Week 12 Recap: 49ers Struggle, Bears Look Good and More Surprises (11/24 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today - Week 12 Recap: 49ers Struggle, Bears Look Good and More Surprises

Release Date: November 25, 2024

Hosted by Adam Aizer alongside analysts Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, Heath Cummings, and the crew from CBS Sports, Week 12 of Fantasy Football brought a mix of expected and unexpected performances across the NFL. This detailed recap delves into the standout moments, key player performances, fantasy implications, and surprising turns that defined the week.

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1. Episode Introduction

The episode kicks off with the hosts welcoming listeners and setting the stage for a comprehensive Week 12 analysis. Personal anecdotes and light-hearted banter set an engaging tone for the discussions to follow.

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2. Key Player Performances

a. Standout Wide Receivers

• Jalen Waddle: A Rebound Week

  Timestamp [03:17]
  Jamey Eisenberg: "Jalen Waddle. I mean, we needed this from him, right? He was, he was cuttable... thank goodness he delivered."

  After four consecutive games with underwhelming PPR points, Waddle broke out with 12 catches for 144 yards and a touchdown on nine targets. This performance raises questions about his future value and consistency in fantasy lineups.

• Keenan Allen: Consistent Target Magnet

  Timestamp [08:42]
  Heath Cummings: "He’s been dominating targets. He needs to be rostered."

  Despite a slight dip in production over the past few weeks, Allen showcased his reliability by securing nine catches for 86 yards and a touchdown on 15 targets, reaffirming his status as a must-start in most leagues.

b. Quarterback Dynamics

• Anthony Richardson: An Uneven Performer

  Timestamp [04:01]
  Jamie Eisenberg: "Anthony Richardson took on the Lions... all the confidence... all the goodwill... went away in Week 12."

  Richardson's performance was marred by inconsistency, throwing multiple interceptions and struggling against the Lions' defense. While his rushing ability remains a silver lining, his pass efficiency raises concerns for fantasy managers.

• Brock Purdy vs. Trent Williams Debate

  Timestamp [11:49]
  Dave Richard: "Trent Williams is the most important person to that team right now is Trent Williams."

  The hosts engaged in a spirited debate over the relative importance of quarterback Brock Purdy versus left tackle Trent Williams for the San Francisco 49ers' success. While Purdy has adapted well to Kyle Shanahan's system, Williams' impact on the offensive line is deemed crucial for the team's performance.

c. Running Backs in Focus

• Josh Jacobs: Continuing Dominance

  Timestamp [28:40]
  Heath Cummings: "Tony Pollard... needs to remain a consideration... He dominated snaps."

  Jacobs remains a top-tier RB with consistent performances, reinforcing his value in PPR leagues.

• Bucky Irving vs. Rashad White: Tampa Bay's RB Duo

  Timestamp [19:29]
  Jamie Eisenberg: "Bucky Irving over Rashad White... improved yards per carry."

  Irving's recent surge, highlighted by improved efficiency and increased involvement in the passing game, positions him as a superior option over White.

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3. Winners of the Week

a. Top Pick Performances

• Tony Pollard (RB, Dallas Cowboys)

  Timestamp [28:40]
  Dave Richard: "Tony Pollard a winner for you."

  Pollard's 24 carries for 119 yards and a touchdown, along with three receptions for 10 yards, solidified his status as a valuable fantasy asset, especially given his favorable upcoming schedule.

• Christian McCaffrey: A Cause for Concern

  Timestamp [09:44]
  Dave Richard: "Christian McCaffrey, three games, no touchdowns... that's troubling."

  McCaffrey's recent decline, with three consecutive games without a touchdown and a dip in fantasy output, raises red flags for managers relying on him as a league-winning RB.

b. Surprise Performances

• David Montgomery (RB, Detroit Lions)

  Timestamp [30:08]
  Heath Cummings: "Good game for Aaron Jones... start him with confidence."

  Montgomery's unexpected performance against a tough run defense showcases his potential upside moving forward.

• Jameson Jennings (WR, Arizona Cardinals)

  Timestamp [32:39]
  Heath Cummings: "He is a focal point of the offense."

  Jennings stepped up with five catches for 64 yards, highlighting his emerging role in the Cardinals' pass game.

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4. Losers of the Week

a. Underperforming Stars

• Justin Jefferson (WR, Minnesota Vikings)

  Timestamp [04:01]
  Jamie Eisenberg: "Justin Jefferson you could call a loser."

  Jefferson's continued struggles against the Bears' defense, failing to consistently finish first at his position, diminish his fantasy reliability.

• Kyler Murray (QB, Arizona Cardinals)

  Timestamp [36:36]
  Heath Cummings: "Every time I feel like Kyler Murray's a must start quarterback again, he drops one of these on us."

  Murray's erratic performances, marked by inconsistency and low fantasy output despite high target volumes, make him a risky start.

b. Injury-Plagued Players

• Ramondre Stevenson (RB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

  Timestamp [04:52]
  Jamie Eisenberg: "Anthony Richardson and Tyrone Tracy Jr... not feeling good about starting him."

  Stevenson's performance post-injury remains questionable, affecting his reliability in fantasy lineups.

• Travis Kelce vs. Noah Gray

  Timestamp [20:53]
  Heath Cummings: "Noah Gray has outscored Dalton Kincaid this season."

  While not a direct underperformer, the comparison highlights potential shifts in tight end value.

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5. Fantasy Football Insights

a. Must-Start Recommendations

• Keenan Allen (WR, Los Angeles Chargers)

  Timestamp [18:39]
  Heath Cummings: "He needs to be rostered."

  Allen's high target share and consistent involvement make him indispensable in most fantasy settings.

• Johnny Smith (TE, Green Bay Packers)

  Timestamp [46:56]
  Adam Aizer: "Johnny Smith is a must start tight end until further notice."

  Smith's steady production against a vulnerable Packers defense positions him as a reliable TE option.

b. Players to Drop or Trade

• Christian McCaffrey (RB, San Francisco 49ers)

  Timestamp [09:44]
  Dave Richard: "This is troubling. It's really troubling."

  Managers are advised to reconsider McCaffrey's value given his recent decline in touchdowns and overall production.

• Kyler Murray (QB, Arizona Cardinals)

  Timestamp [36:36]
  Heath Cummings: "He might not be far from Anthony Richardson territory."

  Murray's unpredictability warrants caution, making him a potential drop candidate for those seeking stability.

c. Trade Discussions

• Heath's Dynasty Trade Insight

  Timestamp [18:46]
  Adam Aizer: "Heath made a huge trade in our dynasty league. Keenan Allen was better than both Joe Mixon and Travis Kelsey combined by a lot."

  Highlighting the strategic value of Allen over traditional RB and TE stars, underscoring the evolving landscape of dynasty leagues.

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6. Injury Reports and Their Impact

a. Offensive Line Concerns

• Trent Williams (LT, San Francisco 49ers)
  Timestamp [10:27]

  Williams' absence severely hampers the 49ers' offensive efficiency, emphasizing the importance of a strong O-line for both protection and run-blocking.

b. Quarterback Adjustments

• Gardner Minshew (QB, Jacksonville Jaguars)

  Timestamp [01:25]
  Adam Aizer: "Gardner Minshew is out for the season."

  Minshew's season-ending injury leaves Desmond Ritter and potentially Aiden O'Connell to fill the quarterback role, affecting the Jaguars' offensive dynamics.

• Brian Robinson Jr. (RB, Washington Commanders)

  Timestamp [24:31]
  Adam Aizer: "Brian Robinson Jr. got hurt early, came back left again with an ankle injury."

  Robinson's recurring injuries complicate Washington's rushing strategy, pushing managers to consider backups like Jeremy McNichols.

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7. Special Segments

a. Surprise Highlights

• Christian McCaffrey’s Decline

  Timestamp [08:55]
  The "Surprise" segment highlighted McCaffrey's three-game streak without a touchdown, signaling potential red flags for his fantasy value.

b. Buyers and Sellers

• Keenan Allen and Keenan Allen’s Value

  Timestamp [18:12]
  Discussion on whether Allen needs to be picked up in most leagues, affirming his status as a high-value asset despite occasional down weeks.

c. Mailbag and Listener Questions

• Debate on Jesse Wittingized Players' Value
  Listener questions about ranking Justin Jefferson despite his lack of top-performances, leading to discussions on his overall consistency and potential bounce-back moments.

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8. Conclusion

Week 12 delivered a rollercoaster of performances with key players like Jalen Waddle and Keenan Allen reaffirming their value, while stars like Christian McCaffrey and Kyler Murray raised concerns. Injuries across various positions continue to impact fantasy lineups, urging managers to stay vigilant on the waiver wire and consider strategic trades. The hosts emphasized the importance of adaptability and staying informed to navigate the ever-evolving fantasy landscape.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Jamey Eisenberg on Jalen Waddle’s Performance
  [03:17] "He was cuttable and, you know, a lot of... thank goodness he delivered."

• Heath Cummings on Keenan Allen
  [18:46] "He needs to be rostered."

• Dave Richard on Christian McCaffrey
  [09:44] "It's really troubling."

• Jamie Eisenberg on Anthony Richardson
  [04:01] "All the confidence... went away in week number 12 against."

• Adam Aizer on Johnny Smith
  [46:56] "Johnny Smith is a must start tight end until further notice."

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Final Thoughts

As the fantasy football season progresses, Week 12 serves as a pivotal point for assessing player performances, potential breakout stars, and emerging busts. The insights provided by Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath equip fantasy managers with the knowledge to make informed decisions, ensuring they stay competitive as the playoffs approach.

For more detailed analysis and ongoing updates, listeners are encouraged to tune in to future episodes and engage with the Fantasy Football Today community.

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[Heath]

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[Adam]

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[Dave]

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[Adam]

And no, I can't.

[Heath]

It's time to dominate your fantasy league.

[Dave]

Off to the races and he stays at his feet.

[Jamie]

This is gonna go the distance.

[Heath]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Dave]

Welcome to Fantasy Football today presented by BetMGM, the sportsbook. Born in Vegas, it is Sunday night. We are recapping week. Big days for Josh Jacobs and Bucky and every Tampa Bay Buccaneers running back. Big days for Tuatanga Bailoa and Jaden Daniels. Big days for some wide receivers that we weren't expecting it from. Like Jordan Addison and Jalen Waddle. And Keenan Allen had a big day as well. And you know, it was funny. I was watching the Cardinals game. I was watching all three games, doing my notes, the late window. I had no idea. Trey McBride, like, I don't know, 12 catches for 133 yards. Like a quietly incredible game. They scored six points in a loss to Seattle.

[Heath]

So we'll talk about receiving touchdowns and.

[Dave]

Still no receiving touchdowns even though he was open in the end zone at least once in this game.

[Adam]

Twice. Twice. Twice.

[Dave]

But yeah, all right, twice in this game. So train. But. But 12 for 133. No one's complaining. Welcome everybody to the show. Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath here. And let's. Okay, okay. Great moment on the live stream this morning for everybody but me. JB scared the absolute crud out of me. I was terrified you could just go on social media. I said, like, there's a picture still image of me getting scared and I look like a kid going down splash mountain where they take your photo and like, that's the true fear on my face. All right, so Jamie, you can start from the biggest jerk. Tell me the biggest winner in week 12.

[Adam]

Jalen Waddle. I mean, we needed this from him, right? He was, he was cuttable and, you know, a lot of. We had this conversation for the last couple weeks. Is it time to drop Jalen Waddle? And thank goodness he delivered. And hopefully this is a start of something for him. You know, it's. You got that story in ESPN that you sent us, Adam, about, you know, wanting to be more ball control and, and not necessarily have the big plays. Well, we saw some from him today and hopefully that's. That's a sign of things to come. So I'd love to see a lot more from that from Waddle. Rest of the season.

[Dave]

He had four straight games with 8.6 or fewer PPR fantasy points. And today, eight Cats double digits in.

[Adam]

PPR since week one.

[Dave]

Yeah. Eight for 144 and a touchdown on nine targets. And quiet game from Tyreek Hill. Dave, who's the biggest loser today?

[Jamie]

There's a lot of big losers. Jefferson. Justin Jefferson you could call a loser. Sam Laporta again, Ramondre Stevenson. I think Anthony Richardson's a loser. I didn't. He did not look like the same guy from the week before. And yeah, he took on the Lions and that could be a huge part of it. In the second half. I. This is bad even for him. 4 of 14 passing for 55 yards. 57 of his throws were for 15 or more air yards. He really didn't have that big of an off target rate in the second half, but really just did not play well. Had a couple of wide receivers go down with injuries. They left the game. The Lions defense definitely played a little bit better even though they lost a cornerback in this game. But all the confidence, all the goodwill that Anthony Richardson built up in a week all went away in week number 12 against.

[Adam]

He looked good in the first half, though.

[Jamie]

He looked so this is interesting. I thought he looked good too. I went to the stats and in the first half he had a 50% completion rate. And I went, that's weird because I thought what you said and I looked at the first quarter 50 completion rate, just hit a couple of deeper balls.

[Adam]

Downfield and that was dropped a touchdown, which was horrible.

[Jamie]

Yes, that was bad.

[Adam]

And he missed Alec Pierce on a wide open touchdown or.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Dave]

So. Yeah, so. So first of all, I'm not really going to look at completion percentage for Anthony Richardson. It's. It's almost never going to be good. But he throws the ball downfield so much and he like.

[Jamie]

Well, that's why the completion rate's never going to be any good.

[Dave]

If he had hit Alec Pearson stride, he could have had a huge play, maybe a touchdown. I actually was encouraged that there were plays to be made. Guys were wide open. I don't know what. Detroit had a bad day defensively and you didn't see it because they didn't take advantage of it. But you know, he did enough as a rush rate over 30 rushing yards on the opening drive where I kind of felt like I'm not. I'm not going to be afraid to go back to him. I just understand that every single week he can play poorly enough where he. He's so Boomer bust. But there were a lot of chances. It was. He wasn't that far away from having actually a pretty huge game against the Lions, in my opinion.

[Adam]

I can't wait to start him next.

[Dave]

Week at New England.

[Jamie]

Sure, that's fair to say. And then he's on by after that. But there is. We talk about ceiling and floor all the time. I don't think he's got that good of a floor comparable to other quarterbacks. And there are so many quarterbacks that are worth starting right now.

[Dave]

People.

[Adam]

People are.

[Dave]

If you're watching on YouTube, where am I? I'm in Fort Lauderdale. I'm in our office. And this is where I'm at for today and for tomorrow and Tuesday and Wednesday. I'll be in the big beautiful studio. All right, Heath, you can give me a bonus. Winner or loser, up to you.

[Heath]

The running back carousel in Denver turns on DeAndre Jonte Williams. Biggest winner last week, big loser this week. You can't trust any of these guys. Thankfully, there's nobody on a buy, so I think I can maybe even get all of them outside of my top 36. Javante or Jaleel McLaughlin actually leads the team. Seven carries for 44 yards. Doesn't catch a pass, though. Doesn't really matter. They're all awful. Like, we have one more terrible bye week coming week 14. I don't even know who the Broncos playing week 40.

[Dave]

They're on a buy.

[Heath]

You probably just drop them all.

[Adam]

I think this was, this was Sean Payton was going to be this Jaleel McLaughlin week because he got off to a good start and then he kind of twisted his ankle a little bit and it felt like they went away from him for a while. It seemed like this was okay. We got you the estimate week two weeks ago. We got to the Javante game last week and this is going to be Jill Stern.

[Jamie]

I'm spending all my time in Heath's roof had more rushing arts than Javante Williams. Javante played 55% of the snaps and slight edge on third down snaps. Broncos only got inside the 10 yard line once all game long. That was a little weird. So any opportunities to score in short yardage were taken away. Not that Javante would have gotten it. It's disappointing me for sure that Javonte Williams did not have a better game than he did.

[Dave]

That was a very funny line that I talked over in case you didn't hear it. Javante had eight carries for negative 2 yards. Dave said the iguana in Heath's roof had more Russian guards than Javate Williams. Very good.

[Heath]

I just want to clarify. He's not in the roof.

[Dave]

He's not.

[Heath]

He's in between the first floor ceiling and the second floor floor.

[Adam]

If he was in the room, get him out.

[Heath]

I could get him. No, I have traps set up around my house. I. We've tried a lot of things. I. It's.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's got to be driving crazy. I'm sorry, man.

[Adam]

It's.

[Heath]

It's not great.

[Jamie]

Well, at least you don't have Javante Williams living in between floors.

[Heath]

I don't have Javante Williams in my flex in 17 different leagues.

[Dave]

Oh, man. But I know you have Keenan Allen in several leagues. So we'll talk about him in a little bit. Tomorrow on beyond the Box Score. I don't know what we're going to talk about yet. I'm going to ask him to send out a tweet on Sunday night and say, hey, what do you guys want to hear about? And we'll talk about that. We'll have advanced metrics, we'll have a Sunday Night Football recap Beyond the Box Score noon Eastern on YouTube.com fantasy football today. And I'll get that audio out at about 2pm Eastern for you. All right. We got a segment called Surprise. Here are some surprising things from week 12. Christian McCaffrey is not your league Winning running back. I put dot, dot yet probably put a question mark on the end of that. But Christian McCaffrey, 11 carries for 31 yards and three catches for 37 yards and a fumble. And I think at this point, Jamie, it's pretty surprising. Christian McCaffrey, three games, no touchdowns, 16.7 points, 14.6 points. And I didn't do the math, but 6.8, nine points, I think 7.8 fantasy points today at Green Bay. Are you. How concerned are you about McCaffrey at Buffalo next week?

[Adam]

I'm very concerned. If Trent Williams does not play, I don't care who the quarterback is. They need Trent Williams back there. He's the biggest difference maker of that offense. It was bad. It was really bad. And this is. Now, if you listen to Friday's show, I said the stat of the day for. Stat of the game for this Packers 49ers game was that McCaffrey had gone the second time in his. In his tenure with San Francisco, but first time since Week 11 and 12 of the 2022 campaign that he had gone two straight games without touchdown. His first time in San Francisco, he's gone three straight games that touchdown. So it's. It's. It's troubling. It's really troubling. You know, so again, if. If Williams plays, it's. It's a huge plus. If Purdy plays, it's a huge plus. But this offense is not good without its anchor on the offensive line.

[Jamie]

All right, are they staying on the east coast or are they flying back? Anybody know? Because they're at Buffalo next week. So back to back road games, question mark at offensive line, question mark it.

[Adam]

On deep on the East Coast.

[Dave]

Yeah, I wouldn't really call this the East Coast. I think they're probably going back.

[Jamie]

Yeah, a lot of flying for them to do. And back to back road games are never easy.

[Adam]

They're not staying out here during Chicago.

[Jamie]

What do you mean?

[Heath]

You're from Chicago.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I'm aware of that.

[Heath]

You know, like, if Adam said that Wisconsin was the East Coast, I would kind of like, okay, yeah.

[Jamie]

You were, like, from San Francisco all the way over to the middle of the United States. If you want to call Green Bay the middle of the United States. And it is. And then they go even further than that against Buffalo. Those are freaking long flights, man.

[Dave]

Yeah, it's gonna be tough.

[Jamie]

No, they're not playing right on the eastern seaboard. I'm sorry, they're not playing.

[Heath]

They're not playing in the eastern North Carolina.

[Jamie]

In Maine.

[Dave]

I don't think that was the crazy.

[Adam]

Can we get, can we get the packers moved to the NFC east, please?

[Dave]

I don't think that was the craziest thing said about that game, though, in my personal opinion. And this is. This is how our shows run long, so I probably shouldn't bring this up.

[Jamie]

Yeah, this is when our shows are good, too.

[Dave]

But while I do appreciate how great Trent Williams is, Jamie, I do think Brock Purdy is a bigger deal than Trent Williams.

[Adam]

There is not a person in that San Francisco organization will say that Brock Purdy is more important than Trent Williams.

[Dave]

Oh, give me a break. First of all, nobody knows if. Nobody knows if that's true or false, but I think that I do a.

[Adam]

Show every week, every Sunday with a guy that just went to the super bowl with the 49ers and he will say that 1000% Logan Ryan was just in the super bowl with the 49ers and he knows that the most important player in that team is Trent Williams.

[Dave]

So they would have, they might have.

[Jamie]

Had a chance to win today if Trent Williams had played.

[Adam]

No, they might not have had a chance to win today without Trent Williams. They weren't winning this game no matter what. So you lose Nick Bosa, you lose Trent Williams, you lose Brock Purdy. All three of those guys are huge. But the most important person to that team right now is Trent Williams.

[Dave]

All right. I mean, look, I. All right, I don't know. I think that's probably a good debate.

[Jamie]

But Brock Purdy, really important and when they all don't play, that team is terrible.

[Dave]

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[Heath]

So the craziest thing now is the idea that the 49ers might be playing on Sunday.

[Adam]

Who's the backup quarterback?

[Dave]

Brandon Allen.

[Adam]

Who's the backup left tackle?

[Dave]

I don't. I don't even know.

[Heath]

Idea.

[Jamie]

I'll tell you.

[Adam]

I mean, I don't know what Shanahan will say. I know what a former player on that team would say. And I mean, again, they could not run the ball. They could not block their quarterback.

[Dave]

Ask him that. Ask him that specific question. Because I know it's kind of easy to say, like, Trent Williams is the most important player, but when you actually really have to put that on paper and make that decision, I believe it's probably correct.

[Heath]

I think the other side of this is, like, it seems as though. And I made a statement this morning that Dave made a. Like, I farted on the podcast face about calling Brock Purdy Mr. Irrelevant and just saying what the system had done for him. Like, what if Brock Purdy was on the Giants, do you think that they would be a playoff team?

[Dave]

Josh, he'd be out of the league. If Brock Purdy won the Giants, he'd.

[Adam]

Be out of league. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's entirely possible. The thing that Brock Purdy does very well is what's asked of him in San Francisco. So, yeah, he was missing are irrelevant for a reason. Older quarterback prospect, solid at best at Iowa State, although he won plenty of games for them. But he goes to the 49ers and he runs the offense to Kyle Shanahan specifications. And he's gotten better.

[Dave]

I don't think he.

[Jamie]

Just remember when he first got in there, he still did a good job, and he's gotten better since. So I. I think he's a pretty important part of what they do. Could they find another quarterback? Like, if Brock Purdy retired, could they find another person who could be 80 of Brock Purdy? Yes. It's just not Brandon Allen.

[Heath]

They did go to the super bowl with Jimmy G.

[Dave]

Listen, let's. Like, Purdy has become a really good quarterback. I mean, he. He's not just a product of this.

[Jamie]

But to be fair, if he went to the Giants, I don't think he would. I don't think the Giants would suddenly be, well, the 49ers are a game below.500, but before this year they were winning. With Purdy, I don't think they'd be a winning team. There's a lot that goes into playing quarterback and and obviously scheme matters a lot. And scheme in New York isn't nearly as good as the scheme in San Francisco.

[Dave]

All right, we got to take a break here. We'll come back, talk about Keenan Allen and more after this. On Moore was tackle, by the way. Thank you. We'll be right back.

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[Heath]

I think he does, and I know he's been really bad and it's just one game and you don't want to chase one game. But the difference with Keenan Allen and a lot of guys who might do something like this is he's been dominating targets. He's been the number one target since the buy like, and he wasn't producing. But if a guy who's been getting 10 targets a week all of a sudden has an enormous game like this, like the 15 targets is dumb because they threw 47 passes. And that's probably not going to happen, but he is probably going to have a 25 to 30 target share every week. It seems that's what he's been doing. And so at the, at the very least, he needs to be rostered.

[Adam]

I think it was pretty impressive that Heath made a huge trade in our dynasty league. And it felt like Keenan Allen was the throw in and he was better than both Joe Mixon and Travis Kelsey combined by a lot.

[Heath]

Yeah, I, I told, I told my son that exact thing I said. Remember that trade I told you I made? Well, Keenan Allen outscored both Travis Kelsey and Joe Mixon.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

All right. Surprise. I'll put a question mark on this one, but Sean Tucker is Tampa Bay's goal line running back. Now, we didn't get to see what happened after he fumbled, but he got in at the one yard line twice. That was annoying. And if that's the case, that's, that's, that stinks. But they all scored. All three running backs scored today. Dave, your quick take on the Bucks running backs.

[Jamie]

Irving is the one that looked the best. He also played the most 55% of the snaps. He played two or three snaps inside the five yard line. And this is kind of what I was hoping for was that Bucky Irving would be the one who took over and be that best guy in the backfield. He had just as many carries as White, but White had seven fourth quarter carries when the game was a blowout. Irving's yards per carry was 4.2 yards better than Rashad White. So how, how can they watch these guys play and say that Bucky Irving and Rashad White are on the same exact level, that they are both good when Bucky Irving is just absolutely blowing them out as a runner and as a passer. Today Irving took the lead in receptions and receiving yards among running backs in Tampa in their past five games. That was something that really stood out to me. Rashad White has six more catches than Bucky Irving on the season. If Bucky sees a little bit more playing time, he can overtake Rashad White as the best passing downs guy and the best running back on the team. And their schedule is so good the rest of the way. I hope you guys traded for Bucky everything. Carolina Las Vegas at the Chargers is their toughest game at Dallas. Carolina at home in week 17.

[Dave]

Yeah. All right. And surprise, A Kansas City tight end has two touchdowns in two straight games. And heathen isn't Travis Kelsey.

[Heath]

Who has more points this season? Okay, Noah Gray or Dalton Kincaid?

[Adam]

No, Gray.

[Jamie]

It's Gray.

[Heath]

Noah Gray has outscored Dalton Kincaid this season. You know what, it's great for Patrick Mahomes. Things are awesome right now for Patrick Mahomes. It's now five good games in a row. 25.6 fantasy points per game since DeAndre Hopkins joined the Chiefs. That makes him QB5 over that span.

[Dave]

And Noah Gray over the last two games leads the team with three end zone targets. Obviously those could easily go to Kelsey in the next two games. And surprise Jamie Jordan. Addison was better than Justin Jefferson. And let me tell you something about the Bears, right? Because the Bears go into this game giving up the fewest fantasy points to wide receivers. But pretty much every wide receiver that gets eight or more targets against the Bears does well. It just never happens. There's only been six now all season with I believe with eight or more I put eight to 10, but I don't think anyone's gone over that. But, but six, I think six wide receivers with eight or more targets. Two of them today. Is it two of them today? No. Oh no, no, I'm sorry. One was Hawkinson. So just one wide receiver with eight or more targets. But yeah, Addison had a big game. Jefferson struggled again. Are you more encouraged by Addison or discouraged by Jefferson?

[Adam]

More encouraged by Addison, you know, and last week he had a good game as well. Left in the fourth quarter with cramping. It's. It's fun to see. You know, it makes, makes this more. This offense more diverse. There'll be a get right game coming for Jefferson. You don't have to worry about him. You know, it's been a little frustrating. We had that question on the mailbag about how we continue to rank him so high despite the fact that he's never finished first in the first in the week at his position. But he's still producing at a top five at least prior to this week at the top five clip. So I'm not worried about him. But it is nice to see Addison coming along and after a frustrating start to the season, had an injury. Sam Darnold's leaning on him. You know, it's going to be one of these offenses I think where there's going to be two guys producing on a week to week basis and one guy probably left out. You just don't like to see Jefferson being the one left out.

[Dave]

And two straight games with a target share around 27 for Jordan Addison. He's only done that three times all year. Three times over 18% all year and it's been two of those. Three have been the last two games. So let's get to your news and notes right now. And Tommy DeVito is going to be the starter next week if he's healthy. He did get a little banged up in this game, so they play Thursday on Happy Thanksgiving. You get Cowboys, Giants start eating dinner at 4pm Eastern. If he's healthy, he'll be the starter for the Giants. Drake May his I saw this cool stat. His first 10 career touchdowns have gone to 10 different receivers. That's great for him and bad for fantasy Bo Nick's tweaked his back, but he looks fine. Gardner Minshew, though, is out for the season. He has a broken collarbone and Desmond Ritter took over, but Aiden O'Connell could be back pretty soon. O'Connell in a Super flex league or whatever if you. If you're desperate. He's widely available. He's not currently on ir and Baker Mayfield had a stinger, but he seems fine as well running and by the way, he's. He'll probably tell you later, but Baker Mayfield. A very unlucky game for Baker Mayfield just played fantastic football. Didn't get the fantasy points to show it. Two running back injuries for Washington. Brian Robinson Jr. Got hurt early, came back left again with an ankle injury and Eckler got hurt at the very end of the game, basically on a kickoff return. Eckler has a concussion. They get Tennessee and then a buy. Jamie, you're gonna. How high do you think Jeremy McNichols will be in your waiver wire column?

[Adam]

Relatively high. I hope Robinson's okay. You know, the fact that he's able to come back in and test it out, that could be good, that could be bad. You know, we don't know if he re aggravated the injury or not or just didn't feel comfortable enough so he had to, you know, leave the game. He was standing on the sideline still in uniform after what? At least they showed a shot of him while Eckler got hurt. We don't know if that will kill clear the concussion protocol. It looked pretty nasty. So yeah. So McNichols and Chris Rodriguez. Remember last time we had this situation, it was Rodriguez looked like the better of the two coming off the previous game than the two games that Robinson missed. Then they both stunk the following week. It's it's, there's not, I think a reason to buy into starting either one. This Tennessee run defense has still been very good. They shut down Joe Mixon today. So with no teams on a buy, we're talking about maybe a flex. So we'll see how the rest of the next two games go Sunday night and Monday, but they will be one of the higher running back priority groups. McNichols over Rodriguez for me.

[Dave]

Okay, let's see other news here. Well, this is kind of interesting because I've been talking about how poorly Ramondre Stevenson's been running since he's come back from his foot injury. And I also like talked about how the Dolphins run defense been pretty good since they're by and the two combined those two things, unstoppable force and very movable object I guess where Montgomery or what's his name, Stevens had a horrible game but what I wanted to bring up, Antonio Gibson played 13 snaps in the fourth quarter and Ramon Dre Stevenson played one that could have just been a game script thing but Stevenson had been the third down back. So I'm just wondering if they're looking for a spark at what, you know, probably a reach but something to keep an eye on.

[Adam]

I mean they were, they were down 31 nothing at that point, right?

[Dave]

31 seven maybe.

[Jamie]

I mean they were down big pretty much the entire game. So the only, the only time I saw Ramandre in like the late game was for a two point conversion and then he had like a random catch very late in the game. But otherwise it was a lot of Gibson late. They, that's a team that didn't have any snaps in the red zone today.

[Adam]

I think for what you're talking about, Adam, yes, there's reason to be concerned about Ramon Dre. I don't think it's Gibson's taking over though.

[Dave]

No, I doubt it. But you know, but I think Ramonje really has to dominate the touches there for us to have confidence. So. All right. Anywho, wide receiver news. Josh Downs left with a shoulder injury but he came back. Khalif Raymond for the Lions. He left with an injury. Romeo Dobbs left with a concussion. They get Miami on Thanksgiving so probably not going to have Romeo Dobbs. Jatavian Sanders left with a neck injury and offensive line. Yeah, it's dead. Hopefully he's okay. Minnesota left tackle Cam Robinson, remember he's replacing Christian Darasaw. He left in the first quarter with a foot injury. Seattle lost an offensive guard Anthony Bradford. Washington has two injured offensive linemen right Tackle Andrew Wiley and center Tyler Beatis. And I don't know about Beat, as he was evaluated for a concussion in the fourth quarter. But Wiley left with a concussion. But that might be two players on the offensive line concussed. Another reason to be a little skeptical maybe of Jeremy McNichols against Tennessee. And the big defensive news. Houston's terrible, terribly performing secondary. Jalen Petrie, one of their safeties, he left with a shoulder injury. Oh, Trevor Lawrence, start of the week.

[Adam]

And Ivan Pace might not play right.

[Dave]

Fine. Mac Jones started the week. Ivan Pace, Minnesota linebacker, he left in the second quarter. And Tampa Bay had two injuries in their secondary as well. And they're at Carolina next week. Okay. Who? David Montgomery. I thought he was fine because he came back. I don't know why he was on the sideline.

[Jamie]

He didn't come back into the game as far as.

[Dave]

Okay, I apologize. Dave Montgomery left in the third quarter with a shoulder injury. I totally skipped that for. For no good reason. Winners and losers. Dave, we start with your winners. You had Bucky Irving, who we discussed, and Tony Pollard, 67% started, 24 carries, 119 yards and a touchdown, three catches, 10 yards at Houston. He's at Washington next week. Tony Pollard a winner for you.

[Jamie]

Props to Heath. He was very vigilant on Pollard said that he should be absolutely started across the board. And he had a good case for it. Heath because of the volume that, that he was anticipating. But it was more than just that. He dominated snaps. The Titans stayed competitive. They played, they got a lead early on. Houston Texans really couldn't take it over from them. Pollard scored, he had over 100 yards and he should remain a consideration next week at Washington and then his schedule the rest of the season. Jacksonville, Cincinnati at Indy at Jacksonville. That's good. So obviously when Ty J. Spears comes back, the fear is what's going to happen in games where Tennessee's playing from behind. How many of those games are they definitely playing from behind it? So Pollard could have game script in his favor for, you know, maybe not at Washington. That could be tough, but I don't know back and Cincinnati is the other one where they could be playing from behind.

[Adam]

I mean, first I was wrong on Ballard. I had him as a sit and start sit. So that was a bad call by me. Will Levis playing great?

[Jamie]

Sure is.

[Adam]

The last three weeks he has looked dramatically better. If he ever get protected, if he can ever get protected. I mean, he sacked eight times today. He made some great throws. I mean, you know, granted, he had some Players make plays for him. You know, the, the Chico Conko touchdown was not necessarily a Will Levis play. That wasn't Okonkwo play. But great play design. He's just looked better, you know. And if this offense can continue to stay competitive and perform like this, then it's going to be great for everybody.

[Heath]

I admittedly did not see a whole lot of Will Levis, but it was the most Will Levis like great box score ever because he had two interceptions and a pick six and took 8 secs. But if he could be like Jameis, that'd be awesome.

[Dave]

Yeah, I think he had seven sacks in the first half. I was trying to see if that was a record, but I don't, I didn't was not able to find that out. Okay, moving on to Jamie's winners, Jalen Waddle and Tua tonga by LOA SO2. 29.5 points against the Raiders in Week 11, 36.7 on a four touchdown day against the Patriots in Week 12 at Green Bay, then the jets at Houston. Nothing to fear there. Well, unless it's super cold, maybe in Green Bay on Thursday. But yeah, anyway, like what do you think about Tua who has, you know, he has a tendency to have these huge games, doesn't necessarily sustain it. And what do you think about him going forward?

[Adam]

I want to go back two games before that, the Buffalo game, because I think that's kind of where it started. You know, he had a 21 point game there. We all thought it was going to be a shootout between the Dolphins and the Rams and it wasn't. And both Tua and Stafford struggled. And so, you know, we, we talked about this on Thursday, you know, where I, for me, I just try to simplify it. Stafford at a 4 touchdown game against the Patriots 2 is coming off a 3 touchdown game against the Raiders start to. That's, I think exactly how I phrased it. And I was expecting him to play well, I probably should have made him the start of the week instead of Brian Robinson. So coming off this game facing the packers, you now have three guys you have to worry about in this. Four guys you got to worry about in this passing game. You know, the running back and the tight end and the two receivers, you know, so they're tough to defend. Toronto Armstead playing was huge. You know, in fact he came in a little questionable. So when he's protected, when his guys are making plays and you know that they can, they can dunk their way down the field and still score and they can have still some explosives. You want to see a shootout between them and the Packers? That'd be fun. Yeah, he's a must start quarterback until proven otherwise.

[Dave]

All right, we'll go to Heath's winners now, Jackson, Smith and Jigba who's 87% started so people are digging him and we already talked about KEENAN Allen, but JSN, six catches, 77 yards and a touchdown on seven targets. And I noted I didn't get to say this on the show because I wasn't on Friday, but Arizona actually really so far, they stink against the slot. They give up going into the game. Third most receiving yards to wide receivers out of the slot. He will get Arizona in two weeks. So sometimes that stat kind of leads me astray. I never know what to make of that slot stat. But for what it's worth, Arizona struggles. There just something to keep in mind going forward. But yeah, jsn, would you consider ranking him ahead of DK Metcalf?

[Heath]

Yeah, yeah I had, I was too high on DK this week. I think I had DK 7th and JSN 11th. You said it this morning like we I will give me one more week of JSN being really good with dk. And he wasn't just really good like he had seven targets in this game. Metcalf and Lockett had eight. He had six catches, they had six combined. He had almost as many yards as they had combined and scored the only team, the team's only touchdown. He's a focal point of the offense. Tyler Lockett has thankfully mostly gone away and he's a must start wide receiver regardless of matchup.

[Adam]

He also had a 20 some odd yard reception called back due to penalty. And so two, two trends that held or one sorry, one tread that held from what we talked about on Friday, one that did not. So this was the worst game for a number one wide receiver against Seattle all season. So Marvin Harrison, you know, disappointing us a little bit. But remember we talked about DK's history against Arizona and it's not good. He just struggles against his team. So I don't think you want to necessarily sit him in a couple weeks with you know the six teams on a buy again in week 14 but maybe not, you know, have high expectations.

[Dave]

It's such a weird thing with dk. It's like been Patrick Peterson but different, you know, Byron Murphy, they're gone. Different coaching staff. Yeah, that's a weird thing.

[Adam]

Oh and he had a great point. It was, you know, he played one game against this defense and it's not necessarily the best indicator, but now it's. I'm sorry, two games against them, right? No, one game.

[Heath]

This was the second game against this defense with this coordinator.

[Adam]

Right. But it's just this history in. In this matchup or whatever. It's not good.

[Heath]

There was. I don't want to derail us, Adam, but one of our listeners had a forecast. It is currently forecast to be 22 degrees on the east coast.

[Adam]

Really?

[Heath]

On Thursday night on the eastern seaboard.

[Dave]

Oh, man. 22 on Thanksgiving. And green. Yeah, it's. It's interesting. It's. If it's like a clean, crisp 22. I don't know if there's any wind, forget it. But. And the good thing is he doesn't throw the ball downfield to it anymore. He just dinks and dunks his way down the field. So even in this game, you know, it's just still like, super low adot. All right, let's go to our losers, and we'll start with Heath's losers, however. Psych. We're going to take a commercial break. We'll be right back after this. Talk about Heath's losers. Who? Kyler Murray. And we already talked about Javante Williams, but Kyler was terrible. What do we make of it? We'll tell you after this break. Hey, order up.

[Adam]

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[Dave]

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[Heath]

Every time I feel like Kyler Murray's a must start quarterback again, he drops one of these on us. I, he's not close to Magic 8 ball territory, but he might not be far from Anthony Richardson territory. Just like he might score 30 this week and he might score. What do you get today? Nine. And I, I'd make this a double loser because. And they're direct, directly related, like Marvin Harrison, first off, he destroyed the narrative two weeks ago because he got five targets and he was good. Today he gets six targets and he's bad. Even in the fourth quarter when they're like down two scores and must go score quick, it's dump off to Trey McBride, dump off to James Connor. Dump. Like if you want to send him down the sideline and throw up a jump ball, let's do that. Now.

[Dave]

I don't want to ask you guys.

[Heath]

He's a, he's a, he's, he's a boom bus number three wide receiver.

[Dave]

So I'm worried that, and I even thought, you know, in the back of my mind, I said on the show this morning, whatever, 15 wide receivers have done that scored this many points against Seattle and these Magic, whatever. But I thought back to last week and I know Jennings was really good, but they held the Niners to like, I think 19 points. And I'm wondering, they're coming out there by, they're probably healthier now than they've been. Right. Especially in the secondary. And maybe we have to start looking at the Seattle matchup differently.

[Heath]

I, I, but it doesn't like for Harrison, it doesn't have anything to do like he, this was, he's had one game with more than six targets since October 6th.

[Dave]

I don't want to make excuses for hours. I was more thinking going forward.

[Heath]

But yeah, he's got one game over 60 yards since September 22nd.

[Dave]

Yeah, no, it's tough. All right. I'm sorry, I hope, I hope you listen to Heath and I didn't convince everybody to start.

[Heath]

I, no, I didn't sit him. I just really, really uncomfortable with him.

[Dave]

Yeah. All right. Javante Williams is Your loser. We talked about that. Jamie's losers. Justin Jefferson, who we discussed, says not worried he'll have a bounce back. And Kareem Hunt I almost like 16 carries for. It wasn't terrible. 16 for 68, three for 19 yards receiving at Carolina. But are you starting to feel a little bit better about Pacheco?

[Adam]

If Pacheco is going to be 100 healthy, then sure you're going to, you know, love the fresher legs coming in and, you know, doing what Kareem Hunt was doing when he first got the job and what Pacheco was doing before he got injured. I mean, that's the potential of what the running back in this offense is. But the fear is, okay, you got a running back coming back from a broken leg. Are they going to ease him back in? And then we're getting a disaster for both of these guys, you know, just depending on one of them scoring a touchdown. So as he said, also, you know, is it going to be, you know, Samaj P. Ryan dissing up here on passing downs work. So there's a lot still to be determined with this team. You know, you wonder if they'll bring him back for the game against the Raiders, who just shut down this Broncos running attack, whether that was the Broncos shutting themselves down or just, you know, the Raiders run defense improving. So there's a lot of things, a lot of things at play here. I think if you, if you do get Pacheco back, you kind of want it to be next week because no team's on a buy. So maybe you have everything at your disposal that you don't have to play one of the Chiefs running backs. But if you are forced to play one, I still think you got to give the edge to Kareem Hunt in the first game just because they're going to probably ease Pacheco back in.

[Jamie]

That's the thought. This is an unofficial tally, as are all running back snap counts. He had 54% of the snaps at Carolina. It's his lowest. If that holds true. It's his lowest snapshare since his first game with Kansas City when he had 45%. That's a seven game low for Kareem Hunt. And this blowout, obviously by any stretch.

[Adam]

It'S where snap count and touches really don't make sense because. And why snap count was really somewhat irrelevant because if you tell me he's playing a season or see or second lowest snapshare and he's getting 19 touches, like I don't care how many snaps he's playing. He's getting that many touches.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's a good point. All right, well, look, he's not. He's not irreplaceable, I guess. I mean, I don't mean in your fantasy lineup. I mean for the Chiefs. It's not like he's playing so well that.

[Heath]

No, I just don't think. And they even said it on the broadcast today, like he's not going away when Pacheco comes back. That doesn't mean Pacheco won't be the lead back eventually. But it's not going to be Pacheco, I don't think. Touching the ball 19 times a game.

[Dave]

All right, Dave, let's get to your losers here. One of them, we already discussed it was Anthony Richardson and Tyrone Tracy Jr. 75% started, ran pretty well. Nine carries for 42 yards, four catches for 28 yards. That was terrific. But he fumbled on the opening drive of the third quarter and did not have a carry the rest of the game. He did have a few catches after that late in the game on the last possession. Three catches. But yeah, Devin Singletary is actually someone who's maybe someone we should pick up off waivers. I don't know how you feel about that, but what do you think?

[Jamie]

I don't feel good about that, but that's just because we could be looking at a split moving forward between Singletary and Tracy back to maybe where it was when Tracy first started to get going, not when he was only playing like 20% of the snaps. Abel said he still has a lot of confidence in Tracy, but in the next breath, can't turn the ball over. So how many more times is he going to do it before he's completely shelved like he was for like the entire third quarter? Once he fumbled, he came back in zero carries. Like you said, I don't know how we can feel good about starting him.

[Dave]

Let's take a look at the top five players at each position in six point per passing touchdown leagues. And we'll start NPPR as well. We'll start with Jamie. I'll give you the quarterbacks. Tua's number one, Jaden Daniels and Patrick Mahomes. These three guys scored 34 or more fantasy points. Tua, Daniels, Mahomes, Caleb Williams. 47 pass attempts, 33 rushing yards and 30 fantasy points for Caleb Williams and Sam Darnold in that same game. I mean, we got a Fun Little Shootout, 30 to 27 Minnesota, but it's Tua, Daniels, Mahomes, Caleb and Darnold. Pick someone there Jamie, give Dave credit.

[Adam]

He was behind, you know, backing Sam Darnold this week and he delivered a strong game. You know, could have had a couple turnovers in there because still Sam Darnold making some sloppy plays. But look, TJ Hawkinson played great. Jordan Addison played great. You know, if you were to say prior to the game taking on the Bears and Justin Jefferson does this. Can anybody have faith in Sam Darnold? David probably been the only one. No. So great call there. Caleb Williams was good to see. You know, it, it was, it was fun to watch. You know him. The throat of DeAndre Swift was unreal.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

And you know, Keenan Allen stepping up, I think was huge. DJ Moore having a big game was huge. Look, second game in, in Thomas Brown's system. He played well last week. 70 yards rushing, you know, 200, I think 70 yards passing the, the week before, just no touchdowns. So you see the upside and you see what he's capable of doing. So this is certainly encouraging moving forward. Tough matchup against Detroit, but we'll see what their secondary looks like. We know the pass rush is not the same and obviously the tackling is not the same without Anzalone on the field too. So there could be another opportunity here for Caleb Williams to play. Well, you're just probably not starting him in one quarterback.

[Dave]

All right, let's go to our top running backs for this week. And Josh Jacobs is number one. Bucky Irving is number two. This is the third three touchdown game of the Josh Jacobs career, by the way. Jacobs, Irving, Jameer Gibbs, Tony Pollard and Devon Achan, I don't really know. Let's go to number six, Heath, Aaron Jones. Nice bounce back game for Aaron Jones against the Bears. We know they don't have a great run defense. He, he was great. 22 carries, 106 yards and a touchdown, three catches, 23 yards. He scored about 20 fantasy points.

[Heath]

Yeah, he was somebody I was a little concerned about as a low end, number two running back. It was good to see him handling that much work and Cam Acres not being a factor and Jones looking healthy. That's awesome. Start him with confidence.

[Jamie]

He also, I, I know we don't care about snapshare. I do. 78 of the snaps was huge for Aaron Jones. And the fact that they entrusted him with more work than they did before, that just tells me that they saw what I saw, which is he's there easily. They're more most explosive back and someone who can do anything they ask on the field. Hopefully he's just healthy. Like that's the most important part is that he's just healthier than he's been in the last few weeks and that fed his efficiency. He was good right away in this game. He played well. There's one play where he didn't play well. He fumbled at the goal line very early on. But outside of that he was very, very good. And you can start him with confidence now.

[Dave]

Okay, Dave. Top five wide receivers are Addison Sutton, Jalen Waddle, D.J. moore and Keenan Allen. And number six is Jacoby Myers. If you'd like to discuss Jacoby Myers.

[Jamie]

Well, let's start with Coral and Sutton who kind of. I think he had a very quiet first half. I don't know what the numbers were. I don't even know if he had any catches in the first half. So forgive me, but monstrous second half finished with 29 PPR points. Clearly the number one wide receiver of Bo Nicks. Bo Nicks is playing extremely well. I think I'm getting comfortable with the idea of Cortland Sutton as a must start top 12 type of fantasy wide receiver. Especially when you think about other wide receivers who we drafted to be number one wide receivers who just, we can't call them that anymore. The, the Lambs, the neighbors, the Marvin Harrison juniors of the world. I think Sutton qualifies and if he's not top 12, then he's close to it. He's been awesome. Addison and Waddle were awesome, but I don't know how far we can trust them. Number three wide receivers at minimum. Sure. Number two, you're going to take a chance with them. And the same thing with DJ Moore. This was another game where DJ Moore had a low A.it was like three and a half yard ADOT. His touchdown was on a screen that he took 10 yards in the red zone. It's a nice play and I like the targets but I, I wish his adot was further downfield. Maybe that's a step the Bears take eventually. And then Jacoby Myers, I, I thought he'd be okay. 15 targets. Anytime you're getting 15 targets then I think you've got a good shot to fall into some good production. And that's what Jacoby Myers did. And, and I would imagine we're going to continue to see one of Myers or Bowers get double digit targets every single game for the rest of the year for the Raiders.

[Dave]

And our top five tight ends in week 12 are Trey McBride at 25 fantasy points. Johnny Smith, nine catches, 87 yards and a touchdown, 23 fantasy points, almost 24. Noah Gray George Kittle and TJ Hawkinson. Jamie. What stands out? McBride, Johnny, Noah Gray, Kittle, Hawkinson.

[Adam]

Johnny Smith is a must start tight end until further notice. You know, he's just continuing to stack good games on good games. Packers have really struggled against tight ends. They did again today, you know, with George Kittle. Clearly Kittle's a different, you know, beast, but still with the way that John is playing right now with the targets that he's getting, the production he's giving you, there's no reason to go away from him. Hawkinson's going to be an interesting case study because this is now two good games and two stinkers. Will it continue? I hope so, but it's just hard to necessarily say. He's. He's completely back as a must start tight end.

[Dave]

Well, who didn't play today? That was big for Hawkinson.

[Heath]

Josh Oliver.

[Dave]

Josh Oliver. Because Josh Oliver had been out snapping him and outscoring him. I really. Not every week. What's that?

[Heath]

I should have said Justin Jefferson.

[Dave]

Yeah, Justin Jefferson. Right. But no. So here's the route participation for TJ Hawkinson in four games. 60% of the routes, 71.4%, 56.8% last week, 84.2% route involvement. That's great. That's what we want to see from TJ Hawkinson. I don't know if that's Josh Oliver or just him getting healthy, but that was a good thing to see. All right, we'll hop into the games now here. Let's see what's our first 1:00 game? Oh, Tampa Bay and the Giants. Why not? Tampa Bay 30, Giants 7. Mayfield was very good, but unlucky. Any concerns that Mike Evans won't be the league winner? We were hoping. Four or five catches, 68 yards on six targets.

[Adam]

He's got a lot of heavy lifting to do to get that 11 season to 1,000 yards. So I don't know if I'm ready to say that I. I think you're still going to get some big performances from him. As Dave noted with Bucky Irving. The schedule fantastic for Tampa Bay in all facets of all their matchups moving forward. So I still think he's going to be a must start wide receiver. You know, whether he's a top 10 guy, that just depends I think on what your team looks like. But for me I'm still going to be very encouraged by Mike Evans rest of the season.

[Heath]

If you like the fact that he scored 11.8 PPR fantasy points in a game where Baker only threw it 30 times. And I say only because it's the Tampa Bay and didn't throw a passing touchdown. I, I think Mike Evans gonna be just fine.

[Dave]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. As soon as I asked the Mike Evans question, I knew I shouldn't have asked it. I should have asked about Kate otten, who had one catch for 30 yards on three targets in the first game that Evans came back. So is. Are we concerned that Kate Otten won't be a must start tight end going forward?

[Jamie]

I would tell you that in, in a game where Bucky Irving had six targets and Rashad White really didn't have any targets. He had one. It's, it's a little concerning that the running backs could continue to take work away from Kate Otten. He was a good short area target. Target. What's a target?

[Adam]

I don't know.

[Heath]

Tell me to veto.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Did you hear his explanation for it?

[Heath]

Huh?

[Dave]

He said it was a tribute to Tommy DeVito, that he really likes Tommy DeVito. I think that is garbage. I think what happened was they, they gave like a little bit of a cheap shot to Baker Mayfield. I, I don't know. It was like kind of a late hit outta bounce, didn't get flagged and he was really angry about it and he just seemed very fired up after it. But he said it was a tribute to Tommy DeVito. But. All right, so we could be a little.

[Jamie]

You saw Sterling Shepard get seven targets. I don't think that's something that we should expect. So there's going to be games where Otten bounces back. I'm not that worried about Kate Otten, nor am I worried about Mike Evans. He played like 58% of the snaps.

[Dave]

I have to ask about Malik Neighbors here did not have a target. I don't think in the first half ended up with what, something like 6 for 62 on nine targets, all in the second half. But it's just a dysfunctional offense. So how much faith can we have? I mean, is this like what you're hoping for? You're happy with this from, from Malik Neighbors, you almost relieved that he scored 12 fantasy points?

[Adam]

Relieved? Yes. He said after the game, I started getting the ball when it's 30. Nothing. What do you want me to do? And then he followed up with talk to Dave's about that.

[Dave]

It's going really well.

[Heath]

It might be a dysfunctional locker room also.

[Dave]

I mean, they put cameras in his face begging for him to say something that's going to make front page news.

[Adam]

Well, I mean, look, he's the only marketable player. You saw how they're promoting Thursday night, the Thursday's game. It's Malik Neighbors versus CD Lamb. I mean when do you ever see two receivers, you know, get, get that type of profile, especially one as a rookie? It's, it's, it's bad. Everything is bad for the Giants right now. You know, the fact that, you know, Tracy didn't have a better game against this defense. The fact that Neighbors didn't have a better game against this defense. The quarterback plays terrible. The offensive line is not playing well. The coaching staff, you know, has probably got the memo try and lose. I mean that's just where they, where they are. Especially if these guys are coming back. Like that's the worst thing that's, that, that could, that could be happening is that their jobs are safe. If that's so going to be the, the situation, they're trying to get a hard traffic.

[Dave]

Okay. Against Dallas, Minnesota 30 Chicago 27. And Darnold and Caleb, we're good. All right, so are we buying into Caleb Williams? I will point out 47 pass attempts and we've been fooled and even think about this with Keenan Allen and with Dunes, whatever.

[Adam]

What was, what was it in regulation?

[Dave]

That's a good question.

[Heath]

I think he got sacked on the. Before he got a first down, didn't he? He took a terrible second overtime.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Dave]

Yeah, they, they had a pretty quick possession so I'm guessing it was in the 45 range in regulation. But, but you know you get can get fooled but I've called it out before. Right. These, some of these players. It was even the Bears earlier in the year after a 50 pass attempt game. So anyway, are we buying into the Bears passing offense? Starting with specifically.

[Jamie]

He had one pass attempt in the. In overtime.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Adam]

So.

[Dave]

So do you think he needs to be added in more leagues? He's 64 rostered. Caleb Williams, something like that.

[Heath]

No.

[Adam]

Yes. I mean 67 again, when you're, when you're looking at what he's done the last two games, it's encouraging. So I mean how many quarterbacks do you feel great about right now?

[Jamie]

A bunch. Yeah.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I think I can name 12.

[Dave]

I'm going through my leagues right now and I, I don't feel like there are that many where I'm like, oh, if Caleb Williams is available, I'm definitely picking him up.

[Heath]

I'm in a 210 team Super Flex league that I started will Levis this week and if I could get Caleb Williams in that league I would like to.

[Dave]

Are you upset that you started Will I pick Will Levis up, by the way, you know.

[Heath]

Well, currently we're projecting to score win by three and Amir Abdul Doula scored 15, so.

[Dave]

Well, okay, but you know. Oh, that was you. You picked up a beer of duel. That was good. Good job. All right then DeAndre Swift. Bad game. Tough matchup for DeAndre Swift, though. But he's at Detroit next week. It's another tough matchup. So we'll have to evaluate revenge game. Yeah. Yeah, it is. All right. Detroit. Speaking of Detroit. Detroit 24, Indianapolis 6. All right. You know, it's the golf because kind of like Mayfield. The golf game was kind of like Mayfield except he didn't have a rushing touchdown. But this happens sometimes with them. Jameson Williams actually led the team in receiving, five catches, 64 yards on septux. I don't think we have much to say about this team except unless you want to talk about Laporta. He had six targets but three catches for 19 yards Otten or Laporta. Who do you feel better about rest of season?

[Jamie]

Kate out?

[Adam]

Neither.

[Heath]

Yeah, I don't. I mean I, I think I've.

[Adam]

Hope.

[Heath]

Nobody on a buy next week. Like you shouldn't need to start either one of them.

[Dave]

All right. We talked about Richardson. Let's talk about Jonathan Taylor. 11 carries, 45 yards, no catches. He now has five catches in six games with Anthony Richardson. This stinks. They are, they do have a much better schedule though. New England next week and then about it's not that great after that. But is he an easy start? Is Jonathan Taylor an easy start next week against New England? At New England?

[Jamie]

Yes, he should be. But this is another running back who like he's played poorly. I think the offensive line is part of the reason because he hasn't had Ryan Kelly for two games. His left tackle has been out. So that combined with Richardson in the backfield, I, I, it is a little worrisome that Jonathan Taylor isn't having more efficiency with a running quarterback next to him.

[Dave]

And yeah, Lions have a just a very good run defense. All right. Josh Downs got seven targets, didn't do much with it. How about my, I don't have my mixer with me. So Heath, you said, yeah, you know, Michael Pittman's not not that bad of a start. He leads the team in targets with Richardson, all that stuff and he came through big game for Pitman.

[Heath]

You are giving me a lot more credit tonight than I deserve. But yeah, I think I said he would be an okay flex and he did see his target share come back in the first game that Richardson came back last week and then he had a 25% target share in this game this week I think absolutely. Michael Pittman against the Patriots. If there's no Josh Downs, he might be a top 30 guy. If there is Josh Downs, he's somewhere between 30 and 40 next week, Kansas.

[Dave]

City 30 and Carolina 27. Surprisingly close game here. Carolina obviously an improving team. Emma Homes with a big game, 34.8 fantasy points. Okay, how are we feeling about DeAndre Hopkins? Five catches, 35 yards and a touchdown on six targets. And how are we feeling about Xavier Worthy? These guys were started in, both of them were around 60% started. And next week they get Las Vegas, then the Chargers. So just overall thoughts, Jamie, I'll throw to you on Hopkins and Worthy is definitely encouraging.

[Adam]

What we've seen from Worthy the last two weeks. Last week a little bit better than today. Hopkins, I thought it a chance to you know, do something just given the matchup. Mahomes is playing better and that's the best part of this is that you know they're gonna hopefully get better left tackle play with the addition of DJ Humphrey, you know, which could be huge. You know just a, a smart signing for a very real well run franchise. So with the run game struggling with Mahomes starting to look like Mahomes again and look if he's giving you 60 yards rushing every week, that's going to be just incredible.

[Jamie]

But you know that 33 yard run, did you see that run that he had?

[Heath]

Yeah, it was just like we did to the 49ers earlier this year. Yeah, wasn't it 49ers might have been.

[Adam]

I mean look in the 20 to 30 yard rushing range, you know, consistently, which I think he's capable of. But, but in terms of the receivers, I think we're going to get to a point where maybe they creep into starters in three receiver leagues this week probably not week 14. Probably so I don't even care who the matchups are. That's just I think we're going to see from them. I just don't think you could trust them consistently. That's the problem.

[Dave]

Okay. And then for Carolina, Chuba Hubbard got pretty much all the work and he scored. You know it's hard to run against this team but they've now given up three rushing touchdowns in their last two games. Kansas City. So yeah. Anything to say about league it and feeling and David Moore with a huge game like any hot takeaways about the passing game.

[Adam]

Bryce Young looks good.

[Heath]

Yeah, I was gonna say competent, but yeah, agreed. Looks like a real NFL quarterback.

[Adam]

Yes.

[Jamie]

Definitely better than he used to.

[Dave]

Yeah. Well, does it really wonder what they're.

[Adam]

Gonna do come draft day?

[Dave]

Does it mean anything for the receivers?

[Adam]

I, I think lesser, lesser versions of the Chiefs guys, like in terms of what I just said, like you're not going to want to start them consistently but you know there, there's, there's potential there. You know, one thing that you got to be concerned about league is that Thielen coming back. You know, does he just become the number one go to guy there? I don't think the David Moore game is replicable.

[Heath]

And the problem with both the Chiefs and the Panthers wide receivers is that next week when nobody's on a buy, the Chiefs play the Raiders and the Panthers play the Buccaneers.

[Jamie]

Yay.

[Heath]

Then we have a bunch of teams on a buy and we need them. And the Chiefs play the Chargers and the Panthers play the Eagles, so.

[Dave]

You're so good at sarcasm. I couldn't tell if that was a real yay or not, but it was a real yay. It was a legit yay. The one yeah.

[Jamie]

Tell you about David Moore is that he's been consistently an every down player for Carolina for several weeks now. I added 10 targets. Just doesn't seem normal. I don't know why that happened but he, he is going to play a lot. You'd have to be really desperate to use David Moore.

[Dave]

All right. Dallas 32, Washington 27. Cowboys had the ball for 35 minutes and 12 seconds in this game. Cooper Rush gives you 22 points. CD Lamb. Do we consider CD Lamb a must start? Because basically what he's doing right now is catching a ton of short area targets. He's not making big plays or anything. But is he a must start in, In a half PPR? A half PPR league is a must start.

[Heath]

100.

[Jamie]

Absolutely.

[Heath]

Top 12 wide receiver in all formats.

[Adam]

Giants. Giants. Giants.

[Dave]

Yeah, well, I didn't mean just for week 13.

[Adam]

Look who's sitting CD Lamb right now.

[Dave]

Okay. Do you think when it comes to Jaden Daniels and Terry McLaurin McLaren had a huge play late in the game that was a 86 yard touchdown. Other than that, he had four catches for 16 yards on five targets. Do you. I almost compare this to the second half of the Jets Texans game where everything was looking incredible for the jets. Right. And they've been garbage since then. And Washington has been struggling and they were struggling pretty bad for three quarters against this pretty bad Cowboys defense. Do you kind of see where I'm going with this? Like, are we coming out of this game encouraged by the huge fantasy production from Daniels or McLaren or are we coming out of it a little skeptical based on the way it unfolded?

[Adam]

I'm encouraged by Daniels. Just because he ran more. Yeah, he, he made the big plays that you're, you know, kind of got at least started to get accustomed to before the rib injury. He looked healthy. So love to see that from him. I mean, look, McLaren is, is his number one receiver. You know, guys go through slumps, guys go through some down games. Like that's what stars do is they step up in big moments and he stepped up in a big moment when they needed him and they should have tied the game, you know, so it's, it's, it's not something that I'm, I'm, I'm worried about that. He had a sluggish first half. I'm starting him every week.

[Jamie]

I almost feel like he like jump started himself. Daniels did, because he didn't look the same or played the same for the past several weeks. It could absolutely be because of injury. And then just like something clicked for him. With three minutes to play in the fourth quarter, he, he hit his touchdown to Ertz and then he just caught absolute fire. He got caught fire before that. He was doing better before that. He had a good second half. But I wonder if this is something that we can trust and carry over with Daniels moving forward. Daniels and like the guy that we thought was a shoe in for rookie of the year.

[Adam]

There was a play in the game where early in the season, if he makes this, if this play happens, it probably goes for a huge game, a huge gain. It was, it was a drop pass. He was getting hit and he did like a two handed shovel pass to Austin Eckler and Eckler dropped it. And Greg Olson said if he had caught that, he had about 20 yards to run where there's nobody near him. And like that's when somebody, when something's going good versus when things are going rotten. And at that point, like they couldn't do anything offensively. I think the lack of a run game really killed them today because they, you know, they weren't able to do any sort of the RPO stuff and, and you know, the, the threat wasn't there when Brian Robinson got hurt. Neckler really wasn't running. Well. Give the, give the Cowboys credit. Look, they, they play better defensively obviously throughout the majority of that game. The offensive line Getting banged up certainly didn't help either. But the fact that Jayden Daniels, you know, looked like the guy we saw early in the season is extremely encouraging.

[Heath]

I really wish the Cowboys would go get Daniel Jones for Thursday. It would make everything so much better. But no, I didn't. I was watching the game and I had this thought in the first quarter. So before this all happened, this game is why Jake Seeley and myself and so many other people have been screaming banned kickers for a decade. Because Austin Sieber is nobody coming into the season. Nobody wants to draft him. And then he's the best kicker in fantasy. And then he and Brandon Aubrey's last year's best kicker in fantasy start the game 1 for 4 on field goals. He misses two extra points.

[Dave]

Like, yeah, but so what? So like, Kyler Murray had a horrible game. Geno Smith, the band, quarterbacks.

[Heath]

No, it's not the same thing at all.

[Dave]

It is the same thing. No, why is it the same thing? Guys have bad games because they come.

[Heath]

Out of complete nowhere for six weeks and are the best kicker in fantasy.

[Adam]

Well, I will. I will give you this, Heath, though, just as a counter to that. And I mentioned it to Dave and Adam and watching the games. So when I was looking at the waiver wire kickers, the Raiders number one in fantasy points allowed to kickers, and I was like, can I really recommend Will Lust as the best kicker? And I put him on the list. He was one of the top three guys we talked about. Monster game, right? So stats held, performance backed it up.

[Heath]

Fantasy points allowed to kickers.

[Dave]

Yeah, okay. Okay. I actually, by the way, I think Cyber had a pretty decent game for fantasy. Didn't have a good game at irl. And he was apparently holding back tears because he missed the extra point that would have tied the game next game.

[Adam]

It was a bad snap, by the way.

[Dave]

Yeah, he said. He said that the snap. For what it's worth, I don't know if he was lying. He said the snap did not affect his kick, that he just didn't under the bus.

[Heath]

Right.

[Dave]

Miami 34 and New England 15. So the Dolphins. Hooray. The Patriots. Oh, gosh. Like I. Do we have anything to say about the Patriots? Bad day at the. Bad day at the ballpark for them.

[Adam]

They'll play better next week.

[Jamie]

Dolphins defense is getting better. Like, it's easy to just pick on New England. Just say, well, they. They took on an easy offense and what have you, but Chop Robinson starting to get to the quarterback a little bit more. Anthony Walker got hurt he was a big part of their run defense for the past couple of weeks, but I just thought overall their defense played great. They needed something like this step in the right direction. We'll see how well they can compete against Green Bay.

[Dave]

Okay. All right, and let's go to. I'll answer this. Just go back to our last game. Who do you have more confidence in, Rico Dowdle or Ramandre Stevenson?

[Adam]

Rico.

[Heath]

Rico. Next week for sure.

[Adam]

I. I'll say this for what the offensive line looked like for the Cowboys with two. Two guards missing to do what he did today. And he was so involved, like, involved in a passing game. You know, the fumble was. Was a little frustrating, but still, he looked great today for. For where he's been the last few weeks.

[Jamie]

How many of these games do you think the Patriots can have a good game? Script in for Remandre Indianapolis next week at Arizona. I know Arizona played like crap, but I think they could blow out New England at Buffalo in week 16. No chance. Chargers at home, week 17. We might get one good game from Ramon Ray Stevenson the rest of the way. I think I'm with you. I think I like Dowdle a little better.

[Dave]

Okay, we got to take a break at one last time, and we've got, I think, four games left. So we'll break them down for you after this on fft. If you're a regular listener to the show, you know that I get sick a decent amount of times, right? I've got young kids, they go back to school, they bring home a cold, and eventually I catch it. And I know I'm not alone. I know a lot of you deal with the same issue here, but now I use Zicam as soon as I start feeling sick, if I sneeze, if my throat is sore, if I'm sniffling, I go get the Zycam. I always have Zycam in the house because it shortens the cold. You don't want to deal with a cold for a week. You want this to be over as quickly as possible. So that's why I use Zicam. And they've got rapid melts, medicated fruit drops, and a bunch of delicious flavors. That's my choice. Nasal swabs and a nasal spray, so you can choose from a variety of options. Feel a cold coming on at the first sign. Reach for cold shortening products from Zicam, the number one cold shortening brand. For best results, use at the first sign of a cold and continue to use until symptoms completely subside. Pick up Zicam in the cold and flu aisle. Or visit zicam.com to see where to buy online. I've been eating at Chipotle for at least 15 years, and for me, chicken burrito, white rice, guac salsa. That's my order. But I tried something new the other day. It's Chipotle's smoked brisket, and I'll be trying it again and again and again. It's so good. Seasoned with Mexican spices and finished with a smoky sauce with chipotle peppers. It's got so much flavor and it's got spice, but it's not too spicy. Now you trust me for fantasy advice. I give even better food advice. Go get Chipotle's smoked brisket. But Chipotle smoked brisket is only here for a limited time, so you need to go try it. It's available in all Chipotle restaurants, the Chipotle app or chipotle.com I'm a changed man. I am a brisket believer. Go get the Chipotle smoked brisket right now. Tennessee and Houston. Tennessee 32, Houston 27. Another rough day for Kaimi Fairbairn. Kickers, man. Some of the best kickers are struggling, but I say keep them, don't ban them, says I.

[Adam]

Well, they should cut Kymi Fairbairn.

[Dave]

I said, I heard on HQ, actually, that he's been more accurate from 50 or more than he from 20 to 30 or 20 to 29 this year. I mean, very strange one.

[Heath]

And he made a 54 year.

[Adam]

Can I ask a question?

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Yes. Did you hear that in the bathroom?

[Dave]

I did hear that in the bathroom.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

They have it piped in. It's great.

[Heath]

That's fantastic. I. I heard today on the broadcast. You know who the most accurate kicker of all time is now?

[Dave]

Who?

[Heath]

Eddie Pinero.

[Dave]

Wow.

[Adam]

Wow.

[Dave]

Okay, well, this is a good way to save time. All right. So what are your takeaways? Heath from Titans. Texans. No.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's their names. Titans. Texans.

[Heath]

We talked Tony Pollard already. Nico was awesome and lost another touchdown. Could have had an even bigger day. I don't know. Like, good game for. For Calvin Ridley.

[Dave]

We talked about Levis. Yeah, okay, just stop, stop. He's talking about Barkley. Barkley. He'll be okay. Nick Westbrook. Akine 43 rostered, 48 yard touched and a touchdown on five targets. How about Stroud? I mean, what's your confidence level in Stroud at Jacksonville next week? Stroud just, like, there's some encouraging signs with too many interceptions.

[Adam]

He missed some throws and he played great. You thought what?

[Heath]

I didn't think he played great.

[Adam]

Yeah, no, he missed. He missed some throws. The offensive line still letting him down a little bit. Tanked out, had a bad drop in there. I. It's Jacksonville. I mean, last time we saw them, Jared Goff threw for four touchdowns. This is such a. Get right spot for him.

[Dave]

Okay. Denver 29, Las Vegas 19. Another good game for Bo Nicks and Cortland Sutton. Those guys are locked in. We hate the running backs. Devon Valley will be someone we talk about maybe on Tuesday. He's coming on a bit. Six catches, 80 yards on nine targets. He is 4% rostered and that's double digit PPR fantasy points in three straight games for Devon Vale. Abdullah came through. He had. Yeah, we did talk about that. As long as he kept that receiving role. This is what the Broncos do. They're very good against the run, but they're not good against receiving running backs. He had five catches, 37 yards and a touchdown. Amir Abdullah started in 53% of leagues. Jacoby Myers was great. And I. We are not sure, but like, if you're wondering, oh, how'd Jacoby Myers do it against Patrick Sir Tan? Not at all. It was, you know, certain was not.

[Jamie]

More than exactly the red zone.

[Dave]

Exactly. So we think that certain was probably used more on Bowers than Myers. So I saw a comment earlier that, that I don't know if it's facetious or not. Myers 121 yards on certain. They didn't use him that way. See, I'm sorry to cut that game short. I don't think there's much else to discuss. Seattle 16, Arizona 6 Terrible game.

[Adam]

I mean, we probably should discuss if we trust Bowers and Myers moving forward with the quarterback situation being what it is.

[Dave]

Yeah, okay. I mean, that's.

[Adam]

You gotta figure it's not great, you know. I mean, you'd like it to be O'Connell as opposed to Ritter.

[Dave]

I assume it will be O'Connell when he's back, which should be pretty soon.

[Heath]

They got a short week this week.

[Dave]

Do you trust them?

[Heath]

Not Myers.

[Adam]

Myers will be a. Still, he'll be a number three receiver. It's hard to get away from the amount of targets that he'll get. But he has the chance to be a number two receiver moving forward. If it's O'Connell and OConnell's competent. You're not benching Brock Bowers at this point.

[Dave]

Jacoby Myers. I have to look more into this, what the circumstances were. But Jacoby Myers going into the game He. I think he had a 19.2% target share with Minshu, no target per route run rate and 32% with Aiden OConnell. So again, I'll try to look deeper into those numbers and see just what it was. But the numbers are actually better ratio wise with Aiden O'Connell. All right, so now Seattle 16, Arizona 6. There are really a lot of duds in this game. Who concerns you long term? Term. Kyler, Connor, Harrison, Gino Metcalf. I guess I'll leave it at that. Obviously Lockett concerns us, but what about Ken Walker? He was okay. He was good, I guess. He had the receiving totals, but he's not running the ball so great lately. Are we flipping out about anybody?

[Jamie]

Harrison, you can downgrade Harrison, you can downgrade Walker. You could talk me into downgrading Connor too, just because he's not dominating playing time like he was 4. And certainly 1.1 yards per carry against Seattle is pretty bad. McBride, you'll start with confidence. Kyler is, is a risk no matter who he plays and, and how things go. But because of his rushing upside there, there is potential. This game notwithstanding, we're definitely starting JSN and I think you're still going to start DK MetCap is at least a wide receiver too.

[Dave]

Okay, Last game, San Francisco Green Bay.

[Adam]

Rick.

[Dave]

Chris. What's that?

[Heath]

Zach Charbonnet might be the short yardage back.

[Dave]

I hope not.

[Jamie]

He had all three other snaps inside the five today and he's been having them. I don't know if it's been all.

[Heath]

Season, but he had some. He had some short like third and shorts in the middle of the field too.

[Jamie]

Well, he's their third down guy for sure.

[Dave]

I can tell you. Man, Christian Watson dropping that touchdown was.

[Adam]

Ridiculous pants for hands on that play.

[Dave]

About a 50 yard touchdown. Christian Watson just dropped it wide open. Easy play just like Jalen hurts missing Dallas Goddard for example, wide open in the end zone.

[Adam]

Did you see on the broadcast what happened? Because Watson drops the plate, they cut to Romeo Dobbs celebrating as the ball's in the air. The next play goes to Dobbs in the end zone. He drops the touchdown. Tough play because he was interfered and he gets concussed.

[Dave]

Oh yeah, I didn't think about that. Yeah, but any, any major takeaways from. From Green Bay. I don't think you can really judge San Francisco unless. We should talk about Debo. Dave. We should talk about Debo. People are really angry. He had one catch today and one catch for 21 yards on four targets. Juwan Jennings had five catches for 40 yards on seven targets. Is Debo even a start? Let's say they're at Buffalo and Brock Purdy is in and Trent Williams is in. Is he a start?

[Jamie]

He would be a flex, but a flex at best. And obviously I haven't reviewed this game so I don't know how he looked compared to previous games, but he just, he didn't look right last week and the lack of targets compared to Kittle and Jennings is certainly concerning as well.

[Heath]

He had a bad drop. He also had I think an 80 yard kickoff return that was called back.

[Dave]

I don't get points for that anyway, Heath.

[Heath]

Well, I'm just for the how he looks.

[Adam]

Yeah, he did look good on the, on the, on the return.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Okay, that's good.

[Dave]

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