Week 15 Recap: Trevor Lawrence, Patrick Mahomes and RB Injuries, TreVeyon Henderson and More (12/14 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today (FFT) — Week 15 Recap: Trevor Lawrence, Patrick Mahomes, RB Injuries, TreVeyon Henderson & More

Date: December 15, 2025
Hosts: Adam Aizer, Heath Cummings, Jamey Eisenberg, Dave Richard
Episode Focus: Comprehensive recap of Week 15 Fantasy Football action, including analysis of key player performances, significant injuries (notably Patrick Mahomes), waiver wire pickups, winners and losers, and playoff outlooks.

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers an in-depth breakdown of crucial Week 15 NFL action as it pertains to fantasy football, with a strong focus on emerging player trends, jaw-dropping and disappointing performances, and the mounting impact of injuries. The hosts offer rapid analysis, actionable advice, and plenty of banter, aiming to help listeners survive and thrive in the fantasy playoffs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Biggest Winners and Losers

[04:09]

• Winner – TreVeyon Henderson (RB, Patriots)

  • Broke out with 14 carries, 148 yards, 2 TDs, plus receiving work.
  • “He tried to win the dang game by himself. Just phenomenal. Two long touchdown runs, looking like the player we thought he was.” – Heath Cummings (04:12)
  • Only the second player in NFL history with two games of 2+ TD runs of 50+ yards in a single season.
  • Outlook: RB2, even in a committee. Faces Baltimore next: “We’ll start him as an RB2.” – Heath (05:44)

• Winner – Trevor Lawrence (QB, Jaguars)

  • Scored the most fantasy points of any player this year in Week 15.
  • “Must start QB… He made a throw today… rolled to his left, threw on the run, down the sideline, hit him in stride, got hit as he threw. It was a great play.” – Adam (07:01)
  • Caution for his next matchup (@Denver), but the long-term trend is bullish.

• Losers – Joe Burrow (QB, Bengals) & Stefon Diggs (WR, Bills)

  • Burrow: "He looked miserable out there... looks like he wants the season to end." – Jamie (08:32)
  • Diggs: "Three weeks now of just him being completely terrible...I don't know how you could feel comfortable starting him against Baltimore next weekend." – Jamie (09:32)
  • Burrow’s own words: “I think this is one of the worst games that I’ve played. I’m honest with myself.” – relayed by Adam (09:10)

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Major Injury Updates

[11:11]

• Patrick Mahomes (QB, Chiefs) — Torn ACL
  • Out for the season. Gardner Minshew takes over.
  • “Rest of the way for the Chiefs who have been eliminated from the playoffs.” – Adam (03:59)
  • Fantasy fallout: “It’ll be good for Kelce, and you’re gonna start Rashee Rice... Chiefs running backs? Avoid.” – Heath (11:40)
• Other injuries:
  • Donovon Knight, Woody Marks, RJ Harvey, Devin Neal (RBs) — Various injuries with waiver implications.
  • Christian Watson, Tyquan Thornton (WRs), and Puka Nacua (temporary cramps).
  • Micah Parsons (DAL), Christian Watson (GB) both with serious injuries.

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Waiver Wire & Emerging Pickups

[20:08]

• Headliners:
  • Gardner Minshew: Plug-and-play QB in Superflex/2QB formats.
  • Colby Parkinson (TE, Rams): “Must-add if Davante Adams is out.” – Jamie (20:23)
  • Cardinals RBs (Michael Carter & D’Mercado): Monitor injury news.
  • Matthew Golden, Jalen Coker, DonTayvion Wicks, etc.: Deeper league adds for WR needy teams.

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Notable Quotes & Banter

Trevor Lawrence’s Ascendence

• “You got to wait on these guys for six years. You never know when they’re going to finally reach their potential. And Trevor Lawrence has come into his own.” – Heath (06:51)

Injury Reactions & Fantasy Outlook

• “The season isn’t the only thing that falls apart by midseason...I’m like an old lineman but without the workout plan.” – Jamie (Opening banter)
• “Kelce might still be okay. You’re gonna start Rashee Rice, and you don’t want to start any Chiefs running back anyway.” – Heath (11:40)

The Frustration (and Comedy) of Lineup Decisions

• “If the guy you sit scores 20 more than the guy you start and you lose by less than 20, you feel bad about it. That’s the way this game works.” – Heath (07:47)
• [On Ken Walker]: “Again, 1.9 yards per carry, looked absolutely awful...I don’t know what’s happening with Ken Walker or why any human being would be optimistic about starting him in fantasy.” – Dave (27:14)

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Timestamps for Crucial Segments

• [03:02] – Show proper begins; preview of episode focus.
• [04:09] – Big winners: TreVeyon Henderson highlighted.
• [06:08] – Trevor Lawrence as week’s top scorer.
• [08:16] – Losers: Stefon Diggs & Joe Burrow dissected.
• [11:11] – Huge injury news: Mahomes, Parsons, running backs.
• [14:07] – RB injury rundown, waiver/contingency chatter.
• [16:23] – Woody Marks "fumble-TD" scoring controversy explained.
• [20:08] – Early Waiver Wire preview with injury fallout.
• [22:31+] – Winners: Jacoby Brissette, C.J. Stroud, Jalen Hurts, DeAndre Swift, Tyrone Tracy Jr.
• [26:57] – Losers: Ken Walker, Isaiah Likely, Breece Hall, Quinchon Judkins.
• [32:25] – RB Opportunity Shuffle: Usage and trust discussions.
• [37:16]+ – Game-by-game breakdowns for every major matchup, with fantasy takeaways.

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Game-by-Game Highlights

(Selected Key Entries — more covered during episode)

Houston 40, Arizona 20

• CJ Stroud shines as a potential injury replacement– “Could be a fantasy starter if Woody Marks is hurt.” – Dave (24:04)

Buffalo 35, New England 31

• TreVeyon Henderson & Rhamondre Stevenson: “One’s an RB2, the other’s a flex” — Heath (43:32)

Baltimore 24, Cincinnati 0

• Lamar Jackson: Efficient real-life game, fantasy frustration: “I don’t think you should go, I have to sit Lamar Jackson next week.” – Adam (29:10)
• Cincinnati RB split (Chase Brown/Samaje Perine): Leaning Brown as RB2, but murky. – Dave (45:20)

Chargers 16, Chiefs 12

• Gardner Minshew in and Mahomes out: Start Kelce and Rice, avoid KC RBs. – Heath (11:52)

Philadelphia 31, Las Vegas 0

• DeVonta Smith & Eagles Stars: "Next week could be amazing for them" (vs. Washington) – Jamie (52:10)

Other Notables:

• Washington RBs (Croskey Merritt): Not repeatable; “Best matchup ever” was Giants (53:38)
• David Montgomery/Blake Corum split: Montgomery is "non-PPR king," Corum closing the gap (66:28)
• Trey McBride as Fantasy MVP: “He’s been probably better than any wide receiver since Jacoby Brissette has taken over.” – Adam (38:27)

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Memorable Moments and Fun

• On Jerry Jeudy: “Jerry Jeudy is the worst football player in the NFL.” – Heath (56:02)
• On the hypothetical island: “Jerry Jeudy’s going to catch neither coconuts nor prey because he can’t catch anything.” – Heath (61:48)
• Adam's hair: “Adam, by the way, hair looks really good today.” – Jamie (12:53)
• Dan vs. Rocky movie running joke, “Dan drawing Wandale’s routes in the sand” ([65:28] & [65:05])
• Dynamic chat banter/inside jokes throughout, especially regarding fantasy pain points and setting lineups.

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Actionable Advice

• Waiver wire priorities: Minshew, Parkinson, Carter/Demercado, Coker, Brissette—even for fantasy playoffs.
• Next week’s tough calls: Start Trevor Lawrence only if desperate; downgrade KC RBs, consider fading Ken Walker and Quinchon Judkins.
• Monitor injuries: Many playoff teams will swing based on RB news—watch updates on Woody Marks, RJ Harvey, Jaden Reed, Puka Nacua, and more.
• Streaming TE play: Colby Parkinson and others emerge as key late-season plays if thin at the position.
• Don’t panic on stars after down games: Emphasis on player process over short-term results (e.g., Lamar Jackson).

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Final Words

This high-energy, information-packed recap combines sharp fantasy insight with humor, delivering takeaways for every competitive playoff manager. Stay tuned for Beyond the Box Score, Waiver Wire Tuesday, and keep an eye on breaking news to optimize your roster heading into Week 16.

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[End of summary — For full details, consult key timestamps above or listen to the episode for individual game breakdowns, detailed analysis, and chat-driven fun.]

Transcript

[Adam Mazer]

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[Heath Cummings]

This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports.

[Adam Mazer]

What a play. Can you believe this?

[Heath Cummings]

No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league.

[Adam Mazer]

Off to the races and he stays on his feet. This is gonna go the distance.

[Heath Cummings]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Adam Mazer]

All right, everybody, hope it's been a fun and good, productive Sunday for all of you and hope you are, you know, on the way to moving on in your fantasy playoff match. Adam Mazer and Heath Cummings here on Sunday night Fantasy football Today presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary. One of us or two of us? There's one analyst right now. There will be three. There will be a four man show pretty soon, but Heath, a lot on your shoulders right now. You good?

[Heath Cummings]

No, I, you know, I've already received some text messages of like, consolation, like, I'm sorry, like, what are you talking about? Like, it's been seven straight years of complete dominance and we just think that the Chiefs were going to win the.

[Jamie]

Super bowl every year.

[Heath Cummings]

Like, it's fine. Who cares?

[Adam Mazer]

Acl, man.

[Jamie]

What?

[Adam Mazer]

He tore his acl.

[Heath Cummings]

Be fine next year. He'd be fine.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Heath Cummings]

He's a quarterback.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah, that's. It's a real bummer. The face of the end.

[Jamie]

It was a real bummer.

[Heath Cummings]

Yes.

[Adam Mazer]

Tearing his acl. It's. It was tough.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam Mazer]

So it'll be Gardner Minshew the rest of the way for the Chiefs who have been eliminated from the playoffs. All right, we have to talk about a ton of games today. So let's get into the biggest winners and biggest losers. Who's the biggest winner?

[Heath Cummings]

You know, I think that there were a lot of good choices this week.

[Adam Mazer]

It was a.

[Heath Cummings]

It was a week of winners and losers. But I want to highlight Travon Henderson because he tried to win the dang game by himself. Just phenomenal. Two long touchdown runs, looking like the player that we thought he was when he came into the NFL. And it's still a committee. It's going to be frustrating, but they can't. Like, they've been. It's. He's done enough to prove to even Mike Vrabel that you can't keep this in the box any longer.

[Adam Mazer]

He is Travion Henderson. Well, let's see where he is among running backs this week. He's number three, believe it or not, behind. Just behind Travis Etn, who caught three touchdowns and James Cook who scored three touchdowns. But it's 14 carries, 148 yards, two touchdowns plus two catches for 13 yards. Ramandre Stevenson today had only six carries and three catches, so 14 of 20 carries between the two of them is outstanding. Travion Henderson is the second player in NFL history to have a lot of, like, prepositional phrases here. To have two games in one season in which he had two 50 yard touchdowns or longer.

[Heath Cummings]

I think he's good.

[Adam Mazer]

The first one was, I'm gonna say Ken Walker, Chris Johnson.

[Heath Cummings]

Okay.

[Adam Mazer]

All right. So Trayvon Henderson is your big winner and he gets Baltimore on the road next week. You think he's a safe start?

[Heath Cummings]

I think we will start him as an RB2. And I want to apologize to the crowd that I missed this morning's YouTube stream. Just saw a comment in the chat that Dan is to rapid fire what Drago was to Apollo Cre and that 100% checks out. I saw zero percent of the show, but that sounds exactly right.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah, I was like, dan, you cannot tell this story right now. Like, you can't do it on Sunday morning. All right, My big winner is the guy who scored the most fantasy points of any player this year, and it's Trevor Lawrence. And I love the quotes after the game. Travis ETN said, I won a national championship with Trevor Lawrence. I've never seen him play this well. Lawrence said he feels so as confident as he's ever felt. And it just kind of feels like they've faced really easy competition over the last three weeks at Arizona, Indianapolis at home, and the Jets. But it also feels like this offense is really clicking. So he's definitely a winner.

[Heath Cummings]

Big win for you.

[Adam Mazer]

But he's just. No, you got to.

[Heath Cummings]

You got to wait on these guys for six years. You never know when they're going to finally reach their potential. And Trevor Lawrence has. Has come into his own. Must start QB.

[Adam Mazer]

No. @ Denver next week. I don't think I can call him that, but if you get to week 16 or week 17, part of me he's got the Colts on the road and he's just playing really well. He made a throw today. He made a very similar throw last week, but he rolled to his left. He threw on the run, like, kind of across his body, but down the sideline to Parker. Washington hit him in stride and he got hit as he threw. It was a great play. Jamie is here. What's up.

[Jamie]

Jamie? How are.

[Adam Mazer]

You? Good. Your mic settings. Please.

[Heath Cummings]

Investigate. Can I make a request to the chat just to make me feel a little.

[Adam Mazer]

Better?

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah. Can you guys tell me who you started over Trevor Lawrence this week? Because I started Marcus Mariota over Trevor Lawrence, started Jalen Hurts over Trevor Lawrence, and neither one of those felt very.

[Adam Mazer]

Good. You can't feel bad about the.

[Heath Cummings]

Hurts. Well, I mean, if you lose by. If, if, if the guy you set scores 20 more points than the guy you started and you lose by less than 20, you feel bad about it. That's the way this game.

[Adam Mazer]

Works. Yeah, I. I don't know. I mean, Mario, I get. But Laura, you couldn't bench Hertz for Lawrence and Hertz had a great game. We've got beyond the box score. Tomorrow. It's just going to be me and Dan. I'm sure it'll be real quick and we'll. I'll send out a tweet on Sunday night, as I always do. Who do you want to hear about? We'll talk about whoever you say. Biggest loser. Jamie, who's a big loser.

[Jamie]

Today? Who's a big loser today? I forgot who I sent you.

[Adam Mazer]

Already. You sent me Stefan Diggs, who ran 55% of the routes, had four targets, three catches for 26 yards, and I don't. I don't know what happened to Joe Burrow. He was your other loser. 5.5 fantasy points against.

[Jamie]

Baltimore. It. You know, this. Got some questions about the borough press conference this week. And, you know, should we trust him? And I was like, yes. I mean, he's gonna play if he plays. You're trusting him. He looked miserable out there today, you know, and the, the first interception that was tipped by Jamar Chase. The second one was just an awful throw. They. They just looked completely off. And he looks like he wants the season to end. And so I hope he plays in week 16. I hope he takes advantage of the Dolphins defense. I hope that anybody who. I mean, I started about 10 leagues and I think I'm gonna get lucky in advance in most of them because of the rest of my roster. But, like, I'm. I'm terrified. I'm terrified right now. Like, I hope T. Higgins plays. Like, there's just a lot of Fs right now. It just, it was, it was rough. And in the case of Diggs, like, you know, we, we have the three week sample, I think it's three weeks now of Just him being completely terrible and I don't know how you could feel comfortable. Comfortable starting him against Baltimore next.

[Adam Mazer]

Weekend. Nope. I was big Diggs fan this week and that's. I'm wearing a dunce cap for that. There's no evidence to suggest he's going to have a good game. Joe Burrow did talk after the game and he said, you know, earlier in the week, Jamie was alluding to. He said he's not having fun. He said, quote my comment. This is after the game today. My comments had nothing to do with Cincinnati. My comments had everything to do with me and my mindset and football. So he's dealing with something right now. Hopefully he can work his way out of it. He said, I think this is one of the worst games that I've played. I'm honest with myself and my play and I hold myself to a high standard and today didn't come close. All right, so big winners were Trayvon Henderson, Trevor Lawrence. Big losers, Joe Burrow and Stefan Diggs. Big winner is always going to be BetMGM, even if you feel like a loser because you made a first touchdown score bet and it didn't come through right. So you bet on your favorite player to score the first touchdown of the game, but his teammate scores instead. If this happens, BETMGM wants to give you another chance at the end zone. With BetMGM Second Chance promotion, you'll get your stake back if your first touchdown scorer scores second instead. That's right. Bet on any pro football player to score the first touchdown of the game. If you're right, you win. If your player scores second, you get your stake back in cash. With BetMGM's second chance offer, you have a chance to keep the fun going after the first player crosses the goal line. Try a first touchdown scorer wager with confidence today. Bet mgm make it legendary. All right, news and notes. Mahomes torn acl. They will finish with Tennessee on the road. I mean, an amazing matchup. Then Denver at home and then at Las Vegas in week 18. So, Heath, what do you think.

[Jamie]

You got to feel like. Like the. The consolation for this is you get to see Minchu take apart the Titans defense.

[Heath Cummings]

Right. You know, I think he. He played really well for all but one of his plays. Yeah, it's. I. I think that based on what we saw in a very limited sample size, Travis Kelce might still be.

[Adam Mazer]

Okay. Throw three.

[Heath Cummings]

Passes.

[Jamie]

Four.

[Adam Mazer]

Four.

[Heath Cummings]

Okay. And I think all but one of them went to.

[Adam Mazer]

Kelsey. Five.

[Jamie]

Hey.

[Heath Cummings]

Okay. I think it'll be good for Kelsey and you're gonna start Rashi Rice and you don't want to start any Chiefs running back anyway. And I would probably just leave it at.

[Dave]

That. You guys might get the 12th pick in the.

[Jamie]

Draft. Do you. I hope they take a running back. Do you. Do you. Or offensive line. Do you think this is the end of Kelsey.

[Heath Cummings]

Now? I don't know. Like, he's. He had the terrible game last week, but for the most part he's been better than he was last year. And he said that, like, he may put it. Put in a lot of work to get into shape for this year. So it'll be interesting to see he goes and gets married and I guess probably just see what his wife.

[Adam Mazer]

Wants him to do, whoever she is. So do you guys think Rashid Rice is still. You think he's gonna be a top five receiver, top 12.

[Heath Cummings]

Receiver?

[Jamie]

15. Okay. I think you've got to be still encouraged because of who they're playing. Yeah, but it's. It's not as good. And he's. He has to have taken three of the worst hits I've seen in the last two weeks. Like hospital balls. Yeah. Just looks like he's about to die. Adam, by the way, hair looks really good.

[Adam Mazer]

Today. Thank you. I appreciate that. You know what? It's really not bad. I appreciate.

[Heath Cummings]

That. Can I ask you a question, Adam? Because I think everybody wants to know. I'm just really curious. Who do you have left in the Scott.

[Adam Mazer]

Fishbowl? Oh, boy. I have Aaron.

[Jamie]

Rodgers.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah. I mean, does it matter? I'm not moving.

[Heath Cummings]

On. You're 28 points behind the.

[Adam Mazer]

Count. Really? Okay, well, who do I have.

[Heath Cummings]

Left? I want. I think everybody like to cheer for your. Cheer for your team over the.

[Adam Mazer]

Next. I got this, bro. I got Lamb, Rogers and.

[Jamie]

Addison. Okay. Yeah. After the way today went, I wouldn't say you got anything yet until you got a.

[Adam Mazer]

Chance. No, I got a.

[Heath Cummings]

Chance. I've got a 16 point cushion with deck, but I think the score probably goes up 40 in the next two games.

[Jamie]

So.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah. All.

[Jamie]

Right. My son yesterday said about his playoff matchup, he's playing against Baker and he's. And you know, saw what Baker did. He's like, oh, I got this nowhere. No problem. I go, don't ever say that. Don't ever say.

[Adam Mazer]

That. All right. Running.

[Jamie]

Back. And guess who he started. He started.

[Adam Mazer]

Bro. A lot of running back news. Donovan Knight left in the fir immediately. Basically, Michael Carter got most of the work. They get Atlanta next week. Woody Marks left with an ankle injury in the second quarter, but apparently he could have come back in the game and they get Las Vegas next.

[Heath Cummings]

Week. Can, can Dave address the Woody Marks.

[Adam Mazer]

Thing? Yeah, let me.

[Heath Cummings]

Go. Let me just 7 million tweets about.

[Adam Mazer]

It. Let me go through the news and notes, then we'll talk about that. Because he scored on a fumble. He recovered a fumble and then he scored and you may not have the points for it. We'll talk about that. RJ Harvey left with a rib injury that was super late in the game. Jalil McLaughlin is the backup there. I don't have a, I don't have any update on Harvey. Devin Neal left with a hamstring injury. Used Audrick Estimate a lot in this game. Evan Hull as well. Basil Tootin left with a finger injury. And those are your running back updates. Christian Watson, chest injury. He was ruled out immediately. So that's never a good sign. Taekwond Thornton, concussion protocol. Ricky Piersoll limped off in the fourth quarter. Van Jefferson left with an injury. Tyler Lockett and then obviously one of the biggest ones is probably the biggest, Devonte Adams. So Sean McVeigh said that Adams was optimistic after the game, but he acknowledged it's going to be tough for Adams to get back at Seattle on Thursday. And that also is going to make us. It's going to be a really tough call with Matthew Stafford in this matchup, I think. Well, I don't know. It's going to be tough. Ish Gunner Helm is the only tight end I saw that left with an injury. He had his best game on the offensive line. We got Washington left tackle Laramie Tunsil, Kansas City right tackle Jalen Moore and Cleveland guard Kevin Jenkins. And the big defensive injuries, Micah Parsons with the knee injury and linebacker Quay Walker. I'm not sure if Walker came back, but he limped off for the Packers. Couple of injuries on the Baltimore defense and that's about it. A couple of jets defensive backs left with injuries. They didn't play any defense today anyway. All right, Dave, real quick, what's he.

[Jamie]

Said? Parsons.

[Adam Mazer]

Right? I did say.

[Jamie]

Parsons.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah. We didn't know what, what it is yet with Parsons, did.

[Dave]

We? It's a torn.

[Heath Cummings]

Acl. I thought it was.

[Jamie]

Acl. Officially it's not official, but yeah.

[Dave]

It'S. The latest report is that it's a torn acl. Also, Christian Watson was taken by ambulance to the hospital. Ricky Pierce all says he's going to need imaging on his knee. I think it was his.

[Adam Mazer]

Knee. So kind of a, kind of.

[Dave]

A bloodbath today and it really accelerated with the four o' clock.

[Adam Mazer]

Games. Yeah, it really did. So we can address the Woody Marks thing. The one I didn't mention. Pukinakua. He left, but those are cramps. So Puka's.

[Dave]

Fine. He came back.

[Adam Mazer]

In. Yeah. Dave, what's going on with the Woody Marks.

[Dave]

Sitch? So he fumbled and then recovered his own fumble for a touchdown. That's not a carry for a touchdown. That's an offensive fumble recovery for a touchdown. And if your league counts those and awards six points for that, you're going to get credit for it. Just be patient. It will show up in your scoring system if your league doesn't take it up with your.

[Jamie]

Commissioner.

[Heath Cummings]

It. Technically, it was a snap that bounced before it got to him, right? He didn't.

[Jamie]

Fumble.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah. It wasn't his fumble, was.

[Heath Cummings]

It? They let me.

[Dave]

See. Who was.

[Adam Mazer]

It? I think it was CJ Strouds. I think it was CJ Stroud's fumble. Technically, it doesn't.

[Heath Cummings]

Matter. I think it was a direct snap to Woody Marks that hit the.

[Adam Mazer]

Ground.

[Dave]

Basically.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah. It was a wacky play, but you should get the points. But they haven't been showing up, so we're thinking tomorrow they.

[Dave]

Will. Yeah, they will. So give it time. Get a good night's rest. I will. I will. Make sure they show up if your league counts.

[Jamie]

Them.

[Adam Mazer]

Okay. I understand everybody was. Was freaking out about that. Of.

[Jamie]

Course. Yeah. No.

[Adam Mazer]

Question. The one league I have, Woody Marks going today, our commissioner did not enable the fumble recovery for a.

[Heath Cummings]

Touchdown. Like, I know you're always on the wrong side of this, but you agree that that should be six points, what Woody Marks did.

[Adam Mazer]

Right? Of course.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Mazer]

100%. Okay. I don't know what kind of commissioner wouldn't agree with.

[Jamie]

That.

[Adam Mazer]

Right. Anyway, except for.

[Heath Cummings]

You. Every other time we've talked about.

[Adam Mazer]

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[Jamie]

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[Adam Mazer]

Apply. All right, Jamie, so with the early waiver wire, a lot of injuries today. I think even the Christian Watson one, you know, Matthew golden stepped up. You have these running back injuries. Do you think there's a headliner on the waiver wire this week? There's Minshew, obviously. What do you.

[Jamie]

Think? Minshew certainly comes to mind. You have to see which of the Rams receivers that you'll want to trust, whether it's winning ton right Jordan winnington or two two Outlaw. I think Colby Parkinson has to be considered two touchdowns again today and you know, gonna benefit if Adams is not there. We got to see about this Luther Burden injury. Because burden is still available in some leagues. And so if Odunze is going to be out with the foot injury, you know, burden somebody that you're going to want to gravitate toward. D. Mercado, I guess going against.

[Adam Mazer]

The Falcons was Michael Carter was the one who got most of the.

[Jamie]

Work. I just wonder how that will work. So. Yeah, well, a Cardinals running back, let's just put it that.

[Adam Mazer]

Way.

[Jamie]

Sure. Cardinals running back there. Jordan for the Texans. You know, depending on Marx's injury or Chubb, you know, if Chubb's going to be back. So that's something left to keep an eye on there. Yeah, those are the ones that stand out right.

[Adam Mazer]

Now. Yeah. Could be a. Could be a busy week. I remember.

[Jamie]

With. I know who people will be.

[Dave]

Dropping.

[Jamie]

Who? Isaiah.

[Heath Cummings]

Likely. Oh, likely.

[Adam Mazer]

True. You know, that was one of the weirdest games when you look at the box score. Let me pull it up here. Baltimore and Cincinnati barely had the ball. They ran 40 plays at the ball for 20 minutes and 41 seconds. They threw 12. They threw 12 passes. Who saw that coming in this Baltimore Cincinnati game? Very.

[Jamie]

Strange. All right, so Flowers have had two.

[Adam Mazer]

Touchdowns. Yeah, he should have dropped one, by the way. Parkinson, unofficially, because sometimes the true media notes, their stats could be they change a little bit when like the game just ended. But when I saw he had almost all of his production with Adams off the field. Not necessarily after the injury. Only one target after the injury. I don't know what people are.

[Jamie]

Laughing at, but Dave was great.

[Adam Mazer]

There. Whatever. Okay, I've distracted now. Winners and losers. Heath, you had Travion.

[Jamie]

Hendricks. We can't always laugh at Dave when he's talking. When you're looking at the chat and find something fun, funny, sometimes we gotta laugh at you when Dave sees. Does something.

[Adam Mazer]

Funny. What did he. What did I do.

[Jamie]

Something? He's the. The little emoji that's next to.

[Adam Mazer]

Him. A little gingerbread man. That's great. All right, Heath, your other winner was Jacoby Brissette, who's still 75 rostered. 18 started. Star percentages are a little wonky right now, but hey, 26.5 fantasy points against.

[Heath Cummings]

Houston. Yeah, I. I think a lot of us, including myself because I benched him. Thankfully for Brock Purdy. So it worked out thinking that this Houston matchup was too tough for him. And he has just shown us repeatedly over and over and over against some of the best defenses in the NFL and now against the best, that no matchup is too tough for Jacoby Brissette. The man they someone once called fantasy poison is actually fantasy Superman and a must start quarterback that's going to lead you to a fantasy.

[Jamie]

Championship. You know, I, I, I don't want to say this, but the, the irony of all this will be is that he'll have another great game against Atlanta and then he'll poop the bed against the Bengals in the championship.

[Adam Mazer]

Game. You know, I think this was a couple years ago when I called them fantasy poison. What I meant was poison for your.

[Heath Cummings]

Opponents. Yeah, you really like.

[Jamie]

Stories.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah. Dave, your winners are Tyrone Tracy Jr. Who was only started in 18% of leagues and had a great game with two touchdowns and 97 total yards against Washington and he dominated the carries. And C.J. stroud scored 29 fantasy points against.

[Dave]

Arizona. I think Stroud could be a fantasy starter if Woody Marks is hurt and the Texans run game is a huge question mark moving forward. I thought he, I mean they played Arizona, so obviously super easy matchup, but Nico looked like a megastar. Dalton Schultz had the type of game that we've been kind of hoping for for a long time. They've got the Raiders next Chargers after that. I, I think if you lost Mahomes and you saw Stroud on your waiver wire, you'd feel really good about having him. And if Stroud your backup quarterback or your number two qb, you're going to love having him too. Tyrone Tracy was dominating the playing time 76% of the snaps. 9 of 12 snaps on third down. Still not getting anywhere near the goal line. But who needs the goal line when you're getting 15 carries, three catches totaling almost 100 yards, couple of touchdowns. It's a terrible, I mean it's an easy matchup. It's the commanders, their defense is terrible. They've got Minnesota next Raiders in week 17. You're going to love starting Tyrone Tracy in at least one of those games, maybe even both of those.

[Jamie]

Games. All.

[Adam Mazer]

Right. And Jamie, your winners are. Jalen Hurts bounced back nicely and scored 28.9 fantasy points. And DeAndre Swift, who was awesome. 18 carries, 98 yards, two touchdowns, one catch for negative two yards against Cleveland. Hertz and Swift, obviously two.

[Jamie]

Guys. We had a lot of questions about going into the fantasy playoffs. It was great to see Hertz bounce back and you know, look like the guy that we were hoping to see all season. And very good matchup in week 16. So you're going to be happy about that. And in the case of DeAndre Swift, I mean you think about this packers defense now losing Michael Parsons and how that matchup may go just from a defensive standpoint. They looked a little shell shocked after that injury there. But Swift, you know, kind of, you know, pushing Kyle Manangai to the side was, I think, a good confidence boost for his value. So, you know, two guys that I think you, if you advance with, you got to be excited to start them in week.

[Adam Mazer]

16. How did that go for them, Dave? Did they share? Did they split.

[Jamie]

Series? They.

[Dave]

Did. I don't know if they split series, but I've got the totals from the game. It's 55% for Swift. Managai had 44% of the snaps. 10 of 13 on third down, 4 of 7 inside the.

[Adam Mazer]

10. Yeah, I mean, Swift's just been better. Not that Manangai has been bad or anything, but Swift's just been better.

[Heath Cummings]

Today. Manangai.

[Adam Mazer]

Was. Yeah, typically he's pretty good. All right. And then we go to the losers. Jamies were Diggs and Burrow. We talked about them. Dave was Ken Walker, and you were right about him. I. I thought maybe he'd have a good game here. Colts have been struggling against the run. Walker was horrible. Nine carries, 17 yards, one catch for two yards. And Isaiah likely did not get a target. So go ahead, Dave. Ken Walker and Isaiah.

[Dave]

Likely. I'm, like angry over both of these. Walker Just again, 1.9 yards per carry looked absolutely awful. Charbonnet led the way in snaps, had plenty of high value.

[Jamie]

Touches. I.

[Dave]

Don'T. I don't know what's happening with Ken Walker or why any human being would be optimistic about starting him in fantasy. It's a short week against the Rams. Rams allowed a touchdown to David Montgomery. Jameer Gibbs was held in check. I'm definitely not interested in starting Kenneth Walker anytime soon. And we kind of touched on what happened with Isaiah Likely. The fact that the. The Ravens barely had the ball. I think he played like 15 of 35 snaps. Something low and not even a single damn target. It's almost as if the Ravens prepared all week for this game and had absolutely no freaking clue how bad the Bengal. Like, what did they do? What did they do all week where they couldn't recognize what we see and what the rest of the universe.

[Adam Mazer]

Sees? Bro, they won 24.

[Dave]

Nothing. The Bengals, they stink against covering tight ends. And they didn't. Did they run the ball really well or is it just the Bengals offense just giving them all kinds of.

[Heath Cummings]

Opportunity? They averaged 7.9 yards per.

[Dave]

Carry. Yeah, okay, so they ran the ball really well. And I guess when you do that, you don't have to throw that much. Mark Andrews didn't have a big game either. And you said it Adam. 12 pass attempts for Lamar Jackson. He was kind of a bum as well for fantasy. Good for the Ravens. But yeah, man, everybody's gonna go and drop Isaiah likely. Which means next week two touchdowns. Isaiah likely. Bank on.

[Heath Cummings]

It. Did you see how many plays the Ravens.

[Dave]

Ran? Yeah. Yes, we've. We've mentioned.

[Heath Cummings]

That.

[Jamie]

40.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah. Like it wasn't a. Like I, I guess Isaiah likely should have had one or two targets based on the target percentage we were expecting. But it was just like they ran 40 plays and threw 12.

[Adam Mazer]

Passes. I think if you angles had.

[Jamie]

The ball all day, just couldn't do anything with.

[Adam Mazer]

It. If you had Lamar Jackson, right. He scored something like 18 and a half fantasy points and six point for passing touchdown leagues. I. I understand you're frustrated, but he had a 114.6 passer rating and he ran two times for 26.

[Heath Cummings]

Yards. So I don't think you should had a drop.

[Adam Mazer]

Touchdown.

[Heath Cummings]

Yes. Probably should have been.

[Adam Mazer]

Perfect. Yeah, I don't think you should go. I have to sit Lamar Jackson next week. You know, I think they have New England which is not easy, but he's not. But he again, I think he pro. I didn't watch much any. Most any of this game basically. But he probably played pretty well. Heath, your losers were Breece Hall. We were not feeling it with Breeze Hall. He was worse than expected though. And he was pretty much splitting with Isaiah Davis too evenly throughout the game. And Quintean Judkins, who I think was even worse than Breece Hall. They had very similar stat lines. They were both.

[Heath Cummings]

Awful. Absolutely atrocious league losers I think was the best way to talk about these two RB2s. They're like.

[Adam Mazer]

RB7s.

[Heath Cummings]

Hall. It's more discouraging the fact that Isaiah Davis had such a high percentage of the touches and was better with them because you can have no hope that that will change next week. And Judkins, like both the two guys that we thought he might share with both out the two guys who've been stealing all the passing game work well, no wonder they don't throw to Quinch on Judkins. Yeah, they threw it to him four times and it turned in like six.

[Jamie]

Yards.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah. And they have another offensive line.

[Heath Cummings]

And also I think like just to put Judkins in context and I think Shador as well and Fannin's efficiency. Their offensive line was just a joke of an offensive line today. It was.

[Jamie]

Atrocious. Well, I mean, it helps when you're not. It helped last week that they're playing the Titans.

[Heath Cummings]

Like.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah. Well, they get the Bills next.

[Dave]

Week.

[Adam Mazer]

Right. And that's been a great run matchup. The jets have the Saints next week on the road, so you don't have to worry about weather. So are we thinking we're going to be back to trusting Judkins and. And.

[Jamie]

Hall? I. Again, hard to say trust. And if you advance with those guys. So let's just say Woody Marks is out and Chubb is out. You're going to go with Jordan over those guys? Probably not against the.

[Adam Mazer]

Raiders. Jamie, just. I don't know if you heard me say it earlier if you saw this, but they. Dimika Ryan said that Woody Marks could have come back.

[Jamie]

In. Okay. But he's, he's in the blue 10 every week. You know, someone knows how, how this, you know, continues, but sure. Okay, so. So take that scenario. I. I don't know, I'm trying to think of like a running back scenario.

[Heath Cummings]

Here. Well, if you have Ken Walker and Bruce. I mean the thing is, I think if you have Ken Walker and Brie Solar, Ken Walker and Rome or and Quinch on Judkins, you're probably not playing.

[Jamie]

It.

[Dave]

Yeah. You're probably not even watching this.

[Jamie]

Video. Well, I, I mean, I'll give you, I'll give you a scenario. I don't know how this Pittsburgh game is going to unfold. I have a buy in our podcast league and two of my three players that I play at running back and flex are Breece hall and Jalen Warren. And I don't know what split's going to be like with the Steelers and I don't have enough players in the 14 team league to sit Breeze hall.

[Adam Mazer]

Like. Yeah, well, Breeze hall has been very mashup dependent, so be nice if they get to Rod Taylor or Fields back next week. But they've got a much better matchup this week than they next week than they had this week. And I guess if TJ Edwards plays, do not start running back in Chicago Bears. All right, Those are your winners and losers and what.

[Jamie]

Happened? Just tell us.

[Heath Cummings]

Javante. Javante.

[Adam Mazer]

Williams. Some goal line work. Nothing really major here, I think, I think one thing that was cool was Kyron Williams. You know, he'd been sort of splitting at the goal line depending on whose series it was. It was Kyron. Was Blake Corn, whatever Blake Corum had a carry from. I think the 4 yard line got down to the 1. Not cool. If you're a core manager. Then Kyron came in and he scored from the one yard line. So that was good usage for Kyron Williams. Although they both, they both ran wild against the best, arguably the best run defense or the team that gave up the fewest fantasy points to running backs. Almost touchdowns. We had Brian Thomas Jr. Dropping a touchdown. Zay Flowers, Dallas Goddard, he had two touchdowns today. He could have had three. Darius Slayton dropped a touchdown. I didn't think it was the greatest throw. My Giants fans, friends disagreed. Jerry Judy nearly caught a touchdown, but he ended up batting it to the defender for an interception. Ted Rolla McMillan kind of almost had an almost touchdown. I don't even remember the play now. He got targeted near the end zone. The throw was a little behind him. Matthew Stafford missed Terence Ferguson for an easy touchdown. Troy Franklin nearly had a touchdown. And then little Jordan Humphrey caught a touchdown on the next player two plays after Josh Jacobs. Great game for him. He had a touchdown run called back. He could have had a third. That was on an illegal shift.

[Jamie]

Penalty. And tell me, sorry.

[Adam Mazer]

Jacobs. I did. I sat Kyron for Jacobs. So probably pretty much a wash. Also Woody Marks. Woody Marks?

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah. There's no T in little.

[Adam Mazer]

Jordan. Did I say a.

[Heath Cummings]

T? He said little.

[Adam Mazer]

Jordan. He was big Jordan today. He was great. And Cincinnati wide receiver Mitchell Tinsley dropped a touchdown. And then Joe Burrow threw an interception one or two plays.

[Jamie]

Later. Colby Parkinson's first touchdown should not have been a.

[Adam Mazer]

Touchdown. No, I actually think they got it right. I think he was juggling it and didn't have control until he got in the end.

[Heath Cummings]

Zone. Where does that rank on your least popular opinions expressed.

[Adam Mazer]

Today? At least I would say I'd like to see it again because I, I think they may have gotten it right. I should say that. All right, so I think we'll talk about this on Tuesday or Wednesday, but I put out a tweet that said Romo Dunes A. We got the, we got the notification that he was not going to play at like 1255 or 1257. And I said that commissioners should allow the guy who stood the manager in the league who started odunze to replace him. And it was not a well received tweet. But we'll talk about that some other.

[Jamie]

Time. No, I did the same.

[Adam Mazer]

Thing. You agree with.

[Jamie]

Me. Yes, but we are apparently the only site that locks at.

[Adam Mazer]

1255. Yeah, yeah, I think it's before kickoff and someone says, please, like take a Dunes A out for.

[Heath Cummings]

Me. Oh, if it's before kickoff. Yes. I think your tweet was after.

[Adam Mazer]

Kickoff. No, my tweet was before kickoff. Okay, Because I typed it right.

[Heath Cummings]

After. People probably saw it after.

[Adam Mazer]

Kickoff. Yeah, they.

[Jamie]

Did. I love these Dan. These shots at Dan. Dan has a strong take on the marks play even though he didn't.

[Adam Mazer]

Say, oh man. All right, everybody, we'll be right back after this to talk about all the.

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[Adam Mazer]

With Indeed. Yeah, we'll start with Houston 40 and Arizona 20. Trey McBride, fantasy MVP. But Heath, anything else from.

[Heath Cummings]

This game? Well, is it time yet to where I can do some of the Believe it or not.

[Adam Mazer]

For 2026? I don't.

[Heath Cummings]

Think so. You don't think.

[Adam Mazer]

It is? No, I don't.

[Heath Cummings]

Think so. That's gonna be difficult then. Jacoby Brissette is the waiver wire ad of.

[Jamie]

The year. Stafford was.

[Dave]

Not drafted. Right? Like that's the guy standing in.

[Jamie]

His way. But I think if you're just taking the sample size of when Brissette took over versus Stafford as good as Stafford has been, Brissette has probably been better. Yeah. So I think what I'm going to do is because I write the those award stories at the end of the year, I think I'm just going to make it a 2QB super flex thing and just put them.

[Adam Mazer]

Both in. Nice, nice. Cop out if you have any other tough choices. Be like I'm just going to keep.

[Dave]

Adding flexes triple.

[Jamie]

Super flexible. I mean for you, Adam, to call McBride the fantasy MVP, it's got to be a tight end.

[Adam Mazer]

Premium league. I don't think so because he, he's been probably better than any wide receiver since Jacoby Brissette has taken over. I'm pretty sure.

[Dave]

Oh yeah. At one point he was like the sixth best running back in fantasy. Something like that. Something absolutely crazy. We could look it up now too but it's probably more apropos to do it on Tuesday after all the games have.

[Adam Mazer]

Been played. No.

[Dave]

It'S open. He's averaging almost 20 PPR points.

[Adam Mazer]

Per game. It's open for debate who the MVP is. The stretch though beginning with Brissette starting is legendary right now for Trey McBride, Dalton, Schultz, you guys gonna trust him next week? Las Vegas, they gave up the touchdowns to Goddard but they've typically been pretty good against tight ends. And what do you think about Schultz, Jamie.

[Jamie]

Next week? I mean it's hard to get away from what he's done the majority of his run here. Two bad games in his last, now seven. So five of those games he's been 11 or more PPR points. Like he's at worst a low end starter. He's at best a top five guy. So I think if you have him on your team.

[Adam Mazer]

You'Re starting. I think people who aren't running back hell next week, Dave are going to really consider Michael Carter. He had 18 touches. They're playing the Falcons. It not going to be an easy call. But what do you think.

[Dave]

Right now it's, it's not a bad call. Assuming that. Right. Or Knight. Excuse me is is done D. Mercado probably going to hang in that passing downs role. I think that's what he basically did today and it's, it's play out the string time for Arizona by the way. Like I, I know that he talked about Jacoby Brissette and he's undeniable and all that stuff. His, his two touchdowns came starting when the Texans were up 30 to 7. So a little bit of a garbage time king which we will take happily in fantasy football, especially for a team like the Cardinals that's going to be dealing with garbage time pretty much every single week. But that's why, like, we're going to go back and look at the numbers for the Texans at the end of the year and they'll be even better than what we actually see because they allowed so many points in garbage time in games.

[Jamie]

Including today. But they typically don't though, because their offense usually doesn't run away from teams. So, like, as good as their defense was against Mahomes and against Allen, like, those games were close.

[Dave]

Sure. Yeah. But today wasn't. And there was garbage time to.

[Jamie]

Be had. But this is just a rare situation like Baker's when he has a good game.

[Dave]

Against them. I'll tell you what, I. I think there's going to be a lot of garbage time next week, except I don't think the Raiders will take advantage. Like.

[Jamie]

The car. Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Mazer]

All right. Buffalo 35, New England 31. What a game. Josh Allen just got in the zone. Heath.

[Heath Cummings]

Anything here. You know, I think Ramandre Stevenson is still a good flex. Even as excited as we are about.

[Dave]

Trayvon Henderson. I. I might believe that in a non PPR league and it's a little bit easier to buy into because of all the injuries at running back and all. It's. The position is kind of a hellscape.

[Heath Cummings]

Right now. Like I might, I might like starting Ramondre over.

[Dave]

Ken Walker. Yeah, I think I might too. Yeah, I mean that. But that's where we are with Walker. Jamie, you talk about this all the time, how you don't like to look at snapshare because it, it can lie to you. A player can play a lot and it doesn't mean that they're going to get a lot of work. Ramadre played 67 of the snaps today to Travion's 49. They were on the field a ton together. It was clear in the first half anyway that the game plan for the Patriots was to run the ball a lot. They did not do much of that in the second half. Ramadre played all the third down snaps. So that's still a role that Treveon's not getting. But at least Trevion played inside the 10. I. Everybody's going to race to.

[Jamie]

Start Travion. I.

[Dave]

Get it. Ramadre is still going to play a decent amount. I don't hate him as a flex, I guess is where I'm coming out.

[Jamie]

On this. I think just from like what he is saying. We just got through saying Judkins. Hard to trust Brisol Hard to trust. Ken Walker. Hard to trust. We'll evaluate everything going into this week because some of the matchups and how they sort of shake out. We'll see what's happening in tonight's game with Minnesota and, you know, Monday night's game with the Steelers. But like Stevenson, there was a stretch where you were and I think, you know, we talked about this this week. Like, could you start both Steelers running backs as low end number two.

[Adam Mazer]

Running backs? We.

[Dave]

Lost you. Is that his mic that went.

[Adam Mazer]

Out or. Yeah, we lost Jamie a little.

[Dave]

Bit there. Jamie, your mic went.

[Jamie]

Out, bud. Can you hear me.

[Adam Mazer]

Or no? Yeah, but.

[Dave]

You'Re quiet. You're 100.

[Jamie]

Miles away. I don't know.

[Adam Mazer]

What happened.

[Jamie]

You're good. You're back. Back. The, the, the matchup next week against Baltimore. You can run on the Ravens. We saw that with Samajp running and Chase Brown. They had the ball a lot. But I, I could see Stevenson as a low end number two running back this week, given.

[Adam Mazer]

The situation. Let's. A couple more questions about this game. How confident, Heath, how confident are you that Travian? Because we've been fooled before, right? Against the Bengals, he had 18 carries. Next week, he's basically even with Ramandre. How confident are you that Trayvon Henderson is going to have 2/3 of the running back carries.

[Heath Cummings]

Next week? 0%. I do not think that's. That's why I just said I think Ramondre is a good flex. I, I would expect it to be relatively close in terms of the total number of touches these two running backs have. It's just that Travion can average six yards of carry and Reminder averages three and a half. So one of them's an RB2 and the other one's.

[Adam Mazer]

A flex. Last thing here, guys. Bills are at Cleveland next week. Are you going to downgrade Dalton Kincaid? Because Dawson Knox has been a thorn in his side for two weeks in a row. Dawson Knox had 17.3 fantasy points last week against Cincinnati, but today he caught two touchdowns. Jamie, is you. Is that. Is that bothering you? Adult.

[Jamie]

And Kincaid. The Bills just have no consistent pass catchers right now. So I think whoever's open, Josh Allen is finding them. So Kincaid will be in that low end starting range. Look, it's. It's a Browns defense. You wonder where they're at now that Miles Garrett got his sack record. Like they looked bad last week against the Titans. I don't know. I think you just sort of say if Dalton Kincaid is my starting tight end. I don't know if I'm going to the waiver wire to replace him with Colby Parkinson.

[Adam Mazer]

For example. Yeah, all right, I.

[Dave]

Might next. I don't know how much passing the Bills are going to have.

[Jamie]

To do. Yeah, I know. And I say that there. They may have not have devonte Adams in and they're playing Seattle, which usually stinks against that end. So that's probably a bad comparison. But he'll be a.

[Dave]

Lone star. Yo, Johnson might be on. That's a bad example, too. He's already rostered in too many leagues. We'll find some other tight ends as we.

[Jamie]

Move along.

[Adam Mazer]

All right. Baltimore 24 and.

[Heath Cummings]

Cincinnati zip. You tried to steal this one, but you didn't quite do it. Go right back to Lamar Jackson is a top eight quarterback.

[Adam Mazer]

Next week against.

[Jamie]

The.

[Dave]

Patriots. Yes. Top eight. Yes. Top.

[Adam Mazer]

Five? No. Okay, on the other side of the ball, what do you make of the Dave, what do you make of the Chase Brown Samaj P. Ryan split? Chase Brown did have seven catches for 37 yards, so he ended up with a good PPR game. But he actually had one fewer carry than P. Ryan. 13 for Brown, 14 per P. Ryan. It wasn't really a garbage time.

[Dave]

Thing either. Did P. Ryan finish.

[Adam Mazer]

The game? Oh, I.

[Jamie]

Don'T know. Yes, he did come.

[Dave]

Back in. Okay, so if he's back and it's still going to be a split list, it was basically a 6040 split today with P. Ryan working a slight advantage on third downs, Chase Brown working inside the 10. Cincinnati's got a lot to fix on offense, so I'm, I'm gonna be okay with Chase Brown as a number two running back. Ever since Samaj P. Ryan's come back, it's been hard to like fully trust Chase Brown. Before this week. It was, it was easy to do it. Now it might be a little bit harder just because we've seen a game where P. Ryan's playing so much also. And I can double check this. What did it look like in the fourth quarter? Because when the Bengals are in hurry up mode, I think that's more P. Ryan anyway. And that could be why P. Ryan had so many more, had so many more carries than we're used.

[Adam Mazer]

To see. The carries in the fourth quarter were not. I mean, the playing time may have been, but it wasn't like they were getting blown out and he had five carries at the end. It wasn't like that. They both were playing, you know, deep into the.

[Dave]

Fourth quarter. He Ryan had seven fourth quarter carries for 12 yards. Brown had four.

[Adam Mazer]

For 16. That's still.

[Dave]

Pretty even. I think it did play into it.

[Adam Mazer]

But that's. But okay, fine. Then in the first three quarters he had two more carries than P. Ryan. You know, it's still pretty close. All right, moving on. Next game, Chargers 16 and the Chiefs 12. Chiefs didn't really have the ball for that long. 25 minutes and 18 seconds. Bad game for Herbert. 12 fantasy points. Bad game from a homes. 12.5 fantasy points and obviously the torn ACL. Heath, what do.

[Heath Cummings]

We got? The playoff bound Los Angeles Chargers do not have one single player on their team who should be ranked as a starter in.

[Dave]

Week 16. Double checking who they play. They've got.

[Adam Mazer]

The Cowboys. Is.

[Dave]

That making. That's gonna be tough. But their, their offensive line is horrendous. Like it. It was a second that Herbert would hold the ball and the Chiefs were like right on them. And I think that offensive line is so bad that even the Cowboys can get some serious pressure on them. So I'm, I'm kind of leaning towards you, Heath. I. I feel like it's going to be. I think it's going to be tough to trust any Chargers player next week or the.

[Adam Mazer]

Weekend. Yes.

[Jamie]

Sorry. Javante.

[Adam Mazer]

What happened? Javante Williams has a shoulder injury. Not my week. So we'll see. He might come back. Sorry, we shouldn't do that in the Sunday night show. Anyway. Yeah, Heath, it's a great point. It's like, you know, you think you're gonna rank. You guys think you're gonna rank Hampton in your.

[Dave]

Top 24. I didn't.

[Heath Cummings]

This.

[Jamie]

Week. Nope. I didn't this week either. I think, you know, looking at how again we'll see how Dallas's game finishes out. But their run defense, aside from the Lions game since acquiring Quinn and Williams and Logan Wilson has been amazing. Epsom, it's tough to say that Hampton is going to be trustworthy. I do think that, you know, you look at potentially still McConkey. I know it's not coming off a good game, but Dallas has just been so bad against wide receivers and, and potentially still Gaston too. Like he had a solid.

[Dave]

Game. Yeah. Gas and made.

[Jamie]

Some.

[Dave]

Catches. The. The snap flip that we thought we were going to get between Hampton and Vidal didn't happen. By the way, it was still 63 for Vidal. Dominated the high value touches. Hampton 37% and Hampton had a big run that saved his.

[Adam Mazer]

Rushing average. All right. We talked about the Chiefs earlier on in the show with Gardner Minshew. Although it's worth noting that Kareem hunt only had six carries, and Isaiah Pacheco had 11, and they both are averaged about two yards.

[Dave]

Per carry. And Philadelphia, Ken.

[Adam Mazer]

Walker.

[Dave]

Esque. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Two yards. The. The. The. The play I thought that ended the game for the Chiefs was. I don't understand why you're throwing to Cream Han on.

[Adam Mazer]

That play. Oh.

[Jamie]

The interception.

[Adam Mazer]

Yeah. Yeah. Philadelphia 31, Las Vegas.

[Heath Cummings]

0. Yuck. The Las Vegas Raiders, with their two top 24 picks, do not have one single player that you should start in Week 16 against the.

[Dave]

Houston Texans. So we're sitting Barack Bowers. It's the. That's the only one I. I can get away from. Genty. I. I say that knowing that, like, running backs don't grow on trees, you might.

[Heath Cummings]

Be right. But we've now gotten away from.

[Adam Mazer]

Genti.

[Dave]

Judkins. Right? Ken Walker, the running backs, but not Ramandre Stevenson. This is bizarro world. I'm gonna definitely start Brock Bowers next week, so. I don't.

[Adam Mazer]

Believe it. I. I would love to know the record for total yards in a game, fewest total yards, because they had 75 total yards in this game. That's like, my goodness.

[Jamie]

It's insane. Good thing they fired Chip Kelly. It was really all.

[Adam Mazer]

His.

[Jamie]

Fault. Amazing. You did. You did call them.

[Adam Mazer]

Barack Bowers. You did say Barack Bowers. It was.

[Dave]

Pretty funny. Yeah.

[Jamie]

I did. You said we're really sitting.

[Dave]

Barack.

[Jamie]

Bowers. Yeah. You sound like Paul.

[Adam Mazer]

Heyman there. I don't know who's.

[Dave]

Paul Heyman? You don't know who Paul.

[Adam Mazer]

Heyman is? Is he another person who looks like me.

[Dave]

Or something? No, he looks. You will be happy that.

[Adam Mazer]

He does not look like you, but.

[Dave]

You would wish that you were as smart as him or.

[Adam Mazer]

As clever.

[Dave]

I know. You're.

[Adam Mazer]

Pretty clever. I know who he is. On the eagle side of the ball. On the eagle side of the ball. Eddie. Eddie. Takeaways. JB had. Got her. Got her. With 17 targets in his last two games, and we saw a stretch like this in weeks five and six. He had 20 targets, and then he had six in the next two games combined. So are you getting to the point where you feel like you can trust Dallas Goddard at Washington.

[Jamie]

Next week? Absolutely. Matchup is fantastic. You know. So your question previously about Dalton Kincaid. I'd rather start Goddard over. Kincaid. You know, anybody picked up Isaiah likely in advance, you're gonna, you know, start Dallas Goddard if he's available on waivers because people dropped him or if he's on your bench and you made that decision. So that's now two solid Games, like you said earlier the season, it was great, you know, stretch run for him so he could easily disappoint you, but that's the position. So I don't think I'm gonna get to the point where I'm starting Barack Bowers. Dallas got it over Brock Bowers, but I'll. It's gonna.

[Adam Mazer]

Be close. Okay? And unfortunately, Devontae, look, they barely threw the ball in this game and there has not been a single. There's been one game, one game all year where Brown, Smith and Goddard all had double digit PPR fantasy points. It's almost certainly not going to happen and it did not happen today because Smith had.

[Jamie]

Only two. Next week could be amazing for them. Should be amazing.

[Adam Mazer]

For them. You hope. 15 pass attempts for Jalen hurts 12 for Lamar Jackson. That's just kind of strange. All right, to the next game. Washington 29.

[Heath Cummings]

Giants 21. Bill.

[Adam Mazer]

Is back. Great game. 18 carries, 96 yards and.

[Dave]

A touchdown. Not against Philadelphia he's not. Not if Chris Rodriguez comes back. Well, although a game like this, especially in a commander's win, might give him a little bit more run.

[Heath Cummings]

At this stage of the season. If you're the commanders, why wouldn't you play.

[Jamie]

The kid? Oh, I think there's, there's reason to be optimistic about, you know, Jacori Crosky, Merit. But you're gonna do that against the Eagles in your.

[Heath Cummings]

Fantasy semifinals? Well, I've got him and.

[Dave]

Ken Walker. If Rodriguez plays out, I'm.

[Adam Mazer]

I'm ready. This is not the first time we've seen Jechore cross gamer it as a feature back. He was so bad. But this is the single they. I saw a graphic on this on the, on the game today. The Giants are currently the second worst run defense in terms of yards per carry in. I don't know if it's NFL history or 40 or 50 years, but they're almost historically bad and they probably got even worse today per carry. So it is the best matchup in the world ever. Or maybe.

[Jamie]

Second best. Well, so you got to be hopeful for Jones or Mason.

[Adam Mazer]

Next week. Yeah. Oh.

[Jamie]

For sure. So much for Crosby Merit. Especially if Jalen Carter plays for.

[Adam Mazer]

The Eagles. Yeah, you got like the.

[Jamie]

Last time Crosby Merritt did this was against the Chargers. Was it.

[Adam Mazer]

Week six? I don't.

[Dave]

Remember it. It feels like a year.

[Jamie]

Ago, but. And then he did nothing for.

[Adam Mazer]

Two months. Yeah. Okay, so it's a good question, Heath. I.

[Heath Cummings]

Mean, thanks. That's what I was.

[Adam Mazer]

Going for. He always looks good. He looks good when he gets Going anyway, I'll.

[Jamie]

Say this. If, if Bam. Knights out. I'd rather have Michael Carter.

[Adam Mazer]

Over both Terry McLaurin. Only four targets, but three catches, 69 yards and a touchdown as he pretty much always owns the Giants. We talked about Tracy Wandale caught a late touchdown. Be honest with you. I really did not. I did not think Jackson dart played all that well. And it's going to be tough for me to trust the Giants passing game next week against the Vikings. I don't know how you guys feel.

[Jamie]

About that. He's a different animal just because of what he'll still do with his legs. But trust no low end starter.

[Adam Mazer]

At best. Yeah, I mean, scored 25.3 points. It was a good game.

[Jamie]

For a good day for him. Yeah, he's only had one bad fantasy game which was last, last, last game for him.

[Adam Mazer]

Week 13. All right, moving on to Chicago, 31.

[Heath Cummings]

Cleveland 3. I'm sorry, did we skip.

[Adam Mazer]

The Giants? No, we just talked about them. You want.

[Dave]

To see? You talked about Bill.

[Adam Mazer]

Is back. Yeah, but I said okay.

[Dave]

And then you might have.

[Heath Cummings]

Blacked out. I thought you thought you were going to talk a little bit about Theo Johnson and Wandale Robinson being a top 10 wide receiver on the season. Is he really wide receiver? 9 in total.

[Adam Mazer]

Fantasy points. That. Wow. That's a candidate for waiver wire pickup of.

[Jamie]

The year. Jamie.

[Adam Mazer]

Wando. Yeah. Yeah. How about that?

[Heath Cummings]

He's so. He'll be, he'll be. He'll be the.

[Adam Mazer]

Third Flex. I.

[Jamie]

Love him. He's definitely behind.

[Adam Mazer]

Michael Wilson.

[Jamie]

Is.

[Dave]

He?

[Adam Mazer]

Yes. Really? I.

[Jamie]

Get it. Wilson's Michael.

[Adam Mazer]

Wilson's Superman. But only for.

[Jamie]

Four games. Wanda was like the, the, the, the, the super dog. Like, you know, he's good.

[Adam Mazer]

But yeah. All right, Cleveland and Chicago here. Chicago with the blowout win.

[Jamie]

31 3. Wanda's like green Lantern. Like he's, you.

[Adam Mazer]

Know, fine. I know nothing about.

[Heath Cummings]

Green Lantern. Jerry Judy is the worst football player in.

[Dave]

The NFL. Oh.

[Heath Cummings]

My gosh. I've never seen a player get as many opportunities as he's had. He completely destroyed Joe Flacco's start to the season. Just drop after drop after drop. Now he's trying to ruin Shador Sanders future. It just a disgusting season with all types.

[Adam Mazer]

Of opportunities. Cheetz, you didn't start him today, did.

[Heath Cummings]

You? No. Okay, that.

[Dave]

Is over. And you didn't even come out with anything.

[Jamie]

On Fanon. That's such a great comment. In the chat what Dan would say Green Lantern is better.

[Heath Cummings]

Than Rocky. I'm just like, did everybody.

[Adam Mazer]

Answer the Believe it or not, I.

[Dave]

I don't think you.

[Heath Cummings]

Gave one. Yes. Jerry Judy is the worst football player in.

[Dave]

The NFL. I don't.

[Adam Mazer]

Believe it. Yeah, I think that's probably a.

[Dave]

Stretch, but. And I saw max Brosmer play.

[Adam Mazer]

Four quarters. What do you think about Harold Fannin? 14 targets, seven catches for 48 yards on 14 targets on 35.

[Heath Cummings]

Pass attempts. It must start.

[Adam Mazer]

Tight end. Is he a non PPR against Buffalo though? We got Buffalo.

[Heath Cummings]

Next week. Buffalo is going to be tough. But I. I mean, as Jamie was just saying, and I mostly agree, I'm probably not finding a streamer to start over Dalton Concate. I'm certainly not finding a streamer to start over Harold Fanon. And I'm not starting Dalton Concate over here at the end in the.

[Jamie]

Same game. I would try to sit Fanning.

[Dave]

Next week. The less catches count for, the more I'm interested in sitting Fanon. Sit Fanon on.

[Adam Mazer]

His fanny. Okay. Caleb Williams with 22.3 fantasies. DJ Moore, that was cool, but Luther Burden actually was not cool at all. Well, Luther Burden led the team.

[Heath Cummings]

In receiving. Like, what in the world is cool about DJ Moore doing that in week one of the fantasy playoffs? After last week when absolutely nobody started him, like, all it was was terrible. It just made.

[Adam Mazer]

People angry. Something happened to Heath with this game. Really set.

[Dave]

Him off. Well.

[Adam Mazer]

Sure.

[Dave]

His. His. One of his loves from this year had a bad game and.

[Adam Mazer]

His love. He didn't have a.

[Heath Cummings]

Bad game. He.

[Adam Mazer]

Had earlier.

[Heath Cummings]

Oh, Jerry. Judy. I was gonna say Harold Fannin was a.

[Dave]

Good game. Plus, he kind of gets a pass for everything because of what happened to the.

[Jamie]

Chiefs today. That. That first throw, Adam, it should be your. The first touchdown pass to DJ Moore. Should be your example of why you love.

[Adam Mazer]

Caleb Williams. I was actually gonna tweet that. That, like.

[Jamie]

That was. That.

[Dave]

Was.

[Adam Mazer]

Insane. Yeah. That's why I say he has the best arm in football. You talk about the one where he rolled to his right and through the back of the end zone like.

[Jamie]

30 yards. Yeah. Yeah.

[Heath Cummings]

It's amazing. I think Jerry Judy's closer to the worst player in football than Caleb Williams is to the best arm.

[Adam Mazer]

In football. Really? I. I strongly believe that he is absolutely in the discussion. I. I think very few quarterbacks can make that throw. He fires that ball in there. Yeah. I don't know. So starters at Caleb Williams next week against.

[Jamie]

Green Bay. I don't want to know. Michael Parsons, he was decent against them the first game. 18.

[Dave]

Fantasy points.

[Jamie]

That's true. He's a.

[Dave]

Low end. Starter him.

[Jamie]

Or dart? Let's see how this game finishes tonight. I might go Caleb, though. I mean, Bo Nicks just threw for four touchdowns against this.

[Dave]

Packers defense. That's a.

[Adam Mazer]

Good point. Fired up for that game on Saturday. That's gonna be awesome. Jacksonville 48.

[Jamie]

Jets 20. Great call, Dave, on Trevor. Yeah, I think we all. I think we all liked him, but you were very bullish.

[Dave]

About.

[Heath Cummings]

It. Thanks.

[Dave]

Believe it. Believe it or not, you can start him next week. Heath, I'm stealing.

[Heath Cummings]

Your bet. I do not believe.

[Dave]

It. I. This is. I have been burned by this at least two times this year where there's a quarterback that's just playing red hot going into a tough matchup. We all know it's a tough matchup and he lets us down. And so I would. I would totally downgrade expectations at minimum for Trevor Lawrence next week. He's playing great. His receiving core is playing great. Brian Thomas looked pretty good, but I would be. I'd be nervous to trust Lawrence next week against Denver. It's a big game in the.

[Adam Mazer]

Afc too. Yeah. All right.

[Jamie]

Who'S starting? I know they gave up 20 points, but the way the Jaguars defense is playing is fantastic, too. So we could see a low scoring.

[Adam Mazer]

Game there. Who's anyone starting to feel it with? Brian.

[Dave]

Thomas.

[Jamie]

Jr. Yes. Well, it can't, can't get any worse than it was at the start of the season. So this, this was encouraging to me because you had Parker Washington back. Like, I was a little bit concerned that Washington playing will we get a little bit of regression. But I think for two, two things here, one, I don't know how many people still playing have Brian Thomas on their rosters because of where he was drafted in the unfortunate year that he had. But if you did advance and we're talking about starter and three receiver leagues. Yes, two receiver leagues, he's going to be on the cusp. But certainly if you have him in dynasty and keeper leagues like this is what you want to see is a strong finish. And then you could be encouraged by him going into.

[Adam Mazer]

Next season. I will finish that this game with this question here. You go ahead, Dave, give.

[Dave]

Your thoughts. I. I'm just encouraged by the last two weeks from Brian Thomas. I thought he looked great last week. His numbers were better this week. I didn't watch enough of them this week to know just how amazing or average or whatever he was. But I think it's encouraging that he's tied for the team lead.

[Adam Mazer]

In targets. Deacon Shack says Heath. If you were stranded on an island and you could only have Dan, Adam, or Jerry Judy with you. Who are.

[Heath Cummings]

You choosing? So I'm thinking, like, when you're on an island, generally to get your food, you're either going to have to catch prey or you're gonna have to, like, shake the coconut tree and catch the coconuts falling down. And Jerry Judy is going to catch neither of those things because he can't catch anything. So I'll.

[Adam Mazer]

Take cherry. Judy, I thought you were saying you were gonna resort to cannibalism and each one.

[Heath Cummings]

Of us. No, I'm just gonna eat the thing that he.

[Adam Mazer]

Can'T catch. Okay, next game we go.

[Jamie]

To the. The. Can you imagine being stuck on an island.

[Heath Cummings]

With Dan? No, I would just start swimming. Let's see how far I.

[Adam Mazer]

Can swim. Like, I've never been to Hawaii, but I guarantee this island.

[Jamie]

Is better. I'd rather have the volleyball from.

[Adam Mazer]

Castaway. Yeah. Wilson. New Orleans 20.

[Dave]

Carolina.

[Adam Mazer]

17.

[Heath Cummings]

Oh, man. Jalen Coker is the best wide receiver on.

[Jamie]

The.

[Adam Mazer]

Panthers. No, no, but. But what do you think he was today? McMillan. Four targets, six.

[Heath Cummings]

Two games. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Mazer]

That'S true. Yeah. No, I'm glad you brought him up. Coker's emerging a little bit here, but he only had four targets. He had caught all of them Pokemon. Four catches, 58 yards and a touchdown on four targets for him. But McMillan's the story here. I mean, two catches for 25 yards on four targets. Bryce Young only through 24 passes. This is not unusual for.

[Heath Cummings]

Them. Sucks. At least he almost had.

[Adam Mazer]

A touchdown.

[Heath Cummings]

Or almost. Almost.

[Adam Mazer]

A touchdown. Kind of almost sort of had an almost touchdown. But no, I mean, they're not that many fantasy players we can trust. Let's just be real here. But Tedro McMillan is moving away from the circle. Who do they have next week? They have Tampa Bay. Maybe I'll have to throw a little bit more. It's.

[Dave]

Not good. Major game.

[Adam Mazer]

For them. Every single. Beyond the box score. People want to hear about Rico Dowdle. So what are your thoughts on dowdle? He had 16 carries to eight for Chuba Hubbard. He had the goal line touchdown. They both had one catch. David, what do you got with the.

[Dave]

Splits there? I didn't watch a second of the game, But Dowdle played 59% of the snaps. He had their one snap inside the five. It was also their only snap inside the 10. Chuba played 13 of 14 snaps on third down. So I'd venture to say that if you think Tampa builds the lead and Carolina's got to go to hurry up offense, you will See more of Chuba next week than Dowdle based.

[Adam Mazer]

On this. Okay, what else we got for the Saints? We have another. Oh, you know.

[Dave]

What, Devon? Chris Olave caught fire on like the last drive. Two drives for the Saints. His numbers weren't really that great. And then the last two drives, he just like. Tyler Shuck was like, oh, yeah, I got this guy. I think I better throw to him a ton. Fourth quarter, seven targets, five catches, 78 yards and.

[Adam Mazer]

A touchdown. That's almost his.

[Jamie]

Entire.

[Dave]

Production. Wow. Yeah, I know. He had nothing before then, so way to go Saints to like remember that you had this stud receiver on your team with like one quarter.

[Adam Mazer]

To play. All right, next game is Detroit and the Rams. Rams with a big win here.

[Heath Cummings]

And they're the chat and Dan on the island. Is that.

[Jamie]

That one? And then the. The mad scientist one about Dan and.

[Adam Mazer]

Watching Rocky. This one. Could you imagine a live react video of Dan watching Rocky? He would spend the entire movie talking about his grocery list. Wouldn't even see.

[Jamie]

The movie. Johnny Airport.

[Adam Mazer]

Just now. Johnny Airport. Dan drawing all of. Dan drawing all of Wandale's routes in the sand.

[Dave]

That's great.

[Jamie]

All right. Someone says Jalen Coker will definitely be a waiver wire guy because of the matchup coming up against.

[Adam Mazer]

Tampa Bay. Okay, cool. Now to Detroit and the Rams. Fun game here. A lot of fantasy points. Good stuff.

[Jamie]

As well. Malik Davis, by the way, Jameera Gabis.

[Adam Mazer]

Has got. He's kind of alternating good weeks and meh weeks and he has sort of struggled in tough matchups, believe it or not. Bad against the Chiefs, bad against Minnesota, good against the Philadelphia, bad against Green Bay, and bad against the Rams. It's been really weird for him. But what do we have from this.

[Heath Cummings]

Game, Heath? Well, yeah, I think we should start with Matthew Stafford as.

[Jamie]

The mvp. Believe it, he won it.

[Heath Cummings]

Today. He's. I. I think that there's still a small window open because he has to go to Seattle on Thursday and an island game and if that goes awful, maybe it's back open. But yeah, I think. I think he's mostly. We should stop worrying about Dave Montgomery only touching the ball eight times a game because he scores a touchdown every week. So.

[Jamie]

It'S fine. He is the non PPR king. And if you still play in touchdown only leagues, he is the number.

[Dave]

One player. Probably Pittsburgh next week. Doesn't scare me. Lions could rebound from this game and just go off against the Steelers.

[Jamie]

At.

[Dave]

Home. Yeah. Believe it or not, Blake Corum must start fantasy.

[Heath Cummings]

Running back.

[Jamie]

No, no. But he's not far off from Ramandre at this point. I mean, four touchdowns in his last.

[Adam Mazer]

Three games. Yeah, I remember when Puka was going to miss a game. I think it was in London or something. And we were pretty into Tutu Atwell. The idea of Tutu at. Well, anyway, and he had zero catches and we found out he was hurt. I had.

[Dave]

No idea. He has five catches this year. They paid him.

[Jamie]

$10 million. Well, it was, it was a five touchdown game for Matthew Stafford without. And three of those went to.

[Adam Mazer]

Devonte Adams. Yeah, Adams is almost certainly going to miss the game this upcoming week. I think you pretty much just start all your line start, you know, you know what to do with your Lions. And I do think Stafford at Seattle is going to be kind of a tough goal. What do you think? Like Stafford at Seattle or Brissette.

[Jamie]

Against.

[Dave]

Atlanta? Brissette. I'd lean. I think I'm going to lean.

[Jamie]

Brissette probably. Stafford wasn't great against Seattle the first time. That was.

[Dave]

At home. I mean, look at what Seattle just did to another future hall of Fame.

[Jamie]

Quarterback today. They'll get it. They might get in the.

[Dave]

Same year. That was sarcasm for.

[Adam Mazer]

Those listening. Okay. And then Colby Parkinson, you know, look, Seattle's usually really bad against tight ends. They.

[Jamie]

Weren'T today. He's a must add without.

[Adam Mazer]

A doubt. Okay. Denver 34, Green.

[Heath Cummings]

Bay 26. Troy Franklin.

[Jamie]

Is back. Believe it. As long as Pat Brian is.

[Dave]

Out.

[Adam Mazer]

Sure. Yep. Kudos to Bo Nix. He had a.

[Heath Cummings]

Great, great. He played.

[Dave]

Very well. He. Yeah.

[Adam Mazer]

Mostly well. Oh, come on, give him a break. 37 fantasy points, Dave. Four touchdowns against.

[Dave]

The Packers. He was great. No.

[Adam Mazer]

One'S complaining. He's awesome. So we got this RJ Harvey rib injury, man.

[Dave]

This week's. That could be.

[Adam Mazer]

A.

[Dave]

Problem.

[Jamie]

Backs.

[Dave]

Gosh. Yeah. If he's out, that puts even more on Bonix's shoulders and he'll have to throw a lot. You don't have to worry about a low volume game.

[Jamie]

For him. He's back to being great at.

[Dave]

Home again. He.

[Adam Mazer]

Was today. Sutton, all systems go.

[Dave]

Feeling.

[Jamie]

Good.

[Dave]

Yep. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have to worry about him. And honestly, like the, the Jacksonville defense, their front is great, their pass rush is good, their secondary is still the weak point. So if, if the Broncos are just rolling right now with their past game, they're going to lean into it. Sean Payton will lean into it and Bo Nix will have a good game next week against.

[Adam Mazer]

The Jaguars. How are you feeling about Jaden Reed right.

[Dave]

Now, Jamie? I think If I need 10 PPR points. I can start.

[Heath Cummings]

Jaden Reed.

[Dave]

He's.

[Heath Cummings]

Not. Is. Did we get clarification on.

[Adam Mazer]

His injury? He got.

[Heath Cummings]

Hurt, too. He got banged up very late in the game. Went off on the sideline, was holding.

[Dave]

His leg. Well, that would change things. You would.

[Jamie]

Get. Yeah. Then I think you got to look at Don Tavian Wicks, if that's the.

[Adam Mazer]

Case. Yeah. Matthew.

[Heath Cummings]

Golden, too. I mean, maybe he's okay, too. I haven't seen anything golden.

[Jamie]

Look great. Yeah, no, I. I would. I would say.

[Adam Mazer]

Both.

[Dave]

Though.

[Adam Mazer]

Okay. Sure. All right. And Seattle 18. Indianapolis 16. The Seahawks won a game without scoring a touchdown for the fourth time in.

[Dave]

Franchise history. I thought you were about to say the fourth time.

[Heath Cummings]

This year. You can drop all of your Colts.

[Dave]

Pass catchers. I mean, technically, Jonathan Taylor caught three passes today, so I don't believe it for him. But everybody else. Yeah, this. This was an ugly version of an NFL offense, but we've heard of Dink and Dunk. This was.

[Adam Mazer]

This was. We kind of expected them to struggle at Seattle, but you're saying it just looked.

[Jamie]

So bad.

[Dave]

It was. It was.

[Heath Cummings]

Really bad. It was clear. And they did a really good job of it, too. Like their entire focus was, we're not going to let Philip Rivers get hurt. And so the ball got out extremely quick. A lot of dump offs to the running backs. The offensive line was banged up and still did a very good job against this defense. Again, they were just trying to keep.

[Adam Mazer]

Rivers.

[Dave]

Alive. Yeah. Eight of the 18 completions went to.

[Adam Mazer]

Running.

[Jamie]

Backs. It's.

[Dave]

It's just. It's a gross offense. It's going to take some lucky breaks for them to, you know, have a big play and for the receivers to have a big game. I don't feel good starting Tyler Warren. Like this is another tight end that we should put on the.

[Adam Mazer]

Maybe list. Yeah, it's.

[Dave]

A bummer. It is. It's a big.

[Heath Cummings]

Time bummer. I think Warren's definitely behind. I mean, even against the Bills, I'd put him behind Fannin and Kincaid.

[Adam Mazer]

Next week. This is also part of my case for Trey McBride as the fantasy MVP. We're not going to start Tyler Warren anymore, you know, Kittle, of course, but. But we're talking about maybe benching Brock Bowers now. I mean.

[Dave]

Not anymore. Not with all these other. These other tight ends that stink. You're absolutely going.

[Adam Mazer]

To start hours. Anything else in this game? We talked about Ken Walker. I thought.

[Dave]

Sam Darnold. I'll keep riffing on Ken.

[Adam Mazer]

Walker if you want that's okay. I mean, remember when he.

[Dave]

Used to catch three balls.

[Jamie]

A.

[Dave]

Game? That. Those were.

[Adam Mazer]

Good days. I thought Sam Darnold would have a better game. He usually does well in good matchups. He only scored 10.4 points, but, I mean, 271 yards is great, but zero touchdowns. All right, I think we're done here. San Francisco 37.

[Heath Cummings]

Tennessee 24. Tony Pollard's actually a starting.

[Jamie]

Running.

[Dave]

Back. Yeah. You know, maybe he looked.

[Heath Cummings]

Good again. It looked really.

[Jamie]

Really good. I thought, he's gonna stink this week. And he.

[Dave]

Was great. 7.1 yards per carry in the.

[Jamie]

First half. Wow. Titans best receiver is.

[Adam Mazer]

Jeffrey Simmons. They do have the Chiefs next week. That's obviously a tough, tough matchup for. For a running back. But the 49er. Oh, Jefferson. The 49ers pretty good, too, against the run. It's pretty interesting. I mean, we've talked about a lot of crummy.

[Dave]

Running backs. Right. Here's somebody that's getting a lot of work. And last two weeks. Last week it was a little fluky because he had two long runs on defensive breakdowns. I think he had more than two good runs today against the Niners, so he definitely makes.

[Adam Mazer]

The cut.

[Jamie]

All right. San Francisco's offense.

[Adam Mazer]

Look great. I can't believe Ricky Pierce all left.

[Heath Cummings]

That stinks. He left multiple times. He went to blue tent at.

[Dave]

Least twice. Yeah. The second time did not look so good. Limped off.

[Adam Mazer]

The field. Well, he had a great game. Six catches for 96 yards on seven targets. And hopefully he can get back soon. Brock Purdy's at Indianapolis next week. Probably going to be.

[Dave]

Startable again. 44 rushing yards for Purdy. That was a fun.

[Heath Cummings]

Little wrinkle. Oh, and I just want to say, I think I said this earlier in the year, but it. Kyle Shanahan sometimes gets a lot of crap from various corners of the Internet in the football world. I. I think I'd vote for him for coach of the year right now. With the injuries that team had this year, the fact that they're 10.

[Adam Mazer]

And 4. Has.

[Heath Cummings]

It not?

[Dave]

That's incredible. Yeah. Conversation. Mike Varabel's still in.

[Heath Cummings]

The conversation. I think those guys are all in the conversation. I'm just saying, like the guys that Shanahan lost for the amount of time that he lost him. And it'll still be 10.

[Dave]

And 4. Yeah. Well, you know who else is 10.

[Jamie]

And 4? Liam calling, too, in the.

[Dave]

Playoff.

[Jamie]

Hunt.

[Dave]

Harbaugh. Yeah. Think about what Chargers.

[Jamie]

Have overcome. Yeah. I mean, look, you got the. The new guys of Liam Cohen and Ben Johnson, what they've done for their teams. You have Rabel, who, you know, despite the loss today, you know, still has a chance to get the one. What about Sean.

[Adam Mazer]

Payton, too? Yeah.

[Jamie]

Of.

[Dave]

Course.

[Adam Mazer]

Yep. Yeah. I think the 49ers have honestly had one of the easiest schedules. To me, they have two impressive wins, the Rams and the. No, they didn't even beat the Bucks. I mean. Oh, Seattle. Seattle in week.

[Heath Cummings]

One. Yeah. I mean, all they did was beat the Rams and.

[Jamie]

The Seahawks. Yeah, he's definitely in the conversation pretty great. I mean, with losing Purdy. This is only a six game Purdy's played all season. Losing Bosa, losing Warner, the receiver, injuries throughout the season, losing Kittle for four games, like, it's been remarkable.

[Adam Mazer]

Absolutely remarkable. They're. They're pretenders. I'm not buying it with them, the Niners telling you right now.

[Heath Cummings]

I think a lot of times the coach of the year is the coach of a pretender. It's kind of the point. They have a great record with a team that's not actually.

[Adam Mazer]

That good. He hasn't. I mean, he's got two good wins all year. To me, he's Seattle. Here's what the Patriots have. They beat Buffalo and they.

[Jamie]

Beat the Bucks, and they're.

[Adam Mazer]

Still.

[Dave]

Good. Yeah. Kevin o' Connell was the coach of the year.

[Adam Mazer]

Last year. You never want to win coach of.

[Dave]

The year. It's kissing Kevin Stefanski the year before that. Brian Dable the year.

[Adam Mazer]

Before that. I was gonna say, it's kind of made. I think.

[Jamie]

Mike Kafka.

[Adam Mazer]

That's right. Dark.

[Heath Cummings]

Horse candidate. He's doing a. He's doing a nice job getting the number.

[Adam Mazer]

One pick. All right, thanks, everybody. Thanks for watching and listening. We got beyond the box score tomorrow. Waiver wire Tuesday. Have fun on Wednesday. Starts and sits the rest of the week, and hope everything goes well for you for the remainder of week 15. See you later.

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