Start or Sit (AFC): Quinshon Judkins, Drake Maye, PIT RBs and Our Ideal Thanksgiving Meal (11/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today (CBS Sports): "Start or Sit (AFC): Quinshon Judkins, Drake Maye, PIT RBs and Our Ideal Thanksgiving Meal"

Episode Date: November 27, 2025
Hosts: Adam Aizer, Jamey Eisenberg, Heath Cummings

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Episode Overview

This festive Thanksgiving episode dives into AFC start/sit decisions for Week 13, focusing on tricky RB and WR options, key injury updates, and helping listeners make the tough lineup calls for pivotal fantasy matchups. The crew also debates ideal Thanksgiving meals and dishes, delivering laughs and audience questions with their signature banter. Notable player discussion centers on Quinshon Judkins, Drake Maye, Pittsburgh RBs, and plenty of “who to trust” analysis for a field of dicey AFC fantasy starters.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Thanksgiving Vibes and Community

• The guys open in a light holiday mode, ribbing each other about favorite Thanksgiving foods and talking about the tradition of Wednesday night “Thanksgiving Eve” as a big night to gather with friends.

  • “Ham’s better than turkey.” – Adam [01:39]
  • “I am expecting a very festive YouTube chat tonight… everyone’s coming in here to hang out with us.” – Heath [02:00]

• For fun: Each host details their ideal Thanksgiving meal later in the show (see Memorable Moments below).

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2. Start of the Week & Players They Love for Week 13

• Jamey’s Picks:

  • RJ Harvey (RB, UCF): “Washington defense is number five in most fantasy points allowed to running backs... I’m hopeful he’ll be in that [13+ FP] range. Which puts him as number two running back. I have him at number fifteen.” [03:53]
  • Jacoby Brissette (QB): “Has 20+ points in six straight... good matchup vs. the Bucs.”
  • Stefon Diggs (WR): “He was miserable last week but this is a much easier opponent... Giants are terrible. I think Diggs has a significant bounce back.” [04:55]

• Heath’s Picks:

  • Travion Henderson (RB): “Big playback… Giants defense almost historically bad against RBs... He's a top 12 running back this week.” [05:40]
  • Wandale Robinson (WR): “Not far from a top-12 WR... 30% target share since Neighbors went down… You start that guy every week.” [05:45]
  • Ashton Jeanty (RB): “Usage in the passing game has been fantastic... they throw it to him 17 times, I don’t care about the schedule.” [06:20]
  • Compare: "Jeanty, Travion, and Harvey all back-to-back-to-back" in his rankings. [06:59]

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3. Players to Avoid / Sit Calls

• Heath:

  • “Sit Swift, sit Menangai, sit Daniel Jones... Texans have allowed only 3 QBs to reach 20 fantasy points all year.” [07:13]
  • On DeAndre Swift: “Not a top-30 RB. I have zero faith...” [07:16]
  • Brock Purdy: “There's absolutely no reason to start him against Cleveland.” [08:13]

• Jamey:

  • Sit Aaron Jones, Michael Pittman, and Deebo Samuel:
    • “Jones vs. Seattle, undrafted rookie QB making 1st start, banged up OL—how do you trust the offense?”
    • “Pittman vs. Houston: brutal matchup, last 3 vs Texans, 9.4 PPR or less.”
    • “Deebo Samuel: Not a starter in 3-WR leagues.” [09:04]

• Deebo Debate:

  • Jamie: “He’s 40th for me—don’t trust him against Denver.”
  • Heath: “Not a must-start, but not someone you have to run away from—found a way to be top-30 most weeks.” [11:27–12:36]

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4. Major Injury & News Rundown (Timestamped at [13:46])

• Baker Mayfield questionable, Aaron Rodgers DNP but optimistic, Daniel Jones limited but should play.
• RB updates: Trey Benson limited, Josh Jacobs in, Bucky Irving practiced fully (not expecting big workload), Ken Walker limited, Ashton Jeanty off injury report.
• WRs: Marvin Harrison Jr. limited, Devonta Smith possibly out, Jaden Reed out, Chris Olave left early.
• Offensive line: Multiple key injuries notably for the Patriots, Vikings, Bills, Lions.
  • “Patriots missing their left guard and left tackle… against the Giants.” – Adam [15:51]

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5. Game-by-Game Start/Sit Rapid Fire

Giants at Patriots

• QBs (Drake Maye & Jackson Dart): Both viable; Maye higher (Heath has him at 2, Jamie at 7). [20:03]
• RBs: Travion Henderson close to must-start; “Giants, almost historically bad vs RBs.” [30:01]
• WRs: Diggs, Wandale Robinson startable; Kayshon Boutte a deep dart.
• TEs: Theo Johnson slightly above Hunter Henry; both streamers, neither reliable top-12. [37:07]

Buffalo at Pittsburgh

• Steelers RBs: “Warren is a low-end RB2... would not be surprised if some passing game work goes to Warren now with a week under his belt.” – Heath [20:41]
• Shakir/Diggs/Wandale:
  • Jamie: “All in top 20; Diggs first.”
  • Heath: “Wandale, Shakir, Diggs—in that order.” [38:55]
• DK Metcalf: “Number 3 WR, tough to start as anything else.” [40:38]
• Josh Allen: Still a starter, even with O-Line injuries. [41:50]

Raiders at Chargers

• Chargers RBs (Vidal/Hampton): Both low-end RB2/flex if starting. Not high-ceiling but volume-based. [21:13]
• Ashton Jeanty: Strong start.
• Justin Herbert: Debate on trust; Heath top-10, Adam/Dave more cautious, citing O-Line and playstyle. [46:02]
• Trey Tucker: "On the Jameson Williams Spectrum—big play ability, but risky." – Heath [50:45]
• Quentin Johnston/Keenan Allen: Not much trust, but if forced, QJ over fringe options. [49:18]

Houston at Indianapolis

• Nico Collins: High-end WR2—some disagreement over his reliability in tough matchups. [22:21]
• Woody Marks: High-end flex, maybe low-end RB2; tons of carries but limited passing game lately. [56:28]
• Dalton Schultz: Top-10 TE option. [57:54]
• Jonathan Taylor: Start, but “hasn’t been great in tough matchups this year.” – Adam/Jamie [58:43]

Jacksonville at Tennessee

• Trevor Lawrence: Low-end starter; “opportunity for one of his better games in last month.” [63:13]
• Travis Etienne: Only confident RB start; Tootin a “what-the-heck flex.” [63:36]
• Jaguars WRs (Myers, Washington): Both number threes; if Brian Thomas Jr. plays, “all become fringe.” [64:21]
• Brenton Strange: Jamie bullish (top-7), Heath sees as TE1/2 fringe. [65:52]

San Francisco at Cleveland

• QBs: Sit Brock Purdy, Shakur Sanders.
• Judkins: “High-end flex/settle for RB2. Only reason to start him is TD hope.” – Heath [73:10]
• Harold Fannin Jr.: Heath bullish, top 10 TE, others more cautious but note snap/route trend. [70:26]
• DSTs: Both Niners and Browns top 10. [72:08]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Thanksgiving Debates (“Quickfire” at 26:08):

  • Adam: “Pumpkin pie or pecan pie?”
    • Heath: “Pumpkin!”
  • Adam: “Turkey or ham?”
    • Jamie: “Turkey.” Adam: “Ham.”
  • Adam: “Sweet potatoes or mashed potatoes?”
    • Jamie/Heath: “Mashed!”
  • Adam: “Stuffing or gravy—only one?”
    • Jamie: “Stuffing!” Heath: “If I have something to put it on, gravy.”
  • “Heath, you only got one right!” – Adam [26:42]

• Heath’s Perfect Meal:

  • “One third smoked turkey, one third mashed potatoes, one third stuffing, covered in gravy, side of cranberry sauce. Pumpkin and pecan pie.” [27:00]
  • “This is not a day for superfluous sides!” – Heath

• On Stefon Diggs’ Volatility:

  • “It feels to me more like a boom-bust No. 3 WR … sometimes, you don’t really know when it’s going to happen.” – Heath [30:25]

• Strong Fantasy Factoids:

  • “The Giants are allowing a yard more per carry to RBs than any other team.” – Adam [30:01]
  • “Pittsburgh: 10 straight QBs have thrown 33+ passes; most fantasy points allowed to WRs.” – Adam [38:27]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:39] – Thanksgiving chat, show rundown
• [03:37] – Start of the week picks (Harvey, Brissette, Diggs)
• [05:27] – Heath’s loves (Henderson, Wandale, Jeanty)
• [07:13] – Players to avoid (Swift, Daniel Jones, Purdy, Pittman, Deebo)
• [13:46-15:51] – News & injuries update
• [20:03] – Game-by-game: Giants at Patriots (QBs, RBs, WRs)
• [22:21] – Houston at Indianapolis: Nico Collins debate
• [30:01] – Giants D vs RB stat, Stefon Diggs/flex trust
• [38:55] – “Wandale, Shakir, Diggs” WR rankings
• [46:02-48:11] – Chargers’ offense debate; Herbert start/sit
• [50:32] – Trey Tucker evaluation
• [56:28] – Woody Marks workload
• [63:13] – Trevor Lawrence/Jags pass game vs. Titans
• [70:26] – Browns TE Harold Fannin Jr. breakout?
• [73:03] – Quinshon Judkins rest-of-season value
• [75:00] – Wrap-up and “what will you do if you win the podcast contest?”

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Start Confidence:

  • Travion Henderson, Ashton Jeanty, RJ Harvey = low-end RB1/high RB2
  • Wandale Robinson = high-end WR2/3, must-start in favorable context
  • Brock Purdy, Deebo Samuel, Swift = sits in most formats
  • Nico Collins = trust in most, but be wary in the hardest WR matchups

• Debate Points:

  • Justin Herbert is polarizing due to O-line and recent offensive struggles.
  • Stefon Diggs and other boom/bust WRs come with “ride the variance” risk.
  • For holiday feast: mashed potatoes and stuffing > all other sides.

• DFS/Betting:

  • Jamie & Heath highlight volume over matchup in several ambiguous backfields.
  • QB/WRs facing the Giants and Steelers get matchup upgrades.

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Final Words

“I’m thankful to get to do this show with you guys.” – Heath [75:13]

“Our audience is incredible. You guys are showing up to vote. It means a lot to us. We care about you, you care about us. I love you all. Enjoy your holiday.” – Adam [75:15]

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Happy Thanksgiving, and good luck in your fantasy matchups!
For further advice, check rankings, injury updates, and join the community discussion on CBS Sports HQ, YouTube, and Twitter (#AskFFT).

Transcript

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[Adam]

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[Heath]

I, I am expecting a very festive YouTube chat tonight. I, I think we should get have one of the best chats of the year. Adam, you probably don't know this, but Wednesday night is a bit of a. Thanksgiving Eve is a bit of a national holiday for imbibing with your friends.

[Adam]

Yeah, so I've heard.

[Heath]

The, the, the, the tradition is everybody comes home early in the week. You hang out with your friends. On Wednesday night, everybody's coming in here to hang out with us. The chat's gonna be awesome.

[Adam]

All right, pour one out. Let's go.

[Jamie]

We welcome you. How many like swinging?

[Adam]

How many likes? Oh, I don't even look at that. I should start looking at that. Fantasy Football Today, presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary. First I have to figure out how many people are watching and then I'll tell you how many likes we need. But today on the show, we have six games to talk about. We are going to preview Giants Patriots game of the week. Buffalo at Pittsburgh Raiders, Chargers, Houston at Indianapolis. Jacksonville at Tennessee as Cam Ward looks to build on his best game of his young career. And San Francisco at Cleveland as Brock Purdy looks to build on one of the worst games of his still young career. Anyway, schedule note the Thanksgiving game, the early game, usually 12:30. It's at 1:00 clock on Thursday. For the first time in 43 years, they've changed that.

[Jamie]

I know we're not airing our show live tomorrow, but we do have a live pre game show on CBS Sports HQ from 12 to 1pm Eastern.

[Adam]

Who's on that?

[Jamie]

I will be on with Pete Prisco and Legay dusable.

[Adam]

Okay, well, I wasn't invited. Players we love for fantasy week 13 are. RJ Harvey is our start of the week. He's at Washington. Jacoby Brissette at Tampa Bay. Stefon Diggs Monday night against the Giants. Those are Jamie's three. Harvey, Brissette and Diggs.

[Jamie]

Yeah, Harvey hopefully will perform better with the workload that he had in week 11 against a much easier opponent. That was Kansas City. He did not do great with 11 carries for 30 yards and three catches for 20 yards on three targets, but played 61% of the snapshot. I'm expecting that will be the same. And taking on a Washington defense that is number five and most fantasy points allowed to opposing running backs. Seven of the last eight running backs that they faced have scored at least 13 fantasy points. The seven instead of the last games a running back has scored at least 13 fantasy points or more against Washington. So I'm hopeful that he'll be in that range. Which puts him as number two running back. He's not on the same page there. Have him at number 15. Sportsline number 16. I'm sure Dave, when he sees our rankings will say, oh no, I need to adjust that. In the case of Jacoby Brissette, he may get a gift and Marvin Harrison may play. He returned to practice on Wednesday. So with what Brissette has done for the last six games 20 or more fantasy points taken out of Tampa Bay defense that has not been very good against opposing quarterbacks, specifically the last two that they face with Matthew Stafford and Josh Allen. I think this is a great opportunity for Brissette to stay above 20 fantasy points and hopefully be a top 10 fantasy quarterback. In the case of Stefan Diggs, he was miserable last week but this is a much easier opponent for him. Cincinnati actually does a pretty good job against number one wide receivers but looking at this matchup against the Giants, they're terrible and prior to last week he had scored a touchdown or got 100 yards receiving in four games in a row. I think he gets back on track. He's a prime time player playing in prime time. I don't trust this Giants defense at all. So I think Diggs has a significant enough bounce back game that he's a solid number two fantasy wide receiver.

[Adam]

All right Heath, so we're going to stay in that Giants Patriots game. I guess we're expecting a lot of points. Jamie loves Stefan Diggs. You like you love Travion Henderson and Wandell Robinson and also Ashton Genti at the Chargers.

[Heath]

Yeah, not a super high over under in that game but 27 points implied total for the Patriots and I guess my only concern about Stefan Diggs would be that Travion Henderson has so much success that they don't score a lot of points through the passing game. This Giants defense almost historically bad against running backs in terms of efficiency. Henderson is a big playback and he's going to have multiple opportunities. Loved the usage last week. He's a top 12 running back for me this week. Wand Robinson's not far From a top 12 wide receiver and Adam gets mad every time anybody says that but you can see top 18 for Jamie. Dave Me Sportsline 30% target share since Malik Neighbors went down. And yes, there's weeks where he only scores 9, 10, 11, 12 points. There's also been a couple of weeks this year where he scored almost 30. You start that guy every single week, especially this week in a game where they're going to be chasing the score. And then Ashton Genti we've talked about how bad his schedule is. I don't know if it matters how bad his schedule is if they throw it to him 17 times a game. His usage in the passing game has been fantastic and this Chargers defense has been a little leaky against running backs from time to time. They've given up some big plays. There's a chance for Genti to pop one here.

[Adam]

All right. Genti or Travion? Henderson.

[Heath]

I think I have Genti, Travion and Harvey all back to back to back.

[Adam]

Okay, these guys are starts this week and we'll go to players to avoid. We'll stay with Heath. You can start all those guys over. DeAndre Swift at Philadelphia.

[Heath]

You know it's, it's, it's funny because I feel like we handled the DeAndre Swift thing pretty well. Like we told everybody to draft him and we've been telling everybody for the last month to sell high and you don't have a chance to sell high anymore. He's not a top 30 running back for me. I have zero faith that he will be the best Bears running back in this game. I think there's a chance they play from behind and have to go high pass volume and Caleb hasn't been throwing to his running backs anymore. So sit Swift, sit menongai, sit Daniel Jones. Even at home it's the Texans that have been the best defense against quarterbacks all season long. I think they've let three all year reach 20 fantasy points. I'm the high guy on Daniel swift apparently at QB15. SportsLine likes him a lot more than I do. And then I've been the high guy on Brock Purdy. I don't care really about the three interceptions. I still think he's going to be a start almost every week with nobody on a buy and him facing the Browns, there's absolutely no reason to start him.

[Adam]

Yeah, you know I went back and I read my, my notes about Purdy from two games ago where he had a good game who was, I'm sorry, who did he face two games ago? Cardinals.

[Jamie]

Purdy two games ago face the Cardinals and had three touchdowns with 200 yards pass.

[Adam]

Yeah, but he also threw two terrible passes just like these 50. Not even 50. 50 like 80. 20 balls should have been intercepted. So he's, he's just making bad decisions right now. And you're right, I mean it's against Cleveland on the road. It's not exciting stuff. So he says sit DeAndre Swift, Daniel Jones and Brock Purdy. Just a quick stat for you little like kind of Cardinals running back thing here. The Bears running backs. A Bears running back has scored a touchdown in seven of the last eight games. So they have that. I guess I can't really call it a streak but a stretch three game streak. Three game.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Manangai scored in three strikes.

[Heath]

There you go.

[Adam]

But what about Swift before that? I wonder how many, how far back it Goes anyway. Jamie says sit. Aaron Jones at Seattle. Sit. Michael Pittman, Sitman against Houston. And this one you guys might disagree on. Sid Debo Samuel against Denver if I remember the rankings correctly. But Aaron Jones at Seattle, Pittman against Houston, Debo at Den against Denver.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Jones taking on a Seahawks defense that has been very good against opposing running backs with potentially an undrafted rookie quarterback making his first start down. Potentially two linemen in Darasaw and Dante Jackson I believe it is, or Johnson, I'm not sure. But left guard and left tackle Donovan Jackson. Donovan Jackson dealing with both dealing with ankle injuries. So not the most ideal situation. But even it's McCarthy. I mean, how do you trust this offense in general taking on that Seahawks defense on the road? In the case of both receivers, the matchups are brutal. Pittman taking on the number one team in terms of fewest fantasy points allowed in Houston. His last three against the Texans going back to last season, 9.4 PPR points or less. He got a little lucky last week with what he did against Kansas City because it wasn't. It was five catches for 27 yards, scored a touchdown. So he's been really good this season. He's probably one of the best values that we have all year at any position just based on how he's performed. But this is just not a good spot to trust him against his Texas defense, which as we saw last week, just completely annihilated the Bills offense. And I know Khalil Shakir did well, but I don't think this, the way that they play is going to necessarily benefit Pittman taking on the Texans and their cornerbacks. And in the case of Debo, Samuel obviously was fantastic last time we saw him against Miami and Madrid and does have a touchdown in his last two games, but his last two with Terry McLaurin on the field, he's been under five PPR points in both of those games. Pastor Surtan may play in this game, so you're looking at a defense that's getting healthier. Singleton may play as well, which is a great sign. Forget about fantasy. Just in, in real life, I just don't trust Debo in this spot because I don't know if he'll get the targets that he needs in a brutal, brutal matchup. So for me, Debo is, you know, not even a starter in three receiver leagues.

[Adam]

All right, so I'll let. Heath, you can chime in on this since we're going to talk about that game tomorrow or, sorry, Friday and you won't be on for that so you and Dave are higher on. On Debo. Jamie has him 30 or 40. Oh, sorry, let me get you exactly. Jamie has him 40th, you have him 24th. Dave has Debo Samuel 21st against Denver.

[Heath]

Yeah, I just think the way that they are manufacturing touches for him, occasionally handing it off into the backfield, but often throwing it to an area of the. Where defensive corners don't maybe matter quite so much. If you're catching the ball two yards behind the line of scrimmage, nobody's probably locking you up. I think that they're going to have to do stuff like that because they're probably not going to have success running the football and Marcus Mariota is not going to have success throwing the ball downfield. And Debo's just kind of found a way most weeks this season to be at least a top 30 guy and often a top 24 guy. He's not a must start by any stretch, but I don't think he's somebody you have to run away from.

[Adam]

I hope he's healthier. Coming off the buy, I think he seemed limited. What was it, a heel injury? He'd been really struggling since then and they're not using him downfield at all. He has two.

[Jamie]

Well, he was great against the Dolphins.

[Adam]

Yeah, but it was gimmicky stuff. I mean, he's. He had three screen passes in that game. In his last five games, he has five targets of 10 or more air yards, five targets with 10 or more areas in five games, only two catches. Everything is screens and short stuff for him. And it didn't really look like he was moving well. So I hope he's.

[Heath]

I think they're gonna need that stuff this week, though.

[Adam]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

But I mean, Denver just eliminates everything.

[Adam]

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[Jamie]

Yes.

[Heath]

I do not.

[Adam]

What do you have?

[Jamie]

Jamie right around 20.

[Adam]

Okay. Ken Walker was limited. Ashton Genti practice not on the injury report. He's good to go. Wide receiver Jamie mentioned Marvin Harrison Jr. Was limited. Mentioned that Terry McLaurin was limited. Rasheed Rice will play on Thursday. Check. Keep an eye on devonte Smith. He could be out on Friday against Chicago. If devonte Smith were out, would that change your Jalen Hertz, AJ Brown, Dallas Goddard rankings Heath I might lower.

[Heath]

Hurts a couple of spots, but he'd still be a top 10 quarterback. Devonte Smith or A.J. brown is already like 15th, so he might creep into the top 12. Goddard would be the big winner and he'd become startable again.

[Adam]

Drake London is doubtful. Okay. He's not gonna play. Matthew golden questionable. Jaden Reed is out. Brian Thomas Jr. Was limited. There was a report over the weekend that Brian Thomas Jr. Had a solid chance to play this week at Tennessee. Chris Olave left practice early with a back injury. Oh, we're gonna have to keep an eye on that one.

[Jamie]

What happened to our background?

[Adam]

Oh, it changed. What is this?

[Heath]

It's. We have multiple Thanksgiving. This is Thanksgiving.

[Adam]

This is Thanksgiving. This looks like Alice in Wonderland or something like that. I don't even know. This looks strange.

[Heath]

Maybe Thanksgiving in the Upside Down.

[Jamie]

There you go.

[Adam]

The Upside Down. Are you gonna watch tonight?

[Heath]

Is that tonight?

[Adam]

Yeah. Stranger things.

[Heath]

Probably won't the Lucas is not home and we watched all the rest with him. So we'll probably wait.

[Adam]

Elegant Manor was limited. Jalen Waddle was was limited. Dalton Kincaid. Dalton Kincaid missed practice. Noah Gray, Kansas City tight end. He's out. Brock Wright out for Detroit. Darren Waller was limited. And the big offensive line news, Trey Smith out for Kansas City. You've got maybe the Bills without both of their tackles. They're definitely gonna be without their right tackle. Spencer Brown, he's on ir. Left tackle Dion Dawkins is in concussion protocol. Chandler Zavala, guard for the Panthers, he missed practice. Left tackle Will Campbell for the Patriots, he's on ir. They're gonna be missing their left guard and left tackle for this game against the Giants. And oh my goodness, Frank Ragnow, Detroit center, he's coming out of retirement. He's not gonna play this week. He probably won't play next week. So maybe mid December for Frank Ragnow. And Jamie already mentioned two offensive linemen for the for the Vikings, left tackle and left guard. They miss practice. The man I feel like. Nope, everybody's probably tuned out by now. So I will say that Chicago injured at linebacker, getting healthier at cornerback. Not great developments with that and Devonte Smith for the Eagles passing game. But what are you gonna do? You're not gonna sit. You're not gonna sit. Jayla hurts. All right. Oh, Kyle Hamilton, practice in full. He's good to go. We'll take a break. One question for each game when we come back.

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[Adam]

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[Heath]

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[Adam]

Financial services.

[Heath]

Insurance.

[Jamie]

Financial services.

[Heath]

Now, when I say nationwide, you say is both. Nationwide. Nationwide is both for your insurance and financial needs.

[Adam]

Nationwide is on your side. Nationwide Investment Services Corporation Ember Finra. Columbus, Ohio. All right. Giants are at the Patriots. I think I already know the answer, but we've got a slumping Drake May and a Jackson Dart coming back from the concussion. Do you trust the quarterbacks in this game, Jamie?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Heath]

Heath, both top 12. May more trust than dart.

[Adam]

Are you gonna move May down? He's two for you.

[Heath]

Probably not.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

Ride or die.

[Heath]

You know, he's my guy. Has been all year.

[Adam]

All year, man. Buffalo at Pittsburgh. Heath, how do you approach the Pittsburgh running backs here? Great matchup. The splits. I didn't notice this until earlier today, but it was really. Warren played more than Gainwell for the first three quarters they started. They were trailing by 10 early in the fourth quarter and then it was so much gain. Well, obviously they could be trailing in this game, but what do you think about the two guys this week?

[Heath]

I think Warren is a low end RB2 and Gainwell is a mid to high end flex. And I wouldn't be surprised if some of the passing game work goes to Warren now that he's got a week under his belt.

[Jamie]

I have one league where my top running backs are the Steelers guys. And the Bears guys. I'm playing both Steelers guys.

[Adam]

Both Steelers guys over the Bears guys. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, next game, Vegas at the Chargers. Jamie, you're going to start a Chargers running back, be it Hampton or Vidal.

[Jamie]

Low in number two running back, so in a similar range of Bucky Irving. Like, once you get to, like, running back 18 or 19 this week, it gets a little dicey with everybody after that. So I. I think in the case of Vidal, if he's by himself, you can still use him as a number two running back. And hopefully this is his every other week. Even though last week was a bye week, he didn't play coming off of a bad week. So we'll see which trend holds. It's a weak thing or a game thing, but I could see him with a modest yardage total and finding the end zone because I expect the Chargers to have the ball quite a bit.

[Heath]

I'm sorry, but this is just fantastic. Thomas, from the FFT account. Throwing shade at JJ McCarthy in the chat is always. It's really one of my favorite things.

[Adam]

Would you rather start a Chargers running back or a Steelers running back?

[Heath]

Jalen Warren.

[Jamie]

Warren Vidal. Gainwell.

[Adam]

What if it's Hampton?

[Jamie]

Warren Hampton. Gainwell.

[Adam]

Okay. Because Hampton says he's hopeful to play. Houston is at Indianapolis. Why are you so confident in Nico Collins? I think you guys have him in the top 15. Well, he's so confident he's going to get sauced.

[Heath]

He's one of the best wide receivers in the NFL.

[Adam]

Yeah, I agree.

[Jamie]

If he gets targets against Gardner, he'll be fine.

[Adam]

He hasn't been good this. He hasn't been that good this year, except in really, really good matchups. This ain't it.

[Heath]

I mean, he's wide receiver. 13 on the season.

[Adam]

Per game.

[Heath]

Per game.

[Adam]

Yeah, but not in tough matchups.

[Heath]

Okay.

[Adam]

But not in tough matchups.

[Jamie]

All right. I mean, I. I guess. Can you name two receivers and you can't use Michael Wilson now. You can name two receivers that you may have drafted later, picked up off waivers that you'd be starting over.

[Adam]

Well, no, I have. I have a lot of Nico. I never sit them right. However, If Marvin Harrison Jr. Were out, I would start Michael Wilson over him.

[Jamie]

I'm with you on that. Yep.

[Heath]

Yep.

[Adam]

If Marvin Harrison Jr. Were in, I think I'd start Marvin Harrison. I would start Marvin Harrison Jr. Over him.

[Jamie]

I'm with you.

[Adam]

I would. I would not start Wanda Robinson over him. I would not start Michael Pittman over him. I would really think about Troy Franklin. Really Think about Troy Franklin over him.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Adam]

Let me tell you, Troy Franklin's had eight or more targets in five straight games. Eight wide receivers have had eight or more targets against the Commanders and six of them have scored 16.8 or more PPR fantasy points. So great matchup for him. Okay, Jacksonville at Tennessee. Is Travis ETN Heath the only confident start in this game?

[Heath]

For me, yes, I think for Dave and Jamie Strange is in that range also as a confident start. I think he's more of in that low end, tight end, one blob. But yeah, I would say yes.

[Adam]

Okay, San Francisco at Cleveland. Jamie starter sit Quinshawn Judkins in that.

[Jamie]

20 ish plus range of running backs where I'm hopeful they continue to run some wildcat with him to manufacture just opportunities. Not that he changes if he's getting carries or not, but they're giving him, you know, different ways to touch the football. But this is not a slam dunk situation because of Shador Sanders. And look, the. I think a lot of what happened last week for Rico Doddle was Dave Canalis and. And the offense there. I don't think this is a tough matchup. So low end number two running back.

[Adam]

All right folks, listen, vote, vote, vote, vote. Voting is open. Go to the64.com right on the homepage there. You're going to see the contest, the America's best sports talk radio slash podcast. We are into the round of 16.

[Jamie]

You got to promise something big bud.

[Adam]

Big matchup if we win out. Whatever. I will do it.

[Heath]

Yeah, you already shot down the thing that we said.

[Adam]

Well, they were. I don't remember what they were. Oh, take my shirt off about doing that.

[Jamie]

No.

[Heath]

Straight through the neighborhood for 64 seconds.

[Adam]

I don't know what I'll do. I mean I'll do something fun. We'll have fun with it. But yeah, just. It's so easy to vote. You get a. You get a text message to your phone to verify that it's.

[Heath]

You go to. Go to a brewery and taste 64 beers.

[Adam]

Oh, geez. I'll be out for the next three days.

[Jamie]

You have to eat 64 slices of pizza in a week. I.

[Adam]

Okay, that's nine a day.

[Jamie]

You say you eat a lot of pizza.

[Adam]

I feel like I could do it because that's. Oh my gosh.

[Heath]

64 push ups would probably take longer.

[Adam]

64 pushups would be tough. I can't in good. In good health. I cannot do the pizza thing. Why? Why?

[Heath]

Geez.

[Adam]

I got some real quick questions for you here. Don't even think about it. Just go. Pumpkin pie or pecan pie?

[Heath]

Pumpkin.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

Turkey or ham?

[Jamie]

Turkey.

[Adam]

Turkey, pie. Alamode or no? Lamode.

[Jamie]

Yes. Yeah.

[Adam]

Ice cream? Yeah. Okay. Sweet potatoes or mashed potatoes?

[Jamie]

Mashed.

[Heath]

Mashed potato. Come on.

[Adam]

Stuffing or gravy? You can only choose one.

[Jamie]

Stuffing.

[Heath]

Do I have something to put the gravy on, or we just drink?

[Adam]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For your meal.

[Heath]

I'll take the gravy then.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

Heath, you only got one right. It was the ice cream one. Everything else you got wrong. Listen, we're gonna have a little fun tonight. It's FFT after dark. Let's pull up this tweet. Schaefer, you got the tweet. Here we go. Heath's perfect Thanksgiving meal. I won't read. I'll let you read it. Give me your perfect Thanksgiving meal.

[Heath]

So you get a large plate with one third of it having smoked turkey, one third of it, mashed potatoes, one third of its stuffing, and just cover it all with gravy. A little bowl on the side with homemade cranberry sauce. And if you get done and you want some more, then just repeat that. And then when you're done, you have one piece of pumpkin pie, one piece of pecan pie.

[Adam]

If I could critique. I don't think you got enough side dishes in there. You only have.

[Heath]

No, this is not. I was having this talk with my son earlier tonight because he was talking about all the different things that people bring. This is not, in my opinion, a day for superfluous sites. This is a day for turkey and mashed potatoes and gravy and pumpkin pie and pecan pie and anything that makes those things better.

[Adam]

I mean, it just feels like you could do that any day. Like, Thanksgiving is about.

[Heath]

No, I don't. I don't eat. I don't eat turkey all year long, man.

[Adam]

You got. You go to Boston Market, and you're like, just give me turkey and potatoes. That's the whole fun is picking out all the sides, the Mac and cheese.

[Heath]

No, I don't.

[Jamie]

I don't.

[Heath]

First off, I've never been to Boston Market. And second off, I have never gone to a restaurant and said, just give me turkey and mashed potatoes, because I don't go to a restaurant on Thanksgiving.

[Adam]

Well, every day. This is Thanksgiving. Every day is Thanksgiving at Boston Market. Jamie, what's your perfect Thanksgiving meal?

[Jamie]

Heath has a lot of it. I. I would. I would throw a vegetable in there just to, you know, be a little healthy.

[Adam]

Yeah, I don't. I don't want to talk.

[Heath]

I don't want to think about being healthy or eating something to make somebody else feel good.

[Jamie]

I just like broccoli, though, so I throw broccoli. Okay.

[Heath]

There's some broccoli. That's fine if you like it.

[Adam]

All right, I'm gonna get. Perfect for me would be ham, mashed potatoes, stuffing, corn souffle, green bean casserole, cornbread, and for dessert, ice cream. And we got these. I know. Jamie, you're into these. The brown butter cookies from whole Foods.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam]

Oh, they're amazing. They're so good. So I'm fired up. We also have pies and stuff, but I'm not gonna eat.

[Jamie]

But that's not a Thanksgiving thing, though.

[Adam]

No, that's for me, because I don't eat the pies. We have pumpkin pie and, like, a blueberry pie or something.

[Heath]

This is exactly what the pilgrims age. I'm just trying to replicate the meal.

[Adam]

Heath is a Thanksgiving purist. All right, well, I hope everybody has an amazing Thanksgiving and all the good food that. That you can handle. With that said.

[Heath]

Private chat.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Schaefer alerting me that Boston Market is basically defunct now. There are hardly any. And I knew that because there's an empty one like a couple miles away from me that I pass all the time. I'm like, oh, Boston bar used to be good, right? It's great. Was. It was a great. I got nothing to eat, but I don't want to get, like, fast food. Just pop in there, get a. Get a nice Thanksgiving dinner. Giants are at the Patriots. I already gave my stat of the game. It's about Drake May and how he's on pace for 4,700 yards in his last four games, but just too many interceptions and not enough rushing yards. But anyway, you guys trust the quarterbacks. Which one do you like better? I know Heath likes May better. How about you, Jamie?

[Jamie]

I do like May better. Yes.

[Adam]

All right. Okay, so Travion Henderson is pretty close to a must start for you guys. Giants, as he said, they're almost historically bad against running backs. I think I said yesterday they're allowing a yard more per carry to running backs than any other team. Diggs, Heath, do you have any hesitation with Stefan Diggs? Jamie is. Is very excited about him.

[Heath]

Yeah, I. I hope he gives us another good week. He. He feels to me more like. And he doesn't run the same type of routes necessarily or play the same way, but these boom bus number three wide receivers and his is not because he might just have a Cardio day. It's because he might just run half of the routes and you don't really know when that's going to happen. This seems like if you've got a 31 year old wide receiver that sometimes you're playing all the time and sometimes you're playing half the time against the Giants might be one of the times that you play them half the time.

[Adam]

Okay, listen buddy, I know you guys.

[Heath]

Play a lot of close.

[Adam]

We do. This is.

[Heath]

But nobody ever actually thinks you're going to beat them. They just know you're going to make it entertaining until you throw it at the end.

[Adam]

But seriously, no one runs away from the Giants. They're, they're in every single game. I'm actually shocked by this spread. I, I, there's seven and a half point point underdogs they are covering. Guarantee it.

[Jamie]

You have them winning.

[Adam]

I do have the winning. I picked this up set. Absolutely. And I feel it. I feel it.

[Heath]

How many times this year have you picked the Giants to win? Not, no, at least three different times. I've showed up to a stream and you had a score prediction on YouTube. This was predicting an upside.

[Adam]

Those were for fun. This is what is real. They are going to win this game. But. All right, so you have Diggs, 25th around there.

[Heath]

Yeah. Not I, I'm not sitting him. I just, I'm uncomfortable because I don't understand how to project his role on a week to week basis. It's not consistent.

[Adam]

This 53.8 route participation rate was way lower than what we had been seeing the last three weeks have been. 73, 78, 89. And then he ran 54 of the routes.

[Jamie]

I mean it was a Hunter Henry game. Like they went completely. What do you have? 10 catches, 10 targets, 7 catches. I mean it was, it was a monster game for Henry. I think just in the case of what this matchup is, they've allowed 15 wide receivers to score at least 14 PBR points this season and one in every game. So who could it be? I mean it could easily be case on booty. It could be Matt Collins, it could be demaro Douglas. We've seen these guys all pop at some point this season. Diggs to me just feels like the safest one to get to that number.

[Adam]

Okay. Trying to look at the Patriots here and if they ran more, fewer three wide receiver sets about, about normal for them.

[Heath]

Also, I, I'm pretty sure the Giants average margin of defeat is 10 points. So it's like, it's not like they're losing On a lot of last second field. No, they've had some, they've had some fun competitive games, but they've lost a bunch of games by two scores.

[Adam]

When in the Jackson Dart era.

[Heath]

Well, their last two games were seven point losses. They had a four in there, a 10 and 18 against the Eagles. 12 against 12 against the Saints.

[Adam]

Yeah, that was, that was five terms. I, I think they've blown four fourth quarter leads of 10 or more points.

[Heath]

I think just maybe a couple of those games they also lost by 10 points.

[Adam]

Okay, well anyway, dig digs or wandale Jamie.

[Jamie]

I would go dicks.

[Adam]

All right. Any other wide receivers in this game?

[Jamie]

I mean you could take a dart throw on Booty and hope that he comes. That's funny. I didn't think about it. Hopefully he comes through. But I think in the, in the case of the Giants like Darius Slayton was a huge disappointment last week. Hopefully he plays better this week. I'm not starting Isaiah Hodgins and so for me it would be the third best. The third best pass catcher that I trust would be Theo Johnson.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Darius Slayton was kind of splitting with Isaiah Hodgins on two receiver sets. Whereas usually it was just him and Wondale. Hodgins took some snaps away from him. We like Henderson. Do we like Tyrone Tracy? Do we like single Terry or Ramondre Heath? Give me your thoughts on the running backs in this game other than Travion Trey.

[Heath]

Tracy is right at the border of that RB2 discussion for me. I liked the route participation last week. So hopefully, I mean the thing we don't know, I think is have they got Jackson Dart a little more willing to just dump it off to a running back as opposed to try to run through 17 guys. And hopefully so for everybody involved, I would. Singletary and Tracy I think are two guys you are really hoping that you do not have to start or in Ramandre. I mean but I would go Ramandre or Singletary.

[Jamie]

I think just in the case of Tracy, there's two things to keep an eye on here. One, his two big games have come with Mike Kafka calling place. So. Or is the head intermix.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

So that's the hopeful positive. It's also coincided without Jackson Dart being there. That's the potential negative. You've talked about this quite a bit. So losing Milton Williams for the Patriots. We'll see how that matters now Tonga, right?

[Adam]

Yeah. If I can I can just read something for you from the Patriots website. He wrote definitely. Or defensively the impact of not Having Williams and Kyrus tonga, who played 12 snaps before exiting the game, really showed up. Up on. Really showed up both on film and statistically from the eye test. The defense lacked impactful plays from the front seven that jump off the film. So, yes, they. They are down 2 very important. Well, I don't know about Tonga. I don't know if he's gonna play.

[Jamie]

Tonga was limited today, so that's something human. It's a chest injury that he's dealing with. Williams is on ir. The other part of this which I think matters for Tracy and, and he's talked about this with the rap participation that they are number two in most receptions allowed to running backs. So if Tracy continues to do that with Dart, then there's a big opportunity here. He's got seven targets in his last two games. He's got six catches over that span. Like, that's huge for him, you know. So continue to involve him in the passing game on top of what he's doing as a rusher. So I, I think he's a low end, number two running back of flex. I could certainly see both sides of the equation. If you want to say, bench him because what he did with Dart prior to that was miserable.

[Adam]

Yeah, Tracy, I think, you know, he had, he said, seven catches for what, like 119 yards or something like that in the last two games. Okay. Would you start Tracy or Judkins in full ppr?

[Heath]

Tracy.

[Adam]

Half ppr.

[Jamie]

Tracy.

[Heath]

Yep.

[Adam]

Non ppr.

[Heath]

Yep. Tracy.

[Adam]

Interesting.

[Jamie]

On.

[Adam]

All right. And Heath, do you like Theo or Hunter Henry better?

[Heath]

Neither one is in my top 12. Both are in consideration if you need them because they're not that far from nine in the projections. I would lean slightly towards Henry.

[Adam]

Jamie, real quick. Heath has Drake May 2. You have him seventh. Any hesitation at all with me?

[Jamie]

I mean, you're starting him. It's, you know, again, the guys that I have ranked ahead of him, the probably one that you would question would be Lamar Jackson at this point. But both good matchups. I, I just, I'm hopeful more so than anything that Lamar Jackson prime time takes advantage of that game against the Bengals. So have him slightly hood.

[Adam]

Okay. And a couple questions from the chat. Theo Johnson or Taysom Hill? Theo Theo Wandale Robinson or Ken Walker iii?

[Heath]

Wanda Wando.

[Adam]

Would you not go, by the way, would you not go taste some hill over Theo?

[Heath]

And non ppr he's been so bad.

[Jamie]

I mean, Taysom has scored one touchdown this season, so.

[Adam]

Right.

[Heath]

And every carry is worth like a yard and a half.

[Adam]

Okay. Fair Enough Patriots dst.

[Jamie]

And just in the case of Theo, the Patriots have been batting against tight ends for the majority of the season and he's been good with Jackson dart. He was good last week too. Career high 77 yards receiving. So I think Theo Johnson's in play as a lone star.

[Adam]

You also like the Patriots defense and Heath does not. And I make sense because Giants gonna win. Buffalo is at Pittsburgh. Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna keep giving this stat and it's that Pittsburgh sees the most pass attempts per game in the NFL and now 10 straight quarterbacks have thrown 33 or more passes against them and they gave up the most fantasy points to wide receivers. So Khalil, Shakir or Wanda or Diggs. Let's, you know, let's compare Heath, who do you like best of them?

[Heath]

I'd go Wandale, Shakir and Diggs.

[Adam]

All right. It's going to be hard to get away from Shakir.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I have all three in the top 20. I do have digs first, but I have all three in top 20. Okay.

[Adam]

I asked you guys about the Steelers running backs. What's so funny?

[Heath]

I'm just thinking about like draft season and showing us a clip of Jamie saying that he has Wondale Robinson, Cleo Shakir and Stefan Diggs all in the top 20 when there's no teams on a buy.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Adam]

Jalen Warren is 18th through 20th for you guys and yeah, again, if they can just not be trailing in the fourth quarter, then it'll be better for. For him and gain Wells a decent flex start Allen start Cook start Shakir.

[Jamie]

But you say that though they were back and forth with the Bears last week and he had season high 18 carries.

[Adam]

Who did?

[Jamie]

Warren.

[Adam]

Yeah, but he, he didn't play much in the fourth quarter. He did have the carry. He didn't have any catches. But you're right, he did have the carries. But he played fewer snaps than Gainwell. It was mostly in the fourth quarter once they went down by 10.

[Jamie]

And for Gainwell, if you take away the crazy tush push play, he still had 13.7 PPR points.

[Adam]

He had a lot of catch. You know what else? He had a lot of catches in a brief stint two weeks ago with Mason Rudolph. So I don't know if that's a Rudolph thing, if he's just like throwing a gain well or the running backs or whatnot but.

[Jamie]

Well, the two weeks ago is when Warren got hurt.

[Adam]

You're right. But it was not a lot. But it was a lot of pastimes to the running back, I guess from Mason Rudolph. All right. Dawson Knox.

[Jamie]

No.

[Adam]

And then over to Pittsburgh. What do we think about DK Metcalf?

[Heath]

Starter set number three wide receiver.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I don't know how you can start him in two receiver leagues. I know he had the. It's so stupid to say it was a rushing touchdown, but it was a rushing touchdown. So he hasn't caught a touchdown. Now I believe it's four straight games. He's been 50 yards or less than four straight games. Like it's just not going well for him. And you have either Mason Rudolph again or an injured Aaron Rodgers. Like I think you just treat him as number three receiver and hope for the best.

[Adam]

Okay, so talk to me about the streamers this week. The Yoshavas DK Etc Group versus DK Metcalf.

[Heath]

He's ahead of them.

[Jamie]

I would start Yoshivas ahead of Metcalf. If there is no Marvin Harrison, I'll start Greg Dorch ahead of Metcalf. I would start Parker Washington head of Metcalf. I know he's not a streamer, but still a guy in the waiver wire. Waiver wire range.

[Adam]

Okay, I got some good questions in the chat. We're not going to start a tight end for the Steelers. They're unreliable and this is the worst matchup. Can I just ask though? I know this is crazy. I'm going to ask it anyway. You got maybe both tackles out. Any. Any hesitation to start Josh Allen?

[Jamie]

Do you know how many sacks the Steelers have in the last two games?

[Adam]

No.

[Jamie]

What would you guess it would be? Keep in mind that they that they had a strip stack in the end zone against Caleb Williams.

[Adam]

3.

[Jamie]

The.

[Heath]

The Colts game is not in their last three games or David by or not.

[Jamie]

Their last two games were against Cincinnati and Chicago.

[Heath]

Okay. 4.

[Jamie]

3. You're both too high. Two.

[Adam]

Sacks can be kind of an up and down stat, but fair enough.

[Jamie]

Well, I mean Josh Allen was just sacked eight times so they may get to him quite a bit. But I'm going to guess the Bills do a better job of protecting Allen this week and I like the situation for him. Pissed off coming off a loss.

[Adam]

Okay. Jalen Warren or Javante Williams?

[Jamie]

Jalen for me.

[Adam]

Khalil Shakir or Zay Flowers?

[Jamie]

Shakira.

[Heath]

I think I have Shakira a little bit higher. Yeah.

[Adam]

Jalen Warren or Cortland Sutton?

[Jamie]

Warren.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Play Kareem Hunt on Thursday or pick Gainwell or Charbonnet Hunt.

[Jamie]

I would play Hunt but it's close.

[Adam]

With Gainwell for Thanksgiving. Pigs in a blanket or a charcuterie platter?

[Jamie]

Pigs in a blanket.

[Heath]

You know, I. I really messed up on my tweet because I should have put deviled eggs for an appetizer.

[Jamie]

Hmm.

[Adam]

We're doing charcuterie. For what it's worth, I don't really think pigs in a blanket are a Thanksgiving treat.

[Jamie]

But you think charcuterie is from Whole Foods. You have no say in this conversation.

[Heath]

Yeah, we're having a charcuterie board and whole food cookies, and I think that your thing is too untraditional.

[Adam]

Well, you know, fine. You're right. All right, let's take a. Oh, you like the Bill's dst?

[Heath]

No, not. I. I lowered them. I had them too high earlier. I don't think the Steelers offense is any good, but it's not in a way that gives up fantasy points.

[Jamie]

Usually. I. I think we're getting 35 to 40 touches for their running backs. Like, it's going to be a lot of Warren and Gainwell.

[Adam]

Johnny Airport Adam calls lunchables the shark report.

[Jamie]

Oh, that Thomas is funny.

[Adam]

Actual Thomas wishes he was as funny as Johnny Abra. We all do.

[Jamie]

We all do.

[Adam]

All right, Las Vegas is at the Chargers. When we come back, we'll be right back on fantasy football today. Big deal.

[Jamie]

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[Adam]

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[Heath]

Getting ready for Thanksgiving?

[Adam]

Yeah. Pumping iron, some of you are. We come back for break sometimes.

[Jamie]

And the audio airport again.

[Adam]

The audio audience is like, what are you guys talking about? We were Just sort of promo of Dave lifting weights. Dave's tucked in shirt always kills me. He's bench pressing with a tucked in shirt. All right, Las Vegas is at the Chargers. Heath, go ahead. Break. Break it down for me.

[Heath]

Start Ashton Genti. Start brock Bowers. Start Lad McConkey. Start Justin Herbert and then we can have some discussions about the rest.

[Adam]

Oh, we're gonna have discussion right now about Justin Herbert. How can I trust Justin Herbert on this broken offense?

[Heath]

I mean, I think Shador Sanders just scored like 16 fantasy points against this defense.

[Adam]

I don't think he did. He scored 12.3. Okay, close enough on 20 pass attempts and he came a yard away from a touchdown. But dude, the Jaguars two weeks ago, that was the layup of layups and they were horrible. I finally went back and watched. I mean, it's so obvious. Their line stinks. And again, his. His eight. His eight odds been four and a half yards or lower. Two straight games, this offense has been broken. If Dave were here, he'd be agreeing with me. By the way.

[Heath]

But where does Dave have Herbert?

[Adam]

When I did the notes, he had him 15th. He has him 11th now. So you guys have him eighth and he has him 11th.

[Jamie]

Yeah, he really agrees with you.

[Adam]

Well, he did.

[Jamie]

No, I think 11 stadiums are in buildings too.

[Adam]

I think the 11 sounds right. Like you have him. Jamie, you have him ahead of Brissette, Dart Burrow. Heath, you have him ahead of Nick. Start Brissette and Burrow. I would start those guys over him, but I wouldn't start anyone I didn't feel great about. I would, I wouldn't start Caleb or Goff over him. I get that. But anyone I think has upside. I would start over Herbert because I'm nervous about. I think rightfully so, I'm nervous about him.

[Jamie]

I mean, I get it. The Jaguars game was. Was miserable. They're back home, they're playing a team that's clearly in disarray. And yes, Max Crosby can really cause problems for this offensive line. I get it. But you gotta hope that they find some way to protect Herbert a little bit more. Maybe the threat of a Marian Hampton being back and a better run game helps things out a little bit. But I just look at the matchup like, yes, they. He should have done well against Jacksonville. That was a. And this was something that I lamented throughout the entirety of that game was one o' clock start east coast trip right before a bye week. You know, this is. They're rested, they're ready to go again. They're not going to get their tackles back. So that doesn't solve the problem, but it should be a little bit easier against this defense. And I'm just going to trust Herbert. So I think if, if, if the tackles were there and he was being protected, you could be. You can make a case for top three for him this week. Like there's that much upset.

[Adam]

Yeah, right. It's just he's, he's. His time to throw the, the amount of times where he gets rid of the ball quickly is directly correlated to the games where Joe Walt has been out. And obviously that's going to affect. Usually going to affect Quentin Johnston who earlier on Wednesday we called a boomer bust. Number three receiver.

[Jamie]

I think that his last two games against the Raiders 21 targets over 200 yards receiving and two touchdowns.

[Adam]

I mean, do you guys have any Quentin Johnson? You know I do.

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No.

[Heath]

Every league I was in, you drafted him.

[Jamie]

I mean, I have him in I think three leagues.

[Adam]

Yeah, I'm starting Christian Watson over him. As of now I'm still. Well, I have Greg Dorchin over him, but I can't do that. I can't start Josh Downs over him. So I'll probably have to start him in this one stupid league where my team sucks. That's a 14 team league.

[Jamie]

It wouldn't surprise me if he has a good game again. You know, this is if, if you think Herbert's going to have some time, I think he's going to have some chances to make plays.

[Adam]

Okay. That's Quentin Johnson we're talking about. Any interest in Keenan Allen?

[Jamie]

Not really.

[Heath]

He's basically in the same range as me. For me, I don't have any idea which one of those two will be good.

[Adam]

Who's the second best receiver in this game?

[Jamie]

Quinn Johnson. I can't with Geno Smith against this defense.

[Heath]

Yeah, I've got Trey Tucker right in the same range as both of those guys. I think I actually have in full PBR Keenan Allen the highest right now.

[Adam]

Oh, gee, Jamie. I wonder why you can't trust him. Let's take a look at some pictures. I brought some screenshots to the party. This is the first or second pass attempt of the game. Trey Tucker, you see him at the 32 yard line. He is so open. Geno Smith has a clean pocket. This was an incomplete pass. This was 12:51 left in the first quarter. First and 10. It's like you knew it was going to be a long day after this Tucker. That should have been a huge 30 yard gain. How about this one? This one's tough. I mean, he gets walloped as he hit him. But here's Tucker with a step on a defender, deep ball, not even close. And then this one. Look at how open Trey Tucker is. Trey Tucker is at the three yard line. He's so open. Again, there was pressure on Geno Smith, but this ball was nearly intercepted. He did not lead him so this bad.

[Heath]

That's encouraging, right?

[Adam]

Yes, that's the thing. It is he. He's got the ability to make these big plays and he got open several times deep.

[Jamie]

But he got 10 targets.

[Adam]

He did get 10 targets. Just didn't work out. He's.

[Heath]

He's on the Jameson Williams Spectrum.

[Adam]

Well, it's, you know, he's one of those guys. I feel like we're going to get some questions about should I start Shimray, dk, John Mechi, Andre Yoshavas over Trey Tucker? You never know with Tucker.

[Heath]

Yeah, I would start Tucker over those guys.

[Adam]

All right. Jamie's a little higher on the streamers.

[Jamie]

I guess their matchups are better.

[Adam]

Oh, yeah, that's the other. The Chargers are really good against wide receivers. Really good against receivers. All right, Genti, we've discussed. Let's go back to Hampton and Vidal. How did you rank them again if they all play? If Hampton. If Hampton give me the running back rankings in this game with and without Hampton.

[Jamie]

In this game.

[Adam]

Yeah. So, like, would you start Hampton over Genti? Would you start?

[Jamie]

No, no, no, no, no. I. I think you got to treat Hampton as potentially a better version of Bucky Irving, you know? So unless we hear there's going to be workload concerns, I.

[Heath]

For me, Genti is really the only running back that I want to start unless whether Hampton plays or not.

[Adam]

Okay. Just tough matchup. Good run defense here. Videl's been a little unreliable. Okay. How about Gainwell or Chargers guy? I think I asked you that earlier. I'm sorry.

[Jamie]

But again, I would start Chargers guy over Gainwell.

[Heath]

I would in non and a half PPR and full ppr.

[Adam]

I'd go gamel okay, someone's asking Hampton or Rico Dowdle. You guys are going to go. Rico, would you start Kamani Vidal over Ken Walker if Hampton were out?

[Heath]

No, no.

[Adam]

Last thing is the tight ends in this game. Brock Bowers, we're going to start. What about Orande Gadsden, Jamie, how do you feel about him?

[Jamie]

He's a low end starter. The Raiders have actually been good against tight ends. I think a lot of that has to do with matchups and hopefully Gaston Gets back to where he was prior to two games ago. One of those games, he left early with the quad injury. Then last. The last game was everybody sucked against the Jaguars. So I. I still think you treat him as a top 10 guy. Now, for me, I would start Brenton Strange over him. I would start Dalton Schultz over him. I would start Juwan Johnson over him. But that's basically the order. I have it. I think I have it. Johnson, Schultz, Strange, Gadsden.

[Adam]

Someone's asking if Vidal's not hurt, is he?

[Jamie]

Vidal was banged up going into their bye week. I don't know what the practice reports are, though. I've not seen that for the Chargers yet today.

[Adam]

Okay, I'll try to check on that. I think he's. I think he's gonna play based on the report I read about Omari and Hampton. I think by Dell's good. He's not on the injury report, so he's good. All right, Chat questions here. Heath is higher on Gadsden, by the way. And Gadsden or Pittsburgh?

[Jamie]

Gadston.

[Heath]

Gadston.

[Adam]

Videl or Kareem Hunt?

[Heath]

Hunt.

[Jamie]

Vidal. Assuming Hamptons.

[Heath]

You're not going to know that tomorrow, though.

[Adam]

True, right? That's true. Mark Andrews or Gadsden Gaston?

[Heath]

Yes.

[Adam]

Gadsden or Dalton Concate, if he plays.

[Jamie]

Or pick up Kincaid. Did not practice on Wednesday, though.

[Heath]

Gadstone.

[Adam]

Okay, last one. Gadsden Strange or Tyler Warren? Last one. Lad McConkey, Cortland, Sutton, AJ Brown. Rank them.

[Jamie]

With Devonte Smith in, It would be lad, A.J. sutton. With Devonte Smith out, it would be A.J. ladson.

[Heath]

I'll go A.J. lad Sutton. Either way.

[Adam]

Pumpkin pie or apple pie?

[Jamie]

Pumpkin.

[Heath]

Definitely pumpkin tomorrow.

[Jamie]

Oh, okay.

[Adam]

Apple pie, obviously. So that's it for that game. Let's go to Houston at Indianapolis.

[Jamie]

Oh, Chargers eating Whole Foods cookies on Thanksgiving instead of, quote the pies.

[Heath]

You're not having a pie?

[Adam]

No, we have. We have two pies, but I'm not eating them.

[Jamie]

Why not?

[Adam]

Because they're. Because I don't like them. One of them is pumpkin pie, which is.

[Jamie]

Well, that we understand. What's the other one?

[Adam]

I think it's blueberry. We were a little confused by it. It's from a restaurant.

[Heath]

So you got pies for the meal with the family and just went and bought cookies for yourself because you didn't like the pies?

[Adam]

Incorrect, Heath. My wife bought them for me. Oh, that was nice.

[Jamie]

No, I didn't ask, what will your children eat? Because those cookies are very tempting. Or they have both.

[Adam]

Everything. They will Eat everything. They love dessert, no question. What will your kids eat?

[Jamie]

They will eat pumpkin pie and apple pie.

[Heath]

He's like literally everything. He will. He will probably have three plates. He's. He's a disposal right now.

[Adam]

All right. Houston at Indianapolis. An updated stat of the game gave this one out last week. It had worked, I guess. The Colts have allowed 16.9 or more PPR fantasy points to a running back in four straight games. They're just giving up touchdowns. They don't have a bad run defense, per se.

[Jamie]

But the last two weeks have been bad, though. And that's coinciding with the Forest Buckner being up.

[Adam]

I mean, it's not like Kareem Hunt was running all over him, but he had 30 carries.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but you look at the combination of Algeria and Bijan in the previous game. The first one without Buckner was bad.

[Adam]

Yeah. And, you know, and Woody Marks the last two games has what, two catches, one catch, whatever.

[Jamie]

One catch each of the last three he has faced.

[Adam]

The Titans and the Bills. They are among the very best against pass catching running backs.

[Jamie]

We.

[Adam]

We do need that. We need maybe three catches from Marks to feel comfortable. But, you know, we've talked about a lot of running backs today. Jamie, how do you feel about Woody Marks?

[Jamie]

I. Right. Right now I have marks in the same range of Bucky Irving and Kamani Vidal and Quinshawn Judkins and those guys. Just a lot of questions, but it's a. It's a great situation for him because of what this run defense has sort of morphed into without Buckner. There's Heath.

[Heath]

He's a high inflex for me. I've got him right behind Quin. Sean Judkins, I have him ahead of Videl and DeAndre Swift. I. I would like to rank him higher. It's just like it's been three weeks of him playing starter snaps and producing single digit fancy points.

[Jamie]

Two.

[Adam]

It was.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Two weeks in a row. Okay. 18 carries at Tennessee. 16.

[Heath]

Well, he did have a touchdown in the other game, but.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Adam]

Right. He had 14 carries for 63 yards and a touchdown against Jacksonville. So look, you're getting 14 to 18 carries, three straight games. That's a good start. Hopefully he can find the end zone. You guys are starting Nico Collins. How about Jaden Higgins? Who have we talked about? Jaden Higgins or. We just. What game did we just do? Trey Tucker.

[Jamie]

I would take chance on Higgins.

[Adam]

Okay. Quentin Johnston or Jaden Higgins?

[Jamie]

Johnson.

[Heath]

Johnson.

[Adam]

Dalton Schultz. You guys have him eighth or ninth at least. You Did. Last I checked.

[Jamie]

You gotta throw out the Bills game prior to that. He was awesome.

[Adam]

Yeah, you have my head. Heath has him ahead of Strange. Jamie has them back to back. Strange. One spot ahead. Yeah. Schultz is a good option. And the Colts allow the fifth most fantasy points to tight ends. So it's good matchup.

[Jamie]

Sit.

[Adam]

Daniel Jones.

[Jamie]

Sit.

[Adam]

C.J. stroud. Jonathan Taylor. I know you're going to start him, but what are your expectations, Heath?

[Heath]

I expect to have 100 yards and a touchdown.

[Jamie]

Jamie, I'm hopeful he has 100 yards in a touchdown. He's getting to the point where one of these guys of just. Can you continue to rank him in the spot that he's being ranked?

[Adam]

Man, it's a tough, tough matchup. This defense is so good.

[Jamie]

And he. Listen, you're obviously starting him, so what I'm about to say, throw it out the window. But he hasn't been great in these matchups.

[Adam]

So I've got it. With five tough matchups this year, Denver, Rams, Raiders, Steelers, Chiefs. He has scored. He's had two terrible games, two amazing games and one game with 14.6 fantasy points. It's not exactly the Jonathan Taylor that we've seen, but, you know, anywhere from 7.7 to 31.6 PPR fantasy points. Throw him the ball. All right, Jamie, your thoughts on the wide receivers? I think earlier you said you didn't like Pittman. I guess that means you don't like Pierce or Downs.

[Jamie]

It's just too tough to trust. One of these guys will probably do something significant. Last week, Pittman scores a touchdown. He has five catches for 27 yards. Pearson downs doing next to nothing. I think this is a game where you have to lean on Tyler Warren and hopefully throw the ball to Jonathan Taylor. I just don't expect much in the past game. The Texans are just too good.

[Adam]

Yeah, I mean, it's just. It's brutal. We're going to start Tyler Warren, of.

[Heath]

Course, be really interesting in the. In the south if the Texans win this game.

[Adam]

Yeah, it's.

[Jamie]

It's going to come down to the last week and for the Colts, if they lose this game, I believe they go to Jacksonville next. They never win in Jacksonville.

[Adam]

Who, the Colts?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

That's going to be a big game. That's going to be a big, big game. Looking for some chat questions here. I'm curious if you have any Woody Marks questions. Would you start Woody Marks or a Broncos wide receiver?

[Jamie]

I start Marks.

[Heath]

I'd probably start both Broncos wide receivers.

[Adam]

Both Broncos wide receiver.

[Heath]

Marks.

[Adam]

Okay. Is there anything else from this game? We like the Texans DST quite a bit. It's a pretty easy game. Chat questions. Jaden Higgins, Xavier Worthy or Christian Watson?

[Heath]

Watson.

[Adam]

Watson Nico Collins or Javante Williams? And half PPR Nico. That's a good one.

[Heath]

I'd probably go to one too.

[Adam]

Rank. Woody Marks, Bucky Irving and Kamani Vidal and Kareem Hunt and Trey Benson. How about your top three marks? Bucky Vidal. Hunt Benson.

[Heath]

How about the three we're currently ranking?

[Adam]

Yeah, okay, so that'd be Mark's. You're not making Bucky Irving yet.

[Heath]

Oh no, we do have Bucky in. I would go Hunt, Marks Vidal.

[Jamie]

I would go Marks Vidal, Bucky.

[Adam]

Higgins or Mechi Metchie.

[Heath]

Yeah, Meshy.

[Adam]

I'm not letting. Oh this is a real question. Bros. Brosmer, General Mills. No, we're expecting C.J. stroud to play. I thought Thomas put that in there just to make fun of the Vikings. Self hating Vikings fan now. Love it. Stranger Schultz. I say that's for Jamie. That's strange by one spot for Heath that Schultz and okay, I think, I think we're good here. Let's go to our next game. What is our next game? Oh, it's Jacksonville, Tennessee. Jacksonville, Tennessee. Here's an oh that's interesting stat of the game. Trevor Lawrence has scored fewer than 20 fantasy points in six point per passing touchdowns leagues in six games five of those opponents are currently top eight against quarterbacks. How has he done in good matchups? Well, he's placed Cincinnati and he scored 25.2. He faced the Raiders, scored 21.2. Seems like you might have a good game here Jamie. Trevor Lawrence at Tennessee.

[Heath]

I thought you were done with the Trevor defending.

[Adam]

This is different.

[Jamie]

Oh I, I like Trevor this week. I think there's an opportunity for him similar to what Sam Darnold did last week. This Titan secondary is not good and I think Lawrence, you know showed a little something last week and how he responded after the interceptions and just playing very Jekyll and Hyde. But it's really more about just what this, this defense has allowed to opposing quarterbacks. I think there's a chance for him to be in that 20 plus point range. Whether he gets to 24, 25 that remains to be seen. But low end starter, desperation play. Certainly a starter and super flex and two quarterback leagues. I think this is going to be one of Trevor Lawrence's better games in the last month.

[Adam]

Who's the best AFC south quarterback this week in fantasy.

[Jamie]

I will take Trevor.

[Heath]

I will take C.J. stroud.

[Adam]

Oh, I thought you were gonna say Daniel Jones. Always defending. Daniel Jones over there. All right. Jacksonville running backs. Heath. Well, you're not. I'm joking.

[Heath]

Start Travis etn, Bashel Tootin is kind of a what the heck flex that you don't want to start. The usage last week was fantastic. Swinging back in Etienne's direction and they've gone pretty run heavy. That's the only concern I have with Trevor Lawrence is they may just want to take the ball out of his hand.

[Adam]

All right, what do we think about the Jaguars wide wide receivers? When you look at the Titans, they give up the fourth most fantasy points to wide receivers. Most of those wide receivers though are studs. They're not giving up a lot of points to the any the Parker, Washington's, Jacoby Myers, or dare I say Brian Thomas. Juniors of the world, he said. Such a bad year. Jamie, how you feeling about these guys?

[Jamie]

I think Myers is a low end number two receiver and Washington's a high end number three receiver. Washington has actually been better than Myers over the last over their entirety together. But Myers, the last two games has certainly become a significant factor for Trevor Lawrence. I believe it's three times this season where a pair of wide receivers against the Titans have scored at least 12 PPR points together. So I like that scenario for both these guys to be in, in hopefully that range. I just think that this defense is just not very good and there's an opportunity for Lawrence to play well with his receivers and these two being his top two guys at this point.

[Adam]

But you're approaching this as If Brian Thomas Jr. Is not playing at this point.

[Jamie]

Still being limited in practice on Wednesday, I'm not very confident. Could he practice on. I don't think they're gonna practice on Thursday, so whatever they designate them from whatever their walkthrough is or estimated practice, we'll see. But Friday, I, I. Well, at this point I don't have any confidence in him.

[Adam]

No. Okay. If he does play, is that, does that make all of them sits?

[Jamie]

No, it makes the top two guys which I still think are Myers and Washington as number three receivers. And I would not want to trust Thomas in his first game back. He could certainly do something significant because he's talented, but I don't know how much faith the Jaguars coaching staff has in them right now.

[Adam]

Heath, anything to say about the Jaguars wide receivers?

[Heath]

Yeah, I think they're just number threes. I might be. I mean Jacoby's a high end, Parker's a low end and maybe it turns out that Parker Washington's better again. But number three wide receivers, you have strange 12th.

[Adam]

Jamie and Dave have him seventh. I don't, I mean I say what's your hesitation? You have 12th, but why are you not quite as high on Bren Strange?

[Heath]

Yeah, I think like last week was awesome, but it was awesome because he caught all of his targets and averaged like 14 yards a catch and that's not typically Brenton Strange. It was still five targets. I don't think he has a touchdown on the season and Trevor hasn't really thrown very many touchdowns this season. So it's just he's a fine starter. I don't think he's a difference maker. If he finished somewhere between 7th and 15th, I wouldn't really be surprised.

[Adam]

Brenton Stranger. Juwan Johnson. Brennan Jane Stranger. Theo Johnson.

[Jamie]

Strange.

[Heath]

Strange.

[Adam]

All right, sit. Cam Ward. We're encouraged like to see it happen again and he's rushed for more than 30 yards in two straight games. That's excellent stuff. He's also throwing to the running backs a lot but we're not going to trust the running backs. Pollard and Spears pretty much ever. Jacksonville's got a very good run defense. All right, Jamie Shimray, dk, Where do you end up in your rankings?

[Jamie]

Right around 40th. It's just not a lot of you can't say must start at this point for him. The matchup's great. He's coming off a strong game. Doesn't appear like I.O. manor is going to play unless I.

[Adam]

Miss something limited today.

[Jamie]

Okay. So trending in the right direction but no Calvin Ridley. So again it's got to be something I think where you see it maybe at least one more time. But even if he does do something significant one more time like it's just the, the Titans passing game is still just at this point in the season to say must start especially with no teams on a buy. So maybe when we get to week 14, depending on what he does this week and you know what it looks like for the rest of the receiving corps. I just think he's a break glass in case of emergency. Like your team is stuck. You start this type of player.

[Adam]

Yeah, look, I mean the truth is Cam Ward drove down the field in a two possession game late in the fourth quarter, threw a touchdown pass with I think less than a minute left to Chimera. DK padded the stats. It wasn't exactly a blowout at that point, but it was garbage time. I guess in a sense it was late desperation times. It made everything look a lot better. And look, we can't trust the Titans tight end. Neither of them have scored. But Gunner Helm is starting to play a lot more. The last two games he's played as many snaps basically as Chigo Conquo and he just had a nice game.

[Jamie]

Jacksonville start Helm than David Najoku for example.

[Adam]

Oh, glad you said that because that is going right into the next game. I got a great note on the Browns tight ends, but the Jaguars do allow the second most fantasy points to tight ends. But still and the Jaguars DST is a low end starter. Let me read some quick chat questions here for this game. Would you start Christian Watson tomorrow or wait for Brian Thomas Jr. And Marvin Harrison Jr. News.

[Jamie]

I would certainly wait out Harrison. I would not wait out Thomas. So if you have somebody that can replace Marvin Harrison in case he sits, I would go that route for sure.

[Adam]

It's tough because they're not going to practice. The teams aren't going to practice tomorrow. Right. So we're not going to get updated reports really on tomorrow being Thursday.

[Jamie]

The video of Harrison looked fine. I'm guessing he's gonna play.

[Adam]

All right, Brian Thomas Jr. Parker, Washington Worthy, Gadsden. Who are your two favorites there?

[Jamie]

Gadston and Washington.

[Heath]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Adam]

Should I play Juwan Jennings over Romo Dunesay or Michael Pittman? I forgot to ask this Pittman question from last game. So Jennings over Pittman or Adunze?

[Heath]

I I think I have Jennings one spot ahead of Pittman right now but and somebody said it in the chat earlier and so I went and looked it does look like it's not a great weather day in Cleveland again. Shockingly. Must be miserable to live there because it's just always terrible. So I wouldn't be surprised if there's a late week downgrade for Jennings and Pittman's over him.

[Adam]

All right, that's our next game. Pick two for Dinesh Parker, Washington AJ Brown, Darnell Mooney.

[Jamie]

I'd go Brown and Parker.

[Heath]

Yep.

[Adam]

Okay. All right, next game, San Francisco's at Cleveland. All right. Jamie Trend of the game. Harold Fannin Jr. Had his highest route participation rate of the season in any game that David Najoku played. 81%. David Najoku had his lowest route participation rate of the season, 43%. Fannin had a season high 35.3% target share but only 20 passes. I don't know why I'm throwing this to Jamie heath. Harold Fannin Jr. This is great stuff.

[Heath]

It's fantastic news. And it like he actually Comes out really high in the projections this week. And the reason is because. Because they hear projections because they, they generally throw 35 times a game.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Heath]

And they had a game where they were playing ahead and they were able to not throw the ball very much. I don't expect that to be the case this week. I think we see Shador Sanders throw 30 to 35 passes a game. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a 6 for 85 from Harold Fannin. He's a top 10 tight end for me. He's outside of the top 15 I think for Dave and Jamie. So a Harold Fanon Island.

[Adam]

I hope the trend continues. You never know with the route participation rate. Just because it happened one game, it doesn't mean it's gonna happen the next.

[Heath]

But the week before we had seen Najoku's snapshare full. So like it's not a one week thing.

[Jamie]

He played 25 snap percent of snaps last week.

[Adam]

Yeah, yeah. It had been falling for. Yeah for two weeks. And obviously it just seems like they're trending young here. So sit purdy start McCaffrey. Gotta sit Pierce. All right.

[Heath]

Yes.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And. And you know, go back to Jennings like in three receiver leagues. I think he's fine. I think you could certainly make the argument for him over Odunze or Pittman. I would start both those guys over him personally. But this is going to be a rough game for, for Purdy again, like he's. He's going to be under duress and we'll see how he handles it. I mean obviously you trust Kyle Shanahan to come up with a good game plan, but this pass rush is nasty.

[Adam]

Yeah, they're projected to score about 21, 20 to 21 points.

[Jamie]

It's.

[Adam]

Yeah, it's tough. George Kittle's a start. Sugar Sanders is a sit. We'll come back to Quinn. Sean Judkins sit the Cleveland wide receivers. You just heard the Harold fanon analysis. Which DST do you prefer?

[Jamie]

Browns.

[Heath]

I have, I think the 49ers one spot higher. But they're both top 10.

[Adam]

Okay. Same for Jamie. Both top 10 niners defense has not been good, but man, they have 13 sacks in 12 games.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but this, I mean look, if you're playing the 49ers defense, you're playing against Shirt Sanders. That's what you're doing.

[Adam]

And all right. Quinton Judkins. So you. Hopefully they can keep the score close because in three blowout losses he has 12. In four blowout losses he has 12 or fewer carries three times. But we're expecting this to be competitive, I guess. I mean, look, it is like a playoff team against a really bad team, but hopefully competitive here. All right, Heath, you have him 25th. I think Jamie has him 25th as well. Dave has him 19th and Jam Daisy has him 20th, so. All right, finish up with your thoughts on Quinshon Judkins.

[Heath]

This game has an over under of 36 and a half that may go down if this weather forecast starts.

[Jamie]

Look more.

[Heath]

Looking more realistic later in the week. The really only reason you're starting Quinte Sean Judkins anymore is that you hope he scores touchdowns. I'm not sure how many touchdowns the Browns score in this game. He's not really being used in the passing game very much. They said on the broadcast last week they really want to see a little bit more from Dylan Sampson down the stretch. So I think he's a really good player. I think I want to have him on my dynasty roster, but he's just a high end flex or somebody you settle for at RB2.

[Adam]

Question here. Let me find it. Sit. To Judkins, Hampton, Devin Neal, Woody Marks, Manangai Sit two.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I mean, as of now, I'd be starting Judkins and Marks and then I probably would have Hampton if he's in. Neil if Hampton's out.

[Heath]

Yeah, I think that sounds right. Mananga is the definite sit and Hampton right now we're not projecting him, so he might be make it easy for you. But if he plays sitting, you'll.

[Adam]

Okay, so that's good context here. Do you like Judkins or Marks better?

[Jamie]

Mark's for me.

[Heath]

I have Judkins one spot higher.

[Adam]

Judkins or a Jaguars receiver. Full ppr.

[Jamie]

I will take Myers and Washington over Judkins and ppr.

[Heath]

Yeah, it sounds right.

[Adam]

Judkins or Bucky Irving?

[Heath]

Judkins for me.

[Jamie]

I will probably make that adjustment.

[Adam]

But judge over Bucky Judkins or Justin Jefferson at Seattle? Why? What do you mean? Stop it.

[Jamie]

As bad as Jefferson is, you're still starting over Judkins.

[Adam]

Okay, well, that's. That's it for the show.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Great show.

[Adam]

Happy Thanksgiving, guys. I hope you have a wonderful day.

[Heath]

You too.

[Adam]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Heath]

I'm thankful to get to do this show with you guys.

[Adam]

Same here, man. We're very, very lucky to be able to do this for a living. It's awesome. Our audience is incredible. Incredible. You guys are showing up to vote. It means a lot to us. We care about you. You care about us. I love you all. All right, enjoy, everybody. Enjoy your holiday.

[Jamie]

If here's one. This is not what you have to do. This is what I'm gonna do if we win. If we win, we're gonna have Nando on, and for 64 seconds, he can say whatever he wants. What?

[Adam]

Okay, so we'll win. We'll win the contest, and then we'll lose our jobs.

[Jamie]

No, not that. We'll say it.

[Adam]

Oh, okay. Just.

[Heath]

Whoever's producing will lose their job.

[Jamie]

No one will lose their jobs.

[Adam]

Anyway, we'll talk to you Friday. I think it's just gonna be me and Jamie. Maybe Dave will be joining us. We'll also have a handout again Friday for the. For the normal show, and then Dan will be on to the Know that. Enjoy it, everybody. See you later.

[Jamie]

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[Adam]

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[Jamie]

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[Adam]

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