Start or Sit (AFC): Tough RB Calls, Bounceback Games for Patrick Mahomes? Zay Flowers? Rome Odunze? (11/20 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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Episode Summary: Start or Sit (AFC): Tough RB Calls, Bounceback Games for Patrick Mahomes? Zay Flowers? Rome Odunze?
Released: November 20, 2025

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Episode Overview

This week's FFT episode, hosted by Dave Richard alongside Jamie Eisenberg and Heath Cummings, dives into AFC Start/Sit decisions for Week 12. With a struggling running back landscape, unpredictable wide receiver performances, and bounceback hopes for big names like Patrick Mahomes and Zay Flowers, the team delivers actionable advice, debates player outlooks, and provides rankings context for listeners making lineup decisions. Key discussions focus on exploiting matchups, injury impacts, and the viability of both returning and backup players in a pivotal fantasy week.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Players the Crew Loves This Week

Jamie Eisenberg’s Picks ([03:05])

• Jared Goff vs. Giants — “This is the Jared Goff scenario I love…Huge favorites at home against a defense that stinks against the pass.” (Jamie, 03:05)
  • Giants allow 3rd-most fantasy points to QBs; all analysts consider Goff a top play.
• Alvin Kamara vs. Falcons — Noting the Falcons’ recent struggles against RBs: “They’re No.1 in fantasy points allowed to opposing running backs in the last five weeks.” (Jamie, 03:39)
  • Encourages stashing Devin Neal as a possible future league-winner.
• Michael Wilson vs. Jaguars — “Jacoby Brissett, three of five starts: forty-four plus pass attempts...Michael Wilson should be close to double-digit targets in a very favorable matchup.” (03:39)

Heath Cummings’ Picks ([05:37])

• Brock Purdy vs. Panthers — “Must-start quarterback rest of the season…49ers are efficient passing, 27.75 implied total.” (05:37)
• Jacoby Brissett vs. Jaguars — “At least 23 fantasy points in every start…Why not? Dave's got him top five.” (05:37)
• Jameson Williams vs. Giants — Loves the Lions passing game usage, especially sans Sam LaPorta.

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Toughest Positions: RB & WR Attrition ([26:52])

• Running back is “a lot better than wide receiver, but everything’s kind of bad…fifteen of the top 36 WRs not playing this week. A dozen committees at RB.” (Heath, 26:52)
• “Many are reluctant starts…They would be sits if we had better options.” (Jamie, 26:24)

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Players to Avoid This Week

Heath’s Sits ([07:47])

• Daniel Jones @ Chiefs — Less than 20 fantasy points per outdoor game.
• Sean Tucker @ Rams — Efficiency won’t transfer and Rashad White still involved.
• Kareem Hunt vs. Chiefs — Isaiah Pacheco’s return kills value.

Jamie’s Sits ([08:50])

• Ashton Jeanty vs. CLE — Raiders OL generating the least yds/carry, game script negative.
• Caleb Williams vs. PIT — Steelers’ last three games: “fantastic against QBs.” Prefers Purdy, Brissett, Darnold over him.
• Dalton Schultz vs. BUF — “Playing the tight end erasers... Production against them has been absolutely miserable.” (10:53)

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Notable News & Injury Updates ([12:06–16:27])

• Lamar Jackson missed practice (ankle); not a certainty to play.
• Joe Burrow limited; coach not yet optimistic on Sunday status.
• RB Landscape:
  • Trey Benson’s practice window open.
  • Josh Jacobs, Jalen Warren, Bucky Irving — All injury question marks.
  • Ramondre Stevenson trending toward playing; "if stuck, can use him," but prefers Henderson in most cases.
• WR/TE Updates: Marvin Harrison Jr. OUT, Xavier Worthy questionable, Khalil Shakir in, Dalton Kincaid OUT.

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One Key Question—Quick Hits Per Game

Indianapolis @ Kansas City ([19:50])

• Colts WRs: “Pittman’s a low-end WR2, Alec Pierce a boom-bust WR3, don’t want anyone else.” (Heath, 19:50)
• Chiefs Trend: 10 big plays surrendered in last 2 games, suggesting downfield potential for Pierce.

Pittsburgh @ Chicago ([20:01])

• Rome Odunze: “Definitely starting this week, given state of position.” (Jamie, 20:04)
• Steelers see most pass attempts in NFL; 9 straight QBs over 33 pass attempts.

Jacksonville @ Arizona ([21:12])

• Jaguars receivers: Jacoby Myers and Parker Washington are WR3 types, but volume is concerning.
• Trevor Lawrence: Only viable in superflex/large leagues.

New England @ Cincinnati ([21:45])

• Travion Henderson (NE) vs. Chase Brown (CIN):
  • Jamie: Henderson over Brown, regardless of Ramondre status.
  • Heath: Brown if Ramondre plays, Henderson if not.
  • Stat: Cincinnati has surrendered 16.7+ PPR points to a RB every week.

Cleveland @ Las Vegas ([22:49])

• Ashton Jeanty vs. Quinshon Judkins:
  • Heath: “Jeanty for me, the target volume is key.”
  • Jamie: “Judkins, slightly. He’s gonna get the ball.”

Seattle @ Tennessee ([24:01])

• Ken Walker: “Should be a good game if they stick to giving him opportunities…would start him over Judkins and Jeanty.” (Jamie, 24:01)

Jets @ Baltimore ([25:21])

• Breece Hall vs. Zay Flowers:
  • Heath: “Hall for me, but close. Both likely must-starts due to weak WR week.”
  • Jamie: “Many RBs this week are reluctant starts.”

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Rankings Debates and Start/Sit Decisions

• Patrick Mahomes: Strong home splits, high start confidence.
  • “Should be a bounce-back.” (Jamie, 34:06)
• KC WRs: Rashee Rice is an easy start; Xavier Worthy barely a top-36 WR, closer to WR3/4 territory.
  • “He and Mahomes just can’t connect on the deep ball.” (Heath, 35:23)
• TE Debate: Tyler Warren slightly over Travis Kelce this week, but “wouldn’t be surprised if Kelce outscores him.” (Jamie, 36:08)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On reluctant RB/WR starts:
  • “They would be sits if we had better options.” (Jamie, 26:19)
  • “Everything’s kind of bad.” (Heath, 26:29)
• NFL Trend:
  • Heath: “Chiefs are the 15th team since 1990 to be .500 or worse this late and favored vs. a .800+ team. The prior 14 are 14-0.” (Heath, 28:29)
• On the state of waiver wires:
  • “My home leagues, can’t get a QB for the life of me. In CBS/analyst leagues, they’re everywhere.” (Dave, 52:47)
• On Weather:
  • “No bad weather week—really good weather, lots of indoor games.” (Dave/Jamie, 11:42–11:57)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------------|------------| | Start/Sit RB/WR Landscape & Challenges | 03:05–06:43| | Injury updates and news | 12:06–16:27| | One Question for Each Game | 19:50–28:26| | Reluctant Running Back Rankings | 25:37–26:35| | Chiefs-Colts: WR breakdown, Mahomes, TE debate | 30:51–36:12| | Steelers-Bears: Odunze, Steelers WRs/DST | 37:54–44:28| | Jacksonville/Arizona: Jags RB split, McBride/TE talk | 46:10–51:04| | NE/CIN: Running backs, Hunter Henry vs. TEs | 57:12–59:43| | Cleveland-LV: Genti/Judkins debate | 65:03–68:28| | Seattle-Tennessee: Ken Walker/Charbonnet, Titans TEs | 70:52–72:19| | Jets-Ravens: Breece Hall/Zay Flowers; Mark Andrews | 73:02–77:26|

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Strategic Takeaways

• RBs: Loads of “reluctant starts”—best to chase volume and matchups; even questionable committee RBs can be viable due to general attrition.
• WRs: Start almost anyone with a defined role; expect volatility.
• RB/WR Handcuffs: Stash new potential workload leaders (e.g., Devin Neal).
• TE Streaming: Target matchups vs. worst defenses (Henry, Brenton Strange if healthy).
• Quarterbacks: Jacoby Brissett and Brock Purdy are preferred streamers/spot starts over risky options like Caleb Williams or Daniel Jones.

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Fantasy Advice & Rankings Clarity

• “You have to live in the WR3 range… Anyone in the WR2 range you have to start.” (Jamie, 20:39)
• Pierce’s air yards are attractive in the context of this week’s desperation; Browns RBs all have warts but are hard to fade entirely.
• DST strategy: Jaguars and Buccaneers have great rest-of-season schedules, worth stashing now.
• “It’s not a boost or a killer—Baltimore run D right now is just ‘matchups don’t matter territory.’” (Heath, 73:02)

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Closing

The FFT team recognizes the week’s chaos—between injuries, bad offensive environments, and the fantasy playoff push, they aim to provide clarity and confidence as you finalize Week 12 lineups. For the most up-to-date insight, check their Sunday YouTube Q&A and late-week mailbag—plenty of uncertainty lingers!

"Enjoy the games—and remember, sometimes you just need to survive these RB/WR minefields!"
— FFT Crew

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Transcript

[Jamie Eisenberg]

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[Dave Richard]

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[Jamie Eisenberg]

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[Heath Cummings]

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[Dave Richard]

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[Heath Cummings]

Here'S some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and he.

[Dave Richard]

We're getting into week 12. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary. We've got seven games to talk about today. Are we going to get a bounce back from Daniel Jones? Are we going to get a big week from the Lions offense? I feel a lot more confident in one of those two things. Are we even going to get Lamar Jackson this week? Are we going to get Joe Burrow this week? Lamar Jackson did not practice while Joe Burrow practiced in full. Welcome everyone. Adam Azer.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Hello.

[Dave Richard]

Jamie Eisenberg.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Hello Adam Mazer. And Heath Cummings.

[Dave Richard]

Hello Heathco. I'm supposed to introduce Heath but. Okay, whatever. Hello Heath. Hey, what's up? What's up, guys? How's it going?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay.

[Dave Richard]

All right.

[Heath Cummings]

The games we got, we got a seven hour show we don't have time for. How's it going?

[Dave Richard]

You know, just, just, just ease the tension, baby. Indianapolis at Kansas City, Pittsburgh at Chicago, Jacksonville at Arizona, New England at Cincinnati, Cleveland at Las Vegas, Seattle at Tennessee and the jets at Baltimore.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

That's, you know, my favorite thing is he from Adam is that whenever he tells us before a show, guys, we got to be quick. We can't take too long on a show. And then when we make the show quick, he's like, oh, we got some time. Let's, let's, you know, of course.

[Dave Richard]

I'm just asking you for time for us to banter about nonsense at the end. All right, let's get into the players we love this week. Jamie's got Jared Goff against the Giants, Alvin Camara against Atlanta, and Michael Wilson against the Jaguars.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, golf is the start of the week. Excited to see him in his favorite scenario. Huge favorites at home against a defense that stinks against the pass. And so hopefully this is the typical Jared Goff game where he goes crazy. Giants number three in terms of most fantasy points allowed to opposing quarterbacks. Almost every quarterback this season has beat up on them. Secondary may be getting a little bit healthier, but I don't think that matters in this case with what Dan Campbell should allow Jared Goff to do. Like, this is the Jared Goff scenario I love.

[Dave Richard]

Okay. Camara was an interesting one to see on there against the Falcons.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

So Falcons number four and most fantasy points allowed to opposing running backs for the season in the last five weeks, they're number one. And so you hope that what we saw from Camara going into his bye week, which was one of his best games this season, 14 and a half PPR points that we get that coming off the bye week with fresh legs. So as you see if you're watching on on YouTube, SportsLine all in on Alvin Camara at 11. The rest of us, Heath, Dave and myself, 23, 25. So we're still treating him as more of a number two running back here on the lower end side. But I still think there's optimism and, and for me at least I can't remember the last time I ranked him as a number two running back. So I maxi may move him up a couple spots because I think this could be one of those better games. And obviously for Michael Wilson, he's not going to get 18 targets again. He's not going to get 15 catches again. He's not going to Get 185 yards. But Jacoby Brissette, three of five starts, 44 plus pass attempts, Marvin Harrison Jr. The two games before he left, 22 total targets, so 11 per game. I think we're looking at close to double digit targets for Michael Wilson in a very favorable matchup against Jacksonville. So this should be a borderline number one wide receiver but a solid number two option that you should be starting for almost every league.

[Dave Richard]

Okay, I just look at Camara's player page. There's a lot of good matchups on paper. Left Atlanta, Miami, Tampa Bay, Carolina, who he just had a good game against. So maybe the best is yet to come. We'll keep our fingers crossed on Camara.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And please, if you have an open roster spot, stash Devin Neal because he's the next man up. And if Camara gets phased out because they want to see what's happening with their rest of the roster or injury, then we could be in line for, you know, maybe a league winner down the stretch.

[Dave Richard]

All right, Heath, your three players that you love are Brock Purdy Monday night against Carolina, Jacobe Brissette against the Jaguars and obviously Jamie likes Michael Wilson and I'm sure you do too and Jamison Williams against the Giants. So we've got, we've got the Giant, the Lions passing game represented and the Cardinals passing game represented and Brock Purdy as well.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah, Brock Purdy came back first game back, throws three touchdown passes. That's what the 49ers have done pretty much all season long. They have scored what, 20 passing touchdowns, eight rushing touchdowns. They have been an efficient passing passing offense which that you always are with Kyle Shanahan but rank I believe 32nd in yards per attempt rushing. They have 20 implied total of 27.75. I think Brock Purdy's just pretty close to a must start quarterback rest of season. He's got his full complements of weapons back except for Brandon Ayuk and not sure they need Brandon Iuk this year so that'll be okay. Brissette, at least 23 fantasy points in every start. View him as a must start quarterback. Why not? Dave's got him top five. Why not? And then Jameson Williams. Love the in breaking routes with Dan Campbell. Love the usage without Sam Laporta, top 15 wide receiver. You were right Adam. It only took a play color change and a one of the top weapons getting hurt.

[Dave Richard]

I was right about that, about Jameson Williams.

[Heath Cummings]

You were for a month earlier this season you were wanting to start Jameson Williams and oh good.

[Dave Richard]

Finally.

[Heath Cummings]

You just needed a little circumstance change.

[Dave Richard]

Jamo or Michael Wilson?

[Heath Cummings]

Jamo for me.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Jamie Wilson for me. But both over Justin Jefferson.

[Dave Richard]

Wow. And neither of them are called or Jefferson.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

It's a weird way the emphasis there.

[Dave Richard]

All right, Sunday. Join us on Sunday for fantasy football today from 11am to 1pm Goodbye Europe games. We'll see you next year. 11am to 1pm YouTube.com fantasy football today we're answering your starter set questions. If you haven't been there, it's a lot of fun. We answer a ton of questions. We chat, we have a good time. We laugh. Players to avoid Heath has Daniel Jones at Kansas City, Sean Tucker Sunday night at the Rams and Kareem Hunt in that Chiefs Colts game as well. Go ahead, Heath.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah, Daniel Jones is on the road. Daniel Jones is outside. I do not want to start Daniel Jones and neither does Anyone else below 20 fantasy points per game outdoors this season. Sean Tucker, even if Bucky's not back, I do not want to think that the rushing efficiency that he had against the Bills is going to transfer over to playing against the Rams. And it's still even last week when he was awesome. Rashad White's not just completely going away. I think you're probably in this game looking at somewhere around 12 rush attempts for Sean Tucker, which even if he's good is probably 60 yards instead of 180 yards. So he's a high end. Flex. If there's no Bucky Irving, I don't want to start him anywhere. If Bucky Irving is back, get away from Sean Tucker. Cream Hunt, kind of the same situation. Isaiah Pacheco's back. You see the rankings here. I mine has not been updated since we added Pacheco to the rankings, but he is not actually going to be a top 30 running back for me.

[Dave Richard]

Okay. And yeah but right Pacheco being back is a is a bummer for Kareem Hunt. Jamie's three to avoid Ashton Genti against Cleveland, Caleb Williams against Pittsburgh and Dalton Schultz tonight against Buffalo. So let me just give you a quick stat on on Cleveland. Tell me if this changes your mind at all because we have this idea that they're this dominant run defense. They're fourth best against running backs. But over their last five games running backs are averaging or maybe six games since week four, running backs are averaging four and a half yards per carry against Cleveland. Does that change anything for you?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Jamie I believe that Genti is or the offensive line for the Raiders is generating like the least amount of yards per carry per Rush, they're. They're just not very good right now, and I hope they're gonna give him more than six carries. I hope that he's going to perform better. He's got four games this season with single digits in ppr. He's coming off obviously a miserable game. I hope he's going to continue to be involved in the passing game, and that saved him last week. But like you said, they, they are not, I think, reflective of what their defense actually is. But I also think, like, this is just a bad spot for Genti right now because of what is going to potentially happen to Geno Smith in this offense. Like, I think Miles Garrett's gonna make things pretty miserable for him. So Genti's got to score. He's gonna have to, you know, get in the end zone. I think, you know, maybe he has another game with five catches. But at this point, the offensive line down two guys, you know, in at least the two that, you know, r in Miller and Jackson Powers are really impacting how this game is, is being played for Genti at this point. So 24 is probably a little bit too low and I don't think most people are sitting him across the board, but he's the, he's the bust alert for me in this, in this scenario for, for the column this week. In the case of Dalton Schultz, you know, he's playing the tight end Erasers. They are amazing in terms of what they do to the position. And so we saw it last week. It was the same setup for Kot. He was coming off this amazing stretch of games and then they just completely take him out. The, the tight end production against them has been absolutely miserable. One guy with double digits and PPR is Travis Kelsey. Almost every tight end they faced has had not season lows, but close to season lows. And it's been a good list of tight ends, but certainly guys in the Dalton Schultz range. And then what was the other one? Caleb Williams.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, Caleb Williams against Pittsburgh.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, he's been. You. You said this. I don't know if it was Sunday or at some point during the week. He takes advantage of great matchups. The Steelers, the last three games against opposing quarterbacks have been fantastic. And so he may able. He may be able to find his way into quality production, but this is actually a good week for quarterbacks. So I like, for example, I like Sam Darnold's situation against the Titans better. Jacoby Brissette we've talked about. Brock Purdy we've talked about. I like those Guys better than Caleb Williams. So if you can get away from him this week, I would try to do so.

[Dave Richard]

Here's some good news though, just for the fantasy community. It looks like we don't have a bad weather week this week. Looks like it's actually a really good weather week. A little bit warmer than it was last week. We doesn't look like we're gonna have that crazy wind. So.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Lots of indoor games too.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, okay. That's also good. But yeah, I mean, I walked outside this morning, I was like, ooh, this isn't so bad. You guys are so lucky. I hate walking out.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Did you say it like that?

[Dave Richard]

Kind of. Oh, yeah, man, I miss Florida. Okay. News and notes. Lamar Jackson missed practice with an ankle injury. He has now had hamstring, knee and ankle injuries recently. They did not say he's definitely gonna play this week. It's kind of hinted that he'd be on the same schedule as last week, which was miss Wednesday, get back at practice later in the week and what in play, any downgrade. Right. Right now. You know, I'll ask you tomorrow. We'll see what happens with Lamar Jackson today. Shoulder Sanders is starting this week. Jackson dart still in the concussion protocol but making progress there. He's got a chance to play Joe Burrow practiced in full. Jamie, we talked earlier before the show. You didn't seem to be taking it super seriously that he might play this week. How are you feeling?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

No, no, I'm taking it seriously. But you're, you're. Explain your dilemma.

[Dave Richard]

Well, I mean, in a super flex league, I have both Texans quarterbacks. Obviously I don't want to start them. I just picked up Mason Rudolph. So now I have both Steelers quarterbacks and I have Joe Flacco. So I might have to start Davis Mills because if Joe Burrow plays, then I've only got the Steelers quarterbacks after Thursday. And yeah, I don't know. So that's, that's kind of a bummer. No one else really has to have this dilemma because you know, you're starting Josh Allen tonight. You're not starting Davis Mills tonight in any, almost any league. But yeah, look, he practiced last week. He's practicing in full right now.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

There's a report that just came out from Ian Rapaport from Zach Taylor on a show on radio show in Cincinnati just now asked about Joe Burrow. He said if Joe Burrow's playing Sunday. He said, I'm not there yet.

[Heath Cummings]

Okay, I, I mean I think you said nobody's starting Davis Mills this week. But in a super flex league if your only options were Davis Mills or Joe Flacco.

[Dave Richard]

Looks that way now. So you could start, you could start a non quarterback, which I might do, right? Yeah, but.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Right.

[Dave Richard]

But we'll see what happens today. But it still seems like right now our guess is he's not playing this week. C.J. stroud is out. Aaron Rodgers missed practice but he's got a chance to play. And Michael Penck. So Pennix did not tear his acl, but he still needs reconstructive surgery and he's going to be out about nine months. Michael Pennix what a bummer. Oh man, this guy who's had 2, 2 ACL injuries in college Running Back News hey Trey Benson. The practice window has been opened. Once a guy is, is off IR or you know, the practice window's been open from IR, he has 21 days to play or he has to miss the rest of the season. So Benson's practicing or at least he's got the the clock has started. Josh Jacobs missed practice. Jalen Warren missed practice. Not a surprise. But both of those guys are trying to get back for this Sunday. Bucky Irving was limited. Liam Cohen first of all, Basil Tutin was limited, but Liam Cohen said that Tootin and and the Quint who basically just plays on passing downs have been practicing better and that's why Tutin earned more playing time. But it seems like he's going to play. I mentioned yesterday that Ken Walker may get more work. Samaj P. Ryan is doubtful. That's good news for Chase Brown. Isaiah Pacheco practice in full. As Heath mentioned, that's bad news for Kareem Hunt and Ramondre Stevenson practiced. Are you guys expecting Stevenson to play at Cincinnati?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yes. Yep.

[Dave Richard]

Okay.

[Heath Cummings]

He was limited though. And so like that's where he was at the beginning of last week too. So it's not a sure thing. It will make a big difference in my Travion Henderson ranking.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I don't, I don't think you should panic in any stretch about Travion and I do think that if you're stuck this week and you have Ramondj on your bench, you could probably use him. Remember, this is a team in the Bengals. Four running back duos have scored 11 plus PPR points against them this season and if you get 11 out of Stevenson you're pretty happy about that. I think you still get 15 plus out of Travillon. We'll see how they use them. But for me going into it, I would not be afraid of really either one if I was stuck with really, you know, forced to be be using Stevenson. But Trevion is still very highly ranked for me.

[Dave Richard]

Okay, so if Stevenson plays, you just said you like Camara as a number two running back. Borderline number two. Camaro or Stevenson?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Stevenson will not crack my top 24, but he's in that next group of guys.

[Dave Richard]

I meant Henderson.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Sorry, Henderson or Camaro. Yeah, Henderson.

[Heath Cummings]

So, okay, yeah, it's, it'd be probably Camara for me if Stevenson plays.

[Dave Richard]

Oh, okay. Okay. So we, we will preview that game in a little bit. I'll give you another stat about the Bengals and running backs. We'll see if it could Continue. Marvin Harrison Jr's out. Xavier Worthy missed practice with an ankle injury. Brian Thomas Jr. Was limited as he was last week. Khalil Shakir is going to play tonight. Darius Slayton missed practice. Drake London could be back next week. That's great news for him. That would be at the Jets. Kayshawn Booty practiced. Jaden Reed missed practice. And every other packers wide receiver was limited. So it looks like they are going to be pretty healthy. They might get read back, but right now we're thinking no. Rashad Bateman missed practice. Tory Horton missed practice. Chimeri DK practiced in full while Ellic I'll matter missed practice. And Chris Godwin was limited. So limited for Godwin and Bucky Irving again. David Ajoku's day to day. Dalton Kincaid is out. Isaiah likely missed practice with a calf issue. It looks like Austin Hooper is making good progress from the concussion protocol. Tyler Higby is on IR for the Rams. And Micah Sicki, we talked about him getting his practice window open. Offensive line news. Not only is Lane Johnson out four to six weeks, but center Cam Juergens for the Eagles, he's in the concussion protocol. I can't wait to break down that game tomorrow. Philadelphia is at Dallas, Minnesota center Ryan Kelly practice, and both Detroit offensive tackles miss practice. But that is not unusual for a Wednesday and they typically play. And then I'll skip the defensive stuff, except I will tell you that linebacker T.J. edwards for Chicago, he missed practice and I keep saying it. Whenever he has played, their run defense has been really good. Whenever Edwards has not played, the Bears run defense has been horrible. So he misses practice to start the week and they get Pittsburgh. All right, sorry for babbling. We'll take a break. One question for each game when we come back. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Listening to this podcast. Smart move. Being financially savvy. Smart move. Another smart move. Having State Farm help you create a competitive price when you choose to bundle home and auto bundling. Just another way to save with a personal price plan like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the color, customer availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. With Black Friday savings at the Home Depot you can get up to $1,400 off plus get free delivery on select appliances like LG, America's most reliable line of appliances. Check out the newest LG refrigerator with new mini craft ice straight from the dispenser shop Black Friday savings on select LG appliances plus get free delivery now at the Home Depot. Free delivery on appliance purchases of $396 or more offer valid 11.5through12 3 US only. See store online for details. Introducing Oakley Meta Vanguard the new performance AI glasses designed for athletes with hands free capture on an action ready ultra wide camera, powerful open ear speakers and built in Meta AI that syncs with your Garmin devices for real time insights while you train. Take your performance to the next level with Oakley Meta Vanguard Athletic Intelligence is here. Learn more on Meta.com One question for each game Indianapolis is at Kansas City how do you feel Heath about the Colts wide receivers? Chiefs allow the eighth fewest fantasy points to wide receivers.

[Heath Cummings]

Michael Pittman's a low end wide receiver too. Alec Pierce does a boom bust wide receiver 3 I don't want to start any other Colts wide receivers.

[Dave Richard]

Pittsburgh's at Chicago Jamie starter sit Romo.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Dunes so he said the other day how bad wide receiver is for the week and just in listening to his answer like I have two Colts wide receivers in my top 24. I'm definitely starting Roma doing to this week.

[Heath Cummings]

We have we have a show on HQ this afternoon that we do starts and sits and we have to send in five starts and five sits and the list always comes out really late and so I'm always sending like players 10 through 15 on the start sit list and I did not put a wide receiver on the sits because I can't find any wide receivers to say to sit.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I I write a very lengthy article every week about who to start notice it and that was the toughest position I had to deal with was okay yeah just live in the wide receiver three range because anybody that's in the wide receiver two range you have to start this week.

[Dave Richard]

Okay yeah Pittsburgh is allowed 90 or more yards to 10 wide receivers in 10 games but mostly just studs and hopefully Romo Dunes they can can stay in that category. Jacksonville is at Arizona Heath, would you start anyone in the Jacksonville passing game?

[Heath Cummings]

Oh, I might start lots of people in the Jacksonville passing game. Like if assuming Brian Thomas Jr. Is out then I think Jacoby Myers and Parker Washington are both wide receiver threes. If Brandon Strange is back he's a borderline tight end one probably a high end tight end too. I'd prefer not to but they're certainly. If you're starting three wide receivers, I think you have to consider a Jacksonville wide receiver.

[Dave Richard]

Not Trevor Lawrence though, right?

[Heath Cummings]

I don't want to start Trevor Lawrence unless I'm a super flex league. I do have to start him in a 14 team 1 QB league but that's the way things are.

[Dave Richard]

Yep. New England's at Cincinnati. Travion Henderson in this great matchup or Chase Brown in this brutal matchup.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Jamie, I will start Henderson with or without Stevenson there over Chase Brown.

[Dave Richard]

Definitely not the same answer for Heath, right?

[Heath Cummings]

Nope. I'll start Henderson over Brown if from Andre's out. I'll start Brown over Henderson if for Monday's end.

[Dave Richard]

The updated stat of the game is Cincinnati has still allowed 16.7 or more PPR fantasy points to a running back in every single game. Holy moly. That's a lot. So I don't. That's going to be tough for Henderson if Ramandre plays but probably very attainable if he doesn't play. And then Chase Brown. You got to hope for that passing production.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Right?

[Dave Richard]

You know so because the run.

[Heath Cummings]

I mean he might have. He might have double digit targets really with no Chase especially he's been so involved in the passing game and now they don't have their. The guy they've been throwing 35 of.

[Dave Richard]

Their passes to Cleveland is at Las Vegas. Vegas Heath, Ashton Genti or Quinchon Judkins?

[Heath Cummings]

Definitely Ashton Genti for me. And it's just the fact that he has 18 targets and 14 catches in his last three games. Like they've really made it focused. They're not running the ball anymore. That's frustrating. But he's. I think you should expect four or five catches minimum from him. And it's not like Cleveland's gonna run away in this game. Probably a very low scoring game, but plenty of opportunities for the Raiders to run the ball more than six times.

[Dave Richard]

Jim, you give that stat about the Raiders generating the fewest yards whatever their offensive line. I wonder where Cleveland ranks in there too because Judkins is probably not far behind. Yeah, those. These two guys are getting no help. Who would you go with? Jamie Judkins or Genty Judkins?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Slightly. Just because I, I know that they're going to run the ball. I, I think Heath is right. I, I don't expect either team to be well ahead one way or the other. But, you know, looking at these two teams and how they're probably going to operate, you know, both quarterbacks are probably going to struggle. You know, it's. Which defense do you trust? They're both obviously not great offensive environments, but I, I know Judkins getting the ball.

[Dave Richard]

Next game, Seattle at Tennessee. Can't wait for this one. Jamie starter sit Ken Walker.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

This should be a good game for walker if Mike McDonald sticks to what he says, you know, so he said on Monday that they're going to give him more opportunities. I know the Titans run defense with Jeffrey Simmons is much different than without, but given what Walker started to show us certainly last week, and I know some of it was circumstantial when he was on the field, how he scored his touchdown, getting more involved in the passing game, but it was his first touchdown since week three. It was the most receiving yards that he had in the game this season. It tied his season high in targets and receptions. So give him two or three catches, give him an opportunity to work at the goal line and hopefully he can break a run here. I just expect the Seattle, the Seahawks to have the ball the entirety of the game like this. This could be a murderous situation for the Titans. And so if they give him more opportunities, I think eventually he'll crack a big play or two and have the chance to be successful. So I would start him personally over Judkins and Genti this week. I think there's more upside for him.

[Dave Richard]

Okay, that's Ken Walker we're talking about. And by the way, it's not just Jeffrey Simmons. There's three players that were healthy last week. For the Titans it was. And they're all edge rushers or defensive linemen. Tavandre Sweat, Jeffrey Simmons and Arden Key. They all played last week and it made a big difference for them.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

But if you take Jeffrey Simmons away, he's the biggest difference maker.

[Dave Richard]

Absolutely. But they're all important players for them. Jets are at Baltimore. Breeze hall or Zay Flowers. Who you starting?

[Heath Cummings]

It's Bruce hall for me. But they are very, very close. And you're probably not making this decision because you have to start Zay Flowers at wide receiver because there's no good wide receivers this week. So I can't imagine Having Zay Flowers to flex, that'd be awesome. But yeah, it's Bries all slightly.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

You brought up five running backs already or. I've asked about five running backs already. I'll throw David Montgomery in there, too, just because of what his season has been. But you got Montgomery, Camara, Walker, Genti, hall, and Judkins. Like, all of these guys have so many question marks or have been struggling of late. Some, in the case of Walker and Camara have good matchups. But like. Yeah. What was the question you asked a few weeks ago? Confidence start, Maybe start like reluctant start. Reluctant start. Like, that's where these guys are right now. Like Hall, Judkins and Genti for me. Are all such reluctant starts.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah. Are they reluctant?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Have them all in various leagues and not thrilled about it?

[Dave Richard]

Closer to sits.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

They would be sits if we had better options.

[Dave Richard]

Is running back bad, too?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

At the tail end of it, yeah.

[Heath Cummings]

It's a lot better than wide receiver, in my opinion, but it's just like everything's kind of bad.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

All right. Well, I, I wonder if that's because we're coming off such a bad fantasy week, you know where.

[Heath Cummings]

Well, I think it's because, like, I, I looked at it. I haven't looked at the running back position, but you look at ADP from the beginning of the year. Fifteen of the top 36 wide receivers are not playing this week.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

No.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah.

[Heath Cummings]

Like. And we've got a. A dozen running back committees, so. Or more so. Yeah. It's just the. The game has been a little different this year than. Than past years.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

True.

[Dave Richard]

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[Heath Cummings]

I have a stat of the game for you.

[Dave Richard]

Let's do it. Let's do it here.

[Heath Cummings]

And I actually am going to actually quote the person who put it on Twitter as opposed to just saying some random person put it on Twitter. Curtis seibold from Sports Radio 810 the Chiefs are the 15th team since 1990 to be 500 or worse this late in the season and be favored against a team with a winning percentage over.800.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Oh, wow.

[Heath Cummings]

The previous 14 teams are 14. 0.

[Dave Richard]

I mean the, the Colts. Oh, that's funny. Wow.

[Heath Cummings]

And 12.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Oh.

[Heath Cummings]

And two against the spread.

[Dave Richard]

When the Colts beat the Broncos in week two, I think it was, it was pretty eye opening they've had. Who else did they beat? They won at the Chargers. Right. They've had some good wins, but it's gonna be a tough game for them. So let's do the Colts. Here we go. Daniel Jones is a sit for you guys. He's 15th, 16th. Any Caleb Williams or Daniel Jones.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Do you know what quarterbacks have done in the five games in Kansas City?

[Dave Richard]

No.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

It's a pretty good list. So you have Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson left in the game, but obviously we're not playing well before then. Jared Goff is the only one to go over 20 fantasy points. Ironically enough, outdoors, Mariota had a 13 point game. Who am I missing?

[Dave Richard]

Well, Justin Herbert was not in Kansas City. Right. I think that was a Chief's home game. But that was in Brazil.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

No. Anyway, five quarterbacks, they have not done well in in Kansas City. So as Heath said, it's basically been one good road game for Daniel Jones so far this season. And it was the game in Los Angeles, one of the two. And so outdoors. This has just not been where he's thrived so far this season. He's 17 and a half points or less in every outdoor game if you factor in the one in Germany. So this is just not the best scenario for him.

[Dave Richard]

Start Jonathan Taylor.

[Heath Cummings]

Yes.

[Dave Richard]

Start Tyler Warren?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yep.

[Dave Richard]

All right, let's get a little bit deeper. Heath, I asked you, you know, for the brief, what do you feel about the wide receivers? You know, what do you talk. Talk to me about the Colts wide receivers here. And you've got Alec Pierce, who's having, I don't want to say historic, but an unusual season. Someone with his a dot to get this many targets. He's got. He's one of the leaders in air yards in the NFL. You know, it's really exciting if you can keep getting targets, but there are a lot of games with like five targets in there. So how are we feeling?

[Heath Cummings]

I was going to say, like he has had a lot of targets lately for sure. He had 13 against the Steelers. He had 10 against the Chargers. He has one other game this season with more than five targets. So that's why he's boom, bust. That's why the bust potential exists is he could have four or five targets in this game. He remarkably led the NFL in. He averaged more yards per reception last year than this year. 22 yards per catch last year, 20.9 this year.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Wow.

[Heath Cummings]

May lead the league in yards per catch two years in a row, but still with that profile, he catches 53% of his targets because every throw is 20 yards downfield. And if you have five targets in the game, it might be a two or three catch game. So that there's the upside that he could score 10 points on most, just about any given play. But there's the downside that he could score five points in the game.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And I think just to the overall theme of, you know, we'll probably talk about this with this late tomorrow too. Like with the receivers being as bad as they are. Like, for me, I'm going to take a chance on this player more so than a Jacksonville receiver, for example, because the targets may be the same. It's not like Jacoby Myers, for example, is getting an exceptional amount of volume right now. And Parker Washington, same thing. You know, Jared Trevor Lawrence has been under 30 past temps each the last two weeks. So, like, I'll take a chance on this type of player where I think we're going to see the Colts have to throw a little bit more than normal. And so what, he's done 20 targets his last two weeks. I think they've tried to unleash him, and I think that they will continue to try to unleash him, whether it's successful or not. That remains to be seen. Tough matchup, but I like the setup here for Pierce more so than most.

[Dave Richard]

Would you start him over the. The kind of safe Khalil Shakir, Wandale Robinsons of the world.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I think I have him ahead of both those guys. Robinson's the one that will probably be swayed by Darius Slayton. Not that we're ranking Slayton, but I think if Slayton's ruled out as much as Isaiah Hodgins was basically Slayton, I'll probably bump Wando up a couple spots. But Shakira against the Texans. I'd rather start Pierce against the Chiefs.

[Dave Richard]

Heath, same question to you.

[Heath Cummings]

I'll start Robinson and Shakir over Alec.

[Dave Richard]

Pierce and then Josh Downs. That he crack your top 36 this week?

[Heath Cummings]

Yes, he did not.

[Dave Richard]

Okay.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

He's won that game, really, in his last five. And so again, somebody. This is like a Charger situation. Somebody's going to get left out. Somebody's going to have a decent game. You know, you. You kind of just base it on, I think either recency bias or, you know, who's got the most upside. And I don't know how you want to view it. Clearly, matchups are going to come into play as well. Pittman's been the most consistent. Pierce is the one that's hot lately. Downs has just kind of quietly been in that. He's basically been a shakir, you know, 11 to 12 PPR points on. On a bad week prior to the last game where we only had a minimum amount of targets like I think somebody is going to have. So there'll be two guys that have decent production in this game.

[Heath Cummings]

I think the key for Downs has just been does he score a touchdown? Like he didn't have a touchdown the first five games that he played this season. He had three in a row. And so he had good fantasy production. He doesn't have a game with 60 yards this year.

[Dave Richard]

Okay, next up, we got Mahomes. Bounce back from a Homes.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, should be. He's been great at home. Absolutely fantastic at home.

[Dave Richard]

Drake May or Mahomes?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

May. May.

[Dave Richard]

Jared Golf from a Homes.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Golf for me. But that's close.

[Heath Cummings]

I have my Homes one spot higher.

[Dave Richard]

All right, Star Patrick Mahomes, before his last two games at Buffalo and at Denver, he had scored 28.7 or more fantasy points in five straight games. So the Chiefs running backs are they avoids now. Assuming Pacheco plays. Yes.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I still think Hunt's a flex. You know, you're talking about touchdown potential. How much will they give Pacheco in his first game back? It's not as much optimism, clearly, because Pacheco is Going to be healthy. But it's not like Pacheco was the dominant running back in this backfield.

[Dave Richard]

Rashee Rice bounce back. Easy start.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yep. Yep.

[Dave Richard]

Okay. And remember that. So this, this secondary for the Colts kind of looks pretty good. They've got Kenny Moore back. He missed some time. He's their slot guy. They obviously have Sauce Gardner now, and they just opened the practice window for Charvarius Ward, who's had a concussion. So Colts defense used to be kind of a, I think a fantasy layup, but I don't know that it is anymore. But obviously you're starting with Shoe Rice. But in this horrible wide receiver week, what about Xavier Worthy?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Heath?

[Heath Cummings]

I really don't want to start him.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

He.

[Heath Cummings]

The nice thing is he's getting the downfield opportunities. The bad thing is he and Patrick Mahomes for the second straight year can't get on the same page on those opportunities. Sometimes it's Mahomes makes a bad throw, sometimes it's Worthy makes a bad play on the ball. He is a top 36 wide receiver, but he's closer to the bottom of the wide receiver 3 range than the top of the wide receiver 3 range. I think Jamie or Dave for today's show put Jordan Addison as a sit and I agree with that. But I would start Jordan Addison over Xavier Worthy.

[Dave Richard]

Would you start? Oh, let's see. Josh Downs or Xavier worthy?

[Heath Cummings]

Worthy for me.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Jamie Downs for me.

[Dave Richard]

Okay. And who's the best tight end in this game?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I would go Warren, but it wouldn't surprise me if Kelsey's better. They're basically back to back.

[Heath Cummings]

They are back to back for me. And I've got Kelsey one spot higher. Another fun stat of the game. Kelsey is on pace for the fourth highest receiving yardage total for a player not a tight end. A player 36 or older.

[Dave Richard]

Wow. Listen, stat of the game is kind of my thing, Heath.

[Heath Cummings]

Well, I mean, you should have some better ones. The top. The top three in that number. Oh, 40 year old Jerry Rice, 39 year old Jerry Rice, 36 year old.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I was gonna say Rice has to be up there. I didn't realize all three.

[Heath Cummings]

Rice has all. All of the top three seasons.

[Dave Richard]

That's awesome. That's a great stat of the game. One of your. One of your best questions from the chat. Chiefs DST or the Raiders against the Browns?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I would go Chiefs. Just because Daniel Jones sacked 10 times in his last two games and a lot of turnovers in that span too. Like there's a big opportunity here for the Chiefs DST they're both top 12.

[Heath Cummings]

But I would go Chiefs.

[Dave Richard]

So I've got for Daniel Jones in his last two games, 12 sacks, four interceptions, six fumbles, three of them lost. Josh Downs or Chimary DK or Trey Tucker?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I'll go down.

[Heath Cummings]

I've got it. Tucker Downs, DK and DK's in the concussion protocol, right?

[Dave Richard]

No, he probably. He practiced. I think he had a chest injury.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Right.

[Heath Cummings]

Chest injury.

[Dave Richard]

I think so. All right, that's it for the Chiefs and the colts. The Chiefs DST just in general is about. What are they? 9th, 9th and 8th for you guys? A little bit lower for Dave. Unless they might not be updated but they're start worthy. Pittsburgh is at Chicago. Stat of the game Heath, what do you got?

[Heath Cummings]

You know, I'll see what yours is like and see if I need to add another one.

[Dave Richard]

Well, it's just a weird one. I don't really get it but the Steelers see the most pass attempts in the NFL. Nine straight quarterbacks have thrown 33 or more passes against the Steelers. Four of them through 46 or more passes. So. And Romo Dunesay has has a 21 target share or better in almost every game. So if we can get 33 or more pass attempts from Caleb Williams then we, you know, that should make you feel better about that their passing game.

[Heath Cummings]

But it's, it's kind of a battle of two trends because the Bears have gone a lot more run heavy since they're buy which has been part of the problem for Roma Dunes. So whether or not Swift and Manangai have success may determine whether or not Odunse is good.

[Dave Richard]

All right, so if we talk we we're kind of reluctant to start Caleb Williams. He's about 12th in the rankings. So you'd start Jacoby Brissette over him. Let's see. Would you start. You wouldn't start a Steelers quarterback over Caleb William?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

No, no, no.

[Dave Richard]

Would you start Sam Darnold at Tennessee?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I would.

[Heath Cummings]

I would not.

[Dave Richard]

And then how do we feel about DeAndre Swift this week?

[Heath Cummings]

Heath, he is an RB2 right in the definitely ahead of that range. I think of the RB2s you don't want to start. He is an okay RB2 as opposed to a reluctant RB2.

[Dave Richard]

Jamie, who's the best running back in this game?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Steelers starter. If it's only Gainwell for sure. Probably Steelers starter anyway if Jalen Warren is healthy. Yep. If Jalen Warren is going to be playing on a limited capacity and we have this oh no tandem potential crap, then I would probably lean towards Swift, but he's also in a tandem potential crap. So I probably just go, if, if you tell me right now Warren's playing, I'll probably go, warren Swift, Gainwell Menangai in ppr.

[Dave Richard]

And then someone's asks, are we assuming that Aaron Rodgers is out?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

So he said he's going to try and practice today. I'm gonna go under the assumption he's not playing because if they still consider themselves a playoff team, why would you risk it one week after him playing with a broken wrist? Like let it heal for a little bit. But listen, he's going to try and play. It's his non throwing hand. So at this point there's very much uncertainty. We'll have a better idea after practice today. So if he doesn't practice today, then I would probably think no, but he spoke to the media yesterday and said that he's going to try and go out there.

[Heath Cummings]

I would not change a Steelers pass catcher projection based on this.

[Dave Richard]

Okay. And is there any interest in starting Rogers or, or Rudolph? The Bears give up the sixth most fantasy points to quarterbacks.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

So I, I think if you're just looking at it like do you want a less than 100 Aaron Rodgers, who if he takes a shot to his wrist and the pain is too much, he's going to leave the game. I would feel more comfortable at this point with Mason Rudolph. And look, last year, 18 or more fantasy points in four of his eight appearances for the Titans. He's not horrible in these spots, especially when the matchup is favorable. And really to me it's more about DK Metcalf because we saw last year when Rudolph was playing, he was better for Calvin Ridley. We saw it two years ago for Pickens. Right. I think it was two years ago. Yeah. For George Pickens in, in Pittsburgh. Like, I think it actually might benefit DK Metcalf that Rudolph might push the ball down the field with a little bit more success.

[Dave Richard]

So Metcalf, I assume would be the second best wide receiver in this game?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

For Me, yes.

[Dave Richard]

Metcalf vs. The Colts wide receivers, how would you rank them?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I have him behind both Pittman and Pierce.

[Heath Cummings]

I'd go, Pittman, Metcalf, Pierce.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

To me, Metcalf and Pierce are almost very similar at this point.

[Dave Richard]

Well, they're completely different players right now though.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Right. But I think with Rudolph it changes a little bit.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, I mean, they're similar in terms of. There's a lot of risk and some potential too. You know, look, he's still the number one option on the team. The Bears are 24th against wide receivers.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

So it's. Ordinarily the Bears would be a passing defense that we'd be excited to start players against. We can't start a Pittsburgh tight end.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Right. They're getting Kyler Gordon back, too, potentially.

[Dave Richard]

That's true. I think he's their slot receiver, their slot corner.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

But still, it helps secondary.

[Dave Richard]

So we can't start Pittsburgh tight end.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I don't know how you can after they flopped against the Bengals.

[Dave Richard]

Well, Washington didn't.

[Heath Cummings]

One of them will be good. You have no idea which one.

[Dave Richard]

I love Darnell Washington. He's become my favorite player. He's 311 pounds.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

You saw the interview.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, right. Was that cool? He's talking to Monroe St. Brown. They're like, how much do you weigh? Or listen to his 270. He's like, I'm 311, so I'm going to keep it a buck. I'm 311. And he's just running people over. It's amazing. But too unreliable. All right, so the bears. DeAndre Swift. We already talked about him. We already talked about Romo Dunes.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

A.

[Dave Richard]

He's. He's a guy you have to start this week. Romo Dunes or Michael Pittman?

[Heath Cummings]

Pitman.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I'd go Pitman.

[Dave Richard]

Romo Dunesay or Ashton Genti and Breece hall and Quinn. John Judkins.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I would go Dunes. A ppr.

[Heath Cummings]

I would go all of them over.

[Dave Richard]

It didn't say, oh, you're just not. You're just nervous.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

He's.

[Dave Richard]

Because he's too. Too bad.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah.

[Heath Cummings]

I mean, I guess if we're gonna.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

He's.

[Heath Cummings]

He's kind of doing the command of Idle thing, so. Last week was a bad week. So this is supposed to be a good week for him, but it's just that the floor is extremely low for him right now.

[Dave Richard]

It really is. Really is. 6.1 or fewer fantasy points in four of his last six games. Holy cow. Okay. And DJ Moore. We're not going to start. Luther Burdens. A Stash. Colson Loveland. Jamie, starter.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Sit, Sit. There's just too many better tight ends. And with Cole Comet there, it's too risky.

[Dave Richard]

Which DST do you like better?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Steelers.

[Dave Richard]

Heath.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah.

[Heath Cummings]

The Steelers.

[Dave Richard]

No, if you want to start the Steelers because their defense is playing well. The Bears are a bad matchup. They don't turn the ball over and they don't take sacks. They could always take sacks if Caleb Williams stops. I think he's like, coated in rubber. You cannot tackle this guy, people just bounce off of him. But they're giving up the third fewest fantasy points DSTs, and Chicago's DST has actually been all right this season. These low end DSTs I think here. Okay.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, you can make a case for either one.

[Dave Richard]

All right, we'll take a break.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Look, if it's, if it's a banged up Rogers, he's going to be, I'm sure, tentative. It's Mason Rudolph. There's always potential for him to, you know, be turnover prone. So you can make a strong case for the Bears, too.

[Dave Richard]

Jacksonville's at Arizona. When we come back, I'll give you a great stat on Trey McBride. Won't be as good as Heath stat on Trey McBride, but I'll try. We'll be right back. The Subaru Share the Love Event is on from November 20th to January 2nd. During this event, Subaru donates to charities like the ASPCA, helping support more than 142,000 animals so far. When you purchase or lease a new vehicle during the 2025 Subaru Share the Love Event, Subaru and its retailers will make a minimum $300 donation to charity. Visit subaru.comshare to learn more.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

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[Dave Richard]

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[Dave Richard]

In five games with Jacoby Brissette, Trey McBride is averaging 24.5 PPR fantasy points per game. That's almost as much as Jacoby Brissette is averaging in six point per pass in touchdown leagues. And in that stretch that would be good enough to tie him as wide receiver. One with Drake London, Trey McBride is on pace for 20 touchdowns in five games with Jacoby Brissette starters at Trey McBride. Okay, we'll start Trey McBride. All right this game here, let's get into the Trevor Lawrence is a sit let's get into the Jacksonville running backs. Heath, what do you expect as you the rankings here are very different when you look at ETN versus Tutini for Jamie compared to Heath.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah, assuming Tuton is playing, I expect pretty close to a 5050 or hot hand approach in Jacksonville in the first half of their game last week, both ETN and Tuton had a 46% SNAP share. Tut actually had a higher rush share than ATN and scored the first touchdown in the game and was running much better. ETN mostly made his hay after Tootin went out, and so it'll be ETN over Tootin for me. But they are at the low end RB2 range. Neither one a true must start.

[Dave Richard]

And Jamie, you're a little bit different there. There's a bit. There's a more of a spread between ETN and Tutin for you.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I'm just looking at it from the standpoint of, you know, last week Tootin popped and did a great job. Hurt his ankle. How much work will they give him coming off the ankle? ETN's still been consistently the more productive guy, the more used guy. And I think in a spot like this where, you know, both will be someone involved, I'm gonna give E10 a little bit more the benefit of doubt. So to me, tunes a flex. ETN's a very solid number two running back.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, this is a big rankings discrepancy here. Jamie and Dave have ETN in the top 12, and Heath has ETN 26 and 2 and 27.

[Heath Cummings]

He's up to. I think he's up 23rd now.

[Dave Richard]

23Rd. Okay. And the thing is, it's a really good matchup. The Cardinals are struggling against the run. A running back has scored 12, at least 12.4, which isn't great, but it's not a bad floor. 12.4 or more PPR fantasy points against Arizona in all but one game, and they're giving up four and a half yards per carry.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I do find this interesting. And, you know, our projections are, I think, very good, especially comparatively to the industry. If Thomas can find this. Our sports line projections have Basho Tootin in tandem with Travis Etienne, projected for more points than Emmanuel Wilson without Josh Jacobs being projected for anything.

[Dave Richard]

So basically, more points for the Jaguars running backs than the Packers.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

More points for the backup Jaguars running back than the starting running back for the packers right now.

[Dave Richard]

Oh, oh, I'm sorry, I thought you. You said in tandem. I thought you meant combined. You're saying, oh, that is so interesting.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Jacksonville running back. So take. I'll. I'll make it more simple. We have Tootin projected for more points than Emmanuel Wilson, and that's not including Jacobs getting any numbers. Wow.

[Dave Richard]

There's no way you guys would start tooting over. I would not.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

But Sportsline is very excited about Basil Tootin and. And this role. And still excited about etn, but not excited about Emmanuel Wilson, which makes some sense. I mean, look, the, the packers offense right now is not exactly great and they're facing a pretty solid run defense.

[Dave Richard]

Minnesota. Okay, Jacksonville wide receivers. Jamie, break this down.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I think you got to give Jacoby Myers the benefit of the doubt as number three receiver based on what we saw last week. Six targets, five catches. But we are still talking about a receiver that was single digits in PPR for every week since week two prior to last week. So, you know, put whatever, you know, intangible you want in there just because of, you know, frustration with the Raiders, injuries, new team, he's still getting comfortable, all those things. Parker Washington, I think took a little bit of a step back last week as Myers took a step forward. Breton Strange could play this week. I think we'll find out hopefully by Friday for sure, but maybe today. Sounds like Brian Thomas Jr. May still be out one more week, but that's something to keep an eye on at this point. We just haven't seen a lot of past attempts for Trevor Lawrence last two games. And so if they're chasing points, which they could be, then we see a little bit more volume. It benefits both guys. But I'm going to treat Jacoby Myers and Parker Washington in that order as number three receivers. Just hoping that Myers can still be in that sort of 11 point range.

[Dave Richard]

Just one thing to point out, right, six targets for Myers last week. They only threw 22 passes. He ran 84% of the routes, 83% of the routes. So I don't know, maybe, maybe he's somewhat reliable. Wide receiver, two, three and yeah, I mean Jamie just broke it down. I don't have to repeat it. And obviously we'll keep you updated tomorrow on Brian Thomas Jr. This is why you got to listen to the mailbag episode. This is why you have to join us on Sunday because things do change quite a bit between now and then as we get more injury information. Heath, you said Brenton Strange would be a low end starter. Arizona is so bad against tight ends. So would you start if you knew. If I told you today Brenton Strange is playing, would you start Dalton Schultz against the Bills or Brenton Strange?

[Heath Cummings]

You'd be really, really close. I'd probably just stick with Schultz for one more week. And strangers first came back.

[Dave Richard]

All right, would you start Harold Fannon Jr. Or Brenton Strange? Probably be Fanon, Dallas Goddard or Strange. Got her. All right, you see where Strange what mix he's in. Jamie, who are some players? Yeah, it is, right? Who are some players you would Start Jacoby Brissette over.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I would start him over. Daniel Jones, I'd start him over. Caleb Williams, I'd start him over. Sam Darnold, I start him over. Joe Flacco, I'd start him over. I don't know how much more you want to keep going.

[Dave Richard]

You think he's going to get to his, you know, 24ish points?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

It's hard to bet against it. I mean, you know, clearly the Chargers vomited all over themselves or I just jinxed them, but it was a bad day for Justin Herbert, and every other quarterback prior to that had just dominated this defense. So with the way Brissette is playing, there's very, very murky situation with this backfield right now because you got both D. Mercado and Bam Knight dealing with ankle injuries, and DeMercado's already been ruled out. Benson now activated off IR of the practice window at least, so maybe he returns and that just makes them into a better rushing team or they just continue to, you know, struggle and have to throw the ball. I just think the body of work right now for Jacoby Brissette warrants him being trusted as a starter. So I'll just tell you for myself, like, I have two Caleb Williams teams, and I picked up Jacoby Brissette, and I'm starting Brissette over him. Over him. Just based on. Over Williams. Excuse me. Just based on the upside. Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

Well, that really pisses me off because I also have Caleb Williams, and I was dying to pick up Jacoby Brissette, but I don't know if I can't do this right now. This. This remind me, if we have time at the end of the show, which we won't, to go on, this little fantasy aside, just do it now. All right? Do you find that your quarterback waiver wire is better, Your quarterback waiver wire depth is better in your expert or analyst or podcast leagues than it is in your casual friends leagues?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Of course.

[Heath Cummings]

I. I've even found this year, though, that the quarterback waiver wire has just been worse almost everywhere than it usually is. But yes.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, man, in my home leagues, I can't get a quarterback for. For the life of me on the waiver wire and the CBS leagues, the expert leagues, whatever, they're everywhere.

[Heath Cummings]

That's why you need to draft the.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Most, is our IDP league. There's just, like, so many good ones available.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, I know. It's crazy. All right, so. So Arizona, I is. This is a tough game. I think this is a one of the tougher games to preview and it's because of the uncertainty. The fact not only is there uncertainty in Arizona backfield, but they also have a terrible matchup against a really good run defense. And then you've got Michael Wilson, who I'm really hoping is not the next Parker Washington or something like that, but we don't think he is. We just keeping it simple. He's a start. Start him. But Heath, what are your thoughts right now on the Cardinals backfield which again tune in Friday, Saturday, Sunday as we keep you updated on this backfield.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah, we are not expecting D. Mercado to play right now. We are currently ranking Knight. Knight would be a flex, top play 30 running back, but not a top 24 running back. Michael Carter, a low inflex. It probably plays more of that D. Mercado role. If Trey Benson gets a full practice in today and we start feeling good about him, then he'll be ranked higher than than Donovan Knight currently is. But it's probably still not a top 24 guy. Just very high inflex.

[Dave Richard]

So Tootin or Knight?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Tutin Jamie Night for me.

[Dave Richard]

Genti and Judkins or Bam Knight?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Genti and Judkins. Yep.

[Dave Richard]

This is assuming D. Mercado is out. Assuming Benson is also out, would you start D. Mercado or Jacoby Myers? Bam Knight or Jacoby Myers?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I would start Myers and ppr.

[Heath Cummings]

Let me check. I think I've got Knight just a little bit higher.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, I mean it's interesting. Like Knights just. He had four catches last week. Obviously they threw 57 times. He hasn't been running that well lately. Jimmy, give me 30 seconds on your expectations for Bam Knight.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

As I said before or a lot this week. Every game since J. James Connor has been hurt. So factoring Week 5 on at least one running back for the Cardinals has been 9.4 PPR points or more. It's been a lot of shared touches. Michael Carter, Knight, Di Mercado, Di Mercado and Knight. Knight and Carter, you know, just different guys finding a way to be somewhat productive. So it would kind of be fascinating if it's Knight and Carter, just based on how they've kind of viewed Carter recently. I think if Benson starts and they're comfortable enough to use him in somewhat of a featured role, that would be exciting to me and I would consider him at least a flex. I think you got to treat them all as just kind of flex plays because there's still going to be some sort of sharing going on. Jacksonville's run defense has been amazing for the majority of the season. And so it's not going to be easy regardless of it. But I would like to see personally, especially if you don't have to use Trey Benson, let him play, get this to shake the rust off game and then maybe we have a potential league winner from week 13 on.

[Dave Richard]

Okay. And the Cardinals DST is not in the top 12, but you could. You could use them. They've been not. I'm sorry, the Jaguars. The Jaguars dst, You could use them. They have been solid this year, up and down like most DSTs. But they also have Tennessee next week. So it's a reason to go ahead.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And add the rest of season schedule. There. There's is one of the more favorable ones and Tampa Base is one of the more favorable ones. So, like, if you're looking to stash DSTs, these are two good ones. I think the Jaguars you can use this week. And I think. Or I don't think I know as good as Jacoby Brissette has been, he's taken some sacks and he's definitely had turnovers. Four turnovers in the last two games.

[Dave Richard]

All right, real quick, I'm gonna do some questions here. Wilson, Michael Wilson. Urge. Kobe Myers. Wilson, Wilson, Lawrence Flacco, Caleb Darnold.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

One or two, I don't know.

[Dave Richard]

It says super flex, but I would.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Go Flacco, Darnold Williams, Lawrence.

[Heath Cummings]

Flacco, Caleb Darnold, Lawrence.

[Dave Richard]

No, Flacco, Caleb Lawrence, Darnold, Michael Wilson or Quinchon Judkins? Wilson, Wilson, Jacoby Brissette or Baker Mayfield?

[Heath Cummings]

Brissette.

[Dave Richard]

Bam Knight or Darius Slayton if he plays Bam.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Oh, that's a good 1/2 ppr. Probably go bam.

[Dave Richard]

And Brissette or Purdy.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I go back and forth on these two so much. Right now I have Brissette one spot.

[Heath Cummings]

Higher, but sorry, Purdy for me.

[Dave Richard]

Brissette or Golf?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Golf Go off.

[Dave Richard]

All right, New England's at Cincinnati. We've talked a lot about the running backs here. Let's go through New England really quickly here. Drake May is a top two quarterback. Start him. Stefan Diggs is a. Is an easy start, right?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

So he revealed yesterday that he's been playing with a broken finger and obviously has not impacted his production. He's got a touchdown or 100 yards receiving in four straight games. Like, given the matchup, I think it's just an easy start.

[Dave Richard]

Any other Patriots wide receivers, Heath, that you'd be interested in?

[Heath Cummings]

I think if I had to K Sean Booty would be my second favorite. But he's. He's more of a touchdown dependent flex. You hope he catches one long pass.

[Dave Richard]

Would you start Booty or Josh Downs?

[Heath Cummings]

Booty for me.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Same.

[Dave Richard]

Okay. Booty or Alec Pierce?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

The Bengals are actually pretty good at eliminating the deep ball, but the Patriots are so good at completing the deep ball. It's an interesting battle here.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Just as Mike Grapple said this week on the Cincinnati. Because I really hope he has.

[Dave Richard]

I don't know, does he say that? Does he do that?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

That's like the famous Belichick quote.

[Dave Richard]

I know that, but Mike's rabel doesn't.

[Heath Cummings]

Seem like to me like the kind of guy that's trying to be cute.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, it's actually his.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

His press conferences are great. He gives. I forget I pronounced her last name from the Boston Herald, but Karen starts with G. He gives her the first question every week. She's been, I think in jury duty this week. So he started every press conference with somebody else. It's kind of been a gag.

[Dave Richard]

If you go back to the one question for each game. If you want to hear about Travion Henderson or Madre Stevenson, Jamie isn't too affected by Ramondre playing. If he does play in the terms of his rankings of Travion Henderson, Heath is. So just go back and listen to that. Hunter Henry against this incredible matchup, Bengals give up the most fantasy points to tight ends Hunter Henry or Brenton Strange if he plays Henry.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah, I'll probably go Henry.

[Dave Richard]

Hunter Henry or Brock Wright against Giants.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Henry's a top 12 tight end. Brock Wright might not be in my top 24.

[Heath Cummings]

Brock Wright is in my top 24. But it would be Henry.

[Dave Richard]

Brock Wright sneakily had seven targets last week. I think seven or eight. He just didn't do anything with him. Hunter Henry or Kyle Pitts. Okay, moving on to the Bengals, how much confidence do you have in Joe Flacco if he plays? If he starts without Jamar Chase Heath.

[Heath Cummings]

I've got him at QB13 right now. I'd still start him over Baker and Daniel Jones, but a borderline starter.

[Dave Richard]

Jamie, you pretty much agree you guys have him 12th and 13th.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, I mean, I start Baker over him, but same range.

[Dave Richard]

You guys are pretty different on Chase Brown. And we got into this a little bit later but a little bit earlier in one question for each game. But let's do it again here. Jamie. I see. Let me just double check the rankings. Chase Brown 16th, 14th and Heath seventh and Dave has him 10th. So look, he's a start, but I'll actually let Heath make the case Here, since you have him seventh. Yeah.

[Heath Cummings]

I mean, he's got 22 targets over his last two games. And Jamar Chase isn't playing.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

It's a.

[Heath Cummings]

It's a bad matchup in terms of rushing efficiency, but he is back to playing 80 plus percent of the snaps. Just the clear, dark, dominant, white RB1 in this offense. And he's being targeted at a very high rate because Joe Flacco doesn't want to take sacks. And so I. I think you see he may lead all running backs and catches this week.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And to that point, like the Patriots, I think prior to maybe the last two games, like, they just been miserable against pass catching, running back. So it should be a very good game for him. There's just other guys I like better. I mean, you're starting Chase, bro.

[Dave Richard]

Okay, T. Higgins, you feel the same way, Just like automatic.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, he's gonna get Christian Gonzalez, but I still think there's just too much opportunities, too many, too many targets coming his way for you to avoid T. Higgins this week by any stretch.

[Dave Richard]

So if Diggs and Higgins are. Are easy calls, who's your favorite? Who's your next best wide receiver in this game? Yoshi Higgins.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And digs are easy calls. Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

Like who's. Who's wide receiver three in this game.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I would take a chance on Yoshibas just with the expected target bump. Yep.

[Dave Richard]

You were unfazed by what I told you yesterday. There's not a lot of him playing without Chase. There's only one game, and he did have eight targets, but that was two years ago.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

You're. You're. You're trying and you're not doing the wrong thing, but you're trying to put him into a box without Joe Flacco and without Chase. Like, there's just so many moving parts for the Bengals that have changed in this scenario. So he already has one game with Flacco in the five starts that he's looked good when he's had a target bump, and I think that'll be the case this week.

[Dave Richard]

Okay, fair enough. Yoshavas or facial Tootin ppr?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I'll take Joshua.

[Dave Richard]

Okay. How about Noah Fant? How does he compare to Hunter, Henry, Heath?

[Heath Cummings]

No, I can't. That's what Jamie said a couple years ago. It's. It's Henry.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

This one is fascinating because if Kaseki plays or not. So if Kaseki's out, then I think Fan is. Is not far from Henry. If Kaseki plays, does he automatically step into that role that he's sort of dominated when one of the guys. One of the guys have been missing.

[Dave Richard]

So the weird thing is, and it's.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Been Higgins that's been missing.

[Dave Richard]

Noah fan. If you look at his. His route participation rate, it's not high at all. One game over 50%. But with or without Micah Sicki, it hasn't really changed. And neither have his targets for the most part.

[Heath Cummings]

He's usually kind of. No, they're kind of a Steelers team in terms of their tight ends. Like, there's been a week where there's been more targets for other guys. They have like four tight ends that they play and none of them play. A full compliment run, a full complement of the routes.

[Dave Richard]

You guys trying to get away from the Patriots DST this week?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yes and no. I have a couple leagues where, like, their schedule is just so good to close the season. You can't really afford to drop. At least for me, I can't afford to drop them. But look, we saw the worst of Joe Flacco last week, and it wouldn't be surprising if that shows up again. There's no Jamar Chase. He's playing with a shoulder injury. You know, this is still a really good defense. They're going to frustrate him. He takes hits.

[Dave Richard]

So would you start the Jaguars against the Cardinals or the Patriots at the Bengals?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Still the Patriots, but that's close. Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

How about the Bears Steelers game? Patriots DST or one of those DSTs?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I think I have the Steelers higher, but I may need to reevaluate that. But they're all in the same similar range.

[Heath Cummings]

Steelers are the best.

[Dave Richard]

Patriots have had two terrible games in a row. Their DST against Atlanta and at Tampa Bay. They were really good before that, though. All right. Cleveland's at Las Vegas. Sorry. You know what? I think there's some chat questions real quick here. Let's see. Sit one in half. Ppr. James Cook, Javante Williams, Travion Henderson or Teteroa McMillan. Jamie was at Javante, Heath was at Henderson. But if Ramandre is out. No, he would not sit Henderson.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Right.

[Dave Richard]

Henry or Juwan Johnson.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Johnson.

[Dave Richard]

Pick two of these three. Breeze Hall, Travion Henderson, Devonte Adams.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I'm sitting Hall.

[Heath Cummings]

Depends on if Henderson play or if Stevenson plays. If Stevenson plays, I'm sitting Henderson. If he doesn't, I'm sitting Hole.

[Dave Richard]

Drake May or Lamar Jackson?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

May Lamar for me, but that's number one and number two.

[Dave Richard]

Ah, okay.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

So I should probably move Lamar down with this other injury.

[Dave Richard]

Okay. Cleveland's at Las Vegas and I think.

[Heath Cummings]

The Next three now, right.

[Dave Richard]

The next three games. What's that?

[Heath Cummings]

Isn't this when you start singing, play music.

[Dave Richard]

It's the lame of the week.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

Unless this is game in some foreign country. I need to get the translator out. All right. Cleveland at Las Vegas. The next three games are honestly pretty easy here. Who are you excited to start? Heath in Cleveland at Las Vegas.

[Heath Cummings]

Excited to start? Yeah, I mean I'm excited to start Brock Bowers. I. I'm pretty conf. I'm confidently starting both of the running backs, Genti and Judkins.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

That's it. Jamie excited Bowers and that's it. And Brown's dst.

[Dave Richard]

Let's get some Genti Judkins questions from the chat if you've got them. I'd love to hear what you're considering there. Michael Wilson over these guys.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yep.

[Dave Richard]

And just to go into it, right, Judkins, he has scored in his last five games. 13.8, 3.6. This would be his last six games. 13.8, 3Point6, 26.4, 4Point7, 10Point5, 5Point9 fantasy points. He's getting no push, no help from the offensive line. Genti, I think. What did you say earlier, Jamie? Single digit PPR and four games this.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Season he's been single digits ppr two of his last four.

[Dave Richard]

Two of his last four have been great though. And one of them was against Jacksonville and they were great run defense and he scored 20 points, scored 15.3 points against the Broncos. I can't imagine they're going to be as pass heavy as they were last week. That did not work out for them. So Heath, you have, you have a lot more faith in Genti. You have him 12th. Yeah.

[Heath Cummings]

And it's again, it's just the targets over the last few games and the fact that the game script doesn't look like a blowout. So I don't expect them to go as pass heavy as they did last week. I think like the Raiders have not been a super pass heavy team this year except for when they are facing an offense they can't stop and they can probably stop the Browns.

[Dave Richard]

You know, someone said I'm surprised that we haven't gotten more Kenneth Gainwell questions. And I think if. If Jalen Warren doesn't start and we're going back to that game, Kenneth Gainwell is such. Is. Is definitely a start. I mean he's. You should start it. That's why I didn't go into it. But I apologize for that. But comparing that situation, Steelers running backs to the Browns and Raiders running backs. Jamie, how do you feel about that?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I like the Steelers running backs much better.

[Dave Richard]

So if Warren plays are going to start him over both these guys easily? Heath.

[Heath Cummings]

If Warren plays on a like he doesn't practice all week and then gets a limited session in on Friday, I'll probably have him between Genti and Judkins. But yes, gain Wells easily over both guys. Okay.

[Dave Richard]

If Warren's out, let me read some questions then. Judkins or Swift ppr.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Swift.

[Dave Richard]

Ah, Swift, Genti or Montgomery?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Half ppr Montgomery.

[Dave Richard]

Wow. Jamie, you really don't don't want to start Genty Judkins or Jalen Warren or Devonte Smith?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Warren and Smith over Judkins. Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

Judkins or Juwan Jennings? Judkins Jenkins, Woody Marks or Ashton? Genti?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Marks.

[Heath Cummings]

I've got Genti.

[Dave Richard]

I look forward to answering more of your Genti and Judkins questions on Saturday. Trey Tucker or these running backs?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

The running backs, yeah.

[Dave Richard]

Okay. Trey Tucker or let's just go back to Josh Downs.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Tucker Downs.

[Dave Richard]

Tucker or Xavier Worthy?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Tucker.

[Dave Richard]

Tucker start. Bowers start. Both DSTs could be good. We like the Browns DST better but both of them could be worth using this week. Seattle at Tennessee. Any titan that you want to start in this game?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Nope. No.

[Dave Richard]

Who's the best sleeper Titan?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Dk. Now that he's healthy, I'd probably say Pollard.

[Dave Richard]

Not Okonkwo.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I just think now that you have at least one of the receivers with the splits that we're seeing at the tight end spot for them still could be Okonko, but.

[Dave Richard]

I'm sorry, why isn't Darnold higher? He's I think 14th and 18th for you guys. 10, 13 for me. 13th and that's not too low.

[Heath Cummings]

Why would Darnold be higher?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Because Tennessee type of game where he's.

[Dave Richard]

Actually done well in some senses. Yeah. But you do have to maybe worry that they they won't throw. I'm sure that's a concern of your Seath.

[Heath Cummings]

He's been awful lately. He's QB19 on the season at 18 fantasy points per game and they I not really have zero confidence they'll throw 20 passes.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

20.

[Dave Richard]

Okay, fair enough. Jamie, you're a little more optimistic. Just like the match.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I mean his three bad games. Houston, Arizona and the Rams, they're very good against opposing quarterbacks. When he's played these layups like the Titans, he's been good.

[Dave Richard]

Good against Jacksonville.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Good.

[Dave Richard]

Great. Great against Jacksonville. Great against Washington. Great against Tampa Bay. Solid against New Orleans. Yeah. Tennessee, they are 21st against quarterbacks, but it's looking like a pretty they've had an easy schedule on their 21st. All right, Charbonnet and Walker. So Jamie talked about walker earlier in one question for each game. He is about 20th in the rankings. Zach Charbonnet. How would you compare him to Kyle Menangai?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

We'd rather have Charbonnet this week.

[Heath Cummings]

Charbonnet is a couple spots higher.

[Dave Richard]

And just don't forget, Tennessee's had a pretty bad run defense all year, but last week it was terrific. Now that what they played the Texans. Texans can't run the ball, but they got healthy as I mentioned. So I'm not saying this is a tough matchup, but if they do it again against the Seahawks, it might be a tough matchup going forward. We'll have to reevaluate start JSN not starting anyone else. Right, Shahid or we don't really want to start Barner. Honestly, I feel like we can be done with this game.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

The one thing with Jaheed is that, you know, Donald missed him on a long throw last week. I wonder if this is the guy that tried to get going a little bit. Not that you're getting away from JSN because he's awesome, but like that changes their offense if they can get him more involved.

[Dave Richard]

And Tori Horton missed practice again. Okay. Did IO Manor crack your top? I'm sorry? The DK crack your top 40? No, no, we don't like powered against well, really anyone but this brutal run defense. Taj Speers gets you about seven to nine fantasy points in PPR every week. And that's it for this game. Unless I mean, this is a bad team against tight ends though. So if you were desperate, Seattle allows the third most fantasy points to tight ends. I assume you like okonkwo better than Helm.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yes. All right.

[Heath Cummings]

They're indistinguishable to me.

[Dave Richard]

And Seattle's DST is top three. Start them. Jets are at the Ravens and one of the questions that we've been trying to answer is the Ravens run defense good? Is this a tough matchup? So since Roquan Smith returned in Week 8, they have allowed 15.1 fantasy points to DeAndre Swift, 16.6 to Achan, 15.9 to Aaron Jones, then 5.9 to Judkins. But none of those running backs ran for 59 or more than 59 yards. I think two of them scored. HN had six catches. So what do you think? I think it's a slightly below average matchup for running backs.

[Heath Cummings]

It's definitely in the group of matchups that don't matter.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay.

[Heath Cummings]

It's not, it's not one where you're giving them a boost like we were earlier in the season. It's not one where you're crushing projections like we do with the Seahawks. It's just, don't, don't worry about it either way.

[Dave Richard]

Okay, so what does that mean for Breece Hall? Jamie?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

He's a number two running back. I, I, again, yeah, he's, he's not a confident start. I don't know how you can be confident in starting him at this point. Like, the offensive environment is so bad. They have no receiving core right now. And so, you know, when you're talking about Adnai Mitchell and John Metchie and Tyler Johnson and Alan Lazar, like, that's the guys we're looking at here. And Mason Taylor, who's just not ready yet to, you know, leader receiving core at his position, maybe to Rod Taylor changes things for this offense. I don't know. I, I've never really felt like Justin Fields was the, the, the downfall of this team. He clearly was not playing great, but, you know, again, everything around him is just so, so porous. So if this game gets lopsided, we just have not seen the involvement in the passing game that we were hoping for for Breeze Hall. So I don't know, like, if that saves him.

[Dave Richard]

If you're going to take a flyer on a wide receiver from Tennessee or the Jets. Is there any other.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I'd rather go fly kite Greg Dorch. Dorch. Okay. I mean, the one to go get would be Isaiah Hodgins. If you're talking about taking a flyer off somebody, it's just available everywhere.

[Dave Richard]

I think it picked him up in two leagues. Listen, that's great. Listen, Flying a kite. I, I had, I don't think I really ever did that. I did that, like five years ago. It's kind of fun. It's a lot more fun than I thought.

[Heath Cummings]

I've done it a few times and hated it.

[Dave Richard]

Oh, man, you need a windier day. Start Lamar Jackson. But what's the lowest you could see yourself ranking Lamar Jackson this week, Heath?

[Heath Cummings]

You know, I, I don't have him as a top three quarterback right now. He's fifth. I could see ranking him as low as eighth.

[Dave Richard]

It's just because of the injuries, right?

[Heath Cummings]

Well, it's because the injuries and how they've impacted him since he came back. He's not, I don't think He's a top 12 quarterback over the last three weeks and his most recent game, he had four rush attempts for 10 yards. Yeah, he has 60 rushing yards in his last three games combined and I don't know why. If you have a quarterback that has multiple leg injuries and you're playing a team like the jets, you would have any design runs for Lamar Jackson.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I started the week just thinking like this is the bounce back spot for him. Home game, heavy favorites, jets think. And then the fact that he missed practice. Like I have to adjust my rankings.

[Heath Cummings]

I mean he could very well have a game like he had against the Dolphins. He threw what, 23 pass attempts and only ran for 14 yards and still had four touchdowns. Like he could have one of those games. But you don't really want to have to count on that.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right.

[Dave Richard]

The Ravens should handle this game. And Derrick Henry is a must start guy. He's top nine and even full PPR for everybody. I think he's fifth for Jamie. Zay Flowers is a number two receiver. I think you guys have him right around 24th. 23rd. 24th and just gotta hope he finally scores. He makes pretty much all of their big plays in the passing game. Starter said Mark Andrews.

[Heath Cummings]

Heath, I don't want to start him. I understand why people do because like tight end is kind of a touchdown dependent position. He has five touch four touchdowns in his last three games. But he's like three to five targets the last four weeks. 14 to 34 receiving yards. Like it is the most touchdown dependent player that we might consider starting.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

One game this year with more than 30.

[Heath Cummings]

He's not top 12 for me. But I, I understand if somebody's been starting him and like they keep getting touchdowns. They just keep starting him and hope they keep getting touchdowns.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

The same thing happened last year. He's the same, same version of himself.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah. Hunter Henry or Mark Andrews?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Henry Andrews.

[Dave Richard]

We'll see if, if Isaiah likely doesn't play. Maybe that would be a boost for Andrews. Noah Fant or Mark Andrews?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Andrews.

[Heath Cummings]

Anders.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right.

[Dave Richard]

Baltimore's DST is top two and that is it for fantasy football today. Tomorrow we have six NFC home games to talk about. We'll sing the game of the week song. We'll have fun. Enjoy. I'm actually very excited for tonight's game. Believe it or not. I want to see how this Bill's offense does against this Texans defense. No, I really am this. I. I'm pumped. It's going to be an interesting game. Upset alert.

[Heath Cummings]

No, not the last time the Bills beat the Texans. David Carr was starting.

[Dave Richard]

Really.

[Heath Cummings]

Texans own the Bills.

[Dave Richard]

All right, Heath, you are the stat of the game. Stat of the. You are the stat man.

[Heath Cummings]

That was a regular season stat but I think didn't the Texans like Josh Allen's worst playoff game came against the Texans. I don't remember where he tried to throw throw that lateral in like the fourth quarter and the Texans beat him.

[Dave Richard]

Zero recollection of this the chat chat.

[Heath Cummings]

The chat remembers.

[Dave Richard]

There you go. All right, folks, enjoy the game. We'll talk to you tomorrow on fantasy.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

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