Start or Sit (NFC): Aim for Upside? Start Jameson Williams? DK Metcalf? James Cook? (12/13 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today: Episode Summary

Title: Start or Sit (NFC): Aim for Upside? Start Jameson Williams? DK Metcalf? James Cook?
Release Date: December 13, 2024
Host/Analysts: Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, Heath Cummings, and the CBS Sports Fantasy Football Crew

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Introduction

In the December 13, 2024 episode of Fantasy Football Today, host Adam Aizer and analysts Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, and Heath Cummings delve into critical decisions for Fantasy Football managers gearing up for Week 15. The episode focuses on the "Start or Sit" debate within the NFC, exploring whether to prioritize upside plays by selecting players like Jameson Williams, DK Metcalf, or James Cook.

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Start or Sit Analysis

The core discussion revolves around determining the optimal lineup for Week 15, analyzing the performance and potential of key NFC players.

Jameson Williams vs. Khalil Shakir

Adam introduces a listener question comparing Jameson Williams and Khalil Shakir in PPR formats.

Adam [07:32]: "I got this question on the radio today... Jameson Williams versus Khalil Shakir and PPR. So to me, they're close to begin with."

Dave concurs, emphasizing the ceiling Williams offers:

Dave [07:48]: "Yeah, I agree completely. Yep."

Jamey positions Shakir as a must-start:

Jamey [22:17]: "I would call Shakir. Must start."

Despite Williams' increased target share, concerns about his touchdown reliability remain:

Dave [11:35]: "Jameson Williams, he has like one or two end zone targets all year. He never gets targeted there."

DK Metcalf vs. Romeo Dobbs

The panel examines DK Metcalf's recent decline in performance, attributing it to possible injuries and QB inconsistency.

Jamey [10:02]: "DK Metcalf just doesn't look as good as he did earlier in the season..."

Dave remains skeptical about Metcalf's upside:

Dave [07:19]: "He's not sitting; he's better than you think."

However, Adam argues against sitting him outright:

Adam [05:40]: "There are not two players that I don't want to start for most of these guys..."

James Cook vs. Rashad White

Debating between James Cook and Rashad White, the analysts consider Cook's recent underperformance against strong defenses.

Adam [30:52]: "James Cook is not an automatic start. He's definitely not an automatic sit."

Jamey suggests prioritizing White over Cook:

Jamey [32:17]: "Jonathan Taylor is better than James Cook this week."

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Team-Specific Player Evaluations

The episode provides in-depth evaluations for specific matchups:

Buffalo at Detroit

• Must-Start Players: Tim Patrick, Matt Collins
• Borderline Must-Start: Khalil Shakir
• Notable Quote:

  Adam [07:50]: "If you're looking for most upside, you're going to play Jameson over secure..."

Chicago at Minnesota

• Concerns: Caleb Williams' inconsistent passing against strong run defenses.
• Notable Quote:

  Jamey [24:20]: "I don't feel good starting him. No, he wasn't on either of his touchdowns last week."

Green Bay at Seattle

• Key Players: Josh Jacobs (must-start), JSN (secure start)
• Metcalf's Status: Limited playing time due to shoulder injury.
• Notable Quote:

  Dave [25:02]: "There are not two players that I'm most confident in."

New England at Arizona

• Tight End Decision: Marvin Harrison Jr. vs. Ramandre Stevenson
• Notable Quote:

  Jamey [26:22]: "I'll take Harrison. He has been fantastic the last two weeks, and it's a very good matchup."

Dallas at Carolina

• Player Choices: Adam Thielen over certain running backs or wide receivers
• Notable Quote:

  Adam [27:16]: "I'd start feeling over Stevenson. I'd start him over. ..."

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Injury Updates and Waiver Wire Insights

The analysts provide the latest updates on player injuries and waiver wire pickups, advising managers on strategic additions to their rosters.

• Key Injuries:

  • Alvin Kamara facing illness concerns
  • Dak Prescott listed as limited
  • Jonathan Taylor maintaining performance despite Buffalo's defense

• Waiver Wire Recommendations:

  • Tajie Spears and Cedric Tillman as potential high-upside additions
  • Jake Ferguson highlighted for a breakout game potential

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Daily Fantasy and Trade Grades

The show briefly touches upon strategies for daily fantasy sports (DFS) and evaluating trades, though these segments were largely overshadowed by the "Start or Sit" discussions.

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Mailbag and Listener Questions

Listeners' inquiries feature prominently, with the hosts addressing specific lineup dilemmas and matchup-based decisions, ensuring practical takeaways for managing fantasy teams effectively.

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Insights and Conclusions

The episode underscores the importance of balancing high-upside plays with reliable performers, especially in the critical Week 15 playoff runs. Key takeaways include:

• Risk Management: Understanding player matchups and recent performances to mitigate losses.
• Upside vs. Reliability: Strategic choices between players who can deliver big scores versus those who consistently provide modest points.
• Injury Vigilance: Staying updated on player health to make informed decisions on the waiver wire and starting lineups.

Adam [04:02]: "I did want to share this. The night that Jamar Chase scored, I think 55 points against the Ravens Thursday night, I lost two Jamar Chase leagues."

The hosts emphasize adaptability and continuous analysis to navigate the evolving dynamics of fantasy football playoffs, ensuring managers are well-equipped to make pivotal decisions that could determine their league's outcome.

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Closing Remarks

As Week 15 approaches, Fantasy Football Today provides actionable insights and comprehensive analyses to help listeners optimize their lineups, leverage waiver opportunities, and navigate the high-stakes environment of fantasy football playoffs. The collaborative expertise of Adam, Dave, Jamey, and Heath offers a robust support system for managers aiming to secure their league's championship.

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Note: All timestamps referenced correspond to the podcast's transcript and are approximate.

Transcript

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[Dave]

Welcome everybody. Starter sit for fantasy week 15, part two. We've got seven games to break down, drag down today and of course look back at a horror show from Thursday night.

[Adam]

No, no, no. What? Just skip it.

[Jamie]

Seriously.

[Dave]

Ooh. We welcome you.

[Adam]

Just take the night off like Cooper.

[Dave]

Cup did to fantasy football Today, presented by BetMGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas. Sorry, guys. Now you can talk. That was pretty rough. That was pretty rough.

[Adam]

Pretty rough. I think I lost six leagues just on last night alone.

[Dave]

You never know. You know, I was gonna.

[Adam]

Oh, I know. You beat me in the fft. Congratulations.

[Dave]

Stop. Stop.

[Adam]

Heath won in the. In. Congratulations. I'm done. Absolutely done.

[Jamie]

Now the old reverse kibosh.

[Adam]

I have no. I. I have literally one league where Purdy is my starting quarterback and both Rams receivers are in the lineup. Done. Absolutely done. No chance.

[Dave]

No, that's not true. You know, I was gonna. Oh, this is true for people.

[Jamie]

Wait, wait, wait. So you're just quitting on the league? You're not even gonna bother?

[Dave]

No chance.

[Adam]

There's no chance.

[Jamie]

There's always a chance.

[Adam]

There's no chance. When two of my players.

[Jamie]

Let's say you're watching you right now and you're looking for advice on how to overcome this. What would you say?

[Adam]

Go play dfs. Have a great rest of season.

[Dave]

In all seriousness, I did want to share this. I did want to share this. The. The night that Jamar Chase scored, I think 55 points against the Ravens Thursday night, I lost. I had two Jamar Chase leagues I lost. Think about some of your.

[Adam]

Now you know how I feel. We lost. Congratulations.

[Dave]

No, no, I lost one of them. I lost one.

[Jamie]

Except he lost earlier in the year. You're losing in the playoffs now.

[Dave]

Hold on.

[Adam]

I'm.

[Dave]

I'm saying I lost with a 55 point game on Thursday. Go look at some of your lineups that have won recently. I bet there was a stinker or two in there. Don't worry about it. You advance in fft.

[Adam]

Heath won in. In yolo. Trying to think. Any other ones that involve any of us? No, that's probably it. Congratulations. My Friend Jason. He beat me in the league where I started. Purdy and two Rams receivers. Yeah, done well.

[Dave]

Matthew Stafford had the ninth fewest passing yards of his career with a minimum of 20 pass attempts. He threw for 160 yards, and Puka Nakua had 97 of them. He was the only one who was good. Brock Purdy, this is his second game in his last three with four or fewer fantasy points. And of course, the other one was that snow game in Buffalo. But he also.

[Adam]

They're gonna. They're gonna score 50 points next week in Miami.

[Dave]

Yeah, of course they're also. He also scored 2.4 fantasy points in week 16 of last year against Baltimore. So some bad playoff performances in the fantasy playoffs for Brock Purdy. He's better in the regular playoffs, but we probably won't know that this year. All right, so instead of kind of going, oh, you're gonna start them next week and all that. Cause we probably are for most of these guys. And the rain.

[Adam]

Well, no, I won't be starting them at all.

[Dave]

The rain was obviously a factor in the first half, but not the second half. Do you adjust your strategy based on Thursday's game? I just go.

[Adam]

I just go write a check. Here's my entry fee.

[Dave]

So sad.

[Jamie]

JV just quits on it all.

[Adam]

Listen, you got to be realistic sometimes. It was a great season. I had a lot of fun. I enjoyed my fantasy leagues. Go screw yourself, Cooper Cup.

[Dave]

I've never seen this. Jamie is very even keeled. He, by the way, in our fantasy football today league that he's already crowned me in. He started Jennings and Kittle. I started Puka Nakua. I have a 55% chance to win according to projections. No, you won. But in all seriousness, Dave, that's the one who's not flipping out right now. Do you adjust your strategy? You try to hit the upside plays if you had a bad night or play it safe if your opponent had a bad night or anything. Or do you just set your lineup like you normally would?

[Jamie]

Never quit, never surrender. And I don't think Jamie is really doing either of those things. I would look at my lineup and say, all right, do I have anybody in now who just doesn't have a high ceiling? Maybe somebody that I'm starting for, like the safe play for 10 PPR points, maybe 15 if they find the end zone. And do I have anybody on my bench that I'm willing to take a risk with? I'm down big or I'm projected down big. Is there somebody that I can put into my lineup. That's got high upside. So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to look at Jamie's team in the FFT league, and I'm going to see if there's anything his team could do to. To try and compete this week.

[Dave]

Oh. Against me. But I will just give my two cents. I will give my two cents, and I am not going to start Jameson Williams over some top 15 or 20 like A.J. brown.

[Adam]

I got. I got this question on the radio today. I got a question on the radio this morning. Jameson Williams versus Khalil Shakir and ppr. So to me, they're close to begin with. If you're. If you're talking about who's got the highest ceiling because you feel like you're chasing points, you're going to play Jameson over secure, like that's close enough where you can make that decision. I see where you're going with.

[Dave]

Yeah, I agree completely. Yep.

[Adam]

But then again, you could have Jameson Williams who, you know, drops the touchdown like Debo Samuel did. So thanks.

[Dave]

Debo. You didn't start Tebow. Get out of here.

[Adam]

I did in the podcast league.

[Dave]

Oh, man.

[Jamie]

Yeah, Another bad night for Debo. Okay, here's Jamie's team. He's got Burrow at quarterback. That guy can always go off. He's got Jonathan Taylor and he's got both Bucks running back. So he's going to start one of Rashad White or Bucky Irving.

[Adam]

Bucky will come back and screw. Screw over both of them.

[Jamie]

Well, maybe Brian Thomas junior's in your lineup. Garrett Wilson's in your lineup. In your lineup.

[Dave]

I don't like to know this. And. And.

[Jamie]

Oh, man. Adam, you're not gonna like this. Jamie's got the Ravens defense. And then I look at Adam's team. Okay, you've got Jalen Hurts, Rico dowdle, Joe Mixon, A.J. brown.

[Adam]

You're starting a roster.

[Jamie]

You're starting. Jamie's gonna win this.

[Dave]

I know. It's what I'm saying.

[Jamie]

My team, your receivers are weak.

[Dave]

I had Christian McCaffrey in that league. You know, he's got it. He's got. All right, so any. I just want to.

[Jamie]

You're starting Hertz over golf. I wouldn't.

[Dave]

I'm probably starting off. But listen, I don't adjust your lineup too much. You don't know who has the most upside, and you don't know how the rest of your week is going to play out. Don't start a guy that you think is going to be worse. Than player A because he might have a bigger game. You're going to kick yourself, but you know, but you're going to kick yourself if you lose by three points because you bench someone who gave you 12 for someone who gave you a six because you thought the guy who gave you six, you know, had a bigger, had more upside or people, you could.

[Jamie]

Say the exact same thing the other way. You lose by three points because you didn't play the guy with higher upside who came through. Now you're not going to do anything ridiculous. You're not starting, you know, Tyler Lockett over Mike Evans or something like that. But I, I, I think we know who the high upside receivers are at this point. You talked about Jameson Williams, Ridley and Westbrook Aquina are in there. We'll talk about other ones as we go through today. Like those are the types of players that I will look at starting over. Veteran receivers that just aren't as exciting or younger receivers that haven't been proven. Like Adam, if you had, you've got Oduns in your life. If you had Westbrook Akini, I might make that switch and play the higher upside.

[Dave]

Oh, I see. Okay. I mean, we're talking about two receivers that I don't really want to be starting. But Nick Westbrook Akina does not really fall into this category. But you're talking about him against Odunze. I'm talking about who's this. Who's a safe wide receiver that, you know, maybe people don't think has a lot of upside.

[Jamie]

I a safe wide receiver that has a lot of upside that I would sit for someone with a lot of upside.

[Dave]

Okay, for example, would you, would you sit, Would you sit Zay Flowers for Nick Westbrook Akin. No way. Right. You wouldn't do that.

[Jamie]

Probably not. Because we know that Zay Flowers has that same type of upside. Even though I'm worried about the number.

[Adam]

Of targets of what we, what we do. You know, what we should do is go build a time machine and then Isaac and don't.

[Dave]

All right, let's move on here.

[Jamie]

Let me give you one other name, though. Adam. You and I studied DK Metcalf yesterday.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And he just doesn't look as good as he did earlier in the season. He's clearly playing through something that might be somebody that if I'm down big, I would sit for someone with higher upside.

[Dave]

I would not sit him for Nick Westbrook Akin. No way. And I would not sit him for who is somebody. I would not sit. I would. No, I would not to think that DK Metcalf doesn't have big upside. When I've looked at two plays in the last three weeks where he's been open for a touchdown and Geno Smith missed them, I just.

[Jamie]

Well, that's a problem.

[Dave]

And, and Jameson Williams, he has like one or two end zone targets all year. He never gets targeted there. I. That's what I'm saying. Like upside is perceived. It's not necessarily reality. All right.

[Jamie]

Nothing is reality. Cooper cup is unfortunate reality.

[Dave]

I guess that's what you call no. 1 fantasy football.

[Jamie]

Do you think anyone on the planet would have said Cooper cup would delivered zero catches?

[Dave]

No. No.

[Jamie]

Well, reality is the bad part.

[Adam]

Outscored the entire receiving core for both teams by himself.

[Dave]

That's amazing. All right, Sunday, we'll help you out with a little therapy session.

[Adam]

Let's give Karen Williams credit. He had a good game.

[Dave]

He was fine.

[Jamie]

All right. He was all right.

[Dave]

Yeah. It didn't win your league. Sunday, 11:30am Eastern.

[Jamie]

I don't know if anybody from that game won your league.

[Dave]

YouTube.com fantasy football Today we're on CBS Sports Network Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday at 1pm Eastern. Please check that out. Let's do some news and notes. So just to recap some. Oh, by the way, Today's Friday the 13th and we're going to be doing some spooky stuff throughout the show.

[Adam]

I'm scared of the Thursday night game.

[Dave]

Yeah, you should be. But I, I got some spooky music to play and we're going to give you scary stats for every game to try to scare you off your favorite players.

[Adam]

How happy are you right now? If you played against anybody from last.

[Jamie]

Night, by the way, I'm thrilled.

[Adam]

Like, Adam should be doing the dance.

[Dave]

I didn't know that. I didn't look at your lose to you. I didn't look at your lineup. And then I saw the score this morning. You know, it's on the main page screen. It's so the score. And I was like, that's a lot of points for Jamie. He definitely didn't have one player. He must have had at least two. So I did look and I saw you had two players. All right. It was like 90.

[Adam]

I beat Heath by 80 points in our YOLO league and he had a good week. I had an amazing week and I have Stafford, Kyron and Puka in that. In that league and it's over.

[Dave]

Done.

[Jamie]

That one you're done in. But the one against Adam, I think you're going to win.

[Adam]

No, done.

[Jamie]

Done.

[Adam]

In both.

[Dave]

All right. All right. Tommy DeVito starting for the Giants. Jake Hayner starting for the Saints. Aiden O'Connell wants to play them up.

[Adam]

They have upside. Guess what? They'll be better than purdy.

[Jamie]

Right? Start JK intercept property.

[Dave]

That's so funny. Aiden O'Connell might play. He wants to play. Joe Burrow has a knee injury. Says he's fine. Will Levis practice in full again? Joe, Justin Herbert practice. He's good running back News. You gotta keep an eye. Tony Pollard's faked us out a few times this year, but he has missed practice each of the first two days of this week with an ankle injury, so I was almost dropped. Tajie Spears last night said, you know what? Wait, not. Not yet. Not yet.

[Jamie]

Well, I think people should make sure that Taj Spears is no longer available on waivers. Yeah, he was available in a couple of our leagues. I picked him up this morning.

[Dave]

Ken Walker missed practice. Still not expecting him Sunday night game. So I really hope that's not a Sunday morning we don't know kind of situation. Both Bears running back still out. Roshan Johnson still in the concussion protocol. DeAndre Swift missed practice with a groin injury. They're playing Monday, so that was their first practice of the week, you know, but. And Travis Homer left with an injury, too. I don't even know what to say there, but it's probably going to be practicing.

[Jamie]

He left with a head injury, but okay, good. And I would imagine that Swift will get into practice by Saturday.

[Dave]

Boy, you talk about someone who scares me this week and someone who baffles me. It's Alvin Kamara. Alvin Kamara hasn't scored in seven straight games, and yet he's a top 16 running back per game in half half PPR and even better in full PPR in that stretch. So Camara's missed two practices with an illness, though, so keep an eye on that. Bucky Irving missed practice. Amari D. Mercado missed practice for Arizona. Aaron Jones was limited. Why do I bring up Amari D. Mercado if he doesn't play? That could be more catches for James Connor. Aaron Jones was limited. And Alexander Madison. We know this sincere McCormick is going to start even though Madison's going to play DeMarcus Robinson. Oh, sorry, he shouldn't read that one anymore. He played, did nothing.

[Jamie]

He's better than Cooper Cup.

[Dave]

See, we're not expecting George Pickens. I think we are expecting Keon Coleman, right?

[Adam]

Yes.

[Jamie]

Yes, yes.

[Dave]

Josh Downs were expecting.

[Adam]

Yes. Practice in full.

[Dave]

Okay. Mike Evans and Sterling Shepard missed practice. Lad McConkey still limited. Rashad Bateman practiced in full. Marquis Brown could return soon for the Chiefs. Dave's been talking about him for a couple weeks as a beat the waiver wire guy. Cedric.

[Jamie]

Yeah, more of a stash on the I.R. kind of guy.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And just to be clear, Robinson was as good as Cooper cup on Thursday.

[Dave]

Right.

[Jamie]

But both of them were terrible compared.

[Dave]

To Ricky Pearsall, Cedric Tillman and Romeo Dodge. I. I don't know if they're gonna play Cedric Till. It looks like Dobbs is trending in the right direction. Not so sure about Bob is practicing.

[Adam]

In full, but he just has not cleared the concussion protocol. I don't know if Tillman's practiced in.

[Dave]

Full officially and Tillman's interesting because Najoku is probably out this week. So that. You know what, let's talk about that. And with Najoku likely out with a hamstring injury against the Chiefs. Jamie, how does that change things? We talked about this game yesterday. How did that change thing for the. Change things for the Browns receiving corps?

[Adam]

I don't think it changes things much for the Browns receiving corps, except for maybe Elijah Moore if Tillman is back. If Tillman is out, then, you know, the, the ancillary pieces for the Browns I really don't have much interest in. You know, I don't think Jordan Akins or the other tight ends there in, in Cleveland are going to necessarily be someone you're starting this week. You know, these are not the type of players you're using to chase if you're down, for example, Thursday night. But it makes me a little bit more nervous about Jameis, you know, because you're still talking about a quarterback that needs a reliable option in the middle of the field. And the joke has been so clutch for him. He's been such a good red zone option for him. So you take away Jameis, you take away Nijoku. I dropped Jameis a couple spots in my ranking, so I would still consider him a streamer. But he's behind where I had him initially before. He's behind Bo Nicks, he's behind Mahomes, he's behind Richardson, which I had already, you know, so I, I think the ceiling is much lower. And if you look at it, we don't talk about this enough. Our sports line projections have been really good this season. They have James 28th.

[Dave]

Whoa.

[Adam]

So I don't think he's going to do that, obviously, but they are way out on Jameis Winston, you know, where.

[Jamie]

Were they on Purdy and Stafford, I'm.

[Adam]

Sure like everybody else, probably really high.

[Jamie]

2930Th Look, I, I agree with you. I think that there is a problem if New Joker doesn't play. He's been a short area guy on top of being a an end zone target for Winston. But if Tillman's back, I just, I can't help myself. I still think that James is going to have the type of volume and certainly has enough targets to put up some good numbers.

[Dave]

All right. And Tyler. Never mind. Forget him. Evan Ingram I gotta update my notes. Evan Ingram mispractice with a shoulder injury. So he I think Doug Peterson expressed optimism about Ingram, but we'll see. And Trey McBride Ltd. With a knee should be fine. All right. If you haven't signed up yet for BetMGM, use the bonus code Fantasy what an offer. You're going to get up to a fifteen hundred dollar first bet offer on your first wager with BetMGM. Here's how it works. Download the BetMGM app and sign up using the bonus code Fantasy. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game and you'll receive up to $1,500 in bonus bets if your bet loses. Just make sure that you use the bonus code Fantasy when you sign up. Let's take a little break here and when we come back, we'll do one question for each game after this.

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[Adam]

Tim Patrick, Matt Collins. Yes, there are must start wide receivers in this game.

[Dave]

Okay, how many?

[Adam]

There's one and potentially two. Monroe St. Brown is still a must start wide receiver and Khalil Shakir is a borderline must start wide receiver.

[Jamie]

I would call Shakira. Must start.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Do you think Shakir is better than the 12ish points he usually gives you?

[Adam]

I think that's where you start. And so look, he's obviously better in PPR than the other formats because he doesn't score touchdowns consistently. And that's not necessarily a staple of what Josh Allen has been doing is throwing touchdowns to his wide receivers Consistently. So you do have Keon Coleman back. You're coming off a game where amari Cooper had 14 targets and this feels like this could be a similar type of back and forth type of game where Josh Allen's throwing a lot. So I think all the receivers are in play here with Kincaid back also. So, you know, we haven't seen this for a long time. You know, with everybody healthy, with a healthy Amari Cooper knowing the system, you know, this just hasn't been okay. Now you see what Buffalo has to offer rest of season. So I think Shakir is a number two wide receiver. I just wouldn't necessarily call him a mustard. And we had a conversation at the start of the show about maybe Jameson Williams over Shakir if you're looking for most upside. So Shakir is on the cusp of that. He's a must start wide receiver in three receiver leagues and in ppr. You can definitely make the argument that he should be a must start wide receiver. But you said it. 12 points. That's not must start.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Dave]

All right. Chicago's at Minnesota. Dave, is this a bounce back game for the Bears? Passing game. 23 pass attempts in a horrible game last week at San Francisco, but the Vikings see the most pass attempts in the NFL.

[Jamie]

Yeah, if you want to say that it's a volume play for Caleb Williams, you can, but I thought, I thought he took a step back two games ago and last week was horrible for Caleb. And I heard what Jacob Gibbs had to say on beyond the box Score about these Bears wide receivers and he basically called them all like risky flex plays. And I tend to agree the line isn't as good. Caleb is still jumpy. The play calling is weird. The timing is off between Caleb and some of his receivers. I know it's Minnesota and I know they've given up a lot of points to wide receivers, but they are going to get in Caleb Williams face and I just, I have a hard time trusting these guys. DJ Moore is no better than a flex. Keenan Allen is a low end flex Odunze. You're starting them. Adam. I don't feel good starting him. No, he wasn't on either of his touchdowns last week.

[Dave]

This.

[Jamie]

This is a. This I want to start the Vikings dst. I think they're going to get a ton of sacks. I think they're going to get a ton of turnovers and I think the Bears offense is going to make people feel a little upset.

[Dave]

Yeah, I know my option right now would be Cedric Tillman or Roma Dunes A or if I'm lucky. Taj Spears would be an easy one, but. No, actually, because. Because I would start Roma doing over Tank Dell. I'm not, like, my team's really not that good, but. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah. That's why you're gonna lose to Jamie.

[Dave]

Yeah, I think I am. Okay, next. Next one here is Green Bay at Seattle. Jamie, excluding the running backs in this game, which we're expecting it to be, Charbonnet and Jacobs, which two players are you most confident in as starters?

[Adam]

In Green bay at Seattle, JSN's an easy one. And then. Is there a second guy? No, there's not.

[Dave]

Okay, who would be next if you had to pick one? Metcalf. Love, Gino.

[Adam]

It would be. It would be Mick. It would be Metcalf. Kraft makes me a little nervous with Romeo Dobbs coming back. I mean, you know, his numbers have been amazing in the two and a half games since, you know, Dobbs suffered the concussion, and they were good without it. So it's a toss up between Kraft and Metcalf because Metcalf has been so underwhelming for the last, you know, month. And we said it. Adam, full practices. Well, what happened on Thursday? He went from full on Wednesday to limited on Thursday with the shoulder again. So I don't know if he's 100%. And that's really the biggest concern, you know, is he playing at his best? And you said it. He's missed some play, missed some throw. Geno's missed some throws. That's a part of it, though. It's not just all on Metcalf. It's on the quarterback, you know, who hasn't exactly been. Been great. So I'm going to say no. There are not two players that I'm most confident in. It's jsn, it's Josh Jacobs. It's Zach Charbonnet, if there is no Ken Walker, and then the rest of the guys are question marks.

[Dave]

All right, next up, New England is at Arizona. Dave, who's a better flex, Marvin Harrison Jr. Or Ramandre Stevenson?

[Jamie]

I'll take Harrison. I think that game script probably won't hurt him as much as it might hurt Ramon Dre. If the Cardinals build a lead and they can build it with Harrison. We've seen Harrison get some good target volume, really, over the last few weeks. Hopefully, he can convert it into some. Some good production and a touchdown. That's really been the key for him when he scores.

[Dave]

Fancy production is easy to get when he scores. Yeah. All right, Dallas is at Carolina. Give me some Players. Jamie, that you would start Adam Thielen over some running backs or wide receivers.

[Adam]

DK Metcalf. Trying to think where I have him now. Darnell Mooney.

[Dave]

How about Rico Dowdle?

[Adam]

No.

[Dave]

How about CD Lamb?

[Jamie]

No, no, not Lamb. I might start feeling over Dowdle.

[Adam]

I'd start feeling over Stevenson. I'd start him over. Naji. I'd start him over. Marvin Harrison. I'd start him over. Neighbors.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Adam]

I start him over Bears guys. DJ Moore over Thielen. But the other guys, yes. Look, he's been fantastic the last two weeks, and it's a very good matchup.

[Dave]

All right, Washington is at New Orleans. Dave, Brian Robinson Jr. Jamie, start of the week. Or Alvin Camara.

[Jamie]

Non PPR. It's easy for me. It's Robinson in full PPR. I think it's close just because Camara can rack up those catches, but I'm going to give the nod to Robinson. I've seen the track record of running backs against the Saints defense. It's really, really good. I think it's like 10 running backs have had at least 12 touches against new Orleans this year, and all of them have had at least 16 PPR points. So I'm going to go ahead and assume that Brian Robinson can find 12 touches and come through for 16 PPR points. No Austin Eckler, that's obviously going to help him. And he, you know, coming off of a buy, too, like he's going to be rested, hopefully won't lose too much work to Jeremy McNichols. And Robinson shapes up to be Dino. Jamie's got him top 10. I think that that's kind of risky. I've got him 16th. I think he's a really good number two running back this week.

[Dave]

All right, I'm making the change right now. Going, goodbye, Camara. Hello, Brian Robinson Jr. Okay, who are you sitting?

[Adam]

I mean, who else are you starting?

[Dave]

Juwan Jennings, obviously. Garrett Wilson is my flex. Jameer Gibbs is my other running back.

[Jamie]

Oh, I'm good with it.

[Dave]

Camara vs Garrett Wilson is going to be a tough one for me.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I take Wilson.

[Dave]

All right. Yeah. I mean, I'll talk one of the stats in the three games that one of the spooky stats. Spooky stat, scary stat. Alvin Kamara had 30 carries in three games without Derek Carr. 30 carries. That's bad because they got killed in all of them. They lost by 18 or more. I think Hayner is going to be better than Rattler was, but we'll talk about that later. Baltimore at the Giants all right, who's the best flex in a tricky game here? Tyrone, Tracy Jr. Zay flowers or Malik? Neighbors, who's the best flex? PBR, let's do half and then full half.

[Adam]

I would go. Tracy full. I would go. Neighbors.

[Jamie]

I will go. Neighbors in full. I will go. Flowers in half and none.

[Dave]

You guys ready to break down some games? Here we go.

[Jamie]

Break it down.

[Adam]

I like to break the Rams 49ers game.

[Dave]

Break it down. Buffalo. Detroit. Break it down. All right, here's your skin.

[Jamie]

That's not what I was referring to.

[Dave]

What were you referring to?

[Jamie]

If you know, you know.

[Dave]

Okay, Buffalo at Detroit. Here's your scary stat of the game on Friday the 13th. Detroit has allowed only four carries longer than 10 yards in their last five games. Running backs are averaging 2.9 yards per carry against Detroit in their last five games. We're hoping a Lee McNeil can play, but this is an easy one. We're gonna sit DeAndre Swift, right?

[Adam]

Oh, what.

[Dave]

Wait, I mean, what team is. Sorry. He also has a terrible matchup, and that's our next game. But for this game, this is a tough one. Are we going to sit James Cook? I apologize. I got caught up.

[Adam]

So here's an interesting thing with James Cook, and I don't think most people have the luxury to sit him, you know, so if you have a loaded backfield, then, yes, you should do it. What did he do against the Chiefs?

[Dave]

Not good. Right?

[Adam]

They scored twice.

[Dave]

Oh, that's right. Yeah.

[Adam]

You know, he's still on a great offense, and I know the Lions run defense is great. What did Josh Jacobs do against them last week?

[Dave]

Yeah, terrible per carry, but he scored three times. Right, but.

[Adam]

And, and this is the type of thing you're looking at. Their run defense is Great. You mentioned McNeil coming back will certainly help. They're still so beat up. They're. They're now still on their third linebacker with.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

You know, the injuries, Danzalone and Malcolm Rodriguez, you know, so I don't think, you know, you use the sample size. I was. I was listening. I was really curious about what sample size can you use. The. The nine game sample size, obviously, is. Is great. The more recent sample size is probably not as great, especially when you factor in what Jacobs did from a fantasy point perspective.

[Dave]

No, it is, it is. I said five games, giving up 2.9 yards per carry. Just. They happen to give up three touchdowns to Jacobs last week. But they're. Make no mistake, this run defense is ridiculous. And Jamie, I think that James Cook is going to be one of those guys that people look at the matchup, they look at what he did last week, and they say, oh, I started Cooper Cup. Should I get James Cook out of my lineup and play? Gosh, I don't even know who it would be, but, like, they probably don't think I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get. Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam]

I don't.

[Dave]

I hope not. They wouldn't go that far.

[Adam]

I'm gonna guess people. This is where people come down to it. And you're 100, right? It's not an easy matchup. I'm not making the case as easy match by any stretch, but I think it's just a matter of what your rest, what the rest of your team looks like. So we got a question here. James Cook or Tony Pollard? For me, that's easy. Tony Parker, you know, so when you. When you're talking and if it was Taij Spears replacing Tony Pollard, I would say Ty J. Spears over James Cook. Also, when you're looking at your. Your roster and you have a James Cook, who you drafted, who's been awesome, he got me to this point, or Rico Dowdle, who do I really want to trust? Rico Dow. That's easy. You're going Rico Dowdle over him. Brian Robinson Jr. You're going.

[Dave]

Okay, wait, you're definitely going Dowdle over Cook.

[Adam]

Easily. Okay, Easily. So you agree when. When I look at my rankings, how I did it, I don't know where Dave has these guys ranked. Like there. There's like three or four guys that don't have a lot of work in the past game that you're counting them to score touchdowns, and hopefully they can have some success running the ball. The two guys that come to mind for me are Jonathan Taylor and James Cook, and so they're in similar type of spots. I like the matchup better for Taylor, so I have Taylor ranked ahead of Cook. But you need Cook to do something a little bit different than he's been doing recently, which is not catching the ball. And so if that happens in this game, then he should have the chance to make some plays out in space. If they're just going to give him 10 carries, you got to hope he scores. And we know that's difficult with Josh Allen because when they get down there, that's typically Allen's, you know, territory. So Rashad White over James Cook this week is easy. I'm trying to think anybody else that. That may have been on your. On your bench.

[Jamie]

Jonathan Taylor.

[Dave]

That's what I said.

[Adam]

Jimmy Taylor is Better than James Cook this week.

[Dave]

All right, well, I just want to point out one thing for Cook, like, it's not necessarily Josh Allen territory near the goal line. They have, I think, the same amount of carries inside the five. And James Cook has scored a ton of touchdowns this season, and he's got 11 rushing touchdowns. And he. He's had an up and down year. He has not had two straight bad games. He has not had two straight games with fewer than 15.5 PPR fantasy points at any point this season.

[Adam]

He's obviously, that's why he's not an outright sit.

[Dave]

Absolutely, absolutely. But you guys have him around 18th, 20th, so. Okay. I think everyone's on the same page with James Cook. He's not an automatic start. He's definitely not an automatic sit. Josh Allen is an automatic start. Khalil Shakir is the highest ranked. He's like, you know, around 24th or so in the rankings. And he's getting more targets lately. Now Coleman's been injured, Cooper's playing half the snaps. But his target share, Khalil Shakir's target share since week eight is 27%. And we expect a ton of points in this game. So that's a really good sign. If you could keep that up, that'd be great. Let me ask you about Amari Cooper because we've talked about Jameson Williams, Dave, as a high upside guy.

[Jamie]

Sure.

[Dave]

Boy, if they could say, all right, Amari Cooper's healthy now. Let's go throw him out there for 75% of the snaps. He was 53% last week and he had 14 targets. Do you think Cooper is a high upside play?

[Jamie]

You can play the music anytime you want. By the way, part of the problem with Amari Cooper is that was not that music, silly. You know what music I meant?

[Dave]

I do.

[Jamie]

Okay. Part of the reason why he had so many targets was because Buffalo was down like double digits and in the second half last week. So Josh Allen's trying to dig them out of a hole. He's going to his perimeter receivers. He's trying to have somebody who can make a play, especially against man coverage. That's Amari Cooper. It's something that we didn't necessarily expect to see because we haven't really seen that.

[Dave]

And it's the game of the week. Yes. The Bills and the Lions. It's a Super Bowl 59 preview and it's the game of the week. Hey, you know, sometimes or week 15.

[Jamie]

You have to go with the chalk before week 14. And I'm glad you Did Amari Cooper was on the field for a grand total of 18 plays when the Bills were losing. That's by any deficit, 1 point, 10 points, whatever. They, they're not behind very often and so if you think that they're going to be behind against Detroit, which is the game.

[Dave]

No, sorry. Sorry I had to surprise you at Subway.

[Jamie]

Am I that boring? I mean, come on. I, I think that Cooper is not a great start this week. I would be nervous using him. I think you're chasing points if you go after what he did last week. It might be different if Keon Coleman was out and if Dalton Kincaid was out. If they were out, then I might be more interested in cooperating.

[Dave]

Okay. Cooper, did you. I'm sorry if you said this. I was planning the music. Cooper or Jameson Williams?

[Jamie]

Jameson.

[Adam]

All right.

[Dave]

I can't see anybody starting. Coleman and Kincaid has a terrible matchup. The Lions have allow the fewest fantasy points to tight ends. They're very good in this category even though Kraft scored last week at 41 yards and a touchdown. So low end starter, we'll call Dalton Kincaid start Hunter Henry over him. For example, Jared Goff. All right, so here's your non scary stat of the game and it's good and bad. So there have been four games this year where the Lions have given up more than 20 fantasy points. Jared Goff has scored 31.2, 22.8, 11.8 and 28 fantasy points. That's two great games, one good game and one terrible game. The terrible game was the five interception game at Houston. But usually when they give up points, he scores a lot of points, including last week. However, in those games, only 18, 25, 30, 41 pass attempts. It's not a guarantee he's going to throw a lot. But Jamie, how confident are you in Jared Goff this week?

[Adam]

I mean, Vegas expects this to be a high scoring game. You saw what this Bill's defense looked like last week. They are at home. Golf has gotten six straight games of 20 plus points at home. And we know that's typically where he plays at his best. So everything sets up for this to be a great game for Jared Goff. It's just a matter of do they want to play bully ball and run on you and limit the past attempts and he's just, you know, relying on touchdowns. So there's, there's really no reason to say sit Jared Goff by any stretch. It's just a matter of like you have one of these rare examples of Jalen Hurts versus Jared Goff. Or if you have Kyler Murray versus Jared Goff or, you know, I don't think James or Richardson qualify as, you know, some of the streaming options. But yeah, Tour. Derek Goff is a great, you know, I'm starting tua. I, I think they're somewhat similar in terms of they're not going to run. You're hoping for, you know, the, the touchdowns to be there because the volumes should certainly be there for tua. But the, you know, the matchup and, and everything sort of suggests that golf should have an opportunity to play well here too because they're in the building and Vegas is saying huge game coming. So this is also an MVP show off, you know, a showdown, you know, for, for two guys that are, you know, well within the race. So you wonder how much that matters to Dan Campbell to, and Ben Johnson to allow Jared Goff to, you know, show that he deserves this award if he comes out and wins this game and wins it because of a big statistical game. So, I mean, we're splitting here. So you're starting Jared Goff if you haven't.

[Dave]

Okay. Yeah. I do think he's one of those guys that people have golf and someone else because he wasn't. Not like Josh Allen where he was drafted so high. But I like, I see Jared Goff or Bo Nicks. That's an easy one. We're going Jared Goff. I'll look for more questions here from the chat. All right, let's go to the wide receivers. You are starting Amon Ross, St. Brown. You guys have them in your top eight. Heath has him 15th. Three straight games with six to seven targets, no touchdowns and 12.3 or fewer fantasy points. It's, it's ugly, but you got to feel like he's, he's due. And then Jameson Williams is, I guess, kind of a flex. I mean, it's, it's encouraging stuff. He has a 20% target share right around there in five straight games. He's not just a downfield guy anymore, but he has zero end zone targets since week three and two red zone targets since week three. So it's hard. He has to score on a big play, it seems.

[Jamie]

I would argue he's developed a safe floor. He has at least five catches in three straight games. Four catches in four straight games. One of those games was a dud. Five catches for 28 yards. But the other ones, 11 plus PPR points. Like, I think that he's a pretty reliable flex at this point. And you know that he's got the upside to finish as a top 20 wide receiver.

[Dave]

Jameson Williams or Keenan Allen?

[Jamie]

I have Williams higher.

[Adam]

I would take Allen and PPR Jameson.

[Dave]

Williams or Marvin Harrison Jr. Jameson I have Marvin.

[Adam]

Marvin.

[Dave]

Sam Laporta or Dalton Kincaid laporta.

[Jamie]

I have Kincaid one spot higher. I do not know if I'm going to stick with that.

[Dave]

And the Bills are fifth best against tight ends but unlike the Lions, they haven't faced the toughest competition. They just were great against Kelsey and Kittle Kittle within the snow but all right, sit the DSTs. Let's go to Chicago at Minnesota. Here is your oh, I already gave the stere stat of the game. Oh, sorry I was loud. Oh scary Friday the 13th stat of the game. DeAndre Swift against tough run defenses, tough matchups. He has been horrendous single digit PPR fantasy points in four of five games against teams with good run defenses. Okay, now I can say it right? We can sit DeAndre Swift I would.

[Jamie]

Hope that you yes, sit DeAndre Swift.

[Dave]

Okay, non scary stat of the game. Number one, the Vikings have the highest interception rate on defense but Caleb Williams has the third lowest interception rate in the NFL and non scary stat of the game. Number two, DJ Moore has averaged four of his hot of his five highest yards per out run games or he's had four of his five highest yards per route run games since the change in offensive coordinator. He's been very efficient since that happened. All right, I did want to talk more about the Bears passing game because I don't know, I am maybe I'm just looking at what happened a couple of weeks ago in this matchup. This is completely different than the San Francisco game. And Dave, I would disagree with you about the offensive line. They have the seventh lowest pressure rate over the last four weeks. They've gotten healthy. The Bears, they haven't been bad there.

[Jamie]

And he was sacked seven times last week, Adam.

[Dave]

Yeah, but you know, a lot of that's on him. Scrambling and whatnot and extending.

[Adam]

And I think that's what Dave was alluding to and I agree is that he, he feels like he took a little bit of step back.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And I also think that part of this is, you know, Brian Flores has now seen him once and they're going to throw some different blitz packages at him that he may not be ready for. I to me this feels like a game where the receivers will get their numbers, but I don't think we're going to see a great game from Caleb Williams. And I think we'll get some, you know, this, this Is this is where you get a one touchdown game from one of the three guys and we may seek finally, Caleb, turn the ball over. Just that hasn't happened, you know. So the interceptions have been something he's limited, which is good for him. It's also bad for the receivers because that means he's not taking some chances in certain spots. So I think with the lack of a run game, the fact that Minnesota does see a lot of pass attempts, this is going to be where you see probably eight plus targets for all three guys. One of them has a great game, one of them has a social game and one of them disappoints. And that's kind of been the trend since Thomas Brown has taken over. You know, we've seen one great game on some occasions, two great games. And that happened the last time these teams met. Keanu had a great game. Dj Moore had a great game. Romo Dunes a, not so much. But that's, I think just a byproduct of a lot of volume and I think that'll still be there for him. So I don't love Caleb Williams. I do think Dj Moore is the safest of the bunch. I think Keenan Allen's a decent number three receiver just based on the amount of volume that he's had since the takeover, since the change of coordinator. And Odunza, you don't want to chase the two touchdowns from last week, but I do think that they're starting to scheme some things up for him and so hopefully we get some quality production if you are stuck starting.

[Jamie]

There's also one other problem and that's been slow starts for the spares offense. Here's some trivia for you. How many touchdowns does Caleb Williams have through the air in his last four games? In the fir. In the first half of the last four games, he was shut out last week.

[Adam]

He shut out on Thanksgiving. I don't remember the first Minnesota game if he scored early. I'm going to guess probably not based on your.

[Jamie]

You are. You are rolling on this track.

[Dave]

All right, zero then.

[Adam]

And then he did not work us down in the.

[Dave]

You're.

[Jamie]

You're starting him, hoping that he comes through for, you know, in the second half.

[Dave]

Can I clarify something? I. I do not want to start Caleb Williams. It is, it is all about the receivers. Exactly what Jamie was saying. I. I am not making the case. I mean, you could take a dart throw on Caleb Williams, but he scored.

[Adam]

30 fantasy points against him. It's not a dart throw. It's.

[Dave]

Well, I think he had the best game of any quarterback against Minnesota.

[Adam]

And listen, as miserable as he was last week, he still got you 18 points. Now, you know, so like, we can sit here and say, okay, he's risky. Yes. And granted there's no teams on a buy, but if you get 18 points out of him with the chance of 30, because that's where he's been living in three games with a coach coordinator, change all these things. Like, he's not awful. I just think there's a little bit more risk involved because now you're seeing a team for the second time. This is still a rookie quarterback. I 100% agree with what Dave said. It felt like he took a little bit of a step back last week. This is three straight games on the road for them. You know, that's not easy at all, especially for a young quarterback. So it just feels like it's a bad setup for him. I do think, though, the receivers are still in play because the volume is going to be.

[Dave]

Yeah, okay, sorry. So that's exactly the point I was trying to make. It's about the receivers. And D.J. moore is right around 24th in the rankings. So you guys have him pretty similar to Aal Shakir. And then it's Keenan Allen and then it's Roma Dunes for you guys. We're going to sit Cole Comet. Just correct me if I'm wrong here. We're going to start Sam Darnold. We talked about. We like Jared golf a lot. Would you start golf or Darnold?

[Jamie]

Darnold, Sam.

[Dave]

All right, you guys have him fifth, or at least he did a few days ago. I haven't.

[Jamie]

I got him six.

[Dave]

Six. Okay.

[Jamie]

I say it sadly, only six.

[Dave]

Aaron Jones, easy start this week. What are we thinking for Jones?

[Adam]

As long as he's healthy?

[Jamie]

Yeah, he's been healthy. He's running with an injury report yesterday. He's. He's got a great matchup. I've got him on the border of a low end, number one fantasy running back.

[Dave]

And he was great against them three weeks ago. 19.9-PPR fantasy. Those are the Bears, historically, 22 carries. And that's the thing. Everyone gets so many carries against the Bears. So he's Aaron Jones or James Cook Jones. All right, how about Jordan Addison? Is he better than all of the Bears wide receivers?

[Jamie]

Yes, I agree.

[Dave]

Okay, so he's basically a must start is what we're saying. I mean, he.

[Adam]

He lit them up the last time he's been on fire two of his last three games over 30 PPR points. Like the targets have been there for him consistently for the better part of the last month. You know, he had the down game against Arizona, but I think that's more about Arizona's defense than necessarily him. And so the only concern would be is you brought this up. I think it was on Sunday or maybe Tuesday about what he said in regards to knowing he's benefiting from all the attention that Justin Jefferson is getting. I think he's brought that up on one of you. I'm sorry that, you know, does. Does some attention maybe shift more to him. I think that's crazy to leave Justin Jefferson alone. But it's just, you know, you got to buy into what we've seen. You got to buy into what Donald has done. You got to buy into Kevin O'Connell like this is now. It's just, it's just so funny. Like if you were to say Sam Darnold has been doing this, you would think Justin Jefferson's blowing away the field as the number one wide receiver. And he's had a great season. Don't get me wrong. Last week was great to see him finally score touchdowns. But Addison coming along the last couple of games, like they have such a tough decision in the off season the Vikings do about what to do with Sam Darnold to keep him or let him walk.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

You know, and it also should make you really encouraged about what JJ McCarthy could be if he's the guy in next season, you know, so like you'd love it to be. And. And by no means am I making the. The player comp. I'm just making the situation comp. What happened to the Chiefs? You know, that Alex Smith was a very good quarterback. They let him walk out the door and then they had their guy in waiting in homes. You know, McCarthy can be. If McCarthy could be Sam Darnold, imagine saying that. But if McCarthy could be Sam Darnold. Vikings are in a pretty good spot for the future.

[Jamie]

Wow. Jamie just called JJ McCarthy the next.

[Adam]

Patrick Mahomes and the next Sam Darnold all at the same time.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Dave]

Next up, let's. So Addison's a must start. And then what about TJ Hawkinson? We talked about Kincaid and laporta as low end starters. Are they both ahead of TJ Hawkinson?

[Adam]

Laporta?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

Kincaid. No. I. If Kincaid was playing all this time, like, I'd say yes. Just because they're probably in a similar spot, tough matchups. And can you trust them? I mean, I don't know how much Kincaid's going to Be even what he was, which was not a great fantasy asset, you know. So I would take Hawkinson and hope that he has a game where he's heavily involved.

[Jamie]

It's eight or fewer PPR points for Hawkinson in three of his last four games. There does seem to be a little bit of an attempt and I noticed this last week against Atlanta for the Vikings to try and get Hawk in the end zone and that let him score. He hasn't scored yet this year. But that's like the only, that's the only real reason to consider starting him is that, oh yeah, the Vikings can do whatever they want in this game. Maybe Hawkinson gets his touchdown. I've got him outside of my top 12.

[Dave]

And the Minnesota DST been struggling lately. They are top six. Six for Jamie, third for Dave, fifth for Heath. I hate, I hate DSTs this whole year. I don't like them. Green Bay is at Seattle.

[Jamie]

I need a Raven out of your fantasy leagues next year.

[Dave]

The Ravens I'm very excited about. I have them in a few leagues this week.

[Jamie]

No. Commissioner Azer, are you going to take DSTs out of your leagues next year?

[Dave]

No, I don't think so.

[Adam]

It's just there's like week six.

[Dave]

There's not a single, not a single DST that I think is matchup proof this year. Not a single one.

[Jamie]

No, that's true.

[Dave]

Green Bay at Seattle. And speaking of improving defenses here, the Seattle Seahawks in their little four and one stretch over their last five games, they're either fifth or sixth in points per game, yards per game, yards per play allowed. They've been really good and it's not like they faced, you know, nothing teams. They faced Arizona, San Francisco. Yeah. Rams, Niners, Arizona, Jets, Arizona. So they're doing really well. But with that said, they're healthy. Here is your scary stat of the game. Okay, I'm going to scare you Friday the 13th. I'm going to scare you off of JSN. Such an obvious must start. Well, he has 16 targets in his last three games. Metcalf has 20 and he's been very efficient. But his target shares, his target Shares have been 25%, 13.8%, 17.2%. Geno Smith has 30 to 31 pass attempts in all three games. That's not a profile of a must start player. Anybody scared about JSN now?

[Adam]

I think if he was getting more targets, we'd be talking about him as a top 10 receiver based on just his production and the role that he has and how he's Performing. I think he's just a good number two receiver, you know. So when you start to put him up against, let's say CD Lamb, for example, who's getting targets but not scoring touchdowns consistently, or Drake London who's now gone through this 3, 4 game touchdown less streak, you know, like that's kind of where JSN is living. So if you, if you believe in volume and expecting those guys to break out of their slumps, you're starting them over. Jsn, if you're looking at JSN is just okay, he's just been awesome in this stretch, like keep me in your line, you know. So he's just a really good number two wide receiver. If he ever gets to a point where he's getting consistently eight plus targets, my gosh, he could be an absolute monster.

[Dave]

And I'm hopeful that Green Bay will will score some points and make Geno Smith throw a little bit more. But you guys do not have Jordan Love as a starter. The bottom line is this team has morphed into a run team. They are one of the most run heavy offenses and Jordan loves just not throwing that much. Josh Jacobs is obviously a must start. So the Green Bay wide receivers. Who's your favorite one? Dave?

[Jamie]

I believe I still have Reed ranked the highest, but all of them are outside of my top 36.

[Dave]

Is that because Dobbs is back and you're expecting fewer snaps from.

[Jamie]

No, that's with Dobbs out and if Dobbs plays, I don't see how any one of them can crack the top 36. It's because of what you just said. They're becoming much more of a running team. And also when, when everybody's healthy and even when they're not all healthy, the targets are spread around or sometimes you just don't get a lot of targets. Exhibit A, Jaden Reed last week. I have trust issues with all of these wide receivers. However, if I am down big and desperate, Christian Watson is one of those wide receivers that's got sky high upside. He can get 12 PPR points in one play, I would consider him over a less appealing wide receiver that doesn't have crazy high volume of someone like DK Metcalf. If I was desperate to get somebody who, who is. In case I'm desperate, I'm down big, I need to make a play. That's the type of move I would make.

[Dave]

No one's down big. That's the good thing. You might be. You might low score. No, but no one's down big.

[Jamie]

If you've started, you know, Stafford and.

[Adam]

Cooper cup and I told you, I started one league. I have one league where I start Purdy and two Rams receivers. I'm down big.

[Jamie]

Yeah, right. But at least she got something out of Puka. But there are some people that didn't even get that. And so if you, if you, you look at the projections and you see you're, you're a 30 favorite to win or whatever, that's when I would consider making the pivot to Watson.

[Dave]

Okay, starters at Tucker Kraft.

[Adam]

Very similar to Laporta, slightly ahead of Hawkinson and, and Kincaid, you know, he's, he's touchdown dependent. I think whenever you have Romeo Dobbs back and look last week's game, you got lucky. Three catches, 41 yards and a touchdown against Detroit. You know, so he's, he's gonna see probably a slight dip in targets for this question here. I would go with Laporto over Kraft and Kraft over Hawkinson.

[Jamie]

Okay, so he has one game with six plus targets in his last four.

[Adam]

And that was without Dobbs.

[Dave]

All right, so sit Geno Smith and Zach Charbonnet is a no doubt about it start if Walker's out. Jamie, what's your take on this backfield? If Walker's in, it's gonna be messy.

[Adam]

You know, just because I think we'll see a less than 100. Less than 100 walker and does Charbonnet get more work at least for this week until they make sure Walker's right? Like, the best case scenario is Walker sits and you don't have to worry about the headache, you know, so you know who, you know you can replace Walker ahead of time and, you know, you can get a superstar performance potentially for Zach Charbonnet. So that's the best case scenario at this point. You know, you don't want to see Zach, Ken Walker play this week. Like, I have Walker in a few leagues where I don't have Charbonne. I don't want to deal with that headache of walker not being 100.

[Dave]

Yeah, I have Walker and Ramondre Stevenson and it would be. When it's usually not a tough call, it would be a tough call. If Walker is going to play. We'll have to see what the reports say. I doubt he's right now. I don't think he's going to play. But I actually didn't ask this. I totally skipped over the Lions running backs. As of right now, would you start Zach Charbonnet over either or both of the Lions running backs?

[Jamie]

Yep, I would.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Adam]

I start sharpening Over Jacobs.

[Dave]

I mean, he's usually not this. He's usually not as good as he was last week, obviously, but three games this year without Ken Walker, he has scored 17.9, 25.7 and 38.3 fantasy points in full PPR. It's. It's unbelievable. All right, Seattle wide receivers. No. Unlock it. Yes. On jsn, JSN or Jordan Addison.

[Adam]

Jason.

[Jamie]

Agreed.

[Dave]

And DK Metcalf is a number three wide receiver for you guys.

[Jamie]

Low end.

[Dave]

Yeah. Okay. I don't really have much else to say. Packers allow the ninth fewest fantasy points to wide receivers, so they haven't even been that good of a matchup.

[Adam]

And Alexander hasn't been playing consistently. He's practicing full this week. Jair Alexander.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And that's going to hurt Metcalf even more.

[Dave]

Evan Williams is. I think he's been missing practice this week, though. But jailer Alexander has missed most of the games and only. Okay. In their last eight games, Green Bay has allowed more than 65 yards to only two wide receivers. That's pretty impressive.

[Jamie]

They've been good. I think it's four touchdowns to wide receivers in their past five games. And good.

[Adam]

Two of those were Tim Patrick.

[Jamie]

Seriously. And then like one of those, Tim Patrick plays easily the type of play that DK Metcalf could score. And actually both of them, Metcalf is good enough to. To win in short yardage. But I just. I'm. I'm nervous about Metcalf overall. I'm worried about Gino and I. I'm starting to kind of get the feeling that this could be more of a defensive game.

[Adam]

Yep.

[Jamie]

Offensive game.

[Dave]

Yeah. I hope.

[Jamie]

I don't know what the total is for this one. And I'm glad you didn't pick this for game of the week.

[Dave]

I thought about it this game.

[Jamie]

I wonder if this game lets us down like the Thursday night one. Maybe not to that extent.

[Dave]

It's a 46 point total. It's pretty high. Yeah.

[Jamie]

I think the under is going to come in okay.

[Dave]

I could see it. Defenses are playing well, especially Seattle's, but there's a lot of firepower on this field. Jordan Love is interesting. If he just. If you could just tell me. He's going to throw 30 times. He's a start, but it just does not happen anymore. He's still playing pretty well. All right, we're going to take a break. New England at Arizona when we come back on Fantasy football today.

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[Dave]

Scary stat of the game for New England and Arizona Hunter Henry. Fans beware. That was too quick. We gotta Arizona has held Dalton Kincaid, Sam Laporta, Zach Ertz, Tucker Kraft, Johnny Smith and TJ Hawkinson to six or fewer PPR fantasy points. They did give up big games, big games to George Kittle and Will Disley. But for the most Part Arizona has been very good against tight ends. Anybody afraid of Hunter Henry this week? Hunter like Jason Voorhees.

[Adam]

If you. If you look at it, there's only been. I think it's three, but it might be two in the two that you referenced. Of tight ends that have had six plus targets against the Cardinals.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

And so they don't see a lot of volume from that position. So that's the one thing that benefits Henry is he's most likely going to get volume. Is that A plus targets in three of his last four games and pretty consistently around eight targets with Drake May starting. So based on his role in the offense and how much they will lean on him, I think Hunter Henry still has a shot to be a top 10 tight end. Now you have to worry about the random Hunter Austin Hooper touchdown.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Which has, you know, hurt us a little bit over the last, you know, three or four games. But I think just based on his role in the offense and understanding what he should be able to do, I'm going to still start him as a top eight tight end. So I like Zach Ertz better, you know, in terms of guys that are, you know, potentially available or potentially available, but behind like the slam dunk must start guys. I think Hunter Henry's still in that conversation.

[Jamie]

Hunter Henry is basically their number one wide receiver. He's averaging 7.6 targets per game in his past five. That's all with Drake May.

[Dave]

Drake May is also an interesting flyer here because he runs so much in his starts. He's averaging 41.6 rushing yards per game in his eight starts. He left one of those games early so he could have kind of a crummy game and end up with 20 or more points. And I was wondering, why did these guys like Kyler Murray so much? Well, here's our non scary stat of the game. He's only had one matchup all year against a team that currently ranks bottom 10 in fantasy points allowed to opposing quarterbacks. So Kyler's actually had a pretty tough schedule. I didn't realize that he scored 34.5 fantasy points in that game. It was against the Rams. The Patriots are just awful against quarterbacks. So you guys do like Kyler. I think you said you like.

[Adam]

Look at the last three guys against them. Stafford Tua and Anthony Richardson. And they all went nuts.

[Dave]

Yeah. And Kyler. So you guys like him better than golf.

[Jamie]

I don't.

[Adam]

A four point. Yes in six points now. But they're so close.

[Dave]

All right. And so for the Patriots, it's Henry, we're not going to start a wide receiver. We're not going to start May. But what about Ramon Dre? Somebody said in the chat, see if I can find it something like, oh, here it is, Jamie. You have Ramon Dre Stevenson one spot behind Marvin Harrison, but everybody else has at least 10 spots between those two. Why so close between Ramon Dre and Marvin?

[Adam]

I mean, you look at first off, what happened to this Cardinals run defense last week, you know, in. And Stevenson's coming back from a game with fresh legs. I don't think he's a slam dunk start by any stretch, but he is a top 24 running back. And what has Marvin Harrison done to say he's like, oh my gosh, he's that great. He's had very up and down performances this season. So to me, they're very similar type of players. You know, you're hoping for one of them to find the end zone. I think this is a game where Stevenson will hopefully get 15 to 20 total touches. I don't think necessarily this is a game where the Cardinals run away from the Patriots early. I think they'll pull away late. So I think Stevens has an opportunity in the beginning part of the game to be somewhat trustworthy. And look, if he scores, you're going to be happy about it.

[Jamie]

I don't think he can come anywhere close to what Charbonnet did last, though. I mean, Charbonnet had seven catches, had almost 200 total yards and 22 carries. Like, it's, it's got to be.

[Adam]

That's a great day for, for Stevenson.

[Jamie]

I agree. But it's got to be that specific game script for Ramondre Stevenson. And if it's not anywhere close to that specific game script where the Patriots are playing in a close game or have a lead, then he's terrible. Like, he doesn't even play. And if we, if we're thinking Arizona is going to just, you know, run the ball well and Kyler's gonna have a great game, then what are the odds that Ramondre can come through? I think he's more of a touchdown or bus type of fantasy running back. Low end, number two rusher. For me this week, I'm starting doubt all over him. I'm starting Rashad White. If there's Irving over him, I would have started Garendo over him. I proved a mistake. James Cook starting James Cook over him. I haven't decided yet on the jets running backs versus Ramondre. If there's one guy that I think can continue if Isaiah Davis. If I think he can continue to pick up those high value touches, I will start him over. Ramadre as well.

[Adam]

All right, I'm not there but he's. He's right in that. Right behind Cook and Taylor. Right in the same, you know, canoe with Naji Harris and Sincere McCormick and the Jetsey. Huh.

[Dave]

Tyrone Tracy and Tracy.

[Adam]

Yep.

[Dave]

I was. If anybody didn't see what I was I was rowing, canoeing, paddling. Questions from the chat. Kyrie Irving or Kyrie Irving. Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray or James Winston Kyler.

[Jamie]

I believe I have James higher than Kyler.

[Dave]

Kyler Murray or Tua Tonga by Loa.

[Adam]

Tua in six points. Kyler and four.

[Dave]

I'll take two either way and let's see what else we got in this game. James Connor is a start. Marvin Harrison I we haven't mentioned Christian Gonzalez and I'm glad Heath is here because he would scoff at me for mentioning Christian Gonzalez. But I think Christian Gonzalez is very good and I do think he's going to follow Harrison a lot and make things difficult on him.

[Adam]

Right.

[Dave]

We'll see.

[Jamie]

Are you sure that he's not going to follow Trey McBride a lot?

[Dave]

I'm pretty confident that it will be Harrison but no, I'm not sure. And start Trey McBride. I guess I'll do Harrison's always someone we get a lot of questions about. So I'll do some more Harrison ones. Marvin Harrison or A.J. brown and Devonte Smith.

[Adam]

Brown. Harrison. Smith.

[Jamie]

That's how I have it. Marvin Harris Harrison much closer to Smith.

[Dave]

Darnell Mooney or Marvin Harrison?

[Adam]

Mooney same.

[Dave]

So definitely London over him. How about Jacoby Myers or Harrison Jacobi. How about sincere McCormick or Marvin Harrison in half PPR ew.

[Jamie]

I'll take Marvin.

[Adam]

I'll take McCormick if Aiden O'Connell plays.

[Dave]

All right, let's go to oh Arizona's DST is top eight. You can start them. Top four for Dave and Jamie Dallas is at Carolina.

[Adam]

Oh and if you have a buy pick up the Cardinals defense now if you haven't done so already.

[Dave]

Giant who they have next week. Not the Giants, the Panthers. Panthers. Panthers are getting pretty.

[Adam]

It's still like this could be a good two game stretch for the Cardinals dsd.

[Jamie]

I might pick them up if I can't get my hands on the Falcons.

[Dave]

Who have the Giants.

[Jamie]

Yes, yes.

[Dave]

Scary stat of the game about CD Lamb. Oh, in their last five games, Mike Evans, who had a huge game against Carolina is the only wide receiver with more than 50 yards against the Panthers. Hit that up Again, this includes the Saints with a backup quarterback and Olave getting injured, but Also Malik neighbors, DeAndre Hopkins, A.J. brown and Devonte Smith. Did I scare anybody off of CD Lamb?

[Adam]

No. Good. Because you're talking about teams that didn't throw the ball a lot in those matchups.

[Dave]

Yes, actually Cooper Rush in his last four games now, he was absolutely horrible. I'm throwing out that Philadelphia game. It was so bad. In his last four games he has the third most pass attempts in the NFL, the ninth most passing yards. He throws very short all the time. They get very few chunk plays, but a ton of targets for CD Lamb. So Lamb is a start for you guys? I think I maybe asked you this earlier, but Dowdle or Lamb, who's better?

[Adam]

Lamb and ppr Dowdle everywhere else.

[Jamie]

I have Lamb higher in ppr.

[Dave]

All right. I'm excited for that. I think we're all probably excited for Daddle. Yeah, we see the trends. He's getting a lot of carries, they're playing competitive games and he's got another good matchup. I doubt there's going to be any interest in Brandon Cooks. What about Jake Ferguson? Anybody like Jake Ferguson? Ferguson this week against the team that gives up the most fantasy points to tight ends.

[Adam]

It's a very similar situation with Hunter Henry, with. I like Ferguson a little bit better than Laporta and the other guys. We talked about Kraft and those guys. He hasn't scored a touchdown yet this season. So take that into account if you're talking non ppr. But the matchup is like you said, it's so good and so hopefully he does take advantage of it and we see the best of Jake Ferguson. I wish they would have used him a little bit more earlier in the game last week. I don't know how much of that was, you know, shake the rust off from the two game layoff with the concussion. He finished with six targets. Hopefully that will be the floor. This is a great breakout game coming for Jake Ferguson if they lean on him and I think they will.

[Jamie]

Top 10 fantasy PPR tight end.

[Dave]

Now, someone in our chat, Doug, said that J.C. horn is out. That is actually not true. He is limited.

[Jamie]

No, he's out on the field crushing it.

[Dave]

That's a big deal. But it's not really going to change her.

[Jamie]

You're just wait, is he out for real?

[Dave]

No, he's limited in practice. It's not true. It was wrong. All right. On the other side of the ball.

[Jamie]

He has been playing well though.

[Dave]

Yeah. Chuba Hubbard. Why is it that, I mean this might be a waste of time, but I'll ask anyway. Dave, give me 15 seconds on this. Why is it that Chuba Hubbard is clearly better than Rico Dowdle? They're both starts, but everyone's got Hubbard ahead.

[Jamie]

Might have more work. Certainly has the better body of work compared to Rico. The matchup is good against Dallas on top of that demarvion over shown being out. I think that hurts the Cowboys. We know that Hubbard can contribute in the passing game and who's going to take him off the field? You know, there are moments and there aren't a lot of moments, but there are moments when Rico leaves and it's Hunter Lepke and Ezekiel Elliot. Speaking of Friday the 13th. Like they're playing and Dowdle isn't. But every. All the other running backs are hurting. Carolina and Chuba's been playing awesome this year. I had a hard time keeping them out of my top 12.

[Dave]

Jameer Gibbs or Chuba Hubbard?

[Jamie]

It's Gibbs Hubbard for me. I've got Hubbard over Montgomery.

[Dave]

You know, Montgomery has been catching more passes than Gibbs. It's.

[Adam]

I play Montgomery over Gibbs, too.

[Dave]

Yeah, I don't have that decision to.

[Jamie]

Make, but I had that last week. I don't have it this week.

[Dave]

Okay. Adam Thielen, he is a top 24 ish right 26 wide receiver. Heath's a little bit lower on Thielen, but it's just with what he did against Philadelphia, it's funny, I was thinking about like these guys who just run short area routes a lot and play out of the slot and. Well, okay, yeah, sorry, sorry. You can correct me, but these kind of guys, they almost feel like a little matchup proof because they're not going to get shut down by a cornerback or anything like that.

[Jamie]

But no, and I'm not going to correct you on that. That's true. But of his 11 targets last week, six of them were on passes of 12 plus air yards. So Thielen isn't just, you know, run four yards, turn around, get the target, try and make a play after the catch. He's used downfield a little bit. And his, his route running and like the way that he uses leverage against defensive backs, it buys him a step still. So he's not fast. Don't, don't make any mistake about that. But he can still get open, he can still make plays. And I, I think he's going to continue to see a large volume of targets from Bryce Young, who, for what it's worth, not playing great football. But he's better. And because he's better, that helps Thielen kick down the door of getting north of 15 PPR points. I think he's a borderline number two fantasy whiteout.

[Dave]

All right, I'm gonna read some feeling questions and we'll move on. Feeling or Waddle Non ppr.

[Adam]

Man, they got one touchdown each I think in the last three weeks.

[Jamie]

Yeah. To me, feeling is the slam dunk in full ppr. I, I have Thielen one spot ahead of Waddle and non ppr.

[Adam]

To me they're very similar in both formats. I think you just the one's the clear cut number one guy there. Waddle can clearly disappear.

[Dave]

Feel inner Jameson Williams.

[Adam]

Feeling same the Elena Khalil, Shakir Shakira. But they're again similar.

[Dave]

Yeah, they're the same guy. Okay. Washington's at New Orleans. I already gave the scary stat of the game. Camara only 30 carries in three games without Derek Carr. All of them were losses by 18 or more points. Also think Kendrick Miller gave them a little spark last week and could factor in. What are you thinking about Camara, Jamie?

[Adam]

I'm nervous. You know, I, I started the week with him ranked 18th. I moved him up to around 14th. Just concerned, you know, so non PPR. He is very scary because just no touchdowns like you said, you know, so the catches don't matter. So he's a low end, number two running back and non ppr. He's a mid tier running back in PPR because while he has been great in the stretch, as you alluded to, he's been in that like 12 to 15 point range. So the couple games where he was at 12, like, that's really disappointing. And this Washington defense is rested coming off a bye week. They are, you know, somewhat competent against the run. They haven't been slammed dunk against the run. But it's also the quarterback situation that's the scariest thing about this. And you wonder if first off, how much is his illness going to be a problem? You know, we've seen these, you know, situations creep up here and there with some guys not 100. They have nothing to play for at this point. He signed his contract extension. He's done everything that this team could have asked for from him this year. 29 years old, he's certainly done everything fantasy managers could have asked for. When you called him the, the biggest sleeper of the year, you know, so he's, he's come through in, in a big way. I just wonder like if not 100 want to see a little Bit more of Kendrick Miller. Don't want to risk him getting hurt with a backup quarterback there. Like I, I'm a little concerned, you know. So like we were doing an all concern team, he'd be on the all concern team.

[Jamie]

He had the five star lock matchup of the week last week.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And did not come through anywhere close to expectations against the Giants. Now it's the Commanders who have allowed 11 or fewer PPR points to running backs in four of their past five games. Only Saquon on a short week was able to crunch up on the Commanders. I am nervous. He is a number two fantasy running back and not even like top half even in full ppr. And if he's going to keep losing like valuable touches to Kendra Miller then it's. I'm, I'm kind of looking for the exit door here. I'm starting to doubt all over him.

[Dave]

But again, again this is the good thing with Camara. First of all, it's not a certainty that he's going to lose these high value touches to Miller. They were both in on the play was first and goal at the eight yard line. Miller scored a touchdown but in the last seven games he has not scored. He's on pace for 1,839 total yards and 87 catches. He is number 17 per game and half PPR. Number 13 per game in full PPR without a touchdown in his last seven games. That is a hell of a floor. However the another, another factor here that just goes against him. I don't know that even you should care but Dan Quinn his one of his specialties on defense. They are always great. The Cowboys and now the Commanders against pass catching running backs. They give up the fourth fewest receiving yards. Pass catching running backs. He had a good receiving game against the Chiefs and they're even better. But, but, but that's just another thing working against Alvin Camara and so, and so he's a tough call in this game. The Commanders guys are really not tough calls. You guys have Jaden Daniels as a top four quarterback. Brian Robinson you guys like plenty. Terry McLaren is a must start guy. He's top 12 for everybody. Actually 20th for Heath in full PPR but top 12 for you guys. And Zach Ertz is top nine for everybody. So it's really just Camara I think is the only tough call in this game. I've seen some questions about Juwan Johnson but we're really getting away from him if we can. Right?

[Adam]

I think you should just until you see one game with the quarterback situation, if you can afford it. Clearly it's playoff time. So, you know, like, if. If the choice was Dalton Schultz or Juwan Johnson, I'm going Dalton Schultz based on his matchup. If the choice is Juwan Johnson or Cole Comet, I'm going Juwan Johnson. You know, just because commit's been such a disappearing act. So, look, somebody's gonna have to catch passes here. Hopefully it's going to be Juwan Johnson.

[Dave]

Hopefully, it's gonna be Camara. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Johnson or Kincaid is a question we have here.

[Adam]

I mean, Kincaid's obviously somewhat safer because of his quarterback, but again, shake the rust off game. This is a coin toss to me, you know, so I probably lean toward offense and go with Kincaid.

[Jamie]

Right. I'm going to lean toward offense, quarterback, and probably the game that'll be more high scoring.

[Dave]

I asked for some Camara questions in the chat. I think we got a couple of easy ones. Camara or Swift Camaro?

[Jamie]

Camara.

[Dave]

Camara or McCormick?

[Adam]

Camaro.

[Jamie]

A to the K. Yeah.

[Dave]

Camara or DK Metcalf?

[Adam]

Camara.

[Dave]

Alvin Camara or Rico Dowdle or Brian Thomas Jr. Half PPR.

[Adam]

Half is tough. Half is definitely tough. I would go with Dowdle and half. And this is.

[Jamie]

I would. I might take. I'm definitely taking both Dowdle and Thomas over Kamara.

[Dave]

Yeah, I might do that.

[Jamie]

Full PPR too, man.

[Dave]

Sorry. Camara or Jacoby Myers, Kobe.

[Adam]

I'll still go Camara there if it's. If it's Ritter.

[Dave]

All right. Baltimore's at the Giants. Our last game. Oh, yeah. I don't like this one.

[Jamie]

How come you say oh every time?

[Dave]

Scary stuff. Scary stat of the game. Are you ready? I'm gonna scare you off. Lamar Jackson, no quarterback, has scored more than 25 points against the Giants all season. Four straight have scored 18 or fewer. Yeah, that we. Isn't that weird? They just lost a starting safety for this season, but Tyler Rubin's done.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Yeah. Start.

[Adam]

Yeah. Lamar Jackson. That's a good call.

[Dave]

All right, here's scarier stat. So I looked at the Ravens wins by 10 or more points because what do we say, they're 16 point favorites on the road. Something like that. Jackson's been great in all three of these games. They have three wins by 10 or more points. Derek Henry's been 25 or more fantasy points in all three of them. It's Flowers and Andrews who have really struggled. Flowers has two, one and six targets in those three games. Andrews has one, four and two targets. Each of them has one huge game. And two absolutely dreadful games.

[Jamie]

And you.

[Dave]

You know where it is, right? It's just a pass attempts thing. How much are they going to have to throw? So we're starting Jackson. We're starting Henry. What about Flowers and Andrews, Dave?

[Jamie]

I'm starting Andrews. He's just absolutely locked in as a red zone target for Lamar Jackson. I think they'll get into the red zone against the Giants. Zay Flowers is the one who makes me nervous because if Lamar doesn't have to throw that much, I'm worried about just what type of target volume there will be for Zay Flowers. I know that when they're in the red zone and inside the 10 safe, flowers isn't the same type of priority. And so he's. He's in that flex conversation for me. Not. Not a top 24 wide receiver.

[Dave]

Mark Andrews or Sam LaPorta?

[Adam]

Mark Andrews.

[Dave]

Zach Ertz or Mark Andrews.

[Jamie]

Hurts Andrews.

[Dave]

All right. Flowers or Addison Jordan? Flowers or Jameson Williams?

[Adam]

Jamo Flowers.

[Dave]

Flowers or neighbors? Oh, you answered that one earlier, but we'll do it again.

[Adam]

Neighbors.

[Jamie]

I have neighbors. Higher.

[Dave]

All right, so let's go over to the Giant side of the ball. I really don't want to start Tyrone Tracy.

[Jamie]

No kidding.

[Dave]

Even though DeVito does throw to running backs a lot, in the one game he played with Tommy DeVito, he had. What was that? That was Tampa Bay. He had nine carries and four catches, but only nine fantasy points. And they got blown out. They were down like 31. Nothing or something in that game. So that was a bad example, but it could very well happen again. And then neighbors. Yeah, I'm okay with neighbors. You guys have them around 2730, something like that.

[Adam]

Let's do some. Let's do some over unders. And I'm making these numbers up. So this isn't anything in a sports book.

[Jamie]

The Jamie Eisenberg sports book.

[Adam]

Four and a half sacks. Mgm. Four and a half sacks for the Ravens over.

[Dave]

Oh, Heath said that DeVito takes a ton of sacks. So, yeah, I'll go over.

[Adam]

Okay. One and a half interceptions for DeVito.

[Dave]

Under.

[Jamie]

Under.

[Dave]

He doesn't throw interceptions.

[Adam]

Two and a half fumbles for them to get sacked. Too much.

[Dave]

Two and a half fumbles. I'll take the under. That's so many fumbles.

[Adam]

Like in the game, in the team.

[Dave]

Yeah, under.

[Jamie]

Tracy will have a fumble. Davido. Yeah, I'll take the under. If it was one and a half, I might take the over.

[Adam]

Let's go one and a half. You go over.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I might take the over there. What a friendly sportsbook. I'll just change the line.

[Dave]

Take the under. I'll take the under.

[Adam]

Nine and a half total points for the Giants Under.

[Dave]

Oh, I'll say they get ridiculous to go under there, but yeah, give me like some neighbors. Props.

[Adam]

Let's go. Four and a half catches.

[Dave]

Over.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but not.

[Dave]

But under. Four and a half yards.

[Adam]

55 and a half yards.

[Jamie]

I was going to suggest 60.

[Dave]

Perfect number. I'll take the.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that's a good number.

[Dave]

I'll take the slightly over.

[Jamie]

I will too.

[Adam]

And half. Touchdown.

[Dave]

Oh, on the way under.

[Adam]

That's.

[Jamie]

He won't even get a quarter of a touchdown.

[Dave]

400 for that. Wait a minute.

[Jamie]

He did get a third of a touchdown last week.

[Dave]

Oh, he had a two pointer. That's right. With Jerry. Judy or Neighbors? That's easy. That's Neighbors. Neighbors or downs?

[Adam]

What?

[Dave]

I mean, sorry. That's Judy. Judy. Judy. Judy. Neighbors or Downs?

[Adam]

Downs.

[Jamie]

I'll take downs.

[Dave]

Am I a good neighbor? Yes, I am a good neighbor. I think I am anyway. Devonte Smith or Malik? Neighbors.

[Adam]

Neighbors and ppr.

[Jamie]

He's one spot ahead of Smith for me.

[Dave]

Neighbors is Neighbors or Sincere McCormick. Half PPR.

[Adam]

I'll take Sincere.

[Jamie]

I'll take neighbors.

[Dave]

And then someone actually asked tracy or sincere McCormick in full PPR.

[Adam]

It's neighbors.

[Dave]

Start feeling over. Neighbors. Okay, Neighbors or Naji Harris? Last question for today.

[Adam]

Naji.

[Jamie]

Naji.

[Dave]

That is it for fantasy football today. Good luck everybody. Except for Jamie in the Fantasy Football Today league. And the other one.

[Adam]

Congratulations.

[Jamie]

Stop. All right, CBS Sports Network Friday, 1:00pm Eastern. Watch us talk about week 15 all over again.

[Dave]

Yes. Gamer. Eric, you should pick up the Falcons. They face the Giants next week. For Dave and Jamie and Claire, I'm Adam. Have a great day. We'll talk to you later. Mailbag at 11:15am Eastern. FYI, if you're watching live, we'll see you then. Bye.

[Adam]

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[Dave]

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[Dave]

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