Week 17 Tough Calls, SEA-CHI Preview and Emails! (12/25 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today: Week 17 Tough Calls, SEA-CHI Preview and Emails! Released on December 25, 2024

Hosts:

• Adam Aizer
• Dave Richard
• Jamey Eisenberg
• Heath Cummings

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Holiday Greetings and Opening Banter (02:14 - 05:05)

The episode kicks off with festive greetings as the hosts celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, and the upcoming New Year. Adam Aizer humorously shares his struggles with gift wrapping, setting a lighthearted tone for the holiday season.

Notable Quote:

• Adam Aizer (04:18): "Unwrapping the present is really fun. You got to put it on like adults."

Quick Email of the Day (05:05 - 06:00)

The first email comes from Luke, a passionate Detroit Lions fan conflicted about wearing his Jameer Gibbs jersey against an opponent who owns both Gibbs and DeAndre Swift jerseys. The team advises Luke to wear whatever makes him comfortable, emphasizing that jersey choices won’t impact his fantasy performance.

Notable Quote:

• Dave Richard (05:54): "If you've been wearing it to get to the championship, why would you change based on your opponent having the same player?"

Upcoming Content and Future Previews (06:00 - 07:07)

Adam outlines the upcoming Week 18 content, which will incorporate elements of the 2025 fantasy season. This includes early rankings and speculative questions about future games, ensuring the podcast remains relevant for listeners not actively playing in Week 17.

Notable Quote:

• Adam Aizer (06:50): "Not all of it will have some element of 2025 in it. We'll have early rankings at each position, that kind of stuff."

News and Updates (07:07 - 12:14)

The team delves into the latest NFL news:

• Quarterbacks: Updates on Derek Carr being out and Spencer Rattler stepping in against the Raiders DST.
• Injuries: Trey Benson and James Connor limited for the Rams, J.K. Dobbins and Tyrone Tracy’s statuses with the Giants, and Justice Hill out for the Broncos.
• Running Backs: Concerns about offensive line issues affecting James Connor’s performance.
• Tight Ends and Offensive Line Issues: Will Disley’s potential start and multiple offensive linemen out for the Texans and Saints.

Notable Quotes:

• Heath Cummings (07:44): "Derek Carr is out this week, Spencer Rattler will start. They face the Raiders DST this week."
• Dave Richard (10:37): "I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he played the lowest percentage of snaps that he's played in like a month."

Tough Calls: Quarterbacks (12:14 - 22:42)

The hosts discuss tough quarterback decisions for Week 17, focusing on Justin Herbert, Anthony Richardson, Bryce Young, Brock Purdy, and Jordan Love. They weigh the potential performances based on matchups, recent performances, and team dynamics.

Notable Quotes:

• Dave Richard (13:16): "Justin Herbert is a borderline top 12 quarterback. Not necessarily a slam dunk. Must start. He's debatable."
• Heath Cummings (16:44): "He ended up with a pretty good game, 25.1 points against the Dolphins, but he had one of his lowest a dots of the year."

Tough Calls: Running Backs (22:42 - 33:14)

Discussion shifts to running backs, highlighting Breece Hall and Rashad White as tough choices. Concerns about offensive line performance and individual player efficiencies are examined, particularly focusing on Breece Hall’s lack of explosive plays since Week 6 and Rashad White’s inconsistent usage.

Notable Quotes:

• Jamey Eisenberg (28:06): "It's crap. That's crazy."
• Dave Richard (30:07): "I think he's not right at all and that's what makes him a tough call."

Tough Calls: Wide Receivers (33:14 - 45:38)

The conversation moves to wide receivers like Drake London, Malik Neighbors, Juwan Jennings, and Jameson Williams. The hosts evaluate their matchups, target shares, and potential impacts from defensive strategies, especially against strong defenses like Washington’s.

Notable Quotes:

• Jamey Eisenberg (36:07): "He's still going to be a number two running back in full PPR rather than non-PPR."
• Dave Richard (43:05): "Look at you jamming out. There were a lot of candidates for game of the week."

Tough Call: Tight Ends and Final Week Analysis (45:38 - 58:37)

The hosts briefly touch on tight ends before diving deeper into the Week 17 matchup between Seattle and Chicago. They analyze quarterback performances, offensive strategies, and defensive weaknesses, particularly focusing on Caleb Williams and his potential impact against the Bears.

Notable Quotes:

• Dave Richard (52:57): "I'm fairly high on him as well. Really was encouraged by what we saw last week."
• Jamey Eisenberg (58:37): "It's a guy like McMillan off the waiver wire. So number three receiver, but not a lot of faith."

Read-Aloud Emails and Final Decisions (58:37 - 65:41)

The hosts read and respond to listener emails, offering personalized advice on player selections and tough lineup decisions. They address specific dilemmas, such as choosing between different wide receivers and running backs, providing consensus opinions and highlighting key factors influencing their choices.

Notable Quotes:

• Heath Cummings (59:15): "I think I'll go with Pickens."
• Dave Richard (64:57): "Chase Brown."

Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts (65:04 - End)

As the episode wraps up, the hosts share final thoughts on standout performances and upcoming fantasy considerations. They wish listeners a Merry Christmas and encourage continued engagement with the podcast for future fantasy insights.

Notable Quote:

• Adam Aizer (65:38): "Merry Christmas, everybody."

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Key Takeaways:

• Quarterback Decisions: Justin Herbert remains a tough start-or-sit option, with Brock Purdy and Jordan Love presenting viable alternatives based on matchups and recent performances.
• Running Backs Under Scrutiny: Breece Hall’s limited explosive plays and Rashad White’s inconsistent usage make them challenging choices for Week 17.
• Wide Receiver Evaluations: Drake London and Juwan Jennings are highlighted as potential starters, but defensive matchups and target distributions complicate decisions.
• Week 17 SEA-CHI Preview: The Seattle vs Chicago game is analyzed for its fantasy implications, focusing on quarterback performances and defensive vulnerabilities.

This comprehensive summary captures the essence of the "Fantasy Football Today" podcast episode, providing listeners with detailed insights and discussions to aid their fantasy football strategies for Week 17.

Transcript

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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

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No.

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Some things never change.

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All right, you know, what's your friend?

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Gift bags are your friend.

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Gift. No, this thing is huge. Like, I'm excited.

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Gift bag.

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It's just easier, right?

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But you're probably paying, like, an extra $50 or whatever it is. It gives a damn.

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It's fine.

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[Fantasy Football Host 2]

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[Fantasy Football Host 1]

The Star Trek store.

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All right. Email at fantasy football cbsi.com Luke H. Says I am a big Detroit Lions fan and I wear my Jameer Gibbs jersey every Sunday. The only other Lions jersey to that I own is a DeAndre Swift jersey. My opponent in the championship has both Gibbs and Swift. The question is, do I wear my jersey this week?

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Yeah, wear whatever you want. It's not going to change a damn thing with your fantasy.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

If you if you've been wearing it to get to the championship, why would you change based on your opponent having the same player?

[Hyundai Representative]

And Dave, I resent that response from you. You're the guy who told everyone to pick up Chris Godwin.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Well, but that makes sense.

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Oh, okay. Yeah, good point. Here's what's coming up this week. It's a pretty normal week. You know, we got a mailbag, we got the Sunday morning stuff that we always tell you about. You can join us 10am Eastern on CBS Sports HQ, 11:30am Eastern. YouTube.com fantasy football today. But next week, week 18, we will do a pretty normal week in terms of we'll do waiver wire, we'll do tough calls, we'll do start sit, all that. But all of it will have some element of 2025 in it. We'll have early rankings at each position, that kind of stuff. So when we preview the games, I'll ask one question about 2025 for each game, that kind of stuff. So if you are not playing in week 18, which is most of you, we still will have important content for you next week. So don't.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

We should also do a little bit more DFS to.

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Give anybody that still wants to have some fantasy fun. I'm going to be sending emails out to everybody for their rankings for 2025 as we usually do. So should have hopefully a buffet of people's rankings.

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[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Yeah, I haven't thought about it.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

It's gonna be hard to move Jamar Chase for me.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Yeah, I get that for sure. And this is probably a good time to remind everybody that's still listening that we do off season shows what is like three times a week. Minimum.

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So we're gonna get to work on 20, 25 pretty quickly, everybody.

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All right. Sorry for five minutes of no fantasy content. Here we go. News and notes. If Derek Carr is out this week, Spencer Rattler will start. They face the Raiders popular DST this week. I'm sure.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Love that the very first piece of fantasy content we give has to do with the Saints quarterback situation.

[Hyundai Representative]

I'll think of it as the Raiders dst. It's all the quarterbacks. Mason Rudolph is going to start this week for Tennessee at Jacksonville. Drew Locke is going to start for the Giants against the Colts. And Aaron Rodgers is playing through an MCL injury, but he is going to play. So here comes the big news, the running back news. Trey Benson and James Connor were limited. They play on Saturday at the Rams. So a limited practice listed as limited on Tuesday. I don't think teams are practicing today. Maybe. I don't know if any of them are. Maybe some.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

The Giants, for example, had a walkthrough Tuesday to not practice today.

[Hyundai Representative]

Right? Yeah. So anyway, good, good start to the week for James Connor. J.K. dobbins was limited. He has a chance to play this week. Tyrone Tracy. Jamie mentioned the Giants did a walk through because they're not practicing today. Tyrone Tracy was listed as a dnp. So again, you could, you can take a shot at Singletary. If you have someone you don't need on your roster, go ahead, pick them up. You could drop them later in the week if you. If you need to. Denver. Denver's backfield is crazy. They're facing the Bengals on Saturday. Tyler Beatty could play bidet. Right. Tyler could play this week. Jaleel McLaughlin practice. Blake Watson's on the active roster. So I'm sure we're going to be saying don't trust any of these guys. Unless we'd be saying that even if.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Those guys weren't practicing.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah, I mean if, if McLaughlin were out or whatever. Maybe. Maybe. Javon, you're right. Alvin Camara could play this week. We will see. And Justice Hill is out for today's game. Good wide receiver news. Christian Watson just has a bone bruise on his knee so he could play this week at Minnesota. Very interesting game. We're going to talk about Jordan Love as a tough call. Will he throw the ball? That's what guys do against the Vikings. That's not what the packers typically do. Nelson Aguilar is out today and Zay Flowers is questionable so we're expecting Flowers. Keep an eye on it with the inactives. That is the late game, right? That is the late game. The 4:30 game Kansas City Pittsburgh's at 1, Baltimore Houston at 4:30 Eastern tight end news Will Disley practiced so maybe throws confusion into the well now he'd be the starter but you know, the low end. Not not a guy that we want to start well. Disley offensive line Two Texans offensive linemen are out today. Two Saints offensive linemen are going to be out this week. Almost certainly not not a guarantee with Eric McCoy but but likely and Lucas Patrick, offensive guard he's out for the season and both starting tackles for the Cardinals are on ir so keep that in mind. Is that going to affect Your James Connor? R.A. if Connor plays this weekend at the Rams.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

He might not be as high as he would he certainly won't be as high as he was last week. You know, so not 100 dealing with some offensive line issues and facing a actual run defense as opposed to what he faced last week. I think he'll still be a starter though. I can't imagine most people are going to sit James Connery plays but I.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Think you've got a lower expectation significantly. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he played the lowest percentage of snaps that he's played in like a month because he's dealing with an injury because other players are up and because of the offensive line.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Well, potentially other players are up. We don't know if Benson's gonna play right like that.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

That's fair. Like if Benson ends up being inactive then I mean what are they really going to do? They're really going to use like Carter and DJ Dallas for it just it.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Doesn'T I mean that's not going to happen. Obviously if he if he's able to play he should play but like for a guy you just signed to a contract extension that has an injury track record that's playing hurt when you just got eliminated from a franchise standpoint doesn't make much sense to rush him out.

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All right, so I missed a couple things here. Well one Andrea asks in the chat any news on Jalen Hurts? Nope, no news. He's in the concussion protocol but we'll see.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

It's worth mentioning the and this is like a Heath thing the Eagles are double digit point favorites and I don't think they'd be double digit point favorites over Dallas with Kenny Pickett starting. So I almost wonder if the odds makers believe that Hertz is going to.

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Play and Ken Walker. I totally skipped that. So Ken Walker did not practice. Zach Charbonnet is good to go.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Yes.

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You might have Zach Charbonnet on Thursday night in an amazing matchup, winning you a fantasy league right now. Not expecting Ken Walker.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

You can chill out in the. In the cabaret drinking some chardonnay and starting Charbonnet.

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We've talked a lot. A little bit anyway.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Oh, I totally bought and you can tell that like I was practicing it.

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[Fantasy Football Host 1]

The last 30 seconds from my life.

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We talked about Riley Moss. He's the number two cornerback for the Broncos. He's missed the last couple of games. They've been horrible without him. He is practicing in full. So. Bengals. Broncos on Saturday and I can't wait for that game. Yeah, yeah, it's. This should be a good one.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

You're rooting hard for Cincinnati.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I'd like to see the Bengals keep playing. I mean, they're fun to watch.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

They are fun to watch for sure.

[Hyundai Representative]

We keep talking about this. The Bengals. The Bengals. Bengals. How about the Dolphins? The Dolphins have an easy driver's seat.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

And they have a great schedule.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah, yeah. But the Dolphins, like, the Dolphins could sneak in. Like Dolphins need to lose a game for the Bengals to even have a chance.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Right. Dolphins are going to do their thing. They're going to squeak into the playoffs and lose in the first round.

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[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Absolutely smashed.

[Hyundai Representative]

All right, let's get to some tough calls for week 17. We start with the quarterbacks. So this is a list provided by Dave and Jamie. Justin and I threw a couple in there on my own, but Justin Herbert, I was surprised to see him on the tough call list. He's at New England on Saturday and I just figured he'd be a sit Jamie. But you have him as a tough call.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Well, I mean, the Patriots aren't that great of a defense and we know that they still have trouble running the ball. I do think they could run on the Patriots depending on who the running back is. But three straight running backs have gone for at least 96 yards on the ground and so Edwards could plot his way to a decent game, especially falling into the end zone. They could sort of manage their way. I don't want to start Dustin Herbert, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's in that 20 point range just because of how New England's defense is. So he's, he's not an outright sit, you know, but he's not a, he's certainly not somebody I would want to start. I don't have him ranked anywhere close to being a starter, but it wouldn't surprise me if he has a good game.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I haven't ranked close to being a starter. We've seen this Patriots team like three of their last five games over 25 fantasy points to an opposing quarterback. Somehow, some way, they held Josh Allen down last week. I, I don't think they can keep that up. And I, I view Justin Herbert as a, like a borderline top 12 quarterback. Not necessarily like a, a slam dunk. Must start. He's debatable. Versus Purdy. Versus Gino. He's in that low end range. I, I think, I think he's got that chance to get between 20 and 23.

[Hyundai Representative]

Question from the chat. Anthony Richardson at the Giants or Justin Herbert at the Patriots?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Richardson easily for me.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I agree.

[Hyundai Representative]

Okay, how about Bryce Young, the hot waiver wire guy? Or Herbert?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I have Herbert ranked ahead of Young, but to me that's closer than it is to the other guys Dave mentioned. I like all those guys better than Herbert.

[Hyundai Representative]

All right, so Dave's a little higher on Herbert. And you know what? We'll go to Jordan Love in a minute here. Let's talk about Brock Purdy, because, you know, it's Purdy, it's Jennings. It's basically Dave said all of the 49ers except for George Kittle and Garendo was practicing on Tuesday. So they're facing the Lions on Monday or. No, I'm sorry, that was. Garendo was expected to practice this week. Sorry. But anyway, they're facing the Lions.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

We'll find out Thursday on their first practice day. So if you have a tough call with any of the Wednesday running backs, you know, so it sounds positive. So, you know, if you're comparing him to, you're obviously starting Joe Mixon over him. If you're comparing the Steelers guys or the Chiefs guys, I would probably wait it out. Unless, of course, your backup option is, let's say, Patrick Taylor or Craig Reynolds, you know, so if you don't have anybody that's better than Garendo, then you might want to play it safe. But he's in that same range as those guys with probably more upside based on the workload that'll get.

[Hyundai Representative]

All right, if we focus on Purdy here, I've kind of like Started out before I dug into this, being like, I don't know. I don't really want to start Purdy because I watched the game on Sunday. We all did. And I went back and I watched it again this morning and it was. It was ugly. He ended up with a Pretty good game, 25.1 points against the Dolphins, but he had one of his lowest a dots of the year, getting the ball out really quick. Screen after screen after screen. Extremely uninspiring game offensively from the 49ers. Like just, I don't know, didn't look good in my opinion. And Juwan Jennings really suffered from that too, because it was just so much short garbage. And if you look at his. If you look at Brock Purdy's game log, you're not going to see this, but we have true media and you can see time to throw is one of the columns right. It show tells you how many seconds he's getting rid of the ball. A noticeable difference second half of the season compared to first half of the season. So I just wanted to bring that up. But then again, man, what a matchup. What a matchup this is against Detroit. So I got a little bit more excited about Brock Purdy. And the last three quarterbacks have just kind of torched them, so. Or three of the last four anyway.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

At least 26 fantasy points to each.

[Hyundai Representative]

So. Yeah, you feeling who we are we feeling? Brock Purdy.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I like him much better than Herbert. I think just looking at the matchup, you know, you talk about pass rush. Well, the Lions have none. And so he, he's not going to have the same amount of time. His offensive line is still a mess. And I, I mean, again, I'll go back to what I said last week. It happened again. Coming off of a loss. His numbers are always good. I don't know what it is. It's now, you know, lowered a little bit. It was 26 points in his. In four of his last five losses. Now it's 25 points and five his last six. So they're, they're just, they're. They're in that situation where they should be able to have success throwing on this team. I don't know how much success allowed running on this team because the Lions ready fence is still okay as we saw against, you know, DeAndre Swift. But their defense is by far a weakness for the Lions right now. Like this game could be a shootout. It could be a really fun game.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

You know, because of how the Lions offense is, is basically unstoppable. At this point and Derek Goff so he could play outdoors. There's supposed to be a lot of rain on Sunday. Thankfully this game is on Monday, so I have to worry about any weather issues for either quarterback. I don't know. I think party's gonna have a big game.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I think it's possible. I spent my morning watching the Bears Lions film and that Lions defense. You said it, Jamie. Like they had a hard time getting pressure on Caleb Williams with a backup left tackle. So it makes me think that last week the Niners had to get the ball out of Purdy's hands because of the matchup against Miami, because of the offensive line and because they didn't have a run game. So like that's the replacement for the run game in San Francisco is just screening the ball out. And Chicago did a little bit of that too. Chicago does a little bit of that every week. I wonder if they change it up with Gando back because they'll feel more confident in being able to run the ball. And certainly there should be a little bit more time for Brock Purdy to throw downfield. We are not going to have Juwan Jennings lined up against Jalen Ramsey and, and Debo played with more physicality last week than he had in a while. And I, I'm kind of encouraged. I, I'm pretty much talking myself into Purdy over Justin Herbert as we sit here right now.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah, I mean I said on yesterday's show I have Purdy versus Bo Nix.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

And yeah, I'm not gonna go that far with Purdy.

[Hyundai Representative]

I don't know, man. Like I, I, they both have good matchups. I think I trust Purdy like right now. I think I'm gonna start Purdy. You guys wouldn't do that.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

They're close enough for me. I don't have a problem with that. The bonix is my start of the week so I expect him to have a huge game. But it's a very similar situation with both these guys.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Oh no.

[Hyundai Representative]

How do I sit Bo Nicks now? Now you just like I, well, you.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Don'T sit Bo nex because it could.

[Hyundai Representative]

End up being an absolute shit.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

That's your game of the week is Denver, Cincinnati.

[Hyundai Representative]

I just don't think that Bo Nix is like playing that well right now. I don't know.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I thought he played pretty well in the first half last week for.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah, first half.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Three of it. Three games in a row. Over 20 points on the road. So he's been good in, in these spots. One of those was at Kansas City. For example. So I don't know. I mean, there's so much on the line for. For the Broncos, I think I learned.

[Hyundai Representative]

For me, who cares about the Broncos facing Heath? Facing Heath in two finals? I can't lose those. You kidding?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

You have the same quarterback decision in both?

[Hyundai Representative]

No, I got Baker in one and Purdy versus Nix in the other.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I have. I have one one finals where I have. I'm carrying three quarterbacks. I have to make a decision between Baker Mayfield, Bo Nix, and Sam Darnold. It's the worst decision.

[Hyundai Representative]

Oh, wow. Oh, it's Darnold, right?

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I think it's bigger.

[Hyundai Representative]

Baker. Baker's a guy that, like, I could not say, don't start, but I'm a little nervous about him just because, I mean, he.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

He's played the. The Panthers three times now in his Bucks career, and he's been bad every time.

[Hyundai Representative]

Every time? Yeah, because you can just run all over them.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

They can't just run all over me.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah. All right, let's go.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

He also has the most upside of that group.

[Hyundai Representative]

All right, let's. Let's go with Jordan Love here. Jordan Love at Minnesota. And really, it's like over the last six games, since they're by, this team has the second lowest pass rate in the NFL. Jordan Love is actually pass attempts or.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Less than every game.

[Hyundai Representative]

And Jordan Love is actually leading the NFL by far by a wide margin in yards per attempt. So, yes, if he throws more, he'll be less efficient, but he's playing very well. He's just not throwing enough. Will that change in this game? Because Jordan Love has really not been someone that we. That we should be start. You know, in retrospect, looking at the points, shouldn't have been a starter, but is he a starter this week?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

So that's the. The question. And I again, I think when you get to this point in the season, unless your quarterback situation is questionable, you're probably going to start the guy who got you here, you know? So you have a question? I have a question. I think Jordan Love, behind almost all the guys we mentioned, like, I would start him over, Herbert, just because I think there's a little bit more upside there. But that's where he is for me. He's in the. The Teens and the Week 4 game before the buy, before things changed, before their defense got better, he threw 56 attempts in that game against the packers, he threw for over 380 yards. He threw four touchdowns and three interceptions. And so that was the game when he was coming back from the I forget if it was the groin or knee injury, one of the two. He was, he was not 100% and so you mentioned it. It's hard to run on the Vikings. They're the second best run defense in the NFL in real life and they do a great job in shutting down fantasy running backs. Now this is a different team because Josh Jacobs is awesome and he'll get plays in the passing game. So this isn't a sit Josh Jacobs dilemma by any stretch. You also have potentially no Christian Watson, so their field stretcher may not be there also. So that could sort of change how they operate. I think if this game's close, they're probably going to keep their offense very similar and not make Jordan Love throw the ball 50 times or 40 times. If the game is out of hand, which you'd like to see because there's a chance for a great shootout here with these two teams, then we could see Jordan Love aired out and then he's going to be a great starter. So I think for redraft purposes he's probably a sit for DFS purposes, he could win you a tournament because I don't think a lot of people are going to use Jordan Love as their quarterback for this week. So it can go either way and that's why it's tough call for me.

[Hyundai Representative]

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[Hyundai Representative]

So is Jordan Love. Where is he? With Justin Herbert and Brock Purdy.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Same range behind Purdy. I think Purdy just got much more upside. If everything goes according to plan, Love could be nuclear. He really could. I just. I'm worried about Herbert to be honest. Just low scoring game feels like against Patriots on the road. So he's. I would go Purdy, skip a few, then Love, then Herbert.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I see it the same way you can look at Love and Herbert and figure they've got the same type of floor and Love has the slightly higher ceiling.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

But Love, Love's floor has actually been decent. You know, 21, 22 points.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Sure, sure.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

What's been a little bit lower than that?

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I think. I think it could be about the same. I will add that if, if Dobbins is back for the Chargers that'll make me like Herbert even less because now they can run the ball.

[Hyundai Representative]

So let's see was the last six games since they're by Love has scored 22.2, 18.7, 23, 16.5, 21.6 and 13.5 fantasy points at 6 point per passing touchdown leagues. All right, to the running backs, Breece Hall. Jamie, you called him a tough. Hall is a tough call. He's had a great matchup though. Man, this team's Buffalo stinks against running backs. And one of his best games all year was against Buffalo. In fact, Breece hall. See if I get this little stat queued up here. He has not had a run longer than 18 yards since week four. Yeah, and that was Buffalo. He ran, had a 42 yard run against Buffalo since then. Like his yards per carry is good, but he's not making explosive plays. That's crap. That's crazy.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

But he hasn't had one since week four. Yeah, but they played Buffalo on week six.

[Hyundai Representative]

Oh, then it was week six then. Sorry. Was it? Yeah, yeah, you're right. Sorry. It's eight games. Eight games though since week six. Not no run longer than 18 yards. Yeah. Why is he a tough one?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

We had to run before the Buffalo game.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah, he played them twice. Why is this a tough call for you?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I mean have we seen Breeze hall the last month since the Colts game? It's been. It's been a struggle, you know. So their left tackle is now. Their second left tackle is now gone. You got a clearly a team in disarray and I do think if they keep the game close early then. Then there's a chance for Breece hall. To come out and play well. Well, you just saw the Bills get punched in the mouth by the Patriots. I think they got their wake up call and so now you have potential of Josh Allen and the Bills offense going out and just stomping the jets early. And then Breeze Hall's really been ineffective in the passing game until last week, which hopefully is something that we see again. But is Braylon Allen now healthy after dealing with a back injury? Isaiah Davis now a little healthier after playing through an injury last week. So I'm just concerned, I think if Breeze hall again is. He's still a number two running back. I feel similar about him and Joe Mixon. You know, guys that you can't bench unless you're just in a great spot. He's, he's in the teens normally. If this was Breeze hall preseason early season, he'd be top five running back, you know. So there's just a lot of concern for me with the offensive line being what it is. You got Rogers on a bad knee. We saw the, the pitfalls of what this offense can be when they're not playing the Jaguars, for example. And just think about his, his last few weeks not playing late. Touchdown against Jacksonville to save. His numbers finally evolved in the past game last week, but not great running the ball and now again you have just more concerns. So matchup is great. I'm just a little worried.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Matchup is Great. We've seen 10 running backs get at least 10 non PPR points against Buffalo in their last 11 games and opportunity is great. We saw his snapshot go up last week. It was like 77%.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

But that says backups were banged up in the during the week.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I know, but he still played it and he still got a lot of checkdowns. But the eye, the eye test is bad. He doesn't look explosive at all. And so you're just hoping if you start him, you're hoping that the matchup is good to him, that he stays in the game plan and that they don't just go into full blown Aaron Rodgers YOLO mode and that he still picks up a bunch of catches. He's easier to start as a number two running back in full PPR than non ppr. But yeah, he, Breeze does not look right at all and that's what makes him a tough call.

[Hyundai Representative]

Okay, would you start Breeze hall or DeAndre Swift, who we're going to talk about in a bit?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Paul?

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Agreed.

[Hyundai Representative]

Breece hall or Joe Mixon?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I've been back to back right now mixing.

[Hyundai Representative]

All right, let's go to Rashad White. I put him in the notes here. I feel like he's a tough call because he's, he's, he produces just about every game. Dave, you know, it's not always the way that you want to see. It's, it's, it's weird. You know, he scores a lot of receiving touchdowns and last week he had seven catches. Six of them came in the second half in a game they were trailing. They haven't been trailing a lot lately and they're probably not going to be trailing in this game. Rashad White, three carries against Dallas. He had 15 carries a week before. So it's weird. He falls into production. It doesn't seem to be the most reliable way. I consider Rashad White a tough call. Do you?

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I do too. But he's more of a low end number two running back in full ppr and he's an easy call in non ppr. I'd stay away from him. Bucky Irving's taken over. Everyone can see that just from watching the games. Where Rashad White fits in is still passing down situations. Coaching staff still likes him, they still want to utilize him. But I, I don't like his chances to score as much because Bucky's been getting those opportunities, especially lately. And we know that he's not an efficient runner. And the only time he's efficient as a pass catcher is when he either has volume or he breaks away on a catch and run for a big game. So I, I don't view him as someone who's a must start by any stretch. He's one of those running backs that you're going to start because you don't have anybody better.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I wonder how much the fumble impacts his playing time.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I, I bet it's minimal.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I, I would assume that's the case, but I mean that was a, not a, not a game losing play, but it was pretty, pretty decisive, you know, nail in the coffin when they're trying to come back against Cowboys. And how he was carrying the ball before he fumbled. You know, the play itself. I saw one quote from Jalen McMillan, which obviously doesn't speak any volumes because he's a rookie wide receiver, but he was saying, you know, nobody's pointing the finger at him obviously. So you wonder how just the coaching staff feels when you have somebody else there. It's not like the, the, there's, there's not a capable player. As you said, Bucky Irving's been taking over every time he's been healthy. So just wonder and Sean Tucker is also there too. You know, you just wonder if the. If the fumble did cost him a few snaps, a few opportunities, whatever the. The game flow is, clearly if they're behind, he's going to play because they trust him the most in passing situations. But if they're playing with the lead.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Yeah, he's a no go.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Is Tucker the second guy up as opposed to Rashad White? So I'm a little concerned. I agree.

[Hyundai Representative]

That's. Well, that's what I wanted to bring up. Right. Because he had three carries last week and it's very unpredictable. If he's going to have 10, if he's going to have three, whatever. But if they had. But his targets had been super low. He had seven catches last week. I think he had seven catches in his previous four or five games combined before that. And they had kept winning and they had been winning pretty low scoring games. At least the opposite the opposing team. So they're playing Carolina this week. You know, if I just. I wanted to bring up that downside with Rashad White because if he's once again getting hardly any carries and is only getting one to two catches, then he's gonna have to score a touchdown or he could crush you. So our last question. Rashad White or. Or DeAndre Swift. I'll go back to him because I know where nobody's gonna be super excited about starting Swift.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

And PPR and. And non PPR and half ppr. Go Swift.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Not me. I'd go Swift across the board.

[Hyundai Representative]

All right, Jamie, you want to.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I think just one thing about your. Your point, Adam. The Panthers are going to score. They've been scoring.

[Hyundai Representative]

I hope so. Yeah. Brian Robinson Jr. Against the Falcons. Boy, terrible. The last two weeks. I know I'm going to have to decide between Jerome Ford and Brian Robinson Jr. Which I don't like either guy that much this week, but how do you feel about him, Jamie? Brian Robinson.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Yeah. One of my father son leagues. We're starting both those guys. Little screwed at running back. Yeah. Again, nervous. You know what we've seen from Robinson. Tough, tough rushing against the Saints. And that, you know, is frustrating after you see how the packers ran on them with ease and then the fumble issues against the eagles and seeing McNichols play a lot more. You know, you wonder if Robinson is maybe still dealing with the injury that. That plagued him a few weeks ago. Just not right. Just doesn't look right. And I know they've had some center issues beyond just missed some time also. So that's part of it. But you can run on the Falcons, you can't score on the Falcon. So we'll see how they, how they use him and how he, how productive he is. And, you know, hopefully they're playing with the lead where he can get some opportunities. So I think he's like, he's behind Breeze hall, he's behind Joe Mixon. I have him behind Jerome Ford right now. So he's kind of like the bridge for me of like, okay, this is. I'll start him if I have to, but I don't love it. And ahead of the, you know, the waiver wire guys, for example, the Falcons.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Have allowed a run of 10 or more yards from a running back on 14% of their defensive plays in their past four games. That is very high. And so I am hoping that Brian Robinson can still get a lot of work. And he dominated snaps last week. He played five of six snaps inside the 10. I'm hoping that he can get you like 70 rushing yards and maybe a touchdown. I think that game could be a high scoring game too. I, I don't mind him. He's. He's a lower number two running back and I've got him exactly where Jamie's got him behind all those names that he said. But I, I think he does have a decent chance to score against the Falcons and certainly get more work than he got last week.

[Hyundai Representative]

Let's go to the wide receivers here. Drake London is at Washington. So in this same game he had five catches for 59 yards on eight targets against the Giants. That's 10.9-PPR fantasy points, which is a bad game for him. But he only played 73% of the snaps. He missed some time with an injury. Appears to be okay. He had one end zone target. It was knocked away by Deontay Banks. The Commanders have actually been pretty solid against wide receivers going back for like 11 games. They've done pretty well overall. They're 18th against receivers. Dave, is this a tough call for you? Drake London at Washington?

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

It is in half and non PPR but not in full ppr. I think you keep using London just as you have been for the better part of the season. Sixteen or more PPR points to four wide receivers in their last nine games. That's scary. Only two wide receivers have more than 90 yards and not even 100 yards in those nine games. But when you start Drake London, you're starting him for the volume. He had eight targets and appendix dropped back 27 times. So that's a huge target share for the game. And because he didn't play the full game. I bet his target per route run rate was through the roof. So I'm, I'm still going to count on him to get those short and intermediate targets. I think he's going to be able to get open against the secondary, and I think he can certainly be better than where he was last week and maybe he can be one of those rare wide receivers to get 16 plus in full PPR.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I don't disagree with anything Dave said, but my concern is twofold. You have a potential injury here, you have threefold. You have potential injury here. You have a rookie quarterback making his first road start, and you have MARSHawn Lattimore trailing A.J. brown last week and frustrating him at times and pass interference, grabbing him, mugging him every other time. So I wonder if he's going to follow Drake London. I wonder if we're going to lose some opportunities because of some potential penalties because Lattimore is just not the same player anymore.

[Hyundai Representative]

Can I just interrupt real quick? Because he, he hurt his hamstring, right.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I'm not sure if he's playing.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Oh, well, that changes things a little bit. Is he on the injury port?

[Hyundai Representative]

Well, I, they haven't released it, I don't think. Right. But he, he did leave with a hamstring injury, so.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

And remember how long it took him to even get on the field for Washington? They traded for him and then I think he missed like three games before he got on the field.

[Hyundai Representative]

Oh, yeah.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

He, I, I think plotted his return against the Saints so well that that would change some things. But if, if Lattimore plays, I'm a little, little concerned. I mean, you're not benching Drake one.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

But I think anybody looked into the history of Drake, London versus Marshawn Lattimore?

[Hyundai Representative]

I mean, Lattimore, the only wide receiver that he ever shadowed really in his recent years with the Saints was Evans. He always stayed on one side.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Didn't he shadow AJ Brown last week?

[Hyundai Representative]

No, I said with the Saints.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Oh.

[Hyundai Representative]

And I actually don't think he did shadow A.J. brown last week, but I'm, I'm not positive about that. You know, he saw him, obviously, but I don't think he shattered him. I don't think so. London or Malik Neighbors against Colts.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I have that decision to make in one league in ppr. I'm going to go neighbors.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I've got London one spot ahead of Neighbors in ppr.

[Hyundai Representative]

Well, here's another question related to that game from our chat. Darnell Mooney or Xavier Worthy?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I go Worthy.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I would too.

[Hyundai Representative]

Would you start Drake London or Brian Robinson Jr?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

London.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Agreed.

[Hyundai Representative]

Drake London or. Who's the first running? Oh, Breeze Hall London.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Agreed.

[Hyundai Representative]

Let's go to lad McConkey. Another one I was surprised to see on the list. Jamie, how come you felt lad McConkey is a tough call. He's been very consistent and he's the number 15 wide receiver in fantasy in his last eight games. Seven games.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Just the, the game flow. I, I think again the Chargers play with the lead. I don't think McConkey has a ton of targets in this game. I don't think we see Justin Herbert throwing a lot in this game. So he's not somebody you're sitting again just, you know, comparing him to some of the guys, you know, like 15 through 24. He's at the tail end for me, so.

[Hyundai Representative]

Well, London, huh? London or McConkey?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

London.

[Hyundai Representative]

I'll take McConkey and Schaefer wants to know Adam Thielen or Drake London?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

London, same feeling. And McConkey is close for me.

[Hyundai Representative]

I feel like I, I am a little worried about Drake London just because like I said on beyond the box Score, I mean, the Giants did nothing to fluster Michael Penix and just they left the middle of the field wide open all game. They were awful. This is a, like a legitimate defense with real football players that he's facing. So, you know, I could see Penix having a really bad game, but I'm not saying that's going to happen or.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

You can see him have a really good game.

[Hyundai Representative]

I could see him having a prolific game where he's throwing a lot. Yeah, I mean, I don't know that he's going to go in there and like play great, but I, yeah, but I'm just saying it's a wide range of outcomes. That's why tough. That's why these are tough calls. All right, Juwan Jennings. Juwan Jennings against Detroit. So he's coming off a bad game. 9.1 fantasy points at Miami. He had a 16.2% target share. So here's. Here's a bad note followed by a good note. 16.2% target share. That's horrible. But he had. Juwan Jennings had a target share of 27% or higher in six straight games before the Miami game. That's great. So Dave, is Juwan Jennings. Well, we said all the Niners are a tough call. Is Juan Jennings a tough call for you against a team that gives up the fourth most fantasy points to receivers?

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

After watching the Lions defense this morning, I'm much more interested in starting Juwan Jennings. He was buried in my rankings to start the day.

[Hyundai Representative]

Game of the week. Yeah, a Friday night fantasy special. It's the Niners and the Lions. Hey, deciding league championships. Yeah.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

The NFL always does a good job scheduling the last game of Week 17 as one. That should swing a lot of fantasy championships. And I think this one qualifies for sure. Look at you jamming out. There were a lot of candidates for game of the week. I dig that you chose this one and I do think the 49ers will get up for it. But like I was saying, like this Lions defense had a hard time getting pressure on Caleb Williams last week. We know they're beat up all across that defensive line. Their secondary speed up as well. If you have the chance, go look at the last two big throws that Caleb Williams made against this defense before halftime. They were awesome throws. The one, the touchdown to Keenan Allen was like. That's why you took that quarterback with the number one overall pick. Should be a good bounce back opportunity for Brock Purdy. We talked about that as well. Not that he was terrible for fantasy last week, but I think he can end up having a better game for the Niners. I think the Niners could win this game because the Lions defense is so bad. And yes, I am very interested in starting Juwan Jennings. He will be in that low end, number two, high end, number three, wide receiver range.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah, I, I got more excited than another guy. Like I just, I kind of had just a little. So frustrated. But I think the matchup could change everything. And oh, dude, I can't wait to talk about Caleb Williams because this guy looked great last week.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

He played, he was streaky, but when he looked good, he looked really good.

[Hyundai Representative]

How about the fourth and one throw.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

He threw to Roma dunesday?

[Hyundai Representative]

The throw and the catch. I mean, that's. I, I feel like that was a.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Little bit more impressive than the throw. He had a couple of guys open underneath that. He been able to convert for the first down.

[Hyundai Representative]

All right. But I think Bears fans should have been very, very happy with encouraging.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

No question.

[Hyundai Representative]

All right, last one here. We'll skip the tight ends as we're going a little long here. But Jamie, Jameson Williams, I think he's perennially in the tough call category here coming off a big game. I could give you a couple notes of why I'm afraid of Jameson Williams, but this is the game of the week and we could have a lot of points. He's at San Francisco Monday.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

He's Very similar to Jennings. I like Jennings a little bit better because I think he's safer, but, you know, similar range in terms of rankings. You saw the upside, you know, and I like the fact that they're talking up him getting a thousand yards, which is kind of cool, you know, that he's missed some time again and for what his career has been. So it's, it's, it's exciting that it's in, in the range of possibilities. He's, he's one of those guys that can win your week. He could also lose your week, as we've seen, you know, a few times this season as well. Playing outdoors, playing on the road. Prior to last week, he hadn't been great. So I think he's just the typical boom bus. Number three receiver Dave.

[Hyundai Representative]

Jameson Williams or Juwan Jennings.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Jennings.

[Hyundai Representative]

Jameson Williams or Darnell Mooney.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Jameson.

[Hyundai Representative]

Jameson Williams or any packers receiver.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Jameson Jameson.

[Hyundai Representative]

Debo Samuel or Jameson.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Jameson.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Jameson.

[Hyundai Representative]

Okay, so here's, here's my issue with, with Jameson Williams. Well, first of all, the good, right?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Like he's got money or Jameson. I would take Mooney.

[Hyundai Representative]

Okay. He's got a pretty good floor. I think I'm just, I'm just gonna look at his game. Since he came back in week 10, he's played seven games, so he's got a pretty good floor. He usually gets about six to eight targets. And, but, but the three, the two big games he had Jacksonville and Chicago. Against Jacksonville, he had a 64 yard touchdown catch. Against Chicago, he had an 82 yard touchdown. Cats. Jacksonville allows the most big plays in football. The Bears allow the 4th most big plays in football. The 49ers allow the fewest. In fact, they allow the fewest fantasy points to wide receivers. We got to take them seriously as a really tough matchup.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Exhibit A. Tyreek Hill last week.

[Hyundai Representative]

Exactly. Tyreek could have had a, could have had a big game, though. You know, like, great that every week with Tyreek, but even he was like, man, I just, I haven't got enough practice reps in. I dropped a touchdown this and that like, but, but for. They have been very good and they don't give up big plays. So that's why it's tough. All right, we'll talk about him more on Friday's show. We're going to take a break, come back and. Na na na na na. Seattle, Chicago. After this.

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[Hyundai Representative]

All right, here we go. Seattle at Chicago Dave. The last Thursday night.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Na na na na na na na.

[Hyundai Representative]

We needed a big one. This is the Thursday finale. This is an interesting game, guys, isn't it? I mean, I don't know, I just feel like, interesting game, interesting teams could go in any direction here. I'm looking forward to it and I actually think it's a fairly difficult one to preview. Jamie, your thoughts?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

It's a little difficult, I guess. You know, Seattle coming off a tough loss, but they clearly are the better team here. So we'll see how, how things go from a fantasy perspective. I think there's, you know, some, some easy starts and just based on these two teams have been operating, you know, the. I still think you have to put Caleb in the questionable quarterback situation. Gino is obviously in the questionable quarterback situation. The running backs, there's one must start. There's one questionable guy in Deandre Swift and there's, I think probably three must start receivers.

[Hyundai Representative]

All right, let's go through it here. So we talked about Brock Purdy, Jordan Love and Justin Herbert earlier. Caleb Williams versus those guys.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Caleb's ahead of them for me.

[Hyundai Representative]

Same interesting. Okay, how about Geno Smith versus those guys?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I like Gino better than Herbert and Love.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Same. Purdy's ahead of him though. Purdy over Gino.

[Hyundai Representative]

It's pretty obvious if you throw the ball against the Bears, you can have success. But a lot of teams don't do that. They run the ball against the Bears. They have a horrible run defense, which is why Zach Charbonnet is a. Is a must start. Now, what if Ken Walker plays?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I. I don't think he's playing, but sure, if he plays, you got to assume that Walker is going to get the majority of touches. I mean, that's just been the M.O. every time he's been on the field.

[Hyundai Representative]

So if he plays and we've talked about like Rashad White being a tough call, would you go with Ken Walker or Rashad White?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Walker. Walker would be in that group for me of mixing and hall and Brian Robinson and Jerome Ford. So, like that's running back 16, 17, 18, 19 for me. So he'd be right around there.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

He'd be behind those guys for me. But that's the range. It's a no confidence vote. He hasn't played well. We don't know what his role will be, although we could assume that his role will stay as being the primary guy for the Seahawks. Let me see if I can find what his snaps were last week before he got hurt. 58% of the snaps. They split the ball three ways last week. That's something we haven't really seen from Seattle. Walker 58, Charbonnet 24, McIntosh 22%. Maybe McIntosh got an extra bit of run because Walker left late in the fourth.

[Hyundai Representative]

No, Dave, I honestly think it was because Charbonnet came into the game hurt. That's what they said. They said Charbonnet was limited, but he's expected to be like normal. Full go for him this week.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Well, he played every single third down snap for Seattle. Charbonnet did. And half their snaps inside the 10.

[Hyundai Representative]

Okay, but that's just what they said coming out of it. I. That's. That's what Mike McDonald said that Charbonnet just wasn't.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

How would he know?

[Hyundai Representative]

All right, so anyway, I want to stay on. Well, we'll go back to. We'll go back to Caleb Williams, but with Geno Smith or Bryce Young this week.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Gino.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Yes.

[Hyundai Representative]

All right. Yeah, it's five. Five of the last six quarterbacks to face the Bears have scored 20 or more fantasy points. All right, so the wide receivers. JSN's a no brainer, right? Just top 10 receiver starter, said DK Metcalf.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

So he's in the same range as Juwan Jennings and Jameson Williams and Darnold Mooney and those guys. I was a little disappointed last week after Ryan Grubb came out and said what he said. About we have to get him the ball more and get him more targets and get him more involved and get the big guy going and all this stuff. And he had four targets, right? It was four, seven. Excuse me, three catches. Right? Right. So catch that. That to me is not getting the big guy going, you know, So I, I think he's just kind of is what he is. Because if he doesn't score the touchdown, he was basically non existent in the second half. So could he have a big game here? Obviously this Bears defense is terrible, but also there's enough of a sample size since he's come back from knee injury that he's just probably not right.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Yes.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

So I think you're just talking about a borderline starter. If he's been in your lineup all this time, don't go away from it because it's a great matchup. But if you have other options, which a lot of people do like, I would start Jalen McMillan over DK Metcalf this week. I think there's just more upside based on what we've seen from his sample size in the last three games compared to DK Metcalf's last three games. So. And a good matchup. So I. For me, it's.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

It's.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

It's a guy like McMillan off the waiver wire. So number three receiver, but not a lot of faith.

[Hyundai Representative]

And you know what? The seven targets wouldn't be bad if it were 30 passes, but it was 43 pass attempts for Geno Smith last week, and only seven went to Metcalf. So here's. Here's something that scares me a little bit on Metcalf. He's had a target share of 20.7% or lower in three straight games and four of his last five games. That, that is not good. And the Bears see the fewest wide receiver targets in football. So, you know, it's just, it's hard to see him getting more than seven. And if you just do some math and he's going to get a 20 target share and Geno Smith might throw 30 passes. You know, it's. It's that six targets, but maybe I'll throw more. You know, like the Bears hold up their end of the bargain. Maybe. Maybe he'll throw more. All right, sit Noah Fant and Caleb Williams. Okay, so, Dave, how do you feel about Caleb Williams? I think Jamie's fairly high on him.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I'm fairly high on him as well. Really was encouraged by what we saw last week. Much. He wasn't nearly as like, jittery and jumpy in the pocket as he was in weeks prior. And I think it was because he was taking on a team that didn't have like a lethal pass rush. Yeah, the Lions got to him. They eventually got home in the second half, but before that he did a lot of damage. And Seattle's pass rush really over the last month hasn't been great. It's certainly not special. They had a game against Green Bay where they did blitz a lot. They did get a lot of pressure. They had zero sacks, and they would probably get a couple of sacks of Caleb Williams. But I'm just. I've been impressed with how he's been throwing, albeit streaky. Like I said, he's run the ball well a little bit too, so he'll help boost that fantasy floor. I think he's got Upside to finish as a top five fantasy quarterback this week.

[Hyundai Representative]

Caleb or Bo Nicks?

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

They're back to back for me. I've got Nicks a spot ahead.

[Hyundai Representative]

Who'd you say? Jamie?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Nick.

[Hyundai Representative]

Nick's Caleb or Caleb or Richardson?

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Caleb.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Caleb.

[Hyundai Representative]

I think that's, you know, pretty much because we covered it. We know you like them better.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Arnold over Caleb, Bo Nicks over Caleb, Baker over Caleb. All the other studs over Caleb. Everybody else behind Caleb.

[Hyundai Representative]

Top.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Top 10 in the rankings. Top 5 upside.

[Hyundai Representative]

You consider golf to be one of those studs, right?

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Yes. He's a must.

[Hyundai Representative]

DeAndre Swift, starter. Sit.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

He's a flex at best. I mean, he had a very good matchup last week and did not take advantage of it. I know the Lions numbers are good, but their defense is just so beat up. So I. It's just. He's just. The track record is there for him at this point. So again, if he's been your starter, I think Amir Abdullah makes more sense in ppr, for example. But otherwise, like. Yeah, it just is what he is. I mean, there's. There's just. We didn't see Roshan Johnson very much last week.

[Hyundai Representative]

Does that change how many Bears wide receivers would you start over? Well, let's start with Swift. How many would you start over? Swift?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

2.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

And yeah, the main.

[Hyundai Representative]

How many would you start over? Metcalf?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Two.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Yeah.

[Hyundai Representative]

And who's your favorite? Alan. Yes.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

That was a borderline number one receiver.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah, it's crazy. All right, I got a question in the chat. DJ Moore or lad McConkey?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

They're very close. For me, I'd go more.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I'll take Lad. I think it's closer in full PPR than non ppr.

[Hyundai Representative]

DJ Moore Or Juwan Jennings.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

More.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I'll take more.

[Hyundai Representative]

More is so annoying. It just.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I might take Jennings and not in half.

[Hyundai Representative]

I feel like he doesn't have that much upside because he's right.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Because like all of his targets are.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Right at the line of scrimmage. It's weird. It's weird how Keenan Allen has become the go to guy. Although DJ Moore did have that deep 25 yard hitch. Or no, who cares what it was. It was an in breaking route. The timing was good, but he doesn't get enough of those types of plays. Most of those plays have been going to Keenan Allen, Auda Odun. So that until. I wish we had seen a lot more downfield stuff for DJ Moore in the last week or two. And if that were the case, then I'd be way more in on DJ Moore. I'm kind of in on DJ Moore just to begin with because I think the Bears will throw a lot in this game.

[Hyundai Representative]

All right. If any more questions for this game, please fire away.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

How do you feel about Swift versus Dowdle? That's when I've been fighting.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

They're back to back for me. I don't like dawn this week at all, but I just can't trust the Unders.

[Hyundai Representative]

Neither do I. Yeah, I feel that.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I'm having a hard time finding running backs to round out my top 24.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Yes.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Like the Raiders guys are in there. I don't mind starting the Raiders guys this week.

[Hyundai Representative]

Kenan Allen or George King now or George Pickens. Alan.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Yep.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Yeah, I guess that makes sense. I. Yes.

[Hyundai Representative]

And then you're gonna have to probably start Kayla Williams over Jalen Hurts unless we know anything on Thursday. So sorry about that.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Not a bad fallback option.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Yeah, that's. Honestly, you shouldn't be sorry for that.

[Hyundai Representative]

Tina Allen or Adam Thielen?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Alan.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Yeah, I will start Alan over Thielen.

[Hyundai Representative]

Last week, I didn't do it. I wanted to start the Keenan Allen over Garrett Wilson. I am absolutely doing it this week.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Yeah, you should. And although he's a squeaky wheel this week.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah, I know I might start over Juwan Jennings, but.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Oh, I would do that.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah, we'll see. I mean, like, he's a squeaky wheel. His coach said it. But Aaron Rodgers was like, yeah, I don't. Aaron Rodgers is like, I don't agree that we need to get the ball to Devonte to Garrett Wilson.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Well, it is a funny conversation because he's fourth in the NFL and target.

[Hyundai Representative]

I. I know. Question here from Ken. D.J. moore, Adam Thielen. McMillan Worthy, Kareem Hunt. I guess he just needs one for that.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

More feeling worthy McMillan Hunt. In that order.

[Hyundai Representative]

Okay.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Yeah.

[Hyundai Representative]

All right, Dave. That's it. Oh, dsts.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I'd pass on both.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Seattle's not bad simply because they will get to Caleb Williams more so than the Lions did. So they are a top 12 DST this week.

[Hyundai Representative]

The Bears allow the six most fantasy points to DSTs, even when they've been playing better. I hope they can.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

That's without him throwing interceptions. That just tells you how much he gets sacked.

[Hyundai Representative]

It's true. Okay, so that. Oh, Dave hit it Thursday night. Thursday Night Football. It's the end.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Well, but you've got to say.

[Hyundai Representative]

And that's it for Thursday Night Football. And I've got to go open some presents. My kids are waiting so patiently. So let's read some emails and five minutes. Here we go. This is from Phil. Sit one. Oh, Phil's from Germany. And he got a kick out of my spiel day, folks. Garrett, Sit one. Garrett Wilson, Malik, Neighbors, Drake London or Breeze hall in half ppr.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Either neighbors or Bruce.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Excuse me, the names again.

[Hyundai Representative]

Garrett, Wilson, Malik, Neighbors, Drake, London, Breece Hall. Sit one. Half ppr.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Sit Breeze.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I think I'll sit.

[Hyundai Representative]

I think I'll send neighbors from Drew in Seattle. Half ppr. League. I need three. Juwan Jennings, DK Metcalf, Hollywood Brown, AJ Brown, Brian Robinson, Christian Watson.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

One more time with the names.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah, so we're not going to start Watson. We're not going to start Hollywood Brown. So we need three of these four. Juwan Jennings, D.K. metcalf, A.J. brown, Brian Robinson. Robinson. Half PPR.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Yeah, Robinson's the odd man out.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Say Robinson.

[Hyundai Representative]

This is from Taco. Half ppr. Pick one. Yeah, you're delicious.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Only on Tuesdays.

[Hyundai Representative]

Swift, Garendo Pickens. Pick one.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Wow, that's a tough call because you can't wait out Garando if you got to play. Pickens. Ppr.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah, half.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I'll go Pickens.

[Hyundai Representative]

By the way, no Chris Jones today for the Chiefs or unlikely to play. And yes, start Kittle over Mark Andrews from. Oh, I don't have a name here. James Cook or Malik Neighbors or Drake London this week.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

James Cook.

[Hyundai Representative]

Another email from Germany. Wow. All right. This is from Mitch from the hot dog capital of the Midwest.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Well, Dave's Midwest is probably Oregon, right?

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I mean, they are in the Big Ten.

[Hyundai Representative]

They are. It's true.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Yeah.

[Hyundai Representative]

Says Dear Rob, John, Brandon and Rickon. Did I say that right?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Yes.

[Hyundai Representative]

Game of Thrones.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

I happened to stumble on the end of season one. It was on HBO when I was flipping through channels. It's just so amazing.

[Hyundai Representative]

How does it end?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

It ends with Daenerys burning.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Spoilers. Spoilers.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Yeah. All right.

[Hyundai Representative]

I gotcha.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I'm teasing. The show.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

The dragon.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah, baby. All right. Brian Thomas Jr. Or Bucky Irving. Half PPR. Oh.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Oh, boy.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Who are you sitting? I think it's got to be okay.

[Hyundai Representative]

So. Yeah, so. So you can tell me if he should sit someone else. He's starting A.J. brown and Mike Evans, Kyron Williams and Chase Brown.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I probably would sit Evans.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Who's the first receiver? You said A.J. brown. I would say Brown if it's Pickett. I would sit Evans if it's not.

[Hyundai Representative]

Okay. Oh, God. What Evans did to Carolina last time though, man.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

What Bucky did to Carolina last time.

[Hyundai Representative]

That's true. Yeah. All right.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Thomas has been doing to everybody in the last month, Right? He. He. By the way, I saw this from our research team. Did you see the email they sent?

[Hyundai Representative]

No, but I think. Let me see if I know where you're going. Brian Thomas Jr. Is on the highest percentage of teams in the finals.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

No.

[Hyundai Representative]

Oh.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

This is an NFL stat that you will love. He has the mo. He is. I forget the number. I. I won't. I'll see. I'll give you the number tomorrow. But he has.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

This is such a good stat.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

The Most. The most 30 yard plus receptions for a rookie. He's in. He's in the same range as Jamar Chase, Randy Moss, there's some. Mike Evans. Wow. There's somebody else in there. It's just like. Just stud after stud after studio. Like he's on pace to be a monster. Absolute freaking monster.

[Hyundai Representative]

So good. All right, Tyler Allen.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Here's. Here's. I'm reading the same thing. If he gets a. A touchdown against Tennessee, he will be in the same group. A thousand yards receiving and 10 plus touchdowns.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yeah.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Go lower the rookie.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I'm just going to give you this list of names first.

[Hyundai Representative]

Gotta go. Let's go.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Moss, Evans, obj. Jamar Chase.

[Hyundai Representative]

Okay, Sorry. Tyler Allen says he made eight of ten finals. Awesome.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Oh.

[Hyundai Representative]

Bench one and half ppr. Tyreek Hill, Zay Flowers. Jerome for Jameson Williams.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Jameson.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I'm too busy looking at Brian Thomas Jr. Stats.

[Hyundai Representative]

I didn't hear the question from Justin. Half PPR. Pick three. Saquon. Chase Brown, Bucky Irving, Jonathan Taylor. Yikes.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Pick three of. What's the first name?

[Hyundai Representative]

Saquon.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I would say Chase Brown.

[Hyundai Representative]

Sit Brown.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Say it again.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

That's Studs.

[Hyundai Representative]

Saquon Chase Brown, Bucky Irving, Jonathan Taylor.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Oh, my God. In ppr.

[Hyundai Representative]

Half.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Half. Yeah, let's make a consensus at Chase Brown.

[Hyundai Representative]

All right, rapid fire from Connor. Start to feeling Shakir, Dowdle, Ford, Spears. And one of them has to be a running back. Feeling Shakir, Dowdle, Ford, Spears.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

So Thielen over. Secure for me. And then you can't start Shakir. So Ford, Ford.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Unless somehow Tony Pollard's out.

[Hyundai Representative]

Yep. Right.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Then you're going Spears for sure.

[Hyundai Representative]

Half ppr. Pick one. Cup Ford, Thielen, Myers. I'm going. Really? I'm going Thielen. You guys going Myers, Ford From George. Start two in ppr. Jacobs, Taylor, Hubbard, Charbonnet.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Taylor and Charbonnet. Assuming Ken Walker's out on Thursday. Yep.

[Hyundai Representative]

Tim is playing his wife and he needs to win. Non ppr. Non ppr. Start one. Jacoby Myers. Jerry. Judy, Tajie Spears. And congratulations to your wife because she's.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Gonna beat you, Jacoby.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Yeah.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Unless I'm gonna know what that's like. My son is about to hold it over my head for nine months that he finished in the top 50. And Scott Fishbowl and I did not even make the playoffs.

[Hyundai Representative]

I thought he was like ninth.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

He. He did well. He's got a. He's made the final round. There's 50 teams. Only one team can. He might win the whole thing.

[Hyundai Representative]

Oh, my gosh. How cool.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

Absolutely. Will hold it over my head. He's. Yeah, he's already said. And I. I don't even do this for a living, dad. Okay, pal.

[Hyundai Representative]

Good for you. All right. Merry Christmas, everybody. What? What did you say?

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

Oh, the Brian Tom step.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

I. I still don't know which one you were trying to talk about.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

The 30 yard receptions.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

How about 50 yard receptions?

[Hyundai Representative]

This is great. Merry Christmas, everybody.

[Fantasy Football Host 1]

50 yard receptions by rookies. He's got five of them this year. That's tied with Randy Moss and Lee Evans and Chris Gibbons and the leaders in the last 30 seasons, Jamar and A.J. brown with six.

[Hyundai Representative]

Have a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football.

[Fantasy Football Host 2]

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