Waiver Wire! Colby Parkinson, Jayden Reed, Michael Carter, Risky QB Options (12/16 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Waiver Wire! Colby Parkinson, Jayden Reed, Michael Carter, Risky QB Options
Date: December 16, 2025
Hosts/Analysts: Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamie Eisenberg

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Overview

This episode focuses on Week 16 fantasy football waiver wire priorities, with special attention to the unpredictable quarterback landscape, injury-ravaged running back situations, and surging tight end options. Dave, Jamie, and Adam break down top waiver recommendations, examine risky yet enticing QB matchups, and provide actionable advice for different league depths as listeners gear up for their fantasy playoffs semifinals.

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Waiver Wire Priorities: Overarching Themes

• Quarterbacks You Don’t Trust... but Must Consider: Several QBs with excellent matchups are available—including Gardner Minshew, Bryce Young, Tyler Shough, Kirk Cousins, and J.J. McCarthy—but all come with volatility.
• Running Back Carnage: With injuries piling up, backs like Michael Carter, Jacory Merritt, and Audric Estime become high-priority adds.
• Tight End Streamer Boom: Colby Parkinson leads a week flush with appealing (but risky) plug-and-play tight ends.
• Defensive Streaming is Tricky: Saints D/ST is a top streamer, but options are thinner than in previous weeks.
• Broader Strategy: Be mindful of your opponents’ needs—blocking them on the wire can be critical in the playoffs.

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Segment Highlights with Timestamps

Top Waiver Priorities (04:27 – 07:39)

• Jamie’s top three:

  1. Michael Carter
  2. Colby Parkinson
  3. Jayden Reed

• Dave’s top three:

  1. Michael Carter (emphasizing volume and matchup)
  2. Colby Parkinson (“Five touchdowns since Week 10, 37.8% red zone target share—he’s their huggy bear at tight end.” – 06:20)
  3. Luther Burden (if he plays; high upside, especially with Odunze potentially out)

“It's very much a get what you need type of week or a get what your opponent needs type of week.” – Dave (05:37)

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Quarterbacks: Risk and Opportunity (18:54 – 23:18)

A unique week with multiple low floor/high ceiling plays:

• Jamie’s order:

  1. Gardner Minshew (@TEN)
  2. Bryce Young (vs TB)
  3. Tyler Shough (@NYJ)
  4. Kirk Cousins (@ARI)
  5. J.J. McCarthy (vs NYG)

• Dave is highest on J.J. McCarthy:
  “26 fantasy points each of the last two games. The Giants have allowed at least 21 fantasy points to seven of the past nine QBs.” (20:23)

• Both note: These are “boom or bust” options. Starting any of them is as much about comfort with ceiling vs. floor as it is pure matchup.

Other QB insights:

• Tua Tagovailoa and Aaron Rodgers are mentioned as riskier plays than the above five.
• Trevor Lawrence in Denver and Jordan Love at Chicago: possible sits for risky but high-upside streamers.

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Running Backs: Sorting through the Rubble (24:07 – 27:20)

• Top Add: Michael Carter (14:1 touch share last week, Arizona's likely lead back)

• Tier drop after Carter:

  • Jacory Merritt (vs PHI): “If the chips are down... he might not get many opportunities”—Dave
  • Audric Estime (“Could lead Saints, but committee is a concern”)
  • Jawhar Jordan: Monitor Woody Marks’ status; immediate value if Marks sits.

• Critical note: “Running back is so thin, you want the guy guaranteed volume, even if the matchup isn't pristine.” – Jamie (09:06)

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Wide Receivers: Scratching for Upside (25:44 – 27:45)

• Jaden Reed is the safest add, especially if Christian Watson is out (05:00)
• Luther Burden, if healthy, carries the most upside (06:45)
• Jalen Coker (vs TB): Back-to-back TD games, “not a bad WR3 play”
• Adonai Mitchell and Troy Franklin: Viable if desperate or monitoring injuries.

“This is a week where you look everywhere for help... even defense or another QB. But Reed is the best receiver to go get.” – Jamie (05:07)

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Tight Ends: Colby Parkinson Mania (27:58 – 29:12)

• Colby Parkinson (Rams) @ SEA:
  • “Since Week 10, 37.8% red zone target share, five TDs. Huge opportunity here.”—Dave (06:32; 10:39)
  • “Everything spiked after Adams left... Now you get a matchup he's already scored in.” – Jamie (10:50)
• Colston Loveland and Brenton Strange: Good pivots in deeper leagues.
• Darren Waller, Kyle Pitts still strong—check for their availability.
• Context: Parkinson preferred over streaming options like Harold Fannin Jr. or Theo Johnson based on usage and scoring chance.

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DST Streamers & Kickers (30:23 – 33:40)

• DST:
  1. Saints (favorite streamer vs struggling Jets)
  2. Vikings and Lions: Viable, but not inspiring.
  3. Chiefs, 49ers, Bills: Grab them if available, but may be rostered.

“The Saints have top five upside. Great opportunity this week.” – Jamie (30:23)

• Kickers:
  1. Eddie Pineiro (vs IND)
  2. Zane Gonzalez (vs ARI)
  3. Andres Borregales (vs BAL)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It’s one of those weeks: a lot of QBs who make you nervous, but the matchups are so good, you have to consider it.” — Adam (04:15)
• “If you want to take a chance on Luther Burden... it’s easier this week because WR is so thin on the wire.” — Dave (07:39)
• “You should always look at your opponent’s roster and block—don’t even hesitate.” — Jamie (07:39)
• “Parkinson is their huggy bear at tight end.” — Dave (10:39)
• “Michael Carter is a volume play, not a layup, but at RB, volume rules.” — Jamie (09:06)
• “There are 15 tight ends each week you can make a strong case for—or against.” — Jamie (37:12)

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Strategic Waiver Tips (Ep. Themes)

• Don’t ignore game scripts: For RBs and QBs especially, blowouts or trailing scripts can severely hamper upside.
• Monitor injury reports: Especially at WR (Luther Burden, Christian Watson, Romo Odunze) and RB (Woody Marks, RJ Harvey).
• Roster-blocking logic: It's fair competition to pick up an opposing manager’s needed player—just no excessive “add-drop cycling” to game the waiver process (51:48).

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Detailed Priority Lists

Quarterbacks (consensus order varies by host)

• Gardner Minshew (TEN)
• Bryce Young (TB)
• Tyler Shough (NYJ)
• Kirk Cousins (ARI)
• J.J. McCarthy (NYG)

Running Backs

• Michael Carter (ARI)
• Jacory Merritt (WAS/PHI)
• Audric Estimé (NO)
• Jawhar Jordan (HOU, if Woody Marks is out)
• Deep stashes: Jaleel McLaughlin, Chris Rodriguez (if healthy)

Wide Receivers

• Jaden Reed (GB)
• Luther Burden (MIZ — monitor ankle)
• Jalen Coker (CAR)
• Adonai Mitchell, Troy Franklin (deeper)

Tight Ends

• Colby Parkinson (LAR) — “plug-and-play top 10 upside”
• Colston Loveland (MICH)
• Brenton Strange
• Arande Gadsden (if Quentin Johnston out)
• Kyle Pitts, Darren Waller (if dropped in shallow leagues)

DSTs

• Saints
• Chiefs (if available)
• Bills (if available)
• 49ers (if available)
• Vikings/Lions (deeper stream)

Kickers

• Eddie Pineiro
• Zane Gonzalez
• Andres Borregales

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Fun Moments/Listener Interaction

• Friendly banter about FFT Open semifinals and cherished league rivalries (12:58, 50:56)
• “Add/drop etiquette” debate about playoff blocking and fair play (51:32–53:28)
• Nostalgia tangent on iconic TV cars—Knight Rider, Starsky & Hutch, A-Team van (64:52–66:44)

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Closing Recap (65:46)

• Re-affirmation of priorities at each position, distinctions in approach for shallow vs. deep leagues.
• Major plug for paying attention to injuries through Thursday and Sunday.
• Reminder: check for top players who may have been dropped in shallow leagues—Pitts, Waller, Schultz, etc.

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Conclusion

This week’s waiver wire is about managing risk and upside, hunting for volume at running back, streaming tight ends with touchdown equity, and navigating murky QB waters with high-ceiling matchups. Pay special attention to your league’s and opponent’s needs: blocking can mean the difference at this stage. Be aggressive, stay nimble, and trust the volume and matchups as you press toward your fantasy championship!

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Key Quotes Highlighted with Timestamps:

• “It’s very much a get what you need type of week or a get what your opponent needs type of week.” — Dave (05:37)
• “Parkinson is their huggy bear at tight end.” — Dave (10:39)
• “If you want to take a chance on Luther Burden... it’s easier this week because WR is so thin on the wire.” — Dave (07:39)
• “There are 15 tight ends each week you can make a strong case for—or against.” — Jamie (37:12)
• “You should always look at your opponent’s roster and block—don’t even hesitate.” — Jamie (07:39)

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For Further Playoff Tools:

• Check host projections/columns midweek for final injury and depth updates.
• Remember to avoid "add-drop cycling" but aggressively block where you can.
• Revisit the Thursday and Sunday injury reports before finalizing lineups.

Good luck in your semifinals!

Transcript

[Mark]

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[Dave]

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[Jamie]

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[Mark]

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[Dave]

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[Mark]

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[Jamie]

This is gonna go the distance.

[Mark]

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[Jamie]

Who's ready to go beyond box score? Ready to talk Bill Crosky.

[Mark]

Merritt. Oh, yeah, Jacob. Jacob is so happy about Jacori Groski Merritt that he is now coming on the Waiver wire show. What's up? What's up, man? Yeah, I'm down here with Dave, down here in Florida.

[Jamie]

Pull a little switcheroo on you.

[Mark]

Oh, cool.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Mark]

Hey, who's. Who's your top waiver wire priority?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Yeah, Bill, if you can get them, probably Kirk Cousins.

[Jamie]

If you need quarterback, I would love to.

[Mark]

Our Jordan game.

[Jamie]

If. If he's in. That would be fun. Yeah, I don't.

[Mark]

I'm excited to hear you guys got.

[Jamie]

We're gonna. We're gonna hit it later on. Beyond the box score, too. Okay.

[Mark]

No, before. Before you go. I don't even know how long you're staying. Minshew, what are we thinking about Minshew this week?

[Jamie]

I don't feel great about it.

[Mark]

Dave and I were talking about it, too, like, the offensive line. I don't think there was any reason for him to rush anybody back.

[Jamie]

We've seen the Chiefs, like, when they.

[Mark]

Don'T have much to play for, they're kind of content packing it in a little bit.

[Jamie]

The matchup's obviously great, but, like, I.

[Dave]

Would just rather go with Cousins.

[Mark]

There's a lot of different areas I'd rather go.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Mark]

All right. Well, however long you want to stay on, you stay on. Today we're going to talk about basically this week is all these quarterbacks. See you later, Jacob. Thank you. These quarterbacks that we don't want to trust have really good matchups. I think that's kind of the theme here. So you've got Gardner, Minshew. Tennessee is allowed 21.7 or more fantasy points to seven of the last eight quarterbacks they've faced. You've got Bryce Young going up against Tampa Bay. Six straight quarterbacks have scored 21.3 or more fantasy points against Tampa Bay. You got Tyler Schuck going up against the jets, who just fired their defensive coordinator because their defense was so bad last week. You got Kirk cousins at Arizona. Four of the last five quarterbacks to face Arizona have thrown three touchdown passes and scored 23.1 or more fantasy points, which. Not exactly the easiest competition, but C.J. stroud was in there. And then you got J.J. mcCarthy, who's been really good for fantasy for two straight games, and the Giants are 30th against quarterbacks.

[Jamie]

So.

[Mark]

Wow. That's kind of the. That's kind of the story here. Good morning, Dave and Jamie. Dave, you look normal now.

[Dave]

Thank you. Sorry to downgrade the show.

[Mark]

And Jamie, what's up?

[Jamie]

Good morning.

[Mark]

Yeah, good morning. All right, let's get our top three waiver wire priorities for week 16, which I think the other storyline is all the running back injuries, although we think Woody Marks is going to be okay for this week. Jamie, who are your top priorities?

[Jamie]

Michael Carter would be one, Colby Parkinson would be two and Jaden Reed would be three.

[Mark]

Okay, Michael Carter's got Atlanta. Kobe Parkinson is Thursday without Devonte Adams. Not officially, but Devonte Adams has been termed week to week, so not going to play at Seattle. And I'm sorry, who's the third one?

[Jamie]

Jane Reed.

[Mark]

Jaden Reed.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Mark]

Jaden Reed at Chicago on Saturday, I think. Would you say there's a chance Christian Watson plays?

[Jamie]

It sounds like there's a chance. So just something to keep an eye on there. But I think Reed has an opportunity with Watson to still be part of this offense. Look, we're talking about, you know, trying to find help at. For me, I was just trying to find somebody every position so, you know, you can make a case that Jakory Crosby merit may be better than Jane Reed or you know, finding a defense or another quarterback. So I just look at it as like no Devonte Adams, no potential. Christian Watson like Jaden Reed to me is the best receiver to go get.

[Mark]

All right, Dave, your top three priorities.

[Dave]

It'S very much a get what you need type of week or a get what your opponent needs type of week. I agree with Jamie on the first two. Michael Carter is the number one guy to get just because running back positions thin great schedule this week and next week obviously with the Falcons and then Cincinnati after that. And he should be the lead running back for Arizona. We've got some numbers on that. Parkinson, I've got some amazing numbers on him. Why he could be like a good flex play this week. Forget about just tight end. Like of course he's a great tight end. But here, here's my favorite stat in the red zone. Since Week 10, he's had a 37.8% target share, 14 targets, 10 catches, 94 yards. We don't care about red zone yardage. Five touchdowns. Half of his catches have been touchdowns. He's run the second most red zone route since week 10 behind Devonte Adams, who's not going to play. And so that puts him really at the front of the line. Or maybe Puka moves to the front of the line and he's just right behind Puka as a big time target getter. And we know that the Seahawks struggled against tight ends for most of this year. So I think there's a huge opportunity for Colby Parkinson. I'LL I'll pivot on the third name. I'll still say Luther Burden is the best one. I don't know if there's another wide receiver that's got as much upside who could help you this week. And maybe he's stashable. The packers matchup isn't necessarily great. He's got the 49ers after that. That's a pretty decent matchup. And if, if Odunze is week to week and isn't going to play, his playing time is only going to stay where it's at. He's going to continue to see some good volume. I would start DJ Moore ahead of. Well, I'm not even ranking Burn right now because he's day to day, but it's going to be tough for me to keep DJ Moore ahead of Luther Burden if Burden practices Wednesday, Thursday looks like he's good to go. Burden has been impressive and so he's going to be third for me knowing that if he ends up crapping out, not playing, I can still go to the waiver wire and find a wide receiver that can get me in that neighborhood of 10 PPR points.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Mark]

Exactly. You don't have a lot of competition on the waiver wire. So if you want to take a chance on Luther Burden, who is day to day, whereas Romo Dunes a seems like he's more week to week, they might shut him down for a bit to get that foot right. You know, you, you can. You could. You have a better chance of pivoting to somebody because you know there's less competition for wide receivers on the waiver wire. And Dave, I think you mentioned check your opponent's roster and see what your opponent needs. Because even if you don't need someone, your opponent might and that could influence your waiver wire priority. Just a question about Michael Carter here, who had 14 carries for 56 yards and four catches for 38 yards at Houston. We saw him in Week 5 have 18 carries for 51 yards and a touchdown and five catches for 22 yards against Tennessee, but pretty much lost his job after that to Bam Knight. And I've been so unimpressed with him, but I understand the appeal. How my question is, though, Atlanta, is this really a good matchup? If you look at how they've done lately, it really hasn't been that bad. Bucky Irving was disappointing on Thursday. Ken Walker had 10 carries for 29 yards. I think Charbonnet had a better game in the passing game, especially Breeze Hall, 19 carries, 68 yards and a touchdown Just, I don't know. It seems like maybe they're not. I was like, oh, he's facing Atlanta. That's great. Then I went and looked at the. How they've done, Jamie.

[Jamie]

Not.

[Mark]

They haven't been like a sieve to running backs here.

[Jamie]

Production. It's not a layup. You know, you're talking about the volume that Carter's going to get and hopefully continued work in the passing game. And so does that. Where is that? Where maybe DeMarcado comes in now that he's got a week back of shaking off the rust. So there should be some concern there, but he's not going to run well. I mean, you're not talking about a guy that's going to go out there and average, you know, four plus yards per carry or certainly anything above that. You're talking about a guy that's hoping to get 15 to 20 total touches. And hopefully of those 15 to 20 total touches, you know, four to five of them are catches. So with how much Jacoby Brissette throws the ball, what the potential game script could be. It could be they're playing with the lead because that doesn't happen very often for Arizona. But we know Atlanta's defense hasn't been great. Could be that they're chasing points, which is typically what's happened for the majority of the nine games that Jacoby Brissette has played. I think you're just hoping that he's, for me, better than Breece hall and Quinn, Sean Judkins and Ken Walker and these guys that have really been struggling because he gets this opportunity. And so that's where I have him ranked right now.

[Mark]

Okay. Tony Pollard or Michael Carter?

[Jamie]

Carter.

[Dave]

Carter.

[Mark]

Colby Parkinson or Darren Waller against the Bengals?

[Jamie]

Parkinson right now, as of now, but.

[Dave]

They'Re both going to be top 12.

[Mark]

I think the only thing that scares me about Parkinson, you know, this has happened in the past. We get so frustrated. You pick up the trendy tight end. It's looking good.

[Dave]

Oh, it happened two days ago.

[Mark]

No, it's not that he has a bad game. Not like, likely. It's that the other tight ends do something. And they use three tight ends a lot. You know, they use Ferguson, they use Davis, Allen.

[Dave]

Yeah, but they used Parkinson the most. They really made a shift toward him. He's not playing 100 of the snaps or anything close to that, but he's. He's their huggy bear at tight end.

[Mark]

I hope. I hope.

[Jamie]

I think the fact that you just saw a game that Adams left and everything was a Season high for him. Targets, catches, yards, touchdowns. Like, everything spiked. And now you get this fantastic matchup that he's already scored a touchdown in. Like, there's a lot to love about the situation. So, yes, there. There is the comparison to Isaiah likely in that situation because it was likely against the Bengals. Then two weeks later, he was terrible against the be Bengals. But I'm. I'm just factoring in the injury here and the fact that he's got a chance here to keep this touchdown streak going and, you know, at minimum give you what he did against the Seahawks the first time around. So 2 catches, 12 yards, 14 yards, whatever it was, score. Get. Get in the end zone. It's matchup. It's opportunity. Everything's falling into his favor.

[Dave]

And if we can take a stroll down narrative street, it's a revenge game. Former Seahawk. Oh, you didn't pay me. The Rams paid me. Guess what? He's gonna. Parkinson in the end zone.

[Mark]

Yeah, twice. So I just have to bring up that Jake Ferguson did lead them and lead all tight ends and routes run last week, but that doesn't mean I'm getting away from.

[Jamie]

From Terrence Ferguson.

[Mark]

Yes. Yeah. Terence Ferguson had 29. I mean, it was a very close. He had 29. And Parkinson at 26. Also, Parkinson was. I think he only had one target in the fourth quarter, so he actually was getting plenty of targets even before the Adams injury. All right, so we've got Michael Carter, Kobe Parkinson, and then Jamie said, Jaden Reed, Dave said Luther Burden. Even knowing that Burden might not play this week, but still give you some time. He's got a chance, and he's been really good. The FFT Open. If you won your matchup in week 15, that means you are onto the FFT Open semifinals against 23 other division winners. So the 24 divisions have been decided. Jamie, did you make it? I did, yeah. Way to go. Because Dan did not. Dan lost to someone named man on the can, and Chris Towers lost to someone named hurricane. Hurricane Ditka 2.0. Okay, so I think you're the only CBS representative.

[Jamie]

I have one tough call right now.

[Mark]

What do you got?

[Jamie]

It's not really. No. I should say no. I don't have a tough call right now because if. If Marvin Harrison is out, then I'm rolling with. I'm gonna start burrow again. It's gonna be Burrow. Jameer Gibbs, Jonathan Taylor, Michael Wilson, Mike Evans, Kyle Pitts, and Bucky Irving.

[Mark]

Boy, your. Your. Your week is so dependent on maybe if. If Harrison and if London play because you have pits. I mean, I'm sure you're going to start pits anyway, but could, could be the difference between, you know, a good game and a great game.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I could pivot to Colby Parkinson if I want.

[Mark]

Oh, well, it's a Thursday matchup. All right. A lot of good tight ends out there. By the way, someone asked, would you start Colby Parkinson over Harold Fanning Jr. Against Buffalo?

[Jamie]

I would, yeah.

[Dave]

I'd be tempted to, yeah.

[Mark]

I mean, unfortunately Fanon has such a bad matchup. I think only one tight end is more than five targets against Buffalo. But look at these. This target volume for Fanon, you know, you got to figure he's probably going to eclipse that. All right, we're on CBS Sports Network today at 1pm Eastern. Check it out. And it's time for football at BetMGM. Register with BetMGM to get instant access to the best variety of parlay selection features. No sweat. And boost tokens, live betting options and much more. New players can receive up to 1500 dollars back in bonus bets with the bonus code fantasy if they don't win their first bet. You don't want to miss out on any of the hard hitting action at BetMGM. Place your money line parlay bets and more today. BetMGM. Make it legendary. Okay, news and notes real quick. Joe Burrow is going to start for the rest of the season. He's at Miami, we think and bounce back for Burrow.

[Dave]

Oh yeah.

[Mark]

Yes, Javante Williams hurt his chest but I hope he's fine. He obviously came back in Woody Marks. I would you say Woody Marks expected to play this week or. We expected as of now, yes. Rj. I still haven't seen anything on RJ Harvey.

[Dave]

I have.

[Mark]

What do you got?

[Dave]

There was there's a report from Mike Cliss of 9News in Denver. He's been a long time Broncos beat reporter. He expressed concern for other Broncos injuries but not Harvey. However, the team did sign Cody Schrader shout out Mizzou to to their practice squad. So that could be a sign that maybe they're preparing in case Harvey doesn't practice this week. So I, I think we would have heard that he's totally fine if we had heard that we'd rank him and all that stuff. We haven't heard that yet. So it could come down to a game time decision.

[Mark]

Basil Tutin, you can drop. He's going to miss a little bit of time with a finger injury. Devin Neil, hamstring injury. And Bam Knight is going to be out with an ankle injury question. Christian Watson does not have a serious chest injury. He has a chance to play. I already mentioned some of this, but Romo Dunes, they could miss more time with his foot injury. But Luther Burden has a chance to play with the ankle injury. Drake London, they're calling him day to day. You got Tyquan Thornton in the concussion protocol. You got Ricky Pearsall. I don't feel like Pierce. I was going to play this week to you guys.

[Jamie]

Not based on what channel.

[Mark]

Yeah, you've got, let's see, Devon Vale with a shoulder injury and Devonte Adams week to week with the hamstring injury. And I don't know if there are any offensive line that you know. You got Laramie Tunsil for Washington, their left tackle. It's just Mariota. It's going to be probably could be a tough week for him against Philadelphia. Christian Dara saws week to week. That's Minnesota's left tackle, Seattle. Oh, this is one Seattle left tackle Charles Cross. He got hurt at the very end of the game and he's questionable for Thursday, Thursday's game against the Rams. So if you have Sam Darnold, you're nervous about him. It's just another reason to be nervous about him. Kansas City's offensive line is beat up. You mentioned that. All right, I'll leave it at that.

[Jamie]

Steelers center left the game last night.

[Mark]

Their center of their guard. I thought it was saying, I'm sorry, guard Sue Malo left last night. Yeah, there's a lot of offensive line. I didn't want to go through all of them. But thank you. Anything that you feel like is relevant. Feel free to bring up and I'll skip the defensive stuff. All right, let's take a break. And we got your top three. We're not going to do fab talk today, so. Oh, by the way, if you've advanced in the FFT Open, you don't have to worry about fab. You're alone in your division. You can pick up whoever you want whenever you want.

[Jamie]

So how does it work now? It's the Highest score, highest six scores advanced, highest four scores, man.

[Mark]

The highest eight scores advance to the FFT Open finals in week 17. And I will do my best on Sunday to give updates because you won't be able to see the other scores.

[Jamie]

Highest score from week 17 wins.

[Mark]

Correct.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Mark]

Yeah, man. So you got a chance that'd be so cool if you won. I mean, not for the other people, but good luck. I will be right back.

[Jamie]

Thank you. And I'm Playing Johnny Airport in one of the leftover leagues.

[Mark]

Hey, good luck.

[Jamie]

So it's gonna be tough.

[Mark]

Knows his stuff.

[Jamie]

Can you imagine that? I. I didn't finish as the best team in this league with JSN and Jamar Chase.

[Mark]

Wow, that's Johnny Earp. Must have quite a team.

[Jamie]

He does.

[Mark]

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[Jamie]

Right?

[Mark]

Is it not. I mean, it's Jamie, it's. It's a lot of them. A lot of them.

[Jamie]

There's legitimately five quarterbacks that if you were to tell me they all finished in the top 12, I would not be surprised. And if you tell me they all finished outside the top 24, I would not be surprised.

[Mark]

Who are they and in what order?

[Jamie]

So for me, the order is Gardner Minshew 12 is Bryce Young, 3 is Tyler Schuck, 4 is Kirk Cousins, and 5 is JJ McCarthy.

[Mark]

What about the guys last night? What about Tua and Rogers? 2 has got the Bengals, Rogers has the Lions.

[Jamie]

They're certainly in the conversation. I do not want to trust to a tongue of ello at all. I know last night he played, he got you some good fantasy points. He just does not look good throwing the football right now. And I'm sure they're still going to want to try and run the ball. And in the case of Rogers, I mean, this could get ugly in Detroit because Detroit coming off a loss and back in their building, he could be chasing points. But I still, I'd rather have all these guys. So right after them in my rankings is Rogers and two is behind Rogers. But I think all these guys with their matchups are just in a better spot.

[Mark]

Yeah, I already read it off earlier, but. So it's Kansas City, Minchu's at Tennessee, Bryce Young has the Jet. Wait, no, he's a Bucks. Bryce Young has Tampa Bay and Shuck has the Jets.

[Jamie]

Yeah, Shock has the Jets, Cousins has the Cardinals, and McCarthy has the Giants.

[Mark]

Dave, you know what? Do you think about that? That list? It's. What's your order?

[Dave]

Yeah, my order is different. I've got J.J. mcCarthy at the top 26 fantasy points each of his last two games. The Giants have allowed at least 21 fantasy points to seven of the past nine quarterbacks. I, I just think that this is the quarterback who has the most upside of all the guys that are on the waiver wire and he's out there in two thirds of leagues. If I had Mahomes and McCarthy's on the waiver wire. He's who I'm adding and he's who I'm starting in the fantasy playoffs. It sounds back ass words, but he's really played well without. Without getting great numbers from Justin Jefferson. And that's telling. And so I, I just.

[Jamie]

I'm.

[Dave]

I would lean into that. I think he's got the most upside and the same type of floor. Jamie said he. I wouldn't be surprised if any of these guys finished top 12. I'd be surprised if none of them finished top 20. But McCarthy's the one with the most upside. Safest floor. They all kind of have. They'll have similar floors. I can't say safe floor. Tyler Schuck is next up against the Jets. I thought the jets stunk last week against Jacksonville. Shuck has been around 20 fantasy points pretty much every single start he's had. His. His run game is a humongous question mark. His offensive line at least that's decent. That's a strike. Against McCarthy. You mentioned Darasaws week to week. But Chuck would be second for me and Cousins would be third. Matt, great matchup and he might get Drake London back. The only worry I would have about Shuck that I don't quite have or I'm sorry. The worry that I have about Cousins that I don't quite have with McCarthy and Chuck is that Cousins could end up handing off a lot. This could be a game where Bijan and Alger just kind of take over and they pummel the Cardinals on the ground. That would leave light stats for Cousins, but he could still get you 16. So we could say the floor for him is 16. The floor for shock is 19. The floor for McCarthy is negative two. But the ceiling is highest for McCarthy because he's done it each of the last two weeks. And I don't think the Giants are gonna stymie him. I don't think their defense.

[Jamie]

So my, my fear for Both Cousins and McCarthy is the run games taking over because the two teams that they're facing cannot stop the run.

[Mark]

And McCarthy has only thrown, I think, 25 or 26 passes in each of his last two games. He's put up big numbers. Well, he's put up touchdowns from having big games. Yeah, it's just. It's not something you want to bank on necessarily. But there's pros and cons to all of them. And maybe the other angle here is which quarterbacks are you sitting this week? Are you sitting Dak Prescott against the Chargers?

[Jamie]

Not for that.

[Dave]

I don't like the matchup, but I wouldn't start him for any of these or set him for any of these guys.

[Mark]

Are you sitting Jordan Love at Chicago? Caleb Williams?

[Jamie]

No, not for those guys.

[Dave]

I can be talked into sitting Love.

[Mark]

How about, oh, Trevor Lawrence at Denver?

[Dave]

I could definitely be talked into Sydney.

[Jamie]

He's just ahead of those guys for me, again, I. I think it's. It's huge upside, huge downside, you know, so it depends on how risky you want to be with your fantasy roster. Like to sit a guy that's been as hot as Trevor Lawrence is tough.

[Mark]

Yeah, he's. He's really. He's really had amazing matchups, though. And this was a fun topic we talked about on beyond the Box Score yesterday. I mean, Jordan Love was playing great football, and then he went to Denver and had a pretty bad fantasy game, so. But I didn't mention this defensive injury. The Broncos put one of their starting safeties on ir, so that could affect them. All right, those are your quarterbacks, whether it's Minshu or Young or Shock or Cousins or McCarthy. If you're feeling risky with Tua or Rogers. The thing I like about Rogers, they don't throw the ball. But I looked at their game log, and in a game like this, I think you should expect at least 30, maybe up to 35 past attempts for Rogers, based on similar game scripts, assuming the Lions score on them. So a lot of options if you're desperate, and I wouldn't even say desperate if you're needy. Dave, who are your top three running backs?

[Dave]

Carter is the top running back. That's pretty easy. We've talked a lot about him and the opportunity that he's got this week. There's a big gap after that. I don't love the matchup for Cross Gamer, and I'm worried about how much work he'll get versus the Eagles, especially if they're trailing. I took a look at it earlier today. 39% snap share and 33 total carries for 3.5 yards in the second half of games when the Commanders are down by two scores or more. So quite a qualifier. Quite a mouthful but it definitely tells you that crossing merit if the chips are down and the Commanders are trailing against Philadelphia that he might not get many opportunities and so if you're starting him you're hoping that he can get off to a hot start. I don't really like Audric estimate but he might have a great opportunity for the Saints lead that backfield. He's got the kind of speed that makes Kareem hunt look like CJ2K and and Devin Neal. Devin Neal has to be out. I did like how he had a couple of design screens last week and I mean he literally was off the practice squad onto the field for the Saints and they had stuff designed for him and so that was at least mildly encouraging. Those would be my top three and I'm not even sure if I would put Cross Gamer ahead of SMA just because I'm worried about game script form.

[Mark]

The jets have allowed 23 touchdowns to running backs, 15 rushing eight receiving estimate versus Hull that about the same amount of carries estimate was the third down back after Devin Neal left with the injury.

[Jamie]

It's you just wonder who they're going to use. That's the question.

[Mark]

Yeah. All right Jamie, top three wide receivers.

[Jamie]

So I I put Jaden Reed ahead of Luther Burton just because of Burden's injury. So if we were to find out that Burden plays then Burden would be the better to so I agree with Dave on that but we as of now we weren't ranking Luther Burden. The fact that he's day to day fact that there's a game on Saturday you got to be a little bit concerned there. So if you want us not not a guy that's top three but keep an eye on Alamane Zakias. He's had four games this season with at least six targets and in those four games he's averaging 12.6 PPR points so that's a good number three receiver if he's going to get those opportunities and he did score against the packers two weeks ago. Didn't have a lot of touches but I love targets but something to keep an eye on there. But I have read one Bird in two and three I believe is Jalen Coker. Great matchup against Tampa Bay and coming off back to back games where he scored a touchdown so 14 PPR points in each of his last two outings and I do think that this could be a game where they have to throw a little bit Especially if Tampa Bay's offense shows up. So don't think that Coker is a bad number three receiver for this week. Yep.

[Mark]

You also have added I. Mitchell on there. And, you know, typically it's a. It's one of those weeks where there are some good wide receiver options, but we know that they can always disappoint. Tight end Dave, who are the top tight ends?

[Dave]

Colby is number one, 79 available. All kinds of great metrics that suggest that he's a touchdown monster for the Rams. Although you could just look at his box score and you'd know that he's a touchdown monster for the Rams. Colson Loveland doesn't quite make the cut. He's 34% available, but he's really close to being a great tight end AD and a good flex. If you're a little thin at wide receiver in a PPR league, look for both of those tight ends. I've got Brenton Strange third. I know that it's kind of gross, his numbers haven't been good the last couple of weeks, but I just wonder if this is going to be the type of game where Trevor Lawrence isn't going to feel comfortable throwing deep, isn't going to be able to hold on the ball for a while. Needs to check down, needs to throw short. And that would be where Strange could. Could get five catches, 50 yards, maybe find the end zone. It's a tough call between him and Theo Johnson. You can even throw Rhonda Gadsden in there. He makes the cut. He's 37% available. I'm not in love or committed to any of those three tight ends. In fact, Strange and Theo Johnson, they don't even make the cut for us. The 35% qualifier, they're available in fewer of those leagues, so maybe Gadsden by default should be second. But the bottom line is that once you get past Parkinson and Loveland, it ain't great at tight end.

[Mark]

All right. To look at tight end. You know, first of all, if you have Tyler Warren, we're moving on.

[Jamie]

I would start Parkinson, drop him for a couple guys. Yep.

[Mark]

Harold Fannon Jr. How. How many? And let's throw Darren Waller in there. And let's throw Kyle Pitts in there. Right. Let's say they're available. We like them over Fannin.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Mark]

And how do you rank? Waller, Waller, Pitts, Parkinson.

[Jamie]

Pitts, Parkinson, Waller. Right. Now.

[Dave]

I agree.

[Mark]

If you go into Thursday and you know Drake London is playing, do you move Parkinson ahead of pits?

[Jamie]

No.

[Dave]

Maybe. Definitely a non ppr probably not in half and full.

[Mark]

Slightly off topic, but if two wide receivers come back this week, I'm hopeful that the replacements we've been riding can do better than what they did before the injuries. And that would be Pitts. Like he can have a good game and a great matchup. And Michael Wilson in the same game. I feel like he's earned it, but I don't.

[Jamie]

It's.

[Mark]

I mean, it is like such a weak changer. You know, who's going to win the matchup? Who's, you know, for the Michael Wilson managers. Are you getting this wide receiver one game or are you getting maybe eight points because Marvin Harrison Jr's back? But I'm thinking maybe it'll be more of an even target share between the two receivers.

[Jamie]

I don't think there's been a player where I've been like, more, more excited about. If Michael Wilson starts then. It's just. It's crazy. Crazy. I know.

[Mark]

I mean, he's. He's be ahead of Rasheed Rice. He'd be ahead of George Pickens, I assume at this point.

[Jamie]

Oh, yes.

[Mark]

I mean, he's amazing. Now it's time for coverage you can count on sponsored by Nationwide. Just like your fantasy roster is more than just your offensive starters, Nationwide is a great insurance company and a great financial services company. So don't forget about the defensive side of the ball. And remember, Nationwide is on your side. So, Jamie, give me a DST to stream this week.

[Jamie]

Yeah, we said to pick this defense up last week because of this upcoming matchup, but it's the Saints, you know, taking on the jets based on the defenses that are available. It's just such a great opportunity, such a great matchup. Brady Cook did not look great last week, as we're well aware. We'll see if he starts again, but even if it's Torod Taylor or Justin Fields, this offense is struggling. I'd be much, much more encouraged by the Saints if it is Brady Cook, but still, I'd be starting them as a low end option. They have top five upside, you know, so great opportunity for the Saints. The Vikings defense I think will make things uncomfortable for Jackson Dart. So not the best scenario, but I think the Vikings are still in play and then I think the Lions will get after Aaron Rodgers in their building. So again, looking at the defenses that are available, they're not my favorite, but the Saints are the only one that's a guaranteed starter. Yeah.

[Mark]

Last week was such an exciting week for DSTs. This week, not so much.

[Jamie]

Right in Terms of the ones that are available now, you may see, you know, a defense that was available that you didn't pick up last week that could be out there like the Chiefs or the Bills. You know, their matchups this week are very good. Clearly, you know, taking on the Chiefs taking on the Titans and the Bills taking on the. The Browns. So those are two that I like a lot that may still be out there, but, you know, and still the 49ers too. I know they didn't play well against the Titans, but I don't think the Colts offense is going to put up much of a fight unless Jonathan Taylor goes crazy, which he could. I mean, Tony Pollard just ran for 100 yards against that 49ers defense. But I mean, Philip Rivers is not going to make a lot of plays down the field. So hopefully Robert Salah comes up with a good play. Good plan.

[Mark]

Yeah, I said those were the three. I was going to ask you about the Chiefs, the Niners. The thing about the Chiefs are facing the Titans. The Titans have been really bad for the DSTs the last two weeks. Titans have been so bad against DSTs all year. And then the last two weeks, the Browns, awful. The 49ers. Awful. We feel confident starting the Chiefs. Would you start the Chiefs or the Saints? Chiefs are at Tennessee. Saints have the jets at home.

[Jamie]

Still achieves, Dave.

[Dave]

Still achieves.

[Mark]

How about the Bills at Cleveland or the Saints?

[Jamie]

Bills. Bills, I believe are in my top five, so Bills would be my preferred one.

[Mark]

And then the Niners at the Colts or the Saints?

[Jamie]

I believe I have the Saints ahead of the Niners.

[Dave]

Me too. I'm less than.

[Jamie]

That will change if to Rod plays, Right? Right.

[Mark]

So today's Tuesday. Apparently the jets will have a quarterback decision made by Wednesday. All right, so that. Let's see. Anything we're missing here? I don't think so. Just. We'll recap in a second. But that was coverage you can count on. Sponsored by Nationwide. Nationwide is so much more than a great insurance company. They're one of America's largest financial services companies, too. For your insurance and financial needs, Nationwide is on your side. Nationwide Investment Services Corporation MEMBER FINRA Columbus, Ohio Jamie, how about kickers?

[Jamie]

So again, keep an eye on some of the ones that are available. I went just based on matchups and. And in the case of the first two, for sure weather. So no concerns with Pinero taking on the Colts. He's been great for the majority of the time he's been with the 49ers. Zane Gonzalez, what a great Matchup against the Cardinals. They're one of the best teams in terms of the most fantasy points. I believe they're number two. And then Borgales taking on Baltimore, they give up a lot of fantasy points to kickers also. So weather could be an issue there, but that could also be a field goal game.

[Mark]

I haven't done a full weather check, but I believe this weekend is going to be significantly warmer than last weekend. I think we're going to be in much better shape with weather like in New York for example. I tell you, in the Northeast, it seems like it's actually going to be kind of a nice weekend in the 40s maybe, whereas it felt like it was 12 degrees or something. You know, over the weekends. I think we're going to be in a better spot with weather this week. To recap, top three quarterback well, the, the top five quarterbacks were Minshu at Tennessee, Bryce Young against Tampa Bay, Tyler Shuck against the Jets, Kirk Cousins at Arizona and J.J. mcCarthy at the Giants. But Dave's order was very different and it's, it's, you could really order them almost any way you want. The top running backs, Michael Carter against Atlanta, Jecory Crosby Merritt against Philadelphia, Audric Estimate against the jets. That was Dave's top three. Jamie's top three wide receivers would have been Luther Burden if available, Jaden Reed or not if available. But if he plays Jaden Reed at Chicago and Jalen Coker against Tampa Bay and the tight ends, Colby Parkinson at Seattle, Colston Loveland at green bay. He's 66% roster, but we'll count him and Brenton Strange for Jamie, he has, he has Parkinson. One, he didn't put Loveland on the list just because he's 66% Gadsden. Two Theo Johnson three.

[Jamie]

So really the case of Loveland, if you're going to go that route, Dalton Schultz is the same roster percentage at 66%. So both those guys should be picked up for sure. Darren Waller is just a little bit ahead of them. He should be picked up for sure. Kyle Pitts is still available. I saw him in a 10 team league on the waiver wire. Pick him up for sure. Again, just keep an eye on Drake London situation. And in the case of Gadsden, in the two games that Quentin Johnston has missed have been two of his best games so far this season. The first one was the Miami game, which was his breakout game. And then yes, this past week's game he's facing a Dallas defense that in three of the last four games they've allowed a tight end to score 11.1 PPR points or more. So it's not a bad spot for him, especially if Johnson's out taking on that secondary.

[Mark]

So let me ask you about Schultz, because he has this huge game, eight catches, 76 yards and a touchdown against Arizona. And you look at his game log and it's terrible against Buffalo, really good at Indianapolis, terrible against Kansas City, even better, you know, amazing against Arizona. And it's pretty obvious, like, good matchup, start Schultz, bad matchup, don't start Schultz. The Raiders were just torn apart by Dallas Goddard. Six catches, 70 yards, two touchdowns. However, before that, this has been a strength of the Raiders. They're fourth best against tight ends. So, Dave, how are we feeling about Dalton Schultz this week?

[Dave]

Like them, don't love them. Let's call him a top 10 tight end, especially in full PPR, who has a pretty safe floor of around 10 PPR points.

[Mark]

Okay.

[Jamie]

I think when you look at the. There's. If you want to say there's no Drake London, and depending on how you feel about Kelsey and Bowers, at this point, to me, there's three. Assume that there's no one. There's three easy tight ends. It's McBride, it's Kittle and Pits. Then you get. I'm gonna still put in the top five, Kelsey and Bower. So Kelsey's four for me, Bowers five. And we may get the Kelsey. Let's just feed him over and over and over again. It's another reason why I like Minchu. You know, not many home games left for the Chiefs. Might be one of their last.

[Dave]

The grand finale to the career finish.

[Jamie]

Yeah. So we may, we may get a big. A big Kelsey, you know, swan song here. They're on the.

[Mark]

They're on the road. On the road.

[Jamie]

I'm sorry, they're on the road. But. And end of career. Excuse me. End of career stretch for him. The. The next group of tight ends is. It's almost like these quarterbacks that we're talking about. Like, you have Waller. Great matchup. Coming off big game, you have Parkinson. Great matchup. Coming off big game, you have Goddard, who's been hot the last couple of weeks and has a great matchup. I think Schultz is at the tail end of that group, but he's. He's in the conversation. Like, I feel much better about him than Juwan Johnson right now, than Brent Strange right now, than Kincaid, then Fannin, you know, all these guys like there. But that, that whole group, there's like 15 or 16 tight ends that you can make a strong case for either way. But just Schultz, five of his last seven games, 11.1 PPR points or more. Like you said, Goddard just took apart this defense. I don't know how much of it is just teams didn't throw against them tight end wise. I know they played well against a couple of good guys, but I just feel like C.J. stroud and Schultz are locked in right now.

[Mark]

Yeah, well, Juwan Johnson though, I mean with with Vale missing, he didn't really get a bump last week when Valley got hurt. But I just wonder if you change your mind at all on Juwan Johnson with Vale dealing with a, with an injury.

[Dave]

I get where you're coming from.

[Jamie]

Go back to Juwan Johnson. However, we just saw Trevor Lawrence have a monster game with Brenton Strange doing nothing against the jets. So it's not like it's going to be. And Strange had been one of their key pieces offensively with the amount that Trevor Lawrence had been throwing. I still think like Johnson's good. I just don't know if he's better than some of those other guys.

[Mark]

Okay. All right, let's take a break and we'll talk about the shallow leagues and the deep leagues when we come back on Fantasy football today. And welcome back. All right, so the shallow leaguers, who are the headliners? I guess Jacoby Brissette, Kyle Pitts come to mind. Jamie, I mean layups, go get them. Who else would you think might be available in 10 team leagues or something?

[Jamie]

Those two in particular, Brissette and Pitts are two top three players for me at their respective positions for this week. So just a great setup for both of them and hopefully they continue to produce. Obviously Pitts is tied to, is tied to Drake London, but there are some other guys. C.J. stroud, another one. You know, if you're looking for quarterbacks, you know the guys that we listed, I think I'd rather have Stroud than all of them just based on his matchup and, and what he did last week. Running back wise, it's not great, but Gainwell would be the prize there. I know he was great for you. I mean at this point you got to treat gain well. I know there was some questions going into last week's game, but game was got to be considered the best Steelers running back rest of season and certainly for this week's game against the the Lions. But Ramandre Stevenson, we talked about the Sunday could be a flex. Obviously Tyrone Tracy is somebody you should be starting. You want to trust Tony Pollard.

[Mark]

Wait, do you like Tracy or Gainwell better?

[Jamie]

I like Gainwell better. Wow. But Tracy is got a good opportunity. It's just such a. The Minnesota run defense is so Jekyll and Hyde. I think you can start him, but I think the opportunity for Gainwell with his role in the passing game is, is a little bit safer, especially in a game where they're probably chasing points. Tony Pollard, if you want to trust him against San Francisco, back to back 100 yard games. I do think this could be an interesting game for Tyler Algier because you're looking at an Arizona defense that's really been bad against running backs and you know he's going to get work and so this is a game that they could still win. I, I think they have, you know, easy and opera easy opportunity to play with the lead for sure. And so he could be a good flex this week. And then Blake Corum with the four touchdowns in the last three weeks. Easy to look at him there wide receiver. There's not a lot of guys but in the case of Troy Franklin, as long as there's no Pat Bryant, you know, he looked great last week against Green Bay. We're gonna find out what the packers decide to do without Christian Watson there. But Romeo Dobbs in the first six games of the season was averaging 13.1 PPR points per game until Watson showed up. Watson shows up, he's been miserable. So if no Watson, maybe he's the guy that benefits the most. More so than Reed or, or Matthew golden and then Jaden Higgins. Look, if you want to trust him, I know he had a bad game last week, one catch, four yards. But this Raider secondary is miserable and Higgins prior to last week was still very good. And then the tight ends are really just easy. Pitts still at 81, Waller 72, Schultz and Loveland 66 each. Those two, those four guys can easily be top 10 tight ends for this week. In the case of Pittsburgh, could be top three. Once again.

[Mark]

You like Loveland. I know you like Pits better. You like Loveland or Waller?

[Jamie]

Right now I have Waller ahead of Loveland just with again the opportunity to face the bank like it was. So I, I write that just for, you know, anybody that has has not been paying attention. I write the story Monday afternoon and you know it's usually up by about four or five o' clock and so whenever I have a Monday night player in there I'm like, check back after the game is done and this will be updated. And I was a little hesitant about, you know, Waller's been so non existent for the last two weeks. Like if he does do anything, can we still recommend him even though it's Cincinnati? Especially after what happened with the, the Ravens that ends and it was like, okay, he scored the first touchdown, then he scored second touchdown. And then you just saw, you know, how the game unfolded for them and you figure, okay, this game could be a track meet between the Bengals and the Dolphins, you know, if the Bengals offense shows up, which I think it will. So Waller, you know, went from where I initially had him ranked like 1415 to, you know, inside the top 10 and easy guy to recommend. And the same thing with gameo like it was check back after the game. But game will should be good against the Lions just based on how game script could go. He looks awesome. He looks absolutely fantastic. Like, I don't know how much of it was Warren. I know we'll talk about the game, but how much Warren was, you know, dealing with illness and, and not 100. Like I'm sure for you. I know you had that decision of, of game though, versus Warren. Is that what put you up at the top?

[Mark]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

So game will, you know, four of his last five games over 16 PPR points. He just looks dialed in right now.

[Mark]

Yeah, it was kind of a fun. I'll tell the quick story when we get to that game. Funny story of how I ended up with Warren with gain well over Warren, which was the difference between winning and losing, by the way. I'm glad, Jamie, that you didn't just decide after the end of the third quarter to just finish your waiver wire column because at that point Darren Waller had one catch for eight yards on two targets.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Mark]

And then he ends up with what, seven catches, 66 yards, two touchdowns by the end of the game. Okay, let's. Dave. I picked up Darren Waller in week three. None of these guys are available in my league. Deep leaguers.

[Dave]

So let's call it the Carter 2 because Michael Carter, 86 available, we've talked.

[Mark]

About him a lot.

[Dave]

Should be the lead back for Arizona. Get. Go, go get him. If you need a running back, he's the best one you can get. After that. Talked a little bit about Audrey. Estimate he's available in a bazillion leagues. Jalil McLaughlin in case R.J. harvey's out. Maybe if you've got R.J. harvey, you put a little bit more of an emphasis on getting Jaleel McLaughlin on your bench after that. It's, it's, it's weak It's Jawar Jordan. Just in case that Woody Marks doesn't play. Who, by the way, Jordan looked pretty impressive as the main back for Houston. I wonder if he gets an opportunity at being like the 1B back. Even if Woody Marks plays, it kind of stinks for Woody Marks. We want him to be the future guy, but Joar Jordan in major desperate situations. Same thing with keaton Mitchell, Jeremy McNichols, Isaiah Davis. Would absolutely want to have Isaiah Davis on my bench if I was counting on Breeze hall for anything at quarterback. Talked a lot about a bunch of names there. The deepest of leagues. We're talking about 80% more. It's Minshew and then it's Gross. It's Ward, it's Philip Rivers, Brady Cook, Kenny Pickett. Don't start Kenny Pickett. That's. It's bad to even suggest picking him up in any league. So I'll take the blame for that wide receiver. We talked about Jalen Coker and the huge opportunity he could have. I wish he had more targets, you know, just four targets last week. I wish that there were more than that. He's the one receiver that's available in a ton of leagues, but there are so many others that are available in 60% or 50%, 70%, guys that we haven't talked about yet, like Adnai Mitchell, Parker Washington, Darius Slayton, Matthew Golden. They're going to be out there on a bunch of waiver wires too. Not that you want to start them, but you might want to stash them just in case you see something in week 16 and calamity hits your. Your receiving core before week 17. And then tight end Parkinson, 79% available. Really the only tight end I feel good about as far as those deep leagues go.

[Mark]

All right, excellent. Well, last night's game was so unbelievably boring. 28 to 15, Pittsburgh wins. They basically just took the air out of the ball and ran all over Miami. Miami's defense held in there for a little while but just couldn't. Couldn't keep it going in the second half. So you do you have this really weird 20 point fantasy game from Tua. Just felt like an. A horrible game that he played. He ended up decent numbers.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Mark]

There'S not much to say here about that except Waddle. You know, one thing that's that I think is comforting for Waddle. It was a 14 and a half percent target share or something like that. He's usually. He had been up 30% or higher four straight games. So, you know, starter sit Waddle we know the Bengals are good against number one receivers, but hopefully there's more pass attempts for Tua Jamie starters at waddle.

[Jamie]

On week 16, he's still a number two receiver. You know, I, I think for me he's been ranked as a low end, number one receiver, high end, number two. So he's closer to 20 than he is the last several weeks where he's been around 11 to 14 in that range. Like, if you have a Cortland Sutton, for example, you're starting him over him. If you've been debating Michael Wilson for whatever reason, you're certainly starting Wilson over him. You just have to hope that we get Bengals offense shows up and Dolphins maybe in a similar situation like we saw last night, where they're, they're throwing the ball a little bit more and that benefits Waddle. But yes, you know, DJ Turner has been great. I would imagine he's gonna see a lot of DJ Turner. I just think in a better weather situation, you know, you brought this up that, you know, two in cold weather is, do we have a Waddle concern? And you were right about that. You know, just because we didn't see a lot of opportunities for him and, and one of two was poor passes. The first interception was, you know, just an absolute duck fart that, you know, what shouldn't have been thrown. Bad route concept, bad play design across the board. And Tua should not have made that attempt. So I have Waddle in a couple leagues. I'm still going to start him, but it's not with the idea that he's going to be a league winner. It's hopefully what we got from him in the. I believe it was the Saints game.

[Mark]

Waddle in the Saints game.

[Jamie]

Excuse me, it was a jets, jets game.

[Mark]

Five catches, 50 yards and a touchdown on seven.

[Jamie]

Yeah, like that's where you got to hope for at this point from him.

[Mark]

Well, I'm just hoping that this is the first time that the Dolphins have been trailing in like a month and a half and they just didn't have the ball that much. But against the Bengals, if Burrow is, you know, is Burrow, maybe we can get 33 pass attempts out of two, which could be, could be nine targets, you know, for Waddle, if he's got a 30 target share, it's even more than that, but you got at least have a chance for that on the other side of the ball. Dave, Jamie said that Kenneth Gainwell is clearly the top running back for the team. Do you agree with that?

[Dave]

Going into last week, what's that he was going into Monday's game. Well, it was, it was clear to me I had to rank that way that Gainwell was the better guy and certainly the one that Aaron Rodgers trusts. And as far as like throwing, he's, he's, he's. You can make the argument he's their number two receiver. You might make the argument number one receiver. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark]

I mentioned he has one of the highest target per hour run rates. It's probably even higher than McCaffrey's now. I think he might have like the regular running backs. I think he might have the highest target per out run rate in the NFL. Kenneth Gainwell. The Lions are really good against pass catching running backs. I think they allow the second fewest receiving yards to running backs. So I don't know. You know, why don't we focus on that later in the week. I don't know if there's any, any other Steelers takeaways here, Dave.

[Dave]

Not really. I, I do know that earlier this year when they were without Somalo, they're. The blocking was just terrible. And so I wonder if he could be a linchpin for that front five. And we know from watching Rogers over the last two years and four plays that he's had that when he's pressured, he's just, he's. He's making life decisions and business decisions rather than trying to throw downfield or try to keep a play alive.

[Mark]

Shout out to Rye. Geezy. Who said I won on hn's last catch? I kind of did. You know, I won like slightly before that maybe on the Dolphins sack.

[Jamie]

I had somebody tell me the exact.

[Mark]

Same thing this morning that they won on that catch.

[Jamie]

Yes, exactly.

[Mark]

So I went into the night down 39 points in our FFT league and I had HN whichever Steelers running back I wanted and the Dolphins DST and I took that decision right up to the. And I share a team with Dustin and I'm like, what do you think we should do? Gainwell or Warren? I'm looking for everything. I know he's active, but I'm looking for is he gonna be limited? Whatever. I find nothing. There's a video of Jalen Warren walking through the tunnel. And I'm like, let's see how pale does he look? Does he look okay? You know? And so he says, so Dustin says, what would Jamie do? He says, jamie says, you always use his rankings. So ask Jamie. So I asked Jamie. He says, probably play it safe with gamewell. I still wasn't sure. So I Asked Dave, he says, go with gamewell. I still wasn't sure. I asked Twitter, I said Gain well, or Warren, the first name I see five times I'm going with, I get six responses immediately, three Gainwell's, three Warrens. And then I didn't even have time to wait for more responses. I just. We went with Gainwell and. And we won by two and a half points or something like that. So, yes, now we have Heath next week, this upcoming week in a semifinal.

[Jamie]

It is the definition of rivalry in that semifinals. It's you and Heath and then Jack and Marone.

[Mark]

Are there rivals?

[Jamie]

Well, friendly rivals.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah. That's great. That's great. Jack and Marone are a couple of producers for us. Our Marone is West Marone. He's like a dude, Corby. Yeah, he's a dude now. All right, I'm not gonna do the drop o meter today. You guys approve of that? Okay.

[Dave]

Anyone who you wouldn't consider starting or stashing shouldn't even bother beyond your roster unless it's somebody that would make another team in your league better.

[Mark]

You brought up something, Dave, in our private chat that I forgot to mention. But there's a little bit of etiquette to blocking your opponent. It is absolutely not okay. Let's say your opponent needs a kicker or a tight end or whatever. It's not okay to just lost.

[Dave]

Patrick Mahomes.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

You.

[Mark]

You cannot add guys. Drop them, Add another guy at the position, drop him, add another. You cannot just intentionally drop people to put them on the waiver wire. This is usually. People do this on Friday or Saturday or something. You can't do that. In fact, we have a clause in the rules for the FFT open that you can get kicked out of your league if you do that. So don't even think about it. But there is nothing against just picking up a player that you don't need just to block your opponent from getting him.

[Dave]

But you got to hold on to him through the week.

[Mark]

I don't know that you have to hold on to him through the week. Like, okay, you need Mahomes. So I pick up Kirk Cousins because you wanted him. I don't think I'm obligated to hold on to the Cousins for the week, do you?

[Jamie]

Yeah, well, just based on what you said, you shouldn't drop him the next day.

[Dave]

Right. And what are you going to drop them Sunday morning before the games start?

[Mark]

I. Oh, that's.

[Dave]

My feathers would be. One feather would be ruffled if you did that. It's not that big of a deal.

[Mark]

It's nothing. It's fine.

[Dave]

I. I think you should have to carry that player through the week if you really want to keep. Everything.

[Jamie]

Basically is you just. You can't. You can't add and drop multiple players, but you can add one player and then drop them right away.

[Mark]

Yeah, well, the thing is, if you.

[Dave]

Didn'T say right away, you're saying you're gonna pick up Kirk Cousins on Wednesday to play Keep away from me.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And then you're gonna keep them until Sunday and then you're gonna drop Cousins on Sunday. I guess if it's one player, I guess it's fair game. I said I would only have one feather ruffled. I wouldn't be up in arms about it. Definitely not the same thing as add, drop, add drop, add, drop, add, drop. And then the only guy I can get is Kenny Pickett. Like, that's not fair. That's not cool.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Mark]

And people usually do that with one roster spot. One spot on their roster that they just keep cycling with add, drop, ad drop, ad drop. Just to put someone on. Wait. Just to pick someone up and then put them on waivers so he can't be picked up if. Yeah. Anyway, I think you get the point. All right. To the. To the wide receivers or to the quarterbacks here on the waiver wire. Brissette is the best Stroud. Jamie, you said you like Stroud over everyone.

[Jamie]

I do.

[Mark]

Over Minchu and Bryce Young and Shook. Okay, I think we've talked about them enough. You know, Dave is gravitating to J.J. mcCarthy. Jamie likes Gardner. Minshew. I already told you, Tennessee's a great matchup. Tampa Bay is a great matchup for Bryce Young. Tyler shucks a great. Has a great matchup with the Jets. Kirk Cousins, great matchup with Arizona for the last five quarterbacks thrown three touchdowns against them. Then you got Mario to. And we're just not feeling it with him. Right, Jamie?

[Jamie]

I mean, look, again, if you're the Mahomes manager and this is the best you can get. Like, you know, Dave mentioned Rivers and. And Pickett and all those other guys. Clearly you want Mariota if he's still out there. As much as he did not take advantage of the Giants, he also had a 27 point game against the Broncos. So it wouldn't shock me if he has a good game against Philadelphia. I just don't want to count on it. So all these other guys, including Aaron Rodgers, would be better than Mariota, and I'd rather Mario than Rogers.

[Mark]

I'm sorry. Jamie Mariota has Dallas in week 17. So that's just another thing to think about. If you have room to stash them, he gets the Cowboys at home. Couple questions in the chat. Brissette or Dak Prescott this week? Brissette Jackson. Darling.

[Jamie]

Two quarterbacks I would start head of Brissette this week. One is Josh Allen, the other is Dale in Hertz.

[Mark]

Okay, so you're telling me I should go hurts over Burrow this week, huh?

[Jamie]

I would. Yes.

[Dave]

I would too.

[Mark]

I'll see about T. If T. Higgins is out, that's an easy call. Stroud or Dart.

[Jamie]

Such a tough matchup right now. I have dart, but it's close.

[Mark]

Just not really loving what I'm seeing from dart these days. And then there's of course the Minnesota aspect of it. Okay, we've got running backs. So Michael Carter. Michael Carter, Kenneth Gainwell, Tyrone Tracy. How do you rank them?

[Dave]

Dave Carter will be third.

[Jamie]

Jamie Gainwell, Tracy Carter and ppr.

[Dave]

Okay, it's going to be close between Tracy and Gainwell.

[Mark]

And then if Woody Marks were out, would you, would you then prefer Jawar Jordan to Jakori Crosky Merritt?

[Jamie]

I would prefer Gawar Jordan to Michael Carter. Okay.

[Mark]

Yeah. But we're just not expecting that. It seems like Woody Marks is going to be fine.

[Jamie]

I think the way you approach Jordan is the same way you approached Dylan Wright last week. Like you want to have him on your team just in case you have Woody Marks. But even if you don't have Woody Marks, like why would you not want to start that guy after what he just did and the matchup that he has?

[Mark]

Did you know that Jackson Dart and Woody Marks are roommates? They are renting the blue medical tent. Every single week they are in the blue medical tent is like insane. You've got your Leo McLaughlin. Where would you rank Julia McLaughlin or I guess you probably haven't ranked against Jacksonville. Jacksonville is a brutal matchup. Oh my gosh. Where would you rank McLaughlin this week, Dave Flex.

[Jamie]

I'm sorry.

[Mark]

Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Dave]

It's fine. Jamie answered for me. It's a low end flex.

[Mark]

Okay. And then you like you guys like McLaughlin over estimate.

[Jamie]

No, I need to switch that in the column estimation be ahead. I just wish there was a little bit more clarity. I think that the Denver situation there's. There's pretty clear that while Tyler Bidet will have chances to work in passing down situations, McLaughlin will be the running downs guy. And so the, the New Orleans situations, I think it's going to be estimated. It sounds like Dave does too but like there's, there's still some, you know, potential of both guys and maybe the hot hand. And so SMA's played the last two games. When Camara first went down, Hull was the backup to Devon Neal and so does Hull get the first opportunity. And we know how bad the jets are. Like you know when Dave was going through the, the deeply guys like if you can't get estimates, not a bad idea to take a flyer on, on hall also just in case he's, he's the guy and we get to the middle of the week and you know you get those. Here's the videos of, of the running back drills and holds the one going first and you know he ends up being the better of the two. So it's just I don't think a situation where it's a guaranteed testament. And in the case of both of these backfields, you know we're seeing some, I'm seeing some stuff in the chat here like Neil may still be able to play Camara maybe back, you know and, and in the case of Denver you may get RJ Harvey back. So there's, there's not I think a clear path for Jordan, for McLaughlin, for SMA to be even relevant this week.

[Dave]

But with Neil hurt and I don't know if Camara is coming back, I think that sma, like if I had to fire the waiver wire shot on one of them it would be estimate. I wouldn't feel great about it. Like we've talked about, he did have a slight lead in snapshare after Devin Neal got hurt on Sunday. It was 54%. They had five third down snaps. He played on all five of them. They weren't inside the 10. But I mean you just take a look at Evan hall and Audrey estimate and you know that estimate is going to work in goal to go situations. So I think that estimate will have the high value touches and have probably like a 1 a type share on running downs and that makes me feel comfortable with him overall. I liked hall when he came out. He's an interesting player but he's just never been able to even get the opportunity to show what he can do. SMA has shown it on occasion. I just think he's the more physical and he's got just as good of hands.

[Jamie]

You also have taste mill though so we'll see how that factors into.

[Dave]

Yeah, but I mean they could have been using Hill this whole time with.

[Jamie]

Neil but they haven't had a situation where they didn't have one of Camara, Kendrick, Miller or Devin Neal. So they're down to their fourth and fifth options. Like this could be Taysom Hill show for all we know.

[Mark]

I think everyone's gonna be a little nervous starting a Saints running back. Even against a team that, like I said, the jets have allowed 23 touchdowns to running backs. That's unreal. So you said, you know, we don't know who's going to play. I don't know if you mentioned this, but Chris Rodriguez could play. I mean, Chris Rodriguez was a game time decision.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Mark]

So Jacori Crosby, Merit. First of all, the Eagles run defense has not been great lately. They're, they're now 21st against running backs. They allow 4.35 yards per carry and the sixth most receiving yards per game to running backs. Certainly they could get Jalen Carter back and that would help. But it's possible that Chris Rodriguez plays because he, he was a gametime decision got ruled out just before the game. So that's another thing we have to keep in mind here. Okay. Wide receivers, you got Troy Flank. You didn't have a lot of the shallow league guys this week, understandably. But you had Troy Franklin on there. I just wanted to point out his role really didn't change that much. Even with that Pat Bryant, he actually like little Jordan Humphrey, replaced Pat Bryant and played more than Troy Franklin. Franklin played 50% of the routes around. 50% of the routes. I think he just had a great game and he maybe could have had two touchdowns but was ruled down on one of them. But you know, he came back. And the Jaguars have been better lately, but they face really easy competition. This used to be a matchup that we really picked on. So you got Franklin, you got Romeo Dobbs, you got Jaden Higgins who's had two bad games in a row. But then we get to the guys to actually add on the waiver wire, Jaden Reed. Well, I shouldn't say it that way. The guys who are more available, Jaden Reed, Luther Burden. I think you guys have agreed that if Burden plays, he'd be ahead of Reed, right?

[Dave]

Yes.

[Mark]

Yeah, he's really doing some great things. I mean, he played about half the game and had six catches for 84 yards on seven targets. Luther Burden. So he's really coming into his own.

[Jamie]

Back to back games with 11 PPR points with Dunzia.

[Mark]

Right. And one of them was a half game. That's, that's awesome. And Jalen Coker, you know, it's a little tough to trust because he's usually getting four targets. But maybe, you know, I would love to, I would love to see a bit of a shootout here between Tampa Bay and Carolina. Huge game, by the way. Holy cow.

[Dave]

Massive. Yes.

[Mark]

They play twice in the last three weeks for the division, basically. Dave, what do you think about Adonai Mitchell? Nine targets, six catches, 58 yards and a touchdown after a terrible game. But now he gets New Orleans and usually we don't see a lot of running backs, wide receiver targets against New Orleans. But what do you think about Mitchell this week?

[Dave]

I am mildly encouraged by Brady Cook and how he looked against Jacksonville. He did have to do a lot of passing and he had good timing with Adnai Mitchell. Certainly you see it on the touchdown. There was a, there were a couple of hitch plays where Cook is getting the ball out before Mitchell comes out of his break. I, I'm, I think he's probably going to be my favorite jets receiver of him, John Mechi, Isaiah Williams. Is he going to be a top 36 receiver? He's going to be close, but probably not, not one I'll have a lot of conviction on. Even though it should be a very familiar game script. I'll feel better about Mitchell if Torod Taylor ends up starting and I will feel worse about Mitchell if Justin Fields is starting. So a lot of variables there, but at least it's a receiver who's going to play a lot and he's had some solid games over the last month or so. Maybe you can buy into him if you're totally desperate. I'd rather have burden. It's Reed is like the floor play and Mitchell would be the ceiling play. But I would take, I would take Mitchell if Watson's out and Torod Taylor's in. But those are a lot of ifs that we just don't have the answers to on a Tuesday morning.

[Mark]

And then Rashid Shahid is pretty interesting. It'll be, I assume, tough for people to trust him. Thursday against the Rams, he's finally starting to get some more targets. He's got a target per out run rate about 22% two straight games. This is Rashid Shahid we're talking about here.

[Dave]

And maybe you should have had a touchdown last week.

[Mark]

Yeah. And maybe you get, you know, high scoring game with more pass attempts. The Rams have a good run defense. Seahawks, Seattle's not running the ball well and The Rams are 24th against receivers.

[Dave]

No, she he that offensive line. You have to keep an eye on the injuries that you said Charles Cross left the game later was It Abe Lucas.

[Mark]

No, it was cross. I think it was on the game winning field goal.

[Dave]

Okay, well, Lucas was hurt, too, and so. Oh, my gosh. If they're down both of their starting tackles.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's. That's bad for Sam Darnold, who really looked panicky for much of last week's game.

[Mark]

That's bad.

[Jamie]

Okay. They're debating how fast you are versus Dan in the chat. And Johnny Airport just said, Dan is faster, but he gets winded really quickly from all that butter he's been drinking. Coffee.

[Mark]

I. I re. Ooh, that's a good question. I think I'm faster than him. It takes.

[Jamie]

I think you're faster than Dan.

[Mark]

Yeah, it takes me a little while to get going, but how would Dan.

[Jamie]

Say, though, if you ask him, you're faster?

[Mark]

Oh, you think you're faster than me? What do you weigh? 140 pounds? You have no strength in those legs.

[Dave]

Yeah, we should have you guys run a 40 before your next tennis match and then after your next tennis match.

[Jamie]

No, I think they got to do a decathlon next summer.

[Mark]

1. One guy you should keep an eye on is Devon Vale, who's on the injury report. But if he plays, we're seeing some good things from him. And he's 30% rostered. And what do you think about slayton? Slayton had 10 targets last week. And another drop.

[Jamie]

Touchdown, Minnesota.

[Mark]

Yeah, Minnesota. Yeah, I didn't mention these injuries for Minnesota, but Jonathan Garnard's out for the year. He's a great edge rusher for them. And defensive tackle, that's significant. Javon Hargrave left with an injury to defensive tackle.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's significant as well. That makes the matchup a lot better for Jackson.

[Jamie]

Dart. Yeah.

[Mark]

Yeah. Jacob says it was a perfect dad impression.

[Jamie]

Thank you.

[Mark]

All right, so someone said Dan and I are the new Starsky and Hutch. Which one am I?

[Jamie]

Neither. You're like bizarro Starsky and Hutch if they were dorks.

[Mark]

Well, one of the. Isn't stars. Isn't Starsky a dork?

[Jamie]

I mean, not in the TV show.

[Mark]

I've only seen the movie.

[Dave]

I've never watched an episode of this show or seen the movie, so I have no clue what you're talking about.

[Mark]

The movie is great. Like, it's great.

[Dave]

Oh, good. Another recommendation.

[Mark]

Dude, it's Ben Stiller and Lou and Owen Wilson. It's great.

[Jamie]

It's a very good Vince Vaughn.

[Mark]

Do it. Do it. All right, tight ends, Kyle Pitts, Darren Waller.

[Jamie]

The only line that people Use from that movie though.

[Dave]

People don't even know it's from that movie.

[Mark]

That is the best, the most quotable line of the movie. But it's actually, you know who loves that movie? Schaefer loves that movie. Right, right. Schaefer, Back me up here.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's an old timer.

[Mark]

It's great. It's real. I'm gonna, I'm gonna watch it like very soon. I'm pumped up about this. Either stalker is the best part. Which one?

[Jamie]

The car.

[Mark]

The car. Like the whole. His love affair with the car.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's. I mean it, you know, like when you think. I mean for me, like as a, you know, dating myself here, but a kid of the 80s, like the generally Knight Rider and the car from Starsky and Hutch are like. And the Ferrari from Magnum, like, like they're all icons with the shows.

[Mark]

What was the name of the guy? Oh yeah, I always quote. I'm gonna give it to my man Dancing Rick. I've quoted that movie before. Okay. Anyway. You like Colson, Loveland or Dalton Schultz? I forget.

[Jamie]

Well, it's a good one from gamer Eric. The 18 van too. What's the question?

[Dave]

Loveland or Schultz?

[Jamie]

I'd go Schultz, especially what he's done. But Loveland gets a little bit of a bump. I just don't like the fact that he hasn't had a lot of targets. Even though Dunes has been out.

[Mark]

Okay. And got Parkinson. Gadsden. You think Gadsden will do better or worse than the four catches for 61 yards he had last week?

[Jamie]

I mean, that puts him in the range of a low end starter. I, I think just looking at the match up here, like this is an opportunity for Herbert to have maybe a get right game. Just because Dallas has been so bad. I mean, again, look what JJ McCarthy just did against them. So if there's no Quentin Johnston, I think Gatson's gonna be a little bit better.

[Dave]

Yes and no. Quinn and Williams obviously helps the pass rush as well. It won't be as effective. And even though the offensive line for the Chargers is Swiss cheese, maybe Herbert gets an extra couple of seconds to get the ball out and find people downfield. I'm with Jamie. I think if there's no Quentin Johnston, you could go with Arande Gadsden.

[Mark]

How do you feel about theater?

[Jamie]

Viper says the DeLorean. The DeLorean was a. Was a movie, not a TV show. But yes, the DeLorean obviously is iconic.

[Dave]

Kid is the 101 for me. I love Knight Rider.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Mark]

How do you feel about Theo Johnson against the Vikings?

[Dave]

I mean, he's not a car, so he's not as cool. But I, I think you can make a play for him and maybe give him a little bit more value in non PPR and half ppr because he just doesn't get a ton of catches from week to week. But he's in that range of low end starter, maybe a top 12 tight end.

[Jamie]

The ones that, that I could see playing well but also make me nervous are Theo Johnson, Brenton Strange and Juwan Johnson. Like, you know, you've seen certainly the highs someone in, in the case of like Johnson and Strange both. Johnson's in Strange. Like the, the highs haven't exactly been huge. You know, you've seen 10 to 12 points. Like they just don't score touchdowns very often. And that's the concern.

[Mark]

Well, yeah. So how would you rank guys like Theo Johnson, Brenton Strange with Harold Fannin Jr. And Dalton Kincaid.

[Jamie]

Kincaid ahead of them, Fanon ahead of them. Those guys right behind.

[Mark]

Okay, how about Fanon or.

[Dave]

Like I'm ready to start. Parkinson and Loveland ahead of Theo.

[Mark]

What about. Yeah, but what about Gadsden over? Would you start Gadsden over?

[Jamie]

Fan?

[Dave]

As of now. As of now, I'm. I don't think I'm there yet. Between the.

[Jamie]

Quinn Johnson out. I will start Gaston over. Fan. And Quentin Johnston in. I will start Fanning over. All right.

[Mark]

Oh, here's a trivia question for you guys.

[Jamie]

It's funny you say, wow, I don't disagree with you, but like, prior to the last three weeks, or, you know, maybe last four weeks, but like, Gadson was clearly the better of the two.

[Mark]

What does KIT stand for? From Knight Rider?

[Jamie]

Oh, man.

[Dave]

Keep it simple. Stupid.

[Mark]

Is that what it is?

[Dave]

No, I don't know what it is. But do you remember what was the name of the evil kit?

[Jamie]

Oh, man, that's so.

[Mark]

I don't remember looking for the.

[Dave]

They made. They made a version of kit that was like evil.

[Mark]

What does kit stand for? It stands for Knight Industries 2000.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Dave]

And then evil kit was car night automated roving Robot. They could have done a little better with the acronyms in the 80s, I'd.

[Mark]

Say, you know, in Stranger Things, the most recent season, they've referenced the flux capacitor, which obviously I knew, but they also made a Bilbo Baggins reference. Is that a. Is that character super old? Is the Lord of the Rings story?

[Dave]

Absolutely.

[Mark]

I didn't realize Lord of the Rings.

[Dave]

Has been out there for. It's not Lord of the Rings was a like a whole novel series.

[Jamie]

Adam doesn't read, but from.

[Mark]

From the 80s.

[Dave]

Yes.

[Mark]

I had no idea.

[Dave]

Of course you didn't.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Dave]

In your house all day and smell dead mice.

[Jamie]

What's going on?

[Mark]

Prefer that to cat crap. Again. The DSTs. If you can get the Chiefs, Niners, and Bills, you can roll with them. If not, Saints, Vikings, Lions this week. Not the best week for dsts. Eddie Panero, Zane Gonzalez, Andrew Borgalis. And I'm gonna give it to my man Dancing Rick. All right, we'll talk to you guys tomorrow on Fantasy Football.

[Jamie]

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