Start or Sit (NFC): Michael Wilson, Bears RBs and WRs, Josh Jacobs and More Tough Calls (12/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

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Fantasy Football Today (FFT) Podcast Summary

Episode: Start or Sit (NFC): Michael Wilson, Bears RBs and WRs, Josh Jacobs and More Tough Calls
Date: December 26, 2025
Hosts: Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamie Eisenberg

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Episode Overview

This episode of FFT focuses on the critical fantasy football start/sit decisions for the NFC slate during Championship Week. The crew dives into matchup breakdowns, injury updates, tough player calls—including Michael Wilson, Chicago's RB/WR rotation, Josh Jacobs, and more—and fields listener questions, all with a high-energy, conversational, and analytical FFT tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Thursday Recap & Quick Takeaways

Timestamps: 04:34–08:49

• Rapid review of Thursday games: No major surprises or actionable changes for week 17 lineups.
• Jamie: “The Vikings defense is just amazing… they’re a championship defense getting wasted right now by poor quarterback play, which sucks.” (06:43)
• Noted that players like Goff and the Lions offense struggled as expected. Gibbs’ down game is in line with tough matchups vs. receiving RBs for Vikings.
• Injuries impacting key starters: Javonte Williams may be out, Malik Davis could be a late-week plug; watch for offensive line status updates.

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2. Playoff Implications – Who Might Rest, Who Might Play

Timestamps: 10:42–13:06

• Monitor Rams and Steelers for possible rest scenarios, pending NFC playoff seeding.
• The Rams likely to play their starters unless the game is in hand or playoff status is locked.
• “They're preparing like they have to play… because what if San Francisco loses? What if Seattle loses?” (Dave, 12:01)

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3. News & Notes – Injuries and Practice Reports

Timestamps: 13:23–14:43

• Lamar Jackson: Doubtful, almost never play when listed as such.
• Josh Jacobs: Off injury report, trending toward playing.
• WR Updates: Adams, Luther Burden, Rome Odunze, and Christian Watson all have status questions to monitor.
• TE Spotlight: Kittle “shouldn’t be counted on”—Jake Tonges as Kittle’s handcuff.
• Handy tip: Set your league’s add/drop rules to allow late changes in the event of unexpected inactives.

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4. Game-by-Game Start/Sit Questions (NFC Focused)

Baltimore at Green Bay

Timestamps: 16:58–36:53

• RBs: Derrick Henry is a start, especially if Jordan Love is out; Jacobs is a RB2 if active but monitor workload and late-in-week practice reports.
• Jamie notes: “A running back has scored 15+ PPR points in 9 of the last 10 games against the Ravens… not a lot of yards, but touchdowns and catches.” (17:44)
• WRs: Zay Flowers is a start for volume; Christian Watson gains appeal with Jordan Love, but otherwise is a flex. Other GB WRs are risky.
• QB: If Love plays, he's a low-end QB1, otherwise fade the GB pass attack.

Chicago at San Francisco

Timestamps: 18:14–47:29

• WRs: DJ Moore remains a start even if Burden returns, but both are in the lower-end WR2/3 range. Burden’s snap count/health is a concern.
• RBs: Swift is a “comfortable but not exciting” RB2 based on volume and pass-game usage.
• TEs: Colson Loveland and Jake Tonges discussed as deep-stream options if Kittle sits; preference given to 49ers TEs over Loveland.
• QB: Brock Purdy is a strong start (QB5/6), only slightly downgraded if Kittle sits.

Giants at Raiders

Timestamps: 19:03–61:29

• Jamie on Raiders RB: “Genti [Ashton Jeanty] is a must-start after last week's monster performance.” (53:10)
• Giants offense is hard to trust: Wondale Robinson has high floor but limited upside; Tracy Jr. is flex viable.
• Jamie: “I think the only Raider that’s a must-start is Genti. Mayer is a borderline streaming TE.”
• Caution about offensive line injuries (Andrew Thomas out) lowering Giants skill player floors.

Seattle at Carolina

Timestamps: 20:05–69:08

• Ken Walker remains the “reluctant” best RB start—volume not ideal, but upside remains in a plus spot. Dowdle and Chuba Hubbard are lower-end flexes.
• WRs: Tetairoa McMillan is a top-20ish volatility play with upside due to likely negative game script for Carolina.
• Dave: “If we don’t love Bryce Young, how can we really love Tetairoa?”
• Michael Carter is a fringe RB2/flex; the matchup is good but reception upside is in question.

Rams at Falcons

Timestamps: 20:43–75:50

• Kyren Williams: low-end RB1/must-start, scores often and gets consistent goal-line work.
• Blake Corum: strong TD-dependent flex; has become the clear red-zone option (see Jamie’s goal-line carry stat: “Since week 9, Corum has 8, Kyren has 6 carries inside the 3.” 71:38)
• Drake London: high-variance WR2/3; health and snap count are key.
• Kyle Pitts: TE4 rank, usage finally trending up in the red zone.

Arizona at Cincinnati

Timestamps: 21:16–84:06

MICHAEL WILSON Discussion:

• Jamie and Dave dive deep into the Wilson/Michael Harrison Jr. split—Wilson has lower slot rate and target share with Harrison active.

• Jamie: “He’s never had a good game with Marvin Harrison Jr. on the field. Why would I start him?” (21:19–27:02)

• Dave: “He’s a big red zone threat... in a high-scoring, high-volume game, you want a piece of that offense.” (25:04)

• Both agree Wilson is a boom/bust WR2/3, with upside if Harrison is limited.

• Other ARI/CIN Notes:

  • Trey McBride: must-start, elite TE option.
  • Michael Carter: risky RB2/flex. Matchup is juicy, but role/gamescript volatility is real.
  • WRs: Harrison is a WR4; fade unless desperate.
  • Start all Bengals as usual in strong matchup.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jamie on Jared Goff: “He was vintage end of Rams Jared Goff… the offensive line was a huge problem.” (08:17)
• Adam on start/sit dilemmas: “A lot of people are chasing points this weekend, so it’s maybe going to alter a few of your lineup decisions.” (06:43)
• Dave on Michael Wilson: “He’s a red zone target… easy to see a high scoring game and you want pieces of that.” (25:04)
• Jamie’s goals for fantasy managers: “Make sure your league… is set up so you can make add/drops before each player’s game time, not just before the first game Sunday.” (12:45)
• The crew’s running joke about Jeff Sills and Simpsons avatars in the live chat (76:17–76:47), highlighting the podcast’s inside humor and listener community vibes.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Thursday Game Recap & Takeaways: 04:34–08:49
• Playoff Scenario/Rest Talk: 10:42–13:06
• Injury & News Roundup: 13:23–14:43
• Baltimore-Green Bay RBs/WRs: 16:58–36:53
• Chicago-SF, DJ Moore/Burden/Swift: 18:14–47:29
• Giants-Raiders, Genti/Tracy/Wondale: 19:03–61:29
• Seattle-Carolina, Walker/McMillan/Carter: 20:05–69:08
• Rams-Falcons, Kyren/Corum/Pitts: 20:43–75:50
• Arizona-Cincy, Michael Wilson/McBride: 21:16–84:06

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Player-Specific Start/Sit Advice

• Start With Confidence:
  • Kyren Williams, Ashton Jeanty, Trey McBride, Brock Purdy, DJ Moore (still over Burden), Zay Flowers (target volume), Ken Walker (if desperate)
• Solid RB2/Flex/Streamer:
  • Josh Jacobs (if active), Michael Carter (borderline), Tetairoa McMillan, Blake Corum, Swift, Tracy Jr., Giants options (with caution, O-line issues), Loveland/Tonges (if Kittle sits)
• High Volatility:
  • Michael Wilson (WR2/3, best if Harrison limited), Luther Burden (depends on health), Drake London (injury dependent), Christian Watson (Jordan Love status), Trey Tucker (PPR dart)
• Sit/Fade Where Possible:
  • Marvin Harrison Jr. (outside top 30 WRs), Panthers RBs/WRs other than McMillan, most Giants WRs not named Wondale

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Listener Q&A – Highlights

• Heavy focus on nuanced start/sit dilemmas: Michael Wilson vs. Christian Watson; Tracy vs. Flowers; Jacobs vs. Kyren.
• Tony from chat: “Is it crazy to start Brissett, Michael Wilson, and Michael Carter?”
  Jamie: “It is risky, but depends on what else you have. The matchups are all there.”
• Multiple reminders: monitor late injury news, weather for ARI-CIN and other outdoor games.

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Conclusion

This episode is essential listening (or reading) for managers with NFC-heavy lineups or tough WR2/Flex decisions in championship week. The FFT crew brings their trademark blend of rapid stats, deep dives, and in-jokes, ensuring listeners are armed with actionable advice and context for every relevant player. The “Michael Wilson” debate stands out as the model for how to approach all thin-margin Week 17 start/sit choices.

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For full player rankings, check FFT’s updated columns and join their live YouTube Q&A Sunday mornings for last-minute lineup advice.

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Transcript

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[Jamie Eisenberg]

Happy Friday, everybody. Hope you're off to a great start in your fantasy league. We welcome you to fantasy football today presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary. Three games in the books. Two more on Saturday, the rest on Sunday and Monday. And we're going to preview six games today, mostly NFC home games. Dave, Richard. Our slate today is Baltimore at Green Bay, Chicago at San Francisco. Game of the week, Giants at the Raiders, Seattle at Carolina, Rams at Falcons and Arizona at Cincinnati. And how was your Christmas?

[Dave Richard]

It was awesome. I worked and stayed away from family. My family went to the beach. I didn't have to go. That's good. And then dinner at the house while I watched the Lions implode. And then a really terrible game Sunday night. But it was fun. It's always great being with family. Hopefully everybody got a chance to at least talk to people in their family and wish them a merry Christmas and have a good time together. Hopefully.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah. I played Clue junior last night with my family.

[Dave Richard]

Clue junior. Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I've never played.

[Dave Richard]

How does that go? Because that's obviously not like, is it like who stole the bunny rabbit?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

It's who broke the toy at what time? Ah, yeah. So a little less violent than Clue Senior. Anyway, let's go over the games from Thursday. We're not going to do it in the same way we usually do. We'll kind of run through it quickly because the most important thing here is start or sit for those games. Jamie should be on pretty soon. By the way, here's a fun fact. You know, why do people listen to this show? You want to hear things on this show that you'll. You will not hear anywhere else. So, Dave, fun fact about these games. If you played the super bowl squares game, you know, where you get the numbers, the random numbers, and you got a zero for the road team and a three for the home team, you would have won the final score of all three games. And that's why vote for us. Okay.

[Adam Mazer]

The.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Can you name the top five overall scorers in six point per passing touchdown PPR leagues from yesterday's games?

[Dave Richard]

Are we including DSTs?

[Adam Mazer]

No.

[Dave Richard]

Are we including quarterbacks?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yes.

[Dave Richard]

Okay, so Dax got to be up there.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

One.

[Dave Richard]

Sure. Aaron Jones is probably up there six. Was Cavante Turpin up there on one catch? He had to be five. Yeah. RJ Harvey.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, he's four.

[Dave Richard]

So I'm missing two and three?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

How the hell am I gonna miss two and three?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Dak one, Harvey four, Turpin five. Number two and number three.

[Dave Richard]

Did Saint Brown score enough in PPR? No, I didn't think he did.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

He's two. Good job.

[Dave Richard]

Who am I missing on three? Who am I missing on three?

[Adam Mazer]

Jamie.

[Dave Richard]

It's crazy.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Jamie gets a chance to steal. Jamie five.

[Dave Richard]

What do I have three seconds left?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Four, three.

[Dave Richard]

Addison couldn't have done it on one.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right, Jamie, I'm asking for the top five scorers in PPR league. Six point per passing touchdown last night. We have Dak one, Jakori, Crosby, Merritt on 11 carries, scoring 22.5 fantasy points. Two. RJ Harvey, four, Kevante Turpin five. Who's Dave missing three, quarterbacks included. Yeah, it is Bodex.

[Dave Richard]

Wait a minute. No, it's Brandon Aubrey.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I know kickers. No dsds.

[Dave Richard]

Kickers should be in there.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right.

[Dave Richard]

He loves kickers.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

We have Javante Williams with the shoulder injury, and so you could be starting Malik Davis in week 18 if you're playing against the Giants. Don't know the severity we had. Taylor Decker missed the game with an illness, the left tackle for the Lions. And Jared Goff had his worst game since Week 7 of 2022. Scored 4.1 fantasy points. Jamie, any. Any major. Like I said, we're gonna just kind of focus on starter sit today. But any major takeaways from any of the games yesterday?

[Adam Mazer]

A lot of people are chasing points this weekend, so it's gonna maybe alter a few of your lineup decisions, but I mean, nothing from the games. I, I, you know, I thought that the, the Lions passing game would struggle, so that wasn't a surprise. The Vikings defense is just amazing. It's a shame. I think you said this when we were texting about it last night, Adam. Like, they're just championship defense getting wasted right now by poor quarterback play, which sucks. I, I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful the Vikings figure out the quarterback situation because it's. It's a shame to watch, you know, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, and you know, when T.J. hawkins is healthy, like, it just was rough all season. Nothing really, though I think from this, like, you know, what the Chiefs are at this point, which I think, you know, we'll see who's the quarterback for the Commanders. And if, you know, Chris Rodriguez plays, I hope they just feed Jacoi Crossing Merrick, because that was fun. And it was really cool. I'm sure you guys saw with Rice. Clint Portis jumps on this, the. The broadcast. You know, he goes for the big run. Kind of reminds you of some of the runs Porter said. But yeah, nothing really changes. No.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay.

[Dave Richard]

If you. First of all, you had Jared Goff ranked too high. Jamie. I did and I had him.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Right.

[Dave Richard]

Even worse. If you, if you could like boil it down to one word to describe how golf played. One word. What word might.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Oh, no, no. One mushroom.

[Adam Mazer]

I have a good one. Have a good one. He. He was. He was golf.

[Dave Richard]

Okay. Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

He was under pressure.

[Dave Richard]

He was vintage end of Rams Jared Goff. And the offensive line was a huge problem. And you saw Taylor Decker inactive and you knew that things could go sideways pretty quickly.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

There's been this stat floating around about Detroit.

[Adam Mazer]

He don't by the way. He almost. They. They almost kept the streak alive. Fourth down play that Isaac Tesla had to go and. And make a heroic touchdown catch. If he doesn't get that catch, they break the record seven straight games of not allowing a touchdown pass.

[Dave Richard]

Oh yeah, they suck.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

The stat's been going around that they. The lie. The Vikings won the game despite having fewer than 10 net passing yards. So Max Brosmar threw for 51 yards, but he was sacked seven times for 48 yards. So three net passing yards. They are the third team in the last 40 seasons to win a game with fewer than 10 net passing yards, according to ESPN. And there's some other ones too. By winning by 10 or more points. If you were then 10 net passing yards. It was crazy. Just a few things I want to mention here. You look at some players who had bad games. Honestly, the Gibbs game, it doesn't even shock me the way the Vikings have defended past catching running backs. It's amazing, but it's. You know what we get. You're never going to sit them Lamb CD Lamb was open on two deep balls. Dak under threw him twice. One of the plays was a great play by the commander's defensive back. You had Cortland Sutton was real frustrating for me. I mean you can't argue with the targets. 10 targets. He had three consecutive plays of almost touchdowns. Basically that they had to settle for a field goal. And I think I'm on Ross St. Brown, if I remember had an almost touchdown or a golf missed him when he was open or something. I can't remember exactly what happened, but there were, there were some opportunities. Pickens was the one that was just like really? What? That was weird. But all right. Those Are your games Sunday? Remember? Listen, it's really important to stay in touch. You know, call us. No, watch us on Sunday because we're going to have weather updates, we're going to have injury update. There were no practices yesterday, so we don't really have a ton of injury updates except a few. Sorry. Almost no practice. Lamar Jackson is doubtful. That's one of the only situations we have any clarity on.

[Adam Mazer]

So no, my favorite one was the Tampa Bay listed there sent out their expected practice report without practicing in that Mike Evans DNP with rest.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

It's Christmas. He's resting anyway. So Sunday at 11am Eastern. YouTube.com fantasy football today will help you out for two hours. So the news and notes we talked about this yesterday. The Rams and the Steelers may have basically nothing to play for or at least they'll have clinched playoff spots. Rams have already done that. But the Rams could be eliminated from the division by the time they play Monday. If the Ravens lose on Saturday, which comes more likely with Mar Jackson doubtful, then the Steelers don't really have much to play for the next day. So it's just something to keep in mind.

[Adam Mazer]

I think in the case of the Rams and Dave, you probably could check this quicker than, than Mir, Adam will the, the. The. They would probably want to play the south winner and I wonder how much that factors into winning or losing.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Well, by getting the top wild card seed.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

You're saying.

[Dave Richard]

Right. So that means that they would want to have the five seed because the south winner would be the four seed. Currently they're behind San Francisco for that seed.

[Adam Mazer]

Right. But the Loser of the Week 17, Week 18 game between Seattle and San Francisco may matter to the Rams if they, if they lose. Right.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

That's a good point.

[Dave Richard]

It's a reason for. It's a reason for LA to play.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, good point.

[Dave Richard]

And obviously they're, they're preparing like they have to play and play their starters for as much of the game as possible because what if San Francisco loses? What if Seattle loses somehow it is Carolina. Rams lost to Carolina, so they give.

[Adam Mazer]

Him a game too.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, they've, they've got a. They're not, they're not giving Jimmy Garoppolo a ton of reps this week, let's.

[Adam Mazer]

Put it that way.

[Dave Richard]

I'm sure Stafford's taking most of the reps in practice like usual, so that leads me to believe that they'll at least play until the game is out of hand one way or the other.

[Adam Mazer]

They might not put a lot of.

[Dave Richard]

Wrinkles out there and Things that like teams could use against them in the playoffs. But you're right, there's definitely something to playing against Carolina or Tampa in the first round versus Philadelphia or Chicago in the first round.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Make sure if you're on cbs. Jamie, you listening? Make sure your league, including the super flex league that you might be the commissioner of as it's set up so that you can make AD drops before five minutes before game time of each player, not five minutes before Sunday's first game time.

[Adam Mazer]

Okay.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Just in case.

[Dave Richard]

Well, at least make sure that you know what the rule is.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, but oh, Matthew Stafford's inactive. It's probably not going to happen. But just allow your managers to make AD drops Sunday night. All right, so Lamar Jackson, that league next year. You just have to. You just have to change that one setting.

[Adam Mazer]

No, you. I'll tell you what. You do that one, I'll do Big Burger and I'll give myself back all the players you stole from.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Lamar Jackson's doubtful. Jordan Love still limited. Hopeful that he'll play that game Saturday which is one of the first ones we'll talk about today. Still don't know about Josh Jacobs. Dylan Sampson got into Jacobs was off the injury report. Oh, then we do know about Josh Jacobs. That's great news. Okay, Dylan Sampson limited. Woody Marks practice in full. Kamani Vidal we're not sure about yet. That's a Saturday game. Same with Travion Henderson. That's a Sunday game. Wide receiver news. Not expecting Devonte Adams at this point. Did you guys rank Ricky Pierce all?

[Adam Mazer]

Not yet. He's trending in the right direction.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay. Luther Burdens trending in the right direction. Romo Dunes A is not AJ Brown we think is going to play despite getting his wisdom teeth removed. Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs practice in full on Wednesday. Tight end no Brock Bowers I don't know about George Kittle. They say he has a chance to play.

[Dave Richard]

You should.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

You should be prepared for Kittle not to play. Just be prepared.

[Dave Richard]

It's Jake Tong just.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah, I think that it's just easy to just handcuff Kittle at this point because you should have the bench space for carrying two players like that. I have one Kiddle league where I picked up both tongas. It's a 10 team league so he was available but both Tongas and Colston Loveland. So I'm giving myself both options.

[Dave Richard]

If Kittle does not play, I'm doing something similar in a league where I Brock Bowers and Bowers is on ir. I don't want to replace him with Michael Mayer. That's an okay option, but if Kittle's out, Tongas could absolutely have a game like we saw from him earlier in the year. I'm gonna want pieces of that game between the Niners and the Bears.

[Adam Mazer]

I think the only problem with that, Dave, is we may not know until game time or inactives for your situation.

[Dave Richard]

Sure.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

It's Sunday night.

[Dave Richard]

Yep. Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay. And David, a joke is probably not gonna play and that's. I'm also keeping an eye on tj. No, that's not gonna matter for fantasy.

[Adam Mazer]

But.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right, let's. Let's move on. We're gonna take a quick break. One question for each game. We break down six games when we come back on fantasy football today.

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C mintmobile.com all right, welcome back everybody. Baltimore's at Green Bay. Any hesitation starting the running backs in this game? Assuming Lamar Jackson's out and we don't know about Jordan Love. But Dave, any hesitation starting the running backs in Baltimore at Green Bay, I'm.

[Dave Richard]

Good with Derrick Henry. I'm good with Emmanuel Wilson if Josh Jacobs is out. If Jacobs plays, I will be reluctant to start him because I just don't know how healthy he is. And you can't use Wilson if Jacobs is active either.

[Adam Mazer]

I like the fact that Jacobs practiced this week. So last week, did not practice at all this week. Getting in a couple limited sessions and the fact that he's off the injury report I think is a huge positive.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

This is a crazy stat. A running back has scored 15 or more PPR fantasy points in nine of the last 10 games against the Ravens. That's amazing. But it's not a lot of yards. It's touchdowns, maybe catches. They're not exactly getting run on, but they are giving up a ton of fantasy points almost every week. Fifteen or more PPR fantasy points to running back. All right, Jamie, Chicago's at San Francisco. Is D.J. moore still a start if Luther Burden plays?

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah, I think so. You know, he's going to be in that five to seven target range. That's what he's been almost the entire stretch of the second half of the season. With Odunze and Burden in with one of them out, I just think this game, like Dave said, this game has a chance to get loose and you want pieces of this passing attack right now for the Bears because I think they're going to have to push the score. So I think that like right now I have more as a number one receiver with both guys not ranked. He will be a. I'll still and I would like him still better than Burden right now just because I don't know where Burden's at from a health perspective. So they'll both be in that 20 to 30 range, you know, more still ahead of Burden, but both guys startable.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Dave, Giants are at the Raiders start. Any Giants players with confidence?

[Dave Richard]

Not really. I mean, there's Wandale, but we loved Wandale last week. We love Wandale every week it feels like. And you never know which way it's going to go. I don't really like trusting this offense right now, especially after last week. Tracy's okay, Wandale's okay. I prefer not Theo Johnson. It doesn't have any. It doesn't have much to do with the matchup. Obviously the matchup isn't scary, but questionable game plans, questionable motivation. The Giants have been so good at losing all year long and now there's offensive line issues on top of it. It Makes me very hesitant to start a Giants player.

[Adam Mazer]

Okay, just one thing to keep an eye on there is. I saw one of the Raiders beat writers suggest that with Bowers getting shut down and Crosby on the injury report every week, do they consider sending him this week?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Also for to be fair to Juan Robinson, he had 58% of their receiving yards last week.

[Adam Mazer]

Yes, he did.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

19 of 33.

[Adam Mazer]

He also is a monster on the road. He averages 15.8 PPR points on the road.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Oh, hey, Seattle's at Carolina. Jamie, do you like any running back in this game?

[Adam Mazer]

I mean like, yes. Love. No. I think you look at Walker and hopefully what we saw last week can carry over to this week. Charbonnet's got an opportunity to score touchdowns. The Panthers give up a ton of touchdowns all season. Have given up a ton of touchdowns all seasons. Running backs and then dowdle and. And not even Chuba. But dowdle is a flex. So depending on what you need, I think you can get away with it. But love, no. Walker is the highest one I have ranked and I think he's 24th.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Ken Walker. Tyrone. Tracy.

[Adam Mazer]

Tracy.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay, Dave, the Rams are at the Falcons. Who do you like better, Drake London or Kyron Williams?

[Dave Richard]

Kyron.

[Adam Mazer]

Why?

[Dave Richard]

Just hoping that he just comes through for a touchdown. Does that pretty often. Drake London didn't look right last week and I don't know how much healthier he'll be this week, especially since Kyle Pitts just is absolutely taking off as the best option for now in that offense.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, I mean Drake London is a tough, tough call. Yeah, he got what he got eight targets last week. Just couldn't really connect. And he's playing hurt, but he's playing a lot of the snaps. All right, Arizona's at Cincinnati. I don't mind.

[Dave Richard]

It's a no brainer and non PPR or half ppr.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I don't mind going kind of in depth on this one because this is the last one we're talking about. And I feel like there's only one really tough call. There's Michael Carter, you know, who you might use, but Michael Wilson. What am I missing with Michael Wilson? Because I feel like I could make four or five good cases as why we should sit Michael Wilson. And one case to why we should start Michael Wilson. So let's just. Let me just start with this, Jamie. Michael Wilson has not had a single good game with Marvin Harrison Jr playing. Harrison Jr came back last week and Michael Wilson got three targets. Harrison only had two. But is that not simple enough right there? He's never had a good game this year with Marvin Harrison Jr. Why would I even consider starting Michael Wilson?

[Adam Mazer]

Two things. One, expected volume from the Cardinals. So I think that played into last week more so than any other game that we saw from the two of them together. And then I would say they're going to make an effort. And this is just me assuming. So take that photos worth. You know what happens when you assume things that they are going to try and get Michael Wilson to a thousand yards receiving. So he's, he's within striking distance. I think that's something that probably has been a conversation between Jacoby Brissette, Michael Wilson. That happens with the players all the time.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Dude, he's got. Oh, he does have two games left. 818 yards.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah, so. And Marvin Harris is still not healthy, you know, so, you know, you, you can take these things for what it's worth. One of the beat writers for the Cardinals. I forget it is. So I apologize. Keeps noting the rotation of the receivers and who goes first in their drills. And the last two weeks it's been Michael Wilson, the head of Marvin Harrison. So again, that means nothing because they're both on the field at the same time and targets are targets. I believe they both had three targets last week. Harrison and Wilson. Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Sorry. Yeah.

[Adam Mazer]

So this should be a huge trade McBride game. But I also think there's room for both receivers to have some production. And I still favor Wilson over Harrison. But I'm with you. It's not easy. You know, it's just, it's. I, I look at my, my Michael Wilson lineups and I see our projections are through the roof, you know, from Sportsline. And it's like I get why, because of the numbers that he's put up, but I also get why that's challenged. Because the numbers that he's not put up when Marvin Harrison's been healthy. So it's, it's not a slam dunk. I think he's a number two receiver for a reason. If there was no Marvin Harrison, he would be a top five guy.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay, let me give you. And again, we're not going to talk about Michael Wilson later in the show, but he's so interesting. So let me give you three other things that, that concerned me. One, the Bengals allow the fourth fewest fantasy points to wide receivers. Two, the slot rate. He's been much worse out of the slot. And last week his slot rate jumped up to 33%. Michael Wilson, it was usually around 18% during his hot stretch. And, and with Marvin Harrison Jr. On the field. 58.3% slot rate for Michael Wilson. And then there's this weird thing. The. The Cardinals have the highest percentage of three tight end sets in the NFL in their last three games. They're playing with much bigger personnel and it's, it's, it's led to a decrease in routes run from Michael Wilson. It's still good, but Instead of running 90% of the routes or more, he's running about 80% of the routes. So these are things that are working against him. I believe he's about 15th in your rankings. But Dave, I know you want to get a word in on Michael Wilson.

[Dave Richard]

Well, I mean, let's look at some positives with him first and foremost. And, and it's that, that he's a red zone target, an end zone target. He has four touchdowns in his last three games. I think it's easy to take a big step back as far as target expectations go. Look at what his targets have been when Marvin Harrison's been out. They've been 10 plus every single time. And with Marvin Harrison on the field, it's been seven or less all season long. So if you're expecting around seven or eight targets and eight might be a stretch, let's be real, then Michael Wilson will be good, not great. I also think it's going to be a high scoring game. I think this is going to be one of those games where the defenses just are not going to show. Cincinnati still can't get pressure on the quarterback. They would. They would have given up a lot more in yardage to Miami if Quinn, yours had been more accurate. I went back and I watched the game because I felt like a goofball. Yesterday when I was talking about the Dolphins, I wanted to make sure I was on top of it. And longer throws from Quinn Ewers were off the mark. If they were more accurate, Cincinnati would have given up a huge game to Jalen Waddle. I think Jacoby Brissette will be accurate on those longer throws and I think he's going to make a bunch of them. Wilson is certainly capable of catching them. And because it's going to be a high scoring game, this is another game you're going to want pieces of. Easy to say with Cincinnati and easy to say with Arizona too, with the exception of Marvin Harrison Jr. And maybe Michael Carter because those guys just haven't been good recently. The last point I'll make is what receivers are you starting over Michael Wilson at this point? Yeah, there aren't a lot of guys that are doing what Michael Wilson is capable of doing.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

But.

[Dave Richard]

And you can't even rule out that Wilson can have a good game even with Marvin Harrison playing however much he's playing.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I mean, I can't rule it out, but it hasn't happened one time.

[Dave Richard]

No, but last week was as good as it got. It was 13 PPR points.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Dude, it was, it was a lucky as hell. 13p. Right. He had the, one of the luckiest catches of the year.

[Dave Richard]

The touchdown kid. I get it, I get it. But I don't think they just like turn off Michael Wilson like a light switch just because Marvin Harrison's on the field. That was a bad game overall for Arizona last week.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah. So listen, so Michael Wilson still did well for them. I sit here and say all these things. It doesn't mean I, I'm not, I might be leaning more toward where you guys are. I've got three receivers and I have to pick two. And I've got him, Michael Wilson. I've got Christian Watson, which would be a very Jordan love dependent and I've got Ricky Pearsall. And if George Kittle is out, I don't think I have the guts to start Pierce all over, over Wilson. But wouldn't shock me. That's where I'm at right now.

[Adam Mazer]

I mean, look, you, you have three volatile receivers. It's clearly easier if Harrison's not there. But you have three volatile receivers. And we don't know if Harrison a week playing is now healthier because last week we got the report they were going to ease him back in, which clearly they did only 29 snaps, which was I believe a season low in any game that he's been healthy. I just think that again I, I look at end of season numbers sometimes and I know how players talk. And I'm gonna guess Brissette, who as the backup quarterback was the one who gifted his offensive lineman their, their presence. I'm sure as a veteran guy, knowing what a milestone like that means to Michael Wilson, I believe going into free agency, like there's, I'm sure, hey, I'll feed you a little bit more this week or hey, I, you know, you'll, you'll be my read on this play or that player or whatever. And like those things, those things are, are talked about. Yeah, all the time.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right, well, there's also the possibility next year there's also the possibility that D.J. turner goes to Marvin Harrison and the coverage is, is easier for Michael Wilson.

[Adam Mazer]

So it's, it's funny you say that because that typically is what a lot of situations warrant. And the example I'll give you is if you were to say right now, we, we study this all the time. But if you were to say right now, where should have Patrick Sir Tan gone last week if you were facing.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

The Jaguars, I think it made sense for him to go to Brian Thomas Jr.

[Adam Mazer]

I, I get that because of what Thomas's ability is, but who was their best receiver going into that game last week?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

It was Myers. But.

[Adam Mazer]

So what did they do? They put Sir Tan on Thomas and they bracketed Myers and they put Moss on Washington.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I don't know if they put Moss on Washington. That's how it worked out a few times. Yeah.

[Adam Mazer]

So if you're looking at it, the big play threat for the Jaguar, for the Cardinals is still Marvin Harris.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah.

[Adam Mazer]

And so if they're going to shadow somebody, that's probably what they do.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

That's what I think. Yeah. All right, let's go to. Yeah, that would. All right. Yeah, let's do Baltimore Green Bay. But before we do that, it is time for football at BetMGM. And when you register with BetMGM, you're gonna get instant access to a variety of parlay selection features, live betting options, boost tokens, and the best daily promotions in the business. And when you huddle up with BETMGM at your fingertips, every pass, every catch in every game matter more than ever. Don't miss out on any of the hard hitting action. Place your moneyline prop and parlay bets with BETMGM today. All right, Baltimore Zach, Green Bay. So we are going to approach this as if Lamar Jackson players are listed as doubtful, almost never play. So assuming he's out, you guys, you guys are still confident in Derrick Henry, but should you be? I mean it's kind of a tough matchup. And he's, he was good. He was good in the one game with, with Tyler Huntley. He had a ton of carries and it was against the Bears, who at the time I think were really bad. I'm not sure if Edwards is playing in that game, but Jamie, I heard Dave briefly talk about, say he's good with Derrick Henry. You feel good about it? You feel okay?

[Adam Mazer]

I'm going to lower him a little bit, but he's still going to be a number two running back. I mean, that's going to be what their game plan is, to ride Derek Henry as much as possible. And so this packers run defense I, I think has shown that without Wyatt, with Wyatt, without Parsons, with Parsons, like they're still very Good, obviously. And this is going to be a very stripped down offense without Lamar Jackson there in terms of the fear of what, you know, you're dealing with here. But my guess is after everything that Harbaugh dealt with last week, it's going to be feed Derek Henry as much as possible and hopefully he can break a run or get close to the goal line that, that he scores. You know, it's, it's clearly a different confidence level has to be with, with a backup quarterback there in an offense that may not score very much. So, you know, I'm, I'm still hopeful, but man, it's, it's, it's not ideal to have what has been a very solid player over the last month, you know, kind of not have everything around him working as well as it should be.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And also if, if Jordan Love plays, if they lose, if they get blown out or not blown out, but if they're trailing, trailing by 10 or something like that, that's a really bad game script for Derrick Henry. We've seen it play out where if they don't keep it close, they lost. From weeks four through six, they lost by 17, 34 and 14 points. He had eight, 15 and 24 carries. So there's a lot of downside, I think for Henry, especially in full PPR leagues, he'll come off the field if they're trailing. All right, Dave, who's the best wide receiver in this game?

[Dave Richard]

Is Jordan Love playing or not?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Give me both scenarios.

[Dave Richard]

I think I can make the case that the upside is worth it for Christian Watson. If Jordan Love plays outside of that, it's still Zay Flowers. But I'm not excited about Zay Flowers. He's more of like a borderline number two, number three type of wide receiver. I do not like the track record of wide receivers with Tyler Huntley in Huntley's starts or Huntley overall. Only two times as a receiver had 15 plus. With Huntley at quarterback, tight ends have actually fared better. Running backs have actually done a nice job catching passes. He keeps it short. And so Zay Flowers, you're hoping for a couple of breakout plays like we've seen from him and we've seen him get taken away from over the last month or so of the season.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I mentioned this on the tough calls episode, but there have been three games in which Tyler Huntley's come in. One game where he started through 22 passes, Zay Flowers has a 33.3% target share. And the one game he played with Huntley, he had seven catches for 63 yards on nine targets. Does that feel like a.

[Dave Richard]

That's flexi for sure.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Does that feel. That's a start? I think 13.3 at this point, maybe.

[Dave Richard]

So after what we've seen, that would.

[Adam Mazer]

Be better than Pickens and Lamb.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, right.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

Jefferson.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

But does that feel like a Realistics, you know, line? 13.3.

[Dave Richard]

I think he can get close to that. Sure.

[Adam Mazer]

Okay. I think as we just got through talking about Michael Wilson, like, you're gonna have to have a pretty either very high confidence level in some of these number three receivers with upside like the Alec Pierces of the world, the Christian Watsons of the world, to sit Zay Flowers with the amount of targets he's probably gonna get.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah. With Watson on Sunday night, I mentioned that his target per out run rate has been, like, really, really good last recently. 26.3% target per out run rate or higher in four of his last five games. And he's practicing in full this week, so hopefully the route participation rate will get back into the 80 range. And if Jordan Love plays. I don't know.

[Adam Mazer]

I'm.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

He's getting end zone targets. He's kind of having one of his best stretches of his career, the last.

[Adam Mazer]

Two healthy games for them, because the Denver game Watson left and the Bears game Love left, the last two healthy games for them. They were awesome. Yeah. So clearly there's a connection that's working here, and it's kind of coincided with Watson filling in, not clearly the same way, but filling in with Tucker Kraft leaving, you know, so when they get Watson back after Craft's injury, this becomes their best pass catcher. Clearly, I would get away from Dobbs because Dobbs really struggled the stretch of Watson being healthy. And so he had a great game last week, but I don't think that's anything sustainable. And clearly, Matthew golden is not anyone you can trust. Neither is. Who am I blanking?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Jaden Reed?

[Adam Mazer]

Jane Reed? Yeah. You know, just in terms of what he has done or really the lack thereof. So I think it's. It's Flowers on one side, it's Watson on the other, and just, you know, you sort of treat them as number two, borderline number three receivers, depending on where you sort of shake out with your team. So in your case, like Watson vs. Wilson, I think that's close. If Jordan loves healthy.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, I wish Jackson were playing for the Ravens. You know, get a little more need for passing the ball. But if. If Watson, if. If it's Malik Willis, you know, what's the difference in ranking, Jamie, for Watson with Love versus with Willis.

[Adam Mazer]

So right now we have it ranked as if Willis is playing. And I believe I have Watson somewhere around like 29 or 30. If Love is playing, Watson will bump up about five or six spots.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay, Dave, let's talk about Josh Jacobs and Emmanuel Wilson. What's your confidence level in the packers.

[Dave Richard]

Backfield if there's no Jacobs, if they, they end up resting him? I would like Emmanuel Wilson quite a bit. If it's Jacobs active, I don't know he's going to get his usual workload. I don't know how efficient he'll be. I do want to give him the benefit of the doubt on those things, but they, they creep into the back of my mind. And therefore, Jacobs isn't a usual top 10 type of running back. He's going to be in that top 15 to 20 type range in that type of situation. You got to see how practice turns out on Friday and what they end up doing for the game.

[Adam Mazer]

So again, Jacobs is off the injury report, so he's gonna.

[Dave Richard]

Is it like, hold on, is the injury report in for Green Bay or. They released.

[Adam Mazer]

He was not listed as anything limited. He was. From what I saw. Jacobs removed from the injury report. So.

[Dave Richard]

Okay, so here. I usually don't look at this stuff until Friday, but they play on Saturday, so it's worth looking at. Now, Jacob's limited all week. Not on the entry board. He's playing.

[Adam Mazer]

So I, I think, you know, you talked about the scenarios for the Steelers and the Rams. The packers can still win the division, and so they need to win this game and then figure out what happens with the Bears on Sunday night.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay.

[Dave Richard]

Correct now. Yep.

[Adam Mazer]

So they may, they may go full go with Jacobs and sit him next week.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I am seeing that Christian Watson, by the way, did not practice. Was listed right. Did not practice within. But no, he was full.

[Adam Mazer]

Full.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Did not practice. But I think it's an illness.

[Adam Mazer]

He does have an illness. You are correct. Yes. I saw one of the beat writers say there's.

[Dave Richard]

And he's questionable for the game.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah. With the illness. But I think he's healthy in terms of the.

[Adam Mazer]

What was that?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Shoulder? Chest. Okay. All right.

[Adam Mazer]

So I, I'll just say for Jacobs, I think you just treat him as number two running back at this point. You know, last week they were very comfortable going to Emmanuel Wilson. It coincided with Jacob's fumbling. But as Matt LaFleur said, they just thought Wilson was. Was playing better than Jacobs at that point. So who knows how Much of that carries over to this week. I'm gonna guess that if they have. It's kind of twofold, because if they have an opportunity to play with the lead late in the game, it's probably gonna be Wilson just to make sure Jacobs is healthy. But I think if they get there, it's because Jacobs did something to help them get there. So if I have Jacobs, most likely I'm starting.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay. Jacobs or Ramandre.

[Adam Mazer]

It's so dependent on Travion.

[Dave Richard]

It sure is. If there's no Travion, I'm starting Ramandre.

[Adam Mazer]

Agreed.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

If there's no trivia. Okay, never mind. Because there's.

[Adam Mazer]

But I will say this. If Travion plays, they are close. Stevenson will still be a number two running back for me. Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

But I'd take Jacobs over him.

[Adam Mazer]

Correct.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Jacobs or Kyron Williams?

[Adam Mazer]

Kyren.

[Dave Richard]

I have Kyron as of now.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Jacobs or Michael Wilson?

[Adam Mazer]

Jacobs.

[Dave Richard]

Especially if catches aren't full.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right, I think that's it. Oh, starters at Jordan Love, the Raven, if he plays Ravens have given up some fantasy points through the last four games. I think been kind of struggling against quarterbacks.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah. The one that didn't was burrow in that strange game. He'll be a low end starter.

[Dave Richard]

I wouldn't start him over Caleb or Hertz or Brissette. I would start him over. Shuck Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah. So right now I think I have shock at 12. That's probably where Love will go. And chuckle. Bump down.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right, Packers DST or Rams dst.

[Adam Mazer]

I would go Packers.

[Dave Richard]

I've got Rams one spot ahead of the Packers.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Zay Flowers or a Mecca Abuka.

[Adam Mazer]

Say flowers. All right.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

That's a. From flowers.

[Dave Richard]

I think it's really like a no confidence book.

[Adam Mazer]

I feel like you ask. You take a lot of Jeff's questions because of the Simpsons.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I have no idea. I. I do not pick any. Anyone's questions based on anything other than.

[Adam Mazer]

I think you do. I mean, look, Jeff asked a lot of great questions, but I think it's because you love the Simpsons, which is fine. And he has the Simpsons out. Like he knows how to get to you. Like, you avoid a lot of the. You know, a lot of people use the picture of you getting scared.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I don't avoid that at all. I don't avoid anything. Packers or Saints?

[Adam Mazer]

Packers. I mean, they're facing Tyler Huntley at home.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah. Okay.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah.

[Adam Mazer]

On the pregame show on hq. That. This is one of those games where, you know, you're playing with a backup quarterback. You're going on the road in the cold at night like this could be ugly.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

By the way, last thing here, the. Oh, there's. Is there any chance of that? Malik Willis and Jordan Love both don't play.

[Adam Mazer]

I mean, there has to be a chance of it. They're both listed as questionable.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Right.

[Adam Mazer]

Okay.

[Dave Richard]

But they practice. They were limited in practice all week, which means it's probably unlikely that their third stringer got a lot of reps in.

[Adam Mazer]

Jordan Love was taking all the first team reps as far as I understand. Okay, cool.

[Dave Richard]

That sounds like he's gonna play.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah, well, he's got. I mean, listen, he's just got to clear a concussion protocol, so. Right. If. If he clears, he's gonna play for sure.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, I'm. I might expect Jordan Love at this point.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

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[Jamie Eisenberg]

Caleb Williams is QB10 for Dave, Jamie and Heath. Your stat of the game. I'll sum it up like this. Caleb Williams does well in good matchups and good quarterbacks do well against San Francisco. So Dave mentioned it was his player that he loved yesterday. So Caleb Williams is a start as QB10 just behind Jalen Hurts. Jamie, give me your thoughts on the Bears running backs. We did talk about them on the Wednesday Tough Call show, but it's a somewhat confident ranking for DeAndre Swift given that he struggled in four of his last six games. Would you start Swift or Jacobs.

[Adam Mazer]

Right now? Swift, but that could change as I evaluated again later today. But I think you just look at Swift in this matchup. You know, Dave said it best. A lot of this is based on what the expected score could be and how these two teams should be able to, or lack thereof, defend each other. So Swift's still the lead running back. I still expect him to get enough work and if they are chasing points, I like him better in a, in a game where they're going to use him in the passing downs role. So he's a number two running back. You know, again it'll sort of shake out a little bit where maybe he's closer to 20 than he is to 12 but still a guy that you should plan on. I mean like I have him in a couple finals I'm starting.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay, this is an easy one for us. Question from the chat Swift or Rico Dowdle? We're definitely going Swift here.

[Adam Mazer]

Yep. Yes.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And Dave, Jamie talked about DJ Moore, how he's he's a number one receiver right now, but if Luther Burden plays, he'd still rank him ahead of Luther Burden. He'd be a number two receiver. When, when before Luther Burden's injury we were ranking Burden ahead of D.J. moore. He was coming on strong. He scored 14 plus PPR fantasy points on 39 of the snaps. In the most recent game he played Luther Burden, this was looking like an emergence. How are you feeling about the wide receivers?

[Dave Richard]

I'm still going to start more overburdened, but it's going to be very close. And you've been riding the bolt of Lightning with DJ Moore over the last two weeks. Just some clarity on his last two games before that big 46 yard game winning overtime touchdown last week DJ Moore had 9.1 PPR points and after Luther Burden got hurt two weeks ago and that was a big game for DJ Moore and scored a red zone touchdown. After that he still had nine, I think it's 9.2 PPR points. So I, I feel like there's no question that there's a chance that DJ Moore doesn't get the same type of opportunity and if he doesn't have those magical touchdowns that he's gonna be really bad for your fantasy team. So there's risk with him for sure. That being said, this is a 49ers defense that can't pressure the quarterback. Philip Rivers just had a decent game throwing the ball and he had a couple of deep touchdowns last week. And so DJ Moore should be in line to be at least a number two fantasy wide receiver and Luther Burden should be a high end flex.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay, Jamie, if Burden plays, where would.

[Adam Mazer]

You rank him in that? In the top 30. You know, so I end number three receiver, borderline number two guy.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay, so how about Christian Watson versus Luther Burden?

[Adam Mazer]

I'll take Watson if Jordan Love plays, but they'll be close.

[Dave Richard]

Agreed? Agreed.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay, how about Luther Burden or DeAndre Swift in full PPR?

[Adam Mazer]

I probably still stick with Swift. I just don't. I'm hoping that Burden is healthy. You know, I'm glad that he's going to play, but coming off of what I think was reported as a high ankle sprain, you know, so two weeks, week and a half out, you know, you want to be a little bit cautious with it.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

That's a great point. You said earlier you, you. I think it was you. You picked up Tonjas and loveland in.

[Adam Mazer]

The 10 team league. Yes.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Who are you going to go with?

[Adam Mazer]

I'll probably go with Tanjas, especially Burden plays. If Burton is out, I might go Loveland. I just think you look at what Tonjas did in the games where Kittle was out. Remember Kittle missed the weeks three through six, I believe it was or two.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

He got hurt in week one. I think he missed two through six.

[Adam Mazer]

Okay, so he missed two through five. So four games he was out. Okay. Tons just were good. And that wasn't all with Brock Purdy. So the way Purdy's playing right now, I think he just trusts the San Francisco offense a little bit more. So the problem with Loveland is he's had a good stretch. He's had a nice month to close the the season, but it's been in that 10 ppr point range without a touchdown. And you're looking at still Cole Comet being part of this. You know, I, I thought last week, no Burden, no Dunes a Loveland was going to see more targets. Forget about the, you know, results. I thought he'd be more involved and he wasn't. You know, so the Bears can be weird. They can come out and Ben Johnson just says, you know, we're going to try and run the ball and keep the ball out of Brock Purdy's Hands and, you know, everything Dave said about Caleb Williams is right. You know, no pass rush and. And whatever. And that's just the M.O. for the bears. Last week was a weird game because, remember, the packers just did everything they possibly could keep the ball away from the Bears. So time of possession was. Was kind of skewed. So I think that factors into some of it. But I. I like loved one. I think there's a great opportunity for him. I'm just gonna, you know, aside from maybe Pearsall, like, if I could push my chips in the middle of the table with. With 49ers guys, I want to do so. So Purdy McCaffrey, tight end, and Jennings, I think all those guys have a chance to continue to play well.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, Purdy, I don't know if there's anything else we have to say about the. We should do some more levels.

[Adam Mazer]

Let me.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Let's finish off with Colson. Love one here because he basically never gets a Target share higher than 18 or so, as Jamie was kind of alluding to. So one person asked. Loveland or Taysom Hill?

[Adam Mazer]

Lovely.

[Dave Richard]

It totally comes down to what you think you're going to get out of Taysom Hill. I'm going to go Loveland because I'm not ready to buy into Taysom Hill being a featured part of the Saints offense.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And here's a question. Loveland or Kittle? You just heard Jamie break that. Loveland or Ton just. I mean, you just heard Jamie break that down. Dave, who would you go with, Loveland or Tonjas?

[Dave Richard]

Ton just. If there's no Kittle, no question.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay. How about Loveland or you're going to go Joanne Johnson over Loveland?

[Dave Richard]

Yep.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

How about Loveland or Dallas Goddard?

[Dave Richard]

I would take Goddard.

[Adam Mazer]

I would take.

[Dave Richard]

I know. I know that it's the scary matchup against Buffalo, but that's. I just. I like the role that he's had in Philadelphia over the last three weeks.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah, I. I would take the easier matchup and the game that's expected to be more high scoring. Okay.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Brock Purdy is fifth for you guys. So Purdy or Lawrence?

[Dave Richard]

Yes, I have Purdy one spot higher as of now.

[Adam Mazer]

I'll take Lawrence, but it's very close.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right, start. Brock.

[Dave Richard]

I'm sorry, I have Lawrence one spot higher.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay. It. Are you going. Is there a scenario where you're not sitting, where you're not starting? Juwan Jennings, like, Kittle, plays Pierce. All plays. Would you sit Jennings or would you. I'm sorry. Would you maybe make him a flex or Something like that.

[Adam Mazer]

No, I just think, you know, you hate chasing touchdowns to this level because it's not like the yardage has been overwhelming. But again, like Purdy is so dialed in right now. He, he looks so awesome last week. I, I, I hate the fact that he had that interception late in the game, you know, and it was the same problem that he's had when he's had turnovers. It's just he let the ball go high. But like this, the fact that they have and it's such a credit to Kyle Shanahan, the fact that they are in position to be the 1 seed in the NFC and the way that he looks right now and you know, they may get a couple guys healthy, you know, especially with Pierce hall back but you know, getting like gross mottos back last week defensively, like they're just getting healthy at the right time for what their health is. I don't know. I, I think if Purdy was playing the entire season, we'd be talking about him as an MVP candidate. He just looks so good the last few games. Love the fact that Jennings has just been one of his guys. So I'm going to start Jennings and.

[Dave Richard]

Just look at the touchdown streak. I mean you're going to have Colby Parkinson PTSD from, from this. But he's scored in six of his last seven games.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I know, but that's just not sustainable. I mean he is getting, if we.

[Dave Richard]

Had so last week we could have brought up that he had scored in five of his last six and you would have said I know but this isn't sust. Well what did he do? He had five for 71 and a touchdown. And he's still gotta take a chance on something.

[Adam Mazer]

Like it's not like he's getting two or three. It's not like Isaac Tesla, you know, like we're not talking about a guy that just relying on touchdown. The yards are gross. But it's still getting, he's still getting chances.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, I don't usually Pierce all his return is enough to scare me off of Jennings at all.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I mean what's weird is Pierce all remember Pierce hall came back his first three games he was horrible. And then week 15 he comes back and Pearsall had a great game. And while Pearsall was on the field, Jennings only had a 15 a 1010 target share. But it's a lot to ask for. Like if Pierce all plays, you guys gonna have any confidence in him?

[Adam Mazer]

Low end, number three receiver, desperation play.

[Dave Richard]

Yep.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I would have zero confidence in him if Kittle plays. But if Kittle is out, Kittle is crushing it right now. I mean, he's in the freaking zone. So it's a huge void that they have to fill. And I think, I mean, I feel like we should talk about that with Purdy. Are you going to knock Purdy down if Kittle doesn't play?

[Adam Mazer]

Not really.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, I mean I kind of.

[Dave Richard]

It makes it easier to start Lawrence though.

[Adam Mazer]

I think when you look again, Ton just is not Kittle.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Nope.

[Adam Mazer]

But like you saw, that was a touchdown last week.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

He, he had. Okay, so he played. If you want to go through Ton just here. He played Weeks 1 through 6. He caught a touchdown in Week 1 after Kittle left. Scored seven points at New Orleans in Week 2, scored four points, four points against Arizona in Week 3. Mac Jones, he had five targets, three catches, 58 yards and a touchdown in his only game with Brock Purdy 14.

[Dave Richard]

Well, the game in Seattle was a Brock Purdy game too.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And week one was Brock Purdy. I'm sorry, the only game.

[Dave Richard]

The game I'm talking about. Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Which game in Seattle?

[Dave Richard]

Oh, week one, week one.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, it was kind of a fluky touchdown.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right, so he's caught three touchdowns from Brock Purdy this year. It's pretty impressive. And the Bears against tight ends. All right, it's interesting. You know what I think I'm going to do? I'm going to drop Colby Parkinson and pick up Tonjas and then if Kittle plays, I'll play Tyler Warren. I guess going to get my ass kicked. Sorry.

[Dave Richard]

Oh my God. A curse word. But I have to apologize to the audience for that.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I do wonder, I do wonder if Ricky Pierce all could have a really big game of Kittles out. I think he's always got that potential. He's a downfield guy, you know, he. A lot of yards per catch. Just needs the targets. That's something to think about. Start McCaffrey. All right, next game, Giants are at the Raiders. Jamie Genti's Genti.

[Adam Mazer]

Yay.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Right?

[Adam Mazer]

You gotta hope so. I mean, you know you're talking about a guy that was a monster last week against a really tough defense and now he's facing arguably the best matchup in, in the NFL this season for running backs. Number two in most fantasy points allowed to the position. So they're up there in the conversation. So you gotta hope that this was the Genti we were hoping to see all season. What we saw last week, 128 yards rushing, 60 yard touchdown catch. Like he could just absolutely be A monster in this matchup. So hopefully that's the case. Must start guy. I think he's the only Raiders that only Raider that's a must start guy. Mayer is in the borderline starting conversation for tight ends because he's had some good moments earlier in the season when Bowers was not there. But it's not someone you want to trust in your championship week. Like again, if we're talking backup tight ends, I would much rather have tonsis if there's no kiddo than mayor without Bowers there. And I do think Trey Tucker is worth a look just because the Giants not great at defending receivers as we know. And in the four game stretch where there was no Bowers in two of those games, I'm sorry, three game stretch with no Bowers in two of those Games, he was over 11 PPR points. So desperation number three receiver, you know, you got to be really desperate. I think he can get there and that's where he was last week too. I like the fact that he gave him two carries. So trying to manufacture some touches for him. It's just a very difficult passing attack to trust. So as bad as the Giants are, I don't think you want to look at it and say, okay, this is any sort of certainty with any of these players.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Actually, yeah, I wanted to bring that up with Tucker because in the three games without Bowers, weeks five, six and seven, he led the team in receiving every week and he had the one game, five catches for 33 yards. That was a game where Geno Smith and Kenny Pickett combined for 75 passing yards in that blowout at Kansas City. But Trey Tucker did lead the team in receiving with 4, 62 yards, 70 yards and 33 yards in all three games. Yeah, we're talking about teams that are in their fantasy championship. I can't imagine a ton of you are starting Trey Tucker, but there might be a league out there where it actually matters. Yeah, Dave, I don't know why. I just. I feel like if Andrew Thomas were playing, I assume he won't. I feel like I would be confident in the Giants. The Thomas thing kills me. They're never good without him ever, basically. I mean, they're indoors. They've had some rough elements. The Raiders, Raiders actually are not that bad defensively. They don't give up big plays. They are one of the best in the NFL at eliminating big plays. I want to believe in the Giants, but I just don't. So who's your. Who's the best? Giants. Sorry, you think it's you think it's Wondale, you'd start him over? Tracy.

[Dave Richard]

It's close between Wandale and Tracy. For now, I have Tracy a little bit ahead because I figure he's still going to be the lead running back. And he gets some catches, too. And there's just a higher floor for him than there is for Wandell Robinson. But it's like I said earlier in the show, I can't trust this coaching staff in New York right now after what happened last week.

[Adam Mazer]

Well, why would you use last barometer like that? That. To me.

[Dave Richard]

What did they do? They came into a game against Minnesota and they said, we're going to try and just run the ball as much as possible.

[Adam Mazer]

That made a ton of sense.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, it did make a ton of sense for what they were doing, which is trying to not win the game.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

No, I think they were.

[Dave Richard]

I think it was a great game plan. To put them in a position to not win.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

No.

[Dave Richard]

And I think that that's what they're trying.

[Adam Mazer]

I don't. I don't agree with that at all. I think you're talking about an interim coach trying to be a quarterback where you have players that are trying to still establish themselves as. As guys in this league. They. They were trying to stay away from the strength of what Minnesota is.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah.

[Adam Mazer]

And knowing. Knowing full well, which the Lions apparently didn't realize because I don't understand. They got lucky scoring that touchdown. Why Dan Campbell is not kicking field goals. Because that other offense could not move the ball.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Completely agree. And punting, too. I.

[Adam Mazer]

And it just made no sense to. Should they have thrown the ball more? Yes. Was that the right game plan to try to run on Minnesota? Absolutely. That was the right game plan to try to run on Minnesota.

[Dave Richard]

Well, by the time they needed to throw the football, their offensive line was decimated. Jackson Dart was in the medical tent again. This is. I just. I don't feel comfortable with these guys.

[Adam Mazer]

That's perfectly fine. But. But to say that they went out there trying to lose because they ran the ball against.

[Dave Richard]

No, I'm saying that. All right, fine. Maybe that's a bridge too far. But it's. It was still a game plan that was suspicious to me.

[Adam Mazer]

Okay, fine.

[Dave Richard]

No team goes out there trying to lose. I shouldn't have said that. But it was suspicious that they decided to go that route.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay, so Jackson Dart. Someone's asking Jackson Dart or Jordan?

[Dave Richard]

Love. Love.

[Adam Mazer]

They'll be close. I'd rather go with love. But I would not be surprised if Dart has a good game Remember, there. There's. There's, you know, depending on who you listen to, there's some. There's some chatter out there. And I don't know how you feel about that as a Giants fan, Adam. That the Giants should get the 1 pick and trade Jackson dart?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

No, I do not feel that they should do that, but I haven't scouted Mendoza enough yet, so we'll see. But, no, I don't think they should. So Jackson dart or Tyler Shuck?

[Adam Mazer]

Shuck. But it's close.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Bryce Young against Seattle.

[Dave Richard]

I think I have younger.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Kirk Cousins or dart.

[Dave Richard]

I think you're. I think you're in trouble in fantasy. Either way.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right, fair enough.

[Adam Mazer]

I have dart higher.

[Dave Richard]

I have dart higher than Young. But you're in trouble either way.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay. Tyrone Tracy Jr. Or Michael Wilson?

[Adam Mazer]

Wilson. And PPR.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Tyrone Tracy Jr. Or Christian Watson?

[Adam Mazer]

Tracy.

[Dave Richard]

I will probably end up with Tracy over Watson, but it's going to be.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Close most of the year. The Raiders have had a good run defense. They've struggled a little bit lately, and they've allowed 15 rushing touchdowns in 15 games to running backs. All right, I have some questions here. Tyrone Tracy or Blake Corum?

[Adam Mazer]

Tracy.

[Dave Richard]

I agree.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Tracy or Rico Dowdle?

[Adam Mazer]

Tracy.

[Dave Richard]

I'll go Tracy.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Darius Slayton, Luther Burden or Parker Washington?

[Adam Mazer]

Not Slayton. I'll probably go Burden over Washington.

[Dave Richard]

I think I will, too.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

You go in Wondale. Over.

[Dave Richard]

Both of those guys.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Wanda. Over. No, I was gonna say like Luther. Luther Burton, but not over DJ Moore. If Luther Burton plays, would go Wanda or DJ Moore?

[Adam Mazer]

Wanda.

[Dave Richard]

I'm probably going to end up with Wando.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay, here's a good one. Tracy or Pitman?

[Dave Richard]

I don't feel good saying this. Tracy or Pittman? Tracy.

[Adam Mazer]

Tracy.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Tracy or Flowers? Oh, this is Ted Orille. McMillan or flowers, but I'll change it to tracy or flowers?

[Adam Mazer]

McMillan over flowers.

[Dave Richard]

And Tracy over flowers.

[Adam Mazer]

Tracy over flowers. Assuming Lamar doesn't make a miraculous recovery.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Here'S one that says Dave is right. The Giants are losing on purpose. And let me tell you something.

[Dave Richard]

I don't think. I think they're finding creative ways to lose games. Yes.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

The Sad thing is, JDs, they're not losing on purpose. They're just this bad.

[Dave Richard]

And they're gonna especially be this bad with. It really does come down. Let's think about what we learned from the Lions game on Thursday. The if the offensive line is just in such bad shape, and we've seen it before. Adam, you talked about this. It's hard to be confident in any of these guys, especially when you're quarterback.

[Adam Mazer]

Sorry, I didn't realize the Raiders offensive line was so good.

[Dave Richard]

No, no, listen, I'm not talking about the Raiders offensive line being good either. But who are we talking about from the Raiders that we love? Other than Ashton Genti?

[Adam Mazer]

No, but you're making it seem as if the Giants went out there to lose last week on purpose because they tried.

[Dave Richard]

No, no, no.

[Adam Mazer]

They're going in there against a Raiders team that's so bad. Also, they're bad.

[Dave Richard]

Were you talking about the Raiders defensive line or offensive line? Just both.

[Adam Mazer]

Okay. They're.

[Dave Richard]

They've got Max Crosby. They've got a good line.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

It's not just Andrew Thomas. Also.

[Dave Richard]

Then it sucks on sucks. But I'll still take the offensive line as being worse. It's bad for the Giants with that offense.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yes, they have two offensive line injuries. Last week they had three. This week they currently have two guys who were listed as did not practice on Wednesday and Thursday, including.

[Dave Richard]

But it's Thomas at left tackle. Like it's clearly that guy. When he doesn't play, things go backward. I don't even know if we get a full game out of Jackson Dart because if Max Crosby is up against a backup left tackle and Dart's been spending time in the medical 10 each week, I mean, it is what it is. I hate talking about this, but that makes me nervous to start Jackson Dart.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Drop my phone.

[Adam Mazer]

Great.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Giants DST. Where are they ranked, Jamie?

[Adam Mazer]

Just outside the top 12.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Dave?

[Dave Richard]

Nowhere near the top 12.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Oh, okay. Seattle's at Carolina. Updated stat of the game. Panthers have allowed eight touchdown passes in their last nine games. That includes games against Josh Allen, Jordan Love, Brock Purdy and Matthew Stafford. Panthers are a weird team, man. They could get killed. Or they could win. They are just a very strange. I don't know how this game. What's that?

[Adam Mazer]

They can't tie.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

No, they definitely can't tie.

[Adam Mazer]

No way.

[Dave Richard]

They refuse.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

But they've been pretty solid defensively lately. All right, so Darnold or Dart?

[Dave Richard]

I've got Sam Hire. I'm almost sure of it.

[Adam Mazer]

Dart for sure. All right.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

But that's just to tell you we don't want to start Sam Darnold. No, if you can avoid it. And Ken Walker is your favorite running back in this game?

[Dave Richard]

Yes, reluctantly.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

We did a breakdown of him on beyond the Box Score on Monday. He has had only two games this year where he's had more than 60% of the running back carries. He's usually around 55%. It's just not enough it's not enough, dad. And then the receiving totals are never reliable with him, although he's. That's been better for him. I feel like the receiving total, he's. He's at a target per out run rate of 18.8% or higher in six of his last seven games. He has three to four targets in five of his last six games. Problem is, you know, he's coming off the field near the goal line. Most likely. It's Ken Walker we're talking about.

[Adam Mazer]

Do you see the. The video game meme of him that's been making the rounds? Yes.

[Dave Richard]

I didn't see it.

[Adam Mazer]

It's so funny. It's him in a breakaway run and he gets close to the goal line. He just dives and falls down.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And then Charbonne's it on the next play, right?

[Adam Mazer]

Yes.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, it's really fun, that.

[Dave Richard]

But that's how it was even last week.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

Like, Walker looked great. He had that awesome breakout game, and he basically had a couple of just, like, huge plays, and everybody knows it, but he didn't play the most snaps. He didn't play near the goal line. He didn't play on third downs as much as Charbonnet. It's. It's the same role. It's going to be the same thing. I. I can't say that Walker's going to be awesome just because he had the game that he had last week.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I just can't tell you how satisfying it was for me to drop Rico Dowdle in a league and he didn't even get picked up. I'm just. It was such a spite drop, but it made sense for my roster. I didn't just do it for fun, but I was like, there is no chance. I'm starting Rico Doddle. Who's the best start in this game other than JSN.

[Adam Mazer]

It's a great question. Probably going McMillan next.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah. Yes. And it's scary as hell because we know that that Seattle defense is great. Jamie brought this up earlier in the week. The offensive line for Carolina could be getting healthy. Aquanu, their left tackle, full practice so far this week. Robert Hunt coming back from a biceps injury. He's been limited this week. That greatly improves their offensive line. That makes it much more of a challenge for Seattle's pass rush against Bryce Young. And Bryce Young has thrown when he's had time. Man, he's made some really good throws this year. If we're expecting Seattle to build a leader, even if the game's competitive, this could be one of those eight plus target games for Tetaro McMillan. And just given wide receivers and how much uncertainty there is, you might gravitate toward him in full ppr. It's not really the worst thing in the world.

[Adam Mazer]

There's a comment in the chat about Dowdle hitting his bonus last week. He is 70 total yards away from a million dollars, so I don't know if there was a bonus that he got last week, but I know that's the one it might have been.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I don't even.

[Dave Richard]

I've got it right here.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I don't even see Reek Willen on the injury report.

[Dave Richard]

No. Looks like he's gonna play. Kobe Bryant's on the injury.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

So he doesn't practice all week, but he's the only guy, right?

[Adam Mazer]

And Derek hall suspended.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Derek Hall, Yeah, he's a linebacker. He's suspended. But that, that's, I mean, that's really interesting because I think with McMillan, I don't know how you guys feel, but I feel like he had those couple games where he had very few targets and I just. It was like, that was just weird. Usually you can at least rely on him to get about eight targets. I feel like he should get that. But Seattle's been so lights out against wide receivers. Not having Kobe Bryant is a. Is a big deal. But yeah, I, I mean, I. This sucks that they actually are, for McMillan, that they're actually pretty healthy in the secondary because basically it's only superstars that do well against them for the most part. It's not entirely true, but. Yeah. Jamie, how you feeling about McMillan? I think he's around 22nd or so in the rankings.

[Adam Mazer]

Go back to the Wednesday episode of Tough Calls. I mean, he's in that conversation for a reason. So you hope that he gets the targets. You hope that there's a situation where the Seahawks playing with the lead and Bryce Young is forced to throw and those guys get their opportunities, whether it's him or Coker or both. I just think you got to treat McMillan in a similar range as Zay Flowers with a backup quarterback and Michael Wilson with Marvin Harrison there and Watson with, you know, banged up Jordan Love. Like, there's just a lot of question marks. This is why this position has been very challenging all season long. And going into this week, you know, we thought we had slam dunks and Pickens and Lamb and, you know, several of these guys, and they just haven't delivered so far. I'm probably going to be disappointed again. I just think you hope that game script wise, McMillan's involved and can come through with a big, you know, a big stat line. You know, I know for me, I have him in one league, and my. My choice is between him and Brian Thomas and a Mecca book, and I'm sending a book of those guys.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And you'd start him over Brian? If you could only pick one, you'd pick McMillan, right?

[Adam Mazer]

Of course.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah. Okay, so he's a start. Let's. Let's hope for the best. There's obviously bus potential, but there's going to be that with almost every wide receiver in that range. You'd start Jacoby Myers over him?

[Adam Mazer]

I would.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Juwan Jennings over him, yep. How about Michael Carter?

[Adam Mazer]

Over.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Would you start Michael Carter or Ted roll? McMillan.

[Adam Mazer]

No. McMill.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Dave?

[Dave Richard]

I think so, yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

You wouldn't start Dylan Sampson or anything like that? Over.

[Adam Mazer]

No.

[Dave Richard]

You're getting too cute.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

Right. But I feel like you're. It's getting too cute. I am cute. Thank you, Dave.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I got some questions in the chat. Let's see. Ken Walker or Dylan Sampson?

[Dave Richard]

PPR still Walker as of now.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Pick two out of three. Walker, Dowdle, McMillan.

[Adam Mazer]

Sit down.

[Dave Richard]

Agreed.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Scott, you better watch this game. Right. You got a lot on the line. Rico Dowdle, Blake Corum or Emmanuel Wilson? We're expecting Jacobs to play. The answer would be Wilson if Jacobs didn't play. But Jacobs is off the injury report. So. Rico or Corum?

[Adam Mazer]

Corum.

[Dave Richard]

I still have Rico.

[Adam Mazer]

Higher.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Rico or Stevenson? That's an easy one. We're going Stevenson even if Travion plays, right?

[Adam Mazer]

Correct.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Probably Teteroa or Michael Wilson.

[Adam Mazer]

Wilson.

[Dave Richard]

Wilson.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Last one, Charbonnet. Carter or Rico Dowdle?

[Adam Mazer]

Carter.

[Dave Richard]

I believe I have Carter. The highest of the three.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Did I miss anything from this game? We're not starting. Rashid Shahid Cup, Right? We're good, right?

[Adam Mazer]

I think so.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

A.J. barner. Any interest in him?

[Adam Mazer]

Not really. Okay.

[Dave Richard]

Nope.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I didn't say Bryce Young's name. How do you feel about Bryce Young, Dave?

[Dave Richard]

Number two quarterback desperation. Starting one QB leagues. And that's. You know that. That's also part of the problem with. With Tedroa is if we. If we don't love his quarterback, how can we really love Ted Roll? And I don't think we do. It's. It's really just coming down to player with huge upside. Tough matchup.

[Adam Mazer]

I don't know.

[Dave Richard]

I can't start Bryce Young. I don't feel good about it.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Rams are at the Falcons. Matthew Stafford is a top three quarterback. So we're approaching this game as if the Rams are just going for it they're just gonna play, you know, you want, you want to back up Stafford with Garoppolo or something like that, that's fine. But he's a top three quarterback I think. Third for Jamie, second for Dave and number one for Heath, Kyren Williams, Blake Corum, these guys have been scoring a lot. They'll run on it. They run all over everyone. They don't get a ton of carries, but they're both averaging about five yards per carry in their last nine games. So Jamie, give me your thoughts on the, on the running backs.

[Adam Mazer]

Kyron's a good number two running back. Corum's a good flex. Corum has actually done a great job finding the end zone, you know, so if you want to talk about Juwan Jennings and chasing those type of touchdowns. Corum has three straight games with 11 plus carries. He scored four touchdowns in his last three games. He scored a touchdown. He's last four games I think but just finding the end zone and that's, you know, something that is, is really scary when you're not talking about a guy getting 20 plus touches per game and certainly no work in the passing game. But you are talking about a Falcons team that could get just blitzed here and, and struggle because of how good the Rams are. That being said, I think the, the Falcons offense can show up here and make this a game. So I think Cormi just treat him as, as what he has been, you know, a touchdown dependent flex. Why I like him better than Corum. Excuse me? Why I like him better than Rico for example. I just don't trust the matchup for Rico and he's also become a touchdown dependent running back as well. So I'll take the guy in the better offense but in the case of, of Kyron, I think you're just hoping that he gets a touchdown opportunity here or finds the end zone. He's got opportunities but finds the end zone and doesn't get quorumed and lose those touchdown chances.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I'm trying to look up a stat real quick here. Since week nine, they had a buy in week eight. Since week nine carries from the three yard line are closer Derek Henry leads the NFL with nine, Blake Quorum is tied for second with eight and Kyron Williams has six. So that's 14amongst the two of them. That's amazing. In, in nine games they have 14 goal line carries. I, I say goal line is the one to the three yard line. There's no hard definition for it but they get their opportunities and Kyron, Kyren in those in his last 11 games on pace for 241 carries. So he's not getting whatever. I'm talking in circles. Star, Pukinakua. There's no interest in another Rams wide receiver, is there?

[Adam Mazer]

No. Okay.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And then Parkinson. You know, I thought to myself, ah, Parkinson, maybe it's just one bad game. He's still got some appeal. I, part of me believes that. But the Falcons have allowed only two touchdowns to tight ends last year.

[Dave Richard]

This year, yep, he's totally scoring. I'm not, I'm not recommending him as a start. I'm desperate for a tight end in my keeper league, and I, I, I don't think I've got the stones to start Colby Parkinson. But after last week, I've just, I feel like I've seen it 100 times that guys, the week after, everybody's on them, they come back and they, they dunk on us. We're getting dunked on.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

So this is a good question here. It says, pick up and start Kirk Cousins if Matthew Stafford sits. And maybe there's a scenario.

[Dave Richard]

Yes.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

If Stafford sits, that could mean they're sitting players on defense, too. So.

[Dave Richard]

And on offense, it's not bad.

[Adam Mazer]

So this, this is a, you know, you want to talk about the 49ers tight ends versus Loveland, I would start the 49ers tight ends. If you're talking about the Rams quarterbacks versus Cousins, I'd rather start Cousins over Garoppolo.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Right.

[Adam Mazer]

In that scenario. So, yes, if you are concerned about Stafford not playing a full game or sitting, which I don't think, I mean, he's chasing the mvp. It's a spotlight game.

[Dave Richard]

I agree.

[Adam Mazer]

I think, you know, facing the, the NFC south winner is a very important deal. So I'm going to guess the Rams play their guys the majority of the game. If there's a blowout either way, maybe we see Stafford sit. If there's a blowout, positively clearly it's because of Stafford. So, yes, if you're concerned, back up Stafford with Cousins. That's the way I think.

[Dave Richard]

You have to literally see a report saying the Rams are going to rest their starters. If you don't see that, don't speculate. Just start Stafford.

[Adam Mazer]

So in case anybody missed, we just got a question in the chat. Why would Stafford sit? So the scenario would be is if both Seattle and San Francisco win, the Rams have no chance to get the NFC west division title or the 1 seed. And so they would be locked into a wild card spot. That's why we're saying that. Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay. So on the Rams side of the ball, start, Bijan Cousins is not like a horrible play. He's 19th for Jamie, 15th for Dave, 23rd for for Heath. Rams are giving up some points to quarterbacks these days.

[Adam Mazer]

He's been good the last two games, but he's been facing, you know, crappy competition.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah. And we've got Drake London at wide receiver, 17 or 18. You know, we just don't know how healthy he is. It's a good matchup. Right now The Rams are 24th against wide receivers. Thirteen wide receivers have scored more than scored 15.6 or more fantasy points against them. So you don't have to fear the matchup, you just have to fear the outcome. I guess for London, I asked you earlier, Kyren or London? Dave, I think you said Kyren, right?

[Dave Richard]

Yes.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Jamie, Kyron or London. Okay. And then Kyle Pitts is tight end four. And the great thing is he's getting in his last two games, five red zone, three green zone, three end zone targets in his last two games. This is something that is more than he had in the first 13 games combined. In terms of he has more red zone targets in his last two games, more end zone targets in his last two games than he did in his first 13 games combined. And that you need that because he wasn't scoring touchdowns. And yeah, we love Kyle Pitts. So I've got some chat questions. Let's see what we got. We got Corum or Ramandre Stevenson. So let's say Travion Henderson plays. Would that even be tough call for you?

[Dave Richard]

Still Stevenson, barely, but yes.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Pits over. Would you. Oh, how about this? I have Trey McBride. Would you start pits or DeAndre Swift in PPR?

[Adam Mazer]

Are you related to Jeff?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Did I ask this already?

[Adam Mazer]

No, no, but you got every Jeff question.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

What do you want me to say? He keeps asking questions.

[Adam Mazer]

Oh, he's doing a great job. I just.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Listen, look, Jeff A's are good. I mean Jeff Sills good questions. Keep it coming. Pitts or Swift ppr.

[Adam Mazer]

I'd play the tight ends.

[Dave Richard]

I would too.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Stafford or Hertz?

[Adam Mazer]

Stafford.

[Dave Richard]

Matthew. As of now, Stafford. Okay, I. I can't see that we would know something by Sunday morning that suggests that Stafford is a bench for Jalen Hurts.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I'm playing against Stafford in both. Oh, Jeff again.

[Adam Mazer]

Please sit him.

[Dave Richard]

Welcome to fantasy football Today with Adam Mazer, Dave Richard, Jamie eisenberg and jeff sills. 134.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Oh, that's great. Looking for more questions here.

[Adam Mazer]

Honestly, like I. I think I'm on the stream like 45 minutes on Sundays and then like another 15 minutes and I think Jeff probably gets in about.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Are you serious? I don't even notice. I don't even notice. Not joking.

[Adam Mazer]

And you, you said it. He asked great questions. Yeah, but I really think, like, he's got like a buzzer to you or something. Like I'm asking a question.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Like, oh, man. Well, he just said, love you, Adam. Love you too, Jeff. Merry Christmas. Rams. DST is top 10, I guarantee you on.

[Adam Mazer]

If this was like weeks six and we had our full audience, we'd have like 75 Simpsons avatars.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah. Right. There you go.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay.

[Dave Richard]

And they'd be wearing Giants gear and canes. Gear. Like, anything to get their question answered by double A.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Would you start the Rams, DST or the Saints? DST Rams.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Rams or Seahawks?

[Adam Mazer]

Seahawks.

[Dave Richard]

Yes.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Get a room.

[Dave Richard]

All right.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I guess we don't have a ton of questions in here. Stafford or Drake May? The answer is Stafford. It's almost always going to be Stafford.

[Adam Mazer]

It is.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right, Arizona's at Cincinnati. Here's the deal. Starborough start Chase. Brown, start Jamar. Chase start T. Higgins. Micah Sicki's desperation. Tight end start Tong just over him. If you need a replacement for Kittle, start Colson. Loveland over Kasiki. Those are the Bengals. Start Brissette. Dave, who would you start Brissette over? Where's Brissette in your rankings?

[Dave Richard]

I guess he's right back in the top 10. I'm not gonna ding him for last week. I've got him ahead of Jalen Hurts. Caleb Williams had him ahead of golf and Nicks yesterday. Had him behind Dak yesterday. I would start him over Justin Herbert Tyler shuck Baker Mayfield, Jackson dart.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Jamie. Any thoughts more on Brissetta?

[Adam Mazer]

Are we good?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Just expecting a lot of throws in this game.

[Adam Mazer]

Expecting a lot of throws. Keeping on the weather there for that game, but that's fair for now. He's a top 10 quarterback and the only decision I'm struggling with in terms of my own team and rankings is him versus Hertz right now. I've heard it's one spot ahead.

[Dave Richard]

The forecast is rain. This is from Kevin Roth at Roto Grinders. For now, models are keeping the really heavy stuff after the game. 10 to 15 mile an hour winds. So it shouldn't be that bad. It's going to be worse in Cleveland and worse in Buffalo.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right. And we. If you want to hear about Michael Wilson, one question for each game. We talked about him for about five minutes. Marvin Harrison Jr. Is outside the top 30 and Trey McBride is the man. So let's finish with Michael Carter here.

[Adam Mazer]

Well, just to put Harrison in perspective and Dave, disagree with me if you do. But like, I'd start Burden over him. I would start Christian Watson over him. I'd start Alec Pierce over him. I'd start Brian Thomas over him.

[Dave Richard]

So let me give you some names of some other wide receivers and tell me if you'd rather start Harrison because they're behind Harrison for me. Bucks wide receivers not named Mike Evans.

[Adam Mazer]

I'd still start Harrison.

[Dave Richard]

I have it that way, too. I don't know if I love it. Parker Washington coming off of his big game, torn. But right now, Harrison, I'm torn too. Josh Downs, Trey Tucker.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah, this is the range he's in. I think.

[Dave Richard]

I think I'm gonna move Marvin down even more. I just. I don't feel good about how he's looked and I've got questions about how much he'll play.

[Adam Mazer]

I agree. I. I think if he catches that touchdown though, we probably have a different feeling about him.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Can we give A.J. terrell credit now because that was a great play he made.

[Adam Mazer]

Should have caught it.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Sort of agree with you, but it was also. Both can be true. It was a great play and it wasn't that far from being a good game for Brissette. You had that play and you had McBride not being able to hang on to the touchdown either. So.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah, thanks for reminding me.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah. And McBride basically threw away his fantasy MVP trophy that I was going to mail him. All right, Michael Carter, any confidence here? We got the best matchup in fantasy. He. He had great yards per carry last week. 11 carries for 65 yards. Those zero catches thing was nuts. Again, first game all season where a Cardinals running back did not have a catch. They usually have a lot of catches. That's what I was banking on with Carter and the Bengals. They also give up the second most receiving yards per game to running back. So there's a lot to like here. You do have to worry about Corey. Corey Kiner, Falefa and D. Mercado will work in on passing down as well. But Jamie, how. How are you feeling about Michael Carter?

[Adam Mazer]

I think he's a borderline number two running back. You know, it's. That was the first game. Small sample size, but first game of three where he did not get 13 and a half PPR points with double digits in carries. So hopefully he goes back and gets the work again. I doubt that this is a. Hey, let's see what kinder Falafa can do or. Or DiMarcado can do. But those guys can take away work in the passing game. That's the only concern is that that's really where Michael Carter loses. But they throw to the running backs on first and second down. I just think you're talking about a guy that could be a little bit of a trap back because if he's not getting, let's say three to four catches and doesn't get the touchdown opportunities, then we're looking at maybe at best like a 70, 80 total yard game. So the matchup's great. Opportunity is great. Those are the things you're banking on. Last week it was the same thing and he just didn't come through. So I think you just treat him as a lower number two slash flex type option for this week.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Man, I have so many questions.

[Adam Mazer]

I was starting with Rico Dowdle if we want to go, you know, I start him over Breece hall, for example. Don't love those two guys and those are easy replacements. I'd go Tracy over Carter.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right, here we go. Chat questions. Jamie says Tracy over Carter. Brissette or Trevor Lawrence.

[Adam Mazer]

That's great.

[Dave Richard]

Oh, my gosh.

[Adam Mazer]

That's very funny.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Scott says Brissett or Trevor Lawrence. This is Jeff. You said Trevor?

[Adam Mazer]

Yes.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay. Michael Wilson or Omarion Hampton. Half ppr.

[Adam Mazer]

Hampton and half pbr, Especially if I dials up.

[Dave Richard]

Texas has been around us for a long time too, but he doesn't get the love that Jeff sills 140.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, he is. I also love the Simpsons, but don't know how to change my avatar. I'm leading Brian Thomas Jr. Over Michael Wilson. Am I crazy?

[Adam Mazer]

It's not crazy. I mean, if you just take the. The Wilson games with Harrison vs Thomas in the last three games, Thomas has been better. Well, not last week, but two. Last three games. Yeah. So it's not crazy, but I would still start Wilson.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Cousin Ernest. Hey, cousin Ernest. Is it crazy to start Brissette? Michael Wilson and Michael Carter. That's risky.

[Adam Mazer]

It is risky, but.

[Dave Richard]

But it is the Bengals.

[Adam Mazer]

Depends what else you have. Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right, let me do some quick math here. The total is 53 1/2. The Cardinals are 7 1/2 point favorites, so we're looking at like 26. Sorry. The Bengals are 7 1/2 point favorites. 26 1/2. They have about a 23, 23 point expected from Vegas. So that's not great, but it's not bad. They could clearly go over that Drake London or Marvin Harrison. We're going London. Michael Carter or Ken Walker? Ppr.

[Adam Mazer]

Now you're picking this guy?

[Dave Richard]

I'm picking Walker, but I don't really love it. I don't love either of these guys.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Travion Henderson, if he plays, or Michael Carter.

[Adam Mazer]

Henderson.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, it's got to be Henderson.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Front row says yes. Donuts. Tell me why I should start Carter over Marks.

[Adam Mazer]

If you tell me right now, both guys are getting double digits in carries. I will take Carter over Marks. Okay.

[Dave Richard]

I'm not sure Woody Marks is even going to be like a 50% of the snap back for Houston at this point.

[Adam Mazer]

Yep.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Carter or Chuba Hubbard?

[Adam Mazer]

Carter.

[Dave Richard]

Very much agree.

[Adam Mazer]

I mean, I take Carter.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Rico Dow Carter or Blake Corum?

[Adam Mazer]

Carter.

[Dave Richard]

Carter.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Oh, Shakir or Harrison?

[Dave Richard]

The one problem with all this is that Michael Carter is not exactly a great running back. Like he's capable of having an efficient game, but he's still going to share and he could still not get many catches. I'm nervous about it, but it's just opportunity. Should be good. Matchup is clearly good. Hopefully the Cardinals don't let us down. Their offensive lines in rough shape too. I don't know if that matters that much.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Shakira. Harrison.

[Dave Richard]

Shakir.

[Adam Mazer]

Shakir. That's close.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Two more questions. One. Holy crap. It's the last fantasy preview and game preview for 99.9% of us for the next eight and a half months. Thank you to the CBS FFT crew for all the content. Thank you, Corey. Thank you all for watching and listening. The dedicated YouTube audience is amazing. But also we have a normal week 18. We'll do starts and sits, we'll give you DFS tips and we'll also look ahead next week. If you're not playing in week 18. We will have a good amount of 2026 content as well. And then Big Farts says, does Miami lose to Ohio State? Well, Dave, two things.

[Dave Richard]

Number one, one of the best things I can recommend to people who play fantasy football is to pay attention all year round. It took me realizing that all the way back in 2001 before I was anywhere close to having this job as that being a secret to success in fantasy football. So if you're watching, you're panicking over week 17. Maybe you snuck into the playoffs. Maybe you're just now starting to play fantasy. Stick with us all off season longer or at least pay attention to the NFL off season long. You'll be much better prepared for draft season next August. And number two, of course we're going.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

To win against Ohio State.

[Dave Richard]

I totally don't get the line of the game is crazy. Totally don't get that. But I think Miami, I don't think they handle Ohio State, but I think they find a way to win just as they've done most of the time all year long.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

All right, let's go get a championship. Tune in Sunday morning for all the latest updates. My little Homer Simpson guy that says goodbye to everybody. Thanks to all of you for watching. Listening. For our producer, our producer, Emma, for Dave, for Jamie, for Jeff, I'm Adam.

[Adam Mazer]

We got Mailbag.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Don't forget Mailbag.

[Adam Mazer]

Come.

[Dave Richard]

You're like making this tearful goodbye. You have another show to do.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Mailbag's gonna be fun. We're gonna make Dan take a colorblindness test and see if he does better than me. I did horribly, but I think I'll do better than Dan. All right, well, we'll see you then. Have a good one, everybody.

[Dave Richard]

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