Start or Sit (AFC): Garrett Wilson, Khalil Shakir, David Njoku and More! (12/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today: Start or Sit (AFC) Episode Summary

Release Date: December 26, 2024

Introduction

In this episode of Fantasy Football Today, hosted by Adam Aizer alongside analysts Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, and Heath Cummings, the team delves deep into the critical "Start or Sit" decisions for AFC players following a weekend of unpredictable NFL action. The discussion is enriched with strategic insights, player performances, injury updates, and listener interactions, all aimed at helping fantasy managers optimize their lineups and secure bragging rights in their leagues.

Start or Sit Analysis

Garrett Wilson

The conversation begins with a heated debate over Garrett Wilson's status in fantasy lineups. Adam expresses skepticism: “I think two and two, but, man, I wouldn't want to lose both to you. That would be bad.” (02:35). Heath counters by emphasizing Wilson's target share and potential rebounds: “If you've been starting him, you're obviously starting him...you can debate Cortland Sutton versus Garrett Wilson." (08:29). The consensus leans towards keeping Wilson in the lineup due to his consistent target volume, especially against defenses prone to giving up fantasy points.

Khalil Shakir

Khalil Shakir's performance is scrutinized, with discussions about his reduced targets affecting his fantasy output. Dave notes, “He's had back to back really poor fantasy outings.” (06:10). However, given his role and potential upside in matchups against favorable defenses, Heath maintains faith in his capabilities, ranking him modestly but acknowledging the volatility.

David Njoku

David Njoku is another focal point, with concerns about his limited involvement impacting his fantasy value. Jamey remarks, “It's worth saying, because this is a week that even if it's your job to do this...he's a top eight running back in all formats.” (04:33). The panel debates Njoku's ceiling versus his current floor, ultimately advising caution but not outright dismissal.

Bo Nix

Bo Nix receives attention for being ranked variably across the analysts. Jamey shares his optimism: “Bo Nix has been a top performer in his recent games.” (37:43). The discussion revolves around his matchup against a stout Bengals defense and his ability to capitalize on limited opportunities, making him a viable starter for those confident in his hidden potential.

Injury Updates

The episode provides comprehensive injury reports affecting key fantasy decisions:

• Jalen Hurts remains in concussion protocol, impacting his availability and effectiveness.
• Anthony Richardson is listed as a DNP but shows potential if available.
• Kenny Pickett is limited, causing uncertainty in his production.
• Various running backs across teams, including Joe Mixon and Kaimi Fairbairn, are scrutinized for their health statuses, influencing their start or sit decisions.

Game-by-Game Fantasy Insights

Denver vs. Cincinnati (12:50)

The panel analyzes the Bengals' offensive prowess versus the Broncos' defense. Adam asks, “are you taking the Broncos defense seriously?” (33:44). Dave highlights Joe Burrow's record-breaking performances, suggesting that Bengals' receivers like Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins are must-starts regardless of matchups.

Chargers vs. Patriots (39:33)

Justin Herbert's matchup against New England is dissected. Heath remains bullish on Herbert’s upside, saying, “I really bought into Gus Edwards' good game last week...this is a good matchup against New England.” (39:49). The Patriots' defense is expected to challenge Herbert, but his ability to produce explosively keeps him in favorable consideration.

Jets vs. Bills (53:08)

Garrett Wilson's consistency is debated again in the context of the Jets facing the Bills. Dave emphasizes Wilson’s target volume: “He’s the fourth most targeted receiver in the NFL.” (57:26). The hosts lean towards starting Wilson over emerging talents like A.J. Brown, given Wilson's established role in the offense.

Colts vs. Giants (60:25)

Malik Neighbors versus Drake London is a focal point. Dave prefers Neighbors, citing his steady production: “Malik Neighbors is averaging in his last nine games is...” (67:13). The Giants' offensive woes make Neighbors a safer play compared to London's inconsistent performance.

Tennessee vs. Jacksonville (68:46)

Chigo Conko is highlighted as a promising tight end against a run-heavy Jaguars defense. Jamey advocates for starting Conko due to his explosive play potential: “There's a chance for him to be explosive.” (68:46). The tight end position is underscored as a pivotal flex spot this week.

Miami vs. Cleveland (74:58)

Jerome Ford's matchup against the Dolphins is discussed, with Dave rating him as a top running back option: “He’s a starter. Yeah, I mean, he's kind of like the end of the guys.” (75:34). The Dolphins' solid run defense is offset by their vulnerability in the passing game, providing Ford with opportunities to score.

Injury Updates Revisited

Further updates include:

• Anthony Richardson and Kenny Pickett remain questionable for their respective teams.
• Ramandre Stevenson is on the docket for potential avoidance depending on playtime guarantees.
• Dalton Kincaid vs. Brenton Strange: Jamey prefers Brenton Strange over Kincaid, given the latter's recent underwhelming performances.

Listener Mailbag

A standout email from "Cruisin for a Bruisin" praises Heath Cummings' engagement with fans: “I had the pleasure of running into Heath Cummings...he's going for back-to-back championships in his league.” (16:48). This segment fosters a community feel, acknowledging listener support and interactions.

Conclusions and Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reiterate key start or sit decisions, emphasizing the importance of staying updated on player statuses and matchup dynamics. Adam encourages listeners to vote for the podcast in the "Best Fantasy Betting and Gaming" category, while also promoting the new Fantasy Football Today fan shop for league gear.

Notable Quotes

• Adam Aizer at [02:35]: “I think two and two, but, man, I wouldn't want to lose both to you. That would be bad.”
• Heath Cummings at [08:29]: “If you've been starting him, you're obviously starting him...you can debate Cortland Sutton versus Garrett Wilson.”
• Dave Richard at [37:43]: “Bo Nix has been a top performer in his recent games.”

Final Recommendations

The panel strongly recommends:

• Start: Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, Garrett Wilson, Malik Neighbors, Jerome Ford, and Chigo Conko.
• Sit: David Njoku (cautiously), Zack Charbonnet (with caveats), and players with significant injury concerns or inconsistent recent performances.

Listeners are encouraged to remain vigilant about last-minute injury news and weather updates that could impact game-day decisions, ensuring their fantasy lineups are optimized for the best possible performance.

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For more insights, listener Q&A, and up-to-the-minute fantasy strategies, tune into the next episode of Fantasy Football Today—your ultimate guide to winning your fantasy league.

Transcript

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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Host 2]

Two points from the Texans. What not a very good day of football yesterday. A couple of yucky games. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today presented by BetMGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas. I don't know the answer to this question, but do you think Heath, that is the first time that I've said the word yucky on the air. Or do you think I've said it before.

[Host 5]

I think you've probably said yucky. You said a lot of words on the air over the years, so you've probably said yucky before.

[Host 2]

I probably have. I was just thinking. So I'm in four finals and two of them are against Heath. Would I rather go two and two and lose both of my Heath matchups or go, say one in three, but split the Heath matchups? Like, what would be preferable for me? I. I think. I think two and two, but, man, I wouldn't want to lose both to you. That would be bad.

[Host 5]

Yeah, that would be. I mean, thankfully, I'm not the type of person that would bring that up for the next calendar year or change my team logo to. To. To rub that in anybody's face.

[Host 2]

We already met in the podcast league. Oh, that's right. Three years ago. Right.

[Host 5]

And you beat me 20, 21. Yeah, it was a very, very similar year. I think I also had two losses that year, and I. I believe I beat you 180 to 112 in that matchup.

[Host 2]

Well, in one of my leagues that I'm facing Heath, I had Joe Mixon and Kaimi Fairbairn. So we're off to a good start. All right, Jamie will be here shortly. We'll recap yesterday's games. I hope everybody had a Patrick Mahomes holiday and not a Kaimi Fairbairn holiday. But let's get into a player we love. Heath, who do you love?

[Host 5]

Yeah, I think. I think. Am I not supposed to use Thursday, guys?

[Host 2]

I mean, you love Zach Charbonnet. Is that where you're going? That.

[Host 5]

That's exactly like. I think it's just. It's worth saying, because this is a. This is a week that even if it's your job to do this, with the Christmas holiday and with the short week, the games on Wednesday and the games on Saturday, it's easy to, like, kind of get lost in the shuffle and miss the big news. And the big news is that Zach Starbonnet is a top eight running back in all formats. Once again. Ken Walker is out. It's a Thursday night game. We are starting Zach Charbonnet over pretty much everyone. I believe he averaged 22 fantasy points per game in his first four starts this season. I take 22 tonight.

[Host 2]

Yeah, that'd be pretty good. And he's got a matchup. That terrific matchup against the Bears and Bo Nix is Jamie's start of the week. He talked about him a little bit yesterday, but you are not quite there. You have him 15th, Dave and Jamie have him combined 15th, seventh for Jamie, eighth for Dave. So you're not quite there with Bo.

[Host 5]

Nicks and I actually have him ranked one spot higher than he is in the projections. I have Knicks, Stafford and Aaron Rodgers all kind of in a cluttered mess from QB14 to QB16. Just looking at the guys like I'm trying to think of who I must have ahead of him that they don't. One would be Patrick Mahomes. I feel pretty good about that one. One would be Anthony Richardson. I just think Richardson has a lot more upside but I always have a hard time with how to rank him. So if you wanted to start Knicks over Richardson because of floor, I would get that. I do have Brock Purdy and Justin Herbert just ahead of Knicks. He's, he's cooled off a little bit and for the most part the rushing hasn't been as consistent in the second half of the season.

[Host 2]

Okay, all right.

[Host 5]

That may also be a weather game. Right.

[Host 2]

So someone had brought that up. I haven't seen. I it's luckily it's going to be kind of warm this weekend like even Tua in Cleveland it's going to be maybe 40s, 50s, something like that. You can check the weather and maybe going to be raining in that Cincinnati Denver game. But it's not such a bad weekend in terms of weather at least from what I've said. At least from temperatures I don't think we're going to get any snow or anything like that. All right. But Bonix, like I said, I've been, I've been deciding between Purdy and Knicks. I'm going to go with Brock Purdy. You would also go with Brock Purdy. So you're a little bit lower on Bonix player to avoid this week.

[Host 5]

Well I'd like to avoid Joe Mixon and Kimi Fairbairn but it's a little bit late for, for that. I've actually got Cooper cup as an avoid. He is my number 34 wide receiver in full PPR leagues. Even worse than that and non PPR leagues has had back to back really poor fantasy outings. Matthew Stafford after a couple of great weeks has been pretty miserable as of late. Also it's like a 40% target share for Puka Nakua over the last month. It's hard for anybody else in a pass offense to be relevant when one guy is taking 40% of the targets and we know Kyron Williams takes half the touchdowns.

[Host 2]

Well, Stafford, so you said you had Stafford in that kind of Bo Nix mix. Right. Yeah. What you said with Rogers. He has thrown for 183 or fewer yards in three of his last four games. Whoa. So are they just gonna be able to run the ball against the Cardinals and get an easy win? It's possible. It's the spread of that game, you.

[Host 5]

Know, six and a half.

[Host 2]

All right, so he is not a big Cooper cup fan. Let me see if I get there's anyone I can throw on here that I wasn't really planning to do this. I'm sure Jamie will be here soon, but let me scan anyone I don't like this week. Well, I, I think I'm gonna sit Garrett Wilson. I don't know how you feel about that. I, I know this. There's the, we've got to get him more involved, but I just not really liking what I've seen. And Aaron Rodgers was exactly gung ho about, yeah, we need to get him more involved. And they're at Buffalo.

[Host 5]

He's only four spots ahead of Cooper Cup. For me, that's one of the games that I really struggle with because Is Buffalo's defense good right now? No, I, I, it's not, I don't think. And so I kind of just want to start all my Jets. I, I do have a league where I have, in a championship game, I have Hall, I have Wilson, and I have Devonte Adams. And I'm trying to decide if I really want to have all three of those guys in my starting lineup. And as of right now, I am benching Garrett Wilson in that league. He's my, he's my least favorite Jet amongst that group. Well, unfortunately, I started Joe Mixon, so that's one of the guys. But I have, and I'm also benching Devonte Smith. I have Devonte Adams, Jordan Addison and Keenan Allen. Drake London and Breeze Hull.

[Host 2]

Yeah, the only tough one, I, I might go Wilson over London, but definitely Keenan Allen ahead of him. Definitely Addison ahead of him. Breeze hall ahead of him. Yeah, but I could see like it's not an outright sit for Garrett Wilson. It's just.

[Host 5]

No, not at all.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 5]

No, the other one is, it's, it's really interesting and it's, it's really just maybe a situation that again, because of the holiday and the weird practice times for the NFL teams, I'm not sure we know much, but the, the Eagles are still nine point favorites over the Cowboys. Jalen Hurts is still in the concussion protocol and hasn't played, hasn't practiced yet. Now, the team didn't practice yesterday so maybe. Maybe it'll be. Everything will be fine today. I think they just estimated his practice participation. But I'm going to be pretty nervous about both A.J. brown and Devonte Smith. If they're starting Kenny Pickett or Pickett's banged up, it might be their third string quarterback.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Pickett was listed as limited. Jalen Hurts still in the concussion protocol. So that game we'll talk about tomorrow. But, you know, as it relates to tonight, I guess you're not gonna. Are you gonna start dk? You're not gonna start DK Metcalf over AJ Brown, I would assume.

[Host 5]

I would certainly start DK Metcalf over Devonte Smith.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Host 5]

And I would certainly start JSN over AJ Brown. I have. I have DJ Moore over AJ Brown currently. I have Keenan Allen over AJ Brown currently.

[Host 2]

What about this idea? I mean, Pickett through so I can't remember off top of my head, whatever, 15 targets or something like that. Like, if it is Pickett, you feel like that. He probably. Hey, Jamie, you know they're gonna be a lot more pass attempts.

[Host 5]

I'm not calling A.J. brown a sit if Pickett starts. I just don't think A.J. brown is a must start if Jalen Hurts is out.

[Host 2]

All right, Jamie, I know your player that you love is Bo Nix, who's. Give me one player to avoid.

[Host 3]

One player to avoid for this week. God, feels like so long ago I had to start set. Let's see. I'm going to avoid Ramandre Stevenson if I can. Man, that whole situation makes me nervous.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah, yeah. All right. Roger Stevenson. We got.

[Host 3]

Well, you know, hopefully we get an answer from Gerard Mayo and what they're going to do with Antonio Gibson. It's. It's an interesting run defense because the Chargers have struggled lately in stopping running backs. And Stevenson's been good at times. He's, you know, had a hard time finding the end zone. It's basically like he has a good game bag. He alternates almost every week. But if he's not going to get the touches, how can you trust him?

[Host 2]

No, you can't. All right, so we'll talk about that game today. Here are the seven games we're talking about on today's show. Denver, Cincinnati, Chargers. Page all the Saturday games. Denver, Cincinnati, Chargers, Patriots, Arizona and the Rams. And then Jets, Bills, Colts at Giants, Tennessee at Jacksonville, Miami at Cleveland. And I've got a lot of injury updates for you as well. I also need to tell you to go vote for us. Please go to sportspodcastgroup. Dot Com. Click vote now. Best fantasy betting and gaming category. That's the fantasy betting and gaming. That's the category. Vote for fantasy football today. It will take you 30 seconds. We really want to win this one again. We'll all be your best friend if we win this award. Sports podcast group.com vote now. Best fantasy betting and gaming category. Fantasy Football today is. The name of our show is Fantasy Football Today, in case you didn't know. Also, please check out the fantasy football Today new fan shop powered by Shop Sense. It has everything you need from trophies to T shirts. It's got the gear to make your fantasy league unforgettable. Great T shirts for your fantasy winner or for your fantasy loser. Great stuff for your fan cave or just want to give a gift to yourself or to a sports fan? You know, just check it out. It's at shop.cbssports.com fantasy really, really cool stuff on this website. Shop.cbssports.com fantasy you can scan the QR code and I'll throw a link in the episode description. All right, we had Kansas City 29, Pittsburgh 10, Baltimore 31, Houston 2. Oh, just so many things. I. The only thing I liked about these games yesterday was how it was pretty cool that Ian Eagle and Noah Eagle were doing play by play. Like, that's very cool and they're both so awesome and they sound exactly alike. But horrible stuff in the fantasy world if you.

[Host 3]

You must have enjoyed. Ian Eagle joke.

[Host 2]

What did he say?

[Host 3]

The Stranger things joke.

[Host 2]

Oh, that was a funny joke. Yeah, that was funny. It was good. He's the, he's the man. We should have him on the show. I think. I think he'd. Come on.

[Host 3]

We, we used to have him on our Sunday show when we first started doing fantasy football today in like the first two years because we would go around the NFL to all of the AFC home games and all the announcers would do hits for us. It was awesome.

[Host 2]

That's cool. You guys have any. Any things you want to say? We don't have to talk about these games too long or anything, you know, Anything you want to say?

[Host 5]

Is Xavier Worthy just doing the, like, the exact same thing Rashi Rice did in the end of last year?

[Host 3]

I wonder. I mean, he's reminding me a little bit more of what Tyree Kill is doing as a rookie. I, I wonder how, just how the, you know, first off, does Kelsey come back? I want. I wonder what this offense looks like because they're finally fast.

[Host 5]

Yeah.

[Host 3]

Marquis Brown on the field. Xavier Worthy on the field. They could do so much. They could just. There's so much they could do. Andy Reid must be so happy right now. Like, I was starting to think about quarterback rankings for next year and you know, we had the, the talk about Mahomes. Is he number one because of the weapons and all this stuff and he's looking like, you know, vintage Mahomes again. And so he's not. He's not one. Like the, the highest he would be for me is six. But man, this offense could be awesome again, like hopefully from the get go, you know, not, hey, we're gonna wait till the middle of the season, then just flip switch. But my gosh, fix the tackles, which I'm sure they'll find a way and get him protected and it's going to be, it's going to be fun to watch, you know, Rice and Worthy and. Is Brown back or is he on a one year deal?

[Host 5]

He was on a one year deal.

[Host 3]

Okay, so he's probably gone.

[Host 5]

And then. Adam, you were right. Play the. Play the clip. You were right. Lamar is the mvp.

[Host 2]

But you know, I switched to Alan, but then back to Jackson. Yeah, yeah, I. It's so fun. He's having such a great year and he's completely in control out there. He's the man. Jalen Warren maybe is. I don't know. I mean, I didn't realize Naji had 13 carries. Jalen had 11. Like, it felt like Jalen took over, but he didn't. But it's.

[Host 5]

Naji had a lot of work when the Steelers gave up. Okay. And just had that, that last drive, I think he ran for like 50 yards or something.

[Host 2]

George Pickens got to keep his helmet on. He's like, he didn't get flagged. All right. The other game.

[Host 3]

CJ Warren's going to be an interesting one next year because if they let Naji walk like, he's got top 20 upside.

[Host 5]

Yep.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah. C.J. stroud said it may have been the worst game he's ever played. And if you didn't watch it, he was. And probably, you know, a lot of you probably didn't. His Christmas, I understand it was a terrible game. He just was really off. I mean, he just was missing open guys and everyone stunk. Everyone stunk on the Texans and then only 15 pass attempts for Lamar Jackson. So that really hurt Zay Flowers and everyone. The tight end, Scott, touchdowns. There's not much to say here. This was just a terrible performance by the Texans and. And a dominant one by the Ravens. All right, so let's Talk starter, sit and oh, wait, we have an email of the day. Email of the day is from Cruisin for a bruising. He says, hello, Fender, Rockwell and Hagar. Those are Sam's and Sam Fender's coming to New York City in a couple months. Let's go to the show, everyone. And I love Sam Rockwell, one of my favorites. All right, so. Cruising for a bruise and says. Last weekend I had the pleasure of running into Heath Cummings on the sidewalks of downtown St. Augustine. I yelled out his name and he and his wife immediately came over and shook my hand. I told him that I love the show and that I listen to you guys every day. He smiled and gave me a slap on the shoulder as he walked towards what I can only assume the brewery. That true?

[Host 5]

Yeah. No. Yes. I was walking towards the brewery. I did not go into the brewery.

[Host 2]

Okay. As they were walking off, I turned to witness his wife patting him on the tuchus as if saying, good job. Boo. The sighting made by night. You guys do a great job and I appreciate everything you do. And this guy's going for back to back championships in his league. The only back to back champion in the league's 20 year history if he can pull it off. But a little pat on the tucus there. Like a little.

[Host 5]

One of the. The greatest Christmas light displays in the world in St. Augustine. I found out on Friday night last week. So, yeah, it's. It was great. It was great to. Thanks for saying hi. Always say hi.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 5]

If you see us out walking around.

[Host 2]

Yeah, man. All right. News and notes. Anthony Richardson. A lot of people were listed as DNP yesterday. I don't know if any teams actually practiced, but Anthony Richardson was listed as a dnp. We're not worried, but Jalen Hurts was also. He's still in the concussion protocol. Kenny Pickett was listed as limited. Again. We're going to get to that game tomorrow. Derek Carr was listed as a DNP and both Browns quarterbacks were listed as limited. Right now the guys are ranking Dorian Thompson, Robinson, Ken Walker, play him because.

[Host 3]

They don't have anything to play for.

[Host 2]

They do have something to play for.

[Host 3]

They do.

[Host 2]

Yeah. They have to win one game or have the Commanders lose to lock up the division.

[Host 3]

I'm almost positive Washington still catch them. Okay.

[Host 2]

I'm almost positive about that. They haven't locked up the division yet. They. If they win or if the Commanders lose, somebody want to double check on that, then week 18 is meaningless for them.

[Host 3]

And so I was more watching them with the one seed and yeah, no.

[Host 2]

No, they still need to lock up.

[Host 5]

The two, I do think. Well, okay, so technically Adam is right also, the Eagles play the Giants next week.

[Host 2]

Yeah. So yeah, that's true. Yeah. And it's big for the Giants because obviously like we're gonna beat the Eagles next week. If the Eagles have nothing to play for and lose the number one pick, Ken Walker's out.

[Host 3]

J.K. dobbins was limited first off. If that happens, we're podcasting right after the game.

[Host 2]

J.K. dobbins was limited. Trey Benson and James Connor were both limited. So right now, I guess they were walking around looking good in the locker room according to one tweet I saw. So James Connor hopefully going to play on Saturday at the Rams. Tyrone Tracy missed practice or was listed as a dnp. So Devin Singletary still available about half our leagues basically like every Broncos running back appears has a chance to play this week. They got the Bengals on Saturday. Camara could play this week. Tony Pollard was listed as a dnp, but that's obviously no surprise. Christian Watson listed as it did not practice, but he could play. Couple guys in the concussion protocol might come back this week. Alec Pierce and Cedric Tillman. We've been saying that about Tillman for a while. Hopefully it actually happens. Malik Neighbors was listed as a DNP with a foot injury, I believe, or a toe injury or something. He usually plays through everything, but this is new. Drake London was limited and then here's some guys who were listed as as did not practice. Jalen Waddle, CD Lamb, Terry McLaurin and Devonte Adams. I think the only one we're concerned about is Waddle as of now and Chris Olave was listed as a full participant, so that's pretty interesting. He's got Las Vegas. David Najoku is ranked right now by Dave, Jamie and Heath, but beware, he was listed as a as a did not practice. He gets a great matchup against the Dolphins. But Joku right now is on the injury report. Kate Otten has not practiced and Will Disley has a chance to play this week. Bengals could get looks like they will get their left tackle back. Orlando Brown, he practiced in full Saints his offensive line is beat up. Cardinals offensive line is beat up. Saints are hosting the Raiders. Cardinals are at the Rams on defense mentioned that Riley Moss, Denver's number two cornerback, he practiced in full and Green Bay, hopefully this is the week they get Jair Alexander back. He was listed as a full participant and Minnesota we don't want him back.

[Host 3]

No no, no.

[Host 2]

Minnesota linebacker Ivan Pace has missed Four straight. Okay, okay, fine. I'm sorry. I was trying to be nice. Minnesota linebacker Ivan Pace was listed as a full participant. He has missed four straight games, so hopefully he's not playing. I hope nobody plays on defense. I Hope it is 11 on 0 for the offenses. There we go.

[Host 3]

We hope one of the better corners comes back. So yeah, you know what? I hope.

[Host 5]

I, I think, I think there was a question in the chat, Adam. I think we should just. I think everybody agrees on this, but Matt asks, would you wait on Connor for Saturday or start Charbonnet tonight? Like whether I have somebody who might play or might not play. I'm starting Zach Charbonnet tonight in a full PPR league. He's top five. Yeah, he's the top 10 running back in all formats.

[Host 3]

The only way I would be waiting for somebody would be Barkley. Like that's it, right?

[Host 5]

Yeah, there'd be one. One running back leaks.

[Host 2]

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[Host 2]

We are back. One question for each game, by the way. Just a reminder. Next week, normal week for the show. Except we're going to do week 18 stuff and 2025 stuff. All right, Denver at Cincinnati. Cortland Sutton's had a couple of. Well, one game he scored a touchdown. One game was just bad. Ten fantasy points last week. Going back to Cortland Sutton this week, guys.

[Host 3]

100%.

[Host 5]

He's a number two wide receiver over Garrett Wilson. Yes.

[Host 2]

Okay, the Chargers are at New England. Is there any scenario where you're starting a Chargers running back with confidence?

[Host 3]

So I made a decision in one league to it's non ppr. It's one of my father's son leagues. So my youngest son, he's six. So just to keep that in perspective, which is why I'm doing it for him to bench George Pickens in a flex pot for Brian Robinson. Because I don't really love Brian Robinson. I didn't really love George Pickens, but to wait out J.K. dobbins. So I would start Dobbins over Robinson for example, if he's good to go. So he would be in that. You know, we've talked about this a little bit. I don't know where Heath is on this. I know Dave and I are someone in similar range of the mix in Hall, Jerome Ford, that group. It's like running back 16 through 20. For me that's kind of where Dobbins will end up. Just because a little bit concerned about the layoff. Slightly concerned a little bit about, you know, sharing a little too much with Gus Edwards coming off his best game now if Dobbins is out, I do think there's a chance for Edwards to have a decent game because three running backs in a row, 96 rushing yards or more against the Patriots and he has scored four touchdowns in the three games that Dobbins has been out. So he could fall into the end zone and get you 50 yards rushing like he did last week. Wouldn't be surprised.

[Host 2]

All right, Arizona's at the Rams. Well, I was going to ask starter sit Cooper cup but Heath already said that's a guy he wants to avoid. So Heath starter sit Kyler Murray.

[Host 5]

He is like the best up for me of Those high upside QBs that I also recognize have no floor. I put Kyler and Caleb and Anthony Richardson in that group. He's a, he's a low end starter. I'd start Baker and over him, but there's not from for the most part I'm starting Kyler Murray.

[Host 2]

All right, Jamie, I'll give you this one because we already talked about Garrett Wilson. Jets are at the Bills. How do you feel? Are we going to get a little squeaky cricket squeaky wheel for Garrett Wilson?

[Host 3]

I think so. You know, I think it's more a late game situation as opposed to more targets because it's not like he's not getting targets. He's the fourth most targeted receiver in the NFL, so he's still going to get his opportunities. I think what he's been more upset about is when he's gotten his targets. You know, so do they Feed him early? Do they feed him late? You know, you brought this up. Rogers was kind of like, I don't know, you know, when he was asked about it about Wilson's being, being unhappy, not getting the ball. You know, this is, this is a tough situation across the board. Ownership obviously is, is a little bit of a joke right now after the athletic story. Coach is not going to be there. Wilson seemingly wanting out. Well, where are you, where are you investing in this team? If you're investing, are you investing in the 40 year old quarterback and 30 year old wide receiver? Are you investing in this talent and Garrett Wilson, that could still be a stud. I would hope they're investing in Garrett Wilson and there's somebody saying something to anybody, feed the kid, make him happy. So he's a number two receiver. If you've been starting him, you're obviously starting him. You know, I'm not getting cute and starting Adam Thielen over him, who's a waiver wire guy or Jalen McMillan who's a waiver wire guy over Garrett Wilson. You know, so you may have some tough calls. You know, Cortland Sutton versus Garrett Wilson. You know, you can, you can debate. I, I agree with Heath. You probably don't want to start Cooper cup, but I think this is going to be a Rams blowout and they get back on track because they're back indoors. So you can maybe debate Cooper cup versus Garrett Wilson. I would start Wilson, but I get it. I do think that he gets fed a little bit more.

[Host 2]

Okay, so let's say would you start if he were to start J.K. dobbins or Garrett Wilson?

[Host 3]

Wilson, Wilson. Non PPR star Dobbins but PPR Wilson.

[Host 2]

All right, next game. Colts are at the Giants starter sit Malik Neighbors for the Colts in their last six games. Calvin Ridley last week caught a deep touchdown. He's the only wide receiver that scored more than 13.2 PPR fantasy points against the Colts in their last six games. That would be the jets guys, the Bills the Lions guys, the Patriots, the Broncos and the Titans. Malik Neighbors scores 13.2 fantasy points in his sleep. Unfortunately, he like only scores about 13.2 fantasy points. But starters at neighbors.

[Host 3]

I have one tough call. I'm curious what, what you guys would do of Malik Neighbors vs Drake London because the rest of my team is loaded and one final spot right now I have Neighbors because ppr. I'm neighbors over London. A little nervous about London with the hamstring and you know, rookie quarterback on the road and he could see a Little bit of Lattimore. If Lattimore plays. I think we talked about this. We don't know.

[Host 2]

Neighbors for me, baby. No bias neighbors for me.

[Host 3]

No, right now I have neighbors in, but that's, that's like I, you know, real life neighbors decision to me.

[Host 5]

But for the most part I'm just starting, I'm starting Malik Neighbors in this situation too. So yes, I'm starting Malik Neighbors. He's, he's a, He's a top 15 wide receiver for me.

[Host 2]

All right, Tennessee's at Jacksonville. Do you trust any running back in this game? The Jaguars allow the second most fantasy points to running backs. The Titans have allowed seven rushing touchdowns to running backs in their last four games. Three last week to Taylor. Do you trust any running backs in this Titans Jags game?

[Host 5]

I'll trust Tony Pollard if he gets a full practice in and I'll trust Ty J. Spears if Tony Pollard is out.

[Host 3]

I mean, just sit Pollard at this point, please. Can you make it easy for us, please?

[Host 2]

Yeah. All right, so. But you would start Pollard like as a. Is he.

[Host 5]

If he gets a full practice? Right now I've got them Both ranked around RB30.

[Host 2]

He's not going to get a full practice. So he never practice. He may not even practice.

[Host 5]

Reese. I'll just had an out of nowhere full practice last week and just was fine.

[Host 2]

All right, so let's say he in all just based on the trends. In all likelihood that's not going to happen in my opinion. So let's just say like he doesn't practice or maybe gets in a limited and then he's, then he plays. Just what happens every week. Is Tony Pollard ahead of that Jerome Ford, Breeze hall group?

[Host 3]

No, he is for me.

[Host 2]

Okay. Miami's at Cleveland.

[Host 3]

I'm sorry, not Bruce Hall. But he's, he's, he's in that mix. He's in that 16 through 20 mix. Hall's ahead of him, but yes, he's right there.

[Host 2]

Miami at Cleveland. How much faith do you have in the Dolphins passing game?

[Host 3]

So really it's, it's two receiving options because you, you know, waddle plays. You're not trusting him even if he does. I mean, I think most people again, it's, it's like Cooper cup and Garrett Wilson and some of these guys that have been struggling. You're starting Tyree Kill, you know, he had two balls in his hands. That doesn't sound. He had two passes that hit him in the hands in, in the game against the 49ers that could have been touchdowns. So yeah.

[Host 2]

Yeah, Jamie, he sure did.

[Host 5]

All right. So good, good comment from the chat and worth looking at. Tony Pollard earns $250,000 if he gets to 1100 rushing yards. He has 10, 17 right now.

[Host 2]

Wow.

[Host 5]

Tony Pollard earns $200,000 if he gets to seven rush touchdowns. He has five right now.

[Host 2]

Wow. Could be a 500.

[Host 5]

So he's got a lot to play for, I would say. He does not want to just sit out.

[Host 2]

Denver is at Cincinnati. All right, let's start. Let's go through the games now. We'll break them down. So I had a stat of the game about Cortland Sutton. He had only six targets and a 15.4% target share last week, but that was very low for him. He usually has eight or more targets. He had eight or more targets in seven straight games before last week. So of the 14 wide receivers who have had seven or more targets against the Bengals, all of them scored double digit PPR fantasy points. 10 of them scored 15.8 or more. It's a great setup for Sutton as long as he gets those targets back. So my question for you for this Denver Cincinnati game is are you taking the Broncos defense seriously? Do you think they're going to limit the Bengals in any way? And honestly, it may not matter because you're not going to sit any, any of the Bengals big four, but do you think that the Bengals kind of do whatever they want or do you think it's, you know, maybe like 23, 24 points or something like that?

[Host 3]

So you, you've, you brought this up. They didn't score a lot of points against Dallas, right?

[Host 2]

Well, they didn't before that muff punt thing. Then they, I think they had 20 points and then they scored another touchdown after that, I think.

[Host 3]

But yeah, in overtime.

[Host 2]

Who or whatever. Cincinnati.

[Host 3]

The Jamar Chase touchdown. You got a late Jamar taste touchdown to get Burrow to three touchdowns last week. Right in.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 3]

Game there. And those are against, you know, we, we would consider bad defenses or defenses you could have points against. I think you said it best. No one's sitting these guys. You didn't get to your championship game. And you know, Joe Burrow, I think what he just broke a record of most games in a row with 250 passing yards and three touchdowns. He's been amazing and would be in the MVP conversation if their team was better, their defense was better. Jamar Chase is going to get the triple Crown. You're not sending him. T. Higgins has been relatively awesome the majority of the season. You're not sitting him. And Chase Brown is an absolute stud. You're not sitting it. So I think you just gotta somewhat minimize expectations, you know, So I don't know how you had it ranked, Heath. You know, Jamar Chase was just kind of set it and forget it. Number one in the receiver rankings. I put him at two. You know, put Justin Jefferson ahead of him. T. Higgins was, you know, basically a borderline number one receiver. He's like 15 or 16. You know, dropped him a few spots. Didn't move Chase Brown really at all. So, you know, I think it's just a matter of, do these guys get what they typically get? Probably not. You know, one guy might get shut out. You know, you might get a Yoshiva's touchdown, you might get a Gaseki touchdown. You know, he might go someplace else because of the coverage. But these guys didn't get you here to sit them. No matter who they're playing. They're just too good.

[Host 5]

And Adam, we had referenced the weather earlier. Kevin Roth does have an early week 17 report out. He's got this game as a yellow orange. So rain is likely washout potential. Won't fully know until closer to kickoff. So. All right, you might want to watch that on Saturday, probably more for your Broncos than for your Bengals, because I agree with Jamie. You're not like, the easiest thing we can do on this show this week is just say, start your top four Bengals.

[Host 2]

Sure. Okay. I think. I do think it's very cool that to see a Chase certain matchup. I'm almost positive they've never faced off. Chase is in the slot a decent amount over 30% of the time on average. So, yeah, I mean, just. Just as a football fan, I'm really looking forward to that. This. We'll keep this game simple here, but, you know, start your Bengals and then start Sutton. We'll save Knicks for last. We're not going to start a tight end in this game. And we're like, how do you compare? Who's your favorite Broncos running back and how does he compare to. I don't even like the waiver wire guys from last week.

[Host 3]

If McLaughlin is out, it would be Javante because estimate is just not going to be involved in the passing game. So assuming the weather is okay and this game should turn into hopeful track meet because of the Bengals defense mostly and really the Bengals offense, you know, so I think Williams could have a similar type of game to what he had last week. Now, as we talked about on the waiver wire show, he hadn't really done that very often, so it's hard to say it's a, it's a guarantee because they've used Marvin Mims as a pass catcher out of the backfield. You know, they've, they've gone different directions with this and you know, they. Tyler Bidet is up now, you know, so he may have an opportunity to play as well. So it's, it's really difficult to trust. But Javante has kind of been the, the constant in terms of playing time and so will he get opportunities to make plays against the defense that has now allowed eight running backs in its last six games to get 10.4 PPR points or more. So there's a, there's a chance for a decent floor. He had 12 PPR points last week, Williams did. So he'd be my favorite flex at best.

[Host 2]

Okay, so let's talk about Bo Nix because he's the start of the week, but he's 15th for Heath and he's seventh for Jamie. So I know you talked about him a little bit yesterday, Jamie, but hit me up. Bo Nicks, you're optimistic.

[Host 3]

Obviously, weather would change a lot here. So, you know, maybe a new start of the week by the time we get to Saturday. If in fact it's going to be that bad. But I think just looking at it, the Bengals, sixth and most fantasy points allowed to opposing quarterbacks, 22.6 points per game. I know they've played better lately. That was against DTR Mason Rudolph, Cooper Rush, you know, so they've, they've done better against some of the crappy opponents. Bo Nicks has been good in this spot. You know, three straight road games, 20 or more fantasy points, 25 or more fantasy points in three of his last five games. And coming off a strong game against a good Chargers defense. So this Bengals defense I don't think is one to fear. You know, they're still down one of their better pass rushers than Sam Hubbard. Secondary has been a mess for the majority of the season. So I think Knicks will make enough plays to be a top 10 quarterback.

[Host 5]

And I moved him up to 14, so one. One spot higher. It's really, it's not an anti Bo Nicks thing. I, I've got Richardson one spot higher. I think he has a little more upside. I, I love the matchup for Purdy against Detroit's banged defense. And Adam, you said you're making that decision against me. Against you, I had Mahomes higher. I've got Caleb Williams higher. Like, it's just there's a lot of guys right in that range. I like the upside more for most of those guys than I do for Knicks, but he's a borderline QB one.

[Host 2]

Okay. Last thing I'll leave you all with is is I've identified I would say six previous good matchups for Bo Nicks. One was Tampa Bay in week three. He scored 19.3 fantasy points. Not great but 27.1 against the Raiders, 35.8 against Carolina, 17.7 at Baltimore. That wasn't good. 36.8 against Atlanta, 23.4 at Las Vegas. Six point per passing touchdown leagues. So that's four big games in six in six good matchups. Sit the DSTs right.

[Host 3]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Okay. Let's go to our next game. Another Saturday game. It is the Chargers at the Patriots. Heath, I think you're the high guy on Justin Herbert. You want to make the case we we did talk about him on yesterday's show but thoughts on Justin Herbert?

[Host 5]

Yeah, as I have been all year long, really excited about Justin Herbert. No, I like like the matchup against New England. I would drop Herbert a little bit if Dobbins is back but I don't really buy into Gus Edwards good game last week. I don't think they're going to be great at rushing the football. I think this is a good matchup against New England and he's just that mix again from Purdy down to to Nicks or beyond of borderline QB ones like his chances to get you 20 fantasy points.

[Host 2]

Okay. And yeah I think Jamie would would sign on. He likes his chances to get you 20 fantasy points. Right. That's not. Not a huge stretch there. But he's got him 16th and so does Dave. We just talked about the running backs.

[Host 5]

I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful they rush attempts last week were his ankle's fine and we're gonna see him running like he was earlier in the year.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Oh by the way just you just reminded me of something pretty interesting insight from JJ Watt yesterday on TJ Watt who said he said that the thumb is actually a bigger issue for T.J. watt than the foot. So insider information there I would say that was cool to find out. Yes. How would Jamie, you just talked about both the Broncos and the Chargers running back. You talked about the Chargers when we were doing one question for each game. But if Dobbins does not play, would you start Javante or Gus Gus even in full ppr.

[Host 3]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Okay. All right. So these are not guys that I think are going to be started in a lot of championship lineups.

[Host 5]

You hope not. I, I'm facing Gus in one, but no, no javantes in my matchups.

[Host 2]

I'm just surprised that you guys like unless the rankings. I did these notes the other day, but let me just get your updated McConkey rankings. Yeah. 27 for Jamie, 19 for Dave, 35 for Heath. I think I'm on T Dave here. I'm just a McConkey believer here. I'm just surprised you guys don't have him in your top 24.

[Host 3]

I like a lot of receivers this week and so he's right in that range. So, you know, if it was a projections thing for me, it would probably be just, you know, a, a decimal point or two. You know, I, I, I like McConkey. I think he's number two receiver. You've heard me say this a lot. When there's no teams on a buy, it's like 36 is the top 24.

[Host 5]

I and when it comes to projections, one of the reasons I think that he's not as good is it's basically been seven, six or seven targets in three of his last four games in the majority of the games this season. And you just have to be wildly efficient at six or seven targets to be a top 25 fantasy wide receiver. He's had some games certainly where he was wildly efficient, but that doesn't generally show up in the projections.

[Host 3]

I also don't think this is a high scoring game, so that that target number is probably not going to be very high, which is why I'm a little concerned about Herbert, to be honest with, you know, so.

[Host 5]

Right.

[Host 3]

I think we could see just, you know, get your win and go home, which the Chargers have shown us they're not afraid to just go do.

[Host 2]

Somebody should look up the last time Herbert went to Foxborough, I think it was one of these frigid, awful weather games. And they, it was just an awful, awful fantasy performance. But not this that. It's just, just for fun. But yeah. Would anybody start will Disley if he plays? Because he was in the discussion once upon a time?

[Host 3]

I don't think so. You know, just coming back from injury, you know, they've, they've used Stone Smart a little bit. They use, you know, Hayden Hurst is back now, so I believe both those guys. Smart was certainly not part of the game plan. And Hearst was out when Disney started doing this.

[Host 2]

Okay, the last, yeah, go ahead.

[Host 5]

Last time Justin Herbert went to Foxborough and the only time he's ever been to Foxborough, they won 6 to 0.

[Host 2]

That's right. He scored 8 points. 20. That was last year. December 3rd. 22 of 37, 212 yards and no touchdowns. All right, so on the Patriots side, is there anyone that you are excited about starting for the Patriots?

[Host 3]

Henry would have been Ramandre if he didn't fumble.

[Host 2]

I don't think I could ever get excited about starting Ramandre. You know, he's kind of losing his.

[Host 5]

A lot of times in your life.

[Host 2]

What's that?

[Host 5]

You've been excited about starting Ramandre a lot of times in your life in.

[Host 2]

The past, but now, like never again?

[Host 5]

Maybe.

[Host 2]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like I don't in this current form of reminder. But now I'd say I feel pretty yucky about him. Heath.

[Host 5]

I, I would, I'd still like at this point, I'd still start him over the Chargers. I'd still start him over the Broncos. He's. He's in that. I don't have two good running backs range. So I'm going to start Andre Stevenson.

[Host 2]

I have to start him over Ken Walker.

[Host 5]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

In the league. Yeah.

[Host 3]

If he's, if he's still the guy. You know, again, the, the, the wording is very tricky here because Gerard Mayo said he may not start or Antonio Gibson might start. That does not mean Stevenson does not play.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 3]

So it could be first drive is Gibson and Gibson has not been good when he's gotten a lot of work. It's not like he's been Zach Charbonnet getting a lot of work and doing great things with it. So it could be okay. You've been benched now. Now get back in there.

[Host 2]

All right. And Hunter Henry is. Is interesting because I know we're not going to start a Patriots receiver, wide receiver, but he is a top 12 guy. He's top 10 for you guys. But he does have a tough matchup. Any scenario where you see yourself getting away from Hunter Henry, maybe for Okonkwo.

[Host 5]

I would not sit him for anybody who is available on the waiver wire. I've got him one spot ahead of Okonkwo, but he's in the, in the circle of trust for me. I was gonna see when was the last time he faced the how do you do? In his last revenge game. This is the revenge game.

[Host 3]

He's played them twice. He hasn't done well.

[Host 2]

Again, the last time he faced them it was six nothing. Right.

[Host 5]

That's true.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 3]

But he's also done it with the, the non Brady quarterbacks.

[Host 5]

Right.

[Host 2]

All right. And the Chargers DST is top 12. Patriots allow the fifth most fantasy points to DSTs. Arizona's at the Rams after a commercial break. So we'll be right back on Fantasy Football today. We'll break down this final Saturday game and then we've got four on Sunday after this. This episode is brought to you by Lifelock. The holidays mean more travel, more shopping, more time online and more personal info in places that could expose you to identity theft. That's why LifeLock monitors millions of data points every second. If your identity is stolen, their US based restoration specialist will fix it, guaranteed or your money back. Get more holiday fun and less holiday worry with LifeLock. Save up to 40% your first year. Visit LifeLock.com podcast terms apply bored with your boring cardio?

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[Host 5]

I mean it's not just. Well, I mean they've won their last four, but this is really a trend that's really kind of taken hold in the last month. His last four games 19, 27, 30 and 24 pass attempts and half of them go to Pukinakua, which is why I'm really nervous about Cooper Cup. I. I Think Stafford is right? Maybe at the end of that range of borderline QB ones I was talking about. They've got him at 16 or something. I did pick him up in one league where I have Jalen hurts. Thanks, Adam, for not blocking that move. I tried, but yeah, it's. If, if, if you need a Jalen hurts replacement, he's probably the best one that might be available, but I really don't want to start him.

[Host 2]

Yeah, that was so funny because I looked at your lineup and I was like, he's either going to pick up Stafford or Rogers, but he also might block me from getting a DST I like. So I staggered my waiver claims in a way where I. I put in claims for both Rogers and Stafford and I didn't get either one. You got both.

[Host 5]

So I got both Stafford and Rogers, which will make that an agonizing decision if I have to make it.

[Host 2]

Well, I'm winning five. Nothing on the back of mix it in Fairbairn, so. All right. So Kyler, though, you know, Jamie's got Kyler 19th and he's. The way you spoke about Kyler earlier, didn't really feel like a guy that you have ranked 6. It seemed like. It didn't seem like much. But are you going to move him down?

[Host 5]

I think in the. Yeah, I was looking at the projections, not the rankings, but I mean, he's. He's maybe closer to ninth.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Host 5]

But I still think that he has the ability to score 30 points at any time. And if they're gonna be playing from behind against. In this game against the Rams, I like his chances of scoring a late touchdown. I. I think he's a 22, 23 point quarterback this week.

[Host 2]

As I look at the rankings, I'm seeing a video from yesterday's show and that sweater I'm wearing just. Just hideous. Jamie, you have like no faith in Kyler Murray. Do you have any faith in Marvin Harrison?

[Host 3]

No, I don't. I don't like when Kyler Murray is in an unmotivated potential mopey situation and he's got offensive line issues a week after he just got eliminated against a Rams team that is coming back home after playing in two miserable weather games that they have a chance to show you who they are in a spotlight game and they are the best team in the NFC west and they are a legitimate playoff contender and I think they're gonna kick the bleep out of the Cardinals in this game. So I don't think Kyler's gonna have a good game. He Certainly could do everything he said because he's got that ability. But I think he's going to be running for his life. I think he's going, which could be a good thing. But they, they got embarrassed by Marvin Harrison in the first game in Week 2. Stafford did not play well. That was the game where I believe cup was injured because Puka was injured in week one. So you have the receivers back. Yes. Stafford's numbers have been down in. In wins again. Two of those games were in in pretty crappy situations where they just decided, okay, we can't throw in San Francisco and we don't need to throw against the Jets. I think this is a get right game for the passing game. So I totally agree that it's risky to trust Cooper cup, but it would not surprise me if he does have a bounce back game. Puka is going to get his numbers. He's great. So Stafford I think does have an opportunity here to have a big game.

[Host 5]

The thing that Jamie said that I hope is true is that Kyler Murray is running for his life. Because when Kyler Murray's running, I feel good about starting him in fantasy when Kyler Murray's not. The two games before last week he had a combined 27 rushing yards. If that's the Kyler Murray we get, it's going to be a really bad time. But I think he has five games this year where he scored 12 fantasy points with his legs alone. Oh, he's always got that possibility.

[Host 3]

I think that the worst thing for them is if they get behind early.

[Host 2]

I'm gonna read some chat questions about this game. All right, here we go. Stafford or Murray?

[Host 3]

Stafford for me.

[Host 5]

Murray for me.

[Host 2]

Kyler or Herbert?

[Host 3]

Don't really love either one, but I go Herbert.

[Host 5]

Kyler for me.

[Host 2]

No, that's not one about this game. Here we go. Khalil Shakir, Devonte Smith or Marvin Harrison Jr.

[Host 3]

I'd find a new stack.

[Host 2]

He's got a Kyler stack. But who's your favorite receiver there, Smith, Shakir or Harrison in PPR currently.

[Host 3]

Shakir. That might change if Jalen Hurts is back.

[Host 5]

Shakir.

[Host 2]

But it ain't going to be Marvin Harrison.

[Host 3]

No, no.

[Host 2]

Marvin Harrison or Ramandre Stevenson body turquoise yoga pose.

[Host 3]

Unless Gerard Mayo says that Ramandre is the starter. I would go Harrison.

[Host 5]

I would go Stevenson. I want to go back to that last question. Harrison would actually be my favorite if it was a non PPR league against.

[Host 2]

Devonte and Khalil Shakir. But this is a full PBR league. Okay. Right. And Kyler or Bo Nix Tyler for me. Okay. So where is Harrison? Is Harrison in your top 30?

[Host 3]

No.

[Host 2]

Start. McBride and Cooper cup. Jamie, we talked about McConkey earlier. Would you go McConkey or cup and let me do cup versus some running backs. Cup or Giant Starting running back.

[Host 3]

Tracy over cup. Cup over Singletary.

[Host 5]

Yep.

[Host 2]

Wait, you'd start cup over Singletary if Tracy were out. So you'd rather have you. Okay, my thought.

[Host 5]

I'd rather have Tracy play start.

[Host 2]

Gotcha.

[Host 3]

I'm not viewing Singletary as a one for one replacement.

[Host 2]

Tony Pollard or Cooper cup if Pollard.

[Host 5]

Plays Pollard cup and full PPR. Pollard and half and nine.

[Host 2]

Brian Robinson Jr. Against the Falcons or cup.

[Host 5]

Robinson.

[Host 2]

Okay. And let's talk about the running backs in this game. Kyron is a slam dunk, right?

[Host 3]

Yep.

[Host 2]

How we feel about James Connor if he plays? He's been red hot.

[Host 3]

He would not be a top 12 guy for me. Again, offensive line concerns. Rams run defense I think is starting to look a little bit better. So again, you could say, okay, maybe it's who they played. But not 100 healthy, clearly. So I'd be a little concerned.

[Host 5]

We. We currently don't have him or Trey Benson ranked. So Connor would be a number two running back. Benson, if Connor was out and Benson was active, would be a. A borderline number two running back if they're both out. Michael Carter's a good flex.

[Host 2]

All right. And that's the end of that chapter. You could start the Rams DST if you wish. They are 7th for Jamie, 8th for Dave, 16th for Heath. The jets are at the Bills, so Aaron Rodgers is in that mix with Matthew Stafford. And over under 20 fantasy points for Rogers.

[Host 3]

Under. He's not that mixed for me with Stafford.

[Host 2]

He's not.

[Host 5]

I thought he's like, I've got it under.

[Host 2]

I thought they were separated by only.

[Host 3]

A few spots for me.

[Host 2]

Five spots for you. Never mind. Okay, you have Stafford 13th, Rogers 18th. My fault.

[Host 5]

I've got it 15 and 16 right now.

[Host 2]

Okay, Heath, can I choose which quarterback you start against me, Rogers or Stafford?

[Host 5]

Oh, that would be fun. What I realized, and I'm glad you didn't just let me have Stafford and then block Rogers was. I'm not sure I'm gonna know when Stafford plays if Hertz is okay. Oh, yeah, Because Stafford's a Saturday game, so I'll probably choose Stafford if Hertz is ruled out. And wait for Rogers if Hertz has.

[Host 3]

A potential playing according to Kevin Roth. Also, it's a potential heavy rain in Buffalo.

[Host 5]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Okay. So I probably. Yeah, Rogers versus Stafford. Rogers definitely has the higher floor because Stafford's thrown for 183 or fewer yards in three of his last four games. But Stafford definitely has the higher ceiling because Aaron Rodgers has three games is more than 22 fantasy points this year. All right, so Breece hall is a number two running back. He's top. He's 17th, 18th for you guys. We talked a lot about him yesterday. And you, you guys would start him over. Garrett Wilson. Right. Like, so if you reflecting the jets guys, it'd be Adams, Hall, Wilson.

[Host 5]

Yep.

[Host 3]

Sure.

[Host 2]

Okay. All right, then how we feel about James Cook? Good Cook week.

[Host 3]

I mean, he's basically a must start running back. So you gotta, you know, Charbonnet versus I'll give you again real life scenario. I have Barkley, Cook, Chase Brown, and Charbonnet. You only play three of them.

[Host 2]

Wait, who?

[Host 3]

Barkley, Cook, Chase Brown, Barkley Cook, Chase Brown and Charbonnet. I'm currently sitting Cook.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah, the Cook is out of the kitchen.

[Host 5]

I am playing Adam in the podcast league. Jamie and I have.

[Host 2]

I don't want to hear this.

[Host 5]

Charbonnet, Bucky, and James Cook. So I gotta start Charbonnet and Bucky over, I think at running back and then a wide receiver. I've got A.J. brown, Brian Thomas, and Mike Evans.

[Host 3]

I mean, it's, it's easy for you. If you want to get away from Brown with Pickett, then you just start Cook.

[Host 5]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

You guys done?

[Host 3]

But you just, you can't take your headphones off. When you just said, I looked at your team to see who I have to block.

[Host 2]

I only looked at the quarterback situation. That was a different league. That was a different league.

[Host 5]

So you don't want to know who's on my team.

[Host 2]

Correct. I don't want to be stressed out. I don't want to be stressed out. I don't want to be stressed out. I just want to watch the games, enjoy the games and not be like, oh, no, I'm losing in fantasy. You know, I don't want that. Who wants that? All right. Khalil Shakir, horrible game. His first game all year with. With single digit PPR fantasy points. When he played a normal snapshare, he had a couple of games. Like there was like a blowout, there was an injury, something like that. Where. But. But when he has been on the field for his normal snapshare. Double digit PPR fantasy points every game except last week where he had two catches for 22 yards on six targets. He is a. He is 40th for. Oh, no, sorry. That's non PPR. Okay. He's 27th for Heath. He's 33rd for Jamie. He's obviously better in full PPR, so we'll average it out. Call him 30 or so Khalil Shakir. But behind Garrett Wilson, right? Yeah.

[Host 5]

Yeah. One spot behind Wilson for me, I think, is where he'll be right now. Oh, and full ppr. Not. Not close and none.

[Host 2]

All right. We're just expecting, like, you know, low double 12. Yeah, 12ish fantasy points. Okay, starters at Dalton Kincaid.

[Host 3]

So jets have been really bad against tight ends lately. Like, awful against tight ends lately, which was a strength for them. Remember going into the Dolphins game, we thought, wow, they're really good against tight ends. And they didn't give up catch to Johnny Smith until overtime. Well, it's kind of since overtime, they've fallen apart. Kincaid's got back to back games with seven targets, but he's been miserable. So he had 11.1 PPR points in the first game against them. I think that's kind of the high if you're going to expect an optimistic view of Dalton.

[Host 2]

Kate, what a bust.

[Host 5]

I don't understand how he doesn't like playing with Josh Allen, how he doesn't score more fantasy points. But in his last four games, he has 29 targets and 26.4 PPR fantasy points.

[Host 2]

It's no good. Daniel wants to know Dalton Kincaid or Brenton Strange?

[Host 3]

Kincaid.

[Host 5]

You. You can't get. Like, there's only two teams playing. You can't get Chig or Dalton. I guess Schultz is done, and he didn't do anything. Anyway, I. Strange.

[Host 2]

You know, I feel like I could have. I could. I was pretty high on Dalton Schultz compared to you guys. I don't. I don't feel like I lost that. I feel like C.J. stroud lost that. He had six targets. He had, like, a big gain, and Stroud completely missed him.

[Host 3]

Yep.

[Host 2]

It wasn't my fault. It was C.J. stroud's fault. Next game, Colts are at the Giants. Tough place to play. The Giants have only lost eight in a row at home. Actually, going back to last year. It could be more than that. But they are winless at home.

[Host 3]

I saw the NFL memes account, I think, which is hilarious. The Mets have a win more recently than the Giants do.

[Host 2]

She's. There's.

[Host 5]

And I'll have you know that the Giants won their last game of the 2023 season. They. They walloped the Philadelphia Eagles.

[Host 2]

Oh, did they?

[Host 5]

This 2710 that's the only.

[Host 3]

Which game are they gonna win to screw it up for you?

[Host 2]

It's the Eagles next week. They're gonna beat them. They're gonna probably crush them. It's pathetic. All right, so here's your stat of the game. If you.

[Host 3]

You'll know if Brian Dable is coming back, if they win or lose.

[Host 2]

I don't.

[Host 5]

What do you want right now, Adam?

[Host 2]

What's that?

[Host 5]

What do you want between the gm, head coach, return. Like do you want both back? Do you want one back?

[Host 2]

You know, unfortunately I think Joe Shane's done a pretty bad job. Their gm.

[Host 5]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Just drafts have just not been good and I just, just. I don't think you can run away from that. I think they got to make a change there. I'm fine.

[Host 3]

How long has he been there?

[Host 2]

Three years. This draft class looks pretty damn good though. Neighbors, Tracy, Tyler Newbin. I saw Drew Phillips, their third round cornerback is like the seventh best, seventh highest rated cornerback in pff. So. And who Theo Johnson. It's good draft but his other. His other two have not been good. Anyway, I'd say keep Dable, but I don't care. If you can get Ben Johnson, go get him stat of the game. I don't.

[Host 3]

You just. I don't care.

[Host 2]

I don't care. You can't win.

[Host 5]

It's broken.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I am. Malik Neighbors is averaging in his last nine games is when all the struggles started. In his last nine games he's averaging 33.4 yards per game in the first three quarters and 31.3 in the fourth quarter. So if you have Malik Neighbors just relax. He'll get it done in the fourth quarter when they're trailing by 30.

[Host 3]

I think the one thing with the Giants from a job perspective, it's not a bad job to step into knowing that you're going to get a quarterback because if the tackles are healthy, it's not a bad offensive line to start with. The defensive line should be great.

[Host 2]

It change. Everything changes. When they beat the Eagles and they have like the sixth pick in the.

[Host 3]

Draft you still may get Cam Ward there.

[Host 2]

I think Warden Sanders are going to be like two of the top three picks. This is the way it goes. You know they probably by the way.

[Host 3]

Prisco has a fantastic idea for the Raiders instead of trading up to go get a quarterback, Brady trains trades for his Michigan guy in Minnesota for McCarthy, gives up a first round pick to get McCarthy instead of multiple first to move up and then they signed Darnold and Darnold stays In Minnesota.

[Host 2]

Okay. I thought Brady just come out of retirement. I thought that's where we were going with that. So who would you start Anthony Richardson over?

[Host 3]

Rogers? Stafford. Yep.

[Host 2]

Jamie would start him over Kyler Heath would not.

[Host 5]

I would start him over Nicks.

[Host 2]

Jamie.

[Host 5]

I would start him over Tua.

[Host 3]

Yep. Great.

[Host 2]

All right. He's 10th for Jamie, 11th for Dave, 13th for Heath. He scored 22.2 or more fantasy points in six point leagues in three of his last five games. In the other two games, less than 15 fantasy points. So hopefully. I mean, the Giants are an absolute joke right now. It just can't.

[Host 3]

He's been since coming back from the benching 6.1 fantasy points with his rushing totals alone in every game.

[Host 5]

I don't think he has a game between 15 and 22 fantasy points, does he?

[Host 3]

No.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 5]

Every game has been above 22 or below 15.

[Host 3]

Right. The bad games, he's missed the second touchdown.

[Host 2]

All right, so this is a tough one. Zach Charbonnet or Jonathan Taylor?

[Host 5]

Germany.

[Host 3]

Charbonnet is easy in PPR. In non PPR. I mean, Taylor could have another 150 and two on the ground. And so whatever Charbonnet makes up with his receptions will be tough to catch.

[Host 5]

So I've got Charbonnet in half and fully and non. I agree. I'd go with Taylor.

[Host 2]

Would you start Josh Downs over Khalil Shakir?

[Host 5]

No, I would not.

[Host 2]

Would you start Josh?

[Host 3]

The weather is that awful? Is the weather supposed to be bad for the Giants game too?

[Host 2]

Must be rainy, I believe, but I.

[Host 3]

Don'T think scattered showers possible. How is Buffalo not in one of the mentions. Oh, it is. I'm sorry. I was New England.

[Host 2]

Would you start Josh Downs over Marvin Harrison Jr.

[Host 3]

Yes. No.

[Host 5]

I would also start him over Devonte Smith if Hertz is out.

[Host 2]

The way the Giants defended the middle of the field last week was bad, but you do have to worry about 15 pass attempts or something like that from. Right, that's the problem from Richardson. All right, so Downs is like a number three receiver? Yeah, yeah. Number three. Four. Yeah. I'd say he's like a number four wide receiver based on your rankings. Sit. Drew Lock. All right, we'll get to Tracy in a minute. You guys are starting Malik Neighbors. We talked about him earlier. Who would you start? Malik Neighbors or Tyrone Tracy? Who's a better flex?

[Host 3]

I think Neighbors just with Tracy's injury concern right now. But they're very similar. Non PPR Tracy.

[Host 5]

I'd go Tracy and non and half. I'd go Neighbors in full but they're both starts for me.

[Host 2]

Running back stinks this week, huh?

[Host 3]

It really does.

[Host 2]

Because I wouldn't really want to consider Tyrone Tracy a start. I mean, he just.

[Host 3]

I mean, look, he's a score. He does that to score. But you know, you look at the targets with Drew Locke, that's kind of something I think you could somewhat hang your hat on and say that's going to be consistent. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, it's. I have him in in three or maybe it's one is a consolation game. Four, four matchups, one's consolation game, three finals. Like one just stuck having to start Abdullah and, and Tracy and it's like I'm happy that I get those guys.

[Host 5]

At least I, I think. I think with the targets. I feel pretty good about him as number two running back. 18 targets in his last three games. Two of those games he scored double digit fantasy points without a touchdown.

[Host 2]

He scored 14.5 or more PPR fantasy points in four of his last six games. It's. It's pretty impressive. It's just, just here are the Giants running back carries. Well, no, that's only in their blowouts. Maybe they won't get blown out. Just keep it close. Seven and a half point underdogs at home. All right, so that's Tracy. And if Tracy's out, you would have Singletary ranked below where you currently have Tracy?

[Host 5]

Yeah.

[Host 3]

Not by much, but yes.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Host 3]

It.

[Host 2]

Would you go with Singletary or a Raiders running back if Tracy were out?

[Host 3]

Singletary.

[Host 5]

I'd probably go with the Raiders.

[Host 2]

Okay. Yeah. Like I can't do this. I have Singletary on my bench and I have Ramondre in my starting lineup and I would start Singletary over a Mondre if I knew on Saturday that Tracy were out. I don't know that we will. So that's.

[Host 3]

So. I mean, we'll get this scenario a lot. If he doesn't practice Friday, what would you do?

[Host 2]

I also have Tajie Spears, so I might just sit Ramondre and hope for the best and then play Spears if. If Tracy plays and I can't start Singletary, but I would. I would play it. I mean, I don't. I think Spears could be horrible this week, but you never know. Like, I just don't have a lot of faith in Andre Stevenson is the bottom line. All right, Colts DST is top five. Second for Jamie, fifth for Heath, second for Dave. Tennessee is at Jacksonville. Your stat of the game. Chigo Conquo Managers I'm sure I gave this on on Tuesday show. But the Jaguars have allowed 70 yards or a touchdown to a tight end in seven of their last 10 games. That includes Cole Comet, Brock Wright, Dalton Schultz, TJ Hawkinson, etc. So Chico Conquo is worth starting this week. How do you feel about, like, compare how you feel about Chico conquo right now to how you were feeling about Breton Strange a week ago.

[Host 3]

Well, you have two game sample size for Chick as opposed to one game sample size for Strange. Obviously he's been in the mix more so than Strange. Strange needed Evan Ingram's injury to, you know, elevate him to a starting role. So a. Why has Chick not been doing this even in two previous starts for Rudolph, you know, why did it take until now? I think it's a matter of offensive line issues for the Titans. Ball out a little bit quicker for Rudolph and you know, they sort of unlock something I think in the second half of that Bengals game. So really it was never a. Oh, these targets are coming from Nick Westbrook, Akini, you know, it's. The targets have been relatively the same. I could be off by a few, but for Ridley, you know, they, they've been relatively constant at 12 targets against the Jaguars the first time around. So, you know, that's not really the best sample size. But in these two games, the targets haven't exactly, oh my God. Ridley's not getting anything. And Westbrook, he's not getting anything. And Tyler Boyd's not getting anything. You know, Chick's just getting targets on his own. You know, Rudolph, I think is just leaning on him. So matchup is good. Last two games, 21 targets catch has been there. You know, the touchdowns haven't been there. And Dave talked about this on Tuesday, that the, the surprising thing to me, at least when he brought this up is the lack of explosive plays because he's one of the more explosive, athletic tight ends in the league based on what he did at the combine. So there's a chance for him to be explosive. So I, I think he's, he's one of these guys that's worth starting if you're stuck at the position. So the Kincaid's, the pits, the Comets, any of these guys that, you know, you've been, you know, rolling out there, Hawkinson, you know, he's better than, than him. It's, it's worth trusting. And then, you know, look, we, we've been talking about a lot of these crappy running backs. He might be a better flex than these guys too.

[Host 2]

And you know, you talk about the Explosive plays. So. So you, you said a lot of things. You really hit the nail on the head because the last two games for Mason Rudolph, Mason Rudolph's air yards per pass attempt have been 5.4 yards and 6.3 yards. He's throwing very short and Chigo Conko is the, the primary beneficiary of that, I would say. And also there was a play in the game last week against the Colts where he made a great move on a safety deep down the field. And he's streaking wide open. Chico conquo down the field. It could have been like a 60 yard touchdown. You don't see tight. Like, that was a really impressive play for a tight end. But as Mason Rudolph was throwing it, he got hit as he threw and he ball like kind of fluttered for an incomplete pass. So they were going to take one shot with Okonkwo. It did not work, but it could have. But yeah, just a lot of really short area targets and he's been the guy. His adot's been very low. That's why you're not getting explosive plays. Like that's really tied to a dot for a lot of players and. But he is getting a lot of catches. So it's two games in a row for Chig with 1919 points last week, 14 PPR fantasy points the week before, and another good matchup here. But do we have any interest in Brenton Strange? I mean, it wasn't just the one game for Brenton Strange. He was solid. He was like 8ish PPR fantasy points in 3 or 4 games without Ingram earlier in the year. So could he at least get back to that? Heath, do we have a hope for him getting eight fantasy points or realistic hope?

[Host 5]

Oh, I think we have a realistic hope that he could score eight fantasy points. Yes. That's exactly how excited you should be about Brendan Strange. He. He's a top 15 tight end for me. Like, it wouldn't be surprising if he rebounded a little bit. But we've now seen what six games without Evan Ingram and his targets have gone 6, 5, 3, 4, 12, 4. It's pretty easy to spot the outlier. I'd expect he's gonna get five or six targets and you're gonna need a touchdown for him to get double digit fantasy points.

[Host 2]

Okay, so if you had to take a shot, I'm one. We'll just fire through the rest of this game. Ready? Here we go. If you had to take a shot on one of these running backs or quarterbacks. Quarterbacks who would it be Rudolph Mason. If you had to take a shot on one of these running backs, who would it be?

[Host 5]

Pollard. As long as he plays Spears. If he doesn't.

[Host 2]

How do you feel about ETN and Bigsby?

[Host 3]

I think they're both potential flexes. Bigsby scored against them the last time, and he's got four straight games with double digits and carries. But he's touched on a bust. And ETN prior to last week had started to get a little Momentum with 11 PPR points in two games. 11 plus PPR points in two straight games. But then he just goes back to doing nothing. So they're flexes.

[Host 2]

Here's a tough question from the chat. Tony Pollard or DeAndre Swift?

[Host 3]

I. If you don't have. These are the only two running backs you have, you got to play Swift. If you have Spears. If you have a Raiders running back, like, I'd wait.

[Host 2]

There's really no indication that Pollard's gonna miss the game. He never practices. He made it through last week, but you might need to play it safe, I guess.

[Host 3]

I mean, he's. He's two touchdowns away or one touchdown away.

[Host 5]

Two touchdowns away from $200,000.

[Host 3]

80 yards rushing.

[Host 5]

80 yards away from 250, 000.

[Host 3]

So there is the potential of him still doing it in one game. I mean, the two touchdowns is tough, but he can. He can maybe say, okay, I'm gonna sit this one out, be healthy, and then come back and try and do it next week.

[Host 2]

Who's a better flex, a Jaguars running back or Calvin Ridley?

[Host 3]

I would say Ridley. I mean, they clearly made an effort to get him the ball the last time against Jacksonville, and there's big play potential here against this defense. So I would take Ridley.

[Host 5]

Yep. Ridley.

[Host 2]

Ridley or Harrison.

[Host 3]

Really, for me, Ridley.

[Host 2]

Ridley or Garrett Wilson?

[Host 3]

Wilson.

[Host 5]

Wilson.

[Host 2]

Brian Thomas or A.J. brown?

[Host 3]

Thomas.

[Host 2]

Thomas.

[Host 5]

I'm starting both against you in the podcast league.

[Host 2]

Oh, man. All right, that's it for that game. You're gonna start Parker Washington and Miami's at Cleveland. All right. Your stat of the game is just about the Dolphins very good run defense. However, they. They do give up some passing, Receiving production. Receiving production to running backs. So I gave you the stat of.

[Host 5]

The game before the show.

[Host 2]

What was it?

[Host 5]

Jerome Ford is one of three running backs since he entered the NFL with 40 with four rushes of 60 or more yards.

[Host 2]

Unbelievable. And the other two were Saquon Barkley and Derek Henry. Yeah.

[Host 5]

Ten teams do not have a rush play of 60 or more yards since Jerome Ford into the league. He has Four of them.

[Host 2]

Good for him.

[Host 5]

Starter set number two, running back.

[Host 3]

He's a starter. Yeah. I mean, he's kind of like the. The end of the guys. I feel comfortable with this week. 19, 20 range.

[Host 2]

You do feel comfortable with him.

[Host 3]

Yeah, you said it. The. The role in the passing game, I think is the biggest thing. They've given up 20 receptions to running backs in the last four games, so this has been a spot where you can have some success. I think they're going to be chasing points. I think we'll see DTR under pressure, throwing the ball to his backs. You know, Deontay Foreman's fumble at the goal line clearly cost him playing time. And if they get close to the end zone, I think he's going to be the one that they trust the most. So is it as good as it was last week?

[Host 2]

No.

[Host 3]

But still a potential to have a decent game. I don't think it's a. It's a safe game by any stretch, but like I said, tail end of the guys that I. I would say okay, if I have him, I'm. I'm okay with it. I don't want to have to start him, clearly, because it's just a bad environment altogether. But he at least has shown you something. And the situation for the Browns at least might get a little bit better because of Foreman struggles.

[Host 2]

Would you start Jerome Ford or Tyreek Hill?

[Host 5]

I would go with Jerome Ford and that this game is another one. And again, we're gonna have to wait until Sunday morning and we're gonna have a weather discussion. But we've mentioned Kevin Roth several times. He's got three Sunday games with an orange right now because of heavy rains. And it's the jets at Buffalo, it's the Dolphins at Cleveland, it's the Falcons at Washington. So this is one we'll be talking about on Sunday morning about how the weather looks. But I've got Tyreek Hill as a low end, number two wide receiver right.

[Host 2]

Now, and Jamie's got him 14th. And you know, honestly, we're going to talk about this game because the quarterback. Think about how much Jerry Judy could change in the rankings depending on who's playing quarterback in this game. Both Thompson Robinson and Jameis Winston were listed as limited in practice, and we don't know who it's going to be. And there's a lot that's up in the air. I think you know exactly what to do if Dorian Thompson Robinson is the quarterback. You cannot start as a wide receiver. And you can start David Najoku if he plays. But then there's a scenario. What if Najoku doesn't play? Then can we go back to Judy if DTR is the quarterback? I don't know.

[Host 3]

No.

[Host 5]

No.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Host 3]

I was watching Hard Knocks last night. The most recent episode was aired earlier in the week, and it was, you know, Jamis helping DTR get ready for the Bengals game. And he was like, we got a stud. And Jerry Jude just got to feed him. And it was like. Well, he didn't listen to that.

[Host 2]

Oh, man. That's good advice. Okay, so in the Dolphins dst, I mean, if Jameis plays, would you still start the Dolphins DST or would you try to pivot? Pivot?

[Host 3]

I mean, look, he's clearly been very good for opposing defenses.

[Host 2]

Yeah. But he could also be really bad. He's got the most wide, widest range of outcomes.

[Host 3]

James, the Dolphins are my number one defense this week, so they would not be number one. I picked up the Dolphins. I picked up the Colts in a lot of matchups going into week 16 with the hope of if I won, I'd be starting the colts in week 17 in at least three of those. I also added the Dolphins this week, so I'm carrying both just to keep. Keep the Dolphins away from my opponent. I will easily pivot to the Colts if Jamis starts, but if Jamis starts and I didn't pick up the Colts or I don't have a great dst, like, there's still pick six potential across the board for Jameis, as we know, or just interceptions across the board from. I mean, he was turnover prone against the Chiefs before he got benched.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 5]

He had 12 interceptions, five fumbles, and 24 sacks in his eight starts. Like, I. Even if he throws her 400 yards, he's probably still going to make the DST. Good.

[Host 3]

Yeah. Think about that Broncos game, how great he was for. For the Broncos defense despite throwing for 400 yards.

[Host 2]

I have a question. If James Winston plays, would you start him or Tua?

[Host 3]

Oh, man. With the weather being bad. Him.

[Host 2]

Okay. Yeah. And thankfully for Tua, it is not cold. It is not going to be all that cold, but it could be very rainy start. Hn just gonna throw this out there. The Browns are actually very good against pass catching running backs. And Hn doesn't usually have his huge receiving games when he faces these types of teams. So if you're facing Devon Hn in your fantasy championship, he might not have quite as many fantasy points as he usually does. Tua is. Is a sit. If you can but he's not, like, a terrible option. He's in the Stafford range, I suppose. A little behind for Jamie, I think. A little. Oh, but behind Stafford for both of you, and that's it. And Tyree Kill. Yeah, we already talked about Tyree Kill. Oh, is David Najoku John, who's a start, obviously David Ajoku an easy start if he plays.

[Host 5]

Yep.

[Host 3]

Yeah. A little bit concerned with the multiple injuries, you know, saying he played through the hamstring injury and, you know, they were proud of him for gutting it out. And then now the knee injury on top of it in rainy weather. Like, if you're him, why are you playing?

[Host 2]

Pride, Jamie. Pride. Hurricane pride.

[Host 3]

Yeah, don't. Don't get hurt and hurt yourself for an off season of rehab.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Okay. Well, we are out of here, everybody. Good luck to you. We'll be back.

[Host 3]

You critiqued me all over the place for the hour and 20 shows. You're five minutes better.

[Host 2]

It's a big five minutes.

[Host 3]

That is a big five minutes.

[Host 5]

Yeah, he does. David Joku does get $88,000 for every game he's active.

[Host 2]

I'd play. I'd play.

[Host 5]

That's a pretty good reason to play. I'm just looking up incentives for the rest of the week.

[Host 2]

I like that. All right, have a good one, everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

[Host 3]

If he's injured and legitimately can't pay, they're not.

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Play as an active game. Bonus per game.

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