Week 17 Tough Calls, Christmas Day Start or Sit (12/24 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Fantasy Football Today – Week 17 Tough Calls, Christmas Day Start or Sit (12/24/25)

Main Theme & Purpose

On this Christmas Eve edition, Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamie Eisenberg, and Heath Cummings focus on fantasy manager dilemmas for Week 17, particularly pivotal Start/Sit decisions for championship week. The crew breaks down quarterback, running back, and wide receiver tough calls, previews key Christmas games, reacts to the latest injury news, and answers rapid-fire listener questions. The tone is lively and debate-driven, mixing hard stats, matchup analysis, and playful banter to help fantasy footballers win their titles.

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Episode Structure

• [02:21] Show intro & celebratory mood for the holidays
• [04:47] Quick news & injury updates
• [08:57] Tough Calls: Quarterbacks
• [18:42] Tough Calls: Running Backs
• [28:29] Tough Calls: Wide Receivers
• [38:42] Christmas Day Game Previews & Chat Q&A
• [74:39] Holiday food debate & sign-off

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Holiday Tone

• The crew shares holiday excitement—jokes about show timing, pajamas, and holiday meals.
  • “You just have to do matching pajamas if that's what we're gonna do.” – Host/Moderator [04:11]
  • “I don't wear pajamas.” – Heath [04:15]

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2. Week 17 News & Notes

• Quick, actionable updates on player injuries and expected absences for the week.
  • “Lamar Jackson was listed as did not practice… Josh Allen says he's going to play… George Kittle has a sprained ankle…” – Host/Moderator [06:47-07:48]

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3. Quarterback Start/Sit Conundrums

Baker Mayfield vs. Jared Goff vs. Caleb Williams

• Jamie: “I don't want any part of Jared Goff against the Vikings. He has not been good in Minnesota. The Vikings have been amazing since week 10.” [09:18]
• Heath: “I'd prefer to start neither of them but Goff. I have ranked ahead of Mayfield.” [09:54]
• Dave: “I've got Goff one spot higher. I agree completely. They are tough calls. They are 11 and 12 for me.” [10:12]
• Jamie: On Caleb Williams: “Much, much better than Baker… much, much, much, much, much better than Jared Goff.” [10:52]

Dak Prescott: Trust the Matchup?

• Adams worries about blowout risk vs. Washington:
  • “Prescott at Washington on paper is just…you drool over this. But I am concerned that the Commanders are so inept that Dak has a rare bad game in a great matchup.” [15:20]
• Panel consensus: Start Dak; he remains a top 3 quarterback for all.

Notable Quote

“It seems like there's maybe 10 quarterbacks we really want to start this week.” – Dave [10:12]

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4. Running Back Dilemmas

Featured Players: Tyrone Tracy, Bucky Irving, DeAndre Swift, Tony Pollard

• Order Consensus (all three analysts):
  1. DeAndre Swift (clear lead)
  2. Tyrone Tracy & Bucky Irving (close, both RB2/flex range)
  3. Tony Pollard (bottom, usage and offense concerns)
• Stat: “Bucky Irving is averaging 3.5 yards per carry, almost 2 yards less than last year. Only one run all year longer than 16 yards.” – Host/Moderator [18:42]
• Heath: “I have Swift significantly at the top…Pollard pretty clearly at the bottom.” [20:10-21:05]
• Discussion: Offense, implied totals, and O-line health weigh heavily into start/sit logic.
  • “One team has an implied total of 24…one team has an implied total of 17.” – Dave [24:37]

Related Quick-Hits

• Ramandre Stevenson: Over all but Swift if TreVeyon Henderson is out. [25:25]
• Michael Carter: “No.” [25:39]
• Blake Corum vs. Pollard: “Pollard, but they're almost back-to-back.” [25:53]

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5. Wide Receiver Dilemmas

Michael Wilson, Tetarol McMillan, Zay Flowers, Christian Watson

• Biggest variable: Injury impact for QBs/WRs
  • “Mostly with Watson and Flowers because of the potential of backup quarterbacks. If you get the starting quarterbacks, you feel much better...” – Jamie [29:04]
• Rank Orders Vary:
  • Most trust Michael Wilson as the safest, with Flowers and McMillan valued for volume, especially if the game script pushes passing.
  • “Volume for McMillan…Carolina won't be able to run, so Bryce has to get the ball out quickly.” – Heath [32:54]
• Zay Flowers: High floor based on target share, but limited TD upside if Tyler Huntley starts.
  • “Zay Flowers has a 33% target share with Huntley, but Huntley doesn't throw touchdowns.” – Host/Moderator [35:14]

Notable Segment

Implied Totals for WR teams: Arizona (23), Green Bay (22), Baltimore (19.5), Carolina (17) [34:21]

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6. Rapid-Fire Start/Sit Questions

Christmas Game Highlights

Dallas at Washington

• Start Dak, Lamb, and Pickens. Ferguson a borderline TE1/2.
• “I'd try and get away from [Jake] Ferguson…feels low-upside.” – Dave [41:12]
• Washington QBs: If Mariota out, Ty Johnson is desperation-level. McLaurin is a low-end WR2/Flex.
• “McLaurin has a higher ceiling [than Wandale].” – Jamie [47:09]

Detroit at Minnesota

• Goff is a borderline play; low on Jamo without St. Brown.
• “You still start him…Jamo's just not getting the high-end TD production.” – Jamie [54:03]
• Justin Jefferson: No confidence, but you’re starting him if you must.

Denver at Kansas City

• Bonix is a low-end starter. R.J. Harvey is a “love” this week.
• On Chiefs: “No Chiefs policy…even Pacheco.” – Host/Moderator [71:28]
• “Kelsey's the only one in consideration. I don't want to start him…but I don’t know I can find a better option.” – Dave [70:51]

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7. Injury & Weather Watch

• Strong advice to confirm all starts/sits closer to Sunday for QB/WR injuries and line movement.
• Weather risks in Cleveland, Buffalo, and possible changes for Jets game [37:26].

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8. Notable Listener Q&A & Rankings Snippets

• Dak vs. Stafford: “Stafford's my QB1.” – Dave [49:58]
• Prescott or Lawrence: “Dak.” – Heath [50:08]
• Ferguson vs. Taysom Hill: “Ferguson.” [50:58]
• McLaurin, Ramondre, or Hampton: “If there’s no TreVeyon, I go Hampton.” – Jamie [51:15]
• Christmas food debate (classic FFT banter):
  • “Christmas is a ham holiday…I'm smoking wings.” – Dave [75:08]
  • “Pork is red meat. Don’t let the advertising fool you!” – Host/Moderator [76:25]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “There's maybe 10 quarterbacks we really want to start this week.” – Dave [10:12]
• “I’d prefer to start neither of them but Goff.” – Heath on Mayfield/Goff [09:54]
• “Volume for McMillan…Carolina will be forced to throw.” – Heath [32:54]
• “Zay Flowers has a 33% target share with Huntley…but Huntley doesn’t throw touchdowns.” – Host [35:14]
• “If anyone has a boo boo, they need to sit.” – Dave on Giants/Raiders [27:49]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Segment | Start Time | |-------------------------|-----------| | Show Kick-Off | [02:21] | | Week 17 News/Notes | [06:45] | | QB Tough Calls | [08:57] | | RB Tough Calls | [18:42] | | WR Tough Calls | [28:29] | | Christmas Game Previews | [38:42] | | Listener Q&A | [47:02] | | Chiefs/Broncos Preview | [65:05] | | Christmas Food Bants | [74:39] |

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Episode Takeaways

• Prioritize matchups AND offensive context for start/sit choices this week—be extra vigilant on late-week injuries and weather.
• Weekly “tough calls” are especially close for QBs and RBs, with consensus forming around “about 10 clear starters” at each position.
• Injury uncertainty at QB has a ripple effect on wide receiver recommendations—watch for news before locking lineups.
• Show closes with laughs—banter about holiday meal traditions highlights the show’s camaraderie.

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Recommendation: For the most up-to-date advice, check their Sunday a.m. live stream and monitor injury/weather news ahead of Week 17 lock.

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Merry Christmas—and good luck in your championships from FFT!

Transcript

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[Dave]

This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports.

[Host / Moderator]

Wanna play?

[Jamie]

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[Heath]

It's time to dominate your fantasy league.

[Dave]

This is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Host / Moderator]

Welcome to the show. It's fantasy football Today presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary. It's Christmas Eve. It's Wednesday, December 24th. It's hump day. We have so many reasons, happy, so many reasons to be excited. But Heath, the NFL slate on Thursday, not necessarily one of those reasons. I think you said it was the best Thanksgiving slate ever and we're getting a little bit of payback with Christmas.

[Dave]

You know, I'm just glad that I didn't say anything I shouldn't have during the hot mic moment. I would hate to say something you're not supposed to say on air. No, it's, it's, it's. I, I don't remember anything like it. I think we have three games and we have three third string quarterbacks which is super interesting for championship weekend of fantasy football. But you know what? How can you not be just happy and full of joy today? It's great. It's a great time.

[Host / Moderator]

It is happy times. Very excited. And Dave, Jamie and I will be on tomorrow. Heath will not be. We'll have our regular Thursday show with starter sit for the AFC home. Are we doing that guys, normal time tomorrow? I haven't asked.

[Heath]

I'd prefer later if we can. Let's let everybody sleep in a little on Christmas.

[Jamie]

I need it to be at the same time. I'm sorry.

[Host / Moderator]

Oh, that's tough, Dave. That is a tough break right there. We'll see at 8:30 tomorrow.

[Heath]

I might be a little late. We'll see.

[Host / Moderator]

All right, that's fine.

[Heath]

Can I just like log in from bed set my laptop on my nightstand?

[Host / Moderator]

You just have to be wearing. We just have to do matching pajamas if that's what we're gonna do.

[Heath]

I don't wear pajamas.

[Host / Moderator]

Oh, okay. All right. So I have a thought. Have you guys ever had this idea if you're deciding between a Thursday guy or even maybe a Saturday guy and a Sunday or a Monday player? Do you play? I never do this, but play the guy going earlier in the week so you know maybe how to set your lineup later in the week. Do I need up based on his results? Right. Do I need upside? Do I need safety that ever come. No. Yeah. Stupid. Okay, well, then we'll move on. We have tough calls today. Well, no, I'm just saying as a tiebreaker. I'm not saying you, you go three spots in your rankings lower to get a Thursday guy, but are we going to start Baker Mayfield? Are we going to start Jared Goff? Are we going to start DeAndre Swift, who's been pretty bad, I think, in four of his last six games because he doesn't score touchdowns? He's not good. We're going to start Tyrone Tracy at the Raiders. We've got some tough calls for week 17 and we've got previews of the three Christmas games. Quick shout out to Frank Stampfle. He is the only CBS representative still alive in the Scott Fishbowl. He is in 24th place right now, and 50 people will be competing to win the Scott Fishbowl. So our Fantasy Baseball Today host, Frank Stample. Go get him, buddy.

[Dave]

I feel like Frank needs to share his roster, so. So I've got some. Somebody to cheer for in the Scott Fishbowl this week. Like, I was really sad last week not having anybody to cheer for and I'd like to. I'd like to cheer for Frank's team. He's probably listening right now. Probably jump in the chat and just give us. Give us his. His roster.

[Jamie]

It'd be great if you look it up, right? Isn't there still a way to do that?

[Dave]

I'm sure that there are people who could do that. I am not one of those people.

[Host / Moderator]

I can tell you. I can tell you who he drafted because he sent me a screenshot when he drafted it.

[Dave]

Well, I'm sure his team, if it's anything like my teams, it looks just exactly like who he drafted.

[Host / Moderator]

Well, it's Scott Fishbowl, so it's like, you know, there's not a ton of free agency. This rosters are so deep. He has Drake May, Matthew Stafford and Jordan love. I'll start two of them. Chase Brown, Kenneth Gainwell, DeAndre Swift. He'll start them. He also has Dylan Sam or he had Dylan Sampson. He has Jamar Chase Puka, Nakua and Devonte Smith. And he has George Kittle, Pat Friarmouth. That was what we drafted.

[Dave]

This sounds really unfair. Did Frank have eight teams in his. In his league?

[Host / Moderator]

That's pretty good.

[Dave]

How do you get all those good players? Good job, Frank.

[Host / Moderator]

All right, so we've got our regular schedule. You guys have. Are on the network tomorrow, right? CBS Sports Network. Oh, no, no, no. Christmas.

[Heath]

Christmas.

[Host / Moderator]

Okay. Well, we'll see on Sunday morning for our regular programming as well. News and notes. Lamar Jackson was listed as it did not practice there at Green Bay on Saturday. We'll hold out hope for Lamar Jackson. Josh Allen says he's going to play. He has a foot injury. He's a little lower in the rankings than he usually is against Philadelphia. Philip Rivers is starting for the Colts and Jacksonville been a little vulnerable. Not so much lately. But passing defense hasn't been great. JJ McCarthy is out for the game tomorrow. And Jordan Love limited, but still in the concussion protocol. It was at least good that he was limited yesterday. Jordan Love Malik Willis thinks he'll be ready to play through his shoulder injury if it comes to that. At running back. Jordan Mason is unlikely to play tomorrow. Aaron Jones looks like he'll play. Josh Jacobs has this knee issue. We'll see if he plays against Baltimore on Saturday. We Woody Marks practiced in full, so that is it for the Jawar Jordan at least considering starting him. Baltimore running back Keaton Mitchell was limited. Kamani Vidal missed practice and they did activate someone off their practice squad, so not necessarily a great sign.

[Jamie]

Patterson.

[Host / Moderator]

Yeah, that's right for and he's played before. So Vidal with the. With the injury. He missed practice. They play Saturday and Travion Henderson's a concussion protocol. I'm on Ross St. Brown's go to the wide receiver news. St. Brown has a knee issue. Feel like he's going to play. We'll preview that game later. DK Metcalf suspension was upheld. Also, Calvin Austin has a hamstring injury for Pittsburgh. Ryan Flournoy missed practice. They play tomorrow. K Sean Booty's in the concussion protocol. Pat Bryant missed practice. They play tomorrow. And Rasheed Rice missed practice. We're not expecting him. They play tomorrow. Tight ends TJ Hawkinson missed practice. They play tomorrow. George Kittle has a sprained ankle and we'll see. I mean, I can't imagine he's going to practice today, but we'll see what happens. Dalton Schultz was limited and on the offensive line, Houston's left tackle is out, Minnesota center is out and Tampa Bay's left tackle, Tristan Worfs. He could be out. All right, that's the main stuff. Let's go to the tough calls. All right, These were submitted by Jamie and got some from the audience as well. Let's talk about Baker Mayfield and Jared Goff. Baker Mayfield scored 14.7 fantasy points last week.

[Jamie]

He.

[Host / Moderator]

He has mostly Been pretty bad for the past month and a half, but he did score 23.2 fantasy points two weeks ago against Atlanta, and he faces Miami. He's been really bad for about the last six quarters, coinciding with the loss of safety Minka Fitzpatrick. Jamie, you said Baker Mayfield and Jared Goff are tough calls. Who do you like better?

[Jamie]

Mayfield. I don't want any part of Jared Goff against the Vikings. He has not been good in Minnesota. The Vikings have been amazing since week 10. They are on a historical run right now, and I don't think Jared Goff is going to have a great game. Mayfield has been tough to trust, but his matchup is much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much easier.

[Host / Moderator]

Anybody? Heath and Dave? Dave first. Mayfield or golf? Mayfield at Miami, golf at Minnesota.

[Heath]

I'd prefer to start neither of them but golf. I have ranked ahead of Mayfield.

[Host / Moderator]

Heath. Oh, Heath is muted.

[Heath]

Heath.

[Dave]

Yeah, I probably my. I prefer your microphone.

[Heath]

Just foe. Je.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Never. Never again. I've got golf one spot higher. I agree completely. They are tough calls. They are 11 and 12. For me. It seems like there's maybe 10 quarterbacks that we really want to start this week because I don't really love those guys. I don't really love Justin Herbert against the Texans. I don't really love Jackson Dart. Like, it's just I. I have a lot a hard time finding guys to rank ahead of them, I think.

[Host / Moderator]

You also submitted Caleb Williams as a tough call, right?

[Dave]

He's one spot ahead of those guys.

[Host / Moderator]

Yes.

[Heath]

Agreed.

[Jamie]

So we're looking Williams much better than.

[Heath]

Both much better or much, much, much.

[Jamie]

Much, much, much, much, much better? Much, much better than Baker. He's one spot head of Baker. Much, much, much, much, much better than Jared Goff.

[Host / Moderator]

I mean, this might seem like. No, I mean, this is a good question. This is a great one of my better questions. He's one spot. Caleb Williams is one spot ahead of Baker Mayfield. You're saying you like him much better than Baker Mayfield? Is that just the end of a tier?

[Dave]

Basically, I think he was just doing wordplay.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Host / Moderator]

I don't know. It felt like he really meant it when he said he liked Caleb much better. Like.

[Jamie]

No, I. I think he said it best. There's 10 quarterbacks that I like as well. Caleb is 10 after 10. It gets a lot of question marks. I wish Baker was playing better because the matchup, I think, is great. I don't. I. The Dolphins are definitely in checkout mode, and, you know, the Bucks have a hell of A lot to play for and I think Baker is going to perform much better because I don't think the Dolphins pass rush is going to be as bad as what he's seen the last couple of weeks, and I don't think their secondary is playing very well. Like you said, makeup, Fitzpatrick being out is a big factor here. So I'm confident in Baker more so much more so than I am in Jared Goff, who has all of his weapons available to him. But he's facing again, a defense on a historical run right now in a place where he has struggled mightily going back to his days with the Rams.

[Host / Moderator]

Okay, so Jared Goff is super interesting because he's on, he's on fire right now. He has finished top 10 at the position six times in his last eight games. He has scored, let's see, 35, 30 or more fantasy points. Two straight games at the Rams and home against Pittsburgh. He threw 41 times at the Rams. He threw 54 times against Pittsburgh. Has he done in tough matchups? Not, not that well the last time. But, but most recent tough matchup was against Green Bay and he scored 24.6 fantasy points on and that was without Aman Ross St. Brown, wasn't it? That was the Thanksgiving game and he's through 26 passes and he scored 24.6 fantasy points. So he's playing great. Oddly enough, his worst game in this stretch was against Dallas, but also last year he was playing great last year. He was absolutely on fire. And then he won you your fantasy leagues. And then he faced Minnesota in week 18 and it made a, it was a total dud. I don't forgot what he scored 12 points or something.

[Heath]

He played well. But Jameer Gibbs scored three touchdowns and ran really, really well.

[Host / Moderator]

And then I think if we're. It's Brosmer playing and that's, that's what really that yeah, that killed me on my golf off enthusiasm.

[Heath]

Mine too. Although I still think golf can have an okay game. So I Jamie's point about the Vikings defense, I mean he said it's six straight games without allowing a single passing touchdown. It's ridiculous. But to me the, the issue that's almost as big of a deal is Max Brosmer at quarterback from Minnesota isn't going to put up a lot of points for Minnesota. And if that's the case, we could be looking at another game where Jameer Gibbs goes off David Montgomery and such, I think in the two games they played last year or. No, it's not last year, the two games that Jared Goff has stunk in his last five against Minnesota. Six rushing touchdowns for the running backs in Detroit. Three from Gibbs last year, two from Gibbs, one from Montgomery the other time when it happened. The other three games, he's been not bad. And I think that's what you're hoping for is for him to be not bad. And so I've got him ranked to be a not bad quarterback this week.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Host / Moderator]

I know Jamie's got shuck over golf. Do you guys have shuck over golf?

[Dave]

I do not.

[Heath]

I don't either, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were within two and a half fantasy points of each other.

[Host / Moderator]

Okay.

[Jamie]

All right.

[Host / Moderator]

And then Mayfield's a little bit ahead of golf for Jamie. And let's see, just check the rankings for heath. Mayfield is 12. Where do you have golf? Oh, 11.

[Jamie]

Sorry.

[Host / Moderator]

And Dave, Dave, you're not feeling Mayfield. You have him 16th? Not at all.

[Jamie]

No.

[Heath]

And it's because of how he's played, how this offense has been a little disjointed. Last week they came off the bus running. I wonder if they try and do that again. I don't like that. Tristan. WFS is hurt. They've got to get their act together, and they need a get right spot. This is a get right spot, but I don't know if that means that Baker Mayfield has 275 and three. This is another game where I'm not sure if Tampa's opponent is going to push the scoreboard and give the opportunity for Baker Mayfield to go out there and fire the ball off 32 plus times.

[Host / Moderator]

You know who I'm kind of concerned about in that regard, and we're going to talk about him soon, is Dak Prescott. Because you guys have him. What? Top three? I think I thought you were going.

[Dave]

To say Bo Nix.

[Host / Moderator]

Oh, yeah. I don't want to start bonus.

[Heath]

He's absolutely in that spot either.

[Host / Moderator]

I don't want to start Bonix either. But Dak, I do want to start.

[Dave]

Right.

[Host / Moderator]

But if you have, like Joe Burrow or Trevor Lawrence, because Dak Prescott at Washington on paper is just. You drool over this. But I am concerned that the commanders are so inept in this game, even against Dallas, that. That Dak has a rare bad game in a good matchup. Great matchup. Anyone feeling that or.

[Dave]

No, it's possible.

[Jamie]

No. All right.

[Host / Moderator]

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For 20% [e-mail] okay, submissions from Jamie and the Twitter audience. Tyrone Tracy at the Raiders. He's not getting a lot of catches and that's kind of only two games this year with more than three catches. And let's see, we got Bucky Irving at Miami. Bucky Irving is averaging 3.5 yards per carry. That is almost 2 yards per carry less than last year. He has one run all season longer than 16 yards. So Tyrone Tracy, Bucky Irving, DeAndre Swift at San Francisco, which is a pretty good run defense and he's struggled. He's got four disappointing games in his last six. DeAndre Swift, and the last one was Tony Pollard. Three straight 100 yard games for Tony Pollard, but he has two catches for 11 yards in his last four games combined and he is facing New Orleans. Want to hear a crazy stat? New Orleans since week four, they are fourth best in yards per play defensively. Because I was looking at Houston and the Chargers and like, man, New Orleans keeps showing up on this list. New Orleans is seventh best for the season, but fourth best in yards per play, the Saints defensively. Okay, so Heath, I've got Tyrone Tracy at the Raiders, I got Bucky Irving at Miami, I got DeAndre Swift at San Francisco, and I got Tony Pollard against New Orleans. Are any of these guys easy calls for you? Like, oh, I'm definitely starting them.

[Dave]

I don't know that I would say any of them are easy calls. I have Swift significantly at the top of this group and I have Pollard pretty clearly at the bottom of this group. Tracy and Bucky I think may be 24 and 25 for me. So they may are, are definitely the toughest calls for me. I think everybody would like to start Bucky because we think he's really good and it should be a game where they're playing with a lead and they get to run the ball a lot. He's just morphed into the ultimate trap back. Like a guy that's not used very much on passing downs and not used at all inside. I mean, he did was on the field for a pass attempt from the one yard line last week, but still does not have a carry that officially counts inside the five yard line. But I'm just, I'm probably just going to stick with Swift this week and I'm probably not going to start Pollard this week.

[Host / Moderator]

Okay, so it's Swift then a little bit of a gap and you've got Tracy and Bucky and then a gap and then Pollard. Dave, how do you see those four running backs?

[Heath]

Pretty much the exact same way. Swift at the top of the list, a very good number two fantasy running back. 49ers have allowed at least 15 PPR points to 10 of 15 running backs this year, including three straight games. And I still think Swift is like the one A in Chicago.

[Host / Moderator]

Okay, Jamie, how do you see those four running backs?

[Jamie]

Same order. I think in the case of Pollard, the matchup is not easy, but the last two weeks haven't exactly been easy for him either. And he's done better than I think anybody expected. Probably the Chiefs game was one that the numbers don't match up to where the performance was in the case of how both running backs performed against the Chiefs because they just didn't care. So I wonder.

[Host / Moderator]

Didn't care, huh? The Chiefs didn't care?

[Jamie]

Well, I mean, you know, first game out of playoff contention and they just.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Host / Moderator]

So by the end of the game, I have a different take on that. Honestly, I. If you. I guess watching Tony Pollard, I. I don't think there was like a lack of effort. I watched Cam Ward, too. They just were on the field for 38 minutes. Three of Tony Pollard's four.

[Jamie]

I mean, it's not a lack of effort, but.

[Host / Moderator]

Yeah, I mean, the offense let them down. Right. So I think the defense got worn down. Three of his longest. Three of Tony Pollard's four longest runs were in the fourth quarter. He had a big fourth quarter, so. So did Tajie Spears. They saw 70 plays and were on the field for 38 minutes. So I think the offense completely let them down, which is something you should think about for RJ Harvey as well.

[Jamie]

But.

[Host / Moderator]

Yeah, any. Okay. Right. So. Right. No Tony Paul, I mean, what's the difference? Why is DeAndre Swift so much ahead, so much farther ahead of. Of Tony Pollard? I mean, Swift's catches are very unpredictable. Pollard, you could argue he's going to get more carries. I don't know. I think he has probably a slightly easier matchup, but maybe you could. Maybe you could say they're even. So, you know. Jamie, what's your take on that?

[Jamie]

Oh, it's a fair argument, you know, especially again the last three weeks, what we've seen from these guys. And you know, like he said about Bucky irving, you know, DeAndre Swift loses touchdown opportunities to Kyle Manangai. And you know, the. Like you said, Adam, the passing game work has been not exactly something you could say is guaranteed in. In Certain situations. I think the hope would be is that the offense for the Bears is. Is certainly centered around their run game. And DeAndre Swift is still the leading running back for this team in a game that should be a high scoring game between the 49ers and Bears. @ least that's the hope. So I feel more comfortable with Swift also. But it's hard to overlook what Pollard has done the last three games. And can he finish out this, the season playing like this? You know, you listen to the Titans players And certainly Mike McCoy, and you know, they feel much more comfortable with how their offensive line is performing and. And that's obvious starting with the Browns game. So can they. They're also not turning the ball over, you know, so you've talked about this quite a bit. You know, Cam Ward, three straight games with one interception or three. One interception is last three.

[Host / Moderator]

Games. One interception is last eight.

[Jamie]

Games. Oh, sorry. Last eight games. So, you know, doing a much better job of holding onto the ball. So they're getting more opportunities. I. I just think that the Saints defense is. Is surprisingly tough, you know, just compared to what you think of them. And Tyze Spears is still enough of a factor to make me still concerned about Pollard, especially in the passing game. So he also feels a little bit like a trap back.

[Dave]

Too. I think the biggest difference is one team has an implied total of 24 this week. One team has an implied total of.

[Host / Moderator]

17. Yeah, you know, it's funny you mentioned that number 24, the Titans have scored 24 or more points in four of their last five games, and they did not do that a single time in their first 10 games. So obviously Vegas is not buying the Titans offensive resurgence. And I get it, by the way, I was wrong. It's one. One interception for Camborden his last seven games, just to clarify that, but still impressive. And three straight games with two touchdown passes. But we're not seeing a lot of yards. We're not seeing a lot of pass attempts either. Yeah, no, it's a fair point. You want to buy into the Bears offense more so than the. Than the Titans offense. I get that. Would you guys start Ramandre Stevenson over all four of these guys? Swift, Pollard, Bucky.

[Heath]

Tracy.

[Jamie]

Yes. If Henderson's out 100%, I've got.

[Dave]

Him over everyone except for.

[Host / Moderator]

Swift. Okay. And you should know by the time the Saturday games roll around, if Trayvon Henderson is playing, would you start Michael Carter over any of these.

[Dave]

Guys? No.

[Jamie]

Pollard.

[Host / Moderator]

No. No, no. Okay. Okay. That's about it. Blake. Blake Corum Or Tony.

[Dave]

Pollard. Pollard, Pollard.

[Jamie]

Pollard. But they're almost back to.

[Host / Moderator]

Back. Okay. It almost seems like Pollard and, and Bucky Irving and even Swift are very, I don't know maybe all these guys are similar but we just trust the Titans offense. The least I think is what I'm what I'm hearing here. That is a way to sum it.

[Jamie]

Up. Yes.

[Host / Moderator]

Yeah. And Trey, I mean we didn't really talk at all about Tracy. Dave, you want to give your quick thoughts on Tracy at the Raiders who, who are not pretty good against the run but they give up fantasy points to running.

[Heath]

Backs. I'm kind of out on all Giants players just because of what we saw last week and then knowing that the offensive line potentially could be down two starters. We've seen what this offense has looked like in the past without a healthy offensive line and it's brutal. I don't care how much Jackson dart run. It's, it's just not something that I really want to have a piece of. I'm ready to start Pollard over.

[Host / Moderator]

Tracy. Giants are averaging oh that's interesting. Giants are averaging 4 yards per carry with Andrew Thomas and 3.3 without him this year. Last year the splits were pretty even and the year before that they were even more dramatic. 4 yards per carry with Thomas and 3.1 with him off the field. That's Giants running backs and I.

[Heath]

I, I suppose we should just make sure that those guys are.

[Jamie]

Out.

[Heath]

Yeah. Before we really lean into it. You'll you would know better than I at this.

[Host / Moderator]

Point. Well I think they were labeled as day to day or something like that but no one expects Andrew Thomas to.

[Heath]

Play. I'd obviously feel better about pieces of the Giants offense if those, if the linemen are playing especially.

[Dave]

Thomas. I think a lot of times when guys are questionable at this point in the week we kind of lean towards yeah questionable. They got a chance to play when it's the Giants or even the Chiefs at this point like I mean this is the the tank off of all tank offs between the Giants and the Raiders. If anybody has a boo boo they need to sit.

[Jamie]

Out game more.

[Dave]

Though they both I would think the rate well there's 100 Pete Carol I can't imagine Pete Carroll's ever thought that way a second of his life but I think like for Raiders fans probably do more because they need.

[Jamie]

Mendoza. Well yeah the Raiders want to guarantee the quarterback. The Giants don't need.

[Host / Moderator]

That. Yeah.

[Heath]

Exactly. I'm, I peak this might be Pete Carroll's second to last game as a head Coach ever. I guarantee you he's going to try and.

[Host / Moderator]

Win. Yeah, same thing with Mike Kafka.

[Jamie]

Though.

[Heath]

Yeah. Unfortunately, the Giants have been good at losing all year.

[Host / Moderator]

Long. Yeah, they go there. I think they're underdogs now. The line.

[Dave]

Change. They.

[Heath]

Are. I think the Raiders.

[Host / Moderator]

Win. It's shifted. Okay, let's go to our wide receivers. We got Michael Wilson at Cincinnati. Remember, Marvin Harrison Jr. Is playing hurt, and he only played. Only ran 60% of the routes last week. Michael Wilson also saw a big jump in his slot rate last week, but it was not good for basically anybody other than Elijah Higgins on that offense. Tetarol McMillan against Seattle. As we wait to see their injury report. Zay Flowers at Green Bay. Christian Watson against Baltimore. So we got Michael Wilson, Tedro McMillan, Zay Flowers and Christian Watson. Jamie, how do you see that group? We have tough calls in here for.

[Jamie]

You. Yeah, mostly with Watson and Flowers because of the potential of backup quarterbacks. I think if you get the starting quarterbacks, you feel a lot. Much. I feel a lot better about Flowers for sure. Watson, I think, you know, this is just kind of another season of, okay, he's flashed some great potential, but still, is he going to get the targets? Is he going to get the opportunities? Is he going to produce when he gets those opportunities? Because we still have another very crowded receiving core here. So if it's Tyler Huntley, I'm going to be very nervous about Zay Flowers. If it's Malik Willis, I'll feel okay about Watson, but not as good. Teterom McMillan. I'm hoping not necessarily for the injuries that will help his ceiling, but I'm hoping that the game flow is Seahawks playing with the lead, Panthers forced to throw. You illustrated this on Sunday. Whenever the targets are there for Ted roll McMillan, he has produced so.

[Host / Moderator]

Well. Whenever he's had 10 or more targets. Well, I, I'm just. That's what I'm.

[Jamie]

Not. I'm not gonna go in thinking he's gonna get 10, but if he has the opportunity to get north of 7, I will start him without hesitation. I'll have some questions if it's. If you tell me right now he's gonna be six and a half. Like, if that's the over, under, then I'm gonna be. Oh, crap. It could be. It could be a rough day for.

[Dave]

Him.

[Jamie]

Yeah. And Wilson, obviously, you know, hits. I'm. I, I think we all went into it with. Okay, you heard the report. Marvin Harrison is going to be playing at less than 100. They open the game Michael Wilson's on the field. Like that's how the, the, the, the first play started for them. It's like, oh, crap, here we go again. It's going to be some sort of screwiness with what's been their best receiver. And we got so lucky that he bobbles, falls into ball, lands on his chest, gets touchdown. I'm going to go back to him because it's the Bengals and I know that they're secondary has played much better against wide receivers than I think anybody expected, and certainly based on what quarterbacks have done against them. Clearly tight ends dominate this team and they have Trey McBride. But I still think you got to treat Michael Wilson as a number two receiver based on what his upside can still be. And I think it's still.

[Host / Moderator]

There. You like McMillan or Michael.

[Jamie]

Wilson?

[Dave]

Wilson.

[Heath]

Wilson.

[Host / Moderator]

McMillan. McMillan. McMillanan. When he's had eight or nine targets, he's typically not done that well, but at least it hasn't been, you know, it's usually like 11 points or something. It's not one of those where you go, oh, I lost because of McMillan. You just didn't win because of McMillan. And usually he does get, you know, he gets a decent amount of targets. It's just been a little unpredictable lately with 2, 4 and 10 targets in his last three games, but you see a lot of eight target games in there. Obviously we need Seattle to hold up their end of the bargain and, and score. Heath, Michael Wilson, Zay Flowers, Christian Watson, Tedro McMillan. Your thoughts on this.

[Dave]

Group? I would rank them. Wilson, Flowers, Teteroa. Who else? Watson, Tedro Watson. And I would say, like, they're all between, I think 15 and 26 for me. So Watson's the one that is more of a, a borderline number two. And it's. Some of it's Malik Willis versus Jordan Love. A lot of it is just the Packers. Like in any given game, any white out could see three or four.

[Host / Moderator]

Targets. If Jordan Love plays and he was limited yesterday, are we gonna. I personally will be excited to start Christian.

[Dave]

Watson. I'll probably have Watson ahead of Tetaroa and. But probably still behind the other.

[Host / Moderator]

Two. Okay. Dave, you had McMillan, what, first in this.

[Heath]

Group?

[Host / Moderator]

Yes. Okay, now remember, Seattle has been a really tough matchup for anyone basically not named like Puka Nakua, essentially. So. But you're. But obviously they have injuries in their secondary. So your thoughts on McMillan in this.

[Heath]

Matchup? Counting on volume for McMillan. I don't think Carolina will be able to run the ball effectively. Bryce has to get the ball out quickly. McMillan is one of the guys that he looks to, no matter what the situation, but certainly in that situation specifically. So it's taking a chance over Wilson, but I, I think I'm willing to do it. It's close. I, I think in Arizona it could be a high scoring game. They're close. And so if you want to go Wilson over McMillan, I get it. He seems like maybe the safer of the two. But I think Marvin Harrison probably takes a step forward this week after his first game back. I don't think Trey McBride's going to have a bad game either. And so will there be enough there for. I'm, I'm, I'm not going to say all three of the pass catchers in Arizona to have a good game, but like for Marvin to have a modest game, for McBride to have a monster game and Wilson to have a monster game, maybe there could be. It is Cincinnati, but it's. To me, it's just really close between those two. The other three, not as close. Safe. Flowers with Tyler Huntley, that makes me skittish. I'm not. We're not sure if Jordan Love's gonna play. We're not sure if Malik Willis is going to play. If both of those quarterbacks are out, they're both on the injury report. If they're both out, there's no way sure that I can feel good about Christian.

[Jamie]

Watson. Right. I think LaFleur kind of expressed the optimism yesterday that Willis will be okay out there. And in the case of Wilson, I agree with you, Dave. But I do think that one thing we see is another 40 plus pass attempt game for Brissette because of who they're facing. So that should help all three of those.

[Dave]

Guys. Just since we did it with the running backs, the implied total for these four teams of these wide receivers, we're talking about 23 for Arizona, 22 for Green Bay, 19 and a half for the Ravens, and 17 for the.

[Jamie]

Panthers. Wow.

[Host / Moderator]

Wow. So that's got to be.

[Jamie]

Huntley.

[Host / Moderator]

Yeah. Let me tell you with Huntley. Zay Flowers has 16, 15 targets this year with Huntley, but Huntley. Zay flowers has a 33.3% target share with Tyler Huntley so far this year. He played one game with him against the Bears, had seven catches for 63 yards on nine targets, nine targets on 22 pass attempts. Huntley had 10 pass attempts last week. Three of them went to Zay Flowers. So it's not going to be. The quality is not going to be as good, obviously. And Tyler Huntley does Doesn't throw touchdowns. Like, not gonna throw touchdowns.

[Dave]

Ever. But 33% is not a huge increase. He has a 29 target share for the.

[Jamie]

Season.

[Host / Moderator]

Okay. Yeah, he's on fire right now. Three straight games of 15.8 or more PPR fantasy points for Zay Flowers. Okay, I think we'll call it a day here with the tough calls, but looking at these guys. Michael Wilson at Cincinnati, Zay Flowers at Green Bay, Christian Watson against the Ravens, and Tedro McMillan against Seattle. Would you start any of them over Jameson Williams against Minnesota? At.

[Dave]

Minnesota? Nope, I would.

[Jamie]

Not. I would. Wilson, flowers and.

[Heath]

McMillan. Just give me Wilson and.

[Host / Moderator]

McMillan. Okay. Would you start these guys over Bucky.

[Heath]

Irving in PPR?

[Jamie]

Absolutely. All about Watson right.

[Dave]

Now? Yeah, full PPR. I have all of them.

[Host / Moderator]

Ahead. Okay. A Bucky, DeAndre Swift or.

[Heath]

Michael. Pretty close to non PPR.

[Host / Moderator]

Too. Full PPR. DeAndre Swifter, Michael Wilson, Zay Flowers, Christian Watson, Tedro.

[Heath]

McMillan. I'd probably take Swift there at the top of the.

[Dave]

List. I have Wilson ahead of Swift. That's.

[Jamie]

It. Wilson ahead of Swift, Flowers and McMillan ahead of Swift. If Lamar.

[Host / Moderator]

Plays. All right, folks, so listen. You know, one thing I always kind of feel bad about is we do these shows on Thursday and Friday. We give this advice, tell you who to start and sit, and then something happens on Sunday. There's an inactive, there's an injury, there's bad weather, and it changes our opinions. So just either tune Into Sunday shows 11am Eastern till 1pm on YouTube.com fantasy football today, or just stay on top of it and check the weather and check the injuries and all that. But sometimes things change and what we say becomes outdated pretty quickly. And that's unfortunately could be the case with what we just talked about with all of those wide receivers except Michael Wilson. I think we know his situation pretty well, but we don't know the status of Seattle secondary against McMillan and we don't know the status of the quarterbacks in the Green Bay Baltimore game. So again, I just encourage everybody to stay on top of it. I don't know if we have any weather concerns yet this.

[Dave]

Week. Two. Two that we need to watch. I think there may be more, but two that we definitely need to watch. Pittsburgh at Cleveland. You just always have to watch the weather in Cleveland. It's going to be cold. It's going to be a little bit windy. Hopefully not a lot windy. What's the other place you always have to watch the weather in December? It's Buffalo. Pittsburgh at or Philadelphia at? Buffalo has some wind and Precipitation and cold.

[Host / Moderator]

Concerns. Okay, so you're not seeing that with the jets game as of.

[Dave]

Now. According to our good friend Kevin Roth at Roto Grinders. You should check out his weather work. Right now it looks like heavy rain holds off until after the.

[Host / Moderator]

Game. Oh.

[Jamie]

Interesting. All.

[Heath]

Right. Forecast in Charlotte looks good.

[Host / Moderator]

Too. Okay. All right, well, let's, let's take a break, come back, and we've got three Christmas games to preview. Knicks and Cavs when we come.

[Dave]

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[Host / Moderator]

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[Heath]

Football. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

[Host / Moderator]

Nah. Okay. Dallas is at Washington. Stat of the game. Four quarterbacks have scored 26.4 or more fantasy points against the Commanders with 30 or fewer pass attempts, including Dak Prescott. So I don't know if you guys have any Dak leagues. I'm just going to have to decide between Dak and Lawrence. Ordinarily, I'd say Dak, but, you know, I'm a little worried about the commander scoring five points in this.

[Jamie]

Game. Did you get Lawrence back in the.

[Host / Moderator]

Leagues? You dropped them in the. Well, in one of them, yeah. And then in fft, I don't think I dropped him. But the waivers haven't run yet, but we'll, you know. All right, what's.

[Dave]

Up? This is hilarious. So I was thinking, I think you said you were going to do this. Like I need to do some research on how many passes Dak throws when the other team doesn't score very many points. That has not happened. There just are not games where the other team doesn't score very many points. I show one game all season where the Cowboys opponent has scored fewer than 21.

[Host / Moderator]

Points. Yeah. What game was.

[Dave]

That? That was against the.

[Host / Moderator]

Raiders. Yeah.

[Dave]

Right. And Dak threw four touchdown.

[Host / Moderator]

Passes. Yeah, right there. I've got five games where they allowed no more than 24 points, which is. Which is great for.

[Dave]

Them. That's their good defense games when they've given up 20 less than.

[Host / Moderator]

24. I know, and he's been awesome. I mean, amazing. 29.3 or more in. In 4,05 games. So there's no reason to not like Dak Prescott. So I'm just right. I mean, we just start.

[Dave]

Them. Start. I'm third for.

[Host / Moderator]

Me. Okay. Top three, I think for everybody. How about Javante Williams? Jamie starter?

[Jamie]

Sit. As long as he's healthy, I'm gonna start him. I mean, this commander's defense is terrible and hopefully he's able to play a full game. But I mean, I don't know. This feels like all systems go for the.

[Host / Moderator]

Cowboys. Okay.

[Jamie]

Honestly.

[Host / Moderator]

Yeah. So then let's just talk about Jake Ferguson because Pickens and Lamb are going to be starts and Ferguson. Dave starters at Jake.

[Heath]

Ferguson. I'd try and get away from him and it doesn't really have a lot to do with the matchup. The matchup's favorable. But if you're Dak Prescott and you've got time to throw, are you really going to check down to Jake Ferguson or are you going to throw to Lamb, who's due for a bounce back game, or Pickens who continues to make huge plays for Dallas. So it feels like a low upside game for Jake Ferguson. For now I've got him outside of my top 12 at tight.

[Host / Moderator]

End. Ferguson or Travis.

[Heath]

Kelsey? I've got Kelsey a little bit.

[Dave]

Ahead.

[Host / Moderator]

Yeah. Also, I.

[Dave]

Don'T. Yeah, I think there's nine tight ends I want to start this week and there's like 17 tight ends who I think might score between six and, and eight points or six and nine points. There's a, there's a. It's still deep, but there's not a lot of guys that I'm actually excited to. I mean, there's 10 that I'm kind of excited to.

[Host / Moderator]

Start. Okay. Washington is, is a good matchup. They allow the fifth most fantasy points of tight.

[Jamie]

Ends. He'll score a touchdown, but he won't have much.

[Host / Moderator]

Work. How about Dallas Goddard in the toughest matchup for tight ends, Buffalo or Jake.

[Jamie]

Ferguson. They're both touchdown.

[Dave]

Dependent. Ferguson. For me, I'm. I'm out on.

[Jamie]

Goddard. I would, I would go Ferguson.

[Heath]

Too. I'll. I'll take the chance on Goddard. I think he's been a reason why Philadelphia's offense has gotten back on track, why their passing offense has gotten back on track. And last week Harold Fannin showed us that you can score points against.

[Dave]

Buffalo. Yeah, I mean, if you're one of the best tight ends in the.

[Heath]

World. I mean, Mike Kasicki did it in week 14 too. He's one of the worst tight ends in the.

[Host / Moderator]

World. All right, Washington on the other side of the ball here. Is there any Commander's player. First of all, you guys are approaching this as if Josh Johnson's going to start. You're thinking Mario does not, as of now, not going to play.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Host / Moderator]

Correct.

[Heath]

Yeah. It's not. It's not entirely reflected in my rankings as of Wednesday morning, but it will be by Wednesday.

[Jamie]

Evening.

[Heath]

Same. Love this. Josh Johnson, nine career starts. His career touchdown rate is 3.5%. Keith, you can let everybody know.

[Host / Moderator]

Just how bad that.

[Heath]

Is. His interception rate is 5.1%. Heath, you can let everybody know how bad that is.56 completion rate. He's a third stringer for a.

[Host / Moderator]

Reason. His. His touchdown rate is. It's.

[Heath]

2.3%. That's. Overall, I'm talking.

[Host / Moderator]

About. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. His.

[Jamie]

2.

[Host / Moderator]

His. What'd you say?

[Heath]

3.2%?

[Host / Moderator]

3.5. Okay. That would make Tyler Huntley blush because TYLER Huntley's is 2.3%, which is.

[Dave]

Unbelievable. Just to put that in context, Daniel Jones career touchdown rate is 3.4%.

[Host / Moderator]

Wow. All right, so, yeah, if Mariota plays, he'd be an option because Dallas is horrible against quarterbacks. But Josh Johnson is be nervous.

[Dave]

Right? I'd be.

[Jamie]

Nervous. I think he's an option still. It's just Dallas is that.

[Dave]

Bad. Like, two quarterbacks all season have failed to reach 22 fantasy points or at least two team quarterbacks. There may have been one where they're giving him at least 22 fantasy points. Two quarterbacks in 13 of 15.

[Heath]

Games.

[Jamie]

The. The one team that did not have a quarterback do it, but collectively that was Washington. Yeah, it was the combination of Jaden Daniels and Mariota combined for 23 fantasy points. I think you're just hoping that Johnson can get you somewhere around 20. Like he's not going to have a huge game because it's Josh Johnson. The last two times that he's played a full game didn't start. One started. The other was in 2021. And then for two different teams, by the way, for the jets against the Colts that year, he had 26 points. I think it was 23 points, something like that. Both over 20 points. I'm gonna get the numbers wrong, but it was the jets against the Colts and the Ravens against the Bengals. And that was in week 16, both games. He was a good fantasy.

[Heath]

Quarterback. And 23.1 against.

[Dave]

Cincinnati. And I think it, it's. It's worth saying, like, the last two quarterbacks who have faced the Cowboys have been J.J. mcCarthy, who's just been dreadful most of the season. He scored 27 fantasy points on 24 pass attempts. And then Justin Herbert, who hasn't been a top 12 quarterback like, but maybe once or twice since Joe Alt went down and he scored 34 fantasy points on 29 pass attempts. They have given up 27 or more to four of the last five quarterbacks they.

[Host / Moderator]

Faced. It's unbelievable. So what does this mean for Debo Samuel and Terry.

[Dave]

McLaurin? Heath, I think you have to like Terry more. The interesting thing with, with both these guys is that if you look at the raw target numbers, they've been really low lately. It's because Washington has just done everything they can to commit to the run and they haven't thrown the ball very much. I don't think they'll have that option in this game. I think you have to favor McLaurin because the thing that, I think we said this on the Sunday stream and I hope somebody started him in a deep flex. Dallas has been awful on deep balls and that's, we said that about Quentin Johnston on Sunday. That's Terry McLaurin on this team. Everything Debo does is around the line of scrimmage. So I, McLaren's a low end number two for me. Debo is kind of a desperation number.

[Host / Moderator]

Three. Anyone disagree? So is Terry McLaurin ahead of the Michael Wilson, Zay Flowers, Christian Watson, Tedro McMillan.

[Jamie]

Group? He's in that mix. I, I, I'd still start Wilson over him, but he's right behind those guys.

[Dave]

Right. I've got Zay ahead of him too, but yeah, I've got him ahead of Ted Row and ahead of.

[Host / Moderator]

Watson. Okay. And Debo, like Debo or Wondale.

[Dave]

Robinson? Wanda, I said Diva was, it was a desperation number three. Why are you asking about.

[Host / Moderator]

Wando? Because he sucks. I don't know. I don't.

[Dave]

Know. One bad game, you're.

[Heath]

Bad. Wanda was going to be like a, a low end number two.

[Host / Moderator]

Receiver.

[Heath]

Okay. It's all send PPR. Who? Oh, McLaurin over Wandell for.

[Jamie]

Me. I think they're, they're very close. McLaurin has a higher.

[Dave]

Ceiling. Yeah, for sure. I've got Wendell.

[Host / Moderator]

Higher. Okay. Would you start both McLaurin in a half PPR league? Would you start both McLaurin and Debo Samuel over Chris.

[Jamie]

Rodriguez? Yeah. I mean, well, is Quinn and Williams playing.

[Host / Moderator]

Right? We're still not sure. He was estimated as limited. We don't.

[Heath]

Know. So they're saying it's a neck. They've, they've discarded the concussion label from the injury.

[Host / Moderator]

Report. Is that the answer Is that we start Rodriguez if Williams plays or we consider Rodriguez. Williams if Williams. Sorry. If Williams doesn't play, we consider Rodriguez. If he does play, we don't consider.

[Jamie]

Him. I don't think it should be don't play Rodriguez. It's just the numbers are awful for running backs against Dallas with Quinn and Williams. And so this is a touchdown or a bus guy. I mean, he's not going to be involved in the passing game. He is not going to go for 100 plus yards unless Williams is out and then just, you know, feed him over and over again. But with Williams flex at best, without Williams, borderline number two running back, like that's the, the.

[Dave]

Difference. Half ppr. Right now I've got Rodriguez ahead of.

[Jamie]

Debo.

[Heath]

Okay. I don't know if I could pull the trigger on that. It's just Rodriguez, if he doesn't score, it's really bad. And we can say the same thing about Debo, but at least Debo will get some catches. Johnson could keep his passes short. He's not known as a downfield gunslinger to begin with. But like, I would take Corum easily over.

[Jamie]

Rodriguez. I would take same.

[Host / Moderator]

Guy. Yeah.

[Heath]

Yeah. But I'd rather have the one taking on. Well, I'd rather have the one playing on a winning team that could have a lead against Atlanta than I would be in case Washington just gets the doors blown off and crossing Merit's going to get some run too. That'll take some work away from Rodriguez. I can't get excited about Rodriguez no matter whether or not Quinn and Williams.

[Host / Moderator]

Plays. If Mariota were out, would anybody want to start the Cowboys.

[Jamie]

Dst? I mean, they're so.

[Heath]

Bad. They're so bad. I can't do.

[Host / Moderator]

It. Yeah, they're.

[Jamie]

Horrible. You mean. Just mentioned the interception rate for Johnson. So there'll be some. I mean, look, this is still a guy that's 39 years old and hasn't played in forever.

[Host / Moderator]

So. I know. That's why I'm a little nervous about McLaurin as a number two. I, I mean, there, there are never that many trustworthy wide.

[Dave]

Receivers. But like this, if Johnson starts, I'll start the Cowboys. And like it's. You just said, the, the key wide receiver has been awful this year. Wide receiver is awful this.

[Jamie]

Week.

[Host / Moderator]

Yeah. I was like looking at Nico Collins, for example. Nico Collins is wide receiver 11 per game this year. Last year, with his point total, he would have been, I think, wide receiver 17 per game. It's just such a bad year for receivers. Okay, questions from the Chat. Prescott or.

[Heath]

Stafford?

[Dave]

Stafford. Stafford's my QB.

[Jamie]

One. I think I have Prescott one spot higher, but I think I need to switch.

[Host / Moderator]

That. Prescott or.

[Jamie]

Lawrence?

[Dave]

Prescott.

[Heath]

Dak. I have Dak as of now. Don't hold me to.

[Host / Moderator]

It. Jalen. Warren or no Tyler Warren, Ferguson or Hunter.

[Jamie]

Henry?

[Dave]

Henry. I'm going.

[Heath]

Warren. Time to play the.

[Host / Moderator]

Game. Double H and Ferguson or Fanon? We're going Fanning. Come on, Debo. Mac, Hollins or Brenton Strange?

[Jamie]

Ppr.

[Dave]

Debo. I kind of like Matt Collins this.

[Heath]

Week. I kind of do too. These.

[Host / Moderator]

Three. All right, it sounds like we're leaning Debo, Purdy or Dak? We're going Dak.

[Jamie]

Only. Only if Booty's out though. You can't go. Holland's a booty.

[Host / Moderator]

Place. We're going dad over Purdy.

[Heath]

Right? I have a ranked that way right.

[Host / Moderator]

Now. How about Burrow or.

[Heath]

Dak? Burrow is my QB.

[Host / Moderator]

One. Okay. Ferguson or Taysom.

[Jamie]

Hill? Ferguson. Both.

[Dave]

Close. Ferguson. I'm. I'm very hopeful that the. The Taysom Hill thing was just to get him that Whatever. I guess you could call it a record. Yeah.

[Host / Moderator]

Sure. McLaurin, Ramandre or.

[Jamie]

Hampton by a mile. If there's no Travion, I go Hampton over both. If Trevion plays, I'd go.

[Heath]

Hampton. If Vidal. Vidal is out. If Vidal is out, Travion is out. Then it's Hampton. If Vidal is in and Trayvon.

[Dave]

Is out, then I'd go Ramadre, Ramondre, Hampton.

[Host / Moderator]

McLaurin. All right, and then last one. McLaurin. Stefan Diggs, Jameson Williams, Juwan Jennings. Pick.

[Jamie]

Two. Jennings and McLaren for.

[Dave]

Me. Jennings and JMO for.

[Heath]

Me. Me.

[Host / Moderator]

Too. Okay, that is it for that game. Let's go on to time for Thursday, mid afternoon.

[Heath]

Football. No, no, no, no, no.

[Host / Moderator]

No. Okay, so Detroit at Minnesota. A couple things to look back at here. Before Minnesota went on this crazy run of allowing one touchdown pass in their last seven games, they faced Jared Goff and he scored 23.4 fantasy points. In week nine, he scored. He threw 37 passes. The two weeks before that. They were terrible. So golf was the last quarterback who did well against Minnesota. The other thing. I mentioned this earlier. These two teams met in Detroit in week 18 last year. Jared Goff had scored 28 or more fantasy points in four straight games. 14 touchdowns to one interception in those games. He was the hottest quarterback in the NFL in that game against Minnesota. He threw two picks, one touchdown, scored 11.2 fantasy points in a 319 win. And the nine is obviously the Big concern here because of Brosmer. It would last. Remember, Darnold had a horrible game and Minnesota was second best against quarterbacks last year. And, and it's a lot, a lot of parallels, a lot of similarities between that game and going into it and this game. All right, we talked enough about golf. Just go rewind the podcast if you want to hear it. But he's, you know, like a borderline starter. For Dave and Jamie. No, for Dave and Heath. And a sit for Jamie. All right. We can't even think about David Montgomery. I assume he just gets hardly any work. We're gonna start Jameer Gibbs. But there's actually a lot working against him. He's wouldn't be a shock if he had now. Forget it, forget.

[Heath]

It.

[Dave]

Just. He might only score 18 fantasy points. It's a real.

[Heath]

Risk. Yeah, I do not have him as a top three running.

[Host / Moderator]

Back. He scored 5.8 fantasy points against them in their first matchup and they've, they've been actually not that great against the run. But the Vikings allow the fewest receiving yards per game to running backs. Whatever. You're gonna start Gibbs and sit Montgomery. Okay, Jamie, let's talk about these wide receivers, the scenarios with and without. Because you are by far the lowest on JMO with and without Amanra St.

[Jamie]

Brown. You're still starting him and I think you're still starting jmo. It's just, you know, the high end production from a touchdown perspective is not there if they're not giving up passing touchdowns. Obviously it tells you what the rece receivers are doing against them. So in the case of St. Brown, look, he should have had a much better game last week as we're all aware based on how the end of the game was, pass interference calls, you know, whatever, you know, ruining his, his finish. But he's too good to sit and still has so much upside. Golf's gonna throw a touchdown. The streak is going to end. He's gonna, he's gonna get one. Will he get two? That's the, that's the question here. So I look at the, the, the game before the streak started. Lamar Jackson, 18 fantasy points. That's the number I'm counting on for golf to be in that range. And so who's going to lose out here? I think it's JMO because I don't think he finds the end zone. Could he still get you 80 plus yards? Sure. So still a number two receiver. I mean, you know, the guys that you were asking are just happen to be players that I still like in the same range, you know, so McMillan and flowers and Wilson and those guys, they're all ranked in a similar range. I just don't think this is a great game for Jameson Williams because of who he's.

[Host / Moderator]

Facing. Question from the chat. Diggs or Jameson.

[Jamie]

Williams? I would go digs if the other guys are out for. For New England, he's chasing another half a million dollars. Like this is. This is a guy definitely plays for. For his money at this.

[Heath]

Point. What is. What does he need to do to get.

[Jamie]

It? He needs four more catches and I don't know the yards, but four more catches to get to.

[Heath]

80. Man. He needs it in the next two games.

[Jamie]

And. Well, no, then he gets. There's another. There's another escalator to 90 catches. So he needed two or three going into last week's game to get to 70. Ends up with 76. Like he's. He's chasing dollars right.

[Host / Moderator]

Now. All right, so Heath, you have Jamo.

[Dave]

Eighth. I think he's down to 12th now. But I just. I can't sit him. He's been so good since Dan Campbell took over. Play calling. They've really just turned this offense into Gig Gibbs, St, Brown, jmo, which makes sense. Those are your best.

[Host / Moderator]

Players. He has. I think he has nine or more targets in four straight games. Every wide receiver that has had eight or more targets against Minnesota has scored 15.7 or more PPR fantasy points. But the problem is there's only been five of them. Right? Teams just don't really throw on Minnesota and you know, they don't see a lot of. They see the second fewest past attempts per game. But here's Jameson Williams in tough matchups. First of all, he scored 16.6 fantasy points against the Vikings. He is one of only two wide receivers in the last eight games against the Eagles to score more than 11 and a half PPR fantasy points. He scored 19.7 against the Eagles. He scored 26.9 fantasy points against Green Bay. Even though Green. That was without aman Rusty Brown. He had 70 yards against Pittsburgh in their previous five games. The Steelers were great against the Bengals receivers, the Bears receivers, the Bills receivers, the Dolphins. None of those guys had 70 yards. So Jamo's been outperforming the matchups lately. I just feel like Vikings are going to score 10 points. That's. They. They scored 27 points with McCarthy last time, but I'm really concerned about.

[Heath]

Them. What's.

[Jamie]

Their. This guy is so much.

[Host / Moderator]

Worse. He is. He.

[Heath]

Is.

[Host / Moderator]

Yes. Yeah. What is Their.

[Heath]

Implied. So we did have one great throw to Jefferson for like 21 yards last.

[Host / Moderator]

Week. That was more of a great catch, wasn't it? On the.

[Heath]

Sideline? A little bit of both. Yeah. But yeah, his off target rate is pretty.

[Jamie]

High.

[Heath]

He. Do you have the implied total for the Vikings.

[Dave]

Heath? I, I do. I've got it for, for everyone. The Vikings 18, the Lions 25 and a.

[Heath]

Half. It really underscores the point that there's a chance that the Lions won't have to throw a.

[Host / Moderator]

Ton.

[Heath]

Yeah. And that, that that's a reason to kind of lower expectations a little bit more on top of the.

[Dave]

Matchup. I will say in past, in past seasons, 18 would be a lot worse relative to everyone else than it maybe is this year just because we've had. I mean the Chiefs implied total is 12, the Panthers 17. Browns is 15. I think it's 18 for the Steelers. Like there's just a lot of teams in that range.

[Heath]

Now. The Chiefs are lower than the.

[Dave]

Browns. Well, I mean the Chiefs have a. Oh, I know. Third string quarterback. I guess the Browns do.

[Heath]

Too. Yeah. But their third stringer is better than the Chief's third stringer. But.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Host / Moderator]

Wow. It's still, it's facing.

[Dave]

Dan. I mean the Chief. The Chiefs future Hall of Famer tight end is old enough to be the Browns future Hall of Fame tight.

[Host / Moderator]

Ends. Dad. Oh man. I don't think Najoku is going to the hall of Fame, Heath. So yeah, let's, let's. If I'm on Ross A. Brown were out. By the way. I'm sure JMO would get a boost for everyone. So let's keep that in mind. We're not going to start the Lions tight ends. Now on the other side, we're certainly not going to start Brosmer. Are we going to start Aaron Jones? Jamie, any interest in Aaron Jones assuming Jordan Mason is.

[Jamie]

Out? Yeah. I mean look, the Detroit run defense was completely awful last week and Jones is going to get the majority of the touches. If Mason's not there, I don't think Xavier Scott factors in in a big way. Right. So you don't love that he's not 100. You don't love the quarterback situation. And obviously Detroit, whatever slim playoff hopes they're clinging to, they need to win this game. So this could be a bloodbath for the entire Minnesota offense because of who's under center. But I think you got to look at Jones as a number two running back. Hopefully he's going to get some catches. Hopefully Kevin o' Connell's creative with their, you know, rushing attack here, but it's not, it's not a, like the guys we talked about from tough calls perspective. Like he's in that range of Bucky Irving and Tony Pollard and, and those guys and you can make cases for and against all of them versus Jones. I just think you're hoping for the workload here to sort of carry through for Jones and it to, to be mostly a run heavy attack for Minnesota because that's the only way they have a chance to win this.

[Dave]

Game. I just like. And I think he's 18th in the projections for me. So that's, that's pretty good. That's a, that's a start. But when I, when you start thinking about floor and upside, I think it really hurts Aaron Jones just because it seems like even when he plays games there's a, a section of the game where he has to leave banged up. And we know he's not healthy and he's older and he's not been healthy for a long time. So the floor's really, really low for.

[Heath]

Jones.

[Host / Moderator]

Yeah. And the ceiling's probably not that high. Obviously we could always be wrong about that. He could score three touchdowns. But they imply that would be more than their implied total. So. Right. You got to think about that. The Rams, the Lions run defense has been kind of leaky. I'd say three of the last four games with the Rams ran all over them. Josh Jacobs had a pretty solid game. So it's in a better matchup.

[Heath]

Lately. The back end of their defense is atrocious. Like you know about all the injuries that they have at safety and cornerback and you think, oh, they're going to be terrible against the pass and they have been. But those guys are out of position all the time against the run at least last week and the Steelers blocked them up really well. But it's a problem. That's the difference between a bunch of like four and five yard runs and a bunch of 45 yard runs like, like Jaylen Warren had last week. Well, so there's a chance for Aaron Jones for.

[Host / Moderator]

Sure. But there's also a chance for Justin Jefferson then or Jordan Addison because this is a brilliant matchup as the Lions allow the second most fantasy points to wide receivers. Does anybody want to start a vikings wide.

[Dave]

Receiver? 1, 2.

[Jamie]

No. Imagine saying that sentence to start of the.

[Dave]

Season.

[Host / Moderator]

Unbelievable.

[Jamie]

Unbelievable. I mean, like I, you know, we have Justin Jefferson in a 14 team league going against Dave. We have to start him. You know, like it's, I hate it. But it's.

[Dave]

Good. You know what, you know what you really don't want is an interception rate that is higher than your yards per attempt and it's a very low number of passes. But Max Brosmer has thrown 47 passes. He has an 8.5 interception rate with four interceptions. On those 47 passes. He is averaging 4.7 yards per pass.

[Host / Moderator]

Attempt. Oh my.

[Dave]

Gosh. Like the. The worst quarterbacks are much better than.

[Heath]

This. So is the best case scenario a 10 target 8 catch 70 yard game for Justin.

[Dave]

Jefferson? No, I think the best case scenario is Justin Jeffers catches a hitch and the Lions got secondary. Whoever's covering him falls down and Justin Jefferson runs for a touchdown, takes off. Like the idea that he might catch eight of ten.

[Host / Moderator]

Passes. Right? Yeah, but remember Brosmer? I mean going to Seattle, one of the hardest places to play in your first ever start, will be more challenging than facing the Lions at home. But he's. Yeah, we're not. We.

[Dave]

Have. I mean he averaged 5.8 attempts against 3 yards per attempt against the.

[Host / Moderator]

Giants. There you go. Booyah. Jefferson or Troy Franklin? Half.

[Jamie]

Ppr. I think I have him back to back right now. Right now. Jefferson's.

[Dave]

Ahead. I have Jefferson. I.

[Host / Moderator]

Heard. All right, these are chat questions, by the way. Montgomery or Dylan.

[Jamie]

Sampson? We won't probably know the answer to that. So you gotta.

[Heath]

Go. How about this? If Samson is practicing Wednesday in full, you can feel pretty good about his chances to play. I don't think he'll be of like the every down back for Cleveland. I think Sanders will mix in and I'd be a little worried about Sanders, who's a bigger back working at the goal line. But yeah, I think if we. I think if we see Sampson practicing in full by Wednesday and maybe a word about it on Thursday before the Lions play. Sampson's the.

[Jamie]

Pick. I'll tell you right now, I have Travion Williams one spot behind Dave Montgomery right.

[Dave]

Now in full ppr. I would start both Sanders and Travion over Montgomery if Sampson was out. But we won't know that.

[Heath]

Either.

[Host / Moderator]

Yeah. Okay. Hertz or Jared Goff. Hurts rank these three DSTs. Lions, Texans.

[Heath]

Rams. Texans, Rams.

[Dave]

Lines. I have it. Texans, Rams, Lions. All of them. Top.

[Jamie]

12.

[Host / Moderator]

Yep. I forgot to mention the lions. DSTA can add them. Justin Jefferson or Parker Washington still.

[Dave]

Jefferson.

[Host / Moderator]

Yeah. Michael Wilson, Jameson Williams, Jalen Waddle, Stefan Diggs. Pick.

[Heath]

Two. The first two for.

[Dave]

Me.

[Jamie]

Yep. Wilson and Digs for.

[Host / Moderator]

Me. You guys are going with them over Jalen.

[Heath]

Waddle. Okay.

[Host / Moderator]

Just. That's cool. Just making sure. And Woody Marks or Aaron.

[Jamie]

Jones?

[Heath]

Jones.

[Host / Moderator]

Agreed. All right, it is time now for Thursday Night Football. Denver's at Kansas.

[Jamie]

City. Keith, how you feeling about the stadium.

[Dave]

Thing? I, I was just, I was trying to really have a positive show, Jamie. I was trying to, to bring positive energy. I think it's an absolute disaster. I don't care about the Missouri, Kansas State line thing. I grew up close to the state line and I cheered for the Kansas Jayhawks. So it obviously didn't bother me. But I just think going to a smaller dome stadium and pissing off a bunch of your fans and probably charging 30% more for seats and having a bunch of corporate boxes. I think you got five years left of Kansas City having a significant home field advantage and then they probably.

[Host / Moderator]

Won'T. Home field advantage is the most overrated thing in, in.

[Dave]

Sports. It is in a lot of places. But. And this could be wrong, like maybe I just think that the type. There's still three or four games a year in Kansas City where you can get in for under $50 because it's outside and the weather sucks. And I think the people who are excited about those kinds of deals are going to provide a much different environment than the people that are excited to go watch a game in a box, in a.

[Host / Moderator]

Dome. Yeah, it's, it's very possible. I, I think a lot of teams like they, like the Giant, the Giants, you could say they have this right. They went from a kind of a smaller, not small, but smaller stadium to this huge stadium that's cavernous and people think they don't have this home feel of it. They've sucked every year, basically. They've been in MetLife. So no one really.

[Dave]

Knows. Well, yeah, I mean like, I think the whole idea, like they must have thought when they built that stadium that you could turn the turf monster on and off and it just turns out it takes out their players.

[Host / Moderator]

Too. Exactly. Oh, that turf. All right. Denver's a Kansas City starter. Sit Bonix. Dave Richard, low end.

[Heath]

Starter. I still think the, the Chiefs are going to try on defense. They certainly did last week with their pass rush at bare minimum. And that's kind of been the Achilles heel for Bo Nicks. When he's under pressure, his efficiency goes down and it feels like it's an RJ Harvey game anyway. So I, it's, it's a real tough call for me between Goff and Nicks, but I'd lean.

[Host / Moderator]

Golf. Golf, Nick. Okay. Knicks, I, last I checked was 13th for everybody in the rankings. I will Double check. Is that.

[Heath]

Right?

[Dave]

Yep. Yeah, it's very. Is for.

[Host / Moderator]

Me. 13th, right in between Mayfield and Herbert for Heath. Right in between Herbert and Shuck for Dave. Right in between Shuck and Golf for Jamie. So Nick's is okay. RJ Harvey like or love this.

[Jamie]

Week?

[Heath]

Love. Like a.

[Host / Moderator]

Milkshake. Yeah. Top 10. Is anybody. Is anybody concerned that he only had seven carries last.

[Jamie]

Week? I mean, they were behind, which is rare against at home. At least they're not going to be chasing points here. This should be a potentially huge RJ Harvey game. So, no, I'm not worried about what last week was. And the Jaguars run defense is.

[Host / Moderator]

Good. Yeah. But we heard Sean Payton say, I want to get Jaleel McLaughlin more involved. And Harvey had seven carries. McLaughlin had.

[Jamie]

Five. I mean, he was coming back from a rib injury that we were even concerned if he was going to play.

[Host / Moderator]

So. Okay. So there you go. Cortland Sutton is a must start. Troy Franklin is apparently right there with Justin Jefferson. He's in the mix. Would you start Troy Franklin or Bucky Irving?

[Dave]

Bucky.

[Jamie]

Bucky. Bucky. But it's close. All.

[Host / Moderator]

Right. Gonna look for some chat questions, which I'll read in a little bit. Would you start Troy Franklin or Jalen.

[Dave]

Waddle? Yeah, you should like Park. He's just behind for me, Parker Washington. So that's kind of gives you the range. She is that desperation. Wide receiver.

[Heath]

Three. There you.

[Host / Moderator]

Go.

[Heath]

Okay.

[Host / Moderator]

Should. He shouldn't be higher than that with Pat Bryant.

[Jamie]

Out. He is for.

[Host / Moderator]

Me. Where is he for.

[Jamie]

You? Like.

[Host / Moderator]

28. It's Troy Franklin we're talking about here and the Chiefs. Yeah, I think they've been kind of an okay matchup actually recently. They're now 14th against wide.

[Jamie]

Receivers. Three of the last five quarterbacks against them over 20 fantasy.

[Dave]

Points. You just can't. Look, I don't think at most of the Chiefs like a season. I don't know who's going to play in this.

[Host / Moderator]

Game. Yeah, McDuffie's probably out. He hasn't been.

[Heath]

Practicing. Anybody with a boo.

[Jamie]

Boo? I mean, for what. For what it's worth, the Broncos essentially had this game already against Kansas City in Week 18 last year, and Bonex went for 40 fantasy.

[Host / Moderator]

Points. It wasn't quite that. I mean, they sat all their starters in that.

[Jamie]

Game.

[Dave]

It's. It's not far off. It's. No, it's. It's basically the same.

[Host / Moderator]

Thing. Are you starting the same thing.

[Heath]

Then? We're grossly.

[Jamie]

Undervaluing. I think the one thing in. In the case of Franklin and Sutton is. Bo Nix has not been a great fantasy quarterback lately because he hasn't scored touchdowns, but four of his last five games he's been 295 passing yards or more. And so his receivers are getting plenty of yards. And so depending on your format, that should be good for. In the case of Sutton, he's just been solid. I think it was the game before the buy and then since the buy for Franklin, it's been recently when no Pat Bryant or limited Pat Bryant and I don't think we're gonna get Pat Brian, unfortunately because of what happened. So wouldn't shock me if Nicks has a huge game here if he gets the touchdowns. And Ken Moore just kind of gave you a blueprint for how a mediocre quarterback can play against his chief.

[Host / Moderator]

Defense. I got some good chat questions here, but before we get to that, are there any Chiefs players that you want to.

[Dave]

Start? Kelsey's the only one in consideration. I don't want to start him, but I don't know that I can find a better option. I think it's one of the most difficult things like narrative versus the probable. Reality is I think this is most likely Kelsey's last game at Everhood. I think they probably would love to force feed him. They tried to force feed him at the start of last week and Gardner Minshew couldn't get the ball to his hand. He kept throwing it to his feet. So I don't know against the best defense in the NFL if a third string quarterback can get the ball to him. I think they'll try.

[Host / Moderator]

To. Well, if Rashid Rice plays and.

[Dave]

His best game of the year came against this.

[Host / Moderator]

Defense. Yeah, I mean I. I'm pretty much taking a no Chiefs policy here. Even though Pacheco. It's worth mentioning. Pacheco was like dominating snapshot. He had six catches, I believe. Yeah, six catches for 41 yards, eight carries for 34 yards. He had 13 catches in his first 11 games. Pacheco and then six last week. And obviously with Ola Doken at quarterback he might be checking. What's.

[Dave]

That? It's the Chief's third string.

[Host / Moderator]

Quarterback. Well, I didn't say his full name. Rashi Rice. If he plays, I will point out that he has not been good in tough matchups this year. Really? Even with Patrick Mahomes, including.

[Jamie]

Just. Just rewind to what we said about Justin Jefferson and apply it to Rashi Rice. Like there's. You can't trust.

[Dave]

Him. This will probably make me look stupid in like six hours. But I just don't see any possibility that Rishi Rice plays. He's in the concussion protocol still. Yeah, he has not had a limited practice yet. You have to have a limited practice day and a full practice day. I don't know in what universe he could.

[Host / Moderator]

Play. Okay, fair enough. Then let's read some. Let's read some chat questions here. Start to RJ Harvey, Woody Marks, Amarian Hampton, Michael Wilson, half.

[Dave]

Ppr. Harvey and.

[Heath]

Hampton. I'm with you.

[Jamie]

Harvey. Harvey and.

[Host / Moderator]

Hampton. What if Videl.

[Heath]

Plays? You could pivot to Wilson. I guess that's probably the right thing to do from.

[Host / Moderator]

Hampton. Okay, pick.

[Dave]

Three. Probably still be Harvey and.

[Host / Moderator]

Hampton. Corland, Sutton, Mike Evans, CD Lamb, Drake, London, Teterell, McMillan. Pick three, first.

[Jamie]

Three. Okay, that's probably the right.

[Dave]

Answer. Yep. London and Evans are really close for.

[Host / Moderator]

Me. Oh, well, this is even weirder. Let's start two. Sutton, Evans, London. I guess. I don't know. Let's be easier. This is the. Sutton and Evans. London is obviously not. They even acknowledge he's not 100 healthy. So Troy Franklin or Michael.

[Heath]

Wilson?

[Jamie]

Wilson.

[Host / Moderator]

Wilson. I don't know why I clicked on this one, but Olave, Pickens or.

[Heath]

Abuka Olave. Nah.

[Jamie]

Pickens. I would love to know who you're sitting. To not be able to play Olave and Pickens. It's got to be like Puka or something like.

[Heath]

That. Like, those could be a stop. Oh, yeah, that's.

[Jamie]

True.

[Heath]

Yeah. You gotta have a stud in there.

[Host / Moderator]

Yeah. There's always JSN, right? JSN's on a lot.

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Of.

[Dave]

Yeah. I mean, well, there's not a. Were any of these guys picked in the first four.

[Host / Moderator]

Rounds?

[Jamie]

No. Olavian Pickens were probably, like, round six.

[Dave]

Ish. Right. So he could have. He could have three other great.

[Host / Moderator]

Receivers. How about Nicks or Bay or Baker?

[Jamie]

Mayfield. I'd go Mayfield. About this.

[Host / Moderator]

Close. Dave says Bo. Jamie says Mayfield. Heath, Break the.

[Dave]

Tie. I check my rankings tomorrow morning, but currently I have Mayfield. If that one's that. That section of the quarterback rankings will be really what I'm spending my Christmas morning.

[Host / Moderator]

On. Franklin or.

[Jamie]

Pitman?

[Heath]

Franklin. Yeah, Franklin's. Right.

[Host / Moderator]

Answer. Okay. And last one. Nicks or.

[Jamie]

Brissette?

[Dave]

Jacoby. Going right back to.

[Host / Moderator]

Jacoby. What are we eating for Christmas here? What's our. What's on the.

[Heath]

Menu?

[Dave]

Chinese. So our. Our tradition in the morning is we have cinnamon rolls and bacon and blueberry muffins every. Every Christmas morning. And then tomorrow night, doing something less traditional. I'm smoking.

[Jamie]

Wings.

[Host / Moderator]

Okay. I like that. Yeah, I. So we're doing Christmas Eve tonight, and I don't know what the final vote everybody is. Sorry, we're celebrating. Sorry. We're celebrating Christmas tonight. We're doing. We're not celebrating. We're not. We're seeing the family tonight, not tomorrow. And we're either doing. There's definitely gonna be a roast and there's either gonna be a ham or a turkey. And I voted ham, but I don't know what it's gonna. What would you have voted for? It was either roast and ham or roast and.

[Jamie]

Turkey. I mean, he told you Thanksgiving. What he does. He only eats turkey on.

[Dave]

Thanksgiving. Yeah. Christmas is a ham.

[Host / Moderator]

Holiday. It is, but I, I think I would have got ham and turkey. I feel like roast and ham are. I don't know. I. I feel like you need.

[Dave]

One. Is it a beef roast or a pork.

[Host / Moderator]

Roast? Probably. I think it's going to be a beef.

[Dave]

Roast. So then I think the ham's.

[Host / Moderator]

Fine. I think maybe you go white. You go one white meat, one red meat. But I voted ham, so let's just red meat it up and rock and roll. I hope everybody has an amazing.

[Jamie]

Holiday. We'd be very proud of.

[Host / Moderator]

You.

[Jamie]

Who? Dan would be very proud of.

[Host / Moderator]

You.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Host / Moderator]

What?

[Jamie]

He.

[Host / Moderator]

No. Pork is. Is red meat. It's not white.

[Jamie]

Meat. No, but he was advocating for.

[Host / Moderator]

More. No, no, no. He has a look on his face like he's about to correct me. And pork.

[Dave]

Is. Pork is red.

[Host / Moderator]

Meat. Don't let the advertising fool.

[Dave]

You. The other white meat.

[Host / Moderator]

It'S. It's clearly not. It's. It's advertising, boy. All right, so anyway, having a great holiday. Merry Christmas, happy holidays to everybody and we'll talk to you tomorrow at 8:30am Dave will be in his pajamas. I hope. Hope Thursday goes well for y' all and yeah, we'll see. Yes, pork is red meat. Give me a break. Are you.

[Heath]

Kidding? Google.

[Host / Moderator]

It. Pork. What is. Is pork white meat or red meat? It's red meat. The USDA says it's red meat. Goodbye.

[Heath]

Everybody. Merry.

[Jamie]

Christmas. Paramount.

[Dave]

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