Start or Sit (NFC): Jayden Daniels, Vikings RBs, Bears RBs, Eagles WRs and More (12/05 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today (12/05/2025) – Start or Sit (NFC): Jayden Daniels, Vikings RBs, Bears RBs, Eagles WRs & More

Hosts: Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg
Key Analysts: FFT Crew
Date: December 5, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Fantasy Football Today dives into pivotal start/sit decisions with heavy focus on NFC squads as the fantasy playoffs arrive. The crew offers rapid-fire analysis and debates over high-profile, controversial choices including Jayden Daniels’ ceiling, murky Vikings and Bears backfields, the unpredictable Eagles wide receivers, Arizona’s uncertain WR situation, and much more. If you’re making playoff lineup decisions, this is the critical, numbers-packed episode you need.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Thursday Night Recap: Lions vs. Cowboys

• 74 points were scored, yet both quarterbacks underperformed for fantasy. Jameer Gibbs was the top story, nearly matching both QBs’ production himself (04:52).
• Ryan Flournoy and Isaac Tesla got surprise TDs; most Tesla shares were dropped when Amon-Ra St. Brown was confirmed active (02:10).

“Jameer Gibbs had 37 [PPR points], so he almost scored as many points as the two quarterbacks combined.” — Adam (04:52)

• Takeaway on Amon-Ra St. Brown: Remains a must-start; concerns about usage were squashed after his strong game post-injury (03:39, 04:24).

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2. Quarterback Start/Sit Dilemmas

• Jared Goff & Dak Prescott: Still safe to trust moving forward despite down Week 13. Goff’s indoor schedule is a plus. Only consider sitting for Burrow, Daniels, or other elite options (05:48).
• Jayden Daniels: Consensus top-12 play this week vs. Minnesota. Heath is especially bullish (ranked 5th).

“Absolutely, [Daniels] could be a league winner. Giants, Eagles, Cowboys the next three weeks—two great matchups.” — Jamie (12:32)

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3. Waiver Wire & Injury News Impact

• Ryan Flournoy: Flex appeal only if CeeDee Lamb remains out. High target-per-route-run rate, but playoff context means few managers will need him (08:07).

• Isaac Tesla: Similar logic—viable as a swing for upside if injuries linger in Detroit (09:23).

• Injury Roundup:

  • Lamar Jackson expected to play through dings.
  • Jaden Daniels full practice.
  • T. Higgins practiced in full (14:40).
  • Marvin Harrison, Greg Dortch, Drake London, Mike Evans all listed as “questions”, affecting potential starts/sits.

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4. Game-by-Game Start/Sit Questions

Eagles at Chargers (Monday Night)

• Eagles Outlook:
  • Jalen Hurts, A.J. Brown are locked in.
  • Devonta Smith: Low-end WR2, but “zone-beater” which matches Chargers’ coverage style (29:41).
  • Saquon Barkley: Not a top-12 RB, possibly outside top 15. Start only for lack of better options (26:57, 27:29).
  • Dallas Goedert: Sit, unless desperate.

“I think if you start Devonta Smith, you’re hoping for four or five catches, 75 yards, outside chance he breaks a long one.” — Dave (29:41)

• Chargers Outlook:
  • Herbert likely to play, but risky with hand injury and shaky OL (31:01).
  • If Vidal is solo starter, treat as solid RB2; if Hampton returns, both are in flex/RB2 mix. Eagles allow RB pass-game usage, but not every back takes advantage (32:44).
  • Lad McConkey is best Chargers WR play. Gadsden is fringe top-12 TE if Herbert plays.
  • If Herbert is ruled out, all Chargers pass catchers become sits.

Chicago Bears at Green Bay Packers

• Bears RBs:

  • "Trust? No. Start? Yes." (20:40)
  • Swift > Manangai, but both risky. Negative game script favors Swift; both are playable flexes in deeper leagues.
  • Caution: Receiving production is way down; make these borderline calls if desperate (39:59).

• Packers WRs:

  • Christian Watson is top WR play from this game; role is increasing (42:04).
  • Jordan Love is a stream-worthy QB1 due to Bears’ poor pass rush and Green Bay’s big-play willingness (41:03).

Saints at Buccaneers

• Saints pass defense has stifled most WRs/QBs (48:15). Bucs want to lean on the run.
• Bucky Irving: Must start over most fringe RB2s/flexes.
• A Mecca Buka: Volume keeps him in high-end WR2 range, but ceiling capped unless Evans (Q) sits (50:03).
• Godwin/Evans: If Evans plays, both are WR3/flexes; if out, Godwin a safer floor WR2/3.

Washington Commanders at Minnesota Vikings

• Jayden Daniels: Top 12, but temper ceiling. Vikings D has shut down recent QBs.
• Terry McLaurin: Number two WR, but matchup is tough; risk/reward (58:45).
• TJ Hawkinson/Zach Ertz: Only start if desperate—go with other streaming TEs (63:53).
• RBs: Chris Rodriguez for floor in non-PPR, Devin Neal in PPR; neither a must-start (60:33).

Rams at Cardinals

• Matt Stafford, Puka Nacua, Davante Adams, Kyren Williams: All firm starts. Kyren is still low-end RB1 due to role (70:38).
• Blake Corum: Deep-league flex if blowout is expected (71:13).
• Cardinals WRs:
  • If Marvin Harrison and Dortch are out, Michael Wilson and Trey McBride are must-starts. Dortch is a deep dart throw if he practices (72:42).
  • Jacoby Brissett is a viable streamer if you need a safe QB1 play (71:53).

Seattle Seahawks at Atlanta Falcons

• JSN, Bijan Robinson, and Kyle Pitts: JSN is strong, Pitts is a desperation low-end TE1 in PPR, Bijan is obvious (75:44).

• Ken Walker: Still a low-end RB2/flex, but touchdown dependency and committee usage remain concerns.

  “I like [Ken Walker] better than Saquon Barkley this week.” — Jamie (77:51)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Saquon Barkley:

“He’s not in my top 12. He’s not in my top 15 ... So I don’t love the setup for him, but you’re going to start him because it’s Saquon Barkley.” — Jamie (26:57)

• On the spread in Packers-Bears:

“You’d think that would be a closer spread. The Bears are the better team based on record.” — Jamie (40:31)

• On Christian Watson's evolving opportunity:

“Seventeen targets in his last two games ... That’s always been his downfall, not getting chances.” — Jamie (42:04)

• On the overall NFC slate:

“None of these games deserve [Game of the Week]. None of them on today’s slate, I’ll tell you that.” — Adam (19:55)

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Important Timestamps by Segment

• Thursday Recap/Gibbs/St. Brown: 01:22–05:48
• Jayden Daniels League Winner Debate: 11:42–13:51
• Injury/Roster News: 13:51–16:41
• Start/Sit Lightning-Round by Game: 19:01–23:31
• In-depth Eagles/Chargers Preview: 25:14–35:22
• Packers-Bears RB/WR Deep Dive: 36:46–45:12
• Saints-Bucs Wideout/Backfield Landscape: 48:15–57:13
• Vikings-Commanders WR Hierarchy & QBs: 58:21–65:14
• Rams-Cardinals Rundown: 69:13–75:34
• Seahawks-Falcons Final Thoughts: 75:44–79:04

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Quickfire: Notable Start/Sit Decisions

• Jayden Daniels ranked top-12; must-start over fields like Sam Darnold, but not over Burrow (12:15, 65:12).
• Vikings RBs: Jordan Mason would be the start of the week if Aaron Jones sits (68:48).
• Devonta Smith: Play over shallow flyers, but bench in favor of WR1-caliber volume players (29:08).
• Jacoby Brissett: Use as a safe top-8 QB streamer if you’re nervous about weather for Burrow/etc. (71:53).
• Ken Walker: Start if thin, but prepare for flex-level production and risk.

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Listener Mailbag (Abbreviated)

• Start both Bears RBs (Swift/Manangai) if you have to—acceptable in desperate, bye-heavy weeks (45:25).
• Startups/flex contests: "Flowers or Odunze? Odunze/Flowers. Kyle Menangai, T. Higgins or Aaron Jones? If Jones practices, go him." (46:02)
• Quick-hitters for tough WR2/3 and RB2/Flex calls at the end of each preview.

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Final Notes & Recommendations

• Monitor injury updates over the weekend: Several pivotal pass catchers and RBs are “questionable” or game-time decisions that will swing depth plays (Evans, Harrison, Dortch, Lamb, Hampton, Walker, etc.).
• Prepare backup Monday Night pivots if starting Eagles or Chargers skill players due to injury uncertainty at RB/QB.

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Closing Encouragement

The episode ends with reminders to tune in for Sunday Q&A, check for last-minute news, and a rally for votes in the 64.com bracket finals, plus camaraderie and banter (“It’s so cold today...I hate you guys in Florida.” — Adam, 24:04).

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For a detailed breakdown, recommendations, and all critical game pivots, use the timestamps above to jump to that matchup or player discussion!

Transcript

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[Jamie]

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[Adam]

And we welcome you to the Friday edition of Fantasy Football today presented by BetMGM. Big and legendary. We had 74 points last night and neither quarterback really had that good of a game. Jameer Gibbs hogged all the fantasy production, basically. And there were some other good performances as well.

[Dave]

Sure.

[Adam]

All of you started Ryan Flournoy and Isaac Tesla. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Dave and Jamie. What's up, Dave?

[Dave]

I did start Ryan Flournoy. Shout out to Homewood Flossmore's own Ryan Flournoy. I'm tanking in our Dynasty league, so I'm trying to not score points. So I started Ryan Flournoy and now I'm winning in a game that I absolutely need to lose.

[Adam]

And Jamie, let's talk about your Isaac Tesla journey throughout the week.

[Dave]

Yes, Journey.

[Jamie]

It ended poorly because once. Once Amon Raw St Brown was active. I dropped all of my Isaac Tesla shares and went to gas. And it was. It was. It was rough. It was rough watching him score a touchdown because there's a few leagues where I actually needed him.

[Adam]

It's so funny. I mean, I. I can't imagine that people were. People must have dropped him, you know, then I saw him dropped in a number of leagues. And Tesla ended up being started in 8% of leagues. He's 22% rostered. Amon Ross St. Brown was started in 60% of leagues. He had six catches, 92 yards, and a touchdown. And he did play 92% of the snap. So we'll start with that. We have six games to preview today. Eagles at the Chargers Monday night. Is this going to be a good fantasy game or kind of a dud? Chicago's at Green Bay might also be kind of a low scoring game. We'll see. Saints are at the Bucks, Washington's at Minnesota, the Rams are at Arizona, and Seattle is at Atlanta. It's not.

[Dave]

Wow, what a. What a schedule.

[Adam]

I know. I mean, fantasy is great because it doesn't really matter, but these are not.

[Jamie]

I don't know.

[Dave]

Well, we still have. We still have the Bengals and the Bills, and that's going to be an awesome game. Tons of points, very high scoring. So looking forward to that one.

[Adam]

Did I say that Amon Ra got a touchdown? Because if I did, I didn't mean that. Tesla had it.

[Dave]

He touched his feet down in bounds many times.

[Adam]

You look great. I mean, I've. I have no regrets starting. I don't have any Saint Brown, but I don't think you could have any regrets starting him. He looked like.

[Jamie]

Oh, I mean, I have him in. In two leagues, one of which I just handcuffed him with Tesla. So that was an easy one. But, yeah, I started him and was, you know, the. The struggle for me wasn't necessarily starting him. It was ranking him, you know, and obviously the majority of the world does not have that issue, but I put him right in the top 10. You know, I'm always concerned about, you know, these type of situations because you didn't know if he was going to be a decoy. The video, you know, that. That Jeremy Fowler sent out, he looked fantastic. I was like, my gosh, like, if this is the decoy, okay, I'll take my chances and hopefully everybody doesn't get burned by it. And thankfully, he had a, you know, and he had an awesome game without a touchdown. You know, you get 15 PPR points without a touchdown, 14 PBR points at a touchdown. Like you're thrilled with that.

[Dave]

Yeah. Especially since 24 hours ago, we weren't sure if we were even gonna have him.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

So hopefully you started him if you didn't I get the trepidation, but he's just so dang good. And I thought, I thought Jameson Williams played really well too. Yeah, lots, lots of intermediate hitch routes where his timing was there with Jared Goff. Like he's just a stud too. So this receiving core moving forward, it's condensed because there's no Laporta. And I just, I think that they're going to continue to just keep firing away.

[Adam]

Well, golf and Prescott combined for 39.2 fantasy points. I believe in six point per passing touchdown leagues. And you make that PPR. Jameer Gibbs had 37, so he almost scored as many points as the two quarterbacks combined. He probably outscored them in four point per passing touchdown leagues. So I was looking at the FFT open all 24 leagues and surprisingly, about half of the Jameer Gibbs managers did not make the playoffs, which is the top four. And he's been so up and down. I mean, his last eight games, seven and a half. 36.8, 5.8, 38.2, 19.6, 55.4, 11.6, 37. But there's not much to say about Jamir Gibbs. Jamie, is there anything to say about. I mean, how about the quarterbacks being disappointing in this game? Are you gonna. Do you still have confidence in them going forward? Golf is at the Rams next week and Prescott has Minnesota at home.

[Jamie]

No hesitation whatsoever. You know, I mean, clearly, if you have maybe, you know, Joe Burrow or Jane Daniels, those guys have been dropped in portions of the season because of injuries and you pick them up and Daniels has a great game this week and then gets the Giants next week like you'll probably want to. So if that's a tough call for you, I get it. Joe Burrow, I don't know who they play next week, but if he has another big game against Bills, you want to.

[Adam]

Baltimore, right?

[Jamie]

Oh, Baltimore again. Yeah, you want to start him too. So those are probably the only scenarios for me at least. You know, like I, I like Jacoby Brissette a lot. This week he was ranked behind those two guys. Most likely he'll be behind those two guys again next week because of his matchup against Houston. So I don't think there's many scenarios where you're not going to trust the two of them. Now, again, trust versus league winning week, that's probably a different conversation. So, you know, golf's. The nice thing about golf is he's indoors rest of way, you know, so his, his road games at Minnesota, I believe at the Rams, right?

[Adam]

At the Rams home against Pittsburgh and at Minnesota.

[Jamie]

Yeah. So you don't have to worry about any weather concerns for him. And Dak obviously just did not have the, the multiple touchdowns that we're used to seeing. And you know, Lamb leaving basically at halftime probably played into that. And you know, Pickens just having a dud. So I'm still perfectly fine with both those guys. Okay.

[Adam]

And then just last thing, we'll talk about Flournoy on the waiver wire show. Because Lamb has the concussion, he does have about a week and a half to get back. Not quite a week and a half, but close to face Minnesota, who's been great against wide receivers, but Flournoy, you know, we've had stretches without CD Lamb, but only two of those games did he actually play a lot. And in those two games he played a decent amount. 64% of the routes, 74% of the routes. And he had nine targets and one, he had a huge game against the Jets. This is Ryan Flournoy. We're talking about 18.4 fantasy points. And then he had three catches for 30 yards on six targets at Carolina with 73.5% route participation rate. But the good thing is his, his target per out run rate has been really good, including last night. So I actually think like you look at the four games he played without CD Lamb, throw away the first two. Cause he didn't really play that much after that. You, you've got a guy that if CD Lamb is going to miss next week, you might be able to turn to Ryan Flournoy, who's on the field. He gets targeted, runs the routes and looked great last night.

[Jamie]

Just, just keep in mind we are in the playoffs, so the amount of teams playing are different and the talent on those teams should hopefully be good enough. Where you might want to roster Flournoy in case this is a long term concussion situation. But I don't know how many people will need to start. You're not wrong with anything you said, but just in terms of where we are in the season, I don't know how many people. Unless you're stuck and the CD Lamb manager potentially is going to pivot to, you know, starting somebody off the waiver like that.

[Dave]

I agree. Plus we've got 10 days between now and the Cowboys next game. I think that's enough time for Lamb to clear the protocol. We don't know how severe the concussion is. Obviously you can't speculate on that, but I'd say he has a chance to play next week.

[Adam]

I'm Just okay. Yeah, of course he does. Of course he does. But the good thing about Flournoy is that he, he, he has a high, a good target per hour, not a high, good target per out run rate. Which means if he gets on the field, he can draw targets and we want that.

[Jamie]

It's, it's almost the exact argument we had for, or I made, I'll say for Tesla. You're being attached to a great offense with a quarterback that's going to throw the ball, that clearly trusts this guy. It's different because we, we didn't see this type of game from Tesla. The only difference would be is that the reason I liked Tesla going into this game was the Cowboys. Yeah, you're not going to like a backup wide receiver going against Minnesota.

[Adam]

He actually played 77.4% of the snaps. Isaac Tesla, which is the second most this year behind last week when St. Brown left. This guy hasn't played more than 50% of the snaps in any game with Amon Ross. St. Brown and he was on the field a ton last night. So with their injuries at tight end, maybe that continues. Although I will say they've had games recently where they have not gone with a lot of like heavy tight end sets. Just one tight end at their end. Tesla hasn't really been on the field nearly as much. So they clearly made a point to get him on the field. He only got three targets. One of them was.

[Jamie]

I'm sure we have no idea what's going to happen because St. Brown did not practice at all. And so they had, I'm sure, a lot of different things that they were working with to keep whoever was going to play St. Brown's role, whether that was going to be jmo, whether that was going to be Tesla, whether that was going to be Kennedy. They're probably going to switch things up a little bit next week. But I do think that similar to Flournoy, you want to have some shares of Tesla going into that game against the Rams, which is going to be high scoring.

[Adam]

I'm sure Tesla shares have been pretty good. Let's see. 454. Yeah, I don't know what they're doing for the year. Year to date. Oh, up almost 20%. Okay.

[Jamie]

New last night helped.

[Dave]

Sure.

[Adam]

What'd you say?

[Jamie]

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[Jamie]

We did.

[Dave]

We already did. Oh, where top 12 in our rankings.

[Jamie]

On the site CBSsports.com I'll check that.

[Dave]

I, I put him 10th.

[Jamie]

I, you know what, I think I had him 10th or 11th. I thought he's had him like top five.

[Adam]

All right, let's take a look here. I have the updated rankings. Jaden Daniels, tough matchup at Minnesota. 11th for Jamie, 10th for Dave and fifth for Heath. I thought about this because when Joe Burrow came back, I feel like, man, we were really excited. Like, damn, you gotta, you have to get Joe Burrow.

[Jamie]

He's good.

[Adam]

He could win you your league. Jaden Daniels was ranked, was drafted ahead of Joe burrow. He's only 77 roster, it's later in the year, so maybe people have stopped. But do we have that same, same excitement about him, Jamie just being a league winner going forward?

[Jamie]

Absolutely. Like again, you have, if I'm not mistaken, the Giants next week and then the Cowboys in the fantasy championship.

[Adam]

Yeah, it's Giants, Eagles, Cowboys.

[Jamie]

Right. So you go, tough matchup, Great matchup. Somewhat tough matchup. Great matchup. And so for Daniels, look, he has not lived up to expectations when healthy. Now part of that is Terry McLaren not being on the field. And so I think if you, what you're hoping for is the blueprint we saw last week of Mario to high volume. His rushing numbers have been great. He was over 40 rushing RG to the last two games that he started. So that's Daniel's range for sure. And so if he's gonna run and they're not concerned about risk of, you know, the, the left elbow injury again. Yeah, for. Absolutely could be a league winner. So you Know, to say the excitement level. I mean, I. I don't. I. I think this kind of snuck up on people, clearly, you know, because Burrow. Burrow gave you a date. He was like, I'm coming back Thanksgiving. He beat the deadline or. No, he. He was. He played the game. He said he was gonna be, but he gave us a. We had the report up was a deadline of he's playing Thanksgiving night. Everybody knew to, you know, go get him. We've been saying this in the waiver wire in the shallow leagues, you know, I don't know how many times we had to go over it. Like, I've been listing him there for a month, so I think just a lot of it is. You couldn't stash him in an Irish, but it's a difference.

[Adam]

Yeah, he hasn't really had a huge season when he's played, but he's only played two games with McLaurin anyway. More on Jaden Daniels later. Justin Herbert, you know, hopefully we'll know by Sunday. He's planning on playing Daniel Jones. Good to go. And running back news. Aaron Jones remains limited in practice. Ken Walker has been limited. It's nothing new for him. We're not expecting Camara. Dylan Sampson missed practice again. Omarion Hampton is expected to play. That's pretty much it. Still no Trey Benson, and Amari Di Mercado has been practicing. Wide receiver news. Still no Marvin Harrison. Greg Dortch also missing practice. So keep an eye on that. Got the mailbag later today. Hopefully we'll have some updates. Just me and Dan on the mailbag today, but hopefully we'll have some updates. T. Higgins practiced in full, I believe, right?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

Okay. So that's great news for Higgins. Are you guys ranking Mike Evans yet?

[Dave]

No.

[Jamie]

No. I thought Josh Grizzard. Grizzard, however you say his last name.

Sort of indicated that it might be too soon for Evans and McMillan to play this week.

[Adam]

Okay. All right, well, we got that game coming up.

[Jamie]

Later.

[Adam]

Drake London still absent from practice.

[Jamie]

Do you really want to trust the guy that said limited snaps for Bucky Irving? And then he plays 52 of snaps and was awesome.

[Adam]

Is that limited? That's kind of limited, though.

[Jamie]

It's. It's.

[Dave]

He had limited snaps.

[Jamie]

It's his lowest snapshare of the season. But again, when he's out there, he got touches like I always get. You know, I. I hate with snap counts when guys are. They're playing, they're touching the ball, you know, so he wasn't out there to. To pass block and. And Be a decoy. He was out there. When he was out there. He was.

[Dave]

He had a high touch to snap ratio.

[Adam]

Someone's asking for Hampton News. I said Hampton's expected to play tonight. This week.

[Dave]

Tonight.

[Adam]

And that's the first game we're going to preview. Parker Washington did get back to practice yesterday. Quentin Johnson was limited with a shoulder. Chris Olave. Oh, I'm sorry. Did he practice? He did practice, right, Olave?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Adam]

He got back in there. That's good. Pat Bryant popped up with a hamstring injury. He was limited. And Romo Dunes A has still been out. Jamie's picking up Luther Burden, who's pretty widely available, but Romo Dunes.

[Jamie]

No, no, no. Just picked him up because I had to make some sort of pivot from all my Tesla shares. And I did do that. I did pick up Burden specifically for that reason. Not with the. Oh, my God. Romo Dunes is out. There were a few leagues where I actually picked up somebody just as a placeholder for a few players that were on waivers that will clear waivers for Saturday. So. Gotcha. Trying to make some moves.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Dave]

We talked about Burden on the beat the waiver wire video that we did yesterday. Check that out on YouTube. And what, five or more targets in three straight games? His route run rate is going up. That's a, that's a good stash.

[Adam]

At wide receiver, Luther Burden is averaging as many yards per target as Jalen Waddle. And just behind CD Lamb, he's, I think top 15 in yards per target. All right. And Josh Downs practiced in full. Dalton Kincaid remains limited. I think we're pretty optimistic that he's going to play and we'll talk about like, Arizona's got so many defensive injuries right now. We're also looking at, you know what, we'll just get to it during the games. All right, so we're going to take a break and one question for each game when we come back. Also, we're in the finals. We'll tell you how to vote when we come back as well. Be right back.

[Jamie]

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[Adam]

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[Jamie]

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[Adam]

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[Jamie]

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[Adam]

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[Adam]

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[Jamie]

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[Adam]

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[Jamie]

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[Dave]

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[Jamie]

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[Adam]

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[Adam]

Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. One question for each game. Philadelphia at the Chargers Dave is this going to be a good game for fantasy? What do you think?

[Dave]

I'm nervous about that. I don't know if it's going to be a very good game. We've got an Eagles team that scored 21 or fewer in four straight games. This might be the toughest defense the Chargers have faced since like week three when they took on Denver. The total isn't very high. I've got some concerns about it being a bonanza. I don't think it will be. Actually.

[Adam]

I've made a decision just now. There will not be a game of.

[Dave]

The week today that you're so full.

[Adam]

No, none of the you are so.

[Dave]

Full of a certain type of mushroom.

[Adam]

None of these games deserve it. None of them on today's slate, I'll tell you that.

[Dave]

Yeah, right. Something's coming. I even gave you. I gave you the. The rope to do it. Dave, earlier on this show. You didn't do it.

[Adam]

You were unavailable. You were unavailable for the Wednesday show. We previewed the Thursday game. You took away my game of the week. I can't.

[Jamie]

I was gonna. I was gonna tell you. If the game last night had lived up to expectations, you should have did like a retro.

[Dave]

That was retroactive game of the week. That would have been hilarious. Why didn't you do that, Jamie? That would have been hilarious.

[Jamie]

Because it wasn't the game of the week. Yeah, it wasn't. It was the Jameer Gibbs of the week.

[Adam]

All right, Chicago's at Green Bay. Can you trust Jamie? Can you trust the Chicago running backs?

[Jamie]

Trust.

No. Start. Yes.

[Adam]

Okay. Let's go to New Orleans at Tampa Bay. I'll stay with Jamie here. Are you going to start a Bucks wide receiver in this game?

[Jamie]

I'm starting a Buca no matter what. So even if Evans comes back, I still think a book is worth using as a number two receiver. And the best games that he's had this season have been when there's been some level of an alpha. For the most part, early in the year, it was his best games with Evans.

Not starting Godwin outside of three receiver leagues. And I won't start Evans probably at all. Washington, he'll start. He'll be a starter in theory.

[Adam]

Okay, Washington's in Minnesota. Dave, is there a must start player in this game?

[Dave]

There's a bunch of players that are likely starts. But to say like a top 12 player or a top five tight end or a quarterback. No, there's not. There really isn't. But no, stop it. Justin Jefferson is still a number two wide receiver. There just weren't enough wide receivers that I liked better. So he's in that mix. Zach Ertz and PPR is a top 12 tight end. If you squint real hard, maybe Aaron Jones will make the top 24 running back once it's clear that he's going to play.

[Jamie]

And. Oh, well, wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Dave]

There is one must start. Terry McLaurin.

[Adam]

Oh, well, gosh. Have you seen the wide receivers against Minnesota lately though?

[Dave]

I. I'm just buying into McLaurin with an upgrade at quarterback. He looked amazing last week. I'm. I can't get away from him.

[Adam]

Yeah, Jackson, Smith, jig. But just said four targets, but I Understand, who's a, who's a better start at his position? Jaden Daniels or Terry McLaurin?

[Dave]

It's a close one.

[Jamie]

All right, I, I would take, I would take Daniels.

[Dave]

I think I would, too, but I like them both.

[Adam]

All right, the Rams are at the Cardinals. I'm operating under the assumption that Trey Benson is not playing starter. Sit. Donovan Knight.

[Dave]

Low end, number two running back.

[Jamie]

Certainly better if D. Mercado remains out, but. Oh, yeah, I, I agree. I think again, I, I don't know how many times I've said this on, on this show. And, and I mentioned again yesterday, like, I think it's two games since Benson has been out where he has not gotten at least 9.4 PPR points. And so if that's the floor, you'll take that as a flex all day long. Yeah. Yep.

[Dave]

13 or more PPR and three straight touchdown and three straight. Three or more catches and three straight. And this should be, this is a high scoring game, I think.

[Adam]

All right, that's Donovan Knight we're talking about. And Seattle's at Atlanta. Dave, starter.

[Jamie]

Sit.

[Adam]

Ken Walker.

[Dave]

Reluctantly. You'll start him as a number two running back.

[Adam]

A lot of involvement in the passing game lately for Ken Walker. We're going to hope that continues. All right, Sunday, join us as we help you set your lineups from 11am Eastern until 1pm [e-mail] fantasy football today, if you're not busy Sunday morning, why aren't you hanging out with us? We have a good time. We answer a ton of questions, we give you some clarity, and we'll obviously check the weather, too, because I don't know that there's any bad weather this weekend, but there's a lot of cold weather. Cincinnati at Buffalo might be bad. Oh, man. Come on.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Adam]

Yeah. It's so cold today. You. I hate you guys in Florida. I hate you.

[Dave]

I mean, I'm wearing long sleeves.

[Jamie]

My, my, my son. We're going to a baseball tournament in central Florida and it's going to be, I mean, we had to pack, like, sweaters. That's like 65.

[Adam]

How much?

[Jamie]

Like 65. Yeah.

[Adam]

I understand with my family, when it's 65 degrees, they're like, I can't even go outside. Like, I hate you. All right. And then, of course, vote for us, please. At the 64.com final round, the voting begins today. We're in the championship. Let's take it home. And we, we have advanced past the Tony Cone. Tony. Tony Kornheiser show. We've faced some really, really stiff competition. And, and now we have the power trip in the finals. So please vote for fantasy football today. Go to the64.com it's so easy to vote. You've gotten us this far. Let's just go ahead and finish it. All right, let's go to the Eagles at the Chargers on Monday night. Here's a wow stat for you here. The chargers have held five straight quarterbacks to 165 or fewer passing yards. That's Wentz, Cam, Ward Rogers, Trevor Lawrence and Geno Smith. Okay.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Dave]

Murderers row.

[Adam]

It's still impressive though. And they've seen, for whatever reason, the Chargers have seen by far the fewest plays run against them over the last five games. You know, about 48ish plays per game, which is insanely low. Anyway. Jamie, your faith in the Eagles offense. Jalen, let's say Jalen hurts. Yeah, all of the Eagles, I think people are going to struggle to start Goddard, but the other Eagles, are you putting them in your lineups?

[Jamie]

I'm not getting cute with Jalen Hurts. Obviously he's still been one of the better fantasy quarterbacks, so top 10 should be there. Once again, stick with the passing game. A.J. brown's become back to a must start wide receiver clearly and hopefully that continues. The targets for the most part have been consistent all season. The production is starting to match that. So top 10 wide receiver, Devonte Smith, I think you just treat him as a number two receiver. You know, Dave was mentioning about Justin Jefferson like I think he's just a low end number two receiver. You know, last week's game was frustrating, but you know he has the potential to pop off at any time. And so I think this is going to be a game where they have to throw again because I don't think this is going to be a great rushing attack for Saquon Barkley because the offensive line concerns and how good the Chargers have been at times defending the run, we've seen them struggle. The Jacksonville game, for example, they were bad. But I don't think that Saquon right now is playing well enough because of circumstances. And last week not involved in the passing game was awful. So he's been now, I think it's four games in a row, 13 PPR points or fewer. He has not scored a touchdown since week eight. I believe it is. And so you're looking at a, a number two running back. And I know you're still going to start him because it's Saquon Barkley.

I, I, he's not in my top 12. He's not in my top 15, you know, so I don't, I don't love the setup for him, which I think lends itself to Jalen hurts having to carry the offensive share again.

[Adam]

Yeah. Would you start? Let's remember we did RJ Harvey and Ashton Genti in that game.

[Jamie]

Both of them over Saquon Barkley.

[Dave]

For me, in ppr, I mean the.

[Adam]

Chargers run defense, it wasn't just the Jacksonville game. It was three straight weeks where they struggled against the run. And then last week against the Raiders, they were great against the run. So Barkley has Raiders. What'd you say?

[Dave]

Yeah, I know it's the Raiders and their offensive line is Swiss cheese at this point. I, I do agree that the offensive line is an issue for Philadelphia. If the game script is low scoring back and forth defensive battle, that should open the door for Saquon to at least get north of 15 carries. Maybe he can average four, four and a half yards per carry, maybe breaks a couple and he hasn't scored since week eight, so maybe he's due. Maybe they give him a carry inside the five, but not at the one and that gives him a chance to be decent this week. I'm with Jamie. I don't think he's a top 12 running back, but I'm. I also agree that everybody's starting Saquon Barkley. Unless you've been waiting for Bucky Irving to come back, you fell backwards into RJ Harvey. Something like that would probably be the only way you might actually put Saquon on your bench.

[Adam]

Okay. We never really talk about Devonte Smith, but I wanted to bring up on him. He only has six red zone, one green zone and five end zone targets. Only one of the five end zone targets was from closer than 13 yards out. He has three touchdowns this season. Devonte Smith and this stat blows my mind. The Philadelphia Eagles have 14.

Green zone targets as a team. Devonte Adams has 20.

So it's just hard, it's hard for Devonte Smith to score touchdowns. It does limit him and he's, he's been single digit fantasy points And I think six of 11 games with A.J. brown and the Chargers have. Chargers are really good against wide receivers. They're really good. I understand not sitting AJ Brown, but I don't have any devonte Smith, but I imagine I'd be trying to get away from him.

[Jamie]

Yeah, he's like if you. I'm. I'm not starting and I. Mitchell or Devon Vale or Jaden Higgins, like those type of guys over him. But I think you can make a strong argument for Jacoby Myers and Christian Watson and Alec Pierce and those type of guys because they've been productive, you know, Pierce for a month, Watson for two of his last three games, Myers for his last two games. You know, like they're in, in, in the case for sure for two of them and maybe the case for Pierce now. Like they're the number one guys on their team, whereas Smith clearly is not.

[Dave]

I'll give you the case for devonte Smith. And I, I look at him as a low end two wide receiver. He's Philly's zone beater. They usually, he usually has better games when they take on predominant zone coverage defenses. And that's what the Chargers are. That's actually a strike against AJ Brown, who scored last week on man to man coverage plays against Chicago. It's, it's not with a lot of confidence though that I would say, all right, you've got to start devonte Smith and Sid AJ Brown. It's. I don't think it's going to be a high scoring game. I don't think there's going to be a lot of touchdown opportunities there. I think if you start Devonte Smith, you're hoping for four or five catches, 75 yards outside chance that he does break a long one. That gives him more like 100 yards or something like that. But he is the guy that Philadelphia turns to against zone coverage more often than not.

[Adam]

Yeah, he's always got big play potential for sure. All right, assuming. Sit Dallas Goddard, you can correct me if I'm wrong. Chargers are six best against the. Against tight ends. All right, so that brings us to the Chargers and what an interesting. We don't even know who their quarterback or their.

[Jamie]

I guess Herbert's playing.

[Dave]

I think Herbert's playing.

[Adam]

He keeps saying that he's preparing as if he's going to play, but I.

[Jamie]

Mean he was taking snaps under center yesterday to try and see how that was going to work. Like I. Unless it's just a, a significant setback between now and Monday night, I'd be surprised.

[Adam]

Me too. But there's a lot of uncertainty here and also uncertainty of how well he's going to play, if he's even going to be in the game on say like a fourth and one or at the, you know, if he's going to be able to play under center at all or they're gonna have to take him out for Lance. And then there's the Hampton situation. So Jamie, who are you starting on The Chargers.

[Jamie]

So the Jalen Carter news definitely makes things better for the running back in Los Angeles for the Chargers. Now the question is, if it's just Vidal right now I have him as a sit and start sit. He will be removed and you will start him as at least number two running back. If it's Hampton, I'll probably use Hampton as a low end number two running back and you know, be excited to start him. But we're probably going to see some sort of split which may not be even in his favor because of what Vidal has done and what he's coming off of the last game that he played. So it's going to be a little bit messy. So you hope that if you're the Chargers and the coaching staff there, like what makes the most sense? Best defensive run, stop or missing for Philadelphia quarterback with broken hand. First round running back comes back to health and you have a guy in his backup that's been playing well, run the ball a lot. And so could we see sort of a Chicago game plan of just a lot of both running backs and maybe both have the chance to be successful? That remains to be seen because his offensive line is clearly not as good as Chicago's. But I think there's opportunities here because of Carter not being there to lean on their ground game. So I'll treat Hampton as a low end number two running back and Vidal is at best of flex. If Vidal is by himself, I think he's a number two running back and you should have some confidence in him because of what the situation is. But really this is a the best that we've seen fight out. And so however you think this game is going to play out. But the best we've seen by doubt is when they've won by double digits aside from the Miami game, that's when he's been as best. So yeah, Pittsburgh game, they won by 10 plus points. Last week's game by 10 plus points. There's one that I missed before Jacksonville where they had a double digit win. Vikings.

[Adam]

Vikings.

[Jamie]

They destroyed, you know. So when he's been at his best is when they've dominated time possession, when they've had opportunities to play with a lead. They're two and a half point favorites at home and two and a half.

[Adam]

Dogs, two and a half point dogs.

[Jamie]

Two and a half point underdogs. Yes, that, that's tough to say that that's the best situation for Vidal. Right.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Dave]

There's another problem and you touched on it, Jamie, but I, I thought the offensive line for The Chargers, while it was tad better than where it was before their buy, I don't think they were great blocking on runs, and I think they wore down against the pass rush as the game went on. And that was against the Raiders. And now it's Philadelphia and I get it. No Jalen Carter.

[Jamie]

I.

[Dave]

Obviously that's a good thing for the Chargers. Although, like a hurt Jalen Carter might have hurt the Eagles more than if he just hadn't played. Byron Young will take his place, I think, on the defensive line and he and Jordan Davis will play more snaps. I. I am worried about that offensive line creating space for either running back and they might have to get it done like catching the ball. And I wonder if that's where the Chargers try and go with that. And so one of the things I need to look at is how have running backs done catching passes against Philadelphia this year? And. And can that be something the Chargers can take advantage of? Because that's something that both Vidal and Omarion Hampton can do.

[Adam]

I mean, it's some good, some bad. I'm looking at it right now.

[Dave]

I figured it was going to be like that.

[Adam]

They. They allow the six most receiving yards per game to running backs, the Eagles, but it's not, you know, like, it's not everybody. It's not like bad pass catching. Running backs have good games against them. Okay, finishing up here on this game, lad McConkey is probably the best start for the Chargers. He's a top 20 wide receiver. He's in between A.J. brown and Devonte Smith. I don't think we want to start Quentin Johnston Orande. Gadsden is about 12th in the rankings. Heath is a little bit higher, has him ninth. Jamie 11 13th for Dave on a ronde. Gadsden Eagles are against tight ends. They allow the fourth fewest fantasy points. So you can start. Correct me if I'm wrong. Start Brenton Strange and Dalton Schultz over Gadsden this week.

[Dave]

Yep, yep, yep.

[Adam]

Start Juwan Johnson over Gadsden.

[Jamie]

Yep, yep.

[Adam]

Kyle Pitts if London's out 100%.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

I just think you have to have some hesitation with this Chargers offense given the fact that their quarterback has a broken hand and their offensive line is bad. All right.

[Dave]

And if for any reason Herbert does not play, I don't know how you could feel good starting any pass catcher.

[Adam]

True.

[Jamie]

Oh, for sure. Yeah. But the problem is you got to make that decision on Sunday and we.

[Adam]

Won'T know Barkley or Juwan Johnson. Full ppr.

[Jamie]

Barkley. Barkley. But my gosh, this is where we are.

[Adam]

AJ Brown or Quinshon Judkins? PPR AJ Brown.

[Dave]

I'd go AJ Brown.

[Adam]

Devonte Smith or Brian Thomas Jr. Devonte.

[Jamie]

I mean you could have said Brashard Smith and I might have gone that way.

[Adam]

Zay Flowers or devonte Smith.

[Dave]

Devonte.

[Adam]

I would start devonte Smith over AJ Brown based off Dave's info. No, Dave didn't.

[Dave]

I can't even. I can't do that either. Just because the Chargers won't play zone every single snap. And that's. I mean, that's the thing. All it takes is a handful of man to man coverage snaps and Hertz catches them and A.J. brown goes to town.

[Adam]

Harvey or Videl?

[Jamie]

Harvey.

[Dave]

Agreed.

[Adam]

If. If Hampton's out though, which we are still.

[Dave]

Harvey.

[Adam]

Harvey.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

Kamani Vidal or Korean.

[Dave]

Just do well against the Raiders on 11 huge run.

[Adam]

Vidal or Kareem Hunt?

[Jamie]

Unless it's Hampton.

[Dave]

I might take Vidal over. Over Hunt anyway.

[Adam]

And Hertz or Burrow. Four point per passing.

[Jamie]

Touchdown Bro Joe.

[Adam]

All right, start the Eagles DST Chargers DST Next game, Chicago's at Green Bay. Here is your pace alert. Caleb Williams is on pace for 3,856 yards. It doesn't look like we're going to get a 4,000 yard passer for the first time in Bears history. All right, stat of the game. These are the Bears running back carries since week six. They had a buy in week five. They got very run heavy after that. Now remember, they're splitting pretty close to 50, 50. So here's the running back carries game by game for the Bears. 20, 33, 18, 31, 2034, 2040. It's kind of day one. Powerball.

[Dave]

See you guys. I'm going to an island.

[Adam]

You know. You know what I'm getting at here? We need one of the 38 carry games, not one of the 20 carry games. So this is another tough game. Jamie, who do you trust in this game other than Josh Jacobs?

[Jamie]

Again, trust is is the the key word here. I'm starting Deandre Swift. I would flex Kyle Manangai. I would start Romo Dunes in three receiver leagues assuming he's healthy. And I'm starting Christian Watson in most likely all leagues at this point, but certainly three receiver leagues. So. And I think Jordan Love is worth starting to. So like you have some starts but again the word trust, it's probably just Jacobs.

[Adam]

Yeah. Oh, I hate this game. I feel like it could be really low scoring.

[Jamie]

Like I trust Dave, but I like you also, Adam. Like there's.

[Adam]

Yeah, I understand. I wouldn't trust me either. Packers are six and a half point favorites. Bears are going to try to run the ball on a team that's missing devonte Wyatt now big. Yeah, I've got a couple of games without Devonte. Yeah, a couple games without devonte Wyatt. Earlier this year for the packers, chase Brown had nine carries for 42 yards. Samaj P. Ryan six for 16. And then Bam Knight had 14 carries for 57 yards. Michael Carter had seven carries for 11 yards. So it didn't have a huge effect in those two games. But those were not good run offenses at that point. Cincinnati was not at Arizona. Hasn't been so different challenge this time against the Chicago Bears.

[Jamie]

Plus Ben Johnson knows this defense. You know, it's, it's, it's a familiarity of, of how to attack it. And I think just based on how this offensive line is performing and how these running backs are performing and again missing one of their best defensive linemen, like there's an opportunity here for them to build off what they did last week. And for the most part, DeAndre Swift has been awesome, you know, so he had the one blip two games ago, you know, so you're, you're talking about a, a guy that should be trusted as a number two running back. It's just the splits and how this game could potentially go.

[Adam]

Yeah, he also had a game with 21 carries for 90 yards at Minnesota, which ends up being a really good real game, but a bad fantasy game because these guys are not catching passes lately. Caleb Williams is just not throwing to his running backs the last three games. Almost like six running back targets or something crazy like that.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Dave Barkley or Swift?

[Dave]

Barkley over Swift. Because I don't, I don't think Barkley's gonna split much. And Swift, I worry about him scoring even though he did score against Philly last week. The only advantage that Swift has over Manangai as far as I'm concerned, is if the Bears are trailing, that's when you'll see Swift play more than Manangai. Short of that, they're going to rotate.

[Jamie]

I, I think that matters here based on the spread and where they are.

[Dave]

I agree. Because the spread seems a little funny.

[Adam]

Right.

[Dave]

You'd think that it would be a closer spread.

[Jamie]

I mean, the Bears are the better team based on record. And you would think that that's not a six and a half point underdog on the road. That's probably a three and a half point underdog road. Yeah.

[Adam]

I am surprised that it's a six and a half point spread.

[Dave]

Yeah, I think some of that is pumped up by narrative because a lot of people just do not believe that the Bears are as good as their record says they are.

[Adam]

The Bears are healthier on defense now with TJ Edwards limited practice, but also they got two defensive backs back last week, AJ Brown.

[Dave]

Good one.

[Adam]

Yes, but still helps.

[Dave]

Here's their biggest problem is they still can't rush the quarterback. Their pass rush, it's been, it's been anywhere from so, so to bad for God. It's probably going on like a half ever since they got rid of Khalil Mack and Jordan Love. And an example of this was last week. Anytime he has time to throw down field, he's going to take it and I think he's going to have time. And that's what makes me encouraged to start Jordan Love as a top 10 quarterback this week. It makes me encouraged to take the chance on Christian Watson to catch a couple of deep throws. I don't care who's covering him. Christian Watson can outrun anybody and Jordan Love can get him the ball. So I think as long as the weather cooperates, we're going to see a bunch of shots from Love downfield and, and I think it'll pay off for the Packers.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Adam]

Because I was going to ask why are you so high on or just, well, there you have it on Jordan Love and Christian Watson. So. All right, that's a good answer.

[Dave]

Yeah. The particulars on that are in this week's lineup decisions. If you want to read it on CBS Sports.com or on the free CBS Sports app.

[Jamie]

I think the the best part about Watson is 17 targets in his last two games. Like if you know he's getting opportunities, this is awesome. That's always been his downfall is that they don't give him chances. And giving him chances is certainly what we've been begging for. Now you may have a crowded receiving core this week if Jaden Reed and Matthew golden play, but I don't know how they go away from Watson. So.

[Dave]

Right.

[Jamie]

It's, it's a shift in philosophy for them since Tucker Kraft has gone down because they don't have that threat anymore. The tight end position has been non existent for them. And so I, you know, you get a potential wild card here with Don Tavian Wicks, who had a great game last week and does have seven plus targets into his last four. So can he be involved? And if he's involved, you'll consider him as a potential option in three or Sierra leagues. But then again, if we have Reed and Golden playing like it's hard to say, all these guys are going to get the same chances that they have been getting, you know, so Romeo Dobbs becomes even more risky. Wicks is certainly somebody you can't trust. I wouldn't rush Reed back into a lot of fantasy lineups yet. And Matthew Golden's clearly been a bust. Maybe in reality too. I don't want to say that because too soon, but they have not gotten their return on investment for drafting a wide receiver in the first round for the first time since 2002. I'm just hopeful that Watson still is locked into his role, which I can't imagine will change. So, you know, just given the opportunities here, I think there's a chance for him to be a good number two wide receiver.

[Adam]

I could imagine it changing because it changes all the time. In Green Bay, it looked like Romeo Dobbs had a solidified role and now Christian Watson's there and Jaden, he's.

[Jamie]

He's the. We said this since he. They drafted him like he's the difference maker that this team needed.

[Adam]

But he's also a mega downfield guy and it's like. And those guys aren't super reliable. He doesn't get. He gets hardly any layups, any easy targets. Is Christian Watson I'm talking about. He is your highest.

[Jamie]

But again, we talked about this with Alec Pierce yesterday. Like if you say he's getting so split the split, the take, the average. If, if that's going to happen again, we don't know. But if that's going to happen. If he's getting eight plus targets this.

[Adam]

Week, of course, if I.

[Dave]

But what if that number's five?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

What if they run the ball.

[Jamie]

I get it. But 30 times game sample size of him being more involved and it coincides with trying to figure out what to do without Tucker Craft there. They. They didn't really have an answer. Jordan Love looked lost for a couple games and this might be their best player.

[Adam]

Yeah, I hope so. But again, if Reed comes back, if golden comes back, that could affect.

[Jamie]

But they don't do the same things he does. Golden does, but he's not the same guy.

[Adam]

It doesn't really. Yeah, I get that. But it could take targets away.

[Dave]

I think that's what you're saying.

[Adam]

Of course. Yeah, they could take. And they could just throw less because they're six and a half. If they're actually six and a half point favorites, that's probably another one of these games. Where Jordan loves not throwing 30 times which is what makes me nervous about it. I think we Jordan love we.

[Jamie]

We disagree. I don't know. You know, public disagrees. Vegas certainly disagrees. We don't think that they're going to run away from the Bears.

[Adam]

I don't think so either but I do think that they're going to run the ball a ton and Love rarely throws more than 30 times. But all right. Anyway, it's not like you guys have Watson in your top 15. He's in the top 30. He is the highest ranked wide receiver in this game ahead of Romo Dunes. Let's finish off with some questions from the chat. Start the Green Bay DST.

[Dave]

If you must. Not one of my favorites.

[Adam]

Jaden Daniels and Jordan or Jordan.

[Jamie]

Love. Love.

[Dave]

I have love.

[Jamie]

Higher.

[Adam]

I'm hammered with week 14 buys. Is it crazy to start Swift and Manangai?

[Jamie]

No. I wish I did that last week instead of the Steelers and the one team where I have both back builds.

[Dave]

Yeah, like if your other options are are like Woody Marks or Facial Tootin Titans running back. I have no problem going with both Bears running backs.

[Adam]

Yeah, just the caution flag on the non guys. He scores a lot but if he doesn't score, he's getting almost zero catches typically. Right. He's typically getting zero catches and not that many carries. So it's. It's risky. Swift or Ken Walker?

[Dave]

Swift.

[Jamie]

Swift.

[Adam]

Oh, Dunesay or flowers?

[Dave]

I think I have flowers. Higher.

[Jamie]

I'll take flowers.

[Adam]

Kyle Menangai, T. Higgins or Aaron Jones? No, that's because that's Jaden Higgins. Let's just say because it's T. That's easy. But on Guy Jaden Higgins or Aaron Jones? Ppr.

[Jamie]

If Jones plays, I'll take him.

[Dave]

I think I would agree.

[Adam]

Swift or Jalen Waddle.

[Jamie]

Ppr.

[Adam]

I go out Caleb Williams or Lamar Jackson?

[Jamie]

Four point.

[Dave]

I have Caleb ahead of Lamar as of now. Two spots ahead.

[Adam]

Pick two. Olave T. Higgins. Christian Watson.

[Dave]

The first two.

[Jamie]

The first.

[Adam]

Romeo Dobbs or Troy Franklin or Juwan Johnson? Half ppr.

[Jamie]

I might go Joanne.

[Dave]

I would go Joanne too, but I would not cut Troy Franklin yet.

[Adam]

Odunze or Jacoby Myers.

[Jamie]

Myers.

[Dave]

I like Jacoby.

[Adam]

Okay. Christian Watson or Adonai Mitchell?

[Jamie]

Watson.

[Dave]

Watson. But Adonai Mitchell laughs at Christian Watson's targets over the last two games.

[Adam]

And yeah, we start the Packers DST but the Bears are actually really good against DSTs. They don't turn the ball over much. All right, we're going to take a break and we got four Games for you. Saints at Bucs. When we come back on fantasy football Today, here's my 32nd story with Guinness. As soon as my sister and I get home for the holidays, we don't even unpack.

[Dave]

We head straight to our pub.

[Jamie]

The bartender already knows our Guinness and fries.

[Dave]

We laugh all night, catch up with.

[Adam]

Old friends, and walk home with faces sore from smiling. It's one of my favorite nights of the year.

[Jamie]

That was my 32nd story with Guinness.

[Dave]

Guinness drafts out. Please enjoy responsibly imported by The Agio Beer Company, USA New York, NY.

[Adam]

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[Adam]

New Orleans at Tampa Bay. Five of the last six quarterbacks to face the Saints have been bad. Four of them have been terrible, including Baker Mayfield. And by the way, only six wide receivers have more than six targets all season long. Against the Saints, they see the second fewest pass attempts in the NFL. Dave, does that make you nervous? Because I think Bucky Irving is a layup here, but does that make you nervous about the passing game and starting those guys? Everyone from Baker on down against New.

[Dave]

Orleans, I mean, we did see this a couple of weeks ago when the Bucks went in there and their defense played great, had some turnovers and scored, and Baker didn't have to do a whole lot in the game against them. And that. That was the end of that. Baker didn't have a great fantasy game. He had a good game overall for. I mean, he helped the Bucks win, and we've seen a lot of games like that this year.

[Adam]

Yeah, it's. It's really interesting. The Bucks, I think they want to run, and they're struggling to pass. The Buccaneers in their last six games are averaging about 185 passing yards per game. It's insane. It's so bad. So, Jamie, give me. Give me a reason why I should start a mecca.

[Jamie]

Buka targets. I mean, they. They've been constant, you know, so you hope at some point they're going to Be there's going to be a big play or potentially two or he finds the end zone. It's just been frustrating, you know, so you know what the talent is, you know, that we'll see if Evans and or McMillan play this week and how that potentially changes some of the things that are happening in Tampa Bay. And, you know, Chris Godwin continuing to improve, but I do think that there's just still so much potential and upside. Like, it's hard to say he's a sit. So I think you just treat him as a number two receiver, you know, similar, you know, to me a little bit better, but like, similar to Devonte Smith, similar to.

Michael Pittman. You know, these type of guys that have shown you Cortland Sutton, you know, shown you great production at times this season, going to be heavily involved. But unfortunately there's just, you know, been a stretch right now for. For a buko where he's just not connecting. But I do think, you know, Baker showed that he's healthy and that's a. That's a plus. He's been much better at home this year than on the road. His history against New Orleans, you know, you threw out the Week 10 game or Week 8 game, whatever it was prior to that, he had dominated this team. Now, granted, different coach, but still dominated this team. And so hopefully history and scenario, assuming there's no rain or an issue with weather, like, we can get a big Baker Mayfield game here. They should be able to do whatever they want to. Like, they should be able to run.

[Adam]

Chance of rain. Chance of rain.

[Jamie]

Yeah. They. They should be able to do what they want to. I know. I know New Orleans and what the numbers say, but, like, I don't trust this defense. And I think, you know, when the Bucks are healthy, certainly their offensive line has been getting there like this. This. If. If you want to play this out from a, you know, most optimistic standpoint, this is throw the score, run to win. And, you know, they put up points early with the passing game and then Buck Irving seals it.

[Dave]

I wonder if the Bucks defense isn't good enough to completely shut down Tyler Shuck.

[Jamie]

Yes, it is.

[Dave]

I think they're good enough to shut down the run game. I don't know if they can com. I think Shucks played all right.

[Jamie]

I don't disagree with Shuck playing well, but this defense also, like, you know, you're still a young quarterback and you're gonna get the Todd Bowles exotic blitz pack.

[Dave]

Oh, for sure.

[Jamie]

You know, so.

[Dave]

Right. But Shuck is going to try and beat that by just getting the ball out fast. And I would imagine there's going to be a bunch of schemed up throws kind of like what we saw with Vale last week on all the in breakers that he had. I just, I wonder if the Saints do enough, push the bucks enough where they can't just say, all right, this is going to be a lot of Bucky, a little bit of Rashad White, tiny bit of Sean Tucker and we just run our way to victory. I think, I think it could be a little bit different this time around and that makes me a little bit more encouraged about Tampa's offense having to do more than just throw 24 times. And maybe Baker. Baker's a top 12. I have a hard time with quarterbacks once you get past Jaden Daniels and he's the top quarterback I have after Jaden Daniels.

[Adam]

All right, so let's. We'll just do some this guy or this guy's but also. All right, where is a Mecca Buka in your rankings, guys?

[Jamie]

Around 15.

[Dave]

I got him 21st.

[Adam]

Where will he be if Mike Evans.

[Jamie]

Plays to where Dave hasn't?

[Dave]

Probably right where I have him maybe a little bit lower and I might even move him a little bit lower even if Evans doesn't play.

[Adam]

Where will you rank Mike Evans if.

[Dave]

He plays.

Low end number receiver right.

[Jamie]

Now where a God one is, which is around 30.

[Adam]

Godwin is about 30 for Jamie. Dave, where's God win for you?

[Dave]

He's at 36. I think he's still an okay number three wide receiver this week. That's probably I still right. I. I'd have to move him down if Evans plays. But I still stand by what I saw last week. I thought he played well and so I wonder if if the Saints push the bucks, could there be more in store for Godwin? So I'm kind of couching it by having.

[Jamie]

Just remember Evans is going to average 200 yards a game.

[Dave]

He doesn't play this week, then it's got to be like 225 yards per game or whatever it would be.

[Adam]

We've talked about Manangai. Let's say Kareem Hunt, Woody Marks.

[Dave]

I'll start Bucky Irving over those guys.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

Would you start Devin Neal over those guys?

[Jamie]

What's the names again?

[Adam]

Kareem Hunt against the Texans. Woody Mars against the Chiefs. I'll take Neil and Kyle Menangai.

[Jamie]

I'll take Mananga.

[Dave]

Manangai, Neil and PPR Hunt Marks.

[Adam]

How about Devin Neil before Zod?

[Jamie]

Let's go on that's not bad.

[Adam]

Yeah, he's. He's. He's scored 10 and 11 fantasy points in his last two games. He's had eight catches in those two games.

[Jamie]

Now here's. Here's a tricky one for you. Is that a Superman movie or a Batman movie?

[Adam]

It's a Superman movie.

[Dave]

Superman move.

[Jamie]

Or both.

[Adam]

Why would it be a Batman movie?

Was that in Batman vs Superman or something?

[Dave]

But it was in Superman first.

[Jamie]

Zod was dead. Spoiler.

[Adam]

Oh.

All right. By the way, Tyler schuck has thrown 37 passes in the fourth quarter of the last two games combined. Has been a big time quarter for them playing catch up. 19 and 18 past attempts. Those skips start Olava. He's the man. Devon Vale with 15 target. And I bring this up for Vale because Vale has benefited from this, right? 15 targets in the last two games been. And they throw in about 40 passes per game. Can't expect that necessarily. But Vale or.

Godwin?

[Dave]

Godwin.

[Jamie]

Right now Godwin is at 30. Vale is at 37. For me, if not mistaken, they will be close If Evans does play, Juwan.

[Adam]

Johnson is top seven. You wouldn't start him over, say, Travis Kelsey, would you?

[Dave]

No.

[Jamie]

No.

[Adam]

Would you start him over? Dalton Schultz?

[Dave]

No.

[Adam]

All right, so yes and A no. Schultz vs. Juwan Johnson. Brenton Strange.

[Jamie]

No.

[Dave]

Over Juan and Schultz.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

Kyle Pitts.

[Jamie]

Right now I have Pitts and Juwan Johnson back to back. I may switch that just because pits may have more upside.

[Dave]

Yeah. Especially in ppr. I think you can see that the concern is Juwan Johnson still had a lot of targets last week and that was awesome. But if Devon Vale is going to continue to make inroads, does that mean that Juwan Johnson watches his target share drop?

[Jamie]

I just don't know how that's possible. Where Vale had his best most targets and so did Juwan Johnson.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's the fair point. But it wasn't a great game for Juwan Johnson despite all the targets.

[Adam]

I'm gonna.

[Dave]

And then how many times do we see Olave get only seven targets?

[Adam]

I'm going to make a bold call and that is Baker Mayfield's going to outscore Patrick Mahomes.

[Jamie]

I have it ranked that way.

[Adam]

Oh, you do?

[Dave]

I don't have it ranked that way, but it wouldn't surprise me.

[Adam]

Let's see what the chat is asking here. We'll move on to our next game. Chris Godwin or Brian Thomas Jr. Adam Lee, 2730.

[Jamie]

Got the reference?

[Adam]

Oh, I. I can't look at it right now. I'M looking at the starred ones, but God winner Brian Thomas Jr.

[Dave]

I have BTJ a spot higher.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I Again, if you were to say I can't think of anything off Godwin, but yeah, nobody. Brian Thomas jr Just can't be trusted.

[Dave]

Godwin or Zodwin?

[Adam]

Juwan Johnson or Kincaid?

[Jamie]

I'll still go Joanne Johnson and pbr.

[Dave]

I won't.

[Adam]

I'll take Kincaid, Devin Neal, Chris Rodriguez, Adonai Mitchell in ppr.

I'll take Mitchell, Chris Godwin or T. Higgins. That's going to be T. Higgins. Chris Godwin or Mike Evans.

[Jamie]

I would go Evans over Godwin.

[Dave]

I probably would too.

[Adam]

Devon Vale or T. Higgins or what?

Jaden Higgins.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I'll take Jaden Higgins over to.

[Dave]

Vondela Higgins is safer.

[Adam]

One of them actually said T. Higgins. This one is definitely Jaden Higgins. Baker or Jalen hurts.

[Jamie]

Hertz right now.

[Dave]

Same.

[Adam]

Would you start Devon Neal over Saquon Barkley or Bam Knight?

[Jamie]

No.

No.

[Adam]

Would you start Devon Neil or John Metchie? Non ppr.

[Jamie]

Neil.

[Dave]

Devin Neal probably Neil Abuka or Sutton?

[Adam]

Coral and Sutton Sutton A Bootner Watson. Abuka or Watson?

[Dave]

I think I have Watson Higher Abuka.

[Adam]

All right. All right, let's go on to our next game here. Bucks dst by the way, you can start. Oh, don't start Kate Otten.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Adam]

Done with him.

[Jamie]

Definitely do not start him. If Mike Evans plays borderline starter at best.

[Adam]

If Evans is thought Bucks DST is top 11. Washington is at Minnesota. Stat of the game. Only one wide receiver has scored double digit PPR fantasy points against the Vikings in their last four games. That was Zay.

[Jamie]

None of the last three.

[Adam]

What's that?

[Jamie]

It's none in the last three.

[Adam]

Zay Flowers had four catches for 75 yards. No Bears receivers, no packers receivers, no Seattle receivers scored double digit fantasy points.

Yeah. Against Minnesota and yeah. So how do you. How do you, Jamie, how do you feel about Terry McLaurin?

[Jamie]

I mean, look, a lot of it is circumstantial, you know. So what happened with the Minnesota offense last week dictated, I think a lot of what happened with the Seattle offense. So I'm hoping, and it's a big leap of faith here, but as bad as Max Brosmer was that we get better performance from JJ McCarthy, which at least he's been better than that. So if the Vikings can score here and the Washington defense clearly is still terrible. I know they played a little bit better than expected last week, but they're still terrible that we have to see the Washington offense and as Dave Alluded to, you know, hopefully better quarterback play. Not that Marcus Mario played bad last week, so they played great. But better quarterback play helps these wide receivers. But I do think that you're hoping for McLaurin to play more, which he should. You know, last week he didn't have his usual participation rate.

That being said, what he's done in his last two healthy games, scored against Kansas City, not an easy matchup, dominated Denver, which we know is never easy. And so now you're going to, you know, what you might consider, just based on numbers, a step up in competition. I don't know if I'd agree with that. But certainly a good defense here. So as long as they can protect Jane Daniels, then I think he has an opportunity here to connect with McLaurin. More so than I do with Debo Samuel. I know Samuel will run routes close to line, scrimmage, and he'll get, you know, chances to touch the ball. But what he's done with McLaren healthy the last three games last week was the best performance, and it took the quarterback throwing 50 times. I doubt they want to see Jane Daniels throw the ball 50 times. So to me, Debo is at best the number three receiver. I'll take a chance on McCorn as a number two guy, but this is not going to be easy by any stretch.

[Adam]

Washington is 26th in past attempts per game, and they're 3 and 9. So it doesn't, you know, that's just kind of weird that they haven't been throwing more Chris Rodriguez or Devin Neal. I bet they're pretty close.

[Jamie]

I mean, it's definitely a format thing, you know, so ppr. It's easy to go Neil over Rodriguez. Non ppr. Rodriguez over Neil. The Vikings have given up touchdowns to running backs, you know, and that's the thing you hope for for Rodriguez, because that's the only thing that's going to help Rodriguez if he doesn't score. His best game is what he did against Miami, where he got you 70 some odd rushing yards. He happened to catch his only pass of the season on his second target of the season. One came after that game. So at that point, that was his first target on the year. And he caught his pass for six yards. So you're talking about eight PPR points, seven PPR points at best if he doesn't score. He's been 11 to 12 carries in two of the last three games. You know, one of those, you left with an injury, but I think you just hope that he finds the end zone because if not, he's not going to help you at all.

[Dave]

I don't think this is going to be a Vikings blowout win, so the commander should be able to keep the run game involved in their offense. And with Jaden Daniels back, I'm hoping for a spike in efficiency for Rodriguez where maybe he can average 4. 4.3 yards per carry. You can't count on for the catches, but I, I think that he'll have an opportunity to score. I like him better than Neil, even in ppr.

[Jamie]

Oh, man.

[Adam]

All right, so rank the wide receivers. Jamie in this game.

[Jamie]

McLaurin 1. Jefferson 2. Debo 3. Addison 4. Nobody else after.

[Adam]

The thing about Jefferson is that last week he had such a low target share, but he was at least getting these, like, usually a decent amount of targets, usually nine.

[Dave]

Throw out. You should throw out last, of course.

[Adam]

So I am.

[Dave]

Yeah, you're talking about it.

[Adam]

No, I said I, I was getting there. With McCarthy, he gets usually a very good amount of targets, usually nine or more. This play in Washington here, baby. Like, let's go. His next three opponents are 28th, 32nd, 29th and then 31st. His next four opponents are 28th or worse against wide receivers, not that matchup necessarily matters because their offense is completely broken. But Jefferson, like, I, I'm going to guess at least 12 PPR fantasy points.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And that's a starter these days.

[Jamie]

So I mean, you would, you're begging for that. Like between him and Saquon Barkley, like, you know, there's so much upside and you know, for Barkley it's opportunities and offensive line For Jefferson, Clay, it's the quarterback. This. I mean, imagine if he had a good quarterback for that stretch of games that you just said. Like we, we'd be top two, top three for what he's typically been able to produce. So hopefully that this is a chance for McCarthy, like, this is a very soft landing spot. Home game, terrible defense, not a lot of pressure should be in his face. The offensive line is getting healthier. Like everything is sort of trending in the right direction that he could finish the season strong. Which, you know, I'm sorry, Thomas is near. Like he could have one of these, you know, Mac Jones esque finishes and you're like, is he still our guy next year? And they don't really, they really don't know. You know, they don't really have the answer, I think. But hopefully that's the case because then that, that's a benefit for Jefferson and hopefully Addison as well. I just think for Jefferson, similar to Barkley, like you're not benching him. You know, you're certainly not benching him for the Adnai Mitchells of the world and you're probably not benching him for the Alec Pierces and Christian Watsons of the world. I, I can understand if you wanted to because those guys have been playing better, but I think you just sort of say, okay, this is Justin Jefferson. I have FOMO if I bench him. And hopefully McCarthy plays well enough in a matchup that he should have success.

[Adam]

Any interest in TJ Hawkinson this week?

[Jamie]

No.

[Dave]

You'd have to be pretty desperate at tight end. And Brenton Strange, Dalton Schultz, Juwan Johnson, they'd all have to be gone from your waiver wire.

[Adam]

How about Zachary?

[Dave]

I think that he could be in line for another like 5 catch, 50 yard game, maybe catch a touchdown. Jane Daniels loves throwing to him. He's usually the number two. Read on like every single play.

[Adam]

I'm excited about Jaden Daniels, but a word of caution. The last four quarterbacks against the Vikings, Lamar Jackson, 16.6. Fantasy points. Caleb Williams, 10 point.

[Dave]

That's good for Lamar.

[Adam]

Caleb Williams 10.3. Jordan Love, 7.1. He only threw 21 times. Sam Darnold, 3.1. I believe they've allowed one touchdown pass in their last four games.

[Jamie]

So it's risky because, you know, what version of Dan Daniels are we getting? Yeah, has not played great this season. Again, pass rush is going to be an issue for him. You know, they're gonna make, make him uncomfortable for sure. You know, low end starter.

[Adam]

Question. Brissette or Daniels?

Christian Watson or Jefferson?

[Jamie]

Jefferson.

[Dave]

I'll take the upside with Watson.

[Adam]

I'll go Jefferson. Drop Daniel Jones for Jaden Daniels.

[Jamie]

100.

[Adam]

Jaden Daniels, Brissette or Burrow?

[Dave]

Burrow, Joe Burrow.

[Adam]

Didn't we say Burrow has weather concerns.

[Dave]

That thing, if snow is one thing, it's. It's got to be like three.

[Adam]

Game of the week.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that was good.

[Adam]

The bagels at the Bills. It's a snowy.

[Dave]

Game of the week, baby.

[Jamie]

Baby.

[Adam]

That's the game of the week.

[Jamie]

Hey, see the thing that, the thing that always makes this fun for me and you know a good guessing game for Dave never watches Adam. I always see what Adam does when I know when Adam reaches for the board like when and. And the goofy grin that he had when he was going to do it.

Yeah.

[Adam]

All right, let me fly. Fire through a few more here.

[Jamie]

Doesn't catch on to the pause. Like for two years now there's a little pause as Adam, I think I.

[Adam]

Sold that pretty well.

[Dave]

You sold that one really well. That's an. That's a 10 out of 10.

[Jamie]

That was great snowing there, right? We have some. Some weather concerns.

[Dave]

Yep.

[Adam]

I didn't throw it to Dave, though, that if I throw it to Dave, then I kind of gives it away. Dave just took it there, which is good.

[Dave]

You would have had me. You would have had it either way. By the way, I just. I realized just now that like 60 of the lyrics to the Game of the Week song are the words. Game of the week.

[Adam]

I know. Addison or Dobbs?

[Jamie]

PPR Dobbs.

[Adam]

Romeo Daniels or Nick's Rest of C? We'll skip that. Rodriguez or Adonai? Mitchell.

[Dave]

Ppr AD And I. Mitchell.

[Jamie]

Mitchell.

[Adam]

Jordan. Oh, I didn't talk about crap. I can't skip this game. I have to. We have to talk about the running backs for the Vikings. I skipped them, says Mason or Videl. Jamie, give me your thoughts on these running backs. With or without Aaron Jones?

[Jamie]

With or without Hampton? Yeah. If Jones plays and Hampton doesn't, it's Vidal. If Jones is out and Hampton's out, I would still go Mason over Vidal. If Jones is in and Hampton is in, I would go with Vidal over Mason. Although I do think that Mason has an opportunity here. This Washington run defense has not been good and they did do a good job in terms of yards per carry against the Broncos last week. I don't know how much of that, though, is just RJ Harvey and not hitting the hole the right way in the case of Mason. Like, we may see a little bit more Mason than we've seen recently because of Jones with the shoulder injury. And Jones may be used on passing downs. Like, if you remember how the season started. Yeah, it was a lot of Jordan Mason and just, you know, Jones was sprinkled in as a rusher, but more of a pass catcher and obvious passing down situation. So we may get back to that. So I don't think Jordan Mason's horrible if Aaron Jones plays, but obviously Jordan Mason would be fantastic. Like, I honestly considered, you know, before we got the report earlier in the week that Jones was day to day, I thought Jordan Mason would be my start of the week. Like, I, I love the setup for him. I. You know, what, what he averaged in the four games that Jones was out. Fourteen and a half PPR points. Like he was solid. You know, a couple games that we wasn't great, but two of that were awesome. And I think just based on how this game flow was going to go Darrow saw back offensive line a little bit better. Washington's still going through some struggles offensively, even with Daniel still there. So for me, I was, I was very excited about Jordan Mason. So it wouldn't bother me so much if they gave Aaron Jones a week off.

[Adam]

If Aaron Jones plays, is he the best running back of this game?

[Jamie]

Yeah, I would consider him that. Yeah. I mean, Jordan Mason would be the number one running backs game if there's.

[Adam]

Well, that's easy if there's no Jones. But if Aaron Jones plays, would you start him over? Saquon Barkley?

[Jamie]

No. No.

[Adam]

Would you start him over?

How about a wide receiver? Like a Mecca Buka?

[Jamie]

No.

[Dave]

Also no.

[Adam]

How about if Aaron Jones or Romo Dunes a Green Bay?

[Jamie]

I would go Jones over Dunes.

[Dave]

It would be close, but yes, I would agree.

[Adam]

All right, let's go to our next game here. You can start the Vikings dst. No, they're not.

[Dave]

No, it's a little worse now with Jaden Daniels back.

[Adam]

All right, we have two games left. Can we do them in five minutes? Guys, what do you think?

[Dave]

Are they crappy games?

[Adam]

Yeah, they've all been crappy games. Rams are at the Cardinals.

[Dave]

I think we know this isn't a crappy game.

[Adam]

We know what we're doing with the Rams. But this, I mean, the Cardinals are what, 3 and 9 or something? They suck.

[Jamie]

This is a good fantasy game. This is not a good real life game.

[Adam]

All right, so any concerns about the fact that Matt.

[Jamie]

This is a surprise bonanza.

[Adam]

Matthew Stafford is facing a top 10 defense against quarterbacks. And every time he's faced one, he's struggled every time, including.

[Jamie]

I don't think there's the same defense, though.

[Adam]

Yeah, they've got a horrible injury report like Josh Sweat, Max Melta and some other guys. I don't know if those guys are going to play you.

[Jamie]

Look Baker last week and you know, I guess we should have brought this up with Baker. Godwin drops a touchdown. Rashad White has a touchdown called back. Yep.

[Dave]

Like receiving touchdown callback.

[Jamie]

Right. He could have had a better fantasy game. And then that would have been three straight games of two plus touchdowns allowed to opposing quarterbacks for the Cardinals. Whereas we saw the very strange game from Trevor Lawrence. Three touchdowns, three interceptions, but over 20 fantasy points. And then the game after, I forget how they played, but you know, another quarterback had a big game against them.

[Adam]

All right, so start Stafford. He's top three. Start Adams. Start Puka. Don't start Colby Parkinson. Although Arizona is a great matchup. So if you're desperate. Parkinson gets four to five targets every game. Basically. Kyren Williams starter. Sit Dave, like confidence start or what?

[Dave]

I think you're starting them because he's still the primary running back. The, the edge is obviously much smaller than it was once upon a time, but he's still the primary running a Rams offense that's expected to put a points, that's taking on a Cardinals defense. That look has looked terrible against the run pretty much all year. Bucky Irving, first game back in forever. Look like an absolute rock star against them. I don't think that Kyron Williams will look like that, but I think he can score and I think he can get you 60, 70 yards. Maybe he breaks a couple of longer runs, has an efficient day. I don't mind him as a low end number one runner, you guys.

[Jamie]

I think the one thing, if you buy into the point spread, then Chiron dealing with some sort of injury. Blake Quorum could be a sneaky flex play this week because he's going to get his seven plus carries and make it a little additional playing time late in the game. So wouldn't surprise me if he has, you know, one of these fourth quarter touchdowns and you know, maybe 13, 14 carries.

[Adam]

He's essentially Tyler Algier because he just, he never catches the ball. So you could be looking at a four. I think he has two games of more than six points this year in ppr. Blake Corum, including last week. All right, that's the Rams. Now Brissette, you guys have sixth. Here's a question. Jacoby Brissette, Jordan Love or Jaden Daniels?

[Jamie]

Brissette.

[Dave]

Brissette followed by Love followed by Daniels, Brissette or Burrow?

[Jamie]

This is one that I struggled with right now. Burrows 5 and percent is 6. I would still go with Joe Burrow. Just.

[Dave]

Yeah, I have it the exact same way.

[Adam]

Okay, so you guys are starting Brissette, right?

[Jamie]

Seeing snow potential, but the wind may not be an issue for Burrow. We have to keep it on.

[Dave]

Right? So the key is if it's. If there isn't wind and there's snow, it's. How bad is the snow coming down? Is it impacting the visibility? And as long as it's not impacting the visibility, then Burrow might be even better.

[Adam]

Let's go over to Donovan Knight. I mean, the thing is, D. Mercado was kind of eating into his role before, before DeMarcado got hurt. So it bothers me a little bit. But I feel like maybe Knight's done a good enough job that's what I think.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I think D. Mercado takes Carter spot.

[Adam]

That you would think so. Bam. Knight or Aaron Jones.

[Jamie]

So that's where I was thinking when you asked that question about where Jones would go. So right Now Knight is 23. For me, I probably would put Jones right behind him. If D. Mercado is out, if D. Mercado is in and Jones gets a full practice in on Friday, I might go Jones over. Over. Damn it.

[Adam]

Is it just as simple with the receivers as saying start the number one guy and the number two guy is kind of a number three receiver in fantasy?

[Dave]

Unless that receiver is Xavier Weaver, in which case I don't think I'd feel very good about even. I'd pick him up in the deepest of leagues, you know, 16 teams, 25 bench spots.

[Jamie]

It would have to be something ridiculous like that if Harrison and Dortrup correct.

[Dave]

Because I don't think. I don't think Weaver can do what Harrison and Dortch can do. Could he get five catches in the game?

[Jamie]

Maybe.

[Dave]

But I. I think that it would just lead to just ship all of the targets to Trey McBride and Michael Wilson.

[Adam]

And Jamie did a great job pointing this out on Tuesday. I believe it was the Rams defense. You're going, oh, you're starting all these Cardinals guys against the Rams defense. They're so much better at home than they are on the road. And they're not bad on the road necessarily, but road game against a good offense, they've actually struggled in that spot.

[Jamie]

Not even good offense. I mean, last week was, I would say, mediocre offense. And Bryce Young had a great game. And the running backs, you know, that'll not great, but, you know, still got an opportunity for 20 carries, 20 touches, and obviously Chuba Hubbard had a monster game, you know, so I think you're just looking at it, you know, so in Dave's scenario here, potentially no Dortch and no Harrison. Like, you know, where the ball is going, which we love, you know, for Trey McBride and Michael Wilson, you know, we've seen that already in two games without Marvin Harrison. So the, the interest, the, the tough call would be, could you go to Deutsche? You know, so we know what Michael Wilson is. He's going to get his chances, you know, whether you think he's top 10, top 20, you're starting him if Harrison's not there. And obviously McBride is awesome. Can you trust Greg Dortch not practicing this week and, you know, getting in a limited session or playing less than 100. So, like, I Picked up Deutsche in a few leagues. You know, I'm hoping to use him as a number three receiver if, if Harrison's out because we saw 16 targets, I'm sorry, we saw 12, 16 or.

[Dave]

More PPR points, 12 catches in the.

[Jamie]

Two games that Harrison was out and 16 or more PPR points in those two games. So like this is another potential 40 plus pass attempt game for, for Jacoby Brissette and opportunities for Deutsch to be successful. So hopefully practices today and is able to play.

[Adam]

Michael Wilson is still available in some leagues, by the way. He's 80, 88 rostered and I couldn't be more excited to start Michael Wilson this week because I don't think Harrison is going to play. So fire it up. And even though the Rams DST could give up some points, they still are a top ten dst. All right, Seattle's.

[Jamie]

Despite his success, he takes sacks and he's had a couple turnovers in a few games.

[Adam]

All right, Dave, let's get our last game here. Seattle at Atlanta. Just break this one down for us.

[Dave]

Start Jackson Smith and Jigba. Start Bijan Robinson. Start Kyle Pitts is a low end, number one tight end in ppr. Who have I forgotten about?

[Jamie]

Ken Walker.

[Dave]

Who have I forgotten about?

[Adam]

No Ken Watt. Give Ken Walker a little bit of credit here.

[Dave]

I'll give Ken Walker credit as a number two running back, but let's. It's not like he's dominating touches for Seattle. All the talk about, well, we're going to give him more work. It's kind of gone away again. It's an annoying split. It's a favorable matchup. I think you're starting Walker with lowered expectations and a lot of hope that he breaks a long one against Atlanta. It's definitely possible. Seattle's played great on the road ever since Mike McDonald became the coach of the Seahawks. But I, I can't sit here and say, yeah, expect, you know, a touchdown in 90 yards from, from Kenneth Walker. He'll be back this week because the matchup's so good. I don't know if he's going to get those opportunities because he hasn't gotten those opportunities. And when they get near the goal line, they go right to the wine cellar and they break out Charbonnet. And it's annoying. And that's what makes Charbonnet an interesting flex. I think he scores again this week, but I just, I, I don't love Kenneth Walker. You're probably starting because you don't have anybody better.

[Adam]

Seattle real pits to me Is. Is the heart. Like I know what Ken Walker is. I'm gonna start Ken Walker over Bam Knight over Kareem Hunt. Even though those guys might have a better chance of scoring a touchdown. Walker has been getting some carries from the 3 yard line to the 2 yard line lately. So he's got maybe more. No, he didn't. But he's more of a chance.

[Jamie]

One of them.

[Adam]

He did score one of them. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. And they were in hurry up on that play. So it's concern. But he's so. He's been running so well.

[Jamie]

And the fact is I love the fact that they're involved in passing in the last three weeks like that.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's a plus. I agree.

[Jamie]

I think that's. That's huge. And I think last week, you know, like we started to see some momentum. To me that was more about how the game unfolded. Like Charbonnet's numbers came late in the game. I think that's similar situation happened this week because of Atlanta's offense. So I don't disagree with a lot of what they've said. I just think that for what Walker has been doing and what the landscape of running backs are like, to me he's a very good number two running back.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Jamie]

I like him better than Saquon Bark this week.

[Dave]

Wow.

Yeah, they both have been bad.

[Adam]

Falcons defense is really falling apart and.

[Jamie]

Kyle Pitts win in the FFT league and get help. And my two running backs are Saquon Barkley and Ken Walker.

[Dave]

Oh, and when the season started, you loved that. That seemed like an amazing.

[Jamie]

I. I didn't love it. It kind of just the way that the draft broke, it was too good a value to pass on those guys. And I also have Omarion Hampton. So with Drake London being out, like I'm barely. I don't know how I still have a shot to make the playoffs.

[Adam]

Walker or Genti?

[Jamie]

Genti.

[Dave]

Genti Walker.

[Adam]

Judkins.

[Dave]

Judkins.

[Adam]

Walker Menangai or Hampton?

[Dave]

Well, now we're talking. That's where I'd start with Walker.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

And last thing was. Oh, Pits. Yeah. I mean I have a little trouble trusting Pits. A lot of trouble trusting Pits. But it is a great matchup. Seattle gives up the fourth most fantasy points to tight ends. Kyle Pitts just. He has one. He has four red zone targets, three green zone targets, one end zone target all season. But two good games, two very good target shares in a row with Kirk Cousins. 25 Adam.

[Dave]

I gotta run.

[Adam]

All right. 25.8% target share. Two games in a row with Kirk Cousins. So as long as you get 30 or more pass attempts, you're gonna have a nice target share for pits. All right, start the Seahawks DST and we can all run now. We will talk to you with the Mailbag show. With no Jamie, we're still gonna have fun. Good Fantasy cops coming up up. And Please [e-mail] Best Sports Radio Podcast category. We're in the finals. Let's win the whole damn thing. So as Jake Taylor would say in the censored version of Major League, we'll talk to you later on Fantasy Football today.

[Dave]

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