Trade Talk, Advanced Metrics, Schedule Analysis and Raiders-Broncos Preview (11/05 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today — Trade Talk, Advanced Metrics, Schedule Analysis & Raiders-Broncos Preview

Date: November 5, 2025
Hosts: Adam Aizer (A), Dave Richard (B), Jamey Eisenberg (D), Heath Cummings (C), Guest Analyst Jacob Gibbs (E)

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Episode Overview

The FFT crew dives into trade strategy as league deadlines approach, advanced fantasy metrics, crucial injury and trade updates, waiver wire gems, and in-depth schedule analysis. They break down key RB/WR buy-low and sell-high candidates, debate the impacts of the NFL trade deadline, and preview the Raiders-Broncos Thursday Night matchup. The show also features analytics-packed insights from Jacob Gibbs, giving fantasy managers an edge for the playoff push.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trade Deadline News & Reactions

Timestamps: 03:41–12:00

• Kyler Murray’s Lingering Injury / Jacoby Brissette Starting

  • Kyler Murray may miss 4-8 weeks; Brissette’s been notably better for fantasy and real-world production.
    • Jamey: “Brissette looks much better. Their offense is averaging a touchdown per game better with Brissette under center.” (04:00)
  • Speculation on Cardinals’ future QB plans, possibility of targeting a rookie or old veteran.

• Wide Receiver Trades

  • Rashid Shaheed to Seattle: High weekly upside, low floor, likely in WR3/FLEX range.
    • Heath: “He could show up this week and play a full complement of snaps...he could score 18 to 20 points and it wouldn’t be that surprising.” (06:18)
    • Benefits Sam Darnold, minor value bump for Shaheed, but not expecting 7+ targets weekly.
  • Jacoby Myers to Jacksonville: Clouds Brian Thomas Jr. outlook; Parker Washington’s short-term value; Myers could play outside as well.
    • Dave: “Myers could also play on the outside...but it’s obviously going to hurt the upside for Washington.” (10:14)

• Other Trade Deadline Notes

  • Sauce Gardner to Colts, Adonai Mitchell featured more.
  • Jets strengthen defensive backfield, Cowboys add Quinnen Williams & Logan Wilson to address run defense woes.

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2. Waiver Wire & Deep League Pickups

Timestamps: 10:46–11:37

• Notable deeper league options highlighted:
  • Jack Bech, Devon Vail, Jalen Lane, Adonai Mitchell (if Garrett Wilson stays hurt)

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3. Buy Low Candidates

Timestamps: 14:07–27:15

Dave’s Buys

• Aaron Jones (RB, Minnesota)
  • Cheap to acquire, good stretch of schedule (Washington, Dallas, Giants)
    • Dave: “He’s got a top 8 projected schedule rest of season.” (15:00)
• DK Metcalf (WR, Pittsburgh)
  • Disappointing recently, but still #1 target; favorable upcoming matchups.

Jamey’s Buys

• Zay Flowers (WR, Baltimore)
  • Target share solid, easier end of season schedule.
• A.J. Brown (WR, Philadelphia)
  • End-of-season schedule favorable, could rebound if healthy.

Heath’s Buys

• Tedorro McMillan (WR, Arizona)
  • Massive air yard share, metrics indicate positive regression.
• Dak Prescott (QB, Dallas)
  • Confident in bounce-back; projects as top-6 to 8 QB rest of season.

Notable schedule debates:

• Cowboys’ pass defense called “atrocious,” likely to create shootouts favoring Dak’s fantasy output. (26:34)

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4. Sell High Candidates

Timestamps: 27:35–43:32

Heath’s Sell

• Daniel Jones (QB, Giants)
  • Brutal upcoming schedule: Berlin (vs. top-8 defense), Chiefs, Texans, tough road games. Cautious even after bad recent performance.

Jamey’s Sells

• Brock Bowers (TE, Seattle)
  • If trading, expect a “King’s ransom”; brutal end-of-season schedule could cap upside.
  • Jamey: “You might be able to get two amazing players in return...you should explore that.” (32:50)
• Emeka Egbuka (WR, Tampa Bay)
  • Schedule concern, gradual decline in production post-injury; trade if you get high-end value.

Dave’s Sells

• Kyron Williams (RB, Rams)
  • Heavy workload but faces bottom-10 schedule, TD/game-script dependent.
• Ashton Genti (RB, Raiders)
  • Recent spike partly due to receiving work; efficiency and schedule both concerns. Pair with another asset to upgrade at RB or WR.

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5. Debate: Rest-of-Season Rankings — Pittman, Flowers, AJ Brown

Timestamps: 29:26–31:41

• Wide-ranging opinions. Orderings differed:
  • Dave: Pittman > Flowers > Brown
  • Jamey: Flowers > Pittman > Brown
  • Heath: Brown > Flowers > Pittman
• Adam worries about Zay’s lack of TDs, Jamey flags AJ Brown’s injury status as decisive.

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6. Advanced Metrics Spotlight with Jacob Gibbs

Timestamps: 54:53–74:15

Quarterback Accuracy Deep-Dive

• Jacob: “Sam Darnold’s 61% highly accurate throw rate on 10+ yard passes is the highest in the league. Lamar Jackson is the only one close at 58%.” (60:00)
• Trevor Lawrence also top-ranked for catchable air yards per game over the last month; positive sign for Jacksonville pass-catchers.

Rashid Shaheed’s Outlook

• Productive in Kubiak systems, elite per target metrics. Aggressively targeted last year under Kubiak.
• Jacob: “He averaged 1.92 PPR points per target since entering the NFL... just below Mike Evans, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson for that span.” (67:54)

Historical Yards Per Route Run

• JSN currently setting an unprecedented pace: 4.7 yards/route run—higher than Tyreek Hill’s historic season (3.96).
  • Hosts debate the validity of “selling high” on JSN. Most say only for a king’s ransom.
• Dalton Kincaid comps as a hyper-efficient TE (3.0 YPRR; only Gronk was higher in last decade through Week 9), but limited routes and target volume are minor red flags.
  • Adam: “Dalton Kincaid is right now the most efficient tight end in football. That’s my point.” (73:37)

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7. Raiders–Broncos Thursday Night Preview

Timestamps: 45:27–54:53

Broncos Outlook

• Bo Nix: “12 of his last 12 home games, he’s averaging over 28 fantasy points per game in Denver. Top 5 upside.” (Jamie, 45:56)
• Courtland Sutton: Clear top-12 WR start.
• Troy Franklin: Heavy recent target share, viable WR3/flex.
• J.K. Dobbins: Top-24 RB, but floor has been concerning—volume alone keeps him in lineups.
• RJ Harvey: High route participation, desperation flex play.

Raiders Outlook

• Trey Tucker: Big play upside, low-end WR3/FLEX in boom-or-bust range.
• Ashton Genti: Low-end RB2, especially valuable in PPR if passing game remains active.
• Brock Bowers: Consensus TE1; usage/talent too great to fade.
• The consensus: prefer Franklin over Tucker and Dobbins narrowly over Genti; both Dobbins and Genti are shaky RB2s for this week.

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8. Community Engagement / FFT Open Leagues

Timestamps: 54:53–57:05

• League standings update, playoff structure explained.
• All hosts’ teams competitive; top-4 in division make playoffs, then division champs battle in Weeks 16–17 for the overall title.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Aaron Jones as a buy low

  • Dave (15:00): “He wasn’t even on the trade chart last week, so he’s not going to be somebody who should cost a lot in a deal.”

• On the sell-high window for Brock Bowers:

  • Jamey (32:50): “If you can get something amazing in return for him or two amazing players…you should explore that.”

• On Rashid Shaheed in Seattle:

  • Heath (06:18): “He could score 18 to 20 points and it wouldn’t be that surprising.”

• On JSN’s historic efficiency:

  • Adam (65:18): “Does anybody…maybe he’ll be more like WR8 or something like that rest season instead…the most incredible player in the world.”

• On advanced throwing accuracy:

  • Jacob Gibbs (60:00): “Sam Darnold’s 61% highly accurate throw rate on 10+ yard passes is the highest in the league.”

• On Cowboys defense and Dak's schedule:

  • Heath (26:34): “Five of those teams might score 40 points against the Cowboys…that’s actually better for Dak because…the last thing you want is him sitting on the sideline.”

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Timestamps Reference

• 03:41 — Kyler Murray/Brissette update
• 06:17 — Rashid Shaheed trade impacts
• 11:03 — Deep league waiver targets
• 14:07 — Buy low segment begins (Dave)
• 22:00–27:15 — More buy lows (Jamey, Heath)
• 27:35–43:32 — Sell high segment (Heath, Jamey, Dave)
• 45:27–54:53 — Raiders–Broncos preview
• 54:53–58:13 — FFT Open leagues update
• 58:13–74:15 — Jacob Gibbs advanced metrics segment

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Original Tone & Language

Banter between hosts remains lively, debate-driven, and full of classic FFT humor—especially during rankings debates (“AJ Clown” jokes) and the German stadium roof discussion. Jacob Gibbs’ segments add analytics gravitas, while actionable takeaways and matchup-based advice shine throughout the trade and preview portions.

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Bottom Line

This episode arms fantasy managers with advanced data, sharp trade talk, and clear go-forward strategy. It’s a must-listen for anyone eyeing a late-season surge, and its blend of actionable advice, schedule analysis, and metric-based insights (plus their entertaining back-and-forth) encapsulate what makes FFT a judgment-free haven for fantasy diehards and newcomers alike.

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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[A]

Hump day. Happy Wednesday everybody. November 5th. We're Talk Trade. Deadlines are approaching, few weeks away and it is time for fantasy football today presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary. We're gonna look at schedule, strength of schedule a little bit. Today we're gonna look at running backs. Maybe we'll have some tough matchups, wide receivers with great matchups, those types of things and try to help you out with buy lows and sell highs. We also should run through all the news and notes because we should talk about a fairly eventful day yesterday with a couple of trades that we did have a little bit of a bonus pot on. But in case you missed it. We'll give you our updated thoughts. Good morning, Heath. What's up?

[C]

Hey, Adam.

[A]

Good morning, Jamie.

[D]

Hey, Adam.

[A]

And hi, Dave.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I want to thank everybody and there's no need for any of the guys on the show to respond. We'll just leave it, you know, for me to say thank you all for the support on the rule change, on the rule change proposal. I greatly appreciate it. Thank you for having my back. Wildly popular take.

[D]

Adam's a. Just so you know, that just sums it up.

[C]

That's nothing new. No, I don't know anything about it, Adam.

[A]

All right, I'll make it real quick. If you get a personal foul. If you get a personal foul penalty, when it's second and one, it becomes second and 16. But if you picked up the first down on the play, it's still first and 10. I don't think that makes sense. I think that it should be second and one. Just move it 15 yards back and change the yard to gain the line to gain. But actually, if people didn't like that, there was actually a fairly good compromise. People said, Adam, you were kind of onto something, but it should be first and 25 in the case of picking up the first down and getting the personal foul. So I think at least people feel like there should be some yardage penalty even when you pick up the first down as it relates to down and distance. Okay. Anyway, news and notes. Jacoby Brissette is going to start his face.

[B]

Look at.

[A]

Just think about it. Just think about it. Jacoby Brissette is going to start about it. This is going to start this week at Seattle and it seems like it could be start.

[B]

You know.

[A]

Jamie, what was your read on this situation? Kyler Murray still got this foot issue, but how long do you expect Jacoby Brissette to be the starter?

[D]

Well, I love that the part of the report came out that it could be a four to eight week injury and so they just decided to leak that out now or. Or just got out somehow now that. Oh yeah, by the way, the other guy's playing much better. And this may be eight weeks that Kyler Murray may be sitting. So it makes sense if you're. The Cardinals, Brissette looks much better. Their offense is averaging a touchdown per game better with Brissette under center. So why would you not ride the hot hand at this point if you're trying to get yourself back into playoff contention? So let him heal and let him get healthy and let Jacoby Brissette continue to play well.

[A]

Okay. Every game he has started so far he has scored more fantasy points than Kyler Murray's best game of the year which came all the way back in Week 1 when he scored 22.3 fantasy points at New Orleans. Brissette has been better than that in six point per passing touchdown leagues in every game.

[C]

I I think the more interesting question is who is Kyler starting for next year?

[A]

J E T S There's no way.

[D]

That they don't go in with a rookie and some old veteran. They might be Jacoby Brissette starting for the jets next year with see I.

[A]

Think, I think next I think their rookie quarterback comes in 2027 when they have three first round picks and it's a much, much better draft class.

[B]

Yeah, maybe that that could be TR tank job.

[A]

Well no they could stop gap and then start and then look they could easily draft a quarterback this year. It's just not a great QB year. But stop they could in this veteran. Yeah good.

[C]

In response to Dave's comment like even if they draft a rookie quarterback next year, they're going to be terrible. So I understand maybe they don't want to go into the season with the idea that we're clearly terrible, but they're already clearly terrible.

[A]

Someone said I thought there was a.

[D]

Quarterback in Miami who's going to be first overall in the draft.

[B]

No.

[D]

No.

[A]

There's a fly on my wall. I feel like they're tricking me, but I'm gonna look anyway. I don't see it. Okay, next news item. Heath, we had a Jamie, Dave and I talked about the two wide receiver trades on CBS Sports Network. Let's get your thoughts on Rashid Shahid going to Seattle and Jacoby Myers going to Jacksonville where Brian Thomas Jr. Let's call him week to week but he could play this week. According to Adam Schefter and Travis Hunter not expected to be out long term according to Ian Rapaport. So your thoughts on the wide receiver trades?

[C]

Yeah, I think that Rashid Shahid becomes like he is right in that super high weekly upside, very low floor, low end wide receiver, three high flex range. He knows this offense so he could show up this week and play a full complement of snapshot and it's probably really bad news for Cooper cup and also bad news for Tory Horton who really was already occupying that role of maybe I score two touchdowns, maybe I catch two passes. It's a, it's a team that throws the ball 29 times a game and 11 of those go to JSN. Nobody else is going to be a consistent performer in the passing game. But Rasheed Shahid, you should feel great about if you have him in your flex or as a bye week replacement on a week to week basis because he could score 18 to 20 points and it wouldn't be that surprising.

[A]

Okay. Does you guys, Dave, Jamie have any updated thoughts on these situations?

[D]

No, no, I think he said it best. You know, it's, they, they needed wide receiver help. You know, they're, they're really banged up right now because their third and fourth receivers are dealing with injuries on top of Cooper cup or their fourth and fifth receivers dealing with injuries on top of Cooper cup being banged up. We don't know when he's going to return. So they needed to make some sort of move to help themselves out. And it, the only thing that frustrates me is not giving more of an opportunity, at least that on, on the surface to Tori Horton, you know, just because like it seemed as if he could become something and it's going to be hard for him to do that, especially when cup does come back. So I, I, I like the trade. You know, I think it's a smart move because again he knows the system, he knows the coordinator. They have, you know, recent history together in 2024 and we saw Shahid outperforming Chris Olave at the start of that season if you recall. So this is a great move for Sam Darnold. It's a, it's, I don't want to say it's a lateral move for she because I think there is a benefit to playing with a better quarterback and a better offense. So like you said Adam yesterday, you know, like he, he was just wasn't scoring touchdowns and that just felt like something that was not going to change dramatically in New Orleans with the quarterback there. So this should help him. But I would have liked to see him go someplace where he may have become not the number one but more of a featured guy because as he said, like we're not going to see consistent, I don't want to say double digit targets. We're not going to see probably consistent 7 plus targets for Rashid Sheet in this offense.

[C]

The other interesting thing is Tyler shuck has thrown 56 passes for the Saints. Sixteen of them went to Shahid, 10 each for Chris Olave and Juwan Johnson. I, I know we already had our Juwan Johnson or Johnson moment and then he faded away. But he's got a 17.8 target share with Chuck when Shahid was there. Yeah, he is probably back into that borderline top 12 conversation.

[B]

Sure is.

[C]

And hopefully Olave goes back to his target share where it was with Spencer Rattler, because I don't think they have anybody else on that team we want them to throw the ball to. Okay.

[A]

Jacksonville seems like a mess. I, I think we've said Brian Thomas Jr. As a biolo so many times, but with all the injuries and now adding Myers, it just doesn't seem like it's going to happen this year. You guys, just a quick agree or disagree. Just doesn't seem like it's going to be a good finish to the year for Brian Thomas Jr.

[B]

He's never, yeah, he's never going to be what we drafted him to be.

[D]

Right.

[C]

And, and this is obviously a, a big problem for the waiver wire Wide receiver of the week Parker Washington. He had a 49.3% slot rate last week. Jacoby Myers had a 49.1% slot rate. Now maybe it takes Myers a little longer to mix in and maybe if Thomas and Hunter aren't there and Myers is learning the offense, Washington could still be a decent fill in this week. But I don't think he's going to help you much once Myers gets ramped up.

[B]

Myers could also play on the outside like he's capable of lining up anywhere. I think Washington, it's pretty clear, is best in this slot. So there, there's a chance that the Jaguars try and utilize Myers as a perimeter receiver more than a slot receiver. But you're right, it's. It's obviously going to hurt the upside for Washington.

[A]

Yeah, I was going to say that, Dave. Actually, if you look at the previous two years in Las Vegas, those were the lowest slot rate years of Kobe Myers career and they were not this year. But this year has been back to that, you know, 40% slot rate. So maybe they'll play a very last.

[C]

Thing like Trey Tucker wasn't in our waiver wire columns because he's 68 rostered and not 64 rostered. But things look much better for him and in deeper, deeper leagues. Go see if Jack Besh is available.

[D]

There's some good deep league options this week. You know, between Jack Besh you could take a flyer. I know it's a crappy offense but Devon Vale now because he's going to get more playing time. You got Jalen Lane with all the injuries in Washington and, and what their receiving core looks like, you know, there's a young guy that they may start to feature a little bit more. And A.D. mitchell, you know, if you're if you're just looking at it, I know it's a, it's a gross passing attack, but they, they got him for nothing. And former second round pick that just maybe need needs playing time and I don't think there's a lot of people on that team that are keeping him off the field, especially if Garrett Wilson's still hurt.

[A]

Okay, so if you're in the chat right now, by the way, we'd love to know who you think the biggest winner of the trade deadline is. So I'll read the results in a little bit. But in the chat, tell us, who do you think the biggest winner of the trade deadline is? Thomas will put little stars next to your responses and then we'll kind of see what the chat is feeling. The other news, Sauce Gardner going to the Colts for two first round picks and Adonai Mitchell. Mitchell, so far he's been kind of a downfield guy. He was the 52nd overall pick in the draft in 2024. The jets also required acquired a defensive back from the Chargers for a seventh round pick. It's not going to be Sauce Gardner. The jets traded Quinn and Williams to the Cowboys. So the Cowboys added Quinn and Williams on their defensive line and Logan Wilson at linebacker. They've obviously had one of the worst run defenses in football. Let's see if this changes things. The Chargers acquired.

[D]

How excited we would have been if you said before the season, man, Jerry Judy gets to face the jets without Sauce Gardner.

[A]

Yeah, I know, right? The Chargers acquired Trevor Penning from the Saints.

[D]

They've.

[A]

They're really thin at offensive tackle. Penning can play tackle or guard. He hasn't really been that great, but they need bodies there.

[B]

Marvin Adam.

[A]

Yeah, Marvin Mims returned to practice so he might be able to play this week. They got the Thursday game. We'll preview that one. Davis Mills. As of now, he's expected to start according to KPRC2's Aaron Wilson because CJ Stroud's in the concussion protocol. They get Jacksonville this week and Kaimi Fairbairn who had a nice week last week. He has a lower body injury. The kicker for Houston and Ricky Pierce. All status is still unknown. All right, football fans, picture this. You bet on your favorite player to score the first touchdown in the game, but his teammate scores instead. Well, if this happens, BETMGM wants to give you another chance at the end zone with BetMGM's second chance promotion. You'll get your stake back if your first touchdown scorer scores second instead. So. That's right. Bet on any pro football player to score the first touchdown of the game. If you're right, you win. If your player scores second, you get your stake back in cash. With BetMGM's second chance offer, you have a chance to keep the fun going after the first player crosses the goal line. So try a first touchdown scorer wager with confidence today. BetMGM make it legendary. All right, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll get back to. We'll come back with our buy lows and sell highs. Actually, let's. You know what, the audience has been good. So let's get to Dave's buy lows and then we'll take a break and then we'll get more buy lows and sell highs and all that. But Dave, give me a couple of buy lows.

[B]

First one is a cheap running back that you can get if you've been desperate to add somebody. And it's someone that I'm surprised to be saying it's Aaron Jones on the wrong side of 30. He's actually going to be 31 years old in December, but before he got hurt last week, played 23 of 30 snaps for the Vikings. He scored 11.8 PPR points. That's against Detroit. In Detroit, he had 15.7 PPR points. Week Week 1. It looks like he's going to be okay to play this week for Minnesota. I would target him if I already had Jordan Mason and I still needed some running back help. If, if you, if you were excited to get Devin Singletary off the waiver wire, you shouldn't have to give up too much to get Aaron Jones in a trade. He's got a top eight projected schedule rest of season. That helps. He wasn't even on the trade chart last week, so he's not going to be somebody who should cost a lot in a deal.

[A]

He's got a stretch of Washington, Dallas and the Giants. That's so good. But he's still healthy by then, right?

[B]

That, that's the biggest thing is can he survive the wear and tear of being what looks like the one A back for Minnesota? And I doubt he gets goal line carries like Jordan. Mason can still do that, but he started last week, looked good last week. You're just trying to get somebody who can, who can help you get through the rest of the season as an RB2. And by the way, the fact that injury risk is a concern that's baked into what you should have to pay for him in a deal.

[D]

So would you advise making a very small offer for Jordan Mason too, just with the idea of he may be cut on some teams, you can even.

[B]

Give up less for Mason. Yeah, I just, I don't have any confidence in starting Jordan Mason unless it was one of those matchups that Adam was talking about where there's either going to be a lot of points score that feels like the Dallas game or a matchup where Minnesota just might march their way to victory, like against Washington.

[D]

I mean. Yeah, I guess the, the, the upside would be is like you're, you're trading for somebody for again, nothing and you're waiting out the Aaron Jones injury because like he comes back, he gets a significant workload and all of a sudden he's hurt again.

[A]

Yeah, could happen. I was going to ask though, do you, do we still look at Dallas on the schedule for a running back and think it's a good matchup?

[B]

I think it's even better for Jones than it would be for Mason since Quinn and Williams theoretically is going to clog the interior.

[D]

I mean, let's just be honest for a second here. They traded for two guys that were on two teams that couldn't stop the run to begin with. It's true. Yeah.

[B]

Logan Wilson is the one that's, that's interesting. And they're getting demarian overshown back too.

[D]

Yeah, I mean it's, it's, it's obviously.

[B]

It could get significantly better, but I don't know if I'm buying it.

[D]

It's obviously better, but to the point of like I'm running away from the Cowboys defense now.

[A]

No, no.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

I was just asking.

[B]

And then still gonna throw on the Cowboys.

[A]

Dave, your other, your other buy low is DK Metcalf.

[B]

Yeah, I settled on him. He's got eight or fewer PPR points in two of his pastor games. That's not good. But 16 and a half PPR or more in three of his past five. Steelers did not add a wide receiver at the trade deadline. So he's still in line to be the number one target getter. Could have some high volume games coming forward. Top 12 projected schedule helps. It does get a little worse once you get to Detroit and Cleveland in week 16 and 17. And it's still the slow paced Steelers, but at least he's got Aaron Rodgers who's been mostly very accurate this year. Not a lot of off target throws from Rogers and I. I know that Jalen Warren had two touchdowns last week, had a great game. Not sure if I'm buying that the Steelers are suddenly a good running team moving forward. So another another wide receiver that I think you can acquire relatively cheap. You're going to have to pay more for Metcalf than you would for Aaron Jones.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

All right. We'll take a break. We'll come back with some more buy lows, sell highs. By the way, Jacob Gibbs is going to join us later on in the show to give some advanced metrics and we'll be right back.

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[C]

I don't think it'll be worse.

[A]

Yeah, that's a good point. The jets and Taysom Hill.

[C]

Do we have a clarification on Brian Thomas? Was it a high ankle?

[A]

According to Schefter, it's a low grade high ankle sprain. Could play this week.

[B]

Well, that's not confusing.

[A]

That's a big difference. Like there's a. Some guys come back from the high ankle sprain. They don't miss time. The bad high ankle sprains are, you know, four to six weeks. Tajay Spears.

[C]

Well, if he has a high ankle sprain, that bothers him for a month, but it's low enough grade that he's able to play through it. I think Jacoby Myers will be the number one wide receiver on that.

[D]

Yes, that's a great way. I think in the case of the compensation that they gave up for a team that has not ruled out Travis Hunter yet or Brian Thomas for this week or Diami Brown for this week. Also remember, he's in the concussion protocol. They paid a pretty hefty price for a guy that's a rental.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And not exactly a superstar.

[B]

Yeah, well, they could always resign him.

[D]

But does that make sense for what they have already on their roster?

[B]

It depends on what they pay them. But you're, you're right. Like they can't give them a superstar's contract given what they have. Unless they're already plotting to move on from Brian Thomas Jr.

[A]

Okay. And yeah, some people saying that Jack Besh and Trey Tucker could be the biggest winner. I think that's kind of where we were at. Olave was. Was.

[B]

Can I say one thing on the Raiders?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

They used a ton of two tight end formations last week and if they keep doing that, you're not going to see a lot of Besh and Thornton on the field. Neither one of them even played last week. So Dynasty. No question. They belong on a bench. Redraft leagues even deeper. Redraft leagues. I would wait to see what happens this week first, but I agree on Trey Tucker. Dude's been playing outside all season long. As adot's gone down over his last three games, that's a little worrisome. But if he's going to get six or seven targets per game, could end up being decent some weeks could be in that number three flex range.

[D]

He. He's the one constant. You're right, Dave. Because for some reason they want to continue to play Tyler Lockett over the younger guys.

[B]

Right. They just got him.

[A]

All right, Jamie, let's go to your buy lows. Couple of wide receivers. Zay Flowers, Heath had him as a buy low last week. So I think there's just. We love. He's getting so many targets on a target share percentage but obviously it's tough with Baltimore and then A.J. brown. Save flowers and A.J.

[D]

Brown. Yeah, I mean for Flowers, I. I know where Heath was going last week made so much sense. You know, with Lamar Jackson coming back and you know what? He was the beginning of the season and just taking that a step forward. He's coming off at this point in game. You know, we had high expectations for him against Miami and he didn't play well. And then you just look at the end of season schedule and it's very favorable for him. So if he can sort of live in that 14 point per game range as a floor without scoring touchdowns and then maybe gets a few more touchdown opportunities, we could be looking at a wide receiver one to close the season. So if you can find the, you know, Zay Flowers manager that's hovering around 500 or worse and has a need someplace else and you could fill that need, you know, then try and make that trade. If they have wide receiver depth because Flowers was drafted as a low end number two, high end, number three receiver and may have some. That manager may have some options on their team. In the case of A.J. brown, actually I think I had him on on this list last week as well. Just because they were on a buy and so hoping that he's going to be healthy. Same thing I said last week, end of season schedule is fantastic for him. We know that he was still getting targets. He just was not producing at the level that we're used to seeing. And if he's right, Hamstring's healthy, can still be that guy. I think we're gonna see the Eagles, I don't buy that their rushing offense is fixed. The rushing attack is fixed just because Saquon Barkley had that great game against Giants. So we could see a little bit more opportunities for him or similar opportunities for him like we had earlier in the season. And I'll take my chances with that. If I can get him at a reduced cost because he's clearly been, as we're seeing somebody just said in the chat, AJ Clown. You know, people are frustrated with what AJ Brown has failed to deliver this season. Hopefully he can finish the season strong.

[A]

AJ Clown. Yeah, he's getting a lot of targets and I, I like the fact that they have a lot of good offenses left on their schedule and it might lead to games where Jalen Hurts has to throw at least 30 times.

[D]

Green Bay defense now is just so dominant.

[A]

That's true. But still like Green Bay, Detroit, Dallas, Chicago, Chargers, Raiders, Commanders, Bills, Bills in the fantasy championship, it's like I don't care how good the defenses are, if they throw the ball, they're going to have success. Just need to be able to just like don't have games like the Giants game where, where just Barkley's going crazy and they're running a ton. And then Heath, you've got Teo McMillan who is currently wide receiver 35 per game and Dak Prescott.

[C]

Yeah, it's just like Tedro McMillan has a 42% air yard share this year. There's one wide receiver in the NFL that has a higher share. You, everybody probably knows who it is. You want to guess jsn, of course. And I just think for a rookie wide receiver who has definitely underperformed his underlying metrics, I'm always going to be willing to bet that that guy is going to improve. And so you said he's wide receiver 35. If you can buy at wide receiver 30 cost, I think that would be a good bet. His metrics look like and it's one of the reasons that a lot of people just keep ranking him as a no doubt number two start wide receiver because that's what the metrics look like. And so I'm gonna bet that those are going to pay off. And if they don't, it's still a bet that I think is worth making.

[B]

If Jake Ferguson is your only tight end and you need a wide receiver, would you give up Ferguson for Ted Arroyo?

[C]

McMillan who's on the waiver wire?

[B]

Mason the best tight end. Mason Taylor and Juwan Johnson are on the waiver wire.

[C]

Yeah, I think I'd do that.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I definitely do that. 100 same. Go do that.

[A]

Dak Prescott.

[C]

Speaking of Jake Ferguson, they've both had two very bad games in a row. I'm more confident that Dax going to bounce back than I am that Ferguson's going to bounce back. I just haven't seen anything from deck that Suggests to me that he's going to play bad the rest of this season. And he has CD Lamb, George Pickens and Jake Ferguson. I would expect him to be a top six to eight quarterback the rest of the season.

[B]

I was just about to ask you that.

[A]

The schedule bother you? And let's go through the schedule here because he has some good past defenses. Got to buy at Las Vegas, Great Philadelphia, Kansas City at home at Detroit when they're healthy, they're pretty good. Minnesota Chargers and then at Washington in week 17 is great but it's not a, it's not a, like it's not one of those schedules. Ooh, he's going to tear this up. He's got some tough defenses there.

[C]

The thing is like five of those teams might score 40 points against the Cowboys.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Or, or all of them, all of them might. But like it's some of the best offenses in the NFL against the Cowboys defense, which I think the fact, I do think their run defense is going to be better and their past defense is still going to be atrocious. And that's actually better for Deck because the last thing you want is him sitting on the sideline while a team runs at 16 times at 5 yards a pop and goes 80 yards and takes 12 minutes off the clock. I think teams will score much faster than that against the Cowboys and so he should be involved in shootouts and I, I would expect much better production.

[A]

All right, let's transition over to our cell highs. But to recap, Dave has Aaron Jones and DK Metcalf as buy lows by pretty low on them. Jamie has Zay Flowers and A.J. brown. Heath has Tedro McMillan who says you know, pay wide receiver 30 costs for him. He could be better than that. And Dak Prescott, Heath sell high.

[C]

Yeah, I've only got one of those and I've said it like six times this season, so I'm going to say it again and it's coming off of a bad game, but it was still a 17 point game. I am really pretty terrified by Daniel Jones upcoming schedule. He plays in Berlin against the team that ranks number eight against quarterbacks. And I know they haven't been as good lately, but they did hold. Drake made a 20 fantasy points which is about 80% of his season average. And it's in a dome, but it's not in Indianapolis. Then he goes on by, then he goes to Kansas City. Then he gets a home game. Or is it, is it not Kansas City right after that?

[B]

Dave, I'm double checking on Berlin Being a dome, I think it might be. It's got.

[D]

It is a open, open top, retractable.

[A]

Roof or just like, I don't know if it's.

[C]

I googled it, said it used to be an open roof and they put a dome on it.

[B]

So I. Olympia Berlin.

[D]

The picture I saw last night, I think is Olympia, Olympia something.

[B]

Olympia Stadion. Yeah, I'm probably butchering that. I'm sorry.

[D]

It looks like Dallas.

[A]

Gotcha.

[C]

Regardless. Then he's at Kansas City.

[B]

It's not a dome.

[C]

He gets a home game and guess what? It's against the number one past defense in the NFL, the Houston Texans. Then he goes back on the road for two more games.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

All right.

[C]

I'm not sure you're going to want to start. Like, Daniel Jones will probably have a couple of 20 point games in that stretch. I'm not sure you're going to want to start him in the next five weeks.

[A]

All right, so listen, he's coming off a horrible game, right? And people might be thinking, you know the pumpkin joke that you and I both made.

[C]

I'd rather have Dak Prescott.

[A]

But hold on. But what, what if we say, would you sell high on Michael Pitman, who is on fire right now, getting a lot of targets, looking great? What do you. Does this extend to him?

[C]

If you could get top 12 wide receiver value, then yes, I think you can. If, if somebody, if you have like, I think he's probably still a number two wide receiver.

[A]

Who would you rather have rest of season? Michael Pittman. Rank these guys. Michael Pittman, Zay Flowers, A.J. brown.

[C]

That's a good.

[B]

I've got it in the order. You said it on the trade chart.

[D]

Oh, wow.

[B]

And it's, it's probably going to be that order, even like absent of the trade chart.

[D]

I would go, Flowers, Pittman, Brown.

[C]

I've got it. Brown Flowers, Pittman.

[D]

Wow.

[B]

Wow. I wish you guys had. I would try and buy low on Pittman from you guys. I don't think he's going to be a complete disaster.

[C]

Well, I don't think Brown or Flowers is going to be.

[D]

I don't think these guys.

[B]

I like all three of these guys. I think Pittman's got the most upside of the three for the rest of the season.

[A]

I just, I'm a little concerned about Zay Flowers. He. He doesn't score and this is nothing new. He doesn't get targeted there. I understand that. That could easily change. He's got two games in his entire career with more than, I want to say, 13 or 14 fantasy points with fewer than seven targets. And like they're, obviously they're going to want to run the ball a lot. So I like him, but I think he'd be last to me on this list because they just, they just don't throw it off. Not even close.

[C]

Well, he doesn't score, but if he scores, if he matches his career totals, he's got three or four touchdowns coming in the next eight weeks.

[A]

I hope so. I think A.J. brown's got more than that. Well, items big on A.J. brown.

[C]

I had Brown ahead of Flowers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

An injured A.J. brown or at least an A.J. brown where we don't know how healthy he is, easily his last on this list. Once we know and then we don't know, if we get reports that he's fine and he's not even on the, the practice reports this week for Philadelphia, then it's worth changing your tune. And you can put them over Flowers, you can put him over Pittman, but he's, he just, he, he hasn't been the same receiver consistently week after week in 2025. And that worries me. The fact that he was hurt going into the buy worries me. If he's still on the injury report coming out of the buy, that really worries me. And not for nothing. Well, I guess it's not fair to say devonte Smith has outplayed him this year, at least in terms of fantasy points, because he's, he's played one more game. But devonte Smith has looked pretty good this year, too.

[A]

Okay, fair enough. I mean, the injury definitely, I guess I didn't consider that enough. So he says Daniel Jones is so high. Jamie, you say Brock Bowers and a Mecca Abuka.

[D]

So in the case of Bowers, it's, you have to get clearly a King's Ransom in return. But yes, we, and, and clearly he's going to benefit to whatever capacity of losing a receiver on the team. But the schedule is brutal and the tight end position for however long this will last is robust and you might be able to manage your way through it with whoever you picked up in the absence of Brock Bowers and then get something at another position that could really benefit you. So I'm not giving him away by any stretch and I don't think he's going to, you know, completely struggle when the matchups are tougher. But that being said, if you can get something amazing in return for him or two amazing players in return for him, because I still think that could happen, you should explore that. I, I just think that that we may have just had his best game and it was awesome and he's capable of doing that. But again, you know, it just maybe trending down from here to whatever sliding scale we get to with him.

[A]

Would you trade him? Looking at the most traded list, would you trade Brock Bowers for a Ronde Gadsden and Marvin Harrison Jr. Nope.

[D]

I would definitely consider that if my receiving core sucked, but it would. I would probably look for a better receiver, but that's the type of trade you want to make. You want to get a tight end that's playing well, that could be in the top 10 range and a receiver that's going to give you some sort of, you know, quality product. All right, Heath, would you do that if it was McMillan?

[C]

No.

[D]

Would you do it if it was A.J. brown?

[C]

No.

[D]

Wow.

[B]

Well, but Heath is also driving the bus of the Brock Bowers bandwagon. So not to ask Keith to.

[D]

I was about Fanon and A.J.

[B]

Brown.

[C]

What?

[D]

Fan and A.J.

[B]

Brown?

[C]

No, I think Fanon and Gadston are very, very similar. I think those guys are probably going to score 11 or 12 fantasy points per game the rest of the way. And I listen, I right. Bowers played the first three quarters of week one and he had a 30 target share. He came back in week 10, he had a 34 target share or week nine. And then they traded away Jacoby Myers. I think he's probably two points per game better than Trey McBride and six or seven points a game better than Fannin and gets.

[A]

But for what it's worth, they have a terrible schedule.

[D]

Right.

[A]

Dallas, Cleveland Chargers, Denver, Philadelphia, Houston giants in week 17.

[D]

I don't know.

[B]

I'm going back to what I said about Daniel Jones earlier this week. I think pass rush matters the most here because if Geno's comfortable, he's going to be able to fire accurately to Brock Bowers all day long. And Bowers proved that. Even if it's a pass, it's a little off. He can still, like, wedge it in between. He can like chicken wing it with his arm and fall booty first in in the end zone and score a touchdown with tight coverage on him like he had last week. But Jacksonville didn't bring the pass rush. They lost Trayvon Walker in the middle of the game. Gino was comfortable. Brock Bowers had a monster.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And I. I am reading on berlinexperiences.com that the stadium is now covered by an immense roof that seems to float over the spectators.

[B]

It is. It's almost like Hard Rock Stadium. Down here in Florida Heath, where the spectators are covered but the field is not.

[A]

I think what you're trying to say, Heath, is das stadion east noon meet einem dach Bedeck. Okay, so I think. Glad we put that to rest.

[C]

So if it rains, Dave, you think.

[B]

That they will get Daniel Jones will get wet?

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Does that mean he melts and scores only nine fantasy points against the Falcons?

[D]

I don't know.

[A]

I think we have a German.

[C]

Do we have a German in the chat that can confirm or tonight I.

[A]

Dave, I think what you're trying to say is Daniel Jones weird. Nas weirden. He will get wet.

[C]

Okay, I do like that you're at least using a German accent, unlike Dave who said Olympic stadium. The Spanish.

[A]

Yes, I know. What was that?

[B]

I'm a big American rube.

[D]

Sorry.

[A]

All right.

[D]

Sorry.

[B]

I don't have a great German accent.

[D]

Are we getting. Are we getting as the game of the week again?

[A]

Oh yeah. Vaughn spiel divokia whatever the hell it is.

[B]

Oh yeah, you already. He's already practiced it if you know some of the words.

[A]

All right, so Jamie a Mecca Abuka as a sell high. How would you compare him to Zay Flowers and AJ Brown? Who are your biolos.

[D]

I. I mean at this point I'd rather have a booka rest of season. We'll see what happens because again they're going to get at some point Chris Godwin back end of season they may get Mike Evans back, but that shouldn't be a factor. But the schedule's tough and so when you look at the end of season schedule like is he going to continue to produce at the same level? And we see this all the time, especially going from year one to year two. Look what Brian Thomas is dealing with. Wide receivers sometimes get figured out and teams sometimes get figured out. And we've seen a little bit of a lull with Abuka. I wonder if just the. The. The book on him now is. Is out and teams are figuring out a little bit how to defend him. I don't think again you're sitting him. We know this week's going to be a little bit tougher now for him. You know, just looking at the matchup for the Bucks but in the case of what you can get returned again, you're trying to get something great in return for this. So I think you might be able to get in certainly the case AJ Brown, you might be able to get Brown in something else for a buka especially if Brown continues to miss time. And maybe in the case of Flowers too, you know. So again, you're just trying to sell at max value for Bowers and for a book. I don't know if you missed the window in terms of max value, but I still think if we get word that Godwin's out and he's still the. The guy, which clearly he is, then you might just be able to get something that might help you a little bit more down the stretch. Because I don't really love the schedule for Tampa Bay 10 season.

[B]

I wonder if the injury that he suffered, what was it not three weeks ago, four weeks ago, has been the real reason why Tampa's passing game has been like harpooned over their last two games.

[D]

But one of them they just ran against New Orleans.

[B]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's true. I don't think you can count that against them. That's fair. But the Detroit game, for example, like, I remember going into it, we weren't even sure if he was going to play.

[D]

Yep.

[B]

I, I don't know if a book has been the same guy. Here's another receiver. I can't wait to see what the practice reports are like this week. If he comes out of the buy and there's nothing wrong. What was it? A hamstring. Jamie, do you remember what it was?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

As a hamstring.

[B]

Yeah, it was a hamstring. Thank you, Jamie. So if it's going to be that for Mecca Buka and he's okay and there's no problems, then I would have high expectations for a bucha rest of season.

[C]

Adam, while I was researching Olympic Stadium in Berlin, did you. And I don't think you did because I think you were only speaking in German. Did you put Iguka on the AJ Brown, Zay Flowers, Michael Pittman?

[A]

I did. Jamie said he'd rather have a buka. Yeah, like selling high on Bowers and Abuka makes me a little nervous because these guys have opportunities to win you your league and they've been so good. I did notice the schedule for both of them does kind of stink. Can they rise above that? You know, I definitely think Bowers could just tight ends, like great defenses. Sometimes they. It's not necessarily translated to how they do against tight ends. I get it. With a Buka especially like difference making tight ends. Just knowing what we know about the Bucks offense the last year, two years from the end of 2023 till till now, it's so Baker Mayfield's so good. He's struggling a little bit now. You know what? My friend texted me with a really Interesting Abuka trade. Would you give up Olave, a Buka and Swift for Jamar Chase?

[B]

I think it's too much for Chase.

[D]

How. How many teams in the league?

[A]

12 team league. And he doesn't really have a good RB2. So he'd be giving up Swift, whose values has to be down right now, would think Olave, Abuka and Swift for Chase.

[D]

If you're running back situations hurting, then I wouldn't do it.

[A]

I know it's exciting to have Chase on your team, but it is. That's a lot to get.

[D]

He can.

[B]

He can ask for a lowish end running back in return.

[A]

All right, Dave, you have two minutes.

[B]

Better than Aaron Jones.

[A]

Anyway, you have two minutes to tell me why we're selling high on Kyron Williams and Ashton Genti.

[B]

Well, with Kyron, he's been a game script and touchdown dependent running back on a team with an MVP quarterback candidate. He's on the Rams with the fourth highest red zone pass rate this year. They're closer to the middle of the pack from inside the five. That's still bad for Kyron Williams, by the way. He's coming off one of his best games of the year. First time this season with over 20 carries. Second time with over 18 carries. Bottom 10 projected schedule rest of season San Francisco, Seattle, Tampa. Those are his next three. Detroit and Seattle and Atlanta. In the fantasy playoffs. I've got them still pretty high just because running backs tend to carry more value in the trade chart. But he had this big game. He didn't move up. I got a ton of complaints from people saying, why didn't you move him up? He had a big game. It's because I think the schedule moving forward is tough and I think the situation is a lot different for him than it might have been two seasons ago. Certainly in any of the past, you know, two years of play when Stafford hasn't had this kind of awesome receiving core and that's been few and far between. But Kyron Williams is someone that I would consider selling high on. Maybe having that the same value as Devonte and McConkey on the trade chart. But I'd love to really pair Kyron Williams with another player and move up and get that elite player. Use Kyron plus something else to get Jamar Chase or Bijan Robinson or Jameer Gibbs. Gibbs is coming off of a clunker. You can go and get him. Genti had a good game last week thanks to his receiving. The 19.9 PPR points was the second best total on the year. He's been under 15 PPR points in four games. Under 17 and six games. He's not delivering on that first round value. Three and a half yards per carry or worse in each of his past three games. That includes the game against Jacksonville last week, obviously, and Tennessee a few weeks ago. Bottom 5 Projected Schedule Brock Bowers is back. He looks awesome. I, I just, I feel like anytime Genti has a big game, you should be open to trying and upgrade on him. Do the exact same thing that that I just said with Kyron Williams. See if you can turn him into something more. I do have Kyron higher than Genty rest of season and on the trade chart.

[C]

So I have Kyron one spot ahead of Genti. I wonder how. What running backs do you have ahead of those two or how many. Not, not all the names, but just so are they like top 12 running back?

[B]

Tyron is still top 12 for me. Genti is 16th. One guy that I, I had a hell of a time trying to figure out what the value was on Rico Dowdle. Like I was gonna, I was gonna ask you guys about this because he's, he's coming off this big game and yes, the Panthers believe in him and had a great matchup against the Power. It wasn't a great matchup against the packers and he completely shut him down. How should people view him? Is he a top 12 running back moving forward? I think that's too rich. He's definitely a top 20 running back moving forward. I put him right around that same range as Genti. I've got him ahead of pretty much every running back that's beat up or just is, you know, clearly not as good as Dowdle could be rest of season.

[C]

Please tell me that Adam or Jamie started a stopwatch when Adam said, you have two minutes.

[A]

Oh yeah, Adam said that.

[B]

I just, he could have said anything.

[A]

I was going to yell at Dave in German, but I actually couldn't get a word in because he just went right into Genty from Kyrad Williams. We talked about Dowdle as a top 10 running back as a buy or sell on on beyond the box score on Monday and I think we, we went through the guys like who here are the top 12 running backs per game right now. Christian McCaffrey, Jonathan Taylor, Bijan Jacobs, Achan James Cook, Javante Williams, Bucky Irving. Obviously not that many games.

[B]

Stop right there.

[A]

I'd rather Jameer Gibbs, Kyron Williams, Deandre Swift, Saquon Barkley. You could put Dowdle ahead of some of them, but I don't think he's top 10. I don't think he's top 12. He's probably more like 15th. Still haven't gotten to Derrick Henry on this list. Still haven't gotten to Ashton Genti, but I I think I would go Kyron Dowdle Genti rest of season.

[B]

That's the Dowdle and Genti are tied on the trade char, but that's basically how I have it.

[A]

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[A]

Good Luck Thursday Night Football it is Las Vegas at Denver.

[B]

Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

[D]

All right.

[A]

Okay, I need to make a correction. Something I said incorrectly earlier this week. I said Courtland Sutton did not catch his touchdown on Derek's Stingley. He in fact did catch his touchdown on Derek. Stingley was his only catch of the game.

[D]

All right.

[A]

With that said, Jamie Layout. Las Vegas at Denver. Easy calls, tough calls. What do you think?

[D]

Fun fact. Bo Nix's first ever 20 point fantasy game came against the Las Vegas Raiders last season. He had 27 points against them. He's been 23 or more points in each of the two games against them that he's faced. And I'll keep saying it. 12. His last 12 home games, he's averaging over 28 fantasy points per game in Denver. So last two games we saw him was 75 points against the Giants and Cowboys. So at home he's great. He's got top five upside. Courtland Sutton gets freed of that defense that he faced last week. He's back to a must start wide receiver. I think even if Marvin Mims plays Troy Franklin with his targets, I think it's now 28 in his last three games. Easily worth starting as a number three receiver. You know, could, could clearly be a number two receiver if you want to, you know, take the matchup and, and what he's capable of doing. So love the setup for him. Evan Ingram I think just is is what he is, number three, a number two tight end but just too many good options at the position to even say he's worth considering as a mustard guy. But the matchup I don't think is something that you fear. And then in the case of the, the running backs, I think you're starting J.K. dobbins this week. He should get back on track. And RJ Harvey, just based on how he's being used and, and hopefully continues to be, can be in the flex conversation especially with four teams on a buyer. You want me to do the Raiders too or.

[A]

No, let's do the Broncos here. Bonix or Baker Mayfield against New England? Bonix or Caleb Williams against the Giants?

[D]

Phoenix.

[C]

I have Bonix one spot ahead of Caleb Williams. I've got Caleb higher both top 10.

[A]

You know, how about just those two games, right? You got Tampa Bay, New England, Chicago and the Giants. Where's Bo? Nick's rank in those five quarterbacks. That would be Dart, Caleb, Baker and.

[D]

May you make case that Nick's is better than all of them. I have Dart at the start of the Week this week. So I have him one spot ahead of Bonix. So dart next. Caleb Baker for me.

[C]

You forgot May.

[A]

I said May. Sorry, but I said it quickly.

[C]

Dart May. Nicks, Caleb Baker, Dart Williams, May.

[B]

And then for now, I have Baker ahead of Bow next.

[A]

All right, but we like Bony. I mean, like all these guys, right? These are all top 12 good quarterbacks start this week. Okay, Sutton. It has been a bit of a disappointing season for him. Jamie, you said let's go back to him. Top 24 guy this week, guys. Cortland Sutton. Yes, top 12. Okay. Would you start Sutton or give you a running back? Sutton or quinch on Judkins at the Jets?

[D]

I love Judkins this week, so I'd go. If Juggins was 100 healthy, he was gonna be my star of the week.

[A]

How about Breeze Hall? Tough matchup.

[D]

I start Sutton, overhaul.

[B]

I wouldn't. I'd go Bruce.

[A]

All right, you know what? Like, he's top 12. Just. Just start Cortland Sutton. Get him in your lineup. Troy Franklin or Wandale Robinson. The ultimate flex.

[D]

I like Robinson better, but I like both.

[C]

One deal.

[B]

Wondale. Especially if catches count.

[A]

Okay, so far, the Raiders, they give up the fifth most fantasy points to wide receivers. 11 wide receivers have scored 11.4 or more PPR fantasy points against the Raiders.

[C]

Yeah, I think one of the most insane stats is that Troy Franklin has a higher target share than Cortland Sutton this year. Yeah, that's just absurd.

[A]

He gets a lot of targets near the end zone too. But he also has one of the lowest yards per target among all wide receivers with 30 or more targets. He has been wildly inefficient among 70 wide receivers with 30 or more targets. Franklin's 51st in yards per out run. He's 62nd in yards per target. He's been pretty bad with his targets. And okay, how about the running backs? How about dob? I know Harvey. Harvey's got a touchdown catch in three straight games. I will tell you. Maybe a trend to. To watch. He had a season high route participation rate, much higher than anything we've seen. And he ran a lot more routes on first and second down, whereas J.K. dobbins only ran four routes on first and second down. So I don't know.

[B]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. J.K. dobbins runs routes on first and second down.

[A]

He might run like 12 or something a game. He only ran four last week.

[B]

Doesn't he have like 13 targets on the year?

[A]

I don't know if he has that many. He has 10 catches. So yeah, but this was a good usage for Harvey last week. I don't know if that was maybe the two minute drill at the end of the regulation, whatever, but something keep an eye on. But anyway, Dobbins, he's been rough lately. Three of his last four games, nine or fewer PPR fantasy points. Dave, do you like him? The Raiders actually have a decent run defense.

[B]

They have a decent run defense, but they see a ton of runs. Partially it wasn't the case last week, but before last week it was more because their offense stunk and teams could just let the air out of the ball and run on them. Jacksonville still ran the ball a lot. They cracked them in the second half in a big way. ETN second half was really, really good. I'm okay with Dobbins. I probably have him ranked too high at this point in the week and I'll move them down but still going to make the top 24. And Harvey's a decent like I'm gonna call him a desperation running back in lineup decisions, but you could turn to him and hope that he can get you north of eight PPR points.

[A]

Okay, so J.K. dobbins or Wandell Robinson?

[B]

I kind of feel like Wondale is the answer. In full PPR.

[D]

PPR, Dobbins and nine and a half.

[C]

I've got Dobbins at 13.6. They are like almost literally tied in my full PPR projections.

[A]

How about Dobbins or DJ Moore against the Giants?

[C]

Dobbins.

[D]

Dobbins.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Probably Dobbins.

[D]

Unless. Are we. Are we counting on DJ Moore being a quarterback again?

[A]

Dobbins are Jameson Williams at Washington Dubs.

[C]

Oh yeah, Dobbins.

[B]

I. I agree. It's. It's just that his floor is so gross.

[A]

All right, Jameson Williams. No, I get it.

[B]

Like if you're gonna take the safe play, you'll take. What'll it be? Like 8 or 9 points in PPR and non PPR from JK Dobbins.

[A]

Jay Heath, give me the your thoughts on the Raiders in a tough matchup.

[C]

I'm. Genti's a low end, RB2. Bowers is my number one tight end. Trey Tucker is a, I think low end wide receiver, three or high end. Like he really fits well in that Boomer bust flex range. I'd feel a lot better about him there.

[A]

Okay, would you start Tucker or Franklin?

[C]

I have Franklin just ahead.

[D]

I have Franklin pretty far ahead.

[B]

I have Franklin pretty far ahead as well.

[A]

Okay, would you start Dobbins or. Or Genti Dobbs?

[D]

That's a Great question. I think Genti has more upside. Especially you know, we, we, we saw this when Bowers was out. He had spike in the passing game. Maybe that happens now with Myers now gone too. And he did catch the ball, what five catches last week?

[B]

Yeah, he had a spike last week and Bowers was back.

[C]

He did have a five catch game earlier this year and I think I had one catch in the next game.

[A]

It's so important for him. It really. He's just. As Dave mentioned, he's not running the ball efficiently.

[C]

Not just for him, for them. Like they need, they need to throw him the ball. They need to find ways to get him in space. I've seen a lot of stuff about how like Ashton Genti is a bust and he's clearly not good. Everything I've watched, Ashton Genti's awesome. Yeah, it's a terrible situation. But I don't have any doubts about him in Dynasty.

[A]

All right, I got some questions here. First of all, a German guy says Olympic Stadium is not fully closed. The spectators are covered, but the field does not.

[C]

Thank you. I will lower Daniel Jones.

[A]

Dobbins or Kamani Vidal?

[B]

That's a great question. I have Dobbins a little bit higher.

[A]

Vidal gets Pittsburgh.

[C]

Frank, I start both running backs over Vidal.

[A]

Okay. Genti and Dice Franklin or Keenan Allen? Half ppr.

[D]

It's close. I probably still go Keenan just because of how bad the Steeler secondary is, but agreed. Wouldn't surprise me if Franklin's better.

[A]

Yeah, Keenan Franklin or DJ Moore?

[D]

Franklin.

[A]

I've got DJ Moore, Franklin and Dobbins or Benson rest of season.

[D]

If we knew Benson was back, I might go Benson just because of the upside. But at this point, until. If you can wait till today to find out, then see.

[C]

Yeah, as soon as Benson's back, I'll.

[A]

Take Benson, start the Broncos dst, please. And that's going to do it for Thursday Night Football. Okay, let's bring on a buddy. Let's bring out Jacob Gibbs. What's going on? Jacob, welcome to the show.

[E]

Hey, thanks for having me.

[A]

Yes, I wanted to get Jacob on because he's got all this great information and it can't just be for the. Beyond the box score. Die Hards. Okay, like we deserve it too. Before we do that, there's something that we are long overdue for. Dave, I understand you wanted to hop off.

[B]

When did I.

[D]

No, no.

[C]

No interest in talking to Jacob. Also Jacob will be on FFT Dynasty in about two hours.

[E]

That's right.

[A]

Excellent.

[E]

Busy day.

[A]

We. We are due some, some FFT Open updates. Oh, so, yeah, that sounds great. Yeah. So I'm going to pull up all of our divisions, including the Jacob Gibbs divisions.

[D]

Division.

[E]

I've got Brock Bowers, baby.

[A]

Oh, excellent, excellent. I am struggling at 4 and 5, but no, I think I have a good team. I just, you know, we'll be okay, Dave. Let's see. This is the Heath division. Olava they name. Oh, 7 and 2 Heath. Good for you.

[C]

That's. That's why I was so enthusiastic. It's one of the four leagues. I'm having a good year.

[A]

You are tied with Aaron Smith in first place. Jamie or Dave division here. Dave is in third place at six and three. Very good. First place. There is Ben Young and he's seven and two.

[B]

He sucks.

[A]

Jacob is six and three. You guys are doing great. You're in fourth place.

[E]

But with Bowers and Irving.

[A]

Oh, very nice. Jamie Sanders is in first place in your division. In Jamie's division, Jamie is five and four. He is in fourth place. First place there is Alex R. And Eric Bronson. They are the Inglorious Staffords.

[B]

Great shot at all of us making the playoffs in each of our FFT Open divisions.

[C]

Could you refresh us? Oh, did you say where you're doing, Adam?

[A]

I'm four and five. I actually, I really like my team pretty good. I think I have a chance to make a little bit of a run. It would help if Hampton would come back, but that's not gonna happen.

[C]

This kind of reminds me of our podcast podcast league standings where I think Jamie is 8 and 1 and Dave and I are both 7 and 2. Or Dave's 8 and 1 and Jamie and I are both 7 and 2.

[A]

You guys are crushing it. And honestly, yeah.

[B]

Just don't bring up the FFT league that we're in or the Guillotine league that we're in or the Dynasty league that we're in. Please.

[A]

I have an incredible team in the podcast league, but we got super injured and I'm not taking any responsibility for my 4 and 5 record. And I will make the playoffs and I'm going. I'm going to go on.

[C]

Could you refresh everyone's memory? Because I know there's a lot of FFT Open playoff teams that are listening right now. How that works.

[A]

Yes. So the playoffs in the FFT Open, the. The top four teams in each division make it. The number one seed has a first round buy the two, three and four basically play each other and the highest scorer there will get the first. The number one seed. The next week, that is week 14 for the first round. And then week 15 is the second round of the playoffs in the individual leagues. We'll then have 24, you know, division winners. They will all compete in week 16. I believe we're taking the top eight. Maybe the top 12. I have to look at the rules. Top eight or 12 highest scorers, they will advance to week 17 and the highest scorer there wins the FFT Open. Now, Jacob has been sitting there patiently and Jacob, I brought you on for some. For some good advanced metrics. So let's talk what is on your mind?

[E]

First, I wanted to say that rico Daddle, running back 12 is where I've got him. We're going to get some rest of season stuff, but didn't want to lead with that. I didn't know if Dave was able to stay or not. And he seemed to be curious about where Rico landed. I think. I think that's about right. Okay, so yeah, I wanted to give you some accuracy stats. This is charted by the fantasy points data team. And I think this stuff is really cool and some of it might surprise you and some of it is pertinent to the trade deadline news that we just got. So I'm going to throw this up on the screen. What I'm going to show you here is it's a lot to chew on. It's quarterback comparisons for the past four games for each of these quarterbacks. Not necessarily the past month, but the past four games for each of these quarterbacks. The top eight represented here are the actual top eight. And you'll see Caleb Williams and Bryce Young at the bottom as well. Just because I made this graphic for beyond the box score and Dan and I talk about those quarterbacks all the time. But you might notice. So I've got. These are catchable targets. Is the far left column there catchable air yards, the average depth of target on catchable targets, the number of catchable deep targets per game and the number of catchable end zone targets per game is what's up on the screen here. You might notice Trevor Lawrence's catchable air yards per game number is higher than any quarterback in the NFL over the past month.

[A]

Can I read the list just for the listeners out there?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. So the. The most. So this is basically the most accurate quarterbacks over the last four games.

[E]

Something like that. I'm going to give you that actual list. This is more so like that rubbed me the wrong way because it's not like if you throw way more passes then your number is going to be higher. That doesn't necessarily mean the most accurate. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Herbert Lawrence, Flacco, Stafford May, Daniel Jones, Darnold Hertz. Yes. Lawrence being number two on this list and yeah, what were you saying? The most accurate. The most. Go ahead, go ahead. What were you saying about. Lawrence is important.

[E]

The most catchable air yards per game over the past four games belongs to Trevor Lawrence. If you have a game where you produce 200 or more catchable air yards, that's a really good offensive environment. And so maybe you get there like Drake May through incredible accuracy or someone like Lawrence or maybe Flacco a little bit. It's like tons and tons of attempts. Either way, it's really, really good for the receivers. You'll see Flacco's catchable targets per game number is 34, which is way higher than any other quarterback in this range. And again, this is only for the past four games. So I'll leave that up there and you guys can look at it and I'm going to give you some more specific stuff. So I've got here Highly accurate throw rate on throws of 10 or more air yards over the course of the full season. They also chart catchable targets. This is highly accurate throws and I just, I just love this list because it points towards Sam Darnold and how good he's been. If you notice on this chart, Sam Darnold's average depth of target is 9.6 yards. He's producing three catchable deep targets per game. He's really unlocking all areas of the field. And over the course of the whole year he has a 61% highly accurate throw rate on throws of 10 or more air yards. That's the highest in the league. Lamar Jackson is the only quarterback who's even close and his sample size is much smaller because he missed time. Lamar's rate is 58%. The third highest rate over the course of the full season is Joe Flacco at 52% tied with Justin Herbert. And then Drake May is the only other quarterback above 50%. Highly accurate throw rate on throws that travel 10 or more yards in the air past the line of scrimmage. So just wanted to highlight those guys. Of course with the Rashid Shahid trade, I think that's really relevant that Darnold has been so good. But then also I think the Trevor Lawrence stuff is really, really interesting and could be a pretty good environment for Jacoby Myers, Parker, Washington, whoever you're interested in there. I mean, he hasn't Been perfect. Of course Trevor Lawrence frustrates us, but like there have been a lot of yards left on the field by the receivers dropping the ball this year.

[A]

Yes. Yeah, I wish I saw guys more shootouts potentially for Sam Darnold or more just cake matchups. I mean we know he's playing at an incredible level, but he doesn't have. I mean he's got the Rams twice, he's got the Colts. But there's Tennessee, Atlanta, Minnesota, Carolina in week 17, Arizona. I don't know that these are teams that are going to stress Seattle's defense to the point where he's going to have to throw 30 times.

[C]

You know, just those four touchdowns in the first half. It doesn't matter.

[D]

Yeah, I would say just the, the, the benefit to that is they can't run the ball right now.

[A]

I don't know that they can't run the ball, but I, I agree. But like Washington last week, Washington's maybe the worst past defense in football and they, and they lost three defensive backs last week. Now May is another guy. May does have Cincinnati. He has the Giants who score some points. He has Buffalo, he has Baltimore, he's got Tampa Bay this week. May has been a really low volume guy. I mean two games of more than 30 pass attempts, the only two losses of the year for them. So that's a guy that he might start throwing more. That could benefit Diggs and these and these other. Henry even, you know.

[B]

Sure. And there's no question about the state of their running game compared to even Seattle.

[E]

They've got some potential shootouts down the stretch too.

[D]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

I think this, this point is really interesting from Andy in the chat is this Darnold stuff is why I love Walker in the second half of the season. And I do wonder if defenses, the way that the, the Clint Kubiak structures offense like the run threat is always present and that's defenses have kind of oriented around that. But like if Darnold keeps just absolutely torching people down the field, I wonder if defenses are going to be forced to adjust because Jackson's been the Jigba is like on offensive player of the year track right now and if we might see better running game unlocked in the second half.

[B]

It's interesting. So what, what would that mean? It would be more like too high defenses against Seattle, hearing them to run.

[E]

Yeah, I think so. Like Rich is like really keying on Jason. We've seen it start to happen already and it's like doesn't matter. Still he. I've got Something worried about.

[C]

Yeah, well, it's like what the Bills did to the Chiefs last week, and the Chiefs just.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Refused to run.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

But I don't think the Seahawks will refuse to run if teams go that extreme in their past coverage.

[A]

On the subject of JSN Jacob, I mean, is there any thought to selling JSN high in fantasy? Because he is averaging 4.7 yards per out run. And I looked over the previous 10 years, just through week nine, the highest yards per out run, and it was tyree kill in 2023 at 3.96. So JSN is having. He's on pace for over 2,000 yards. He's on pace to set the receiving record. What he's doing is. Is insane. And his target share is what, like 38% or something like that? So. Yeah, I mean, does anybody. He's being so incredible, but he only has four touchdowns. That's. That's one thing that could help. But does anybody. Dave, Jamie Heath, before James Jacob gets into the JSN stuff and he thought to. Maybe he'll be more like wide receiver 8 or something like that. Rest season instead of, you know, the most incredible player in the world.

[D]

I mean, if you can get two stars for him, then you should be exploring it.

[A]

Yeah, I don't want to make the case. I'm just. I'm just asking.

[E]

This is the first time I've heard anyone even bold enough to suggest it.

[B]

Yeah, sure. I mean, anybody will make any trade, they'll trade away their best player. If you're going to get an offer good enough.

[D]

You just, you just asked us about your friend trying to get Jamar Chase. Like, if you're able to get three potential top 15 caliber players. I don't know if those. I remember all the names, but, like, if you're able to get three potential top 15 caliber players, for one. Yes, you should be looking to do that.

[C]

What if somebody offered you Brock Bowers, A.J. brown and Rico Duddle?

[A]

Yeah, I would do that.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Would you? Who wouldn't do that? That's.

[B]

That's a. Yeah, that's too much that. I think that gets you over the top. How do you. I don't know how you turn that down.

[D]

I mean, you know, if you're. If your starting lineup is insane and you don't need.

[B]

You're never doing it right.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Don't do it.

[A]

What if that tight end were Trey McBride instead? Because I feel like people, people right now feel like Brock Bowers could be, you know, a top five fantasy.

[D]

I Mean, pride with Brissette is pretty good, maybe, but.

[A]

Okay, Jacob, go ahead. What were you gonna say?

[E]

I. I just. I think unless I really need a tight end, I don't think I would do that. I think you would have a really, really hard time, Brian Jason, for me, okay.

[B]

Yeah, that's. To me, if you've got JSN, but you're 5 and 4 and you've got holes in your lineup, that's. That's an overpay you can accept. Do you care about the numbers for Walker and Charbonnet this year overall versus seven or fewer in the box? Just to put a pin on the Darnold talk and how defenses might adjust?

[E]

Sure, you've got him. You saying I got it?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So on the year, Walker's averaging four and a half yards per rush, which is surprising to say the least. When there's seven or fewer in the box, it's 4.4 yards per rush. So no real change there. On the year, Charbonnet is averaging 2.9 yards per rush. His rushing average goes up to 4.1 when he sees seven or fewer in the box. So he might be the one that actually ends up benefiting more. When if teams say, all right, we've got to defend against the pass way more than the run, we've got to be more worried about Sam Darnold's arm and JSN and Rashid Sheed and Tori Horton, then we have to worry about Seattle's run game. So it would obviously benefit both, but the. The rushing average would definitely go up for Charbonnet.

[D]

His yards per carry just so hard to, you know, say it's a problem because he's getting such short area touches.

[B]

That's why it's 2.9.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Right.

[A]

All right, so we got about three, four minutes left. Jacob, take it away. What do you want to tell us?

[E]

Just a quick representation of where we're at with Jason. Adam brought up that, like, there's never been anybody like this, really. Here's all wide receiver data that we. During the time we've had per route data through nine weeks of their season. And he's up in the far right, like, even above the Tyree Kill seasons, Pukinakua, anything like that. So you've seen these charts for this year, of course, and he's up in the far right. But just to compare him to history, it's like, I don't want to really put any sort of, like, ceiling, any artificial ceiling on what it could be or that it has to regress. Or anything. It probably does, you know, but also like when we're seeing something completely new, I, I would run want to just like hold it and see what it could be, honestly. Because what if the touchdowns start to come? Sure, he said. And he's just like locked in even with defenses knowing it's coming. 120 yards every single game lately. He's so good. All right, a few more stats. Rashid Shahid Rashid Shahid is also really good. Not, you know, maybe this good, but really good. He's averaged 1.92 PPR points per target since entering the NFL as an undrafted free agent in 2022. That ranks just below during this time, just below Mike Evans, Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. And the targets were much higher with Clint Kubiak in New Orleans when Click Kubiak was calling plays in New Orleans last year. That's who's the offensive coordinator for the Seattle Seahawks now, where he just arrived. So last year he had a 24 target per route run rate with Glenn Kubiak 24.3%. Chris Alave's target per hour run rate was lower than that 23.7. This is really unusual. This is the only time during these two careers that that's been the case that Shahid has been above Alave. For comparison, this year Shahid has a 22 rate. Alavi's is at 26 and a half percent. So that's that stood out. And then if you look when Derek Carr was healthy in this offense last year with Kubiak, it was 120 route sample size. So not insignificant. Shahid had a 28 target per hour run rate with 2.82 yards per out run. Those are both like truly elite numbers. So I'm really excited to see what it might look like as he transitions to Seattle with the same play caller. They already have a guy they really like and Tory Horton who's been playing really well and still they were aggressive and going to get you heat. And I think that's really interesting and we started this off with Sam Darn on how well he's playing. So very high ceiling I think for Shahid here to come in and start making some big plays right away. That's all I had in the advanced stat. I was going to, I was going to give you the Harvey one but, but Adam covered that. Of course. That's a, that's an interesting stat to me for sure. Do you want to just real quick run through some rest of season stuff?

[A]

Kind of out of time. So I'm just gonna I'm gonna throw one player at you guys, and I want to know what you think. James Cook, he. Well, I'll let you choose. James Cooker. Dalton Kincaid. Who should we talk about?

[B]

We know what James Cooking, Cade.

[A]

All right, so the yards per out run thing for Jackson, Smith and Jigba. Best, you know, ever. Basically. No one's come close in the last 10 years through. Through the first nine weeks of the season. Dalton Kincaid is kind of similar. He's at 3 yards per out run, and over the previous 10 seasons, only one tight end through week nine. And why am I doing three week nine? Because smaller sample size can give you bigger, you know, numbers, right? More efficient numbers. Rob Gronkowski is the only guy who's averaged more yards per out run through the first nine weeks of the season in the last decade than Dalton Kincaid. Gronk is, you know, he's amazing. Obviously, Kincaid is the number seven tight end per game, but I just want to point out how great of a year he's having. He's only on pace for 80 targets, though. But he has a 24.1% target per out run rate, which is much better than like what Tucker Kraft was getting. Much better than. I forget the other guy that was kind of like Tucker Kraft, but, oh, Tyler Warren hasn't been even close to 24.1 in like five of his last six games. So go ahead, Heath, but I'm just saying, Dalton Kincaid, first round pick, right? Like, really talented player. He was hurt, had two knee injuries last year. This guy is playing out of his mind. The 80 targets is. Is rough. That's his pace, but he's. He's playing out of his mind right now.

[C]

I, I think all that. My. My only pushback, and he is playing awesome. 100.

[D]

You.

[C]

You can't compare the target per route run rate for a guy like Tyler. Tyler Warren, who's run 84 of the routes for the Colts to Kincaid, who I think played 34 of the snaps last week against the Chiefs. Like, it's amazing that he's continued that he's had this type of success and he's been awesome when he's been on the field. But the one thing that hasn't changed is that he's still not like, he ran 53 of the bills around on 53 of their drop backs last year.

[A]

Last week.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, last week. And it's 50 for the year.

[A]

57.8 for him because he missed the game. So that was probably right. 57.8 Route Participation Rate for him this Year. That's true. He doesn't.

[C]

I wish they'd play him every play.

[B]

He's been their zone defense beater. His. His numbers are pretty good. Man. Zone. It really hasn't mattered. But higher catch rate, slightly higher target per route run rate. Way more yards after catch per reception when he's taken on zone coverage. And it makes sense. You just think about how he attacks the middle of the field. He works inside the numbers. There's space, and he can catch it.

[C]

And make a play to your two tight end points. Earlier in the show, Michael Mayer had a 72% route share last week.

[D]

Wow.

[C]

Dalton Kincaid's with 53, right?

[A]

Yeah. But Galton Kincaid is right now the most efficient tight end in football. That's my point.

[D]

Right.

[A]

He's. You know, he's kind of fulfilling his profits.

[C]

I know Jacob's a Dalton Kincaid guy, and I'm not trying to put down Dalton Kincaid.

[D]

But is.

[C]

Isn't it often true that it's easier to be more efficient on a per route basis when you run half of the routes?

[E]

Yeah. And when he's in there, it's for the purpose of running routes and getting targets.

[A]

Yeah, I get it. All right. All right. Okay. Get it. Terrible stat. Terrible way to end the show.

[C]

It was a great stat.

[E]

It's really interesting.

[C]

I was just trying to put it in context.

[A]

No, it's. I appreciate that.

[D]

That.

[A]

That's good. Like, I can't fully buy into Dalton Kincaid because again, he's on pace for 80 targets. He hasn't had more than six in a game.

[B]

You need more. No one's sitting him in fantasy unless they've got, like, a superstar tight end sitting it.

[A]

But do you trade them or do you just buy into them and just.

[B]

You're not going to get a ton for him and trade. You might as well ride it out and enjoy the points that he's been getting you, which has been great.

[A]

All right.

[E]

Kincaid or coast in Loveland rest of season.

[C]

I was gonna ask you that.

[B]

It's Kincaid.

[C]

I was going to ask you that.

[E]

I think it's K2. I brought up to Dan yesterday, like, if you had Loveland and he goes off again this week against the Giants, would you then try to, like, trade him for Kincaid? You know, like, I think basically anybody who has Kincaid would do that if Loveland has another good game. But I think Kate probably outscores him.

[C]

Jacob and I will be talking About Colson Loveland vs Dalton Kincaid in Dynasty in about an hour and 45 minutes. Come check us out.

[A]

Cool. Good promo. All right, thanks for watching and listening, everybody. Hit that like button on the way out. Thanks to Jacob for hopping on and we'll talk to you tomorrow with the AFC home games on Tennessee football.

[B]

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