Week 8 Recap! Big Day for the Jets, Colts and Eagles. Not So Much for the Bucs and Falcons (10/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

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Fantasy Football Today (FFT) – Week 8 Recap

Episode: "Big Day for the Jets, Colts and Eagles. Not So Much for the Bucs and Falcons"
Date: October 27, 2025
Hosts: Adam Aizer, Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg, Heath Cummings

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers an in-depth Week 8 Fantasy Football recap, spotlighting breakout performances from teams like the Jets, Colts, and Eagles, alongside fantasy letdowns from the Bucs and Falcons. The FFT crew—Adam, Dave, Jamey, and Heath—break down the biggest winners and losers, analyze key injuries, debate waiver wire priorities, and address the most pressing "buy or sell" questions. The lively conversation is fueled by the hosts’ mix of humor, realism, and detailed analytics, providing actionable advice for fantasy managers entering the season’s second half.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Week 8's Winners & Losers

Biggest Winners

• Breece Hall (Jets RB)
  • "Breece Hall has been campaigning to maybe get out of New York, and maybe he just did enough to pique the interest of the other 31 teams in this league by having this monster game against the Bengals." – Dave (04:11)
  • 34.9 PPR points vs. Bengals; proved he can run and throw. Huge trade/cut rumors with Jets on bye next week.
• Justin Fields (Jets QB)
  • "They were ready to bench and Todd Taylor has a knee injury. So Fields gets to play, plays another good game, leads them to a victory. Probably saved his job for a couple more weeks." – Adam (05:08)
  • Showed poise, had 22 fantasy points aided by two-point conversions. Hosts are split on his rest-of-season fantasy prospects due to upcoming tough schedule (@ Browns, Patriots, Ravens, Falcons).

Biggest Losers

• Rico Dowdle (Panthers RB)
  • "I spent so long on Twitter searching, because honestly, of all the terrible games, this might have been the worst one...How's he averaging 6.8 yards per carry and he has eight rush attempts and Chuba Hubbard has 12 for 34?" – Heath (07:14)
  • Conundrum with Panthers RB usage—Dowdle looked better but got fewer touches.

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2. Rapid "Buy or Sell" & Believe It or Not

• Chimera DK (Titans WR)
  • "It's nice to see a coaching staff recognize that one player looks good and they give him more opportunities." – Dave (10:05)
  • An emerging bye-week receiver fill-in.
• Chris Olave (Saints WR) QB Change
  • Hosts undecided if a QB change boosts Olave’s value—uncertainty around the Saints’ situation clouds outlook (11:07).
• RJ Harvey (Broncos RB)
  • "He's a boom-bust flex." – Adam (12:22)
  • Temporary starting appeal; role remains unchanged despite TD outburst.

Notable Quotes:

• "He's gotten great targets over the last two weeks. There's no complaining about that. But he's, he's not making catches that he should be making…" – Dave on Emeka Egbuka (13:17)
• "Buy or Sell: Arande Gadsden will be better than Dallas Goddard rest of season...I'll sell. As much as I love the guy." – Dave (14:22)

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3. Waiver Wire Priorities

• Tyrone Tracy (Giants RB)
  • "He's going to be a must add. He's going to be one of the top priorities… probably a low end RB2…" – Adam (18:48)
• Chimeri DK (Titans WR) and Troy Franklin (WR)
  • DK emerging as preferred Titans WR rest of year; Troy Franklin rostered heavily but worth considering where available (21:01).
• Cleveland RB Situation: Bam Knight as a deep add.

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4. Injury Updates (17:22–20:51)

• Cam Scadaboo (Giants RB): Dislocated ankle, out for season. Tyrone Tracy and Devin Singletary to see increased work.
• Quinshon Judkins (inj. – Ship): Left with shoulder, week-to-week, team on bye.
• Saquon Barkley (Giants): Limped off, groin, "should be good to go after the bye."
• Defensive Injuries: Notable losses include Patrick Surtain, Trey Hendrickson, Cordale Flott.

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5. Winners & Losers: In-Depth Analysis

Jamie Eisenberg's Winners (22:28)

• Chase Brown (Bengals RB):
  • 15 touches, 100+ yards, 2 TDs. "Back to being at least a number two running back" as offense improves with Joe Flacco.
• Jalen Waddle (Dolphins WR):
  • Bounced back with big plays; WR1 with increased Tua chemistry.

Winners of Note

• Romo Odunze (Bears WR): Only 68% started, delivered a 7-114-0 line vs. a tough defense.
• Jackson Dart (Eagles QB): "His worst game but floor is solid because of his rushing." – Dave (27:47)
• Khalil Shakir (Bills WR): Led team in targets, "serviceable No. 3 receiver" moving forward.

Losers

• Rashad White (Bucs RB): Losing carries/goal line to Sean Tucker.
• Dalton Schultz (Texans TE): Three targets despite high passing volume. Injury and snap reduction raise flags.
• Jake Ferguson (Dallas TE): One target, major regression.
• Kendrick Bourne (Patriots WR): "He seems very droppable." – Heath (35:12)
• Wandale Robinson (Giants WR), Darnell Mooney (Falcons WR): Both thrust into larger roles, both disappointed.

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6. Notable Debates and Quotes

• Saquon Barkley v. DeAndre Swift Rest of Season (54:06)
  • "Who would you rather have, DeAndre Swift or Saquon Barkley?" – Jamie
  • "Barkley." – Adam & Dave
• Jamar Chase as #1 Redraft Pick?
  • "Believe it or not, Jamar Chase should be the number one pick if you were redrafting for rest of season." – Heath (63:10)
  • "I think I'm going Bijan (Robinson), just over Taylor because he'll have a lot more catches." – Adam (63:26)
• Tush Push/Eagles Controversy
  • "The Eagles have cracked the code. They made the most illegal play in the world and now they get to run it all the time." – Adam (39:03)
  • Followed by playful Philadelphia praise and apology.

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7. Game-by-Game Quick Hits & Fantasy Reactions

Buffalo 40, Carolina 9 (46:12)

• Keon Coleman:
  • "Keon Coleman is droppable." – Heath (46:17)
• Dalton Kincaid:
  • "You shouldn't care at all about Dalton Kincaid's bad game." – Heath/Dave (46:23)

Baltimore 30, Chicago 16 (48:32)

• Caleb Williams: Remains a must-start QB.
• DeAndre Swift: Share with Mannagai a growing concern; possible sell-high if record allows.

Philadelphia 38, Giants 20 (51:22)

• Jackson Dart: Top 12 QB rest-of-season "not quite" (51:34–53:33)
• Saquon Barkley: After big day, still hard to sell due to injury and bye (53:54)

Miami 34, Atlanta 10 (54:45)

• Dolphins' schedule and passing need discussed; Tua still matchup-dependent start.

Houston 26, San Francisco 15 (57:42)

• Still a messy 4-RB committee; Woody Marks the only possible RB2.

Indianapolis 38, Tennessee 14 (71:29)

• Taije Spears vs Tony Pollard rest of season?
  • "I don't know if there's ever going to be a game script left where we're going to be encouraged to start Tony Pollard under any circumstances." – Dave (71:57)

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Notable, Memorable Moments

• Quip on Recurring RB Committee Frustration:
  • "This is another backfield where there's one player who's clearly better than the other. And the coaching staff's like, nope, we're gonna go with the slower guy." – Dave on several RB situations (58:08)
• Tush Push Rant & Philadelphia Banter: (39:03–44:38, 73:22–74:38)
  • Extended tongue-in-cheek Eagles/Tush Push chat, apologies, Philly fact trivia.
• Almost touchdowns and wild officiating: (44:47–45:53)
• "Tight End Date continues": Ongoing saga with streaming unpredictable TEs (63:01)

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Important Timestamps

| Topic | Timestamp | |-------|-----------| | Week 8 Winners & Losers | 04:06–10:47 | | Buy or Sell / Believe It or Not | 10:47–14:48, 46:12–47:20, throughout | | Waiver Wire Priorities | 17:22–22:28 | | Injury Updates | 17:22–20:51 | | Game-by-Game Analysis Starts | 44:38 | | Key Quote: "The Eagles have cracked the code..." | 39:03 | | Barkley vs. Swift Debate | 54:06 | | Jamar Chase #1 Pick Debate | 63:10 |

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Language & Tone

The FFT crew maintains a casual, banter-heavy tone, mixing fantasy expertise with jokes, rants, friendly arguments, and NFL trivia. The dynamic energy and willingness to critique their own takes make it engaging for listeners.

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Summary Recommendations

• Breece Hall, Justin Fields, Chase Brown, Jalen Waddle, Romo Odunze, Khalil Shakir: Major assets after Week 8—ride the hot hands.
• Dowdle, White, Schultz, Ferguson, Bourne, Mooney, Wandale: Drop/bench candidates.
• Waiver Wire: Target Tyrone Tracy, Chimeri DK, Troy Franklin. Evaluate RB situations based on developing injury news.
• Saquon Barkley Rest of Season: Still preferred over Swift if healthy.
• Fantasy Outlook: Upcoming byes and injuries necessitate aggressive waiver wire and start/sit decisions.

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Final Thoughts

Week 8’s on-field action may have been lackluster, but the FFT pod brings thorough, no-nonsense breakdowns ensuring listeners are prepared to dominate their leagues heading into the thick of the season. Whether agonizing over RB committees, celebrating surprise heroes, or lamenting the Tush Push, the FFT crew’s mix of stats, strategy, and fun keeps fantasy players plugged into the pulse of the NFL.

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[C]

What's up? And welcome to Fantasy football today presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary. Not the word I would use to describe week eight. One. One game that had. It was one possession. One game. I mean, what a horrible week of football this was. The jets game, the only game so far. Jets 39, Bengals 38. Whoo. QB1 is Jalen Hurts. RB1 is gonna be Taylor.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Either him or Breeze.

[C]

It was Taylor. Wide receiver, one is.

[B]

Pittman.

[C]

He's got two first names. Troy, Frank.

[B]

Oh, I know it is. Troy Frank.

[A]

Troy Frank.

[D]

Oh, man.

[C]

Tight end.

[A]

One is.

[B]

Does he also have two first names? No.

[C]

Who would that be? Mason Taylor now is.

[B]

Was Fanon from today, right?

[C]

Yeah, it's Fanon from today. He's tied with Gadsden. They're like within decimal points.

[D]

All right.

[C]

How we doing, guys?

[B]

Good.

[C]

We're good.

[A]

Taije Spears in four leagues.

[C]

Yeah, we're gonna win one of them, so I wouldn't worry about it.

[A]

Somebody started Taije Spears against me four different times on purpose.

[C]

It's great. Y. Well, let's get to the biggest winners and losers. Before we do that, we talked to you about almost touchdowns. How about almost history? Jonathan Taylor was they were talking about on the broadcast. He was briefly considered the first player in NFL history to have three rushing touchdowns and three straight games against the same team. But his third touchdown was actually a catch. So not quite Jonathan Taylor challenging that.

[A]

I'm challenging that because Thomas had Daniel Jones against me in FFT and he's gonna beat me. And I think it was a. I'm gonna be really trying to find the right angle to send that one in.

[C]

He's on Pace for 30 touchdowns. Not Thomas, but Jonathan Taylor is on pace for 30 touchdowns this year. Dave, who's the biggest winner this week.

[B]

Of everybody in fantasy or what?

[C]

Politically?

[B]

Yeah, Listen, man, Bree hall has been campaigning to maybe get out of New York, and maybe he just did enough to pique the interest of the other 31 teams in this league by having this monster game against the Bengals. He proved that he could run. He proved that he could throw. He had 34.9 PPR points in the game after having 13 and change PPR points over the prior two games. Not that people were really nervous about starting Breeze hall, especially this week. So many teams on by so many fantasy players unavailable that Breeze hall was basically a must start, and it was against Cincinnati. It just goes to show you that you want to start players against the Bengals almost no matter what position because they can go off and Breeze hall is an example of that. Was this his last game with the Jets?

[C]

Well, they're going into their buy, so not a bad time to make a trade, I guess.

[A]

I. I thought his teammate was the biggest winner. Justin Fields. They were ready to bench and Todd Taylor has a knee injury. So Fields gets to play, plays another good game, leads them to a victory. Probably saved his job for a couple more weeks.

[C]

There you go.

[B]

It's so funny how the owner calls him out and it looks at the. The week started, it seemed like to Rod Taylor was going to be the starter, right? And then just Fields gets his chance. And again, like the matchup was so, so favorable. We talked about this two weeks ago when I ranted on Justin Fields and Heath. You were the one that said, well, look at who he plays in the next two weeks. And I said, one of his games is Going to be a dud and one of his games is going to be awesome. This was a pretty good game for Justin Fields or if you started him, I think you're happy with the result.

[A]

I, I think maybe more importantly than the fantasy points, like the 22 fantasy points is weird in a couple of ways because if you have 275 combined pass and rush, touchdown or rush yards, you think he'd have two touchdowns and he didn't. But he had two two point conversions to kind of make up for that. But I thought just like. And it's part of it is definitely the matchup, but he played on time more often and played good football. And honestly he's had three of the worst games of the season and he's had four very good fantasy games. Maybe two or three of those were at good actual games. I just don't think after seeing that and then going into a bye week, they can go to Todd Taylor.

[B]

Well, that might be fine and good. Were you done?

[C]

I'm sorry, I know. I'm just saying I want to get to the biggest loser. But I mean, Justin Fields is going to come out of his buy and face Cleveland, New England, Baltimore, Atlanta.

[D]

Right.

[C]

Probably going to lose his job at one point in this game.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

It's tough sledding. The schedule's brutal for, for the Jets. Makes you wonder how we feel about Garrett Wilson. We'll talk about that later on in the week. Heath, who's the biggest loser this week?

[A]

There were a lot of losers. I felt like a loser for watching 75 of the games.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

That were played, I guess Rico Dowdle, although I would say Dave Canales because why don't you just play your best running back? But really took a back seat to Chuba Hubbard in terms of touches, especially late in this game, and was wildly efficient as he has been for the last month. And it just did not seem. I, I spent so long on Twitter searching because honestly this, of all the terrible games, this might have been the worst one. And so I didn't watch a lot of this one and I was like, okay, Rico Dowdle had to have gotten hurt or something. How's he averaging 6.8 yards per carry and he has eight rush attempts and Chuba Hubbard has 12 for 34. This doesn't. Not even a target for Rico Doddle.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's maddening.

[C]

It is. And you know, look, maybe it's enough again to. Maybe they'll make a change. But right now if they don't, it's, it's a problem. They're basically alternating series.

[D]

Right.

[C]

It was just, I think Chuba was in on that series when it was his turn and he got the touchdown.

[B]

I think by the time we got into the second half, it was a lot more of Chuba. Yep, Dowdle.

[A]

That's what I said.

[B]

Again, it was kind of close. Just overall because you're right the way I did watch a lot of this game and they did rotate to start, but Chuba played 59 of the snaps. Dowdle 34 of the snaps.

[C]

I looked at and I agree with you.

[B]

He like you watch Chuba Hubbard run. He's dancing in the backfield. He's just not as explosive. Dowdle has speed on his side. He played with power. He had a bunch of great runs. I don't understand it, okay.

[C]

And neither does Greg Olson. Greg Olson said it on the broadcast at the end of the first half. He was like Dowdle. I think he said Daddle has a little more juice and needs to get the ball more. But I honestly, if you have a chance, you could look into it. I really, I looked at the play by play and it really seemed like they switched possessions. Maybe Chubas were just longer. Then there was one play where Chuba was in. I think they turned it over immediately and then Chuba stayed in for the next possession. But I don't know if it really matters. The situation's not great there. But it is great time for football at BetMGM. And if you register with BetMGM, you're gonna get instant access to the best football variety of parlay selection features. No sweat and boost tokens, live betting options and much more. New players can receive up to 1500 dollars back in bonus bets with the bonus code Fantasy. All right. Use the bonus code Fantasy when you sign up. If you don't win your first bet, you're gonna get up to 1500 dollars back in bonus bets. So you don't want to miss out on any of the hard hitting action at BetMGM. Place your money line, parlay bets and more today. BetMGM. Make it legendary. Do a little buy or sell. Mostly from the late games. Buy or sell Chimera DK 14% rostered 93 yards today by ourselves. Mary DK is the best Titans wide receiver rest of season.

[B]

I'll buy it. It's nice to see a coaching staff recognize that one player looks good and they give him more opportunities. And that's exactly what happened last week. Dk, I thought looked Better than IO Manor. We talked about during the week, we really kind of shied away from going after DK unless it was in the deepest of leagues, but I don't know if we're going to do that anymore. 8 targets, 7 catches, 93 yards. It was a good game for. For DK. He does seem to have a little bit more juice than I.O. manor. It's still the Titans. It ain't pretty, but as bye week receivers go moving forward, DK could fill in.

[C]

Okay. It's either him or Ridley. Right?

[A]

At this point, I was gonna say we don't really. Season isn't over. Right.

[C]

No.

[D]

Dk.

[C]

The good thing for.

[B]

Do we know when he's coming back? He's.

[C]

He's like 78 in the slot, so it's not like Ridley's gonna take him off the field, but could definitely take targets away.

[D]

All right.

[C]

Buy or sell a quarterback change would be good for Chris Olave.

[B]

I don't know if I buy it.

[A]

Because there were only three games on. I did get to see a lot of this terrible game and. Oh, man, I don't think you can really. I think it's a really big challenge because Kellen Moore came out after the game and said, I don't like going back and forth or getting two quarterbacks ready. So we're going to make a decision in the next 48 hours. I don't know how you evaluate Tyler Shuck because of the time of the game that he came in and the game situation. I don't have any idea which of these two guys is better.

[C]

All right, so it's kind of an undetermined one. For what it's worth. Shuck through more to Rashid Shahid. I gave him eight targets, but, you know, last week, Andy Dalton threw a bunch of targets to Xavier Legate and then barely threw them today.

[D]

So.

[C]

Buy or sell RJ Harvey is a thing now.

[A]

He's a. He's a thing.

[B]

What kind of thing?

[C]

A startable fantasy option.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

He played a little more than a quarter of the snaps for Denver. Scored a bunch of touchdowns against a bad Dallas defense.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

He's a boom bus flex.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, he's a. He's a. I don't even know if he's. I think it depends on what running backs are available to you. I think you'll feel better starting him as a bye week replacement than you might, you know, a bunch of other running backs that are only playing a quarter or a third of the snaps.

[A]

I. I think this week. Let me look Because I think I had him like 25 or 26 this week.

[B]

Oh, nice.

[A]

So I think when, when 27. So when, when everybody comes back and we've got, I GUESS we have four teams next week on play.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So maybe he's 28, 29 next week.

[C]

I don't.

[A]

It was great, but his role didn't really change that much.

[B]

Right?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

That's RJ Harvey. All right. Buy or sell. After two bad games in a row, a Mecca Buka will not be a top 12 wide receiver rest of season.

[A]

So.

[B]

I struggle with it because I loved him earlier in the year. He's gotten great targets over the last two weeks. There's no complaining about that. But he's, he's not making catches that he should be making. There was a target in the end zone. He was covered tightly, but I would have expected him to come down with that one for a touchdown. And I just, I wonder what's going on. I know. Remember before week seven, there was talk that you could miss multiple games and now he's playing through an injury. It might be affecting him and it could cost him the chance to be a top 12 receiver.

[D]

All right.

[C]

Encouraged I guess by the targets though, he has 21 targets in his last two games, but only seven catches for 60. No, I'm sorry. For 93 yards on those 21 targets. And believe it or about buy or sell. Still, still doing buy or sell right now. Arande Gadsden will be better than Dallas Goddard rest of season. Goddard with two more touchdowns on three targets today, but he's been double digit PPR points in all but one game. Buy or sell, Gadson will be better than Goddard rest of season.

[B]

That's a great question. I'll sell two. As much as I love the guy bothering unique situations for a tight end, Gadson's got a crowded receiving core, even though that team will throw more, I think, than Philadelphia will. But Goddard's used more in the red zone than he has been in the past. We don't know how long A.J. brown's going to be out for. It's a slight lean toward Goddard, but it's close.

[C]

Okay, wonderful. That'll conclude Buy or sell. But tune in for Buy or Sell's cousin, believe it or not, a little bit later. And we'll be right back after this break on Fantasy Football today.

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[D]

All right.

[B]

Yeah. But if you think he's going to score three touchdowns in a game like Taylor has four times this year, then they better be playing the Titans. But I don't think they will be.

[C]

That's it for that. So let's talk about this Scatter Boo injury and Heath, what do you think it means? TYRONE Tracy is 51% rostered. You know, is he going to be the easy number one waiver wire ad?

[A]

I am not probably thinking of all the people we might add on waivers, but he is going to be a must add. He's going to be a one of the top priorities and if I'm not thinking of somebody, he's probably the top priority, probably a low end RB2, probably gonna live in that 22 to 26 area in the right in the rankings when nobody's on a buy.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Yep, it's about right. He had 77 of the snaps after Scatterboo left. Dominated third downs, dominated inside the 10. Remember, the other running back there is Devin Singletary, so both are going to play each week, but I would imagine that Tracy will have a considerable advantage as long as he holds on to the ball. That's been an issue for him and.

[C]

It'S that route participation that's great for the Giants running backs. For Scatter Boo. Scatter Boo had one of the highest route participation rates while Tracy was out and it was still good when Tracy was back. Just wasn't as good. But you saw Scatter Boo. Had a touch of. Great move, great route. Touchdown catch today, and that's going to help. Tyrone Tracy. Wide receiver Jimmy Horn for Carolina. He left with a shoulder injury. Rashid Shahid hobbled off at the last minute of the game, but he looked okay. Ran off, I would. I should say. Giants tight end Daniel Bellinger left in the third quarter. I didn't see any major offensive line injuries. And defensively, Patrick Certain, I think he played the first half and didn't play at all in the second half. He had a shoulder injury, not the shin injury he had earlier in the game. So Certain left that game. They get Arizona, then a buy Buffalo defensive end or defensive tackle at Oliver. He can't stay healthy. He came back. He left with a biceps injury. Giants were already down two defensive backs. They lost another Cordell Flot to a concussion. They get the Niners next week. Trey Hendrickson came into the game a little banged up and then he left with a hip injury. That's the Bengals best edge rusher. And Chicago lost a couple of players on their defensive line. They get the Bengals next week. That could be a nice high scoring game. Dolphin safety Mika Fitzpatrick left with an injury. All right, early waiver wire. Any names come to mind? Other than Tyrone Tracy? I mean, with Jamari dk, you're going to be making.

[A]

Oh, sorry, no dk.

[C]

Oh, yeah, I think so. Anyone else? Troy Franklin coming off this huge game. Any interest?

[B]

Yeah, he's already rostered in 62% of leagues.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

We'll be adding him, but he's been kind of like the tight ends. Not named Ronnie Getson this year. We've added him before, right?

[C]

Maybe we should ask Mr. Waiver Wire himself, Jamie Eisenberg. Let's do our. Let's do the early waiver wire. FFT Express right now.

[D]

Ready? Sure.

[C]

All right, Jamie, who's the headliner for the Early Waiver Wire?

[D]

I'll tell you tomorrow on fft.

[C]

We know it's Tyrone Tracy and Chimeri dk. What is Joe Flacco's roster percentage? Let's see that he is. Oh, he's too rostered. He's 84 rostered. So disregard.

[D]

Got Brown's running backs.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Bam Knight. Still, I'm sure.

[C]

Yes, that is a good one, Jamie. He's just. He's Mr. Waiver Wire.

[A]

He's Mr. Waiver Waiver Wire in his blood.

[C]

All right, well, that was a great segment. Let's get to some winners, Jamie, your winners. Chase Brown, who had 15 touches in this game, but over 100 total. Yards, two touchdowns on my stinking bench and Jalen Waddle. Okay, Chase Brown, Jalen Waddle. How you feeling about them? And by the way, Jamie didn't do the start of the week as his winner, but he could have because the start of the week was awesome. Again, congratulations Bo Nicks 32 fantasy boys. What do you want to say about Chase Brown and Jalen Waddle?

[D]

Chase Brown, two good weeks in a row. Looking good with Joe Flacco as the offense is back on schedule. So again the, the player we were hoping to get because of the offense being great is I would say back. And so you got to feel pretty good about Chase Brown moving forward. Great matchup next week against Chicago. So back to being at least a number two running back. I don't know if he'll return the value that we drafted him to be, you know, as a late second round pick, maybe early third round pick. But certainly got to feel great about what you've seen from him the last two games. And then Jalen Waddle, obviously I thought he was going to be terrible this week given the struggles for tua, the matchup against the Falcons and you know, hit a big play but clearly gave you the fantasy production. You've been, I don't know, coming to expect or hoping to expect from him since Tyreek Hill's injury and again, another player you got to feel really good about. So I guess it just takes two having one good eye as opposed to two good eyes to connect with his, his top receiver. But you know, first game without Darren Waller and it was a stellar performance for Jalen Waddle. And what was a tough matchup prior to this week?

[C]

Yeah, I mean I'm interested to go back and watch the, the coverage because I know his long touchdown catch was A.J. terrell was not defending Jalen Waddle.

[D]

I figured that was a great place. Yeah.

[C]

But he's lined up on Terrell's side. It was weird. I don't know what that, what that was all about. So whatever it was is great for Jalen Waddle. And if he started and he was started in 77 of leagues. So kudos to you if you and does it but the thing on Chase Brown, does it bother you at all the role that Samaj P. Ryan is playing?

[B]

Because I was gonna bring this up.

[C]

P. Ryan has. He had eight carries in this game on first or second down. He had five last week. Those are season highs. Each week he's kind of, he's splitting. He's not 50, 50 split Jamie. But does it bother you at all.

[D]

It doesn't bother me. While Chase Brown's playing like this and the offense is operating like this, it's obviously not the most ideal situation, but again, given what we went through from week two through week six. Yeah, I'm thrilled.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[B]

So it's been pretty close to 50. 50. Browns had the edge but today is an example competitive game, high scoring game. Chase Brown played 53 of this snaps. It's 43 for P. Ryan. P. Ryan definitely dominates third downs and passing down, so that's not going to change. But the fact that P. Ryan was able to have as many snaps inside the 10 as Brown had, that's a little nerve wracking. The fact they had as many carries as he did. I think game script is going to. It's crucial for every running back but it's especially crucial for Chase Brown. If he goes into a game where we think Cincinnati is not going to be able to compete for whatever reason, you absolutely cannot start him. The worst part is that when he goes in a game like next week against Chicago, we're we're going to expect it to be a high scoring game. We figure that Cincinnati will stay in it. If it goes sideways for Cincinnati, we're going right back to Chase Brown being maybe 10 PPR points. I don't think that's going to happen. I'm still going to rank Chase Brown like a quality number two running back. But I just. The game like today, I don't know how many of those there are left for Cincinnati.

[C]

All right, Heath, let's get to your winners now they are Justin Fields who we talked about and romo Dunes. A only 68% started. Very surprising to me. Seven well but even still like Waddle was 77 started. I'm surprised that Odunze was only 68. Seven catches, 114 yards on 10 targets at Baltimore after two straight games with 31 to 32 yards. Very good stuff here. And Bengals next week.

[D]

Can I give you. And he was and gives the analysis. Just I think what we're going to see on some of these guys unfortunately when they're coming off of bye weeks at this point in the season some people have checked out.

[C]

Really? This week was two weeks ago.

[D]

No, I'm just saying it's. It's probably so what'd you say it was?

[C]

68.

[D]

I'm gonna guess it probably should be 70 something.

[B]

I'm gonna say it had more to do with how he played in the two games after his buy.

[A]

Well, that's Adam can Look up what his start percentage was last year probably. I don't know how to do that, but Adam does. I'm always trying to figure it out. But no, I, I think like one of the things, it wasn't just me, it was Jacob too, I guess. But one of the things that really changed is his first read rate was obviously up early in this game. He was a priority that he had not been the last two weeks. And that's awesome stuff about, you know, it was a bad matchup for DJ Moore and he ended up having a good game. Although he probably should have gone out of bounds on that last catch.

[C]

Yeah, right, right, right.

[A]

But listen, bad, bad game for Caleb Williams but a good day for Kate, for Roma.

[D]

Dude, today.

[C]

Oh man, I got a dunes a start. I gotta double check this. I got a star percentage that's 57 last week coming off of one bad game. That's surprising to me. But okay. Yeah, I'm sorry, did you, did you want to say anything else about him? Just like.

[D]

Nope.

[C]

Okay. Dave, your winners. Jackson Dart, 21.4 fantasy points at Philadelphia and Khalil Shakir. These two guys by the way, were started in fewer than 50% of leagues. Dart and Shakir. Shakir with. He's so good after the catch, it's crazy.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And he had 88 yards and a touchdown on seven targets at Carolina.

[B]

So with Shakir, it was his first game post by. He led Buffalo in targets. He took over the team lead in targets for the season, had the long touchdown. He's going to be a serviceable number three receiver at minimum. Not the easiest schedule left for Buffalo, but plenty of high scoring games left for Buffalo. You know, back and forth shootouts. Like next week they've got Kansas City. I don't think that's going to be a 1410 game. Shakir as a short area target, a guy who can win underneath and make a play after the catch. That's, that's going to be gold in Buffalo because they haven't had another receiver step up. Hasn't been Keon Coleman since week two. There isn't another guy in there. Elijah Moore had like a nice sideline catch but his foot was out of bounds. Shakira has just been the, the steady Eddie for Josh Allen and I think it's going to continue to be that way. So have a little more confidence when considering Khalil Shakir moving forward. And I thought going in that this was Dart's toughest matchup left on the season. It was Philadelphia on the road. He had Just seen them two weeks earlier. They were a healthier defense. They were a better defense. He lost Cam Scatterboo in the game and he still found a way to get over 20 fantasy points. He didn't kill you like Dak did or Baker did. He didn't have a monster game either. But plenty of games left on the schedule where you can look at the matchup and say, all right, it's not going to be easy for Jackson Dart and you'll trust him anyway. The. The floor that he gives you with his rushing. We say this about every quarterback that runs. It just. It makes it easier to go with that type of a player. And it's not going away. I think it's four or five games now where he's giving you at least 10 fantasy points with what he does on the ground. So keep it rolling. With Jackson Dart, he had just seven. I know he scored. I didn't know how many yards he had on the ground. I guess it wasn't that much.

[A]

Adam, I know, I know this is a painful watch for you, but I did not. I thought this was Jackson darts worst game. He looked like he was way. And we'll. Let's see what the numbers show in terms of time to throw, but he seemed much less decisive.

[C]

It was the worst offensive line game. I think it's for him. Since that I became the starter. I was pretty surprised by that. They got. They got whooped up front. They got whooped. By the way, I have some. Some faulty.

[D]

Did you think it was a push off by Slayton?

[C]

No, I mean in like the letter of twice. Yeah, but Queen emission was holding him. Was ridiculous.

[D]

Shoulders went up. The shoulders went up.

[C]

It was an awful call. And. And it wasn't even the. It was the third of three horrible calls that destroyed the Giants in that game. But obviously they would have lost anyway. But I mean, Jalen Hurts clearly fumbled. I don't know what the hell that was. They ruled it dead and it was after it was before they whistle. And then there was a false start that they called an encroachment. Was just awful. I got some. Some bad. Some bad numbers there. My bad Anno Dunze. He was started in 93% of leagues this. This week. 91. Last week, 93. So people have not gone away.

[B]

So. No, no one's bailing on a typo there.

[C]

I'm sorry.

[D]

91 this week. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Oh, makes sense.

[C]

Yeah. I'm sorry about that. That's.

[D]

I don't know.

[C]

Typo. Okay. Let's see. Dave's losers are. Oh, are we on losers yet? Yeah, Dave. Yeah. Yes.

[B]

We got your winner.

[C]

Now let's get your losers.

[B]

I mean, well, we could start with Rashad White, who was under nine PPR points for the second straight game. He had some short yardage, goal line carries, couldn't get in. Sean Tucker eventually did. Tucker had one fewer carry in the game going into this week. The three weeks prior, Tucker had nine fewer carries, 11 fewer carries and 11 fewer carries. And yet he still had good efficiency ahead of Rashad White in each of those games. And he did it again this week as well. Rashad White's still going to have a role in this offense. He's going to play on passing downs, he's a good pass protector, he's a good receiver. But he's clearly losing some share to Sean Tucker and eventually Bucky Irving will be back. So it kind of feels like you missed any type of sell high window on Rashad White and you certainly have to have some questions about starting and moving forward.

[C]

And then you had two tight ends. I don't understand this. Of all the things that happened this week, I think the Dalton Schultz thing bothers me the most. Like Nico Collins plays the last three games, in the last four games and he gets six or more targets every game. Nico doesn't play this game. They throw the ball a ton and Schultz gets three targets.

[D]

I don't think he was healthy.

[B]

He got shaken up in the game.

[D]

But in the first shaken up last week and he was on injury report all week. Oh, so every time, if you watch the Seattle game, he was on the sidelines on almost every non obvious passing down situation. And it's either, I don't know if it was a shoulder or chest, something was bothering him, his upper body going into the week, this week, coming off of last week. And it felt as if he wasn't playing very much in this game.

[B]

He played 45 of 75 snaps to your credit, still a lot of snaps. And I know he got shaken up again in this game and left, but I, I first of all, this was like one of a handful of bad calls I made this week and I'm just sick about it. But the simple fact that Houston did find a way to maneuver their offense using the other receivers that they had. It was Xavier Hutchinson, it was Jalen Null, Jaden Higgins got a touchdown. Like that's an encouraging sign for Houston.

[D]

That they were able before he got hurt.

[B]

Yeah, Barrios, he was involved a little bit last week too. And then yeah, he had five Targets and five catches before he got hurt. So just the. Houston did a good job of going after the secondary for San Francisco with their other wide receivers, and they didn't want to just, you know, have a check down. Guy had a touchdown taken away from him. He dole for the. For the end zone at one point, and he was. His knee was down. It was just short. So really close to having a good game, but five targets in the game. I kind of wanted to go with Baker as a loser because he didn't a second bad game in a row. He didn't look good early on. Missed a couple of throws in the game. I just. I'm wondering what's up with Baker Mayfield and how he's. What has happened over the last two weeks. But I went with Otten instead. Yeah, well. But he's still got a buka. But we know he's not 100. We love Tez Johnson, and he had a couple of nice, star nice catches in the game, but he didn't have a ton of targets. Kind of just a weird game for Baker.

[D]

I can't put my fingers. Tough catch, and then Otten gets this score. It's not great for Baker, but it's a different.

[B]

Yeah, right. He doesn't crush you. At least. It's like passable.

[C]

Yeah, man.

[B]

Anyway, not great.

[C]

Baker played very poorly last week. We all saw, you know, it was a spotlight game. Watched every snap of it. He just missed a lot. It's hard to keep up. But that was just a hard to keep up with it, you know, when there's all these games going on. That was just a weird game in New Orleans, you know, hey, I'm going to confess this now, even though I don't have to. I forgot to make a big upset pick this week. I had an upset on my mind. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm feeling this. And it was going to be New Orleans over Tampa Bay, but I never said it. So pretend that you never heard that.

[D]

Well, at least you're owning up to it.

[C]

Yeah, Heath. Your losers are Rico Dowdle, who we talked about, and Kendrick Bourne. 62 roster, he had four targets. Mac Jones threw for 193 yards, 32 pass attempts. Drop Kendrick Bourne.

[A]

He seems very droppable.

[B]

What's that for?

[C]

Jamari. Dk.

[A]

I'd rather have dk. Yes. Fourth on the team in targets.

[B]

The.

[A]

The friendship with Mac Jones seems to be on really thin ice. And Juan Jennings was the clear number one wide receiver. George Kittle's back. He's going to get more targets. Now Christian McCaffrey is going to get more targets.

[B]

Of course.

[C]

Course.

[A]

And I'm not sure with Mac Jones at QB that you want to start the guy who's fourth in targets. And I'm not sure he's going to be fourth in targets by the time Brock Purdy gets back.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

And Jamie's losers are Wandale Robinson and oh, Darno Mooney. Me, oh my. I mean this game, you know what the. Okay, the thing I hated the most was the Dalton Schultz thing. The thing that cracked me up the most was Tyler Algiers somehow scoring a touchdown. Right. Go figure. But yeah, Wandale and Darnell mooney. Darnell Mooney 60 ended up being 66% rostered, had a terrible game. The whole team stunk. But go ahead Jamie.

[D]

Just one thing about bourne and the 49ers passing game. They just played the Falcons when they actually looked good and the Texans in back to back weeks and that's one of the more difficult two game stretches for passing games. They get the Giants next week if that secondary still beat up. I don't think anybody's going to trust Kendrick Born. But just something to consider with maybe Mac Jones or Brock Purdy, whoever starting there. Yeah, we want to start with Mooney. So Mooney obviously I was very excited about this morning when we found out Drake London was out and somebody called me out on Twitter so I want to address it and says I never own up to my missed calls. So I yeah right. That's the case. But heifer Matt Hefner. Matt said Mooney over Pittman. Hahaha. Would just love, would just love for you to admit a mistake just once the season still salty over Woody five weeks ago. So yeah, that was a bad call. I, I thought that Mooney would be better than than Pittman. I thought that Mooney was gonna have a good game because the Dolphins think and he had a great opportunity and Kirk Cousins sucked and the Dolphins defense decided to show up and Mooney was not involved. So yeah, terrible call there by me and Pittman was great. But look, this was a great opportunity and he did not perform well. So we'll see what happens with London's hip next week. We'll see what happens with the quarterback situation for Atlanta. Sounds like panics will be back and Mooney is I don't want to say droppable but he's certainly somebody you're not going to feel comfortable starting even if London's out.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

And Wandello just bad game. I think you know we, we had some questions About Slayton back, you know, the last two games he had performed without. Performed well. Without Slayton on the field, I can't imagine they're gonna have a lot of success running the ball because Tracy's been so bad in his opportunities this season and so chasing the score. Targets will still be there for Wandell. I, I still think he'll be a number three receiver. I think he was put in a spot this week by all of us because of what he had done the last two games and the 16s on by. And so you look at most weeks normal rankings will be a number three or zero.

[C]

He led the team in receiving, but they just had a bad game. They only threw 24 passes. They ran 50 plays. And the fact that Slayton had the most targets, one more target than Wandale isn't great, but it's. But like little Jordan Humphrey had that game with I think eight targets and Wandale still was good. Just a bad game for the Giants overall. No kidding. Okay, let's take a break and we'll get to the rest of it. What you need to know, by the way, if you think you're getting heat from people. I tweeted about how bad the officiating was and all the Eagles fans, including one in the chat today. Quit crying, Adam. Go Birds. Guess what? You run the most illegal play in sports history.

[B]

Oh boy.

[C]

It's so illegal that it is too illegal to even be officiated.

[D]

Right.

[C]

It has broken the officials brains. That's how illegal it is. And this time you actually fold on it. And it was a turnover and they didn't even call that. They, they still. It is so illegal that you are allowed to fumble on the tush push and you still get the ball and score a touchdown on the next play. Congratulations. The Eagles have cracked the code. They made the most illegal play in the world and now they. Now they get to run it all the time. Okay, well, Heath.

[A]

First off, I think we should maybe mention Jalen hurts passing touch touchdown than rushing touchdowns today after that ranch after he fumbled. But I, I just hate the whole offense. Like I know I'm old and I grew up when it wasn't legal, but every time we get one of the with a running back like not just Jalen hurts we one of these big dog piles. And if the offense can keep it moving one inch at a time, the play goes on forever. And if the defense moves them backwards one inch, the play is over and they get the ball back where they had it. And it's the stupidest rule we have right now. You should not be able to push and push an offensive player forwards under any circumstances. Tush push or running back or anybody.

[D]

Yeah, he'll appreciate this. As Jalen Hurts defender the Hard Rock Bet tweeted this this morning or posted it this morning. Jalen Hurts first 73 starts. Jalen Hurts in those 73 starts. 16, 000 passing yards, roughly 155 touchdowns, 39 interceptions. Wow. 51 and 22 record. Lamar Jackson first 73 starts. 14, 740 passing yards, 141 touchdowns, 43 interceptions, 54 and 19 record.

[C]

What was Herz's record?

[D]

51 and 22. They're three games apart.

[C]

He's great and the Eagles are great. I mean they're, they're great. But don't, don't at me, Eagles fans. All right, we'll be right back on fft. Let me tell you about the best food I've had in a long time. It was thanks to Gold Belly. Gold Belly is this amazing site I order from where you can get the most iconic famous food from all across the country and they will ship it right to your door. And by the way, you can get 20% off with the promo code FFT. More on that in a minute. Now I had never had Lou Malnati's Deep dish pizza from Chicago or Joe's famous barbecue in St. Louis. Well, now I have. I ordered them on Gold Belly, got it delivered, devoured those meals and they were incredible. You want Joe's Stone Crabs from Miami, Junior's cheesecake from New york? Go to goldbelly.com just browse, see for yourself. So many great options that you can get there. And and if you're feeling fancy, Gold Belly has meals from world class chefs. So if you're looking for that perfect gift or you want to impress your friends and family with an epic meal, the next time you host, go to goldbelly.com and get 20% off your first order with the promo code FFT. That's goldbelly.com code FFT for 20% off your first order. It's football season and you gotta keep up with the action. Listen in the Pushing the Pile part of CBS Sports Podcast network with Mike Renner, Kyle Long and now me, JP Acosta for smart analysis of everything between the lines. With four episodes a week, Sunday night recaps, film review, power tiers and weekly previews, you will know ball Stick with us until one team lists to Lombardi download and follow Pushing the pile on Apple podcasts, Spotify and anywhere podcasts are found. Today's episode is brought to you by Fabletics. You know, sometimes I try on clothes and they're fine. They do the trick. Nothing special, but when I got my Fabletics clothing, it was different. This stuff is great. Good activewear usually costs a fortune. That's why I love Fabletics. I get pieces that feel premium and perform like the expensive brands without the crazy price tag. So Fabletics is great if you like workout gear, really comfortable stuff. I have both short sleeve and long sleeve shirts that are going to be great for tennis, great for going on a run or just wearing around the house. And if you watch the podcast, you know, I like a long sleeve T shirt. I wear them a lot. Well, I got four of those from Fabletics and I wear them all the time. I'd say that Fabletics is one of those brands that once you try it, you get it. The value, the styles, the flexibility. That's the appeal of Fabletics. So treat yourself to gear that looks good, feels good, and doesn't break the bank with Fabletics. Go to Fabletics.com FFT and sign up as a VIP and get 80% off everything. That's Fabletics.com FFT to sign up as a VIP and get eighty percent off everything. Fabletics.com FFT in the interest of not losing an entire city of listeners, I just want to sincerely apologize for what I said about the Tush push. It has been a play that I have said should not be banned. Now I'm kind of changing my mind.

[A]

But, Adam, you were right.

[B]

Are you serious?

[C]

I didn't think last year, I didn't think it should be banned. They're great at it. Good for them. I just. It is very hard to officiate. And I'm sorry. To Philadelphia. It's a beautiful city. Visited there several times, and I love it. Love cheesesteaks. Of course, I don't get the cheese whiz on it, but I just love everything about. Rocky is arguably the best sports movie ever. Creed is not, but Rocky's great. And that's it. I'm very sorry, Philadelphia. Let's just put this behind us, okay? Buffalo 40 Carolina 9.

[A]

Oh, you should read at least the first line under almost touchdowns in the notes.

[C]

Oh, no. I think we're looking for healing here.

[D]

He.

[C]

I don't think I need to read that. You could read it if you want.

[A]

I'm just reading the notes. I'm Ron Burgundy. Darius Slayton had a long TD called back on a total garbage.

[C]

Just on total garbage. Yeah, I was so bad when I wrote it, and I just. Total garbage. There were actually a lot of almost touchdowns. DJ Moore had his best game and he should have had an even better game. I don't know how that was an incomplete pass at the end that. He was wide open in the end zone. Caleb Williams missed him. Tajie Spears nearly scored on a 42 yard run. Alec Aisle Manor could have had a long touchdown. Cam Ward overthrew him. Jake Ferguson came up a yard short of a touchdown. That was his only catch of the game. Javante Williams scored two plays later, Evan Ingram came up a yard short of a touchdown. RJ Harvey scored a few plays later, we mentioned the Kate Otten one. That led to a Sean Tucker touchdown. Cortland Sutton. Cortland Sutton had a touchdown, appropriately called back on an obvious pass interference. And then on the next play, he dropped a touchdown. It was kind of broken up, I think. And Rashid Shahid, no chest, did it. Okay.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

If she. Shahid was open for what would have been a long touchdown, but Tyler Schuck missed him. Okay, here we go.

[D]

But, oh, you got Tonga stealing George Kittle's second touchdown.

[C]

That was meant for Kittle, wasn't it?

[D]

Of course it was.

[C]

Yeah, because he threw that ball way too hard for Tongas. All right, let's talk about Buffalo 40 and Carolina 9. One of the best games of the week because they were all terrible. Except the jets game.

[A]

I'll give you a double header. Believe it or not, Keon Coleman is droppable.

[B]

Believe it.

[A]

You shouldn't care at all about Dalton Kincaid's bad game.

[B]

I believe both. Yeah.

[D]

We've been saying on the Tuesday show to drop Keon Coleman for a few weeks now. So it's. It's. It's hard to justify rostering him.

[A]

Still 73 rostered.

[B]

Yeah, he should be 7.3% rostered. Not that I'm bitter.

[D]

So, don't care about Kincaid's bad game.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

Brush it off. Start him next week.

[C]

I mean, I believe it because I. I mean, I pretty much have a rule.

[A]

He does face the Chiefs.

[C]

Oh, well, my rule is when a quarterback throws 19 times, I more or less don't care about bad performances. You know, that's what happened here.

[A]

Josh Allen might throw double that next week.

[C]

Yeah, I hope so. Honestly. Keon Coleman might have a good game next week. It could be his last one. But you know that, right? Does that give you any pause to drop him?

[B]

No. None. Nothing? No.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Good game for Tetterol McMillan. 7 for 99 on 10 targets. Do we make anything of that?

[D]

He's not any good, right, Adam?

[C]

Hey, don't, don't, don't twist my words. Not that he's not good. It's that he.

[D]

What do you say?

[A]

I think he said he's not been good.

[C]

Yeah, it's true for fantasy and this is a fantasy show. It's true.

[A]

He's, he's on.

[C]

Enough with this. He hasn't been a top 30 wide receiver. It's a fact. I'm not making this up. This isn't my opinion.

[D]

Two shoulder shrugs in the same show.

[B]

You missed top 10 as of now. For this week.

[C]

For this week. Good.

[B]

It was top 13 two weeks ago.

[C]

And what is he for the season? Dave Richards, is he top 30 now?

[B]

32Nd? 12.5.

[C]

All right.

[B]

He said two good games in his last three. I would argue that he's a rookie on the rise.

[C]

I'm not arguing against that. I'm just saying what he has been. It's a fact. It's not. This is not a debate. This is just a number. This a stat. Baltimore 30, Chicago 16. This.

[A]

Believe it or not, Caleb Williams is a must start quarterback next week.

[B]

Believe it.

[D]

Believe it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. That's why make him a loser.

[A]

Right? I mean he, he was bad today, but I don't know what else there is to take away from this. We get Lamar back next week. Flowers scrambled through a good game with Tyler. DeAndre Swift is awesome.

[C]

Well, again, DeAndre Swift is awesome. I guess I'd make the same argument against DeAndre Swift that I would against Chase Brown. Right. Because Manangai had seven carries, Swift had 11. Manangai did work a little bit near the goal line.

[D]

They.

[C]

I'm thinking Swift worked more there. So is that a big deal? Is that, is that something that we should maybe look to sell DeAndre Swift though, or just keep them?

[A]

It depends on what your record is. I think if you've got, I think if you, if you're up to six and two, then you could really be strongly considering selling DeAndre Swift. And if you need to win the next two weeks, he plays the Bengals and the Giants.

[D]

I think if in, in this scenario like this is the type of player you try and sell for a Bucky Irving, a Omarion Hampton, a player that you think has huge potential toward the end of the season, but you probably need to get something back in return with that player. For Swift at this point, sure.

[B]

I don't like that. He's close to a 50. 50 split with Manangai and as for Manangai having more snaps inside the five that was over the course of the game but four came on the final drive of the game I figured out.

[C]

The Romo Dunes a typo. Those were Romeo Dobbs's numbers again.

[D]

Close.

[C]

There'S a Roman there almost the same thing what else do we got from this game? Baltimore Derrick Henry. That was a terrific performance and it's not much to take away because Lamar Jackson hopefully back next week keep or or drop Mark Andrews.

[B]

He'S droppable so.

[D]

You have K Don on a buy this week you have the Browns guys on a buy this week.

[A]

He plays the Dolphins with lamarbeck.

[D]

Yeah like he'll be in the low end starting conversation.

[B]

Yeah it's where he was this week though.

[D]

I mean you're obviously going to ride that's where he's gonna be on the gas in his hot hand. You're gonna stick with what makes Taylor's gonna buy as well you have I'm trying to think who else like we picked up recently. I'm gonna go right back to Zach Ertz no matter what he does tomorrow night. Why? Because they're playing Seattle.

[C]

Okay well we haven't really seen very little of earth's with both of the receivers there so we'll see.

[D]

We'll see. I mean Seattle's so bad.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Against Titans.

[B]

Okay, I forgot they're still good against everything else.

[C]

Philadelphia 38, Giants 20.

[A]

Another game where with the Eagles going on a buy and not playing with AJ Brown it's hard to take too much out of it. We talked about Wondale we talked about Tracy Jackson darts the top 12 quarterback rest of season.

[B]

I believe it.

[D]

I don't believe it.

[C]

Heath break the tie.

[A]

I don't really believe it either. I, I, it was really nice that he got you to 20 points in this game but I, I didn't think he looked particularly comfortable.

[C]

Right. But you know.

[B]

Well are you then discounting the other starts that he made leading up to this game?

[A]

No, but I, so just all of.

[B]

A sudden he looked uncomfortable and what we already know was one of his absolute toughest matchups that he would have and as of now he is a top 12 quarterback. He won't be because Mahomes hasn't played yet but I still think he can be a low end starting fantasy quarterback.

[D]

Just outside that you know so the like Flaco vs Jackson Dart rest away. I probably had Flacco. It's just hard to, to, to look at the weapons that he has right now. And feel comfortable when he's throwing for less than 200 yards. I know the rushing has been, has been good. It just feels like he's, he's such an injury risk the way that they, they use him in the way that he runs. And so I don't know if he's going to be somebody that his start percentage, unless the matchup is overwhelmingly in his favor is going to be north of 60 consistently. So I, I think if you have. Like I know I, I picked him up in one league where I lost. I, I'm sorry. I was starting Kyler. It's the FC Open. I was. Kyler was my quarterback and I have. The two guys I have on my roster right now are Jackson, Dardner, Rodgers. Like that's, that's. Murray's still out there, so I may pivot back to him. But like that's the type of, I think fantasy manager we're talking about here. You know, somebody that lost Burrow and been trying to manage through it. Poor quarterback situation. Like, I, I don't know, it just feels like he's not in that must start group. And I think top 12 at that position is must start.

[C]

Buy or sell? Believe it or not, Philadelphia has the richest history and is one of the most underrated cities in America. I guess I believe that. And the other thing I'd ask is buy, sell, hold. Saquon Barkley. You know, before this game he looked like one of the biggest busts in fantasy. Now he has this huge game against a terrible run defense.

[D]

What do you think? Do we know himself?

[C]

It seems like he seems so hard.

[A]

To sell with a, with a, with a red cross next to his name and a bye week next to his name.

[D]

But if you are again so rest of season, who would rather have DeAndre Swift or Saquon Barkley?

[A]

Barkley.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

So if, if the Barkley manager is going into their bye week hovering around 500, that's. That's a trade you might be able.

[B]

To pull off straight up something for Barkley, right? Yes, but it's got to be a pretty good something.

[C]

Yeah, but Barkley said that he was fine, that they just pulled him, that they kept him out of the game because of the score. So not the first time an athlete.

[B]

That offensive line is going to get healthy. He showed out in this game against the Giants. I'm. I'm feeling pretty good about saquon. Not top five good, but still pretty good.

[C]

Miami 34, Atlanta 10.

[A]

The Dolphins are back.

[B]

Do not believe it.

[C]

I don't believe you.

[A]

I mean, I guess it's really just two because Asian and Wadler both must start.

[B]

Yeah, that's right.

[A]

It's. It's not a. Not a bad schedule at all.

[C]

I'd rather just gonna have to throw. I mean, Baltimore, Buffalo, Washington, all at home. Is that right? Next three games. Dave, check that for me there. Three straight home games. I don't even know if that matters, but I think he's gonna have to.

[A]

Throw in all three of those.

[B]

Yeah, Three straight at home, then a buy and then another one. Oh, one of the games is in Spain.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

The Washington game is in Spain. It's technically a Dolphins home game, but still after that game, after their buy, they're home against New Orleans, then at the Jets.

[C]

I don't know, man. Everything about this game was completely backwards.

[D]

It really was.

[C]

I just.

[B]

Yeah. Except for Tyler Algier.

[C]

I'm not sure I'm rushing to. To start to. On the Atlanta side, this was Bijan Robinson's worst game since the migraine.

[B]

The Tampa game.

[C]

I knew you were gonna say that, but you're wrong. I looked it up. I had to look. I didn't know he had a game that year as a rookie. Week 16, I think a playoff game where he scored something like two fantasy points against the Panthers. But I thought it was the migraine game too. I had forgotten about that one. All right, that's. That's it for that.

[B]

Someone can figure out this Falcons defense. Let me know. Let me know what I'm missing. Because one week they look outstanding, the next week they look terrible.

[C]

This is the first time they look terrible though.

[B]

No, no, they've been up and down.

[D]

There's game was the Panthers was the offensive.

[C]

Yeah, it was.

[B]

Right. The offense and that put the defensive episodes. And maybe that's what happened today too because Cousins was so off.

[D]

I would imagine they're going to look terrible next week too.

[C]

They are facing. Jamie loves to do that, where he says, like, I don't know, the matchups. I have to look it up at New England next week. All right.

[B]

Awesome.

[C]

Houston. Yeah. Drake. You know, I was thinking, I'll talk about it when we get to the New England game, which is coming up. Houston 26, San Francisco 15.

[D]

I think we got a three man MVP race right now.

[C]

Okay, so. Yes, I agree. It's Jalen Hurts, saquon Barkley and A.J. brown. I do think.

[D]

You can't keep kissing Philadelphia's ass. It's my opinion right now. It's Drake, May, Jonathan Taylor and Patch Moms Okay.

[A]

Yeah, I. I don't think Jonathan Taylor, I. It should be the Colts offensive line. They should be the mvp. I'm giving the Colts offensive line.

[B]

Did you see that run?

[C]

Yeah, it was awesome.

[B]

That 80 yard run was pretty incredible.

[C]

All right. Houston 26, San Francisco 15.

[A]

Believe it or not, we shouldn't have left Jaylen Noel off the early waiver wire segment.

[B]

He belongs on it, but I don't know if he's a priority again.

[C]

He played like 50, less than 50 of the snaps. I think Jalen Noel. So there is that and then there's.

[A]

Believe it or not. Woody Mark is the top 24 running back rest of season.

[D]

I wish the Texans believe that. Holy cow, Play the kid.

[B]

Seriously. This is another backfield where there's one player who's clearly better than the other. And the coaching staff's like, nope, we're gonna go with the slower guy. For reasons that no one knows except the coaching staff, maybe they just. They trust their experience a little bit more.

[C]

Well, but there was that report from.

[B]

Jeremy trying to get it in this case. I still don't get that argument.

[C]

In the Carolina case, there was a report from Jeremy Fowler a few weeks ago that the Texans coaching staff views considers his injury history. They don't want to overwork him, basically. So maybe that's it.

[D]

Oh, but Nick Chubb's injury history, let's overwork him.

[C]

Well, no, I don't think they're overworking either of them though, you know, But.

[B]

Well, they're using four running backs every week, so they're not overworking anybody.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

British Brooks is getting playing time.

[C]

Can you imagine if you had Christian McCaffrey and Bijan Robinson in a DFS lineup this week?

[D]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. You lost all your money.

[C]

Okay. New England 32, Cleveland 13. But I was gonna.

[D]

I lost the matchup where Samajp right Now scored Christian McGaffrey at the end of this.

[A]

Mike, I'll put.

[D]

Go ahead.

[A]

Mike is dismayed that I don't have my shirt yet, but I will get it next week and wear it on the show. Drake May is one of the top five or six quarterbacks in the NFL, believe it or not. Harold Fanon's a must start tight end, even with David and Joker there.

[B]

I don't believe it.

[D]

What's happening?

[C]

Sorry, I just. I don't believe that. I was laughing at it.

[D]

I think with Dylan Gabriel, both tight ends might be must start fantasy options.

[B]

I think with Dylan Gabriel, both are might maybe start tight end options and not necessarily. It's True. And it worked out its way in this game. Very much so. But I don't know if it means that either one is someone we can confidently start from week to week.

[A]

Believe it or not, you need to hold Harold Fanon through the buy.

[D]

Believe it.

[B]

Oh yeah, that's a little different.

[C]

If Quinton were out. How, how what excited would you be about Samson or Ford.

[D]

Flex options? At best.

[A]

They do have. Who do they have coming out of the buy?

[C]

Coming out of the buy? They have the Jets.

[B]

Yeah, the jets, the Ravens, the Raiders, the 49ers, the Titans. I'll just stop there because that's a lot of good matchups.

[C]

Okay. On the other side of the ball, Travion Henderson. Oh man, he had such a good game and then he fumbled.

[A]

Mike Rebel doesn't care about fumbles at.

[C]

The goal line and a lot. Yeah, Stevenson had 14 carries. Stevenson had a bad game which was a little predictable. Trayvon Henderson had a. Well ended up being a bad game for fantasy, but 10 carries for 75 yards. It's some big plays. We'll just continue to monitor that. And I was, you know, J Maz, a little disappointed. Only five targets for Stefan Diggs. Also I was a little disappointed that you acquired Stefan Diggs in the super Flex league for Kirk Cousins. If I had known, I would have offered my useless players for Stefan Diggs. But anyway, it is what it is. But yeah, no, I like, I want to, I want to just fully buy into Diggs and I'm glad he caught the touchdown but I don't know where you, where are you at on him.

[D]

I think he's a number three receiver rest of season. I said this a couple weeks ago. Like it feels as if this offense is going to just kind of find whatever works in that particular game and take advantage of it and there's not going to be an alpha, there's not going to be a go to guy consistently. So we may get a two or three week stretch like we've had with Diggs already this season. We had it with Hunter Henry earlier in the season. Keisha Booty's kind of been in that range because of the touchdowns the last three games. So it's, it's a credit to Drake May, it's a credit to this coaching staff how he's performing and how they're just finding ways to utilize mismatches and get these guys going on a week to week basis. So this was a tough matchup. I think you look at next week, it still could be a tough matchup for Atlanta, you know, if. If they play like they're capable of playing. But with the what, with what May did against Cleveland today, I think he said it best. Like, he's just. At this point, for me, I said it and forget it. Quarterback.

[C]

All right, that's next up, man. And what I was going to say was that May was struggling a little bit in this game as he kept getting sacked. And I thought, you know, look, he's had a pretty easy schedule. And the one difficult matchup Drake May had, he had a bad game, and it was Buffalo. I was like, maybe. Maybe, you know, we're missing something here. But, no, he's incredible.

[D]

But he, you know, in the. In the Buffalo game, he played really well. He just didn't get fantasy. That's true.

[C]

All right, jets 39, Bengals 38. What'd you say?

[D]

Tight end date continues.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Tucker Craft in the end zone. Okay.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Jets with this big comeback win. And Heath, what do we got?

[A]

Believe it or not, Jamar Chase should be the number one pick. If you were redrafting for rest of season. Believe it once again.

[B]

I don't believe it. Not even in full ppr, the way that Jonathan Taylor's been running.

[C]

I think I'm going up there. Going Bijan.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Over Taylor and Chase.

[C]

Yeah. I think the thing with Chase is, like, he just doesn't get enough targets, 20 a game. It's just not. I think I'm going Bijan just over Taylor because he'll have a lot more catches. And then over Chase.

[D]

What?

[C]

I don't know.

[D]

What?

[B]

Oh, I don't. I don't know what he will.

[C]

No, no, no. Over.

[B]

If we're drafting for the rest of the season.

[D]

Right.

[B]

Week one for this fantasy league is next week.

[D]

Right?

[B]

You have the number one pick. You're taking Bijan over Taylor and Chase. I love Bijana. I don't think I'm doing that.

[C]

I think so. Yeah. I think. I think he's more reliable in the passing game. And he's coming off a bad game. Obviously.

[B]

His worst guy that scores three touchdowns every year.

[C]

I know, but he's not. He's on a 30 touchdown pace. I just. I can't see this continuing. It's kind of insane. The. This is the best case. This is priest, homes. We have not had something like this. You know, I just.

[D]

I just. Just don't get 2, 000 yards. Taylor, please.

[B]

Or 400 carries.

[C]

Well, what do you mean?

[A]

He won't play week 18, so it'll be okay. They're gonna have the 11 seed wrapped up.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

What do you make of T. Higgins? One long catch. What did he have? Two targets in this game? One catch, 44 yards right. Touchdown on two targets.

[B]

I think it stinks. I expected more. Feel lucky that he had the one catch.

[D]

You know you have a game winning drive potential. Game winning drive. Gotta throw two passes. Yoshibas.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Tampa Bay 20 and New Orleans three.

[A]

Oh, the Saints are such a mess.

[D]

Believe it's still good.

[A]

That was excellent.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Believe it or not, you don't need to hold Tez Johnson through the way.

[B]

Oh, sure, you could drop him.

[A]

Would you drop him for dk?

[B]

If I was desperate for a receiver, sure, dude.

[D]

He just.

[B]

And DK was the best receiver on the waiver wise.

[C]

He just led them in receiving. Tess Johnson.

[B]

I know.

[C]

With 43 yards, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it stunk. But he was very good the two games before. I don't necessarily want to cut Tez Johnson. I think he can be very good. This is a floor game for him. If I, if. If he's my worst player on my bench and I need somebody on a week where four teams are on by and one out of every three wide receivers is hurt, then I gotta do what I gotta do.

[D]

If you see Tez Johnson and Chris Godwin on waivers going into the box.

[B]

Taz.

[D]

Yeah, I'll take Alwin.

[A]

I think I take Godwin too.

[C]

Anything else from this game? What do you guys think about Camara? Horrible game for him, but, you know, he's usually better than this. But in a game where they. How many passes did they throw in this game? They threw 51 passes.

[B]

51.

[C]

And I think he had two targets. He had only two catches. Yeah, he had two targets.

[A]

Half the snapshot.

[C]

Maybe they benched him at the end.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know.

[D]

He got banged up in the game, so that was part of it. I saw one of the New Orleans beat writers suggest that they were playing Devin Nealon passing downs because they like him in pass protection. Not that they don't like Kamaran pass protection, but I think trying to see what they have there. They're entering now, looking ahead clearly, right. If they're going to start shock. So, I mean, you gotta hope and pray at this point with Camara that he's going to somehow find the end zone and maybe get more involved in the passing game. Like I think flex at best. If, if somebody's willing to trade for him, you do so in a second.

[A]

Woody Marks or Alvin Camara, rest of season.

[D]

Woody Marks.

[B]

Yeah. I think you've got to make it. Woody marks, he has 12.4 PPR points in his last two games combined. And overall for this game, he played 52 of the snaps. But it's a little tilted because Neil dominated fourth quarter snaps.

[A]

Who has more fantasy points per game, Alvin Camara or Tony.

[B]

Swift?

[C]

Camara. Camara versus.

[B]

I know the answer.

[C]

Camara.

[D]

I'll say Camaro.

[A]

It's Camara by less than a tenth of a point.

[D]

Jonah, in the chat, asked if New Orleans would trade Camara.

[B]

They.

[D]

They think. I'm sure they would like to, but they're not going to. Okay.

[C]

And someone said, when should we pick up McMillan? They're talking about Jalen McMillan. And that's another guy that complicates things a little bit because he could be back fairly soon.

[B]

Okay, Camara spot. You should do it last week, you could do it three weeks ago, but you can still do it this week if he's on your waiver wire.

[C]

All right.

[D]

Where does Shahid go if he gets traded?

[B]

I couldn't hear you, Jamie. Can you say that again, please?

[D]

Where does Shahid go that his value gets better? Like if he goes to Pittsburgh?

[B]

Almost anywhere.

[C]

Man. Pittsburgh, I don't know.

[B]

Pittsburgh, Buffalo, maybe even the Giants. I think it could be almost anywhere.

[D]

It'd be very surprising if the Giants are trading a draft pick for a receiver at this point.

[B]

Yeah, it's true. Unless they think that he's like, right, peace for the future, right?

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

I don't think that's what you. I don't think that's what you view Shahid to be.

[C]

All right, last game. By the way, are you guys using a computer right now? Because you should know, if you are, that Philadelphia had the first electronic computer in 1946. So we think.

[B]

What's your favorite type of cream cheese?

[C]

The one I get at the Bagel Emporium. Denver 44, Dallas 24. What do we got?

[B]

Heath in New York State.

[A]

Despite the fact that he scored 75 fantasy points in his last two games and was a great start of the week, you should sit Bo Nix against the Texans next week.

[D]

Believe it.

[B]

I believe it, too.

[C]

Okay. Should you just sell high on Bonix or. Or, you know, take a one week long.

[A]

He plays the Raiders the week after that.

[D]

So again, I'll just keep updating stat. Now, 12 home games. In his. His last 12 home games going back to last year, he was averaging over 28 points per game. Going into this, he scored 31. So I don't know the math on that, but that's better. I'm gonna play him every time he's at home. He's the new Jared Goff.

[B]

Las Vegas Kansas City is at home when the Chiefs are coming off of a buy that's in week 11 and then Green Bay in week 15. Jacksonville at home in week 16, Chargers at home. Week 18 when no one's playing fantasy football. These are some good matchups. I I like the way he's playing. Still making some mistakes but I think the home road stuff is legit. I usually don't think that with this kind of stuff but I think it is true with him and he's beat up on some bad non conference defenses over the last two well over the last five quarters.

[C]

What is your if you can sell.

[B]

High up on extra what is your.

[C]

Message to the Jake Ferguson Manager 1 Target today?

[A]

I think we gave that message on Wednesday or Tuesday. Yeah, it was Wednesday.

[B]

Sal hi.

[C]

I must have been wrong saying that.

[B]

For a couple weeks.

[C]

I said he had he had an almost touchdown but was it some was it a different tight end?

[B]

It was. It was. It was schoon maker.

[C]

Oh, okay. I'm sorry about that. So he didn't even have a catch. Man. He went no catches on one target for Jake Ferguson. I thought he had one catch.

[B]

He had only I'm gonna start him again next week against Arizona.

[C]

Yeah, Pickens, you know he's got the.

[B]

Raiders after the their buy.

[C]

The the original plan was for Pickens to be covered by certain mostly and that's kind of what happened in the first half. Sir Tan left at halftime and they were kind of double teaming CD Lamb. But Pickens ends up with a good game. Seven catches for 78 yards on nine targets. All right, I said that was our last game, but I lied. I forgot about the game of the week. Indianapolis 38, Tennessee 14.

[A]

Believe it or not, Taije Spears will be better than Tony Pollard rest of the season.

[D]

Believe it.

[B]

You know who needs to get traded is Tony Pollard.

[C]

Spears had nine carries, including a late touchdown. He had three carries and two catches on Tennessee's last possession of the game. So up until that point it was 11 carries for Pollard and six for Tajie Spears. So I'm not quite sure I believe this. I don't believe it as easily.

[B]

I don't know if there's ever going to be a game script left where we're going to be encouraged to start Tony Pollard under any circumstances. He's been splitting 50, 50 or worse with Spears the last two games that continued again this week.

[C]

That's different than what?

[B]

He's got a tradable contract. He could absolutely be on the move if somebody called Tennessee.

[C]

Okay, that's for the record. Not what I said. I didn't say that we're going to feel comfortable starting Pollard. I'm just not so sure that Spears is going to be better than Pollard. I think we're going to go into every week not wanting to start either of them. Right.

[B]

Correct. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[C]

That's probably the main takeaway here, but, yeah. No, I mean, look, they play from behind all the time. And also this. For whatever reason, Pollard just hasn't been that good this year. This is another one of those backfields where it's like one guy's making plays and the other isn't. I wonder if they start seeing it that way with Spears. He's. I don't know. I'm not sure they're ever gonna let him. I don't know that they're ever gonna let him have a big workload, though. That's the thing. It's kind of undersized.

[B]

It's true. You know, he's been better than Pollard two out of the last three weeks in ppr. And the only reason why Pollard was better than him in Week 7 was because Pollard had six catches, which is not typically what Pollard does.

[D]

Right.

[C]

Well, I think that's going to do it for this game and this episode of Fantasy Football today.

[A]

Go Eagles.

[C]

I was going to say no, no, but it's funny that America's first zoo was actually in Philadelphia. So thank you for that. And First Hospital. Just unbelievable contributions.

[D]

Remember when we did last time you.

[C]

Were in Philly last year or maybe two years ago for Miami versus Temple at the Link, which I would have to say is one of the top one stadiums I've ever been to.

[D]

You know what you should do? You should go to Philly. You should go, like, right by the Liberty Bell. You should make a sign that says, I love all things Philadelphia.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And just walk around carrying the sign for, like, I'll do five hours.

[C]

We had. Didn't we have a blast in Philadelphia? We did our live show there.

[B]

Yep, I remember it.

[D]

Yeah, I believe you're booed.

[B]

We did it at a beer hall. It was a ton of fun.

[C]

It was awesome. I'd love to do that again, but only in Philadelphia. All right, thanks, everybody, for watching and listening. Have a wonderful day and wonderful evening, whatever, and we'll talk to you on beyond the Box Score. Hey, no, Jacob. On beyond the box score. If any of you want to volunteer to fill in, let me know. Have a great day, everybody. Talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football.

[D]

Paramount Podcasts.

[B]

Nationwide is so much more than a great insurance company.

[A]

They're one of America's largest financial services companies.

[B]

Like how I'm more than just Peyton Manning. I'm also motivating Manning. When I say insurance, you say financial services.

[C]

Insurance. Financial services.

[B]

Insurance. Financial services. Now, when I say nationwide, you say is both. Nationwide is both.

[C]

Nationwide is both.

[B]

For your insurance and financial needs, Nationwide.

[A]

Is on your side.

[C]

Nationwide Investment Services Corporation, Ember Finra, Columbus, Ohio.