Waiver Wire! Chris Rodriguez or Devin Neal? A lot of Good WR and TE Options Too (11/25 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today: Waiver Wire! Chris Rodriguez or Devin Neal? Good WR and TE Options Too

Episode Date: November 25, 2025
Hosts: Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into Waiver Wire priorities for Fantasy Football Week 13, focusing on running back options Devin Neal and Chris Rodriguez, plus a slew of interesting wide receiver and tight end candidates. The FFT crew analyzes matchups, role clarity, and potential for short- and long-term production, offering guidance on how aggressively to pursue each name. Lively banter and a few Thanksgiving references set an energetic, familiar tone.

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Main Waiver Wire Takeaways

Top Waiver Priorities

Running Backs

• Devin Neal - Clear top priority this week due to his pass-catching upside and favorable matchup, but with caveats regarding Saints RB committee and Alvin Kamara’s impending return.
• Chris Rodriguez - Next up after Neal, with presumed lead-back status in Washington, though viewed as TD-dependent and with limited pass game work.
• Devin Singletary - Also in consideration (if available), but consensus is that Neal and Rodriguez come first.

Notable Quotes:

• “Devin Neal is the prize this week…he had five catches for 43 yards. I think that's a huge part there.” – Adam (04:31)
• “Neil has not shown us the ability to be a dominant rusher in the NFL yet. So is he just going to be a pass catcher?...You got to view him as a flex.” – Jamey (17:34, 17:44)

Wide Receivers Jamie and Dave break down a “fab five” of intriguing but flawed WR pickups, all with some opportunity due to injuries/role changes:

• Andre Iosivas (CIN, at BAL)
• Chimere Dike (JAC, vs. JAX)
• Jaden Higgins (IND, at IND)
• John Metchie (ATL)
• Greg Dortch (ARI, at TB)

Dave’s Top 3, prioritizing rest-of-season value:

1. John Metchie
2. Jaden Higgins
3. Chimere Dike

Jamie’s top two “for this week":

• Iosivas and Dortch.

All are considered viable, especially for teams seeking a one-week plug, though none are locked-in starters.

Memorable Moment:
“You can make a case for so many of these guys... There’s a lot to like about these guys, there’s a lot to be concerned about.” – Jamie (64:12)

Tight Ends

• Brenton Strange (JAX) and Dalton Schultz (HOU) are the top priorities, with Schultz getting a rest-of-season edge if available.
• Darren Waller is worth a stash if cleared to play.
• In deep/dark throw leagues: Mike Gesicki, Taysom Hill, Colby Parkinson, and Gunner Helm were all discussed.

“Strange and Schultz should be at the top of your list. Waller’s no guarantee to play.” – Dave (29:30)

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Quick Position-by-Position Waiver Lists

Quarterbacks

• Shallow Leagues: Tua Tagovailoa, CJ Stroud, Trevor Lawrence
• 12-team Leagues: Jacoby Brissett (high priority if available)
• Deep Leagues/2QB: Max Brosmer, Teddy Bridgewater, Shadur Sanders

Running Backs

• Top Adds: Devin Neal, Chris Rodriguez, Devin Singletary (if available)
• Deep/Speculative: Zonovan Knight, Jaleel McLaughlin, Michael Carter, RJ Harvey

Wide Receivers

• Prioritize as needed:
  1. Andre Iosivas (> John Metchie/Higgins for pure upside)
  2. Chimere Dike, Jaden Higgins, Greg Dortch
  • Troy Franklin (if available) is ranked above all (66:11).
  • Parker Washington, Chris Godwin, Christian Watson, Terry McLaurin (in shallow leagues)

Tight Ends

• Brenton Strange, Dalton Schultz, Darren Waller
• Deep: Juwan Johnson, Kade Otten, Theo Johnson, Harold Fannin, Mike Gesicki, Colby Parkinson

DSTs & Kickers

• D/ST Streamers: Chargers (top pick), Jaguars, Falcons, 49ers, Dolphins
• Kicker Streamers: Ka’imi Fairbairn, Brandon McManus, Mike Badgley, Jake Elliott, Chad Ryland

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Waiver Wire Decision Discussions & FAB Strategy

• Don’t go overboard:
  Jamie cautions against overspending FAB on any RB or WR outside Neal/Rodriguez due to one-week/injury-related upside.
  “I wouldn’t go too crazy with the receivers… I wouldn’t go too crazy on any of these guys.” – Jamey (14:41)

• Neal vs. Rodriguez:
  Both regarded as solid RB3/flex types, but not likely league-winners. Neal gets the edge for PPR formats due to receiving role. “These are warm bodies that play running back. These are not guys that are going to change your fantasy fortunes.” – Dave (18:53)

• Wide Receivers:
  None are viewed as locked-in, rest-of-season answers. Prioritize based on short-term need and matchups.

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Notable Quotes & Banter

• On waiver wire QB options:
  “Waiver wire quarterbacks are the cranberry sauce. We can live without the cranberry sauce.” – Dave (02:43)

• “Are you starting any of those five WRs over Justin Jefferson with Max Brosmer? – Adam
  “No, not yet. I’m actually kind of hopeful the QB change helps.” – Jamie (10:20)

• On what the FFT crew will do if they win the “Best Sports Podcast” vote:
  “I will do a two-hour live stream every Sunday morning from 11 to 1.” – Adam (11:39)

• On DST Streams:
  "Chargers, Chargers, Chargers. The Raiders are bad. ... That offensive line is a disaster." – Jamie (32:21)

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Key Timestamps

• Waiver RBs Rundown: 03:03–05:36
• WR “Fab Five” Discussion: 06:24–09:34, in-depth through 10:02
• Position-by-position Lists: ~26:56–32:47
• FAB/Expectations for Top RBs: 13:02–17:34
• DST & Kicker Streamers: 32:21–35:28
• Shallow & Deep League Pickups: 36:18–43:37
• Drop-o-meter Segment: 51:59–55:51

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Deep & Shallow League Speculative Pickups

Deep (85%+ available):

• QB: Cam Ward
• RB: Devin Neal, Jaleel McLaughlin, Michael Carter
• WR: John Metchie, Chimere Dike, Greg Dortch
• TE: Brenton Strange (if he qualifies), Mike Gesicki, Colby Parkinson, Gunner Helm
• IDP: Isaiah McDuffie (Green Bay, if Quay Walker out) (45:08)

Shallow:

• Parker Washington (WR), Chris Godwin (WR), Terry McLaurin (WR, stash if available), Juwan Johnson/Theo Johnson (TE), Trevor Lawrence (QB), Jacoby Brissett

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Listener Questions / Common Start-Sit Decisions

• McLaurin or John Metchie (stash)?
  “I’m clearly stashing McLaurin,” Jamie (41:23)

• Can Jayden Daniels (when healthy) be a top-10 QB ROS?
  “He could be toward the bottom of that list.” – Dave (40:00)

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Lighthearted Moments

• Dave tries (unsuccessfully) to block the sun with preschool teaching “ABCs” cutouts – leads to gentle ribbing, laughter (20:36, 74:18).
• “Jamie, what are you going to do for our listeners if we win this thing?” – Adam
  “I think you should shave three lines in your head.” – Jamie (11:18)
• “One of the suggested punishments if the Giants lose is for me to eat pumpkin pie on camera.” – Adam (74:57)

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Bottom Line Advice

• RBs: Spend moderate FAB for Devin Neal (especially in PPR); Chris Rodriguez is safer for volume leagues.
• WRs: Add one of the “fab five” if desperate, but don’t overspend—most are short-term flexes.
• TEs: Stream Strange or Schultz if available; stash Waller if you can.
• DST: Target the Chargers first.
• Watch for late-week injury news to clarify priority on several names, especially at RB and WR.

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Final Thought:
“These are warm bodies that play running back. These are not guys that are going to change your fantasy fortunes.” – Dave (18:53)

For a tough waiver week, the FFT crew delivers sharp context, actionable tiers, and some much-needed humor. If you need a Week 13 plug-in—or just a little fantasy therapy—you’ll find both here.

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Transcript

[Adam]

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[Jamie]

Can you believe this?

[Adam]

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[Dave]

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[Jamie]

This is gonna go the distance.

[Adam]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. What's going on, everybody? Welcome to the show. Waiver wire for fantasy week 13. Thanksgiving week. Yes. Dave's not gonna be here for Thanksgiving. We're not gonna talk to him after today. Until next week, until Sunday.

[Dave]

I'm thankful for that.

[Adam]

You fired up? You hungry?

[Dave]

You're asking me if I'm hungry?

[Adam]

What an exciting week this is. Oh, it's the best. And we've got three games. You know, it's interesting. We have three games on Thursday and Baltimore, Cincinnati is one of them. Maybe we call it the marquee game. I don't know about that, but are we going to trust either quarterback in that game? I know this is a waiver wire show, but, Jamie, right now as we sit here, should we be looking at the waiver wire quarterbacks, which aren't very good if we have Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson.

[Jamie]

No.

[Adam]

Waiver wire quarterbacks are horrible. Waiver wire quarterbacks are the. Oh, man. What? This is the worst Thanksgiving.

[Dave]

This is where you're gonna say the pumpkin pie.

[Adam]

Oh, no, I was thinking side dishes. Obviously, they're the pumpkin pie, but cranberry sauce. Yeah, cranberry sauce. They're the cranberry sauce of.

[Dave]

We can live without the cranberry sauce.

[Adam]

Subs. Heath Heath's wife makes the best cranberry sauce. I'd have to taste it to believe it. All right, anyway, welcome to the show. I don't know if I said this, but welcome to Fantasy football Today, presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary. We'll give you our favorite waiver wire players right now. Jamie, who are the top three priorities on the waiver wire?

[Jamie]

Oh, boy. The top three priorities on the waiver wire would be Devin Neal. Would be Devin Neal. I'll go with Neil. What about Devin Neal Strange? I'm trying to think. Devin. Neal Breton. Strange. And Dalton Schultz.

[Adam]

Okay, Devin.

[Jamie]

Deal.

[Adam]

Three times. Bretton strains and Dalton Schultz. Tight ends are typically, you know, they've been good this year on the waiver wire. Dave, how about you?

[Dave]

Yeah. Four of the five names Jamie said are in my top three. Devin Neal is number one. Brenton Strange is in there as well. I'm still going to put Chris Rodriguez on the list. I know the matchup this week really stinks, but it's. It's presumably a lead running back available on the waiver wire in 2/3 of CBS leagues. So that would be my top three. Let's put Neil at the top, followed by Rodriguez, then Neil, then Strange, then Neil.

[Adam]

All right, so Devin Neal is. Is the prize this week. You know, he actually was out carried by Taysom Hill.

[Jamie]

And.

[Adam]

And not only that, Taysom Hill had 10 carries. Neil had seven. Taysom Hill had only three direct snaps, which is actually a lot. But it wasn't all direct snap. He was just lining up legitimately as a running back. And he plays tight end.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Is he a better AD than. Than Devon Neal? You know, you get a running back at playing tight end. I don't know, But Neil had five catches for 43 yards, so I think.

[Dave]

I knew you'd get to that.

[Adam]

Yes, a huge part there. And they're facing Miami, who for a moment it looked like maybe they had been better against running backs, but for the full season, they're horrible. 4.8.

[Dave]

They are better. They're definitely.

[Jamie]

It's also the, the Saints are horrible too. It's not like, you know, like even if this was, this was Camara, had he played well last game and stayed healthy, then it would have been back to back strong games. You feel a little bit more encouraged about it. But it's still a Saints run offense that has been bad. The reason I think you look at Neil is what you said, the five catches, you know, so he's going to be involved in the passing game and hopefully that's something that can be constant and then you tack on whatever he does as a rusher. So I still think we may see Audrey estimate who's, you know, going to be probably now the number two running back or third if you want to throw Tayson Hill in there. But it is, it is another good week of tight ends. It's just funny like how we look at the waiver wire. Like there's, there's guys that are available that could be starters for you right away. And, and two that I mentioned in Schultz and excuse me, strange insults and then, you know, you throw in Taysom Hill, you know, there's, there's just some, some good options that could potentially be flex plays as well.

[Adam]

And then I'll skip ahead to Jamie. When we were talking off air yesterday, I don't know if it was on here off air. He said there were four wide receivers who were basically right in the same five. Okay, so Yoshivas at Baltimore, Shimray DK against Jacksonville, Jaden Higgins at Indianapolis, John Mechi against Atlanta. How about this stat Atlanta has allowed this is not a huge number, but it's pretty good. 12.8 or more PPR fantasy points to eight wide receivers in their last five games. And that's Waddle, Malik Washington, Alec Pierce, Tedro McMillan, Xavier Leguette, Chris Olave. I've, I left some out, but not exactly like the best wide receiver. So again, it's, it's Yoshavas, dk, Hig, Jaden Higgins, John Mechi. Is there a fifth?

[Jamie]

Yeah, Dorch. You know, just based on what he's done, assuming Harrison's out, you know, so another favorable matchup and I think a situation where, you know, as long as Brissette continues to do what he's doing, which I don't think that's Going to change. Dorch is going to get his targets and opportunities. And so with Harrison not being there, the last two games have been fantastic for him. It gets overshadowed because of what Michael Wilson is doing. Understandably so. But you know, Deutsch has been pretty solid the last two weeks. Yeah.

[Adam]

And Dorch is very similar matchup. Dorch is facing Tampa bay. They've allowed 13.5 or more PPR fantasy points to a wide receiver in all but one game. Three 14 or more points to eight wide receivers in their last four games. So they are really struggling. And you've got guys like Kyle Williams, Mack Hollands, Tyrell Shavers, Rashid Shahid having big games against Tampa Bay. So we look at those five receivers.

[Jamie]

Saints, Rashid, she. I don't know if Seahawks, Rashid, she could do it.

[Adam]

Probably not. Yoshevas, dk, Higgins, Mechi and Dorch. That's Jamie's order. Dave, how do you feel about those guys?

[Dave]

I've got match at the top. I think there's staying power with him rest of season. I think he looks good as a short and mostly short, but some intermediate routes in the jets offense. I know Garrett Wilson will be back. When's that going to happen?

[Jamie]

Week 15, if he's eligible.

[Dave]

Right. If he's healthy. And so we don't know. And he's. He's played well and I think he's still going to see some decent target volume moving forward. So I don't mind Mechi. I love what I've seen from Jaden Higgins, really have. So he would make my list as well. I've. I've been on the DK train for a few weeks and then I got off. And now after a big game, of course, the sense is to go back on it. So those would probably be. My first three names on the list would be Mechi, Higgins and dk.

[Adam]

Keep an eye on Elik. Aisle man or status. He missed the game. Obviously. Calvin Ridley's out. Chimray. DK has. Has had A. Has played 80% or more of the snaps in three games this year and he's come through with what, 16 or more. I forget fantasies.

[Jamie]

He had two games where he's had at least seven targets. And those are two games you're referencing.

[Adam]

Yeah, two of the three games now. One of those three games, he had three targets. He scored 1.5 fantasy points. So it's not like any of these guys are locks. But in two of the three games where DK's played 80 or more of the snaps, which is way more than in his other games, he's come through pretty good. Here's the.

[Jamie]

There's, there's again, I, I think with the five guys and, and you know, Dave putting. Met you at the top. I have no problem with that. Somebody putting Higgins at the top. If you want to just look Dorch for a one week situation, I have no problem with that. I think you just look at these five guys. There's, there's pros and cons for all them and we don't know. You know, T. Higgins got a pretty serious concussion. From what it looked like, he can miss multiple weeks. And if you're talking about Yoshavas with Burrow for multiple weeks, like, sign me up for that too.

[Adam]

Here's the problem. Right. So.

[Jamie]

All right, let me, let me rephrase it. He'll be with Burrow for multiple weeks. If there's no T. Higgins there, he's obviously not going anywhere.

[Adam]

Yeah. Yeah. Right. So, yeah, Higgins was ruled out almost immediately with a concussion, which is pretty rare.

[Dave]

And he's already been ruled out for Thursday.

[Adam]

Exactly. All five of these guys, Dave. Jamie said five guys earlier really got. Got me pretty hungry. But all five of them, they have pretty bad matchups next week.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And there's no buys this week, but that's just something to keep in mind. Yoshava is at Buffalo next week. DK is at Cleveland. Higgins is at Kansas City. Metchie's at home against Miami. Who's seventh best against wide receivers. And Dorch has the Rams. But yeah, I mean, those are interesting wide receivers. So again, the priorities are Devin Neal, Brenton Strange, Dalton Schultz, Chris Rodriguez. And if you need one of those wide receivers, they might be able to come through for you here.

[Jamie]

It's not a quarterback.

[Adam]

It's not bad. It's not a no unless Brissette is still available. What is he, 70 something percent Ross?

[Jamie]

Yeah, there are some guys in that shallow league range that you can buy into for sure. But in the range that we typically talk about and what Most of our 12 team leaders are looking at, like, Tua is the best one.

[Adam]

Are you going to start any of those five wide receivers over Justin Jefferson with Max Brosmer?

[Jamie]

No, no, not yet. I'm, I'm actually kind of hopeful that maybe the quarterback change helps.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

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[Jamie]

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[Adam]

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[Jamie]

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[Jamie]

Sorry. That. I don't know.

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[Jamie]

But you can watch us live Wednesday night.

[Adam]

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[Jamie]

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[Adam]

Yeah, it's gonna be fun. All right. How much fab are we spending this week, guys? Real quick.

[Jamie]

I don't think you have to spend a lot aside from maybe Neil or Rodriguez, just because of the positions that they play, you know. So the receivers again, it's. We, we've kind of been living this the same, you know, Groundhogs day over and over again of, hey, a receiver pops up, spend a little bit of fab on him, then he disappears, unfortunately. So like you alluded to, Adam, the matchups this week for those guys are very intriguing. The matchups next week are probably not so much. And again, in Deutsch's case, you could have Harrison back in, in the case of Metchie, in two weeks you could have Wilson back. In the case of Yoshavas, you could have Higgins back. Like there's a lot of things that could go not necessarily wrong, but you know, put roadblocks or speed bumps on these guys that don't have them as potential starters rest of season. So I wouldn't go crazy with the receivers. I think in the case of the tight ends, you can see a huge path to success for Breton. Strange. His last three games, healthy games, ten and a half PPR points or more. Schultz had the one bad game against the tight end Eraser. So you know, if he gets dropped or is still sitting on waivers, you know, go right back to him. But in the case of Neil and Rodriguez, you know, Neil specifically, like if you spend too much fab on him, Camara's not out for the season, so you may only be getting a one week situation, maybe two weeks. And Rodriguez, to me, he's touchdown dependent. And so Dave's right, he's going to be the lead running back on Washington. But he has one catch in his last three games. He didn't score last game against Miami and he played really well. But she got eight PPR points. Like that's the type of guy that he could be if he doesn't find the end zone. Now he did score the two previous games. One of those he didn't finish and that was against Detroit. So did do well in a tough matchup. And maybe things get even better for Washington when you get Jane Daniels back. But I think just in the case of Fab, like I wouldn't go too crazy on any of these guys.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Can I. I just asked you guys to elaborate a little bit more on your expectations for Devin Neal and I guess Chris Rodriguez. You guys both prefer Neil over Rodriguez, right?

[Dave]

I do, yes.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Yeah. And yeah, I mean it is a really good matchup. And he had the five catches, which is weird because that even Camaro was not really routinely getting five cats.

[Dave]

I was about to bring that up.

[Jamie]

Yeah, well, they were kind of using Neil as their pass catcher with Camaro.

[Adam]

Well, that's interesting. So yeah, again it's on paper, looks like a great matchup this week at Miami and then who's to say they don't that could Camara comes back anytime soon. I mean, I know it wasn't diagnosed as a season ending injury, but I'm, I don't, I shouldn't have said that. You know what I'm saying? That there's no rush.

[Jamie]

I mean, you know, if you're, if you're taking a broader view of it, there's no reason for him to rush. It's a lost season for their team and, you know, he's still, I would guess, part of their plans for 2026. So for an older running back to try and come back from an injury for a team that's not going anywhere, like, why would he want to do that and why would they even want to do that? Like, this is a great opportunity to evaluate Neil if he is. Maybe they're back up next year or potentially their starter if they do move on from Camaro. Like, this is the perfect opportunity to see what he can do. But clearly, you know, we, we go through this all the time. You know, you're usually the, the guy who pushes back on guys want to play and you know he's potentially going to rush back. Look, he's clearly proven his dedication to the Saints by what he said at the trade deadline. Like he wants to be with them and yeah, I'm sure give them every opportunity to win games and probably help Cullen more based on what seems like their relationship is.

[Adam]

So you know what, don't even worry about that storyline. Let's just talk about what we expect from Devin Neal and let's do that after a quick break here on fantasy football today. As I look at the Saints and they have scored. When was the last time they scored 20 points? Week 5.

[Jamie]

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[Jamie]

Well, I mean look there, there's, there's reason to be excited and there's plenty of optimism here because again, you know, we don't know how this is going to work with Taysom Hill and you know, again, maybe estimate or whatever else they decide to do because they're going to bring somebody else in to help out here. But Neil has not shown us the ability to be a, a dominant rusher in the NFL yet. So is he just going to be a pass catcher? Is he just going to be somebody that they use to supplement Taysom Hill of all people? So I think you're, you know, you're looking at it for me, I don't know where Dave hasn't ranked or Heath hasn't ranked. Like I just think you got to view him as a flex. I think the same thing with Rodriguez almost every week as a flex. But the difference is for me is like I feel as if the game we got from Neil last week where you can sort of fall back on his pass catching, his past catching ability or his past catching production is going to sort of keep him in that range in PPR will he'll be okay as a flex. Whereas for Rodriguez and just, you know, if you're looking at the two on waivers, if Rodriguez doesn't score, I don't think he's going to be a consistent 100 yard rusher. I think we're looking at maybe a 70, 80 yard guy max unless he breaks one. But that game against Miami, I just think is, is the perfect example of what he is non touchdown 78 points.

[Adam]

And you could, it could be even worse than that against Denver and Minnesota. Right, It's, I get it.

[Dave]

So these are warm bodies that play running back. These are not guys that are going to change your fantasy fortunes. At least I don't think so right away. They're not must start players. Jamie, you call these guys flexes. That's what they are. And, and I'm how many times have we seen Taysom Hill Bogart touchdowns from Alvin Kamara. What do you think they're going to do when they're near the goal line? I'd be surprised if it's Devin Neal there too. And Adam, you talked about how all year the Saints haven't thrown to Alvin Camara. Now suddenly they're going to start throwing to Devin Neal. So the appeal to me with these guys is they're going to get some work, they're going to play a solid amount. They're not going to be like 80% of the snap guys for their respective teams. They're not on high scoring teams, but they're going to accrue some fantasy points. And if you really don't like your depth at running back, if you're really desperate at running back, then this, this is the move that you make, is go and get one of these two guys or both of these guys. Do not spend a lot of fab to do it. 15 of your original budget should get it done.

[Jamie]

All right. I think the thing, though, just, just in terms of throwing to their running backs and just looking at the three starts for Shuck. So the Rams game, they didn't really do it to either guy. But the last two games, in terms of the Panthers and the Falcons, it was six targets for Camara and Neil combined and then nine targets for Neil and Camara combined. And that's not including. I think they threw maybe a couple times to taste a mill, too, so. Or targets to taste a mill. So I think you look at just what they did with Shuck as opposed to what they did with Rattler, and that's maybe better sample size of what to expect.

[Dave]

Adam?

[Adam]

Yeah, Dave? Didn't work. It didn't work. Dave tried to put up a bag on his window to get the sun out, but not.

[Dave]

No, no, no.

[Jamie]

It's a public spaghetti.

[Dave]

What did you do? It might as well have been. I'm going to take a picture of this because it's the stupidest thing ever. My wife's a preschool teacher. I found a baggie full of her preschool materials, and I'm just looking for something that could block out part of the sun so that sunlight doesn't come in and distract the show. It didn't work. It did work on like a third of the camera. I might as well have done nothing. All right, I'm going to take a picture of this. I'm going to send it to Schaefer. Schaefer will put it on the show. This is what I try to. It's, it's, it's hilariously bad. But anyway, the sun's here, everybody. Good morning.

[Adam]

All right, here's your here's your news and here are your news and notes. Baker Mayfield shoulder injury not as bad as they feared. Chance he could play this week. Maybe it's going to be next week. Baker Mayfield will keep an eye on him. If he doesn't play, Teddy Bridgewater will play. I think we're going to expect that. As of now, JJ McCarthy is in concussion protocol, so Max Brosmer is expected to start this week. Joe Burrow expected to play. CJ Stroud still in concussion protocol, but he'll be the starter when he's back, which is hopefully this week at Indianapolis. Jaden Daniels is unlikely to play this week according to Ian Rapaport in some leagues. Jaden Daniels, Terry McLaurin guys who were being drafted in the top 40 basically top 50 at the latest are are available.

[Jamie]

What is happening right now?

[Dave]

Davis, how's it looking guys?

[Jamie]

Yeah, you fixed? Worked. He's standing in front of it.

[Adam]

Oh, I will stay there then. Aaron Rodgers expect to play this week? Yeah, we're good. Shadow Sanders is going to start even though Dylan Gabriel did clear concussion protocol and Lamar Jackson has a toe injury now. No idea how serious it is, but.

[Dave]

He'S turning into the operation.

[Jamie]

Man.

[Dave]

Do we start Lamar Jackson.

[Adam]

Ashton Genti ankle. All we know is Pete Carroll said that it's not severe. The other thing we know is that Pete Carroll's never ever honest about injuries. Isaiah Pacheco could play this week. They play Thursday at Dallas. Alvin Camara knee quinch on Judkins we think is fine. He came back. This one kind of could stink. Samaj P. Ryan was listed as a full participant. It's been beautiful for for chase Brown playing 90% of the snaps. Samaj P. Ryan hopefully won't take too much away from him. They're at Baltimore on Thursday. Josh Jacobs was listed as limited. He said last week that he would play on third this week and I haven't seen anything on Zonova night. Have you guys?

[Jamie]

Nothing.

[Adam]

All right, so he's probably okay.

[Dave]

We ranked him all right. So I assume that there was some good news.

[Adam]

Remember Benson got in some practice last week so maybe this will be Trey Benson's week. Wide receiver news. Todd Bowles plans to ramp up Chris Godwin's usage. George Pickens was listed as a dnp. He he should be fine for Thursday against the Chiefs. Jaden Reed was listed as limited. Matthew golden might be able to play this week there Thursday at the Lions Jalen Waddle missed practice. That was kind of weird. They get the Saints this week. They're coming off a buy. Juwan Jennings could be facing a suspension for retaliating for getting hit in Family Show. We got hit, you know, below the belt.

[Jamie]

You're hitting the ball. Say it. You're okay.

[Adam]

Okay, fine. And T. Higgins and Andre Yoshevis were injured, but Yoshevis came back and Higgins is going to miss the game this week. Rashee Rice was listed as limited with a hamstring injury, so we were hoping it was cramps. Maybe it's a hamstring injury for Rashi Rice, but the fact that he was listed as limited, I think is a good sign because they have the Thursday game at Dallas. Darren Waller practiced this week. He caught four touchdowns in three healthy games. And in one of those games, he played like 26 of the snapshot. Okay, real quick on the offensive line. The Patriots are going to be without the left side of their offensive line for the foreseeable future, especially left guard Jared Wilson. He's going to be out, I think, four to six weeks. Will Campbell, I haven't seen a timetable, but he's going to miss some time.

[Dave]

Weeks, not days.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Adam]

Minnesota, two offensive linemen got hurt.

[Dave]

Well, the main one is Darasaw. Yeah, that's a biggie. Remember earlier this year when Carson Wentz was running for his life? Yeah, that was because I wasn't playing.

[Adam]

They're at Seattle this week, so they don't want to be missing guys.

[Dave]

Yeah. This is a bad. This is a bad spot for Brosmer to make his NFL debut.

[Adam]

You got Tyler Guyton, left tackle for the Cowboys. He left with an injury. And in that same game this week, Trey Smith, chief star guard, he left with an injury, so we'll see if those guys can play. Chandler Zavala just keeps getting hurt for Carolina and he got hurt again last night. The Raiders fired Chip Kelly and they hire. And they are going to go to Greg Olson, who has a lot of experience as their offensive coordinator. But let's see. Carolina got pretty beat up. They lost a linebacker and two defensive backs, including their best corner, J.C. horn, to a concussion. So they get the Rams this week. Let's check on Kyle Hamilton. I'm thinking he'll play. We might get Terry and Arnold back this week for Detroit. A cornerback there. The bit, the lot. The Eagles. The Eagles super beat up two safeties, one cornerback, one defensive tackle. None of them are their star players, but important players for them. They're all hurt. And this Is important for Chicago on Friday. You know this is going to be a limping Eagles defense and I'll leave it at that. Although no New England with Kyrus Tonga defensive lineman leaving with an injury between him and Milton Williams. I was reading on patriots.com seem to really affect their run defense. They get the Giants on on Monday night.

[Jamie]

Okay. A new defense coordinator for the Giants too.

[Adam]

Oh, that's right. I don't even know who it is.

[Jamie]

Who they promote their linebackers coach.

[Adam]

Oh, okay. Great start all their linebackers. Hey, it's time for football at BetMGM. Register with BetMGM to get instant access to the best variety of parlay selection features. No sweat. And boost tokens, live betting options and much more. New players can receive up to 1500 dollars back in bonus bets with the bonus code fantasy if they don't win their first bet. You don't want to miss out on any of the hard hitting action at bet. Mgm. Place your money line, parlay bets and more today. Bet mgm. Make it legendary. Let's go to the top three at each position. Jamie, who are our top three quarterbacks?

[Jamie]

Oh boy. Get ready. You got TUA at number one. I put CJ Stroud at number two and then Cam Ward at number three. Hello. Okay.

[Adam]

TUA against the Saints. Stroud gets the Colts and Cam Ward. Jacksonville, where six of the last seven quarterbacks have had good to great games against Jacksonville.

[Jamie]

He's coming off his best game.

[Adam]

He is. I don't know why he hasn't run this year. He finally ran last week.

[Jamie]

Last two games he's been over 30 yards rushing in the last two weeks. Great.

[Adam]

This is positive sign running back Dave, top three running backs. We know who the top two are. Let's get the top three.

[Dave]

Neil and Rodriguez are the top two. Devin Singletary is still a free agent. 54% of leagues. He would be number three.

[Adam]

What did you make of what I just said about the Patriots run defense and how it relates to Singletary who I think got 14 carries last game?

[Dave]

I. I feel the same way about Singletary as I do.

[Adam]

Game of the week.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

The Giants upsetting the Patriots. Dave's not gonna be here all week, so it's the game of the week. Hey, you heard it folks. It's going down. Patriots fans, we own you.

[Jamie]

All right, Dave.

[Adam]

Sorry. Devin Singleton.

[Dave]

There's got to be. First of all. Don't apologize. Second of all, there's got to be some Patriots fans that would love to make some sort of wager with you on that.

[Adam]

What Am I? I gotta keep just wagering things.

[Dave]

I mean, we gotta keep the show fun.

[Adam]

Yeah, it's true. That's fine. I'm pretty confident in it. As long as.

[Dave]

I mean, you're scared we're gonna lose the 64 tournament thing because Jamie said balls.

[Adam]

Well, yeah, I just. It's contingent on Jackson Dart.

[Jamie]

Then.

[Adam]

I'll make any bet. All right, Dave, so we got Devin Singletary, third.

[Dave]

Yeah. Neil Rodriguez, Singletary are my top three.

[Adam]

All right, top three wide receivers.

[Jamie]

Jamie, the top three wide receivers we already mentioned. Just going to put. I'm going to give you five, not three. So we have Yoshavas, we have dk, we have Jaden Higgins, John Metchie and Greg Dorch.

[Adam]

Yoshivas Chimray, dk, Jaden Higgins. I'm just typing all this. Jaden Higgins, John Metchie, Greg Dorich. Dave, you want to rank those five.

[Dave]

MET, you won, Higgins two. Yoshivash would probably come in at 3 DK, four Deutsche's last. I don't want to add him. And then have Marvin Harrison Jr. Come back.

[Adam]

True, true, true, true. That. All right, top three tight ends.

[Dave]

Dave, Bren Strange, Darren Waller. And if Schultz is out there, he should probably be near the top. We'd put Schultz over Waller. I'll go Strange, Schultz, Waller thinking rest of season.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Adam]

And let's see. Are you ready to move on from Kyle Pitts and Dallas Goddard for Brenton Strange, Dalton Schultz and Darren Waller?

[Dave]

Yes.

[Jamie]

Yes. Not Waller, but the other two. Yes. Waller's no guarantee to play this week. It's just the windows open.

[Adam]

The Yosef, DK Higgins, Mechi Dortch group. Are you starting them over Christian Watson.

[Jamie]

Yoshavas, yes. Dortch, yes. Metchi, yes. Higgins, no. And dk, no.

[Dave]

None of them. I'll take Watson over all of them.

[Adam]

Are you starting them over a Mecca Abuka?

[Dave]

No, no, that.

[Adam]

You know they got Bridgewaters playing.

[Dave]

No, I get it. A book is going to be downgraded.

[Jamie]

But hopefully we get the Jacoby Brissette factor for Abuka. Just throw it all over the place with Bridgewater.

[Adam]

Is this sarcastic here? Can we have Adam's IDP pick? Since last week's was so good, I don't know how he did he do?

[Jamie]

Well, Robinson was terrible.

[Adam]

Well, take those $4, Jamie. There you go. All right, so to recap, we got two.

[Jamie]

You lost in that league by two points.

[Adam]

I did?

[Jamie]

You did.

[Adam]

I didn't even check that league.

[Jamie]

I only know because you and I are competing for maybe the final Playoff spot.

[Adam]

Oh, come on, this is just this year, man. Oh, so much of that.

[Dave]

You picked the wrong linebacker.

[Adam]

No, Jamie had. Oh, he lost by two and a half.

[Dave]

Oh, Jamie picked them up well. But you still lost anyway.

[Adam]

Josh Allen.

[Dave]

Nothing to do with it. Yeah, if you started Josh Allen, you probably lost.

[Adam]

Okay. Anyway, to recap, two songs by Loa, C.J. stroud, Cam Ward. Our top three waiver wire quarterbacks. The running backs are Devin Neal, Chris Rodriguez and Devin Singletary. Singletary. That was Dave's list. Jamie's five wide receivers are Yoshava's DK Higgins, Mechi Dortch. And Dave's top three tight ends are Brenton Strange, Dalton Schultz and Darren Waller. Now it's time for coverage you can count on, sponsored by Nationwide. Just like your fantasy roster is more than just your offensive starters, Nationwide is a great insurance company and a great financial services company. So don't forget about the defensive side of the ball. And remember, Nationwide is on your side. Jamie, give us a DST to stream this week.

[Jamie]

Chargers, Chargers. Chargers. The Raiders are bad. I know they got a new coordinator and we'll see if that helps, but I don't know if he's going to play offensive line for them. So the Chargers coming off a buy, seeing what just happened to Geno Smith and really what Geno Smith has looked like the majority of the season. But that offensive line is a disaster. And the Chargers, you can make a case that the Chargers should be the number one player, unit, whatever you want to describe them as to add this week because that's a huge league winning situation. Yep.

[Dave]

And by the way, he's their new offensive coordinator. But he's been their offensive coordinator twice.

[Jamie]

Before the third test.

[Dave]

Yeah. This is his third tour of duty. Is the Raiders OC because the first two worked out so well for Greg Olson. And it's a different Greg Olson obviously than the one that used to play tight end. Made a great rap song for the University of Miami. Current analyst for Fox. Different guy.

[Adam]

Yeah, it'd be interesting if the current analysts on Fox were the offensive coordinator.

[Dave]

They might. It might be an improvement.

[Adam]

Well, the car. The other.

[Jamie]

I mean, there is. There is a analyst for Fox that could be offensive.

[Adam]

Yeah, I was making that joke. Absolutely. Tom Brady. Also the Jaguars, Jaguars and the Chargers are. Are rostered in about the same amount of leagues. About 48. Jaguars get the Titans this week. Titans are pretty much a layup for dsts.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Dave]

L. Seattle, that.

[Adam]

How did Seattle do, by the way? Seattle was.

[Dave]

I mean, they gave up Some garbage time points that hurt them.

[Adam]

Let's see they score. They had. We had one of their worst games.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I mean Cam did not turn the ball over. He didn't have an interception. Right.

[Dave]

Cam had one of his best games. Yep.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Dave]

That's why you're encouraged to put them on, you know, so high up on your list this week at quarterback. And I agree with it. I'd rather have tua, I think, than Cam Ward, but we saw a different looking Cam Ward this past week and I, I'm encouraged by it.

[Adam]

We'd like to see him stack it before we buy it.

[Dave]

Oh, you're not starting Cam Ward.

[Adam]

Well, you just talked about.

[Dave]

We're starting Lamar Jackson over camp.

[Jamie]

I think this week's quarterback list is for the Birds. Who.

[Adam]

For the Birds?

[Jamie]

Well, this is like, you know, it's a specific, probably manager, but like the one that's been sort of going from Daniels to Mariota. Whoever they picked up last week may not be great like that type of manager, you know, if you've been starting Flacco and you don't have burrow, that.

[Adam]

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[Jamie]

Jamie, go back to Fairbairn. I'm sure once he's healthy, he'll start to put up points like he typically does. McMahon is coming off a three field goal game indoors against Detroit, Badgley indoors against the Texans. Jake Elliott hopefully will bounce back and play better than the Bear, but better this week than he did last week. And then Chad Ryland takes on Tampa Bay. Shouldn't be any weather issues there.

[Adam]

Yeah, it's always, you know, try if, maybe try to prioritize indoor kickers and kickers in Los Angeles or Miami or something like you.

[Jamie]

Well, Los Angeles, Los Angeles, yeah.

[Adam]

But good weather places. All right. By the way, just whenever I hear for the Birds, does anybody else think of Norm MacDonald roasting Bob Saget? Because that just immediately comes to my mind. Amazing roast. Okay, well, you should look it up. We're going to take a break. Shallow leagues, deep leagues and more. When we come back, Black Friday savings are here at the Home Depot, which means it's time to add new cordless.

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[Adam]

So we've gone over the Devin Neals and the Chris Rodriguez's and all those wide receivers and Dalton Schultz and all that. But Jamie if there's a guy in the shallower leagues that really jumps out at you that you have to get who are. Who's that guy or some of those.

[Jamie]

Guys so you mentioned Bersetta quarterback. I think you also can look at Trevor Lawrence should have a good opportunity this week against the Titans and then I think it's it's worth stashing Jane Daniels. He's not going to play this week but might return and the end of season schedule not exactly terrible gets Minnesota Week 14 Giants Week 15 so not bad there at running back. If you don't like Devin Neal or Chris Rodriguez or Devin Neal Devin Neal Devin Neal you can look at Basil too and I think his worst dashing Tyler LJo is worth stashing and I still think Zonovin Night depending on what happens with Trey Benson. Someone you want to keep an eye on there. At receiver we have. Sorry let's get past it receiver we have Christian Watson still in in the range of guys that we are looking at here. He's at 74. Four rostered. Terry McLaren's at 80 roster. Pick him up if he's still out there. Parker Washington has had three solid games of his last four and you mentioned Chris Godwin about getting ramped up. You know he's still somebody I think is worth putting on the under bench at tight end. Besides the two guys of Brenton Strange and Dalton Schultz you also have Kate Ottens at 78 rostered. I go back to him even though he struggled last week. Joanne Johnson's my favorite of the group 76 rostered. Theo Johnson hopefully will continue to do well with Jackson Dart. He had 77 yards receiving last week so that was good. And then I still think Harold Fan and I know it wasn't a great game and he hasn't had a good game in his last three but you still see the target share that he's getting from the Browns quarterbacks. So even Shoulder Sanders last week 20 attempts he had six targets so there's still an opportunity for Harold Fannin to low end starter. Not a must start guy but a lone star.

[Adam]

Theo Johnson has a 20 target per route run rate with Jackson DART it's only 16.4% with Jameis Winston. So I think dart could be good for. For Theo. So you gave all those names if there were a few out there that if every single one of them were available, you know who are the top guys?

[Jamie]

Juwan Johnson and Jacoby Brissette would be my two favorites. You know, just looking at what percent has done 20 or more points in all six starts in place of Kyler Murray. I don't know if that will change this week. Next week gets a little bit tougher, but must start guy this week again and then Juwan Johnson another game with over 10 PPR points and a much easier matchup this week. Last week was one of the tougher matchups just in terms of what the Falcons have done to opposing tight ends all season. And this week against the Dolphins much easier opponent. So like to set up for him. Somebody asked in chat about Jaden Reed. He's one of the receivers to add. I don't know if we'll get to him or not, but he's. He's just outside the top five guys that I listed.

[Adam]

I mean, how's I just. They have no passing game. They. Nobody can stand out.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Adam]

He's outside the top five. Okay. I'm not disagreeing with you. I just. I was so excited about Jaden Reed as a good sleeper this year.

[Jamie]

I mean, to be fair, he played one full game. He caught a touchdown in the game. It was week one, not an easy matchup against Detroit. So maybe he's the guy that does stand out.

[Adam]

Maybe.

[Jamie]

And that's, I think just a little bit. You asked about Watson earlier. You know, if, if Reed does play, like it's hard to say any of the packers wide receivers should be started.

[Adam]

Okay. And just to wrap up that discussion real quick, do you got. What are your expectations? Like they've got Denver this week, so no one wants to start commanders passing game guys. But let's say Jaden Daniels and Terry McLaurin are playing Week 14 and beyond. Can we recapture some magic? Dave, do you think it's possible that these guys actually play, you know, like what we drafted them to be and they could carry us to championships?

[Dave]

No, not what we drafted them to be. But could. Could Jayden Daniels be a top 10 quarterback? Yeah, he could be toward the bottom of that list. Could Terry McLaurin be a top, let's call it 20 to 30 wide receiver? Yes, I think he could. But they've got to get Healthy. There's also the question about why would they risk it if it's a lost year with these players? I kind of think they need to get a little bit of experience for Daniels, and McLaurin probably would want to play if they have the opportunity. And the matchups aren't going to be any worse than what they are this coming week for the commanders. So hopefully after this week, things will be better for them. Hopefully they get healthy and hopefully we see them and there may be starts.

[Jamie]

The thing you got to worry about with Daniels is he's probably going to play with some bulky brace on his left elbow. How much will he run if he's going to run at all after what happened to him and what's been happening to him? You know, this is not his first injury. It's his worst injury, but not his first injury. And then in the case of McLaurin, like, he's had one good game. He's only played four.

[Adam]

I know he's only played two with Jaden Daniels. All right, well, anyway, why, like.

[Jamie]

But you should be picking these guys up if you have the opportunity. Like, if we're talking about again, the, the list of five receivers and McLaren's still sitting there, so 10 team league. I'd much rather take the chance on the corner from not starting any of these guys. So, like Messi. Yes. He's got two touchdowns last two games. If you tell me I got to start John Metchie versus Terry McLaren or stash John Metchie versus Terry McLaren. I'm clearly stashing McLaren.

[Adam]

Okay, all right, well, listen, I don't know what. We're wasting time here because none of these guys are available in my league. Terry McLaurin, idiot. Dave, who are the deep league guys? And also you have an IDP to share with the, with the class.

[Dave]

So first of all, was that you who called Terry McLaurin an idiot or was that the old prospector guy calling?

[Adam]

No, it was Eric Cartman, the prospector calling all of us idiots for talking about McLaurin.

[Dave]

Okay. And let me ask the. The old guy a question. Like, what's a good availability percentage to go off of for deep leagues? 75.

[Adam]

85. I'm 85 years old, Dave, so I.

[Dave]

Am going to only name players that are available in 85 or more of CBS leagues. They should be available everywhere if that's the case on cbs. And Cam Ward, top solicit quarterback, he's going to be available in 86% of leagues and he's like the only quarterback not named Shador Sanders or Max Brosmer that you can find in such a situation. Devin Neal, 88 available. So one of the top running backs this week is available in all leagues and so is Jaleel McLaughlin. I hope that Sean Payton is not building a mystery with his running game, But I think McLaughlin could see a little bit more work. Not a lot more next week or this coming week against Washington. And that is a favorable matchup for RJ Harvey. But Harvey didn't exactly let set the world on fire in his first start. Michael Carter, also out there in 88 of leagues. Wide receiver Mechi, 99 available. Shimray DK, 87 available. Greg Dortch, 91 available. Those are the receivers that you're looking at there. Tight end. It's. Brenton Strange doesn't make the cut, old man. Sorry. 80 available. And he would probably be the only one. I don't know if I've got a tight end that's available in 85 of leagues. Yeah, you're not. I wouldn't recommend Brock. Right. I'm sorry.

[Adam]

Oh, Colby Parkinson, Kaseki, Kasiki. Makasiki.

[Jamie]

Yeah, his. His games without T. Higgins last year. Yeah.

[Dave]

That's fair. That's fair, right?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Yeah, he's interesting and he.

[Dave]

I would start Kosiki over Brock Wright.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And Parkinson is interesting too, because he's been on this solid streak lately.

[Adam]

Oh, Taysom Hill, non ppr.

[Dave]

Yeah. If you want to go for a guy that might score a touchdown, Taysom is in line for that, too. Look at you. Maybe you should be the one doing the deep league pickups, old man.

[Adam]

Good old Gunner Helm has played the same AM snaps is Okonkwo 2 games.

[Dave]

Sounds like what your name might be.

[Adam]

What? Good old Gunner Helm.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

As the Prospector. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah, there are some crappy deep league tight ends that we could make a case for sure. Who's the best one? Gasicki.

[Dave]

Well, I mean, Brenton Strange should. Oh, yeah, you should pledge the rules and put him at the top of the list. Yeah, because I'm not gonna go get. Get sicky just because the old man said so when Brenton Strange is out there.

[Adam]

No, but Kasiki, Taysom Hill, Gunner Helm, Colby Parkinson, Brock Wright. You know who'?

[Dave]

I think I have Parkinson ranked the highest of those guys.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I'll take a second. As long as Higgins is up.

[Adam]

Okay. All right.

[Dave]

If Kisiki is going to have a big game, then what does that mean for Yoshibas?

[Jamie]

I mean, have you seen Joe Burrow against the Ravens lately.

[Dave]

Yes. Like last year. It's pretty good. It's a good point.

[Adam]

Well, look, it's. It's a different Joe Burrow. Maybe it's a different Ravens. That so totally true. No, look, you. It could be. They could both be good. One of them could be good. You don't know. But you have an opportunity here for Yoshivas and Gasicki to. To come through for you. And who's the IDP, Dave?

[Dave]

Oh, Isaiah McDuffie in Green Bay. Assuming that Quay Walker remains out for the packers last two weeks, he's been great on the tackle front, taking on the Lions. There's going to be a lot of opportunities for him to tackle in that matchup. So McDuffie is someone that you can go after.

[Adam]

Oh, what a roller coaster last night for Brock Purdy. Managers, huh? Started looking pretty good. Interception number one. Interception number two. Interception number three. And he delivers a dud. Disappointing San Francisco 20, Carolina 9. Hmm. So purdy. Yeah. Okay, you're going to go back to Purdy.

[Jamie]

Took a page out of Pete Carroll's book and just stupidity at the goal line. Why?

[Adam]

Because he went. Play action, run the ball. Why? Play action works all the time.

[Jamie]

Oh, it worked really well last night.

[Adam]

He could have run it in. He didn't have to throw an interception.

[Dave]

Had a clear pathway to run it in. Steady 3.

[Jamie]

Give the ball to Rico Doddle. That's all you got to do. You're on the road. You have a chance to tie the game. Give the ball to Rico. Down.

[Adam]

I don't know. I mean, it was first down, right?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

So they could have obviously run the ball on second down or third down or fourth down, or you throw an.

[Jamie]

Interception because your quarterback's five foot nine.

[Adam]

Well, I don't think he. I. I don't think Canal has called an interception on that, but I don't think he said please.

[Jamie]

I don't think he did either. But he put his team in. In a bad spot by not running the damn football.

[Adam]

Oh, man. I strongly disagree with you. I think this is on because the.

[Jamie]

Results worked out well in your favor.

[Adam]

This is on Bryce Young. This isn't on, Dave.

[Dave]

Totally on Bryce Young.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Dave]

100 on Bryce.

[Adam]

I mean, you wanted him to run the ball. The whole stadium probably thought they were going to run the ball.

[Jamie]

And. And you run it.

[Adam]

I don't know. You have four opportunities down there. I think it's okay to mix in a pass, but. All right, anyway, back to reality for Tedro and McMillan. He did catch a, a nice touchdown pass, but still had a bad game, 86 start. I mean it was, it was just Bryce Young.

[Jamie]

What was your decision again? Tetera? Russell?

[Adam]

I don't know.

[Jamie]

Was it Pierce?

[Adam]

No, I, that wasn't a real.

[Dave]

I thought Jameson was part of it.

[Jamie]

I couldn't remember.

[Adam]

Not for me this week. I mean, I don't think so. McMillan was, I don't, I don't know. Michael Wilson, maybe. I don't remember. I started McMillan, obviously, like most people did. All right, Jamie, give me your thoughts on the, on the Panthers. And then Dave on the Niners.

[Jamie]

This was the fear with Bryce Young, right? He's coming off a great game against Atlanta. We saw the matchup, how good it could be and this is why it's hard to trust him in anything more than super flex or two quarterback leagues consistently. So I think that really the thing that, that bothered me a little bit was a little too much to behold, you know. So after Rico had been playing so well and doing such fantastic things and they talked a little bit about, you know, Hubbard said he may have come back too soon from the calf injury, so maybe now he's finally getting healthy. I don't know. I think just in the case of what you have with the Panthers, there's two guys you're going to consider starting on a week to week basis. Rico's obvious you're not going to get away from him anytime soon. And McMillan, I think you just got to treat as a low end number two receiver, you know, somebody that should be in your lineups in three receiver leagues for sure, depending on who else you have for two receiver leagues. It was great that he's caught a touchdown. The drop was horrible that he had fifth drop of the season. So he's just making some rookie mistakes at times. But it's really just, I think for me, Bryce Young, you know, is he going to ever put him in situations where he's going to consistently win to the point where you're like, okay, yeah, it's completely safe no matter what. So McMillan, low end, number two receiver, rest of way, Doddle still number two running back. I think just safer to call him that as opposed to slam dunk number one mustard guy. With what Hubbard did last night and may continue to do.

[Adam]

Yeah. And they're facing the Rams. Then they have a buy at the Saints where He already ran 18 times for 53 yards. Did score a touchdown two weeks ago. And then Tampa Bay, Seattle in week 17. It's not the best schedule for Rico Dowdle Dave, your thoughts on the Niners? Brock Purdy goes from 25.3 fantasy points last week to 9.3 this week and 6 point for passing touchdown leagues.

[Dave]

If we're going to criticize Bryce Young for his decisions, then we should definitely criticize Brock Purdy for his. And just some of the throws that he made that were intercepted just didn't look right. And so I'm, I'm, I'm curious to go back and watch and try and figure out what he saw in the coverages and whether or not his arm strength was the same as it was last week. Because I thought he looked amazing last week and then on Monday he just didn't look quite as good. I think there will be some trepidation in starting him against Cleveland. That is going to be an aggressive defense. Obviously I don't think he's going to be able to throw the ball all over the place. Not that it's going to slow you down from starting George Kittle, nor should it slow you down from starting Juwan Jennings. He's. As long as he's playing and not suspended, I think the opportunity will be there for him to be a number three receiver. I don't see how anybody can trust Ricky Pierce. While it's been two games. It's not like they've eased him back in. He's had a route run rate north of 80% each of the last few games. It might be even 85. So practically in every down player, not a lot of targets, not doing a lot with them. I mean we're talking very low fantasy points. There's, there's going to be a bunch of other receivers, a bunch of receivers that we name today that you're going to be able to find off the waiver wire and start over Ricky Pearsall. And that'll beg the question, do you cut Ricky Pierso? I think that's much easier to do in a 10 team league, in a 12 team league. I, I don't necessarily hate it but I, I might hesitate to do it if there is a suspension coming for Juwan Jennings.

[Adam]

Right, right. Okay. Just here's a quote from Brock Purdy. He said honestly, the decisions of going to those spots I was fine with. It's just the execution of throwing a better ball. I feel like on really all of them I needed to just drive the ball a little bit more. I kept it up in the air too long on multiple of them.

[Dave]

Them saved me the time from watching the clips. So now we know that even he said that he should have thrown the ball harder. If this was his first game back from injury, I would have been very concerned. But the fact that he had a better game the week before, I'm. I'm a little less concerned. He's. He's going to be in that low end, number one, high end, number two quarterback range against Cleveland, but probably closer to number two than number one.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I would set him this week just based on the Browns.

[Adam]

Right.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

I wonder how he's done in cold weather. Also, I feel like it's not going to be.

[Dave]

I mean, he played his college football in Iowa, so I'm sure he's seen his fair share.

[Adam]

Yeah. And he barely got drafted.

[Dave]

I know he's from Arizona, but he's. He's got experience in cold weather.

[Jamie]

Oh, boy.

[Adam]

I just realized I don't have my phone on me. I was gonna check the weather. Oh, I feel so naked. Sorry for the image. All right, that's the end of that game. No, no, no, no, no. Oh, wait, that's Thursday. Never mind. Drop o meter, 0 to 10. I'm just going to throw this guy out there just so you can say zero. Okay. Because people might ask Mark Andrews.

[Jamie]

He's facing the Bengals.

[Dave]

Yeah, you can't do it this week.

[Adam]

And two of the next three weeks. He's facing the Bengals.

[Dave]

Yeah, you can't do it. Zero.

[Adam]

I think Pittsburgh struggles against tight ends, too, and that's in the. In between those games. Kyle Pitts at the jets this week, 10:12k Dotten against Arizona, 0 1. Why, if you're thinking Bridgewater might start Otten, you know, with Godwin back, does he not feel a little expendable now?

[Dave]

He's a little expendable and I would rather start strange than not in this week. And you can make a case for Schultz over Otten this week, but I would imagine that this offense is going to be schemed down quite a bit to make short easy throws for Teddy.

[Jamie]

B. Buffalo and the Rams and back to back games like.

[Adam]

Yeah, I'm sorry, someone say Johnny Airport says I'm a nudist.

[Jamie]

I mean Thomas.

[Adam]

Yeah, Thomas. All right, how about Dallas Goddard? 0 to 10 5.

[Dave]

Yeah, he's in that same range for me as Otten.

[Adam]

Romeo. Sorry, Romeo Dobbs.

[Dave]

It's okay.

[Jamie]

If Reed is back, then it's a 10 4.

[Adam]

Jordan Love at Detroit Thursday.

[Dave]

Oh, yeah. I'm not starting love. So if he's your backup quarterback, you can probably drop him. Let's call him a seven.

[Adam]

Daniel Jones, Houston, then at Jacksonville, then at Seattle.

[Dave]

I don't. I. I might start him against Jacksonville and he had a pretty good game, all things considered. Well, he had a good half against Kansas City.

[Jamie]

Scored 20 points.

[Dave]

Yeah, I know. So he. He had an okay game.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Two.

[Dave]

Yeah, I'm gonna say five.

[Adam]

I feel bad for Daniel Jones. He tried so hard to throw an interception in that game, and they just wasn't working out for him. Thomas wearing only a man bun.

[Dave]

We're definitely not winning the 64 tournament now.

[Adam]

Baker Mayfield, drop o meter.

[Dave]

We don't know how long he's out for. If we get word that he's gonna miss three, four weeks. It's. It's like an eight.

[Adam]

Yeah. The word is that he's not. That he's a short term injury. So Jamie says zero. Alec Pierce against Houston, zero.

[Jamie]

Zero.

[Adam]

Really?

[Dave]

I don't want to start him this week. Yeah, but I don't.

[Jamie]

It's Jacksonville next week.

[Adam]

Yeah. And Jacksonville twice in the last five games.

[Dave]

For.

[Adam]

For Indianapolis. Rashid Shahid, 10 12. Basil Tutin, 2.

[Dave]

Like 3. Unless you've got ETN and then 0.

[Adam]

Would you drop Tutin for Rodriguez and Neil?

[Dave]

If he's my worst running back, then yes.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Dave]

Unless I have ETN, I want to carry those two together.

[Adam]

Xavier Worthy, smaller leagues.

[Dave]

He's like a 6.

[Jamie]

0 until we find out what Rice's injuries.

[Adam]

Oh, okay. Good point. And Ramandre Stevenson, Giants this week. Here come the Giants.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's another. How. How different is he from Neil and Rodriguez? Maybe he won't get as much work as Helen Rodriguez. Yeah, well, it was his first game back. He's coming back from turf toe. Maybe that goes up. I don't. I don't want it to go up. Let's give him three on the drop.

[Jamie]

Like Stevenson could still be a starter.

[Dave]

You can still get you 3.2 yards per carry and maybe plop into the end zone.

[Adam]

But. But if he's just a. Handcuff those guys again.

[Jamie]

You know, the, the situation you presented. If you're picking up Neil or Rodriguez, then you're dropping Stevenson. You need a wide receiver. A wide receiver. You're dropping those guys, those type of players.

[Adam]

He's 86 roster. That's high for someone. If he's just. But he's also a goal lineback. I mean, or at least he was in week 12.

[Dave]

They had three different goal linebacks on Sunday.

[Adam]

They did. I. I feel like he led them.

[Dave]

In goal line, but it was like 2 to 1 to 1, something like that. They also had eight plays inside the five to try and score on Cincinnati and they couldn't.

[Adam]

I missed this and I am sorry but Jacob texted me last night because he. We have talked so much about Ken Walker's goal line role. I didn't realize he had a carry from the two yard line in this past game. Did not get in. He got, he lost yardage. But no, that's very significant and I'm sorry I missed that on beyond the box score. But you know, everything about the role for Ken walker in week 12 was, was pretty encouraging. More passing, game work, carry at the two yard line. That's good stuff. All right, to the waiver wire. Anything we've missed here? Jacoby Brissette is a must add. He's facing Tampa Bay and they've been really bad against quarterbacks. Trevor Lawrence, he's got Tennessee and they're a really good matchup.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Adam]

I mean Jamie, you were saying last week I kind of like Sam Darnold. This week he's facing Tennessee. Well now that's Trevor Lawrence. And how would you compare Lawrence to Tua and Stroud and Ward?

[Jamie]

Much better, much better. I mean, you know, again he had his Jekyll and Hyde game as you could possibly find for any quarterback. Three interceptions, three touchdowns. Like at times he looked absolutely lost and at times he looked great. And so maybe getting Brian Thomas back this week, that's the certainly a plus. No matter what you think of Thomas, it helps Lawrence. So with what Jacoby Myers started to look like, Parker Washington's been a pretty constant, you know, source of production for him.

[Dave]

Yeah, really good source.

[Jamie]

And so, you know, I think just looking at, at this scenario here, Lawrence would be top of the list by far.

[Adam]

Someone's asking in the chat, soda pop saying can't. I can't believe I'm asking this, but Jacoby Brissette or Lamar Jackson? Brissette at Tampa Bay. Jackson getting Cincinnati.

[Jamie]

I can't sit Lamar against the Bengals.

[Dave]

I can. Yeah, I started Brissette over Lamar last week in the league. I had it that way in my rankings. I'm doing it again this week. Lamar's not the same guy.

[Adam]

Okay. I'm gonna, I'm not gonna linger on quarterback, but I think in the two quarterback leagues, Max Brosmer, Teddy Bridgewater, Shadur Sanders, I'll throw, I'll throw Kirk Cousins in there.

[Jamie]

There's a bunch of guys to Rod Taylor. Kirk Cousins, like you know who your top two. There's a lot of guys that can get you 201. Who your top two and two QB leagues.

[Adam]

Yeah. Of these. Even if it's of these kind of scrubby quarterbacks.

[Jamie]

For me it's Brosmer and Teddy simply because of the offenses that they plan. Like, I know Sanders had a touchdown. That was Dylan Sampson doing the majority of the work. And he's probably gonna have to throw more against San Francisco. Look what San Francisco just did to, you know, Bryce Young was coming off a big game. Like I can't trust him to. Rod is fine, but we're talking about a receiving core where John Mechi is the best option. Like I'm hopeful that it's Kevin o'. Connell. Maybe this is the guy that he's going to work his magic with as opposed to the guy that was a first round pick for them. So I'll take my chances there and I'll take my chances with the guy throwing to Abuka and, and Godwin and Kate Otten in that system too. So I'll just take those two guys. For me.

[Dave]

I agree with Brosmer. He's a strictly solid thrower, though he doesn't have great arm strength. He's a good anticipatory thrower. That's something that will absolutely help ye. Like it's gonna happen. I'm just worried that it's going to be too many like 12 yard dig routes and not a lot of explosive plays. And we've seen so many explosive plays from this Vikings offense over the last three years. It's. I just feel like it's going to be missing and when things break down in the pocket. Brosmers hasn't been good and he's going to be playing without two starting offensive linemen. Presumably that's a problem. So he, he's at the top of my list too. But I'm not expecting great things. And the only reason why I might even consider Cousins over Bridgewater is because I know Cousins is going to be the starter of the rest of the season and he just had a pretty decent game without Drake London. Drake London's going to be back soon and that could be. That's a pretty good receiving core having Drake London on top of the other guys that they've gotten Atlanta, the running backs catching the ball out of the backfield. Cousins didn't totally embarrass himself. So there's, there's enough there where I think I might give the nudge to Cousins over Bridgewater.

[Adam]

Yeah. And a guy we usually talk about in this context is Marcus Mariota. But against Denver, just you can't do it.

[Jamie]

And then Daniels could return the weekend yeah.

[Adam]

All right, running backs. So would you rather. Man, would you rather have, like, Donovan Knight or Devin Neal? Chris Rodriguez?

[Jamie]

You got to put the other two overnight just because of Trey Benson's impending return.

[Adam]

But you'd rather have Trey Benson than those guys.

[Jamie]

Oh, yes. Okay.

[Dave]

Would you. Do I need a starter, or am I just trying to bulk up depth on my bench?

[Adam]

Say you need a speaker.

[Dave]

Yeah. Knight is the one that I would want to start. I just. We know that if Benson's back, it's over. You can't really trust Sonoma Knight.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Dave]

I don't know.

[Adam]

You can't really trust them much now.

[Dave]

You can't. But at least we've seen it. And his offense is, I'd say, significantly better than what's going on in New Orleans and a little bit better than what's going on in Washington with Mariota. Yeah. So if I. I would. I would want night first, I'd want to try and get two of the three if I'm in dire straits at running back. But night first, and then if I miss out on Neil and Rodriguez, I don't think it's the end of the world. I just have to pivot to Singletary. Taje Spears every.

[Jamie]

Every week of the season since James Connor has gone down, a running back for the Cardinals has scored 9.4 PPR points or more every week.

[Adam]

Yeah. My issue with Knight is that, first of all, he's running like crap lately. But also, if you don't like 10, Kanye might be hurt if D Mark and he might be hurt d Mercado if he comes back. He was running better than night, too, that.

[Jamie]

Listen, one of them will get you 9.4 points. I can't tell you which one it will be, but one of them will.

[Dave]

If DeMarcado is good to go, then you don't have to make a crazy priority for Neil or Rodriguez because you can just get D. Mercado in case of emergency.

[Adam]

I'll tell you, it's a great matchup this week. It's the Raiders running back. If Genti were out, would Most Dirt be ranked ahead of Devin Neal or Chris Rodriguez?

[Jamie]

Yes, if you're just looking for one week, yes. Okay.

[Adam]

We are confident that Mostert would get the. The bulk of the work.

[Jamie]

I mean, look, it's a new coordinator, so you never know. But, you know, the other options would be Zamir White and Dylan Lobby. Like, I can't imagine that they don't go to Mostert.

[Dave]

And Moster might actually be able to elude defenders a Little better than Genti. It could be close between those two, but we've seen Moster play with shiftiness throughout his entire career. So just thinking off the top of my head.

[Jamie]

Shifty, right?

[Dave]

Shifty. There's an F in there. Thank you.

[Adam]

Yes. Someone's in the chat saying, adam, can we play who has more? Yeah, if you have one, go for it. I'll read it. Unless it's inappropriate. Jaleel McLaughlin is also on the list. Devin Singletary is on the list. I'll throw out Isaiah Pacheco. If you need four points, then you know Dylan Sampson. Now we don't know. Forget it. All right, moving on to wide receivers. Terry McLaurin, Christian Watts. Who's your favorite of this shallow league group? Jamie McLaurin, Violet Christian Watson, Parker Washington. Chris Godwin, McLaurin.

[Dave]

McLaurin. Long term Washington if it's for this week.

[Adam]

Okay. And then this big, this group of Yoshivas. Give me on the excited to start. O meter 0 to 10. Andre Yoshavis at Baltimore 65. Shimray DK against Jacksonville 6 4. Jaden Higgins at Indianapolis 4.

[Dave]

5.

[Adam]

John Metchie against Atlanta 5.

[Dave]

Six and a half.

[Adam]

Jaden Reed at Detroit Skip. I'm sorry. Greg dorch at Tampa Bay 6.

[Dave]

It might be 7 if we are. If we know for sure that Marvin's out.

[Jamie]

Yeah. My two favorites from this week to start would be Yoshavas and Dorchester.

[Adam]

Oh God, I wish I had some amazing stat or something to put clarity into this situation.

[Jamie]

But Keith will be here twice tomorrow to help with your stats.

[Adam]

Ranking these five feels like a little bit of a toss up. Not a little bit, but it's very much.

[Jamie]

I mean this is now two shows we've had this conversation. Like there's. There's a lot to like about these guys. There's a lot to be concerned about these guys. And it's short term, long term. Again, you know, if you were to say right now, no Marvin Harrison, you can make a case that Dort should be number one based on what he's done the last two weeks and his matchup. You can make a case that you know Yoshavas without T. Higgins there. He's had three games with seven targets so far this season. He's averaging over 13 PPR points in those three games. He's coming off a. A 10 point game, but he still had seven targets last week and now he's getting burrow and all three of those games were with Flacco. So you're getting a quarterback upgrade in the Case of Mechi, he scored two touchdowns the last two weeks but 10 targets and it's to Rod Taylor. So there's a lot to like because he looks like the number one guy there. There's a lot to be concerned about because there's a reason why John Met. He's bounced around to I believe it's not four teams in his career. So all of these guys have a lot of paths to success. You know dk, you mentioned it. The. The three games where he's been involved, he's been successful and two of them. But now maybe IO Manor comes back and that could be a problem for him too. And still a rookie wide receiver with a rookie quarterback. So I don't think you should look at these guys and say again, I'm spending a lot of fab or I'm trusting them as must start receivers. But when we get to the three receiver leagues, you take Mechi, you take Torch, you take Yoshavas. At least for this week. Those feel like the safest bets. And then DK and Higgins probably still more long term situations. The Colts secondary is good like Jaden Higgins and and for what it's worth the majority of his production. I know C.J. stroud's better than Davis Mills, but it's come with Davis Mills. Yeah. And we also coming off a game where Nico Collins was banged up and didn't do very much.

[Adam]

So I'm going to give you one more name here just for comparison's sake because someone brought it up in the chat. I think it's a good one. Now he's 83 rostered on our website, but on sleeper on Yahoo. On ESPN, he's between 50 and 63 rostered. Troy Franklin. Do you like Franklin better than all.

[Jamie]

Better than all these guys?

[Dave]

Absolutely. Yes.

[Adam]

Yes.

[Jamie]

Especially against Washington. Yeah.

[Adam]

Okay. Dorch. You know, I just want to bring up he. He's had two good games in a row. One of them was garbage time. His target, his target share in the last two games for Deutsch has been 11 and 20. One of those we can live with. 20 is good. 11 is terrible. But you know, and I would be.

[Dave]

Scared that it'll be lower than 11 if Marvin plays.

[Adam]

Yeah, no.

[Jamie]

Oh no one's starting even consider him if Marvin plays. But if. If we're looking at the same receiving core right now. Like Michael Wilson's a monster and Greg Dortch is a baby monster.

[Dave]

Oh, cute little baby monster. Look at him with his shifty moves and hands. Hey, you could make the move for Dorch. Off waivers and then still probably find one or two of these other wide receivers, if not most of these other wide receivers. Yeah, if Marvin comes back.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's exciting. I mean the most rostered of them all is Yosef is at 29%. So widely available guys here.

[Dave]

Yeah. I also know how many of them that you're going to be excited to start this week, even in a three receiver league.

[Jamie]

That's what I'm saying. To me, there's. There's three and it's Yoshavas because of the Higgins absence in Boroughback. It's Mechi because of what he's done the last two weeks in his matchup against Atlanta and his torch. I think in the case of DK and Higgins, like I still want to pick them up, but I don't necessarily want to start now. DK's matchup's great, but you have still questions just because he hasn't done. Done it consistently. And for Higgins, he's been solid for the last month, but this Colts defense I think is.

[Dave]

Is outside corners or studs, man.

[Jamie]

Yeah, well, all of them. I mean Kenny Moore too. It's like they're. They're three, they're three cornerbacks. You make cases. The best trio in the league.

[Adam]

Yeah. All right. So would you drop Tess Johnson for one of the fab five?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Dave]

I don't know about all the fab five, but I would drop him to add Deutsch and then pivot later if need be.

[Jamie]

Like I'm, I'm starting the way I'm.

[Dave]

Going to think about these.

[Jamie]

I'm starting those three guys over Tez Johnson that I mentioned, Yoshavas, Dorch and Mechi. And then I'd much rather stash at this point the two young guys and in their situations now that God was back. I know Johnson scored last week, but I'm not counting on him to be.

[Adam]

Consistent and that's about it. Oh, Darnell Mooney, if London were out, would. How would Darnell Mooney against the jets at the jets rank with the five guys.

[Jamie]

I put him behind them on the list because of the potential London return. And yes, he did score last week, but it was, you know, I don't say fluky, but, you know, the targets weren't there. Right. So he went from seven plus targets and back to back games to. What was it? Three. Three.

[Dave]

Three targets, three catches, one.

[Jamie]

It's. It's not something you want to, I think hang your hat on. That being said, you saw what he could be with without the competition there.

[Adam]

All right, tight ends, you got. Who's your favorite? Oh, Juwan Johnson's your favorite. K Dot and Juwan Johnson, Theo Johnson, Harold Fannin. Actually, we haven't talked about Fannin. How's, how, how's Harold Fannin, who's the only Cleveland receiver who played more than, I don't know, 6, 60 of the snap, something like that. He was on the field almost the entire game. And Fannin versus Schultz and Strange. Dave, how would you factor him in?

[Dave]

I'd rather start Strange and Schultz.

[Adam]

Jamie agree?

[Jamie]

Yeah, sure. It, I, I think Fanon, I struggled with putting him on the list just because three straight games of down production you're seeing what shirt or Sanders, like, you know, they're taking him off the field for wildcat scenarios. Like they're not trusting him yet. Understandably so. That being said, this is now going to be a game where they could be chasing points. I don't think they're going to be the type of team that's going to get blown out. So you're getting a lot of garbage time passes from Sanders or eventually Dylan Gabriel, if they go back to him. I hope they don't. But, you know, 20 pass attempts for Sanders, like, you're probably looking at 30 tops. I, I think on a given week. And while Fanon should lead them in targets, it's not like he's been that dominant of a fantasy option or even a real life option that you could say I'm starting him over X, Y and Z. Like you can make a case for so many guys. So I think in the case of Fanon, I have him ranked like around 15th this week. Strange ahead of him, Schultz ahead of him, Juwan Johnson ahead of him. Like there's lots of guys. I think that you could still be looking at his waiver wire options. Theo Johnson, another one that, that you have a little bit more confidence. And for me, I know I'm probably in, in the minority here. I would rather take a chance on Gaseki without Higgins there than I would on Harold Fanning this week.

[Adam]

Okay, so the top two priorities are Strange and Schultz, Colson, Loveland, Coulson. Loveland's been solid. I mean, seven or more fantasy points and four straight games and two, nine.

[Jamie]

And a half and three of four since he had the breakout game.

[Adam]

Yeah, and, and two, like big games in there. One was at the Bengals, the other was caught the touchdown on Sunday against Pittsburgh. Philadelphia is really good against them.

[Dave]

They are, but Chicago's catching them at a good time.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Adam]

Good point.

[Dave]

All the injuries that they have. We talked about that earlier in the show.

[Adam]

Kasiki, five games without Higgins. Here are his fantasy points. 4.8, 16.1, 12.3, 27 and 7. And that was last year.

[Jamie]

13 point something.

[Adam]

That's pretty good.

[Dave]

Three big ones, two bad ones. Do we count last week.

[Jamie]

In four of those? He had six plus targets.

[Adam]

Last week was not included. He had four catches for 35 yards on six targets, which isn't terrible. But also he didn't have Joe Burrow. But yeah, Darren, it's risky.

[Jamie]

It's absolutely risky. But again, there's a sample size of what we saw last year with Joe Burrow, plus a Ravens team, especially if Kyle Hamlet doesn't play.

[Dave]

Right. I was just about to bring that up.

[Jamie]

Like that could be huge.

[Dave]

That that would swing it for me for sure. Because the one thing I've really stuck to with this Ravens defense is their past defense has been pretty good ever since they acquired Gilman from the Chargers. And if Hamilton's out, that's a guy that they use in a ton of ways. But one of the ways that they do use them is against athletic tight ends like Kasiki. So got tight ends that are more receiver than blocker. And Gasicki is best basically a glorified receiver. Just a big dude. And so I would imagine that Hamilton would be on him a lot if he's out. That does open the door for Hamilton to get some attractive targets for Gasicki.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

All right.

[Dave]

Yeah, I'm sorry I said Hamilton.

[Adam]

We also have Waller, who again, might not play this week. We have Taysom Hill who's getting carries. He's not getting any catches. But 10 carries. Not all short yardage situations either. Just legit carries.

[Jamie]

And two past attempts last week, too.

[Adam]

Yeah, true. Gunner Helm. Gunner Helm had a big game and he's starting to play more. And Jacksonville is his matchup and they are 31st against tight ends.

[Jamie]

Career or career? You know, season high. But rookie season, Snapchat last week and 12 targets in his last two games. So they're clearly getting him more involved. I think also to your point about dk, if IO Manor plays, that's just another mouth to feed in the offense that maybe impacts him a little bit because they have been running a lot of tall personnel. But what Helm is doing, what Okonkwo is doing, like they're leaning on their Titans, which makes sense. You know, when you look at this receiving chords, you know, Van Jefferson was a dud last week, restrep roll played but didn't do very much. You know, I, I think if you're the Titans, like, this is the perfect opportunity to feature Helm, the future dk, feature Iron man or see what you have. And I think Helm is benefiting the most. So he's not a bad, you know, pivot play, deep league option.

[Dave]

They're featuring Cam Ward. That's exactly what they should be doing.

[Adam]

Okay. And Colby Parkinson. Three straight games with a touchdown. Not a lot of targets there.

[Dave]

Nope. But he. The Rams are catching the Panthers, like there's a bad time to catch the Panthers. But Carolina's defense is just so beat up and they played on Monday. They are in a terrible spot. The Rams are going to be able to do whatever they want. Stafford is my number one QB this week.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Adam]

And DSTs, Chargers, Jaguars, Falcons, Niners, Dolphins. Kickers Kaimi Fairbairn, Brandon McManus, Mike Badgley, Jake Elliott, Chad Ryland, Steve Holt. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Thanks so much.

[Jamie]

No, twice.

[Adam]

You don't remember that, Dave. Steve Holt.

[Dave]

Steve Holt.

[Adam]

Jamie. Steve Holt.

[Jamie]

No.

[Adam]

Schaefer knows. Oh, let's go ahead. And it's a rest of development. Let's go ahead and show Dave's concoction to keep the sun out.

[Dave]

Do you call this a concoction?

[Adam]

ABCs.

[Dave]

I told you, my wife's a preschool teacher.

[Adam]

That's so funny.

[Dave]

And so basically what I did to block out the sun is I put it on top of the camera. You can see the little camera there. So now it's on top of it. And it worked like a charm.

[Adam]

It's working. Wow, that's great. I can't ABC any of the sun. One of the suggested punishments if the Giants lose is for me to eat pumpkin pie on camera.

[Dave]

Done.

[Adam]

Fine.

[Dave]

And if you don't, I will.

[Adam]

All right, everybody, we'll talk to you tomorrow twice. Yes, in the morning and then probably 9pm Eastern with our a traditional Thursday show.

[Dave]

Have a great day. Talk to you soon.

[Adam]

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[Jamie]

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[Adam]

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[Jamie]

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[Dave]

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[Adam]

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