Adam]

Okay, fair enough. I think we can probably go to the next game, see if I have anything good in the chat here. Jordan Addison or J.K. dobbins. That's a good one. Dobbins standard scoring. Aaron Jones if he plays or Stefan Diggs.

[Jamie]

Standard. I probably would go digs.

[Heath]

I. I'd probably still go digs. Yeah, even I got Jones is probably still going to have like 40 of the Vikings Russia jumps and when we.

[Jamie]

Saw it early in the season he was losing goal line work and Diggs at least is finding the end zone.

[Adam]

Jordan Addison or Tedro McMillan? There you go. Lamar Jackson or Jackson Dart?

[Jamie]

Lamar.

[Adam]

Lamar. Come on. Brosie Brosum. All right, next game. Oh, do you like the Ravens dst?

[Jamie]

Yes, and love them for their schedule. Like I actually in a 10 team league last night dropped the Broncos DSD. Who I have ranked higher to pick up the Ravens DST because the Broncos get the Chiefs next week and then a buy and the Raven schedule is fantastic. So this week is, I still think favorable because McCarthy I don't necessarily trust him. And then you get believe in some order the jets and the Browns perfect.

[Adam]

Buffalo's at Miami. You like the Bills dst?

[Jamie]

Yes, like but not love. Reluctant start reluctance.

[Adam]

You see this is. It's a nice game. It's a nice game. We can add it to the rotation stat of the game. Miami sees.

[Jamie]

Can't wait to ask Dave that question.

[Adam]

14 wide receiver targets per game. 14 wide receiver targets per game. That is the fewest in the NFL and they allow the fewest fantasy points to wide receivers. They've also allowed 59 yards, 59 yards or a touchdown to a tight end in seven of nine games. So does anything that I said right there make you move Khalil Shakir down from his typical spot at 30 to something in the 37 or later range? For Shakir?

[Jamie]

No. He owns the 30th spot. Like that's his parking spot. Like there's no. There's nobody taking it from him.

[Heath]

Yeah, I. I don't know. I. It's not entirely like they've played some good wide receivers who've had good games. They have played two of their last three games against the Browns and Falcons without Drake London. I just don't really believe that the Dolphins are actually good against wide receivers.

[Adam]

It's not the word I'd use. It's that everybody runs all over them and throws the tight. They're so bad against tight ends that it sometimes leads to Zay Flowers having five catches for 64 yards on five targets. How about Khalil Shakir himself? Four catches for 45 yards and a touchdown on four targets. Last time you played the Dolphins. So it's just 14 targets per game for wide receivers. That's insanely low. That's what the Dolphins are seeing. All right. Just throwing that out there. Dalton Kincaid, is he a must start this week?

[Jamie]

He's a start top five ten.

[Adam]

Yeah. I knew Jamie was quite high on him. He's not quite as high.

[Heath]

He's. I mean, he's. I'm starting him.

[Adam]

Okay, you have ninth. All right. We like Kincaid. All right, so just start Josh Allen now, James Cook, if he plays. Absolutely. This is an amazing matchup. Where do you think you'll rank Ray Davis? Are you confident that Ray Davis, who had 20 carries and three catches in one game without Cook last year. Jamie, are you confident that he will have that workhorse role? Ty Johnson will obviously factor in on passing downs, but what about running downs and where would you rank him if James Cook were out?

[Jamie]

I would rank Ray Davis somewhere around 15. So behind the. The last remaining must start guys for this week and ahead of the Vidals, the Rashad Whites this week. The probably going to be messy Bear situation, but one of those guys may be ahead of him. But in that range, I think the, the biggest question is I already saw one comment in the chat we were talking about earlier. Like Ty Johnson is going to get his chances, but Ty Johnson is going to play on passing down situations. They're going to give Ray Davis the running down opportunities. At least that's why I would anticipate it. And so against Miami, where they're probably playing with the lead like this feels like a Ray Davis game.

[Heath]

I'd be more skeptical against almost any other defense.

[Adam]

Yeah, right. It's such a big matchup.

[Heath]

But he, he does have five more carries than Ty Johnson this year. I would expect a committee.

[Adam]

Okay. On the other side of the ball, we're going to sit to a tongue of iloa. The Bills are second best against quarterbacks. We're going to sit Greg Dulcich. The Bills are great against tight ends. And then the Dolphins, I mean they're basically the easiest team. It's start HN who like to me it doesn't feel like Achan's having this amazing year, but he's actually RB5 per game in PPR are we 8 per game and non PPR 6 per game and half PPR start HN Jalen Waddle is top 12. I think maybe 13th for Jamie. So start Jalen Waddle and that's pretty much it. I got a few chat questions here. By the way. Heath, I would love let's do a waddle vs flowers bet this week with no stakes. Like we always have, like no stakes.

[Jamie]

I think the. The loser has to wear the other shirt that the winner is wearing today.

[Heath]

Well, I don't think. I don't think that shirt would fit on me.

[Adam]

A three quarter sleeve shirt for Heath would be a sleeve shirt for me. That's true.

[Heath]

Maybe it is this. Maybe it is the same shirt.

[Adam]

Oh, man. Pick two in full ppr.

[Jamie]

Jameson will question Adam, since you guys are wearing the same shirt and I know you're colorblind. Can you tell what color Heath is wearing?

[Adam]

No. So it looks like either two shades of gray or two shades of blue to me, but more likely gray.

[Heath]

I think it's one of each.

[Adam]

Oh, okay.

[Heath]

Thank you.

[Adam]

Picked. This is an interesting question, right? Because you've got safety versus upside and but floor jamo. Shakir Slayton. Pick two. Jameson Williams. Khalil Shakir, Darius Slayton.

[Jamie]

We go with Shakira and Slayton.

[Heath]

That's what I have.

[Adam]

Waddler Flowers.

[Heath]

Why would go with flowers?

[Jamie]

Flowers.

[Adam]

Okay, the bed is on Ray Davis if Cook sits or AJ Brown.

[Jamie]

I'm gonna guess we're going into Sunday with AJ Brown as questionable and not knowing his status fully for Monday. So I'll take the. The cheat code. Say Davis.

[Adam]

Kincaid or Gadsden. Oh, great question.

[Jamie]

Kincaid for me, but I like both.

[Heath]

I think I'll Move concate ahead.

[Adam]

Okay. Man, what great stats I gave on Kincaid yesterday. No one cared. Jacksonville.

[Heath]

I didn't. I didn't. I don't remember hearing them.

[Adam]

What, you. You poo pooed them over.

[Jamie]

He's like, hey, we're gonna have Jacob on. Jacob, you got 30 seconds to give all your stats. Go, guys.

[Adam]

It's not what happened at all.

[Heath]

It was pretty rude oak.

[Adam]

Stop, Jack.

[Heath]

I think he actually sat behind backstage longer than he was on the show.

[Jamie]

Oh, for sure.

[Adam]

He was on for 15, at least 10 minutes. Here are your 15.

[Jamie]

And the best part of that was, hey, guys, Jacob's gonna come on with us. If you have to go, I get it. You know, we're gonna have a lot of people on the show. Dave. Yeah, I'm gonna go. All right. Dave's gotta go right now. No, I'm gonna stay.

[Adam]

Oh, I feel like I skipped a game. By the way, what happened to.

[Heath]

Yeah, seems like you did.

[Adam]

Oh, damn. I didn't put this.

[Heath]

We should go back and do the Chargers and Steelers again.

[Adam]

No, we got to do a very important one. Oh, man, this really screws up everything for me because I was pacing toward a. All right, Atlanta. We got to do Atlanta at Indianapolis. This is a huge. This is a tough game.

[Heath]

And then we have three more games after that.

[Adam]

I think two more after that. Then we have more. Jacksonville, Houston, and Cleveland and Jets. We can knock those out. Atlanta at Indianapolis.

[Jamie]

What's funnier? Thomas in the private chat or Johnny Airport in the main chat?

[Adam]

Johnny. I don't know what either is saying, but it's. It's Johnny Airport. All right, I forgot to put this game in the notes. I'm sorry. Let's get to our German. German game here. Atlanta and Indianapolis. Jamie, not a dome. Break this one down.

[Jamie]

Not a dome the entire game.

[Adam]

You just give me the. The. The overview. Who you like, who. Who we sitting.

[Jamie]

I think Daniel Jones is a low end starter at best in the partial dome that he's playing in in Berlin. I do think that the Falcons. You talk about this with a couple of teams already about, like, what the numbers are versus what the reality is. I don't think their past defense is as good lately as it has been earlier in the season as we saw, you know, Drake May only had 20 fantasy points, but I think Daniel Jones can only have 20 fantasy points as well and still be in that low end starting range. If you can sit him, you can't. If you can say them, it's not a bad idea. But I don't Think someone you run away from. Michael Pittman must start. I like Josh Downs better than Alec Pierce. Number three receivers at best. But I think Downs, especially in the way this defense plays, I think he'll have an opportunity to get some targets still and still be productive. Tyler Warren, still a low end starter. Falcons have been really good against tight ends when I'm still starting him and then obviously starting Bijan Robinson. I'm sorry, you're obviously starting John Taylor for the Falcons. You're obviously starting Bijan Robinson, you're starting Drake London and you're starting Kyle Pitts. And I did come around a little bit. Adam, from our Tuesday conversation, I think Michael Penix is a. Is a okay start. Not a great start, but not a. Not, not a bad pivot player. Stuck a quarterback this week, like I would start him over Aaron Rodgers. I start him over two. I'd start him over Fields, for example. Mariota, I like Mariota slightly better. Okay, so it's. Of the guys we talked about on Tuesday, it's Mariota One panics too. Okay. And.

[Adam]

Pitts, you know, Pitts has a great matchup and London and Warren has the worst matchup for tight ends so far. Who do you like better? Heath pits, Jamie.

[Jamie]

I need to adjust my rankings right now. I have Warren higher, but it should be pits.

[Adam]

I guess the only thing I'll say in defense of Warren is that he's actually had a lot of tough matchups this year. He said five matchups against teams that are in the top 10 against opposing tight ends. And he's had three good games.

[Heath]

One of those with a rushing touchdown. Right.

[Adam]

Which one? No, I don't think so.

[Heath]

That wasn't his rushing touchdown game?

[Adam]

I don't think so. He was good against Denver. He struggled twice against Tennessee, although one game he had 9.3 points. Good against the Raiders and good against the Chargers.

[Heath]

Without the Rams were one of the tough matchups.

[Adam]

The Rams are 11th, so he's had six matchups against teams that are top 11 against tight ends, he's had a tough schedule and he's done pretty good. So that's why we're not saying it's an outright sit for Tyler Warren. But his. His targets have been kind of down lately, too. All right, Alec Pierce, Josh Downs versus Quentin Johnston. How are we feeling there?

[Heath]

I know, I know Jamie has them much higher. I don't. Yeah, I'm pretty low on Johnson and I definitely have him ahead of both of those guys.

[Adam]

Oh, all right.

[Jamie]

I think in the case of downs, Pierce is going to be big play dependent. And I don't know if we'll get that against the Falcons, but he might. But Boomer Bus, number three receiver, in the case of downs, I think you just kind of look and see if the pass rush is an issue for Daniel Jones. Once again, I think this is where downs benefits and this is kind of where I think Tyler Warren hurt gets hurt a little bit because as we've seen Down's production start to rise lately, Warren's production has kind of gone away a little bit. But I don't know. I think just number three is here.

[Adam]

So we start digs over them. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I would start things on these and are.

[Adam]

Okay. Jalen Waddle. We were worried about him a few weeks ago against the Falcons. The Dolphins had the best game they've had in like seven years. So he had a big game. For whatever reason, they did not shadow him with AJ Terrell, but when they have shadowed guys with AJ Terrell, it's been, it's been very successful for them. Are we worried about that with Pittman? Because I, I actually think there's a chance Pittman has a bad game. If they decide we're just going to put Terrell on him all game.

[Jamie]

It certainly could. But again, I think in the case of this week and the way he's played and how much Daniel Jones has leaned on him. Yeah, like you have to really be loaded in your, in your lineup to bench a guy like Pittman to bench a guy like London to bench. I don't know who else is potentially getting shadowed. Like, Trey Tucker is easy to get away from. Right. You know, if he's going to deal with. I know, not certain, but I mean, just a tough matchup, you know, like it's, it's just too hard to say you're benching these guys. Like, if there was no teams on a buy and everybody's healthy, then okay, yeah, maybe Pittman's not going to be as ranked as, as high as he should be or maybe even London too.

[Adam]

But I don't know if Brian Thomas Jr. Plays. I do think he'll be. He has a good chance to be shadowed by Stingley, who did shadow him last game until he left with an injury pretty early and shadowed him last year too, I believe.

[Jamie]

And, and, but that's a guy you can get away from, though, because of the matchup.

[Adam]

Yeah, I get away from it anyway, probably, but. All right, I think that's our next game. Unless there's anything else here. Probably should do some Daniel Jones or Daniel Jones or Jared Goff? Daniel Jones or Baker? Probably did that one earlier. Sorry, but Baker?

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Daniel Jones or Sam Darnold?

[Heath]

Donald Darnold.

[Adam]

All right, moving on to our next game. Jacksonville at Houston. This is a great stat from cbs.

[Jamie]

Are you sure?

[Adam]

Yes, CBS Sports research. The Texans are the number one scoring defense and the number one total defense in the NFL this season. No team in the super bowl era has finished number one in both categories and A missed the playoffs or B finished with a losing record. That's amazing. Is there anyone that you are excited to start in this game?

[Heath]

Nico made it running back this week. Edn.

[Adam]

Is that because this week stinks or because you think ETN is going to be good?

[Heath]

I think he's going to be good at the position for this week.

[Adam]

Do you think he will score more than 12 PPR fantasy points?

[Jamie]

Yeah. No.

[Adam]

You guys are 11.9. 11.9. This is a very good run defense. They give up 3.8 yards per carry. ETN's faced Houston. Look, he scored 11.6 against Houston with a touchdown last time. He is cashing the ball more though lately. That's key. Three or more catches in three of his last four games.

[Heath]

Zero catches in that game.

[Adam]

Brenton Strange probably played in that game.

[Jamie]

I am curious to see what happens if Nick Chubb is out. How Woody Marks does and what they do.

[Adam]

Yeah, and to Jacksonville's credit, they have a good run defense too. They give up, what, 3.64 yards per carry to running backs, but they do allow the fifth most receiving yards to the position.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I think there's an opportunity for Marks here as a most likely flex. I don't want to go back to saying he's a number two running back because that was a mistake last week as he had three targets and no catches. And there's a quarterback change. But the matchup is great. Especially Devin Lloyd remains out dealing with calf injury. Missed last two. So we could see Ashton Genti had five catches. Woody Marks clearly do that. And when he's been at his best, it's been because he's been involved in the passing game.

[Adam]

So who scores the most PPR fantasy points in this game? Including the quarterbacks?

[Heath]

Nico.

[Jamie]

Oh, for including the quarterbacks, I mean, I hope it's Trevor.

[Heath]

So I've got Trevor at 15.9. Yeah, Trevor's higher.

[Adam]

Okay. Yeah. Like Nico, you think Nico's gonna get to 14?

[Heath]

About 13.8. Is it in the projections?

[Adam]

All right. How can you be excited to start that? That's basically what he's at for the season. I'm not excited to start Nico Collins.

[Jamie]

If I gave you free tickets to this game. Yeah. Or Saints, Panthers.

[Adam]

Ooh. Oh, this game. Because my son, for whatever reason, is a Jaguars fan.

[Jamie]

Wow. I didn't know your people dead.

[Heath]

I. I just love to see. I'd like to know how many, like combined running backs, wide receivers and tight ends do you think are projected to score more than 14 fantasy points?

[Adam]

I don't know, but I wouldn't be excited about a guy that I'm projecting for 13.9 PPR fantasy points. Honestly, Nico is a reluctant start for me.

[Heath]

So there's. There's. What you mean by excited start is they are either top 12 at running back or wide receiver or top six at tight end.

[Adam]

What I mean by excited start is that I put them in my lineup and I feel really good about it.

[Jamie]

And I feel really good about the Texans DST this week.

[Adam]

Yeah, I feel good about that, too. I. I have Nico Collins in so many leagues. He's one of my most roster players. I am starting him in every league. I will not really tell anyone to sit Nico Collins, but it sucks because he's been a huge bust and he just. It just sucks. He's also been very close to touchdowns several times and they always throw to him near the end zone, so he could always score. Jacksonville's struggling against wide receivers. They're, you know. But. So he's a start, but I'm not excited about it. Parker Washington or Woody Marks?

[Jamie]

Marks for sure. If Chubb is out, I would probably lean toward Marks anyway just because I think the matchup's in his favor. And again, hopefully he's back involved in the passing game.

[Heath]

Yeah. Full PPR I've got at Washington for now.

[Adam]

Parker Washington or Jacoby Myers?

[Jamie]

Washington.

[Heath]

Washington.

[Adam]

Are you ranking Washington and Myers as if Brian Thomas Jr's out?

[Jamie]

Yep. Yes.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Heath]

They'll both go down, though, because we're also ranking him as if Diami Brown's out. And if you got a limited practice on Wednesday, he might run that as well.

[Adam]

If Brian Thomas Jr's plays, is he going to be in your top 24?

[Heath]

No, probably not.

[Adam]

Would you start? Did I ask you? Josh Downs versus these guys? Because I have a lot of.

[Jamie]

You've forgotten a lot of stuff today.

[Adam]

I've had a lot of Josh Downs in the chat and I feel like I skipped over him and people are curious. So I think it's worth mentioning, like.

[Heath]

How would Washington, Myers Downs.

[Jamie]

For me? Okay. I would go Downs Washington Myers.

[Adam]

All right. Travis ETN or Jameson Williams?

[Jamie]

Etn.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Travis ETN or Chris Olave?

[Jamie]

I'll take a Lava. Mppr. Yeah.

[Adam]

Travis ETN or DK Metcalf?

[Jamie]

Etn. All right.

[Adam]

I think we're done with this game.

[Jamie]

Are you sure?

[Adam]

I think so. Oh, Dalton Schultz. Nope, we're not done. Dalton Schultz. Starter. Sit.

[Jamie]

Jamie low end starter. I. I think if this was a week where the tight ends weren't so potentially good, he'd be a little bit higher. But not a must start guy, a reluctant start guy. But again, actually I'm gonna. I'm gonna do what we should just continue to do with all himself and he'll be okay. Every time we hype him up, up, he's. He's bad for the one time at least. But yeah, this is. This is, I think, a favorable matchup. We saw what Brock Bowers did, but it wasn't just Bowers. Tight ends have beaten up the Jaguars recently, so there's an opportunity for him to be heavily involved from Davis Mills and should be second on the team in targets behind Nico Console.

[Adam]

All right, Cleveland is at the Jets. Stat of the game.

[Jamie]

Oh, this game too. So Cleveland, Jets, Jags, Texans, Saints, Panthers.

[Adam]

I think I'd rather go. I'd rather go to the Met Opera than Cleveland at the Jets.

[Jamie]

You get free tickets to all three games, but you only pick one.

[Adam]

The Jaguars game, that's actually a big game, you know, in terms of standings. So I think I gotta. I gotta go with that one. All right, here's your stat of the game for Cleveland at the Jets. Let's look at the games or Breeze Hall's been good to Great. Pittsburgh, Miami, amazing matchup. Dallas, amazing matchup. And that is it. Oh, no. Cincinnati too. Sorry. He. He was great even without the touchdown pass. So. So Pittsburgh and then three amazing matchups. Miami, Dallas and Cincinnati. Bad games. Buffalo, Tampa Bay, Denver, Carolina. Three of those four. Really good run defense. Carolina has been kind of good lately. My point is Breeze hall has been very matchup dependent. Well, Cleveland has one of the best run defenses in football. They are second best against the position. They allow the fewest receiving yards per game to running backs. Anybody nervous about Breece Hall?

[Heath]

Excited start?

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

So excited. Man, if I could have Breeze hall on some of my teams.

[Adam]

So is he ahead of Travis etn?

[Jamie]

Yep. Yeah.

[Adam]

Derek Henry or Breeze Hall?

[Jamie]

Henry.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

James Cook out. Would you start Ray Davis or Breeze Hall?

[Jamie]

Great question. Probably still hall, but that's close.

[Adam]

Now you see where I'm going though, right? Like it's gotta be out of the back of your mind. It's got to be like, oh, this could be a bad one for pre Saul.

[Jamie]

And he's like, you gotta, you don't want to obviously factor in like what a player's psyche is. But like he wanted to get traded. He saw two of his teammates get traded and you know, not if it wasn't obvious. They're in a rebuild mode to begin with now. They just got rid of, you know, two quote unquote stars.

[Adam]

I'm sorry, Jamie has Judkins has RB9. Heath, you have Judkins RB16. You like him but not, not quite as much.

[Heath]

Yeah, I'll probably move him up just a little bit now that he's not on the injury report.

[Adam]

Okay, so we're gonna start the running backs in this game.

[Jamie]

He's my favorite player in this game.

[Adam]

Check ins over Wilson.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Heath]

He was already my favorite player in this game over Wilson before I move up. So yes, I agree.

[Adam]

You guys have Garrett Wilson ranked. Gotta spell Wilson crop properly. 14th and 15th. Dave has Garrett Wilson fourth. So it's weird. I mean this game kind of stinks, but there actually are some must start players in it. And then we get to the tie. I can't imagine we're going to start a Cleveland wide receiver.

[Jamie]

Although they have one.

[Adam]

I'll point out Cedric Tillman was not that bad. He's always better than Jerry Judy in terms of fantasy points.

[Jamie]

But we have not seen Tillman without Flacco.

[Adam]

Last year we did.

[Jamie]

But this year. Forget about last year. Nothing.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Well, last year he was.

[Heath]

I'm sorry, we don't have time.

[Jamie]

No, last year he was great with James Mason.

[Adam]

I'm not saying to start him, believe me. Mason Taylor, you guys don't really like him that much. Low end? No, number two tight end. So yeah, let's talk about Harold Fannin and David Najoku. Heath Gush, I think you should start.

[Heath]

Harold Fannin and I don't really want to start David Najoku. I would expect Fanon to be somewhere in that tight end 6ish range. Najoku might score a touchdown. Maybe he's healthy and now we have to flip the script again. But I just can't imagine after the buy season's over, like let's see the young guys more.

[Adam]

But they both play a lot, right? I mean.

[Jamie]

Yeah. So I think both are in play as starters.

[Adam]

I think to be honest with you, Fanon has only had one standout game with Dylan Gabriel and David Najoku. Healthy. And that was his most recent one because, remember, against Pittsburgh, Najoku left in the fourth quarter, and then Fannin had half of his production after that. So where do you have Fanon?

[Heath]

Heath, six.

[Adam]

Oh, aggressive. And Jamie, you have him seventh.

[Heath]

Well, I did forget this that you're. Tillman's been back. He's. He's been pretty good this year.

[Adam]

It's just that he's on Cleveland, you know, by the way, he's currently fourth on the. On the rankings page. You move him down to sixth, okay, he's probably.

[Heath]

He's gonna be in that four to six range. I'm starting Harold Fanon.

[Adam]

Guys, are you starting Fannin over Kittle?

[Heath]

Yes.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Kincaid or Fanon?

[Jamie]

Kincaid.

[Heath]

I'm gonna go Fanon.

[Adam]

Najoku or Schultz? Najoku or Loveland?

[Jamie]

Love them.

[Heath]

Loveland.

[Adam]

Najoku or Musgrave? All right, which DST do you like better?

[Jamie]

Browns are number one for me this week.

[Adam]

And yeah, Browns, jets are top eight for you guys too. Cleveland allows the most Fantasy points to DSTs. Jets just lost their two defensive best defensive players, though. Justin Fields, if he starts starter. Sit.

[Jamie]

Sit. Okay.

[Adam]

All right, that's it for the show. Not so bad. We'll talk to you. Yeah, wait till, wait till. Hey, who are your top three priorities on the waiver wire on Tuesday? Oh, Cedric Tillman's one, and we're gonna drop Harold Fannin. I'm looking into.

[Jamie]

I will wear your Star Trek shirt for a week straight if we say Cedric Tillman's number one player to add in.

[Adam]

Dude, that Star Trek shirt barely fits me. It's gonna be like a hat for you. I can't. It's so small, though. All right, thanks, everybody. We will talk. Talk to you tomorrow with the NFC home games. Enjoy Thursday Night Football and we'll see you later. Bye. Paramount Podcasts now streaming on Paramount. Plus Brandon was the full package. I felt like I met my guy. Stop.

[Jamie]

Stop.

[Adam]

Just stop talking.

[Jamie]

God. But he's not even close to the.

[Adam]

Person that I thought he was. When you do break up with Brandon.

[Jamie]

That is when the stalking begins.

[Adam]

I just knew something horrific was about to happen.

[Heath]

I saw the devil in his eyes.

[Adam]

We're gonna tell everyone what he did.

[Heath]

Don't date Brandon.

[Adam]

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