Trade Talk, Buy High Guys, PHI-NYG Preview and Fantasy Feud! (10/08 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

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Episode: Trade Talk, Buy High Guys, PHI-NYG Preview and Fantasy Feud!
Date: October 8, 2025
Hosts/Analysts: Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, Heath Cummings

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Episode Overview

In this packed episode, the FFT crew dives into advanced trade strategy for fantasy football midseason: identifying not just the usual buy lows and sell highs, but also “buy highs”—players whose hot starts are worth betting on. The analysts discuss waiver trends, dissect the shifting running back landscape, give actionable names for trade targets, preview Thursday’s Eagles-Giants game, and finish strong with a hilarious round of Fantasy Feud.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Waivers and FAB Trends (03:11–06:14)

• Kymani Vidal and Haskins Waiver Dynamics:
  Vidal was aggressively targeted in CBS leagues compared to Haskins.
  • Adam: “I got Vidal for $12 out of a $100 budget... Haskins was four or five bucks less than that.” (05:30)
  • Analyst leagues outside CBS prioritized Haskins higher.
• Waiver Strategy Tip:
  • Heath: “Go through your normal waivers, then change the setting from next week's projections to rest of season projections. There will be guys on bye who get dropped... you can pick them up for upside.” (03:48)
• On Analyst vs. Public Leagues:
  • Jamie: “All my non-CBS leagues are all analyst leagues, so we might be one of the few higher on Vidal.” (04:48)

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2. NFL News & Notes (06:22–11:00)

• Bengals Trade for Joe Flacco:
  • Adam: “Bengals acquired Joe Flacco... But the Bengals O-line is 30th in pressure rate allowed. Only the Jets and Eagles are worse.” (06:22)
  • Heath: “It’s more theoretical than actual. Flacco gives you more hope than Jake Browning, especially for T. Higgins.” (07:15)
• Joe Mixon Outlook:
  • Jamie: “If we see Joe Mixon at all this season, that’s a bonus. Can’t expect much for fantasy.” (09:15)
• Other News:
  • Jalen Warren (Steelers) trending positive, but status pending.
  • Marvin Harrison Jr. underutilized, per Arizona OC.
  • Saquon Barkley expected to play; Giants’ Slayton likely out.

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3. Buy Low – Targeted Trade Strategies (11:00–20:51)

Jamey's Buy Lows

• Omarion Hampton (injured RB)
  • Jamie: “If you can get a difference maker for late in the season or in fantasy playoffs, go for it—help the other team now, stash a superstar for later.” (11:20)
• Tee Higgins:
  • Jamie: “Every Higgins manager hates him right now... but with Flacco—who throws downfield—there’s hope. If you can get him cheap, why not?” (12:40)

Heath's Buy Lows

• Tetaroa McMillan:
  • Heath: “Most targets without a TD—43. He’s one explosion away from being viewed as a top-15 WR rest of season.” (16:04)
• Nico Collins:
  • Adam: “I traded McCaffrey for Kyren Williams and Nico. I’m hoping Collins is a top-12 WR rest of season.” (17:50)
  • Dave: “I don’t think anyone with Collins will let you buy low, they likely view him as top-10.” (20:12)

Dave's Buy Lows

• Derrick Henry:
  • Dave: “This is the lowest you’ve ever been able to get Henry in trade. If you value him as top-15 RB, make the move.” (23:36)
• Trayvon Henderson:
  • Dave: “Antonio Gibson’s out, so the workload splits. Henderson comes cheap, NE's run schedule projects as 2nd best rest of season.” (23:36)

DeAndre Swift (Possible Buy Low)

• Adam: “He hasn’t run well, but has a great role and favorable schedule in the next month. If you’re active, try to rent him then move on.” (27:01)

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4. Sell High Candidates (27:38–43:12)

Dave's Sell Highs

• Deebo Samuel & George Pickens:
  • Dave: “When McLaurin/Lamb return, their volume goes down. Great time to trade for need or to panicked managers.” (28:05)
  • Jamie: “Both could still have sustained value because of their offenses, but you’re getting peak value now if you sell.” (29:57)

Heath's Sell High

• Jake Ferguson (TE):
  • Heath: “His target share will get nuked when Lamb returns. Sell high if you can pivot to an elite like Bowers, or get another starter.” (32:09)

Jamie's Sell Highs

• Jaylen Waddle:
  • Jamie: “If Tua goes down or if his volume drops, you want to have maximized his value now.” (38:43)
• Stefon Diggs:
  • Jamie: “Still returning from ACL. Trade him for an A.J. Brown or T. Higgins if you can—maximize now while he’s hot.” (41:19)

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5. “Buy High” Targets – Betting on the Real Deal? (57:54–63:02)

• Quinshon Judkins:
  • Adam: “24 or 25 touches in back-to-back games. Worth buying high.” (59:04)
• Dak Prescott:
  • Adam: “Tough schedule, but if you need a starter more than a true star QB, trade down.” (59:49)
• Travis Etienne:
  • Heath: “Analyst leagues—maybe not, but top-20 rest of season feels right; top-12 would be too steep.” (60:07)

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6. Eagles vs. Giants Thursday Night Preview (46:05–56:12)

• Philly Offense Outlook:
  • Heath: “Hurts is not a top-five QB; still a starter. Barkley = must-start RB only concern is health. A.J. Brown = low-end WR2.” (47:26)
  • Adam: “Giants allow big plays galore. Surprising all of you have A.J. Brown as a WR2, not elite.” (48:17)
• RB & WR Start Decisions:
  • Barkley over Henry/Carter; A.J. Brown over Carter.
  • Most would start Devonta Smith as a borderline WR2/3.
• Tight Ends:
  • Jamie: “Goddard over Theo Johnson.” (52:52)
• Giants RBs:
  • Cam Scadaboo’s startability depends on Tyrone Tracy’s health; could be mid/lower RB2. (54:44)

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7. Notable Quotes & Insightful Moments

• “Every Higgins manager hates him right now... but if you can get T. Higgins cheap, why not try just to see what he still has to offer?” – Jamie, (12:40)
• “If you’re really thin at RB and don’t want to deal with Chargers off the wire, this is the lowest you’ll get Derrick Henry.” – Dave, (23:36)
• “His (Ferguson’s) target share is going to be nuked when CeeDee Lamb returns. …I’d expect 10–12 PPG after, so try to pivot.” – Heath, (36:02)
• “I would trade Diggs in a heartbeat for A.J. Brown. I would trade him for Higgins at this point.” – Jamie, (41:19)
• “If Lamb comes back, Ferguson’s 27% target share has to go down more sharply than Pickens’ 21%.” – Heath, (32:25)

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8. Fantasy Feud – Memorable Game Show (63:02–72:14)

• Heath dominated the game show with deep-cut answers (“Trey Tucker” and “Tyquan Thornton” named as WRs with highest FP/target).
• The crew joked about game show etiquette, rules, and celebrated Heath’s trivia triumph.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Waiver/FAB Talk: (03:11–06:14)
• News & Notes: (06:22–11:00)
• Buy Low Candidates: (11:00–20:51)
• More Buy Lows (Collins, Henderson): (16:04–20:51)
• Sell Highs: (27:38–43:12)
• “Buy High” Targets: (57:54–63:02)
• Eagles-Giants Preview: (46:05–56:12)
• Fantasy Feud: (63:02–72:14)

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Tone & Vibe

• Energetic, riff-heavy and friendly: The crew frequently roasts each other, debates player value intensely, and shifts quickly between serious advice and high-level banter.
• Highly actionable: Throughout, they keep the focus on what matters for fantasy managers now—trades, waivers, and exploiting the market.
• Stat-driven, nuanced: Heavy use of stats (pressure rate, red zone targets, snap share, routes run) to support opinions. Multiple caveats about role, schedules, and risk.

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Summary

This episode is essential for fantasy managers seeking to make bold, high-value trades and maximize the rest of their season. The FFT crew covers trade theory (including rarely discussed “buy high” guys), navigates positional landmines caused by injuries, and breaks down team and player trends with actionable clarity. The show closes on a competitive, hilarious high note with Fantasy Feud—showcasing their encyclopedic football knowledge and camaraderie. Anyone who listens will come away ready to attack trades, set lineups decisively, and hopefully, win their league.

Transcript

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[Heath]

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[Jamie]

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[Heath]

No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league.

[Adam]

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[Heath]

This is going to go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Adam]

All right everybody, welcome to Fantasy Football Today presented by BetMGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas. Stay tuned because at the end of the show, Fantasy feud for the first time this year. You guys excited?

[Jamie]

Dan?

[Adam]

I am also excited. I, I cannot wait. We've got buy lows, sell highs. But you know what we don't usually do? We don't usually do buy highs. How about the guys who are just off to great starts? Are we buying them or do we have actually a sell high window on them? Guys like Romo Dunze or Rico Dowdle or Quinshon Judkins. Where are we on those guys? But also trade targets. Who to get while the value is low and who to sell while the value is high. Everybody good? How we, how are we feeling here? You guys get, get your Kamani Vidals.

[Dave]

I wound up getting Vidal in a bunch of leagues for like 3% and 2% of fab.

[Adam]

Nice.

[Dave]

So like word got out about Naheem Hines, Nahim Miller Hines signing with the Chargers, like that's their big ad and he might be there more for special teams than anything else. I don't know how good he is. He hasn't carried the ball in an NFL game since 2022. But I, I feel, I feel the fantasy world's uncertainty with the Chargers backfield and I totally get it. I probably am not going to start Vidal against Miami, but we can see what happens and see how the Chargers running backs are used.

[Heath]

I It's the same thing as last week. Is every site that I go to to look for Vidal Haskins higher in the projections? So ask and last last week we saw D. Mercado, I think was added in more CBS leagues way more than than Michael Carter was because people just go to the projections and they add the top guy at the list. That's why it's also a really good idea with the buys going on. Like go through your normal waivers process and then change the setting from next week's projections to rest of season projections because there will be guys on by who have been dropped because somebody can't use them. And you can pick them up now if you have room to hold them and have better players rest of season.

[Jamie]

In all of my CBS leagues, which I think were about 10 that one run waivers on Tuesday night, Vidal went first or went for more fabric than Haskins. In all of my non CBS leagues Haskins went first and went for more. Fab.

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No kidding.

[Adam]

Well if you are.

[Jamie]

And all my non CBS leagues are all analyst leagues so I think we might be one of the few places that are higher on Vidal than Haskins.

[Adam]

Interesting. So I looked at the fft open leagues. Not all of them, but most of them. And just to give you a general sense, if you still have fab that's running tonight, now, these leagues, I'm a little more aggressive in fab in these leagues. I don't know if other people are, but we, we have a shortened season, so you don't need it as long the fab. So I, I'm a little, you know, I, I got, I got Haskins. I, I got Vidal. I got Vidal for $12, $100 original budget. I got him for 12. Nobody in my league claimed Haskins, but I'll just tell you the dollar amounts out of an original $100 budget that Kymani Vidal went for in like a bunch of FFT open leagues. 24, 20, 20, 24, 14, 12, 16, 22, 19, 23. And Haskins was kind of in the. In usually about four or five bucks less than that. All right, that's enough.

[Jamie]

On that topic, our podcast league. What do you want for.

[Adam]

Oh, he went for something like 30 something in our league.

[Jamie]

46 in our podcast league. And the next highest bid was 17.

[Adam]

That's a 14 team league. So there's desperation there.

[Jamie]

I got Vidal in one league from a fab standpoint and I did the number on purpose just to see if I would get him. I did. I got Vidal in our baked burger league for $38 out of how much? I had 85 remaining, but you know, I did $38.

[Dave]

Oh, the Schaefer.

[Jamie]

Because the Schaefer. Wentz, I want to see which 38 will be worth more.

[Adam]

All right, we've got some news and notes for you. The Bengals acquired Joe flacco and a 6th round pick from Cleveland for a 5th round pick. Cleveland 27th in pressure rate allowed. So Flacco is not very mobile and was behind a line that wasn't really protecting him. But guess what? The Bengals are 30th, only the Jets. And shockingly, the Eagles are worse in pressure rate allowed per drop back than Cincinnati.

[Jamie]

Eagles offensive line has not been as good as normal.

[Adam]

Watch out injuries. Here come the Giants. Bengals have at Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Jets, Chicago and then about. Anyway, how big of a boost, Heath? How big? How big of a boost? I was joking, by the way. How big of a boost for chasing Higgins for you, Heath.

[Dave]

Clip that one. Azerbai.

[Heath]

Oh, here come the gym.

[Adam]

I was joking, I swear.

[Heath]

Oh, I love it. You know, I think it's more of a theoretical boost. I'm not sure what Joe Flacco has been for the Browns so far this year gives them any boost at all. But Joe Flacco in 2023 and 2024 is more encouraging than Jake Browning in 2023. And Joe Flacco has been an NFL quarterback for shoot a decade and a half now. So there's. There's more hope. And I think the biggest movers, probably Higgins. We never really moved Chase out of must start territory. Higgins for me was like not even thinking about it. Starting him with Jake Browning.

[Jamie]

The.

[Heath]

The target share was disgusting. The efficiency was disgusting. Now there's hope that T. Higgins can be a starter.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Heath]

And.

[Adam]

Yeah, I guess we'll get into that. I think we have Higgins in our buy low, sell high segment as well, if you're drafting today. Well, first, again, I said this yesterday and I'll say it again. They haven't said that Joe Flacco is their starter yet. Right. We're waiting to see it. Maybe he won't start this week and then we'll start after that.

[Heath]

I mean, it would be the greatest story ever, right?

[Jamie]

Oh, wait, hold on. This just came through from Captain Obvious. Joe Flacco is the starter this week. I hate to tell you, I don't.

[Adam]

Think it's so obvious this week to get traded on a Tuesday and start on a Sunday. But, you know, just, just throwing it out there. It hasn't been announced yet. Captain. I haven't seen the tweet from Captain Obvious, but I'll take a look. The Chargers signed Naim Hines to their practice squad, so we. That hasn't really moved the needle for us. Jalen Warren trending in the right direction. Joe Mixon is apparently making progress. They haven't committed to him coming back. It still seems like it's a long way off, if it happens at all. But he's.

[Jamie]

I thought the stereo said weeks.

[Adam]

Yeah, but I think they said they'd update it. They'd have an update soon. But what do you make of. What do you make of the Mix and news?

[Jamie]

I. I mean, if we see Joe Mixon at all this season, that's a somewhat of a bonus if he's on your IR spot right now. Like, you can't expect him to help you as a fantasy manager.

[Dave]

Yeah, we don't know if he'll even be any good. What kind of condition is he going to be in?

[Adam]

Well, we just don't know if he's even going to play this year still.

[Dave]

Right, Right. Think of all the hurdles that are in front of Joe Mixon right now. I don't mind stashing him in an IR spot.

[Adam]

Yeah, Brenton Strange is on ir. Arizona offensive coordinator Drew Petzing said he could have gotten Marvin Harrison Jr. The ball more in week five and every other week.

[Jamie]

Maybe Baltimore substitute week five for forever.

[Adam]

Exactly. Baltimore signed C.J. gardner Johnson and traded for Aloha Gilman. That's two safeties that the Ravens acquired here and they traded away an edge rusher Odafe owe to to the Chargers. But obviously Baltimore needs help in the secondary. They've got the Rams. I'm sure you guys like Matthew Stafford quite a bit this week. Eagles guard Landon Dickerson could miss one to two games there. Got the Giants on Thursday. Here come the Giants and Saquon Barkley was limited, but he's expected to play Tyrone Tracy training in the right direction. You got two questionable players for the Giants. You got right tackle Jermaine Illuminor, who's had a very good year for them, and wide receiver Darius Slayton. According to espn, Luminor has a better chance of playing than Slayton. The Lions got good news. Looked like their cornerback Terry and Arnold was going to be out maybe for the season, but he got better news than expected and he will not miss the season. And Tennessee tight end Gunner Helm could see more targets going forward. And the Titans waived wide receiver trailing Burke's former first round pick, Colson Loveland.

[Dave]

No, he didn't practice yesterday.

[Jamie]

Yeah, coming off their by, he did not practice.

[Adam]

Oh, that's not good.

[Jamie]

No.

[Adam]

Okay, thank you for that. So buy low, sell high. Jamie, why don't we start? You've got Omarion Hampton, you know, makes sense. I mentioned it yesterday. I saw some people in my league trading for Hampton, trading for Trey Benson, you know, so I'll let you talk about that.

[Jamie]

But.

[Adam]

And then T. Higgins is your. Is your buy low. Talk about Hampton and Higgins.

[Jamie]

Well, I think anytime you have an injured player, especially for a team that may be sub.500 or you know, struggling with their roster, I know there's one league I have where the Hampton manager is trying to make a bunch of trades because they also have Lamar Jackson hurt and I think Brenton Strange was their tight end. So, you know, this is your opportunity to hopefully get a difference maker at the end of the season or four weeks from now, you know, when he's, I hope, eligible to come back. We haven't heard really the severity of the injury. The fact that he was placed on IR right away is not the best situation. But maybe just to protect him from, you know, re injuring himself. In any event, if you can get a player like this, it's the same thing with the injured guys. We've been saying this in this segment for several weeks now. You know, go trade for Mike Evans, go trade for Rashi Rice because the suspension when he's coming back, you know, any team that's struggling, that has these players on their bench, that, especially in the, you know, not, not the case of Hampton because you could stash them on IR if you're, if they're taking up a roster spot for somebody like that's even worse, you know, so try and help them. Give them players that are, you know, doing something now. Help yourself out that you can, you know, have a potential superstar down the stretch. In the case of T. Higgins, every T. Higgins manager hates him right now and is frustrated with him right now, understandably so. It's been awful. You got lucky with the touchdown last week. There is a semblance of hope. As he said it. It's, it's probably a theoretical boost for these guys, more so than an actual boost for these guys. But if there's one thing that we know Joe Flacco will do, he will throw the ball down the field and hopefully with more success than what we saw from Jake Browning. So if you can get T. Higgins cheap, why not try to do it just to see what he still has to offer? So I would say like of the struggling guys that have been bad at the top of the draft in, in the case of Brian Thomas Jr. And lad McConkey and, and T. Higgins, there's now something different for T. Higgins. And so if you can get a few weeks of peak T. Higgins from Joe Flacco, which I don't think is out of their own possibility, and then he gets you to the end of the season in your fantasy playoffs and Joe Burrow returns, you may have made a season altering trade for probably next to nothing. So it's worth exploring to see if the T. Higgins manager would be willing to do so.

[Adam]

Okay, I'm just gonna go. I'm gonna look at the most traded list. I can't imagine you'd give up.

[Jamie]

I'm gonna.

[Adam]

Just tell me who you would think of giving up for T. Higgins. I'm sure most of them are going to be no's at the top. Well, not, not necessarily, but A.J. brown.

[Jamie]

No, no.

[Adam]

Brian Thomas Jr. For T. Higgins.

[Jamie]

I would do that. Yes.

[Adam]

Wow.

[Heath]

I'd rather have Thomas. There were a little, little glimpses of hope last week.

[Adam]

I'll take Thomas J.K. dobbins for Higgins.

[Dave]

Rather have the running back.

[Jamie]

That would be more of need. I probably would lean in a vacuum. And what was the phrase you once made famous?

[Dave]

In a blanket?

[Jamie]

A blanket. I'd rather have Dobbins in a blanket.

[Adam]

I mean, to me they're not even close.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Adam]

Dobbins is giving me 15 fantasy points every single week. And Higgins is giving me six. Basically. Unless he catches a lucky touchdown. I. I can't even imagine trading Dobbins for Higgins. But I mean, I do see how Dobbins could be a sell high. Cause he gets one catch a week and he scores a touchdown to buoy him every week. But.

[Jamie]

And he gets hurt every year.

[Adam]

And he gets hurt every year. But I. But I don't know. I mean, it's just their production. Their production has been so. So different that I can't even imagine doing that. But you said it's, you know, close. Okay, is anybody feeling my vibe there? I. I guess I just don't. I don't know. I'm nervous about Higgins still.

[Heath]

No, I'd want another running back with. With Higgins for Dolphins. So a lower end running back maybe that. Maybe you could get Travion and Higgin Higgins for that.

[Dave]

Now we're talking.

[Adam]

Oh, yeah. Trivia. I can't wait to get Trayvon Henderson. I love the guy who's getting six touches, but. All right, we'll talk about him soon. I do have to tell you though. No, no, I mean, I understand. Look, he's. He's Dave's by one of Dave's by lows. I was just having fun with it. But it's time for football at BetMGM. Register with BET MGM to get instant access to the best variety of parlay selection features. No sweat. And boost tokens, live betting options, and much more. New players can receive up to 1500 dollars back in bonus bets with the bonus code Fantasy. If they don't win their first bet. You don't want to miss out on any of the hard hitting action at BetMGM. Place your moneyline parlay bets and more today. BetMGM, make it legendary. And the bonus code is Fantasy. Okay, Heath, you got Tetaroa McMillan. He has the most targets among wide receivers and probably among any position without a touchdown. 43 targets, no touchdowns for McMillan and Nico Collins as a buy low. So Teteroa McMillan and Nico Collins.

[Heath]

Yeah, I think this is the McMillan one's. Probably an obvious one. And if you're in one of our analyst leagues, you're probably not going to have a lot of luck buying low on him because as Adams made the good point, we're Viewing Ted Roll McMillan as much better than what he's produced so far. But we also know that in a lot of regular people fantasy leagues, if you're not scoring touchdowns and you're not producing like more than a wide receiver 3 you are available for purchase and I do expect listen, last week was supposed to get be the get right game but now he gets the Cowboys and he's just one explosion away from everybody viewing him as a top 15 wide receiver rest of the season. See if you can go get Tedro McMillan for even low end wide receiver 2 price which is better than what he's been so far this year.

[Dave]

Multiple red zone targets in a game. It's that's part of the problem with him. He only has five red zone targets on the year. He had two last week. They need to get him more involved so he gets those opportunities to score and we can break this spell that he's under where he gets a lot of targets and then he doesn't get any touchdowns.

[Heath]

I'd like to know how many red zone passes Bryce Young has thrown this year.

[Dave]

Give me a minute.

[Heath]

But yeah, and then Nico Collins. Adam, you did a brilliant job of trading for Nico Collins last night. I was going to make you an offer for Christian McCaffre. It wasn't going to be as good of that as that one he's going on to his buy. So if you've got a team that's already feeling pretty good about your chances and you can afford to go without a wide receiver or you're just deep at wide receiver, you can afford to go without a wide receiver. He's not been anywhere close to as good as he can be. And I would expect in the second half of the season the Texans offense is a little bit better. Nico is a lot better and produces like a top 12 wide receiver.

[Adam]

Dave, I got 30 red zone targets for Carolina, only five of them going to Tettero McMillan. Very spread out. Six for Renfro, five for Leguette, five for Sanders, five for McMillan, three for Hubbard, three for Tremble. So he's not a big factor there. He does get most of their deep ball targets. If Bryce Young's looking for an explosive play, it's almost always McMillan. Now Nico, I traded, I traded Christian McCaffrey and Christian Kirk for Kyron Williams and Nico Collins yesterday. I'm hoping this works out. I mean honestly, McCaffrey's been I think almost 10 fantasy points better than than Kyron Williams in full PPR. But Heath, you brought up a couple weeks ago, McCaffrey, if Kittle and Piersall and Jennings forget about Iuk, I mean that could be a long way but he could be back eventually if they're all finally on the field. Maybe he's not going to get eight targets a game or whatever. He's getting so. And he's running the ball so poorly. Not that.

[Heath]

Yeah, it's not just that. Like I think he has like a 33% target share. Yeah, he's certainly not going to get that if Kittle and the wide receivers are back. But Nico awful.

[Adam]

I'm a little worried about Nico. I mean not that he's not a buy low but Jacob pointed this out on me on the box score. Over the last two weeks, CJ Stroud has been getting the ball out of his hand faster than any quarterback in football other than Mac Jones and Aaron Rodgers who have only played one game. In that two game stretch I think they've adjusted their offense but because their line is so bad that they can't sit there in the pocket and throw. Cause last year he was the sixth slowest getting the ball out of his hands. CJ Stroud last two weeks, third fastest. It's only two weeks but if they just have this kind of quick short area passing aim, I, I mean I guess I'm thinking that Nico's probably not going to live up to the hype, but it could still be better than what he's been.

[Dave]

He has six targets and five targets in those last two games. His adot is about the same as it's been. His adot's been like double digits over the last three games so that's not affected but certainly the volume has.

[Adam]

All right, Dave Travion, I'm sorry just to wrap it up, I don't want to get the last word there. Heath, do you have that concern that Nico like what do you think he'll be kind of second round good, first round good going forward?

[Heath]

I think second round good with my expectation and maybe instead of early second round, it's late second round. But I, I think if they get better at getting the ball out quicker, that may affect some of the ways defenses are covering them which could open up some opportunities for an eco down the field.

[Jamie]

I don't think he's a new Tyree kill.

[Dave]

I don't think anyone that has Nico Collins is going to view him that way. I think they all still view him as a top 10 type of fantasy receiver. And so you're not gonna. I think you're a really hard time acquiring him that low in trade.

[Adam]

I kind of just did that.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Dave]

It was a great trade for you, but I. I just don't think we should repay for McCaffrey more than anything else.

[Heath]

We. I. I don't think I understand, Dave. I think you're right that none of us are going to view Nico Collins that way. But a lot of people five weeks into the season, a guy just is what he's produced.

[Adam]

All right, let's take a break and get Dave's by lows. When we come back, I have to.

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[Dave]

And now's the time to start going after some running back by lows because of all the injuries that we have at that position. So I thought I'd go after two that I think you can get at a discount, certainly compared to draft day and certainly after maybe the first five weeks of the season where they're at. It's, it's a little jarring. Henry's kind of an easy case. What we're seeing now from the Ravens offense isn't really the Ravens offense. I don't think he necessarily looks bad. I think he looks the same as he did last year. Tons of short runs. Last week he was bottled up at the line. It was against Houston. I don't think the line was particularly good for Baltimore, but the efficiency will go back up once Lamar's back. The defense will get healthy eventually for Baltimore and the Ravens will go back to being the Ravens. That's the hope. You're also able. And this is for sure. I don't think anybody that drafted Derrick Henry thinks of him as a top 10 type running back moving forward and they shouldn't. But that's the type of player that you can get at a discount. This is the lowest you've ever been able to get Derrick Henry in trade and if you're evaluating him as like a top 15 running back, I think you'll get him. And that's somebody that if you're really thin at the running back position, you don't want to deal with Chargers running backs off the waiver wire. You don't want to, you know, cut deals for even cheaper guys. That's one to get. And with Henderson, Patriots lost a running back Antonio Gibson done for the year. That three way backfield split should go to two running backs now and Ramadre's got a a lock on goal line work it seems like as long as he doesn't fumble again or like six more times. But I think eventually Travion Henderson will get into the mix and his price is super cheap compared to especially where we were drafting him, but also where his ADP was. It would be much lower than that if we were redrafting for the rest of the season and I still believe in the talent there and the opportunities should get larger. I also have the Patriots running back rest of season schedule projected as second best. So it's a really good schedule for the Patriots moving forward. That's good for Stevenson if you want to try and get him on the cheapy cheap. But it's Henderson who I think is the one that you should go after.

[Heath]

Is it too risky to just say I'm going to wait one more week to buy low on Derek Henry after another bad game against the Rams and then he's going into his buy and his manager is just in complete panic?

[Dave]

No, that's. That's just as good, if not better.

[Adam]

Yeah, if he has a good game, then you're in trouble. But I see the logic there and I think if you're someone who picked up Michael Carter and don't need Michael Carter, that's the, that's the kind of guy you would trade for Travion Henderson, right?

[Jamie]

Sure. Right. Of course.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And it could work for the other manager.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Adam]

You give someone someone they might be able to use now and you just take this high upside stash. I wanted to bring up one guy and get your thoughts as a potential buy low. DeAndre Swift, he's averaging 3.2 or 3.3 yards per carry, so that's concerning because his yards per carry was bad last year too, but his role is really good. He's had a pretty tough schedule. DeAndre Swift, they've only had two carries inside the five yard line all year. He has both of them. Swift has three or four catches in every game, so that's good. But he's got Washington this week. They're really good against the run. Then after that, New Orleans, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Giants. So good. It does get, it does get tougher after that, I have to say. Like his, his second half schedule might be hard, but he's got a month maybe where DeAndre Swift has a very good schedule. I love the role. I just don't really like what he's doing out there. But I don't know. What do you think? Should we be looking to buy low on Swift?

[Heath]

How active are you in your league? Because I would Love to buy low on DeAndre Swift. If I felt like a month from now I could sell high on him. I hate the end of season schedule for the Bears offense and for DeAndre Swift, but the next five weeks I do think he will be better than what he has been. His expected fantasy points, his role imply more fantasy points than he has scored. So yeah, if you, if you got an active league and you like making trades and you think I can trade for DeAndre Swift right now and five weeks from now I can make another move and get rid of DeAndre Swift. And I like that a lot.

[Adam]

All right, let's go to our cell highs. Dave, you have a couple of wide receivers who have have number one. Well, potentially number one for Debo. Wide receivers coming back and we don't know when but but hopefully soon for McLaurin and Lamb. So you have Debo Samuel and George Pickens. By the way, before I forget, Darius Slayton not expected to play. We're going to preview that game later. Na na na na. But Dave, you have Debo Samuel and George Pickens.

[Dave]

As you're so high it's exactly what you laid out. It's really as simple as that. When McLaurin comes back, I expect the target volume to go down for Debo Samuel. Not to a point where he's going to suck but where he's not going to be as good as he's been and the same thing for George Pickens. So these are going to be great number two receivers on their own teams. They'll still be like borderline number two wide receivers for fantasy.

[Jamie]

Them.

[Dave]

Now from a desperate manager that needs wide receiver help. The guys that have been struggling through with think of the names that we've already talked about. T. Higgins, Brian Thomas Jr. The list goes on. They could use receivers like this and they might buy into them. Based on what they've done so far, I think we've seen the best certainly from Debo and we'll still see some good games from Pickens because the Cowboys are going to throw a ton. But I bet they'll.

[Adam]

He'll.

[Dave]

I bet he'll be more inconsistent once CD Lambs comes back and we saw that in the first two games of the year. He had one great game and he had one terrible game. So if you can get something for these guys, it just makes sense to move them while you can or the number ones on their team come back.

[Adam]

You got to get a lot though.

[Dave]

You can't give them away, but you're not trading one of them Straight up for Travion Henderson. But if you can trade one of them straight up for Derrick Henry, I, I think you. I think I'd do that. Especially if it's half or. Non.

[Adam]

Heath.

[Heath]

Non. Yes. And I'd probably be more willing to sell Pickens than I would Debo, but I had, I think I had Debo ahead of Pickens. So I think it's probably just depends on who you liked before the number one wasn't there.

[Adam]

I.

[Heath]

Man, I think the, the Pickens Lamb target share going back is much more certain than the McLaren Debo target share going back.

[Dave]

Interesting.

[Jamie]

So I think both these guys are still heavily involved even when the guys return because the Cowboys throw the ball so much.

[Dave]

Agree.

[Jamie]

And you know, you just saw Flournoy have a big game like there. There's a lot of room to eat in this offense, even for with Jake Ferguson too. Like they're going to be in a lot of shootouts and it's, it's not going to be the same heights. So Dave's right. Like you're getting peak value for these guys if you could do it. But I think in the case of like Debo, for example, he may be the, the number one right now. Like, you know, McLaren's never had to deal with a player like this and, and Cliff Kingsbury is probably having a lot of fun with a player like this. You know, he only runs three routes, you know, so it's, it's, it's.

[Adam]

It.

[Jamie]

He's doing very well in, in that regard. But I think in the case of, of both of these guys, you could see still sustained value because of the type of players that they are and, and the offenses that they're in. I made a trade. You know, it was somewhat out of desperation. I got lucky to beat Heath without. I, I didn't. This is how bad it is. I have to fix some of my notifications. I didn't even realize I made the trade. So I made, I made a trade in our draftathon league. I traded CD Lamb for Debo Samuel and Quentin Johnston and I didn't start Debo. So like that. That is embarrassing. And. But I was 1 in 1 3, 1 4. What was last week? 1 3. No, 1 4. Excuse me, no 1 in 3. And lost Tyree Kill and. And didn't have CD Lamp. So I was, you know, desperate for receiver help and so traded Lamb for, for those receivers.

[Adam]

Yeah, well, so I'm doing a poll right now on Twitter. I have a feeling I know how it's going to end. But if both are healthy, who is the better commander's wide receiver rest of season? And right now only 31 votes, but 2/3 of them go to Debo. I think people are going to go with Debo. That doesn't mean he's not a so high, but yeah. So Debo had a 26% target share with Terry McLaurin on the field. It's 31% with him off the field, but yeah, he's doing well and hopefully they both can be good. I think you said they'd be number two wide receivers when their guys are.

[Dave]

Back on their own teams and low end number two receivers in fantasy. Debo more than Pickens.

[Adam]

All right, he says Jake Ferguson, kind of on the same subject here is a sell high. I believe he leads the position in targets. It's either him or McBride. And then there's a Mecha Buka.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Heath]

Might as well sell the number one tight end in fantasy and the number three wide receiver in fantasy. Like for Ferguson, I, I think his target share is going to be more impacted by them because they work more in the same part of the field. The first two weeks of the season, Ferguson had a 21 target share, Pickens had a 15 target share. And the general expectation from everybody was that's going to be closer the rest of the way. For like, if we thought George Pickens was going to have a 15 target share when CD Lamb gets back, we wouldn't be saying buy low on him. We'd just be saying you can plan on sitting, leaving on somebody else's team. And right now, since Lamb's been out, it's a 27 target share for Ferguson, which is insane for a tight end, and a 21 target share for Pickens. So I think when Lamb comes back, you see that 27 for Ferguson move a larger share than you do the 21 for Pickens. I think Ferguson's probably in that tight end 8 to 10 range when Lamb's back and right now he's just destroying the position. And more importantly, maybe you decide which of those two, Pickens or Ferguson, do you think is the sell high? Because they can't both be anywhere close to what they are right now in CD Lambsback.

[Jamie]

But I guess the question would be, is like for Ferguson, which tight end are you pivoting to? So like, if, if, if you think like you can get by with the streaming options and turn Ferguson into Bowers, with the idea of Bowers being Bowers, like that's a great trade, right?

[Heath]

I think that's the ideal trade.

[Jamie]

So like that's the type of. And maybe even McBride, the McBride manager might be frustrated and says okay, let's do something and Ferguson for McBride and something else. You know, again to sort of get the, the, the immediate upgrade of what Ferguson has been. But like you got to have a pretty good tight end backup option. You got to have pretty good plan B because I think even if he does take the expected hit, which clearly is going to be a hit like he's still probably middle of the pack at worst in the offense that he.

[Dave]

Plays in Jason Taylor, Darren Waller.

[Heath]

So here's the thing.

[Dave]

Plan B's.

[Heath]

It's one of.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's one.

[Heath]

Yeah, it's one of two things. It's. I'm trying to do. I think the Bowers thing makes the most sense because if you have Jake Ferguson you ought to have a very, very good record and a lot of teams with Brock Bowers. I can speak from experience. Do not. And so that's like the perfect trade because the Bowers manager doesn't know when he's getting him back and must win now. And Ferguson's the number one tight end this week. If you don't do that, then you're trying to get a really good player at another position and just settle for having a borderline top 12 tight end.

[Dave]

Do you believe we're going to get 20, 24 Brock Bowers at any point this year?

[Heath]

I would think after the buy at worst.

[Jamie]

Well, if, if, if you're hoping for close to that because I don't know if he's even going to get to that. I mean again there's a offense change, there's quarterback change, a lot of things happen differently. But let's just say he's close to that. You're. You're hoping that Ferguson gets significantly worse than that.

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[Dave]

And I, that I have a hard time buying into this is. I think Ferguson. I don't, I don't think he's gonna.

[Jamie]

I guess, I guess he's. The question would be is are you expecting Ferguson to go to sub 10 points?

[Heath]

I would not say sub 10 points. I would expect Ferguson 12.

[Jamie]

Yes. So between 10 and 12 points per game.

[Heath]

Yes.

[Jamie]

So that's, that's a huge drop off. So then you're obviously trying to get rid of him.

[Heath]

And I think if he's not and see and maybe the whole key to this is CD Lamb could come back. Like we're asking is Brock Bowers going to be himself at any point this year? Is CD Lamb we're all kind of assuming CD Lamb is going to be himself. If CD Lamb's himself and Jake Ferguson scoring more than 12 fantasy points per game, I, I would be selling very.

[Jamie]

Quickly on George and I'll just give you not, not a Ferguson trade scenario, but like in our podcast league. So I'll just, you know, full disclosure. In our podcast league, I have the team I share with, with Todd Roans. I, we have Tucker Kraft and Mason Taylor, and we lost Malik Neighbors, so we need receiver help. And I went and looked and I'm like, there's not a team in that league that I think would give me what I'm looking for for Mason Taylor right now.

[Adam]

Since I said to you on Sunday, I think, or I don't remember what it was, I was like, I need a wide receiver 3 so much more than I need a tight end right now. In my leagues, a tight end is there's enough of them that you just feel comfortable starting.

[Jamie]

And I, I, I said this to Todd yesterday. I said, you know, we should try and shot Mason Taylor. And he's like, oh, do you, like, what are we, what are we getting in return from at this point? Like, his, his, the name that he throws. Like, are we getting like a Jacoby Myers type of receiver? I said, for what our team needs, Jacoby Myers would make some sense for, for Mason Taylor, but I think in the case of the Myers manager, like, that's hard to give up right now, even though he's struggling.

[Adam]

Okay. The thing about Mason Taylor just, and the jets in general is they just played the Dolphins and the Cowboys, I think.

[Jamie]

So I'll change the name. Forget about, I don't want to make Tucker Kraft. I, I don't even know if we could trade Tucker Craft for what we're, what we're looking for and just stick with Taylor.

[Adam]

Yeah. All right, moving on. By the way, I, I just think that the cat. I think we have to acknowledge the Cowboys are probably the best fantasy team for, you know, offense. For fantasy team. Right. I mean, they have a pretty tough schedule going forward, but they look like Green Bay was going to be a tough matchup and DAK Prescott scored 30 something fantasy points. So they had a huge game without CD. Without CD Lamb. They're just, they're just, to my surprise, the best fantasy offense. So if you're selling high on these guys, it's gotta be, it's gotta be very high. You know, it's not just. They're gonna stink. Okay, Jamie, two sell highs, please.

[Jamie]

I don't Remember who I told you.

[Adam]

I think you had Jalen Waddle on there.

[Jamie]

Oh yes.

[Adam]

And you had Stefan Diggs.

[Jamie]

In the case of Waddle, look, he's in a great spot right now. Clearly coming off the game that he just had with Tyree Kill being out for the season. I think he's going to be fantastic. But there's the what if Tua goes down question. What if he gets hurt question. Is this sustainable for him? This is just trying to maximize a guy that you drafted with a mid round pick probably as a borderline number two, maybe a number three receiver. And if you could turn that into somebody who's struggling, that may give you some long term appeal. It's just worth exploring. Like what?

[Adam]

Like would you Trade waddle for A.J. brown?

[Jamie]

I would, yes.

[Dave]

Yeah, I think I might rather have Waddle.

[Adam]

I wouldn't trade him for Brian Thomas.

[Dave]

Jr. That I would not.

[Jamie]

I wouldn't trade him for T. Higgins either.

[Adam]

Would you rather have Waddle or a Buka?

[Dave]

A Buka.

[Adam]

I don't know about that.

[Dave]

I do. I think he's legit at this point.

[Heath]

You should be able to get Waddle. Plus, like I realized I didn't even talk about Abuka but like this is a shoot, shoot for the moon scenario. I do not believe he's going to be a top 12 fantasy wide receiver in the second half of the season when Mike Evans and Chris Godwin are both there. And so I wouldn't. Right.

[Jamie]

I won't.

[Heath]

I wouldn't sell for less than a number one wide receiver or a wide receiver 13 and another starter or something like that. But he's Currently wide receiver 3 in total fantasy points.

[Adam]

Yeah, Abuka's doing a lot of his damage on deep balls. He has the second. If we, if we define deep ball as 20 or more air yards. He has the second most deep ball targets behind Taekwond Thornton. He has the most yards and most touchdowns on these targets. That's a mecha Buka. But the encouraging thing is Abuka also has six targets and at or behind the line of Scrimmage, which ranks 10th among wide receivers, same as Justin Jefferson, one more than Amon Ross St. Brown. So they're giving him those easy fantasy points and also he's. But I just think it's what's nerve wracking is that he seems to make his hay once or twice a game. These like deep post routes in the end zone that you know that you just wonder if he can keep that up. But man, he is so damn good. Waddle versus learning the position.

[Jamie]

I think in the case of a book and Waddle, you're not giving these guys away for nothing. You know, you're giving these guys away for superstars.

[Adam]

Yeah. All right. And then Diggs, Diggs, he is third in yards per out run behind Jackson, Smith and Jigba and Pukinakua. He doesn't run that many routes yet. Why are we selling digs?

[Jamie]

Again, just a guy that you're maximizing what his value is right now. You know, Dave said running back is banged up. I mean, receivers been the worst position in terms of injuries and, you know, guys struggling at the top. Again, can you turn a player that you drafted later than a guy like Waddle who was sitting on your bench? In, in most cases, I mean, I don't think his start percentage the last time I looked Yesterday was above 60. You know, so you can hopefully turn like I would, I would trade Diggs in a heartbeat for A.J. brown. I would trade Diggs for T. Higgins at this point, you know, so I, I think there's, there's some sustainable value here. But we're also talking about a guy still coming back from an ACL tear. While he looks great now there, there's still the what if scenario. So maximize the potential while you can.

[Dave]

Here's the question I have on Diggs. Did he have. His last two games were really good. Did he have those games because one was a matchup against his former team and he wanted revenge and the other one was fairly easy matchup got lined up against the Panthers second best corner and just shredded him all game long. And now that he's had those two big games, does he fall back in or is this. What is he. Is he evolving into what we were hoping he would be? Which is the number one receiver for Drake May, the guy that May leans on all the time and basically becomes what he was to Josh Allen when Allen was coming up in Buffalo and needed a big time number one receiver. If you think he's going to end up being the number one guy and that this is who he is now, eight plus targets per game potential for 100 yards against anybody, then you're, you're not trading them because you won't accept anything that you'll think is fair in exchange, you're sky high on him. But if you think this is kind of flukish and what you've seen over the last couple of weeks, then maybe you do move on from him and see if you can parlay him into a better wide receiver.

[Adam]

Yeah, he's playing about 42% in the slot, which is good. He needs to be in the slot, I think.

[Dave]

Is that, tell me, is that over just one week? Two weeks, three weeks? How far back does that go?

[Adam]

That's for the season, but I think that's kind of been the, the trend is, it's, it's gone right?

[Dave]

Like, I think he took over for Demario Douglas in the slot and that's helped unlock him a little bit.

[Adam]

And he's still, but he's still not running that many routes. Last week he, Diggs played about 50% of the snaps. He did have a 64% route participation rate. The week before that it was 82%. So I thought that we were finally getting to the point where Diggs was close to, you know, a full time receiver in terms of running the routes. But he, he wasn't in week five. The thing is, they have such an easy schedule. I'm going to say it right now. I will take digs over T. Higgins. Jamie, the bet is on.

[Dave]

Okay, what's the bet? Jamie will have to agree with every take you make.

[Jamie]

We'll go, we'll go double or nothing on the, the bet that you still haven't paid up on with the picture.

[Adam]

Oh, the picture. I really want to do that, actually. It's a fun one. I don't know why I haven't done that. Also, I'll be in town in January. I'll be in Florida for the Miami national championship game. So I'll just, you know, we'll, we'll go out to lunch or something when I'm there for that.

[Dave]

Oh, that, that's a great payoff for the audience.

[Adam]

All right, let's take a break. Come back. We do have to get to the buy highs, but we have to also preview Thursday Night Football, which is the game everyone's talking about. Here come the Giants after this. When did making plans get this complicated?

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[Heath]

Dicks.

[Adam]

Oh, okay. Jamie's on Higgins Island. Guess what? Philadelphia is at the New York Giants.

[Dave]

Okay, wait, you're a Titans fan now?

[Adam]

I am a Titans fan now. It's true for the Giants.

[Dave]

And you were an Eagles fan once upon a time?

[Adam]

I was. Don't bring that up.

[Heath]

Weren't you a Vikings fan?

[Adam]

I was a huge, huge Vikings fan for I had a stretch. Yep, I had a stretch. Okay, so Eagles at the Giants. The Eagles, they are one of the slowest teams in football. I do think this is really hurting them. Only Miami has has less time remaining on the play clock on average when they snap the ball and and yeah, they're not running that many plays and they're 30th in yards per game.

[Heath]

So you know what, Here come the Giants.

[Adam]

Here come the Giants. Anyway, I don't know if the rankings I know the first run of rankings are not necessarily going to be the accurate last ones but do you have Hertz and Barkley and Brown? We'll get to Smith. I guess separately a little lower than you normally would or are they the studs this week that we drafted them to be? Hertz, Barkley, Brown.

[Jamie]

I have Barkley higher just with the narrative.

[Heath]

I have Hertz. I think about where I have him last year which is someone you start but not a top five quarterback.

[Dave]

Yep.

[Heath]

And I think that the slow play taking so long to get the the things going and going slow is a product of the offensive coordinator and the like the whole everything that's going wrong right now seems to be that they just don't have a good cohesive plan on offense. But here come the Giants. So you start hurts Barkley with the the injury ding on a short week is just a little bit concerning but he's must Start. And I think A.J. brown's a low end wide receiver too.

[Adam]

That's the. I mean, I'm just waiting. He's still getting the targets. Last week he stopped running on a deep ball. Otherwise it would have had a.

[Jamie]

A big play.

[Adam]

The Giants Seems like a lot of.

[Heath]

His targets are either catching a pass within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage where he gets just destroyed before he has a chance to turn upfield, or running 40 yards downfield and hoping Jalen hurts puts it on target.

[Adam]

Well, the Giants give up big plays like it's their job. Just ask Rashid Shahid. Right. I mean, they're just really bad at this. I think only the Cowboys have given up. What's.

[Jamie]

That is their job.

[Adam]

Well, they're not good at their job, but. Well, if that is their job, they're great at it. So I, I guess I was surprised that you all, I think, have A.J. brown as a number two receiver. Right?

[Dave]

Yep. I do.

[Heath]

Like he's. I think I just moved him to 24 this morning.

[Adam]

You're not going to start Kendrick Bourne over him, are you?

[Heath]

No.

[Jamie]

No.

[Adam]

Okay. Okay. How about you're not going to start a Packers wide receiver over him? How many Chargers wide receivers would you start over A.J. brown?

[Dave]

I think just the one.

[Heath]

Which one?

[Dave]

Quentin Johnston.

[Heath]

I have Keenan Allen. I have them too.

[Dave]

You can make the case for both McConkey and Allen. You could make the case for both of them over both Eagles receivers. Because if the Chargers can't run the football against Miami, the sentence that will probably get laughed at five days from now. But if they can't, how do you replace that? Short throws, get the ball out quick, which Herbert's gonna have to do pretty much anyway. And McConkey and Allen kind of have the same role. They could end up each getting seven plus targets. I think the bigger risk, competitive game. Sorry. If it ends up being a competitive game, those guys can end up in PPR being better than both Eagles receivers. You can make that case?

[Heath]

Yes. I don't. I don't worry about the Chargers game script. I worry that the Eagles last week decided to make their wide receivers happy and lost the game. And now they're facing just a miserable Giants offense. Like the giants might score 10 points, the Eagles might throw 18 tests again.

[Dave]

Could I put on the tinfoil hat? Did Saquon get banged up in that game and that's why they got away from him running the ball? He has on the injury report with just soreness.

[Adam]

That's interesting. But he hasn't Run the ball that well.

[Dave]

No, he hasn't. And is Dickerson playing for Philly?

[Adam]

No, he's not expected to. His report was he'll be out one to two weeks.

[Dave]

Okay, so that makes the offensive line a little bit worse.

[Adam]

The giants give up 5.6 yards per carrier running back.

[Dave]

I. I get it. I get it. But if. If he's already inefficient against other defenses. Look, we're starting Saquon Barkley. It doesn't make any difference. I told you, this is the tinfoil hat.

[Adam]

No, but I think it's a good question that Heath brings up is are they just gonna be able to run the ball so much? Have one of their super.

[Dave]

Entirely possible. You know, one of the things they didn't do last week. Sorry, Adam. One of the things they didn't do last week was let Hertz run. He only had two carries for three yards.

[Adam]

Yeah, Broncos are very good at taking away mobile quarterbacks, but that was.

[Jamie]

Yeah, Justin Fields is in trouble this week.

[Adam]

That was extreme. That's the. Again I said on Sunday, the fewest amount of rushing yards in a game for Jalen Hurts since he became a starter. And for Barkley, he had six carries. I think it was the. One of the lowest totals of his career in any game. He didn't leave with an injury. So you'd think maybe they get their run game right against this Giants team. But, you know, Giants give up points to receivers, too. The Giants are equal opportunity. They'll let everybody score fantasy points on them. Would you start Michael Carter at Indianapolis or A.J. brown?

[Jamie]

Brown.

[Heath]

Brown.

[Dave]

I'd still go A.J.

[Jamie]

Brown.

[Adam]

All right, how about Michael Carter or Devonte Smith?

[Dave]

So Smith.

[Jamie]

Smith.

[Heath]

Yeah, I think it's Smith.

[Adam]

Okay, how about Derrick Henry or Devonte Smith? Henry against the Rams.

[Jamie]

I go Carter over Henry.

[Heath]

I do have Carter over. No, I've got Henry over Carter. Yeah, Yeah, I. I'd probably go Henry.

[Dave]

I have Henry over him right now. I don't know if I'm gonna keep it that way.

[Adam]

Over who? Smith or Carter?

[Dave]

Over. Smith.

[Adam]

Okay. T. Higgins at Green Bay or Devonte Smith?

[Jamie]

Devonte Smith. Yep.

[Adam]

All right, Smith. Is this like a number two receiver? Number two. Three. Something like that.

[Heath]

High and three.

[Adam]

How do we feel about Dallas Goddard versus Theo Johnson? Who's your favorite tight end?

[Jamie]

Goddard. Still.

[Heath]

I've got Theo higher.

[Dave]

I have got her higher as of now. But this is another one where you can make the case for Theo Johnson.

[Adam]

Are you ready to pick your jaw?

[Dave]

I thought Johnson.

[Adam]

I thought your audio skipped or Something that was super fast.

[Dave]

No, that was. That was all me.

[Adam]

Are you ready to.

[Dave]

I love the targets that Theo Johnson's been getting over the last couple weeks. Darius Slayton's not going to play. This Giants offense is going to stink on ice. And so Theo Johnson could end up falling into some pretty decent production.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Dave]

So I think I'm going to take Johnson over Goddard.

[Adam]

To be.

[Dave]

To be blunt.

[Adam]

Okay. I need to give this Dallas Goddard stat. It is the. You're going to. Your jaw is going to hit the floor. Dallas Goddard has three targets from the five yard line or closer this season. That's as many as he has had in his previous four seasons combined.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

Kyle Pitts or tight end in this game?

[Dave]

Pits.

[Adam]

Go ahead, Heath.

[Heath]

I just realized I. I think yesterday afternoon in the right writing and rankings day, I missed that. The. Brian Dable is optimistic that Tyrone Tracy's back.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

So him, Scatterboo is going to be about the most interesting guy.

[Adam]

Let's do it. Let's talk about Cam Scatter Boo because Tyrone Tracy. So after the Dallas game, I think people thought Scatter Boo was going to have the starting job and whatnot. Tyrone Tracy came out and actually had seven carries and two catches. Played 17% of the snaps in that game. Now he was the starter playing ahead of Scatter Boo. I would think Scatter Boo's got the job, but I don't know. I know he's got the goal line job, but. Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine anyone starting Tracy, but The Eagles actually 8th most fantasy points allowed at running backs. 4.4 yards per carry. 9th most receiving yards per game to running backs. Hasn't been that tough of a matchup. So starter sit Cam Scatter Boo.

[Heath]

Heath, if Tracy's active, then Scatterboo is going to be in that Michael Carter, Derrick Henry range. Probably just outside of the top 24 running backs.

[Adam]

Anyone else on Scatterboo?

[Dave]

He's in that range for sure. I've got him as. Oh, sorry.

[Jamie]

I'd be higher. I'd start him over Henry still. I'd start him over Carter still.

[Adam]

Okay. Would you start Cam Scatter Boo or I?

[Jamie]

I do think we see both of them on the field together with the injuries to the receiver spot.

[Adam]

Cam Scatterable or Alvin Camara against the Patriots?

[Jamie]

Scatterable. I want no part of Camara this week. Yeah.

[Heath]

I would still have Scatter Boo. I think the interesting thing will be like, I. I don't think this game script's going to line up for A running back on the Giants to have success running the football. We've seen Scatter Boo heavily involved in the passing game when they're chasing the score. Are those targets now going to Tracy?

[Adam]

Yeah, it's a great question. Last one. Scatter Boo or David Montgomery at Kansas City?

[Jamie]

If Tracy plays, I'll take Montgomery.

[Dave]

I'll take Scatterboo.

[Heath]

I'll probably be Scatterbury.

[Adam]

Over. Under.

[Jamie]

Over.

[Adam]

Under. 11 PPR fantasy points. Wanda Robinson over.

[Dave]

He can get to 12.

[Heath]

That's. That's a good number. I haven't projected for 11.08, so I guess over.

[Adam]

All right, I got some questions in the chat. Shakuri Crosby, Merit or A.J. brown?

[Jamie]

Cross camera?

[Dave]

Yes.

[Heath]

I think it's got to be Bill.

[Adam]

Hertz or Sam Darnold.

[Jamie]

Hurts.

[Dave]

Hurts.

[Heath]

Got to be hurts.

[Adam]

Darnold has the Jaguars. Goddard or Mason Taylor?

[Jamie]

Taylor.

[Heath]

Taylor.

[Adam]

Especially if it's PPR Taylor against the Broncos. Hertz or Matthew Stafford against Baltimore.

[Jamie]

Hurts.

[Heath]

Stafford.

[Dave]

I am tempted to go Stafford. I have her tire.

[Adam]

As of now, assuming Chuba Hubbard is out. Rico Dowdle against Dallas or A.J. brown.

[Jamie]

Rico.

[Dave]

Rico.

[Adam]

Jake Tongas or a tight end in this game?

[Jamie]

Tongas.

[Dave]

Tongus.

[Heath]

I think we're gonna have to watch the injury report. If one of those wide receivers is back back, then I'll take Theo. But if we're just questioning whether they're back, then I think you can wait on Tundras.

[Adam]

And last one. AJ Brown, Chris Olave or Michael Carter?

[Jamie]

Brown.

[Adam]

Two Browns and an Olave. I think I heard there.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

All right, start the Eagles DST and the Eagles dst. By the way, they have the Giants, Vikings and Giants in their next three games, so good schedule coming up for them. That is it for Thursday Night Football. Okay, we got two segments left by High and Fantasy Feud. I really want to play the Feud, so let's try to do five minutes on each segment by high. I asked on Twitter, who are you buying high on? They got off to great starts, and you're just buying it. Man vs Life says, Give me Rico. Give me Rico. Dave, Worst case, looks like he splits 50, 50 when Chuba comes back or he takes over by high on Rico.

[Dave]

So if we're buying high Enrico, does that mean that we're. We're viewing him as like a top 15 running back? Rest of season, we're gonna have one game against Miami.

[Adam]

It feels a little high.

[Dave]

Let's feel too high.

[Heath]

Do not buy high. Enrico. I do not think.

[Dave]

But I do think that, you know, he has another good game. Against Dallas, we're definitely going to have a conversation about what happens to Chuba, what happens to Rico once Chuba comes back. I don't think this is going to be a case where Chuba just gets his old workload back. I mean, he was kind of losing that workload before he got hurt. We're gonna see a split and it might be in Rico's favor, but I don't know if it's enough to make rico a top 15 running back.

[Heath]

I'm just not super excited about buying a running back who we think is going to be splitting on the Panthers.

[Dave]

Right?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Dave]

You can't. You can't give up too much to get him. Carolina does have a good schedule rest of season.

[Adam]

All right. By high from Red Eye Jedi. Bye. High on Quinshawn. Judkins is offering a Buka or Rice too. High or low for quinch on Judkins.

[Jamie]

I mean, you. You generally have to overpay for running backs that are doing well. So I would say that's a fair trade. Even though the potential or production for Rice and Abuka might be better than Judkins rest of the season, but it's harder to find workhorse running backs like what Judkins has done. So I think that's a fair trade.

[Adam]

Especially 24 or 25 touches in two straight games. So I think we would definitely sign off on buy high on Judkins. Modest make. Bye High on Dak Prescott. Yeah, I'm. I'm like all in on this, but he has a tough schedule. But I have a team that's one in four and I have Josh Allen and I'm going to try to get Dak Prescott and a starter for. For D for Josh Allen. I don't know if you guys are as enthusiastic as I am, but.

[Jamie]

No, the OR is right.

[Adam]

All right, you know what? I'll look right now, see if I can make this trade. Next up is Travis ETN from aj. He says buy high on Travis etn.

[Dave]

No, I don't like it.

[Adam]

Oh, Heath.

[Heath]

Yeah, I think, I mean, I'll buy high on Travis ETN and analyst leagues and probably not in regular people leagues because I think the majority of analysts are still have some hope that Basil Tootin's coming to be even better than Travis CTN's spectacular play so far this year. But if you're talking about buying him, we were drafting him as what, RB30ish. And we're saying we're gonna buy him as a top 20 running back. I would do that. Top 12.

[Jamie]

No, I guess the, the question would be so far in, in these discussions we have one example of what you're trading for these players. So like a Booka and Rice for Judkins makes some sense to me. What are you trading to get Travis Etienne as a buy high?

[Dave]

Would you give up George Kittle form?

[Jamie]

No.

[Dave]

Would you give up Debo or George Pickens for him?

[Adam]

Yes.

[Jamie]

That I think is into this question. Yes.

[Dave]

There you go.

[Adam]

Heath, I don't even remember offering you this trade. I offered you James Cook for Saquon Barkley and T. Higgins in the idp.

[Heath]

What league are we in?

[Adam]

Idp, huh? Yeah, go for it. I mean if you'd like to accept it. What about my Josh Allen for Quentin Johnston and Dak Prescott?

[Dave]

If you can get it, sure.

[Adam]

All right, I'll propose it, see what happens.

[Jamie]

That's not enough, Ralph.

[Heath]

I don't think.

[Jamie]

No, I think it sounds like you're.

[Heath]

Doing a lot of trading one great player for two good players.

[Jamie]

Yeah, trade was good. Your other trade was terrible.

[Adam]

No, look, I'm one in four in this league. I've got injuries, you know, I've lost players. I need bodies. I need people. I. I can't just rely on. On one guy to help me. I think that's kind of.

[Jamie]

It seems like you just targeted one team though.

[Adam]

What's that?

[Jamie]

It seems like you just targeted one team as your Josh Allen trade. Oh yeah.

[Adam]

I mean that's the first trade I've made. First trade offer I've made. But Dax league is this idp?

[Jamie]

Yeah. I can't help you. My team stinks.

[Adam]

This was my favorite team. This was my neighbor's Brian Thomas team.

[Jamie]

And it's I'm this somehow when he was hurt. Justin Fields was available in that league, which saved me because I lost Lamar Jackson.

[Adam]

Oh wow. Yogi Danza says bye high on Tyler Warren. And I would just say yeah, Tyler Warren. Sixteen targets in his first two games, 15 targets in his last three games. So five per game. And they don't throw much. They throw about 30 times a game. So are we buying high on Tyler Warren?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Warren or Ferguson? Rest of season?

[Dave]

Ferguson.

[Jamie]

Ferguson.

[Dave]

Tough.

[Heath]

Yeah. I'm not sure.

[Adam]

Yeah, tough call there.

[Jamie]

I'd have this. Yeah.

[Heath]

It was nice to see Warren score a touchdown in the back to back games. Well, yes, a receiving touchdown.

[Adam]

Romo Dunes A Bye high on Romo Dunes A. This is a guy who's had 70 yards once. He's had 60 yards in three of four games but has been five touchdowns in four games. So this one, I question here, should we buy high on Romeo Dunes or should we actually sell high on Romo Dunes?

[Jamie]

I prefer.

[Dave]

Yeah, I think he's worth it, too.

[Adam]

Just basically buying it.

[Dave]

Just don't overpay.

[Heath]

Bears offense coming out of the buy is going to be one of the most interesting things to watch. Just in terms of, like, are they going to try to get DJ Moore actually involved or is it Luther Burden time?

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Dave]

Might just be time for Morrow Dunes.

[Adam]

It might be time for the Feud. All right, there we go. Here we go. Round one. Give me Jamie. Give me Heath. Top five answers are on the board. You have to buzz in by saying your name. And in this opening part, it's whoever can get the number one answer or the highest answer. Okay, top five answers are on the board. I did remove two players because I don't think you'd ever guess them.

[Dave]

Oh, my God. Your A's are stating the.

[Heath]

Dude, if we guess the players, we would never guess. Do we get a miss or do we just get to guess again in, like, a gold star?

[Adam]

I already.

[Heath]

If I guess somebody that you took out of the equation.

[Adam]

Oh, you don't get it. You don't get an X. You can just keep going.

[Jamie]

Yeah, okay.

[Adam]

All right, fine. I was. I was gonna say who I removed, but I. I won't say.

[Dave]

Well, why don't you get.

[Jamie]

You can't do that.

[Dave]

Yeah, well, he could because he's gonna say what the category is.

[Heath]

It's just.

[Adam]

I just. I don't think anyone would have gotten them. They're pretty random, but. Top five wide receivers fantasy points per target.

[Jamie]

Kevante Turpin.

[Dave]

No, that's not your name, sir.

[Adam]

Five top five wide receivers fantasy points per towel.

[Heath]

Heath Roman Dunes.

[Adam]

Looking for my wrong buzzer. Jamie.

[Jamie]

I didn't hear the question was. I was just going to say some random names. I was thinking, was it Again, it's.

[Adam]

Top five answers are on the board. Wide receivers fantasy points per target. He is number three, and the board is yours. Pass or pass or play.

[Jamie]

It's always more fun to pass. I'll pass.

[Heath]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Heath]

Terrible, terrible game. Okay, so I'm up.

[Jamie]

You're up.

[Heath]

Can I get a Trey Tucker?

[Adam]

Oh, that was one of the names I removed.

[Jamie]

Good job.

[Adam]

What? I was like, they're never gonna get Trey Tucker.

[Heath]

What?

[Jamie]

Way to go.

[Adam]

All right.

[Jamie]

You don't get it.

[Dave]

I think he wins. I think feud is over.

[Jamie]

I'm disgusting. You don't get it.

[Adam]

Yeah, what's the big deal? It's five. Five like Jamie left, come back, maybe.

[Jamie]

Quit on the feud.

[Adam]

All right, sorry, Go ahead.

[Heath]

Kidding me.

[Adam]

Would have been on there, but okay, so I would have done the top seven. It would have been even harder.

[Heath]

Okay.

[Adam]

I'm trying to get fantasy relevant guys. More fantasy guys.

[Heath]

George Pickens.

[Adam]

George Pickens is number four.

[Heath]

Okay, fantasy points per target at the wide receiver position. This is a dumb one, but I'm gonna try it anyways. Taekwond Thornton.

[Adam]

That was the other name I removed.

[Dave]

You are awful.

[Adam]

I am so impressed by you. I am so impressed. That is very impressive. Good job.

[Heath]

It's not gonna be impressive when I end up losing and then Jamie gets it because he names the one guy I didn't see.

[Adam]

But it doesn't matter because I would have done top seven if that were the case. So you got the two hard ones, you knucklehead. Top five. Other than Trey Tucker and Tyquan Thornton, so far we have a Mecca. Buka and George Pickens. We need three more fantasy points per target. Leaders at wide receiver.

[Heath]

I have almost no idea. One, Zay Flowers.

[Adam]

Two more guesses. We need numbers one, two, and five. Three, two, one. Say a name.

[Heath]

Drake London.

[Adam]

All right, Jamie, we've got three left on the board. Top five wide receivers and fantasy points per target.

[Jamie]

Quentin Johnson.

[Adam]

Heath wins the round. Number one, Amon Ross. St. Brown. Number five because number two is very surprising to me. Number five, Jackson, Smith and Jigba.

[Dave]

Yes.

[Adam]

And number two is DK Metcalf because he keeps scoring touchdowns.

[Heath]

One long run.

[Adam]

Not getting a lot of targets at all. All right.

[Dave]

By the way, the way to have to have given. Take it from the game show guy. The way to have asked that question is aside from Trey Tucker and Taekwond Thornton, who are the top five in fantasy?

[Adam]

That's exactly what I was going to do. And then they told me not to say it and so I didn't.

[Dave]

That's what you get for listening today.

[Adam]

Yeah. Well, there you go. All right.

[Jamie]

Deserve to win after getting those.

[Dave]

Oh, yeah, I'm glad. I. I was going to ask you to throw it.

[Adam]

Dave. Who do you want to compete against this round, Jamie or Heath?

[Dave]

Let's make it Jamie. So that way he's waiting for. Because he's already won.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's true. That's true. Okay, top five answers are on the board. I'm looking for team pass attempts per game leaders. I heard Jamie.

[Jamie]

Cowboys.

[Adam]

They are number two. Dave, you have a chance to get the number one answer.

[Dave]

Tampa Bay.

[Adam]

All right. Pass or play Jamie.

[Heath]

Pass.

[Jamie]

Of course.

[Adam]

Speaking of pass, Dave, top five answers are on the board. Team pass attempts per game.

[Dave]

The Rams, they're number four.

[Adam]

We have Dallas at two and Rams at four. Chiefs, they're number five.

[Dave]

I can't believe I'm doing this.

[Heath]

Well.

[Dave]

Chicago, it's per game, right?

[Jamie]

Not total.

[Adam]

It's per game. By the way, I removed numbers four and six from. All right, so so far we have Dallas, the Rams in Kansas City. We're looking for number one and number three pass attempts per game.

[Dave]

Minnesota.

[Adam]

Minnesota threw about 42 passes the first two weeks with McCarthy. One more guess.

[Jamie]

Miami.

[Adam]

Three, two, one. Miami. Not a bad guess. All right, Jamie, your chance to steal two left on the board.

[Dave]

Heath knows.

[Adam]

You have 10 seconds.

[Dave]

Oh, there's an ah, yes.

[Heath]

How about The San Francisco 49?

[Adam]

Number one, San Francisco 49. Number three, Cleveland Browns. The Saints are not top five. I don't know where they are. So it's Niners, one, Dallas two, Cleveland Rams, Kansas City. I don't know if I buy the Rams. That's. So the last two weeks have been super pass heavy for them. They were kind of run heavy before that. All right, last one it is. Dave versus Heath for the championship. This is not a fantasy question. Top, top five NFL teams, point differential leaders.

[Dave]

Dave.

[Adam]

Dave.

[Dave]

Buffalo.

[Adam]

That's number five. Heath, you have a chance for to beat that.

[Heath]

The Colts.

[Adam]

Colts are number one. 74 plus 74. Pass or play. Heath.

[Heath]

I'll let Dave have a shot.

[Adam]

Really? Okay. You only have three to get here. We've got numbers one and five. Colts and Bills. We're looking for the leaders and point differential.

[Dave]

I hate this game. Tampa. I'll go to Tampa again. Oh, Buffalo. I know, I know.

[Adam]

Buffalo. Wait, didn't you already say Buffalo?

[Dave]

Yeah, if they're fifth, then I guess I said.

[Adam]

Yeah, you did. I think I have to.

[Dave]

Oh, they're not on there Twice is what you're telling me.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's another X. Yeah, that should.

[Dave]

Be another X. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Wait, you said Bills twice.

[Dave]

Yeah, I said Bills twice. What about the team in Orchard Park?

[Adam]

5, 4, 3.

[Dave]

I don't even care at this point. There's nothing I can say.

[Adam]

Just say your name. All right, Heath. We've already got the Colts and the Bills. We're looking for a top five team in point differential for the win. Heath Cummings.

[Heath]

Are the Lions on there?

[Adam]

The Lions are number two. He always wins. Fantasy feud. Congratulations. Thanks.

[Heath]

I feel like that was maybe my. My best performance. Like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna clip this one. It's going in. We're gonna play this one when I go in the fantasy view the whole thing.

[Adam]

Well, way to go, my friend.

[Jamie]

Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Just rewind a second.

[Dave]

Oh, please.

[Jamie]

Let me tell you this from the game show guy.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Dave]

All right.

[Adam]

That was fun. Thank you guys. Thank you everybody for watching and listening. Good luck in your in your leagues as we get it started tomorrow night with the big game and have a great day everybody. We'll talk to you later on fantasy.

[Jamie]

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