Start or Sit (AFC): Zay Flowers, Deebo Samuel, Najee Harris and More! (11/28 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Fantasy Football Today Episode: "Start or Sit (AFC): Zay Flowers, Deebo Samuel, Najee Harris and More!" Release Date: November 28, 2024

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Introduction

In this episode of Fantasy Football Today, host Adam Aizer teams up with analysts Dave Richard, Jamie Eisenberg, and Heath Cummings to navigate the complexities of Week 13's AFC matchups. The crew provides in-depth analyses on which players to start or sit, offering strategies to help listeners dominate their fantasy leagues.

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Main Segments

1. Start or Sit Decisions

AFC Matchups Overview: The panel discusses seven key AFC home games, emphasizing the importance of matchups in making informed start or sit decisions. The games covered include:

• Houston Texans at Jacksonville Jaguars
• Indianapolis Colts at New England Patriots
• Cleveland Browns at Denver Broncos
• Los Angeles Chargers at Atlanta Falcons
• Philadelphia Eagles at Baltimore Ravens
• San Francisco 49ers at Buffalo Bills
• Pittsburgh Steelers at Cincinnati Bengals

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Houston Texans at Jacksonville Jaguars

• Start: CJ Stroud (Jacksonville Jaguars)

  • Dave (03:04): Highlights Stroud's potential against a Jacksonville defense that allows the most fantasy points to opposing quarterbacks.
  • Jamie (18:38): Agrees with starting Stroud over other quarterbacks like Bucky Irving due to favorable matchups.

• Sit: Deebo Samuel (Chargers)

  • Jamie (07:30): Advises against starting Deebo Samuel due to uncertainties around his quarterback and potential limited playtime.

• Notable Quote:

  • Dave (03:49): "Jacksonville's number one and most fantasy points allowed to quarterbacks, an opportunity potentially for a shootout here if Trevor Lawrence does play."

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Indianapolis Colts at New England Patriots

• Start: Michael Pittman Jr. (Colts)

  • Dave (19:17): Considers Pittman a strong WR3 option against a Patriots defense that has struggled against wide receivers.

• Start: Anthony Richardson (Patriots)

  • Jamie & Heath (33:52): Recommend starting the high-upside QB Richardson against a weak Patriots defense that gives up big plays.

• Sit: Jonathan Taylor (Colts)

  • Dave (34:18): Suggests sitting Taylor due to inconsistent performances and reliance on the run game against a tough Patriots defense.

• Notable Quote:

  • Jamie (33:52): "Anthony Richardson has a 29 to 30 point upside every time he steps on the field against a terrible defense."

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Cleveland Browns at Denver Broncos

• Start: Elijah Moore (Cleveland Browns)

  • Jamie (20:30): Favors Moore as a reliable WR option given Cleveland's dynamic passing game.

• Sit: Jerry Jeudy (Cleveland Browns)

  • Dave (42:29): Recommends sitting Jeudy due to Denver's strong pass defense and inconsistent target distribution.

• Notable Quote:

  • Jamie (45:53): "If there's no Tillman, I'd start Elijah Moore. If Tillman plays, he might be the riskiest WR3."

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Los Angeles Chargers at Atlanta Falcons

• Start: Justin Herbert (Chargers)

  • Dave (50:55): Advocates for Herbert given Atlanta's history of allowing high fantasy points to quarterbacks.

• Start: Lad McConkey (Chargers)

  • Dave (51:14): Endorses McConkey for his big-play ability, noting his four receptions of 16+ yards in the last four games.

• Sit: Quentin Johnston (Chargers)

  • Dave (53:05): Suggests caution in starting Johnston due to inconsistent targets and recent drop issues.

• Notable Quote:

  • Dave (50:55): "Justin Herbert is facing a defense that allowed 21+ fantasy points to five straight QBs. He’s a top QB start."

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Philadelphia Eagles at Baltimore Ravens

• Start: Barkley Henry (Eagles)

  • Heath & Dave (37:12): Recommend Henry against Baltimore's stout run defense, emphasizing his scoring potential.

• Sit: Mark Andrews (Ravens)

  • Dave (60:23): Advises against starting Andrews due to Baltimore's effective defense against tight ends and his touchdown dependency.

• Notable Quote:

  • Jamie (58:53): "The Eagles defense has been great, but against Lamar Jackson, you can't rely on stopping the run alone."

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San Francisco 49ers at Buffalo Bills

• Start: James Cook (Bills)

  • Jamie (63:03): Chooses Cook over Christian McCaffrey, citing McCaffrey’s inconsistent performances and lack of offensive support.

• Sit: Christian McCaffrey (49ers)

  • Dave (62:45): Recommends sitting McCaffrey due to Buffalo’s robust defense and his dependence on offensive linemen play.

• Notable Quote:

  • Jamie (63:03): "Buffalo’s defense is robust and McCaffrey isn't getting the support he needs. Cook is a better choice this week."

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Pittsburgh Steelers at Cincinnati Bengals

• Start: George Pickens (Steelers)

  • Dave (70:44): Endorses Pickens as a must-start given his target volume and the Bengals' defensive weaknesses.

• Sit: Naji Harris & Jalen Warren (Steelers)

  • Heath (68:58): Advises against starting both due to the Bengals' top-tier defense against running backs.

• Notable Quote:

  • Dave (23:37): "The Bengals' defense are number eight in fewest fantasy points allowed to RBs, complicating starts for Steelers' backs."

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2. Players to Avoid

• Brian Robinson Jr. (Jaguars):

  • Dave (06:30): Recommends sitting Robinson due to Jacksonville's strong run defense and potential limited involvement.

• Deebo Samuel (Chargers):

  • Jamie (07:30): Advises against starting Samuel amidst QB uncertainties and possible reduced playtime.

• Debo Samuel (Buffalo):

  • Jamie (07:30): Suggests avoiding Samuel due to uncertainties surrounding his quarterback’s availability and overall player ranking.

• Notable Quote:

  • Heath (07:31): "I'm avoiding Deebo Samuel because of uncertainties and potential limited playtime."

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3. Players to Love

• Baker Mayfield (Jaguars):

  • Dave (03:04): Highlights Mayfield’s high upside and favorable matchup against a Jaguars defense struggling against quarterbacks.

• Taysom Hill (Rams):

  • Jamie (04:02): Praises Hill’s usage and consistent fantasy production, especially with his versatile role in the offense.

• Notable Quote:

  • Dave (03:04): "Baker, the touchdown maker, has top five upside against the Panthers' terrible defense."

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News and Notes

• Injuries:

  • Braylon Allen (Jacksonville): Questionable status impacts running back decisions.
  • Trevor Lawrence (Chargers): Limited practice with potential season-ending injury concerns.
  • Justin Fields (Steelers): Monitoring safety and performance against Bengals.

• Roster Changes:

  • Daniel Jones (Vikings): Discussion on his role and potential growth under new coaching.

• Weather Impact:

  • Philadelphia at Baltimore: Weather conditions could affect player performances, particularly for aerial routes.

• Notable Quote:

  • Heath (29:03): "I dropped Travis Etienne in two leagues today to pick up Braylon Allen because of his questionable status."

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Audience Interaction

The podcast features listener questions from emails and tweets, addressing specific player comparisons and lineup dilemmas.

• Example Questions:

  • "Taysom Hill or Hunter Henry?"
  • "Bucky Irving or Jonathan Taylor?"
  • "Jerry Jeudy, Darnell Mooney, or Juwan Jennings if Brock Purdy is out?"

• Notable Advice:

  • Dave (39:00): Suggests starting Bucky Irving over Jonathan Taylor due to better schedule and involvement in the passing game.
  • Jamie (39:16): Emphasizes the importance of not benching top-tier receivers like Jerry Jeudy in favorable matchups.

• Notable Quote:

  • Heath (39:00): "I think you should start both of them if you can, but obviously you can't."

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Conclusions and Takeaways

The episode underscores the critical nature of matchup analysis in Week 13. Key strategies include:

• Favoring Players with High Upside: Especially quarterbacks like CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson facing weak defenses.
• Avoiding High-Risk Players: Such as Deebo Samuel and Brian Robinson Jr. due to unfavorable matchups and uncertainties.
• Leveraging Strong WR Options: Like Baker Mayfield and Elijah Moore to maximize point potential against top defenses.
• Monitoring Injuries and Weather: Which can significantly impact player performances and game outcomes.

Final Notable Quote:

• Adam (72:25): "This is the only podcast you'll need to win your league!"

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Dave (03:49): "Jacksonville’s number one and most fantasy points allowed to quarterbacks, an opportunity potentially for a shootout here if Trevor Lawrence does play."

• Jamie (33:52): "Anthony Richardson has a 29 to 30 point upside every time he steps on the field against a terrible defense."

• Heath (37:12): "If there's no Tillman, I'd start Elijah Moore. If Tillman plays, he might be the riskiest WR3."

• Jamie (58:53): "The Eagles defense has been great, but against Lamar Jackson, you can’t rely on stopping the run alone."

• Dave (63:03): "Buffalo’s defense is robust and McCaffrey isn't getting the support he needs. Cook is a better choice this week."

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Closing Remarks

As Thanksgiving approaches, the hosts wish listeners a happy holiday and encourage tuning in for upcoming episodes that will continue to provide valuable fantasy football insights. They remind fans to engage through social media and participate in live Q&A sessions to further refine their fantasy strategies.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Jamie]

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[Dave]

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[Heath]

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[Dave]

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[Jamie]

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[Heath]

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[Jamie]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Heath]

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody, and welcome to Fantasy Football Today presented by BetMGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas, it is Wednesday night, but for most of you, it is Thursday. It is for many of you, your favorite day of the year. Thanksgiving is freaking awesome. Heath and Jamie, white meat. White meat or dark meat?

[Dave]

Yes.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Heath]

Now you have to choose one. Sorry, we have a limited. We only have two pieces of turkey. One of you.

[Jamie]

I'm going to have them both.

[Heath]

No, Jamie's behind you in line. You can't take them both.

[Jamie]

Sure you can.

[Heath]

Okay. I made the white meat and you.

[Jamie]

Don'T get any turkey.

[Heath]

Random person made the dark meat.

[Jamie]

No, you don't get any Turkey. You're gonna eat the ham?

[Heath]

I. Oh, yeah. That's why I'm giving you guys the turkey. Anyway, welcome to the show. We have seven games to talk about today. Most of them are AFC home games. Leave the jets game for the guys on Friday because we'll see. Hopefully get a breeze hall update. But he did not practice today. We got Houston at Jacksonville, Indianapolis at New England, Cleveland at Denver, Los Angeles Chargers at the Falcons, Philadelphia at Baltimore, San Francisco at Buffalo, and Pittsburgh at Cincinnati. Before we get to that. All right, Jamie, let's go. Who is our start of the week? Who's a player we love?

[Dave]

Baker. Baker, the touchdown maker. Great matchup against the Panthers. He's coming off a very unlucky game last week as we saw against the Giants. I think he could have easily continued his stretch of 20 plus point games, but he fell a little short. Did have a rushing touchdown, but I think we'll get into the end zone multiple ways against the Panthers, who couldn't stop the struggling, the frustrating, the disappointing Patrick Mahomes, who was awesome against them as well. But quarterbacks have just been terrible. Excuse me. The Panthers have been terrible against opposing quarterbacks all season, and Baker's got top five upside. So the first thing I did was I made sure that he was a high priority and highly ranked in Heath's rankings because that's a good formula for success, and he was. And so I happily joined in and made Baker the start of the week.

[Jamie]

I. I would have lost a lot of money on the start of the week. This week, I really like. I. I had a high degree of certainty that I thought I knew who it was. It was Baker's teammate, Bucky Irving. I 100 agree with Baker Mayfield.

[Dave]

It was. It was going to be Bucky Irving. But I just keep running into the same dilemma of there are not a lot of running backs that fall into the start percentage that I can use, you know, so he's one of them. And if I don't use him in the main part of the column, I don't have enough running backs to write about.

[Heath]

Okay. All right, Heath, who's your start of the week? All right. Sorry. It's a player you love.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I don't have a start of the week. I would just want to remind people, because he was on a buy last week and, like, we need to start Taysom Hill, his head coach, at the press conference, talking about how, yeah, you know, the way we've used Taysom Hill lately is kind of the way we want to use Taysom Hill. He had a 34% target share in their last game and a 24 rush share. And it's not just the 40 point game. He scored 23 points in the two games before that. He was averaging 11 fantasy points in his last two before the 40 point game. And I really kind of think like just from a other interesting things angle, this is a tough spot for the Rams on the road. After playing a really, really physical Philadelphia team. Going to New Orleans all the way over on the east coast and sorry, in the Gulf coast, it's not even.

[Heath]

Here.

[Jamie]

And playing a Saints team that's coming off of a buy. I think the Saints might have some success really running the football against the Rams and with taste and spearheading it.

[Heath]

More likely to score a touchdown against the Rams. Alvin Camara or Taysom Hill.

[Jamie]

Yes. Just like the white meat dark.

[Heath]

White meat dark. Okay. Awesome. Yes to both. All right, so we'll get some players to avoid in a moment, but I just once again want to remind everybody to a have a Happy Thanksgiving and B to check us out on Sunday morning. 10am Eastern CBS Sports HQ 11:30am Eastern right here. YouTube.com fantasy football today live Q and A. If you never joined it before, it's a lot of fun. We answer a ton of questions. 11:30am Eastern YouTube.com fantasy football today all right, player to avoid. Jamie, who are we sitting? Pick a position running back.

[Dave]

Running back to avoid this week would be DeAndre swe. No, we can't do Thursday. Again. Running back to avoid this week would be. Let me get to my list here of guys I don't like. Let's go with Brian Robinson Jr. Who's going to play.

[Heath]

Okay. Okay.

[Dave]

I like to set up for him against Titans. They've been very good against opposing running backs. I do hope that he's going to be involved in the passing game. We did see that in week four when Austin Eckler was not there. But you have a running back that's dealing with some sort of ankle injury. I like the fact that he practiced on Wednesday. However, they have their buy next week. I wonder if they'll be a little bit cautious with him. They did add Chris Rodriguez. They have Jeremy McNichols. They may not have to give him the usual allotment of touches that he gets. They need to win the game clearly, but it's also a very tough matchup as Tennessee has shown us. J.K. dobbins, Aaron Jones, Joe Mixon three of the best running backs in fantasy this year. In the last Three games. They've been held to nine and a half PPR points or less against this defense. So you have a banged up running back. Tough matchup. I would try to sit Brian Robinson even though he's healthy.

[Heath]

Okay, Heath, how about you? Who are you avoiding?

[Jamie]

Well, first off, I'd like to avoid iguanas. Just update on the iguana story we got. Two of them were humanely disposed of. Thought we had resolved the issue. And then today there's another iguana. So a third iguana.

[Heath]

Oh my gosh.

[Jamie]

It's really a bad situation. I'm not happy about it, lots of stress, but I'm avoiding Debo Samuel. And it's kind of a theme that I just want to like. It's this week and I don't know about you guys, but I've got some really important matchups this week with playoff spots on the line and these situations where we don't necessarily know if somebody's going to play on Sunday or in Devo's situation, we don't necessarily know if his quarterback's going to play on Sunday. And you've got to make decisions on Thursday and on Friday. And Debo's is even worse because it's a Sunday night game. I wouldn't view with like all nobody on a buy. I wouldn't view Debo as a must start even if Purdy was playing, but with the risk that maybe he's not. That team's total opened at 19.75 and it's gone down to 19. So I'm kind of thinking Purdy's not. I would like to get away from Debo Samuel. Not a top 40 wide receiver for me.

[Heath]

Yeah, Brock Purdy was listed as limited in practice on Wednesday. He apparently threw one pass. So I'm not feeling great about. Yeah. As we, as we sit here right now, I'm not feeling great about that. Do you feel the same way about Juwan Jennings and the other thing that we talked about on Wednesday morning is the weather in this game could be, you know, kind of like the Thursday night Steelers Browns game. Do you. How do you feel about Juwan Jennings, who had five catches for 40 yards on seven targets last week, about five.

[Jamie]

Spots ahead of Devo. So he is a top 40 wide receiver but not a top 30 guy and barely. I don't even think He's a top 36 guy.

[Heath]

All right. Players we love Jamie Said Baker Mayfield against Carolina. Heath Said T. Hill against the Rams. Players to avoid Brian Robinson against Tennessee for Jamie and Debo Samuel at Buffalo on Sunday night for Heath would like to take this time to sincerely say thank you to everyone in our audience. Everyone that's part of our show here at cbs. Whatever. Thank you so much. This is an amazing experience for us. It's been great and I think this is our, this is my 16th year, I think and I believe the 17th year of the podcast. So amazing what we've built and everybody out there listening, watching. Thank you so much for being part of the fantasy football today family and especially if any of you or who those of you who donate in our draft a thon big thank you for that. Fft open wrapping up. This is the last week of the regular season there but you guys are great. You're all great and love the interactions with, with the people. It's the best part of the job. So hope you all have an amazing Thanksgiving and and a great week 13 as well. Okay, news and notes. Aiden OConnell will start for. Ah, my microphone fell. Aiden Okada will start for Las Vegas at Kansas City on Friday. Daniel Jones. Oh, can we get Schaefer on here? How you feeling? How's the, how's it feel to have Daniel Jones on your favorite team? Do you need any pointers? You do it. Okay.

[Thomas]

He's getting paid like what, a hundred.

[Jamie]

Grand to be on the practice squad, so best third stringer in the league, right? Yeah, he's getting paid like $30 million to not be on the Giants. How, how mad do you think Dan was in our group chat when I said it will be nice to see if a good offensive coach can get something out of him? Oh, he was mad.

[Thomas]

He was very almost individually texted Heath. Like I started texting you.

[Jamie]

I'm like, I'm just going to leave this one alone.

[Heath]

Yeah. So Daniel Jones is on the Vikings and we hope it'll just be Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones can, can benefit from being under Kevin.

[Dave]

What's it like to be. And I know this doesn't apply to you because you're strictly a Giants fan, but like a casual, just New York sports fan. Casual New York sports football fan. And you're seeing Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones on the Vikings after Both were top 10 overall picks on their respective teams. Sam Darnold's playing fantastic right now, much better than they ever did with the jets. And Daniel Jones, who knows if this works out, Sam Darnold walks, gets a big contract someplace else and the Vikings decide, you know what, we're gonna go with Daniel Jones and J.J. mcCarthy next year. And Daniel Jones comes out of this looking like a superstar, potential or. Or quality NFL quarterback.

[Heath]

Yeah. Yeah, I know. Well, I. I hope he does. I hope he does. Well, that's all.

[Jamie]

They're probably just enjoying watching the Knicks play the Mavericks tonight.

[Heath]

No one's enjoying that. Trevor Lawrence was limited in practice. Trevor Lawrence has not ruled out having surgery on his shoulder in season which would obviously end his season, but he's limited as of now. You guys are ranking Trevor Lawrence.

[Dave]

We did. Yeah.

[Heath]

Okay.

[Jamie]

I put him in the projections. He didn't crack the top 24.

[Heath]

Fair enough. COOPER Rush is gonna play Brock Purdy I just mentioned. But Tommy DeVito is unlikely to play. So it's gonna be Drew Locke most likely at Dallas on Thursday. And I. That doesn't change anything for neighbors or Tracy does.

[Dave]

It could help them.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I'll be. I'll be cheering really hard for Drew Lock to have like the best passing day for the Giants this season.

[Heath]

Yeah, well, I don't know about that because you said the Cowboys are your number one DST. So.

[Jamie]

They are.

[Dave]

But probably over under 10 targets from a league.

[Heath]

Neighbors over under.

[Dave]

I mean, nine and a half right around there.

[Heath]

Yeah. Sounded like you said nine and a half. Breeze hall question. Yeah, no over. Breeze hall questionable with an injury. This is the big one. Pick up Braylon Allen because Breeze hall really sounds like he's truly questionable. May not play in this game and who knows that's coming out of a buy. So who knows how long this will linger. Get Braylen Allen on your team. David Montgomery was limited. They're optimistic about him playing. It looks like Alexander Madison being limited is a good sign. But apparently sincere McCormick. Antonio Pierce mentioned sincere McCormick. We're going to talk about this. Oh, no, we already did talk about this game. Sorry. That's a Friday game. Does anybody have any interest in starting sincere McCormick for the Raiders?

[Dave]

I'm gonna guess just because it's Thanksgiving he's being sincere.

[Heath]

Okay.

[Jamie]

If I have to start a Raiders running back.

[Heath]

Fair. And Brian Robinson Jr. Was limited. Jamie talked about that one. And Isaiah Pacheco is going to play. And they said they're going to determine the workload within the game during the game. See how that's going. Wide receiver news. Aman Ross, St. Brown. They're optimistic about him playing Thursday. But not Romeo Dobbs. He'll be out. Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf missed practice. They're at the jets on Sunday. Keon Coleman was limited. Devonte Smith missed practice again. He starts the week with a dnp. They're at Baltimore. Calvin Ridley missed practice.

[Adam]

Probably a rest day for him.

[Heath]

Brandon Cooks is going to play on Thursday. Jalen Coker missed practice. He did not play last week. Cedric Tillman is in the concussion protocol, but he's getting better, according to Kevin O'Connell. I'm sorry, according according to the Browns head coach. Who is Kevin?

[Jamie]

Kevin.

[Heath]

Yeah, Kevin. Kevin McAllister.

[Jamie]

It's time for Home Alone, isn't it?

[Heath]

Yeah, it is. It is a true Christmas movie anyway. Cedric Tillman, we'll see. They play on Monday and DeMarcus Robinson is going to play this week for the Rams and then maybe a suspension at some point later this season or next season. Dalton Kincaid missed practice. Tyler Higby is going to practice but not play this week. Unlikely he's going to play. Will Disley miss practice? Just a Wednesday practice, probably going to be okay. Noah Fant practiced in full. Jatavian Sanders, I believe is not going to play this week. And Jake Ferguson also not going to play. And those are the major injuries on defense. Packers are banged up obviously the 49ers are banged up, but Nick Bosa expressed some optimism about playing. Jamie mentioned Matthew Wright, a kicker for the Chiefs with a great matchup. I don't know if he's any good. Roquan Smith was limited in practice, so that's great news for Baltimore if he can get back out there. Eagles are banged up. Denver starting cornerback Riley Moss missed practice. He has an MCL injury, so he left last week's game early and that could really help Cleveland. Matt Milano, Buffalo linebacker He practiced in full. Wonder if he makes it back out there today or this week. And then two big injuries for the Chargers. Denzel Perryman, who missed last week's game, he missed practice and so did Khalil Mack. That's and both of the starting cornerbacks for the Raiders are out or two of them. Nate Hobbs and Jacori and Bennett are out this week. If you have not signed up yet for BetMGM, use the bonus code Fantasy. Sign up now and get up to a fifteen hundred dollar first bet offer on your first wager with Bet mgm. Download the Bet MGM app. Sign up using the bonus code Fantasy. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game and you will receive up to $1,500 in bonus bets if your bet loses. Just make sure that you use the bonus code Fantasy when you sign up. We will take up My microphone's falling again. We will take a break on fantasy football today and come back with one question for each game after this.

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[Heath]

One question for each game. Houston at Jacksonville big game for CJ.

[Dave]

Stroud Jamie potentially, you know I had almost a 20 point game last week and turnovers were a problem. But I think anytime Nico Collins on the field in A plus matchup, you're going to feel comfortable about TJ Stroud. To what degree remains to be seen because it's been a disappointing season for him. But I do think given the fact that Jacksonville's number one and most fantasy points allowed to quarterbacks, an opportunity potentially for a shootout here if Trevor Lawrence does play. Given how bad Houston's defense has performed and the injuries in the secondary, I kind of like the spot for CJ Stroud. So I would start him over both guys in the Thursday night game of Tua Tonga by Lower. And Jordan Love.

[Jamie]

I would start him over two. I don't have him over Love.

[Heath]

Okay. Would you start him over Jared Goff, CJ Strat or Jared Goff?

[Dave]

I have golf higher. Okay.

[Jamie]

But I would also start him over both the quarterbacks in the Thursday late afternoon.

[Dave]

There is a, there is potential for a breakout game. This, this is the slump buster for C.J. stroud. Like he's, he's ready to, you know, remind us who he is.

[Heath]

Yeah, hope so. Okay, I have a good stat about Tank Dell when we get to that game in a little bit. Indianapolis is at New England. Start or sit. Michael Pitt. Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. Michael Pittman.

[Dave]

I think he's a good number three receiver for this week. You know, we'll see what Christian Gonzalez does. But the Patriots have been really bad against just everything in the last two games. And Jalen Waddle had a big game. We saw both Rams receivers have big games two weeks prior. There's a, there's a lot to like about the situation here for him because 15 targets in his last two games. No Josh Downs. Anthony Richardson's looking for him. So, you know, just given the, the setup, I don't think you want to go all in and say must start receiver in two receiver leagues, but in three receiver leagues, I think he's back and you should be back in your good graces. Given the setup.

[Jamie]

I'd start him over both the 49ers, over waddle, over Christian Watson, over both the Chiefs.

[Heath]

Okay. Cleveland at Denver. I find this game to be super intriguing. How do you approach the Cleveland wide receivers? Heath.

[Jamie]

Do we think that Jerry Judy's going to get the shadow? Like if Cedric Tillman shows up, does that help Jerry Judy not get the shadow? I. I'm. Right now I've got Judy as a borderline number two. I've got Elijah Moore as kind of a mid wide receiver. Three, I would start Elijah Moore over all the guys. I just said that I would start Michael Pittman over and that you would, obviously.

[Heath]

Okay. And where's Judy?

[Jamie]

Those guys.

[Dave]

Yes.

[Heath]

And so right now we're not projecting Cedric Tillman. We're not ranking him. Here's something weird. So when Tillman went out in week 12, Jerry Judy played about more, I want to say more than 60% of his snaps in the slot. And Elijah Moore played more outside. It was, it was strange. I don't really understand why, but that did happen. All right, Chargers are at Atlanta. Jamie, do you like a tight end in this game? Will Disley Kyle Pitts, you like a tight end in this game.

[Dave]

I currently have Pits ranked ahead of Disley. By the time we get to tomorrow, I'll probably move Disley ahead of Pitts. It's a bad matchup. Chargers just allowed their first touchdown to a tight end last week, which was Mark Andrews. Pitts has scored less than three PPR points in two of his last three games. He's only scored. He only has a game with a touchdown. He had two of them since week one. So given the setup for both of these guys, I think it's safer to say that Disley can get to that eight point mark more so than Pitts can. So I'll give Disley the slight nod over pits.

[Heath]

All right, Philadelphia is at Baltimore. Starter sit.

[Dave]

Zay Flowers start low end starter. But he's got to pick it up. I mean, it feels like the Broncos game, which obviously is one of the tougher matchups, was the last time we saw him really play like the player I think he's capable of. And that's, I think, a credit more to Lamar Jackson than really a discredit to Zay Flowers, because he's spreading the ball around and we're seeing other guys step up, like Rashad Bateman last week. And the run game's obviously been so successful for Baltimore. But, you know, Flowers is just not, I think, ascended to the heights that we've hoped for him to get to. He's just not getting enough targets and not scoring enough touchdowns. But he's got that in his bags, though. And I don't think the matchup is one that you completely run away from.

[Heath]

Would you start Zay Flowers? Or how about James Connor at Minnesota?

[Dave]

Flowers and ppr?

[Jamie]

Yeah, I don't love that matchup for Connor.

[Heath]

Okay, Zay Flowers or Bucky Irving? Bucky Rashad White. Okay. San Francisco's at Buffalo. Is there a top 24 wide receiver in this game?

[Jamie]

No, I think I have Coolio Shakir just inside Coleman's back and he did get a partial practice in. So if Keon Coleman's back, then no.

[Heath]

Yeah, I, I even like a little hesitant to make too much of this stat, but the 49ers are really bad against the slot. 26 in yards allowed to wide receivers out of the slot. Third most yards per catch to wide receivers out of the slot. This status sort of led me astray. But now we're 12 weeks into the season and they, they struggle against and D'Amador Lenore is, is injured too, but obviously Shakira being the Slot guy. That could be, you know, that could be a good matchup for him. Pittsburgh is at Cincinnati. Are you starting a Steelers running back? Anybody want to start a Steelers running back and if so, which one?

[Dave]

I would prefer not to. I mean, the Bengals are number eight and fewest fantasy points allowed to the position. And they are actually one in fewest yards, fewest receiving yards allowed to running backs. They are number four and fewest receptions allowed to running backs. And they are one of four teams yet to allow a touchdown catch to a running back. So that kind of negates the upside or the potential of Jalen Warren and whatever Naji can do in the passing game. And then you saw last week, and who knows if it was because there was a little bit of an injury to Naji Harris that first time this season that Warren played more snaps than Harris. So it feels like we're just back where we were a year ago where it's just tough to trust either one of them. I still give the slight nod to Naji, but it's. They're almost essentially back to back.

[Heath]

Okay, who did we just talk about that? We didn't. Oh, how about Brian Robinson? Jamie? Brian Robinson, Tennessee or home against Tennessee or Steelers running back at Cincinnati.

[Dave]

Yeah, Brian Robinson. I think again, just the potential workload for him. As long as he gets in some, some semblance of a full practice where you can feel comfortable as health, then I think he's a little bit safer than the Pittsburgh guys.

[Heath]

All right, here we go. Let's break it down. Houston's at Jacksonville. Stat of the game number one, very simple. Jamie mentioned the first part of this. The Jaguars allow the most fantasy points to opposing quarterbacks, the second most fantasy points to opposing running backs, and the third most fantasy points opposing wide receivers. They stink. But stat of the game number two. So like obviously mix in and Nico feel good about. What about Tank Dell? Well, here's one thing I noticed about Tank Dell. He only has two touchdowns this season on 68 targets.

[Adam]

But with Nico Collins on the field.

[Heath]

Tankdale has one red zone and zero end zone targets. With him off the field, he has seven red zone and six end zone targets. So that, that is tough to catch a touchdown with Nico Collins getting all those targets, I guess. But we talked about C.J. stroud. He's a borderline start. Obviously mix in. And Collins. What about Tank Dell? How do you feel about Tank Dell this week?

[Jamie]

Heath, mid to low end wide receiver three. And there's a lot of those this week. I mean, that might extend all the way from wide receiver 30 to wide receiver 45. I would start him over the 49ers, I would start him over Waddle and Watson and the Chiefs. So I think wide receiver 35 somewhere in there.

[Heath]

Okay. And we're going to sit Dalton Schultz. So Jamie, how much do things change for the Jaguars if Trevor Lawrence plays.

[Dave]

As opposed to Mac Jones if Trevor Lawrence plays. Brian Thomas Jr. Is basically a borderline must start receiver, certainly a top 24 caliber receiver. And Evan Ingram is a must start tight end. Now you're probably starting Brian Thomas in three receiver leagues anyway and you're probably starting Evan Ingram in most scenarios anyway. But they just become that much more safe, secure, upside. You know, we've seen this Texans defense against opposing receivers really struggle in their secondary is banged up. We've seen them recently struggle against tight ends, you know, which has kind of been their strength for the majority of the season. They are still top five in terms of us fantasy points a lot to the position, but they struggle of late. So I just feel more confident about everybody catching the ball there. And for those two guys in particular, you know, this would be the first game for them without the other two guys being there in terms of Christian Kirk and Gabe Davis. So we may see more targets, which has kind of been the problem for Brian Thomas. You know, he just hasn't been, you know, uber targeted like we like to see to get a few more opportunities against Detroit. That was with Mac Jones. So I love the upside for both of them if Trevor plays, you know, it says it's his non throwing shoulder. So it's not like you have to worry about his, you know, arm per se being 100. So if he's out there, I'm all in on Brian Thomas. I'm all in on Evan Ingram. If he's not out there, there may be starts.

[Heath]

Okay. Brian Thomas, if Trevor Lawrence plays is obviously going to be ahead of Tank Dell. You can correct me if I'm wrong. If Mac Jones is under center Brian Thomas or Tank Dell, still Brian Thomas.

[Dave]

I mean again, you buy into what he did with Detroit, you know, so garbage time. I think it's, it's still an opportunity for him to get I would say seven to 10 targets. And I think just getting seven to 10 targets against this defense, you know, I mean we saw it, we saw it against Dallas, you know that the, the production was there for the Cowboys guys, you know, whether it was Schoon Maker or, or CD Lamb, you know, catching, getting opportunities in that game. I think that would be the case as well in this matchup. Also.

[Heath]

Evan Ingram, assuming it's Trevor Lawrence, would you start Evan Ingram or Kate Otten Ingram?

[Jamie]

For me.

[Dave]

For me.

[Jamie]

And that's one of the guys like Otton, Hunter Henry and I think Goddard were the guys that he was behind with Mac Jones and ahead of with Trevor Lawrence.

[Heath]

That's in full ppr. Goddard or. Sorry. Ingram or Taysom Hill? Full ppr.

[Dave]

Taste him.

[Heath]

Okay. All right. I think we're pretty much done with this game. The Texans DST is ranked Jacksonville running backs. Wow. I am sorry and thank you for mentioning that. I actually dropped Travis ETN in two leagues today to pick up Braylon Allen. Like, I have no faith in a Jacksonville running back because. Because what's. Tank Bigsby is going to play. He's practicing in full and Travis ETN hasn't had more than 13 carries all year. And I don't even. He's probably going to get out carried. So do you guys have any faith in a Jacksonville running back?

[Dave]

No. I still would prefer ETN over Bigsby just because of his hopeful role in the passing game. But this is. This is a bad matchup. I know Tony Pollard dispelled all of that last week, but I still think you just look at what the body of work has been for this Jacksonville backfield when there's been one guy who's been a little bit easier to trust in terms of Bigsby, mostly. But he's got a score. Touchdown. He's not going to be involved in the passing game. ETN's probably not going to do much on the ground. It's just. It's just a. I think a position group to avoid.

[Jamie]

I like if you've been starting Javonte Williams and you've got Tank Bigsby, I'd probably put Tank Bixby in. I'd start Tank Bigsby over Isaiah Pacheco.

[Heath]

Okay. Over Amir Abdullah.

[Jamie]

If anybody. Yes. No. Just. Yes.

[Heath]

Okay. And is there anyone else? Did I forget anyone else? I think.

[Jamie]

I think you're good now.

[Heath]

All right, let's go to Indianapolis at New England. Stat of the game, number one. All right. So I did want to talk a little bit more about Michael Pittman. Jamie said he's in the wide receiver three discussion. I believe he had. First of all, last week he had three catches of 22 or more yards. He came into the game in Week 12 with five catches all year of 22 or more yards. Like I had said on Tuesday or Wednesday show, whatever it was, there was so many opportunities for the Colts against Detroit and Pittman actually took advantage of some of it. But here's the stat I wanted to give with Josh Downs on the field this year. Michael Pittman has a 19.5% target per route run rate. With him off the field, it's 27.4%. And I actually was expecting Heath to be higher on Pittman because you were higher on him, I think last week and was a good call because he, he's now had a lot of targets two games in a row with Richardson. And that's with Downs playing for much of it. So the last I checked your rankings, I think it was a couple days ago, in all fairness, he was in the 40s. Where do you have Pittman now?

[Jamie]

I think he's like right around 36 or that's where he will be. And like you talked a lot about how high it was. I think he was like 38th last week, which was a lot higher than everybody else.

[Heath]

Yeah, but Dallas was playing, you know, so.

[Jamie]

So, you know, listen, I think there's a chance that we're just all too low on Michael Pittman and we do like, Jamie and I both like Anthony Richardson as a start this week. But there's also the chance that like Richardson goes 8 for 20 and has two rushing touchdowns and is still a good fantasy quarterback. And Pittman just doesn't have that good a day. So I. He's not a safe number three, but he is, he does have a little bit more upside. And I was trying to look, I couldn't get it pulled up. I think most of those big plays have happened when Richardson's playing quarterback, which is kind of the blessing and the curse. He can make big plays with Anthony Richardson, but there's nothing the way that he's thrived as like a high volume, high catch guy, hasn't been available with Richardson because the completion percentage numbers are so low.

[Dave]

And I will say this, I haven't said this in a while because of all the bye weeks when we have everybody playing and you look at our rankings really at mostly the wide receiver position. Wide receiver, 30 is still a number two receiver for me, I'm assuming probably pretty close, you know, so we can't fit all these guys that we like in the top 24. We can't fit all in the top 36. So you know, in, in the case of Heath, check out his projections on Sportsline. In the case of the sites projections, check them out on your league fantasy page. You know, you may see somebody that's ranked 36 and say, oh, that's not somebody that they like. We probably do like them, you know.

[Heath]

So why don't you put like a little T24 next to 12 guys?

[Jamie]

So I just pulled it up because that was a terrible idea. Six of Michael Pittman's seven longest receptions this year are from Anthony Richardson.

[Heath]

It doesn't surprise me, right? Richardson takes shots. But we do actually have a two game sample size of Michael Pittman with Anthony Richardson without Josh Downs. And it was terrible. It was 7.1 fantasy points in week one against Houston and it was 5.1 fantasy points in week two at Green Bay. We're just hoping that Richardson is playing a little bit better now and maybe can make more things happen. So you guys. So Heath, you said you and Jamie both like Anthony Richardson as a starter. Go ahead, make the case and tell me who you'd start Anthony Richardson over.

[Jamie]

I would start Anthony Richardson over Matthew Stafford, C.J. stroud, Jordan Love, Tuatanga Bailoa. I'd start him over Kyler Murray, James. And the case is that 2 has really not been very good this year and just got right against the Patriots. They're a terrible defense. Richardson has 29 to 30 point upside every time he steps on the field. And while there is some downside risk, still that upside's worth it against a really bad matchup. Really bad defense, good matchup.

[Heath]

A defense that gives up the six most completions of 20 or more yards. They give up a lot of big plays. All right, let's talk about Jonathan Taylor. Jamie, he comes off a dud 3.5 fantasy point points against Detroit. The week before that, he scored seven PPR fantasy points at the jets in six games. With Richardson, he has five catches, four touchdowns in those six games. So how do you feel about him against the Patriots, a good matchup?

[Dave]

I feel good about him because it's the Patriots and it's a good matchup. So he's not a top 10 fantasy running back. He's more of a top 20 fantasy running back, which is really disappointing to think of given where we drafted him and the amount of touches that he has. He had over 20 carries against the jets and, you know, had less than 60 yards rushing in that game. So if he's not catching the ball and not scoring touchdowns, it's really frustrating. And he does feel like a trap back given the situation. But it's Patriots like you said, you know, so if he was playing anybody else the rest of season schedule after their buy is not favorable, he's got Denver coming off of their bye Week. I think if he can get you to your championship week, they get the giants in week 17, that's great. But this week and that week feel like the best chances for Jonathan Taylor to be successful. He may fall into the end zone against the Broncos and I believe he also gets the Titans in week 15 or 16. One of those two. I'm sorry. He gets the Broncos in week 15, the Titans in week 16. So not easy back to back games. I just think if he gets you to your championship game, you'll be happy about it because the Giants should be a favorable opponent.

[Heath]

Is he better than Jonathan? Is he better, Is he better than Brian Robinson?

[Dave]

Yes, he is better than Brian Robinson. But I would start Bucky Irving over him this week. Obviously Chase Brown is easy. Chuba Hubbard against the Bucks, Juba Hubbard is easy. Tony Pollard is easy. I'm almost at the point, to be honest with you, where I, I would consider Rico Dottle this week over Jonathan Taylor. I don't have it ranked that way, but at least you know, Dottle will be three to five catches and his matchups the fantastic. It's the Giants. It's just the Patriots. If he was playing anybody else this week, he would almost be a set.

[Heath]

Anything to add, Heath? Are we good?

[Jamie]

No, we're good.

[Heath]

Okay, so the other Alec Pierce, Adonai Mitchell.

[Adam]

Any.

[Heath]

Anything there? Anyone?

[Jamie]

Alex Pierce didn't practice it either, I don't think.

[Heath]

Oh, I missed that. Okay. All right. So don't start him if he's not gonna play. But you guys aren't gonna have.

[Jamie]

We think he's going to play. It's Wednesday. But I don't want to start another Colts wide receiver. No.

[Heath]

All right, so over to the Patriots. Any starters on the Patriots? Anyone you want to start on New England? Henry.

[Dave]

Henry is a borderline starter. You know, again, I don't want to get. I don't want to panic. I don't think anybody should. Based on Austin Hooper scoring a touchdown, he still had nine targets and five catches in that game against Miami. So he's still a go to option for Drake May. And we've seen this Colts team really struggle against tight ends at tight ends at times. But you know, is, is he a must start tight end? No. So Taysom Hill clearly better. I like him better than Schoolmaker. I think he's not. Probably disagree on that one.

[Jamie]

I think I have Henry ahead of Schoolmaker.

[Dave]

You know, he's not, he's not somebody that I would run to. To. I wouldn't, I wouldn't run to replace him. I like him better than Kyle Pitts, for example. I like him better than Will Disley. You know, he's in that. I like him better than Mark Andrews this week and Laporta and commit and.

[Jamie]

Remind, raise a flex like there's still a chance Ramondre might have 18 touches in this game, might have 15 carries and three catches and turn out to be a number two running back. So I think I've got him 27th. There's a group of running backs we already talked about, the Steelers that I really don't want to start. I've got Nausea ahead of him, but he's ahead of Warren. I've got Swift just ahead of him, but he's ahead of Rashad White. I'd rather start Ramondre than Nick Chubb. I'd rather start him than a Chiefs or a Jacksonville running back, but I don't really want to start him.

[Heath]

I will listen, check his start percentage before the game because he's got this stretch going of basically every single week he defies his start percentage. If it's super low, he's going to have a big game. If people start buying into him, he's going to be terrible. So I've been tracking it and he was started in 82% of leagues last week and he scored 3.3 fantasy points.

[Dave]

I think this is a good matchup, though, for him. You know, just given how bad the Colts have been against opposing running backs and the amount of work that he should get, this shouldn't be a game where they got blown out each of the last two weeks. Like, I don't think they're getting blown out by the Colts in their build.

[Heath]

I know, but nobody has him that high, so I can't really.

[Dave]

It's 24 for me.

[Heath]

Okay. He is. He is averaging 2.85 yards per carry with a long of 12 yards on 85 carries in six games since returning from a foot injury. I just don't know if he's healthy. He's just been horrible. So. All right, you. No one's making a huge case for Randre Stevenson, but obviously we love him when there's a good game script. We love his role when there's a good game script. And this should be a pretty good game script. Demario Douglas will get you about. About 10 points. He'll be in the 9 to 12 point range. Book it. And that's about it. Let's see. I think we have some questions here. Taysom Hill or Hunter Henry? Taysom Taste rest of season Bucky Irving or Jonathan Taylor.

[Dave]

Bucky for two reasons his schedule is better, his work in the past three reasons his schedule is better, his work in the passing game is better. You don't have a bye week to worry about, so you can't play Taylor next week.

[Heath]

Johnu Smith or Ramandre Stevenson in ppr.

[Dave]

John it for me.

[Heath]

Oh John.

[Jamie]

Ooh yeah. I don't generally compare tight ends to running backs, but yeah, I've got Johnny a half a point better.

[Heath]

All right, and sit the DSTs in this game and we're gonna take a break on fantasy football today and when we come back I will knock my microphone over again and we will be right back with Cleveland at Denver after.

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[Heath]

Know why I'm really into this Cleveland Denver game on Monday night, guys. Am I the only one you feeling it? I really think Cleveland's going to be able to move the ball. I just. I've got Cleveland fever. Especially if. Well, if they're down a cornerback. I'm just wondering if that was the issue last week for, for Denver, you know, letting. Letting two wide receivers go for over 80 yards. That, that win against Pittsburgh was really impressive. And I'm just. I'm just feeling. I just. I think they've been pretty competitive since James has been there. Right. And they've had some fun games. They play some fun games. They give up a ton of big plays on defense. That's good. I really want to, like, sit down and I've actually watched a ton of Bo Nicks, but, like, on the all 22, which is kind of boring. I'm excited to watch a Bo Nicks game. And I think we have some interesting fantasy decisions in here as well.

[Jamie]

So it starts with a Judy revenge game.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Could technically call it a Jameis revenge game against Sean Payton. Was he. Did they overlap there in New Orleans and Peyton didn't play them?

[Dave]

Yes, they did. And I think you might be right that we had a Derek Carr injury. Right.

[Jamie]

And he played Taysom instead of Jameis.

[Dave]

He played Taste him instead of James.

[Heath]

Oh, wow.

[Adam]

Oh, yeah.

[Heath]

I love it. Now, see, now you're gonna watch. Someone asks, is it crazy to start Cortland Sutton over Amon Ross St. Brown? I'm worried about his injury.

[Dave]

I would not do that. But Sutton has been an absolute stud. I mean, what. What a month he's had after the no target game? I mean, the last five games, I believe it's like 14 PPR points or more. The last two have been, you know, just amazing as Bonix is gone, so has Cortland Sutton.

[Jamie]

So, yeah, I wouldn't do it either. And I just like, unless we hear something tomorrow morning, can you imagine your Thanksgiving being ruined as you watch a Monroe St. Brown score like 35 fantasy points and you're sitting there with your family trying not to be just absolutely miserable because he's on your bench and you tell someone, somebody at the table, I'm upset because he's on my bench. Why would you bench him on Rosie Brown.

[Dave]

Why would you not play both? Like, yeah, who are the other guys that you can't get both those guys in your lineup somewhere?

[Heath]

So last week we had all the buys and my wife had like some lineup decisions to make. So she, it was Tuesday and she's like, had to pick up some players. So I was like, who the best available player? She goes, this is a 10 team league. She goes, who's C. Sutton? I was like, pick him up, pick him up. So you never know. He loves to play your wife again. Ah, come on. She says he was the highest projected player. She would have picked him up without me. All right, so for Cleveland, you don't, you're not going to start Jameis Winston. You don't want to start Nick Chubb. Jerome Ford maybe can catch a few passes because the Broncos give up the fifth most receiving yards, two running backs, and then the Cleveland wide receivers. So how much does it change, Heath, if Cedric Tillman plays?

[Jamie]

You know, I was just looking at this because I'd said the thing about the slot and the moving around or the moving around. You mentioned the slot. And so I went and looked and over the last four weeks, and it's not just last week. I looked at prior weeks also. Jerry Judy has a 37 slot rate. Yeah, like they're moving him around a lot. I don't think he's gonna get followed. So I'm gonna start. Jerry Judy is in a three wide receiver league for sure. He's questionable in a two wide receiver league. I would downgrade his target percentage a little bit, but maybe upgrade his efficiency because I really don't think if Judy and Tillman and more are all there, that we're gonna have Patrick Sir Tan following one of them around because how would you guess which one to follow? So I'm gonna start Judy. If there's no, if there's no no Tillman, then I'm probably gonna start Elijah Moore. In full PPR leagues win number three, wide receiver. If Tillman's there, then Moore would be more of a flex. And I'd probably view Tillman as a low end number three wide receiver. But he might be the riskiest because he really doesn't go into the slot very often at all and could just get stuck with more snaps with certain on him.

[Heath]

A question from the chat. Jerry Judy, Darnell Mooney or Juwan Jennings if Brock Purdy is out? Well, I think you should answer both if Purdy's in or out.

[Dave]

Judy Jennings either way.

[Jamie]

Yeah. And I like the way San Francisco's behaved this year. We're probably going to be waiting until 10 minutes before their game to find out if Brock Purdy's playing Sunday night.

[Heath]

But you could still make a Judy because Judy's on Monday night. So you can still make that decision. All right, So I, I guess is. Well, Jamie, I just want to get you in on this because you're a little lower on. On Jerry Judy. As of now, you have him 29th and Heath has him 20th. Jerry Judy.

[Dave]

I just think it's. It's not an easy matchup. There is the opportunity here. Like if you're the Broncos and you traded away Jerry Judy, you don't want to see him come back in your building and have a good game. So the best way to do that is to put your best cornerback on him and take your chances elsewhere. Riley Moss's injury is not going to help the situation when you don't have your complete secondary available to you. Keep in mind, Judy's played four games with James wins. He's got one touchdown, you know, so I don't think you got to count on him scoring to help you. And he does have one big blow up game. That was the game he scored two games ago. So is he getting 11 targets? Is he going to get 14 PPR points or more? Are we living in that 11 to 12 range or living in that 12 range, which is kind of where he's been. So without any teams on a buy, I do think he qualifies as a, you know, close to a number two receiver. So in the top 30 is basically a number two receiver. But given the matchup, given the circumstances, given the potential of seeing some of Patrick's return, if not a lot of Patrick's return, I would lean more towards sit than start. He's definitely a sit for me in two quarterbacks and two wide receivers.

[Heath]

Okay. And Elijah Moore ranked below him. Anybody like David Najoku this week?

[Dave]

Yes.

[Jamie]

Low end, tight in one.

[Heath]

Taysom or David Ajoku?

[Dave]

Jason.

[Heath]

Come on. Ingram or Najoku?

[Dave]

Ingram with Trevor. Najoku without Trevor.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Heath]

Starter sit Bo Nicks must start quarterback top 10. This has been an easy matchup.

[Adam]

I mean, they give up the fourth.

[Heath]

Most passing yards per attempt. They give up among the Most big plays. Third most completions of 20 or more yards. Third most completions of 20 more air yards. Cleveland's defense has been really bad this year. They don't see a lot of pass attempts though. They've only won three games, but they don't see a lot of pass attempts against Six viewers pass attempts against for Cleveland, but it's. It's a good matchup. And Bo Nicks is playing well. And the funny. He's playing well, and he has five or fewer rushing yards in four of his last five games. So, you know, that's always in his back pocket. Who's the best running back in this game?

[Jamie]

Nick Chubb.

[Heath]

And star Cortland Sutton, Devon Vale or Elijah Moore?

[Dave]

More.

[Heath]

All right, let me see if I can read some questions in the chat here. Najoku or TJ Hawkinson?

[Dave]

Nijoku. Hawkinson's actually got a tough matchup. Arizona's been really good against tight ends. So, you know, it's one of those situations where it's not a lot of superstar tight ends that have done, you know, well again or done poorly against them. But Hawkinson, two good games, two bad games. I think this could be a little bit of a mediocre game for him.

[Jamie]

I've gotten a joke. Who one spot higher.

[Heath]

Elijah Moore. Alexander Madison in ppr more. Okay. All right, that is it for this game. You can start the.

[Dave]

Put that back up.

[Heath]

Oh, what was it? The more one.

[Dave]

So fantastic.

[Heath]

Is that Eric? Is that game Eric? Oh, that's me being. Me being absolutely terrified. Yeah.

[Dave]

Well done.

[Heath]

People are asking where I am. By the way, if you're watching. I'm in the. I'm in the office in Fort Lauderdale. I think I'm the only one in the building. In fact, I went to the bathroom and there was a cleaning lady in there, and she was like, oh, excuse me. No one's usually in here.

[Jamie]

You have to, like, peek through the crack.

[Heath]

She was just sitting there. You know, just the cleaning.

[Dave]

You know, I think. I think could be a result of. Of Adam. They've removed. They redid all the bathrooms.

[Heath]

No, I'm not disappointed. It's amazing. The stalls go all the way down to the floor now. It's great.

[Dave]

All the way down to the floor. You can't see through the cracks of the other thing. When he, you know, peeped a certain person that one time might have been me. And. Yeah, I think that that's the atom mazer result.

[Heath]

You're welcome.

[Jamie]

You're a little bit scared, right?

[Heath]

No, I'm fine.

[Jamie]

Like being in the building there with nobody else.

[Heath]

There's security guards here. I'm okay. Bo Nicks or Patrick Mahomes from Eric Moms. Sorry about that. That was really loud. All right, next game is the Chargers at the Falcons. How high do you have Justin Herbert ranked against this dreadful defense?

[Dave]

Top 10?

[Jamie]

10 or 11? Yeah.

[Heath]

Knicks or Herbert?

[Dave]

Herbert.

[Jamie]

I was just looking at this. I don't know which one I put ahead in the rankings at this point. They are both projected for the exact same score to the 100th point, so I think I'll probably go with Knicks.

[Heath]

All right. I mean, gosh, Atlanta, they have been really bad. They allowed 18 touchdown passes in their last seven games, 21 or more fantasy points to five straight quarterbacks. So Justin Herbert's got that going for him. Stat of the game, by the way, on this one, lad McConkey has four receptions of 16 or more yards in his last four games. That's what true media defines as a big play. That's the most in the NFL. I love that about McConkey. He is not your typical slot receiver. He works downfield, he makes big plays, and he's on fire. Is he in the top 20 this week? Lab.

[Dave]

McConkey, he's very close, so I'd start him over. Judy, trying to think who else of significance.

[Heath]

How about, like, the jets receivers or lad McConkey?

[Dave]

I have Wilson ahead of McConkey, McConkey ahead of Adams.

[Jamie]

Trying to figure out why I'm so low on McConkey. I do have both. The jets wide receiver, like, I've got them around 30.

[Heath]

I'll give you a reason to be. I'll give you a reason.

[Jamie]

Well, I've got a reason.

[Heath]

All right.

[Jamie]

The nine target game was awesome, but it's 62767. Like, that's not a top 20 wide receiver when you're getting six targets per game.

[Heath]

And the other thing is the last two weeks, they've given up a lot of points to the Bengals and the Ravens, and they've thrown. Justin Herbert's thrown 36 passes in both of those games. I don't. Atlanta's not a bad offense at all, but you guys don't really have Kirk Cousins ranked high, so maybe you're not expecting them to put up big points here. And maybe Justin Herbert gets back under 30 yards now or 30 past times now. No Dobbins, so that helps, I think, right? It helps the pass attempts, but there is that, you know, there's that downside. So I guess I should ask you about Quentin Johnston. No catches on five targets last week. Anybody have any interest in starting Quentin Johnston?

[Dave]

I don't think you want to start him. I mean, clearly depends on how many receivers you play, who's available to you based on injuries. And it's not a bad matchup. So, you know, he's like, we've talked about Tank Dell. We've Talked about the 49ers guys. We've talked about, you know, valet and. And players like that. Like, he's. He's sort of right in that range, you know, of, you know, low end, number three receiver. I do think that they're still touched out potentially, or I also think based on what Justin Herbert said where he kind of stuck up for him after the. The drops, that we may see some additional targets to try and get him back on track. So wouldn't surprise me if he's better. Plus, he also heard about our bet, so I. I think he wants to make sure that, you know, Quentin Johnson delivers so that the next time you come to South Florida, we take you back to your favorite burger joint.

[Heath]

Yeah, I'm picking the place.

[Jamie]

Like, if people know I'm never going to a place that you pick, like.

[Heath]

No, that's not fair.

[Jamie]

Lots of things about food that were clearly awful takes, but now that I know that your taste is actually bad, I won't be going any place that you choose that's. You probably told Dave to take me to that pizza place in New York. I like. I wouldn't want somebody. I wouldn't go drop. I don't want you to go drop Quentin Johnston for a valet or a Nick Westbrook. Like, I still think there's. There's that big play upside for Johnston every week, but I've got him ranked 48th, so I'm not exactly wanting to start him.

[Heath]

Will Disley and Kyle Pitts. I asked Jamie about this during the one question for each game. He says he's going to move Disley ahead of pits. Heath, you have Disley ahead of pits.

[Jamie]

I don't have either one ranked as a top 15 titan. I do have pits ahead of Disley, I think, but they're both like, I'd rather start Schoon Maker than either one.

[Heath]

Would you start Dallas Goddard over them even if devonte Smith plays? Or is that just devonte Smith dependent?

[Dave]

He was better with Smith.

[Heath]

He actually doesn't have a great track record of when one of the guys is out. Not that many games, but we'll. We'll get to that in a minute. All right, so we're not loving those tight ends. Kirk Cousins not loving him this week. When he is good, he's really good. When he is bad, he is really bad.

[Dave]

He's got four games over 20 fantasy points. Two of them have been against Tampa Bay. He does have a game against the Eagles that was for the Eagles. Were the Eagles. And it's just tough to trust he doesn't throw a touchdown in the last two games.

[Heath]

Yeah. And the Chargers, they were a good matchup before they. They were a good opponent. Sorry. A tough matchup before they faced Cincinnati and Baltimore. Start Bijan said Algier. Start London. Start Mooney. Right, but do you have McConkey over either of them? Nope.

[Dave]

No, I do have McConkey over Mooney. Yes.

[Heath]

All right. But they're all starts. Start those wide receivers. And that's Pitts and the Chargers dst. Last I checked, Dave was pretty low on the Chargers dst and you guys had them in the top. Jamie's got him ninth, sixth for Heath and 15th for Dave. As of right now, Philadelphia at Baltimore. It is the game of the week. I'm not gonna be able to, you know, next week I'll be back with an awesome game of the week.

[Adam]

Maybe I'll even do three to make.

[Heath]

Up for lost time. What should I do?

[Dave]

I'll. I was gonna get him last week on the last game, and then he left.

[Heath]

But you don't have the music and I don't either right now, so it's nothing without the music. I was gonna think of doing like an acapella version this morning or like a boom, boom, boom. It's the game of the week. Dumb. But. But like something like that. But I didn't. Philadelphia's at Baltimore. Start Hertz. Start. Jackson. Start. Barkley. Start. Henry. Start. Brown. Zay Flowers. Is he in that Same Mooney, London, McConkey Group?

[Dave]

Yes, I'm starting.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah, I'm starting him.

[Heath]

I think we're only talking about the tight ends of this game. Right? Right. Like, is that it? Not a lot of tough calls in this one. Bateman. You guys don't even have him ranked in the top 40, as I recall.

[Dave]

It's too. It's too difficult to get a lot again, all these receivers in there. But, you know, when you look at. Heath just mentioned a couple guys, Nick Westbrook, Akin and Marcos Valdez, Scantling and Alec Pierce, and these guys that are big play threats, you know, they all have the Spider man meme. They're all looking at each other going, okay, it's your turn. No, it's your turn. No, it's your turn. Bateman has done it now two of his last three games where he scored a big touchdown. Wouldn't be surprising. If it happens again, I don't trust it. But, you know, if you are desperate, and I think we're Going to see some situations where you're down big after, you know, facing some guys on Thursday or Friday who are the type of guys that can play hero ball, you know, so if you have a questionable wide receiver, you have a questionable flex. Bateman's the type of guy that can make up 15 points just with one play alone. So just keep that in mind.

[Jamie]

It's kind of like deciding between Demario Douglas and Rashad Bateman.

[Dave]

Right.

[Jamie]

Like, you're way up on Thursday. Play to Mario your way down. Play, Bateman.

[Dave]

Yep.

[Heath]

Well, the Eagles have allowed only two completions of 20 or more air yards since their bye week, which is. Which was week five. One of them was the garbage time. Touchdown to Cooper Cup, 27 yards. But I. I am con. A little concerned about them now. They've got. You got Bryce Huff on ir, you got Brandon Graham out for the season, you got Darius slaying. The concussion protocol, it is very different. But Fangio. I mean, this is what Fangio does. They just does not allow big plays. So there's that. What were you going to say, Heath?

[Jamie]

I just don't like. Those are great stats, and the Eagles defense has been great. And, like, if you're playing Lamar Jackson, I just don't care because, like, you can't play the same defense against Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry. You have to try to stop the run. And so they're going to expose themselves. And the type of big play, like, the touchdown Lamar Jackson threw wasn't open at all to Rashad Bateman.

[Heath]

How do you not laugh at what he just said? Jamie? If I had said that. He just said, expose themselves. Yeah, haven't you seen Ghostbusters, too?

[Adam]

And you don't want us exposing ourselves.

[Heath]

Yeah, that's what I would have said if I were Jamie. All right, here's a question. Bateman or like, this is easy. Bateman or Myers?

[Dave]

Oh, I get it.

[Heath]

Kobe Jacoby, Myers over Rashad Bateman. Sorry. So, all right, what was I gonna say? They can't stop the run. So I'm hoping for a lot of past attempts at this game, but I think Henry should do. Really?

[Jamie]

No team has a higher implied total this week than Baltimore.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Heath]

And how do we feel about Mark.

[Dave]

Andrews, Lamar Jackson, something like 22 and one against the NFC in his career.

[Heath]

Holy moly. How do we. I think the. Ooh. Who do I think? I think the Ravens are gonna win. Who do you guys like?

[Dave]

The Ravens.

[Jamie]

I. Not. Yeah, I take the Ravens.

[Heath]

So to stay.

[Jamie]

To stay in the. In the MVP conversation right there's.

[Dave]

A lot of not the favorite things that player.

[Heath]

Yeah, he has been so much better than everyone else. It's. It's just.

[Jamie]

It's not the best player. It's the most valuable player.

[Heath]

Yeah, he has been the most valuable player. He's incredible. All right, so Andrews and Goddard discuss.

[Dave]

I don't love the setup for Andrews. Eagles have been really good against tight ends and he's touchdown dependent. He does not have a game with double digits in PPR without a touchdown. He only has one game over 60 yards receiving this season. So if he scores, you'll be fine. If he doesn't score, you're probably looking at a mediocre day. One touchdown to a tight end all season.

[Jamie]

Goddard just barely in the top 12. Andrews just barely out of the top 12.

[Dave]

For me, yep.

[Heath]

If Devonte Smith plays. Starter, set.

[Jamie]

I'd rather not.

[Dave]

I'd probably try to avoid Goddard if he. If Smith plays.

[Heath]

I just want to bring up another angle of this game. Right. I think it's six straight games with 25 or fewer pass attempts for the Eagles and they rarely give up points. I mean, they've been the best defense in football, I believe, since they're by. So you said no team has a higher implied total than the Ravens. Are we going to get 35 pass attempts from Jalen Hurts? You know, if that possibility is on the table. And if that happens, Dallas Goddard should probably be ranked higher if that were to happen. And if, if Devonte Smith plays and you get 35 pass them, she probably get a good game out of him, too. So I just want to put that out there because the Eagles that we know and don't love from a fantasy standpoint because they run the ball so much may have to change things up a little bit.

[Dave]

They may, but you also may get, based on how the matchup looks, like this could be a Saquon Barkley passing game performance.

[Heath]

He's gonna throw the ball.

[Dave]

Receiving game performance. You know, we've seen running backs have a lot of success catching the ball against this defense, you know, so if he can't run against them, which I don't think is the case, but if he can't, then, you know, we may see Jalen hurts throwing the ball to him quite a bit.

[Heath]

Someone said I look like the kind of guy who takes all the individual food out of my stuffing and eats them separately. Like what? That's the thing about stuffing. Like, you don't even know what's in it.

[Adam]

Everyone makes it.

[Heath]

What's in your stuffing?

[Jamie]

Heath I don't make stuffing.

[Heath]

Jamie, what's in your stuffing?

[Dave]

Stuff. All right.

[Heath]

San Francisco's at Buffalo. Stat of the game is about how much San Francisco stinks against slot receivers. If Brock Purdy plays, is he going to be in your top 15?

[Dave]

No.

[Heath]

Listen, the bills DST is 78 rostered. You might want to take a look at them. James Cook, starter. Sit. Wait, wait. I'm sorry. Sorry. Let's go to the Niners first. Christian McCaffrey, starter. Sit.

[Dave]

Oh, boy. Man. If no Purdy and if no Trent Williams, he is a start, but he is not a top 10 running back.

[Jamie]

I have James Cook ranked ahead of Christian McCaffrey.

[Dave]

Me too.

[Heath]

McCaffrey, three games last year without a touchdown. Three games this year without a touchdown. That's incredible. He has a long of 13 yards so far. He has not had a. He has not had a three game stretch without a 15 yard run since 2020. I think maybe 20. I think 2019. I don't know, somewhere around. It's been a while. He's struggling right now and he's had, that's the thing. He has had great matchups. He has faced three bad run defenses and he's done very poorly. So, you know. But who the heck is sitting Christian McCaffrey?

[Dave]

I just, I just hope you know, I brought this up to Robert Turbin on our show today. You will recall this because I believe you were hosting the show when he said, Josh Jacob's going to take some time because of the holdout. I mean, he didn't play in training camp. He sat at the first nine games like he's just getting his legs underneath him. So this is the week, like this is the week we should see the best of him. But does the environment suggest the best of him? You got a Buffalo defense that's rested coming off a buy. You have potentially no left tackle, potentially no quarterback. Yeah, like this could not be a worse setup for what Christian McCaffrey needs. You know, every great player needs some help and he still needs the guys around him. The best offensive lineman in football, one of the better quarterbacks in football to help him. He's not getting that right now.

[Jamie]

So I, I think it was one of you said, who's sitting Christian McCaffrey? And I like, it is like looking at my rankings, you could really easily have Chase Brown and Bucky Irving and Chuba Hubbard and like play three running backs and not start Christian McCaffrey.

[Heath]

Yeah, I wouldn't do that, but I could see your case. I would probably sit Bucky Irving. I think I need one more game of him dominate. You know, dominating the catches. I think could easily go back to Rashad White this week.

[Dave]

Who.

[Heath]

But I would. I would start McCaffrey over Irving and Chuba Hubbard for what.

[Dave]

Who is the no matter what all not sit team. So like we talked about Tyree Kill and I made the case like most people are not going to set him right.

[Heath]

We.

[Dave]

We went all season long talking about Patrick Mahomes. He was still starting 85 of leagues pretty consistently. CD Lamb the last three weeks has been started across the board. He's rewarded to with two games. I don't know if he's the best example of that but.

[Heath]

All right.

[Dave]

Lamar Jackson neighbors right now.

[Heath]

So look like you're saying guys that will just never be sad.

[Dave]

Guys that are struggling because I mean, you know, you can't be.

[Jamie]

There's Lamar Jackson, the guy who scored five more fantasy points for games.

[Dave]

I'll say three weeks. Three weeks in a row of bad production. No matter what. You're still not sending him.

[Jamie]

I. There's a couple of leagues that I started.

[Heath]

McCaffrey is the captain for me. He hasn't been that bad though.

[Dave]

Is. Is a good captain. Who's the quarterback right now?

[Heath]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Dave]

Tyler?

[Heath]

No, I'd say.

[Jamie]

I'd say Ghost.

[Heath]

I gotta. I need to look at some teams. This is a tough one. I would. I don't think there is one like Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts has had two bad games in a row actually. And if he has another one, I'll still start him.

[Dave]

We started. We started Jaden Daniels during his batch.

[Heath]

Oh, that's a good one. That's the one right there.

[Dave]

All right. So J.D.

[Heath]

Sorry, I think we kind of need to move on here. But I do like this conversation. It's just going to take me too long. All right, so don't start Purdy. Start McCaffrey. We talked about the wide receivers. You really got to pay attention to the weather on Sunday in this game. But we like Jennings more than Debo Samuel. I do think we have some questions here. Roma Dunesay or Debo Samuel? Wrong. I'll keep looking. Aaron Jones or Christian McCaffrey?

[Dave]

Rome if you want to.

[Heath]

I like that. Very good. And sorry. What was it? Oh, Aaron Jones or Christian McCaffrey? McCaffrey.

[Dave]

McCaffrey.

[Heath]

Debo Samuel or Jalen Waddle bottle. The 149er we're not compromising on is George Kittle. He's a top four tight end. He start him and Josh Allen, you're gonna start. James Cook, you're gonna start. How do you feel about any, any Bills receivers that you're excited about? Heath?

[Jamie]

I am starting Khalil Shakir as a number two wide receiver if Keon Coleman's out. I will start Khalil Shakir as a number three wide receiver if Keon Coleman's back.

[Heath]

And how to feel about Amari Cooper at this point? He still has. He hasn't played more than 51 of the snaps yet.

[Jamie]

He's gonna do that before I'm getting a rank. He's not in my top 48.

[Heath]

Okay. And Kincaid has not practiced, but I assume we're going to be sitting him if even if he plays. It's a very tough matchup. This team is very good against tight ends. Bill's DST is top five right now.

[Adam]

Cleveland is.

[Heath]

No, wait, I have one more game. It's not Cleveland. Denver. We already did that one. So hold on. What's my last game? It is Pittsburgh at Cincinnati. There we go. Sorry. Pittsburgh. Cincinnati. Okay, if Pittsburgh's defense is good. But do you. Are we hesitating at all with the big four on Cincinnati? Okay. No, we're not.

[Jamie]

Not even all top 12.

[Heath]

Are we hesitating at all on George Pickens?

[Dave]

No, he's not a top 10 receiver this week, but he's still a must start guy.

[Heath]

Any interest in Russell Wilson?

[Jamie]

No.

[Dave]

I don't mind him in super flexing two quarterback leagues. This defense has given up a lot of points to quarterbacks. And you look at it, yes, he's not played, he doesn't got good fantasy production last two weeks. But how much can we really, you know, factor in the game in the snow, you know, so yeah, if, if the matchup is as good as it has been, he should have a bounce back game here.

[Heath]

You know what the weird thing is about him? If you look at his past attempts, Russell Wilson of 20 or more air yards, the games where he's been really good at that have not been the games where he's been good for fantasy. Last week he had 135 yards and a touchdown on past attempts of 30 or more air yards and he scored 15.8 points. So against the jets he had 81 yards, no touchdowns and he scored 29 points against the jets or 28.9. So it hasn't necessarily correlated. But I do have to mention like what scares me about Russell Wilson. I'm sure what scares you guys too is that they are putting Justin Fields in from time to Time and you just don't want him coming off the field at the two yard line or something like that. That takes away a scoring opportunity.

[Jamie]

It's just like you can't. It's so difficult to be good if you don't throw 30 times a game and you don't run.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Like, it's a really simple match.

[Adam]

There is a chance. This, you know, this is an interesting.

[Heath]

Game because, like I could.

[Adam]

It's an intriguing game.

[Heath]

It's a rivalry, it's a division game and Steelers have been really good against, you know, they were good against the Ravens just a few weeks ago, but no one's sitting the big four players on Cincinnati. No one's starting Micah Sicki. I don't think you're starting Pat Fryermyth. Although Friarmouth. Jamie has a great matchup. Right. I mean, where did he end up in your rankings?

[Dave]

Just inside the top 20. But there's just, you know, a glut of tight ends that kind of fall into that group of like 13 through 24.

[Heath]

Arthur Smith, here's.

[Jamie]

Washington has more targets than Pat Bryan Ruth since Russell Wilson became the quarterback.

[Heath]

Pickens or McLaren Pickens.

[Dave]

Oh, no, I'm sorry, McCormick.

[Jamie]

I've got Pickens.

[Heath]

Okay there, but you should start both of them if you can, but obviously you can't. And Naji Harris, Jalen Warren, the one.

[Dave]

That sent somebody said you're handsome.

[Heath]

They just do that to get that. Yeah, they know what they're doing. I'm. Obviously they're right. But Naji Harris and Jalen Warren, we talked about earlier, but we don't love them. And, and that's it. That's this game. Steelers DST. Eagles. I forgot to ask about the Eagles DST. Are you starting the Eagles or Steelers DSTs this week?

[Dave]

I would prefer not to. I don't want to drop them. So it's just a matter of, you know, what you're looking at for your team.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Dave]

But you know, you're talking about one team facing Lamar Jackson and they score points on everybody and one team facing the Bengals and they score points on everybody. So I just think it's not smart to start them if you need a must win.

[Heath]

Well, thank you all and I hope you all have an amazing Thanksgiving. Great Thanksgiving, Great Thursday, watching football with your family and your friends and good luck to you in week 14. Dave, Jamie and Heath will be back on Friday with starter sit for only five more games and then I'll be back with the guys on Sunday to get your lineup set for what should be a very fun week 13 of Thomas Schaefer, who's by the way, working for on thank or working tonight. He could be home having Thanksgiving, but he's, he's a trooper, so we appreciate that. For Schaefer, for Heath, for Jamie, I'm Adam. Have a good one, everybody. We'll talk to you on Friday.

[Adam]

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[Heath]

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