Start or Sit (AFC): Lamar and Mahomes, RJ Harvey, Khalil Shakir and More (12/04 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today – Start or Sit (AFC): Lamar and Mahomes, RJ Harvey, Khalil Shakir and More (12/04/25)

Date: December 4, 2025
Hosts: Adam Aizer, Heath Cummings, Jamie Eisenberg
Theme: AFC Start/Sit Breakdown – Week 14

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Overview

In this episode, Adam, Heath, and Jamie help listeners navigate a pivotal Week 14, offering crucial Start/Sit advice for every AFC game. With the fantasy playoffs looming and numerous teams vying for a spot, the crew highlights key quarterback questions (Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes), late-season breakouts (RJ Harvey, Khalil Shakir), injury impacts, and deep flex decisions. This episode is packed with context-specific rankings, actionable player comparisons, and lively debate—perfect for listeners facing stressful lineup choices.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The State of Week 14: High Stakes & Injury Landmines

• Playoff drama: More "must-win" scenarios than ever, both in the NFL playoff race and fantasy leagues.
• Host banter: The opening features friendly ribbing about ongoing playoff standings, plus a funny dispute about game show rules (13:22).

2. Players We Love (Starts of the Week)

• Jacoby Brissette, Michael Wilson, Brenton Strange: All cited by Jamie as prime fill-in/waiver targets due to matchup and opportunity, particularly with injury/inactive teammates.
  • Jamie: “Brissette was basically a must add…four out of the last six quarterbacks on the road against the Rams have been 19.5 fantasy points or more." (05:00)
• Quinshon Judkins: Heath projects a heavy workload (“might have 25 rush attempts”) and has him top-18 among RBs. (07:09)
• Jordan Love vs. Bears: Heath points out the high volume potential and recent improvement; Love is a strong QB2/low-end QB1 this week, especially if Bears LB TJ Edwards is sidelined.

3. Players to Avoid (Sits of the Week)

• Caleb Williams (Bears) at Packers: Off-target throw issues, tough defense, and potentially freezing weather make him a low-end QB1/high-end QB2. (10:00)
• Woody Marks: Volume is fine but efficiency is “disgusting,” and the Arrowhead matchup is daunting (10:11).
• David Montgomery: Jamie worries about reduced role ("Montgomery is a touchdown-dependent flex" – 10:11).
• Justin Herbert: Jamie is out, anticipating injury limitations and recent poor output (11:30).
• Kareem Hunt, Romo Odunze: Jamie is bearish, especially vs. tough matchups and due to role/injury uncertainty.

4. Major Question: What to Do With Slumping Stud QBs?

Lamar Jackson vs. Steelers (23:03, 39:00)

• Three straight games under 7.2 fantasy points; only 1 TD pass in 4 games.
• Jamie: “Still a start, but mostly out of FOMO.” Weighs his past struggles vs. Mike Tomlin teams and Baltimore’s likely run-heavy script.
• Heath: “If I’m a 15-point underdog, I’m playing Lamar Jackson. Too much upside to leave on the bench.” (39:18)

Patrick Mahomes vs. Houston (23:29, 46:27)

• Mahomes ranks as a start, but “you have reason to be nervous.”
• Both Jamie and Heath would take him under 22 points, but insist there are not enough better options this week (46:27).
• Jamie: “I wish the offensive line was healthy. Down three linemen, this defense is just nasty.” (46:36)

5. Deep Flex/RB2/WR3 Dilemmas

• AD Mitchell: Heath likes him as a WR3; higher target share and air yard dominance, but admits “he’s borderline unplayable when the ball’s thrown his way.” (72:30)
• Sutton/Franklin: Sutton is a low-end WR2 vs. LV; Franklin is volatile and just lost significant snaps to Pat Bryant. “Franklin’s a very low floor and never a huge upside.” (61:35)
• RJ Harvey & Ashton Jeanty: Jeanty has the PPR edge; Harvey preferred in other formats—role clarity has reversed from preseason. (25:21, 64:48)

6. Tight End Triage

• Harold Fannin, Brenton Strange, Dalton Schultz, Mark Andrews:
  • Strange and Fannin talked up as volume-focused starts if your options are thin.
  • Jamie: “Fannin’s pretty much led the Browns in target share; with Sanders at QB, he’s up to 27%.” (27:24)
  • Kincaid, Schultz, and Strange are solid options but injury designations must be monitored.

7. Notable Injury Nuggets & News

• Marvin Harrison Jr., Greg Dortch, T. Higgins, etc.: Updates throughout (19:17+)
• O-line and D-line status highlighted for Chiefs, Bills, Steelers—key context for risky RB/WR decisions.

8. Live Listener Q&A: Key Debates

• Lamar Jackson or Jordan Love? Consensus: Love (43:48)
• Kincaid or Fannin? Split: Jamie (Kincaid if healthy), Heath (Fannin for safety—60:33)
• Kareem Hunt or Woody Marks? Split with light conviction; Hunt possibly better TD odds (49:00)
• Dozens of rapid-fire questions comparing second-tier WRs, RBs, and TEs—Pierce, Myers, McLaurin, Mitchell, etc.

9. Memorable Quotes & Fun Moments

• Heath (on Adam's hosting): “You are the worst game show host...and you’re biased on top of that. You are like a WWE referee who is both bad at your job...and also regularly makes mistakes.” (13:22)
• Adam on WRs this week: “You could argue top 15 wide receivers might suck too. That’s how we feel about the position.” (69:08)
• Heath on AD Mitchell: "He's sixth in targets since he joined the Jets...borderline elite at getting open, borderline unplayable when the ball's thrown his way.” (72:30)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Start/Sit QB: Lamar Jackson, Mahomes – 23:03, 23:29, 39:00, 46:27
• Players We Love/Avoid – 05:00, 10:00
• WW & Flex Fliers (Jeanty, Harvey, Sutton, Shakir) – 25:21, 24:47, 57:43, 61:35
• Injury News & Roster Notes – 17:00–21:29
• Live Q&A Rapid Fire – (34:55, 35:01, 43:48, 60:24, throughout)
• D/ST & Kicker Debate – 36:53, 74:37
• Funny Game Show Rant – 13:22
• Deep Dive: Bengals at Bills, Burrow Volume Stat – 55:05
• Jets Discussion ("Do you love Breece Hall?") – 68:09, 72:00
• Stranger Things vs. Game of Thrones – 78:52

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Actionable Start/Sit Takes (By Game/Position)

Indianapolis at Jacksonville

• Must starts: Jonathan Taylor, Michael Pittman (borderline), Tyler Warren, Travis Etienne
• QB rankings: Daniel Jones and Trevor Lawrence are fringe QB1s—risky, but QB position is thin. (29:25–31:50)
• Wideouts: Pittman > Myers > Pierce; weak trust in Brian Thomas.

Pittsburgh at Baltimore

• Start: Derrick Henry, Zay Flowers (borderline), Jalen Warren
• Sit/concern: Lamar Jackson (low-end starter), Steelers WRs/TEs (besides Warren)
• Debate: Zay Flowers a WR3, behind Myers & Pittman.

Houston at Kansas City

• Start: Mahomes (even with risk), Nico Collins, Dalton Schultz, Rashee Rice, Travis Kelce
• Sit/concern: Woody Marks, Kareem Hunt (low-end RB2, TD-dependent)
• Mahomes projection under 22 pts accepted by all

Cincinnati at Buffalo

• Start: Allen “#1 QB this week,” Burrow a strong start due to likely high volume.
• T. Higgins: Must start if active.
• WRs: Khalil Shakir gets mild endorsement as a deep flex, especially if the game stays close.

Denver at Las Vegas

• Start: Jeanty (PPR), Harvey (non-PPR), Sutton (flex/WR2)
• Sit: Troy Franklin (snaps declining), Broncos/RAIDERS DST

Miami at NY Jets

• Start: Jaylen Waddle, Achan, Breece Hall
• Flex: Adonai Mitchell (WR3, targets trending up)

Tennessee at Cleveland

• Start: Quinshon Judkins (volume RB2), Harold Fannin (TE1)
• Sit: Browns/ Titans WRs/QBs

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Notable Quotes

• "Brissette was basically a must add...four out of the last six quarterbacks on the road against the Rams have been 19.5 fantasy points or more." – Jamie (05:00)
• "If I was setting my lineup and I had to win, I was a 15 point underdog, I think you have to play Lamar Jackson. It's hard to sit that type of upside in a must-win game." – Heath (39:18)
• "Montgomery is a touchdown-dependent flex." – Jamie (10:11)
• "He's just got too much upside to leave on the bench – that's Lamar Jackson in a nutshell." – Heath (39:18)
• "He's sixth in targets since he joined the Jets...borderline elite at getting open, borderline unplayable when the ball's thrown his way." – Heath on AD Mitchell (72:30)

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Final Thoughts

The hosts emphasize that Week 14 is unusually dark for quarterbacks and receivers. Their advice: Don’t be afraid to start volume-dependent RBs and overlooked TEs. Traditional “must-start” QBs (Lamar, Mahomes) have lost their shine, but the lack of alternatives means they’re still ranked as top-10 options.

Their best advice: Trust your process, chase volume and opportunity, and don’t overthink your studs unless you have clear, better options. And—keep your eyes on injury reports right up to Sunday kick-off.

“Good luck, enjoy the games, and don’t forget to vote for us at The64.com!” (67:49, 80:09)

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For more context, tune in to the full episode to hear the group’s debates, statistical nuggets, and crowd-sourced wisdom from the chat. Good luck with your Week 14 matchups!

Transcript

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This is fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports.

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Can you believe this?

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No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league.

This is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

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Are we gonna start Lamar Jackson in Week 314 against Pittsburgh? Are we going to start Patrick Mahomes against Houston? Two of the very best in the business and they've got some issues going on right now. We're going to talk about those two games, plus Colts, Jaguars, huge game in the AFC South, Cincinnati at Buffalo. Denver at Las Vegas, Miami at the Jets. Huge game. In the AFC East, Tennessee is at Cleveland. Those are our games for today. If you want to hear Chargers, Eagles, that will be tomorrow with the NFC home games. We welcome you to Fantasy Football Today, presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary, Adam here on this Thursday morning with Heath Cummings and Jamie Eisenberg. Good morning, Heath.

[A]

Good morning, Adam Azer. It's a fantastic week 14. I want to congratulate the NFL schedule makers. Last week it felt like we had four games that were just enormous for the playoff race. And this week it's like eight. It's, it's, it's awesome. We're going to find out who's in or who has a chance to be in and who's probably dead. It's gonna be fun.

[B]

Good morning, Jamie.

[C]

Good morning. How are you, sir?

[B]

I'm pretty good. I'm excited for tonight. You know, it's a little Thursday night shootout. We're, we're looking forward to and, and.

[A]

It'S, it's really like, congratulations to you guys. We're all still alive in the Scott Fishbowl.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So that's awesome. And then like it's the first week of the FFT Open playoffs. I assume we're all fighting for that or have a buy one of the two and it's the final week of the regular season. I know we all have multiple teams where it's win or in. I think we have one league where all three of us are fighting for like three playoff spots and there's six people involved. It's. It's really an exciting week.

[B]

It is. And nerve wracking as you feel like you look at your lineup and I have a few win and I'm in situations and lose and I'm probably out situations. So it's. Man, you got to make the right decision. So obviously a lot of it is, is just gonna be up to the fantasy gods, but we're gonna do our best to help you make those decisions. And obviously, Heath, I did not make the playoffs in the FFT open. Thanks for that players.

But you guys did good job.

[A]

I had no idea who made it. Unlike you, I can't see every FFT open league.

[B]

Oh, what a privilege it is for me to have to go back and, and reverse a couple of transactions yesterday because eliminated teams made them all right.

[C]

Did you really? Yeah.

[B]

Players that we love. Jamie's got Jacoby Brissette and Michael Wilson in a tough game against the Rams and Brenton Strange against the Colts, Brissette and Wilson and Brenton Strange.

[C]

So you look at the Rams, I, I know we were kind of alluding to this on a few waiver wire shows leading up to, you know, where Brissette was. Basically a must add that, okay, here come the Rams and the Texans in back to back weeks, we look at the Rams and their production or, or I guess the production of quarterbacks against the Rams when they've been on the road. Four of the last four of the six quarterbacks on the road against the Rams, where the Rams on the road, excuse me, have been 19 and a half fantasy points or more. The only two quarterbacks that did not do that were Cam Ward and the Ravens backups when they faced them in Baltimore. The last two on the road, Mac Jones and Bryce Young lit them up. And so I think there's an opportunity here for Brissette based on volume because he's been over 40 pass attempts. Almost every start that he's made is still going to get you quality production. He's been 20 fantasy points or more in every start that he's made for Kyle, Kyler Murray. There's been seven of them. Now in the case of Michael Wilson, we're not expecting Marvin Harrison Jr. At this point. We know what that was. In the two games that Harrison was out with the appendix injury, 33 targets, a billion catches. It was just fun to watch Michael Wilson perform. And as of Thursday morning, we're not expecting again, Harrison to play. So it's also good for Greg Dortch. And the third player I gave you.

[B]

Was Brenton Strange against the Colts.

[C]

Yeah, 10 or more PPR, 10 PBR points or more in all four of his healthy starts. Great matchup against the Colts. They're terrible against tight ends. Top five in terms of most fantasy points about the position. So I'm hoping that we get a potential shootout here where we get more volume for Trevor Lawrence and then more volume for his pass catchers because only three catches for Strange last week, but he did score the touchdown. But we also know Parker Washington not expected to play as well. So like the setup for all three of these guys.

[B]

Okay. And just right now, I guess we're not expecting Marvin Harrison Jr. But there was some optimism I thought yesterday about him. He did not practice. But if he does play, where would Michael Wilson be in your rankings?

[C]

You got to go look at what happened last week and you know, go back to him as a low end, number three receiver at best.

[B]

Yeah, it's incredible. Just such a huge Difference in value. Okay, Heath, you've got Jordan Love against the Bears on your love list. Quinton Judkins against Tennessee and Jameson Williams tonight. Oh man. Jameson. Yeah, fired up. But Jordan Love and Quinte on Judkins.

[A]

Yeah, I mean Judkins in the ultimate great situation. Yes, the Titans run defense has been a lot better but his defense, Judkins is one of the best in the NFL. The Titans offense is the worst in the NFL and the Browns have shown us when they are ahead or even competitive. All they want to do is run, run, run the football. I think they'll have the opportunity to do that. They're three and a half point favorites. The Cleveland Browns are three and a half point favorites. Quinshon Judkins might have 25 rush attempts in this game. As you can see, he's a top 18 running back for all of us. It might be kind of a plotter type of game where he doesn't have a great rushing average but they stick with it long enough and he's talented enough that if he gets a high volume he's going to break one or two and have a good day. Start Quinton Sean Judkins. I think Jordan Love is a combination of a couple of things. One, there's a lot of really good quarterbacks that make us really uncomfortable this week. You started it with the top of the show. Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes are probably the two most obvious. Caleb Williams, who I'll talk about in a minute. Justin Herbert, who has a broken hand that Love has been 19 fantasy points per game this season. I think he's been playing really well. It's just whether the past volumes there. We saw last week a very good game in a one score game in the division that they had to go, you know, throw a little bit more to win. I think that Bears linebackers are getting a little bit healthier this week so their run defense will be better than it has been. That's been really dependent. It's TJ Edwards, right?

[B]

Yes, he's.

[A]

He's was limited, very dependent on TJ Edwards. I think there's some optimism there. I'd be a little less excited about Love if Edwards is out but if Edwards is in when he's played, they've actually been above average in terms of stopping the run. So I think this, I think that we get enough points in this game where Love throws enough and is better than my home is better than Lamar Jackson.

[B]

Yeah, the Edwards injury for the Bears.

[C]

Right.

[B]

He's been sort of the key to their Run defense at least. Whether it's coincidence or not. However, they do have other linebacker injuries now, so it may not be enough to just get him back. If you want to cross your fingers for those Bears running backs or sorry the pack for, for Jacobs. Not that it's going to make a huge difference, but okay. Players to avoid Caleb Williams in that same game at Green Bay. By the way, I'm looking [e-mail] it looks like it might be like in the single digits in that game.

[A]

Oh see I, I looked at Kevin Roth's Twitter this morning and he's not. We're still, we're still waiting for his, his weather report for this week. Yeah, Adam Mazer is the second best. I mean we don't have weatherman Dave, we don't have Kevin Roth. So we'll take, we'll take Adam Mazer giving us the weather. That, that is a little bit like generally speaking, cold weather brings down over unders. I don't think cold weather is necessarily worse for passing so that might cause. Maybe I should move him down to nine or ten where Dave and Jamie have him but still going to be a top 12 quarterback for me.

[B]

All right, that's love. I was, I was talking about it in the context of Caleb Williams too because you have him as an avoid Caleb Williams at Green Bay, Woody Marks at Kansas City and David Montgomery tonight.

[A]

Yeah, I just. Caleb, you, you mentioned it on yesterday's show that the most off target throws, I believe it was in the NFL are the highest percent of off target throws. The packers defense is obviously very good and the Bears have completely committed to the run and been good at it. So I just, I would really like to get away from Caleb Williams if I can. He's a more of a QB2 than a QB1. Woody Marks, the volume is awesome, the efficiency is disgusting. Now he's facing the Chiefs at arrowhead running backs kind of the one position where it's not terrible. So don't want to start him if I don't have to. And Montgomery's really seen his participation in the offense at least in terms of getting touches that score. Fantasy points fall off since Dan Campbell took over the play calling. This is a, a big game for them. I think Jameer Gibbs probably again sees a larger share of the work. Montgomery is a touchdown dependent flex.

[C]

You know that the, the Cowboys since they got Quinn and Williams and Logan Wilson number one infused fantasy points allowed to opposing running backs.

[B]

Wow.

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That's awesome.

[B]

Amazing. That'll be put to the test tonight for sure. Jamie, you're going to try to avoid Justin Herbert, who's planning on playing Monday at Philadelphia, against Philadelphia at home, Kareem Hunt Sunday night against the Texans, and Romo Dunes at Green Bay.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, look, Herbert, forget about just the injury on top of the fact that at this point, you have to certainly be prepared for him not playing. So make sure you have a backup plan if he is your starting quarterback. But we know he just hasn't been good lately. You know, 16.8 fantasy points or less in his last three starts. The offensive line's a mess. The Eagles are coming off a loss. Their past defense has still been good. I know they got run all over last week by the Bears, but they still were able to, you know, do a great.

[B]

All right, so Jamie. I got cut off there, but Jamie is going to try to avoid Justin Herbert and. Hello, Heath.

[A]

Okay, so it wasn't just me.

[B]

Oh, Jamie got kicked out, too.

[A]

I have no idea what happened. Jamie was talking. I'm sure he was making some really brilliant points. And all of a sudden, everything on my screen went haywire. I was kicked out. I was brought back in.

[B]

Oh, wow. We all got.

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I'm back. You're back. Schaefer's back.

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Yeah.

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Wasn't me, though.

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All right, good. Well, yeah, look Shaggy over there, so. All right, Justin Herbert, Kareem Hunt, and Roma Dunz were the guys who Jamie was saying to avoid. All right, we'll move on. We'll get to oh, Dunes A tomorrow. We'll get to Kareem Hunt today because Heath is a little bit higher on Kareem Hunt against you. So not super high or anything, but we can talk about that. I do have a big time correction from yesterday's show. I made a huge mistake. So I apologize for this. Went back and listened to it. And Heath, I said this was the nickname that the bad guys gave themselves in Home Alone. And you.

[A]

I said Wet Bandits.

[B]

You said Wet Bandits. What I should have said was you did not answer in the form of a question yesterday. Oh, so we're not only going to remove. I didn't think it was fair to just remove the 400 points from that or dollars or whatever. I think I have to invalidate the results entirely because we should have filed a protest at that point. It just. It really screwed up the whole game after that. So I'm sorry, when you say we.

[A]

Should have filed a protest, are you acknowledging that these games are me against everyone else and we is the other side, which you're on as the host because that's exactly how this works. You are the wor game show host in the universe, not just the fantasy football universe, the worst game show host. And you're biased on top of that. You are like a WWE referee who is both bad at your job and sees nothing and also regularly makes mistakes and is not an unbiased observer.

[B]

Oh, man. From the top rope.

[C]

He.

[B]

Look, what am I supposed to do?

[C]

You didn't.

[B]

You didn't ask in the form of a question. It screwed up the whole game after that. Nobody could concentrate after that. I'm sorry.

[A]

Adam's fault for not catching it in real time. Heath wins. No, that is an accurate. That's exactly what happens. You know what happens in the. In wrestling when the ref doesn't see that somebody snuck into the ring and hit somebody else with a steel chair. He turns around, he gets down on the mat, he slaps it three times and the match is over. There's no instant replay in game shows or wrestling.

[B]

I. I mean, I. I understand. I just didn't think it was. I just didn't think it was fair to Jamie, that's all.

[A]

Jamie's not fair is me playing 17,00 in a row where the host is against me.

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I, I would just say I think it's good that he practiced in full. And I'm, he's just inside of my top 12 right now, but he has a fracture in one of the bones in his leg. It's probably not better.

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No, it's, yeah, I, I, I think it's really dangerous. He's dangerous. Scares me. Cleveland is opening to Sean Watson's practice window. How about that? All right, running back news. I gave you this one yesterday, but if you picked up Devin Singletary, we are expecting Tyrone Tracy to play next week after the buy. He has a hip contusion and a stinger. Aaron Jones was limited. All right, so he was got in a limited session yesterday with that shoulder injury. Alvin Camara missed practice. Kyron Williams limited, but he's going to play. Amari and Hampton expected to play Carolina head coach Dave Canalis said that Rico Dowdle would remain the primary early downs back. They've got a buy. Kyle Menangai was listed as a dnp. He should be able to play. Woody Marks missed practice, but he will play the Steelers. Mike Tomlin wants the Steelers to be more physical offensively, so look for them to try to establish the run at Baltimore. And Trey Benson missed practice. It's just, he just. And Amari Di Mercado is limited, so clouds things up a little bit. More wide receiver news.

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There's one you didn't say which impacts the guy that Heath loves. Dylan Sampson left last week with a calf injury, and we saw three catches for Quinton Judkins. So that's another reason to love him, is that if he's involved in the passing game, which is something that's been sort of escaped escaping him a little bit the last few weeks, like, that's huge.

[B]

All right. Wide receiver Marvin Harrison Jr. Missed practice, but he's doing well according to head coach Jonathan Gannon, so we'll keep an eye on that. Greg Dortch also missed practice. T. Higgins was limited, so we love to have him back for this game at Buffalo. T. Higgins, I'm on Ross. St. Brown questionable for tonight. Khalif Raymond is out. If St. Brown plays tonight, are you going to have any hesitations starting him?

[C]

I mean, I'm certainly gonna start him over Isaac Tesla, but, you know, it depends on who you have. I don't think a lot of people have the luxury of benching somebody Like Amanra St. Brown if he's healthy, I.

[A]

Think he's the exactly the type of guy that you start and just get like a handful of Tums ready because this could 100 be a decoy game where he's just out there to help the team but not at full strength.

[B]

If someone asked me Saint Brown or A.J. brown, what would you say?

[A]

I'd probably play A.J. yeah.

[B]

Okay, well then person ignore my email. Mike Evans and Jaylen McMillan practiced. Drake London missed practice. Devonte Adams missed practice, but he'll play. Matthew golden and Jaden Reed. They were both limited. Parker Washington missed practice. Chris Olave missed practice with a back injury which I guess flared up after that game against Miami. So we'll have to keep an eye on Olave. Oh, Dunes a missed practice. He should play. Josh Downs missed practice. Mark Andrews signed a three year deal. I'm sure we'll talk about that on FFT Dynasty or Heath will three year 39.3 million dollar deal with 26 million guaranteed. If you're sitting there, you know Isaiah likely going on next year is gonna be my year. Doesn't look like it.

[A]

Likely is also a free agent, right?

[B]

Oh, is he? All right, well then next year might be your year.

[A]

I, I, I, I think they were trying to get a deal done. I'll verify that. But I think they were trying to get a deal done with likely in the in the off season going into this year and couldn't get a deal done. And so they just decided to maybe they'll keep them both, but I think this makes it more likely that we have a free agent tight end. That could be exciting.

[B]

I like that. Good pun. Dalton Kincaid was limited. Keep an eye on the Lions tonight because they have three, three offensive linemen who are questionable. And Dallas left tackle Tyler Guyton is out. Buffalo left tackle Dion Dawkins is in the concussion protocol, but he was limited. And in the last two weeks, Josh Allen's A dot has been 4.7 yards and 1.7 yards. So you know he'd be great to get his left tackle back. Christian Darasov for the Vikings looks like he's trending in the right direction. And the Chiefs, if it didn't look already bad with that matchup, they could be without three offensive linemen in this game. Against Houston they're definitely gonna be without Josh Simmons, their left tackle and Tristan Wurf's left tackle for the Bucks. He missed practice. The big injuries, I would say the, the Steelers run defense could be in trouble. They're Going to be without their defensive tackle Derek Harmon and linebacker Patrick Queen miss practice. So did T.J. watt. So you're gonna start Derek Henry. Anyway. Many, many key defensive players for the Cardinals missed practice. Happens a lot on Wednesday. So we'll look at that for Thursday. You mentioned TJ Edwards earlier and I'll just leave it at that. All right, one question for each game. Jamie. Indianapolis is at Jacksonville. Big game. Rank the top three wide receivers in this game. Indianapolis at Jacksonville.

[C]

Michael Pittman, Jacoby Myers, Alec Pierce Heath.

[B]

You agree with that.

Heath, you are muted.

[A]

Yeah, I've been doing a lot of. A lot of things. Jacoby Myers, Michael Pittman, Alec Pierce.

[B]

Okay, so you're going to swap Pittman and Myers. Pittsburgh's at Baltimore starter sit Lamar Jackson three straight games with 7.2 or fewer fantasy points. One touchdown pass in his last four games. Jamie starters at Lamar Jackson still start a lot.

[C]

A lot of it is FOMO with him but doesn't have a great history against Mike Tomlin. And we're probably going to see a lot of running for Derek Henry.

[B]

Heath next game is Houston at Kansas City starter said Patrick Mahomes.

[A]

He is also still a start.

I like him better than Lamar Jackson. You have reason to be nervous, but I think you just. I think you stick with him. I think I agree with Jamie. I think you stick stick with Lamar also.

[B]

I. This is a terrible quarterback week, isn't it?

[C]

Yes, it's pretty rough.

[B]

I couldn't believe it because I was like really surprised that they have Mahomes this high and only one quarterback has had more than scored more than 23 fantasy 23.9 fantasy points against Houston.

[C]

Oh, no, no.

[B]

That's the most. That's Baker Mayfield. That's the most. He's the only quarterback that scored more than 20.5 fantasy points in six point for passing touchdown leagues. But then I was looking at the rankings who I think maybe Jalen hurts.

Where I'm gonna go. He should be ahead of my homes.

Sorry.

[A]

Yeah, no, that's.

[B]

That's.

[A]

I've. I've only got seven quarterbacks projected to score 21 and only 11 projected to score 20. So.

[C]

Wow. Yeah.

[B]

All right. Cincinnati's at Buffalo. I'm guessing two of those guys are in this game that you'd start over Mahomes. But Khalil Shakir bounce back.

Yes. Yes.

Feeling it.

[A]

No. No idea.

[C]

That there's. There's a lot of trust here with two of his last three games have been so bad.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I could easily see this Being a game where Buffalo runs the ball 35 times.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

I'm gonna try 40 to do this better than I did it on beyond the Box Score. Give you a visual of why I like Khalil Shakir, but I'll come back to that. Miami's at the Jets. Jamie, give me some players. You. Oh, nope, sorry, I skipped Denver at Las Vegas. Jamie, who's better, ashton Genti or R.J. harvey?

[C]

I go back and forth with these two. I. I think you trust that Genti's role in the passing game will be something of a savior for him because his running is not great right now. Eileen, slightly toward Harvey though, just because I think there's going to be an opportunity for him to score and still get three catches.

[A]

Isn't it funny that. And I don't know if everybody has it this way, but my answer is actually Genti and full ppr, Harvey and everything else. We thought Harvey was going to be the pass catching back and now Genti gets eight targets every week.

[B]

Insane how many targets he's been getting. Heath, now to you on Miami at the Jets. Give me some players. You would start AD and I Mitchell over?

[A]

Oh yeah, I think that's a good. I'm a good person to ask that because I believe I might be the high guy on ADNAI Mitchell. But still it's not a lot of great names. Brian Thomas, DJ Moore, Chris Godwin, Jaden Higgins, Cooper Cup, Josh Downs.

[B]

Okay, how about like AD and I Mitchell over some running backs that don't.

[A]

Look guy on ADNAI Mitchell.

[B]

Yeah, you're the low guy, but just barely.

[A]

I'm gonna move him up.

[B]

He's ranked between 29th and 37th for Dave. 29th, Jamie, 36 and he 37th on Adonai Mitchell. But how would you compare Mitchell to running backs like Kyle Menangai who never catches anything basically and Woody Marks. You know, players like that in a full PPR league, I'd really start Mitchell.

[C]

All right.

[B]

And finally we've got Tennessee at Cleveland. I was going to say are we pumped for Quinn, Sean Judkins, but we are. So Jamie, are we pumped for Harold.

[C]

Fannin, low end starter? You know it again, he's been a, a good floor option because he's been 8.4 PPR points or more in four of his last five games. So he's not hurting you at that position. But some of the upside has been missing from him and except for last week when he found the end zone. So two touchdowns in his last five games. You hope that that happens. Again, the Titans the last two games. Two. Last three games. Have struggled with tight ends. So low end starter. But it's. It's so funny. Like, this is the position that feels like it has as much depth as any. Yeah, it's. It's. It's really interesting.

[A]

He's pretty much. He's pretty much led the Browns in target share all. All year long, but it's been around 19 or 20% most of the year. I don't know. It's just two games. But in the two games Shador Sanders has started, Fannin has a 27% target share. Nobody else is over 17.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So you're going to need 27% because they might throw 20 passes.

[B]

All right, let me show you Khalil Shakir here. Oh, route participation rate sorted. And just look at the scores. Right. So look at the bottom, the bad part. Route Participation rates are 26, 7, win. 30 to 10, win. 40 to 9, win. 44, 32, win. 31, 19 win. Okay, we're getting okay here. So that's what I noticed with his snap share. When they blow opponents out, he barely plays. He plays like 50 of the snaps when they blow out opponents, which has happened quite a bit. Competitive game better for Khalil Shakir.

[A]

I. Yeah, I hope it's a competitive game. I think that there is a significant blowout risk.

[B]

Really? Okay. Just.

[A]

Just because the Bills, like what the Bills are good at defensively is stopping the pass.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it's true. But it's not like the Bengals can't run the ball.

[A]

They have run the ball better in the second half. Yeah.

[B]

Six. Six of the. Five of the last six games. I think we're talking really good rush average for Chase Brown. All right, Colts are at the Jaguars. That of the game. I think Jamie mentioned this on Sunday. The Colts have not won in Jacksonville since 2014. I'm so excited for this game. Colts are a one and a half point favorite. Good. Nice total there of 47 points. Trevor Lawrence is barely throwing the ball lately. 27 or fewer pass attempts in three of his last four games. So we're hoping that the Colts can make them throw a little bit more. Also, Daniel Jones, two throws outside the pocket, zero design runs against Houston. Jamie, why don't you just give me the lay of the land? Who are the must starts in a sort of tricky game here? Jacksonville hosting the Colts.

[C]

Colts. I think for the Colts, Jonathan Taylor's. Jonathan Taylor and Tyler Warren are the only must starts. I. I would say Michael Pittman and Alec Pierce. I have them as number two receivers. But your definition of must start is obviously not going to apply to those two guys. So I think just in the case of what they've done and what the matchup is like, you should be willing to trust them. Certainly if you're starting three receivers, you know, two receivers in a flexor and a three receiver league. Pittman has been 13.7 PPR points or more in five of his last seven. Pierce has been 17 or more points in three of his last four. The Jaguar secondary is still their weakness. So this should be an opportunity for Daniel Jones to connect with those guys. Especially if Josh Downs misses. But he typically does not miss even though he misses practice. And again Tyler Warren a mustard guy. I think for Jacksonville.

Daniel Jones and Trevor Lawrence are both worth looking at as low end starters. You mentioned quarterback is, is not great this week. They both have favorable matchups. You know you look at Lawrence and the Colts and they haven't been great. But now down sauce Gardner and the way that Lawrence has thrown the ball lately, if there is an uptick in volume, you hope for just a better game overall for him, which he's been over 23 fantasy points each of his last two outings. I think in the case of the receiving corps, I don't, I don't think there's a wrong answer with you know, where Heath and I were coming from with who's the best receiver in this game. It could be Jacoby Myers. We just haven't seen him get more than six targets in the three games that he's played with with Jacksonville. But now you're down Parker Washington. I can't trust Brian Thomas. I don't think there's any way to look at and say he can be a safe start. It's just been a miserable season for him. So even if Parker Washington doesn't play like at best you're talking about a low end starter in a three receiver league. Strange is a borderline must start guy. Travis ETN I think is worth, you know, considering a must start player. Even though we've seen the, the usage be a little frustrating with Facial too. And there's just a lot to like in this game from where these two defenses are and what the potential outcome could be. I hope it's a high scoring affair.

[B]

He thought. I kind of feel like obviously Jonathan Taylor is, you know, he's Jonathan Taylor.

[C]

Right.

[B]

I feel like almost every player has, has bust potential in this game because I could see Daniel Jones just having a really bad game. I don't know how you feel about that. You guys have him around 12th and I think that speaks to the quarterback position but his lack of mobility.

[C]

I.

[B]

It really concerned me watching it back and I don't know, I could just see like Michael Pittman has three straight games with less than 30 yards. So I'm nervous.

[A]

So I was just filling out my answers for our CBS SN show which will be on at 1pm today. I know you're not on so it doesn't matter but Jamie and I are and toughest quarterback to rank. I put Lamar Jackson, but I really consider Daniel Jones because I do think if he was 100 healthy we might view him as a top seven or eight quarterback in this game. And there is bust risk for Jones. I don't really see bust risk for Tyler Warren. I think any of the wide receivers could be bad. We've seen that with the Colts all year. It's just guess which one. And Jacoby Myers could certainly be bad. Brian Thomas, we expect to be bad. I don't know. I think Travis Etienne will probably be okay. He might have to share too much and just be a borderline RB2 but I don't think he's going to bust.

[B]

And you know, you just look at the Colts run defense the last three weeks without DeForest Buckner. It's kind of unclear because the Falcons running backs averaged five yards per carry. All right, you're facing Bijan Robinson. The Texans running backs Average 3 1/2 yards per carry. The Chiefs running backs average 3.3 yards per carry. So I mean logic tells you that their run defense shouldn't be as good without DeForest Buckner. But I don't know that the results have really reflected that. But I think it's basically just been when they've it's kind of been matchups there. So ETN's coming off a game where he had only 12 carries and Basil Tutin had eight. But they must not have run a lot of plays last week because Trevor Lawrence didn't throw the ball that much. He only 27 pass attempts. So anywho, I think the one thing.

[C]

Just for Daniel Jones. Yeah, the fact that he came through the last two games with positive numbers should be encouraging at Kansas City and against Houston. Like those are two of the most difficult matchups you could find. And Jacksonville, it's, you know, you mentioned the lack of mobility, like what they did to Herbert in their last home game is is something that, you know, you could say, okay, they may be able to get after Daniel Jones and clearly the offensive line differences matter here because the Colts offensive line much better than the Chargers. So if they can protect Jones, then I think it'll be okay. I'm just surprised that they're favored on the road here.

[B]

Same. And I think you look at Jacksonville, I'll start getting it. I think the chat questions will help us clarify how we feel about these guys. But look at Jacksonville's defense and maybe it's getting better. The last three quarterbacks, Justin Herbert scored 3.3 points, right? Just a terrible game. But then you. Jacoby Brissette. Jacoby Brissette had his worst game, 20.7 fantasy points. I assume he threw a million passes in that game. And then you had Cam Ward last week, who was kind of playing better recently. And Cam Ward scored six points against the Jaguars and Brissette had 49 pass attempts and he scored 20.7 fantasy points, which is pretty bad against Jacksonville. I'm glad I don't have Daniel Jones this week. You know, hasn't worked out for most of the year, but I think it's just kind of nerve wracking. But. All right, let's see what we got here. Khalil Shakir or Alec Pierce in ppr.

[C]

Pierce.

[B]

I've got Shakir Kincaid or Strange.

[C]

I would go Strange, but that would be close. I just think you're looking at how healthy is like if he. If he was practicing full this week, I think it would be a no brainer almost based on the matchup. But yeah, the fact that he's still limited again, I'll give a slight nod to. To Brett Strange.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Lawrence or Caleb Williams?

[C]

Lawrence. Lawrence for me.

[B]

Start two. Tyler Warren, Brenton Strange, Devon Vale and Devin Neal. Half ppr.

[C]

I mean it's start one along with Warren. Are you sure it's Tyler?

[A]

He would be the. He would be my. It'd be either. Warren would be my favorite.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So then pick one. Brenton Strange, Devon Vale or Devin Neal in half ppr.

[C]

Strange would be the easy one. Unless Olave is out. Then I would take a chance on Bailey.

[B]

Someone saying Concater Ferguson. I think he might have to play it safe there.

[C]

But with Ferguson full today, then I would risk it.

[B]

Okay. Would you start Brian Thomas Jr. Over Debo Samuel or Troy Franklin?

[C]

I would not.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

Would you play Jacoby Myers over RJ Harvey or Javante Williams?

[C]

Nope, I would not.

[B]

Myers or a Mecca Abuka?

[C]

Still a Booker.

[A]

A Booker.

[B]

Alec Pierce or Isaac Tesla?

[C]

Alec Pierce.

[B]

Pierce Pittman or Adonai Mitchell?

[C]

Pittman.

[A]

Pittman.

[B]

How About Pierce or Adonai Mitchell?

[C]

Pierce.

[A]

Yeah, I think I have them back to back.

[B]

How about Pierce or Kareem Hunt?

[C]

Pierce.

[A]

I have Hunt.

[B]

How about Alec Pierce or.

Devin Neal? Let's say half ppr.

[A]

Pierce.

[B]

Pierce. Okay. All right. Dsts in this game are. Okay. Let's see the rankings.

What are the rankings? Sorry. Oh, I got it.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Sit. The Colts starter said the Jaguars dst. Anybody interested there? They've been pretty good lately.

[C]

Yeah, I would sit them.

[A]

I would sit the DSTs.

[B]

Sit the DSTs. All right, next game is Pittsburgh at Baltimore and the Steelers stat of the game. They gave up 27.7 points to Caleb Williams two weeks ago, but in four of their last five games, they've been really good against quarterbacks. 19 or fewer points for Daniel Jones, Justin Herbert, Joe Flacco, Josh Allen. There were some circumstances there yet. Herbert's offensive line, you had Flacco in the wind, but Steelers defense has gotten better. However, they are kind of banged up mostly in the front seven.

So. Yeah, Lamar Jackson. Jamie, where did he end up in your rankings?

[C]

He's 11th. You know, it's, it's. It's tough to say he's, you know, safe at this point. And I, I think the, the concern would be is that they run all over the Steelers like the Bills did. Not to the same extent, because I don't know if they can do that. But that was historic. But obviously that's the weakness of the Steelers defense right now. You want to take some pressure off Lamar Jackson. I do love the fact that he practiced in full Wednesday because that's been a trend that's, you know, been. Been a little nerve wracking. But I think in the case of. Of Lamar, Mike Tomlin typically does a good job against him. He's not playing great right now. I think we would feel a lot different if he had those touchdowns from last week and, you know, had the fumble at the goal line for Isaiah. Likely. Maybe this was part of the reason they signed Mark Andrews. But the fumble of the goal line from Friday, likely the offensive pass interference call, that was, you know, BS or not. Not.

[B]

Question.

[C]

Not. Great call. Questionable call. Yes. On. On zay Flowers, the 50 yard pass that was dropped by Walker. Like there was some circumstances that made Lamar Jackson look that much worse. So I think if you have other options, I'll give you one example. I have Lamar Jackson in one league. Baker Mayfield was available. It's our IDP league. I picked up Baker Mayfield. I'm a starter. I just like to set up better from especially if the other receivers play. So I'm not as far.

You know, I, I'm not as bullish on it as Dave is and you know we're going to talk about this on one o' clock today that Dave has him as a sit outright but if you have, you know, some, some better players, some better quarterback options for me it would be Jacoby Brissette's probably the only one of the, the waiver wire ish guys I think you can try and get away from if you can.

[A]

I think if I was setting and Adam, I know you always say you don't do this and I don't generally but a lot of people do. If I was setting rankings thinking I 15 point favorite and I just need 18 or 19 points for my quarterback, Lamar Jackson might be 18th or 19th in my rankings. If I was setting my lineup and I had to win, I was a 15 point underdog. I think you have to play Lamar Jackson because him and Zay Flowers both have had stretches in their career where they have terrible performances followed by incredible performances and I just, it's hard to sit that type of upside in a must win game.

[B]

Remember Jackson, there were two other plays that we haven't talked about in terms of him losing fantasy points. Walker actually had two drops on deep balls. I didn't remember the first one, but going back and watching the tape I saw that one as well. And then there was an interception in the red zone that was tipped when they could have, you know, that could have been points for them. So there were actually a lot of, of points that, that, that didn't happen for him. Now that was against Cincinnati and Steelers are better than that. But I, you know, Jackson didn't do, he had some really bad throws last week for sure, but he also did a lot of good things that he didn't get rewarded for. All right, so that's Lamar Jackson. We'll get to some questions there. Start Derrick Henry, Zay Flowers or Pittman and Myers and Pierce, like where's Jamie? Where's Zay Flowers in that group?

[C]

He's behind them for me, but not by much. I think, you know, it's, he's, he's, he's not been great. He hasn't scored touchdowns since week one. You know, you talked about this this week that, you know, usually he gets seven targets. He's typically good. He was under a fantasy point last week, you know, so it was, it was miserable. But this Steelers secondary, I know they played better of late, but like you said, a lot of that is circumstantial. I think there's still opportunities for him to, you know, have a good enough performance that he could be in that 12 to 14 point range. So I would prefer to only start him in three receiver leagues. But I can understand if you are in need of a wide receiver this week that he can be still a starter into a series.

[A]

Yeah, I'd go Myers, Pittman, Flowers. Pierce.

[B]

Pittman Flowers. Yeah. Jamie, you'd start Flowers over Pier. Oh, you'd start Pierce over Flowers too or I would.

[C]

Yes. Oh, wow. Okay.

[B]

And Mark Andrews, 13th for Jamie, 17th for Heath, 10th for Dave. He has two games all year with more than 34 yards, so he's got got to catch a touchdown. Steelers do allow the sixth most fantasy points to tight ends, although I would argue they've gotten better. They pretty much gotten better across the board defensively.

[A]

Same thing. Same thing I said last week. If I could just start Ravens tight end, I'd be pretty excited about it. But I don't think we have a good idea on a week to week basis whether likely or Andrews will be better.

[B]

Okay. And let's go to the Steelers side of the ball. So I'll get to Warren in a moment here, but you're going to sit Rogers, you're going to sit the tight ends. Although, come on. Washington beat the waiver wire on Washington just in case they get him more involved. DK Metcalf. Heath starter. Sit DK Metcalf.

[A]

This is one of those guys that I talked about earlier in the week that I think on the Sunday night show. My believe it or not was we have to start ranking him outside of the top 30. And then I got to my rankings on Monday and I was like, how do I find 30 wide receivers to start over DK Metcalf? He's right in the Zay Flowers range for me. So better as a number three wide receiver for sure. I would start both Myers and Pittman over him. Still has the potential to give you a good week.

[B]

Jamie, how are we? Are we pumped for Jay? Pumped up for Jalen Warren? Nervous for Jalen Warren. How you feeling?

[C]

Yes, I, I think he's just that type of player. You know, he scored a touchdown each of last week. He's the only Steeler I would start. You know, I'm, I'm done with DK Metcalf at this point. Five straight games under 50 yards receiving. Five straight games without a receiving touchdown. I know two, you know, a little, you know, BS in that, but it's still. You know, the receiving yards is still the issue for me, and Aaron Rodgers is. Is clearly not healthy. So I like the fact that they're going to be committed to the run game. I think it makes sense. You know, they tend to get away from it too much. I thought they did last week against Buffalo, too, even in the first half where it seemed to be working. So, you know, it. There's. There's clearly the. The risk of they get behind and they go to too much Kenneth Gainwell. So I think Gamewell could still be a flex, but I'm gonna start Jalen Warren as number two running back.

[B]

All right, questions from the chat. Lamar Jackson or Jordan? Love.

[C]

Love.

[B]

McConkey or flowers?

[C]

McConkey. Yep.

[B]

Lamar or Mariota?

[C]

Lamar. Yep.

[B]

Yeah, we might get Jane Daniels this week anyway. Isaiah Likely or Gunner?

[C]

Daniels over Lamar for me, though.

[B]

Okay. Isaiah Likely or Gunner Helm?

[C]

Likely, but it's not far off.

[A]

Likely.

[B]

Loop or McPherson?

[C]

McPherson. Sure.

[B]

Flowers or Justin Jefferson?

[C]

Jefferson still Jefferson.

[B]

Metcalf Pierce or Isaac Tesla?

[A]

Pierce would be Metcalf for me. I think that was our first disagreement on this game.

[B]

Oh, look at that disgusting pumpkin pie in the Avatar there.

[A]

Love pumpkin pie.

[B]

This. That's our second disagreement. Andrews or Waller?

[C]

Andrews.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Adam Thielen. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna go.

[C]

Waller. Adam feeling they're the same guy. They need a touchdown.

[B]

It's true. Adam Thielen resurgence.

[C]

You know, this is typically the type of situation where Aaron Rodgers is, you know, stubborn and likes his veteran guys. And this is apparently a relationship that they've wanted to play together for a long time. So wouldn't shock me if Thielen has more targets than expected, but no. Okay.

[B]

All right, we're gonna take a break. We got five games.

[C]

He was, like, begging for Alan Lazar to get released by the Jets.

[B]

Yeah.

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[A]

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[C]

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[B]

Over under 22 fantasy points, 6 point per passing touchdown leagues for Patrick Mahomes against Houston.

[A]

Under.

[C]

Under.

[B]

I can't believe we have to start him because he's top seven. It's so frustrating.

[C]

I wish the offensive line was healthy. Like I, I'd still feel comfortable with him if the offensive line was, you know. So hopefully Smith and. And Taylor play, but like man down three linemen. We saw that in big spots for him in his career. It's not. Not great. And this defense is just nasty. Like those two ends are. Defensive ends are just so awesome.

[A]

I, I will lower him if he's actually down three linemen. The one, they have a pretty good sixth offensive lineman. So the one I think that they, they played, he played really well without Josh Simmons earlier in the year. But the other two, let's. Let's see where they're at.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And. Yeah, so Hugh, whatever. I mean, I can get into some numbers, but Houston's face a lot of great offenses, and for the most part, these teams are around 20, 20 points or less. There've been some exceptions and, and the Chiefs have faced some great defenses and they're usually around 20 points with some exceptions, but the Chiefs are just better at home than they are on the road now. Is Nico Collins the only player that you want to start for Houston?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Dalton Schultz is in the top 12.

[B]

All right. Is there any hesitation with Nico Collins?

[C]

No. Zero.

[B]

Okay. I mean, he's. I think you have him 15th, so that's for Nico. That's on the low side. But start Nico. He'll be. He'll be 95% started, I'm sure. Dalton Schultz or Mark Andrews?

[C]

Schultz.

[A]

Schultz.

[B]

And are we still strange over Schultz?

[C]

Yes. Yes. All right.

[B]

This is a tough matchup. Chiefs give up the seventh fewest fantasy points. They were great against Jake Ferguson. They were great against Tyler Warren. They haven't faced the toughest competition this year, but. All right. Schultz has been pretty reliable other than that game against Buffalo. So Jaden Higgins, how are we feeling about Jaden Higgins? We talked about like Alec. Alec Pierce or Jaden Higgins?

[A]

Pierce.

[C]

Pierce.

[B]

Jaden Higgins or Tesla?

[C]

I would go Tesla.

[A]

I have Higgins.

[B]

Higgins or Kennedy tonight?

[A]

Higgins.

[C]

Higgins. I have Higgins ahead of Mitchell and.

[A]

Vale, so I have him right behind Mitchell and Bailey.

[B]

Woody Marks is outside the top 24. Woody marks behind Jalen Warren. But who's the best running back in this game, Woody Marks or Kareem Hunt?

[A]

I'll go Hunt.

[C]

I would go Marks, but it's with no sense of confidence. Neither one of these guys.

[B]

Heath, make a case for Kareem Hunt because you're not super high on him, but you're, you have him 19th in PPR. Jamie has him 29th and Dave 26th on Kareem Hunt.

[A]

And I think I have Mark's 26th and there's not honestly a huge amount of difference between those spots in the running back rankings. I, I was encouraged by the fact that Isaiah Pacheco, I think only had five touches last week. Kareem Hunt is the lead running back. He does score touchdowns. He's got a little bit of involvement in the passing game. I think he's more likely to score than Marx is and partially that's just because the Chiefs are at home and the Texans are at Arrowhead. But you're going to need a touchdown. He's a touchdown dependent, low end RB2.

[C]

Offensive line concerns still apply for him too. And the Texans have only allowed two running back touchdowns on the ground since week seven.

[B]

All right, I mean, is there any concern that Isaiah Pacheco gets more snaps this week and they go back to the old role of Pacheco being the primary ball carrier?

[C]

I don't think the first part of that, yes, there's got to be some concern that Pacheco plays a little bit more. The second part, that they go back to him as the lead guy. No, I can't imagine that, that at this point they want to, you know, take any chances with what's, I don't want to say been working for them, but clearly Isaiah Pacheco was not working for them. So it's, I think just, you know, it wouldn't shock me if they try to get another 20 plus carries out of Cream Hunt and just hold the ball and win a field goal game.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

Start Rice. I mean there's just. Yeah, start Rice. He's not going to get shadowed by Stingley. Can't start Word.

[C]

I think if you, if you remove Mahomes because most people are still going to start him, but in terms of like the mustard guys, it's probably the two top receivers and Kelsey, if you want to throw Schultz in there, then I get it. But like to me, those are the only safe plays.

[B]

So. Kelsey, it's like, I don't know why I even bother having this conversation. Because if you have Kelsey, you're starting him, but he's at a target share of less than 19 in four of six games since Rasheed Rice returned. You know, he's got six targets, five or six targets three of his last four games. And this is a tough matchup they're giving with the fifth fewest fantasy points. Texans fifth best against tight ends. So would you consider Strange or Schultz or Waller or somebody like that over Kelsey?

[C]

Strange, yes. Schultz, maybe. Waller, no chance.

[A]

I think if you just look at the, at his recent games, like he faced the Bills already and scored had the best, I think the best tight end game of the season against the Bills. He faced the Broncos and had like 24 fantasy points. I. I think you just. He's just a, he's a must start. He might have a bad game, but he's a must start.

[B]

All right, Mahomes or Stafford to the chat. Questions. Stafford, Kelsey or Strange? I just asked that. Kelsey, I think, right?

[C]

Yeah. Yes. But it's close. They're back to back for me.

[B]

Okay. Kamani Vidal or Woody Marks? That's a good one.

[C]

Vidal if Hampton is out. Marks if Hampton is in.

[B]

Yep. Schultz or Kincaid?

[C]

It would be Kincaid for me if he plays Schultz. Obviously not.

[A]

I would probably just go Schultz. And is there a chance the Chargers are Monday night, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is there a chance we go into Sunday games with Justin Herbert and Amari and Hampton both still unknown?

[C]

Probably.

[B]

Seems like pretty good for Hampton.

[C]

I'm gonna guess if, if Herbert practices, he's playing, you know, so if he's out there taking snaps, then he's gonna play.

[B]

Said Herbert also said that he could play without practicing.

[C]

Right. That's the, that's the, the fear, you know. So I dropped Herbert in one league where I had picked up.

I picked up Burrow and half Stafford. So like I was playing Stafford and Herbert. Like there's no need for me to carry Herbert rest of season. I have Herbert in a super flex league where I'm unfortunately the only is dynasty league. Only option was to pick up Trey Lance.

[B]

Kamani by Del or Marks. Did I ask this? I did.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And someone said I dropped Woody Marks. I'm done with that guy still gets a lot of work.

[A]

You know, I think in a 10 team league I could understand it.

[C]

Darren Waller, my son had a question of he. He only had Drake May and it's 10 team league. He has with friends. And he said, should I drop Romo Dunze because he's got a good receiving core to pick up Jordan Love. And I said I would drop Woody Marks personally, but he decided to drop Odoo.

[B]

All right, I think we've talked about Dalton Schultz or Brenton Strange.

[A]

Just, just, just get used to that. Jamie, I'm gonna ask your opinion and then I'm gonna do the opposite. That's the next five years.

[C]

Oh, this was the 11 year old.

[B]

One good left. One good one left. Woody Marks or Chris Rodriguez ppr.

[C]

I would take the chance with Rodriguez. I mean, they're both not catching the ball at this point. You know, Marks has three catches in his last three games. Rodriguez has, has as much touchdown potential as Marks does, if not more.

[A]

I've got Marks barely, but no confidence.

[C]

All right.

[B]

And Dave and Jamie like the Texans DST better than the Chiefs. Heath has the Chiefs DST of the most Cincinnati's at Buffalo. All right, Burrow. Who would you Burrow or Brissette?

[C]

I believe I moved Brissette ahead of Burrow, but I'm probably on an island there.

[A]

I think I have them. They're very, very close. I currently have Burrow higher.

[B]

Look, Burrow is Joe Burrow. But also the Bills are amazing. Second fewest fantasy points to quarterbacks. They felt Drake May, Patrick Mahomes to 12.1 or fewer fantasy points. Baker Mayfield 18.8.

[A]

Like you talk about the Texans and then they're a better defense. And the Bills have played some bad quarterbacks, some good quarterbacks, but they haven't allowed a quarterback to score even 19 fantasy points since week one.

[C]

So you want a fun staffer, bro?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay, so his passing attempt prop on Fanduel is 35 and a half in 13 games with at least 36 attempts over the last two seasons. He's averaging 29.8 fantasy points.

Yeah, only two games. Only two games under 21.2 over that span. So he's been pretty consistent with his numbers.

[A]

Hopefully T. Higgins is full today week.

[B]

Right.

[C]

That would definitely help. Last week we saw 46 pass attempts for Bro and his first game back from a toe injury against Baltimore. Yeah, unless the time of possession is just completely lopsided like it was for Buffalo last week. I'd be shocked if he's under 40 past steps.

[B]

So you can get a lot going.

[C]

Into it against the 85 bears that Joe Burrow is going to throw 40 plus times I'm starting.

[A]

Oh, man.

John. I'm sorry, Johnny. Airport probably just had his Best comment ever in the chat. I'm not sure that I can put it on the screen, but it was fantastic.

[B]

I gotta search for it. Burrow or Bo Nix.

[A]

Good job.

[C]

Promise.

[B]

Burrow golf or burrow golf.

[C]

Golf.

[B]

Okay, so yeah, I mean look, there's gonna be a lot of starts in this game, right? The total is 53 and a half. Allen, he's number one for you guys. I wish you were playing a little better. I hope. I wish his tackles were playing better. I wish they were playing right. Higgins and Chase. If Higgins plays, going to be a must start guy. And if Higgins doesn't play, are we going to go back to the Yoshevis? Well, or think about Tinsley or think about Gasicki. Is anyone else?

[C]

No chance. Kaseki.

[B]

Oh, right. Not against the Bills.

[C]

Right. I think you got to be desperate at this point to go back to Yoshevis or Tinsley. You know, Tinsley scored two games ago, then does nothing with more targets than Yoshibas. Yoshibas had a 10 point game two games ago without Chase, then has the touchdown, but only one catch without Higgins there. Like it's just too tough to trust them.

[A]

I would start both Vale and Mitchell and Higgins over Tinsley, who I have ahead of Yoshavis. But I don't want to start.

[B]

Here's one more reason to like Khalil Shakir. So The Bengals are six best against wide receivers. But like I mentioned, D.J. turner is playing great. He's not going to follow Shakira into this, into this slot, I don't think. But the Bengals give up the third most yak per catch to wide receivers. They keep things in front of them. They do not get beat deep. Talked about this with a guy like Romo Dunze who had a terrible game against them, but they give up a ton of yak and Shakira is a yak specialist. I guess I've made quite a case for Scalia.

[A]

Shakir, how high would you rank Khalil Shakir?

[B]

Let me look at your wide receiver.

[A]

Would you start him over Jacoby Myers?

[B]

Yeah, I'd start him over Barry McLaurin.

If it's Mariota. Yes. No, no, let's start McLaurin.

[A]

Let's start Christian Watson.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Justin Jefferson.

[B]

No. Okay, but Odunze. Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Where you don't have him that high. You, you're like a little lower than that. Dave is basically in that range and Jamie, I'm like, I don't know, maybe two spots ahead of you guys on this gear. I just feel like this can be a good Gabriel.

[C]

I think you just kind of know what he is this point. Right. Like the la two of the last three games have been terrible.

[B]

But that's weird. He's never like that. He was the most consistent player in fantasy last year.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. You kind of know what he is. You know, he's usually around 11 PPR points and you know, if he scores a touchdown, he gets you 17 or 18. So I. I think the hope would be. Is that to your point, this is a competitive game. We see Josh Allen throwing the ball a lot more. There's the biggest thing that could probably sway this in his favor is if there's no Kincaid. Because I don't think they trust Austin Knox to the same level. Clearly. And you're looking at a team that just has been miserable against tight ends. So if. If Kincaid plays.

I think it's worse for. For Shakira, maybe by a lot.

[B]

Yeah, it could just be better for Alan, but sure, I could see that.

[A]

Who has more fantasy points per game, Zay Flowers or Cleo Shakira.

[C]

I would say Shakir too.

[A]

Say flowers has been 1.2 points better than him.

That fast start is a lot of it, but.

[B]

All right, so it. Sorry. Chase Brown's top 10. I am slightly worried about Chase Brown because the Bills are incredible against pass catching running backs. And we know that P. Ryan had a pretty big role last week, but the Bills have a bad run defense. So start Chase Brown. P. Ryan. Is he like a top 30 running back? P. Ryan or just a Hail Mary?

[C]

Hail Mary. Hail Mary and a good handcuff.

[B]

Let me read.

[A]

Although, I mean, the way this thing's all working out, top 30 might be hail Mary.

[B]

We've got a sleeper. If Kincaid doesn't play Dawson. Knox might be a sleeper. But someone's asking Yoshivas or Knox.

[C]

If Kincaid is out. I might take a chance on Knox over your shows.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I hope it's not Jackson Hawes.

[C]

Right. That's the problem. It's just they haven't been a consistent tight end since Kincaid's not been there.

[B]

Who has more upside? Dak or Burrow?

[C]

Deck. Deck.

[B]

Burrow or Brissette this week.

I'm gonna lean Brissette. I've got Burrow, Shakir or Flowers.

[A]

There you go. Flowers.

[C]

I would go flowers.

[B]

I go secure. Higgins or Dobbs?

[A]

Higgins.

[C]

Higgins.

[B]

Kincaid or Fannon?

[C]

Kincaid.

[A]

If he plays, I'd go fanning.

[B]

Wow, that's amazing. You'd start fanning over. Over Kincaid in this incredible.

[C]

Matt.

[B]

You just worry that he's not gonna be 100, right? Okay. Shakir or Michael Wilson.

[C]

Wilson by a lot. If Harrison is out. Shakira if Harrison's in.

[A]

I didn't they say that Kincaid has a second. He's got like a new knee thing also.

[B]

Oh, I don't know.

[A]

I think they listed him with two injuries. Like he's just. He has such a hard time staying healthy.

[C]

Yeah, it's a shame.

[B]

All right. And that's it for this start. James Cook.

Okay. Sit the dsts Denver's at Las Vegas stat of the game. You want 11.4. I've given this stat before but you want 11.4 fantasy points in PPR from your wide receiver. That's not a terrible floor. 16 wide receivers have done that against the Raiders. 16 have scored 11.4 or more PPR fantasy points. Are we going back to Sutton? Are we going back to Franklin Heath? Do you like the. Do you like the rate the Denver passing game here?

[A]

Well, it will be an interesting thing because at the Raiders is not a difficult matchup for a quarterback at all. And you're indoors so you don't have any weather concerns. So generally speaking I would say yes. I think Jamie probably has some Bo Nicks on the road stats though that would say no. I'm starting Cortland Sutton. Troy Franklin terrifies me. He's. He's in my top 36. But they just flat out played Pat Bryant over him last week and I don't. With Sean Payton. You don't know if. Was that just a one week thing or is that just the way it's going to be now? So I, I think Franklin's a very low floor and he never has a huge upside but still in that wide receiver three range because he could just move right back into his role next week.

[B]

I didn't realize that they started that they. He lay his snaps were down.

[A]

I'll pull it up the routes.

[B]

Oh wow. I didn't realize that. Good to know. Bad to see though.

[C]

All right, you have, you have a, a game already between these two teams. It was in Denver where Bonix typically is great and he was miserable and you know he brought this up. Bonix indoors has actually been decent comparatively to Bonix outdoors. But he's three straight games with 18 fantasy points or less. One of those was the, the Raiders game. And so the concern would be is what we've seen from Bonix at his best this season really. I think aside from the Cincinnati game, it's been These fourth quarter comebacks.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I don't think you're going to get that this week because the Raiders are so bad in this defense. I think will bounce back after what we saw last week based on how the Raiders have performed. So Knicks is in, in a bad quarterback week week. I think he's more in that group of Daniel Jones, Trevor Lawrence, Marcus Mariota, you know, the, the questionable starters. You know, I would still start, for example, Lamar Jackson over him because I think there's much more upside. But it wouldn't surprise me if Nick's is better. So I think he's going to be in that 18 to 21 point range. You know, I have to do these. We break up stardom cinema. If you know, haven't been reading this by position. So I write like, you know, a guy that I'm a little concerned about that I don't really have as a start or set. You know, kind of just this really, you know, gray area. And I led the story with Bo Nix. Like Sportsline hasn't projected for 21 points again. His best game in his last three was 18. I think that's where he is, you know, somewhere between that. So low end starter at best. If you have him. I wouldn't, I, I wouldn't be dropping him for. To Rod Taylor or Mariota or the other guys that we talked about this week. I would. If you know, for example, Jacoby Brissette was out there, that's a move I would definitely make.

[A]

Yeah, I, I have Mario to one spot ahead of Nick's. But you can't do that with the Jaden Daniels uncertainty, I don't think. And just to for the actual numbers from last week. Pat Bryant had a 68.6% SNAP share. Troy Franklin was 51%. Bryant ran 77 of the routes. Franklin was down to 67. Bryant had a 16 target share. Franklin 7%.

[C]

Whoa.

[B]

Wow. I didn't realize he didn't play. He played less. Okay, that's, that's really important stuff. Thank you.

[C]

And you also had a spike game for Evan Ingram too, which we haven't seen for a while.

[B]

We have a couple of good run defenses here and we have two young running backs that we want to start. Jamie, I think you said you like Genti better than Harvey, right?

[C]

Slightly. Okay.

[B]

Because he's got, that. He's got eight targets in three straight games, but no running. How about no running back has more than 11 receiving yards against the Broncos in their last five games. That's insane.

[A]

Insane.

[B]

So Genti, hopefully Can can keep it going with as a receiver but not a good matchup. I don't know. These guys are tough. Would you start them over Saquon Barkley.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So full ppr. I would go Genty Barkley, Harvey. Non ppr. I would go Barkley, Harvey Genti.

[B]

Okay. Would you? All right. I think these guys are good. They're like top 16 running backs. Look, it's not a perfect setup, but we know how running back is and there's potential for them, obviously. Would you start Sutton or.

[C]

Or.

[B]

Yeah. Would you start Cortland Sutton over the running backs? Who's the best flex in this game?

[A]

The running back, Gendy or Bowers?

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Forgot about him.

[A]

I've got Genti over Bowers in terms of flex rankings.

[B]

All right. Sutton or Shakir?

[C]

Sutton.

Yeah. All right.

[B]

Sutton's a number two receiver. Evan Ingram, starter said Jamie I would sit him.

[C]

You know, again, huge game last week. Prior to that he was miserable. One touchdown on the season or two at most.

[A]

One heat.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. He stunk against the Raiders. They're still top five in defending tight ends. So to me it's hey, you got a great game. Adam last week, if you started him, I would look for other options for sure.

[B]

All right, sit. Geno Smith talked about genti. We're not going to go with Trey Tucker and Bowers as a start and start the Broncos DST and I hope I didn't. Let me see if I have any questions here. Sutton or Abuka.

[C]

Right now. It would be a buka if Evans plays. It would be sudden.

[B]

Sutton or McConkey.

[C]

Still lad.

[A]

I have them back to back. I very slight lean to lad.

[B]

If it's. If it's Trey, Lance, I think you're probably gonna go with Sutton, Sutton or McLaurin?

[C]

Sutton. But that's close.

[A]

I have Terry one spot higher.

[B]

Pat Bryant or Tesla?

[C]

Tesla.

[B]

Tesla Harvey or Breece Hall.

[C]

Hall.

[A]

Paul love Bristol.

[B]

Troy Franklin or Odunze?

Oh, you love Breeze hall, do you? Well, let's go to the Dolphins and the jets and I forgot everybody to tell you to vote. Sorry. The64.com please go vote for us. Voting ends today. The64.com we are in the semifinals. Let's go get to the finals.

[A]

What time does it end?

[B]

I think 3:00am Eastern, midnight Pacific. I think so.

[A]

Not today.

[C]

All right.

[B]

Miami's at the jets and Heath, you love Brie Salt. You love anyone else in this game. Well, that's stupid. Obviously. Love a chan.

[A]

I love hn. You love Bruce Hall. I I love Waddle. I like it was a bad game last week, but with the way the wide receiver position is right now. He's a top 12 wide receiver. I'm not even considering not starting him.

[B]

I'm not either, guys. But they have gotten so run heavy. They've won.

[C]

What?

[B]

For their last five. For the last six.

[C]

They.

[B]

Yeah, four. They're four and one their last five games. They're barely throwing three straight games with more than 20 carries for Achan. And yeah, Waddle is seeing a downtick in targets. He was bad two weeks ago against the Commanders. I mean Commanders and Saints and he scored combined 15.2 fantasy points. So I feel like I have to bring that up. He can't. He can't just be one of those guys. Yeah, I start Waddle, I feel I have to bring that.

[A]

No, he's definitely like, that's all entirely true. And I would challenge you to find even 15 wide receivers. You might start over.

[B]

Yeah. He's so good. And you're right. It just, I guess just to. Just to point it out, that trend is happening right now. So guess What?

[A]

The top 15 wide receivers might suck too. Like that's, that's how we feel about the book is still in that range.

[B]

You know, I honestly felt like Darren Waller looked really good last week. He looks fast. He looked good all year. I don't know how he. He did such a bad job in the back of the end zone on that throw. Like not even trying to get his feet down. That was weird. And he didn't play that much. He played what, about half the snap? Something like that. The jets are. They've allowed seven touchdowns to tight ends, but only one in their last five games. No tight end is more than 49 yards against the jets, so that's pretty interesting. So Waller, I guess, is the toughest call for the Dolphins. Jamie, do you like him?

[C]

I think he's a low end starter at best. I'll go back to when you asked about Andrews. Like Waller's got to score. If he doesn't score, you're not getting a big yardage game because he's not playing that much and they're not throwing that much. So you need that touchdown in it. In his best games this season has been all touchdowns. Okay.

[B]

Waller or Andrews?

[C]

Andrews. But again, that's the Spider man.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Waller or Pitts against Seattle, it's for.

[C]

Sure if London's out.

[A]

Yeah, it's by a mile.

[B]

London or Hawkinson? I'm sorry? Waller or Hawkinson Against Washington Waller.

[C]

Waller.

[B]

Waller. Earth.

Ertz Waller or Loveland?

[A]

Loveland Waller?

[B]

Tyrod Taylor or to Rod Taylor, whatever it is. You go back to the starts he made in 2023. He has now scored 19.7 or more fantasy points and 6 point per passing touchdown leagues in five of his last seven starts that he didn't leave with an injury. He's kind of, he's, he's like a slightly worse version of Mariota, I would say. Dolphins are 26th against quarterbacks. So there you go. He's. He's 19th in the consensus rankings.

[C]

I mean, you could do worse. I would start him over two, for example. You know, I think there's just more upside at this point. So it's, it's good that they've found receivers. You know, I think the concern was when Garrett Wilson went out like, like this was the worst receiving core in football. And it still might be on paper, but you know, Adnai Mitchell is coming off a great game. The two previous games, you know, Mechi had touchdowns each of those. And the, the thing that sucks is that they haven't been able to establish Mason Taylor, who I hope is still a big part of their future. Now if you go back to the first game between these two teams, it was Mason Taylor's dad, you know, hall of Fame player for the Dolphins in Miami had a big game against them. That was when the Dolphins are really bad against tight ends fans. So maybe that's another, you know, game that they give him an opportunity to play well in, but you can't trust it. So I think just in the case of Taylor, you got the rushing touchdown last week, you know, he'll do some things with his legs. And based on how this game is, is unfolding, Tyler schuck just had 21 points against Miami, so hopefully Todd comes through.

[B]

All right, we love Breeze hall. He's top 12. He's eighth for both of you guys, 12th for Dave.

All right, Adonai Mitchell has 25 targets in his last three games. That's pretty cool. And John Mechi has 18.

AD and I. Mitchell has three end zone targets. I think two of them have been deep balls. I guess the only thing Heath, that, you know, last week we were having this discussion about Mechi, now we're having it about Mitchell. So I don't hope we don't pick the wrong guy.

[A]

But yeah, and I, I have kind of had, I've had a lot of regret this week because AD and I. Mitchell was rostered in some leagues where I could have used him and I added John Metchie over AD and I Mitchell a couple weeks ago. And honestly, the think the fundamentals have looked better for Mitchell the last three weeks than for Mei. It's just we know the story with Adonai Mitchell. He is borderline elite at getting open and borderline unplayable when the ball's thrown his way. Like all types of dumb things have happened throughout his career, including the thing that getting run out of Indianapolis. But if you just want to be somebody who trusts the underlying stats, adnai Mitchell's probably too low for all of us. Like his role. He's. I think he's sixth in targets since he joined the jets or sixth in target share. And so. And it's. It should be a chance for the jets to put up some points. I think he's a number three wide receiver.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. And he's a high average route depth guy. I talked about that yesterday. That's just like Isaac Tesla. That means you could get the big play. You're probably not going to get a lot of safety there, but eight targets, this. It gives you some safety. A guy who has a high average route death and a high a dot and also gets eight targets is pretty appealing. That's like if Alec Pierce were getting that, you know, you'd be pumped about it. Just. Yeah, it's not the same.

[A]

It's just you might be screaming at your TV in the middle of the third quarter because you can't believe that those 12 fantasy points just disappeared.

[C]

The only thing I would disagree is no one is watching this game.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

I was about to say.

I'm gonna have. I'm gonna have Brown's Titans on Dolphins. Jets. Exciting.

[B]

I have to watch this game every week. The jets every week.

[C]

It's awful.

[B]

Someone correcting me in the chat.

[C]

I don't have to.

[B]

Well, I mean, it's the only. You know, it's. The local games are on. It's Mario Ta. Yes. That was strange. There. There seemed to be like a direct. Yeah. You had to think that they told them, hey, pronounce it Mario Ta on Sunday.

[C]

Well, Collinsworth was like very like over emphasizing it and it didn't feel like Trico Us.

[B]

Do you like the Dolphins? Dst?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. They've had huge games lately. They've been getting four of their last five, but terrible. Baltimore 12.

[A]

I don't. I don't dislike them. They're 12.

[B]

Tennessee's at Cleveland. Our last game and we've got basically nobody to start for Tennessee.

[C]

How could you at this point like it's the, the only sneaky play in this game is the Titans defense because of how Sanders has performed in the the Browns quarterback in general.

[B]

Okay. What a shame. And then we go to Cleveland. We're gonna sit shoulder Sanders.

[C]

I do think though somebody asked about Gunner Helm. Like he's got six catches in the last two games. He's playing a lot more. He's been productive. They're receiving core. Both guys I think are on the injury report this week. I'm expecting both are going to play but DK's missed was limited on Wednesday and I think I o manor was as well. So if you're desperate Titan premium league league. You know, gun I'm starting Gunner Helm in the fishbowl playoffs for example. You know those, those six catches and then in the tight end premium league are important.

[B]

Tennessee's run defense unfortunately has been a little bit better two of the last three games, maybe even three of the last four. Otherwise, I'd say I'm shocked that Judkins is, is only 17th for Heath, 14th for Jamie, 19th for Dave. You know, I don't know that the matchups really matter. He's probably, as Heath said, probably not gonna have a great run average. But yeah, you know, the Titans, they give up a ton of fantasy points. They're 20th against running backs, but they do give up the fewest receiving yards per game of running backs.

[C]

But anyway, I do think though, again, the fact that they're using him more in the passing game is big. If Sampson doesn't play. They've been using him the last two games with Shador and the Wildcat, so they're giving him, you know, additional touches, you know, to be creative with the ball. And so I think you just have to understand like think time of possession is going to matter here. As Heath said, it's going to grind his way to, you know, hopefully a big game. We score. We saw two games ago where.

You know, the rushing touchdowns matter for him. We've seen that a few times. Like the Miami game was, was pretty bad. He had 23 carries, I think for 80 some odd yards in that game, but scored three times. Like that's the type of game you're hoping for.

[B]

All right. And then we got Harold Fannin. We're not going to start a Browns wide receiver. Harold Fannin Jr. Is top 12. 10th for Jamie, 8th for Dave, 11th, 7th for Heath and he's running all the routes and yeah, it looks good.

[A]

I, I'll say he's. Because I know it's weird for me being the log, I'm fan.

[B]

But he's.

[A]

I think he's sixth in the projections. I'm just terrified that it's an 18 pass game. And so if that happens, you might get five targets from Harold Phantom.

[B]

20 and 25 pass attempts for Sanders in two games. One of them was, you know, a. A. I mean, one of them. They would just run heavy. I can't remember the circumstances of the first one. Did they blow someone out or do they get blown out? Oh, they were 2410 in the first.

[A]

Game, which they might do this week.

[B]

But last week they lost 26 to 8 and they had 20. I think they had 26 pass attempts. I think Gabriel threw one. So they obviously just want to run the ball. All right, some questions from the chat.

How about Judkins, t. Higgins or McConkey?

[C]

Well, if Herbert does not play, lads, definitely out.

Yeah, I would go Higgins and ppr. Judkins and half a nun.

[A]

Yeah, I'd probably just go Judkins.

[B]

Fanon or Dalton Schultz?

[C]

Schultz.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Fanon.

[B]

Fanon or Brenton? Strange.

[C]

Strange. Strange.

[B]

Fanon or Kincaid?

[C]

If he plays Kincaid for me, I'll stick with Phantom.

[A]

I think the most interesting thing about this game is does Miles Garrett break the sack record in week 14?

[B]

How many does he need? Four.

[A]

I think he needs four. The Titans give up about five a game.

[C]

Untouchable.

[A]

What's that?

[C]

He has a chance to make this record. Untouchable. I know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Insane. We have one more question. Sanders or Tarod Taylor?

[A]

Taylor.

[C]

Taylor.

[B]

We have one more question.

[C]

He's the easiest.

Award, right? With defensive player, probably.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Stranger Things or Game of Thrones?

[C]

Game of Thrones.

[A]

I've only seen one. I mean, I've seen. I, I actually. Actually, I think I'm. I. I tried to watch two episodes of Game of Thrones, so I think it's pretty clearly Stranger Things.

[B]

You tried to watch seasons season one, episodes one and two. I mean, absolute masterpieces of.

[A]

I think I tried to watch season one, episode one twice.

[B]

And you didn't like it.

[A]

It's just not my thing.

[B]

All right.

[A]

I think. I think the new season of Stranger Things has been fantastic.

[B]

Listen, I gotta say, Stranger Things, if it ends well, can overtake Game of Thrones because Game of Thrones really didn't end well. Season, especially season six.

[A]

It's gonna. It's gonna take you about 16 hours to find out.

[B]

And. Yeah.

[A]

Because the Stranger Thing episodes are so long.

[B]

Here's the worst comment of the of the day from Matty Randoms. Sons of Anarchy over Stranger Things in Game of Thrones. Bro, watch the Shield. The Shield is sons of anarchy 10 times better. I like Sons of Anarchy, but it's the same guy. It's the same people, you know, and it's just so much better. Sons of Anarchy was like a low budget version of the Shield. All right, folks, good luck. Enjoy the game tonight. Should be really fun. And we will talk to you tomorrow with Start or sit and Breaking Bad over everything. I can't really argue with that. Start or Sit for the NFC home games tomorrow on fantasy football day.

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