Week 4 Recap: Malik Nabers, Patrick Mahomes, Woody Marks, A.J. Brown and More (09/28 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today – Week 4 Recap (09/28/25)

Host: Adam Aizer | Analysts: Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, Heath Cummings

Date: September 29, 2025
Theme: Comprehensive recap of all the major Week 4 fantasy football storylines, player performances, injuries, and actionable advice for waiver wire pickups, trades, and lineup decisions.

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Episode Overview

This episode of Fantasy Football Today features a deep dive into the most significant events and performances from Week 4 of the NFL, including the fallout from major injuries (notably Malik Nabers), analysis of rising and falling fantasy assets, and tips on key waiver wire additions. The team blends analysis, debate, and humor to arm listeners with everything they need to get ahead in their fantasy leagues as the bye weeks begin.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Biggest Winner & Loser of Week 4

[04:32]

• Winner: Quinshon Judkins (RB, Detroit)
  • Insight: Judkins overcame a tough matchup, tallying big yardage and a TD, and is now seen as a must-start ("Whether we call him a number one or a number two running back, it almost doesn't matter. He's a must start." – Dave, 05:16).
  • Must-start status solidified amid Detroit's QB issues.
• Loser: Ladd McConkey (WR, Chargers)
  • Ongoing struggles with drops and target share; fantasy managers disappointed.
  • “Lad McConkey. I’m just ready to admit it. Adam, you are a genius... Lad McConkey can’t catch.” – Heath, [05:29]

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2. Injury Updates & Fantasy Fallout

[10:06]

• Malik Nabers: Feared torn ACL ("Obviously it sucks... You want to see Jackson Dart play out his rookie season with one of the best receivers in football, and now you get robbed of that." – Jamey, [10:23])
  • Waiver implication: Darius Slayton and Wan’Dale Robinson likely to see increased targets; run game mildly boosted.
• Lamar Jackson: Hamstring injury; further evaluation pending. If out, CeeDee Lamb managers have reason for some optimism with Cooper Rush at QB (comparable target pace in Rush's starts per Adam, [09:08]).
• Other notable injuries: Puka Nacua (returned), Darnell Mooney, Calvin Austin (shoulder; bye), Cedric Tillman, Ricky Pearsall (knee), Jauan Jennings.
• Team injury notes: Ravens, Chargers, Raiders, Browns all suffered key OL injuries.

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3. Waiver Wire Targets & Strategy

[14:01]

• Top Add: Woody Marks (RB, Texans) – 21 touches, 2 TDs. Marks inches toward lead role in Houston; strong multi-game usage trend.
• WR Adds: Darius Slayton – likely Giants’ top WR. Xavier Worthy – KC receiver with big usage bump.
• Others: Justice Hill (Ravens – if game scripts turn negative), Kenneth Gainwell (Eagles, despite upcoming bye).
  Quoting Jamie: “Woody Marks' era might be here... which used to be bad [vs. Baltimore], but it’s not that bad anymore.” – [14:07-14:22]

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4. Buy or Sell: Key Debates

Segment starts [17:06]

• Drake May (QB, Patriots):
  • Now seen as a permanent top-10 fantasy QB. “Drake May is one of these players... would hate playing against. He has big upside every week, I feel.” – Adam [17:34]
• Derrick Henry: On a downward trend; only “cheap” buy-low. "If you get Derrick Henry cheap, you should get him, but it’s got to be kind of cheap." – Dave [20:43]
• Ladd McConkey: Still startable in deeper leagues and during byes, but dropping to WR3/flex territory: "He could bounce back next week. But he had two bad drops..." – Dave [22:06]
• David Montgomery: Touchdown-dependent; Cincinnati next. Usage shift from 2024 noted by Adam: “He’s looking like a completely touchdown-or-bust guy...”
• Alvin Kamara: Labelled as a “beach of the cesspool” RB – starts most weeks but with declining floor (Heath metaphor, [57:56]).

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5. Segment – Winners & Losers

[27:14]

Jamie’s Winners:

• Drake London (WR): Target hog, “He’s back.”
• Michael Penix (QB): Big statistical day signals possible rest-of-season starter value.

Dave’s Winners:

• Xavier Worthy (WR, KC): “For now, a borderline number two, number three fantasy receiver... and this Chiefs offense looked a heck of a lot better with him back.” – Dave [30:24]

Heath’s Winners:

• Travis Etienne (RB, Jaguars): Role and snap split solidifies; “good fantasy day... I’ve kind of been ranking him as a low-end #2. We probably need to rank him a little bit higher...” – Heath [32:12]
• Cam Skattebo: Huge workload bodes well as long as conservative gameplans continue.

Losers:

• Calvin Ridley: Droppable in 10- and possibly 12-teamers; “Not even the number one on his own team.”
• Brock Bowers (TE): No longer an elite TE1, but hard to sell low; optimism remains for a healthy second half.
• Keon Coleman (WR): Droppable due to target share problems. “You can’t feel good about starting him.” – Dave [34:54]

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6. Position-by-Position Takeaways

Running Backs:

• Woody Marks (Houston): Trend toward clear lead role.
• Gainwell (PHI): Priority stash through bye week.
• Trayvon Henderson (Patriots): Still worth holding, but committee concerns persist.

Wide Receivers:

• Quentin Johnston (Chargers): Redraft darling, must-start with strong TD and target profile (“Welcome start status.” – Dave [07:12])
• Darius Slayton (Giants): Top WR add after Nabers injury.

Tight Ends:

• T.J. Hockenson & Browns TEs: Droppable if streaming options appear, given poor usage/results.

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7. Mailbag & Miscellaneous Insights

• A.J. Brown: Concerning string of inefficient games despite high target numbers.
• Keenan Allen: Down game; preference for McConkey over Allen rest of season due to youth and upside per consensus ([56:48]).
• Odunze & Pittman: Among the best draft values thus far ([71:20]).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Malik Nabers Injury: “It sucks…when you have a star player like this that goes down and is going to miss the rest of the season…you hope Neighbors is back fully ready to go for 2026.” – Jamey, [10:23]
• Quinshon Judkins Ascendance: “He’s a must start running back no matter who they play the rest of the season.” – Dave, [04:32]
• Ladd McConkey Frustration: “Lad McConkey can’t catch.” – Heath, [05:29]
• Drake May Hype: "Drake May is the first Patriots QB since Tom Brady in 2007 with three straight games of 75%+ completion, 200+ yards, and 2+ TDs.” – Adam, [18:01]
• Derrick Henry Downward Trend: “Their defense is terrible...and when they’re trailing...Derrick Henry isn’t the main guy.” – Dave, [20:02]
• Woody Marks Enthusiasm: “Let’s not put that back in the box. Let’s continue to make Woody Marks your featured running back.” – Jamie, [28:37]
• Alvin Kamara’s Value Tier: “He is on the beach of the cesspool.” – Heath, [57:56]
• On Tight End Wasteland: “I’m ready to drop [tight end] from a starting lineup requirement in my fantasy leagues.” – Dave, [43:24]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Topic | Timestamp | |:---|:---| | Episode Theme Open | 02:33 | | Weekly Winners & Losers | 04:32 | | Major Injury Updates | 10:06 | | Waiver Wire Priorities | 14:01 | | Buy or Sell (Key Debates) | 17:06 | | Winners & Losers Discussion | 27:14 | | Position-by-Position Insights | 43:06 onwards in each game segment | | Notable Quotes & Memorable Stats | Sprinkled throughout; see above |

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Actionable Advice & Takeaways

• Prioritize Woody Marks and Darius Slayton on waivers.
• Quinshon Judkins and Quentin Johnston are plug-and-play starters.
• Ladd McConkey is trending toward bench/flex territory, but worth holding through byes.
• Derrick Henry and David Montgomery are risky, TD-dependent RB2s—consider selling for higher upside pieces if possible.
• If you lost Malik Nabers, don’t overspend on WR adds; Darius Slayton is a solid but unspectacular remedy.
• Hold patience with breakout rookies like Brian Thomas Jr. and Emeka Egbuka, but drop Keon Coleman for more consistent options.
• If desperate at TE, target Brenton Strange, Jake Ferguson, or Trey McBride for upside over name value.
• Be wary of deep RB committees emerging in Carolina, New England, and Washington.

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Episode Tone & Dynamic

• Playful banter—lots of tongue-in-cheek moments about team allegiances (e.g., Mets vs Yankees), self-deprecating humor about preseason takes, and frank admissions when wrong.
• Analysts routinely emphasize the need for patience with struggling, high-upside players and advice to be strategic rather than reactionary amid injuries and breakout performances.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
This summary highlights all the crucial fantasy football developments from Week 4, arming you with the knowledge needed to make timely waiver claims, resolve lineup headaches, and attack the trade market as the season enters the heart of the bye weeks.

Transcript

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[Adam]

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[Heath]

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[Adam]

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[Heath]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Adam]

Welcome everybody. This is Fantasy Football Today presented by BetMGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas. And we are recapping week four. One big, big injury, maybe more and some huge performances. QB1 right now is Patrick Mahomes. Of course he's wearing the Patrick. He had to do a wardrobe change to this Patrick Mahomes jersey. Everybody. You know Heath's franchise quarterback played well. My franchise quarterback. Whatever. And Dave's franchise quarterback really struggled today. I'd have to say.

[Dave]

Damn Ward, terrible game.

[Adam]

He used to be a Bears fan so I was talking about him. How about RB1 today?

[Dave]

Ramandre Stevenson.

[Adam]

What? RB1.

[Heath]

Ashton Genti.

[Adam]

Ashton Genti wide receiver 1. Darius Slayton who can Akua by 10 points. Holy moly. And tight end 1 is is tough.

[Dave]

Pat Friarmuth.

[Adam]

Shut up.

[Heath]

Yeah, that's a bad guess, but I don't have a good guess.

[Adam]

Caught two touchdowns. He's Dallas Goddard and he's tight end one. All right, so we got our winners. He had 37 yards, targets, four catches.

[Dave]

37 yards, two touchdowns.

[Jamie]

Yeah. All right.

[Dave]

Not that I have it open on me.

[Heath]

I think one of them was a fake touchdown. I don't think Adam would have counted that.

[Adam]

They were almost both fake touchdowns. I didn't want to count either of them but you know, it's much more.

[Heath]

But Jackson darts passing touchdown was completely real and beautiful.

[Adam]

No, actually I was thinking about Jackson darts touchdown to Theo Johnson's basically did the same thing that the Eagles did twice. Hertz to Goddard. And when the Eagles do it, it's so smooth, so easy. And when the Giants do it it's like oh, the broken tackle. Three guys hitting a bow, he happens to follow the end zone. All right, let's get a big winner and a big loser. Obviously we'll talk about the Malik Neighbors injury, likely a torn ACL or concerned that it's a torn acl, what it means for the Giants going forward. Lamar Jackson also left with a hamstring injury so we'll cover all the bases. But Dave, who's the biggest winner this week?

[Dave]

I mean Ashton Genty had the best game of the week. But if we're going to talk about another rookie running back that's not Amari and Hampton, let's talk about Quin Sean Judkins who put together a big game against the Detroit Lions. It wasn't necessarily pretty but four catches, a ton of yards, a touchdown, everybody's thrilled. That started quinch on Juggins and I think you've got a must start running back no matter who they play the rest of the season. And they have a very tough schedule and they've got some serious quarterback issues. But Quinshot Judkins is finding a way to get it done.

[Adam]

Yes, he is. We had a Buy or sell? We'll do a little buy or sell later. Buy or sell? Quinchon Judkins is an RB one until further notice. It's got to be a yes, right? Probably close to it at least.

[Dave]

We might be able to find 12 running backs we'd rather have than Quinn. Sean. But whether we call him a number one or a number two running back, it almost doesn't matter. He's a must start.

[Adam]

Okay, Heath, who's a big loser today?

[Heath]

I'm gonna steal one of Dave's and say lad. Lad McConkey. I'm just ready to admit it. Adam, you are a genius. You were brilliant with all of your Quentin Johnston acquisitions. I obviously should have accepted Isaiah Likely for Quentin Johnson. I should have accepted CD Lamb for Quentin Johnston. And Lad McConkey. Can't catch.

[Adam]

I have no idea why I drafted so much Quentin Johnson. It wasn't something I set out to do. It just, you know, saw him in the. One of the names in the rankings the late rounds that just, you know, whatever.

[Heath]

I remember you talked about it in the preseason, like Javante Williams and Quentin Johnson were your. Your early targets. And then you were looking to add Kenneth Gainwell at some point.

[Adam]

Exactly.

[Dave]

Sounds suspect.

[Adam]

Well, would you. Right now, who would you take rest of season? Quentin Johnston or Lad McConkey?

[Dave]

Quentin Johnston.

[Heath]

Yep.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Dave]

And it. It this goes beyond week four for lad McConkey. Heath, you're exactly right. It wasn't a great game for him. He had some drafts, some were tougher than others. But it's now four games. His targets, 9, 5, 7, 6. And he and Keenan Allen just continue to share those short area targets around A. Gadsden got in for some short area targets last week and just a few this week. Only three targets for Gadsden. Quentin Johnston. Not only is he getting in on some of the short area targets, his route tree is great. He's winning downfield. And he did it again on a touchdown today. The dude's monster 36 targets. That leads to the Chargers. 337 yards. That leads the Chargers four touchdowns in four games. His worst game is 14.9 PPR points. Welcome start status. Quentin Johnston.

[Heath]

Like everything really turned up, Adam, this week. Jackson dart. Quentin Johnston again. Isaiah Pacheco scored double digit fantasy points.

[Dave]

Mets missed the playoffs.

[Heath]

The Mets.

[Adam]

I'm not happy about that. I'm not happy about that.

[Dave]

You're a Yankees fan.

[Adam]

Yeah, I don't care. I only. I hate the Red Sox.

[Dave]

I don't even care about the Mets.

[Adam]

No. Yeah, whatever.

[Heath]

Like the Chargers and the Chiefs, like the Mets don't matter to the Yankees.

[Adam]

I mean they matter to some Yankees fans, not to me. Yankees, Red Sox, Wild Card Series so that's going to be pretty fun. Okay, so big winner, quinch on Judkins, big loser lad McConkey, where he was started in 82% of leagues, gets Washington next week. You got to figure it's going to turn up eventually. But I understand if a lot of people are going to want to put him on the bench. Although we do have the bi weeks beginning next week. We also football fans have the BET MGM app and the promo code fantasy if you sign up. But you got to bring that playoff energy because the Pro Football Boost Pack gives you three ways to boost your payout on a winning bet. Just log into your BetMGM account to receive your boost pack. Place any pro football bet and apply one of the tokens. Make sure to bet up to the minimum stake odds and legs specified on the token and if your boosted bet hits, you'll score a bigger payout. From opening kickoffs to game winning drives this Pro Football Boost Pack as your ticket to unforgettable moments this season. Don't wait on the sidelines. Join the action with BetMGM, BetMGM and Game Sense. Remind you to play responsibly. See betmgm.com for terms. 21/only there's a lot that I want to watch the all 22 on this week. How did AJ Brown have nine targets in such a bad game? How did Jameson Williams get all those targets and have such a bad game? Kind of things that we don't we don't really know the full answer for, but that will probably or hopefully talk about tomorrow on beyond the Box Score in the mean.

[Dave]

Might have an answer for you on the Jameson Williams one.

[Adam]

Yeah, what's that?

[Dave]

Goff's arm was not good. This wasn't a good game for Jared Goff. We can talk about it more when we get to the game.

[Adam]

Sure. News and Notes Lamar Jackson left with a hamstring injury. He gets Houston next week. Score may have had something to do with it, but Cooper Rush is their backup. Very different type of quarterback. Obviously. If you want to be encouraged I will tell you that he made five starts in 2022 and CD Lamb was on pace for 167 targets, almost 1300 yards, 12 touchdowns. Rush made four starts in 28 starts in 2024. Lamb played in seven of those games was on pace for 165 targets almost exactly the same as in 2022 and about a Hun and about 1300 yards and 11 touchdowns. Nearly identical numbers. Kind of weird. So he was able to support CD Lamb. So we'll talk about, we'll get more information about Lamar Jackson. That's a pretty new injury. Running back notes I don't really have any running back injuries. Jamie is running back to be on the show. Hello, Jamie.

[Jamie]

Hello, Dave.

[Adam]

Did you want to get into running back snap counts now?

[Dave]

Why don't we do it when we talk about each game?

[Adam]

All right, so we'll tell you the snap counts that matter, like the Patriots running backs, the commanders running backs, etc. Okay, Jamie, I'll give you the tough one here. What does the Malik Neighbors injury mean? It's feared to be a torn acl. What are your thoughts for the Giants going forward?

[Jamie]

I mean, obviously it sucks, you know, especially with all the promise of the win and Jackson Dart and the way that he performed especially early in the game, you know, may have been a little bit better for him if he had Neighbors to play with, but just, you know, sucks when you have a star player like this that that goes down and it's going to miss the rest of the season. So you never want to see this. I think the, the fallout would be, you know, Darius Layton tends to step up in these spots, so he's somebody that's going to be, you know, on, on the waiver wire in the waiver of our discussion for the next couple of days. Wanda Robinson should benefit from this, you know, and, and maybe just the run game as a whole and Cam scatterable. But I mean, obviously, you know, this was, you want to see Jackson Dart play out his rookie season with, you know, one of the best receivers in football, and now you get robbed of that. And so we'll see what that means for his development. But obviously, just fantasy wise, NFL wise, reality wise just sucks. You know, you hope that Neighbors is back fully ready to go for the start of the 2026 campaign.

[Adam]

We don't have confirmation yet on the torn ACL, but obviously it looked really bad and it's. I've got this. I propose that if the Giants win next week at New Orleans, they should trade for Tyree Kill because the Dolphins will be one in four at best at that point probably. So you heard it here first.

[Heath]

You're all in. You're all in.

[Adam]

They have to at least try to be all in, right? I mean, they, they're all going to get fired if they have.

[Jamie]

I mean, you do realize that The Dolphins have the jets and the Panthers in the next two games, right?

[Adam]

I mean, yeah, but they're also the Dolphins, but yeah, I'm sorry.

[Jamie]

The Giants are the model franchise in the NFL.

[Adam]

Yeah. All right. Puka Nakua left, but he came back. Darnell Mooney left with a hamstring injury. Calvin Austin left with a shoulder injury. He's going into his bye week. So is Darnell Mooney, for that matter. Cedric Tillman left with a hamstring injury. Maybe this will be something that boosts Jerry Judy because Tillman was ruled out almost immediately with that hamstring.

[Jamie]

Gabriel. Jerry Judy, just like we all hoped.

[Adam]

Yeah. Haven't heard anything about the Browns quarterback situation right now, but it's bad. Minnesota up next for. For Cleveland that games in Europe and Ricky Pierce all left with a knee injury. And then he came back and then he left again. Juwan Jennings left, but he did come back and I believe he stayed in the game. So Pearsall, the knee is. Is a concern. Offensive line. Well, the Ravens are the most injured team in the world. Three more starters on defense, plus left tackle Ronnie Stanley got hurt. Minnesota, two offensive linemen. Minnesota got hurt and they have Cleveland next week. Yikes. Carolina didn't need any more injuries on their interior offensive line. But their right guard left with a knee injury. The Chargers. So this is. This was a problem today. No question. It was not a good team to face without. Obviously, they're without their. Their starting left tackle, Rashawn Slater, but now Joe Alt, their right tackle, he left in the first quarter. He could be out and he's been there.

[Jamie]

Left tackle.

[Adam]

Sorry, I switched. I knew I had switched that. I even wrote left tackle in the notes. Sorry. But whatever their left tackle, Joe Walt's been. He left and he was under pressure a lot today. Justin Herbert, and they get Washington next week. Raiders left tackle Colton Miller left with an ankle injury. The Browns were without both of their starting offensive tackles. One of them is out for the season. Conklin hopefully will be back soon. And Philadelphia right tackle Lane Johnson left with a shoulder injury. There are also some defensive notes, but we will. Oh, there's one. One that I really wanted to highlight was, other than the Ravens, the Buccaneers, the injury report I saw after the game. Two defensive linemen and three defensive backs left in the second half of that game for Tampa Bay. So if you need a quarterback, you might want to think about Sam Darnold next week against the Bucks. All right. And with that said, why don't we do the early waiver wire Jamie, have you made any early waiver wire progress?

[Jamie]

A little bit I don't have in front of me, but I could tell you some of the. The names that stand out. The number one guy would be Woody Marks. Clearly.

[Adam]

Yes. The Woody Marks era might be here. Woody Marks, his 53 rostered, he had 21 touches and two touchdowns today. Started in only 5% of leagues. He's at Baltimore next week, which used to be bad, but it's not that bad anymore. Woody Marks, number one would. Who's. Would you go with? Darius Slayton? Is that. You mentioned him.

[Jamie]

Number two overall.

[Adam]

I don't know who else. It's not a great. I don't think it's a great week. Right.

[Jamie]

I mean, you got to take a look at Justice Hill right now because the. The game flow for the Ravens is probably going to be bad if Lamar Jackson's not there. And we've seen what Justice Hill or really the. The non Derrick Henry running back. You think about the last year in Tennessee when it was Ty J. Spears. You think about what it could be right now with Justice Hill, like when the game script is bad for him, he's not on the field and the game script could be bad for them right now moving forward. So this is not a Justice still over Derrick Henry situation. But I mean, this could be, you know, one of these guys that. That has some, you know, staying power move forward. But obviously, yeah, Darius Slayton, the receivers weren't great. I know just from going through that there wasn't a lot of like, oh my gosh, you have to go get these receivers.

[Adam]

Right.

[Jamie]

I think there was another running back.

[Heath]

That maybe Gainwell, the first running back ever score 30 points and not be in the most headed.

[Jamie]

Well, the, the problem is is that their bias next. You know, you're. You should go get him. You should put him on your. I mean this was somebody after week one that we talked about and then just kind of never really mentioned him again. You know, it's just kind of like a throw in if you have an open roster spot. But yes, clearly Kenneth Gainwell is going to be a priority as well.

[Adam]

Okay. All right, let's take a break. We'll do some buy or sell when we come back because he's. Mike is dismayed that Heath is dissing Drake May.

[Dave]

There we go.

[Adam]

Yes.

[Heath]

We should have started the show off with that.

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[Heath]

No one ranked Drake May outside of the top 10 this week.

[Adam]

Maybe he means every year. I don't know.

[Dave]

Oh, he might be talking about seasonal, right?

[Adam]

Yeah, maybe.

[Heath]

This was a great fantasy performance. It was such a weird game. The Panthers were just like the worst version of the Panthers. But yeah, I think that's possible. He had 200 yards passing and 11 yards rushing, but he had three touchdowns, so it was awesome.

[Dave]

17 pass attempts.

[Adam]

Yeah, you're kind of. You're kind of giving him a backhanded compliment there, but he was really good and Drake May is going to be tough. Drake May is one of these players that I actually, not that I ever look at who my opponent has, but would hate playing against. He has big upside every week, I feel.

[Jamie]

I. I believe based on how the game unfolded for Jared Goff and Drake May, Drake May is now overtaking Jared Goff for most completion, highest completion percentage in the NFL.

[Adam]

Oh, that's amazing. Actually, Mike, who is dissing Heath for dissing Drake, whatever it is, he sent me a. He loves to send me all this Drake. My hype. Drake May is the first Patriots quarterback since Tom Brady in 2007 to have three straight games with a 75% or more completion rate, 200 or more passing guards, and two or more pass touchdowns According to real sports. I hope that's true. I should have fact checked that. All right, next.

[Heath]

I think Mike's earned the right. Just read whatever stat he sends you.

[Adam]

Yeah, I agree. Buy or sell. C.J. says buy or sell Derrick Henry, who had eight carries for 42 yards and two catches and a blowout loss to the Chiefs.

[Heath]

I'll tell you on Thursday night. I was thinking, you know, Nick's probably going to come around on that Derek Henry for Trey Benson offer. And after today, I think he's probably not.

[Adam]

Oh, is that over?

[Dave]

Under 20 PPR points for Henry in his last three games combined.

[Heath]

Under.

[Adam]

Under.

[Dave]

It's over by 0.8.

[Adam]

Such an Azer stat what you just did right there. But are you genuinely, are you generally buying or selling Derrick Henry?

[Jamie]

I mean, you're probably going to get him cheap as. As you know, the cheapest he's been since he broke his foot. You know, like this looks bad right now. If Lamar Jackson, their buy is week seven, I'm not mistaken. So Lamar, if he's not right, maybe out through week till we gate. And if Lamar's not playing, Derrick Henry is not going to be very trustworthy.

[Adam]

Really? I think he'll be started in 90 of leagues next week.

[Jamie]

Oh, I don't disagree with that.

[Dave]

Will he be ranked as a top six running back though?

[Heath]

No.

[Jamie]

So I was concerned this week. He was outside my top 12. I don't know where you guys were.

[Dave]

I had him in my top 12.

[Jamie]

So like this is, this is a problem for them. Their offensive line's a mess. Ronnie Stanley's probably not gonna, you know, play next week based on his injury track record. If Lamar Jackson's out, like they could get behind the Texas, which is not something I'd ever thought I'd say.

[Dave]

Right.

[Jamie]

But he's still number two running back. He's not going to be a sit.

[Dave]

Their defense is terrible. So beat up right now. And that's going to force the issue for their offense. And when they're trailing, as the snap count will suggest today, Derrick Henry isn't the main guy. And we know about the, the splits between wins and losses. That goes back to his days in Tennessee. And the schedule is Houston this week, Rams next week. And Rams did a nice job against Jonathan Taylor save for one play that got called back then a buy and then, man, does it get good because it's Chicago, it's Miami, Minnesota at Cleveland. Okay. Three out of the next four after the buyer are pretty good. I think if you can get Derek Henry cheap You should get them, but it's got to be kind of cheap.

[Adam]

Okay. Quinton Johnston for Derrick Henry straight up.

[Jamie]

Today.

[Adam]

Yeah, I am.

[Dave]

I am kind of a big fan of Quentin Johnson today.

[Jamie]

I'm going to say Derek Henry. We find out that Lamar Jackson's out for three weeks. I'm taking Judkins.

[Adam]

I just saw an update on Lamar.

[Heath]

Wait, did you say Judkins or Quentin Johnson?

[Adam]

Johnston.

[Jamie]

Johnston. I'm sorry.

[Dave]

Yeah, I kind of. I kind of like Johnston, but I. I don't know if I could take him and trade for Derek Henry.

[Adam]

You'd rather have Henry?

[Dave]

Yeah, I mean, I. I feel like I'd rather have Henry for the balance of the season. As much as I like what I've seen from.

[Jamie]

It's also position scarcity. Like you're not going to find Quentin Johnson out there, but you're definitely not gonna find their Henry out there.

[Adam]

Okay. The Pro Football Talk update on Lamar Jackson felt like a grab his hamstring strain. He'll be evaluated on Monday. All right, next up from. We've already talked about the next two in buy or sell, Quintean, Judkins and Lad McConkey. I'll read the McConkey one from Mo. Lad McConkey is no longer startable.

[Heath]

That's going too far.

[Jamie]

I think he's no longer startable in.

[Adam]

A two receiver league.

[Heath]

You said there's a lot of wide receivers on by next week. Commander's past defense wasn't good today.

[Dave]

True.

[Jamie]

Giants pass defense has been good all season though, right?

[Adam]

Right.

[Dave]

That's a good point. He and McConkey had a bad game. He could bounce back next week. But he had two bad drops receiver. I don't know.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

I also graded the Chargers with the most favorable receiver schedule rest of season. You're Also great for McConkey but also.

[Jamie]

Keenan Allen and also offensive line woes. Now for them, like there's a problem.

[Dave]

Did their season just turn into the Saint season from last year? No, because.

[Heath]

No, it's the Charger season. It's the Charger season from every year.

[Dave]

It might be that too. But remember the Saints looked amazing after two weeks. They had a bunch of offensive line injuries and then everything collapsed.

[Jamie]

This is Justin Herbert. It's a big difference, guys.

[Dave]

Yeah, I'd like to think so. And the receivers are better too.

[Heath]

But I wonder with the way next week, I wonder if with the way Hampton broke out and with the pass protection problems, if they go back to the run heavy.

[Jamie]

Yep, maybe.

[Adam]

But they're about to play A much, much better run defense in Washington than what they face today, by the way. We used to make this excuse for teams. We don't do it anymore. West coast to east coast, one o' clock start. Not easy, right?

[Heath]

I mean, you just can't overcome Jackson dirt. He's inevitable.

[Adam]

Well, also, MetLife is very intimidating place to play. Hardly anyone goes in there.

[Heath]

The turf is.

[Dave]

Yeah, everybody's scared of the turf, right?

[Adam]

Yeah, if you're a free agent. I mean, they, it could all just be a coincidence and speculative, but there's a lot made about the turf at MetLife and it's, it's claimed a lot of ACLs. Napoleon says, are we buying or selling David Montgomery after just a miserable game? I mean, he's got to be. Nine carries for 12 yards. One of the worst games in anyone who has started in more than half our league. 64% started for David Montgomery. No catches, buying or selling Montgomery going forward.

[Jamie]

So this is now the four. If you, if you, if you say that Montgomery is the main rusher for the Lions, I don't think that's a fair statement, but you could put him in the category. But this is David Montgomery, Chase Brown, Derek Henry and Josh Jacobs, the 4, 4 running backs who have faced the Browns this season. This is now 57 carries for 108 yards on the season.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Heath]

He plays the Bengals next week and four teams are on a buy. Yeah, probably gonna be pretty close to RP. 24.

[Jamie]

Yeah, 24. He might be 15. I mean, like, this is the, this is one of the best buy lows you could find.

[Adam]

Yes, but, but here, but okay, there's a big difference between last year's usage and this year's usage so far. And it's not necessarily carries, but it's definitely receptions. In week one, he had four catches. The next three games combined, he has two. So he's, I don't know. Look, he could have four catches next week. I guess it wouldn't shock me, but David Montgomery right now is looking like a, a, no, a completely touchdown or bust guy in, in PPR and even half ppr.

[Jamie]

I, I, I just, if anybody was thinking he wasn't going to be that type of fantasy option. I know what you're saying, Adam. You're not wrong. But like, you're not drafting him for a receiving back. You're drafting him to fall into the end zone.

[Adam]

No, but we were, you know, wondering was the split going to be different this year? And if you recall last year, Jameer Gibbs and David Montgomery, I think they had within one catch of each other before Montgomery got hurt. It was like 43.

[Jamie]

But again, like I understand that blowout. I would not be drafting David Montgomery for. Oh my God. He's going to be in the similar range as Jameer Gibbs as a pass catcher.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's fine. I'm just pointing it out.

[Jamie]

No, I understand. I think just from the standpoint of what's coming up for him, what he just faced, and let's be fair, like he did exactly what he was supposed to do against the bears in week two, which was score a touchdown, get 50 yards rushing and and be a mid tier number two running back. He completely dominated the Ravens which turned out to be the. Turns out to be the Ravens run defense is awful. Struggled against the Browns which is going to be for most teams. So get ready for Jordan Mason next week to be a sit. And then you just mentioned the upcoming schedule.

[Adam]

So.

[Jamie]

I don't know, it feels like a very safe number to running back at this point.

[Dave]

Schedule definitely lightens up. I think what you should expect from him on a good week is what he did in week two, not week three. That was crazy. Not week four. Also crazy. He's going to be like a borderline number two running back every week. Except in the weeks where there's buys because guys are missing.

[Adam]

Well, if we're keeping it a buck, he's probably going to score some touchdowns, right? If we're keeping it a buck. No, you guys didn't see the Cam Ward quote today. Said I can't even read it, but I'm learning what keeping it a buck means. You guys know what keeping it about it means. Keeping it real like 100 honest. Just read the Cam word quote, you'll see it.

[Heath]

Thought it meant winless.

[Adam]

Beyond the box score. Tomorrow noon Eastern and CBS Sports Network Tuesday at 1pm Eastern. Usually we're Tuesday and Thursday, but this upcoming week with just Tuesday, I think maybe even the week after that. But CBS Sports network waiver wire 1pm Eastern. Just some extra waiver wire info for you. All right, Winners and losers.

[Dave]

He described his team as a part of a human body where we sit.

[Adam]

He said if we're keeping it a buck, we're K Sean Booty. Essentially what Cam Ward said.

[Jamie]

Well, I mean the good thing for Cam Ward is he about to get a new coach.

[Adam]

We'll see. Okay, winners for Jamie Drake. London is back eight cat. And Michael Penix was back. Man, he was good today. Yeah, it was eight catches, 110 yards and a touchdown on 10 targets for Drake London. Also Darnell Mooney, hamstring injury. They are going into their bye week. What would you like to say about Drake London, sir?

[Jamie]

You said it. You know, he's back. Just because, just we need to see this, you know, to I think alleviate some concerns about, I think mostly panics, but you know, the fact that double digit targets. Again, you saw the upside of Drake London. I thought the, I don't know, the, the yardage on the throw down the field, but the, the big play on the left sideline like he, he had separation which was like wow for Drake London. So it was just, you know, overall amazing day and bigger picture though hopefully this is a sign of things to.

[Adam]

Come moving forward and yeah, Woody Marks with A big day. 17 carries, 69 yards and a touchdown. Four catches, 50 yards and a touchdown in a Texans win over the Tennessee Titans, who have been really bad against the run for what it's worth, but so is Baltimore and that's their next opponent. But he's 53 roster and I think you pretty much said he's the top waiver wire priority. But what do you see going forward for. For Woody Marks?

[Jamie]

I hope it's what the Texans see going forward for Woody Marks, which is. This is their guy, you know, and add some life to their backfield. You know, Nick Chubb has given them some good moments. Obviously the, the touchdown run against the, the Bucks in week two, but clearly his, his best days are behind him. And you said it, something we talked about in the, in the preseason as well. Like they traded up in the NFL draft to go get Woody Marks. This is somebody that they clearly coveted and want to see what he can do. And now you're seeing what he's capable of. So let's not put that back in the box. Let's continue to make Woody Marks your featured running back. And hopefully this could be a guy that we, we consider in the flex range, if not number two running back range for the rest of the season.

[Adam]

Would you guys rather have Woody Marks or David Montgomery?

[Jamie]

Great call. I probably would take the upside of Marks.

[Heath]

I'll take Marks.

[Dave]

It's the versatility that he seems to have that makes him a differentiator here too. Here. The, the one thing that we're forgetting about is who might be back in Houston's backfield this year.

[Jamie]

That doesn't sound like it.

[Adam]

Yeah, I haven't heard a word about Joe Mixon.

[Dave]

I hear you.

[Jamie]

But yeah, the last thing we heard.

[Dave]

Was out of nowhere, it's like, yep, he's Ready? Here he comes. I mean, he can literally hop back off the pup.

[Jamie]

On Tuesday, the last thing we heard was we appreciate the work that he's done for our team.

[Adam]

All right, let's go to Dave's winners. Xavier Worthy, 45% started five catches for 83 yards on eight targets, plus two carries for 38 yards. He actually led the team in rushing.

[Dave]

Xavier Wordley rushing and receiving and to.

[Heath]

Give Patrick Mahomes a break this week.

[Adam]

But Pacheco caught more touchdowns than Xavier Worthy. I will point that out. You also had Quinn, Sean Judkins, we talked about him, but. Yeah. What do you think about Xavier Worthy going forward?

[Dave]

I think you've got to look at him as a. For now, a borderline number two, number three fantasy receiver. And we know that Rashid Rice will eventually come back. But, man, Xavier Worthy looked good first game back over 100 total yards and didn't even play every single snap. He was in for like, about two thirds of the snaps. It was good. And this chief's offense looked a heck of a lot better with him back on the field.

[Adam]

Yeah. Now this is going to be a big topic. Should we sell Xavier Worthy now?

[Jamie]

Because.

[Adam]

Because Rashid Rice will be back after two more games.

[Dave]

What would your answer be, if you can? Sure. But what are. What are you turning them into? Are you turning them into Quentin Johnston? I would do that.

[Adam]

You'd rather have Quentin Johnson than Xavier.

[Dave]

Johnson than Worthy rest of season?

[Adam]

Heath?

[Heath]

I would not make that move.

[Adam]

Do you guys think Rashid Rice is going to seriously affect Xavier Worthy?

[Heath]

Yes.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Dave]

Yes.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Dave]

But it doesn't mean that Worthy is going to be a bad start. He might be a little boomer bustish, which is why I'm gonna couch him as a, let's say somewhere between 22 and 28 overall in receiver rankings.

[Adam]

They usually throw at least on average, probably 36 per game. I'm guessing every year.

[Heath]

Kelsey could just go away.

[Adam]

Yeah, that would be the rising Worthy.

[Heath]

Could both be good.

[Adam]

That would be my hope. All right. And Heath, your winners are Travis Etn. Big game for him. 19 carries, 124 yards and a touchdown and one catch at San Francisco. And very nice road win for Jacksonville. They won, right? They hung on. I forget. Yeah, they won for that fumble. Yeah, they tried to give it away. And Cam Scatterboo. And he had 27 touches for 90 yards this week. So ETN and scatterboo.

[Heath]

Yeah. Good fantasy day for one of them. Not so much for the other, but I think, like, pretty big statement here for etn. Both in terms of the split in touches between him and Tutin and the performance of etn. The touchdown run was phenomenal. And I. I've kind of been ranking him as a low end number two. You're probably starting him. We probably need to rank him a little bit higher than that, at least until something changes because he's run very well and the run game's kind of the only thing in this offense that works right now. Scatter Boo. I just thought like that was maybe the most conservative game plan I've ever seen in my life. And that's great news for Cam. Scatter Boo. He still looks good running the football and they're probably going to run the bowl if they can stay in games at least 60 of the time.

[Adam]

Okay, and is it easy to take ETN over Brian Thomas Jr. At this point?

[Jamie]

Yeah, you have to.

[Adam]

Yeah, I'm getting tired of talking about Brian Thomas Jr. He's we. Nobody even put him in the like losers notes because he's just.

[Heath]

It's really one of his best games of the year.

[Adam]

Yeah, I know. And it wasn't good. All right, so let's go to the other losers, Calvin Ridley and Brock Bowers for Heath. Is Ridley droppable? Is Bowers sittable?

[Heath]

I would say that Ridley feels droppable Certainly in a 10 team league, in a 12 team league, it probably depends on how deep your bench is. But I just. He's not even the number one wide receiver on his own team and his own team cannot pass the ball, so that's a bad combination. And Bowers, I don't know. Like I was really hopeful with the full practice on Wednesday, but is just not Brock Bowers right now. And I still think at some point this season he is. I really do not want to sell low, but he's not the guy you drafted him to be.

[Adam]

Can I give you a little optimistic spin though?

[Heath]

A little optimistic spin would be that he only completed two fewer passes to the opponent than they did to Brock Bowers.

[Adam]

Well, he only threw 21 passes today, Geno Smith and six of them went to Bowers and seven of them went to Myers.

[Heath]

I'm a little bit concerned that with two, three interception games in the first four weeks of this season, maybe throwing the ball less is going to seem like a better plan to them if.

[Adam]

They can run the ball. I mean, they just face the horrible run defense. They get the Colts and the tight Titans in a couple of weeks. A good matchup. Yeah. All right. He's a loser. I'm not Disputing it, but he got.

[Dave]

The finished outside of the top 12among tight ends in PPR each of the last three weeks.

[Adam]

Okay, Dave, your losers are Lab. McConkey, who we talked about, and Keon Coleman is LAD. McConkey sittable. Is Keon Coleman droppable.

[Dave]

McConkey is suitable and Keon Coleman is droppable. I'm really disappointed about it. I'm kind of beating myself up over it because I. I was rooting for this guy. Heard a lot about him. Really loved all the reports from preseason and just there's.

[Jamie]

There.

[Dave]

There are targets. It's the Buffalo offense from last year. Maybe I was expecting Josh Allen to throw a little bit more, and maybe he will, but for now, I think I can get away with dropping Coleman, picking up somebody else off the waiver wire, and then if Coleman does well again, I can double back and put him back on my bench. But you can't feel good about starting him, especially when both Shakir and Kincaid have been putting up better numbers over the past few weeks.

[Adam]

But next week's a little interesting with New England. It's going to be a big test for the Patriots, but I feel like they can score, right?

[Dave]

Yeah. I'm the problem. Okay. So if he has a big game next week, it'll be a little surprising because I would imagine that you'll see a lot of Gonzalez on Coleman. The type of receiver that Gonzalez usually lines up against is the outside physical type of receiver.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And then what does it mean? Does it mean that Keon Coleman, you can only start him in games against tough matchups like that's back ass words. It just sounds. I just don't think you can have a lot of confidence in. In Coleman, no matter who he's playing at this point. And so if you need the bench spot, you can give up Coleman.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Dave]

It's a knife in my heart, Adam.

[Adam]

If you guys were gonna buy low on. I'm gonna give you three players. Not. Not Keon Coleman. You're gonna buy low on any of these three guys. Who would it be? Would be Brock Bowers, Lad McConkey or Brian Thomas Jr. Who do you think has the best chance to bounce back?

[Dave]

Thomas Jr. Bowers by a mile.

[Heath]

I'll say Bowers.

[Adam]

Okay. Why Bowers by a mile?

[Jamie]

Well, first off, the position that he plays. So if you can get his caliber of production that we were hoping for, that's not the same as finding the other two players at their positions.

[Adam]

Look at that. I think that was a Matthew golden go route for A huge gain. No, no. Maybe not a go route, but huge gain. Okay, sorry, sorry.

[Jamie]

The other part would be, is that is. Is he still working his way back from the injury and if he gets back to 100 healthy, like that's something that is hopefully fixable. Like Makaki's got so much competition right now and Thomas just looks lost. So I think Bowers has the easiest path to success at a position that you can't find a lot of guys like him.

[Dave]

I almost feel like you're gonna have to give up more for Bowers though, at this point.

[Heath]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie]

Oh, that's fair.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's true.

[Dave]

So you can give up less for btj. And he's. Aside from the wrist, he's healthier than Brock Bowers. So I. And. And I think he's maybe. I. He's not turning the corner as fast as I thought he would. And I obviously didn't watch enough of the game today to know just how many misses there were between him and Trevor Lawrence.

[Jamie]

I don't even know if he had.

[Dave]

Any drops today, but yeah, I think he can still.

[Adam]

He had a ball on the sideline that he did a pretty bad job getting that foot down. Like you gotta get that foot down.

[Jamie]

Yep, sure. And then there was one where there was looked like it was a back shoulder throw that he just kept going.

[Dave]

Right. I remember seeing that one. So that's another miscommunication and that sucks. But it's. It's a long season and I could see him eventually getting on the same page. He's so talented, man, and still so fast.

[Adam]

All right, Jamie, your losers are Jameson Williams and Geno Smith. Jameson Williams with eight targets but only two catches for 40 yards. And Geno with 13.8 fantasy points with the three interceptions.

[Jamie]

So Jameson Williams are probably gonna get some questions about dropping him. I wouldn't do that just yet because the eight targets were encouraging. So hopefully that there will be some connection coming. And they do get the Bengals. It is on the road, but there is a bounce back spot for him in week five. So hold through one more week, but we are going to get the. Is it time to move on from Jameson Williams conversation again? The answer for me would be no. Obviously I gotta own Geno Smith. He was the start of the week and he was not good. Three interceptions were terrible. Two of the throws were awful. Like it was the exact same throw on the exact same route and the exact same interception. The third one was just a great play by Stevenson. You know, kudos to him for you know, jumping in front of Jacoby Myers. It would have been nice if he got the third touchdown to Deontay Thornton. He under threw him, you know, but could have been an easy touchdown if he, if he leads him. So that would have made things a little bit better for Gino. Obviously would have been right around 20 fantasy points. But this was not what I was expecting by far. You know, just taking on the Bears and what the quarterbacks have done against this defense and he just looked really, really bad. So Genti saved him on, you know, a couple of plays. Genti saved the Raiders, you know, kept him in this game. And so I, I think, and it's funny because I wrote this in start sit that the, the lead into the start of the week was. It would not shock me if this is Ashton Genti's breakout game because of the Bears defense and I regret putting that out there for the Geno Smith managers because it came to fruition. Obviously. Great to see Genti do this, but I think just to Heath's point about Bowers, they seem to just get scared of Geno, especially when the run game was, I mean, they ran for over 200, what, 80 yards. So it felt as if Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly were like, yeah, this isn't a Geno day. This is a Genti day and we can run on this team, so let's do it. And then they had to have him throw a little bit at the end. But in any event, Dino is probably done as a. Done in the conversation. Yeah. Quarterback.

[Adam]

Yeah, right.

[Jamie]

You.

[Adam]

You trusted him. Now he's broken our trust. He's not in the circle of trust anymore. All right, we're going to take a break and tell you about every game, everything you know from all the games. We'll be right back on Fantasy football today.

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[Heath]

All I could think about was Jacob Gibbs. Jacob made such a good point on the show this morning about how Adnai Mitchell could be a sneaky play. And then he wasn't even with that.

[Adam]

He was probably a good sneaky play. Juwan Jennings was open for a touchdown. Brock Purdy, who played in my, from what I saw very poorly today, missed Jennings wide open and Brandon Cooks had an over a touchdown ooverturn. Okay, Pittsburgh, Minnesota. Pittsburgh 24 Minnesota Episode of 21 Heath what do we got?

[Heath]

Believe it or not, TJ Hawkinson is droppable.

[Adam]

Hey guys, what do you think?

[Heath]

Browns this week by next week.

[Jamie]

So how many tight ends are we dropping at this point?

[Heath]

Like 32.

[Jamie]

Hawkinson is 1.

[Dave]

Right. I'm ready to drop it from a starting lineup requirement in my fantasy leagues.

[Jamie]

You got to drop both Browns tight ends at this point, right?

[Adam]

Yep.

[Dave]

Yes. Who else I think you can drop?

[Adam]

You can't. I mean, you can't just keep dropping guys because you have to have somebody to add. I would probably drop Hawkinson for Brenton. Strange, but not necessarily. I mean, who am I gonna Add at this point Jake Tongas, if Pierce all's out, that's a one week band.

[Jamie]

Kiddos eligible return this week.

[Adam]

Right. So I, I'm like, I think Addison, I think Hawkinson stinks and I can't take it anymore. But I don't know that I can drop them because there's.

[Dave]

You can certainly consider dropping him if you find another tight end that you like. But you got to find that tight end.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And if you.

[Dave]

And if you can't trust Hawkinson against Cleveland, absolutely. Now is the time to drop him. Because of the buy following.

[Jamie]

Well, I mean, Theo Johnson may become a little bit more of a thing with the neighbor's injury. Something to keep an eye on.

[Adam]

Right. But you're not going to drop Hawkinson for Theo Johnson.

[Jamie]

No. But there, there hopefully is a few people in your league that have Kincaid on their bench, pits on their bench. You know, two guys that have made some plays so far this season. You know, those are. Those are options.

[Adam]

Okay. So do you think things will be better or worse for the Minnesota Pass catchers when J.J. mcCarthy regains the starting job? Thomas is putting his thumb down. I completely agree. I think worse.

[Dave]

Yeah. I don't know if they rush him back, but they need to find good offensive linemen. That to me, that's the bigger issue. They're about to play the Cleveland Browns with one starter, two starters.

[Heath]

We're gonna get our lowest over under.

[Jamie]

The season in that game. Yeah.

[Heath]

35 and a half maybe.

[Dave]

Yeah, it could be. Yeah.

[Adam]

So just give me an answer. Do you think better, better or worse with McCarthy's back? Sorry? Better or worse when McCarthy's back for the past Coursers? Yeah. Yeah.

[Dave]

I'm gonna say a little.

[Jamie]

You saw what the potential is for Jefferson. I don't know. I mean, can McCarthy do this? Probably. It's Justin Jefferson, but like this was what we were waiting to see all season.

[Adam]

All right. And then for the other side of the ball for Pittsburgh, what do you think the Dave, what do you think the running back situation looks like? If Jalen Warren's ready to return in week six after the buy, I would.

[Dave]

Think that Warren will go right back to being the primary. And if he struggles, at least the Sealers know they've got something in Kenneth Gainwell. He played 77 of the snaps, all of their 10, third down snaps, all of their snaps inside the five. There were only three, but he looked amazing.

[Adam]

This is.

[Dave]

This might be the best Kenneth Gainwell's ever looked like ever as an NFL running back and game Script had something to do with it as well. But they could absolutely see him in a different light now after the game that he had today. Especially since Warren had a bunch of games where he was inefficient as a runner.

[Adam]

Yeah, well, they both did to be fair, but. Yep. So Minnesota, we thought they were going to be really good against DK Metcalf and they weren't. He only had five targets, but he turned it into 126 yards and a touchdown.

[Dave]

He had a huge play. He had a really huge play that saved the day.

[Adam]

Okay, we go to our next game. Detroit 34 and Cleveland 10.

[Heath]

Jameer Gibbs and Amon Ross St. Brown are the only Lions worth starting.

[Jamie]

Don't believe.

[Dave]

Depends on the matchup.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Next week. David Montgomery is a mustard guy.

[Dave]

They've got Cincinnati.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Dave]

They're all mustard guys.

[Jamie]

I don't know if Jameson, you could call them mustard guys. I'll find.

[Dave]

I'll start Dan Campbell at tight end somehow.

[Adam]

Do we hold off on dropping Jerry Judy until we find out more about Tillman?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Adam]

Heath, do you want to get in.

[Heath]

There on Jerry Judy?

[Adam]

I don't know. You sound like you were going to say something and I cut you off.

[Heath]

No, I said that Dan Campbell might score more fantasy points than Sam laporta if he was playing right in.

[Adam]

Yeah. The Port is different than Hawkinson, though, right? We can't. We can't be thinking about dropping the Porta.

[Heath]

There's nobody to drop them for.

[Adam]

That's true.

[Dave]

LaPorta's 6.9 PPR points against the Browns is the third most by a tight end this year through four weeks. Noah Fan has the most. That's 12.6.

[Jamie]

Just.

[Dave]

And then the legendary John Fitzpatrick, 9.2 in week three. Good for him. He caught it.

[Jamie]

Just. Just keep in mind LaPorta got off to a really slow start last year and then got real hot at the end.

[Dave]

Right? Right.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Is he a buy low?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Dave]

Yes.

[Adam]

It's also really you if you buy low on Brock Bowers and he gets back to what he is. I mean, this conversation that we've been having should tell you how valuable Brock Bowers could be or how valuable George Kittle could be, or Trey McBride who hasn't been great, but at least you know you're never taking him out of your lineup because tight end really stinks right now. And Tyler does that.

[Dave]

Every Brock Bowers manager knows exactly that. No, they're not gonna.

[Adam]

I, you know, I think they'll be hasty. People are impulsive.

[Dave]

Him or Want a ransom?

[Adam]

People are impulsive. You would. But I don't know, I don't know about the average guy.

[Jamie]

Well, I mean, again, tight end has been a little weird because you have two guys that, that were not universally drafted, or I should say three guys not universally drafted as starters that have played very well so far. And Tucker Craft, Jake Ferguson and Don Kincaid. You have one guy that was expected to be a top three tight end that got hurt in week one after having a big game in George Kittle. And I don't know, I mean, I.

[Dave]

It's.

[Jamie]

It's about average. Hunter Henry. Another guy, Juwan Johnson. Another guy.

[Adam]

Like, yeah, all right, let's. Well, speaking of Hunter Henry, how about we go to our next game, New England 42 and Carolina 13.

[Heath]

I'm gonna just lean into what you said this morning, Adam. Believe it or not, Tedro McMillan's overrated for fantasy.

[Adam]

Can I just clarify? I think I said he's been overrated for fantasy, you know, and he was again today. Yeah.

[Jamie]

By low. By low. By low. Dude, I wanted to go, are they.

[Heath]

Gonna, are they gonna start Andy Dalton.

[Jamie]

Off to Miami we go and then.

[Adam]

Dallas and then the Jets.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

By low.

[Jamie]

By low, by low.

[Adam]

Although we were excited about the Patriots and he came through with, with 10.2.

[Jamie]

People, we also cautioned ourselves and, and our audience that Christian Gonzalez could return and it could be a problem.

[Adam]

We did. So he's over having a pretty good defense.

[Dave]

Their front's been good all year. All year, pretty much.

[Heath]

Stefan Diggs 100 yard game now revenge game against the Bills.

[Adam]

This is actually a big development. Yeah. What are we thinking about Stefan Diggs? He's only 76% rostered. Would he be the number one wide receiver for you if he were available on waivers?

[Jamie]

As of right now, yes.

[Adam]

Dave, someone's asking in the chat what was the Patriots backfield split?

[Dave]

I'm glad you asked because. Who do you think led the way? Because we, we had a lot of talk about Travion Henderson all week long.

[Adam]

I'm say it was very close. I'm going to guess Ramandre Radre was.

[Dave]

The leader in snapshare. It was not close. It was 660 for Ramandre Stevenson, 31 for Trayvon Henderson, 17 for Antonio Gibson. Gibson played the most inside the 10, 4 of 6 snaps. All seven third down snaps went to.

[Adam]

Gibson, Henderson, Henderson, Ramandre Stevenson.

[Dave]

Wrong.

[Heath]

So Ramandre was first in snaps and third in fantasy points.

[Dave]

Right.

[Adam]

He didn't score, the other two did. But this is.

[Dave]

Yeah, And I should also. I should have prefaced by saying those are just the snaps with Drake. Maybe I don't care about what they did with other quarterbacks in the game.

[Adam]

Well, what do you make of that? What's your fantasy takeaway from that?

[Dave]

It's annoying. They should have given more work to Trayvon Henderson. But it's what I was worried about, and it's just. It's annoying. And I don't know what it'll take for the Patriots to get away from Ramandre Stevenson to the point where Trayvon Henderson can use his talent to help this team really explode and get to the next step. They're being very, very. What's the word I'm looking for? Cautious. Is that the word I'm looking for?

[Jamie]

Or.

[Dave]

They're treating them like a rookie and they're. I don't know.

[Adam]

Yeah, well, it's not great.

[Dave]

You almost wish Belichick was there because, you know, after two fumbles from Ramandre Stevenson, that Travion Henderson would start to play more. There's obviously something going on that's keeping Henderson from seeing that full work, from getting even 50 of the snaps. So what is it? Is he not good in pass protection? Does he not know the whole playbook are the. Is Josh McDonald's just treating him like a rookie? We're never gonna know.

[Adam]

We're just.

[Jamie]

Also, they don't want to lose Ramandre. You know, I kind of got that tone from Variable. Like, we don't want him to be thinking he's in the doghouse and never going to come back from it, recover from it.

[Adam]

Who's the running back? You'd want to. You'd want to roster in New England.

[Jamie]

No Travion.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And. Okay. Would you rather have Woody Marks or Trayvon Henderson rest of season?

[Jamie]

That is a great question.

[Heath]

I'm gonna stick with Trayvon.

[Jamie]

I'm stick with Trayvon, too.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam]

But the fact that you're debating it, I think, shows us. Shows everyone where we are with Trayvon Henderson.

[Dave]

Sure. Yeah.

[Jamie]

I mean, look, if. If he can't get additional playing time when those two guys combine for three fumbles in a game that they should have won, I mean, it could easily be three in one right now and, you know, if not four zero with playing the Raiders in week one. You know, so they're in the mix. They're going to be in the mix for a playoff spot this year, deservedly so. I think they're. You know, we always get this with a new coach. Comes in and, you know, things just turn around quickly right away. But the way Drake May is playing, I think again, the defense is pretty solid and now getting better in the secondary. Like, there's a lot to like about this and if Diggs can establish himself as that number one guy, there's a chance that, you know, they could be really good with a great schedule.

[Adam]

There were a few backfields that were somewhat of an even split this week and, you know, or. Or maybe it looks like things might be changing a bit. One of them was Houston. We've obviously talked about that. One of them was. Was Carolina. And it's maybe a two week trend here. Chuba Hubbard had 10 carries and three catches. Rico Dowdle had nine carries and one catch. David, you actually have the splits there.

[Dave]

I do. Chuba Hubbard 65 to Rico Dowdles 40. Keep in mind that there were some players where they were both on the field. Dowdle has taken over the third down rule, 8 of 11 on third downs.

[Adam]

Okay, Heath, what do you think? Are you worried about. You worried about Chuba Hubbard?

[Heath]

I think he is in the DeAndre Swift, Tony Pollard cesspool where during the buys you're gonna start those guys because they get a bunch of touches and when nobody's on a buy, you're gonna hope you don't have to. But the way the running back position is right now, like, you're gonna need somebody to really come take their spot. We're not getting a lot of the injuries. I mean, Woody Marks is nice if he's available in your league.

[Adam]

All right.

[Dave]

Giants were snaps with Bryce Young, by the way. Again, I should have prefaced that.

[Adam]

No. Thank you, though. All right, John, I'd like to see.

[Heath]

Some more snaps with andy Dalton.

[Adam]

Giants 21, Chargers 18.

[Heath]

Believe it or not, Jackson Dart just had the greatest rookie quarterback debut for the New York Giants.

[Adam]

Definitely not. Definitely not. Daniel Jones was so good. Are you in cahoots with Schaefer? Like, hey, let's get this, this graphic up compared.

[Heath]

I said no such thing.

[Adam]

Yeah, right.

[Heath]

I didn't. I don't know why you would think it was my idea, but I mean, it's really an impressive comeback or not come back.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Win over a team favorite over you, completed 65 of his passes, ran a totally legitimate NFL offense.

[Adam]

It wasn't. It really wasn't that impressive.

[Jamie]

No, the first drive was awesome.

[Adam]

Yeah, but it mostly is.

[Jamie]

But again, he loses neighbors. Like, it's not. It's not fair. It's not fair.

[Adam]

It's not fair. It's also One of the knocks I had on hard evaluation.

[Dave]

I'm sorry.

[Adam]

No. It's gonna be hard to evaluate him going forward, you know, for the Giants. Sure. But go ahead.

[Dave]

One of the knocks I had on dart was that I was worried about how quickly he'd be able to make full read progressions or full field progressions with his reads. And I think he struggled with that today. You're not going to know until you watch the coaches film. But looking downfield and finding throws, he didn't have a completion longer than 18 yards.

[Heath]

I didn't think they really put him neighbors out. I didn't think they really put him in positions to do that. Like, it seemed like it was pretty clearly this. This or run.

[Adam]

Yeah, a lot of running and a.

[Jamie]

Lot of design runs too.

[Heath]

Right.

[Adam]

Well, we'll talk about him on the waiver wire show. We have talked about McConkey and Quentin Johnston. We have not talked about Keenan Allen. He had another seven targets. He had five catches for 37 yards. So his first bad game. His first game with fewer than six. 17 fantasy points in PPR for Keenan Allen. Would you rather have Keenan Allen or lad McConkey rest of season?

[Dave]

I think I'd rather have the young guy.

[Jamie]

I would rather have McConkey too, because Alan has some injury risks.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Dave]

And he's not as fast.

[Adam]

All right. And who's the best Giants wide receiver rest of season? Give me a one word answer.

[Jamie]

N a Monty Tumor.

[Dave]

I'll give you an answer.

[Jamie]

I'll say Slayton.

[Adam]

Yeah. Slayton's role changes a little bit when neighbors is out. Okay. Buffalo 30. Buffalo 31, New Orleans 19.

[Heath]

I don't know what to. I mean, the Bills are so. Bills.

[Adam]

Give me a chimera. Believe it or not, he had 15 carries and four catches. He had 72 total yards.

[Heath]

Alvin Camara has a Kendra Miller problem.

[Dave]

Believe it.

[Jamie]

I think Alvin Camara has a Kellen Moore problem.

[Heath]

He had four catches.

[Adam]

Yeah, it wasn't that bad for two yards. Is he in the cesspool?

[Heath]

I. I would say he's like on the beach. Of the cesspool.

[Dave]

Was this a beach or a pool?

[Adam]

What does that mean?

[Heath]

Like, he's. As you enter into the pool, you're gonna start Alvin Camara over the cesspoolbacks. But as you're in, you're. You definitely feel like you're getting into the pool. It's like one of those zero. Was it zero depth pools where you walk in and then it just gets a little bit deeper with every step by low.

[Jamie]

By Low by low. Off to the Giants we go.

[Adam]

Chimera.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Adam]

You think he's gonna get traded? Oh, oh, oh, he's gonna trade.

[Dave]

I believe they have a very favorable schedule. Rest of way.

[Adam]

Yeah, well, they have the Giants, Patriots and Bears coming up, right?

[Heath]

Well, the Bills have been a very favorable schedule for run games. I think they've given up more run yards than they have pass yards this year.

[Dave]

Yeah, it's probably true. I don't think Camara looks bad, by the way. I just think he's stuck on a bad offense and he doesn't get the same type of target share that we're used to him getting.

[Jamie]

What is he on pace for reception total right now?

[Heath]

45.

[Adam]

He has 13 in four games. So 13 divided by four times.

[Heath]

Oh, like 50.

[Jamie]

55 would be a career low. If he plays a full season, he's.

[Dave]

Averaging 3.8 yards per catch. That's the problem. There's your problem more than anything else.

[Adam]

All right, let's go to Philadelphia 31 and Tampa Bay 25.

[Dave]

Miller played a third of the snaps.

[Heath]

By the way, believe it or not, you should try to sell Saquon Barkley off of his touchdown because it's not gonna get a lot better than this.

[Jamie]

He did not look good and he got banged up in the game right before he scored the touchdown.

[Adam]

No, I don't. I don't buy it. I sell it. I don't believe it. He's got the Giants twice in the next four weeks. That's a total of 400 yards. Bear.

[Dave]

No, I just still averaging over 15 PPR points per game.

[Adam]

Do you ever go to your. Do you ever think to yourself, do we like anyone? Right. Derrick Henry sucks. Saquon Barkley Sucks. Brian Thomas Jr. Sucks. Malik neighbors is out for the year. Jamar Chase sucks. Like, we got to believe in someone.

[Jamie]

We really got to do Wednesday, redraft the first round.

[Adam]

Yeah, no, we will. For sure. It's going to be the three Rams.

[Jamie]

I can't wait for Quinn Johnson. 4th overall.

[Adam]

Omarion Hampton looks like a first rounder probably, but yeah, he does get any kick coming off a game against the Giants. No. Would you guys believe that? That you should try to sell high on Barkley?

[Jamie]

No, I mean, again, like, what are you getting for him?

[Adam]

Hampton or Barkley? Rest of season?

[Jamie]

I want to say Hampton.

[Heath]

I'll still take part.

[Adam]

Four targets per game for Barkley. That's pretty good. Now let's talk about A.J. brown. Oh, boy. So the first two games, which is he's not happy and he's had. He's had eight to 10 targets in three straight games. And he's turned that into 27 yards, 109 yards and seven yards. So maybe a little bit of this is on A.J. brown, but how concerned are you guys about A.J. brown?

[Jamie]

Very concerned because of who he gets next week.

[Adam]

He gets two next week.

[Jamie]

The Broncos.

[Adam]

Broncos. All right, but if we're not doing this week to week, are we playing for the season? Are we con. Are we still optimistic? Are we still feeling like AJ Brown is a second round type of player?

[Jamie]

No.

[Heath]

So, man, I would have a hard time ranking 24 players that I thought were first and second round types of players right now.

[Adam]

If you're looking at this, I'm still optimistic. If you're looking at this screen, Heath, it has Jalen Hurts, Bucky Irving, Saquon Barkley, ameca Abuka, and AJ Brown. How many of them are top 24 players rest of season?

[Heath]

I'll say Bucky.

[Adam]

Barkley.

[Dave]

Yes.

[Adam]

Probably Abuka.

[Heath]

I would not say yes.

[Adam]

Hurts.

[Heath]

No.

[Dave]

It's the top 24 part that throws me off too.

[Adam]

Yeah. But if all of these players that we thought were top 24 players are not good, then why don't we just accept that the quarterbacks who are good every single week are part of our should be.

[Dave]

Oh, you mean like Lamar Jackson?

[Adam]

Well, okay, guys get hurt. But Lamar Jackson was averaging 32 terrible.

[Dave]

Before he got hurt.

[Adam]

Lamar Jackson was terror. Oh, today he's been the best player in fantasy. First three.

[Heath]

Well, he had before this week.

[Adam]

Yeah. All right.

[Dave]

It has nothing to do with the injury. He didn't play very well today.

[Adam]

He had time to turn the game around. But you're right, it was a bad game. Maybe he was playing hurt, I don't know. So I don't. I don't think so. What about Abuka, guys? So Buka has. How many targets did he have today? He had 10.

[Dave]

10 targets. Four 101 and one. Saved by a 77 yard.

[Heath]

No, those are rush yards, not targets. I'm sorry.

[Adam]

He had 10 targets though. And he had it. He always gets these big plays. I mean, he has been so. I don't want to say lucky, but buoyed by big plays, specifically big touchdowns. But he's. He's been amazing. Jamie, where are you on a Buka.

[Jamie]

Must start wide receiver rest of way. I mean, until proven otherwise. Now we'll see what happens when Evans and Godwin are there and how the targets are distributed. But this has a very similar. Feel better. But similar feel to what Jalen McMillan was doing at the end of last season, was scoring touchdowns and was a reliable guy in the last five weeks of the season despite a lack of significant amount of targets, just quality targets from Baker Mayfield. I mean, this is a first round talent that is doing this and still learning as he goes. And so today was a change. This was the first time without Evans and with Godwin back. And so as Godwin gets healthier and again, once Evans returns, we'll see what this looks like. But why would you just not ride this for as long as you possibly can? So if you want to sell high, I get that, you know. So if you're confident in A.J. brown, if you're confident in lad McConkey, if you're confident in Brock Bowers, this is the easiest guy to turn into those players because everyone would love to have this right now, especially if you're talking about receiver for receiver trade. But if you believe in what his talent is and can continue to be, you're going to just love having this player on your fancy team.

[Adam]

All right, we're going to take a break and when we come back, we got about five or six games left. We'll be right back after this on fft. It's football season and you gotta keep up with the action. Listen in to Pushing the Pile part of CBS Sports Podcast Network with Mike Renner, Kyle Long and now me, JP.

[Jamie]

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[Adam]

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[Heath]

Believe it or not, Nico Cohen's the top 24 player rest of season.

[Dave]

Yeah, I think he belongs.

[Jamie]

Believe it. I'd still take him in round two.

[Dave]

Yep.

[Adam]

Okay, and how much, just real quick, how much do you think Taije Spears will eat into the workload for Tony Pollard who had 64 yards rushing today 12 receiving.

[Dave]

30% for the first week. Sure.

[Adam]

All right, pick up, ties a Spears. Let's see what happens. Atlanta 34, Washington 27.

[Dave]

Do you want the running back splits for Houston?

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Good. Now I gotta find it.

[Adam]

You have them?

[Dave]

Yeah, I'm gonna have them in like four seconds. Here it is. Woody marks 58. I believe this is the first time this year he had more of a snapshot than Chubb. 12 of 15 on third downs. He had the third down edge last week. So as long as that continues, I think that's really good for Woody marks. Chubb was at 5% and then Brooks and a Gumbawale combined for 7%. No snaps inside the 10 for Houston today.

[Adam]

They're awesome.

[Dave]

If you give me one more second. Last week it was Chubb 51, Woody Marks 49. Okay, so I think, I think the takeover is happening. And I know that d' Amico Ryan's was talking favorably about Marks after the game and how he loved how that like the run game was finally able to give Houston something. And so why were they able to give Houston something? Well, part of it was they were playing the Titans, but the other is that Woody Marks was really good.

[Adam]

Atlanta 34, Washington 27.

[Heath]

What do we want to say about Debo Samuel? Debo Samuel is the best commanders wide receiver rest of season.

[Jamie]

Buy it.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, we don't know how long McLaurin's gonna be out for.

[Heath]

Kyle Pitts is a start for as long as Darnell Mooney's out.

[Dave]

He's looked better this year overall too.

[Adam]

Drop or hold. Jacori Crosby, Merritt, who only had seven carries.

[Heath]

I'd like to hold.

[Jamie]

If you're dropping him for Woody Marks, that's an easy one for me. If you're dropping him for Justice Hill and you're desperate, I can see that because I think Hill is going to get a lot of work moving forward. If you're dropping him for Taize Spears without an IR spot, I'd probably rather hold your Corey crossing.

[Adam]

Would you drive?

[Dave]

How do you guys feel about three way splits in the backfield?

[Adam]

Yeah, they're horrible.

[Jamie]

I love it. A lot of fun.

[Dave]

Rodriguez 39, McNichols 33, Bill 33. You can take a guess on who played all four snaps inside the 10 and who dominated third down snaps. Here's your clue. John Reagan, not Crosky. Merritt.

[Adam]

I'm gonna guess it was McNichols.

[Dave]

McNichols on third down. Rodriguez inside the 10.

[Adam]

Okay, so would you drop Jacori Crosby, Merritt for Kenneth Gainwell. No.

[Dave]

No.

[Jamie]

Okay. No, you. It's just so hard to do that because we don't know what's happening when they come back.

[Adam]

Jacksonville, unless you see here on Monday.

[Dave]

That Jalen Warren is like out for months for some reason, you cannot.

[Adam]

Jacksonville 26, San Francisco 21.

[Heath]

If Bashel Tutin and Travis Hunter are dropped this week, you should just leave them on the waiver wire.

[Jamie]

2 and I would pick up in a heartbeat. 100 I would leave on the way more right.

[Adam]

Why would you pick up tooting in a heartbeat?

[Jamie]

Well, first off, if Travis ETN gets hurt, you're talking about a must start running back and who's already shown you some flashes of potential brilliance. So if we're talking about high end handcuffs, he's near the top of the list.

[Dave]

Very much so. And I believe his snapshare went up today. Just a little bit up.

[Adam]

Okay. I don't even know what to say about Brian Thomas Jr. Anymore. It's pretty bad. I do think he led the team in receiving with 49 receiving yards and everything.

[Dave]

Targets well tied for the team, leading targets, catches, and he led them in yards.

[Jamie]

It's not just a Thomas problem and there's again some, some things that need to be worked out. It's Trevor Lawrence problem. It's a Shane Waldron problem. It's a Liam Cohen problem. There's a lot of things that are not right right now.

[Heath]

It's a lot of problems.

[Jamie]

It's just hold Brian Thomas until maybe things get corrected. But you probably are not starting Brian Thomas, especially going against the Chiefs next week.

[Adam]

The Chiefs, the Seahawks, The Rams and a buy are the next four games. All right, next up, Rams 27, Colts 20.

[Heath]

Believe it or not. You should ignore the last two weeks and start Daniel Jones against the Raiders next week.

[Dave]

Believe it.

[Jamie]

Believe it.

[Adam]

The Raiders, I think they've really only had one bad game defensively. It was against the Commanders last week. Right. I feel like they've been a pretty good defense. It's just off top my head. Jones was wasn't great today, but he could have had a decent game.

[Dave]

He could have been really good.

[Adam]

No, because even if he gets those six points, he still is under 20.

[Jamie]

Now it's like 10 points because of the artist or 12 points with the art.

[Adam]

Oh, he got him yardage.

[Jamie]

Oh, he got the yardage right.

[Adam]

Excuse me, but he probably doesn't throw that great today.

[Dave]

But he was still.

[Heath]

He also had at least one other interception dropped.

[Adam]

Yeah, and he got that strip sack late that was recovered by the Rams, that was by the Colts. That was a bad play. He didn't see that guy coming. But he probably doesn't throw that late interception if Mitchell doesn't fumble. Right. Because they're probably not trailing. Whatever. Whatever it is. But all right, so. So don't panic yet on, on Daniel Jones and you can start him next week against the Rams. Pittman comes through 10 target. Pittman's starting to look like he's going to be amazing draft value. Right?

[Jamie]

I mean, it's. It. You got to say Quentin Johnson, if he was drafted as the best and Pittman might be right behind him.

[Dave]

Nice.

[Adam]

Great Odune. It's like Odunze was first amazing value, then Pitman, then Quentin Johnston. I think in terms of adp, Woody Marks. You know, that's the thing about Woody Mars. He just had a great game against one of the worst run defenses in football. Right. We should probably pump the brakes.

[Dave]

I don't know, maybe honorable mention for Tyler Warren.

[Adam]

Yeah, go line, Go line back. Tyler Warren today.

[Heath]

That could be bad news.

[Dave]

Number two, tight end, right? Like Daniel Jones had negative rushing yards today too. He didn't even try to run and we're used to seeing that from him, too.

[Adam]

Okay, next up, Kansas City 37, Baltimore 20.

[Heath]

Patrick Mahomes is the top three fantasy quarterback rest of season.

[Dave]

Top three.

[Jamie]

I mean, you could believe it. With Lamar being out maybe for a couple of weeks and Joe Burrows out for the majority of the season and what he could look like with those guys healthy. I'm going to say I don't believe it, but I can see it happening.

[Adam]

Okay, but if I said top four, you probably believe it, right?

[Jamie]

I would say top five. I mean, listen, he's not as good as Drake May.

[Adam]

Yeah, I was about to say Drake May or Mahomes rest of season.

[Dave]

And he's averaging more fantasy points per game than Drake May.

[Heath]

Yeah, I'll take. I'll take my homes.

[Dave]

I will too.

[Adam]

Did Isaiah likely play?

[Heath]

He came out on the field.

[Adam]

Okay. He didn't have a stat.

[Dave]

I will get you a stat on him. Give me a second.

[Adam]

You know, honestly, I feel like Kareem Hunt had a lot of short yardage carries and I know Pacheco scored the touchdown, but if we're talking about back over backfield takeovers, Kareem Hunt had 13 carries today and Pacheco had seven.

[Dave]

How many snaps do you think likely played?

[Heath]

6, 7, 25.

[Adam]

Yikes. Yikesley. Who's the best Chiefs running back rest of season?

[Heath]

Xavier Worthy.

[Dave]

I don't know if he's on the team.

[Heath]

Patrick Movie Pacheco.

[Adam]

Point taken. Taekwond Thornton. Drop or hold Chop.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And last game, Chicago Las Vegas Bears 25, Vegas 24. Another blocked field goal. What a weird year this has been to decide the game. Heath, go for it.

[Heath]

I don't want to say Trey Tucker is droppable, but that's probably the obvious answer is yes. In 10 team leagues, DJ Moore is droppable.

[Jamie]

Believe it.

[Dave]

Believe it.

[Adam]

Buyer, buy or sell, this is the time to sell. High on Romo Dunes.

[Heath]

No, thank you.

[Jamie]

I mean, I'll go back to the same thing I said about Abuka. Like, if you're confident in A.J. brown and lad McConkey and T. Higgins and I hope not, but maybe Jamar Chase, you know, guys that are going to clearly struggle, that were first and second round picks and you think that Odunze is going to sort of, you know, struggle, rest away for any reason, then you should make those moves. I would rather have a dunze at this point. Not than Chase, but those other guys.

[Adam]

Okay. He just has. He has what, five touchdowns in four games. But he's also just having a really good, good breakout year. All right, that's pretty much all I got here. You gonna. You considering Jacoby Meyers a start going forward?

[Dave]

Getting tougher.

[Jamie]

You get the Colts next week. Targets were there.

[Adam]

Yeah, targets were there. Especially when you consider they only threw 21 passes. Jacoby Myers had a 33 target share. This is what we saw in week one. Half or more of their passes went to two guys. That's what we want. That happened again in week four. Unfortunately, they only threw 21 times. They didn't have the ball that much, but at least you have that Caleb Williams. I'm just gonna 2. This is his first bad game, so you have to hold on to him through the buy, right?

[Heath]

Yes.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I mean, 10 team leagues, you might be moving on from him, but 12 team leagues for sure. You're holding him. He's been too good.

[Heath]

Commander. Saints, Ravens, Bengals, Giants coming out of the play.

[Adam]

Wow. Cool. All right. And that's gonna do it for fantasy football today. Thanks so much for watching, listening, everybody. Enjoy the rest of Sunday Night Football. If you're watching or if you're listening tomorrow, enjoy Monday Night Football. Two games. And we will talk to you on beyond the Box. Paramount podcasts now streaming.

[Heath]

Everyone who comes into this clinic is a mystery.

[Adam]

We don't know what we're looking for.

[Heath]

Their bodies are the scene of the crime. No symptoms and history or clues.

[Adam]

You saved your life.

[Heath]

We're doctors, and we're detectives. I kind of love it, if I'm being honest. Solve the puzzle, save the patient. Watson. All episodes now streaming on Paramount plus.