Start or Sit (AFC): Woody Marks, Courtland Sutton, Isaiah Likely, TreVeyon Henderson (12/11 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today (CBS Sports)

Episode: Start or Sit (AFC) – Woody Marks, Courtland Sutton, Isaiah Likely, TreVeyon Henderson
Date: December 11, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into crucial start/sit decisions for AFC players heading into Week 15—fantasy football playoff time. Hosts Adam Aizer (absent but referenced), Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, and Heath Cummings offer analysis on tricky matchups, “must start” and “must avoid” players, injury updates, and audience questions. With elite offenses facing stout defenses, the crew debates risk tolerance and opportunity, aiming to guide listeners through one of the most stressful and uncertain weeks of the fantasy season.

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Main Themes

• Navigating “the worst week” of the year, with premier offenses running into elite defenses.
• Evaluating RB and WR depth chart options in light of injuries and recent trends.
• Playoff urgency—risk management and upside chasing versus “playing it safe.”
• Answering tough start/sit listener questions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Week 15: The Worst, Most Anxiety-Inducing, or Just More Dramatic?

• Dave: Opens by declaring "Week 15 is the worst. I truly hate it with a passion." (03:12)
• Heath: "Now you're going to complain about having too many options." (03:22)
• Great fantasy offenses are facing great defenses—example after example listed (Rams vs. Detroit, Pats vs. Bills, Chiefs vs. Chargers, etc.).
• “We all have great teams now; with byes done it’s good vs. good. This is where it gets brutal.” (Jamie, 17:51)
• Best Ball for a Week? Brief but lively debate about whether “best ball” or in-game bench swaps should ever be allowed in week 15 given the stress and randomness. (18:26)

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Players the Analysts Love for Week 15

Jamey’s Favorites

• Brock Purdy vs. Tennessee
  • “Home game off a bye against the Titans feels like a layup.” (06:30)
  • Titans "miserable against almost every QB."
• Woody Marks vs. Arizona
  • "26 carries last week was wild, but even with less volume he’ll smash since Arizona can’t stop RBs.” (07:06)
• Dalton Kincaid at New England
  • Already burned them once, 6/108 in Week 5. “Feels like a slam dunk.” (07:33)
  • Patriots are “really struggling” vs. tight ends.

Heath’s Favorites

• Jackson Dart vs. Washington
  • “A must-start QB this week. Washington defense giving up 23 points per game to QBs.” (09:29)
• Harold Fannin Jr. at Chicago
  • “Start Harold Fannin over almost everybody. Not McBride and Kittle, but everyone else.” (10:28)
• Rico Dowdle at New Orleans
  • “Top 12 RB. The Panthers' run game is rolling; I think we get 35 rush attempts between Dowdle and Chuba.” (11:00)

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Players to Avoid

• Bo Nix at Packers
  • “Been mediocre, and I do not want to trust him against a defense as good as Green Bay’s.” (12:10)
• Aaron Jones at Dallas
  • “We don’t even know if he’ll out-touch Jordan Mason—and Dallas’ run D is awesome now.” (12:10)
• Brenton Strange at Jets
  • “Low volume passing; even if he gets four targets they might mean nothing.” (12:10)
• Jacoby Brissette (vs. tough Texans D)
  • Jamey: “His run of eight straight games with 20+ points ends here. Bad spot—bench him for someone like Mariota.” (13:39)
• Michael Pittman & Christian Watson
  • Jamie: Pittman "at best a starter in three WR leagues," Watson: “Touchdown dependent; terrible matchup vs. Surtain and the Denver secondary.” (14:53)

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Injury & Lineup News Rundown (20:01–23:59)

• QB injuries: Justin Fields/Taylor in question, Geno Smith unlikely, possible Riley Leonard at SEA (and the Philip Rivers drama).
• Woody Marks and Nick Chubb: Both missed practice, but Marks still expected to play.
• RBs: Breeze Hall, Josh Jacobs, Alvin Kamara (possibly out).
• WRs: Drake London (out Thursday), Mike Evans, Jalen McMillan (eligible), Marvin Harrison Jr. (day-to-day—major for Michael Wilson's status).
• TE: Kyle Pitts (expected to play), Kincaid and Hockenson banged up.

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Listener Q&A and "One Tough Question" Per Game (23:59+)

Sample Start/Sit Debates:

Chiefs v Chargers (23:59)

• Start any Chargers?
  • Heath: “Maybe Omarion Hampton if he’s healthier—otherwise, tough sledding. McConkey as WR3 if you must.” (23:59)

Bills at Patriots (24:36)

• Henderson or Diggs?
  • Jamie: “Henderson. Diggs floor could be 4, while Henderson is more reliable, even with Stevenson back.” (24:57)

Green Bay at Denver (25:32)

• Rank: RJ Harvey, Courtland Sutton, Christian Watson
  • Heath: “Harvey, Sutton, Watson.” (25:40)

Bengals at Ravens (26:11)

• Zay Flowers: Start or sit?
  • Jamie: “Starter in 3WR, borderline in 2WR. Bengals have been brutal for WRs lately. Not a slam dunk.” (26:33)
  • Heath: “If Bengals are better offensively this time, might mean more targets for Flowers.” (27:17)

Raiders at Eagles (28:18)

• Rank in PPR: Ashton Genti, Barkley, Devonta Smith
  • Heath: “Genti, Barkley, Smith.” (28:18)

Dolphins at Steelers, DK Metcalf (30:09)

• Jamie: “Still a low-end No. 2 WR, don’t get overexcited by last week.” (30:09)
• Both analysts would start Woody Marks and Harold Fannin Jr. over Metcalf this week.

Jaguars DST or 49ers DST? (82:50)

• Jamie: “Jaguars this week, but rather roster the 49ers for the next two.” (82:50)
• Heath: “Jaguars one spot higher.” (82:56)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dave R (on Week 15 matchups):
  “There are a lot of great offenses playing great defenses this week, and that stinks.” (05:03)
• Jamie E (on managing RB ranks):
  “It gets to a point where, if I have these guys on my team, who would I actually start? If I wouldn’t do it myself, I can’t recommend it to listeners either.” (08:09)
• Heath C (joking about fantasy bench management):
  "My 16-year-old wants to invent a league where, if your player sucks in the first quarter, you can bench him MID-GAME like the NFL." (18:30)
• Jamie E (on Noah Brown vs. Michael Wilson): “He’s never been as good as Michael Wilson.” (55:15)
• Heath/Listener Q&A:
  "Every time you ask me a defensive question, I have to go click on my defensive rankings..." (52:10)

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Time Stamped Highlights

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |:-----------:|:------------------------------------------------------| | 02:28 | Show proper intro; Playoff pressure discussed | | 03:12 | Dave declares Week 15 “the worst” | | 06:21 | Jamey on favorite plays: Purdy, Marks, Kincaid | | 09:29 | Heath’s picks: Dart, Fannin Jr., Dowdle | | 12:10 | Heath’s sits: Nix, Jones, Strange | | 20:01 | Rapid-fire injuries and lineup notes | | 23:59 | Charger/Chiefs: Any Charger to trust? | | 24:57 | Henderson vs. Diggs | | 26:33 | Zay Flowers start/sit debate | | 28:18 | Barkley/Genti/Smith ranking | | 30:09 | DK Metcalf trust level (comparison to Marks, Fannin) | | 37:29 | Purdy, Mahomes, Hampton start/sits | | 41:05 | Drake May’s expectations v. Buffalo | | 44:43 | Judkins/Jenkins analysis | | 50:02 | RJ Harvey versus tough Green Bay matchup | | 59:18 | Jaden Higgins, Dalton Schultz quick takes | | 61:43 | Bengals-Ravens: “Start them all” | | 62:27 | Isaiah Likely: Is he THAT likely? | | 69:42 | Eagles/Raiders: Hurts, Barkley, Smith, Goddard | | 72:28 | Miami/Pit: Injury/backup RB contingency chat | | 77:10 | Jets-Jags: Breece Hall worries | | 81:50+ | Lightning-round Q&A; DSTs & Flexes |

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Miscellaneous Insights

• Emphasis on “variance” this week—big-name stars could flop in tough spots, while unlikely flex plays might be league-winners.
• Strong encouragement to consider recent touch trends, injury reports, and not overreact to one week’s disappointment.
• Heavy warning for players like Christian Watson and Breece Hall due to brutal matchups—major "volume and touchdown dependency."
• Several recommendations to “start both” or “avoid both” among RB duos—context and floor/ceiling balance crucial.
• Tight end discussion highlights uncertainty, but consensus “start” on active/playmaking TEs like Likely, Kincaid, Fannin.

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Final Takeaways

• Woody Marks, Dalton Kincaid, Brock Purdy: Among the best “starts”—excellent matchups + usage.
• Aaron Jones, Brenton Strange, Bo Nix: Avoid if possible due to matchup, usage, and volatility.
• Week 15 is a nightmare for otherwise safe starters—with top talents running into tough defenses, expect a wild playoff round.
• QBs and TEs: Streaming options (Dart, Kincaid, Likely) are very much in play; don’t get married to big names if the matchup is terrible.
• The hosts encourage listeners to consider their own risk thresholds and bench/firewall management.
• Respond to late injury updates—especially for second-tier RBs and WRs.

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Notable Rankings & Cut/Start Lines

• Woody Marks: RB1/2, top 15-18, must-start over risky "name value" RBs in bad matchups.
• Brock Purdy/Jackson Dart: Start both over Mahomes if feeling bold.
• Dalton Kincaid/H. Fannin Jr.: Both firmly top-10/7 at TE.
• Christian Watson: Low-end WR2/high-FLEX, but flagged for “touchdown-or-bust” against Denver.
• Zay Flowers, Devonta Smith, Ladd McConkey: Clustered WR3 range, startable but with risk.

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Summary Table: Key Start/Sit Calls

| Player | Start/Sit & Reason | |----------------------|:----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Brock Purdy | Strong start. Cake matchup; safer than Mahomes/Dak Week 15. | | Woody Marks | Must start/high upside; volume + Arizona’s run D struggles. | | Dalton Kincaid | Slam dunk TE; NE can’t stop TEs, already burned them. | | Harold Fannin Jr. | “Start over almost everyone” except McBride/Kittle. | | Rico Dowdle | Top 12 RB, volume + matchup; ride the hot hand. | | Aaron Jones | Avoid. Dallas D, unclear usage, floor too risky. | | Bo Nix | Sit. Bad on road; GB D is tough at home. | | Zay Flowers | Start in 3WR, risk/reward in 2WR leagues. Play only if you need ceiling. | | Christian Watson | Very risky, only use in deepest/big-play dependent spots. Touchdown or bust versus Broncos. | | Trevor Lawrence | Sit—low volume; even current “hot streak” doesn’t guarantee fantasy payoff. | | Breece Hall | Sit if you have even a halfway-reasonable alternative; awful in “bad game”/“tough D” scripts this year. |

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For Fast Reference

Timestamps for Segments

• Intro & Main theme: 02:49–06:00
• Start/Sit “Players We Love/Dislike”: 06:07–15:14
• Injury/Lineup News: 20:01–23:59
• Game-by-Game Q&A: 23:59–82:09
• Quick-fire Q&A / Rankings: 82:10–83:14
• Closing remarks: 83:14–end

“Memorable Quote” Hall of Fame

• “You hope that your good players shine through in some tough situations, or your opponent sucks because of it.” – Jamie E. (05:52)
• “If sitting that guy [Brissette] because he’s facing the Texans is going to make you feel dumb for the next six months, there’s still reason to have hope.” – Heath (53:46)

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[End of summary – All analysis covers the podcast's original tone, structure, and major insights for listeners preparing for the AFC week15 fantasy football playoff slate.]

Transcript

[Heath C]

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[Jamie E]

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[Heath C]

No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league.

[Dave R]

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[Jamie E]

This is gonna go the distance.

[Heath C]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Dave R]

The fantasy playoffs have arrived. For those of you who are not in the playoffs yet, like 10 team, whatever, and you keep hearing us, I'm sorry, but for most of us, the fantasy playoffs have arrived. We welcome you to fantasy football today presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary. And I'm going to start off by saying, guys, that I hate this week. Week 15 is the worst. I truly hate it with a passion.

[Heath C]

For all the weeks this year that we complained about not having enough options. Now you're going to complain about having too many options.

[Dave R]

But okay, I was like, why do I hate this week? I can't figure out. Here's why. Who are the best defenses in football? Points per game allowed. Houston. They're facing Arizona. We like Arizona. We want to play guys on Arizona. Seattle. They're facing the Colts. We've lost our Colts pretty much. I mean, that works out well.

[Heath C]

We're not getting hurt by Seattle because we're not going to start the Colts. Except for Jonathan Taylor anyway, right?

[Dave R]

I know. Aren't you nervous? Well, aren't you nervous to start Warren and Taylor?

[Heath C]

Oh, I'm much more nervous to start Warren. I'm not going to be nervous to start a top 12 running back.

[Dave R]

The Rams.

[Jamie E]

If, if, if it's Philip Rivers, like, he's just going to dink and dunk his way down the field.

[Dave R]

Yeah, yeah.

[Heath C]

He's going to drop back an arm. Arm put 40 yards downfield. It's going to be awesome.

[Dave R]

The other best defense is the Rams get Detroit. The. The Broncos get the Packers.

[Jamie E]

The packers are the Rams, a great defense.

[Dave R]

They are giving up the third fewest points per game in the NFL. The Patriots are fifth best. They give. They get the Bills. The Chiefs get the Chargers. So it's a lot of fantasy players that we like in matchups that we don't like. The good news is, you know, do.

[Jamie E]

You hate that for the league or you hate that for your specific teams or both?

[Dave R]

No, for everyone. For Fantasy. I don't have any. Drake May, but I. I hate it for Drake May that he has to face the Bills.

[Heath C]

What would be your ideal week? Like what. What's the week we could get where Azer wouldn't have anything to complain about?

[Jamie E]

Where the. The Bengals and the Cowboys are cloned and you play. Every team plays them.

[Dave R]

The Cowboys, Minnesota. Like, it sucks that Minnesota has to play the Cowboys and the Cowboys have to play Minnesota. That sucks. Ideal league would be Tennessee would face Minnesota and the jets would face the Broncos, and we could just.

[Jamie E]

I'm. I'm terrified that I'm going to go up against the team filled. Filled with 49ers, for example.

[Dave R]

Yes. Yes. If you have. Right, my point exactly. That's great. Like, you have the. If you have the bet. If you have the Ravens, if you have the Niners, that's great. But unfortunately, I think there are a lot of great offenses playing great defenses this week, and that stinks.

[Jamie E]

Yeah. But you know what, though? For the most part, most leagues are mixed with some good matchups and some bad matchups for your respective rosters, and that's typically the way it goes almost every week. So, you know, you hope that your good players shine through in some tough situations, like Michael Wilson, for example. You know, like, we had that discussion of how much are you still trusting him, assuming Harrison's out, but how much are you still trusting him against the Texans? And like, you're. You know, who was benching Rashi Rice last week against the Texans? No one.

[Dave R]

No.

[Jamie E]

Right. He's up.

[Dave R]

That's my point. I think there can be a lot.

[Jamie E]

Of guys, but you still have to. But that's what I'm saying. Every team has a player or two like that where they're just starting somebody even though they're in a bad situation. So you just hope that either they shine through or, you know, your. Your opponent sucks because of it. Yeah.

[Dave R]

All right. All right, let's get to. Let's spin it more positively here and get to the players we love. Jamie has Brock Purdy against Tennessee, Woody Marks against Arizona, and Dalton Kincaid at New England. Go ahead, Jamie.

[Jamie E]

Yeah. Just three great matchups. Purdy is, you know, hopefully going to have one of his best games. You see, Sportsline loves him this week.

Get on board. Let's go, buddy. You got, you know, a big opportunity here. The Titans have just been miserable against almost every quarterback that they faced, including Shader Sanders last week, you know, so credit to him for taking advantage of it. Hopefully Purdy does as well. He's been, you know, a mediocre fantasy quarterback in his last two situations. But home game off a buy against the Titans feels like a layup. Woody Marks, very similar situation. Hopefully he's okay. It was on the injury report on Wednesday with his ankle problem. But I don't expect 26 carries like we saw last week against Kansas City, but does not necessarily need that to do well against the Cardinals, who have just been absolutely miserable against running backs, specifically, even last week when Blake Coram and Kyron Williams both did well in that matchup. And then in the case of Kincaid, he already faced the Patriots once in Week 5, had six catches for 108 yards. He's been over 14 PPR points. Excuse me. In five of his nine healthy games, the Patriots have really struggled to defend tight ends. And you know, Kincaid, you know, at least I know he wasn't the best tight end last week and it was the Bengals, but at least came back, showed you that he's okay and to me feels like a slam dunk as well. So I took the low hanging fruit on three very hopefully. I took the longing for on three players who should hopefully dominate this week.

[Dave R]

Yeah, well, I don't know that that's low hanging fruit at all. I mean, Woody Marks is.

Great matchups. Yeah, I mean, no, Woody Marks I'm super excited about. I think he probably could have been on the tough calls show last week because, you know, you've got like, you wouldn't start him over Jonathan Taylor, would you, Marks? No, but you see where I'm going with that, right?

[Jamie E]

I mean, listen, you know, it gets to a point, I don't know how, you know, he's. His process is different than mine in terms of, you know, doing projections. But like, I start to think like, okay, I, whenever I do my rankings, like, okay, if I have these guys on my team, who would I start over the, the next? And you get to a point where, like with Taylor, with Kyron Williams, with, you know, some of these guys, like, okay, I, I wouldn't do that with my own team. So that's why I kind of put these guys where I put them, you know. So I think Marks is a good number two running back. I think he's got a chance to play great. We've seen this a couple times. I mean, look, we had the Buffalo match up a few weeks ago. He had 18 carries and he stunk, you know, so this feels a little bit easier.

[Heath C]

But still, I did tell Adam to start Woody Marks over Kyron Williams this morning. And I have it ranked that way but more so I thought it would be fun if Adam complained about his RB1 all year long and then benched him for Woody Marks and the RB one was good and Woody Marks wasn't be a great Sunday night show you.

[Dave R]

I wanted I leaning that way and you gave me the, the, the, the impetus to make.

[Jamie E]

You can't play both of them.

[Dave R]

I have Josh Jacobs, Javante Williams, Kyron Williams and Woody Marks and I want to start Woody Marks over all of those guys. But I'm going to do it over over Kyron. I wouldn't start him over the other two. All right, Heath, you like Jackson Dart against Washington, Rico Dowdle at New Orleans and Harold Fannin Jr. At Chicago?

[Heath C]

Yeah, I think Jackson dart it, it gets a little wonky if you look at his fantasy points per game. But if you look at his fantasy points per game and his starts, it's right about where Sportsline has him projected at 24 fantasy points per game. He's facing a Washington defense that has given up about 23 fantasy points per game to opposing quarterbacks. I love the Giants this week, specifically the pass catchers. I start dart start, wondale start. Theo, the running backs get just a little bit wonky because Singletary is more involved than we'd like. But you're probably starting Tyrone Tracy as well. But Jackson Dart is a must start quarterback for me this week at the other one, Harold Fannin. It should be obvious by this point with Shador Sanders he has he's number tight end two in target share. He's tight end four in fantasy points per game start Harold Fannin over almost Everybody. Not Trey McBride and George Kittle, but everybody else for me including Brock Bowers.

[Dave R]

Whoa, whoa. Okay.

[Heath C]

I'm a little bit worried about like I'm not sitting Brock Bowers unless I have Harold Fanning, but that I think they have the lowest implied total of the season.

[Dave R]

Oh wow.

[Heath C]

13 points for the Raiders. So and Bowers has been a little bit, I mean he's awesome. He has been a little bit touchdown dependent here as of late because the past volume just hasn't quite been there for him or at least the completions. And then who was my third guy?

[Dave R]

Rico Dowdle.

[Heath C]

Rico Dowdle. I listen the last time the Panthers played the Saints it didn't go particularly well. This was back before Chuba had earned some of his rollback and Dowdle scored a touchdown and caught three passes. So I think he still scored like 15 fantasy points against them. I think with the Panthers coming off of a buy in a playoff race having lost to this team like a month ago that they are just going to come out and crush the Saints. And I think we might get a combined 35 rush attempts from Rico Dowdle and Chuba Hubbard. Even last week when the touches were a little more heavily split than we would like, it was still a good number of touches for Rico Dell. I think it was 18. So he, he is back to a top 12 running back for me this week.

[Jamie E]

Cool.

[Dave R]

All right, let's talk about Sunday real quick. We'll see at 11:11am 11am Till 1pm Eastern. YouTube.com fantasy football today join us for start Sid advice. We're answering a bunch of your questions for two hours. YouTube.com fantasy football today see at 11am Eastern on Sunday. Players to avoid Heath, you've got Bo Nix against the Packers, Aaron Jones at Dallas on Sunday night, and Brenton Strange against the Jets.

[Heath C]

Yeah, I think Nick's is probably a little bit too obvious. Maybe I should have put Justin Herbert there. But he's off. He seems obvious at this point with the way the Chargers offense is going as well. I just as much as he has been good at home and bad on the road road, I don't want to trust a quarterback who has been kind of as mediocre as he has been for fantasy football production against a defense as good as the packers defense is. I do not want to start Aaron Jones. Partially because the Cowboys run defense is awesome now, partially because we don't. I don't think, no. On a game to game basis, who's going to have more carries, Aaron Jones or Jordan Mason? And I'm not sure that there's going to be a huge role in the passing game since they figured out that the way to make JJ McCarthy's goods just only throw the tight ends. Speaking of tight ends, Brenton Strange has been very good on very low volume and I think this could be one of those games against the jets where they throw 24 passes and he might turn five targets into four catches for 60 yards, but he also might turn four targets into two catches for 40 yards.

[Dave R]

Okay, Bo Nicks, avoid Aaron Jones avoid Brenton Strange, avoid. Yeah, we're not. I think it's five or six straight games for Trevor Lawrence with no more than 30 pass attempts, I want to say. And Strange usually around four targets, five targets. Jacoby Brissette is a sit for Jamie. We talked a lot about him throughout the week and Michael Pittman and Christian Watson. So yeah, go for it Jamie.

[Jamie E]

I mean Brissette just the matchup. You know, we saw what they did against the in terms of the Texans against the Bills and Josh Allen against Mahomes. And the Mahomes game is, is somewhat telling here because the offensive line was a mess for the Chiefs and Paris Johnson, the left tackle for the Cardinals, probably going to be out with a knee injury. So I hope Brissette makes it through this game with a decent enough performance that he comes back the next two games and can help you if you survive with Brissette as your starter. But I would put Brissette on the bench and find somebody else like Marcus Mariota, for example, and then you get Atlanta and Cincinnati to close the season. But this is just a bad spot for Brissette. So I think his run of eight straight games of 20 plus fantasy points ends in week 15. In the case of the two receivers, we, we, you know, touched on this with the Colts, like it's, it just feels like this would be a bad spot if it was Daniel Jones playing at his best going into Seattle against his defense like Pittman's been very good. I think you can make a case he's the best fantasy draft pick this season where he was selected in the performance that he gave you, certainly in the conversation, but at best a starter in three receiver leagues. And in the case of Watson, yes, he has, I think it's 18 targets in his last two games, but he's typically been. No, I'm Sorry, he had 18 targets going into last week's game. Only four targets last week.

Now you got to deal with this Bronco secondary. You got to deal with most likely Patrick Certain. This is the type of receiver that those great cornerbacks love to lock up. He may run past him, he may have a big play, but he's very touchdown dependent. He has yet to go over 100 yards. The Broncos only allowed five touchdowns to receivers all season. So if he doesn't score, you may get 11, 12 PPR points. I'm gonna try to avoid Christian Watson this week.

[Dave R]

Oh boy, he gives me. He's one of the other reasons I hate this week. He's been so good and it, you know, you just don't want to chase touchdowns for sure. I, I just do wonder if Sir Tan is going to shadow him or not because if they get him on Riley Moss, you know, Riley Moss gave up a touchdown to the wide receiver from the Raiders that I can't even remember the name of last week. I got a deep ball.

[Heath C]

They get Bo Jackson's nephew, right?

[Dave R]

Oh, was it I think, I think.

[Heath C]

That'S what they said on the broadcast.

[Dave R]

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[Heath C]

Just Shedrick Jackson.

[Jamie E]

Thank you.

[Heath C]

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[Dave R]

Oh, wow. How about that?

This is so stupid. But.

The Bo Jackson on Ohio State is. Is his son. Do we know?

[Heath C]

I don't think so.

[Jamie E]

Oh, no.

Okay.

[Dave R]

I mean he's a running back named Bo Jackson. So.

[Heath C]

Yeah, I mean if, if.

[Dave R]

Yeah, I think you're right. I don't think they are related.

[Heath C]

I didn't think so.

[Dave R]

All right, we'll be right back with news and notes and one question for each game in the worst week ever. See. See you soon.

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[Dave R]

I don't think I've ever said see you soon. Going to commercial break in the middle.

[Heath C]

It's not the worst week of this year either. Like, think back to some of the weeks we've had to deal with this year. Come on.

[Dave R]

That's probably not.

[Jamie E]

But you know, I like the drama in the. In the case of what Adam is. Is going somewhat with the. The theory of like we all have great fantasy teams now. The. The top six. Yeah. Or the, you know, three through six. Whatever the case may be with buys like everybody's got Good teams. So it's no longer like, oh, I'm gonna beat up on the crappy team in my league, even though I have a, a tough lineup situation. Like, I, I know from playing in guillotine leagues, like, this is brutal. Like, you know, you could have great players and the matchups suck. And you're like, I'm gonna get eliminated because, you know, the, the other three teams are just amazing.

[Dave R]

Would it be crazy to make every league best ball? Just for this week.

[Heath C]

Just, just until you said the just for this week, I was kind of like, yeah, love that. I love, I love not having to set my lineup. And my, my, my 16 year old really wants to create a format to where if your player gets injured in a game or if there's, if they suck in the first quarter, that you can actually do what they do in the NFL and bench people mid game and just put somebody else in.

[Jamie E]

So we had this conversation many years ago with our development team.

That could you make something where every league designates a bench player that.

Barring quarterback or barring DST kicker, that player just. You get those points on your bench, no matter who. You can only designate one player, though, so you know it's not your best player on your bench and you can.

[Dave R]

Sub him in for a player that was bad.

[Jamie E]

So in your case, Adam, you have all those running backs, right? You want, you want to play Woody Marks. So you put Woody Marks as your guy. And a receiver gets hurt. Doesn't have to be the same position. Receiver gets hurt. You get Woody Marks points in that, in that spot. But if it's Woody Marks and then you have Romeo Dobbs score three touchdowns on your bench, you don't get Romeo Dobbs. Of course you get Woody Mark's points.

[Dave R]

Yeah, that's fine. I mean, I think the issue is, is how is the injury? You know, like, T. Higgins missed some time last week.

[Jamie E]

He has to leave the game like.

[Dave R]

In the first half.

[Heath C]

I mean, everybody's sitting watching on their phone anyway. You just click a button. Yeah. Put this guy in now.

[Dave R]

Yeah. All right, let's get to the news and notes and we'll try to fix fantasy tomorrow, I guess. But for, for right now, let's figure out who to start and sit. So Justin Fields and Torod Taylor missed practice, so it could be Brady Cook for the jets at Jacksonville. Geno Smith is unlikely to play. Could be Kenny Pickett at the Eagles revenge game. Yeah, Riley Leonard practiced in full, but Philip Rivers is also in the mix at Seattle.

[Heath C]

I think that's an interesting question because there's been all this talk about Philip Rivers. If he is promoted to the active roster, he delays his hall of Fame by five more years.

Is he going to be willing to be put on the active roster to be the QB2 behind Riley Leonard?

[Dave R]

I don't know.

[Jamie E]

Is he going to be willing to? I mean, I think if you make this decision, you have to be at the mercy of your coach, who's apparently your friend, you know? So I'm sure that conversation was had. But why would he do this if he's not going to play?

[Dave R]

Yeah. Yeah. They asked about his weight.

[Heath C]

That was pretty funny, Pop, asking the chat. Is he a Hall of Famer? I think he is.

[Dave R]

Yeah. I think he'll get in. All right, so Jaden Daniels is out, but he.

[Jamie E]

This is. This is great for Ben Roethlisberger.

[Dave R]

Oh, because they're in the same class.

[Jamie E]

Yeah.

[Dave R]

Gotcha. All right, back to the news. Jaden Daniels is out. He could play next week, but he's out there at the Giants this week. Lamar Jackson missed practice just for rest, but I was hoping he would practice all week, but that's fine. Whatever. He's at Cincinnati. Tyrone Tracy practiced in full, so he's good to go for this week. Woody Marks actually missed practice, but so did Nick Chubb. We're not worried about Marks. We don't know about Chubb. Breeze hall missed practice with knee soreness. Chris Rodriguez missed practice. Alvin Camara missed practice. Josh Jacobs missed practice. I think the only one right now that we think is going to miss the game is Camara and Trey and Chubb, maybe. And Trey Benson is out for the season, but Mari Di Mercado did practice. So you're not going to get Trey Benson this year, unfortunately. Disappointing. Two years in a row, he's had opportunities to get some work, and he's been hurt both times. Wide receiver Drake London is out tonight, but he is expected to play next week. Mike Evans and Jalen McMillan looks like they're going to play. I mean, they're. They're off ir. They're eligible to play tonight. Probably leaning that way for Mike Evans playing. We talked about it at length yesterday. With the starter sit lad McConkey Limited with a foot injury. Parker Washington missed last week. He was limited. T. Higgins was limited. He's in the concussion protocol. Romo Dunes A was limited. That's interesting. I don't think we would really want to start Luther Burden if Romo Dunes A played. Denver wide receiver Pat Bryant has a hamstring issue. Cedric Tillman is in concussion protocol and Marvin Harrison Jr. Missed practice on Wednesday. We know that is a big deal for Michael Wilson. Kyle Pitts is questionable for tonight's game. Keep an eye on that. He should play, but he's expected to play. Kate Otten is doubtful though. David Najoku missed practice. TJ Hawkinson missed practice with a shin injury. Offensive line Jamie, you mentioned that the left tackle for the Cardinals is likely out. He could be out. I think he's going to be out. But also Evan Brown. They were missing him last week too, but they're left left to right guard. I'm not sure. Starting offensive guard he was out last week and did not practice yesterday. Tristan Wurfs is going to play tonight for the Bucks. Some good news. Colton Miller, left tackle for the Raiders. He practiced so he's eligible to return in the next three weeks. So is Denver guard Ben Powers coming off ir maybe pretty soon. Trey Tech Trey Pipkins, Chargers right tackle, he missed practice and Eagles right tackle Lane Johnson missed practice and the Cardinals are super beat up on defense. Jalen Carter for the Eagles. He didn't practice yesterday. DeForest Buckner, though was limited for the Colts. Trent McDuffie was limited for the Chiefs. That was great to see. Kicker Eddie Pinero is back for Tennessee or for San Francisco against Tennessee and cornerback J.C. horn is still in the concussion protocol for the Panthers. He's their best corner, is very good. They're at New Orleans but he is making progress. He's trending in the right direction. One question for each game. Chargers are at the Chiefs Heath are Do you want to start any Chargers in this game?

[Heath C]

You know I was just thinking about that and the one that I do have some interest in is Amari and Hampton on the hope that he played 30 of the snaps last week because it was his first game back and not because he put on one of the worst pass blocking performances we've seen this season and I I think he could be a low end RB2. I think lad McConkey if you have to start him as a wide receiver 3 is not the worst thing in the world. But I don't really like I would feel better about my team if I didn't have to start any Chargers.

[Dave R]

Yeah, well that's because week 15 sucks. Yeah McConkey at least he has a good target share most weeks they just have barely been throwing but I'll talk about that more in a little bit. Buffalo's at New England. Jamie, do you like who do you like better? It's a great Matchup for Travion Henderson. You like him or Stefan Diggs who has two duds in a row?

[Jamie E]

Henderson. You know, I, I think the floor has kind of been established in the last two games with Ramandre Stevenson of 11 PPR points, the floor for Stefan Diggs could be four. You know, so Buffalo I know did not do well against him the first time around. I don't know how much that was just him in Buffalo. Revenge game factor play great. He's been very up and down. So I do think that Stefan Diggs can play well here and obviously Travion Henderson could go either way. But I think we've seen the bad games and the bad games I think have been somewhat safe with Henderson again in the two game sample size.

[Dave R]

With Stevenson back, Green Bay is at Denver Heath. Rank RJ Harvey, Cortland Sutton and Christian Watson.

[Heath C]

I think you just did. I would go Harvey Sutton Watson, Arizona at Houston Heath.

[Dave R]

I'll go to you again. You think this is going to be a big game for Dalton Schultz? Great matchup.

[Heath C]

I don't know that it's going to be a big game. I would view him as a, a borderline top 12 tight end. I think right now, like I've got him ahead of Brenton Strange, but. And ahead of Goddard but. And ahead of Ferguson but not quite in the top 12.

[Dave R]

All right, that is Dalton Schultz. Baltimore's at Cincinnati. Jamie starter sit Zay Flowers. Because we just saw this movie two weeks ago with DJ Turner shadowing him and doing a pretty good job. However, you did have the touchdown called back on a pretty iffy pass interference call and Flowers was getting open against Turner for what it's worth. So starters had say Flowers starter and.

[Jamie E]

Three receiver leagues, borderline starter and two receiver leagues. It's not just that game, it's the Bengals. In the last five weeks, it's only four games for them, but five weeks they are number one and fewest fantasy points allowed to opposing wide receivers. So they've been doing just a great job overall all season. Really. I mean, you know, it's a byproduct of tight ends killing them, run games killing them, you know, so take that into account. But yes, DJ Turner's had a very solid season and Zay Flowers, look, depending on the format that you play in, that would have only been his second touchdown this year. He has not scored a touchdown since week one. So we're talking about again, the floor seems to usually be safe. Like I throw out what he did last game, but usually it's around 11, 12 PPR points, you know, and. And that's been in some good matchups. So I don't think it's a slam dunk. You're starting him in two receiver leagues.

[Heath C]

I think it also depends on how. How much better you think the Bengals offense is going to be than it was when these two teams played last time. Like Burrow threw 46 passes and only had 261 yards. If you think that the Bengals are a little more efficient offensively, I think we get a few more targets maybe for Zay Flowers.

[Dave R]

He didn't have Higgins in that game, right?

[Heath C]

He didn't have Chase.

[Dave R]

Chase.

[Heath C]

No, he didn't have Higgins.

[Dave R]

Yeah. The New England game. Higgins missed that game and now Higgins is in the concussion protocol again. Yeah, Flowers has two end zone targets, one green zone target, three red zone targets all year in the 10 games with Lamar Jackson.

[Jamie E]

I mean, again, you play this out how the Ravens can use their tight ends, will use their tight ends, the production from their tight ends. Like they don't really need Zay Flowers to make this an offensive showcase for Lamar Jackson.

[Dave R]

All right. And Raiders are at the Eagles. Heath rank these guys. Ashton Genti, Saquon Barkley, Devonte Smith.

[Heath C]

Once again, I would go in that order in full PPR and. And non ppr. Barkley would have definitely over Genti.

[Jamie E]

Okay.

[Heath C]

And half ppr. Barkley definitely over Genti.

[Dave R]

And I think, Jamie, you have Barkley over Genti in all formats, right?

[Jamie E]

I have Barkley. I think they're gonna dominate time of possession and hopefully this is a good.

[Dave R]

Enough game for Saquon, Devante Smith or Zay Flowers.

[Jamie E]

It's a Spider man meme. I'll take Smith.

[Heath C]

I've got Flowers higher. But yeah, you want to hear a.

[Dave R]

Stat on Devonte Smith? He's had eight or more targets in three straight games and he's been really bad in each of the last two games. But usually when he gets eight or more targets, he is absolute money. And now I can't find my stat, but I think it's over the last three years, 15 of the LA of 21 times where he said 80 more tar. Eight, eight or more targets. Devonte Smith has scored 14 or more PPR fantasy points and it was 17 of. It was 15 of 19 before the last two games.

[Heath C]

You wouldn't really think this would be a high pass volume game for Jalen hurts.

[Dave R]

It was 16 of 19 before the last. No, I know that. But he's still getting a lot of targets lately.

[Jamie E]

All right, this should be Depending on how much he throws. But this should be a chance to get him right. You know, after last week's disappointment, you.

[Dave R]

Know what the Raiders do not. They're not that bad against quarterbacks or 17th against quarterbacks. They give up almost no big plays. One of the best in the, in the league at preventing big plays. It's kind of strange.

[Jamie E]

And great against tight ends.

[Dave R]

Yeah, and great against tight ends. But I think, you know, we're probably going to start the Eagles pass catchers for the most part.

[Jamie E]

Smith, this could be a, a two passing, two just push game for her.

[Dave R]

I didn't mean past catchers, I meant, I meant Hertz and Brown. Yeah, Smith is obviously always tricky. All right, Miami at Pittsburgh. How much do you trust DK Metcalf, Jamie?

[Jamie E]

Well, first off, he's got to make sure he's healthy. You know, it sounds like he's going to play, but I think you just treat him as you kind of have been. You know, if he's been in your starting lineup, you continue to roll with it. I wouldn't get over excited about last week and you know, this matchup is not exactly one. I think we have to say, oh my God, they're, they're, they're great. You know, I know they've been good against receivers, but I think it's byproduct of early in the season teams are running on them. So the Dolphins, I mean, I like the fact that they threw the ball downfield, you know, they made that attempt, you know, that, that, that switch. So he's a little bit better than he has been, but still a low end number two receiver at best.

[Dave R]

So you guys, Heath, you talked about Harold Fannin Jr. As a player you love. Jamie talked about Woody Marks as a player you love. I assume you'd start those guys over Metcalf.

[Jamie E]

Yes. Yeah.

[Dave R]

Okay, last game, jets at Jacksonville. Who do you like better, Breece hall or Jacoby Myers? Heath.

[Heath C]

Both of these guys terrify me, but I'll still, I'll say Bries hole.

[Jamie E]

Yeah, I'll take Myers and PPR if.

[Dave R]

We consider this a tough matchup for Breece Hall. I think he's had four tough matchups going into this game. Tampa Bay, when they were good against the run, Denver, Cleveland and New England. And he scored single digit PPR fantasy points in three of those four games. Cleveland, he had a 42 yard touchdown catch. Other than that, he's been really bad in tough matchups. He's been really bad in losses by, by more than seven points this year. Breece Hall. So he makes everyone nervous, I'm sure. All right, Chargers are at the Chiefs. How many pass attempts he do you have Justin Herbert projected for?

[Heath C]

I have him projected for 33.

[Dave R]

That'd be a lot is 29 or fewer in five of his last six games. And the other one was 33. So that would match the most in his last six games. But when they've been competitive, he's actually had a lot of. In two of those six games, he's had a decent amount of drop backs. Just keeps running nine carries, one week, 10 carries. So that's in like the two competitive games they've had in their last six. There's been a lot of blowouts for.

[Heath C]

The Chargers, so I think, I think that last six goes through. I, I had this stat since week nine. Justin Herbert is QB19 lad. McConkey's wide receiver 35. Quinton Johnston's wide receiver 59. Keenan Allen 74. And A. Ronde Gadsden is tight end 33.

[Dave R]

So we can basically sum it up.

[Jamie E]

We.

[Dave R]

The tough call here is McConkey, right? I mean, no one wants to start Johnston or Gadsden at this point. And, and Herbert's too tough to trust. But McConkey on the other hand, he's great player, but he's been struggling. I asked you guys about Zay Flowers and Devonte Smith. Jamie, where would you put McConkey with those guys?

[Jamie E]

I think I have it. Smith, McConkey, flowers.

[Dave R]

But they're pretty similar, right?

[Jamie E]

Yes.

[Heath C]

I've got McConkey last. Okay.

[Dave R]

And then Hampton or Kareem Hunt?

[Jamie E]

Hampton.

[Heath C]

I have Hunt.

Really?

[Dave R]

That's, that's a nice vote of confidence for Kareem Hunt.

[Heath C]

I'm not, I mean, I just said that I wasn't super excited about Omarion Hampton, so it's not a huge vote of confidence at all.

[Dave R]

Okay.

[Jamie E]

Like you get, you can get the Kareem Hunt game you got last week and he gives you nine PPR points.

[Dave R]

12 carries, 30 yards and a touchdown. This is a great matchup. They really struggle against the run, the Chargers. Maybe they mix in Pacheco a little bit more. Pacheco started the game last week.

Jamie, Rashi Rice, no issues raised. Like top seven for everyone. Briefly on Mahomes, what I'm going to do today, if we're talking about a player that we discussed on yesterday's tough Call show, I'm not going to have a five minute discussion about him today. So I will do it briefly and then I'll refer you to yesterday's show Mahomes we talked about but how do you feel about him? Jamie?

[Jamie E]

Low end starter, has not thrown multiple touchdown passes in three straight games against the Chargers. Did have 28 fantasy points because of his rushing in the week one game in Brazil and the Chargers are number two against opposing quarterbacks. So not an easy situation for a guy that has one great game in his last five, I believe, or last four. So I'm starting him based on hope essentially that he's going to be the Patrick Mahomes that we know he can be. He's been awesome in four of six or five of seven in their building this season. So he's usually great at Arrowhead. I just the only two quarterbacks I would bench him for are Brock Purdy and Jackson Dart of the non regulars. So Mariota, I would not start Mario over Moms.

[Heath C]

I would not either. I've actually got Purdy behind my homes also, but I would definitely start Dart over them.

[Dave R]

Drake, May I start?

[Jamie E]

May I start May over Moms? All right.

[Dave R]

They both have difficult matchups here. Okay. And then yeah, I think let's spend a little bit more time on Hampton and Vidal. So Heath, what are your expectations for them?

[Heath C]

I think I have Hampton projected for like a 6040 split with Vidal likely getting more work in the passing game. I think game script will make a big difference here because like you said, they've really tried to be more run heavy and it could be a situation, like I said with Carolina, where they just have 30 rush attempts and sharing doesn't hurt Hampton that much. I'm pretty worried about the fact that Hampton looks so bad in pass protection and Videl ran a route on like 50 of the dropbacks for Justin Herbert. So I'm not sure Hampton's quite as good in full PPR as he is in non PPR, but he is basically the most borderline RB2 for me this week, right about 24.

[Dave R]

Anything to add, Jamie?

[Jamie E]

I mean, you've seen the Chiefs, you know, give up touchdowns lately and that's kind of been the thing. I think that you're gonna oh for Frampton. It's very similar to Kareem hunt. You know, three running backs, last five games has scored at least 13 and a half PPR points against the Chiefs. That's six touchdowns in that span. So, you know, can Hampton find his way into the end zone and that's what saved him last week on a reception. You know, again, I agree with Heath. He's going to play more than 31 of the snaps that that will hopefully just be a byproduct of them easing back. Easing him back in. I feel like this is going to be a game where the Chargers try to grind it out and not necessarily make Justin Herbert with a broken hand have to win it for them, especially if they're chasing points. But if that's the case, then Hampton's going to be in a little bit of trouble, at least. The expectation so low in number two running back.

[Dave R]

All right, Travis Kelsey's the last guy we'll talk about here. He's top seven. Tough to get away from him. But if you have Harold Fannin Jr. You starting him over Kelsey?

[Heath C]

Yep.

[Jamie E]

Yep.

[Dave R]

Dalton Kincaid over Kelsey.

[Jamie E]

For me? Yes.

[Heath C]

I would not.

[Dave R]

Dalton Schultz.

[Jamie E]

I would not Kelsey over Schultz.

[Dave R]

Anyone else named Dalton? Andy Dalton?

[Jamie E]

No. Roadhouse Dalton, probably.

[Dave R]

I don't know who that is.

[Jamie E]

You never seen the movie Roadhouse?

[Dave R]

The original.

[Jamie E]

I've never seen the new one. Yes, this is.

[Heath C]

This is a good one. I would start Pitts over Kelsey.

[Jamie E]

Yes.

[Dave R]

We're talking about Roadhouse here. All right, back. Let's go to your questions here. Purdy or Mahomes? Jamie goes Purdy. Heath goes. Mahomes are very close. Would you start Hampton over Woody Marks or rico Dowdle in PPR?

[Jamie E]

Nope.

[Dave R]

Lad McConkey or Chris Olave?

[Jamie E]

Olavi Olave.

[Dave R]

Hampton or Jordan Addison? PPR.

[Jamie E]

Hampton.

[Heath C]

Yeah.

[Dave R]

Hunter Stevenson. Half PPR.

[Jamie E]

Hunt. Hunt.

[Dave R]

Ladd Sutton or Kareem Hunt? PPR.

[Jamie E]

Sutton.

[Dave R]

Xavier Worthy or Devon Vale?

[Heath C]

They are back to back for me. I'll. I'll say Valley to be.

[Dave R]

Worthy versus the Giants. Receivers.

[Jamie E]

Wandale, Slayton Worthy, Hodgins.

[Heath C]

I'd go Wandale Worthy, Slayton Hodgins.

[Dave R]

Okay, Moving on. These DSTs are in play. Certainly chart. They're both top 12. Chiefs are top 12. Chargers are a little bit outside of that. All right, Buffalo is at New England and. Yeah. Fun game here. Hopefully. Huge game. New England. And New England is in the playoffs. If they win, they clinch the division. I'm pretty sure they're definitely in the playoffs with a win anyways.

[Heath C]

I mean, this. This game has enormous MVP ramifications. Yeah, enormous.

[Dave R]

Any tough calls with the Bills, Heath?

[Heath C]

I think Khalil Shakir is a very tough call because the targets have kind of disappeared as of late. But we know he has the potential to be their number most targeted wide receiver and see eight or nine targets and be. And be a good number two wide receiver. I think it's better to view him as kind of a low end number three with the loss in volume recently.

[Dave R]

Did he. What did he do in the first game? Did he play? Did he miss that game?

[Jamie E]

I don't know.

[Dave R]

I have that. Khalil Shakir against New England. He had six catches for 45 yards, 11 fantasy points on nine targets. I can't figure out the usage with him. I just can't. But four or fewer targets in three of the last four games?

[Jamie E]

Yeah. Khalil Shakir game.

[Heath C]

That's what he's not done in the last.

[Jamie E]

No, no.

[Heath C]

Yeah.

[Jamie E]

Lately, no. But.

Like I have a. I have a tough call in one league with Shakir versus it's half PPR with Kareem Hunt and I want to play Shakir because there's to me much more upside. But like at least Hunt, I know I can get probably 9 to 12 points at this point if he scores. Shakir just feels very frustrated right now.

[Dave R]

But who. Okay, so Shakir versus Kareem Hunt. Who's more likely to score?

[Heath C]

Hunt.

[Jamie E]

Hunt.

[Dave R]

But who's more likely to have more total yards?

[Heath C]

I think yards is probably a push. It's just that Shakir might have five more catches.

[Jamie E]

Right. If this was full ppr, it's no question it's secure. If this is half, if this is non pbr, there's no question to Tunt, you know, the half puts it a little bit of a tough call.

[Dave R]

All right, start Josh Allen, start James Cook. Patriots run defense hasn't been. Not that you wouldn't start Cook anyway, but hasn't been quite the same since Milton Williams went on I.R. dalton and Cade. Jamie likes a lot more than Heath. Jamie and Dave have concayed top seven. Heath has him 11th, so you can certainly still start Kincaid. Patriots are 24th against tight ends. Back to Kalil Shkir real quick. He's behind McConkey. He's behind Zay Flowers, behind Devonte Smith. Those guys, right?

[Heath C]

Yes.

[Dave R]

How about the Bucks receivers tonight? Looks like Evans is going to play. Where would Khalil Shakir fit in with them?

[Jamie E]

He's ahead of Godwin, behind Evans and Abuka.

[Heath C]

I would say it's exactly the same for me.

[Jamie E]

Okay.

[Dave R]

Drake May. So look, the Bills only two quarterbacks have been good all year against the Bills. Lamar Jackson, week one, Joe Burrow, week 14. Jamie Start or sit? Drake May.

[Jamie E]

I would start him but I do like Purdy and dart better than him. So there's, you know, two guys that again, non regulars. It's not going to be easy. You know, you hope that last week, last time these two teams played, the Patriots are playing with the Lead, you know, hopefully this time the Bills are playing with the lead and we see a little bit more of Drake May having to throw the ball, but he just didn't score touchdowns in that game, you know, so I'm hopeful that he has a multiple touchdown game and uses legs a little bit, can be the third best quarterback against the Bills this season. So it's not easy. This is one of those guys. You know, to your point, Adam, about this being a crappy week. Like, this is a guy that has been carrying a lot of fantasy managers and you can't say like this is the week that he will help me win my league at least based on the matchup going into it.

[Dave R]

Okay. First game against the Bills, 12.1 points, 273 yards. He's always. He's almost always getting 270 or more yards. It's pretty amazing.

[Jamie E]

He's awesome.

[Dave R]

Yeah, he's great. So that's something to hang your hat on. That's good stuff. All right. Travion Henderson, we talked a little bit about earlier, looks like he's around 24th. He's tough, man. I don't. And Ramon DRE Stevenson's around 36th.

[Heath C]

I will say, like a lot of times you have guys ranked in a similar range. Henderson is kind of a guy more that I want to start in that range. Even though you can't rank him super high because of the split with Stevenson and the risk of Stevenson getting the touchdown. But man, I could see Travion Henderson having a great game.

[Jamie E]

Yep.

[Heath C]

And even with the way variables dealt with the rookie this year, it still is true that for. There's a reason we have the. A rookie coming off a buy.

[Dave R]

Right.

[Heath C]

This could. This could be the time they set him loose. And in that last game, Stevenson was, from my recollection, really not very good. And Henderson was a lot better late. I, I just, I really have a little hope. You can't rank it, you can't project it. But I have a little hope that we get like 16 touches for Henderson and he just goes wild against this Bill's defense.

[Jamie E]

He's. He's the one guy on this team that could take their offense to another level. Yep. Like maybe Kyle Williams also, you know, another young explosive player. But like.

Man, Stevenson just doesn't have that juice. And if Henderson could ever figure it out and Variable can trust him, like you saw it in the games where Stevenson missed. Like that's the thing that takes this team to, you know, yeah, maybe they can make a playoff run or Holy cow. If, if this kid clicks, like they could be scary.

[Dave R]

Yep. Would you start him or Woody Marks? Henderson or Marks Marks.

[Jamie E]

The mat. The matchup and the touches are just too hard to overlook for Mark.

[Heath C]

And Woody Marks could have a huge game. He has a lot upside too.

[Jamie E]

But I think like when you start to. When you start to look at Henderson versus and most people are gonna still start these other guys, but Henderson vs. Breece hall and his tough matchup and Henderson vs. Judkins and what he has done or not done recently. Henderson versus Jalen Warren, you know, those type of guys, you know, where, you know, they're, they're getting work. Match up good. Some cases not great. You know, like.

Henderson can be so much better than them.

[Dave R]

Okay, I'm starting digs this week. I just feel like two receiver league.

[Jamie E]

Or three receiver league?

[Dave R]

Two.

[Jamie E]

Okay.

[Dave R]

I mean, I don't have great receivers in that league.

[Jamie E]

No, but that, that's the question. Because I think in every three receiver league he's starting.

[Dave R]

Actually, no, I have Michael Wilson. I forgot I have AJ Brown and Michael Wilson. So I think he'll be my flex.

I don't know. I'm going to buy into the narrative that he's going to do well against the Bills again. But if he has another bad game, I don't. I think it's like hopefully you advance to the next round, but you cannot trust him. The metrics are so good. When he's targeted it just. And he's in the slot a lot. You know, the Bills have been very good against these outside receivers lately because Christian Bedford's playing really well. But he's in the slot. Digs in the slot all the time. So he should have a good game.

[Jamie E]

I hope so. He should.

[Dave R]

All right, let's see what the. We have Hunter Henry as well. I think you guys want to sit him as a tough matchup. Henry can concave. We're going Kincaid. Patriots, DST or Broncos?

[Jamie E]

Broncos.

[Dave R]

Broncos. Judkins, Hampton Diggs, Ameca, Abuca, Justin Jefferson. Does Diggs crack the top three here? Judkins, Hampton, Diggs, Abuka and Jefferson.

[Jamie E]

In ppr, I play the three receivers.

[Heath C]

I would have Judkins over digs.

[Dave R]

I would start him over Abuka and Jefferson though.

[Heath C]

You guys?

[Jamie E]

Yeah.

[Heath C]

No.

[Dave R]

Okay. You guys are not feeling it with digs like I am. That's fine. I understand.

[Jamie E]

I mean, I have all three receivers in a very similar range. I, I again, I think there's. To me there's more upside with the receivers. There's obviously a lot More downside as we've seen with with Jefferson and all three of them. But like Judkins needs touchdowns and will he get them? That's the question.

[Heath C]

I. I wonder if Judkins has a few more targets with Ford out and Sampson banged up.

[Jamie E]

Well, that was the case last week, though.

[Heath C]

Yeah.

[Dave R]

Drake Mayer.

[Jamie E]

The Browns were to score as many points as they did and shoulder would play as well as that. You would thought Judkins would have a monster game.

[Dave R]

Definitely. Drake May or Jordan Love?

[Heath C]

May.

[Jamie E]

May.

[Dave R]

Drake May or Joe Burrow?

[Jamie E]

Burrow. For me, I have this decision to make in several leagues.

[Heath C]

I have May. The decision I've been making all year that I have to make is May versus Deck and I haven't decided that one, but.

[Dave R]

Oh, oh, yeah, that's tough. Henderson or Dowdle.

All right, go on to our next game here after this quick commercial break on fantasy football today. When we come back, it is Green Bay at Denver. Be right back. Back to the games. Packers are at the Broncos. How's Jordan Love done in tough matchups? Terrible. And no one's really telling you to start Jordan Love, but this is relevant for Christian Watson. I've got him with five tough matchups at Cleveland, at Arizona, they had been tough. Carolina, they don't give a lot of fantasy points to quarterbacks Philadelphia and Minnesota. He's thrown for more than 183 yards once in those five games. Great stat from Dave here. Eight wide receivers have scored 13 or more PPR fantasy points against the Broncos. All eight of them had nine or more targets. That's what it takes to do well against the Broncos. And a Packers wide receivers had nine or more targets three times all year. Thank you, Dave Richard for a great stat.

[Jamie E]

How many of those games are with certain out?

[Dave R]

He only missed two games, right?

[Jamie E]

One. He left one very early.

[Dave R]

He missed the Nico. Nico had a big game and I honestly don't remember, but nine targets is kind of what what it takes. Watson's a different animal because he can, you know, he's so efficient. But anywho.

Yeah, I mean, is Josh Jacobs the only guy you want to start for Green Bay? Jamie?

[Jamie E]

Yes.

[Dave R]

All right. We've talked a lot about Watson. Where's he in the rankings?

[Jamie E]

25, 28, I believe.

[Dave R]

Okay.

[Heath C]

I would start him over Diggs.

[Jamie E]

I would start digs.

[Dave R]

Would you start Watson or Hampton?

[Jamie E]

I would start Hampton.

[Heath C]

I think Hampton's a lot safer. I think Watson has more upside. I would probably start Hampton, too.

[Dave R]

We like Sutton better than Watson, right?

[Jamie E]

Yes.

[Dave R]

Do we like Sutton?

[Heath C]

Jeath in general, I don't really. He is top 24. I think you're probably starting him. The Broncos just always make me nervous with their usage. And this is one of the lowest over unders of the week. So I'm not sure you're going to get a touchdown. And he hasn't had a lot of great games this year without a touchdown.

[Dave R]

Okay. Yeah. 42 and a half over under.

I'm not going to talk about Jacobs, but I will say this about Jacobs. The Broncos have not allowed more than 11 receiving yards. So running back in six straight games, it's insane. So you better hope he scores. What else we got here? So Harvey, this is a guy six teams though.

[Jamie E]

I mean, I know Raiders, but Raiders twice, right?

[Dave R]

Raiders twice. And Genti, I mean that's the most impressive one. Genti have been so involved.

[Jamie E]

One of those was Washington. They don't use their running backs in the passing.

[Dave R]

Chiefs, Texans, Cowboys, Washington, Raiders twice.

[Jamie E]

So part of that is who they.

[Dave R]

Played 11 yards though.

[Heath C]

I mean, all right, I don't know.

[Jamie E]

It's, it's, it's impressive. But we, we, we've seen Woody Marks get phased out of the passing game for some stupid reason. The Raiders, I mean the commanders never throw to their, their running backs like.

[Dave R]

Yeah, well, the packers don't do it that often either. But Jacobs 3 catches his last two games, but sometimes he gets like five. You never know. Okay, so RJ Harvey is just like, I'm happy to have him this week. I know it's looks like a tough matchup on paper, but they're missing devonte Wyatt, so maybe they're not as good against the run. Like Harvey is going to be started in a lot of leagues. In fact, I'm a little surprised he's only 15th for you guys. But whatever. Start RJ Harvey.

[Jamie E]

Well, the, I mean the risk is like you take the game two, two games ago against Washington for them, right? He was my start of the week. I got lucky as hell that he gave you the fantasy production he gave you because he scored two touchdowns. One of them wasn't overtime. So you love the fact that he's involved in the passing game. That should continue in this matchup. Is he going to have success running? Because we know how he likes to bounce things to the outside. This is a very aggressive defense. He could have a couple of huge runs here. But yes, missing Wyatt is, is big. They still did a pretty good job though against the Bears rushing attack.

Did they?

[Dave R]

I don't, I don't know that they.

[Jamie E]

I mean, given how successful Chicago's been running the ball.

[Dave R]

Yeah, they didn't give. Yeah, they really didn't give up any of those, like, big plays. They've. They've played three games without Wyatt and they've held up fairly well. So you're right, it is a tough matchup. But he's top 15 for. He's 15th for Jamie and Heath. That's RJ Harvey. He's 17, 18th for Dave. Real quick, I skipped Jaden Reed and the other receivers. You know, we. Xavier Worthy or Jaden Reed, Who'd you rather start?

[Jamie E]

Read, read.

[Dave R]

Jane Reader. Khalil Shakir Secure.

[Heath C]

I feel like they're kind of the same guy. I'm a little bit more optimistic that maybe they have to get Reed more involved on some of these gimmicky type plays that he has success on because they can't succeed throwing the ball downfield against this defense. But I've got Reed one spot higher. They're both right around wide receiver, 36.

[Dave R]

Hey. Two carries for 22 yards last week. That's always a possibility with Reed. How about.

[Heath C]

Didn't Debo have a good game against the Broncos?

[Jamie E]

Debo did have a good game against Broncos. That was with Mario throwing fifth. No. Yes. No. He was okay. McLaurin had the big game.

[Dave R]

Yeah.

Had a deep ball catch in overtime against Riley Moss, who stopped running on the play. It saved his bacon a little bit. We're sitting the tight ends, right? Definitely. Yeah. And the DSTs. Which one do you like better, packers or Broncos?

[Jamie E]

Packer slightly.

[Dave R]

Start the job.

[Heath C]

Every time you ask me a defensive question, I have to go click on my defensive rank.

[Dave R]

That's why I was even. I wasn't even going to make you answer.

[Heath C]

I have the packers one spot ahead of the Broncos, so I agree completely with Jamie.

[Dave R]

Start the Jaguars over them.

[Jamie E]

Yes.

[Dave R]

Start the Niners.

[Jamie E]

Yes.

[Dave R]

Okay, quickly. We'll see if we have any chat questions. Shakir Godwin or Troy Franklin?

[Jamie E]

Shakir. Yeah.

[Heath C]

Shakir.

[Dave R]

Jaden Reed or John Mechi?

Jennings or Sutton?

[Jamie E]

Jennings for me.

[Heath C]

Sutton for me.

[Dave R]

A Booker or Sutton?

[Heath C]

Sutton for me.

[Dave R]

Yeah, I'm done with. With Troy Franklin. He played. He ran 35.

[Heath C]

What? Not if Pat Bryant's out.

[Dave R]

Oh, that's true. If Pat Brian's out, it makes things interesting.

[Heath C]

That's the guy who's been playing ahead of him, so. Yeah.

[Dave R]

And like I think you said yesterday, you don't trust Sean Payton, so I totally get that.

[Heath C]

I wonder if. Because Franklin and Nicks played together in college, right?

[Jamie E]

Yes. Yes.

[Heath C]

I Wonder if Sean Payton just had to take Troy Franklin off the field so Bo Nix would stop throwing to him and start throwing a Cortland.

[Dave R]

He's throwing to his buddy, Arizona's Ed Houston. Trey McBride trying to break a record for most consecutive games with five or more catches by a tight end. Only one tight end has had five or more catches against Houston this season. So listen, we've spent a lot of time this week on Brissette and Michael Wilson, so we're going to be quick with it here. Listen to yesterday's show if you want more on them. Heath, where do you have Brissette? Where do you have Michael Wilson?

[Heath C]

Brissette's right around QB16. We are calling him a sit. I would be. I would like. No question about it. I'm starting Jackson dart over him. I think, like when it comes down to the Mariota thing or even the Purdy thing, something Jamie said earlier in the week about if you bench this guy that was drafted in round four for this guy that has a good matchup, you might have to sit with that for the next few months and you have to decide like what's the thing that would upset you the most. And I think it's the same thing with Brissette. He wasn't drafted high, but we got like eight weeks in a row of him averaging 24 fantasy points a game as a starter. If sitting that guy because he's facing the Texans is going to make you feel dumb for the next six months, then there's still reason to have hope for Joey Brissette because he's played like four good defenses. Not the Texans, but four good defenses and given you at least 20 points every week and at least 23 almost every week. So he we're calling him a sit, but it's not like a must sit. I don't think there's still reason for hope. And we're starting Michael Wilson.

[Dave R]

Yeah, okay. Michael Wilson is like a top 12 wide receiver. But if Marvin Harrison Jr. Plays, Michael Wilson will probably be a situation. And where would Marvin Harrison Jr be ranked?

[Heath C]

Heath 25.

[Dave R]

Why not? Where will total guess why not where.

[Heath C]

Wilson's ranked because he's not as good as Michael Wilson.

[Jamie E]

He doesn't do the same things.

[Heath C]

He's never been as good as Michael Wilson.

[Dave R]

Yeah, I think. I don't know.

[Heath C]

I think he's more talented than Michael Wilson, but the way that they use him, he doesn't get targeted at the same rate. He doesn't work necessarily in the same part of the field. It's just not the same guy.

[Dave R]

He was really tearing up the Bucks.

[Jamie E]

Dallas.

[Dave R]

Well, Dallas, yeah. And that was like the best game we've ever seen for him. But against the Bucks, he had a.

[Jamie E]

Oh, he got off to a great start, you're right.

[Dave R]

Yeah, he had a 24% target per route run rate. He had six catches for 69 yards on seven targets. And then he got hurt.

[Jamie E]

Look, he is. And Heath, correct me if I'm wrong in this. He. He should be such a buy in dynasty, such a buy in keeper leagues if you can get somebody, you know, depending on how many players you keep, like, whatever quarterback they are going to get is going to be more in the mold of Brissette than Kyler Murray. They're going to get a pocket quarterback, I would assume, or somebody that could play in the pocket. And you see the upside of what Trey McBride and Marvin Harrison are like those guys and Michael Wilson, obviously. But, like, you see the upside of what the receiving core could be, you know, with. With a quarterback that plays on schedule.

[Dave R]

Okay, so let's go to the Texans here, start McBride. We do not want to start the running backs for the Cardinals this week. C.J. stroud or Jacoby Brissette?

[Jamie E]

Jamie, I go Stroud. You know, again, it's tough to make that call. I get what Heath is saying, but, like, you're looking at the matchup here. And the last three quarterbacks against the Cardinals have done Jacoby Brissette like things. And so, you know, again, who have those guys been? Well, one was Brock Purdy, who threw for three touchdowns. One was Trevor Lawrence who threw three interceptions and three touchdowns. And one was Matthew Stafford, who obviously beats up everybody. But I think you just look at what Stroud has done in these type of situations. Two of three games at home over 22 fantasy points, taking advantage of good matchups this season. Well, that's when he's actually been at his, you know, best and looked like the quarterback we saw as a rookie. The last two games for him have been tough because the matchups have been brutal. I get it. I understand everything he's just said, you know, but wouldn't surprise me if, if Stroud is 20 to 22 and. And Brissette is 18 to 20.

[Heath C]

I have Stroud one spot ahead of Jacoby Brissette right now. This might be one that goes up to Sunday morning because I do feel like if I started Stroud over Brissette with what they've done the last two months. Two months. I would feel like an idiot again.

[Jamie E]

Just keep in mind this defense is awesome. And now new left tackle for the Cardinals. Yeah. Yep.

[Dave R]

All right. We talked about woody marks. He's 16th or so. He's, like, right next to RJ Harvey in the rankings. Jamie, you said he was a player you love. Just real quick. Would it change if Nick. Chuck.

[Jamie E]

If Nick Chubb played, would I start Harvey over?

[Dave R]

No. Would Mark's ranking change if Nick.

[Jamie E]

Oh, not much. I mean, you know, Chubb has been a factor. I think Dario Goombawale, if that's who they're going to go with as their backup guy, seems like that's the case, would be a factor. They've shown you what they're. What they think of Woody marks. You know, 17 carries, 18 carries. I mean, that's been very consistent. Then last week, 26 carries. Like, I know Nick Chubb left the game, but, like, they're running this kid into the ground right away. And so I would be very surprised as they're making this playoff push in a game that they should dominate, that Woody Marks does not have the chance to get up, get them off to a great start. So he may, you know, if this ankle injury is nagging him and, you know, we've seen him, you know, get up slowly a few times, leave the game for a series or two. You know, it feels like, oh, my God, he got hurt and something's, you know, terrible here. But, like, how did they not give this kid every chance to run through this defense that's just been huge, gaping holes for running backs the last month.

[Dave R]

All right, I gotta tell. Sorry, Heath, the Cardinals, you like 12.4 PPR fantasy points as a floor. All but one game, a running back has scored 12.4 or more PPR fantasy points, 16.1 or more. How about this? Five running backs have scored 16.1 or more PPR fantasy points in the last four games against the Cardinals. Start Nico Heath, Jaden Higgins, starter. Sit.

[Heath C]

I don't really want to be starting him, but if. If I'm in a deeper league and he's my wide receiver three, then. Then there's. There's reason for hope. I think he's a good player. He's wide receiver 41 for me. So right in that Brian Thomas Jr. Range. He's ahead of him. He is behind Vale. He is behind Shakir. He's behind Jaden Reed for me.

[Dave R]

Dalton Schultz is 10th to 12th in the rankings. It is a really good matchup. And he's behind Isaiah. Likely not for Heath, though. He's behind Tyler Warren. Still.

Behind Fannin. Would you go Theo Johnson or Dalton Schultz? Theo Schultz and start the Texans DST and let's go chat real quick. Michael Wilson or A.J. brown?

[Jamie E]

Brown for me.

[Heath C]

Brown.

[Dave R]

C.J. stroud or Jordan Love?

[Jamie E]

Stroud.

[Heath C]

I've got Stroud.

[Dave R]

Brissette or Herbert Brissette?

[Heath C]

Brissette.

[Jamie E]

The.

[Heath C]

The final Brissette stat as I'm trying to convince myself that he could be okay. Since week six he's averaging 49 drop backs per game. Second is 43.

[Jamie E]

Wow.

[Heath C]

There's like five quarterbacks over 40. Like he could have a bad game. That is still a good game for fantasy just because he drops like like you said, they're not going to be able to run against Houston. It's probably going to be over 50 drop X.

[Dave R]

You want to know the quarterbacks I said this I think on Tuesday four quarterbacks have thrown 37 or more passes against against Houston, Baker Mayfield had the best game of any quarterback. 24 fantasy points, six point per pass, touchdown leagues. Trevor Lawrence, 40 pass attempts, eight fantasy points. Bo Nix, 37 pass attempts 20.5 and Cam Ward, whatever. 37 pass times 15.1. I'm gonna say let's 20.

[Heath C]

The two of the four scored at least 23.

[Dave R]

Two of the four.

[Heath C]

Yeah. And you're gonna be presents better than all of them.

[Dave R]

Yeah, he's better than most. All right, Baltimore's at Cincinnati. I'm going to make this game easy. We'll spend a lot of time in the tight ends. But Jamie, is this pretty much start them all kind of game here? I mean there's a lot of starts in this game, right? Baltimore, Cincinnati.

[Jamie E]

Yeah, for sure. You know, I mean both quarterbacks you should be starting. Both running backs you should be starting. You're starting Jamar Chase you should be starting Isaiah Likely. And then it comes down to do you trust Zay Flowers as a must start guy in two receiver leagues? I would say no, but I certainly can understand if the answer is yes. Gaseki's setup is great but this is not the best matchup for him. So he's a borderline starter I think. And Yoshivas if he starts in place of T. Higgins is a desperation play. Obviously starting Higgins if he's out there.

[Dave R]

All right, Heath, I really want to get into this because you are not sold on Isaiah Likely the way Heath and the way Dave and Jamie are. Sorry. And yeah, go ahead, discuss your thoughts on likely.

[Heath C]

I think my problem with both of the Ravens tight ends is the same thing and I think I said it two weeks ago when these two teams played. If I could start Ravens tight end then just get the best one, then they'd probably be a top five option. One of them is probably going to be good.

[Jamie E]

I.

[Heath C]

There's so many tight ends that I have projected to score eight fantasy points this week like it. And that's what Andrews had last time. I think one of them probably scores between 6 and 8 fantasy points and one of them probably scores 12 to 14 fantasy points. I don't have any idea which one it'll be. I could see likely leading the team. Leading maybe the team, but the tight ends and targets. And Andrews has three targets and scores two touchdowns.

[Dave R]

Yeah, I'll give you the stat. It's really just the last two games for likely. Well, he only has one more target than Andrews. Andrews has 11. He has likely has 12. This is in the last two games. Andrews has four red zone targets. Likely has three. Andrew has. They both have two end zone targets, but likely he's had a lot more production. He's also had two almost touchdowns fumbled at the goal line and had that one overturned. So that would be three touchdowns in the last two games for Likely if those had counted. So Jamie, why are you. So why are you convinced that Likely should be ahead of Andrews and be started?

[Jamie E]

Well, I think you can get away with potentially starting both of them depending on your tight end situation. I wouldn't do it in the same game, but.

I think what you've seen from Likely is he's, he's kind of back to his role of being more of a receiver and you look at this receiving core and what they're dealing with. You know, I think the DeAndre Hopkins experiment has clearly failed and Rashad Bateman's been in out of the lineup. I don't think he even played in the first Bengals game. I'm not mistaken.

It's. It's just more how he's been involved lately and so prior to the last two weeks he was barely involved at all.

[Dave R]

Likely. Yeah.

All right, so you and I do.

[Jamie E]

Think again I said this yesterday like or Tuesday. If he has the two touchdowns and we're looking at back to back 18 point games for him and now he's facing the Bengals again. Yeah, he might be top five.

[Dave R]

Yeah. But at the same time it is. He's basically got the same amount of targets, same amount of end zone targets, red zone as Andrews over the last two weeks just happens to have been much more productive.

[Jamie E]

Yeah. Again, I, I wouldn't shock me if, if his six targets go four for 50 and. And Andrews has his five plus targets or you know, five to six targets and he's three for 28 and two touchdowns.

[Dave R]

The Bengals have allowed the most yards after the catch per reception to tight and touchdowns to tight ends of any defense in the past six seasons according to Dave Richard.

[Jamie E]

Another.

[Dave R]

Another great Dave stat. Thank you, Dave. Lamar Jackson's fourth for Jamie, fourth for Dave, seventh for Heath. He had another touchdown last week that was DeAndre Hopkins wide open in the end zone and Mark Andrews thought the passes for him and just reached up and deflected it or that would have been another touchdown for Lamar. Start Derrick Henry. Zay Flowers, we've talked enough about. Although Heath, I think you're higher on him. I don't know if you've talked about it.

[Heath C]

I. I am higher on him just because like last time these two teams put. I think a lot of people would just like to forget the last time these two teams played for the Ravens sake at least because Lamar was awful and had six fantasy points. I just think if we believe this is going to be the game that Vegas says it is and fantasy managers are hoping it is, it will be a good Z Flowers game.

[Jamie E]

All right.

[Dave R]

Joe Burrow is basically a must. Actually Heath, you have him ninth. Is that because he doesn't have Higgins eighth?

[Heath C]

I. Yeah. I mean he's eighth now. Yeah, that seems about right for Joe Burrow. I think he was QB10 the last time these two teams played. He did. He was awesome last week.

[Dave R]

Any hesitation and Jamie has him third and Dave second for Burrow. Any hesitation going back to Chase Brown?

[Jamie E]

None.

[Heath C]

No.

[Jamie E]

No.

[Dave R]

Start him.

[Heath C]

He's an RBT. I mean he's a high end RB2 for me.

[Dave R]

Woody Marks or Chase Brown?

[Jamie E]

Brown. But they're close.

[Heath C]

I think I have Marks one spot.

[Dave R]

Higher.

And start Chase we mentioned. All right. Gasicky. Would you start Micah? It's obviously all of T. Higgins is out. Which is our Micah Sicki or Dallas Goddard?

[Jamie E]

I take a chance on go Sick here. Yeah, I mean.

Kaseki, one of the best games against Buffalo.

[Dave R]

Yes, the best game.

[Jamie E]

Right.

[Dave R]

My BS and would you start Kasiki or Hunter Henry if Higgins is out?

[Jamie E]

Okay.

[Dave R]

And sit the dsds. Okay. Next game. What we got for you here? What's our next game? Guys, it is Ragus at Philadelphia.

[Jamie E]

How do you.

[Dave R]

All right.

How do you feel about the Eagles offense?

[Jamie E]

Jamie, in this game.

About the Raiders offense?

[Dave R]

Eagles.

[Jamie E]

Oh, Eagles offense. I'm starting Hertz, I'm starting Barkley And I'm starting A.J. brown, I think you said this earlier. You know, Devonte Smith is really the tough call. I know Dallas Goddard was great last week, but Raiders are top five against opposing tight ends and I would try to get away from him.

[Dave R]

But to me, A.J. brown is obviously, there's no way we're taking him out. But Barkley, like Barkley had a long touchdown run out of the tush. Push formation. Yes. Last week. Right. I think he's gone two straight games without a catch. Jalen Hurts is obviously not playing that well. So are you starting them? Because they are who they are and we're starting them. Are you starting them? Because I'm fired up to start AJ Brown now. I don't know that I feel that way about Hertz and Barkley.

[Jamie E]

Well, again, I, you know, I would start Purdy and dart over Hertz. Okay. Not starting Mario or CJ Shout over Hertz. Of the two top wave wire quarterbacks we mentioned, I think this is a get right spot for them just because they're at home. The Raiders are clearly a mess and I know their defense has played well in a lot of spots, you know, so give them credit. But this is like a long road trip late in the season. They're going with a backup quarterback and Kenny Pickett, like, this could be an absolute atrocious game for the Raiders. So I just look at it as like this, this should be, again, no guarantees. Should be a get right spot for Jalen Hurts. Now to what extent that means, you know, he's not about putting up big numbers. That's not his mantra. But wouldn't shock me if Sirianni being the type of coach that he is, like.

Three touch push touchdowns for Jalen Hurts, you know, gives him some throws down the field. And, and we, and I know they're good at that, the Raiders, but, you know, we still see a few of those connect, especially with the problem that they had with A.J. brown last week. So I'm not gonna get cute and bench Jalen Hurts for anybody. That's not a guarantee to be on that level or better. And to me, Purdy and Dart are on that level or better potentially this week.

[Heath C]

I. We're not talking about San Francisco today, right?

[Dave R]

No.

[Heath C]

And I'm always the high guy on Purdy, I feel like. And I'm not this week. So, like, I'm starting Hurts over Purdy. And I will just say the only reason I have a little bit of concern about Purdy, they've been dominant lately in winning games.

[Jamie E]

Yeah.

[Heath C]

In games that for the season, They've got a 60.5 drop back rate which is kind of middle of the pack in games. They've won more than 10 by more than 10 points. It's 53 1/2 percent.

[Dave R]

It's a niners.

[Heath C]

Yes. It's back to the old San Francisco offense and we've seen mostly right, we've seen purdy hovering around 30 pass attempts the last three games and has not been over 200 yards in the last three games. I think he'll be really efficient but you're going to need what he had three four weeks ago where he had 200 yards passing and three touchdowns, I think.

[Dave R]

Okay. Last thing on this is the Chargers last week who kind of flummoxed Jalen Hurts. They are the second most zone heavy team in the NFL. The Raiders are third most. So it's I kind of it was like look, I'm starting my Eagles pretty much not Goddard but but I am curious to see.

Like a little trepidation because I just don't know like it's such a, it's not the layup on paper that it looks like. Although the West Coast, east coast thing.

Is also kind of an interesting point on this as well. All right, you know, Barclays top 12 Barkley or RJ Harvey?

[Jamie E]

Barkley. Barkley. Okay.

[Dave R]

Devonte Smith or RJ Harvey?

[Heath C]

Harvey Harvey.

[Dave R]

Devonte Smith or Quinch on Judkins.

[Jamie E]

Jenkins.

[Heath C]

I'll go Judkins.

[Dave R]

How about DeAndre Swift or Devonte Smith?

[Heath C]

I have. They're basically tied in full PPR, Swift and half and none. But I'll take Smith in full pbr.

[Dave R]

I did a lot of research on devonte Smith. I will share if you remind me. Jamie, we'll do it on the mailbag. Talk to you about kind of what's going on with him this season. Why why he has so few touchdowns. We'll save that for another show. Dallas Goddard is a sit. Brock Bowers is a start. Not starting a Raiders receiver, not starting the Raiders quarterback. And Ashton Genti again, I'm going to refer you to yesterday's show. We talked a lot about Genti but for Dave and Jamie genti is about 16th and for Heath in full PPR only he's ninth. But he said he's the running back that has the biggest difference in his rank.

[Heath C]

I think he's 22nd for me and non PPR.

[Dave R]

There you go. All right, start the Eagles DST next game, Miami at Pittsburgh Monday night. Miami's been really good against running backs lately so.

HM would be a must start but Jamie, if. If HN doesn't play, who would be the best running back in this game?

[Jamie E]

Jalen Wright.

[Dave R]

Yeah, Heath, do you want to start Jalen Warren or Kenneth Gainwell?

[Heath C]

They are Both right around 25 for me. I actually in full PPR have Gainwell higher. Non PPR and half PPR have Warren higher, but they're. And Gainwell's not near as good in non ppr.

[Dave R]

Gainwell has one of the highest target per out run rates of any running back. He is about the same target per hour run rate as Christian McCaffrey. Something like 27, 28%. It's wild. It just. He gets on the field, he gets targeted so frequently, but he really needs that really needs those catches.

[Heath C]

Six or more targets in three of his last four games.

[Dave R]

Now, Warren left one of those games, but still it's. It's overwhelming. But what did he. You have his game log. What did he score in the one game where he didn't get the targets?

[Heath C]

6.5.

[Jamie E]

Yeah.

[Dave R]

So you need it. Would you start DK Metcalf or Jalen Warren?

[Jamie E]

Guys, DK Jalen Warren.

[Dave R]

Okay. Jalen Waddle is a must start. Tua is a sit H hands a stud. But Jamie, where would you rank Jalen Wright if HM were out, do you think?

[Jamie E]

1415 range?

[Heath C]

I'd probably put him right behind Woody Marks.

[Dave R]

So behind Barkley still?

[Jamie E]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dave R]

Behind Genti for Heath, in front of Genti for Jamie.

[Jamie E]

My guess, probably behind Genti.

[Dave R]

Behind Genti. All right. This is Jalen Wright coming off a great game. The Steelers run defense, they're missing Derek Harmon in the middle, but they still, they're not bad.

[Jamie E]

What they do last month has been bad.

[Dave R]

The game against James Cook, they didn't have Harmon and they lost Patrick Queen last week. Last week was not because of Keaton Mitchell. They did a decent job against Derrick Henry. 25 carries for 94 yards, but Keaton Mitchell tore them up. Do you want to start a tight end in this game?

[Jamie E]

No, no. I do think Friarmouth is interesting if Darnell Washington's out just because of hopefully a bump in targets, but not to start.

[Dave R]

Let's see what else from this game you want to talk a little bit more about Jalen Warren, I think. Jalen Warren or Trayvon Henderson?

[Jamie E]

Henderson.

[Heath C]

Yep.

[Dave R]

I'm looking for chat questions here for this game. Which DST do you like better?

[Jamie E]

Steelers slightly.

Yeah.

[Dave R]

What an interesting game this is. I mean, the Dolphins are on fire right now. Their defense is playing great. Their DST is just killing it. Dolphins DST or Broncos? Packers. Dst.

[Jamie E]

Broncos. Packers.

[Heath C]

Yep.

[Jamie E]

All right.

[Dave R]

Would you start? That's from last game, but I'll read it anyway. Likely or Ferguson?

[Jamie E]

Likely.

Unless CD Lamb is out.

[Heath C]

Right, right.

[Dave R]

Okay, I'm looking for this game. Here we go. Kenneth Gainwell. David Montgomery or Kareem Hunt? PPR.

[Jamie E]

Gainwell.

[Heath C]

Gainwell.

[Dave R]

Wow. Okay. DK Metcalf or Terror McMillan?

[Jamie E]

McMillan.

[Heath C]

I think I have DK one spot higher.

[Dave R]

Darren Waller. Isaiah. Likely or Tyler Warren.

[Jamie E]

Tyler. Warren.

[Heath C]

Warren.

[Dave R]

Here's the issue with Waller for those of you asking. One, he's not really playing that much. Two, this is the second most run heavy team in football in terms of rate. The Dolphins since week seven. Something like that. I might be a little off on the numbers, but they are. We thought Justin Herbert wasn't throwing. I mean, Tua is. You're lucky if you get like 27 pass attempts from Tua these days. 21. 23. 2021 his last four games. You kidding me? 23 or fewer pass attempts. So unless the Steelers are going to put up a big number here, the Dolphins are going to try to run the ball as much as possible.

[Jamie E]

And just to go back to Jalen Wright, there would be an Ollie Gordon problem too because he would probably be their goal line guy.

[Heath C]

True.

[Dave R]

All right, last one. Pick two from this group. Kenneth Gainwell, Rico Dowdle, Ashton Genti, Travon Henderson. So this is where it's easy to sit. Gainwell, but Dowdle, Genti Henderson. Who would your two be?

[Jamie E]

Genti and Dowdle.

[Heath C]

Yep.

[Dave R]

Okay. I fear Genti so much if. Because I just feel like. Not that. Not that Geno Smith is so good, but that they could just. You know what? Kenny Pickett can't be much worse than what Geno Smith's been doing. All right, moving on. Last game today is the jets and the Jaguars. Jamie, only one.

[Jamie E]

That's your last.

[Dave R]

Only one Jet in question.

[Jamie E]

Only one Jet in question.

[Dave R]

I hate Bruce Love, Nick Folk.

We'll reassess this game if we get news that Taylor Fields is playing. Fields. Actually, like, remember last night, Tommy played Thursday night against the Patriots? He had a good game. Don't overlook that. But right now we're gonna assume he's out.

Breeze hall or Jalen Warren?

[Jamie E]

Bruce Hall, Paul.

[Dave R]

Breeze hall or Jags.

[Jamie E]

Run defense is so good, though.

[Dave R]

I know. I. I don't see a reason to start Breeze Hall. Like I said, he's been bad in. In tough matchups. Four out of five times or three out of four times. He's been bad in games where They've lost by seven or more points. Five of four out of five times. So everything's working against him here.

[Jamie E]

And Brady Cook throws the ball down.

[Dave R]

The field and it's a 13 and a half point spread. I mean, it. I don't see. I just hate.

[Jamie E]

What's their implied total, heath?

[Heath C]

The Jets, 14 and a half. Oh, I mean, better. Better than the Raiders.

[Dave R]

Yeah, I just.

[Heath C]

I'm gonna verify that right now because I haven't looked at it since last night, but it's got to be right around there.

[Dave R]

So.

[Heath C]

14.

[Jamie E]

Yeah.

[Dave R]

I don't know, man. I can't. I can't get jazzed about it.

[Jamie E]

Well, yeah, one playoff team. It's. I have a buy. So hopefully it's a better offensive scenario next week.

[Dave R]

Okay, so he's 20th for Jamie.

[Heath C]

Seven. I just moved him to 17.

[Dave R]

17Th for. For Jamie, for Dave and Heath. 19th for Dave and 17th for Heath. That's Breeze Hall. On the other side of the ball, Travis Etienne. We are starting, you know, go nuclear.

[Jamie E]

Yep. This is one of those guys like, you know, you say it's a bad week. I want as much Travis ETN as I possibly could have.

[Dave R]

What about Trevor Lawrence? Man, he is playing really well. I put a throw of his on Twitter last night. Rolling left on the run. Beautiful throw on the sideline to Tim patrick. He made three or four great downfield throws last week, and he scored 23 or more points in three straight games. Start or sit, Heath?

[Heath C]

I'm going to sit him. I believe this is the first time in his career he's had multiple touchdown passes in three straight games. Oh.

It'S just.

The. The volume is so low.

[Jamie E]

Yes, it is.

[Heath C]

And. And I think in this game it's probably even lower.

[Jamie E]

Yes, it is.

[Dave R]

I'm whispered low volume. I like to make low volume jokes. They really. They kill with the older crowd.

[Heath C]

Well, the older crowd can't hear them.

[Dave R]

I'm setting you up for that. Trevor Lawrence or C.J. stroud?

[Jamie E]

Lawrence.

[Heath C]

Shroud for me.

[Dave R]

Lawrence or Purdy? Lawrence or Mahomes?

Lawrence or Goff?

[Jamie E]

Golf.

[Heath C]

You haven't asked the right one yet, but golf.

[Dave R]

Who's the right one? Lawrence. Not.

[Heath C]

It's the guy we've talked about all week long. Yes. Brissette.

[Dave R]

I knew that Stroud and Brissette were back to back, so I figured it was like, you know, the transitive property or whatever. But Lawrence or Brissette, I would go Brissette.

[Jamie E]

Lawrence for me.

[Dave R]

Who's your favorite pass catcher for the Jaguars in terms of their position?

[Jamie E]

Jacoby Myers.

[Dave R]

If I knew his middle name, I would have jumped in there. Jacoby Myers or Zay Flowers?

[Jamie E]

Myers.

[Heath C]

Yeah, I've got Zay one spot higher.

[Dave R]

All right. Myers or Sutton Myers.

[Heath C]

Not sure Jacoby Myers has a middle name.

[Dave R]

Oh, but then I said it. How about that? Brian Thomas Jr or.

Brian Thomas Jr or Khalil Shakir.

Secure.

[Heath C]

I have confirmed Jacoby Myers does not have a middle name.

[Dave R]

About that. Yeah, and just the thing on Brian Thomas Jr. He's basically a vertical guy now. He ran 35% of routes last week were go routes. That's unbelievably high. He caught two of them. He is. Has super high eight out lately. And the jets, actually, for whatever it's worth, very few deep ball completions this year. I think the second fewest deep ball completions allowed. But exciting what we're seeing from the Jaguars offense recently. And BRENTON Strange is 13th for Jamie and Heath, so he's in play. But again, it is. Volume is just the concern here. Jaguars DST is pretty much a must start at this point. All right, here's some questions from the chat to end the show. Jacoby Myers, Jalen McMillan or Mike Evans?

[Jamie E]

Myers.

[Heath C]

Myers is the safe play. I. I kind of think we're gonna get Mike Evans. Good game tonight.

[Dave R]

But I say Jalen McMillan, because I meant. I said. I meant Teddy Rolla McMillan. I'd start McMillan over Myers. Would you guys.

[Heath C]

You're the. You're the Tea McMillan guy.

[Dave R]

I'm not really a Jacoby Myers guy. You know, he's caught a touchdown in three straight games. Has he ever caught a touchdown in four straight games?

[Jamie E]

I doubt it.

Before.

[Heath C]

Has Trevor ever thrown three multiple touchdowns in three straight games? It's things that. Things are different in Jackson.

[Jamie E]

I think the thing about McMillan, it's very. It's a very similar conversation. You know, I agree with Heath. We're going to see a lot of running from the Panthers based on how they beat the Rams. So why would they go away from that formula?

They're probably both looking at about six targets.

[Dave R]

Brian Thomas Jr. Or Devin Neal.

[Heath C]

Neil.

[Jamie E]

Neil. Assuming Camara's out.

[Dave R]

Let'S see if I have one more Jags or Niners defense.

[Jamie E]

Yes, I'd go Niners this week. No, I'm sorry, I go Jack this week.

[Heath C]

I have Jags one spot higher.

[Dave R]

Jacoby Myers or Christian Watson.

[Jamie E]

But if you have to make that decision, I'd rather roster the 49ers for the next two games.

[Dave R]

Well, the Jaguars have the Colts next week.

[Jamie E]

Don't they Jaguars have the Broncos next week.

[Heath C]

Fair enough.

[Dave R]

Myers or Watson?

[Jamie E]

Myers. Yep.

[Dave R]

Have a great day everybody. Enjoy the game tonight. Should be really interesting to see this how this receiving corps looks for Tampa Bay and we hope you have a lot of fantasy success. We'll talk to you tomorrow with the NFC home game. See ya.

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[Heath C]

Approaching, count on an NFL on CBS doubleheader. The early window features the Bills out for revenge against Drake May and the division leading Patriots.

[Dave R]

Later interconference squad square off when the.

[Heath C]

Packers head to Mile High to face the Broncos. It all begins at noon Eastern with the NFL today.

[Dave R]

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[Heath C]

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[Jamie E]

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