Start or Sit (NFC): Start Jalen Hurts? Dak Prescott? Michael Wilson? Alvin Kamara? Sean Tucker? (11/21 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today (CBS Sports) — "Start or Sit (NFC): Start Jalen Hurts? Dak Prescott? Michael Wilson? Alvin Kamara? Sean Tucker?" — November 21, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode, hosted by Adam Aizer with analysts Dave Richard and Jamey Eisenberg, delivers all the critical start/sit advice for week 12’s NFC matchups. The crew analyzes the fallout from Houston's win over Buffalo, addresses major injury updates, and debates tricky lineup choices—focusing especially on QB, WR, and RB uncertainties for fantasy managers. Lively banter, candid reflections on previous recommendations, and quick-fire debates make for an engaging and insightful rundown.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Houston vs. Buffalo Thursday Night Review (02:25–09:00)

• Texans’ Defensive Dominance: Houston’s D-line tore through a battered Bills OL for eight sacks, unsettling Josh Allen (03:39).
  • Quote: “Showed that Superman is mortal…just brutal, brutal results.” — Dave (03:51)
• Fantasy Notes: Josh Allen remains a must-start, but fantasy results disappointing; Khalil Shakir bounced back; Woody Marks almost scored but still underperformed; Jaden Higgins rising.
  • Quote: “Jaden Higgins could end up being like one of the best mid-to-late round picks next year…” — Dave (04:24)

2. Wide Receivers: Marks, Collins, & Others (05:11–07:47)

• Nico Collins: Injured and invisible in 2nd half (“super frustrating,” injured rib).
  • Adam laments: “Nico Collins was not targeted in the second half...he’s basically ruined my fantasy seasons.” (08:09)
• Dalton Schultz & TEs: Buffalo shutting down TEs; no major matchups left. Schultz isn’t a drop, but temper expectations.

3. Acknowledging Bad Calls & Fantasy Lessons (09:00–10:30)

Roundtable on their “worst fantasy calls” of the season for a dose of humility.

4. Injury Updates & News (12:28–15:10)

• Joe Burrow: May return early; if so, ranked as borderline QB1 but some hesitation.
• RB News: Josh Jacobs status (possible return Thanksgiving); Bucky Irving out, mental health comments, Sean Tucker to get more work for Tampa, Kareem Hunt’s status if Pacheco is out.
  • Quote: “You keep [Bucky Irving] on your bench and wait for some positive news.” — Dave (13:30)
• General WR/TE Notes: Brian Thomas Jr. limited, Chris Godwin trending up, tight ends banged up.

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One Question for Each Game: Start/Sit Debates (18:58–25:57)

Philadelphia vs. Dallas (NFC Headliner) (19:17)

• Which Offense Do You Trust More?: Cowboys slightly edge out Eagles per Dave, both have tough matchups (19:17).
  • Quote: “Probably the Cowboys, but…both offenses have very challenging matchups.” — Dave (19:17)
• Both teams’ WRs (Lamb, Pickens for DAL; A.J. Brown, Smith for PHI) remain tough to bench despite concerns; but “no way you can sit them” (32:35).
  • Adam: “Would you agree with this? ...there is just no way you can sit them.” (33:12)

Giants at Lions (21:06)

• Wandale Robinson, Jameson Williams, David Montgomery: Rankings for PPR—Williams > Robinson > Montgomery.
• “This should be a big game for [Williams]…he’s turning them into monster numbers…” — Dave (51:42)

Carolina at San Francisco (21:49)

• 49ers WRs: Only start in three-receiver leagues. Jennings over Pearsall; limited upside vs. tough CAR secondary.

Tampa Bay at Rams (22:45)

• Sean Tucker RB Startability: Splits opinion, but most favor Emmanuel Wilson over Tucker.
  • “Wilson significantly over Tucker. I don’t like Tucker this week.” — Jamie (23:37)

Atlanta at New Orleans (24:35)

• Start Kamara?: Yes. Dave: “Definitely. He’s a number two fantasy running back.” (24:35)
• Camara’s touches in question, but Atlanta matchup promising.

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The “Reluctant Start” RB Group (25:40–27:57)

Identifies a cluster of RBs who are RB2 options but not inspiring starters: Emmanuel Wilson, Kamara, Sean Tucker, David Montgomery, Ashton Genti, Quentin Judkins, Breece Hall, Ken Walker.

• Jamie: “There’s pros and cons for all these guys…There’s paths to success for all of these guys.” (26:55)
• Dave touts Breece Hall upside: "I’m kind of encouraged by Breece Hall and what he might be able to do." (26:16)

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Deep Dive: Eagles vs. Cowboys — Who to Trust? (29:17–40:57)

• Defensive Improvements: Eagles D has shut down multiple top teams recently, creating risk for Cowboys/Opposing WRs and RBs (29:17).
• Dak, Hurts, WRs, RBs:
  • Lamb & Pickens: Top starts despite defensive risks.
  • Eagles WRs: “I’m starting Michael Wilson over both Eagles receivers without hesitation.” — Jamie (31:49)
  • RBs (Barkley, Javonte): “Both top 12 for running backs for me…” — Dave (34:56)
• Tight End Landscape:
  • Ferguson and Goddard both “outside the top 5 but inside the top 10” (39:58)
  • Trust Juwan Johnson over Ferguson and Goddard.

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Game-by-Game Briefs & Recommendations

Minnesota at Green Bay (42:33–49:24)

• Best Start?: Jefferson (barely), but not “must start.” Jamie: “Just a number two fantasy receiver…frustrating to say.” (44:28)
• Aaron Jones/Emmanuel Wilson: Both low-end RB2s; Jones gets a slight edge for snap share.
• Packers WRs: Dave leans Dobbs/Watson, Jamie less enthusiastic.
  • “Dobbs is getting targets and not producing…” — Jamie (48:26)

Giants at Lions (49:24–55:31)

• Lions a full green light (Goff, Williams, Montgomery).
  • Williams’s explosive play rate “out of control…no one does that” — Adam (52:09)
• Wandale Robinson: Heavy target share, mid-tier flex. Lions have been limiting WR production lately but allow TDs.
• Theo Johnson: Top-13 TE for both.

Carolina at San Francisco (57:00–62:40)

• Start Brock Purdy: “Top 10 quarterback,” per Dave (60:02).
• WRs: Jennings over Pearsall, but both only in deeper leagues.
• Trey McMillan: “Sure, start him,” for Arizona.

Tampa Bay at Rams (63:13–69:15)

• Baker Mayfield: Mid-QB1 streamer due to Rams’ declining pass rush. “Baker’s someone that is still very startable…” — Dave (63:57)
• Sean Tucker: Lower confidence despite more work coming; “one great game was against one of the worst defenses.” — Jamie (67:49)
• Abuka & Otten: Must-starts. Avoid Godwin if active (limited role probable).
• Rams Offense: Stafford top 3–4 QB, Kyron must-start, both primary WRs (Adams, Puka) clear starts.

Atlanta at New Orleans (69:45–74:45)

• Olave: Clear start, as ATL gets torched by WRs.
• Kamara: RB2, but “I’m kind of nervous…” — Adam (71:04)
• Juwan Johnson: Stronger play than Ferguson/Goddard.
• Kyle Pitts: TE1 but with measured optimism.
• Darnell Mooney: Desperation PPR flex, stash for next week’s Jets matchup if desperate (72:18).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “There’s pros and cons for all these RB2s…There’s paths to success for all these guys.” — Jamie (26:55)
• “This week is just reluctant start week. Happy reluctant start week, everybody.” — Adam (42:33)
• “Dobbs is getting targets and not producing…this is a really good [Vikings] defense.” — Jamie (48:26)
• “I feel the same exact way [about Barkley/Javonte as Lamb/Pickens]. I’m not going to sit them for [RB2 group].” — Dave (34:12)
• “Baker’s someone that is still very startable…If Baker’s got time, he will absolutely connect downfield.” — Dave (63:57)
• Jamey, candidly on Michael Wilson: “I’m starting Michael Wilson over both Eagles receivers without hesitation.” (31:49)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:25–09:00] Thursday Night Game Takeaways (Texans/Bills)
• [12:28–15:10] Key Injury Updates (Burrow, Jacobs, Irving, Pacheco)
• [18:58–25:57] One Question for Each Game, Week 12 (NFC)
• [29:17–40:57] Eagles vs. Cowboys Start/Sit Deep Dive/Q&A
• [42:33–49:24] Minnesota at Green Bay: Who can you trust?
• [49:24–55:31] Giants at Lions: Lions festival? Wandale/Johnson as streamers.
• [57:00–62:40] Carolina at San Francisco: Purdy, WRs, McMillan
• [63:13–69:15] Bucs at Rams: Mayfield, Sean Tucker, Rams offensive starts
• [69:45–74:45] Atlanta at New Orleans: Mooney stash, Juwan Johnson, Kamara dilemma

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Overall Tone and Takeaways

• Tone: Authentic, informative, and lively. The crew freely jokes about their past misses and disagreements (“we all suck anyway…” — Adam, 10:05) and maintain a relaxed, relatable style, even when discussing complex injury scenarios or “gross” RB2 options.
• Takeaway: Week 12 is filled with reluctant but necessary RB2 and WR3 choices due to injuries and tough matchups. Trust the volume and upside for studs, but consider hot-hand and injury pivots where necessary. Sit fringe Eagles WRs for upside pivots, and stream with caution at RB and QB, especially with injury-influenced roles.

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For listeners who missed it:
This episode will help you attack week 12 with realistic expectations, clever pivots, and matchup-based adjustments—especially if you’ve been burned by “must-starts” or are sifting through the RB2/WR3 wasteland. The advice is pragmatic, not dogmatic, delivered by analysts unafraid to reassess and admit mistakes.

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Transcript

[Jamie]

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[Adam]

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[Dave]

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[Adam]

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[Jamie]

This is going to go the distance.

[Adam]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. What's going on, everybody? Welcome to the show. It's Fantasy Football Today and happy Friday November 21st, week 12 begins with Houston beating Buffalo 2319. This is Fantasy Football Today, presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary. Happy blue shirt day to Dave and Jamie. Good morning, fellas.

[Dave]

It's a blue jacket.

[Jamie]

It's true.

[Adam]

What's up, James?

[Dave]

Kind of a pullover.

[Jamie]

Good morning.

[Adam]

I don't think I've ever called you Jay before. Yes, please. We have a comment in the chat. Hit that like button. That'd be great. And if you're in the chat, we usually do this on the mailbag. Actually, if you're in the chat and watching on demand, you can ask some starter sit questions and I'll get to it. But that'll be for our mailbag show. All right, so we'll talk about Josh Allen getting sacked a whole bunch of times and the Texans with a big win. And we'll talk about these six games. Philadelphia, Dallas. Pumped. Pumped for this one. Minnesota, Green Bay. Not really that pumped. Giants at Lions. Very interesting wager on this game. Can't wait to tell you about Carolina at San Francisco, Tampa Bay at the Rams. Pumped. Oh, Bucky Irving. Update. By the way, Atlanta at New Orleans not pumped. Let's start with the Thursday night game. Houston 23, Buffalo 19. Eight sacks for the Texans. That's the most against Josh Allen in Allen's career. Also a lot of injuries for Buffalo. Cornerback Maxwell Harrison, linebacker Terrell Bernard, right tackle Spencer Brown. The line in general was beat up and they got their butts kicked. If you didn't watch it, I mean, it was just a master class by that defensive line for the Houston Texans. Dave, fantasy takeaways.

[Dave]

I thought that Houston's defense was awesome. I don't know if they would have been as awesome if. If Buffalo's offensive line were able to stay healthy for the entire game. And I think that's the difference between eight sacks and four sacks. And that's definitely the difference between Josh Allen losing. Like, it felt like a second and a half on every single drop back. Definitely made him jittery. Showed that Superman is mortal. I think if you started Josh Allen, you probably did the right thing with your fantasy team. Just as far as process goes. But man, just brutal, brutal results. Hopefully it doesn't cost you in your fantasy league. Khalil Shakir made up for last week. And what else? James Cook did his thing. Woody Marks disappointed. We were worried about that, but he was so close to scoring. I here's a takeaway. I think Jaden Higgins could end up being like one of the best mid to late round picks. Next year. And I wonder if he has some staying power for this year as at minimum a bench receiver maybe when the matchup is right, like a low end number three receiver for fantasy. Because he looked really good and he has looked pretty good leading up to this game. And that's against a good Buffalo defense.

[Adam]

Seven or more targets in three straight games now for Jaden Higgins and did come up with a touchdown, four catches, 38 yards and a touchdown. Christian Kirk had a random good game here. I think the. Look, the Bills are the Bills. You're going to start Allen and Cook every week. And Khalil Shakir is sometimes. He's great.

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[Adam]

No, he's usually not this great. He didn't.

[Dave]

He's not this great.

[Adam]

No, but he's usually Khalil Shakira. But Jamie, the question is, you know, Woody Marks obviously had a good game. He didn't have a great fantasy game, but he played really well again he kind of dominated the snaps unfortunately came off the field at the goal line and then Nico Collins with a, with a massive dud. Three catches for 55 yards on three targets. How much faith do you have in Marks and Collins going forward the schedule at the Colts, at the Chiefs, Arizona, Las Vegas at the Chargers.

[Jamie]

We gotta see if Neville Collins healthy first off, you know, got banged up in the game. So I think they said maybe rib injury he could be dealing with. So just kept something, keep an eye on there. I think it's just kind of a week to week thing with with Marks, you know, depending on who you have on your roster. I think I have him in like five leagues and in two of them I have them with the Steelers running backs and somebody better. So I benchmarks because I'd rather start the Steelers running back. So like that was a last minute thing yesterday when Jalen Warren practiced. So I, I think I was the high guy. When we went over our rankings yesterday on HQ, I think I had him 16. I think Dave was around 19. If not mistaken, Heath was right, 22. I think where they, those guys had him ranked is probably where he's going to be at the highest moving forward. Especially once we start to get past the bye weeks. I don't know, I, I just think he's going to end up being one of these guys like the, the talent is there and sometimes the opportunity is there from a matchup perspective but may not deliver on a week to week basis just because of the offensive line concerns or you know, just game flow in, in some cases like you would have said last week against Tennessee against 18 carries, you're starting him going in without question. So that's kind of the, I think, the approach for him in the case of just the Texans, like, we have to see what it looks like with C.J. stroud back. Also, like, this has been three straight games of Davis Mills where Jaden Higgins has stepped up, and Nico Collins has been good for two of those games. Not that there should be a difference because I think C.J. stroud's better, but this was also a game last night where we knew going in it was going to be tough for Dalton Schultz, and he's been such a big part of this also prior to, you know, playing. Playing the bill. So he gets the. The relief of not playing Buffalo. What's Buffalo's rest of season? Scales Just for opposing Titans.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Okay. Yeah.

[Adam]

Which tight ends are you going to sit against?

[Jamie]

Buffalo.

[Adam]

Luckily, there really aren't that many good ones. Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, New England, Cleveland, Philadelphia.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that's. The last two are probably the ones, you know, depending on what the Browns look like over the next couple weeks. And Dallas Goddard, it's always a fringe guy, so. Yeah, you're right. No, no, no. Must start, guys. So don't drop Schultz after this week. I mean, he's going to be fine. Yeah.

[Adam]

Boy, they're amazing against tight ends.

[Jamie]

It's two.

[Adam]

It's actually two weeks in a row. Kate Otten was. Was slightly open in the end.

[Jamie]

Touchdown. And Schultz had a touchdown.

[Adam]

Yeah. Yeah, both of them. But even if they had caught those touchdowns, it wouldn't have been that good of a game. That's how good they've been against Titus.

[Dave]

Would have been better than 1.8 fantasy points.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And also, if we had told you going into the game, hey, Dalton Schultz is going to get more targets than Nic. You would have been racing to start.

[Adam]

Dalton Schultz, Nico Collins.

[Dave]

Unfortunately, they combined for fewer targets than Jaden Higgins had by himself.

[Adam]

Nico Collins was not targeted in the second half. He had three catches for 55 yards in the first half. He ran only nine routes in the second half where they were very run heavy. He got banged up, as Jamie mentioned, at the very end of the first half. He came back in, I think for the last snap of the half. But. But it. It's super frustrating. I had a bad feeling about it. I just felt like Jacksonville and Tammy, I did a big breakdown of this on beyond the Box Score. I just felt like the biggest reasons for his success were the fact that he played Jacksonville in Tennessee the previous two weeks and Davis Mills threw over 40 times. So whatever. I'm never going to sit him. But he's basically ruined my fantasy seasons. Is my worst call. Dave and I were talking about that before the show. Nico Collins is my worst call. Not Pacheco.

[Dave]

My worst. I would say that my worst call was in this game, but he was watching from the sideline because he was a healthy scratch.

[Adam]

And Jamie, we couldn't. Remember your worst call. If you'd like to go down memory lane.

[Jamie]

My worst call. There's so many. No. Trying to think. I'll remember it.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Dave]

I had a suggestion for one.

[Jamie]

Bruce Hall's been good. I was. I was very down on him.

[Dave]

What about Crosky?

[Jamie]

Merritt liking him.

[Dave]

You were so bullish on him.

[Jamie]

I was.

[Dave]

You were.

[Adam]

I don't remember that. Really?

[Dave]

I remember him being very bullish on cry. You were taking him way higher than adp. I remember you talking about that.

[Jamie]

Maybe.

[Adam]

I don't know.

[Jamie]

I think you're thinking.

[Adam]

I think you're thinking of Jacob. Jamie. Jacob. They have the same first.

[Jamie]

Oh, that's a good one. The Wicks 14. I was. I was a Braylon Allen guy.

[Adam]

Yeah. All right.

[Dave]

Everybody got hurt.

[Adam]

I don't know if you should get no Pacheco. I knew people were going to say Pacheco was a worse call than Nico, but no, he was a six.

[Dave]

I told you. I told you that people would.

[Adam]

Nico was my wide receiver too. He's been horrible. I'll never gonna do that again with a guy that I think might be on a bad offense.

[Jamie]

Oh, there's a going. Yeah, RJ Harvey too. I was very high on rj.

[Adam]

Ah, yeah, That's a good one. All right. All right. We all suck Anyway, since we're so bad at this, join us Sunday morning 11am to 1pm Eastern. YouTube.com fantasy football today and we'll answer your starts and questions hopefully correctly. YouTube.com fantasy football today. Okay, news and notes. I've got the. The trash talking gif of the day. Okay, because if you're in a league with a lot of trash talk and you've got a good team and you've got Joe Burrow on your bench, it's time to get Billy Madison holding the dodgeball going. Now you're all in big, big trouble because here comes Joe Burrow.

[Jamie]

Get the jif correctly. What's that? You can actually get it with just the thing.

[Adam]

What do you mean? Oh, no, I couldn't.

[Jamie]

I couldn't.

[Dave]

I got it. Yeah.

[Adam]

Pretty bad screenshot here on. On YouTube, but he might play. He might start. He took first team reps yesterday. He wanted to come back Thanksgiving. It might just come back four days earlier.

[Jamie]

So I think if. If he plays this week, that might be your worst call.

[Adam]

What?

[Jamie]

He's not gonna play.

[Adam]

Who, me?

[Jamie]

I know you were. You were. You were following the. The comments that he made, but you're pretty adamant, like, I don't think he's gonna come back.

[Adam]

Oh, excuse me. I did not say that. I said that he said that.

[Jamie]

The record saying you. I'm. I'm not saying you were putting that out there yourself. You were very pessimistic. Let's just say I was.

[Adam]

I was actually just quoting him, but okay. Anyway, Joe Burrow might. Might play this week, so that would be pretty cool. Where would you rank him if. If he plays Borderline top 12?

[Dave]

I'd be a little hesitant to just rush him right back in the lineups in his first game. Back without Jamar Chase against the Patriots.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I think that's fair.

[Adam]

So have Dak Prescott against the Eagles or Joe Burrow, please.

[Jamie]

He'd be behind Brissette and Purdy for me. So still. Still looking at those two guys as better plays for this week than Bro.

[Dave]

All right, where do you have percent Purdy in your rankings?

[Jamie]

Eight, nine. Okay.

[Adam]

Jackson dart is still in the concussion protocol, but making progress. So fingers crossed. Darter Burrow, if you play. If they play.

[Jamie]

Right now, I have Flacco and dart back to back with dart slightly head. So that might just flip flop. But that range. 12, 13.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Adam]

Sure. Sanders starting Lamar Jackson practiced in full. That was cool. Daniel Jones limited with a calf injury. Seems like that's just out of caution. Aaron. Aaron Rodgers limited yesterday.

[Jamie]

Yes. Okay.

[Adam]

And running back news. So the big one here, Josh Jacobs and Jalen Warren are still trying to get back this week. Warren was limited. Jacobs said he's either playing this week or he's playing Thanksgiving. So it's not a long term issue. If you have Emmanuel Wilson, at most you're going to get one week as a starter, according to Jacobs.

[Jamie]

Now, you see what he said about MetLife.

[Adam]

Yeah, I did see that. He said it's the worst turf in. In the NFL. Sean Tucker could get a bigger workload and reportedly Bucky Irving is out and may not be back anytime soon. Sure. You guys saw what Tiki Barber said.

[Jamie]

What.

[Adam]

What did we make of this, Dave, with if you have Bucky Irving or did you not see what he said?

[Dave]

I wasn't sure if it was Tiki or somebody else.

[Adam]

So that's why it was Tiki on his pod. Maybe Ronda. Maybe it was Rhonda. I'm sorry.

[Dave]

Right?

[Adam]

I think it was Ron.

[Dave]

You know, those twins. I think you just keep doing what you've been doing with Bucky Irving. You keep him on your bench and wait for some positive news. I feel like it's been positive the last couple of weeks because he's been practicing, he's been out there, but you just have to wait and see. And I would imagine that in his first game back, he's not going to be given, you know, his typical workload that we saw from earlier in the year. So you're gonna have to wait an extra week after that unless you are starved for running back help.

[Jamie]

Do you have the comments? So to put in context, okay, so.

[Adam]

WFLA.com has the quotes from Rendez Barber. And he said, Bucky's not. Bucky is not going to be back on Sunday Night Football. They'll start both of White and Tucker. And then he went on to say Bucky is getting better, but I don't know we're going to see Bucky anytime soon. This is Ronde Barber saying this. I'm not at liberty to say why Bucky's got to get right with Bucky. Is it the shoulder? Yes. Is it the ankle? Probably better from that now. But there's a lot of things that have to go right for Bucky in the short term. And I don't know if we're going to see him.

[Jamie]

I believe there was also the Pro Football Talk report about him dealing with some mental health issues as well. And then there was, I think, Rick Stroud, who covers the team for Tampa Bay Times. I'm not mistaken, the publication. He said that Bucky here. I have her here. Rick Stroud this. He tweeted this. He, quote, tweeted the Pro Football Talk report. And this was yesterday. Bucky Irving needed some mental health support from what I can gather following his injury. And I'm told he's, quote, trending toward playing in the very near future. It won't be Sunday. However, not sure I agree with Florio's claim he doesn't expect Irving Jr. Anytime soon.

[Adam]

Okay. All right, so we'll see. But it's going to be Sean Tucker and Rashad White this week, and we'll talk about that shortly. Travis Etienne and Basil Tutin are both limited right now. Isaiah Pacheco went from full on Wednesday to limited on Thursday. So if Pacheco were out, Kareem Hunt would be what would he be? Top 24 guy.

[Jamie]

Borderline.

[Dave]

He'd cross that border for me, but not too much more than that.

[Jamie]

He was 24th before Pacheco returned and I think I dropped him like to.

[Adam]

Around 30th and Ramondre Stevenson still limited wide receiver stuff. Brian Thomas Jr. Still limited. Darius Slayton got in a limited session. We're expecting Drake London next week. He's not going to play this week. Chimeri DK practice in full on Ellic IO Matt Ellic IO matter missed practice. Xavier Leguette practice kind of not mentioned at all was that Leguette had a huge game last week. Luther Burden has apparently earned more playing time. That's good. And Chris, God, that's been happening. Yeah. Chris Godwin trending in the right direction. He might play this week, but we're going to talk about that game. Tight end David Ajoku day to day. Isaiah likely was out Wednesday but limited Thursday, so that's a good sign. Brenton Strange was limited and we'll leave it there. Philadelphia their center, we know they're gonna be at their right tackle, but their center actually is in the concussion protocol. But got in a limited session so he's leaning training in the right direction. Bears are beat up on defense. Giants are beat up on defense. Minnesota might be getting healthier with Jonathan Grinard, one of their best players. He was limited to practice. Packers a little banged up with Quay Walker out missing practice and cornerback Nate Hobbs. They're facing Minnesota and I'll leave it there. All right, let's take a break and get into one question for each game when we come back.

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[Adam]

Okay, we're back here with one question for each game and we'll start with Dave because Jamie has left the room for a moment. Philadelphia, Dallas, which. Oh, there's Jamie. Which offense are you more confident in, Eagles or Cowboys?

[Dave]

Probably the Cowboys, but I, I think both offenses have very challenging matchups to deal with.

[Adam]

Isn't that a great question? I don't usually toot my own horn for one question for each game, but what a great question that is.

[Jamie]

I mean, you got to make up for yesterday with all your crappy stats that Heath was just, you know, body blow left and right. You came up with one and he would just haymaker and you knock you out.

[Adam]

Yeah, I think this should be a running thing of who could have better stat of the game. I like it. Minnesota at Green Bay. Jamie, is Emmanuel Wilson a must start if Josh Jacobs is out?

[Jamie]

I don't want to use the term must start, but he's, he's a starter.

[Dave]

Kareem, do you feel the same way about him that you might have felt about Woody Marks going into last night?

[Jamie]

I think I have them ranked back to back. Yeah. So it's, you know, a guy that has a great opportunity. In the case of Marx, it was a great matchup. So. Right. Wilson feels like one of these guys that could be a fool Jew, you know, Great, great scenario. The offense has been bad, you know, so it's not like there's a ton of, oh, they're walking into this great situation because Jordan loves playing great and he's gonna have all these touchdown opportunities. Like Josh Jacobs is a great player and he, he makes a lot of things easier for that team. I don't know if Emmanuel Wilson's that same guy, so I think if he's going with the idea of can he get you eight or nine without a touchdown, I think that's fair. If he scores, then he probably has a very good day.

[Adam]

Okay. I think putting him in the Woody Marks, you know, framework is, is pretty, is helpful. Giants are at Detroit so obviously we know Gibbs and, and St. Brown for sure. But rank Wanda Robinson, Jameson Williams, David Montgomery, let's say in a, let's say in a full PPR league. Wandale, JMO Montgomery. How would you rank them?

[Dave]

Dave jmo, big gap. Wandale Little gap Montgomery. Jamie, Same.

[Adam]

Okay, you want a good stat here. What are we expecting from.

[Jamie]

He's on the show.

[Adam]

What are we expecting for Montgomery? About 10, 11 carries. The Giants have allowed double digit fantasy points in PPR to five running backs who have had 11 or fewer carries and one or fewer catches. That is the exact profile of David Montgomery. So it's obviously an opportunity for Montgomery. He's been very disappointing lately. Carolina's in San Francisco. Jamie, any interest in a San Francisco.

[Jamie]

Wide receiver in three receiver leagues? Certainly not in two receiver leagues. There's not a lot of, I think any, any evidence that one guy is going to be great or both guys are going to be successful. It's, it's a, it's a very, it's not a very, it's a good secondary. You know, they've certainly done a great job in limiting fantasy points to the position. And so after what you saw last week with Brock Purdy scoring three touchdowns and not having his receivers really do much like. You got to see it from Ricky Pierce all first to consider him a mustard guy. And Jennings, with Pearsall coming back, I think caps is upside a little bit. So three receiver leagues. I'm certainly interested in both. Jennings over Pierce also, but in two receiver leagues, no chance yet.

[Adam]

All right, Carolina, San Francisco then. Brings us to who is tonight? Tampa Bay, Los Angeles. There we go. Tampa Bay and the Rams. Dave, the Rams running backs. Now that we are pretty sure Bucky Irving is not going to play, how are we approaching the Rams running backs?

[Dave]

Kyron Williams is a must start.

[Adam]

Bucks running backs.

[Dave]

Oh, the Bucks running backs. I, I moved up Sean Tucker a little bit. I know it's a tough matchup. I know that this defense has been really good and they don't allow a lot of touchdowns. But hopefully the Bucks stick with what they've been saying lately in the media and that Sean Tucker is their guy. I don't know how he. They can't go. I don't know how they could go back to Rashad White on running downs at this point. So hopefully Tucker gets off to a pretty good start, gets a lot of carries and, you know, kind of in that same range that we were talking about for Woody Marks and Emmanuel Wilson. But he's got a little more upside if. And that's a big if. He gets the same type of opportunity that he got last week.

[Adam]

Yeah. So I assume you don't have Josh Jacobs ranked at this point. So Emmanuel Wilson or Sean Tucker.

[Jamie]

Who. Who's right?

[Dave]

Now I've got Wilson over Tucker.

[Adam]

Jamie.

[Jamie]

Yeah, Wilson significantly over Tucker. I don't like Tucker this week.

[Dave]

No.

[Jamie]

No. It's just tough matchup. Like, he was great against terrible defense. Yeah.

[Adam]

He also averages about over five yards per carry, I think, against the Patriots, so. And they have the best run defense in football, arguably is Sean Tucker we're talking about. And if it helps, if anybody wants to be optimistic about Sean Tucker, five of 10 running backs have averaged four and a half yards per carry or better lead running backs against the Rams. Some of them have been awful, though, like Barkley, 2.6, McCaffrey 2.5 yards, Camara 2.3 yards per cap for carry. But some of them have been pretty good. But they keep you out of the end zone typically. All right, Last game is Atlanta at New Orleans. I'm going to give us the Dave because Jamie already talked about Camara yesterday as a number two running back. Close to a flex, but the most optimism he's had about Camara in a while. And Atlanta gives up the fourth most points to running back. So, Dave, are you starting Alvin Camara?

[Dave]

Definitely. He's a number two fantasy running back. Almost in that same vein as we're talking about, you know, we. We are building this group of number two running backs, including a guy that played on Thursday night, and Camara is squarely in that group. I wish that we could be convinced that he's going to have more targets and more catches, but I love that he had 22 carries against Carolina in their last game. Hopefully can be more efficient. Atlanta's run defense isn't that good, and I think Atlanta's offense isn't going to be very good.

[Jamie]

They'll.

[Dave]

They'll run the ball, of course, but I think once they get to Third and long. They'll be punting very, very soon after, and that could lead to longer possessions, more possessions for New Orleans, and that should give a lot of opportunity to Camara.

[Adam]

Okay, so, by the way, the Falcons could be getting linebacker Dion Divine Diablo back. I don't know how much that's going to help. They're pretty bad against the run with him on the field anyway. But if we look at this number two running back group that we've talked, talked about sort of organically the last couple shows, we got Emmanuel Wilson, Alvin Camara, Sean Tucker. So I throw David Montgomery in there.

[Jamie]

Absolutely.

[Dave]

Good.

[Adam]

David Montgomery.

[Jamie]

I think I said this to you either yesterday or Wednesday. Like, I think Quinch on Judkins and Breece hall are in this group.

[Adam]

Okay, perfect.

[Jamie]

And Genti.

[Adam]

Okay. Genty Judkins, Breece Hall. So I've got seven guys here. Emmanuel Wilson, Alvin Kamara, Sean Tucker, David Montgomery, Ashton Genti, Quinton Judkins, and Breece Hall. Did I say any names that either of you are excited to start? Oh, let me throw Ken Walker in there as well.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Adam]

Any names of those eight that you're excited to start? Emmanuel, Wilson, Camara, Tucker, Walker Montgomery, Genti, Judkins, Breece Hall.

[Dave]

I don't want to confuse having a player that's top 15 as somebody that I'm like Jazz to start, but I do think to Rod Taylor, taking over a quarterback opens the door for more targets and catches for Breeze hall, and I think he's got a good offensive line that can open up space for him. So I'm kind of encouraged by Breeze hall and what he might be able to do. And the Ravens run defense, while it's improving, they're still, like, absolutely weakest on the defensive line. And so I think the jets can lean on that, and I just think it helps that they. They've got a quarterback that will run, but I don't think he'll run to the same level that Justin Fields did, and that'll help Breeze.

[Jamie]

There's. There's pros and cons for all these guys. I mean, you know, in the case of hall and Judkins and Genti, you. You assume their workload is going to be consistent. So you should feel confident in that. In the case of Walker, you should feel confident in what Mike McDonald said. Plus, the team that they're facing, for the most part, has struggled against the run. Whether you want to nitpick, who's been in, who's been out for the Titans. In the case of Camara, as Dave Said coming off a strong game, Falcons matchup is fantastic. Montgomery, you gave out great stat, you know, first time ever about what the Giants defense looks like, you know, so great situation there for him, you know, so all these guys have certainly their reasons for, for optimism and, and to be positive about, but there's a reason why they've been either struggling or coming off bad games or stretch of games. And in the case of some of these guys, like, you know, Genti, for example, taking on a very tough matchup. So I don't know how, how you could say, you know, excited to start them, but there's, again, there's, there's paths to success for, for all of these guys. You know, Aaron Jones probably belongs in this group too. You know, another guy.

[Adam]

Sure. All right, well, I'm looking forward to talking about that game. Okay. Bet mgm, baby. Second chance. They're giving it one. They're giving you one. So picture this. You bet on your favorite player to score the first touchdown in the game, but his teammate scores instead. Well, if this happens, bet MGM wants to give you another chance at the end zone. With BetMGM's second chance promotion, you're going to get your stake back if your first touchdown scorer scores second instead. So you bet on any pro football player to score the first touchdown of the game. And if you're right, you win. And if your player scores second, you get your stake back in cash. With BetMGM Second Chance offer, you have a chance to keep the fun going after the first player crosses the goal line. Try a first touchdown scorer wager with confidence today. Bet mgm make it legendary. All right, here we go. Eagles and Cowboys. What if it's the Eagles defense done against great offenses? Well, week one, Cowboys score 20 points, Chiefs 17 points, Rams 26, Bucks 25. Denver, if you consider them 21. The Giants scored 27 and 20. They're an okay offense. Packers scored 10, the Lions scored nine. Since Jalen Phillips came aboard. Holy cow. They've held the cow the the packers and the Lions to 19 points combined. So is this going to be a good or bad game for fantasy Dave?

[Dave]

I'm nervous that it'll be bad. And I don't have it ranked that way. And I struggle with that personally.

[Adam]

Yeah, but I don't.

[Dave]

I don't see how fantasy managers are going to find it in their mind somehow to bench CD Lamb or George Pickens. And I don't think you should, especially in PPR leagues. They're going to get their opportunities, but I, I could see touchdowns coming At a premium because both defenses, but especially Phillies, have improved over the past couple of weeks. And just think about this. How many points did Dallas have in week one?

[Adam]

20.

[Dave]

Okay. And that was without Jalen Carter, because that was Spitgate number one, and he didn't play in the game. So now not only is Jalen Carter playing unless he does something stupid, but you mentioned Jalen Phillips. You didn't mention the secondary for Philly, which played very well last.

[Adam]

For Dallas. Oh, no, for Philly.

[Dave]

For Philly. We're talking about Dallas's office, right?

[Adam]

Yeah, I just thought you were going to talk about the Dallas secondary.

[Dave]

Which Barber twin was it that talked about Bucky Irving? I'm still confused.

[Adam]

No, you're right. No, you're right.

[Dave]

I just. I think Philadelphia's defense is really, really good. The. The one thing that I. I do kind of feel a little encouraged by is that Dallas's offensive line has been playing well of late. They've been healthier, and maybe that gives them a little bit of an edge overall.

[Adam]

So just for those of you who don't remember week one, Friday night, Dallas and Philadelphia in Brazil. One of the reasons why Dak had such a bad game.

[Dave]

That game was not in Brazil.

[Adam]

Where was it?

[Dave]

It was in Philadelphia.

[Jamie]

The Chargers.

[Adam]

My bad. One of the reasons. That was a Thursday night game, right? That was Thursday. Correct.

[Dave]

Okay, now you're.

[Jamie]

I think both Ronde and Tiki were there.

[Adam]

This is pathetic. This is absolutely pathetic. But this I am right about. CD Lamb had four drops in that game, really hurt Dak Prescott. Actually, we came out of that game going. Dak played really well. CD he did.

[Dave]

He did. He did.

[Jamie]

He did.

[Adam]

And Pickens was not Pickens at that point. So things are different for both teams.

[Jamie]

This. I. I don't know if you run away from Dallas in this game just because their offense is as good as any offense in the league.

[Adam]

Okay, so here's the question. Who are you confident in confidently starting? They're going to have a good game. You feel it.

[Jamie]

So I, I think just in the context of what this week looks like and just need a reminder, take a look at all of our rankings. Like, there's no way you're going to have much better options than CD Lamb and George Pickens. So in the case of the Eagles receivers. Are you talking about Cowboys?

[Adam]

Anyone? Anyone in this.

[Jamie]

In the case of the Eagles receivers, it's hard to have confidence in those two guys because they haven't been playing very consistently. So I. I mean, I'm starting Michael Wilson over both Eagles receivers without hesitation. Jameson Williams. Over both those guys. Trying to think anybody else. McMillan. Over both those guys. You know, just. Okay. You know, guys who are playing well and have better matchups for the most part. So it's, it's, it's easy to get away from. Not just easy, it's easier to get away from them. Like the Cowboys receivers are, are just on a different level right now and their quarterback is on a different level right now. And if the game plays as you probably expect it to, like the Cowboys are going to throw the ball 40 times.

[Adam]

I don't know. You know, the Cowboys, I don't think.

[Jamie]

The Eagles are scoring very much, but that's just the way the Cowboys play.

[Adam]

But they didn't play that way last week. Did they mean what they played the Raiders. Okay, yeah, but, but so here, like.

[Jamie]

This isn't, this isn't a game where Javante goes crazy.

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[Adam]

But the Cowboys, their three lowest pass rate games. What's their record?

[Dave]

Four.

[Adam]

They're four, five and one, I think.

[Jamie]

Thanks.

[Dave]

That sounds right.

[Adam]

Their three lowest pass rate games are wins, but all of them were by 15 or more points. So, so there is that. They're not going to win this game like that. But look, I think, I think. Would you agree with this? We could sit here and make a case that Lamb and Pickens are dangerous, but there is just no way you can sit them.

[Dave]

You could have done that with Josh Allen.

[Adam]

Exactly.

[Dave]

Jamie kind of did actually, because Jamie and I think Heath too had him sixth sons.

[Jamie]

I mean, they're, they're, they're.

[Dave]

Sure.

[Jamie]

It's just one of these weeks, unfortunately where you're gonna have to get by with some superstars struggling and get lucky that a few players pop. Right.

[Dave]

The fact, the fact that you haven't played the game of the week music for this game also says a lot because you're not expecting it to be a high scoring game where there's a fantasy bonanza.

[Jamie]

Like I just, I just did the two DFS lineups that I put in the column on Sportsline and it's, it's tough, it's tough to find. Like, these are easy calls without a lot of duplication.

[Adam]

The total here is 47 and a half. That's pretty high and that's a little surprising to me. Okay, so start Lamb, start Pickens.

[Dave]

What about interesting.

[Adam]

What about the running backs? What about Javante and Barkley who both have had their struggles?

[Dave]

I mean, I feel the same exact way as I do the Cowboys receivers. They've the matchup does look tough, but I, I'm not going to sit them for any of the running backs that we talked about in that RB2 range. Not one. They're both starting over. Bree Hall, Kenneth Walker, Ashton, Jenny, whoever. We named Sean Tucker. Like I'm not going to get crazy. I. I know what their upside is. They both have. They both have two touchdown upside. But if. If it's going to be a low scoring game, maybe that means a lot of carries, maybe it means some more catches for Javante and you do something with them for a change. But I can't. I can't count on that. They're both top 12 for running backs for me and PPR.

[Adam]

Okay, let's do the Michael Wilson test. PPR.

[Dave]

Yeah. That's a great test.

[Adam]

I love this Michael Wilson. Okay, here's the Michael Wilson test. Dave, where's Michael Wilson born?

[Dave]

I want to say, I'll guess California.

[Jamie]

I have no idea.

[Adam]

Michael Wilson or Saquon Barkley or Javante Williams?

[Jamie]

Ppr.

[Dave]

I have Wilson higher than both.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Wow, man. He better not turn into Parker Washington.

[Jamie]

That.

[Dave]

If, if they do, then that means Donovan Knight turned into Saquon Barkley.

[Adam]

All right. Yeah. Again, these are guys that, that you're. You're likely going to start.

[Jamie]

He turns into Parker Washington. Did Tom Brady do that since he cloned his dog? Like, how did that, how did that work? Just.

[Adam]

You know what I'm saying?

[Dave]

But wow.

[Adam]

Tom Brady.

[Dave]

Michael. Michael Wilson was born in New Zealand. Oh.

[Adam]

Dave passed. I failed.

[Dave]

But he grew up in Simi Valley, California. So maybe partial credit.

[Adam]

All right. Would you start? Would you start Wondale Robinson, who's, you know, whatever, or A.J. brown. Devonte Smith.

[Jamie]

Wanda.

[Dave]

No, I'm definitely starting Devonte Smith over Wando Robinson. I think it's closer between A.J. brown and. And Wanda.

[Adam]

Sorry. I get ripset anytime people say Wanda. I'm so angry because he's. You want to know why? I'll tell you.

[Dave]

Go ahead.

[Adam]

I'll tell you why. Because since the Malik Neighbors injury, Wanda Robinson is fifth in targets at wide receiver and he is 32nd per game. That's why.

[Jamie]

That same stretch for A.J. brown.

[Adam]

No, I don't want to. Is this a Zoe, Is this a Smith or a Brown game? Dave?

[Dave]

I think it's a Smith game for multiple. For multiple reasons. But number one, usually, at least it's been this way. This year, zone coverage has favored devonte Smith. They throw to him more. He's got a higher target per route run rate. He's more explosive. Just overall, overall than A.J.

[Jamie]

Brown.

[Dave]

And that's what the Cowboys play the most in is zone coverage. That's been a matt uber flu thing forever and I think Philly's going to need to try and hit some deep shots and I think Smith's key to that.

[Adam]

Okay. We don't know really how good the Cowboys defense is. It was the worst defense in football. Basically they traded for two guys. They played the Raiders, they did a great job. Let's see what they do against the Eagles. And you know, maybe, maybe because they give up the most fantasy points to wide receivers and throw it all though.

[Dave]

You have to throw it all out.

[Adam]

I don't think you have to throw it all out. You do.

[Dave]

This is a. They've got five new starters, but I don't know actually, I don't know if.

[Adam]

These guys are actually good.

[Jamie]

The only thing I would say in terms of throw it all out is they're not facing a great passing office. And that's the problem. It's, it's like I think if, if they were, if they were still as bad as they could be. And, and to be fair, Trey Tucker had a solid game for a guy that hadn't done anything for well over a month. And Brock Bauer still had a good game. We know he's not a traditional tight end. So the two best pass catchers for the Raiders still produced enough that you would say, okay, I'm, I'm buying into what this defense still allows to opposing passing games. But to Dave's point, like their pass rush is going to be better because the interior of the line is going to get a lot of pressure up. You know, in on Eagles, they're down Lane Johnson, which has always been the kryptonite for Jalen Hurts. And then you're talking about a team that is very content on a low scoring, grind out type of game that they're just about wins at this point. And so I think like A.J. brown talked about, you know, facing his own defense yesterday. I don't know if you saw his comments and he just said, you know something, continuing to work on Jalen Hurts does not challenge consistently in the middle of the field. And so yes, this probably is a better game for Devonte Smith. And the last time these two teams met, Dallas Goddard had seven catches. So he's in play as well as a starting tight end. But I'm not, I, I don't think you can go into this based on what we've seen from the Eagles that anyone is. This is going to be the week that they win me my league.

[Adam]

Okay, so let's talk about the quarterback real quick. On the wide receivers, would you start Donovan Knight over A.J. brown and no. Devonte Smith, would you start Emmanuel Wilson over them?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Dave]

Might start Wilson over Brown, obviously, if.

[Adam]

Jacobs is out now, Hertz, Dak, Ferguson, Goddard. Let's do the quarterbacks first. Which quarterback do you like better?

[Jamie]

Hurts slightly.

[Adam]

Dak for Dave, hurts for Jamie. Starting golf over them. Burrow if he starts. I think I asked you about that earlier, but no, I don't know if.

[Dave]

I'm going that far.

[Adam]

Okay, how about Baker Mayfield?

[Dave]

I started the week loving Baker. I've moved him down since. As of now, I've got Dak and Hertz out of Baker. I might split the difference.

[Jamie]

Baker's behind them.

[Adam]

Stafford. Well, okay.

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[Dave]

Yes.

[Adam]

Tight ends.

[Jamie]

Yes. They play Ferguson over Goddard. Ferguson and Goddard outside the top. Top five, but inside the top 10.

[Adam]

These are tough calls, too. I mean, the Eagles are so good against tight ends. So Kyle Pitts or Ferguson? Goddard.

[Dave]

Ferguson and Goddard.

[Adam]

Theo Johnson behind them?

[Dave]

Just behind him.

[Adam]

Johnson's behind those guys. Harold Fannin Jr. Or tight end in this game.

[Jamie]

The only way Phantom will move ahead of those guys is if Najo goes out.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Dave]

I'm still very nervous about any bronze pass catcher. So give me Ferguson and Goddard.

[Adam]

I don't want us. It's one of those games where Ferguson. What am I going to do? Go to the waiver? I mean start. I'd start Juwan Johnson over Ferguson. Would you guys? Yeah, Yeah.

[Dave]

I think that's probably the right move.

[Adam]

Okay. But the Eagles, their second best against tight ends. Only Buffalo is better. All right. And are you starting a DST in this game?

[Dave]

I like Philly. I think they'll get some sacks and. And I'm not ready to start the Cowboys, which is backwards. Right. Because I like Dak better than Jalen. Hurts.

[Adam]

One. Just one quick stat on Dallas Goddard. He had made his hay with all these catches and touchdowns inside the five yard line. He has four of them this year. He had a combined four in his previous four seasons. Jalen Hurst has not thrown a pass inside the five yard line in four straight games. So it makes it tough on Goddard. All right, that's it for that big game that was very confusing and required a lot of time. We'll take one last break and we got five games left when we come back, beginning with Minnesota at Green Bay. We'll be right back. Hey, Ryan Reynolds here wishing you a very happy half off holiday because right now, Mint Mobile is offering you the gift of 50% off unlimited. To be clear, that's half price, not half the service. Mint is still premium unlimited wireless for a great price. So that means a half day. Yeah, give it a [e-mail] Switch upfront.

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[Adam]

I think this week is just reluctant start week. Happy reluctant start week everybody. Okay, Minnesota Green Bay the combination of the game. The packers allow the fewest passing yards per attempt in The NFL and JJ McCarthy is third worst in yards per attempt. So this should go great. And stat of the game, only one wide receiver has scored more than 10.6 PPR fantasy points against the Vikings with five or fewer targets. Why do I bring that up? Because Christian Watson's had five or fewer targets in all four of his games. Jamie, anyone? You're excited about starting in Minnesota and Green Bay.

[Jamie]

It's crazy to say no, but the answer is no. I mean, you know, you look at the Vikings and Justin Jefferson has not played well recently. He did have a touchdown in 16 some odd PPR points three games ago with JJ McCarthy, but the last two games have been frustrating. He's still getting targets and he obviously has a great history against the packers because he's Justin Jefferson. But I, I think just in the case of some of the receivers that we talked about, Tedro McMillan, Jameson Williams, Michael Wilson, I would start all three of those over. Jefferson too. Like they're just in better spots right now. So just a number two fantasy receiver, which is, you know, frustrating to say. And he's really the only Vikings player that I think is close to being a mustard. I do think Aaron Jones has an opportunity to play well. He was great against Green Bay in Green Bay last year and he's gotten solid production in the three games since he's come back from injury for the Packers. Jacobs would be a must start guy if he plays just because he's Josh Jacobs. But outside of that, you can't trust the receivers. They're at best number three options in Dobbs and Watson. Jordan Love is tough to trust in this matchup and Emmanuel Wilson as a good replacement option. I think he's number two running back, but nothing that's a must start player here. So it's really just a lot of, you know, reluctant starts and guys you might want to run away from.

[Adam]

Who's the best start in this game? Sounds like you're saying Jefferson.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it would still be Jefferson. Just basically there's still the potential there and he's getting targets. It's not like the targets have not been there for him. So he's still getting opportunities. It's just he's not connecting with McCarthy mostly because of McCarthy. So you know they're going to roll coverage to him. Jordan Addison has been terrible with the three games with McCarthy. TJ Hawkinson's been bad in the five games with McCarthy. Like it's just been both those guys struggling and it's clearly because McCarthy. So based on how this offense is is operating right now, there's just not a lot of trust I think that you can have in these guys. Like they're terrible DFS plays. I just hope that this is a week, you know, where you get Jefferson in the end zone and then he saves your production.

[Adam]

Dave, how do you feel about the running backs, Jones and Wilson?

[Dave]

I like them both as number twos. I think they'll both see the majority of work for their teams. This is assuming that Josh Jacobs sits out. We'll wait and see on that one. But Green Bay likes to run. There isn't any doubt about that. I don't think they're going to change that M.O. just because Josh Jacobs is out. I think they've got confidence in Wilson. He's looked okay and I know he can catch the ball a little bit and I know he's physical. So there's certainly a chance for him to get two or three catches, score a touchdown from the goal line that these, these are things that the Vikings have allowed. So they've been good at not giving up huge efficiency to running backs outside of, you know, a bad game here or there. And there's always a chance that this could be another bad game for Minnesota. Just as far as that goes with Aaron Jones, he's been playing around 70 of the snaps, certainly as a target in the passing game. Was just off on a touchdown on a wheel route last week from JJ McCarthy and that's kind of the story with JJ McCarthy is he's either just like so close to getting some big completions or just so way off. And it probably depends on how far he's throwing down the field. I, I don't mind using Aaron Jones this week because I do think there's a little bit of a chance of him between rushing and receiving having a top 15 to 20ish type day.

[Jamie]

And, and to be fair, they could not stop the Giants run game last week at all. Green Bay. It was disastrous how Tyrone Tracy and Devin Singletary produced against them.

[Adam]

Yeah, unfortunately. And the week before that they did great against Barkley, but the week before that they got destroyed by Rico Dowdle. So it's, it's been kind of up and down for the Green Bay run defense overall though, they allow 3.8 yards per carry to running backs. That's really, really good.

[Jamie]

I mean you, you would assume this is what Kevin o' Connell's game plan is. Try to run the ball against them to take pressure off McCarthy. But he also assumed that the packers are going to try and stop the run and force J.J. mcCarthy to make plays.

[Adam]

Absolutely. Okay, so, so Jefferson is a start, but you know, Jamie already said he'd start Michael Wilson over him. Aaron Jones is. Seems like a little bit ahead of most of those running backs we talked about earlier in that RB2 group. Emmanuel Wilson is in that group and Josh Jacobs would be a must start if he plays. You're sitting McCarthy. Jordan Love, I think is 16th for you guys. So try to get away from Jordan Love. You think Jordan Love will be better or worse than Davis mills who scored 18 and a half points last night.

[Jamie]

Great number right there.

[Dave]

I think he'll be just below he, he tends to struggle when he's pressured consistently do.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Quarterback.

[Adam]

So let's talk about the wide receiver.

[Jamie]

As a former Bears fan there, the microphone just died when you had to say something about the Packers.

[Adam]

I don't know why that happens. Yeah, it was weird. Let's talk about the who's your favorite packers wide receiver?

[Dave]

Dave Christian Watson.

[Adam]

Why Watson over Dobbs? Dobbs gets consistently. Oh, you know what?

[Dave]

In ppr I've got Dobbs one spot higher and non ppr, I think I've got Watson one spot higher. But they're both right on the low end wide receiver two high end wide receiver three range.

[Adam]

You're, you're, I don't know, five, five, six spots higher on Dobbs and Watson than than Jamie is. So this, maybe this is worth having a little rankings dispute. Jamie, you've got them closer to 30th and Dave has them closer to 24th. The two top packers receivers.

[Jamie]

There's just been such a lack of consistency for both of these guys, you know, I mean, Dobbs is getting targets and not producing. Watson had one spike game with two touchdowns despite only getting five targets like he. Until I see more targets for him, it's hard to say he should be a starter. And in the case of Dobbs, he's just kind of been like a poor man's Khalil Shakir, like getting opportunities and just not producing consistently with it. This is a really good defense.

[Adam]

Yeah. Dob. So Dobbs, I think people would probably be more confident in Dobbs. He had four catches for 53 yards on eight targets. If he didn't have two drops, two pretty easy drops against the Giants. And those are two of his, I want to say three or four drops all season. He's usually pretty short handed that then he'd be coming off a six catch for six catch, 70 yard game. And you take that. He also has eight of these.

[Jamie]

He's the only one that I think you can say I'm gonna start with some semblance of. I know what I'm getting.

[Adam]

Right. Expectation. Right, Right, exactly.

[Jamie]

That's what I'm saying. Like it's. It's Khalil Shakir.

[Adam]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, all right.

[Dave]

So there's a lot of Khalil Shakira's this week.

[Adam]

Don't start the tight ends. Green Bay's DST is top seven for Dave and Jamie. Giants are at the Lions. I already gave the stat of the game about the Giants giving up good games to running backs who get about 11 or 12 touches, which is Montgomery. Montgomery has scored once in his last five games. Just the problem is even when he scores, he's scoring you, what, 13 fantasy points or something like that. But I feel like he's scoring this game.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

Yeah. Right. So this. Look, the Lions are gonna have a big game. Lions are gonna have fun.

[Dave]

Probably.

[Adam]

Would you like to hear the wager of the game?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

Okay. Thank you for saying yes. You probably don't, but this is the.

[Dave]

Wager of the game. Yeah.

[Adam]

Of the season. Yeah.

[Dave]

Adam and Chad Smith, Adam and Chad.

[Adam]

Smith, drummer of the Chili Peppers, interviewed him before the season started. He's a big Lions fan. We said, let's make a bet on this game. He gave me 13 points. So I've got giants plus 13. I think the spread is 10 and a half. If the Giants cover, I Get signed. Drumsticks. I'm pumped about that. Let's go. If the Lions win by more than 13, I have to wear a Lions T shirt on the air, which is fine.

[Dave]

I'll do that.

[Adam]

I don't care. Let's get those drumsticks, baby. Thirteen drumsticks. Twelve. We need twelve. Twelve or less.

[Jamie]

I think you're in trouble.

[Adam]

You think so? The Giants. Oh, they usually lose one score games. They're pretty, they're pretty competitive.

[Jamie]

This is Detroit going back home. Coming off a loss like this could be ugly.

[Adam]

Yeah. So it's. It's all systems go for the Lions. Goff is start of the week. I think he's fourth in the quarterback. Third now. Okay, so you have who ahead?

[Jamie]

Drake, May and Stafford.

[Adam]

Okay, Dave, I think you have them fourth. So we don't really.

[Dave]

I have May and Stafford ahead of him too. I also had Josh Allen ahead of him.

[Adam]

Anyway, I don't blame you.

[Dave]

Go ahead. Yeah.

[Adam]

Jameson Williams is lay up an easy start this week.

[Jamie]

Based on the week? Yes. Based on what he's done. Yes. Like there's so much upside for him right now, you know. No. Sam LaPorta. Great matchup. Dan Campbell's unlocked him. It's been, it's been fun. So this should be a big game for him.

[Dave]

So he's been getting the type of targets that we've been talking about for some other receivers on this show, but he's turning them into monster numbers and I don't see how anybody can get away from that. Especially with the Lions with a get right game like this. And they've had a couple of these already this year and they've just had massive outbursts. I. I can't imagine this is going to be a bad game for almost literally anyone on the Lions.

[Adam]

So I just want to point out with Williams. We've been singing his praises all week, deservedly so. He's top 15 of the rankings. I'm certainly starting him. He's. His explosive play rate is out of control. 33.3. 43. 43 in three games. That's. No one does that. So he's. It's. He's kind of like a running back who is averaging six and a half yards per carry right now. Basically it's like, you know, he's playing really well, but it can't be this good. But again, like the Giants won't. Probably won't have Paulson adibo or cave on Thibodeau. And it's stardom. I just want to point out gonna Be awake. No, he. I really don't think he slept.

[Jamie]

I know he disputed it.

[Adam]

Yeah. Yeah. I think that was. Probably seemed like some bad reporting there. Okay. The Giants are tough, though. The Giants are tough. I don't think you're gonna start Jamis, but if Dart plays, you know, Dart. Dart is one of the only quarterbacks who's done well against the Eagles, and he did it twice. You know, he's been good against the Chargers. Yeah. Amazing game against the Broncos on the road. So starter, sit Jackson, Dart, if he.

[Jamie]

Plays low and starter, I think, you know, you kind of go with the expectation of they're down big and he's, you know, doing his thing. You know, hopefully he's not getting in situations that he gets himself hurt after, you know, a concussion and multiple visits to be evaluated for concussions this season. But this is. This is the. The Blake Bortles game. You know, this is where he's, you know, down big and hopefully just sucking all over the place. So I think there's opportunities for Wanda Robinson, which is why I like him. There's opportunities for whoever the other guy's going to be, whether it's Darius Slayton or Isaiah Hodgins. There's opportunities for Theo Johnson. The Lions have really given up a lot of production tight ends lately in the last five games. So, yeah, there's reason for optimism for these guys really, outside of the run game, because while Tracy was great last week and Singletary scored two touchdowns, the Lions just are the Buffalo Bills versus tight ends. Like, they just erase run games. So I don't. I don't know if you want to start Tracy with any hope of building off of what he did a week ago. There's just so many, like, all those guys that we've listed, including Sean Tucker. I think you make a case for it. Like, for me, I would. I would even gamble on Ramandre Stevenson over Tyrone Tracy this week, just based on matchup.

[Adam]

Wow. Okay. And was Bam Knight.

[Jamie]

I was starting night over both Giants running backs. Yeah.

[Adam]

Okay. I'm looking for some chat.

[Jamie]

I mean, again, is he healthy and what's going on with Trey Benson?

[Adam]

Obviously. Yeah. And we'll get to that game very shortly here. So that's. Yeah. And then Wandale, you said. Where do you guys have Wandale? He is 20, 24th. I've had for Jamie, 28th for Dave.

[Jamie]

Changed last night.

[Adam]

Okay, good luck. He does have. He gets a 25 target share most weeks. It's awesome. Just doesn't do a ton with it. And the Lions over the last five. How about this? Over the last five games, the Detroit Lions have faced the Chiefs. No. Rice, the Bucks, the Vikings, the commanders. No McLaurin and the Eagles. And no wide receiver has more than 58 yards against them in their last five games. They have given up some touchdowns, though. All right, Theo Johnson is 13th for everyone. Let's get to some questions. Oh, Slayton or Hodgins, would you have any interest in them?

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

I'd have to be desperate at receiver to start them.

[Adam]

Okay. I am. Oh, Brock Wright. Yeah. Does anybody have any interest in Brock Wright? After seven targets last week, Eight targets.

[Jamie]

Desperation play.

[Dave]

I agree. I'd rather start Theo.

[Adam]

Giants oddly been good against tight ends. All right, some quick questions that I missed from last game. Christian Watson or Trey Tucker?

[Jamie]

Watson.

[Dave]

Yep.

[Adam]

Jordan Addison, Greg Dortch or Rashid Shahid?

[Jamie]

It's crazy. That's where Addison is falling into. But I'd still go Addison.

[Dave]

I would, too. A little reluctance there, but that's it.

[Adam]

Hawkinson or Colson? Loveland.

[Jamie]

I know it's not Theo Johnson.

[Adam]

I think it's from the last game. T.J. hawkinson or Loveland?

[Jamie]

I'd go Loveland, but would look for other options.

[Adam]

Emmanuel Wilson, Ken Walker or Aaron Jones?

[Dave]

Chart Theo Johnson over both those guys, wouldn't you?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Dave]

Yeah, I would, too.

[Adam]

Emmanuel Wilson, Ken Walker, Aaron Jones.

[Jamie]

I think right now I have Wilson ranked the highest, but I may move Jones ahead of him.

[Dave]

I have Wilson ranked the highest. I might move Walker ahead of him.

[Adam]

Oh, and then this is just a gross pumpkin cheesecake. What else?

[Jamie]

Just go pumpkin pies. What else?

[Adam]

You gonna make me watch a Seminoles game while I eat that? Everything I hate. All right, next game.

[Jamie]

Oh, you guys get in the playoffs. I haven't really paid attention.

[Adam]

Oh, speaking about the playoffs, good news for the Bills if the Bills and the Texans end up with the same record. The playoff committee said that the Bills are going to get in over the Texans because this would count as a quality loss. If, you know. You know, selection committee is insane. Absolutely insane. Buffoonery.

[Jamie]

Because of Notre Dame.

[Dave]

No, we're getting screwed because we have terrible coaching against inferior teams.

[Adam]

Yeah. No, Miami does. Miami. If they don't get in the playoffs, it's their own fault. But if they go 10 and 2 and Notre Dame goes 10 and 2 and Notre Dame gets in over Miami because they have better quality losses. One of them to Miami. Ridiculous. Carolina's in San Francisco. State of the game. The Niners have allowed shoulders were covered.

[Jamie]

Because you're wearing the Same shirt as your chair. But those were.

[Adam]

Yeah, no, it's. But it's Miami's fault.

[Dave]

What did it look like? Jamie, show us. Yeah, there it is.

[Adam]

Carolina. Now, the 49ers are 31st in pressure rate and 32nd in sacks. And the 49ers have allowed 23.6 or more fantasy points to a quarterback in six of their last seven games. Would you start Bryce Young over Jordan Love?

[Jamie]

No, but you could certainly make the argument for it. Yeah, you just did.

[Adam]

I know dfs think about Bryce Young, but also he has the potential for six.

[Jamie]

It's a. It's a showdown game because it's Monday night.

[Adam]

All right, look, we talked a lot about Teterella McMillan on Beyond the Box Score. I won't get into it.

[Dave]

I think we.

[Adam]

We said some pretty interesting things, so take a listen to it. But coming off this game, start him. Sure. Stardom. Any interest. Any concerns about Rico Dowdle? No, you guys have him sixth.

[Dave]

The concern is that Rico is so good that Bryce Young doesn't throw as much as we're thinking. And Tedro McMillan comes up a little small.

[Jamie]

Did you see the. The play breakdown he had last week? Rico?

[Dave]

No.

[Jamie]

Oh, it was so awesome. He called the. The pass where he stepped out of bounds. So he. He read. He. He. He was in past protection the previous play, and he saw the way that the Falcons were playing them, that they were leaving either safety or linebacker on one side of the field completely un. Alone. And he went over to Canales and said, call whatever play again. Instead of me pass blocking, I'm. I'll leak out and throw me the ball. And he. He realized all he has to do is beat one player and it's a touchdown. And he essentially did. But he stepped on the. On the, on the out of bounds line. It was awesome.

[Adam]

That's really cool. I'd love to see that. I just. He's been very inefficient two games in a row, so let's not make it three in a row. All right? McMillan, you're starting to. Tavion Sanders, you're not starting. All right, so then, here we go.

[Jamie]

So you. You forgot to bring up what happened in IDP waivers.

[Adam]

Well, you got the guy, right, for $4. That's fine. I. I mean, I'm. I have no chance in that.

[Jamie]

I know. It's just funny.

[Adam]

Yeah. I don't remember who it was. The guy who's taking over.

[Dave]

Curtis Robinson.

[Adam]

Curtis Robinson. There's another guy that I picked up in idp. I'll try to give another name just randomly that I saw. He had like a big game last week and nobody added him anyway. 49ers McCaffrey. Yes. Kittle. Yes. Purdy. Dave Starter. Sit. Brock Purdy. Carolina is actually 12th best against quarterbacks, but I think a little deceiving.

[Dave]

They're very much. The Panthers are very much like the 49ers. They don't get a big pass rush. I think their secondary is probably playing a little bit better than the 49ers. But the way that Brock Purdy came back from injury and just carved up Arizona, I don't think that this is a step up at all as far as defensive matchup goes. And Purdy should be able to have another really good game. It kind of encourages me for the receivers in this game too for the 49ers just because I know Pierce all didn't do anything last week looked like a cardio game. He was getting open. He's got his speed back. I wonder if they lean into him a little bit more. So I. I kind of view them as borderline number two, number three receivers. Kittle's going to be awesome. McCaffrey is going to catch a bazillion passes and if that's going to happen, then by default Brock Purdy's got to be a top 10 quarterback.

[Adam]

Okay, Purdy or the Cowboys Eagles game?

[Dave]

Purdy.

[Jamie]

Purdy.

[Adam]

Purdy or Baker Mayfield?

[Dave]

Pretty Purdy.

[Adam]

By the way, the guy I picked up in IDP is not someone I'm going to recommend. Probably going to drop him. Cody Barton. He's had two good games in a row, but it's past deflended and sacks. It's not like tackles. So no, I don't know that there's. Oh yeah, no, let's talk. I asked you during one question for each game, how do you feel about the wide receivers? Jamie, you said you prefer Jennings to Pearsall. So who's a wide receiver that we don't really like this week that we've been talking about? A.J. brown. Would you start everybody? Juwan Jennings over A.J. brown.

[Jamie]

No.

[Dave]

I'm not there yet.

[Adam]

Would you start Jennings or.

[Dave]

A Packers receiver?

[Adam]

Yeah, sure.

[Dave]

So right now I've got both packers receivers ahead of Jennings, but that's a switch I'm thinking about making. Is is actually putting both 49ers receivers ahead of both the packers receivers.

[Jamie]

I would make a Packer sandwich with Jennings and Pearsall on the outside. Okay.

[Dave]

I do like Jennings better than Pierce Hall.

[Adam]

Some chat questions. Purdy or Daniel Jones? Brissette or Purdy?

[Jamie]

I go back and forth on these guys. I think Purdy right now over Brissette. But they're close.

[Dave]

I think both of them could be in shootouts. Might not be a lot of defense in either game. I'll go Brissette.

[Adam]

I know.

[Jamie]

By the way.

[Adam]

Purdy or Mahomes.

[Jamie]

Moms.

[Dave]

I have Purdy over Mahomes.

[Jamie]

Mahomes at home has just been absolutely disgusting. He's incredible.

[Adam]

Tedro McMills. McMillan or Michael Wilson?

[Jamie]

McMillan. But it's close.

[Dave]

Agreed all the way around.

[Adam]

And Juke says, I still don't believe Adam actually likes Rage against the Machine. Has to be fronting. I never said I like Rage against the Machine. I just had them on my Get Pumped up mix. I don't play particularly, have any feelings about Rage against the Machine. And this guy says, pull up my. What the hell? Which one is that? Is that Grover?

[Jamie]

You don't know?

[Adam]

Is it Grover?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

It's super.

[Dave]

Don't you have kids?

[Adam]

Sitting in my chair with my microphone. All right, that's it for this game. Jamie, I think, has the 49ers DST ranked somewhat high?

[Jamie]

No, I moved them down.

[Adam]

Okay. Yeah, they suck. Don't start them. Tampa Bay is at the Rams. Here's a defensive injury that I have not mentioned once all week. Really? I don't think. And I should have. Ram safety Quinton Lake, who played every snap for them, is on ir. So this will be. They have a great young secondary. Quentin Lake will not be playing at least for four games. Stat of the game. Which leads to the question of the game. Baker Mayfield and a Mecca Abuka have been bad for fantasy in three of their last four games, and now they're facing the number two defense in the NFL. So why should I be optimistic, Dave, about the Bucks this week?

[Dave]

You should be optimistic about them because I still believe that they're a good offense. There's been some weird circumstances with Baker Mayfield over three of his last four games that have slowed him down and made his numbers not look as great as we were hoping. I keep going back to that Patriots game, though. And that's a good defense. And he had three touchdowns in that game. So to me, Baker's someone that is still very startable. I do feel safer with quarterbacks like Brissette Purdy. I don't know if people are thinking about Mahomes versus Baker, but I'd start my homes over Baker. I. I think he could still have a good game here. You mentioned the Lake injury. I think that's significant. The thing that stood out to me about the Rams over the last three weeks, they're not getting nearly as much pressure on the quarterback as they were earlier in the season. And I think they have something like three sacks or lower in their last three games combined. If you give me a second, I'll look it up. One sack in their past three games combined.

[Adam]

Whoa.

[Dave]

That's not the Rams defense that we're used to seeing. And if Baker's got time, he will absolutely connect downfield. And it makes it easier to attack the middle of the field if there's no Quentin Lakes.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

I always like to look at. Because the Rams are six best against quarterbacks. Have any good quarterbacks actually struggled against them? And the only one I would say is Daniel Jones. And remember, Jones had.

[Dave]

And he was so close having Arnold.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Adam]

I, I didn't include Darnold in this because he really hasn't been that good for fantasy. But you're right. I mean, Darnold had a, had a terrible game. I was an MVP candidate from a fantasy perspective. Okay, that's fair. That's fair. Let's see. What did Darnold do against them? He scored. I don't have that up here, but he was obviously horrible.

[Jamie]

Foreigners.

[Dave]

He had four interceptions. Yeah, I, I don't know how many of them were. Yeah, he was, he was absolutely terrible. I don't think Baker could be that bad.

[Jamie]

No. And listen, Baker had a bad game last week because up quarterbacks were so bad. He was still a top 10 quarterback last week. But true, he, he, he has more times than not in this spot. And you can debate who his receivers were at those times. But at Seattle, great game. At Houston, solid game. Against Philadelphia, solid game. Against the Patriots, solid game. You know, I don't know if the Patriots qualify as those other.

[Adam]

No, they haven't been that good against quarterbacks.

[Jamie]

Okay, so throw that one out. But the other three games he's been 22 or more fantasy points against Seattle, Houston in their buildings, both of those and against Philadelphia. So I just think you trust him enough that you don't go to the waiver wire. If you have, for whatever reason, Brissette or Purdy on your team and you want to pivot to those guys, you can. But I just think Baker has just as much upside as almost any quarterback that you should still start him and that Abuka hopefully will start to deliver as well.

[Adam]

Yeah, Baker's big problem right now is big plays. His first six games, he was fourth in big play rate his last four games he's 23rd in big play rate and I think not having Mike Evans is hurting there. But also he's a big otten week Big Island. All right.

[Dave]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Adam]

So Abuka and otten or must starts.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

And then Tucker is.

[Jamie]

Best for me.

[Adam]

Really just a matchup.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

But what if he gets, you know, 15 or more carries? He had 19 last week.

[Jamie]

I mean they certainly could come through. It's a matter of, you know, again, we're still talking about a team. I know they giving up rushing touchdown each of last two weeks. One was to a backup running back and Brian Robinson. One was to Ken Walker in a hurry up situation. So Tucker can certainly fall into the end zone. You know, they're not as, as, as formidable as they have been and you know, missing players on defense is never going to help. But I still think you just look at it as Tucker had one great game and the one great game was against one of the worst defenses in stopping the run.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Dave]

By the way, that's part of the reason why Baker didn't have a great game last week was a bunch of drives were ended by Sean Tucker. Baker only threw 28 times. It was under 30.

[Jamie]

This feels like a throw it game for sure.

[Dave]

I, I think it's a throw a game for both teams.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Adam]

And Rashad White has not been good, but he actually has scored 8 to 10.4 fantasy points in four strike games. He hasn't been that bad. He's involved in the passing game.

[Jamie]

This feels like a typical Rashad White 5 catch for 15 yard type game.

[Adam]

You cannot start Chris Godwin if he plays. Right. I mean, you had his coach saying we're not going to just throw them in there for 50 snaps. You can't start Tess Johnson. Right.

[Jamie]

I would consider Ted Johnson as a number three receiver if God wants out. I would stay away from Tez Johnson if God plays.

[Adam]

All right. We like Otten Stafford, we love top three. Kyron is top 13. Just more than 14 carries now in one of his last seven games. And start Adams, start Puka. There's been some talk about Puka not playing that much. He hasn't been playing that much. They go with these three tight end sets and Adams and is the guy on the field. Whatever. I mean, it's not much you can do about it. That could always change.

[Jamie]

Well, now they're going to be in two tight end sets because Higby's out.

[Adam]

Probably any interest they could still do.

[Dave]

Three tight ends if they wanted to.

[Adam]

Yeah, I mean, is there. Are we gonna gamble on a Rams tight end?

[Dave]

Dave, I wouldn't.

[Jamie]

I would keep an eye on Ferguson. I mean, this is a guy that they tried to get going a couple times the last, you know, few weeks. And he clearly has a ton of upside. But I think you gotta see it first. And this is not the week to trust him.

[Dave]

I mean, when's the last time a Rams tight end.

[Adam]

It's the game of the week.

[Dave]

Yeah, the Rams and the Bucks.

[Adam]

You think I forgot about the game of the week? No. Cause it's the game of the week. Hey. Woo. You hung around long enough. You are in the game of the week. Sit the DSTs.

[Dave]

You picked the right game.

[Adam]

Thank you. I hope so. Atlanta's at the Saints.

[Dave]

Let's see.

[Adam]

It's out of the game in their last four games.

[Jamie]

The fact that you're waiting for this game.

[Adam]

Falcons. I could see this game being sneaky.

[Dave]

I thought he might have gone with Carolina. San Francisco.

[Adam]

Carolina is so boring even when they're not.

[Dave]

I know all Those targets to McMillan.

[Adam]

Yeah. One big one.

[Dave]

Rico.

[Adam]

One Rico slammed the ball up the middle. That's all they do all game. Anyway. The Falcons. In their last four games this week, the Falcons have allowed seven wide receivers to score 12.8 or more fantasy points. And five of them have scored 18.4 or more in their last four games. They have been really bad against wide receivers. So start Olave. All right. Juwan Johnson or Kate Otten?

[Dave]

Double checking my rankings, I have Otten higher.

[Adam]

But we like Johnson better than Jake Ferguson and Dallas Goddard. We like.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's not an easy matchup, but just hopefully his consistency and what he's, you know, shown us at least in the two games with shuck continues.

[Adam]

We've talked enough about Camara. If you missed it, Jamie talked about him yesterday at the start of the show. Dave talked about him in one question for each game. He's a number two running back. I'm kind of nervous about him because, like, I remember his game against the Giants. Giants were a great matchup and Camara was terrible.

[Jamie]

But I understand, Please, please stash Devin Neil.

[Adam]

One thing I'd point out is that Kendry Miller was getting seven to 11 carries per game. Devin Neal's getting about four. So that has helped come out as well. He doesn't have the same split as he once did.

[Dave]

I'm good with stashing Neil if it's a deeper league, but I think you can find better than that on the waiver wire. We Talked about this yesterday. Adam on the Beat the waiver wire show. Yeah, like Chris Rodriguez would be. I'd rather Rodriguez on the bench.

[Jamie]

Schedule is fantastic for the Saints and if Camara has to miss any time like Neil could be a league winner.

[Adam]

Camara or Sean Tucker.

[Jamie]

Come here.

[Adam]

Dave.

[Dave]

I have Camaro.

[Jamie]

Higher.

[Adam]

Okay. All right. Kyle Pitts, we're excited about to a degree. I mean he's. He's slumping a little bit, but.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah. You know, once it's a full PPR thing.

[Adam]

Right, right. We've had this one set up where it's been. No London and Kirk Cousins and he had a big game. He had nine targets and 14.9 PPR fantasy points. Yeah, he had.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Adam]

He caught all of it.

[Dave]

He had a Pokemon.

[Adam]

There you go. Caught them all. And then there's Mooney. So Mooney or Mooney or A.J. brown.

[Jamie]

No, Zach Robinson did say they're going to continue to give Mooney opportunities. They're offense coordinator for the Falcons. So you know, this is his chance to prove himself and we'll see if he can maybe turn things around and have a strong finish. There should be no semblance of confidence because he has no touchdowns this season and has not got double digits in PPR yet this year and that's including back to back games with seven plus targets. So I think you pick him up and if you're desperate, you know, there are a lot of crappy wide receiver matchups this week and you know, three receiver leagues, three receivers and a flex, you start them. But it shouldn't be like, oh, I'm excited to get darn Almoney in my lineup because Drake London's out.

[Dave]

I. You didn't even mention the biggest strike against him, which is his quarterback, Kirk Cousins under center. Just he's not throwing with the same type of velocity that he did even last year. Very pressure sensitive. I'm super nervous about Cousins and everybody's that he's throwing to in the game. The reason to pick up Mooney and you're certainly not starting a migraine, he might be a top 40 wide receiver for me. He's got the jets next week. That's a pretty good matchup. So if he looks good this week, and by he, I mean both Mooney and Cousins, maybe you could consider Mooney next week against the jets. But that's. It's a deeper league type stash at wide receiver. And remember next week everybody's playing, no one's on a buy, so you'd have to be really scraping the bottom of the barrel at wide receiver for for Mooney to be in consideration as a.

[Adam]

Stash and London is expected to be back next week. So maybe not definitively, but it would have to be a lot to to for Mooney to, you know, have a stretch here where he's helping you chat. Questions start B John Robinson, by the way. Joanne Johnson or Tyrone Tracy?

[Jamie]

Johnson.

[Dave]

I like Juwan Johnson better.

[Adam]

Darnell Mooney, Yoshevas or Romeo Dobbs?

[Jamie]

I'll take.

[Dave]

Yeah, I'll take Dobbs.

[Adam]

Kareem Hunt or Tyler Algier.

[Jamie]

The Spider man meme. Both need touchdowns. I'll take Cream Hunt.

[Dave]

I've got Hunt Higher.

[Adam]

This is obviously Hunt if Pacheco's out.

[Dave]

Yes, no question.

[Adam]

But if Pacheco's in then it's pretty close. Pitts Fanon or AJ Barner in PPR.

[Jamie]

Pits by a good margin for me.

[Dave]

Hold your nose and.

[Adam]

Pick one. Oh, did I read this one? No, I did. Judy Moody or Yoshava? Sorry, I'm holding my nose and good question to end the show with Does Bijan slowly fade with Christian? With Kirk Cousins? Not with Christian. Kirk. Does Bijan slowly fade with her cousins? No, no, no. There was only one stat I saw that I didn't like and that was Kirk Cousins. Last year he had about a 15. He had 15.5% running back target rate. This year Michael Penix is at 20% so we'd love to see that go up for Kirk Cousins that running back target rate. It probably will in this game without London but it is something to keep in mind. I guess I'd prefer Pennix be his quarterback but. But he'd still be John Robinson be the football.

[Jamie]

Would you rather be a Giants fan or a Falcons fan right now?

[Adam]

A Giants fan for sure.

[Jamie]

Would you rather be a Browns fan or a Falcons fan right now?

[Dave]

Falcons.

[Adam]

Yeah, Falcons fan.

[Jamie]

I'll take the Browns. Would you rather be a Jaguars fan or a Falcons fan right now?

[Adam]

Jaguars.

[Dave]

Yeah. I mean the Jaguars might actually make the playoffs this year.

[Jamie]

Would you rather be a Dolphins fan or a Falcons fan right now?

[Adam]

Falcons Dolphins have a very bleak future.

[Dave]

I believe the Falcons future super bright.

[Adam]

They did trade their first round pick.

[Jamie]

Don't have their quarterback. Maybe for the start of next year.

[Dave]

I'd rather be a Rams fan. They've got Falcons pick.

[Adam]

I mean it seems like they made a pretty good pick with that pick that they traded away but that was a. That was.

[Dave]

It seemed it's just the last two.

[Jamie]

Drafts of signing Cousins then drafting Penix not helping your defense then, then panicking and trading up to get a defensive player that is good but I don't think is worth the capital that they spent.

[Dave]

Who's their Starting quarterback? Week 1 next year? Is it going to be Pennix? You think he'll be healthy by that?

[Jamie]

I think it's cousins.

[Adam]

I think it's panics what they say.

[Dave]

I think it's Pennix too. But I'm real, I'm curious to see just how they operate this off season. They might totally re haul their front office too based on all these moves and how things have turned out. We'll see. But it is definitely tough to be a Falcons fan these days.

[Adam]

In all seriousness, if you're a fan of a bad team, I can't believe I'm saying this, the Giants are a pretty good bad team to be a fan of.

[Dave]

Okay, yeah, they've got their quarterback situation.

[Jamie]

They have a guy that's fun to watch and you know, opportunity to reshape their franchise.

[Adam]

But not just that, they have elite players on the offensive line and defensive line and they have malik neighbors and they've, they've been so bad they've actually collected a decent amount of talent and a lot of it's under contract. All right, let's get some drumsticks this week, not the chicken kind. And we will talk to you on the mailbag turkey kind noon Eastern.

[Jamie]

I have to do it against you though. I'm sorry.

[Adam]

Why?

[Jamie]

I have got to start the week so I hope he goes for so.

[Adam]

What you could still you have you like Wandale so we'll, you know, we'll chase some points. We'll keep it close. Thanks everybody for watching and listening.

[Dave]

Listening.

[Adam]

Have a great day. Talk to you soon.

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