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Jamie
Can you believe.
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Greg
No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races and he stays on his feet. This is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. So full.
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Jamie
That's how you start the show.
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Greg
I ate so much. Oh, is it. Is that not how a lot of people are feeling today? Right?
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Jamie
I mean, maybe. I don't know. You want to vomit on a microphone, though.
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Greg
It was more of a. Of a deep exhale than anything. Good morning, everybody. Welcome to fantasy football Today, presented by BetMG. Make It Legendary, Friday, November 28th. Happy Friday. Happy post Thanksgiving. Get out there and vote, vote, vote, vote the64.com vote for us. We need to win. Let's do it. Jamie, good Thanksgiving.
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Jamie
It was great Thanksgiving. How about you?
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Greg
Yeah, it was really nice. It was. It was delicious. Best thing you ate?
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Jamie
Oh, boy. Best thing I ate was you're not gonna like it, but my wife's pumpkin pie. Okay.
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Greg
Brown butter cookies for me. Now the turkey is just gonna go with the chalk. The turkey was great. I'm not really a turkey guy.
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Jamie
He was great. What's that? No, turkey was great too.
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Greg
Oh, good, good, good, good. What's a worse feeling? I think this is a stupid question, but I ask a lot of them, so let's just start it right here. What's a worse feeling starting a player who has a bad game or sitting a player who has a huge game?
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Jamie
Sitting a player has a huge game.
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Greg
Oh, okay. I was gonna think that you're gonna say, obviously it's starting a player as back. Oh, God, JMO gets.
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Jamie
Because, I mean, we start. We start great. Like Lamar Jackson, which I know we'll talk about. Should have had a great game.
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Greg
Yeah.
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Jamie
And you're not benching Lamar Jackson for the most part.
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Greg
What's his points if he. If he gets those two touchdowns, probably in the about 20. He wouldn't even had a great game.
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Jamie
No, he would have had a good game.
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Greg
Good game.
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Jamie
And the 50 yard drop and the 50.
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Greg
Okay.
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Jamie
Yeah.
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Greg
You start talking. They were probably talking close to 24ish, something like that.
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Jamie
Like it was such a weird game for him. And listen, he did not play well, obviously, but loses the. The fumble with Isaiah, likely the questionable offensive pass interference call which clearly hurt two players there. And I think in the case of. To answer your question, like, I know I was an idiot for saying to sit Jordan love in hindsight like that. I'm watching that unfold and like I have him in a couple leagues and just. Why didn't I start?
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Greg
Yeah, no, that was a real surprise. All right, so we'll get into the games. Got some injuries from Thursday and then we're going to preview six games today and they are.
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Jamie
I think just one of the questions just popped up in the chat. I think the toughest dilemma and we'll know obviously the answer by, by Saturday, certainly by the end of the day is the Cardinals wide receivers.
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Greg
Oh yeah, big time. I think I'm still going to roll with Michael Wilson in my three receiver league. Even if Marvin Harrison Jr plays.
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Jamie
I don't disagree with that, but I think there's going to be some tough calls.
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Greg
Oh for sure, for sure. I mean it's not like I'm starting, I'm starting over Ricky Pearsall and Darius, you know. So six games today. Arizona at Tampa Bay, Denver at Washington, Minnesota at Seattle, Rams at Panthers. A lot to say about that game. New Orleans at Miami, Atlanta at the Jets. All right, best thing you ate, we covered. Worst feeling we covered. But I'm going to do a Twitter poll. Start starting someone who stinks or sitting someone who's great. So let's get to the other stuff. The stuff from Thursday, injuries and snap counts. I'm on Ross St. Brown hurt his ankle. Dan Campbell was saying it's not going to be long, long term, maybe one to two weeks if we're lucky. But he's going to miss sometime. Aman Ross St. Brown so what happened when he left? Well, Tom Kennedy had a better game. Well, Tesla got a touch. Tom Kennedy played 65% of snaps. Isaac Tesla played 92% of the snaps. Kansas City had some rough news yesterday. Not only losing, but left tackle Josh Simmons dislocated and broke his wrist and right tackle Juwan Taylor hurt his elbow. Safety Brian Cook left with an ankle injury. I mean with without two tackles and laying Houston next week, I don't know if we're going to trust Patrick Mahomes. Baltimore cornerback Nate Wiggins left with a foot injury. Dallas lost two defensive backs, Malik Hooker and Duron Bland to injuries. They're at Detroit next week. So that's a Thursday game. Next week, Dallas and Detroit, right?
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Jamie
I could check.
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Greg
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're playing on Thursday. Green Bay, this is a big one here. Defensive tackle Devonte Wyatt looks like he's going to be out for the foreseeable future, if not the season with an ankle injury. The Quay Walker missed yesterday's game. Now Devonte Wyatt has a broken ankle. I shouldn't say broken. An ankle injury. Some snap share stuff. Chase Brown played only 60% of the snaps. This is a new reality now. With Samaj P. Ryan back, it's a split. Luckily we had a big role in the passing game for Chase Brown. Dontavian Wicks, he had a big game. He only played 49 of the snaps. They might get Jaden Reed back next week. Isaiah Pacheco 30%. Kareem Hunt 64% of the snaps. You have our answer Thursday.
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Jamie
Yeah.
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Greg
Yeah.
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Jamie
All right.
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Greg
All right, so I'm gonna, we're gonna go game by game here, but since we obviously have a lot of start sit to get to, we'll just do one, one takeaway for each team. Green Bay 31, Detroit 24. What's your packers takeaway?
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Jamie
Yeah, I mean, Detroit's a mess. The packers takeaway is that Jordan Love, when he is given the opportunities to throw and be aggressive, can be a good fantasy quarterback. And we need to see more of this.
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Greg
Yeah, Chicago next, then at Denver, then at Chicago. So I don't know that we're, we're gonna start him, but yeah, he's been, he's had a good year. I think he reminded us how, how good he can be. I think I'm getting a little more confident in Christian Watson. You probably are as well. He's 39% started, 76% roster. How about on the Detroit side?
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Jamie
I mean, obviously Jameson Williams becomes a potential superstar now because of St. Brown's absence. So, you know, he, he burned us once. And I think a lot of people are hesitant to go back to him this week. Understandably so. But without St. Brown there, like, this is the guy for the Lions. You're going to pick up Isaac Tesla, but like, they're decimated. You know, LaPorta done Saint Brown, at least the minimum week 13. You hope to get him back for the fantasy playoffs. But at this point, like, this is Jared Goy.
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Greg
Yeah, it's huge. JMO was started in 67% of league. Seven catches, 144 yards and a touchdown. And I, I just think Jameer Gibbs game log, last seven games, 7.5 points, 36.8, 5.8, 38.2, 19.6, 55.4. And then yesterday was, I don't even know, 11ish.
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Jamie
11 something.
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Greg
Yeah. Okay.
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Jamie
Detroit, I think in just, just in the case of David Montgomery, you got the touchdown, so you, you win.
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Greg
And that's kind of how I feel about Javante Williams, you know, Dallas 31, Kansas City 28. How about this? For the first time since Patrick Mahomes became the starter, the Chiefs lost a game in which Mahomes threw for four or more touchdowns and no interceptions. That's per espn. Takeaways let's start with the Cowboys. My takeaway, Jamie, is that I'm still not. I'm. I started Javante. Have a lot of Javante. He was started in 88% of leagues. I still don't feel great about it. But we did get a little lucky with the touchdown catch.
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Jamie
Yeah, crazy play, too, by. By Dakota, how he got him the touchdown. But I think just this is one of these guys. And next week's not going to be easy either against Detroit. This is one of these guys that he gets so many opportunities, you know, so you're talking about 15 plus touches weekly, sometimes 20 plus touches that you can't really say outright sit, because there's the potential of something positive happening. And yes, the passing down work has been somewhat miserable on how he runs his routes and things that go his way in terms of, you know, what he does after the catch. But this is, this is one of these teams. Like, there's such a great offense and he's still the starting running back. I picked up Malik Davis in a couple leagues this weekend or this, this week. Excuse me. I forget what day it is. I went to bed last night, I checked my fantasy basketball league and I was like, oh, I can't believe I lost. I thought it was Sunday. And you just. This is one of these teams you just want to be attached to. So I feel like not, not to go on a tangent, but like last year at this point, it was kind of when I was like, I really want to see the Bengals make the playoffs. I want to see the Cowboys make the playoffs. Like, they're just fun to watch.
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Greg
Yeah, they are.
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Jamie
And I, I think just in the case of Javonte Williams, he's just a number two running back that you just have to start and take your chances with.
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Greg
Dave giving me some snap counts here. Just. Javante played 78 of the snaps, 11 of 16 on third down. That's just a great, great role. He's had a tough schedule. You know, it's. It's a shame. And next week, like Jamie said, will be no different. All right, takeaway for the Chiefs here.
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Jamie
Man.
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Greg
How about the run game?
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Jamie
The run game?
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Greg
Yeah.
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Jamie
I mean, look, you knew it was going to be not the easiest thing for Kareem Hunt because this Dallas run defense is now good. They're not. They're not a pushover anymore, you know, so you kind of got lucky with Kareem Hunt with the, the, the. The long reception, the only reception, 22 yards, because 14 for 58 wasn't gonna get it done. But look, this was tough spot, you know, 30 year old running back coming on a short week after 30 carries and then facing this defense, like, especially when they got behind, like it wasn't going to be the easiest game. You need, you need Kareem Hunt to fall into the end zone. You know, that's just kind of the, the running back that he is at this point.
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Greg
Yeah. I just don't know. I mean, he played most of the snaps and Pacheco, I think I said 30% of the snaps. I wonder what the split looks like next week against Houston. But again, it's Houston. I, I just wonder, I mean, how many starts to Kelsey and. Okay, how many guys are you going to feel good starting next week against, against Houston?
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Jamie
I mean, you're, you're starting Rashi Rice. Yeah. No matter who they're playing, whether he's a number one or number two receiver for you, you're starting Travis Kelsey. Unless you just have a great tight end on your bench, you know. So we'll see what happens with Juwan Johnson. And I say say great. A good Titan, you know, Joanne Johnson or Dalton Schultz or maybe around the Gadsden, you know, these type of guys that you picked up along the way and you feel more comfortable with them. I get it. But you're probably still starting Kelsey and I'm gonna guess depending on what the. I, you know, not looking at the slate yet, but what happens and who else you have. Mahomes will probably still be in the top 15 quarterbacks.
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Greg
All right, and that's it for that game. Cincinnati 32, Baltimore 14. Baltimore only had the ball for 21 minutes and 14 seconds. Cincinnati for 38 minutes and 46 seconds. We alluded to it earlier, but if you missed it, Isaiah likely fumbled going into the end zone. That cost him and Lamar Jackson six points. Zay Flowers had an iffy offensive pass interference penalty that took away a long touchdown. I thought it was probably a good call. I think it really did help. But it was pretty iffy. And then Walker dropped a deep ball inside the five yard line. So it could have been a decent game for Lamar Jackson, but at the same time, he is not looking great. He's making some bad throws. He doesn't seem to be running as effectively right now. And another stat from espn. Three straight games without a touchdown pass. Longest streak of his career. First time he's gone four straight games with a completion rate under 60%. All right, this game maybe deserves more than the like two, three minutes here because it was a Lot of storylines coming out of it. What stands out to you in Cincinnati and Baltimore?
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Jamie
Well, I mean, for Cincinnati, clearly getting Joe Burrow back is. Is great to see. Not that Joe Flacco was doing horrible things. The last two weeks for him were bad. But you know what the offense looked like when he first took over. And now the avid Joe Burrow back is capable of the same thing. So I know I was a big Yoshivas guy. We got lucky that he scored a touchdown. It was only catch. I thought Mike Iseki would be a little bit more involved. He wasn't. But you. You alluded to this, you know, Samajp Ryan back. That was something we were concerned about and I think you have to be a little bit concerned, you know. So Chase Brown's ceiling is now a little bit lower. The fact that he was involved in the passing game still was good. So it's not going to be that stretch of just, I think, set it and forget it for, for Chase Brown, that, that said, he's kind of in a similar situation to Javonte Williams. He's the lead running back on a great offense. You're going to want to start him more times than not.
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Greg
He's.
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Jamie
And I'll go back to what I said about the Cowboys. I want to see the Bengals in the playoffs again.
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Greg
Oh, yeah.
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Jamie
You know, and if. If Buffalo wins, then they're two games out of the division, which is nuts. If.
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Greg
What if they win in Buffalo.
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Jamie
No, if Buffalo beats Pittsburgh this weekend.
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Greg
Oh, oh, oh.
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Jamie
They are two games back of the Steelers and the Ravens. We're still playing Baltimore one more time. So this, this is going to be fun. And you know, we saw them get hot last year at the end of the season. Different scenario this year. And let's give their defense credit. This is now two weeks in a row where they played much better. They held New England in check last week. Clearly what they did against Buffalo or Baltimore turned them over. I'm sure a lot of it is more about what Baltimore is doing than necessarily Cincinnati, but they are playing better. And now if they're playing with a lead, you know, we saw them blow a few leads, but if they play with the lead with Burrow, it may be a little bit different story. So I'm, I'm certainly encouraged by, you know, what Burrow looked like. There was a lot of questions. They could not score touchdowns early in the game. Yeah, I mean, the red zone official, what I think at one point they said he was one of nine from a clean pocket. I believe yeah, no, he. Look, I mean, obviously it's a good defense. The Ravens are tough, but they just couldn't get anything open. And no T. Higgins on top of that. But you have a number one quarterback again in Joe Burrow and you know, eventually T. Higgins will be back and we'll see what everything looks like.
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Greg
Yeah. And people are saying like chase Brown had seven catches. It's true. I think they ran 80 plays or something like that. So they ran a lot of plays. T. Higgins did not play, maybe that contributed. But P. Ryan was the third down back. P. Ryan also fumbled in the game. Then he came back in, but he did fumble. It was really good play defensively by Baltimore there. And amazing, like just, just amazing that another tight end had a big game. Imagine if Isaiah likely scores on that play, how bad this team is against tight ends. Zay Flowers had seven targets. He usually does well when he gets seven targets. This was a horrible game for him. Two catches, six yards long, touchdown callback, plus a fumble. Frustrating stuff. And yeah, I think, you know, hopefully Lamar Jackson gets kind of a mini buy here and gets healthy, but we'll see where he's ranked next week against Pittsburgh. Also, one good thing for Chase Brown is they do have Baltimore again. He just had a good game against Baltimore. It's pretty clear he's running well and the offensive line is doing good things. But he. Three of his next four games are Buffalo, Miami and Arizona. So great schedule for. For Chase Brown and folks, it is time for football at BetMGM. Register with BetMGM to get instant access to the best variety of parlay selection features. No sweat and boost tokens, live betting options and much more. New players can receive up to 1500 dollars back in bonus bets with the bonus code Fantasy if they don't win their first bet. You don't want to miss out on any of the hard hitting action at BetMGM. Place your money line, parlay bets and more today. BetMGM. Make it legendary. All right, let's take a break. News and notes. One question for each game. Six starts and sits previews. Could have said that better. We'll be right back.
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Jamie
You said sits, right?
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Greg
I did.
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Jamie
You would have said the other thing.
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Greg
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Jamie
I mean, it sounds like he played through it last week, so we'll find out, you know, just the extent of what he's going to look like this week. I do not want to start a lot of the Colts anyway at this point. And I'm curious, you know, we really haven't had an update on Anthony Richardson and where he's at. So if Jones has to sit, you know, what does this passing game look like? So really, the, the, the, the guys you're worried about based on their start percentage are Tyler Warren and Michael Pittman, because Alec Pierce is a borderline starter at best and Josh Downs has been dropped in a lot of leagues, understandably. So. So hopefully Daniel Jones continues to get those guys the ball. Pittman came through in a tough matchup last week, you know, with the touchdown. But yeah, I think you have to be a little bit concerned about what this could look like moving forward. All right.
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Greg
Running back Trey Benson and Amari D. Mercado missed practice. So Benson practiced Wednesday, missed practice Thursday. Zonova Knight was limited. We'll talk about that game later.
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Jamie
And just in, in the case of Benson, he has yet to get a full practice in.
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Greg
Yeah, yeah. And Alvin Camara missed practice again. Devin limited. Devin Neal was limited. We're expecting a Neil to go. Saquon Barkley is good to go. Omarion Hampton, we still don't know if he's going to play. Bucky Irving practice in full. Ken Walker still limited, should be fine. And Ashton Genti's good to go. Wide receiver Marvin Harrison Jr. Remained limited. Terry McCormick, McLaurin practice in full. We're going to preview those two games later. Devonte Smith is good to go. Drake London doubtful. Chris Olave has back spasms. He's day to day. He missed practice. He left practice Wednesday, missed practice Thursday. Chris Olave hopefully gets back on the field today and hopefully plays at Miami. Jalen Waddle, good to go. Ella Manor remains limited. Brian Thomas Jr. Practice in full. So we talked about this game on Wednesday night or Thursday's episode. Brian Thomas Jr. Probably going to play, I think you'd have to say at this point. Jamie. So your thoughts there with the Jacksonville passing game at Tennessee?
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Jamie
I think you got to treat them all as number three receivers, you know, so downgrade Jacoby Myers and Parker Washington and not necessarily want to trust in full. Brian Thomas Jr. And Brent Strange has to be dropped a little bit in the rankings as well. So great for Trevor Lawrence. I just Wonder what version of Brian Thomas we're going to get. You know, hopefully this is a good finish for him and we see what we saw last year, but it's a crowded receiving core now with the addition of Myers. I know it was Travis Hunter, but still, you know, this is what was a problem for him based on what we saw last year. You know that you brought this up in the preseason and it clearly was an issue. Everything he did last year for the most part was without Evan Ingram and Diamond. Right.
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Greg
And Kirk.
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Jamie
Oh, Chris Kirk. Sorry. Yeah. I'm trying to think who's the second guy there. So, yeah, so it's. I don't know how much you want to just, you know, run back to Brian Thomas at this point.
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Greg
Brian Thomas Jr. Has one game all year with more than 12 PPR fantasy points. That is unbelievable. And I am almost positive the Seahawks were missing three starters in their secondary that week and they. I remember watching the tape, they were so bad defensively. That is this only game with more than 12 PPR fantasy points.
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Jamie
Yowzers, he's. I know he's been hurt so you know how much you want to factor that in. But in terms of like non season ending injury, he's.
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Greg
Oh yeah.
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Jamie
Candidate for the biggest bus the year.
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Greg
Oh yeah, absolutely. And tight end news. Dalton Kincaid was limited so that was good. Maybe he can play Chigo Conquo Missed practice does make gunner helm maybe a little more interesting or you know, even makes. Even makes shimmery DK a little more interesting.
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Jamie
Yeah. Okonko has been missing practice the last several weeks, but then showing up on Friday.
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Greg
Okay, so.
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Jamie
Or limited and missing. I shouldn't say he's missed every practice, but something to keep an eye on there for sure.
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Greg
And Darren Waller limited Minnesota. Both of their offensive linemen, Darasaw and Jackson missed practice again. They're at Seattle. Good luck again. It looks like the Bills might be without both tackles. They're definitely going to be without their right tackle. Maybe Dawkins can get back and that's about it defensively. The Bears game today. They're getting those two defensive backs back today. But the linebackers are a total mess. Ernest Jones, Seattle's middle linebacker. He practiced in full. Probably leave it there. Oh, this is a big one here. Max Melton for the Cardinals, starting cornerback. He's missed some time this year. He left last week. He missed practice. They're at Tampa Bay. All right, couple things here Sunday. Join us 11am Eastern till 1pm Eastern. Answering your starter sit questions. We get to a bunch of them. YouTube.com fantasy football today. Go out and vote. Go to the 64.com and you will see the category. It's the best sports talk and radio podcast. We are on the top right bracket. This is really big heated battle here with another great podcast. Let's. Let's take it home. Support fantasy football today. We'd really appreciate. This is so easy and you got to do it today. Voting ends today. Maybe tomorrow. What's today? Today's the 28th. Yeah, I think it ends tomorrow. I think it ends today. So you gotta vote today. On Friday. If you don't just check out the website anyway, the64.com. Maybe it's open tomorrow. But please, fantasy football today. All you gotta do is give them your phone number. They send you a code to verify. It takes 10 seconds to vote. And the last thing is if you're in the FFT open, the playoffs start next week. All right. Top four teams make it. Number one seed gets a buy. Teams two through four, they, they set a lineup. Highest score moves on to week 15. Wait, this is week 13, right?
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Jamie
Yeah.
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Greg
Moves on to weeks 15, plays the number one seed. Whoever wins the division in week 15, there are going to be 24 division winners. They compete in week 16 and then a number of them move on to week 17 and then we get a winner.
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Jamie
Do you think it's. And I know how I would answer this, but because we're starting the playoffs with teams still on a buy.
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Greg
Yeah.
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Jamie
Would it be better and, and you're not. You shouldn't change this. But would it have been. Would it have been better to play in week 18 as opposed to starting the playoffs in week 14?
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Greg
I don't think so. Something to talk about for next year because last year this wasn't really a big deal. There was. The teams that were on a buy were garbage. This year it's, it's different. It stinks, you know, but that's why if you're the number one seed and you, you just win the regular season in your division, you get that buy in week 14 and you don't have to deal with that if you're two through four seed. Well, you know, like they're thankful that you're even have a chance. But maybe we can figure out a solution. It does stink to have a buy in, in week 14. But there's. I don't think playing in week 18 is a good idea. I think week 18 is garbage.
- [27:26]
Jamie
No, I'm, I'm with you. I would have done it the same way, but like, we're getting more and more teams. Not necessarily. Not as many. You'd have more teams on a buy in week 14 than I think you're gonna have teams sitting, resting guys in week 18.
- [27:40]
Greg
How many we have in a buy for.
- [27:43]
Jamie
Yeah, San Francisco, New England Giants, Giants and what?
- [27:48]
Greg
There's gotta be four. There's never gonna be three. Yeah, I would challenge that. I think there will be more than four teams resting players. Probably a lot more than four teams resting players in week 18. And maybe not a lot, but more, you know, at least for part of the game. Right. That's the frustrating one, is like, oh, they're gonna play half the game. All right, let's go to one question for each game, and we start with Arizona at Tampa Bay. Mecca Buka has struggled in four of his last five games. Can we trust a Mecca Abuka?
- [28:20]
Jamie
I think you just have to treat him as a number two receiver. Because it's not just a Mecca Abuka struggles. It's the quarterback situation, you know, so Baker Mayfield playing at less than 100% or Teddy Bridgewater. And you hope if it's Bridgewater, we get the Jacoby Brissette type of performance or the Jameis Winston type of performance of just hopefully having some success as a veteran guy and, and, you know, building up his. His receivers. I mean, certainly happened in Arizona. So I think you just downgrade him to a number two guy. Like, I know for me, I was ranking him pretty consistently as a top 10 guy, and now he's right around like wide receiver. 15, 16.
- [28:53]
Greg
So that's with Bridgewater.
- [28:56]
Jamie
That's with. Yeah. TBD at quarterback.
- [28:59]
Greg
Well, it's got to change, right? If it's Bridgewater or Baker.
- [29:01]
Jamie
I don't think so. Because you have, you have a less than healthy. You have a less than 100 Baker Mayfield and you have a backup quarterback.
- [29:09]
Greg
So it would change for me. I mean, I'd be. It's hard to sit a Buka, but gosh, I, I did not think Teddy Bridgewater looked very good last week. That's why I mentioned the Max Melton injury for Arizona. They've been pretty good against wide receivers, you know, at times more like not the must start guys. All right. Anyway, Denver at Washington, start them all. Citimal.
- [29:33]
Jamie
I don't know if you could say Denver is a start them all, but there, There are more starts for Denver than there are for Washington. Yes.
- [29:39]
Greg
Not Ingram. I wouldn't say that. Here's one Sutton or a Buca.
- [29:44]
Jamie
I'm still a Buca But I can understand if you want to go sudden.
- [29:47]
Greg
Yeah.
- [29:47]
Jamie
All right.
- [29:48]
Greg
Minnesota's at Seattle. Justin Jefferson or Ken Walker? Ken Walker, Jefferson or Sutton? Abuka.
- [29:57]
Jamie
I think I have it. Abuka, Jefferson, Sutton.
- [30:00]
Greg
Rams at Panthers.
- [30:01]
Jamie
We have a wild card with Brosmer. Is it Brosnomer? Bruisemer. We have a wild card here. You know, so he may be the. You know, Thomas, in our chat on Wednesday or Thursday, put in that he's Nick Mullins, you know, like, he's that type of quarterback. And if he's just more competent than JJ McCarthy, like, Justin Jefferson may go off if he gets his nine targets.
- [30:24]
Greg
He's only thrown eight pass attempts, and I watched them all.
- [30:29]
Jamie
And.
- [30:31]
Greg
If you have an a.under7, you know, air yards per pass attempt under7, that's. You're getting low. If it's under6, it's, whoa, super low on eight pass attempts. Max Brosmer's adot. His air yards for past attempt is 0.1 yards. So that means. And I. It was a lot of checkdowns, running backs, tight ends, guys out of the backfield. I never make too much of eight pass attempts, but I thought that was amazing. Like, he just wasn't going through his progression, just getting the ball out quickly. What you'd expect from a guy with no experience.
- [31:08]
Jamie
Well, and, and. And let's be fair here. He's going into a very difficult place to play without his offensive.
- [31:13]
Greg
The line. Yeah, it's tough. All right, Rams are at the Panthers starter.
- [31:17]
Jamie
Sit.
- [31:18]
Greg
Tedro McMillan.
- [31:20]
Jamie
Start. Number two receiver.
- [31:22]
Greg
Jefferson or McMillan?
- [31:24]
Jamie
Jefferson.
- [31:25]
Greg
I got a tough question from. From my nephew. Devonte Smith or McMillan?
- [31:30]
Jamie
Devonte Smith. Okay.
- [31:32]
Greg
I said McMillan, but I didn't feel great about it. Rams. Sorry. Saints are at Miami. Why not start Devin Neal?
- [31:42]
Jamie
Because the Saints running back has not been great the majority of the season, and the Dolphins run defense has been better of late.
- [31:49]
Greg
All right, Atlanta is at the jets starter said Breeze hall.
- [31:55]
Jamie
Start.
- [31:57]
Greg
Yeah, I feel like this. This week. Running back's pretty interesting this week because you've got guys that you're kind of hoping, like Travion, RJ Harvey. They could have big weeks. They also haven't been great as rushers, but, you know, you got. Yeah, like, a lot of RB2s that make us a little nervous because running back is what it is. But Breece Hall, I feel like. Is someone gonna have a hard time sitting.
- [32:16]
Jamie
Yep. Right.
- [32:18]
Greg
Okay. All right, let's go. Let's get to it. Arizona's at Tampa Bay. So how do you see this playing out? Offensively for Arizona.
- [32:27]
Jamie
All right, so we'll go through. The quarterback's easy. I think you just treat Jacoby Brissette as a top 10 quarterback. He's been 20 or more point 20 points or more in every start for Kyler Murray and now may get Marvin Harrison Jr. Back. So that could only be a great situation for him. So regardless, Marvin, no Marvin, you're starting him. In the case of the backfield, if Benson plays, I think you treat him as a low end, number two running back, high end flex. If Benson is out and it's Donovan Knight, Michael Carter again, I think you treat Knight as a high end flex. If Knight is out and D. Mercado's out and Michael Carter is the guy, and this is the guy you should probably go pick up now at this point, if Michael Carter is the guy, then you treat him as a low end, number two running back, you know, so there's plenty of potential here. This Tampa Bay run defense has been very up and down throughout the course of the season. I don't think Michael Carter is great, clearly, but anytime you're talking about 15 plus touches, it's hard to ignore that. Yeah. So just keep an eye on the injury report there for the backfield. In the case of the receivers, this is where it gets tricky because if Marvin Harrison comes back, he was clearly the alpha. Michael Wilson and Greg Dorch, because you can't leave him out. But both guys, their best games were sub 10 PPR points for the season. 9.1 and 9.9. 9.1 for Wilson was his best game in the first 10 games. Whatever. It was nine games for Deutsche, it was 9.9 both with one touchdown each. Now most of that obviously was with Kyler, but it's hard to say that they're safe. That being said, we've seen Jacoby Brissette 44 pass attempts or more in four of six starts. So he is throwing the ball a ton. Yeah. And you would anticipate that against Tampa Bay, which has been bad against wide receivers. So I think if you're just looking at it, okay, there have been two guys in the two starts without Marvin Harrison that have been great. Fifteen targets for Deutsch. Obviously what Michael Wilson has done, I can't imagine that both guys just disappear and it's just Marvin Harrison and Trey McBride. So you said earlier you're probably going to still start Michael Wilson three receiver leagues. I highly recommend that. But don't be surprised if he goes from 33 targets. I think it was in in the two starts 31 targets in the, in the two starts to maybe just a guy and not a, not a mustard guy. So there's a lot at play here with what's happening with the Cardinals. And to me, again, I think it's probably the toughest decision in and situation to monitor at this point, more so than even a lot of the injuries.
- [34:59]
Greg
Okay, so I want to, I want to talk about the pass volume here because this is something that I'm starting to learn, that it's not as predictable as we'd like. And I think about the 49ers and the Chargers. At one point this season, the 49ers and the Chargers were the most pass heavy teams in the NFL. They were throwing 40 times a game and it looked great for their receivers, for everybody from fantasy, but that stuff fades. So Jacoby Brissette, in his six starts, he is on pace for 5,357 yards, 31 touchdowns, nine interceptions. He's, he's averaging 7.2 yards per attempt. Kyler Murray was averaging six yards per attempt. So it's been an amazing upgrade for them in that regard. But 7.2 yards per attempt is about average. His touchdown rate is 21st since he became the starter, but he's averaging 43 1/2 pass attempts. Why are they throwing so much? Well, they can't run the ball. They are one in five, I believe in those games. Yeah, they're one in five. In the one game that they won, that Dallas game, he threw 31 passes. I so to me, I think that the Bridgewater Baker thing matters to me. You maybe not to you as much, but I think Baker gives obviously the bucks a much better chance to score points. And Arizona, if they're not giving up a ton of points, if they might actually win this game, if Bridgewater goes out and has a bad game, then you might not get 43 pass attempts. You might get 35 or something like that. And that's a big deal. When we're, now we're starting to talk about we need all these targets for these guys here. So that's just something that's been on my mind eventually. Like they're not going to keep throwing 43 and a half. Think of it like Joe Flacco, like Joe Flacco was throwing a ton and then all of a sudden he just hasn't been Game scripts go differently and whatnot. So anyway, that's just kind of where I'm coming out. I'm like a little nervous about it, but I'm just, there's not much.
- [36:54]
Jamie
You can. I know it was an overtime game, but they were winning the Jacksonville game and he was still throwing the ball. Ton.
- [37:00]
Greg
Yeah, I know. I think the other part is that they have no run game.
- [37:04]
Jamie
The two previous games they got blown out, but last week to me was they can't run the ball. And their best chance to win is Jacoby Brissette.
- [37:11]
Greg
Yeah, they can't run the ball. I mean, that's the big deal. So if Benson. If Benson plays, maybe they can run the ball a little bit better here. But. All right, you're gonna need a lot of past attempts. You've been getting it. It's not the. It's not the best thing to bank on, but. But you're. You've been getting it. So anyway, I think you. Later.
- [37:26]
Jamie
I can't do a game where they're competitive and he's under 35 attempts, this one.
- [37:32]
Greg
Yeah. I just don't know if it's gonna be 45 because you've been just getting incredible. That's a.
- [37:36]
Jamie
That's a huge deal. It's. And in just in analyzing the receivers like, I'm going to go right back to Marvin Harrison as a number two receiver, I think in the case of. If this had been four straight games for him and we're seeing this, he'd be top 10 easy.
- [37:50]
Greg
Right.
- [37:51]
Jamie
You know, if he's getting the. Certainly the target volume that Michael Wilson's getting, but you just treat him as a starter, the. The question becomes is how much do you still trust Michael Wilson? And you know that's going to come down probably to Wilson versus 100 other guys. And, you know, we can answer them until we're blue in the face. We're just not going to know.
- [38:07]
Greg
All right, so over to the buck side. If Baker Mayfield plays, where would you rank him?
- [38:12]
Jamie
Outside the top 12. Like, I can't trust him.
- [38:15]
Greg
Okay. Would you.
- [38:16]
Jamie
He's been bad. He's not 100%. The Cardinals, however they're getting it done, they do not give up big points to opposing quarterbacks. The last two have, in the case of Brock Purdy and Trevor Lawrence. Purdy, I think, you know, looking at it, you got lucky with the touchdowns because 200 yards passing and three touchdowns. Not. Not. That's. 200 yards passing is not what you look for from a great fantasy performance. You got the three touchdowns, and Trevor Lawrence was as lucky as you get because three turn, three interceptions and still three. Three touchdowns. So they've given up six touchdowns to the last two quarterbacks. But Baker Just has not looked good. Now, granted, that's three tough opponents. It was three games on the road. Much different scenario. But I don't want to say he's a guaranteed start. Like, I would start just of the guys who haven't played yet. I'd start Dart over him. I would start Trevor Lawrence over him. It'd probably be close between him and Sam Darnold.
- [39:07]
Greg
Okay. And you, you and Dave have some faith in Bucky Irving. Heath does not. I mean, you guys are like 20 spots. He's just saying, I think he's not going to play that much. I don't want to start Bucky Irving.
- [39:18]
Jamie
And, and you know, the, the offensive coordinator comment about, you know, what the snap, snap, count, snapshare workload could be for him makes a lot of sense. You know, do they want to rush him back? They are a weird, they're in a weird spot because they are most likely going to win the division. And if you're the Bucks, which could play into Baker's decision, you want to make sure you're going to beat the Falcons still. You're going to beat the Panthers still. I believe they have three games against those two teams combined and if they just win those games, they win the division.
- [39:55]
Greg
Yeah, but the Panthers are right behind them.
- [39:57]
Jamie
No, no, no, no, listen, they have to win. But they, I think realize like this game versus health and making sure that they're ready to go when it really matters is probably on their minds. And I'm not saying that they're going to, you know, make those. We're not playing him because of. We don't want to win this game. You know, that's, that's not the answer. I'm probably babbling at this point, but I think in the case of Buck, you treat him as a low end, number two, high end flex. Like I know in the two leagues I have him, I'm starting him.
- [40:29]
Greg
Would you start him over a Cardinals running back?
- [40:33]
Jamie
The only way I would not start him over Cardinals running back is if it's Trey Benson gets into full practice today or everybody's out and it's just Michael Carter.
- [40:41]
Greg
Okay. I think Donovan Knight's gonna play. I mean, he, he's limited, it sounds like. Yeah. All right. Okay, so I got some chat. Oh, sorry, Abuka, you already talked about earlier. I think he's 15th ish for you and Kate Otten starter.
- [40:55]
Jamie
Sit. He's a low end starter still. You know, I think based on the, the, the situation, whether it's, you know, Baker at limited Baker or A. A backup in Bridgewater. He'll still get probably seven or eight targets.
- [41:11]
Greg
What about Chris Godwin? Tez Johnson?
- [41:14]
Jamie
Can't trust him.
- [41:16]
Greg
Can't trust this. All right, got some questions here. If Marvin Harrison Jr. Is healthy, can I start both him and Michael Wilson over Debo Samuel?
- [41:28]
Jamie
I don't know if I'd want to go that route, but you can make a case that based on volume, they're.
- [41:34]
Greg
Both better than Debo Abuka or Evan.
- [41:38]
Jamie
Neal, I'm still a book of Neil.
- [41:41]
Greg
Michael Wilson or Jacoby. No, no, no, I was. I said his name wrong.
- [41:45]
Jamie
Oh, I'm sorry.
- [41:46]
Greg
A Buka. Michael Wilson or Jacoby Myers.
- [41:48]
Jamie
Yeah, this is. This is where we are, you know. So you have Brian Thomas Jr. Back and maybe Marvin Harrison back. Like I'm going to lean toward the volume of what I think Michael Wilson will still get.
- [41:57]
Greg
Yeah, and it's an easy call if Harrison's out. Let's see. Michael Wilson or Justin Jefferson. Half ppr.
- [42:06]
Jamie
So Harrison out. It's clearly Wilson for me, Harrison. And I would go with Jefferson, Greg.
- [42:12]
Greg
Dortch or Michael Pittman.
- [42:14]
Jamie
So again, if there is Marvin Harrison in, it would be Pittman. If there's Marvin Harrison out, I'd go.
- [42:19]
Greg
Dorch, Sean Tucker or Devin Neal.
- [42:22]
Jamie
I'd go Neil.
- [42:24]
Greg
And that's it. All right, break here. You're not going to start a dst, are you?
- [42:32]
Jamie
I would prefer not to, but Cardinal dst. Yeah, Cardinals if it's Bridgewater, might not be awful.
- [42:38]
Greg
They've been great in decent to great in three of their last four games. All right, we're going to take a break and come back with Denver and Washington after this on fantasy football today, avoiding your unfinished home projects because you're not sure where to start. Thumbtack knows homes, so you don't have to. Don't know the difference between matte paint finish and satin or what that clunking sound from your dryer is. With thumbtack, you don't have to be a home pro. You just have to hire one. You can hire top rated pros, see price estimates and read reviews all on the app download. Today, Nationwide is so much more than a great insurance company. They're one of America's largest financial services companies. Like how I'm more than just Peyton Manning. I'm also motivating Manning. When I say insurance, you say financial services. Insurance. Financial services. Insurance.
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Jamie
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Greg
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- [44:23]
Jamie
Where have those games been?
- [44:25]
Greg
I guess at home.
- [44:27]
Jamie
All three at home. Okay. All right. And so here's my, here's my concern is that he can easily have a good game here. This is not, by no means should you be sitting Bonex if he's your only quarterback. And I think that this was a pretty interesting week for quarterbacks and so far of at least two guys I have ranked out of one to great in burrow and one stunk and Lamar Jackson, but I don't think anybody was starting Bonix over Lamar Jackson against the Bengals. No matter who Bo Nix was playing. I don't think this is a game where he's going to have to have these fourth quarter heroics which is kind of certainly was the case in the Giants game. I also think that this is a game where they can get their run game going. Washington is almost identical in the fantasy production that they give up to each position. Quarterback and running back. It's like 28 fifth worst. So this should be a game you get RJ Harvey going and not have to throw the ball as much you like. This is probably a 30 past 10 game for Bonix and he could still come through for his receiver. So I like his receivers. I think both Cortland Sutton and Troy Franklin are borderline number two receivers. Can't say with any confidence that you should start one and one over the other. If you're going to lean on one, it's probably Franklin. I think this is a get right game for Sutton though. So I like both. But I think just in the case of like my favorite Broncos this week, RJ Harvey is number one.
- [45:52]
Greg
I wish I had something smart to say about Cortland Sutton, but I really don't. Except I would say that he, he really has not had a very good target share all year. Even when he was playing well. It's about 20% and you just want more than that from a reliable receiver. I think you want that to be 22% or higher. That's just a number I'm throwing out. There could be wrong, but I started him over. Jameson Williams, of course, I didn't know I'm on wrestling. Brown was going to be knocked out.
- [46:20]
Jamie
So I had a rank that way.
- [46:21]
Greg
Same you did. Okay, so I'm hopeful here. But you have like Franklin better.
- [46:25]
Jamie
I have them essentially back to back like 23, 24 range right there. You know, just kind of more on hope for a sudden at this point, you know, it's coming off their buy thinking that they're going to try and get him involved a little bit more. The secondary is bad so both guys should have a chance to play well here. But again, I don't think this is a high volume past attempt game for, for Bo Nick, so that's a little bit of a concern.
- [46:49]
Greg
We're gonna sit Evan Ingram, RJ Harvey. I do have some RJ Harvey questions. Why don't we go to those right now? RJ Harvey or Trayvon Henderson?
- [46:58]
Jamie
I have them in a similar range. I have Harvey like one or two spots ahead.
- [47:02]
Greg
RJ Harvey or Rico Dowdle?
- [47:06]
Jamie
I think I have Harvey one spot ahead.
- [47:07]
Greg
Harvey or Breece Hall?
- [47:09]
Jamie
Hall.
- [47:11]
Greg
Bo Nix or Sam Darnold?
- [47:14]
Jamie
Bonix.
- [47:15]
Greg
Bo Nix or Caleb Williams?
- [47:18]
Jamie
Bonix.
- [47:19]
Greg
All right, hopefully you hear this. For those of you making that decision before that game starts on the.
- [47:25]
Jamie
I said Caleb Williams.
- [47:27]
Greg
What'd you say?
- [47:27]
Jamie
If not, then I said Caleb Williams.
- [47:29]
Greg
There you go on the other side of the ball. Look, Mariota hasn't been bad, but not against Denver. We're not starting them. No Chris Rodriguez or Bucky Irving?
- [47:40]
Jamie
I'd go Bucky.
- [47:43]
Greg
Chris Rodriguez or let's say Trey Benson's out and Donovan Knight plays.
- [47:50]
Jamie
I'd go down to the night. I don't want to trust Rodriguez in this spot. Like their run defense is very good. They're getting Singleton back. It's a, it's a touchdown or bus guy, you know, so they get down inside the five. He's going to get his chances. And he scored in two of his last three games when they started to feature him a little more. So that certainly can happen. But you saw even in a good matchup what the downside is. He has one catch on the season and it was against Miami, their last game. So one for six. Like there's nothing to save him without a touchdown.
- [48:19]
Greg
Yeah.
- [48:20]
Jamie
All right.
- [48:20]
Greg
It's tough. I, you know, a lot of people picked him up and I don't blame you, but I just don't know when you're going to feel comfortable starting Chris Rodriguez. Lisa been running well. All right, so let's talk about the Washington passing game, the wide receivers and the tight ends, because we're expecting Terry McLaurin to play. He's been practicing at full. But we're also expecting Alex Singleton back for Denver, a great linebacker, and we're expecting Pat Certain back for Denver. So McLaurin and Debo and Zach Ertz, what do you think?
- [48:45]
Jamie
I would sit them all, you know, Dave, or. I'm sorry. Heath made a good case for Debo and how they'll probably use him and, you know, short throws keep him away from certain. But this defense just does not give up production to wide receivers. You know, it's not just because of certain. They're just very good. And I think Mario is going to be in trouble based on the pass rush. And so now you have a target share problem because of McLaren back on the field. So the last two games that Debo and McLaren played together, Kansas City, and I believe it was Las Vegas, he wasn't good. He was under 5 PPR points in both of those. So, like, I don't want to trust this against this matchup.
- [49:27]
Greg
Yeah, man, we're just really just not excited to start the commanders.
- [49:31]
Jamie
I mean, why.
- [49:31]
Greg
Why should you be? Zach Ertz, I don't even know if you have him ranked. No, Dave has him 17th. Heath I think has him 15th. That was as of yesterday. And.
- [49:41]
Jamie
All right, like, I'll just give you examples. If you tell me Chico conquo is out, I would much rather start gunner helm.
- [49:48]
Greg
Then Zach hurts.
- [49:49]
Jamie
Yes. Yeah.
- [49:50]
Greg
Okay. I get the. I get the whole, like, oh, they're just gonna give short passes to Debo Samuel. But that has not been working for them. Other than against the Miami Dolphins, Denver's DST is a must start. You know, I'm just getting frustrated here, Jamie. I'm trying to look something up and. Anything else to say about this game?
- [50:10]
Jamie
Not really. I mean, Harvey's the one I think a lot of people have some questions on. We answer the three of those. Like, to me, it's. It's a great matchup. He played 61 of the snaps last. Last time we saw him, and that was against Kansas City. Struggled, but I think this is a game where he gets 15 plus touches and you know, you mentioned a few of those matchups. Harvey is one of his best games was that Bengals game.
- [50:35]
Greg
Yeah, sorry. I can think. You can tell I'm not listening. All right, well, anyway, I'm trying to look up some. Some cool metric about target per out run rate, but I can't do it successfully. So you will not get it on the show. I'm sorry. Let's go to our next game. Minnesota is at Seattle, who make the case to start any Viking in this game against the Seattle defense, the only.
- [50:58]
Jamie
One really is Jefferson. And it's a lot of it is hope really, it's hope that a quarterback other than J.J. mcCarthy will be competent. A target share that will still be there chasing points. I can't trust Addison. He's been bad since McCarthy's arrival or return. Excuse me, TJ Hawkinson's been bad with McCarthy the entire season. So taking on the Seahawks, like even in a great matchup, I can't trust Hawkinson. You know, for Jefferson, it's just who he is. And you know, we're getting to the point where if this is another bad game, I don't have their schedule in front of me. But if we get these tough matchups like you're sitting Justin Jefferson, potentially, it's just been bad. It's been really tough to trust.
- [51:38]
Greg
The one thing I could see for Aaron Jones is what I was talking about earlier with Brosmer and him just checking down all the time and maybe that helps get him some catches. But Seattle's run defense is so good. Jones, you know, like last week they were trailing and they couldn't go to the run game and he had only nine carries. So you're just praying that Aaron Jones catches a bunch of passes and gets you some cheap PPR fantasy points. Aaron Jones or Zach Charbonnet?
- [52:08]
Jamie
Still Jones.
- [52:10]
Greg
Aaron Jones or Kamani Vidal if Hampton's out? Vidal, Aaron Jones or Cortland Sutton?
- [52:20]
Jamie
Sutton.
- [52:21]
Greg
And you said you have Sutton. You have Jefferson ahead of Sutton. Do you have Jefferson, head of Franklin?
- [52:28]
Jamie
Yes.
- [52:30]
Greg
All right, let's see anybody in there. If you have any, any Justin Jefferson questions or anything from this game, fire away. On the other side of the ball, starter sits Sam Darnold, low end starter.
- [52:43]
Jamie
You know, I think we've seen him come through in. In positive matchups and I think this is a borderline one. You have the revenge game narrative, so that's something that you keep an eye on there back in their building. You know, I thought he played well last week against the Titans, but that wasn't you know, any situation to be concerned about, you know, really with Tennessee's defense, you know, they're going to throw a lot of different looks at him. Clearly that's what Brian Flores does and he's seen this defense plenty of times in practice or, you know, the, the type of defense that they run. So I don't think he's a must start, but he is a borderline number one quarterback. So in the same range for me as Caleb Williams and Bo Nix and Trevor Lawrence and you know, he's behind those guys, but he's, he's right there in terms of not a must start guy.
- [53:26]
Greg
This, if you consider this a tough matchup, which I think I do. The last three quarterbacks to face Minnesota, Lamar Jackson, 16.6 fantasy points. Caleb Williams, 10.3. Jordan Love, 7.1. Only 21 pass attempts for Love. Sam Darnold has not done well in good, tough matchups. You know, Arizona 18.1 fantasy points and 6.9 fantasy points. The second time he only threw 12 passes, but he had some turnovers. Bad game. Terrible game against Houston. Terrible game at the Rams. He also hasn't really done, he hasn't done poorly in blowouts, but he only has one great game in blowouts. Games where they've won by 10 or more points.
- [54:08]
Jamie
You know, that was Washington.
- [54:10]
Greg
Yeah. 19.8 points, 20.7 points, 35.2 points at Washington. One of the best.
- [54:15]
Jamie
He was 21 of 24 in that game. Yeah.
- [54:17]
Greg
And 6.9 fantasy points against Arizona. So it's, it just doesn't look like the kind of game. You've talked about this a lot. There's, there's a kind of game where we expect good stuff from Darnold and this one doesn't really look like it. But Ken Walker on the other hand, you know, Minnesota's run defense, kind of like Tampa Bay, sometimes they're really good, sometimes they're not good at all. But Walker, with the season high 59.3% Route participation rate last week, that's a big, big boost. Got a care. So annoyed. Got a carry at the two yard line. Remember I said I missed that, that that ball was so close to the three yard line, it was like just inside the three. But anyway, he did get a carry, another carry from the, from the three yard liner closer. That's good stuff. So how do you, how are you feeling about him in general this week?
- [55:02]
Jamie
Number two running back, you know, so better than Bucky Irving. I would say better than Kamani Vidal. If there's no Hampton better than trying to think somebody else. We just talked about better than Devin Neal, better than.
- [55:17]
Greg
Harvey Henderson.
- [55:18]
Jamie
I would start Harvey and Henderson over him. But you know, the, the thing that's encouraging is Mike McDonald came out of. Came into week 12 and said gonna give him more work and played a season high in snaps. And so just keep that going. Give him the three catches. You know, three catches in. In back to back games is very encouraging for him. So again, I think you just got to understand that there's. That there's limited. There's a limited ceiling because of Charbonnet and the touchdowns that he loses there. But there's still plenty of potential for him to be a good running back.
- [55:51]
Greg
Okay. And start JSN and that's it. We're not going to start Barn or anyone. Seattle's DST is top two. Charbonnet, I think you know what you're getting at this point. Look, there's obviously a chance that they just. Our dominating possession, running a lot of plays. Charbonnet could score. But yeah, that's. That's what he is. All right, if anyone's interested, I want to share something real quick here. Just some advanced metrics. Is that too? Should I zoom in, Jamie?
- [56:18]
Jamie
Probably.
- [56:19]
Greg
All right, let me zoom in. So we're looking at wide receivers. There are 89 wide receivers with 30 or more targets this year. Right now we're looking at target per route run rate leaders, JSN 36.6%. Why we look at target per hour run rate and not target share. Well, if you miss a game, then your target share goes down. So this is just when they're on the field. How often are they being targeted when they run routes? If I scroll down, there are 89 receivers. If I scroll down to about. Where are we? 54. We get Cortland Sutton. This is what I was talking about. Can you see the pointer, Jamie?
- [56:56]
Jamie
Yes.
- [56:57]
Greg
Okay. He's at 19. That's pretty bad. The only wide receiver that I see that has a lower target per route run rate than Cortland Sutton and is someone that we start in fantasy is T. Higgins, which is also surprising, by the way. 17.8% for Higgins. Other than that, I mean, we're not really. Oh, jmo. Jmo. Well, that's gone way up though. For jmo, it's gone up. We don't see a lot of guys that were like, oh, we're excited to start him. So that's the issue with, with Sutton. There are a lot of issues, but he's just not Being targeted that much. You see Marvin Harrison Jr. Here. His is also pretty low. So anyway, that's just some. That's a metric to consider. Next game. Rams are at the Panthers. I'm going to call this an irrelevant stat of the game, but I wish. I wish J.C. horn were playing, but this team is beat up in the secondary. He might play, but he's in the concussion protocol. But they're eighth best against quarterbacks. And Matthew Stafford, believe it or not, has yet to score 18 or more than 18 fantasy points in tough matchups like top 10 against quarterbacks. But we're going to assume that the Panthers are.
- [58:04]
Jamie
That he's going to face. That's top 10.
- [58:06]
Greg
That's Houston, Philadelphia. Houston at Philadelphia. I put at Baltimore because I think they're a tough matchup now. Like they were a tough matchup then. They were healthy and. And Puka left in that game. And Seattle. So Houston at Philadelphia, at Baltimore, Seattle. He did not score 18 points in any of those games.
- [58:25]
Jamie
That's a road game.
- [58:26]
Greg
Yeah, but I'm not really worried because you guys aren't either. He's number one. Number one in the rankings.
- [58:31]
Jamie
That's. I mean, yeah, start.
- [58:35]
Greg
The Rams are. Are easy at this point, except for Kyron. Kyron has more than 14 carries in one of his last eight games.
- [58:42]
Jamie
You're still starting him.
- [58:44]
Greg
You're starting him. Yeah, but like, he doubt, doubt who's the best running back in this game.
- [58:50]
Jamie
I would still start Kyro Nova. Donald.
- [58:53]
Greg
Okay, how about the Rams run defense.
- [58:55]
Jamie
Is just too good.
- [58:57]
Greg
It is. And the Panthers run defense is not. All right, look, Kyron probably has to score. When he doesn't score, he struggles. When he started having these games with. With 14 or fewer carries.
- [59:12]
Jamie
Yeah.
- [59:12]
Greg
There have been two games where it didn't score 8.5 fantasy points at Jacksonville, 5.8 against Tampa Bay. All right, so RJ Harvey or Kyron Williams?
- [59:22]
Jamie
I think I have Kyron one or two spots ahead.
- [59:26]
Greg
Let's talk about the Panthers here. I said earlier, I have a lot to say about this game, but let me get your thoughts. And that's surprising considering what game it is. But what are your thoughts on Tetterola McMillan? Let's start with him.
- [59:38]
Jamie
I'm gonna guess that based on how this game could go, we see a high volume of pass attempts for Bryce Young, which is where we've seen Tedro and McMillan still be good. This is a brutal matchup against a very good Rams defense. That's going to make things uncomfortable for Kyron. Excuse me for Kyron for Bryce Young. So McMillan's going to get a lot of attention, understandably so. The rest is receiving core is not exactly anything that you fear. So I'm just hopeful, you know, the, the Falcons game is, is the one you point to and you say, okay, we saw great Bryce Young. And for the season, the Falcons past defense has been good. Lately, they have not been great. So I don't think that compares to the Rams. That being said, if he can throw the ball a lot, that's going to lead to a lot of target opportunities and you hope that he comes through. So I'm just treating him as a number two receiver.
- [60:24]
Greg
Yeah, you said they're going to throw the ball a lot, right? So if you listen to beyond the box or you said if they throw the ball a lot, you listen to beyond the box score from two weeks ago after McMillan had his huge game. I'm sitting there going, listen, chill. Because this team does not throw the ball much. That's been holding back Ted Roll McMillan. But I was like, look at their schedule, though. They got San Francisco, they got the Rams, they got these good offenses. I think they're going to have to start throwing more. So I was encouraged in that regard last week. What do they do? They throw 29 times in a, in a 20 to nine loss. But what happened in that game? They ran 43 plays. The Panthers, they had the ball for 22 minutes and 18 seconds. They actually had their second highest pass rate of the season. So I do think that unless you get these weird games where they just don't have the ball 22 minutes of possession, it's ridiculous. 43 plays, it should be more like 60, 55 at least. You know, you're. I think you are going to start seeing them throw more. And that is what encourages me for Te McMillan. Cause he is really good. Rams are getting a killer Witherspoon back. That's not good for him. But he's. He's good. And if he gets his targets, seems like he needs 10. But his target share is so high that he might get 10. And it's hard to sit that. I guess McMillan or Jefferson?
- [61:43]
Jamie
Right now it's Jefferson.
- [61:46]
Greg
How do you look at the Cardinals guys and McMillan?
- [61:50]
Jamie
Wilson or Harrison will be ranked ahead of him, not both.
- [61:56]
Greg
And okay, how you feeling about Rico.
- [61:57]
Jamie
Dowdle, number two running back? I think this is my concern with the Panthers as well is that last week I think Dave Canales did not do a good enough job running the football. And that plays into the time possession. I Think that played into them not scoring a touchdown when they're on the one yard line. First and goal from the one. I didn't like that play call at all. And I think we get a little market correction for him after. I think Rico averaged 6 yards per carry against the 49ers. So how do you slow down the Rams? You try to run the ball.
- [62:28]
Greg
Okay, I'm looking for some chat questions here. It was nice that Dowdle got the, the passing game work too. He had four catches. Last week he had five or two weeks ago he had five catches. So that's encouraging. Chuba Hubbard was the third down back. He mixed in. Okay, do I have one Kyron Dowdle or Genti sit One.
- [62:51]
Jamie
I currently have Dowdle ranked the lowest.
- [62:56]
Greg
Scott says Adam has a Chiron complex.
- [63:00]
Jamie
You do?
- [63:00]
Greg
I do. But I think I'm. I think I'm on to something here. But here's the truth. I have him in two leagues. I have not sat him once I started him. I mean, it's hard to say I started him over Javante Williams because I had one of them as a running back and the other one is a flex, but I would have started him over Javante Williams. I, I love the game script here. I think they're going to win easily. I think they're going to run the ball effectively and I think they're going to. I think he's going to score, but I think if you don't have a little bit of a chiron complex, I think you're kind of ignoring his usage because it's just not good enough. He's essentially splitting, you know, series with a little bit of favoritism there and he's lucky he's been scoring, but I think he's going to score again. Here's a stupid comment. I'm glad I didn't listen to you guys talking about playing Lamar because he's playing the Bengals. Haha. CBS sucks, bro. I. It was Thanksgiving yesterday and I hope you had a wonderful one. Did you watch the game? Have you listened to anything we've said? Lamar Jackson should have had a pretty good game even while playing poorly. Because the Bengals are that bad. Give me a break, bro.
- [64:03]
Jamie
Is this, Is that Heath's burner?
- [64:06]
Greg
Tedaro? Because That's a cheap SL thing. Teterom McMillan or Roma Dunes a half PPR.
- [64:12]
Jamie
McMillan.
- [64:13]
Greg
I'd love to get some more McMillan questions in here. McMillan or Kyron?
- [64:18]
Jamie
Kyron.
- [64:22]
Greg
Let's see. McMillan. I'll just do some McMillan or Pittman?
- [64:30]
Jamie
McMillan.
- [64:31]
Greg
McMillan or Tyrone? Tracy. PPR.
- [64:34]
Jamie
Tracy. Oh, I'm sorry. PPR going mill Denver wide receivers.
- [64:41]
Greg
Or McMillan. Or McMillan. Half PPR.
- [64:45]
Jamie
Doubt.
- [64:48]
Greg
If Omarion Hampton starts, would you start Dowdle or Hampton?
- [64:52]
Jamie
I would start Daddle.
- [64:53]
Greg
All right, start the Rams dst Oh, I forgot to mention Colby Parkinson. Any interest in him?
- [65:00]
Jamie
Not yet, but I think if you certainly are stuck at the position, which I don't know how many people are this year because it's been so good, but touchdown in three straight games would not surprise me if he scores again. But it's just not a lot, a lot of targets right now.
- [65:15]
Greg
Okay, I've got New Orleans at Miami. Stat of the game. This is weird. The Dolphins have the seventh highest run rate since week seven. That's their last five games. Well, they're three and two in those games. They've been involved in three blowouts. They won one and lost one. But Tuatanga by Loa has 26 or fewer pass attempts in four of his last five games. Weird. Devon H and 20 or more carries in two straight games for the first time in his career. We could see more of that from the Dolphins in this game. Who do you, who do you think? Who are the must starts in this game? New Orleans at Miami.
- [65:48]
Jamie
I think there are four. There is Devon hn, Jalen Waddle, Chris Olave and Juwan Johnson.
- [65:58]
Greg
Where is Juwan Johnson for you? Is he ahead of. He's ahead of Kate Otten now. Kyle Pitt.
- [66:04]
Jamie
I believe I have him. Sixth.
- [66:05]
Greg
Sixth.
- [66:05]
Jamie
Wow.
- [66:06]
Greg
All right, so start, start Juwan Johnson. I just. I feel like I'm going to forget to ask. How do you feel about Taysom Hill?
- [66:14]
Jamie
He's a wild card for two reasons. One, you could play him at tight end and he's going to potentially act like a running back. If we get both Camara and Devin Neal out, then I will have a lot of interest in Taysom Hill because then he's probably going to get maybe 20 carries which will be shot. 15 carries. I mean, he had 10 last week. Yeah. So there's, there's a lot of appeal there. But I still think like you're just. He's too touchdown dependent. And when. When we've loved Taysom Hill. Loved it's when he's quarterback.
- [66:48]
Greg
Right, right, right. All right, so Tua starter set.
- [66:54]
Jamie
I do not want to start Tua, but he's right behind Darnold in that range of, you know, low end starters and deeper leagues. I do want a roster to a for two reasons. One, I think this is a chance for him to play well. Two, he gets the jets next week when we have Drake May and Brock Purdy and Dart. Dart on a buy, you know, so he's a good. Beat the waiver wire guy if you want to pick him up now. Because if he does play well, then everybody's gonna be chasing him. But yeah, I. I think this is one of his better games. It should be, at least for what the matchup is playing at home. You know, I thought he's going to play well against Washington also. But like you said, Devon HN is just unbelievable.
- [67:33]
Greg
He's amazing.
- [67:34]
Jamie
Yeah.
- [67:35]
Greg
I was thinking as I was watching Jameer Gibbs yesterday, who's the best running back in the NFL? If I could. If I could start my team with one running back, who would it be? I don't think I can say hn, but he's up there. Who would. What would your answer be for a.
- [67:50]
Jamie
Game or a season?
- [67:50]
Greg
A season. A franchise.
- [67:52]
Jamie
Oh, franchise. I mean, you got to go young, so it takes McCaffrey out of it. But I think in the case of, like, you got three candidates for sure. You got Gibbs, you got hn, you got Bijan. Right. Those would be the three.
- [68:05]
Greg
Yeah. Unless you were somehow thinking Genti or something. Or Hampton. But yeah.
- [68:09]
Jamie
Yeah.
- [68:10]
Greg
I mean, there's those three.
- [68:11]
Jamie
They're there. John the Taylor still as well.
- [68:14]
Greg
Yeah.
- [68:16]
Jamie
I. I think if we were redrafting now, rest of season a chance, probably number one overall pick.
- [68:22]
Greg
Wow. Yeah. Maybe Gibbs is hard to pass up. I. I wish Bijan Robinson were on the Lions. I feel like we know how good he is, but we don't know how good he is. If that makes sense. Yeah. You know, if Ola. I'll get to Devin Neal in a second here. Olave's top 12. If he doesn't play, how would that. What would that do? What would you do with every. With rankings in your brain?
- [68:49]
Jamie
I think you, you know, deeper leagues. You look at Mason Tipton and. And Devon Vale as the next two guys for the Saints, you know, we're talking the deepest of leagues. Juwan Johnson. I don't think he can get much higher than where he is right now, you know, so it just. I would really love the Dolphins dsd.
- [69:07]
Greg
Yeah, true. Right?
- [69:09]
Jamie
The Dolphins like them already, you know, so.
- [69:10]
Greg
Yeah, they have been. They've also been pretty good. Like the Cardinals, the Dolphins DST has been solid lately. Against Buffalo, against Washington, at Atlanta. They were. They were good, too. They were horrible against Baltimore and this, almost every DST has done well against the Saints, so you could Definitely consider Miami. All right. Devin Neal and Darren Waller I guess we could talk about as well. But where's Devin Neal for you?
- [69:33]
Jamie
Just outside the top 24 in the top 30. You know, you're encouraged by the passing game work and if I remember the stack correctly, Tyler Shuck in his last two starts, 15 targets to his running backs. Now seven of those went to Devin Neal last week. So he's throwing to the position. And again, you know you're looking at this receiving core that with a lobby is bad. Without a lobby would be even worse. So I think you just have to realize like there's going to be one other person if not two other people taking touches in this backfield because they're probably going to elevate Audrey estimate. And so we get estimate and Taysom Hill taking some carries away from him. And they haven't exactly shown the, the, the want to give Neil carries. If you recall when Kendra Miller was healthy, he was getting carries. Not a lot of work in the passing game. Neil was kind of taking passing downs work away from, from Camara. So how much they'll trust them on running downs will be the interesting part of this. But I think in, in full PPR and half PPR, Devin Neal has the chance to get you 11 to 12 points in non PPR. You know, touchdowns were so bad for this backfield the entire season, so I wouldn't necessarily want to start him there.
- [70:40]
Greg
If Darren Waller plays, where will you rank him?
- [70:42]
Jamie
Waller will be a low end number one guy. You know, I, I, the, the volume was obviously a problem for him when he was healthy, but the touchdowns were great and so that was with Tyree Kill on the field. So now you have no Tyree Kill and nobody else has really stepped up to help Jalen Waddle consistently. We know he had the two touchdowns in three games for Malik Washington, but not a lot of volume for him. So I think Waller is a, is a good streamer. You should definitely be picking him up and put him on IR just in case he doesn't play this week. You have him, you know, for rest of season. But to say he's a must start guy with what the position looks like, like I'd rather start. Schultz. I'd rather start. Still strange. I'd rather start.
- [71:24]
Greg
How about Zach Ertz who's probably going to get you like eight fantasy points.
- [71:28]
Jamie
I don't have earths ranked so.
- [71:30]
Greg
All right.
- [71:33]
Jamie
I would go Waller.
- [71:34]
Greg
Waller. Okay, how about see by the way next week the Panthers are also on a buy. Probably just mentioned that Waller or Oak or Titans tight end?
- [71:45]
Jamie
I would go Waller as much as I would like. Gunner Helm. Without Okonkwo, I'd still go Waller, Parkinson or Waller. I don't have a Parkinson ranked. I don't think.
- [71:54]
Greg
Okay.
- [71:56]
Jamie
If I do, he's in the teens. Waller would be borderline top 12.
- [72:00]
Greg
All right, all right, all right.
- [72:01]
Jamie
So it would be like Waller or Kate Otten, that type of guy.
- [72:03]
Greg
Theo Johnson.
- [72:05]
Jamie
I would go Waller.
- [72:06]
Greg
Okay.
- [72:07]
Jamie
They feel very similar to me.
- [72:09]
Greg
See if I have any good ones here. Dolphins or Niners defense?
- [72:13]
Jamie
Oh, I like both. I probably go Niners.
- [72:16]
Greg
Juwan Johnson or Alec Pierce?
- [72:19]
Jamie
I would go Juwan Johnson.
- [72:20]
Greg
Juwan Johnson or Gadsden? Juwan Johnson or Strange Joanne Johnson? Devin Neal? Khalil Shakir. Tyrone Tracy. Ppr.
- [72:30]
Jamie
Shakir.
- [72:32]
Greg
Let's say it was just the running backs. Devon Neal or Tracy?
- [72:35]
Jamie
Tracy.
- [72:36]
Greg
Dolphins or Niners?
- [72:38]
Jamie
You just asked that. Okay.
- [72:43]
Greg
Neil Pollard or Tracy.
- [72:44]
Jamie
I will say this, though, in regards to the Dolphins, if you want to get ahead of your waiver wire, you play the Dolphins this week against the Saints and then they get the jets.
- [72:50]
Greg
Next week throwing Pollard in this mix. Neil Pollard or Tracy?
- [72:55]
Jamie
It would be Tracy. Neil Skip a lot. Pollard.
- [72:59]
Greg
All right. Last game here. By the way, we do have a mailbag later. Just so you know. One of the people participating in the mailbag texted me last night. Won't say who. Won't tell you if it was Jamie or Dan. But one of them texted me and said, no, mailbag tomorrow. Right? I said, yes, mailbag tomorrow. And he said, I thought you said, no mailbag. I never said that. There's definitely a mailbag.
- [73:22]
Jamie
So, yeah. You know who that was?
- [73:24]
Greg
Of course. But I won't say it was Dan. Atlanta's at the jets start Bijan. All right, we'll go back to last game. Who would you rather start, Malik Washington or Darnell Mooney?
- [73:38]
Jamie
Darnell Mooney. Okay.
- [73:40]
Greg
Mooney had three targets last week. Just want to point that out. All right, so Mooney and it was.
- [73:46]
Jamie
His best game of the season.
- [73:47]
Greg
Yeah. 74 yards and a touchdown on three targets at the Saints. Jets. You know, the jets actually have held up fairly well without Sauce Gardner. But the first game, they make it, give up a big game to Judy. After that. Who was it after that? I don't remember. Whatever.
- [74:06]
Jamie
Patriots.
- [74:07]
Greg
Oh, yeah. Diggs had 105 yards last week. Jackson. Lamar Jackson struggled a little bit, but how do you feel about Kyle Pitts?
- [74:17]
Jamie
I can't trust him. One touchdown on the season. The last three weeks have been bad. Last week was a setup we loved for him was Cousins without Drake London. And he did not do much. So it's just a shame that he's not performing well.
- [74:34]
Greg
I know it sucks. I'm gonna. I'll make excuses just. Just for fun. Three games ago at Indianapolis in Germany, he was open in the end zone. Panics left it under thrown. Two games ago, he had only a 10.3 target share. Just a bad game last week though. 25 target share for Kyle Pitts, but Kirk cousins only had 23 pass attempts. There's also a play that could have been a chunk play, but he dropped it or was knocked out of his hands. I couldn't tell. So if you are stuck and have to start, I mean did he has had a high target share in most games. Maybe they. Hopefully they throw more than 23 times. But yeah, it's like even his good production wasn't that good.
- [75:19]
Jamie
I was excited last week because he had nine catches. He had nine catches for 46 yards. When I say nine catches in. In the. The setup against Miami was the same as last week without Drake, London and Cousin starting. And he had nine targets, nine catches for 46 yards.
- [75:33]
Greg
Boiler jam. Yes. Definitely. Drop pits for Strange and we'll see if I have any more questions for this game, but Mooney or the second Cardinals receiver?
- [75:49]
Jamie
The second Cardinals receiver.
- [75:51]
Greg
Mooney or Mechie?
- [75:54]
Jamie
That's a tough one. I would probably go Mechi.
- [75:57]
Greg
All right. Drake London, doubtful. So Mooney with the big role with a big chance here, but also no Garrett Wilson. So Metchie and Mitchell Mechi. Mitchell has had more targets than Mechi, oddly enough in the last two games. He's just done nothing with it. Yeah. Mechi has scored 18.5 fantasy points and 13.5 fantasy points at Baltimore and at New England with a touchdown in each game. And Atlanta's 18th against receivers, they've been struggling a little bit lately. Seven wide receivers have 83 yards or a touchdown against Atlanta in their last five games. I believe I could be wrong about that. But they've been struggling. Sorry. I should have. I should have had that. We like Breeze hall quite a bit. So start Breeze Hall. I don't really think there's much else here. I mean, we could do a little more. Like. Would you start at this point with Daniel Jones having a broken leg? Would you start Mechi or Mooney over Michael Pittman?
- [76:49]
Jamie
No.
- [76:51]
Greg
Okay.
- [76:53]
Jamie
And this could be an algier game too.
- [76:56]
Greg
All right, Just looking for some chat questions here for this very boring game.
- [77:02]
Jamie
You got One Mooney, Charbonnet or Pollard?
- [77:05]
Greg
Mooney, Charbonnet or Pollard? Ooh, in full ppr. I'm gonna go with Mooney.
- [77:10]
Jamie
I would too. Then you also have one Mr. Viper says Mechi. Mitchell or Melancholy?
- [77:18]
Greg
Met you or Mitchell A Melancholy.
- [77:23]
Jamie
Yeah.
- [77:24]
Greg
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
- [77:25]
Jamie
I get it.
- [77:25]
Greg
It's not even a question. It's the state of the jets receivers. How about Darnell Mooney, Quinton Johnston or. Okay, we're definitely gonna go Marvin Harrison Jr. If active. But Mooney or Quinn Johnson's an interesting one.
- [77:37]
Jamie
I would go with Quentin Johnson on the upside.
- [77:40]
Greg
Tyler Algeria. Breeze Hall. Okay, we're going Breeze hall here. All right, I think that's it. If you have any more questions. You like a DST in this game, by the way.
- [77:52]
Jamie
I do not. Falcons. They're good last week.
- [77:56]
Greg
Okay, I'll answer this one just for fun. Kyron Williams or A.J. brown?
- [78:03]
Jamie
I thought. You can answer it.
- [78:05]
Greg
I'll have you answer it.
- [78:08]
Jamie
I would go with Kyron.
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Greg
That's probably the right way to go. It's probably the right way to go.
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Jamie
All right.
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Greg
All right, folks, thank you so much for tuning in. Pretty cool that you're spending this holiday with us, you know.
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Jamie
Hey, we appreciate it.
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Greg
Last one, there's a cousins one. Mariota Cousins. Sanders Shiver Sanders Pick two in Super Flex.
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Jamie
Yeah, I'm setting same.
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Greg
Take care, everybody. We will talk to you on the mailbag. Even Dan Noon Easter. Have a great weekend.
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Jamie
See ya.
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Greg
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Jamie
Then I will kill you both.
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Greg
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