Start or Sit (AFC): TreVeyon Henderson, Jaylen Waddle, Joe Burrow, Jaguars WRs and More (12/18 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today – Start or Sit (AFC): Key Decisions, Injury Fallout, and Tough Calls

Date: December 18, 2025
Episode Theme: Week 16 Start or Sit Analysis — Deep dives on risky starts, sneaky sits, key injuries, and how to react to quarterback and running back changes across AFC contests.
Hosts: Adam Aizer, Jamey Eisenberg, Heath Cummings

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers critical start/sit advice focused on challenging AFC decisions as the fantasy playoffs heat up. The hosts break down trending players (TreVeyon Henderson, Jaylen Waddle, Joe Burrow, Jaguars WRs, and more), clarify weather/injury impacts, and answer nuanced listener dilemmas. The panel’s blend of statistics, trends, and gut honesty equips fantasy managers with actionable insight for high-stakes choices.

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Highlights & Key Insights

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Opening Banter, Playoff Mindset, & Start/Sit Methodology

• Timestamp 02:16-03:12
• Introduction celebrates the playoff pressure, with jokes about Adam vs Heath in the FFT semifinals (“I think you’re like a 20-point favorite. Looks like you got this one in the bag. Congrats on advancing to the championship game.” – Heath [02:53]).
• Main Theme: The “Start or Sit” process isn’t just about consensus — bold picks and personalized context matter more than ever.

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Players the Hosts Love This Week

Jamey’s Picks:

• Jacoby Brissette vs ATL: Start of the Week again due to consistent top-3 ranking among the hosts. [03:28–05:25]
  • “He was the start of the week two weeks ago... Nine straight games over 20 fantasy points, it’s going to be ten.” — Jamie [03:36]
• Kenneth Gainwell at DET: Strong PPR upside as Steelers likely chase points (“He’s been successful: 16 PPR points or more in 4 of his last 5 games.” – Jamie [03:58]).
• Mike Evans at CAR: Insane history vs Panthers (36/606/7 line over last 5; “Let’s go, Mike Evans.” – Jamie [05:09])

Heath’s Picks:

• Justin Herbert at DAL: Ignore the recent dud streak — Cowboys D “lets anyone throw on them” [06:10–07:45]
  • “If you look at the Dallas Cowboys defense, [a lot of bad QBs] have all scored at least 20 fantasy points against this defense. Half of them scored 30.” – Heath [06:22]
• Michael Carter vs ATL: Opportunity-based sleeper with attrition in Jets backfield.
• Juwan Jennings at IND: High floor, with Pearsall likely out; Colts secondary vulnerable (“High floor, I think, for Juwan Jennings.” – Adam [08:03])

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Players to Avoid, Big Name Sits

Heath’s Fades:

• Sam Darnold vs LAR: “Stay away from Sam Darnold regardless of how the weather is, especially if it’s bad.” [09:13]
• Justin Jefferson at NYG: Astounding cold streak: “Three straight games below 25 receiving yards. He almost went the entirety of 2023-2025 without this happening.” – Heath [09:36]
• Dalton Kincaid at CLE: Likely game script won’t favor a spike week.

Jamey’s Sits:

• Jackson Dart at MIN: “Brian Flores has put on a clinic... Only one TD allowed in the last six games to QBs.” – Jamie [11:36]
• Ashton Genti at HOU: Bad form, rough matchup — “30 rushing yards or less in 3 straight games.”
• Brian Thomas Jr. at DEN: “They allow the fewest TDs to opposing WRs; I would try to sit him.” [12:34]

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Weather & Injuries: Week 16 X-Factors

Timestamp: 17:32–26:00

• Seattle: Potentially rainy/windy; minor QB downgrade, but Stafford/Puka/Parkinson trusted due to “short area” game plan.
• Miami: Quinn Ewers in, Tua benched. Automatic downgrades? Yes for Waller (“Most notably, Waller moves from a starter to a high-end TE2”) and (slight) for Waddle, HN.
• RB News: RJ Harvey full practice (great news), Javonte limited, Nick Chubb trending in right direction. Rashee Rice in concussion protocol. Christian Watson expects to play.
• Key WR Injuries: Marvin Harrison Jr. limited, Drake London may play, Jaden Reed missed for personal reasons, Rashid Shaheed as a deep fallback for Michael Wilson managers.

Memorable Quote
“If you have Rashid Shaheed and Michael Wilson, you probably need to drop Rashid Shaheed and find somebody that’s a backup plan for Michael Wilson.” — Heath, on navigating questionable Friday WRs [29:22]

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Deep-Dive Segment: Comparative Start/Sit & Strategic “Flex” Questions

Jacksonville @ Denver: The Jaguars WR Conundrum

• Sit Brian Thomas Jr. but Myers is a “low-end #2” (“Body of work matters. If certain shadows someone, it’s likely Thomas.” — Jamie [31:45])
• Waddle or Myers? – Waddle one spot above Myers. [32:23]
• Broncos WRs: “Sutton >>> any other DEN WR, but Franklin is worth a dart throw if desperate.” [43:03]

RB Tier Tough Calls

• RJ Harvey vs Saquon Barkley? – Barkley by a lot. [43:03]
• Gainwell vs Hampton, Judkins, Genti: Start Gainwell in PPR over all, per Jamie [52:32]
• Gainwell, Swift, or Emmanuel Wilson if Jacobs sits? – Heath leans Wilson but “if Jacobs is out.” [53:00]
• David Montgomery Fluidity: Strongly touchdown dependent — risky flex but far from RB2 territory.

DST Strategy:

• “Denver DST still worth starting; Jacksonville is not this week but is a hold for next week.” [46:46]

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Injury Fallout & Streaming Reminders

• Michael Wilson/Marvin Harrison Jr.: Discussion on Friday injury games; have a pivot plan.
• Saints RBs: Jamie prefers Estime over Seattle backs if Kamara out. Heath is wary: “Too much of a committee and too much of a disaster.” [28:49]
• Kyle Pitts, Colby Parkinson: Only consider Parkinson over Pitts if London misses.

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Notable Quotes & Perspectives

• On the WR landscape:
  “We’re probably going to have to leave Jalen Waddle in as a number two wide receiver despite Quinn Ewers at QB...that tells you about the state of the position.” — Heath [32:35]

• On Tua’s benching:
  “It seems more like a punishment for Tua playing so bad than something that’s actually trying to make the team perform better.” — Heath [20:16]

• On RBs with rough matchups:
  “With Harvey, if he has a bad game, you kind of have to live with it.” — Adam [42:55]

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One Burning Question for Each Game [Key Timestamps, 30:57 – 38:50]

• Jacksonville @ Denver: Can you trust either Brian Thomas Jr. or Jacoby Myers against DEN?
  Answer: Thomas = boom/bust flex, Myers = safer start.
• PIT at DET: Must start Gainwell in PPR, though terrifying floor. “Probably the guy that [managers] aren’t thinking about sitting him that I really am terrified.” — Heath [49:20]

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Position By Position Deep Dives & Difficult Calls

Quarterback:

• Brissette > Burrow, Goff, Prescott, May. All hosts rank Allen, Hurts, Brissette as top 3. [06:02]
• **Burrow a “borderline QB1” with risk, but: “This is an ‘I’m coming to Miami to light up this defense’ spot.” — Jamie [67:30]
• Herbert: Start, even with his recent struggles.

Running Back:

• Henderson vs Henry: Heath: “In full PPR I’d start Henderson; not in half or non.” [61:19]
• Genty/Judkins: Tough calls, both “low-end RB2s” due to bad matchups and usage questions.
• Pollard: Flex, not RB2, “but he's been very good as a runner lately.” — Heath [82:38]
• Harvey: Must-start volume back even in bad matchup.

Wide Receiver:

• Evans, Myers, Jennings, Flowers: All startable.
• Waddle: Hold nose and start unless you have a high-end alternative.
• Brian Thomas Jr.: Only in deep leagues.
• DK Metcalf: Still a top 18 WR in rankings; “just hope for the best.”

Tight End:

• Fannin: “25 targets in two games, 30% target share can’t be ignored, even in a tough matchup.” – Heath [78:24]
• Waller: Downgraded to TE2 range due to QB shift and scoring projections.
• Kincaid: “Not considering Kincaid, Parkinson over Kincaid.” [74:32]
• Schultz, Parkinson, Theo Johnson: Viable streamers.

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Listener Mailbag: Quick Hits (Timestamps 45:10 – 47:09 and throughout)

• Flowers or Judkins: Jamie: “Henderson [over Flowers] but close.” [33:26]
• Harvey or Bucky Irving: Jamie: “I love Bucky against the Panthers.” Heath: “Harvey.” [46:13]
• Judkins, Kareem Hunt, Michael Carter: All have “single-digit floor, top-12 upside.” [76:45]
• Rasheed Rice, McMillan, Olave, Waddle (sit one): Sit Waddle if all healthy [84:14]

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Closing Memorable Moments

• Heath’s charity plug: “Two cars, two guys, two hours, bought $6,600 of toys for Toys for Tots. Thank you to everyone who supports Fantasy Cares.” [26:50]
• Deep cut trivia: “MapQuest still exists!” (Adam, while giving trivia on the 49ers' road trip) [84:26]
• Major disagreement: The panel frequently splits on RB2/WR3 ranks, showing how tough this week’s choices are.

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• Start/Sits of the Week: 03:28–08:34
• Players to Avoid Segment: 09:13–13:25
• Weather/Injury Reports and Impact: 17:32–26:00
• Tricky WR decision mini panel: 29:17–29:54
• Start/Sit Rapid Fire (various positions): 41:43–47:02, 52:32–56:02
• Joe Burrow/Brock Purdy/BONIX debate: 41:43–44:17, 67:30–68:00
• Harold Fannin and TE landscape debate: 78:24–80:00

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Tone & Language

• As always, the FFT crew mixes deep stat dives with comedic banter, listener empathy, and real talk about facing lineup anxieties—a relatable, conversational tone ("I'm terrified," "You gotta live with it," "Just hope for the best with Metcalf").
• The show is heavy on actionable advice, with no sugar-coating for starts like Waddle or tricky TE streamers.

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Final Takeaways

• Lean into volume and game script for fringe RBs/WRs: Trust touches (Harvey, Gainwell), be cautious of bad-QB offenses (Patriots, Dolphins, Jets).
• Late-week injury developments and weather are crucial. Monitor Saints, Jaguars, and Cardinals WRs especially.
• Flex spots will decide many fantasy playoff matchups this week. Prioritize usage over theoretical talent for fringe decisions.
• Sometimes you have to start stars cold, but know your pivots.

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[Heath]

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[Jamie]

Can you believe this?

[Heath]

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[Adam]

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[Heath]

This is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Adam]

All right, welcome to the show, everybody. Week 16 Starter State. It is Thursday, December 18th and we welcome you to Fantasy football today presented by BetMGM. Make it leg. All right, two weeks left for most of you in the playoffs. Just so you know, we will have Week 18 programming as scheduled and for next Week. A week from today is Christmas. We will have a normal 8:30am I'm not sure about the time, but a normal sometime in the morning episode. So normal programming to help you win your league. Good morning, Jamie.

[Jamie]

Good morning, Adam.

[Adam]

Good morning, guy that I'm playing in the FFT semifinals.

[Heath]

Yeah, you're. I think you're like a 20 point favorite. Looks like you got this one in the bag. Congratulations on advancing to the championship game.

[Jamie]

Yeah, thanks.

[Heath]

I got. I got a few of those. Although I think there are some people who are big underdogs this week because they're facing jsn. That may turn out to be okay.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

So we got some big weather concerns maybe at the start. We'll talk about that in a little bit. Let's get right into it with the players we love and the players to avoid. Jamie. We've got Jacoby Brissette against Atlanta, Kenneth Gainwell at Detroit and Mike Evans at Carolina.

[Jamie]

Yeah, Brissette is the start of the week again. He was the start of the week two weeks ago. But I. It just. It's crazy to me. Two things. Positive and. And somewhat negative. That is start percentage is still only 28. And I know we're talking about a lot of leagues being done and people that may have had them on their benches. But like, you don't see that with a lot of other players and you certainly don't see that with a lot of where he's ranked and projected. Except for the three of us, which is why I decided to do this. I wanted to present a united front and show how confident we are in one player. We all have him third. And when I saw that, I was like, you know what? Based on where his numbers are from a percentage standpoint and our confidence, like, I'm going to do it again. I don't usually like to do the start of the week so close to each other if I do it twice in the same season. But he certainly played well enough. Last week was impressive from his fantasy production and nine straight games over 20 fantasy points. It's gonna be 10. Hopefully it's another one. It's. Hopefully it's his fourth or fifth. I forget which one it is. Of his 25 points or more. So there's just a lot to love about the situation, especially against this Falcons defense. In the case of Gainwell, I know it's not an easy matchup against Detroit. Number one, if you was fantasy points allowed to posing running backs. I don't care when it comes to him. I think we're Gonna see hopefully a high scoring game, but I think we'll see the Lions score points St. Steelers chasing points. A lot of opportunities in the passing game for, for Gainwell. They are fifth and fewest fantasy, fifth and fewest receptions allowed to running backs. But again, I don't think it matters when it comes to a player like him. He's going to get his opportunities. Will he succeed with them? That's the question. But he's been successful 16 PPR points or more in four of his last five games. And Mike Evans, I, I want to get the numbers here because he just absolutely destroys the Carolina Panthers. So in his last five games against them, the two last year were incredible. But his last five games against them, here's what he's done. 36 catches, 606 yards, seven touchdowns last year in two games, 16 catches, 215 yards and three touchdowns on 21 targets. Let's go. Mike Evans.

[Adam]

All right, I like it, I like it. And you know, I'm glad you brought up Recept because I, I've gotten more starter sit questions this week even though a lot of people are, are eliminated, you know, at this point then I think in any week prior up at this point in the week, so many emails like flooding the inbox, which is great and I'll try to answer, you know, as many as I can. But Brissette keeps coming up. So here's a couple in the chat. Brissette or burrow and Brissette or golf. Brissette.

[Jamie]

All right. I think, you know, and obviously show the questions because you know, you know, we love to highlight the audience. We all have the same top three. It's Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts to Kobe. Cool.

[Adam]

All right, next up, Heath, Justin Herbert at Dallas, Michael Carter against Atlanta and Juwan Jennings at the Colts.

[Heath]

Yeah, I think like Justin Herbert and this entire Chargers passing game has been absolutely miserable over the last month, plus six weeks and I just don't care. If you look at the Dallas Cowboys defense, J.J. mcCarthy, Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts, Jacoby Brissette, Bo Nicks, Bryce Young, Justin Fields, Jordan Love, Caleb Williams, Russell Wilson have all scored at least 20 fantasy points against this defense. Half of them scored 30. Jalen Hurts did it twice. There's a lot of quarterbacks who have been worse than Justin Herbert who were still able to do that against this defense, that the Cowboys shored up their run defense a little bit, but they, they just cannot do anything to stop the past Michael Carter, it's kind of just an attrition thing, right like they, they've had so many running backs go down over the course of the season. I think we finally have probably the most clarity we've had in a while. He completely dominated touches last week after Bam Knight went out. And this is a team that doesn't. Isn't very successful running the ball. That's why Jacoby Brissette's been so good and dropped back 48 times. But they throw the ball that generally like six catches per game for their running backs. Even if Michael Carter gets half of those and has three catches for 20 yards and then he's also going to have the vast majority of the run game work, I think he will be a top 20 running back. And the third one is Juwan Jennings. He's just been absolutely awesome. The clear number one wide receiver on this team, especially with Ricky Pearsall likely out. It's Pierso, it's Kittle, it's McAffrey, and they're going to score all the points.

[Jamie]

Since you name the two quarterbacks who have not scored 20 fantasy points against the Cowboys.

[Adam]

Gino Smith.

[Jamie]

Right. That's one.

[Adam]

And oh, it was oh.

[Jamie]

Who? Jared Goff.

[Adam]

Oh, yeah. Oh, unbelievable. Since Sauce Gardner Left in Week 13 after two snaps, the Colts have allowed 11 and a half or more PPR fantasy points to seven wide receivers in their last three games. They're also without Charvarius Ward, so it's a high floor, I think, for Juwan Jennings. All right, Michael Carter. One Michael Carter question in the chat. It's a good one here. Michael Carter quinch on Judkins. Good matchup for him. Or a mecca Abuka ppr.

[Heath]

I have Judkins one spot ahead of Carter.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

All right, we'll get to some players we don't like real quick though. Today, CBS Sports Network, 1:00pm Eastern. Watch that. Sunday, 11:00am eastern. Watch that. YouTube.com fantasy football today. We had a great showing, great audience last week. A lot of questions, a lot of people there, a lot of fun. Two hours of starter Sid advice. YouTube.com fantasy football today. We'll see you Sunday at 11:00am Eastern. All right, let's get to players to avoid. We got Sam Darnold tonight. This is for Heath. Sam Darnold tonight against the Rams. Justin. Oh, Justin Jefferson at the Giant. So sad. And Dalton Kincaid at Cleveland.

[Heath]

Yeah, I think I've been kind of lower too low at times on Sam Darnold, but sometimes. Right. Because I was too low on Sam Darnold. It's just, it's been a very low volume, high Efficiency attack. I do not like this matchup form against the Rams and I do not think with the weather it sounds like it's going to be terrible at the start and then maybe improving as the game goes on, but they've got like a windstorm up there or something, which we'll have to check that closer to the start of the game. But you should stay away from Sam Darnold regardless of how the weather is, especially if it's bad. Justin Jefferson and I I want to look this up and make sure that I've still got it right. He has three straight games below 25 receiving yards. First off, he'd never had a streak like that in his entire career. Even his rookie year when he wasn't playing very much. At the start of the year, his very first game he had 26 receiving yards. He had not before this stretch when he went 4, 11, 22. The last time that Justin Jefferson had fewer than 25 receiving yards in a game was January 1st of 2023. Like he almost went the entirety of 2023, 2024 and 2025 without hitting this mark. And now it's three weeks in a row. I don't really understand like watching them why he and J.J. mcCarthy are just never quite on the same page. And he seems like it's kind of like I think it was Roma dunes a last year with Caleb Williams that Caleb Williams off target rate was just so much higher whenever he was throwing to Roma dunese that that seems to be the case here. I can't. If I somehow survive with Jefferson on my team, I can't trust him now and I don't want to trust Dalton Kincaid. He has the ability to catch a pass and break a couple tackles and give us a big, a big gain or score a touchdown. But I think this is probably a very run heavy game for the Bills against the Browns.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Adam]

And Jamie's three players that he wants to avoid. The first one's really interesting because the, the okay, I mean I get it. Jackson dart against Minnesota. We'll talk about this more tomorrow, but Minnesota's pretty injured now. They just put a starting safety on ir, starting edge rusher out for the season. So you got Dart against the Vikings, Ashton Genti at Houston and Brian Thomas Jr. At Denver.

[Jamie]

Lamar Jackson, Caleb Williams, Jordan Love, Sam Darnold, Jayden Daniels, Dak Prescott. They felt all of those quarterbacks Minnesota in a row to 18.6 fantasy points or less. And Dart has been great. He's got one game under 19 and a half fantasy points, 19.6 fantasy points and that was against New England in Week 13, first game off the concussion. So it's very difficult to get away from dart if you've been starting him. But Minnesota, they've been banged up at times during the stretch too. Maybe not to this extent, but I don't know. This just Brian Flores is put on a clinic right now against opposing quarterbacks. The only one of that stretch that's done well against them in terms of yardage was Dak Prescott to go over 200 yards like they've just been amazing. One touchdown in the last six games allowed to opposing quarterback. So. And if you're counting on his rushing, their eighth best in terms of fewest rushing allowed rushing yards allowed to opposing quarterbacks. So if they're going to limit his rushing and limit his passing, I don't know. That doesn't sound like a great quarterback to me in in a matchup. Ashton Genti's just been clearly struggling the last two weeks, but he's got one touchdown. It was on a reception since week 10. His last three games. I believe it is. Let me get have in front of me. His last three games have been 30 yards rushing or less if I'm not mistaken. Rushing yards less than three games in a row. And this Houston defense is obviously fantastic. I know they're missing one of their defensive linemen but number seven and fewest fancy points allowed to opposing running backs. And then in case of Brian Thomas, you're talking about still taking on Denver. They allow the fewest touchdowns to opposing wide receivers at 5. It was my argument against Christian Watson last week because they only had allowed five receiving touchdowns to wide receivers last week. That number stayed the same because no receiver caught a touchdown against the Packers. So I know Thomas looked much better last week. He's looking much better last two weeks. This is not the match. But you don't trust him. Yeah.

[Adam]

Be interesting to see what they do with certain in this game because Parker Washington played last week and Jacoby Myers was almost exclusively on the outside 15% slot rate. So I think that's kind of. Kind of know what the Jaguars are now they got two outside receivers. What does. What does certain do? I'm thinking probably does not shadow anyone. So I will ask you shortly if you also extend your concerns about Brian Thomas Jr. To Jacoby Myers. So stay tuned for that. Now it is time for football at BetMGM. Register with BetMGM to get instant access to the best variety of parlay selection features. No sweat and boost tokens live betting options and much more. And here's a cool offer. New players can receive up to 1500 dollars back in bonus bets with the bonus code Fantasy if they don't win their first bet. You don't want to miss out on any of the hard hitting action at BetMGM. Place your money line, parlay bets and more today. BetMGM make it legendary. All right, we've talked about 12 players in 12 minutes. Start Brissette, Gainwell and Evans says Jamie Start Herbert, Michael, Carter and Jennings says Heath he says sit Darnold, Justin, Jefferson and Kincaid and Jamie says sit Dart Genty and Brian Thomas Jr. If you can. And I say stay tuned because we'll talk about the injuries, news and notes and one question for each game when we come back.

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[Jamie]

No, he's, you know, he's not the type of quarterback that needs to make a lot of downfield throws to be successful. You know, they're so creative with how they get puka open. And I think the same thing with Colby Parkinson, that those players, and Stafford in particular won't have to necessarily struggle to the same extent that you would see a lot of quarterbacks that challenge down the field. So I'll probably drop them a spot or two, especially if T. Higgins practices, for example. So I'll drop them behind. Drop him behind burrow. But he won't far fall that far.

[Heath]

No, I was just looking and I just, I told Adam this already, but I'm a little behind in my process today. I'm gonna get some up rankings updates done after the show. So I'll be talking about projections, but the over under was 44 and a half in this game at the beginning of the week. It's currently 42 and a half. I'll be interested to see if it continues to fall throughout the day. That'll probably give us a good idea of how the forecast is changing. Because if from what I read with Kevin Roth, it sounds like this is mostly right now a first half concern. And I think if that storm gets there a little bit quicker and it's over by the first quarter, then maybe it doesn't matter as much if that's, if that storm gets there a little bit later and it lasts the entire game, it could be a disaster.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I think, I think part of the, the line movement is Devonte Adams and Cross for the Seahawks. Too big. Pretty big injuries, I don't know.

[Adam]

But those guys were injured. No one thought Adams was going to play.

[Jamie]

And the weather, well, I mean, after what McVeigh said, I guess.

[Adam]

But Adams is doubtful, Cross is out. And I mean, I'd say personally, you know, I picked up Parkinson in a couple of leagues and if it's really bad, I'll start him over. Tyler Warren still. But I the other league, I have Dalton Schultz and I probably would stick with Schultz. This, you know, the Raiders have been so good against tight ends, but I went back and I watched how they covered Dallas Goddard and I would say they didn't. It was pathetic. So I, I hope that continues. I got a little less afraid of, of Schultz. I thought, you know, it could just be one bad game for the Raiders, but man, they, they were horrible against Goddard. It wasn't just the touchdowns didn't bother me. So those were just like well designed plays at the five yard lines. The other stuff is horrible. Okay, Quinn Ewers is going to start from Miami, so we're talking, we'll talk about that game soon. But Heath, just to a bench, he's the number three quarterback. When you were starting, does that mean a downgrade for hn, Waddle and Waller?

[Heath]

Yeah, I, I mean, I don't think it really matters if we downgrade HN a little bit. Like he was so far into must start territory that maybe he's a. An average RB1 instead of one of the elite RB1s. I don't really think with the way wide receiver looks, for me it matters that much. If we downgrade Waddle a little bit. I think you probably still have to start him. Waller was the guy who we were boosting up because of this matchup and his good last game. And he is the guy who is most reliant on scoring touchdowns. And this is another one where at the start of the week the Dolphins had an implied total, I think of 24 and a half. And I think right now it might be 21 and a half. So at least the odds makers don't think that Quinn yours is going to spark this offense. It seems more like a punishment for Tua playing so bad than something that's actually trying to make the team perform better. So yeah, the big, the most notable one for me is Waller moves from a, a starter to a high end tight end too.

[Jamie]

I think from the, the standpoint of you wish you had seen backup quarterbacks because we've had many situations like this play well on this offense because the offense yeah is typically good. You know, they're having a. Certainly down. You're throwing the ball this year and I don't know how much of that is Tua, but there's no like, oh, okay, here comes Joe Flacco. You're gonna feel very confident about that because it's a veteran guy that's had success in the system, etc. Like they've been so bad. They've been absolutely awful. Every time two has gone down since he's become the full time starter. Forget about the Ryan Fitzpatrick years. Like this has just been so terrible. And so you have this rookie who may be more talented than Two at this point. You know, Two is just not throwing the ball very well at all. You know, you hope separate conversation that you know, Tua processes things differently than, than Quinn yours because he's been leak so long. But I think from like an arms talent standpoint, from maybe helping the receivers like this could be a plus, you know, in, in just how they get the ball and, and, and some of the play design, you know, maybe there's a little bit more confidence in some of the things that Mike McDaniel is going to allow Queen you were supposed to do. But I think to, to what Heath is, is saying like I don't know how far you dropped Waddle. Like Waddle was around. I was concerned to be honest. He was like 18 to 20 already. I dropped him like 23. So four or five spots. Darren Waller was, you know, top eight tight end, top six, whatever it was at points this week and you know, now he's hanging on at 12 just because the matchup's so good. And I think again like there, there may be some chances here for Quinn. It could go so many different directions here in, in how poorly the receivers can go and perform or how great they could be. And then it's like, oh God, we wish we had this all season long with somebody that can, you know, throw the ball down the field with some semblance of success.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's not his strength. Reading Dave's scouting report of him, he's not great throwing the ball downfield and then you go.

[Jamie]

Neither is to us. So it's not like we're going from, you know, bad to worse.

[Adam]

They don't do that. They don't really do that. Anyway, I yeah, I look, it's a tough matchup for Waddle to begin with. Bengals are six best against receivers. We know D.J. turner's had a really strong year and he's probably going to shadow Waddle. Man, I'm sure we'd start Juan Jennings over Waddle, right?

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

I mean would you start Michael Wilson over Waddle if Harrison plays? Quick no for Heath, hesitant no for Jamie. Okay. All right. So that's pre previewed half of that game. Geno Smith is trending in the right direction. Looks like he will probably start at Houston and Brady Cook is going to start for the jets. And the other guys, at least one of them is healthy. But the jets are just going with Brady Cook and I'll talk about what that might mean for Breece Hall. Cause last week they pretty much not evenly, but they split pretty somewhat evenly the two running backs. So it's just a youth movement here for the Jets. Now running back news RJ Harvey practiced in full. That is great news. Javante Williams was limited. Devin Neal has been ruled out. Alvin Camara also missed practice. DeAndre Swift was limited, should be fine. Woody Marks missed practice but Nick Chubb was limited. So maybe Nick Chubb is the guy to pick up. Hopefully Marks gets out there and practice practices today. Remember they said he would would have been fine to go back in last week. Josh Jacobs missed practice. Don't drop Emmanuel Wilson just yet. They play at Chicago on Saturday and Dylan Sampson missed practice. Wide receiver Marvin Harrison Jr. They only had a walkthrough yesterday but Marvin Harrison Jr. Was you know, in theory limited. So good sign for him. Raheem Morris said he's looking forward to seeing how much Drake London can give the Falcons this week. So maybe London's going to play. Christian Watson expects to play. Jaden Reed missed practice for personal reasons, but it looks like Watson should be back this week. This is a big one. Rasheed Rice and Tyquan Thornton are in the concussion protocol, so be prepared to not have Rasheed Rice. And I saw Heath picked up Marquis Brown in a league. He scored eight or more fantasy points in PPR in each of the first six games of the season without Rice. He had a couple of boom games in there with about 20 fantasy points. So Marquis Brown missed last week's game for personal reasons. He's back practicing this week. T. Higgins was limited but still in the concussion protocol. Tetterall McMillan missed practice. Pat Bryant practice, practice in full. So if you have Troy Franklin, that is not good news. Devonte Adams is doubtful. Quentin Johnson back at practice. Devon Vale has been ruled out. And Romo Dunesay and Luther Burden missed practice. Right now, we're not expecting them. Tight end David Ajoku missed practice. Dalton Kincaid missed practice. I think he's fine. Kate Otten got in a limited session. Mason Taylor will be out this week. Offensive line tonight. Left tackle Charles Cross for the Seahawks, he's out. Both tackles for the Chiefs miss practice. Carolina left tackle Ikea Kwanu missed practice. It's a big game for them. They hope to get him back. Minnesota's offensive line is very beat up. Usually it's beat up and then guys play, but I don't know that Darasaw is going to play at the Giants. Good news for the Chargers and for Justin Herbert. Trey Pipkins, their right tackle, he practiced. Cleveland's offensive lines, a little beat up. But Wyatt Teller practice and Philadelphia's offensive line missing three players yesterday, two tackles, one of them, both of them right tackles. And guard Landon Dickerson. Big news on defense, I guess would be Quinn and Williams for the Cowboys missing practice. I mentioned the Vikings are a little beat up. And the Patriots, we got to keep an eye on this. The Patriots, the Wednesday practice report. You don't want to panic, but they had three linebackers and starting cornerback Carlton Davis missing practice. Davis, I think would be the most concerning. He left last week's game. Heath, you know that I fret when the shows are going too long and today's is going too long, but I will, I will make an exception. And I want you to talk about what you did yesterday. Your charitable endeavor.

[Heath]

Yeah, yeah, I was, I think it was my seventh or eighth year going shopping for Fantasy Cares, buying toys for Toys for Tots. And I'm gonna do a little dad brag here because normally I do a really good, not really good, an acceptable job of like planning it out and getting people to help. And we have like four or five cars and family or friends or co workers or whatever. I did not do that this year. And so Tuesday night on the way to basketball practice, I told my son, so we're gonna wake up at 7 o' clock tomorrow and just go take care of the Toys for Tots by ourselves. So two cars, two guys in about two hours, bought $6,600 worth of toys for Toys for Tots. Fit 10 carts into two vehicles, went and took them and delivered them. Thank you to everybody who supports Fantasy Cares, plays in the Scott Fishbowl or any of those other events. Like, we don't get to do this unless a bunch of people donate a bunch of money. So it was. It's not way to go, Heath. It's. It's way to go, everybody that donated money. So thank you, guys.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Great job.

[Jamie]

Great job, Heath. And, you know, it's funny because Adam wears clothes for Tots, so it's nice.

[Adam]

All right, one question. Oh, you know, actually comment in the chat.

[Jamie]

We have to spend a little bit more time on the Marvin Harrison, Michael Wilson thing and the Drake London, Kyle Pitts thing and the Saints running backs. Like, those are the biggest dilemmas of the week.

[Adam]

Okay. And unfortunately, all three of those games are Friday.

[Jamie]

I know.

[Adam]

So, yeah. As it relates to Thursday night, is there anything that changes for you?

[Jamie]

Well, I think for anybody that's considering the Saints running backs compared to the Seahawks running backs. So if you tell me right now that there is no Camara, and we know Devin Neals ruled out, like, I'm starting estimate over both Seattle running backs.

[Heath]

I can't. I can't.

[Adam]

I get it.

[Heath]

I. I think it, like, it's. It could really work out well, and you could really feel smart. I just am worried that it's too much of a committee and too much of a disaster.

[Jamie]

Which. Which.

[Adam]

Which side?

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Seattle.

[Adam]

Yeah, I mean, the matchup is so much better for the Saints guys against the Jets. So much better. Okay, I could see that now. Michael Wilson. You're not going to start Rashid Shahid over Michael Wilson, are you?

[Heath]

No.

[Jamie]

No.

[Adam]

Yeah. Even if Harrison plays, Right?

[Heath]

No. I would say if you have Rashid Shahid and Michael Wilson, you probably need to drop Rashid Shahid and find somebody that's a backup plan for Michael Wilson.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but there's that. There's no players like that that are on waivers at this point. Like maybe Marquis Brown, if you want to, you know, say that. Potential, you know, Jaden Higgins, maybe the one of the packers guys if Christian Watson's out, You know, there's.

[Heath]

I mean, last I looked, Luther Burden was still like, 35 roster, right? He might be. He might not play, but I'd rather have him on my bench right now than Shahid if I was waiting on Wilson.

[Jamie]

Just keep in mind that because of the Saturday games, we're gonna get the. The game designations today. So you mentioned Josh Jacobs. Jacobs doesn't practice today. Like that could be a problem. Yeah.

[Adam]

All right, look, it's a, it's a busy injury report this week for sure.

[Jamie]

But. But the, the other side of this is. And I know the answer is no because it'd be no for me too, but if Drake London practices in full today, would you consider Parkinson over Pitts?

[Heath]

You'd have to consider it.

[Adam]

Yeah. Then you've got this weather thing, you.

[Heath]

Know, I don't know that the weather. Sorry, I don't know how much and that I, I haven't tested this, but I just don't feel like the weather matters quite as much to guys like, like the short area, target, tight ends.

[Adam]

I don't know either, but I think it matters. You know, it's. I don't know. All right, let's go to one question for each game.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Just to the point. Colby Parkinson's adot for the year is 3.4.

[Adam]

Yeah, I know, and I haven't really looked into that either, but I just feel like it makes everything worse, you know, Just.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Is this the, Is this the Rams last primetime game that they've inflected? Anything?

[Adam]

I don't know.

[Jamie]

Because this could be Stafford's MVP game.

[Heath]

Has to be.

[Adam]

I remember thinking about that, about Brock Purdy a few years ago and he threw four interceptions against the Ravens. So I don't, I don't really buy into that narrative.

[Jamie]

Think Purdy was not the front runner, though.

[Adam]

He was up there. I remember it was a big game for him. One question for each game. Jacksonville at Denver. So how do you approach the Jaguars wide receivers? Jamie, you said you want to sit Brian Thomas Jr. How about Parker Wash. Sorry. How about Jacoby Myers?

[Jamie]

So I, I lean more toward body of work in the case of Myers versus Thomas and for the season. And Myers has clearly been better in his time with Jacksonville and Thomas has consistently at any point this year. And if you're going to most likely try and figure out where certain will go, if he's going to follow somebody, it's most likely going to be Brian Thomas because of his big play potential. So I still think Myers is a low end, number two, high end, number three receiver. He's still the guy that I think right now Trevor Lawrence trusts. In the case of Thomas, I would try to sit him, but you're probably still starting him in three Sierra leagues.

[Adam]

Jalen Waddle or Jacoby Myers?

[Jamie]

I have Waddle one spot ahead of Myers right now. One's a 23.

[Adam]

One's at 24 Heath Pittsburgh's at Detroit starter sit DK Metcalf the Lions allow the second most fantasy points to receivers and the most big plays in the NFL.

[Heath]

Well, we're talking about how we'll probably have to leave Jalen Waddle and in as a number two wide receiver despite the fact Quinn yours is his QB and we're going to start Jacoby Myers. I agree with Jamie against the Denver Broncos. So I think that tells you about the state of the wide receiver position, which is what it's been most of the year. I I DK's number wide receiver too. For me, he might just be awful, but he might also finish as a top 12 guy.

[Jamie]

I can't wait for the transaction that happens today when the Steelers sign Alan Lazard and Aaron Rodgers has his dream scenario of Lazard, Thielen and MVS all lined up in one formation and just here we go.

[Adam]

New England's at Baltimore. Jamie, who do you like better as a flex Travion Henderson or Zay Flowers?

[Jamie]

Henderson, but they're close. You know, I've been very anti flowers recently and it's come back to bite me. The last two weeks he's been solid. He has yet to put together three straight games of 12 PPR points or more. His floor has been excellent. He has only been under 11 PPR points three times this season. We know the one disastrous game against Cincinnati, but I think you just look at it as the ceiling for Henderson is so much higher as we've, you know, come to find out. And last week was awesome. You hope that okay post buy rookies unleashed. You know, first game was, was great against Buffalo. This matchup is worse but not, you know, horrific. And the Ravens, I, I'm sure you said this at some point this week, but you know, losing Buchanan, the rookie linebacker is not going to help that defense. So there's, there's, there's still plenty of upside here for, for Henderson. So I like them both.

[Adam]

But I, I would go Henderson, he's Cincinnati at Miami. It got a lot of. I've gotten a lot of Joe Burrow questions and I totally understand it. How do you feel about Burrow this week?

[Heath]

He is a very, very.

[Adam]

Yeah, I gotcha. Borrowed line. Yep.

[Heath]

I tried to do an atom thing and it failed. I looked as dumb as Adam usually does. I apologize. I'm sorry. That wasn't nice. Yeah, that was good. He's the very borderline QB1 I think as of right now I've got him at QB11 now I'm more positive on Jackson Dart than Jamie is. But I think like there's kind of three guys right there and it's Dart and Dak who have been better than what we've seen from Burrow this year for the most part. But have matchups against defenses that have just shut everyone down or kind of rolling the dice with Burrow.

[Adam]

Okay, I think Jamie's gonna be a little higher on Burrow. We'll talk about that in a bit. Buffalo at Cleveland. Jamie starters at Quinshawn Judkins. He finally gets a good matchup.

[Jamie]

I mean you say finally gets a good matchup. He's had a couple of those and just hasn't done well against them. So he's a low end number two running back. You know, I hope he takes advantage of Buffalo's defense. They're just offensive environment right now is just not good unless they're facing the Titans from a passing game perspective. And this is not that type of game. So they're going to get behind early. Most likely. Judkins, you know, hopefully finds the end zone if he's not scoring touchdowns. He just hasn't proven to be very consistent or you know, trustworthy. So you know, the, the question earlier, I struggle with it also. I think he said he has Judkins one spot ahead of Carter. I think I just moved Carter behind Judkins just because, you know, you, you can, you can pencil in the touches is guaranteed for Judkins. You can't necessarily say that with Carter. Even though they're so beat up. It could be a demarcato week for all we know. So I feel a little bit more safer with Judkins. I think the upside favor somebody like Carter though. So again, low in number two running back.

[Adam]

Kansas City's at Tennessee. Heath is Travis Kelsey the only safe start in this game.

[Heath]

No Chief's defense.

[Adam]

You know, the Titans have actually have been really. The DST against the Titans has been terrible two straight weeks. I'll go right back to it, but okay.

[Heath]

Right. Other than that there's not one thing safe about this game.

[Adam]

Yeah. Okay. Including Tony Pollard, San Francisco's at the Colts. I go right back to Heath. Are you starting anyone in the Colts passing game?

[Heath]

Hopefully not. I really, really don't want to. I think I've got Michael Pittman in the wide receiver 30ish range, but that's just by default because of the position. Not because I'm very excited about him. Tyler Warren is for me what kind of one of the tougher tight ends to rank. He's right around tight end 13. I think I have him ahead of Waller now, but I, I would really feel better about my chances if I wasn't starting any of those guys.

[Adam]

Okay. And finally, Jamie Las Vegas at Houston. Who's a better start, Ashton Genti or Woody Marks?

[Jamie]

If he plays, I go Marks, you know, a much easier opponent. And you know, there, there's got to be some concern now, not just if Nick Chubb plays, but also if they decide to give George Jordan some touches after what he did last week. So do we get three guys maybe carrying the ball as opposed to what we saw from Marks the last time he was fully healthy with 26 carries against the Chiefs. So somewhat of a risk, but I mean, Genti's just been struggling so, so badly and this Texans defense is too good.

[Adam]

Let's get into the games. Jacksonville is at Denver. So here's the thing. If we talked about a guy on yesterday's show on the tough calls, we're not going to spend a ton of time on him today. So Trevor Lawrence was someone we've talked about on beyond the Box Score on Tuesday. On Wednesday he is 18th for Jamie, 17th for for Heath and Dave. So try to sit Trevor Lawrence. Travis Etn is a top 11 running back. I will point out 3.8 yards per carrier worse in six of his last seven games. He's got a tough matchup, but if you have I just good luck sitting Travis etn. Basil Tutin's out every down back perhaps. No, they'll use Clint Allen, but you'll get. You got plenty of touches from etn. Yeah, it's a tough matchup, but you got to start him. We have talked about the wide receivers, so let's do a little Jacoby Myers or first of all Cortland Sutton, the best wide receiver in this game by a lot.

[Heath]

Yeah, yeah, he is.

[Adam]

Would you start RJ Harvey or Jacoby Myers?

[Jamie]

I'd start Harvey.

[Adam]

Harvey, would you start to let me get my schedule up here. So I'm asking good questions. Jacoby Myers or. Xavier Worthy if Rishi Rice were out?

[Heath]

Myers.

[Jamie]

I have them very close. But meyer still lad.

[Adam]

McConkey at Dallas or Myers?

[Jamie]

I go McConkey, Myers.

[Adam]

So how about Brian Thomas Jr. Or Xavier Worthy?

[Jamie]

If Rashi Rice were out, I would go with Worthy.

[Heath]

Worthy.

[Adam]

Heath, do you also feel like I think you said earlier, Myers is still a guy to start And Brian Thomas Jr. Is the one who's going to suffer in this game?

[Heath]

Yes. I mean I think Brian Thomas Jr. Is a boom bust flex. He, he's just that way downfield target guy. And I'm not sure Trevor Lawrence is going to have the time to make those types of plays.

[Adam]

That's been the thing. Their past protection has been great. The last two weeks they've been fourth best in pressure rate allowed, but they have faced teams that don't have pass rush. And here come the Broncos, they have one of the best in football.

[Jamie]

Brenton, it's, it's so fascinating that this could be a preview of the AFC championship.

[Adam]

Yeah, it's wild. And if they, if the Jaguars lose, they could, I think they could be the 7 seed on Tuesday. You know, it's. If the Texans win and the Jaguars lose, it's, it's really bunched up.

[Heath]

I, I know that I'm biased, but just looking at the, the quarterbacks that we're going to watch in the playoffs and the quarterbacks that we're going to miss in the playoffs. Yeah, I'm already sad about it.

[Adam]

It's crazy. You think you're sad? I think the networks feel.

[Jamie]

I was. I'll tell us just quick story. I was in the room because we used to go watch games in New York. We used to do a show in New York and you know, Dave and I would alternate every week, so we used to go watch games with the NFL Today crew. I was in the room with, I forget this, the CBS executive TV guy, I think their head of sales. When Brady tore his ACL week one of 2008 and the look of horror on that man's face and the scream and the language, it was, it was like, oh my God, like sickening, Sickening just to see like what he, what he was feeling at that point. So you say networks. I go there every time. That, that, that vision of that man and just how like literally like he wanted to vomit, you know, like you could have told him somebody died and he would have probably felt worse about the same feelings. That's how he. I mean, I'm telling you, like the look of horror on a person's face like that, that's where he went.

[Adam]

Wow. What's his bonus? I guess. All right, Bo nicks is top 12. Bonix or Dak Prescott.

[Jamie]

I'd go Dax though, but I can certainly understand the want to go with, with Nicks.

[Adam]

Yeah, this is the spot where Bonix does well. I mean, does great.

[Heath]

Yeah, he's at home. And I think like everything Jamie said about Jackson Dart is pretty much true about Dak Prescott this week. Like the Chargers defense the last two months, maybe it hasn't been quite as good at quarterbacks, but it's. There's been some good ones.

[Adam]

Oh, it has? Yeah.

[Heath]

And they haven't let anybody get close to 20 points, really. So I've got Knicks just ahead of them, but they're both top 12.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

Yeah. Nick's coming off a great game. He's got a Jaguars. Jaguars have been really good lately defensively, but they really haven't faced a lot of tough opponents. They have held Jacoby Brissette to 20.7 fantasy points, which is bad for him. And then Justin Herbert had that horrible game as well. But since then it's been Cam Ward, the Colts quarterbacks with Jones leaving and Brady Cook. Let's see the Denver running backs.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

It's just Harvey that we're looking at now. He practiced in full, so that's exciting. And he got 19 carries last week. Again, it's another guy where it's brutal matchup, but I only have him in one remaining. There's no way I'm sitting him.

[Heath]

Yeah, you just.

[Adam]

If he has a bad game, you kind of have to live with it. So would you start Harvey or Saquon Barkley this week? Throw that out there.

[Jamie]

Barkley by a lot.

[Heath]

They're. They're very close for me, but I've got Barkley higher.

[Jamie]

I was the only guy that might be in question that I would start over him is Kenneth Gainwell and ppr. I think just looking at what he's done their best stretch of games, Ganiel's.

[Adam]

Been better start Sutton and he's top 13. Any heath, any interest in another Broncos receiver? I feel like someone's probably going to be pretty good.

[Heath]

Yeah, I agree.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

I. If you can start Broncos two through four wide receivers, I. I think that's probably a good play. But you know, what we saw before the injury is when Pat Bryant was kind of taking over Troy Franklin's snaps and routes. I think the problem with that is when Troy Franklin plays more, he's useful for fantasy. When Pat Bryant does it, he isn't as much. And we don't know coming back off the injury, it is still Sean Payton. Like he may just decide to stick with Troy Franklin. Marvin Mims had a 19 target share last week. Maybe it's now. Now Marvin Mims season. You just. It. There's no floor there at all for these guys.

[Jamie]

You wonder if just coming off of arguably Nick's best game against a really good defense, it's just like, let's just stick with what worked.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah. You know That'll be the hope. I. And you're. You're right, you know that he could change his feelings of this at any point. You know, you would just like to see. Okay. Hey, hey, Pat Bryant, you go be little Jordan Hub for me. And. And let's leave Franklin and his targets alone. You know, playing time aside, let's just let Franklin be the guy. Yeah. Okay.

[Adam]

Well, again, little Jordan Humphrey did out snap Franklin last week, so that's what Pat Bryant was doing.

[Jamie]

He's a good blocker.

[Adam]

He ran more routes than him as well. That was what Pat Bryant was doing when he was healthy. And now he should be back. He practiced in full.

[Jamie]

If you are going to gamble on another receiver, you're gambling on Franklin, on Franklin.

[Adam]

Okay. Shahid or Franklin?

[Jamie]

I'd go Franklin.

[Heath]

Franklin.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Adam]

Some chat questions.

[Jamie]

I had Franklin before Pat Bryant practiced as almost a number two receiver this week.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah. It's almost like a poor man's version of the Arizona situation. Like if Pat. Brian's gone, it's like Marvin Harrison not.

[Adam]

Being there, you know, should be hopefully a good game for the Broncos offense. Brian Thomas Jr. Blake Corum, half PPR.

[Jamie]

I go Thomas. There's more upside, I think, with Corum facing Seattle.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

ETN or Harvey?

[Jamie]

Etn.

[Adam]

ETN in all formats.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam]

Myers or Evans? Evans, Myers or Flowers?

[Jamie]

Flowers.

[Heath]

Flowers.

[Adam]

Pick two. Hampton, Harvey, Aaron Jones, Michael Carter.

[Jamie]

Right now it would be Jones and Harvey. Jones got such a great matchup. If Quinn and Williams is definitely out, that changes things. I may go Jones and Hampton.

[Heath]

I've got Harvey and Carter.

[Adam]

Harvey or Bucky Irving, half ppr.

[Heath]

Harvey.

[Jamie]

I love Bucky. Against the Panthers this week.

[Adam]

Okay, split there. Brian Thomas Jr. Or Jalen Coker.

[Jamie]

I'd go Coker without a doubt if McMillan's out.

[Adam]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Heath]

I've got Coker with McMillan.

[Adam]

Knicks or Stafford?

[Jamie]

Stafford.

[Heath]

Nick's for me.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Adam]

Okay. A lot.

[Heath]

A lot of disagreements.

[Adam]

Yeah, I like it. All right, we'll take a break. Oh, by the way, Denver DST is still worth starting. Jacksonville is not. I think Dave has them 12th. That's the highest ranking for the Jaguars.

[Jamie]

DST, they are one to hold on to, though, if you want to. If you carry two defenses, they get the Colts next week.

[Adam]

Yeah, I will take a break. Pittsburgh at Detroit and six other games. When we come back.

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[Adam]

Learn [e-mail] Sapphire Reserve cards issued by JP Morgan Chase bank and a member FDIC subject to credit approval okay, let me give you my so this game, right? Jared Goff is I think QB4 or something like that. He's four or five for everyone. So start Jared go. Jacoby Brissette over him. But golf is a start. St. Brown's a start. Gibbs is a start. JMO is a start and he's like top 12. So Rogers is not. Rogers is 23rd or 24th, but the Lions past defense is horrible. So I guess it wouldn't shock us if Rogers had a good game. So let me give you two concerns. Two concerns. Number one, in the last four games, Kenneth Gainwell has nine or more times there. Yeah, nine or more carries in two games. Four to five carries in two games. I definitely could see. You know what, forget it. I guess I'm just concerned that Gainwell, all of his production basically is going to be in the passing game.

[Heath]

I had Gainwell and when I did the projections and I know Jamie had him as one of his starts at the top and I didn't really talk about it, but I have him as like a top 18 running back in the PPR projections and I'm terrified. I'm terrified because this is still a committee and it has been trending towards gain well lately, especially in the passing game. The Lions have just destroyed running backs in the passing game. I think Jamie said they were top five in receptions. They're top three, I think in receiving yards allowed.

[Adam]

Second.

[Heath]

And I think maybe part of that reason is because their secondary is not very good and quarterbacks are able to throw the ball to the wide receivers downfield instead of dumping it off to the running backs. Now Pittsburgh designs A lot of stuff to Kenneth Gainwell, but if Detroit's already been good at that and now facing a team that only wants to do that, I think you have to start Kenneth Gainwell. But it's probably the guy that I have ranked as like you're not thinking about sitting him that I really am terrified.

[Adam]

But you don't, I don't know that you have to start him in, in half ppr. You certainly don't in non ppr. I mean this is probably the one guy who has the most change in value based on format this week. If he's up there.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Heath]

Yeah, there's a, there's a 10 spot difference between where he is and the projections. It's, it's really like he and Ashton Genti are the two guys.

[Adam]

Right.

[Jamie]

But when you, when you look at it though, like the teams that they faced and you know, body of work obviously matters here. Like look at the teams that they've played and how little they typically throw to their running backs. And so like just starting from most recent, the Rams very little to their backs. Dallas, we know what Javante Williams has been in the passing game. Jacob's a little bit of surprise. They're only one catch for eight yards. Tyrone Tracy, three catches, 68 yards. That's a little bit fluky from a yard standpoint. Philadelphia, they've stopped throwing to Barkley Commanders, they don't throw the running backs. Minnesota, I don't remember who started in that game.

[Adam]

It's a good point.

[Heath]

It's a good point.

[Jamie]

Like a lot of it is, is who they've played. And so to, to your point, Heath? Yes. Most of it probably has to do with their secondary being bad and quarterbacks challenging down the field. And you think about some of the quarterbacks that you know those, those teams are, you can make a case. Gainwell is the best receiver for the Steelers. You know how, how, how they use him, how Rogers relies on him, certainly his reception total. You know, it, it, it's, it's just one of those situations where. Yeah. I'm, I'm scared too. I think if you, you know, I have several teams where I have both Steelers running backs. To me it's easy to go with game over Warren. At this point this feels like a terrible game script for Warren.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

If he's not going to be involved in the passing game. So I don't know how again I, I try and always script out these games in my head and Lions playing with the lead, Steelers chasing points. This is Gainwell's you Know, perfect scenario if you were to design one. So it feels like he's. He's worth starting to. To where you're starting him and comparing him to. So again, like, I don't love the matchup against Jacksonville. Their run defense has been great. I'm still starting Harvey, but I think the upside in PPR favors somebody like Gainwell again, who's been better over the last five weeks.

[Adam]

Oh, look at that. You answered the question, Harvey, you're Gainwell. So you are going with RJ Harvey.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Yeah, again. Well, Gainwell ran so well last week, so maybe they just stick with him as the prime. Maybe a little even.

[Jamie]

It's not like he comes off in. In goal to go situations either.

[Adam]

Sometimes. Sometimes he does. You just never know.

[Jamie]

No, no, he's not the primary guy there, but it's. It's. They're not like, oh, we gotta run him off the field.

[Adam]

Yeah, exactly. All right, I got some questions. I'll get to late in a second from the chat. So that's Gainwell. So like Hampton, Genti, Judkins. Are we starting Gainwell over those guys?

[Jamie]

I am.

[Heath]

I don't have Hampton really in that conversation. He's. He's lower than all those guys. For me, I think it would. I'm probably going to be lower. I've got Gainwell just ahead of Judkins only and full PPR.

[Adam]

Here's a good one. Gainwell, DeAndre Swift or Emmanuel Wilson.

[Jamie]

If Jacob sits, I still got Swift.

[Heath]

I would probably. I'd probably go Wilson if Jacobs is out.

[Jamie]

Okay. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I go.

[Adam]

Well, I love Swift, though. Yeah, man, he's playing great. Wilson's got a brutal matchup if Jacobs is out. I mean, man, that run defense has been so good with TJ Edwards. 3.7 yards per carry allowed to running backs when he's on the field.

[Heath]

But what, what Swift give you against the packers last time? 11 points.

[Adam]

Did he just not score?

[Jamie]

He didn't score. Touchdown. Yeah, he's had three his last three games. Two over 20 PPR points. One was 11. The 11 was against the Packers. But this packers defense, like, we have to see what this looks like without two of their starting front seven, right?

[Adam]

Dk Right. And the Bears run on everyone. It's just a matter of like, Swift may not have more than one or two catches and. And then will he score. But I get it. DK Metcalf is eight top 18. So you're gonna start him for the most part and just hope for the best here he's had a very tough schedule this year. You know, he's only faced by What I saw, two teams that are bottom 10 against wide receivers. He had one terrible game. No, I think three, because I think the. The Bears, too. I think he's had two bad games and one great game in those matchups. But it's been a lot of tough opponents for DK Metcalf. This is, on paper, his easiest matchup. Sit the. The tight ends in this game again. Jared Goff is top five. He's fourth for both Jamie and Heath. Any interest in David Montgomery? Heath?

[Heath]

Not really. I mean, he keeps scoring touchdowns, so if you have to put him in it as a flex, you have that hope that he scores a touchdown. But his. His playing time and his touches have fallen off so far since Dan Campbell was calling plays. And they've gone from saying that we have to get David Montgomery more involved to saying that he's a really classy pro for the way he's handling this. So, like, I think maybe he gets 10 touches. Probably he has eight. You just hope he falls in the end zone.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

I think it's silly to bring this up because Jameson Williams is in your top 12. I think he's six for Heath. But the Steelers have, you know, in their last five games, the Bengals receivers, the Bears receivers, the Bills receivers, the Dolphins receivers, none of them had more than 64 yards. Zay flowers had a huge game, but that's it. Steelers past defense has been much better.

[Jamie]

I'm not.

[Adam]

I'm starting jmo. I just thought I'd bring that up, but, you know, we'll see how he does. And the Lions DST, you guys have them 12th or 11th, I believe. You know, it's not great. Yeah. Try to look for replacements, but Pittsburgh, like, Rogers, doesn't throw interceptions, so they don't give up a lot of points to DSTs.

[Jamie]

I. I think.

[Heath]

Good.

[Jamie]

The one thing where you can, again, you play this out like, the volume of attempts could be up for him. If they're throwing late in the game and taking some sacks, like, it's not. This is not a great week for dsts.

[Heath]

And I'd probably. I think when you're talking DST scoring is so, like, across wild across the board. But I think I might like them a little better if you're getting points for holding teams to lower point totals or lower yardage, as opposed to only getting points for mistakes the offense makes.

[Adam]

All right, a few questions from the chat. Anita Flex, Jalen Coker, Jalen Warren, or Audric estimate half ppr.

[Jamie]

If Camaro's out, it would be SMA for me. If Camara's in, I would go coker, especially if McMillan is out.

[Heath]

Half PPR. So I've got about 10 and a half for Jalen Warren and I think I have Coker higher than that. Nope, I'll take Warren.

[Adam]

R.J. harvey, Cortland, Sutton, D.K. metcalf. Who's your favorite here?

[Jamie]

Sutton.

[Heath]

Full PPR for sure.

[Adam]

Metcalfe, Michael Wilson.

[Jamie]

Wilson without Harrison. Metcalf with Harrison, yeah.

[Adam]

All right, let's go to our next game. It is New England at Baltimore. What a big game. You know, stat of the game is that Derek Henry sometimes struggles against good run defenses, but this run defense hasn't been as good since they put Milton Williams on ir. So Derek Henry and non PPR is a must start in half ppr. Probably the same. But is he a must start? Heath in Derrick Henry in full PPR leagues.

[Heath]

I mean, he's in my projections. He's a top 20 running back. I. I never remember where your must start territory is.

[Adam]

Oh, it's not twice, I think.

[Heath]

I think in full PPR there, there's certainly guys that you could start of. If you're starting Kenneth Gainwell over someone, I'm not sure they're a must start. So he's a low end RB2.

[Adam]

Okay. Jamie, how do you feel about Derek Henry? Like RJ Harvey, Kenneth Gainwell, Derek Henry.

[Jamie]

How you feeling still have Henry over them? I. I just think the, the Ravens, especially with lamar still not 100. I do expect them to be playing with a lead in this game to be leaning on Derek Henry. Like this is the type of games, this is the type of time, this is what you have Derek Henry for. And so Keaton Mitchell's been a little bit of an annoying factor when you're looking at Henry's upside because he's had some big runs that's taken away from Henry's touches. I think he would have had a much better game last week if they had the ball more. But I don't know if I have Derek Henry at this point in the season. I'm pretty happy about it.

[Adam]

Drake May is someone we talked about on yesterday's show as one of the tough calls. And I pointed out that it's really been his. His touchdown interception rate has been. Has been off. His deep ball completions have been way down in his last six games, during which time he is the number 11 quarterback per game. And the Ravens are not a. I don't know if they're a tough matchup. They're certainly not an easy matchup. So drake May is QB 8 or 9 for everyone. I'm gonna throw out a number here. Do you think Drake May gets to 22 fantasy points and six point per passing touchdown leagues?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Heath]

I've got him at 21.

[Adam]

21. Okay. He every week, you know, he's so good. He has great upside. He ran for two touchdowns last week. Just been a little bit off lately.

[Heath]

This is a game I think we probably. He was so much so outlandishly better than everyone else at the deep ball completion stuff in the first half of the year that we should have expected some regression. Like nobody does that for a full year.

[Jamie]

Well, especially as the weather turns. I mean that's a big part of, you know, what you see with especially great teams. You know, they start to run the ball more and you know, get a little bit more conservative and look his receiving core. He was doing that. Then Booty got hurt and missed three games and or two games, two and a half games. You know, that was one of his go to guys. Stefan Diggs has fallen off and so, you know, it's understandable. But he's still clearly in the MVP race and, and having a great fantasy season.

[Heath]

I struggle with him and Burrow him and Dak him and Dart him and Nicks.

[Jamie]

My son asked me today or yesterday. Burrow or May. Those are his two quarterbacks. For me I, I like Burrow slightly.

[Heath]

Better, but it's close and I would probably say SPD this weekend.

[Adam]

I think to me that's a. First of all, if Higgins plays, it's not even close for me. I'm going Burrow. If Higgins doesn't play, then it is pretty close. Bo Nicks. I want to start over. Drake May. You know what, I'll just. I'm in. Going Nicks over May?

[Jamie]

Why not? Yeah.

[Adam]

Nix is set up for a really good game, I think. Okay, but. But we like May still a starter and someone asked Brissette or May. It's definitely Brissette.

[Heath]

He's third.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Imagine saying that in October.

[Adam]

Yeah, I know, right? Lamar Jackson or. Or Drake. May I go Lamar tell you Lamar threw 12 passes last week, scored about 18 fantasy points and. And Zay Flowers cost him eight points. He dropped the ball. That ended up being an interception and he dropped a touchdown. So could have been a really good game on 12 pass attempts for Lamar Jackson.

[Jamie]

Well plus the artist he would have had on the interception and the touchdown.

[Adam]

Yeah, it wasn't A lot. Yeah, it was like 20 yards I think so probably about nine fantasy points were cost there. That would have been a 27 point game. Flowers did have a deep touchdown catch but just those are really easy balls that he dropped too. All right, let's talk about the Travion Henderson. Would anybody start Henderson over Henry?

[Heath]

Yes.

[Jamie]

No.

[Adam]

In. In how many formats would you do that, Heath?

[Heath]

Well, I mean I don't know how many different formats there are, but if you're just talking about non half full it would definitely be in full. Definitely not in none. And I think in half PPR I am starting Henderson.

[Adam]

Last week you talked about Trayvon Henderson and it's like a low end number two running back. But you said something like but he could have a huge game. You know he's of those guys in that range. He could. He's the one who could have a huge game. And you nailed it. He scored 30 fantasy points.

[Heath]

They're both, they're both that guy. They both I think could have a huge game any week. The two of the most likely running backs to just break off that 50 yard touchdown run and all of a sudden it went from well, that was an okay game to yes, it's another game.

[Adam]

Another guy though in Henderson where you're going to put him in your lineup. I know I'm starting up against teeth and you know, could. Could be really bad. It could be eight points.

[Jamie]

You say really bad like that we've seen the floor, you know, with Stevenson like it's 11 PPR points. Like that's.

[Adam]

Yeah, I hope so. I mean look, he had 10, 14 carries last week and Stevenson had six. Just never know what the split's gonna be with with Vrabel. Yeah, I'll take 11. I'll take 11. Ravens are good though.

[Jamie]

Ravens are tough again losing Buchanan. We'll see how much that impacts them.

[Heath]

Yeah, so. So looking at the running backs you're starting against me, you're. Are you more concerned that Henderson. It could be really bad or gain well, it could be really bad.

[Adam]

I would start gain well over Henderson. I'm more concerned that Henderson will be really in full ppr. I'm more concerned that Henderson will be bad than Gainwell.

[Heath]

I think man, I need Marvin Harrison Jr. To get back.

[Adam]

I know dude. It's my whole season is like three of my five remaining teams have Michael Wilson.

[Jamie]

It sways so much.

[Adam]

Yeah, start Diggs. Any interest in Diggs?

[Jamie]

So we got a six game sample size. The first three games of that he was great. 12 or more PPR points the last three weeks. He's been horrible. You wonder. Clearly they're, they're chasing bigger things. He's got some incentives on the line that we're getting close to. You know, he's, he's got to put up some numbers here to get them. I doubt that matters to Mike Raybow, the Patriots, but. No, something, something to consider. Listen, there may have been a conversation with Drake May and, and digs like, hey, help me out here. We've seen receivers put up numbers against this defense. It's not like it's, it's. It's one of those oh my God, I have to sit things. I think it's like four. Four number one receivers in a row have been 18 or more PPR points against them. But is he that type of player? And that's the problem. So Matt Collins has been getting targets. Booty's back again, you know, getting some of his chances. Hunter Henry will be in play. You know, it's just with the way that May is operating right now, I just don't think you can say Diggs is anything more than a starter in three receivers.

[Heath]

Well, I, I said Justin Jefferson was a sit. I'd start Justin Jefferson over Stefan Diggs. Yeah, I'd start. I've got him like basically back to back with Jalen Coker.

[Adam]

He just doesn't play that much anymore.

[Jamie]

No.

[Adam]

You know, Baltimore, by the way, really good against tight ends. Six best against tight ends. They've been pretty terrific lately. So we are not starting Henry. Lamar Jackson is 6th for Jamie, 9th for Dave and 12th for Heath. So kind of a wide range there. Hasn't had a big game since Week 9, but he's been a little unlucky. There have been drops or been the likely fumble at Cincinnati, that kind of stuff. So I think for the most part, people are going to start Lamar Jackson. We talked about Derek Henry and Zay Flowers. You guys have him in your top 18. Dave has him 25th. You know, it's a tough matchup. The Patriots have been dynamite since Carlton Davis or since Christian Gonzalez made his season debut in Week 4. Only four wide receivers are more than 65 yards against the Patriots. They have faced a really easy schedule, though.

[Heath]

I think he's kind of DK Metcalf.

[Adam]

Well, let me ask, would you go with Zay Flowers or the running backs in this game?

[Jamie]

I think you did ask us that question.

[Adam]

Oh, yeah. Oh, no, I asked you just Henderson. So throw Henry in there.

[Jamie]

I would start both running backs over.

[Heath]

Flowers for full ppr. I'd probably go Henderson, Flowers, Henry. Anything else that we start with?

[Adam]

Running backs Henderson or Pickens? Ppr.

[Jamie]

Pickens.

[Heath]

Pickens.

[Adam]

Manangai or Henderson? That's Henderson. Pick two. Kyron Williams. Henderson. Javante Williams.

[Heath]

I would sit Kyron.

[Jamie]

I play both Williams.

[Adam]

And that's it for this game, the dsts. You wanted to start a DST in this game. I don't think so.

[Jamie]

Right? No. Okay.

[Adam]

Cincinnati's at Miami. Jamie has to leave in two minutes. So, Jamie, give me your thoughts on since.

[Jamie]

Oh, you do the whole game. I'm fine.

[Adam]

All right, give me your thoughts on. On this game.

[Jamie]

I think that the Bengals passing game bounces back with or without T. Higgins. Obviously, it's much better with Higgins playing, but this Dolphins defense has not been great. And you look at the quarterbacks who have struggled against Miami, and it's Marcus Mariota, Brady Cook, another crappy. Oh, Dylan Gabriel. Like the, the bad quarterbacks have struggled. The good quarterbacks have done well. And I know Burrow looked miserable last week and everybody questioning his mindset and the press conference and all those things like, this is. I'm coming down to Miami. It's. Weather's supposed to be perfect. Like, he's gonna light up this defense. And to what extent we'll find out. I. The Dolphins are done. You know, they're benching their quarterback. They're. They're in, you know, hang out on the beach even more mode, I think. I think this is a game where Burrow mounts back. You know, it might. Might be his last great game of the season. I'm very confident that this is going to be a good Joe Burrow game. It's going to be a great Jamar Chase game. You're starting Chase Brown, like, you're not benching these guys. But in the case of the quarterback, you know, if you do have some other options, I get it. I would start Brissette over him, Stafford over him. You know, another guy waiver our guy. But. And Purdy, but otherwise, like, for me, I still think Joe Burrow's got as much upside as anybody on the slate.

[Heath]

I. I wrote about this earlier this week, so I think I'm lower on Burrow at 11 in the projections right now. But there is like, it's basically Alan Hertz, Brissette and golf are the four guys that I'm just starting without reservation. And then there's about 13 quarterbacks within a point and a half in the projections and Burrows right smack dab in the middle of that. I think he could have A very good game if, obviously we'll feel better about him if T. Higgins is cleared.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Adam]

Chase Brown is the top 11 running back. Start him. Start Jamar Chase, Start T. Higgins if he plays. And I was going to make a deep sleeper case for Mike Kasicki. You know, he hasn't been very good, but it's only if T. Higgins is out. Dolphins are really bad against tight ends. Third most.

[Jamie]

He hasn't been good. He was great against Buffalo.

[Adam]

Yeah, he was. But he said he's had six, four, six and two targets in. In four games since returning. But he, he had a. He had a 75 route participation rate last week, which was a season high for him. So you can make the sleeper case.

[Jamie]

If Higgins is out.

[Adam]

Yeah, revenge.

[Jamie]

I think you can.

[Adam]

Okay. On the other side of the ball, Quinn Ewers gets the start. Devon Hn is a must start. So here's the other thing with Jalen Waddle, right? Obviously you've got. He's been struggling a bit lately. He's got 8.2 or fewer fantasy points in three of his last four games, including a game against Washington, New Orleans and Pittsburgh. And Pittsburgh's been better lately, but on paper, really bad against wide receivers. Now here are the Bengals. They give up the fifth fewest points in their last eight games. They've allowed 60 receiving yards to three receivers.

[Jamie]

Four.

[Adam]

Four receivers in the last six games have double digit PPR. The last eight games, pardon me, have double digit PPR fantasy points. So it looks like a bad matchup. So I'm super nervous about Jalen Waddle here. I think you guys are so. I mean, Heath, you didn't seem as nervous about it as I am.

[Heath]

I. I just don't know that we have that luxury at this position. Like the, the guys that we have ranked just outside of the top 24 are not guys that you're going to have more confidence in than Jalen Waddle. We're not gonna. I mean, I guess you could start Justin Jefferson over Jalen Waddle or Stefan Diggs over Jalen Waddle or Debo Samuel or whichever charger you think is going to be good. But it's just, it's more a positional thing than anything. And I think it probably is directly correlated with Joe Burrow. If he has a better day, could be better for Waddle. Because a lot of those bad games for Jalen Waddle has, I don't think, have necessarily been reflecting on him. And some of it's been tua, but a lot of it's Just been that they went super run heavy and it worked for a month against terrible teams. Now they're probably going to be playing from behind, so they probably won't have the luxury of going super run heavy.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's a good point. So, okay, Waddle, how about like we can compare him to. Well, from someone says Waddle or Rice. If Rice plays, he's gonna start Rice for sure.

[Heath]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam]

We could compare him to some running backs. How about up Omarion Hampton or Jalen Waddle?

[Jamie]

I might go Hampton. If Quentin Williams is out.

[Heath]

Waddle for me.

[Adam]

So we got this question. Waddle Hampton, Devonte Smith.

[Jamie]

Ppr. I would go with Hampton. If there is no Queen of Williams, I have Waddle.

[Adam]

Well, who'd you go with? Waddle or Devonte Smith?

[Jamie]

Smith. Okay.

[Adam]

Christian.

[Jamie]

I mean they're basically the same guy. Like a lot of the guys he's listed like, like it's, it's, you're, you're, you're hoping for them to play well. And in the case of like Smith versus Waddle, I'll just lean quarterback and I trust Jalen hurts. Even though we haven't seen great performances for Devonte Smith, you know it's there at any time. Waddle's got a four game stretch, as you just alluded to with his starting quarterback where he hasn't played well in great matchups. Yeah, this is not a great matchup. Like this would be tough even with Tua there.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

If you still trusted to it.

[Adam]

Christian Watson or Jalen Waddle, I'd go watching.

[Heath]

If he plays, it'll be Waddle for me.

[Adam]

All right, people, send in your Darren Waller questions here. Heath, I think you said you had him 13th.

[Heath]

Yeah, I mean I had him like sixth at the beginning of the week. But it's, it's really hard. It's. It's not just the two of the Quinn viewers downgrade, it's the, the downgrade in projected scoring for the Dolphins. I think their totals dropped three points and he, he is extremely touchdown dependent. Aaron Waller.

[Adam]

I got a lot of Waller questions coming in here. All right, let's go to the chat and we'll just answer a bunch of questions for this game because this is a tough one and a fun one. Dak Prescott or Joe Burrow?

[Jamie]

Burrow for me.

[Heath]

I currently have Dak. I think one spot higher.

[Adam]

Burrow or Drake May.

[Jamie]

Burrow for me.

[Heath]

I have May, I think two spots higher.

[Adam]

Jalen Waddle, George Pickens or Kyle Pitts?

[Jamie]

Pickens. Well, Pick, if London is out Pickens. If London isn't sure.

[Adam]

I think I answered that one. Micasicki. Dalton. Schultz. Gadsden or Waller? Who's your favorite there?

[Jamie]

Schultz.

[Heath]

I kind of like Guests or Gadsden this week, but not Waller. For sure.

[Adam]

T. Higgins or Teterell? McMillan.

[Jamie]

Higgins.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Waddle or Rico Dowdle?

[Jamie]

Just make sure you have a backup plan because both may be up.

[Heath]

Yeah, right.

[Adam]

Waddle or Rico Dowdle?

[Heath]

Rico.

[Jamie]

Rico.

[Adam]

Would you move on from the Chiefs DST to the Bengals dst?

[Jamie]

No, but I did move the Bengals DST up quite a bit.

[Heath]

I can move them into the rankings.

[Adam]

Waller or Colson? Loveland. Yeah, I think I. I think I like Loveland here. If. If Odunze and Burden are out.

[Heath]

Yep, for sure.

[Jamie]

Lovely.

[Adam]

Waller or Parkinson?

[Heath]

Parkinson.

[Jamie]

Parkinson.

[Adam]

Waller or Brenton Strange?

[Jamie]

Waller. As of now.

[Heath]

I'll stick with Waller there. Yeah.

[Adam]

Waller or Jake Ferguson?

[Jamie]

Waller. As of now.

[Heath]

I'll stick with Waller.

[Adam]

All right, that's it for this game. Jamie. Oh, boy, he's. I've never been so bad on time for this show. And we have four games left here, and it's good.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Sorry, 10 minutes. I might have to move one to tomorrow. All right, Buffalo at Cleveland. And Josh Allen's a must start. James Cook is a must start. Khalil Shakir. We talked about how we don't really like Stefan Diggs. Would you start Diggs or Khalil Shakir?

[Heath]

Diggs.

[Adam]

Yeah. Khalil Shakir is basically a situation. He's 34th for Jamie, I think 36 for Dave, 40th for Heath Kincaid. Yeah, it's been disappointing because Dawson Knox is stealing all the production lately for Kincaid. Browns are 15th against tight ends. It's not a matchup to avoid necessarily, although they've been pretty good lately. Kincaid or Waller?

[Heath]

Waller.

[Adam]

All right, so I know you want to sit.

[Heath]

Kincaid and I would go Parkinson over Concate also. I think all of us would.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Adam]

Theo Johnson or Kincaid.

[Heath]

I would go Theo.

[Adam]

So the Bills are pretty easy. I mean, the Bills are easy.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

The Browns have Judkins and Fanon to discuss here because we're not starting their quarterback or any of the wide receivers. So. Judkins. All right. You are the high guy on Judkins.

[Heath]

From what I saw, because it's right around 18. Yeah.

[Adam]

All right. Dave and Jamie are closer to 24 on Judkins. What are you thinking?

[Heath]

I mean, I. I'm thinking that the Bills are giving up 5.3 yards per carry to opposing running backs as they showed with Travion Henderson Last week they could give up a 50 yard house call at any moment. And I'm thinking that the Browns, at home for as long as they can in this game, will try to run the ball and then when they fall down by 17 points, they'll start throwing more. So it's really how fast do they fall down that fast or fall down that much? And I think the way that Buffalo has played this year when they're not in that scramble mode because we've dug ourself a hole, is not the type of offense that runs away from people. So we may get a few more rush attempts, a few more chances for Judkins at that big breaking run.

[Adam]

Judkins and Genti feel very similar to me. I mean, Genti usually get more catches, but with Judkins, I believe you have three targets. You have three to four targets in three straight games. And he has faced a lot of tough run defenses lately, and this is not one of them. But they just, they feel like the such horrible offenses, right. That you're scared to start anyone on on those teams. And you got Raiders facing the Texans and you've got the Bills. Are the Bills a good defense? I mean, they're not a good run defense, but you could see Shador Sanders really struggling in this game and Cleveland playing from a big hole. So I don't know. I feel like If I get 12 points from Judkins, I'll probably be relieved. You know, that's. I'm just. I don't want to start him. I don't think you want to start him.

[Heath]

No, it's not. I mean, it's. It's a talk. It's a discussion about floor and upside. So I think the upside's much higher than 12 points against this defense. He. You could have 12 points on one run against the Bills.

[Adam]

That's right.

[Heath]

So I think there's top 12 upside and there's a floor that's in the single digits.

[Adam]

So he.

[Heath]

I think both I like and as fast for Genti. I don't know if we're gonna talk about that game or not.

[Adam]

Well, it's on the schedule.

[Heath]

I do think with Geno, like, I feel a little bit better about them.

[Adam]

Doug is pointing out that the Browns have no offensive line and yeah, they have a very injured offensive line. So here's one. Judkins or Flowers?

[Heath]

PPR and ppr.

[Adam]

I'll take Flowers, Judkins, Michael Carter or Kareem Hunt?

[Heath]

Depp, not Kareem Hunt. So I have Judkins and Carter back to back right now I would probably go Judkins, but it's, it's, it's very close.

[Adam]

Yeah, I'd go Carter, but right again, it's tough. Okay. Then there's Fannin. I actually I kind of broke down like in my opinion why the Bills are so good against tight ends. And just this was some thorough research. But basically what I saw was they. If you watch Fannin's targets last week against the Bears zone coverage and he's just camping out in front of the linebackers and they're just giving him these very short area targets and letting him catch the ball. And he had seven catches for 48 yards on 14 targets. The Bills do not allow this. The Bills are a very aggressive defense. They have allowed by far by almost 200 yards, the fewest yards in the NFL on past attempts of zero to five air yards. And that's where tight ends really make their money. Right. It's like a lot of them including Harold Fannin Jr. The Bills are number one against tight ends. It's such a shame that this tight end was all this momentum is facing the Bills this week. You've been fan and over everyone. Right. That's been your motto. How do you feel about fan in this week?

[Heath]

I. I just don't think. And it is a great matchup or a terrible match. I mean a great defense against tight ends. I don't think I can sit a tight end who has 25 targets in his last two games and a 30 target share with his current quarterback. And they have used Harold Fannin downfield a little bit more on occasion. You talked about that zero to five yards. His a doubt's actually six. We talked about Colby Parkinson earlier. His eight dots 3.4.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

So.

[Heath]

And it doesn't seem like. Like Shador just doesn't care. Like the Shador Fanon connection wasn't there at all last week and it was pretty evident early in the game. And he just kept throwing it to him.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Which you saw what happened when he threw it to Jerry Judy. Like what else is he going to do?

[Adam]

Yeah. And they're going to have to throw. So Travis Kelsey had a 25% target share the week before Buffalo. 30% the week after, 17% at Buffalo. Dalton Schultz the three games before Buffalo 20.5, 25%, 22.5% against Buffalo, 14% back up to 25 the next week. I think, I think fan is one of the most difficult calls this week. You're gonna start him over.

[Heath]

Waller.

[Adam]

It seems Parkinson or Fannin I think.

[Heath]

That is the, the one that like people might go away from Fanon for Parkinson. I will stick with Fanon.

[Adam]

Dallas Goddard or Fanon?

[Heath]

It's Fanon for me.

[Adam]

Kelsey or Fanon.

[Heath]

That's one where I would start Kelsey.

[Adam]

Okay. With or without Rashid Rice?

[Heath]

With or without.

[Adam]

All right. Buffalo DST is top four. Speaking of Kelsey, Kansas City's at Tennessee. Gardner Minshew 22nd for Heath as last I saw 19th for James actually I don't know if this is updated with the Rashi Rice news. If Rishi Rice plays, where would you rank him?

[Heath]

He's a must start wide receiver. I think we'll see like 60 of Minshew's passes go to Kelsey or Rice if Rushy Rice is out there. So I, I, I'll start Rushy Rice if he plays.

[Adam]

Yeah, I have him like I think I would start him but more like the fifth wide receiver. 15 or something instead of five, you know, maybe 12, something like that. Like he's not going to be as good. For example, I might start Cortland Sutton over him. I'm going to start Jameson Williams over him. In a league I have the three of those guys. You're not going to start a Chiefs running back, are you?

[Heath]

No.

[Adam]

Yeah. Looks like Pacheco might be the primary ball carrier but we know what happens. Goal line is hunt.

[Heath]

I will say one, one positive thing for them because nobody's have very few people are having much success running the ball against the Titans. If Rice is out the first six games of the season. I think it was a 17 target share for the Chiefs running backs since Rice has been back. They throw to them almost not at all. I think it's 10 which is one of the lowest rates in the league. We did see two weeks ago the Browns playing against the Titans. Their running backs combined it for eight catches for 132 yards. Problem is other than that the Titans have given up almost nothing to running backs in the passing game.

[Adam]

Boy, Xavier Worthing would be really interesting because he, he missed three of those first six games. He played like two snaps in the first game. Then he missed the next two. So that could have contributed to Marquis Brown's production. Could have contributed to the running backs.

[Heath]

I looked at it. It was really weeks four through six when we had Brown and Worthy without Rice and where they had the team lead and target share was 20 and that was when Taekwondo Thornton was playing and drawing a 10 target share. So I do think like I've got in the projections, Worthy's around 24. I'll probably rank him a little closer to 30 just because he has not been good this year and he's playing with Gardner Minshu but he he's a high end wide receiver. 3. I'd start Xavier Worthy over Stefan Diggs.

[Adam]

Yeah, I would really consider him over Waddle. I don't think you would.

[Heath]

I can't get there.

[Adam]

Yeah if it were Mahomes I would Minshu not so sure Travis Kelsey's top five sit Cam Ward starters at Tony Pollard coming off two straight hundred yard games.

[Heath]

He's a good flex. I've got him ahead of Kareem Hunt. I've got him ahead of Amari and Hampton. They've really turned this committee back into more of Tony Pollard's backfield at least on running downs and he's been running hot the last couple weeks. Like I don't know how many people have watched the Titans offense but I wouldn't advise it except for Tony Pollard has been very very good as a runner which is something he's done many times throughout the last three or four years of his career. So I think a very good flex but not quite an RB. 2.

[Adam]

Yeah, he's still just not getting catches although he was not the last two games but yeah not the last three games I guess for him and sit the passing game here good. Good week for Gunner Helm last week. The Chiefs though are really good against tight ends. Chiefs DST is top five. All right. San Francisco's I got a few chat questions here real quick. Judkins, Kareem Hunt or Michael Carter? All right, so that's going to be Carter.

[Heath]

You did that one I think twice now.

[Adam]

That was last game. Okay, here we go. Xavier Worthy, Justin Jefferson. Devonte Smith, pick two.

[Heath]

Am I really gonna start Xavier Worthy over Justin Jefferson? I think I am. I think I'd sit Jefferson.

[Adam]

All right. I'd start Jefferson and I guess Worthy if if Rice is out. Smith if Rice is in. Jefferson had a touchdown called back last week and one went through his hands. I definitely think they are trying to get him involved. Not that I think he's great. Rasheed Rice, Tettero McMillan Olave and Waddle sit one. If Rice plays, they all play.

[Heath]

If they all play, then I'm sitting Waddle.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Adam]

San Francisco's at Indianapolis Stat of the game According to Mapquest it would take 32 hours to drive from Levi's Stadium to Lucas Oil Stadium. Just letting you know Brock Purdy is.

[Heath]

Pretty much a must have good options. So many good choices for a stat of the game between these two teams. You could have done a Philip river stat. You could have done a Colts pass catcher with Philip Rivers. You could have done Brock Purdy and Juwan Jennings stats or George Kittle since Purdy came back. Like there were so many good options and we went with the distance between the two cities if driving by car. Really? And Map Quest. Yeah.

[Adam]

Yeah. I used to.

[Heath]

Definitely one that you still use.

[Adam]

I used to print out MapQuest Direction 100.

[Heath]

Yes.

[Adam]

No, I did say earlier that the Colts have allowed 11 1/2 or more PPR fantasy points to seven wide receivers in their last three games.

[Heath]

Good stat of the game. Start Brock purdy. Start Christian McCaffrey. Start Juwan Jennings. Start George Kittle. We're done with the 49ers. Start Jonathan Taylor. Try to get away from everybody else.

[Adam]

So let's talk about Taylor here because Taylor has in his last four games since the matchups got really tough 8.6 fantasy points at Kansas City, 15.1 against Houston, 11.4 at Jacksonville, 13.1 at Seattle. So that's probably around 12 per game over under 12 PPR fantasy points for Taylor.

[Heath]

I will go over. I loved the fact, I mean, I didn't love it for anybody else on the Colts that Philip Rivers was just get the ball out to a running back as soon as possible. So no one touches me. And 28 touches last week for Jonathan Taylor against Seattle, which is obviously an awful matchup. Jonathan Taylor is a top 12 running back. I'm not even thinking about sitting.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Yeah. I just wonder if you'd sit him for like for RJ Harvey.

[Heath]

No.

[Adam]

Chase Brown?

[Heath]

No.

[Adam]

Okay. I think you're being a little too dismissive, especially with Brown because Brown, you know, seven catches last year. I would start over Harvey though.

[Heath]

I think it's possible. There's a reason that we're an hour and 20 minutes and is because we're having a debate about whether or not we should sit Jonathan.

[Adam]

I don't think we've guessed the thing. I don't think we've really been verbose today. It's just a lot of content, you know, is that the news and notes was. Was killed us like the Dolphins.

[Heath]

I mean, at least people do know now that MapQuest still exists.

[Adam]

I think it's going to be our last game. By the way, Michael Pittman or Jalen Waddle.

[Heath]

Waddle.

[Adam]

Michael Pittman or Justin Jefferson?

[Heath]

Jefferson.

[Adam]

Michael Pittman or Kyle Menangai?

[Heath]

Definitely Menangai in non I would probably start Manangai in half. I'll Go Pittman in full.

[Adam]

Michael Pittman or Colby Parkinson?

[Heath]

I. I'd probably go Pittman.

[Adam]

Here's your stat of the game. Philip Rivers was 2 of 8 for 33 yards with an interception on pass attempts of 10 or more air yards. The interception was on his last throw of the game, so he just cannot push the ball downfield. I honestly think they're making a mistake.

[Jamie]

I don't.

[Adam]

I don't know why they're sticking with him, but. All right, that's it for. For the show. We'll save Houston and the Raiders for tomorrow, which hopefully will be a tighter show, but we'll see. Thanks.

[Heath]

I'm gonna go ahead and guess that it's not, but I. I would just say that I would start Genti and Bowers in full ppr.

[Adam]

Yeah. But they really do warrant some discussion, right?

[Heath]

Yeah, they're not. They're not at Jonathan Taylor level, but I still would.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

All right, everybody, thank you very much. And Dalton Schultz is worthy of discussion too. Thank you very much. We'll talk to you tomorrow with starter sit for the NFC home games plus Las Vegas of Houston. Have a great day. Good luck. Let's get off to a great start tonight.

[Jamie]

See you.

[Heath]

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