Wide Receivers Preview Part Two: Complete ADP Review, Best and Worst Values (08/08 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Summary

Fantasy Football Today: Wide Receivers Preview Part Two – Comprehensive ADP Review, Best and Worst Values

Podcast Information:

• Title: Fantasy Football Today
• Host/Author: CBS Sports (Host: Adam Azer; Analysts: Dave Richard, Jamie Eisenberg, Heath Cummings)
• Episode: Wide Receivers Preview Part Two: Complete ADP Review, Best and Worst Values
• Release Date: August 8, 2025

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1. Introduction and Overview (02:12 – 02:42)

Host Adam Azer kicks off the episode by outlining the focus on wide receiver (WR) values based on Average Draft Position (ADP). The hosts aim to identify the best and worst WRs to target or avoid in fantasy drafts.

Adam Azer [02:12]: "Wide receiver values. We are going through ADP from basically start to finish. Who are the best values? Who are the worst values at the wide receiver position? We'll tell you right on Fantasy Football Today."

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2. Round 2 Wide Receiver Analysis (02:42 – 08:16)

The discussion begins with Round 2 WR picks, highlighting A.J. Brown and Drake London as top-tier options.

• Jamie Eisenberg categorizes A.J. Brown and London into distinct tiers, emphasizing Brown's elite status.

  Jamie Eisenberg [05:35]: "Cram Brown into the top tier. I would put London with Higgins, Brian Thomas Jr., and you know what? That's it. That's the second tier."

• Heath Cummings concurs, placing London alongside Brown and distinguishing Tyreek Hill and T. Higgins into separate tiers.

  Heath Cummings [06:56]: "I think London belongs in the same tier with A.J. Brown... Tyreek and Higgins are in a tier by themselves."

• Dave Richard raises concerns about T. Higgins, questioning his consistency and touchdown dependency.

  Dave Richard [07:25]: "T. Higgins can be just as productive in full PPR as those guys."

• Jamie Eisenberg expresses hesitation about drafting Tyreek Hill early due to his injury history and fluctuating performance.

  Jamie Eisenberg [08:16]: "I don't like that he's sitting out in Chicago... I would be a little hesitant with Tyreek Hill."

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3. Round 3 Wide Receiver Analysis (08:16 – 16:27)

Focus shifts to Round 3, discussing Jerry Jeudy (JSN), Lad McConkey, Garrett Wilson, and Devonte Adams.

• Dave Richard prioritizes A.J. Brown and Drake London, while expressing reservations about McConkey due to increased competition for targets.

  Dave Richard [10:24]: "So back into round two, Dave, then Heath. When would you take Tyreek Hill?"

• Heath Cummings highlights JSN and McConkey as solid Round 3 picks but remains cautious.

  Heath Cummings [16:27]: "McConkey and JSN are the two wide receivers that I feel comfortable..."

• The hosts collectively evaluate Devonte Adams and Garrett Wilson, discussing their potential upside and risks.

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4. Round 4 Wide Receiver Analysis (16:27 – 30:22)

Discussion centers on Terry McLaurin, Mike Evans, and Marvin Harrison Jr.

• Heath Cummings favors Marvin Harrison Jr. over McLaurin and Evans, citing concerns about McLaurin's holdout and Evans' health.

  Heath Cummings [30:50]: "Of those guys right now, I prefer Harrison."

• Jamie Eisenberg remains cautious about Mike Evans, analyzing his past performance and injury risks.

  Jamie Eisenberg [30:45]: "I've got him too low and I have him at 43rd overall."

• Dave Richard acknowledges McLaurin's potential but is wary of the Commanders' offensive consistency.

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5. Rounds 5-6 Wide Receiver Analysis (30:22 – 40:46)

The conversation moves to mid-round WRs like DJ Moore, Rasheed Rice, DK Metcalf, Cortland Sutton, Devonte Smith, and Xavier Worthy.

• Dave Richard praises Cortland Sutton and Xavier Worthy for their upside, while expressing uncertainty about DK Metcalf due to team changes.

  Dave Richard [39:46]: "I absolutely love those guys. Getting them in round five... Sutton's probably the most underrated of the group."

• Heath Cummings rates Sutton highly and is optimistic about Metcalf's potential if his quarterback situation stabilizes.

  Heath Cummings [43:44]: "I think he's [Sutton] the most underrated of the group and should be expected to see 130ish targets."

• Jamie Eisenberg emphasizes the importance of target volume and efficiency, particularly for Devonte Smith and Zay Flowers.

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6. Rounds 7-9 Wide Receiver Analysis (40:46 – 63:08)

Analysis of late-round WRs such as Jalen Waddle, Jerry Jeudy, Chris Godwin, and Jordan Addison.

• Heath Cummings is enthusiastic about drafting Jerry Jeudy and Jalen Waddle, recognizing their high upside despite potential risks.

  Heath Cummings [54:37]: "I think the one thing just to keep in mind is that those first six games... they're going to be on the field a lot."

• Jamie Eisenberg advocates for Jalen Waddle due to his consistent performance and role in the offense.

  Jamie Eisenberg [59:02]: "Jerry, it's HN and Hill. They both have to be on the field."

• Dave Richard discusses the volatility of Chris Godwin and the potential of Jordan Addison as a sleeper pick.

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7. Rounds 10-12 Wide Receiver Analysis (63:08 – 80:30)

Focus on late-round and bench WRs like Jaden Reed, Christian Kirk, Josh Downs, Keon Coleman, and Darnell Mooney.

• Heath Cummings highlights Keon Coleman and Darnell Mooney as high-upside picks despite their current injuries and role uncertainties.

  Heath Cummings [75:43]: "He's got a long way to go to be a fantasy starter, but if you're talking about a fifth receiver... he can certainly be a Jameson Williams type of guy."

• Jamie Eisenberg expresses interest in Josh Downs for bench depth, acknowledging Christian Kirk's potential as a slot receiver.

  Jamie Eisenberg [73:49]: "I like Downs much more than Pittman."

• Dave Richard remains cautious but open to late-round WRs who can break out based on opportunity and role changes.

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8. Conclusion and Final Thoughts (80:30 – End)

The hosts wrap up the WR analysis, emphasizing the depth of the position and encouraging listeners to leverage the insights for successful drafts. They tease upcoming episodes focusing on sleepers, breakouts, busts, and listener mailbags.

Adam Azer [80:33]: "Thanks so much for watching and listening, everybody. We've got sleepers, breakouts and busts next week."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Adam Azer [02:12]: "Wide receiver values. We are going through ADP from basically start to finish. Who are the best values? Who are the worst values at the wide receiver position? We'll tell you right on Fantasy Football Today."

• Jamie Eisenberg [05:35]: "Cram Brown into the top tier. I would put London with Higgins, Brian Thomas Jr. And you know what? That's it. That's the second tier."

• Heath Cummings [06:56]: "I think London belongs in the same tier with A.J. Brown... Tyreek and Higgins are in a tier by themselves."

• Dave Richard [07:25]: "It's clear that T. Higgins can be just as productive in full PPR as those guys."

• Jamie Eisenberg [08:16]: "I would be a little hesitant with Tyreek Hill."

• Heath Cummings [16:27]: "McConkey and JSN are the two wide receivers that I feel comfortable, man."

• Dave Richard [30:50]: "McLaurin is the only one of the three we're talking about."

• Jamie Eisenberg [36:10]: "But I know Tyreek Hill just has upside that no one at the 23 turner later has."

• Heath Cummings [43:44]: "Cortland Sutton probably the most underrated of the group and should be expected to see 130ish targets."

• Jamie Eisenberg [59:02]: "Jerry, it's HN and Hill. They both have to be on the field."

• Heath Cummings [75:43]: "He's got a long way to go to be a fantasy starter, but he can certainly be a Jameson Williams type of guy."

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Key Insights and Conclusions

• Tier-Based Drafting: The hosts emphasize categorizing WRs into tiers to optimize draft strategies, ensuring balanced team composition.

• Injury and Role Concerns: Significant attention is given to players' health and their roles within their respective offenses, impacting their fantasy potential.

• Upside vs. Floor: Balancing high-upside picks with reliable performers is crucial, especially in mid to late rounds.

• Positional Depth: The depth at the WR position offers numerous opportunities for drafting sleepers and breakout candidates in the later rounds.

• Strategic Flexibility: Adapting to league formats (e.g., two-receiver vs. three-receiver leagues) and understanding how different WRs fit into team strategies are vital for dominance.

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Note: This summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights from the episode, providing actionable advice for fantasy football enthusiasts aiming to optimize their wide receiver selections.

Transcript

[Adam Azer]

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[Jamie Eisenberg]

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[Adam Azer]

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[Heath Cummings]

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[Adam Azer]

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[Jamie Eisenberg]

It's time to dominate your fantasy league.

[Adam Azer]

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[Jamie Eisenberg]

This is gonna go the distance.

[Dave Richard]

Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

[Adam Azer]

Oh, welcome to the show, everybody. Wide receiver values. We are going through ADP from basically start to finish. Who are the best values? Who are the worst values at the wide receiver position? We'll tell you right on Fantasy Football today, presented by BetMGM, the sportsbook. Born in Vegas, I'm Adam Azer. Happy Friday, everybody. Jamie's here. He's here. And guess who's back. Dave Richards, back now. Hello, Dave. What's up.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

That, that was cringy. How are you guys? Everybody good? Everybody ready for drafts this weekend?

[Heath Cummings]

No.

[Adam Azer]

Who's drafting this weekend?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Losers. What do you want to know about the Patriots, Commanders, Titans and Bucks?

[Adam Azer]

Whatever is relevant during this wide receiver preview. So yesterday we talked overall strategy. We talked about the differences between two receiver leagues and three receiver leagues. Pretty big difference because we basically said to sum it up, you know, we, we like a lot of the receivers in the 30 to 40 range. Even you don't want them to be the anchors of your team. But you could in theory draft a her throw wide receiver strategy and you know, take guys like Calvin Ridley and you know, sorry, who are some of the names we mentioned? Calvin Ridley.

[Heath Cummings]

If you. So if you took a receiver in the first two rounds, which would be probably toward the back end of the first round, if you're going that way. So you make sure you guarantee yourself somebody through, probably Drake London. But if you did get T. Higgins or Tyree Killer, one of those guys, as your first receiver, in any event, you're looking at as your second guys if you do this, if you go this route, maybe those round five, six guys of Teddy Roll, McMillan and Jerry Judy and George Pickens, those type of guys. Jameson Williams. But I think where you were going was more like Calvin Ridley, Jacoby Myers, Ricky Pearsall, Chris Olave, those type of guys. Matthew golden, maybe now, you know, some of those, some of those, you know, high end number three receivers comparatively to the low end number two. But the, the Blob, the guys are in the Bob.

[Adam Azer]

So anyway, we said you could pull that off. But easier to do in a two receiver league than a three receiver league. Sorry, I blanked on some of those names. I need the rankings in front of me. So what we'll do today is just go through adp. We also gave sleepers, breakouts and bust yesterday and we ended the show with round one. We ended the show with basically the top eight receivers. So we went into round two with Brian Thomas Jr. And Nico Collins. We're going to start today with round two and basically go through the end of the draft. So we're using fantasy pros, full ppr, overall adp. So let's go, let's start with the round two guys and we've got Nico Collins and Brian Thomas in round two and we think they're very good picks early in round two. If anybody wants to jump in and disagree with me, go for it. But it gets more interesting after that as we go to 18th overall and AJ Brown Drake, London, and that's pretty much it. There are no other wide receivers going in round two. You have in round three, McConkey, Tyree, Kill, T. Higgins. So if we look at those five wide receivers, Dave, A.J. brown, Drake, London, and then McConkey, Tyree, Kill, T. Higgins. Are those two different tiers, Brown and London? And then the next three, I would.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Cram Brown into the top tier. I would put London with Higgins, Brian Thomas Jr. And you know what? That's it. That's the second tier. It's small, it's three names. I'm putting Tyreek Hill in the tier after that. And that's also just three names. It's Tyreek, it's McConkey. And I. I have her, she, rice in this tier, but I'm not drafting them here. I just think the Rasheed Rice, if he's. Once he's back and he's healthy, we're assuming there's a suspension that's baked into the adp. I think he can be just as productive in full PPR as those guys.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, anybody else want to weigh in on A.J. brown, Drake, London, Tyree, Kill, T. Higgins, Lad, McConkey.

[Dave Richard]

So I obviously agree with Dave because I have A.J. brown higher than a lot of the guys you've already talked about. Yeah, I would. I would put London, Higgins and Tyreek. I don't have Lad in that tier anymore. He fell down into the next group with the signing of Keenan Allen. Now the loss of Slater. McConkey goes the round three tier and really mid to late round three tier. Not early round three for me anymore.

[Heath Cummings]

I agree with Heath on the makaki tier. And you know where I come out of London. I think London belongs in the same tier with AJ Brown.

[Adam Azer]

London. But do you think AJ Brown belongs in the same tier as those topics?

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah. Like I said yesterday, I think there's 10 elite receivers with London being the 10th. So I would say London, A.J. brown are in, you know, wherever you want to separate those guys. I don't think we need to go into those semantics. But I would say Tyreek and Higgins are in a tier by themselves, kind of what Heath was getting to. And then it's that next group, which we'll talk about, where McConkey's now slid into, where I have him behind Devonte Adams, JSN and Garrett Wilson.

[Dave Richard]

And I. I think it's worth mentioning that T was better than a lot of the guys were putting in the elite, or at least a few of the guys that were putting in the elite tier. This year. T was better than them on a per game basis last year and he has missed. I, I took a look yesterday at kind of my top 12 wide receivers and just thinking about the Nico Collins situation and how much time he's missed, there are two wide receivers in my top 12 that have played less than 80% of their team's games over the last three years. Oddly, I was surprised to see T's played more than Nico has, but T's at 78, Nico's at 72. And so I think, like, obviously that injury risk gets factored into teased adp. If we weren't worried about that after what we just saw last year, I think he might be up even higher.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Is it just that or could it also be that we're not believers that T. Higgins can be as good as he was last year? Because, I mean, almost 30% of his production came from touchdowns. It was a huge number. We know what he's capable of doing. We know what this offense is capable of doing. It's just a matter of, well, can he be over 18 PPR points per game again or is he going to fall into like that 17, 16 and a half point range, no less?

[Adam Azer]

I mean, I think, well, yeah, I.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Mean, that's where he's been. I think he's going to be somewhere in between where he's been and what he was last year in a contract year.

[Adam Azer]

You know, I give those stats about Joe Burrow, what he's been on pace for in three of the last four seasons when he, T, Higgins and Jamar Chase have all been healthy. And if you've missed them and you're just, this must be your first episode, then Joe Burrow has been on pace for 4,950 or more yards in, in 2021, 2022 and 2024 with a healthy Higgins and Chase and at least 35 touchdown pace. In fact, more than 40 touchdowns in two of those three seasons. 2023 was just a horrible season for the Bengals offense. Like bunch of injuries and just doesn't fit. But Higgins, what has he been on pace for in those 2021, 2022, 2024 seasons when everyone's been healthy? 15.6 PPR fantasy points, 16 PPR fantasy points, and last year it was 18.6 PPR fantasy points. So the first two of those of those samples, he was wide receiver. You know, look at those points per game. That's wide receiver 13 per game. And that kind of feels like the floor for Higgins. Wide receiver 13. I think that makes Him a great pick in round three, which is where he's going. But obviously if I don't know if the ceiling is really wide receiver, five per game. That's what he was last year, but it happened so he could outperform the adp. But yeah, I think he's, I don't think he's going to be any lower than 15. I mean be surprising shouldn't be. Okay. And then there's Tyree Kill, which is just, he's just wild. So how we feeling about Tyree Kill, Jamie? You're comfortable taking him in the second round and, and are you also comfortable taking Higgins in the second round?

[Heath Cummings]

Yes, for both those guys and I think, you know, format matters to receiver league versus three receiver league and what you do in round one, clearly if you take a running back, it's easy to take those guys in round two. If you don't want to take running back, running back. But yes, I think Tyreek's upside. You know, how much of last year was six games without to a tongue of aloa the wrist injury, the change in somewhat philosophy. If that carries over to this year, we'll find out. But John New Smith's emergence. So there's a lot to like about Tyreek's situation. I, you know, don't like the fact that he's banged up right now so he's not taking part in joint practices with Chicago. We'll see how much of that is just maintenance or actually a legit injury to worry about because it didn't pop up until they went to Chicago that he's, you know, dealing with something. So I'm not worried about some of the stupid stuff that's been said. You know, the, the Devon Hn comments that I, I think the Dolphins purposely try to troll the media which I think hurts their football product more so than them having fun with it. But as long as he is his head is focused and I think the fact that he has talked about the comments at the end of last season and then what Tua said at the start of training camp, the fact that he came in in better shape, I think he realizes like this is his last hurrah if he's going to have a shot to, you know, do something special personally and maybe for the team. So I'll buy into what he still can be. I'm not expecting 20 plus points per game, otherwise he'd be around one pick. But I think he can be in that 17 to 18 point per game range, which is why I'll take him.

[Adam Azer]

Back into round two, Dave, then Heath. When would you take Tyreek Hill?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Pretty close to where Jamie's taking him. I think I have him 25th now. I moved the tight ends ahead of him because I think. I think you described him the perfect way, Adam. He's a total wild card. We know what the upside is. We know what the downside is. Here's a question. Is the downside what he did in 10 games with Tua starting and finishing? So that's week one, weeks eight through 16. This is last year. It was almost 16 PPR points per game. 15.8 is the actual number. I want to draft him. Like, that's what I'm gonna get. And if someone else in my league is more excited about him, then by all means, go and get him. I don't like that he's sitting out in Chicago. I don't like that Tua keeps talking about the. The hubbub at the end of last season. I don't like that. I went to practice and I saw Jalen Waddle get way more targets than Tyreek Hill. And I've heard from other people who have gone to Dolphins practice and they've said the exact same thing. And I know, yeah, he's. He's fast. He's certainly. That's not an issue in my mind. But if he's banged up and we know that he was banged up last year and I. We don't know for sure what this Dolphins offense is really going to look like. I would be a little hesitant with Tyreek Hill. The problem is that how many other receivers are out there that you can look at and say, oh, yeah, slam dunk. They're going to be over 16 PPR points per game. I'm sure you guys talked about this yesterday, but there is just this huge cliff between like the top 10, 11 guys and everybody else in fantasy. And so that. That also makes me nervous. But I know that Tyree Kill just has upside that no one at the 23 turner later has.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, yeah, I would take T before Tyreek, and I've got Tyreek 25 also. I don't think the floor is the 15.8 fantasy points per game we saw last year. Because of all the other stuff. It just feels like he has the risk of implosion more than the other wide receivers that are being drafted ahead of him.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Totally fair. Heath, his number last year, including every game, was 12.8 in PPR. Is that the floor?

[Dave Richard]

I don't think it's a point per game floor when you're Talking about Tyreek, I think it's a risk of catastrophe either because he's 31 years old or because he been banged up the last two years or because something off the field causes catastrophe.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, so that's the surefire round two guys, A.J. brown and Drake London. The next two were comfortable taking T. Higgins in round two. Tyreek Hill. You heard Jamie's definitely okay with it. Dave has him 25th. Heath a little hesitant, but Heath has him as wide receiver 12. So you could see those guys going round two. You could have seen lad McConkey go on round two. According to what we, you know, just heard from Jamie and Heath. I don't, I don't know if Dave gave an opinion on that. They're not going to do that at this point with Rashawn Slater out for the season, the left tackle. I gave some stats on the Chargers offense on the Mailbag show, which we recorded last night and we'll publish on Saturday and audio about 2022, I believe, when Rashawn Slater played only three games and last year when he missed three games and it seemed to have a bigger effect on the run game than the pass game. But anyway, we'll talk about that in a minute. If you haven't signed up for BetMGM yet, please use the bonus code Fantasy. And you're going to get up to a fifteen hundred dollar first bet offer on your first wager with BetMGM. And here's how it works. Download the BetMGM app, sign up, use the bonus code Fantasy, deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game. And you're going to receive up to fifteen hundred dollars in bonus bets if your bet loses, just make sure that you use the bonus code Fantasy when you sign up. All right, so on to round three. So we'll start with McConkey. And so now he's, you know, in a different tier because of the recent developments. Keenan Allen signing. Although, I mean, I guess my first question is really, which I'm not saying I disagree, but it has to be asked like Keenan Allen's 33 coming off his worst season. So just address it again. I think we did a few days ago. Address it again. You got McConkey. We're going to ignore Tyreek Hill and T. Higgins because we consider them ahead of this group. We're going to say jsn and I guess I'll throw Garrett Wilson in there. Devonte Adams goes into round four. But if we look at McConkey, JSN and Garrett Wilson, heath your thoughts? Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

McConkey and JSN are the two wide receivers that I feel comfortable, man. Tyreek that I feel comfortable drafting in round three. I think I may have McLaren at 36 or 37 and Adams right there and Sutton right there like. But I don't, I only have really those two guys as surefire round three picks. I talked about it yesterday. Garrett Wilson I think has the talent to be drafted there. And if you want to just bet, bet on the, the upside and the potential. We've just, we've done that a couple of times and it worked out for about half a year last year. I just worry that the past volume is so low for the jets that even If Wilson gets 30 of the targets, it's not enough to, to justify this. Especially because the past touchdowns will probably be really low too.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Do you know what the over under is for Garrett Wilson? Touchdowns this year?

[Dave Richard]

I'd guess six and a half.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Four and a half.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah. And I think it's, you know, it's worth noting that I've given this stat too. Over the last 12 seasons, six wide receivers have finished top 12 in PPR and half BPR and they've been on bottom five pass attempt offenses. And you've got, I don't know, maybe three possibilities here with Lad, McConkey, Jackson, Smith and Jigba that would surprise me. I don't think they'll be bottom five. And Garrett Wilson. So it's possible.

[Heath Cummings]

Did you, have you extended that to top 15 or top 20?

[Adam Azer]

Top 15. You don't even have to worry about that. Like, yeah, they absolutely could be top 16. I have. There's. Over the last 12 seasons there have been 16 wide receivers who finished top 16 on an offense that's been bottom five in past attempts. Top 20. You don't even have to worry about that. But if you want to be top 12, it's going to be tough.

[Dave Richard]

Okay.

[Adam Azer]

But. But that's not to say that the Chargers, jets and Seahawks are definitely going to be bottom five in pass attempts. Just, it's.

[Heath Cummings]

I, I think the jets is the easy one to say. Yes. Like if you're betting on any of those teams being there, that'd be the easy one to put your money on.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, all three of those coaches would love it if those teams were like bottom five in pass rate.

[Adam Azer]

One of the receivers.

[Dave Richard]

We've already talked about one wide receiver ahead of these guys that's probably going to be bottom five and pass rate. And A.J. brown and Lamar.

[Adam Azer]

No, but pass attempts, because The Eagles were 21st, 23rd and 32nd in three seasons with A.J. brown. Go ahead, Ethan.

[Dave Richard]

And then Lamar. The Ravens are definitely going to be one of the. One of the bottom five. So these, not all these guys probably won't be. I think the one that worries me the Most because Vlad McConkey might be in a bottom five pass attempt offense, but he also has the most accurate passer of the group.

[Adam Azer]

So the one that worries you the most is Wilson.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, right.

[Adam Azer]

Okay. And then do you guys take devonte Adams ahead of all of these guys?

[Heath Cummings]

Yes.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I've got JSN and McConkey over Devonte.

[Dave Richard]

I do not have any Devonte. I had Devonte ahead of Wilson, but not the other two.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, so if we were looking at consensus, then McConkey and JSN, McConkey, Adams, JSN Wilson is how it is in consensus. But you have to look at each, each individual guy here, Dave, Jamie, Heath and their rankings and see how they have it. But we can call this a four person tier. Adams, JSN Wilson, McConkey.

[Heath Cummings]

It is for me. Yes.

[Adam Azer]

Ideally, this is our wide receiver too. We'd love to get a stud wide receiver before this.

[Heath Cummings]

And I will say just about McConkey, like it's clearly a wild card at this point about who's going to be the slot receiver for the Chargers or the, the dominant slot receiver for the Chargers. Clearly that was McConkey last year. It's obviously been something Allen's done with this quarterback, not necessarily with this coaching staff. And so last year he played a good amount of time in the slot, as you would expect for the Bears, but he has shown the ability to play outside. And what you've heard so far, at least from the general manager for the Chargers is they're going to mix and match both these guys, but cocky can still win on the outside. That's not to say that this is a, a crushing situation for his fancy value. I think if that was the case, we probably all would downgrade him completely. But I think when you start to factor in maybe just a better receiving core as a whole because of what Trey Harris can do and what maybe the, the combination of Quentin Johnston, who finished last year, I think stronger than people realize. And you know, just to put some context to it, like we sit here and say to some degree, well, Marvin Harrison scored eight touchdowns last year, so did Quinn Johnson. You know, that kind of gets overlooked a little bit that he was, you know, did a good job finding the end zone. And, and now the addition of Keenan Allen. And I think to your point, Adam, you know I, I know the way you framed it, but yes, he's a 33 year old receiver and yes, he's coming off matching his worst year of his career points per game wise. The fact that he went back to this team and this quarterback. Yeah. Makes it a little troubling for everybody else there. So again, however you want to view McConkey, I, I don't have a problem. You still value him as a round two pick and, and think he's still going to be great and I hope that's the case because again, he still may be their, their predominant slot receiver but now there's more competition for targets than there was last year. And you're to me, I think comparing him to guys that have similar ranges of outcomes with JSN and, and Adams and, and Garrett Wilson.

[Adam Azer]

For what it's worth, lad McConkey when he was lined up out wide had even better yard per out run numbers than when he was in the slot. He was top seven actually when he was specifically out wide he had the fourth highest yards per route run in the NFL. Yeah, he was.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

The playoffs or just the regular season?

[Adam Azer]

No, just the regular season. It was Puka.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

That makes it even more impressive.

[Adam Azer]

Puka, AJ Brown, Nico Collins, Lad McConkey outlined up out wide yards per outrun leaders. Amazing.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

How far did you guys move him down?

[Heath Cummings]

I moved him down from wide receiver 13 to wide receiver 16.

[Dave Richard]

He was already wide receiver 13 for me. I moved him down from the two three turn to middle late round three.

[Heath Cummings]

Okay.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I moved him down one whole spot.

[Adam Azer]

If he's really going to go late round three then you know that. Then it becomes. Do you take, do you take these. This group that we talked about over guys like Ken Walker and Alvin Camara, Omari and Hampton. The running backs were going to be in this range. The quarterbacks, you know, probably not Allen or Jackson, but maybe Daniels, Hertz Burrow for sure. George Kittle I'll ask you that this group of wide receivers versus a different position when we come back from this break on fantasy football today.

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Times may vary and fees may apply. All right folks, welcome back. So the question that we left off on was this group of four receivers. Lad McConkey, Jackson, Smith and Jigba. Garrett, Wilson and Devonte Adams. Jamie, do you like those guys or do you Take a running back that. Do you take a different position there? If we're talking mid to late round.

[Heath Cummings]

Three, for me, it would totally depend on how you started your team. So not to take the easy way out, but I think it depends on what you need at this point. I think in a vacuum, I would prefer the receivers over the running backs, especially. Walker's already battling or had some, you know, foot concerns. And the other guys you listed, he's really the only one that I would consider. But, you know, I would take him over Hampton, I would take him over Camaro. I'd take him over all those running backs for sure. So that whole group of receivers, just in a vacuum. The quarterbacks, same, same situation. But I think if, if you needed running back, I'd consider Walker and then forget about the rest.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, Walker's the only running back. I would take over these guys. I would take the top three quarterbacks.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And I, I split this group of four up. I, I still think that McConkey and JSN have a little bit more upside in full PPR than devonte Adams and Garrett Wilson do. Maybe the better way to say that is I think Adams and Wilson have more downside. Let me say it that way. Adams and Wilson, I think, have a little bit more downside in full PPR than JSN and McConkey do. So there's a gap between those groups of two receivers, and that's where I'd slide. All three of those quarterbacks. Allen, Jackson, Daniels. It's where I'd slide. Walker, Hampton, Camara. That's not the order I have him in. James Cook is in that group. But to me, I, I value the, the younger guys more than the older guys. I, I'm calling Garrett Wilson an older guy. I should be whipped for that. But he, He's. He's in that group of guys that have a lower floor.

[Adam Azer]

I just want to say, I look at JSN and I know we're concerned about maybe Cooper cup being there. JSN's another guy who's had success. When he's lined up out wide, it's. That's been pretty, pretty rare, but he's almost always in the slot. Cooper cup has played 912 and 12 games in his last three seasons. He is 32 years old. His numbers are getting worse. Even if he misses, you know, let's. If he misses four games, those could be just huge games for jsn. So I just, I'll go on a Limise. I love JSN. If I can get him 34th overall, which is where he's going. That's like an automatic pick for me.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yep. I'm a little bit ahead of that. I think he's a top 30 player. We saw it last year when DK got hurt. I want to give the exact number. Give me a second 17.7 PPR points per game from week eight on. DK is on a different team. I know it's a different quarterback and I know that the Seahawks say that they want to run the football and they should be better at running the football. Just because Ken Walker's hurt doesn't mean that they're going to give up on running the football. We all know that Zach Charbonnet is behind him. Charbonnet might even be the better fit. I say that every time we talk about these running backs. There is no better receiver on this team than Jackson, Smith and Jigba and I. There's a trend that I think we're going to get in the NFL. This applies to the Chargers. This applies to a lot of teams, guys that are slot oriented, meaning either they've played in the slot a long time or they're so shifty in their routes that they, they, they, they seem like good slot receivers. They're going to start to play on the field at the same time and they might both be in the slot at the same time. Or they'll line up wide and they'll, they'll just run an inside breaking route. And teams are going to take advantage of that route running that agility. And then all these guys have great hands too. I, I think that JSN is still going to dominate targets and the contingency upside of Cooper cup missing time and a further uptick in targets for Jackson, Smith and Jigba just get me really excited about him in full ppr. Much less excited and non ppr. I need those catches to mean something for JSN to be a top 30 pick.

[Dave Richard]

I, I've separated JSN and cup even more, but I do think that the loss of DK could be entirely made up for in terms of target volume by cup and Cup. Played in an offense that threw 34 fewer times than the Seahawks last year and only played 12 games and he had eight fewer targets than DK last year. He's always been a much higher target guy that DK has, so I just worry they threw 593 passes in Seattle last year that might go down by for a game and they might be less accurate if Sam Darnold was just a creation of Kevin o' Connell last year. So I. That's. I think JSN is going to be the best wide receiver on the team, but it might not be 137 targets like he had last year.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, into round four, here we go. So Devonte Adams is in round four, but let's see who. Who else we got? We got Terry McLaurin, we've got Marvin Harrison Jr. And that's pretty much it. The wide receivers are going to start flying off the board beginning in round five, basically, but Terry McLaurin and Marvin Harrison Jr. Jamie, who do you prefer?

[Heath Cummings]

Well, Mike Evans.

[Adam Azer]

Evans. Very sorry. Evans is there. Yep. Go ahead.

[Heath Cummings]

Of those guys right now. I. I prefer Harrison. The longer it seems as if Godwin's going to miss, I would prefer Evans, but both of them make me nervous for different reasons. I would not touch Terry McLaurin at all right now in this range, so I'll let somebody else draft him. But in terms of the three of them, this is where we start to see the drop off. Dave alluded to this earlier, you know, so once we get past, I think the. The JSN Adams group in terms of adp, there's reason for concern, which is why I think you want to try and get two of those guys, if you can, of the previous group, the previous 16. So McLaren, with the hold in just I and. And the. The expected touchdown regression that's coming, I won't touch him here. Evans, I think when everybody's healthy, is not going to produce at this level. I would drop him around at least if Godwin were to be able to play early in the season, which at this point we don't know. And then Harrison, I think there's still immense upside, but clearly he's got to do a lot of different things than he did last year. I think he will. I think some of the things that we're seeing will help him and hearing that will help him, but it's just how much do you want to buy into it? So to me, he's closer to where Metcalf and Sutton are versus where he is right now.

[Adam Azer]

Heath, your thoughts on these three. McLaurin, Evans, Marvin Harrison Jr. In round four.

[Dave Richard]

Well, I have, I think, six or seven wide receivers in round four, and Terry McLaurin is the only. Only one of the three we're talking about. Evans, I like, just a little bit later. Like, I think I'm 49th, so if you took them in round four, it's not the worst. But I do worry about the age I worry about the. The target competition. I. I just. I think the Harrison thing, if you want to bet on the player, it's. It's kind of like Garrett Wilson, if you just want to bet on the player that you think is really good. I just haven't seen anything to suggest this offense is changing in a way that's going to make him more valuable in PPR leagues. So I'm not taking Marvin Harrison as early as. I haven't really downgraded Terry McLaurin that much yet because of the holdout. It's just. I think it's too early. I still expect he's going to play for the commanders. There is going to be touchdown regression, but I think even with touchdown regression, he's a fine pick in round four.

[Adam Azer]

And Dave, your quick rundown of those three. McLaurin, Evans, Harrison.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Not sure how quick this is going to be. Evans, if you just saw him practicing and running around in practice against the Titans and it's the Titans, would have guessed. He's 28. He looked great. Separating like crazy on the same page as Baker Mayfield. I'm nervous. I have him too low and I have him at 43rd overall. Marvin Harrison Jr. Every single highlight gets people excited. If he's got his timing and rhythm down with Kyler Murray, we all have him too low and I've got him at 42. I've got him ahead of Mike Evans. But I'm starting to get the idea of targeting these guys because I think that they can give us like, like a floor of 14 PPR points per game. But the ceiling. We know what the ceiling is with Mike Evans. We saw it last year, especially when Scotland went down. Marvin Harrison, if he just, you know, has better metrics, basically, and maybe an uptick in targets, dude, he could be a top 12 receiver, no questions asked. Maybe return the value of where we were drafting him last year. McLaurin in Washington, they need him badly. They. They especially need him in the red zone. I don't know if they've got a receiver that can really do what he does. They're using Debo in the slot more than anything else. And I. I think this offense isn't quite the same without McLaurin there. I agree with Heath. I think the solution will come eventually. I just hope that it doesn't come too late in the preseason where McLaurin suffers from not being in camp, not being in game shape, getting off to a slow start. Maybe he has an injury. Like there are all kinds of issues that could come up because he's not routinely practicing with the commander, so he's out of round four for me. Harrison and Evans, they are right behind Devonte and Garrett Wilson in my rankings and I I can't rule out moving one or both of them ahead of at least Garrett Wilson because of the upside that that they deliver. And just watching Mike Evans in person really made a difference for me.

[Adam Azer]

Evans was so good last year. And the thing is we, we do fall back on this issue of Mike Evans was wide receiver 23 per game in the first six games of the season. 21 per game and half PPR. 23 per game and full PPR. And his pace was 71 catches, 878 yards and 14 touchdowns. He was on pace for 14 touchdowns and he still was only wide receiver 23 per game. And because he was on pace for 119 targets, he did have eight end zone targets though. Though. But I made this point on the mailbag make it now. He faced he had three games with more than 20 fantasy points and he had three duds. One of the duds is kind of hard to explain, just a bad game. One of the duds was against Patrick Certain. One of the duds was against the Saints and he is never good against the Saints. So I I'll let you listeners decide how you feel about that. But you could look at that as kind of an excuse. But for Evan, for Evan struggling in those first six games, struggling is a relative term. He's wide receiver 23 per game in full PPR, which is his worst format.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

But if we're drafting him as wide receiver 18 or wide receiver 20 and he finishes his wide receiver 23, it's not great. We wouldn't be happy, but it's not the end of the world. I feel like we're drafting Evans much closer to his floor than his ceiling. And those are the players that I'm always trying to get.

[Heath Cummings]

I think the the one thing just to keep in mind is that those first six games, while three were good and three were duds, we now have the most competition for targets that he's ever faced.

[Adam Azer]

Yes.

[Heath Cummings]

Because if a booker is as good as everybody says and all you hear from everybody that is around Tampa's team and that has seen them play and has talked to their personnel and players, they just rave about this kid.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

It's true.

[Heath Cummings]

And we know what Godwin was last year and if he's healthy, he's going to be a problem. Whatever level you think Godwin's going to play at, he's going to Be a problem for Evans. And so to get to his ceiling again, I think is just a little bit harder. So I, I don't think, and I think this is where, you know, Dave's evaluation is. Right. Like, I don't think this is a Evans is slowing down situation.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

No way.

[Heath Cummings]

Because of his age. I mean, that may happen at some point during the season. We'll see. But it's just there, there's, there's so many mouths to feed in this offense, especially if Bucky's going to be better based on what he did a year ago in the run game's better. And now you have to factor in some of the downside for Tampa, which we talked about with the quarterbacks preview. Like, I know you guys are concerned to a degree about Baker and their aggression coming there. You have Tristan worse who know how, who knows how long he's going to be out. So the protection and the line may not be as good. And so let's Also not forget 32 year old Mike Evans missed four games last year with a hamstring injury. Like, you know, those things don't start to get better over time. Those things start to creep up more over time. So I just think like this might be his ceiling. I don't know if this is for.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay, yeah, you want a hot take.

[Adam Azer]

Real quick, go ahead.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Abuka is going to be more of a problem for Evans than Godwin will this year.

[Adam Azer]

Okay. All right. So there are three wide receivers who are 32 this year. We've talked about two of them already. Adams, Evans, Cooper Cup. 32 is often a fall off a cliff season for wide receivers. Julio Jones was pretty good at 31. He was injured, but he was good when he played. He completely faded after that last year alone. Keenan Allen and DeAndre Hopkins, two Hall of Famers, they had their worst seasons at age 32. Sometimes it is just a precipitate, like unexpectedly awful year at that age. Not always. Not always. There are plenty of examples of great players continuing it, but it's a, it's a worrisome, it's at least something that should be on your radar. All right, let's go on to the next group of wide receivers here after McLaurin, Evans and Harrison. We get into round five, we have DJ Moore. Oh, man, this, this round is great. I did a mock draft on the air last night and I came away with four, three wide receivers in this range, which was great. It was a 10 team league, but it was all right. So this round is DJ Moore, Rasheed Rice, DK Metcalf, Cortland Sutton, Devonte Smith, Xavier Worthy, and we'll stop there and then after that, Zay Flowers, Jameson Williams. We haven't talked about Tetterola McMillan. He's. He could end up being in the fifth round, but D.J. moore, Rashee Rice, D.K. metcalf, Courtland Sutton, Devonte Smith, Xavier Worthy, Heath, do you like this round as much as I do? I actually like some of the guys going after like Jameson Williams and Tetarola McMillan and Travis Hunter. I. I just like this range, I guess.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, I've got Sutton, Metcalf more and Worthy all in round four. So I. I absolutely love those guys. Getting them in round five. Think Sutton's probably the most underrated of the group and should be expected to see 130ish targets and maybe score 10 touchdowns. Metcalf is a little bit more of a wild card just because of the age of Aaron Rodgers and the run heavy tendencies of Arthur Smith. But he has big, big upside if somehow Rogers just throws to him ten times a game like he has his wide receiver one in the past. Worthy, obviously. Huge range of outcomes as well, depending on how many games Rushy Rice has suspended. I saw some speculation that the Chiefs are expecting four to six games for Rice, which I think would mean you're going to feel really good about taking Xavier Worthy in round five. You may want to see it. Take him in round four and then the DJ Moore. How many times have we talked about not knowing where the Bears targets are going to go?

[Adam Azer]

Yeah.

[Dave Richard]

It's still possible that D.J. moore, like he has been the last two years, is the number one wide receiver in a Ben Johnson offense. Well, he's been number one for the Bears. Now it's in a Ben Johnson offense and just smashes us.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, a couple things real quick. Schaefer's pushing back on my Keenan Allen hall of Fame comment. I stand by it. I think he's going to the hall of Fame. Let's do this.

[Heath Cummings]

One of the hardest positions to figure out who gets in.

[Dave Richard]

I would say probably not at this point.

[Adam Azer]

All right, maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll stick.

[Heath Cummings]

Chargers ring of Honor. He's in the Chargers Ring of Honor.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Fantasy hall of Fame.

[Adam Azer]

I think I might be wrong on this one. Damn it. Okay, so we're gonna start with DJ Moore. We're gonna do rounds five and six, wide receivers, and we're gonna do the.

[Heath Cummings]

You think DeAndre Hockman is the hall of Famer?

[Adam Azer]

Yes. Yeah, he Yeah, I do, I do. We forget how dominant he was. He's one of the only wide receivers actually over the last 10 years or 12 years, I think 12 years that is finished as wide receiver one in fantasy on a team that was bottom five in past attempts. In fact, I think he is the only one to do that. DeAndre Hopkins with Houston, I think.

[Dave Richard]

I think somebody, maybe Schaefer can do this for us to just get a collection of the names of wide receivers who have not. Who are eligible and still haven't gotten into the hall of Fame because there are just some incredible. Especially for these guys that don't win rings, it's. It's really hard.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Andre Johnson did it.

[Adam Azer]

That's. That's the guy. I would come back. I mean, I think he was better than both those guys. Certainly better now.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

No question.

[Adam Azer]

All right, so we're going to go through the rounds five and six guys. It's a really exciting group. And I want you to use the I want to draft him o meter. Just 0 to 10 on how much you want to draft this guy. Because while we should go by adp, we do consider this part of the Blob. So, you know, they could go in any order. For example, how much I want to.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Draft him at ADP or out of.

[Adam Azer]

ADP around five or later I want to draft this pick.

[Dave Richard]

48. Okay.

[Adam Azer]

And round five or later, I want to draft this guy. 0 to 10, DJ Moore.

[Heath Cummings]

Seven at their spot. I'm confused. Like, we want to draft them at their spots.

[Adam Azer]

You're up in round. You're up in round five and you tell me how much you want to draft this guy. DJ Moore.

[Heath Cummings]

10.

[Adam Azer]

Okay. Seven, eight and 10. Rashid Rice.

[Heath Cummings]

Four game suspension or less 10.

[Dave Richard]

Oh, yeah, of course I'm gonna say a five.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

You're not getting him. If it's a four game suspension or.

[Heath Cummings]

Less in round, I think it's four. This is where he'll go.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, I think he. I don't. He won't be a top four round pick if he's suspended for. Well, for one game. Yes. For two, maybe two, three or four. I don't know.

[Heath Cummings]

Well, four, four. I think three.

[Adam Azer]

Maybe too much.

[Heath Cummings]

Anything under three, he's gonna go in the first two rounds.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, first three. Okay. How about DK Metcalf?

[Heath Cummings]

10.

[Adam Azer]

10, 8. Corland Sutton, 10.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

10, 8.

[Heath Cummings]

In the last 10 games with Bonix was over 18 PPR points per game. Like once Knicks figured it out, Sutton was pretty damn good.

[Adam Azer]

How about Devonte Smith, eight.

[Heath Cummings]

Six.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, I'm. Jamie wants everybody. Jamie, you are the high guy on devonte Smith. The thing is we always talk about, well, he doesn't do that well when everyone's healthy. But there's Goddard's always hurt.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Okay, so patches of in every season where Devonte Smith gets an opportunity to be like a top 15 fantasy receiver, if not higher.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah, I just, I'm not. I'm sticking with my narrative of I'm concerned about Barkley and I think it's going to benefit the passing game and I think it's going to benefit Devonte Smith and A.J. brown.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

They do want to throw more. Like you've heard that from their coaches.

[Adam Azer]

All right, so we got a lot of high numbers here. How about Xavier worthy in round five?

[Heath Cummings]

So Rice suspended. Four games or less. 10. Four games or more. Excuse me? 10, four games or less. It's probably a six.

[Dave Richard]

I was gonna say seven.

[Adam Azer]

Zay Flowers four.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Negative 16.

[Dave Richard]

Three.

[Adam Azer]

So Devonte Smith was on pace for 116 targets last year. Zay Flowers was on pace for 121 targets last year. If you remove week 18 where he played 20% of the snaps, even if you don't, he had 116 targets. So that in 17 games that was the same exact pace as Devonte Smith. And we know Devontae Smith gets more targets when other guys are out. So the production just wasn't as good. Only four touchdowns for Zay Flowers. But I do find it interesting that there's that big of a gap for you guys and your excitement to draft Zay Flowers compared to devontae Smith. And I want to talk about that after we take a commercial break. So we'll finish up rounds five and six and we'll get to always good wide receivers around seventh. And not just good. Round seven through nine, we get great wide receivers. We get a lot of busts because it is round seven through nine, but we get great wide receivers. We got a lot more wonderful names to talk about on fft. We'll be right back.

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[Jamie Eisenberg]

I think there should be because devonte Smith still has that contingency upside. I, I what's the contingency upside for Zay Flowers at this point? Like, it's got to be not just Derrick Henry misses time, but Mark Andrews has to be out for a while. DeAndre Hopkins has to fizzle out. This is a team in Baltimore. Like, we know their identity. They're definitely not changing it. This team runs the ball. They've always been run heavy and it's really, really hard for a receiver. You talked about it, Adam. It's hard for a receiver to put up huge fantasy numbers when they're on a team that's so run heavy, especially on Baltimore. I think they produced one wide receiver in the Lamar Jackson era that's averaged more than 13 PPR points per game and it wasn't Zay Flowers. So I, I just, I don't want to draft this guy in that same range as devonte Smith, who is is the same type of player, if you ask me. Like, they're both so fast, so small, very shifty. But I just, I like the situation better in Philadelphia, even though Philadelphia last year. Yeah, they barely ran the football. At least devonte Smith can get some action in the red zone. You Zay Flowers, really, especially inside the five, just is a total non factor. Other receivers that we're talking about in this range, easily much more of a factor in the red zone, if not inside the five.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, so how excited are we then? So, so Zay Flowers is the one that if you're in round five, I.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Wrote a whole thing on this if you want to read it on CBS about Zay Flowers.

[Adam Azer]

Okay. Don't Take him in round five. We're saying. What about, what about Jameson Williams? This. I. You heard my, my wide receiver strategy. I mean, part of it, I think I said was I want to get Jameson Williams at the 5, 6 turn. But, you know, Heath, I did. I did a lot of research this morning about the last three seasons and the wide receivers drafted in rounds four through six and the ones that really stood out. And not surprisingly, targets were the biggest factor. There were examples of players who didn't get a lot of targets and just had great years. Like, like Jameson Williams last year. He was a later pick, but Jalen Waddle in 2022, Brandon Iuk in 2023, a couple. Terry McLaren last year. But I am worried that I'm too high on Jameson Williams because he might be great, but he might just not get enough targets to matter. It sounds a lot like Zay Flowers, but anyway, do you think. Well, you give me, you guys your answer. 0 to 10, Jameson Williams in round five.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

5, 7, 8.

[Adam Azer]

Heath low guy.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, I mean, I've got him at the 5, 6 turn, so I'm much more excited to draft him in round six, I think. Yeah. The targets we are all anticipating to go up is how much did the targets go up? If he stays at the same target volume he was at last year, the ceiling may not even be as high as what we saw last year because the efficiency was insane. So it's just. Does he go from, what was he, 105 target pace last year to 120 to 115? Like that's. That's going to determine it. I think he's the, the perfect upside wide receiver. 3.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, you're going to get a little bit of rushing from Jameson Williams and you'll get a little bit of rushing from Zay Flowers, who's rushed for 56 yards two straight seasons. So that does help a little bit. All right, next guy is Travis Hunter. Let's say we're in. Well, stick with round five. Round five for Travis Hunter. 0 to 10. How excited would you be? How happy would you be to get him?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Six, seven, eight.

[Adam Azer]

And let's go to round six. I don't think the rest of these guys are going in round five. Except. No, that's not true, but I don't think Pickens is so. Pickens in round six, 0 to 10, 8, 9, 4. All right, we'll come back to that. Teteroa McMillan in round six, 10, 10, 8. Okay, so that's a guy that we should be.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Those are two That I like a.

[Adam Azer]

Lot ahead of consensus Pickens and McMillan. And is that it or do we have one more. We have Calvin Ridley.

[Dave Richard]

Round six.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, he's going at the six, seven turn, basically.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, that's right.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I'd be like a six and a half.

[Dave Richard]

Five, six.

[Adam Azer]

So Dave talk about McMillan. We did talk about McMillan a lot yesterday. So briefly on him, but focus on Pickens. We didn't talk much about him as a round six pick. George Pickens.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

So what I am kind of expecting from the Cowboys this year is a lot of circus and calamity. I not a big believer in the defense. I'm not a big believer in the run game. Those two things would lead to the offense having to throw a lot. Dak is back. Hopefully that offensive line does get healthy in time for the start of the season and I could see this team end up growing a lot. And Pickens has been a great star in camp. There's been a lot of hype about him and he's not. He's never going to be double teamed. CD Lamb is there. He'll never be the top target getter over the course of the season as long as CD Lam is there. But there's going to be a few games this year where he'll get more targets than CD Might be four, but it's going to happen. But they're both going to get a lot. And that's the point, I think if there's just going to be a lot of volume and he's playing with. With Dak Prescott instead of Russell Wilson, I think there's absolute. And he's playing as the number two receiver. I think we can see George Pickens potentially average 14 PPR points per game and getting that. In what round are we in?

[Adam Azer]

6.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Especially with all the other receivers that are going to come off the board after him. I think that's a win. I think he can be a great number three receiver and he might even sneak into the top 24.

[Adam Azer]

Anybody else have anything to say about Pickens or McMillan?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I didn't say a word about McMillan.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, no, we've covered him a lot. We're getting excited about McMillan. He's you should round five guy.

[Heath Cummings]

They know the top top 24 receiver that could easily push to the top 20. I mean, you know, just looking at what his opportunity is in his offense, what he did in college, the way that the draft capital was spent on him, like there's. There's a lot to like, especially if you buy into what Bryce Young did at the End of the season that this is going to be his go to guy, and I think it will be. So I would take him ahead of several of the guys here, like, and. And round five, I think, is a great spot for him.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, so now we go into round six, and I mean, I kind of have to do a double take to see. Oh, no, we're in round seven, right? We're on round seven. Sorry. Do a double take to see Jerry Judy here because, you know, we've never made it this far in our drafts. We do go. Scroll up a little bit, Thomas. I'm sorry. We have. Jalen Waddle is the first guy in this range here. So Jalen Waddle, Jerry Judy, Chris Godwin, Chris Olave, and Jordan addison. That's round seven. And we're up to wide receiver 36. These are wide receivers 32 through 36. And I just looked at football guys, and Jerry Judy is going 72nd there, too. So can we just say if you can really get Jerry Judy in round seven, you should take him? He says you should take him in round six. Would anybody take him in round five?

[Heath Cummings]

In a very heavy receiver league? Yes, but I would prefer to get him in round six.

[Dave Richard]

I would take him in round five. But you don't really. Doesn't seem like you have to unless you're drafting with me. Although there's been a couple of times I've tried to play that game and Schaefer's using my rankings in the mock draft and takes him in makes me upset. But. And this is part of the reason, I think that if, like, really pay attention to these round seven, round eight wide receivers. And do you see the potential for these to be number two or number three wide receivers? Because I. If you do, it makes the elite quarterbacks, the elite tight ends and the running back, heavy starts more attractive. That hero wide receiver approach. If you think, you know what, I could take Jerry Judy in round six and Jalen Waddle in round seven, and we haven't even said Jacoby Meyer's name yet. I'll be fine with my number two and number three wide receivers. I want to be elite everywhere else.

[Adam Azer]

I mean, Chris Godwin was the number three receiver per game last year. He was amazing. We're going to have an injury doctor on not next week, but the week after. I wouldn't mind trying to get him on next week. I want to ask him a lot about Chris Godwin, but yeah, man, I mean, this is an appealing, appealing group here. Waddle. Top 24 per game in each of the first, is he going to his fifth year or sixth year? Every year. But last year for Waddle.

[Heath Cummings]

Year five.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, so each of the first three years of his career is top 24 per game in all formats. Yeah. Then there's Judy, then there's Goblin. So. All right, let's do the same exercise.

[Heath Cummings]

If you just want. One thing with Judy that I'm so curious about is we saw him take off when Cooper was traded and clearly the quarterback change. But the first couple of games it was Tillman.

[Adam Azer]

It was, it was kind of everyone, wasn't it? Because they were throwing 42 times a game. I think.

[Heath Cummings]

Yes, but Tillman was better.

[Adam Azer]

Tillman was better.

[Dave Richard]

What was the. What week does that start?

[Adam Azer]

Week eight.

[Heath Cummings]

I think Week eight was the. Was the quarterback injury. Week seven was the trade.

[Adam Azer]

Oh, okay. Yep. Tillman. Yeah. Week seven was, was Sean Watson got hurt in that game. Twelve targets for Tillman, six for Judy. And then. Yeah. Then after that, Jerry Judy was the number three wide receiver per game from weeks eight through 15. That's how good he was. He was on pace for 119 catches, 1,909 yards, seven touchdowns on 168 targets.

[Heath Cummings]

Right. This is not to say that Tillman should be drafted ahead of Judy. This is not to say that I think Judy is not the better of the. The Browns receivers. I just wonder how it would have looked over the course of the season if Tillman had stayed healthy. Just a small factor.

[Adam Azer]

One more case for Judy, because again, if you've been listening for months, you've heard me say this. If you're just starting to listen now, you. You probably haven't. 2022 is actually a really good season for Jerry Judy. There were three games in 2022 where he played 1%, 14% and 38% of the snaps. And he had eight targets in those three games. If you take those out, he averaged 15.8 PPR fantasy points per game that year and they were the lowest scoring team in football, by the way, which is kind of what you're expecting for the Browns. That was with Denver and. And he basically started the year second fiddle to Sutton and then he took over and was better than Sutton in the second half of the season. So he is not necessarily a one year wonder. Heath, what are you going to say?

[Dave Richard]

I was just going to say that I. I really think we have to qualify our expectations for the Browns offense and separate it based on. And as long as Joe Flacco is starting and after somebody else starts, because I don't Expect them to be one of the lowest scoring offenses in football when Joe Flacco's quarterback. I think they might be when someone else is. But I think there's a prit as much as Joe Flacco is not like maybe going to help them win games, although he might win a couple. And I think there's only five and a half point underdogs to the Bengals in week one. Like, I think that they will be closer to an average offense in terms of production, even if it's a bunch of garbage.

[Adam Azer]

Done well then take it like this. He's already played on the worst offense in football and still done very well. Okay, so let's do this exercise. If you can get these guys in round seven, 0 to 10, how likely are you to do it? How excited are you to do whatever you want to say? Jalen Waddle, 10.

[Heath Cummings]

108.

[Adam Azer]

Okay. And Dave's not even the high guy on Waddle. But we still think round seven is. Dave's always pointing out Waddle with HN on the field has been a different player. But round seven is good.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Jerry, it's HN and Hill. They both have to be on the field.

[Adam Azer]

Sorry, Judy. We'll just say a 10, right?

[Dave Richard]

200.

[Adam Azer]

Chris Godwin.

[Heath Cummings]

5.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, like a 6. Max.

[Dave Richard]

4.

[Adam Azer]

Tough. All right. Chris Olave, 5, 7 4. Jordan Addison.

[Heath Cummings]

3, 4.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

That's a 5.

[Adam Azer]

One of the weird things about Olave last year because he played only one game I think without Derek Carr and he had a huge game. But Rashida, he didn't play. But when Rashid Shahid was healthy, Shahid was out targeting Olave. It was very strange. Shahid is.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah, he is.

[Adam Azer]

Put him on the sleepers list, I guess.

[Dave Richard]

For sure.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yes.

[Adam Azer]

All right, so we said Addison, we're expecting a suspension. But he's. I mean Addison's kind of like Jameson Williams, right?

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah. But as I pointed out to you last night on the mailbag, you don't have him for three games. Week four is Pittsburgh, tough matchup. Obviously we don't know how McCarthy will look by then. Week five is Cleveland. Week six is his by. You may not feel comfortable playing Jordan Addison until week seven. That's a tough ask.

[Adam Azer]

Good point. All right, let's get to round eight here. Pretty soon we're going to see a drop off in tier, but depends who you ask because like two of the guys that Heath really likes are in this tier. Cooper cup and David Ajoku. So we've got Romo due and say sorry, Cooper cup and Debo Samuel. He does like David Ajoku and he's going in between those two guys. But we've got Romo Dunes A to start off Round eight. Cooper Cup, Debo Samuel, Stefan Diggs, Jacoby Myers. We'll end it there. It's not bad. Odunze Cup, Debo Samuel, Terry McClure and holding out right now, people. Stefan Diggs and Jacoby Myers Davis. Not a bad round. Not a bad round. Round eight.

[Heath Cummings]

Nope.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

It's. It's definitely filled with a bunch of wide receivers that you can see the upside for. And the price tag is. Is good and cheap. I don't know if I. There's not a single one that you named that I would say, ah, too soon.

[Dave Richard]

How much longer until Mecca Buka is in this group?

[Heath Cummings]

He's there for me.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, he is for me too. I meant an adv, but yeah.

[Adam Azer]

Really? I still feel like that's a little rich because.

[Dave Richard]

Well, he's not. I mean, he's in round eight for me. He's not. I've got cup and Debo higher than this, but he's right there with Diggs.

[Heath Cummings]

I think in terms of Odunze, for example, like, you're. You're banking on expectation, you're not banking on certainty. And to me that's a Buka same thing. Like, you're. You're hoping that they have a prominent role in this offense. You're hoping that their draft capital shines through. You're hoping that whatever changes may be happening for the Bears, it's a coaching change in offensive line and better quarterback. For the Bucks, it's maybe an injury to arguably their best receiver. So like, I'm not. I'm not drafting either one to be a starter if I don't have to. And in the case of the Bucks offense versus the Bears offense, Odunze I hope will be better because of his situation. But it wouldn't shock me if. If Abuka is better. And so at this point I'd rather bet on him. The longer Godwin misses practice there.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

This is. This is a group of old school versus new hotness because, oh, Dunesay, we've never seen it. We love them. We want to see him break out A Buka, obviously a rookie hoping for a breakout versus a lot of names of guys who have been around a long time and have been great for fantasy before. But there's issues that play on top of age that kind of keep us from being really excited about any of them.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah. Who's. So officially, who's your favorite in this group? Odunze Cup, Debo Diggs, Myers.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I still have a receiver you haven't named yet. Who's I like better than all these?

[Adam Azer]

It's got to be Pierce. All right.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Azer]

Where the hell is Ricky Pierce all.

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Pierce all just continues to rise for me. Absolutely. I, I worry a little bit about him getting like too steamed up because it is a 49ers receiver. The same thing that I talked about with Zay Flowers can certainly apply to Ricky Pearsall. But man, what a, what a great start to the season he could have if Jennings is sidelined and he's clearly the number one. 49ers have a great schedule all year long. Like he could really. I said before I don't think he could be a breakout. I might eat those words.

[Heath Cummings]

I might think, oh, Pierce all is definitely a breakup.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, I, I just, I don't know. Can he finish as like a top 15 fantasy wide receiver?

[Heath Cummings]

I don't think he has to. Especially the fact like.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

No, no, I agree. Right. But like, I don't know if he has his best year ever. I think he has a good year with a chance to be even better than that in 2026. I was like ahead of those players.

[Heath Cummings]

Best year ever is not a big ask, so.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Well, yeah, I'm talking about like even after this year.

[Heath Cummings]

Well, I, I would hope that he continues to get better, but I think the situation may be the best that he's ever going to face because the guy that is being paid the most is most likely going to start the season on the pop. If not not be ready for the early part of the season and then you have the other guy who wants to get paid dealing with the calf injury most likely or could just be a hold in but in any event, not ready to go. And so while the targets may not be what you love, the opportunity is fantastic. Okay.

[Adam Azer]

All right. Let's I guess move on then a.

[Dave Richard]

Little further down to answer the question. Roman Dunes is my favorite.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah. Do you guys like Odunze or Pierasol?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And I'll take Diggs over a Dunes A too. Diggs didn't practice much with the first team offense, but every time he was on the field he was targeted. He's, he's, he looks like he never had an ACL injury. It's really incredible.

[Adam Azer]

I just doubt, I, it's not personal to you. I just, I doubt the media's ability to truly assess that or anyone's ability to truly assess that until the games start because.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

What are you talking about assessing if.

[Adam Azer]

A player is fully back.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Well, he can't be fully back if he's not a full time player in practice. I think just by that notion you could say that they're kind of, you know, taking it slow with him. And he's 32 years old coming off of a torn ACL. I get it. But that's, but that's why we're not drafting him in round six.

[Adam Azer]

Sure.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

That's why this round A range is just amazing.

[Dave Richard]

Just to finish off the round eight range, can I give the Cooper cup pace through week 14 last year?

[Adam Azer]

Yeah. Everybody get ready to pick your job. Through.

[Dave Richard]

And again, he only played nine of the first 14 games. But through week 14 he was on pace. 17 game pace of 171 targets, 119 receptions, 1241 yards and 11 touchdowns. Might have been better if he just gotten hurt that week and missed the last three games. And his value would probably be higher right now. But he played the last three games, only got three targets in each game. And so maybe, maybe that December 9th he hit the cliff and went over it. Or maybe it's a great value.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I think everybody is avoiding him because he, he got hurt a bunch, not just last year, but in the years prior and he's on a different team with a different quarterback.

[Heath Cummings]

It's an easy. I think the, the question will be is why did he still play as much and not get opportunities?

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, they ran the ball a lot. They were, they were super run heavy. They for some reason just stopped throwing the ball to anyone other than Fukinakua.

[Heath Cummings]

This is weird to me.

[Dave Richard]

No, it's, it's, it's very weird. But I think like comparing him to Diggs who just played six games and then tore the ACL and didn't play at all, There seems to be more optimism about Diggs. And I think Cup's 100 right now.

[Heath Cummings]

I think the, the thing with Diggs, Debo and Cup, you have three guys on different teams. You have three guys coming off of questionable situations, whether it's performance or injury. And you can make the case for and against for all of them. I think if there was everybody all in on all three of these guys to whatever degree, like Keith, you're obviously all in for the most part on cup and Debo, clearly compared to where they're being drafted, Dave's a little bit more positive on Diggs. I haven't ranked in a similar range, but I'm going to adjust a few things. But in any event, like you could see it all going bad, clearly, for all three of these guys, like, digs to your point, Adam. Like, we don't know how healthy he actually is. And typically when you see guys come back sooner than expected, something else tends to pop up. Hamstring becomes a problem, ankle becomes a problem. Like, they compensate for things to make sure that they're, you know, working out their. Their ailment. And then we see these, you know, other things become an issue. I hope that's not the case for Diggs, but how much will he have success playing on the outside? Last year he was a predominantly slot receiver for the Texans. And will he be that for the Patriots? Doesn't seem that way. So will that. Will that be a benefit to him? And then in the case of, you know, Debo, I mean, look, the hold in holdout track record the last two years has not been good for those guys. A lot of it has been injury related. If McLaren misses any time, like, Debo could be the number one guy there, but he also may not be the same guy that he was in years past. And obviously cup, as we just sort of alluded to when we were talking about jsn, like, does he even have the ability to stay on the field? And then will he get enough opportunities based on switching teams from where he was in Los Angeles to Seattle?

[Adam Azer]

All right, next up, we go to round nine, and we've got Khalil Shakir, Juwan Jennings, Matthew Golden, Ricky Piersoll.

[Heath Cummings]

Well, that's what I'm getting really excited about, too.

[Adam Azer]

Golden.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Golden.

[Heath Cummings]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, man. Pierce all or Golden. Who do you like better?

[Heath Cummings]

They're going to be back to back by the end of the day, ahead of all the old guys for me. So it'll be Pierce. I was like wide receiver. 34, 35 in that range. And Golden's right there as well.

[Dave Richard]

I've got Pierce all 38, golden 39, both at the end of round seven.

[Adam Azer]

So does this mean we're out on Jaden Reed?

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

What round?

[Adam Azer]

He's going in round 10. Out Juwan Jennings.

[Dave Richard]

It's okay.

[Adam Azer]

What round for Juwan Jennings?

[Heath Cummings]

Same 10?

[Dave Richard]

Yeah, 10 11.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I've got him in nine.

[Adam Azer]

We'll see if there's any more players. But I think when you look at Piersol and Golden here, and we shouldn't discount Jennings, he's been really good, too. I just know he's injured right now. Maybe. Maybe people look at those guys in round nine or 10 and say, this is my last chance to get a guy that could really just have this lad McConkey esque season. I mean I'm not going to say it's going to be that good but really must start territory and you know a lot of guys that have become must starts are not obvious to us. They just happen. But you could see the reasoning behind it and we're still, we're 45 wide receivers deep when. When we are staying that. So that's pretty cool. All right, let's scroll down and see who's after Jaden Reed. Jaden reed's wide receiver 46. Keep going down the list here to rounds 11 and later we got Brandon Ayuk who's unlikely to be ready for week one. We've got a Mecca.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

You know his name.

[Adam Azer]

Well, I think at this point if you'd love for IUK to go on pup, right you get him, you put him on pup, you get the roster spot back. It's not.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah, but I'm not. I don't want a player like that now. I want to player like that around or three from now.

[Adam Azer]

Okay. Abuka obviously is is should not be an 11th round pick. Keon Coleman, you know, excited.

[Heath Cummings]

You just get Myers and Shakir.

[Adam Azer]

No, they were back to back. We didn't really talk about them but Myers and Shakir should be what for your team.

[Heath Cummings]

Myers I think is in that wide receiver three range.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yep.

[Dave Richard]

I've got him as a mid wide receiver three. I think I'm not on him but Shakir some feels like Myers with an injury currently and probably worse.

[Adam Azer]

Jacoby Myers has been a top 30 wide receiver per game in half and full PPR three straight seasons. It's never been higher than I want to say 22 but that's pretty impressive. He's going as something like wide receiver 40. Let's see. So I Iuk Abuka, Keon Coleman, Josh Downs, Michael Pittman, Darnell Mooney. Definitely some names in here that Jamie likes. I know Abuka everybody likes but Keon Coleman and Darnell Mooney are going to be on a lot of your teams, right?

[Heath Cummings]

Yeah. I think the value for Coleman's great. You know, just looking at what he can be especially with Shakir dealing with the ankle injury. It's. It's similar again to what I said about Odunze and and Abuka. You know, you're banking on expectation more so than production. But I still just can't get past those two games that he had last year before the wrist injury. It seems like things were starting to click. And then he suffers the wrist injury against The Dolphins and he was just never the same guy. And so you look at this off season and what they've done, they bring in Josh Palmer As a 30 year old journeyman, they bring in Elijah Moore a journeyman. You know, these guys I think will fill roles for them, but they don't have the upside that Keon Coleman has. And so he's got a long way to go to be, I, I think a fantasy starter, a long way to go to even be somebody you want to say is one of your top reserves. But if you're talking about a fifth receiver, if you're talking about the value of where he is right now and again Shakira dealing with an ankle sprain like the, there's an easy path to success for him being tied to one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. And so they changed last year, the philosophy changed. They don't really need to have an alpha receiver, but I think this is the guy they want to be in that role. Like, I, I think Shakir is more of a complimentary guy as opposed to a lead guy. Like this could be a lead guy. I don't know to what extent. I don't think he's going to be a Brian Thomas, a Malik Neighbors, you know, young receiver who can step up and elevate a passing game, but he can certainly be a Jameson Williams type of guy. He doesn't need a lot of targets, can make a lot of plays, you know, different way of doing it, but you know, still somebody that can be, I think in that borderline wide receiver to range if everything goes right. But again, just almost a, a free pick in this point of the draft.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Could he be 20, 24 George Pickens?

[Heath Cummings]

Well, yeah, I mean it's going to be touchdowns. I don't think it's going to be anything. Yeah, that, that's going to. All of a sudden you're saying, wow, I can't believe Keon Coleman. 100 catches. Like, I don't think that's in his. No chance in his resume. His resume. But you know, like he could be a 70 catch, you know, thousand yard, six, seven touchdown guy.

[Adam Azer]

Sure. Is anybody drafting a Colts wide receiver? Because Downs and Pittman are both around. Wide receiver 50.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

What round?

[Adam Azer]

11, 12, 11. Yeah.

[Heath Cummings]

Fallback at best. Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yeah. Downs is great for the bench. In full ppr.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah. Okay.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I like Downs much more than Pittman.

[Adam Azer]

Then again, I'll just, I'll just continue.

[Heath Cummings]

To say I, I know, I know Darnell Mooney's hurt right now, which is clearly Hard to justify drafting him with any level of excitement. But they're going to throw the ball a lot. He's going to be on the field a lot. He was really good last year in, in a lot of ways. And one really good game with Michael Penix. Got hurt in the second one. Didn't play in the third one. To me, he's another free space at this point. Like the more he falls, the more excited I get about him.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, you got to take advantage of that preseason injury because you don't have to start them. You're taking his wide receiver 50. You don't have to start him right away. Okay, Jaden Higgins, we now get to some rookies here. Jaden Higgins, Trey Harris got Rashid Shahid, Marvin Mims, Luther Burden. So in this group of five wide receivers, there are three rookies. Jaden Higgins, Trey Harris, Rashid Shahid, Marvin Mims, Luther Burden. Heath, do you find yourself drafting any of these guys?

[Dave Richard]

A lot of I draft Burden and Shahid semi regularly. I've drafted Higgins once or twice, but later than this.

[Adam Azer]

Are we pretty much out on Trey Harris now that they signed Keenan Allen?

[Dave Richard]

I am, yeah.

[Adam Azer]

Okay.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

How many rounds are we drafting?

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, I don't know. Let's get another round in there.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

An 18 or 19 round draft and of course trail will make an appearance. But yeah, I think last edition crust, it crushed every receiver and LA except for McConkey.

[Heath Cummings]

Look at those last four picks on the list. I want all four of those guys.

[Adam Azer]

Wide receiver or just Basil Tune, Trey.

[Heath Cummings]

Benson, Luther Burton and Drone four. They're going after six kickers. Please give me them all day long.

[Adam Azer]

I'll take Fair Bear. No, just kidding. All right, let's scroll down to get the next group.

[Heath Cummings]

I think Burden to me is.

[Adam Azer]

Oh, okay. He. Wait, Heath. All right, Heath, I'm gonna try to.

[Dave Richard]

Hit the right button.

[Adam Azer]

You're gonna leave the stream. Don't end the stream.

[Dave Richard]

One man mailbag, eight minutes. See it?

[Adam Azer]

All right, listen, check out the FFT dynasty. All right, let's finish up here. We got.

[Heath Cummings]

Hey, did it right. Wide receiver 50 is the easiest pick of anybody we've discussed so far. Like, he is as of now the slot receiver for the Bears. And if that's the case. Oh my God. Could be absolutely ridiculously amazing. Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And it's cheap.

[Adam Azer]

Marquis Brown, Jack Besh, Christian Kirk.

[Heath Cummings]

That's your guy.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, that is my guy. Wide receiver 60. I think that's. Yes. Great.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Yes.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah. Marcus Brown, Jack, it's a bench receiver.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

I don't think Christian Kirk's gonna have a year where we go, oh, you gotta start Christian Kirk.

[Adam Azer]

I, you know what? I, I think it's, it's fairly realistic to say he's gonna have a season that's like Jacoby Myers or Khalil Shakir.

[Dave Richard]

Yeah.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

You want to know how that happens? Joe Mixon never plays like Joe Mixon.

[Heath Cummings]

I don't know.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

And they need a change.

[Heath Cummings]

You know d' Amico Ryan's, when I asked him at the owner's meetings, you know where, where do you see Christian Kirk? And he sled, he said the word slot about 20 times in a two minute answer.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Of course.

[Heath Cummings]

So playing in that role I think is fantastic for him. He's got to stay healthy. If he stays healthy, I think he could push for 14 points per game. He did that once his first year in Jacksonville. But how much will Higgins and, and Jaylen Noel not. Yeah. Jayla Noel.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Noel.

[Heath Cummings]

Noel.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah.

[Heath Cummings]

No, excuse me be impactful for this offense. I, I to me it was a great landing spot for him because you know, clear path to targets. So it's, it's a easy selection here just to take him. And I think to your point, Adam, like Khalil Shakir, I think Jacoby Meyer's ceiling is a little bit higher just based on what their resumes have been. And still being most likely the number one receiver. Forget about number one target getters. We know that's Brock Bowers but the number one receiver there for the Raiders. But in the, the Shakir comparison is great. Like the difference between those two guys may not be even in Shakira's favor at this point. Like you know, you're talking about 12 and a half, maybe 13 PPR points per game. That should be something that Kirk can do very easily.

[Adam Azer]

Christian Kirk was misused last year. He struggled last year. His adot was way too high. He also didn't play a normal snapshare in a lot of the games. So like his snapshare was the lowest it's been in Jacksonville. 70% for the season. His per out data pretty similar but a 13 point, 13.7 yard a dot for Christian Kirk. That is ridiculous. So look at the way they use Stefan Diggs last year he was, he was terrific. He's not Kirk's not going to be that good but he's wide receiver 60. He's a great pick. Rashad Bateman, Adam Thielen. One more page of wide receivers and we'll end the show. Xavier Legates. We got a couple of Panthers there. Kyle Williams just hasn't been playing with the ones enough.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

He hasn't.

[Adam Azer]

It's Mario Douglas. Oh, you've been there. What'd you say? What'd you say?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Mario Douglas and K. Sean Booty have worked with the, the first team offense the most. I, I would imagine that when they open week one against Las Vegas, it'll be those two guys along with Diggs when they go to three receiver sets. Douglas is the slot receiver. Think about the past slot receivers that Josh McDaniels has had and how productive they've been. And Drake may absolutely attack the middle of the field against Washington and Washington has some good linebackers there. So Douglas absolutely in play as one of these late round picks. Booty hasn't really hit the radar yet. Maybe if you're in like a mega deep league, you could tap on Booty's name, but I don't see Kyle Williams being helpful. What's so funny?

[Adam Azer]

Oh, nothing, Dave, nothing.

[Heath Cummings]

Oh, okay, you got another guy here. I know. Adam, this is one of your.

[Adam Azer]

Wait a second, Dave, was that on purpose or no?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

What? What was what on purpose?

[Adam Azer]

Okay, I can't. I never know with Dave of a stick or not.

[Heath Cummings]

There's. There's three guys in this range that to me are easy selections. One, you've been very, I think, bullish on drafting Adam. Is Romeo Dobbs seemingly playing a lot for the packers, more so than Jaden Reed at this point, and a guy that Jordan Love has continued to lean on, you know, so I don't think Dobbs is. Is worth overlooking, especially this late. Wandell Robinson is going to be still a prime target for the Giants and we'll see how that goes again. Cedric Tillman to me is so easy to draft here, so.

[Adam Azer]

All right, Dave. Good job, Dave. You got everybody in the chat making booty jokes now. Way to go. You know what?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

What do you mean?

[Adam Azer]

Why?

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Because his last name is Booty.

[Adam Azer]

Come on, people, grow. Grow up, grow up. All right, we'll finish at fantasy football.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Show, not some weird locker room.

[Adam Azer]

We'll finish it. Romeo Dobbs, wide receiver, 69. So good.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Oh, Romeo.

[Adam Azer]

Ha ha ha.

[Jamie Eisenberg]

Is the chat blowing up about that?

[Adam Azer]

All right, thanks so much for watching and listening, everybody. We've got sleepers, breakouts and busts next week. If you haven't heard the mailbag, it was a lot of fun. So you'll hear that tomorrow for Dave, Jamie and Ethan Thomas. I'm Adam. Have a great day. Have a great weekend. See ya.

[Heath Cummings]

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[Jamie Eisenberg]

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