Week 12 Recap! Jahmyr Gibbs! Plus More Winners, Some Losers and Injury Updates (11/23 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today – Week 12 Recap

CBS Sports – November 24, 2025

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Overview: A Week of Turnarounds & Key Takeaways

In this Week 12 recap episode, hosts Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, and Heath Cummings break down a much more exciting and productive slate compared to the previous week. They dive into standout player performances, key fantasy winners and losers, major injuries, advanced stats, and what it all means for fantasy lineups moving forward. The discussion is lively with memorable debates on player value, waiver priorities, usage trends, and a heavy dose of the show’s signature humor and friendly ribbing.

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1. Quarterback Scoring Bounces Back

[02:17] Adam: “That was a lot better than week 11... Last week we had six or seven quarterbacks score 20 points. ...Let’s see how many this week... 10 so far. We had some big performances.”

• Week 12 saw far more QB success stories compared to the problematic Week 11.
• Three overtime games led to inflated stat lines and extra opportunities across the board.
• Fewer “catastrophic” injuries than feared.

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2. Injury Updates & News

[20:21-22:45] Major reported injuries:

• Ashton Gentry (ankle), Alvin Kamara (knee), Quinchon Judkins (left, but returned), DK Metcalf (left but returned), Michael Mayer (ankle), Noah Gray (concussion), several O-line losses across multiple teams.
• T. Higgins entered the concussion protocol; unlikely to play on the short week.
• Key defensive injuries: Kyle Hamilton (BAL), Keyshawn Nixon (GB), Joey Porter Jr. (PIT).

Adam [22:45]: “Jamie Eisenberg is probable to return right now. What’s up, Jamie?”

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3. Winners & Losers

Biggest Winners

Wandale Robinson (NYG WR)

Heath [03:19]: “The biggest winner of this week is Wandale Robinson. ...He gets so many targets and he doesn’t score any fantasy points. Boom. In your face, Adam.”

• Early trick play led to over 100 yards by end of Q1; added 50 more through the day.
• Great PPR floor (“8 to 10 points”) with spike week upside.
• Must-start in 3WR leagues.

Dave [05:15]: “He’s a must start in three wide receiver leagues because I think the floor—Week 10 it was 12 PPR points. Week 9 it was almost 14.”

Caleb Williams & Michael Wilson

Jamie [31:43]: “Caleb Williams, 53% started, 27.7 fantasy points at Pittsburgh. ...Michael Wilson—10 more catches on 15 more targets, 118 yards.”

• Williams continues to produce despite tough matchups.
• Wilson is a clear #1 WR in the offense with Marvin Harrison injured.

Breece Hall

Heath [33:22]: “Best thing from this game is he had four catches for 75 yards...It was an encouraging performance. Makes you feel better about him as a number two running back rest of season.”

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Notable Performances

JAHMYR GIBBS (DET RB)

Adam [31:02]: “What did he score, 55 points today? ...Best in at least three years. So, amazing game for Jahmyr Gibbs."

• Set the fantasy world ablaze with the top NFL RB game in three years.
• Cemented as an elite rest-of-season starter.

AJ Brown (PHI WR)

• 8/110/1 line, 10 targets. Eagles looked better but shut out second half; both top WRs had double-digit targets.

Emmanuel Wilson (GB RB)

Dave [24:37]: “Didn’t look amazing, but put together so many solid runs… Clearly the main back for Green Bay this week.”

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Biggest Losers

Justin Jefferson (MIN WR)

Dave [05:52]: “…it’s JJ McCarthy playing poorly. ...today was the first time in eight games he did not have nine plus targets… 8.8 PPR points. ...I don’t know how you can view Justin Jefferson as a top 15 wide receiver.”

• Suffers from poor QB play (McCarthy) and offensive line issues.
• Several agree he’s no longer a clear top-15 WR, potentially not even top-24.

Dave [09:04]: “Justin Jefferson’s a bust.”

Lamar Jackson (BAL QB)

Adam [11:26]: “Buy or sell? Lamar Jackson a sit going forward?”

Dave [12:30]: “He has scored basically 12 fantasy points in his last two games... He just doesn’t want to run... He’s just not really looking to run.”

• Struggling due to multiple injuries and lack of rushing upside.
• Still startable vs. CIN Week 13, but real concerns lingering.

Saquon Barkley (NYG RB)

• Continues to underperform relative to draft price.
• Remains an RB2, but is now compared to backs like Travion Henderson in start/sit conversations.

Jamie [28:23]: “Barkley’s been a bust.”

David Montgomery (DET RB)

Jamie [37:03]: “Can’t start Montgomery anytime soon. The touchdowns have disappeared… At best a touchdown-dependent flex, in the Tyler Allgeier range.”

Zay Flowers (BAL WR)

Jamie [37:03]: “…you just cannot say he’s a must start guy in a two receiver league.”

DeAndre Swift (CHI RB)

Heath [34:09]: “Had a fumble in the second quarter and only two carries after that. Wolf.”

• Lost work to Manangai after early fumble; backfield increasingly murky.

Also Noted:

• Patrick Mahomes: Three straight “duds.”
• Jameson Williams: “Donut” (zero—one key play called back) [38:06].

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4. Debate Highlights & Memorable Quotes

• Justin Jefferson Panic:
  “I don’t know how you can view Justin Jefferson as a top 15 wide receiver and maybe not even a top 24 wide receiver as long as McCarthy is playing like this.” – Dave [06:50]
• Wandale Robinson Must-Start Case:
  “He’s got a floor …of 8 to 10 points and he’s a little better than that… every once in a while he gives you a league-winning week.” – Heath [05:11]
• Jaylen Warren Committee Concerns:
  “Jalen Warren got so lucky. ... Committees are bad for fantasy.” – Adam [16:10]
• Fantasy Brutality:
  “I benched AJ Brown this week and I hate myself for it.” – Adam [11:14]
• Lamar Jackson’s Decline:
  “He just doesn’t want to run… I think they have a pretty lousy receiving core other than one guy.” – Adam [12:30]
• Dave on Bears CC (Committee Committee): “We have like six teams that are not a committee, right?” [16:08]

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5. Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00-02:17 – Ads, brief intro
• 02:17-05:30 – Week 12 QB scoring, initial winners: Wandale Robinson
• 05:52-07:32 – Biggest losers: Justin Jefferson
• 11:26-13:14 – Buy or sell: Lamar Jackson concerns
• 14:24-15:07 – Buy or sell: Bijan Robinson, Pittsburgh backfield talk
• 20:21-22:45 – Injury rundown & offensive line news
• 22:45-24:16 – Advanced running back metrics (trends for Tracy, Jones, Walker, Diggs)
• 24:16-26:16 – Emmanuel Wilson, Eagles passing game returns to form
• 28:18-30:51 – Barkley struggles, RB2 status debate
• 31:02-31:43 – Jahmyr Gibbs dominance
• 37:03-38:06 – Dave & Jamie’s Losers: Montgomery & Flowers, Jefferson, Jameson Williams
• 43:15-46:12 – Derrick Henry’s surprising efficiency
• 54:43-56:52 – Drake May QB status, mobility drop-off discussion
• 58:23-58:56 – Ken Walker’s usage tick up
• 61:06-62:15 – DJ Moore, waiver wire WRs, and sell-high talk
• 63:11-63:32 – Wandale Robinson’s rank since Neighbors’ injury (top-20 PPR WR)
• 66:44-67:54 – Browns defense, Shador Sanders start

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6. Running Back Committees: The Ongoing Headache

• Several backfields remain untrustworthy due to heavy committee usage:
  • PIT: Warren & Gainwell splitting; week-to-week unpredictability.
  • GB: Emmanuel Wilson DFS winner for the week, but job not secure.
  • NE, NO, SEA, DET, CHI: Multiple runners taking meaningful snaps.
• Dave [16:08]: “We have like six teams that are not a committee, right?”
• Owners are warned: gameplans and usage remain volatile, do not take one week of clarity as gospel.

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7. Waiver Wire & Early Lookahead

Jamie [23:48]: “Devin Neal if Kamara misses time… Mostert if Gentry’s out… Emmanuel Wilson (if Jacobs’ status is unclear), Brenton Strange at TE, Greg Dortch at WR.”

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8. Advance Metrics & Hidden Usage Gems

Adam [22:45]:

• Tyrone Tracy: 72% route participation
• Aaron Jones: 68% (promising trend)
• Ken Walker: Season-high in routes (59.3%)
• Stefan Diggs: Disappointing 53.8% this week

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9. Quickfire “Believe It or Not” Takeaways

• Jordan Addison is droppable – “Believe it.” [46:49]
• Romeo Doubs is droppable – lukewarm yes; prefer over Addison, but not must-hold [47:43]
• Kareem Hunt (KC) must-start even if Pacheco returns? – Top-24 RB, but “must start” debatable [50:17]
• Drake May: still a top-12 QB, but not a must-start – [55:08]
• Kyle Pitts is droppable – “Believe it.” [71:23]

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10. Noteworthy Statistical Notes

• JSN (SEA): 75+ yards in 11 straight games—only Marvin Harrison Sr. and Cooper Kupp have longer streaks.
• Wandale Robinson: 14.5 PPR points per game since Neighbors’ injury (top-20 WR pace).

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11. Notable Team & Player Usage Trends

Eagles:
Both Brown and Smith had 10+ targets; Hurts threw 39x.

Packers:
Jordan Love’s passing volume down, less faith in WRs.

Saints:
Taysom Hill continues to vulture carries.

Jets:
John Metchie and Adonai Mitchell emerging while Garrett Wilson is out.

Bears:
Swift/Manangai split is permanent until further notice.

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12. Closing Thoughts & Consensus

• The optimism for RB and WR options is increasing with creative playcalling, but committees are muddying most decisions.
• Big names like Jefferson and Barkley are no longer untouchable.
• Jahmyr Gibbs and Wandale Robinson lead the week’s league-winners, while several former fantasy stars fade into flex/bench territory.
• Advanced usage stats will be key for setting lineups as the fantasy playoffs approach.
• Don’t chase points from backup RBs and WRs, but act on consistently improving roles and injuries.

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Summary Table: Major Winners & Losers

| Category | Winner(s) | Loser(s) | |-----------|----------------------------------|---------------------------------------------| | QB | Caleb Williams, Jackson Dart | Lamar Jackson, Drake May (slight downgrade) | | RB | Jahmyr Gibbs, Breece Hall, Emmanuel Wilson | David Montgomery, Saquon Barkley | | WR | Wandale Robinson, Michael Wilson | Justin Jefferson, Zay Flowers, Jameson Williams | | FLEX/Other| Advanced metrics risers; durable committee backs (sometimes) | DeAndre Swift, Kyle Pitts (droppable) |

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Final Memorable Moment

Adam [31:03]: “There’s nothing everybody’s about Jahmyr Gibbs. But what, what did he score 55 points today or something?... It’s the best [RB fantasy] game in at least three years.”

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This episode captured the thrill and frustration of Week 12 perfectly—reminding listeners that while talent prevails, situation, injuries, and coaching volatility are just as influential in fantasy football success.

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[A]

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[C]

What a play. Can you believe this?

[A]

No, I can't.

[C]

It's time to dominate your fantasy league.

[A]

Off to the races and he stays at his feet.

[C]

Chris is gonna Go the distance.

[B]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[A]

Woo. Well, that was a lot better than week 11, I'll tell you that. Welcome to fantasy football. Today presented bet, mgm, make it legendary. Okay, I haven't even checked, but last week we had six or seven quarterbacks score 20 points. Oh, six, seven. That was horrible last week. Let's see how many this week. You guys want to guess how many scored? 20, 20.

[B]

Mm, 11, 10.

[A]

I have no idea, but we'll figure it out. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. So far we had some. Some big performances. All right, fun day. Three overtime games. Not too bad with the injuries. Quinshawn Judkins was able to come back. Did Ashton Genti come back? Do we know if he's good?

[C]

I do not think he came back.

[B]

Okay, looks like he got the ball again.

[A]

Yeah, right. It was last drive, but Camara did get hurt, so we'll talk about that. Before we do that, let's have some fun and talk about the biggest winners. Heath Cummings, who's the biggest winner?

[B]

The biggest winner of this week is Juan Dale Robinson. You make fun of him every week because he gets so many targets and he doesn't score any fantasy points.

[A]

Boom.

[B]

In your face, Adam Mazer.

[A]

Yeah. And this is the winning comment of the week. It's from Dan. He says, dave, with all due respect, don't you disrespect Wandell Robinson the rest of the season.

[C]

Sure. And I'll sing his praises when he gives us nine PPR points.

[A]

Well, I thought this was maybe directed at me, but they thought you said it because I was the one who was dissing Wandell Robinson.

[C]

I'm definitely not a huge. Well, I mean, it's weird because I'm not a huge fan of Wandell Robinson, or at least I wasn't. But I did rank them, like, right on the fence of a low end, number two, high end, number three, wide receiver. Okay, well, I don't know, maybe. I'm sure in the chat you guys will remind me of something I said that was disparaging about poor Wandale. But it was a great trick play early in the game that really put him on the board. Had a hundred yards in the first quarter, got another 50 the rest of the game. That's very solid. He had a great game. If you started him, you did it in PPR because you were hoping for a lot of catches. You got that. But you got a lot of yardage on top of it. Here's the question. Is He a must start moving forward knowing that Jackson Dart's going to be back under center. It's not Jamis. I. I don't know. I'm not sure if we can say that he's a must start moving forward.

[B]

I think it's a must start in a three wide receiver league for sure.

[C]

But he was that anyway.

[A]

Is this stock up for Wondale or is this just great game for Wandale?

[B]

I think it's just a reminder when you average 10 or 11 targets a week. This is the second time this year that he scored what, at least 29 fantasy points. He's got another 18 point performance. He's got a floor that he's shown us numerous times over the last couple of weeks of 8 to 10 points and he's a little better than that.

[A]

A little better.

[B]

Every once in a while he gives you a league winning week.

[C]

I think you're right, Heath. He's a must start in three wide receiver leagues because I think the floor. Week 10 it was 12 PPR points. Week 9 it was almost 14. You start in a three receiver league that's in full PPR especially. Yes, you start that guy.

[A]

Okay, so great game for Wanda. I started in 62% of leagues, I believe 6. Yeah, 62% and yeah, should be Jackson Dart next week against New England. Then they have a buy. What was I going to say? Last thing I was going to say about him? Ah, man, it was interesting. It was really good. Like whoa, I can't remember. Okay, biggest loser. Who do we got as the biggest loser?

[C]

Dave, I think we have to go there. There's two guys that we could really go there with. But I'll, I'll go with the one that I think is a little more obvious and then we can talk about the one that's a little less slash, maybe just as obvious. Justin Jefferson is somebody that we have to talk about and it's clearly not anything he's doing. I don't think he's doing much, if anything to ruin JJ McCarthy. I think it's JJ McCarthy playing poorly. And then on top of that, when he finally gets a healthy offensive line, two, two of the guys get hurt. Christian Darasaw got hurt, Jackson got hurt. That's one of the guards. And then Green Bay just absolutely started to attack him. McCarthy was frozen in the backfield, held the ball way too long. 12 of 19 for 87 yards and two interceptions. JJ McCarthy was. And everybody knows that JJ McCarthy isn't a great thrower. But now it's trickling down To Jefferson. And today was the first time in eight games he did not have nine plus targets. He had six targets in this game. 8.8 PPR points. It is really, really gross right now. And I don't know how you can view Justin Jefferson as a top 15 wide receiver and maybe not even a top 24 wide receiver as long as McCarthy is playing like this. And if he's going to continue to play behind an offensive line that's going to let a bunch of pass rush pressure in, we're going to continue to see just a lost year for Justin Jefferson. And. And next week, he's at Seattle.

[B]

Wandale Robinson against the Patriots. Justin Jefferson against the Seahawks.

[A]

This is not even a. This is so easy to say. Of course I would have given you the same answer this week, but of course it's going to be Justin Jefferson. Listen, this is.

[C]

I'm not so sure.

[D]

You're.

[A]

I guarantee you that you are not. Neither of you are going to rank Wanda Robinson ahead of Justin Jefferson. I guarantee it next week. Neither of you. No one in the industry will, so.

[C]

Oh, I'm not sure about that either. Listen, we've got.

[B]

He'll be higher in the projections. Wanda will for sure.

[C]

I totally get it. I totally get it. Although, I. I mean, how can you expect Wanda to match what he did this past week?

[D]

But.

[C]

Okay, is Justin Jefferson a candidate? You guys are gonna say yes because it's Justin Jefferson. But, okay, is he a candidate for 16 PPR points? When's the last time he's done that? I'm not sure he has done that. I think he's. This year.

[B]

I think he's definitely a candidate. In week 14 against the Commanders, and.

[C]

I'm talking next week against the Seahawks.

[B]

I. No, I mean, that's the upside. That's what you're hoping for for the season. 13.8 fantasy points per game for Justin Jefferson, 13.6 for Wandale Robinson.

[A]

He has.

[C]

Justin Jefferson in week nine had 16.7 PPR points. That was with JJ.

[A]

All right, listen, this is as bad as quarterbacking can get. He threw 19 times for 87 yards. Justin Jefferson had more than half of their receiving yards. He had a plus 30 plus percent target share. It can't possibly be this bad again. But it is going to be bad. I mean, it's just clear.

[C]

You're just.

[A]

Justin Jefferson's a bust.

[D]

He's just.

[B]

I mean, I'm gonna. Two weeks ago, it was worse.

[A]

What? He threw for less than 87 yards.

[B]

No, Justin Jefferson was worse.

[A]

Oh, okay. But I'm saying the quarterbacking can't get any worse than this. But no, it's, it's tough. But you know, okay, what I was gonna say about Wanda Robinson is relevant to Jefferson too. It's just. I think you can compare Wando Robinson to Quinch on Judkins today who missed a chunk of this game with an injury and he didn't run efficiently or anything like that, but he scored two touchdowns.

[C]

He.

[A]

Anytime you have a guy who has the role that Quinton Judkins has, you can have five, four games in a row or whatever of single digit fantasy points, whatever it was for Judkins, but hey, he could score two touchdowns any week. I mean, Jefferson is still going to have a huge target share. I know you mentioned the targets only six, Dave, but again, he threw 19 passes. So if you just get a semi normal game from Minnesota, you're probably getting nine or more targets from Jefferson.

[C]

Well, yes, we've got that each of the last three weeks. Do you know how many games with. You know. I know, but 18 PPR points he gave you?

[A]

No, I, I get it. He's. He's been horrible. McCarthy has been, has been awful and he's.

[C]

It's entirely that as the problem.

[A]

Who's the other one? You were going to say 80%?

[C]

Lamar Jackson.

[A]

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[C]

You would have had more points with Brown.

[A]

I also mentioned for Stefan Diggs, which was really bad. So. But you know, it is what it is, right? It's. It's fun, it's frustrating, it's hard to predict.

[C]

I don't think it's very fun.

[A]

I'm still going to win that week, so we're okay. All right. Buy or sell? Lamar Jackson is a sit going forward. He gets Cincinnati on Thanksgiving.

[B]

I Dave, this is your loser. So that you say most of the things, but I would just say it's probably Jobu week for Lamar Jackson and who would have ever thought we would be here after the way this season started? But he's not look the same at all as a runner.

[C]

No, I don't think he's looked particularly great as a thrower either.

[B]

But like, you might find somebody to start over him. I think I had him sixth or seventh this week.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But I think he also, like we should probably give the guy some credit for coming back and saving his team season when he's clearly not a healthy. It's just not great for your fantasy team.

[C]

I agree. But the name of the show is Fantasy Football Today. And I thought this was Jobu week for Lamar Jackson.

[A]

So he has scored a combined basically 12 fantasy points in his last two games at Cleveland and against the jets. And he keeps getting these new injuries, hamstring, knee, ankle. And I've watched him the last two weeks. I watched the all 22 from last week against Cleveland. I watched a decent amount of this game, had it on. He just doesn't want to run. I mean, there's so many times where he's just sitting there in the pocket. I'm suspecting that people aren't really open. And that's why I honestly think Bateman would help him. I don't know if they're going to make him like 10 points better, but I just think they have a pretty lousy receiving core other than one guy. And he's just not really looking to run. There's one play where I thought he was going to beat the linebacker easily. Linebacker brought him down by the ankles. Nah, I think it's pretty clear he's.

[C]

Not the same guy. I don't mind calling next week a Jobu week for him. He can be the first double Jobu player in fantasy football today history. And the reason why is because Cincinnati's defense is so bad. It really is. And Cincinnati's offense is probably going to find a way to put up some points against the Ravens. Burrows coming back. Jamar Chase is coming back. T. Higgins I doubt is going to play, but the rest of that Offense has been good, and that might force the Ravens into, hey, you're gonna have to throw the ball more than 23 times. You're not going to be able to hide behind Derrick Henry and his 3.0 rushing average again. And it could force Lamar to put the ball in the air and maybe some good things will finally happen. But I'm. I'm gonna be a little nervous. Start him. He's going to be ranked. This is not going to be like Justin Jefferson, where I'm going to say, all right, I can't rank this guy top 12 anymore. I can rank Lamar as a top 10 quarterback at minimum next week because of the matchup. So if I've got him, I'm rolling with them, win or lose. But it's. It's got to be. If he can't get it done here, I don't know when he's going to be able to get it done. And he does not look right as a thrower or certainly as a runner.

[A]

Okay, buy or sell? B. John Robinson is in trouble with Kirk cousins. Robinson goes 14 carries, 70 yards, 2 catches, 37 yards. Buy or sell? Bijan Robinson is in trouble with Kirk Cousins.

[B]

So.

[D]

How come?

[A]

Why.

[B]

How come, like it's a 14 point game, he didn't score a touchdown? It's not. He's had plenty of games like this. The offense won't be quite as good, but everything's relative. Like, are you saying he's going to be RB6 through 10 now instead of RB1 through 5?

[D]

Maybe.

[B]

But in trouble. There's nothing a fantasy manager is going to do about it.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

That's true. All right, well, I don't love like 14 carriers for him and 12 for Algeria. Those types of games drive me crazy.

[B]

Well, I think that was also influenced. I would guess the last drive was almost entirely Algeria, maybe.

[A]

All right.

[C]

And take a look and see.

[A]

Buy or sell, the Pittsburgh backfield will be yet another annoying committee.

[B]

May just be an awesome committee. These guys are both playing really well. They don't have any wide receivers that can win right now. They both look pretty great, I think I'm.

[A]

I've had it with your optimism today. Need you to. I need you to get down to my level here.

[B]

It was a great week. All of your. All of these are negative. And I'm just, you know, Heath rose colored glasses. That's what they always say about me.

[C]

You always are Mr. Rainbows and. And Sunshine. Alier did have six carries in the fourth quarter.

[A]

Yeah, so. But the committees are bad committees. Are bad for fantasy. And this was the most committee that we've had, right?

[B]

We have like six teams that are not a committee, right?

[A]

Well, we used to have seven, Heath, and now we don't. Now we have six again, you know, so it's. Jalen Warren got so lucky. He barely played. He barely ran any routes today. Kenneth Gable had a very long touchdown run on a trick play on a tush push formation that was overturned. Ruled down at the one. Warren comes in, gets a one yard touchdown run. Those were half of his fantasy points. Did not have a single catch in this game. So I went into every week feeling good about starting Jalen Warren. I don't know that I've gonna feel that way.

[B]

He plays the Bills next week.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

But you might feel good about both of these guys next week. And Gainwell led the Steelers. It was very close, 52 to 49 in terms of snapshot. Dominated third down snaps and he had two or three snaps inside the five. You know which one Gainwell did not have.

[A]

Yeah, it was. It wasn't great for Warren.

[C]

You're right though. This is for sure a split backfield.

[A]

All right, we're going to take a break. And Adam. Yep, Absolutely. Somebody's got to be. We had a. Actually, Schaefer and I had a meeting about. Hey, listen, Heath has just been way too happy. You got to. You got to balance him out. So that's what I'm trying to do today. We'll be right back with news and notes and some advanced metrics for you and some winners and losers and recapping each game. We'll be right back.

[B]

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[B]

They're still in it.

[A]

All right, well, they're. They're a three win team.

[B]

There's three games back of the Ravens. They play the Ravens twice.

[A]

Oh, all right. Well, then, yeah, let's go. Ashton Genty left with an ankle injury. Alvin Kamara left with a knee injury. Judkins left but came back. Donovan Knight left very late. He left in overtime. We had three overtime games today. Oh, yeah, I mentioned that at the top of the show, but awesome stuff. T. Higgins is in the concussion protocol. He is not going. I'm sorry. He's unlikely, I would say, to play. It'd be surprising. They're playing Thursday. Andre Yoshivis left, but he came back, right?

[C]

He did, yes.

[A]

Okay. And he's an Interesting player to pick up because probably going to have no Higgins. At Baltimore on Thursday, DK Metcalf left and came back. And Jackson, Smith and jib with 75 or more yards in 11 straight games. That trails only two players all time single season. Marvin Harrison, Senior did it 14 times in a row. Cooper Cup 13 times in a row. 75 or more yards in 11 straight games. JSN I would love to find a stat on who has the highest percentage of their team's receiving yards in a year. You know, with like a minimum of a thousand yards or something like that. Because I feel, I feel like he's going to break a bunch of records this year. Tight end news Michael Mayer, A couple backup tight ends left with injuries. Michael Mayer, ankle and Noah Gray for the Chiefs in the concussion protocol. The big offensive line news, the Patriots lost two offensive linemen, left guard Jared Wilson and left tackle Will Campbell. That one looks serious. Unfortunately he's been really important player for them. Dave already mentioned the Vikings lost two linemen in this game. Dallas left tackle Tyler Guyton left with an injury. And Trey Smith for the Chiefs, he left with an ankle injury. And two Titans offensive linemen, Lloyd Cushionberry and Dan Moore, they left with injuries. Also, Buffalo right tackle Spencer Brown could go on ir. The biggest defensive news I saw Kyle Hamilton, Baltimore star safety. He left in the fourth quarter, but Harbaugh said that he should be good. I don't, you know, it is a short week, but they don't seem too worried there about him. Green Bay was already playing without one cornerback. Then they lost Keyshawn Nixon. Oh, this is a tough year for Walter Nolan. Walter Nolan had a, had a touchdown today for the Cardinals. He's their first round rookie defensive tackle, but he missed time earlier in the year and he left with a knee injury. And Joey Porter Jr. For the Steelers starting cornerback, he left with a hip injury. Also just in. Jamie Eisenberg is probable to return right now. What's up, Jamie?

[D]

Yo. All right.

[A]

Some noteworthy advanced metrics for you. I just looked at running backs and, and their route participation. Tyrone Tracy, 72% route participation rate. It was less than 50% in each of his previous three games. I don't know if that's going to stick, but he had a nice game with some big good catches. Aaron Jones, 68% route participation rate. That's pretty good. He's been around that in two of the last three games. Now this one was cool. Ken Walker, season high, 59.3% route participation rate. He had three or four catches in this game, Charbonnet scored a five or six yard touchdown, but Walker had good usage at least. And Stefan Diggs, bummer, man. 58 point, 53.8% route participation rate. It's just, man, it was, it was over 80% last week. I think it was a season high. This is how it's been for, for Stefan Diggs. It just fluctuates. I think they are saving him for that big game against the Giants next week. All right, Jamie, early, waiver wire. We got some running backs maybe to think about who are the headliners, you think?

[D]

Yeah, Devin Neal, you know, if Camara is going to miss some time, Raheem Mostert, if Genti's gonna miss any time. Judkins came back in the game, correct? Yeah, correct. So no really high interest in Dylan Sampson, I guess. Obviously Emmanuel Wilson, if you know, Josh Jacobs isn't able to play next week, but I think that's he's headed in the right direction. Brenton Strange had a big game, so clearly he's going to be a big part of the Jaguars offense. I don't have to go through it. We'll figure that Monday.

[A]

Yeah, maybe people take a shot on Greg Dortch. He had another touchdown today. If see what the status is of Marvin Harrison Jr. All right, let's get to our winners and losers. And Dave, you get to start with Emmanuel Wilson. 84 rostered, 62% started, 28 carries, man, two touchdowns. Big game for Emmanuel Wilson and he.

[C]

Didn'T look amazing, but he put together so many solid runs. No home, let's put it this way, no home runs, a bunch of singles and doubles and then he came through at the goal line. Clearly the main back for Green Bay this week. It's hard to be a winner knowing that you might not be like usable in fantasy the rest of the season. But this is what you were hoping for when he was the prize off of waivers earlier this week and he came through and he looked good. And never forget that the packers love.

[A]

Running the football and you're not going to hesitate to start Josh Jacobs on Thursday. They're playing Thursday, right?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, I hesitate because of the matchup, but it's Josh Jacobs and he'll be relatively fresh. I like that we're starting him.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Also, if you're watching the show on YouTube, watching on demand, you're not hanging out in the chat right now. Go ahead and leave us your winners and losers in in the comments. Love to see what you're thinking. Your other winner is A.J. brown. And the Eagles, they scored 21 points, all in the first half. But Brown had a huge game, eight catches, 110 yards and a touchdown. Jalen Hurts was over 30 fantasy points. Barkley had a lot of catches, but not a good game. And plus he fumbled. Devonte Smith was fine. Did they figure things out? Did A.J. brown get it right or was this just. Hey, it was Dallas. They still have a bad past defense at least.

[C]

I might have given Dallas a little bit too much credit, especially when it comes to the past defense. I'm curious to see just how much man they played in the first half. And if they had played a lot of man, then that makes sense for why AJ Brown got off to such a good start, but really had a good game all the way around, looked strong running the football or not running, you know what I'm saying? Catching the ball and then running with it after the play. Yeah, I think you can feel good about starting and moving forward.

[A]

I want to know what you all think. Let's talk about The Eagles and A.J. brown and Jalen Hurts specifically. And I don't know the Eagles, right. They've got Chicago. That's a pretty weak defense. Although I think the Bears could get a couple of defensive backs back next week because they were close this week at the Chargers, Raiders at Washington, at Buffalo. It's not bad, but we've been fooled before. Jamie, what do you. How do you feel about the Eagles coming off this performance where they only scored 21 points and got shut out in the second half?

[D]

I mean, obviously look like they're going to blow out the Cowboys the way that the game started. And, you know, their, their defense as well, you know, keeping Dallas out of the end zone and the. From scoring in the first quarter. So, I mean, I love the fact that jalen hurts through 39 times. I love the fact that, you know, both of their top receivers had at least 10 targets. 10 for Brown, 11 for Devonte Smith. Like, we love those type of things to see those guys get opportunities. The, the concern would be is that they scored 21 points in the first half and then they got shut out. And basically how this offense coordinator has been under a lot of duress. I wonder if there's a change coming, you know, if they have another poor offensive performance as they try to get things right for their playoff run. But I mean, I, I don't, I don't know what the start percentages are. I can't imagine anybody across the board is, is benching A.J. brown and Devonte Smith unless you have just great options. And Jalen Hurts certainly has performed like a top 10 quarterback the entirety of the season when you look at it. So those guys are going to continue to get started. Brock is going to continue to get started. It's just a matter if you again have other options. But it's not a matchup thing for the most part with them. It's really just I think what your fantasy roster looks like. So these guys fall into the category of do you have anything better? And if you have something better then you bench them. And I think for the most part these guys are going to be 70 plus percent started on a week to week basis.

[A]

Yeah, the rider, both wide receivers were 89 or 90 started.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

But that's good.

[C]

So they came through.

[A]

Yeah, but. But what about Barkley? I mean we can't.

[C]

They might next week too.

[A]

We can't really talk about Jefferson and Lamar Jackson and. And not talk about.

[D]

Barkley's been a bust.

[A]

Yeah, I feel like he's been pretty similar to Justin Jefferson at least full season. Jefferson, not McCarthy, Jefferson, but I don't know man, what Barkley have 10.

[D]

You're not Barkley unless you have great options. Because he's still getting touches. He got seven catches today. Like he's still going to perform at least like a number two running back. He's just not going to live up to the expectations of where you draft him.

[C]

Yeah, you're going to start him next week against Chicago, no questions asked.

[B]

Yeah, sort of every week.

[C]

Yeah, sure. But like the expectations are going to be high for him against Chicago with all their linebacker issues. They got beat up some more. They lost more players to injury today.

[B]

I think the only guy on this offense that's a question for most, for 90 of people is Dallas Cutter and it's the second bad game for him and there really hasn't been the yardage in any game except for one. He just scored a bunch of touchdowns earlier in the year and he hasn't scored any last two weeks. Like that's a guy that's going to be a borderline starter. The rest of them were starting.

[A]

Okay. I mean I get that you're starting them in terms of ranking Barkley in the top 20.

[D]

Right.

[A]

But at least now there's going to be discussions. Do I sit Saquon Barkley? You know, it's not just.

[D]

But you have to have that type of team that you can afford to sit Saquon Barkley. Like how many people have that type of team in a 12 team league, 10 team leagues is different.

[A]

Yeah, right. Look, obviously he's going to be a start, but I look. You look at the way the Patriots game unfolded today. Unfortunately, the goal line work once again is Ramon Dre and Terrell Jennings, but.

[C]

A little bit more to them than. Than Henderson. But Henderson was in there on a decent amount.

[A]

The goal line work for Philadelphia. We know who gets that. I mean, would it really surprise you if Travion Henderson had a better finish to the season than Saquon Barkley?

[D]

No.

[C]

He has the last three weeks.

[A]

Yeah, so did he today? I don't.

[C]

That's a good question.

[A]

No, I don't know. I don't.

[C]

I don't think so. Because of the catches that Saquon had.

[A]

Right, but Saquon had the fumble. Let's see. Travyon had. No, Barkley was better than him today, but not by much. Okay, but that's.

[D]

I think your, your point, Adam, is that we are talking about Saquon Barkley versus Trevon Henderson. Yeah, like that. That's where he is right now. So I don't think many people with Ramandre back in one game of a sample size are going to say I'm starting Trayvon Henderson over Saquon Barkley, but you're going to consider some players in that range.

[A]

Okay, so let me, let me make an apology here because someone in the chat said I haven't mentioned Jameer Gibbs yet. And, well, you can't say anything negative about him.

[B]

You only talk about negative.

[A]

Yeah, there's nothing everybody's about Jabir Gibbs. But what, what did he score 55 points today or something like almost a.

[C]

Half hour into the show.

[A]

55.4 fantasy points. It's what I actually looked if it was the best fantasy game ever for a running back. It isn't, but it's the best in at least three years. So amazing game for Jameer Gibbs. Okay, Jamie's winners are Caleb Williams, 53% started 27.7 fantasy points against Pittsburgh. He's now scored 27 or more in three of his last four games, but is at Cincinnati than the Giants, then Pittsburgh and Michael Wilson, 10 more catches on 15 more targets. 118 yards. Wilson was started in 72% of leagues. Caleb Williams and Michael Wilson, I think.

[D]

And I guess we'll start with Caleb because on screen like I. The Steelers the last three weeks had done a fantastic job against the. The three quarterbacks that they faced. Flacco being one, Herbert being one, you know, the Daniel Jones like three quarterbacks that for the most part had played well. Flacco had not had a bad game to that point. And so I thought that Caleb will struggle a little bit in this game just based on how he had been performing a little bit. And this was one of his better games throwing the ball mostly because of the touchdown production. So maybe DJ Moore is back, who knows. But I think just this should give you a little bit of confidence with. With Caleb Williams and especially after what you just saw from the Philadelphia defense, still going to be considered. Still should be considered a borderline starter going into Thursday night and in the K or excuse me, Friday. In the case of Michael Wilson, I wonder if you handcuffed the two of Marvin Harrison and Michael Wilson. You just want Marvin Harrison to just, hey, get healthy, buddy.

[C]

Because.

[D]

Because what Michael Wilson is doing is what we've been begging for Marvin Harrison to a year plus like get targets, produce with those targets and not have to be touched down. Reliant like this has just been fun to watch. He's. He's been a league winner for two weeks.

[A]

49 more pass attempts for Jacoby Brissette. It's just unbelievable.

[D]

They didn't even try to run the ball to start the game. Like it was just, okay, we're gonna throw it. And. And so it's now four of six start, four of seven starts. I think six starts, four of six starts for Jacoby Brissette. 44 more past.

[A]

Geez. All right, Heath's winners are Wanda Robinson, who we talked about, and Breece hall, who had 16 carries for 44 yards, but he added four catches for 75 yards. And I think he was started in about 91 of leagues right up there.

[B]

Yeah, I think. I think first off, the best thing that comes out of this game is he had four catches for 75 yards and Isaiah Davis did not have a target. And the second best thing is that Todd Taylor threw for 222 yards. So there's actually passing yards to be had for those people getting targets. So I thought it was an encouraging performance. He was kind of in that like, I think his start percentage was probably higher than where we had him ranked. We had ranked as a starter, but not as a surefire starter. It just makes you feel better about him as a number two running back. Rest of season.

[A]

Okay. Barkley or Bruce Hall? Rest of season.

[B]

Probably still have Barkley.

[D]

Barkley. Yeah, the jets still are, right. It's gonna be tough to feel comfortable, confident in. Although to your question about waiver wire options, John Metchie should be added for sure. All right.

[A]

Losers. Heath's losers are DeAndre Swift, who is 80% started. He had a fumble in the second quarter and only two carries after that. And Patrick Mahomes, who scored 17.1 fantasy points. That's three straight duds for Patrick Mahomes. The first two are at Buffalo and at Denver. This one against the Colts. We'll talk about that. Maybe that's a tough matchup, but it's Swift and Mahomes for you.

[B]

So first off, I think that it probably is a tough matchup because they have very, very good cornerbacks. Second off, he was. This was a mess of a game for the Chiefs. Like they did everything they could to give it away and then stole victory after trying to steal defeat or one of those things. I mean, the 352 yards is good, but their past, the receivers just did not get open for most of the game. Rashi Rice had some big plays late, had a couple of drop passes. They really tried to commit to the run, I think. Kareem hunt, you have 30 carries in this game.

[A]

Yeah, I think so, yes.

[B]

Which everybody had been saying they need to do. And so I just think it's. It's a. It's a little bit of a downgrade. That probably doesn't matter because he's playing the Cowboys this week. But you don't feel. I don't feel a whole lot better about him than I do Lamar Jackson. But Lamar Jackson's playing the Bengals, so you have to start him, too. And yeah. DeAndre Swift, what was Wolf, I think you have to go in next week. I. I had a pretty close to 50, 50 this week. And you probably keep it at 50, 50 because you don't know if the punishment for the fumble carries over to the next week. But there's a possibility that Kyle Manangai is just the best Bears running back rest of season.

[C]

I think this might have been the biggest difference in snapshare between the two of them. Where Mananga is ahead this year, 56 to 43.

[B]

And it was entirely, almost entirely post fumble, I think. I think Swift was at 60 before the fumble.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they just went away from him.

[A]

So it doesn't seem.

[D]

You almost wonder if Ben Johnson was waiting for a reason to do this.

[A]

Yeah. Running backs are held to such a high standard. I mean, it's like Trevor, you should have benched Trevor Lawrence then. The guy was playing like garbage through three interceptions, you know, and then he came out.

[D]

The difference with your backup running back versus your backup.

[A]

I know, I know.

[D]

Do we know if Rashi Rice is healthy.

[B]

It's a hamstring. He came back in, but.

[D]

Yeah, but then he caught a ball and then completely collapsed because he couldn't move.

[B]

He knew he couldn't open it up. So he's not a guarantee for Thursday.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, Jamie's losers are David Montgomery, who has started in 71% of leagues and he had 37 total yards, eight touches in a game that went to overtime. And Zay flowers, who had 58 of Lamar Jackson's 153 yards, but just another game from safe. I mean, his week after week of Zay flowers scoring around 11 to 12 PPR fantasy points this time actually 10.8. So yeah, go ahead.

[D]

Jamie Montgomery and Flowers can't start Montgomery anytime soon. You know, the fact that the touchdowns have disappeared, that was the only thing that's been saving him really for the last year. Plus, and unless they're just going to give him the, the opportunity like they did against Cincinnati where, you know, that was his hometown and trying to feature him, like we're just not seeing that. And understandably so. I mean, Jameer gives on a different level. So at best a touchdown dependent flex, you know, in the Tyler Algier range. Now, like that's how you have to treat David Montgomery. I don't know if you're gonna drop him, but you certainly can't start him. And in the case of Zay Flowers, like you hope the Bengals game is going to be something that benefits him, but really it hasn't been. Wide receivers, as we've talked about a lot, like receivers don't do well against the Bengals by comparison to running backs and tight ends. So the way we started the season feeling about Zayfar, the way I started the season feeling about Zay Flowers, I don't speak for anybody else, that's the number at best of number three, wide receiver. That's how you have to treat him. Like, even when it feels like there's good matchups, you just cannot say he's a must start guy in a two receiver league.

[A]

All right, Zay Flowers and Montgomery are losers and so is Justin Jefferson for Dave and Jameson Williams. Oh, donut. I had some donuts last night, Dave. They were delicious. This one.

[C]

No one cares about your donuts. Geez, everyone cares about this donut. Add it. It, it's just brutal. And it's just one of those things that I, I guess I just have a little bit of a tough time understanding. It could have been simply that the Giants tried to take him away. We didn't have the coaches film yet to break down, but I'd be shocked if they did that. He had one big play called back by a penalty. He had one deep ball target. There was nothing else. There were a lot of other short throws that Goff didn't connect with him on. So he didn't really have a bunch of opportunities to have any game breaking plays like he had in his previous three games. I. I am a little nervous about the matchup against Green Bay this coming Thursday. I don't think it's enough to pull Jameson from fantasy lineups.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Just a game where golf was just throwing his two best players, Gibson and St. Brown, over and over and over again.

[D]

Well, not at the start. He had his other guy.

[A]

Who?

[D]

Khalif Raymond. Oh, Khalif Raymond.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Cleef Raymond left with an injury. Great win for them, but better, better for the Giants in every way. All right.

[C]

Great loss for the Giants. Yeah.

[A]

We'll take a break.

[D]

What is James.

[A]

James's touchdown catch was so cool. I mean, that was. If you haven't seen it, I can't imagine many of you haven't seen it. It was a touchdown.

[D]

Catch was cool. The throwback touchdown to Wandale was cool. The way he, you know, I mean, he could have got murdered on that play.

[A]

But he missed Wondale for what could have been a touchdown in overtime. That was such.

[D]

That was on purpose. He got the call from above.

[A]

Now, the call from above would have been, let's score and then miss the two point conversion.

[D]

No, no, no, no, no. He did his job. James gave you entertainment for three plus quarters and then lose the game.

[A]

You know what else he gave us, Jamie? They gave us drumsticks.

[D]

Oh, that's right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's the drumsticks?

[A]

I got a side. I won a so autograph drumsticks from Chad Smith because the Giants covered I was getting 13 points. And when Gibbs scored that touchdown, I was like, there's no way Jameis is not throwing a pick six here.

[D]

Right?

[A]

That's going to make it 13. I'm not getting anything. But he did it, so. Yeah, pumped. All right, we'll take a break. Tell you everything else you need to know from week 12 after this, avoiding.

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Just throw it in your bag and it will remain wrinkle free. It even comes with security zip pockets, a sunglasses loop and an optional pocket Square. So visit callersandco.com and use code TIKI for 20% [e-mail] all right folks, welcome back. Goal line work Saw Tyrone Tracy in near the goal line, which was surprising, but not exactly at the goal line. Definitely saw him a non guy. We talked about the Patriots thing. They used everyone at the goal line and none of it was successful. David broke down the Gainwell Warren stuff. It was kind of favoring Gainwell. This is annoying. You know, you, you, when you go out and you pick up Devin Neal because Camaro is out and, and when a guy gets ruled out really quickly, you know that, that might lead you to believe that he's going to miss some time. And that's kind of what happened with Camara. But Devin Neal fighting with Taysom Hill did Taste. What did taste have 10 carries in this game?

[C]

Yep.

[A]

So taste him obviously being used at the goal line.

[D]

So.

[A]

But Neil was there as well. And then I don't know if the Seahawks ever got inside the five yard line, but at the five yard line they had Charbonnet in there and he scored on first and goal. There were so many almost touchdowns. Devonte Smith had one. AJ Brown had one. Kenneth Gainwell had one that I mentioned. Javante had two. CD Lamb dropped a touchdown. Mark Andrews dropped a touchdown. They were a lot. Let's go to the game.

[D]

I think for Rachi Rice, it might have just been cramps. Oh, okay. That'd be great. Good.

[C]

Yeah. Andy Reid didn't mention him when he talked about injuries after the game.

[D]

Well, he, he's like. There's a video of him running up to a fan afterwards in the game, like full sprint. Okay, cool.

[A]

All right, so we'll cramps. Cramps it is. And goal line work. The Rams gave. Had. Who is that in the game? That's Kyron in the game. Okay.

[B]

I wasn't saying unbelievable to that. I was saying unbelievable to the. The Rams still running the same goal line play every single week.

[C]

Yeah. No one's, no one's figured out how to stop that yet. Yeah.

[A]

Fade to Adams. Okay. Baltimore 23, Jets 10. We talked about Lamar, we talked about Breeze hall, John Mechi, 6 for 65 and a touchdown on seven targets. Adonai Mitchell also had seven targets. So Metchie is basically not rostered. And they get Atlanta and Miami next. We thinking he'll be 20 roster next week. John Mechi, should he be more than.

[D]

That in that range? I mean, you know, look, it's. I'm trying to think who was. Oh, I saw this just this morning. So Yoshibash, for example, granted one week situation versus maybe rest of season situation, but Yoshibash was like 28 roster and like 20 started. So probably in that range. You know, you are talking at this point, the teams that are out of playoff contention aren't making moves. So there's probably one or two of those teams in every league. And then you're getting, you know, can I trust a Jets wide receiver? Well, I think after two weeks and seeing what this receiving core looks like, knowing that there's still two more weeks without Garrett Wilson, there should be an opportunity here for John Mechi to be a potential starter in deeper three receiver leagues.

[A]

Okay. Derrick Henry, 22 carries, 21 carries, 64 yards, two touchdowns, two catches for 24 yards. You know, what's your confidence level in Derrick Henry, Dave? He and Barkley are both just so inefficient this season.

[C]

Who does he play next week?

[A]

Plays the Bengals.

[C]

I'm very, very, very confident in Derek Henry against the Bengals. And who does he play in two weeks after next week?

[A]

Wait a second.

[C]

He's got the Bengals and then he. And then he's got the Steelers. Who does he play after the Steelers?

[A]

Cincinnati again.

[C]

This would be the first round of the fantasy playoffs.

[A]

What am I crazy here? What is his yards per carry this year? Derek Henry.

[C]

It's crap.

[B]

4.8, 4.9. It's great.

[D]

Who cares?

[B]

No, it's great.

[A]

No, it is 4.9. I thought he was having such a bad year.

[C]

I thought, yeah.

[A]

It feels wrong to me.

[C]

That's like a secret set.

[A]

I'm emailing stats.com.

[D]

That'S not.

[C]

I'm actually looking at the game log right now. He has yet to have consecutive games this year since September with north of 4 yards per carry in back to back weeks. So that might be a reason why I thought that he had a terrible rushing average this year. Yeah, but he gets A lot of carries from week to week. He's the goal line guy. Lamar's not running anywhere. He hasn't been running near the goal line for years, so that's really not a big deal. I do worry about the games that are to get Cincinnati because it's Pittsburgh and then in the second round of the fantasy playoffs, it's New England. And then week 17, Akarine Bay.

[A]

I am blown away that he's averaging 4.9 yards per carry. He's not. Not anymore, but okay. Anyway. That's Derek Henry.

[C]

Yeah, it's a little lower than that, but he's in that four point range.

[A]

I don't know if stocks.com website, by the way. Green Bay 23, Minnesota 6. Green Bay 23, Minnesota 6.

[B]

Oh, are we doing believe it or not?

[A]

Yeah, I forgot about it on the first one, but we're back.

[B]

You know, you, you, you rushed through the notes and didn't give me the game. So I don't know the order they're in, so it's difficult to really. Which. Which what? Who to talk about next. Believe it or not, Jordan Addison's droppable.

[C]

Yes. Believe it.

[D]

Believe it.

[C]

I hate it, but I believe it. When we're talking about John Mechi and there's going to be other receivers that we're going to talk about on Tuesday. Addison is a name that you can drop for those guys.

[D]

I wonder if they make a quarterback.

[C]

Change, would that make you feel that much better about it?

[D]

If it's Max Brosmer, it can't be worse.

[A]

So believe it or not, I actually did send Heath.

[B]

I found the new notes. I know you sent two things that said notes today. Yeah, I'm prepared now.

[A]

Okay. Anything on the packers side? Anything? With the packers passing game, we had Jordan Love throwing for 139 yards. We had Christian Watson five catches, 49 yards on seven targets. How about buy or sell? Believe it or not or yes or no? Romeo Dobbs is droppable.

[D]

Believe it.

[C]

I think I'd rather hold on to him than Addison, but yeah, they're both droppable.

[D]

I don't know how much they want to trust Jordan Love throwing at this point with that shoulder injury.

[A]

Yeah, it's his left shoulder, but yeah, point taken. It's separated shoulder and it's painful and.

[C]

What'S going to happen.

[D]

Great. So it's like if their run game is going to be working and you know, like to Dave's point, Emmanuel Wilson, what you said earlier, you know, he didn't have a lot of great Runs he certainly got, he moved forward and he did a lot of, you know, positive things clearly. But like they probably are very content at this point with their quarterback dealing with their shoulder injury, with the receiving core complete mess at this point. Golden, not healthy and not the guy that they drafted for this year. Their tight end who was their best playmaker gone and the two receivers on the outside just not consistent on making plays like Octavian Wicks look the best of their receiving court today. So I would guess if you're Matt LaFleur, who's been very run heavy since getting Josh Jacobs is just going to say let's just run the ball, keep the game close, not make mistakes. And you can't trust the passing game for fantasy. So I don't know. I'm. I'm not very confident in starting, let alone if I need to make a roster move, having to hold on to, to Christian Watson or Romeo Dobbs if those are the last guys on the end of my bench.

[C]

The other side to it too is how many games are the Green Bay packers going to have where they might struggle to run the football next week?

[B]

Sure.

[C]

So that's going to be an interesting litmus test, but it's not going to be a matchup where. Well, maybe it is because we just saw the Giants throw like crazy and there are a bunch of that a good game. Maybe Dobbs does get more opportunities and maybe we shouldn't rush to get them off.

[D]

Yeah. But, but again, like I think there's a difference between struggling to run the ball and not running the ball. Like, I don't know if there's a situation where they get away from running the ball even if they're struggling to run the ball. Unless their defense struggles and they're chasing points to a significant degree. Yeah. All right.

[A]

Next game.

[D]

Like they've been very content keeping Jordan Love under 30 past attempts.

[A]

Next game is week one 23 and Indianapolis 20.

[B]

Believe it or not, Kareem Hunt is a must start running back even if Isaiah Pacheco comes back.

[D]

What about the new guy they did just sign?

[B]

Damien Pierce.

[D]

That's right.

[B]

So you can factor him in if you would like as well.

[A]

So again, believe it or not that Pacheco or that Kareem Hunter must start.

[B]

Running back no matter who he's sharing the backfield with. Yeah.

[C]

To call him a top 24 running back, I think he's going to make the cut.

[D]

I wouldn't talk about a dude mustard. Right.

[C]

Maybe not must start, but he's going to be one of the top 24 guys, I think in our rankings. Touchdown in four straight games. Now he's got a rushing average that's not so hot. He's at 3.9 for the year.

[A]

So who do you think will lead the team in carries when Pacheco's back?

[C]

Kareem Hunt.

[D]

Hunt.

[A]

Pittman with a big game. I mean, this, you know, this looked like a pretty good game for the passing offense.

[D]

Big game.

[A]

Pittman did not have a big game.

[D]

Oh, it felt 5, 27 and a touchdown.

[A]

No big game. Oh, he almost had another touchdown, I think, didn't he?

[C]

I mean, Justin Jefferson would have killed for that stat line.

[A]

Yeah, sorry. Pittman was fine.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know. This wasn't a great game. Certainly for Jonathan Taylor. Is anybody concerned about Jonathan Taylor?

[C]

Absolutely not.

[D]

No. I mean, the schedule is not great. The production when he's had some tough matchups hasn't been great. You're not benching him right in anytime soon. But you know, the, the league winning running back that we saw, the. The MVP is slipping away from him. You know, the offensive player of the year award is potentially slipping away from him, fantasy wise. No, I'm not concerned.

[B]

It was a. It was a game of two. Daniel Jones, the Chiefs, I was gonna.

[C]

Ask you about this.

[B]

In the first half rushed four most of the first half, Daniel Jones was completely comfortable and played almost perfect football. The second half, spags dialed up the pressure and Daniel Jones could have thrown two pick sixes in the fourth quarter. And I think they had three straight three notes to end the game.

[A]

Gonna be some tough decisions next week against Houston for fantasy managers. In terms of starting your Colts, I.

[B]

Don'T think it's that tough. I mean, I guess it's at home.

[A]

No, for Pitman. For. For Pitman.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, Warren, you'll start, but I'll probably sit.

[B]

Everybody but Taylor and Warren.

[D]

Okay. All right.

[A]

Patriots 26 and Cincinnati 20.

[B]

Heath is dismayed that he keeps ranking Drake may too high now.

[C]

Oh, no, no.

[B]

Today I think we should just put this out there because I don't know if we said it out loud.

[D]

So.

[B]

Believe it or not, today was actually a good day for rest of season Trayvon Henderson.

[C]

Projections, I do believe that you should.

[B]

It sucks that he didn't give you a good fantasy day, but he looks like an RB2.

[D]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah. And now listen, two games are Giants and Bills with a buy in there.

[C]

Yeah. So the matchups are going to be great. Of course, this matchup was supposed to be great too, but Just you should be excited with all the carries that he had. Ramandre looked terrible. I know Ramandre is not at 100. He's dealing with, I think turf toe. And so that's just going to slow him down. The problem that I've seen from Henderson for now, two straight games is there aren't enough. We talked about singles and doubles. There aren't enough doubles, triples and homers over the last two weeks. And when we did see some homers from Travion Henderson a couple weeks ago, it was really just like a bunch of singles and then two home runs. And so I'm. I was hoping by now that we'd see some more explosive runs from Travion on a regular basis. So it was just crystal clear that he's the best running back that the Patriots have and that they should use them all the time. And it just hasn't happened yet. Heath, you said it best. He's a number two fantasy running back in these next two games. One of them he's going to pop off for a big game. The matchups are too good. It. And they can't keep going back to Ramandre. And he had a great snapshare. So it wasn't. It wasn't huge. It wasn't, you know, it was 64. It wasn't 70 or 80, but it's still what we wanted. And he had the majority of the snaps inside the five. Yes. Number two running back moving forward.

[D]

Do we know the extent of Will Campbell's injury?

[C]

No, but it doesn't sound good. And he had, you know, the towel over his head as he was carted off the sideline.

[B]

It could be a problem for May and Henderson.

[D]

Yep.

[A]

And they lost the left guard too, in this.

[C]

They lost their guard very early on in the game.

[A]

Yeah, it's frustrating that he wasn't. Henderson wasn't more efficient here. And with May, it's four straight games now where it's been pretty underwhelming. 20.4 fantasy points against Atlanta, 22.1 at Tampa Bay, 17.4 against the Jets, 18 points today at Cincinnati. And like he's thrown for 281. He's throwing over 270 more yards in three straight games. Throws for a lot of yards. But there. There's been an interception in four of his last five games. And he only has one really good game this year when he's thrown a pick. That could be.

[D]

This one was bad too.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know. So. So what are you thinking? I Mean, he's got the Giants, obviously good matchup, but. Or how confident are you guys in Drake May going forward?

[D]

He's still a number one quarterback, but I think you just have to consider him alone number one quarterback as opposed to a mustard guy. So when we're talking about Mahomes struggling and Lamar Jackson struggling and you know, we've come out of some weeks with some other guys that have obviously not played great. Like clearly, if you get a big game from Brock Purdy Monday night and what we've seen from him, you might consider starting Purdy over May. At this point, Brissette is kind of in a similar scenario. You know, I have, I have a league where I have Drake May and Caleb Williams and that's going to be something that's going to, you know, frustrate me now over the next couple weeks. Bo Nicks has been up and down as a fantasy quarterback, so I think he just kind of put him in that range of guys of, you know, most likely starting, confident start, probably not. But I mean he's been fantastic for his draft value. He's been fantastic more times than not. I think you just sort of say, okay, still number one qb, just not a top five qb.

[C]

What did we love about him at the, in the early third of the year and maybe even going back to like the game against Cleveland, like first half of the year. What do we love about Drake May?

[D]

That he was good.

[B]

He scored a lot of fantasy points.

[C]

He ran a lot. He's had 22 or fewer rushing yards in four straight games. He hasn't scored in like two months. So not having that Russia, that's by design. Yeah. Well, that hurts his fantasy upside. And now that the offensive line could crumble, does that mean he runs a little bit more? Because plays could break down, pressure could be on him. Could he run? Could he be by design not running less? Fewer design runs because Henderson has started to get going? I don't, I don't know the answer to these questions, but I, I think this is part of why May has fallen off a little bit as a fantasy asset.

[A]

Okay. Chase Brown with another impressive game against a great run defense. He has. He is running really well. So you'll be easy to start certainly as long as P. Ryan is out and hopefully the usage doesn't change when P. Ryan's back. Seattle 30 and Tennessee 24.

[B]

JIR DK is the best DK wide receiver in fantasy football.

[A]

No, I.

[C]

A month ago I might have said yes, but we've seen some bad games from DK since then.

[B]

But which one?

[C]

Shim rates. Okay. Yeah, I, I have to.

[D]

It is the first game for him without Calvin Ridley healthy. And that's kind of when he took off. The first time was when really first got injured. So no, I thought game work played really well today given the, the defense he was facing. And you know, especially early and late the second and third quarter, they kind of figured things out a little bit defensively Seattle, but once they were up big, maybe they took their foot off the gas. But I, I think you're going to get games like this for DK where you're going to get seven plus targets, you're going to get opportunities for him to get up, you're going to get opportunities for him. And so like comparing him to Metchie for example. I think that's a fair comp. You know, bad team, questionable quarterback targets will be there. Will he be productive enough to trust? So deeper three receiver leagues I think DK comes into play.

[A]

Same question that you asked about Travion Henderson Heath. You know, believe it or not, this was a good week for Trayvon Henderson usage wise. Same question with Ken Walker. What do you think?

[B]

Dave?

[D]

Hi.

[B]

You have the, the, the snap counts.

[C]

Say please no. 64 for Walker. Four of seven on third down, three of four inside the 10.

[B]

Yeah, believe it.

[A]

Yeah, but I thought. Yeah, but the other one was that he had the season high in route participation rate which was cool. But again, you know, those things can change week by week. But that was great for Ken walker who had 11 carries. Only 11 carries. But Charbonnet only had six. They just didn't. They probably didn't run that many plays. They only had the ball for 22 minutes and 35 seconds.

[D]

Yeah. Remember my joke at the this morning? It worked the other way. Yeah.

[A]

Rashid Shahid I have a feeling is going to start getting dropped. He's 74 roster.

[D]

Yeah, that was disappointing. I, I did think Darnold would play well. This is the setup you want for him, you know, so it's just when he has these type of matchups, you can consider him a low end starter.

[A]

Okay. Next game is Chicago is the offensive.

[D]

Player of the year.

[A]

JSN. Oh, he's incredible. Chicago 31, Pittsburgh 28.

[B]

You might have to sit Roma Dunes in a three wide receiver league.

[C]

Not there yet. Don't believe it.

[D]

Not in three receiver leagues but two receiver leagues for sure. Especially going against Philly this week.

[A]

Oh, Dunesay. Oh man, it's frustrating with him. So wait, who they have Philly. Wait, are you saying Philly is a Philadelphia good or bad for Odunze?

[D]

I'm saying that with Odunze struggling, taking on Philadelphia after the game that they just had, this is not the week you want to trust Roma Dunze. Right. Okay. Okay.

[A]

We're on the scene.

[B]

I still think, like, I'm still going to treat the Eagles like one of the two or three best defenses in the NFL.

[D]

Yeah. Offense is going to make a lot of defenses look bad. Yeah, right. For sure.

[B]

Didn't they do it to the packers, too?

[A]

Yes, they did. All right.

[C]

And we talked about today with CD Lamb, dropping passes in the run game just being so. So.

[A]

Yeah, see, sorry. We talked about the Steelers backfield. We talked to D.K. metcalf had eight targets, which was cool. He had a rushing touchdown. It was almost a passing touchdown. So if you started Mason Rudolph, you got. You got unlucky there. And yeah, Caleb, Jamie talked about him as a winner earlier, but it's just. Man. At Philadelphia, at Green Bay. Cleveland. Green Bay. Yikes. That is tough sledding ahead, at least on paper. And just last question, real quick. Is anybody going to be interested in starting DJ Moore or adding Colston Loveland or adding Luther Burden, you know, next week or going forward?

[D]

I think yes. More. I think you just consider him a hold. So if you have him, you don't drop him. If you don't start him yet, but if he has another good game, then maybe you buy into. I mean, this is just it. It's been so fluky for him. You know, he has the touchdown pass and the run. Two games go, three games, go wherever that was. Like, he just hasn't been producing so much as a receiver and that. I don't know if just the Steelers were like, okay, we don't have to worry about him. And, you know, the one touchdown, he was. There's nobody near him. So I don't want to chase these points.

[C]

I. I didn't watch this game closely enough, but it looked like from what I saw, they just didn't defend the middle of the field very well. And more crushed them on slants and posts and stuff like that.

[A]

Man, I. I don't want to go out on a limb and give horrible advice, but I just feel like based on what we've seen all season and what the upcoming schedule is, I just said it for Caleb Williams. Philadelphia at Green at Philadelphia. AK Green Bay. Cleveland Green Bay. We're getting into December. It's going to be cold. I think Caleb Williams, if you still have a trade deadline, feels like the best sell high in the world.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

All right.

[A]

At least I'm not on an island there if it goes horribly wrong. Detroit 34.

[D]

But I mean, like if you could turn Caleb Williams into turning in their quarter, like you're not going to get Lamar Jackson or Drake May for him, but maybe some sort of package with Caleb and an overpay for Drake May and something.

[C]

Well, I almost think the, the move to make is you've got Caleb Williams and, I don't know, Drake May on your fantasy team and you're going to have a tough time deciding between those guys. Now you know which one to trade off is Caleb. Get what you can for Caleb. Help your team somewhere else. You don't have to make the tough lineup decision every single week.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

All right. Detroit 34, Giants 27. A thriller in overtime.

[B]

We talked about almost every relevant player that played in this game, so let's talk about one who didn't. Jackson dart goes right back to being a must start quarterback in his first game back against the Patriots.

[D]

Believe it.

[C]

Does he change how he plays?

[B]

They've talked about it.

[D]

I hope so.

[C]

Well, if he, if he changes how he plays, then his rushing upside could go away.

[D]

No slide, get out of bounds. Just don't be stupid and take the hits. You still run?

[A]

I hope so.

[B]

I don't jump into three defenders.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm willing to trust it. Next week against New England, I believe it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For the first time in 10ish years, I'm gonna say this. Okay. Hit record. The Giants have a good offensive line. It's showing up.

[D]

All right.

[A]

We can move on.

[D]

Unless you are you. I missed, obviously, the Wando talk. Are you in on Wando now, Adam? Yeah.

[A]

First of all, when I was giving fantasy advice this week, it was a lot of start Wandale Robinson, I did think he was a start. He has a good floor. I don't expect these types of games from him. He played great today. He made some really tough catches. He played really great. But no, I mean, I would sell high on him. I think he's gonna average about 13 PPR points per game rest of season.

[D]

Averaging since Neighbors has gone down.

[A]

Well, I don't.

[D]

I.

[A]

What I can tell you is that going into this week, he was wide receiver 32 per game.

[B]

Now he's currently wide receiver 20.

[A]

Was that.

[B]

He's currently wide receiver 20 per game.

[A]

Yeah, but that was including the, you know, with Neighbors. But since Neighbors and he had that huge game against Dallas. Right.

[C]

So since neighbors 14.5 ppr points per.

[D]

Game is what, since the neighbor's injury?

[C]

Since right from week five on.

[D]

So number two receiver.

[A]

I'll put him below. But that's. That's almost a number one these days this year. Not quite, but that's probably top 18. I'd have to guess 14 and a half. I mean, such a bad year for receivers.

[C]

You want to know what his average is in non PPR?

[A]

Yeah, I. I wouldn't even know. What's 8.5?

[C]

8.5.

[A]

Is that good? I don't even know.

[C]

I think that's pretty good for like a number two receiver and not.

[D]

Is. Is one of the most depressing things you've seen this season. Russell Wilson going out to do the coin toss at overtime.

[A]

Oh, did he do that?

[D]

Yes. Oh, in his helmet.

[A]

Did he win?

[D]

No. Well, I don't know the lines. Got the ball first. I don't know.

[A]

All right. Cleveland 24. He probably did win. I think most teams Defer now. Cleveland 24, Las Vegas 10. We get into the late window.

[B]

How. How did we make it an hour and not talk about Shador Sanders being the first starting quarterback in 17 QBs to win their first start for the Browns?

[A]

Pretty cool.

[B]

Believe it or not, Sugar, Sanders should be the starting quarterback for the Browns.

[D]

The rest of the season. He should. I don't know if you saw, but Stefanski did not commit to it.

[B]

I'm sure.

[C]

I'm shocked.

[A]

But that's better than him saying outright that Gabriel's going to be the starter when he's back. Because that's what he had said. Right.

[C]

In all serious one.

[B]

His interception was laughably bad, but I thought he made five to ten. Like NFL quarterback. Place you.

[D]

You. You should stop to five. But yes, five. Fairly good. Those.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Good for him. It was good. I mean, it didn't work out for anyone other than Dylan Sampson, who had a long touchdown catch.

[D]

Well, I mean, look, Jerry Judy screwed him by forgetting that there's, you know, 11 players that play defense on the field.

[A]

It's tough to remember that, Jamie.

[D]

It is. You know, it's hard.

[C]

Explains a lot.

[D]

You know, we have. We still have issues about Harold Fannin and David Najoka is clearly droppable if he wasn't already. Yeah.

[C]

How about the schedule for Cleveland moving forward? 49ers Titans at Chicago.

[B]

They're still in the race.

[A]

Let's go.

[D]

But they're gonna keep.

[C]

They are.

[D]

The. The thing that they should do just because their defense is so good, they're going to keep every game close. All right.

[A]

Brock Bowers is a little. Little frustrating lately, but you're obviously. Everyone's going to start.

[B]

She knows. So bad.

[C]

Entirely.

[D]

Gino like that. That offensive line is a joke. This was just a disaster waiting to happen. You know, the. The funniest thing maybe that I've seen in a long time is instead of kicking a field goal, they punted to try and add to their sack total at the end of the game.

[C]

It was. It was a punt from. The Browns punted from their own 29. Now, I'm sorry. The Browns punted from the Raiders 29 yard line in the fourth quarter. I've never seen anything like that before.

[D]

Oh, man.

[A]

Okay, to the next game.

[C]

How many sacks in total did they have?

[D]

Do you have nine or ten?

[A]

Nine times. Jackson 27, Arizona 24. Another overtime thriller.

[D]

I mean, just stupid coaching after stupid coaching in this game.

[B]

Seriously, there was lots of stupid coaching.

[A]

Believe it.

[B]

Like for dynasty purposes. Is Trevor Lawrence headed down the Kyler Murray path? Like, they're probably gonna. They, maybe. Maybe they'll sneak into the playoffs this year, but he was just awful and he has this long contract, and I feel like he's going to be the guy they're paying $50 million to not play on our team.

[D]

I mean, I want to keep talking. I'll find something that was an incredible stat about this game.

[A]

Oh, I'll go ahead and I'll. I'll just pretend to still be high on Trevor Lawrence. Heath, give him a break. Okay? It's first year in a new system. He's missing Brian Thomas Jr. Who was having a great year before this. How can you judge Trevor Lawrence who's the number one pick in the draft? Are you crazy when you say Thomas.

[C]

Was having a great year? You mean before this year?

[A]

I. Everything I said was facetious there.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

All right. This is from. This is from Theo Mackie, who covers the team, one of the beat writers for the Cardinals. I just lost it. Sorry. Where is it? NFL teams had won their past 50 games with a plus four turnover margin. The Cardinals broke that streak.

[A]

Oh, but actually, it's been a historic.

[C]

Year for the Cardinals.

[D]

It's absolutely amazing. The fact I. I mean, I don't know how they don't fire Gannon, but the, the fact that Trevor Lawrence at times looked so awful and then still manages three touchdowns is. Is incredible.

[A]

Yeah, he had a decent game, but no, he doesn't have Thomas and he doesn't have Hunter, so I think there's a chance he could be. Solid fantasy.

[B]

Huge day for Travis etn.

[A]

Yes, let's talk about that. Because Tutin didn't really do anything. So that's why I, I hesitate with sometimes at these committees because they change on a weekly basis. It's. It seems.

[D]

I wonder how much that ankle injury really changed what the Jaguars may have had planned because 15 carries at 12 before he got hurt last week and then he practiced all week. But you know, you just wonder if ETN's just got the job locked down and you don't have to worry about it.

[A]

Yeah, I guess I, I guess we can't sit here and say with any, with any certainty what next week will look like for the Jaguars.

[D]

Although their off season is going to be very interesting because they have a decision to make on ETN and a decision to make on Jacoby Myers, that they bring Myers back, which I believe they have him under contract. They bring Myers back. That trio of receivers could be fantastic.

[A]

I thought he. No, he's a free agent.

[D]

He's afraid. Yeah.

[B]

I'm pretty sure Parker Washington was better today anyway.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. I think he is. I mean AI overview on Google is saying he is and that probably means he's signed for the next 10 years next game.

[D]

And this was great for strange like mustache.

[A]

Yeah, actually there were a lot of fantasy relevant things here. I'm sorry for skipping through it. Look, I can't sit here and say anything about the Cardinals running backs. Hopefully it'll be Benson next week. Knight got hurt again. It's just they're like 49ers running backs right now. And then Wilson was awesome. Rick Bride was great again And Dorch had nine targets. So he's something somebody to look at. Atlanta 24 and New Orleans 10.

[B]

Kyle Pitts is droppable.

[C]

Believe it.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. This was frustrating.

[A]

Boy, if you, if you were One of the 28 of CBS Sports users who started Darnell Mooney, three targets, 74 yards at a touchdown. Got a little lucky there. London back next week. So that should be good. When you look at the way you're.

[D]

Saying that, I don't think it's guaranteed.

[B]

No. Oh no, it's hopefully, hopefully London.

[D]

I think that's that both shows on Friday and you're not wrong. I mean he could return next week, but you're very confident that.

[A]

I thought the coach said that they expect him back next week.

[D]

No, they're hopeful. Okay. Well, this is almost like your Joe Burrow will never play again.

[A]

Excuse me? Joe Burrow himself said that the record could depend on it. Well, he didn't say that he deferred.

[D]

Then he practiced in full for a week.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, right. They probably. And he didn't play, did he?

[D]

He did not. You're correct so far. You're correct. I cannot critique you for your. Joe Burrow will retire at the age of 25.

[A]

Are you nervous about Drake London with what you've seen from Kirk Cousins?

[B]

Not to the extent where I might not start him, but yes, to the extent that I might not have a league winning wide receiver.

[C]

Well put.

[A]

Okay. And Chris Olave continues to the. Chris Olave is now this. Three or four years in a row we have had this, you know, good player fall pretty late in drafts because of horrible quarterback concerns and produce.

[D]

It was Mario concerns for him.

[A]

Yeah. Amari Cooper, Mike Evans. I want to say Godwin last year, but Goblin where. I don't know if we were concerned about Baker Mayfield last year.

[D]

I don't honestly remember when we were concerned about injuries.

[A]

Yeah. And Olave this year. So it's. It's kind of something I'll be looking at next year.

[B]

But I think Pittman. Those are the three that worked. Or four or five or six. But like, there's been years where we've been concerned about guys because of quarterback play and they. They're terrible.

[A]

But how many times has it been in a. I mean, the truth is Olave hasn't been that accomplished, but an accomplished guy who we were.

[B]

I feel like a lobby himself. We've just hoped the quarterback play wouldn't matter. And he's been disappointing based on ADP Invest years.

[A]

Yeah. Well, he's been a good pick, so. Good stuff.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Dallas 24, Philadelphia 21.

[B]

George Pickens is the best fantasy wide receiver on the Cowboys. That's my favorite response. That is my favorite response.

[C]

No one's sure to.

[D]

Can they just both be awesome?

[A]

Nope. We need an answer.

[D]

So rest of season, you have the. I forget the. The colors of the pills in the matrix. Take one. Blue and red.

[C]

Yep.

[D]

So one's blue, one's red.

[A]

Well, I don't know because if the red pill. I. I don't remember one of them. You know, you don't go into the matrix. But then, oh, boy, Lamb's been better.

[C]

Than him in just two of the last five games. There was one game where they were both really close to each other. Two where they were close to each other.

[D]

Picking is just awesome.

[B]

He's playing really. It's not just a fantasy thing like he's playing.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

It. It's always easy to do. You know hindsight, like they gave him up, the Steelers gave him up for such little compensation and then paid DK Metcalf that contract. It's just crazy. Like this is what they let walked out the door.

[A]

Dickens would not be.

[C]

I don't think they liked having him in their door.

[A]

No, I get every reason why it happened.

[D]

I totally get every reason why it happened. And he's not doing this in Pittsburgh by any stretch. But this is what they let walk when they had him under control and could have franchise tagged him to pay DK Metcalf all that money.

[A]

It's a funny question, Heath, but obviously we're starting both of them each week. But can we talk about Javante?

[B]

Did anyone answer?

[D]

No, I'll take Pickens, I'll take Lamb.

[C]

I'm not answering.

[A]

Heath, you can answer.

[B]

No, I, I asked the questions here.

[A]

What do you guys think about Javante? And just he kept. He's getting so damn close to a touchdown. 20 carries, 87 yards, two catches, 14 yards, which is miraculous for him. Two catches for 14 yards. But what do you think about him?

[B]

Must start top 15 running back. Yeah, well, maybe top 20 next week.

[A]

And the week after Kansas City and at Detroit next week. Next two weeks.

[C]

Yeah, it's tough. You gotta love the workload. Rushing average isn't that bad.

[A]

He's faced very good run defenses and he's run well against them. Yeah, he just can't.

[B]

You're not going to sit him against the Chiefs or the Lions and they're very tough matchups. So that tells you who he is.

[A]

Yeah. All right. Thank you all. We will have beyond the box score tomorrow to talk about Tampa Bay and their miraculous comeback from a 21 nothing deficit for a huge win. 3528. Calling that now. Not really, though that'll be really fun to talk about and we'll give you some advanced stuff and buy or sell. Thank you all for watching. Listening. Leave some comments in the chat, in the in the comment section and hit the like button on the way out. See you later.

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