2025 Bust Picks + Risers & Fallers - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/25

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary: "2025 Bust Picks + Risers & Fallers" (8/25/2025)

Overview

In this lively episode, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright dig into the most critical preseason risers and fallers, highlight their personal "bust" picks for 2025, and break down the latest fantasy-relevant NFL news. With preseason over and Week 1 looming, the trio delivers actionable insights and strong opinions to help fantasy managers prep for their critical drafts.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Nostalgia & Community Update (01:28–06:41)

• The hosts reflect humorously on the show’s early days, prompted by YouTube resurfacing a decade-old episode.
• Announcement of Megalobowl entries (largest fantasy football league), Listener League winners, and reminders to subscribe for live Sunday shows.
• "We were little baby children." – Jason Moore (03:18)

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2. Preseason Risers (07:44–15:31)

Andy: Ollie Gordon (Miami Dolphins) [07:44]

• Rose from buried on depth chart to likely A/B committee due to Devon Achane’s injury and strong preseason.
• "Ollie Gordon’s up over five a carry in the preseason and looked really good." – Andy Holloway (08:28)

Jason: Ricky Pearsall (49ers) & Marvin Mims (Broncos) [09:19]

• Pearsall simply stayed healthy—a big feat in SF. Mims played most two-WR sets, making him worthy of a last-round stash.
• "He just needs to be on the field for, you know, 80 plus percent of snaps...he’s going to be very relevant." – Jason Moore (10:07)

Mike: Isaac Tesala (Lions) [11:07]

• Rookie WR who keeps making plays and even broke out the worm celebration. Det. coach Dan Campbell expects him to contribute early.
• "He is so dynamic and, pun intended, he is so electric." – Mike Wright (12:32)
• Hosts discuss the impact on Jameson Williams and rookie red zone usage.

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3. Preseason Fallers (15:31–20:34)

Andy: Joe Mixon (Texans), Tyler Shough (Saints) [15:31]

• Mixon’s rehab remains mysterious; drafting him requires patience but could pay off. Shough, a 26-year-old rookie, failed to separate from Rattler for Saints’ job.
• "He is hiding. No one can find him." – Andy Holloway (15:51)

Jason: Jack Bech (Raiders) [18:10]

• Rookie WR has fallen 51 ADP spots; teammate Thornton seizing opportunity instead.

Mike: Trey Harris (Chargers) [19:46]

• Outshined by KeAndre Lambert-Smith and the Keenan Allen signing; would need injuries to matter in Year 1.

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4. News and Notes Rapid Fire (21:29–30:33)

• Terry McLaurin signs 3-year, $96M extension (22:05)
• Jaguars may move either Etienne or Bigsby (23:18)
• Saints cut Cam Akers; Kendre Miller solidifies as Kamara handcuff (24:01)
• Najee Harris possibly ready for Week 1, but has been limited in practice (24:57)
• John Jennings & 49ers injuries – soft tissue issues linger (25:31)
• Mixon's rehab described as "complicated" and "not ready" (26:38)
• Cowboys RB Jaden Blue with (another) mild ankle sprain (28:25)
• Offensive line concerns: Falcons, Lions struggling; Texans, Bengals, Giants among bottom OLs (29:00–30:33)
  • "Texans are the worst." – Mike Wright (30:16)

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5. Bust Picks for 2025

Andy: Garrett Wilson (Jets) [31:56]

• Cites high targets but poor historical fantasy outcomes with erratic QB play (now Justin Fields).
• "It is the most Garrett Wilson thing ever – get as many targets as humanly possible...and end outside the top 30." – Andy (32:47)
• Highlights lack of red zone appearances, questionable TD upside.

Jason: Ashton Jeanty (Raiders, RB) [36:37]

• Points to team’s poor outlook (6-win projection), lack of historical fantasy success for RBs on bad teams, and Jeanty’s aggressive ADP (RB5) as recipe for disappointment.
• "He’s being drafted right now as the running back five. It’s just too high." – Jason (39:51)

Mike: Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs, QB) [41:12]

• Mahomes is the "consolation prize" after the big four at QB, but recent declines in depth-of-target, fantasy finish (QB11, QB8), and a run-heavy, defense-first team philosophy cap his ceiling.
• "He posted career lows in yards, yards per attempt and touchdown rate." – Mike (41:45)
• "He did not finish in the top 12 until Week 9." – Mike (41:51)
• Discussion: without a dramatic offensive retool, Mahomes is a "set it and regret it" pick at his ADP.

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6. Listener and Discord Busts [48:51]

• Devon Achane, Garrett Wilson, Ashton Jeanty, Saquon Barkley, and Tyreek Hill frequently mentioned.

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7. Sleeper “Gems” and ADP Watch [50:00+]

• Malik Washington (Giants) and Marvin Mims named as sneaky late-round WRs.
• Weekly suggestion: use UDK’s player marking tools to keep tabs on under-the-radar names.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On the show’s early years:
  "You had the same different microphone." – Andy (03:28)
  "We were prepubescent." – Mike (03:32)

• On preseason takeaways:
  "The Marvin Mims rug is… it’s on the way." – Mike (10:00)

• On Garrett Wilson’s fantasy trajectory:
  "He has everything…except quarterback play." – Andy (32:04)

• On Ashton Jeanty’s risk:
  "Every single top five back over the last five years except for one…had double digit touchdowns." – Jason (38:42)

• On Mahomes’ fantasy role:
  "Kansas City has declined in average depth of target every single year since Patrick Mahomes became a starter." – Mike (42:41)
  "Do you backload the [Rashee Rice] suspension in case you get injured?" – Jason (47:36; humor segment)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 – Ads & Nostalgia
• 07:44 – Preseason Risers: Gordon, Pearsall, Mims, Tesala
• 15:31 – Risers & Fallers: Mixon, Shough, Bech, Harris
• 21:29 – News & Notes (Contracts, Injuries, Trades)
• 31:56 – Bust Picks Segment: Wilson, Jeanty, Mahomes
• 48:51 – Foot Clan/Discord Bust Submissions
• 50:00 – Sleeper talk, ADP advice, closing draft prep tips

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Tone and Language

The hosts mix humor, nostalgia, and sharp analysis, often self-deprecating and riffing off each other. They are candid about their own preferences ("I always skip over [Mahomes] in drafts...I just have to verbalize it"), poke fun at NFL quirks, and never shy away from strong fantasy stands.

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Takeaways for Fantasy Managers

• Monitor preseason risers and keep tabs on camp injuries.
• Stay realistic about players drafted on bad teams or with poor QB play.
• Be cautious drafting Mahomes at his price unless the Chiefs retool their offense.
• Be wary of the 'consolation' elite picks falling victim to sunk draft cost.
• Late-round WRs like Isaac Tesala, Marvin Mims, and Malik Washington could outproduce ADP.

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For Next Time

• Bust picks are about value, not just performance! Use the UDK or mark your own do-not-draft lists as your final draft prep this weekend.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

The Fantasy Footballer Studio is sponsored by Walmart. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, welcome.

[Andy Holloway]

Monday, August 25th, the fantasy footballers. Back with you, Mike the fantasy hitman, Jason Moore. I'm Andy Holloway. As we sit in this beautiful studio illuminated by the, you know, the controllers over there in Dooser's alley, I think about the. The humble beginnings in the upstairs bedroom. Mike. And yes, the reason I think about that with this show is because for some godforsaken reason, YouTube is just algorithmically sending an old episode into people's feeds.

[Jason Moore]

What?

[Andy Holloway]

From like 10 years ago?

[Mike Wright]

It was a good episode.

[Jason Moore]

I'm sure it was, but it was.

[Andy Holloway]

Like the first episode that Jason, you had to control the cameras with an iPad. Oh, yeah. And you're sitting there recording. We're recording the show. And I do realize that speaking right now will bring the world back to that episode, but you're like looking down at the cameras while you talk. And you know Mike had a man bun.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. At the time, probably very large beard too.

[Andy Holloway]

I would big old headphones on and somehow everybody. I'm getting messages from everybody. Look what showed up in my feed.

[Jason Moore]

So weird.

[Andy Holloway]

Could you not do that? YouTube. We've grown up a little bit and apparently Jason High's voices are completely different.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, it's crazy. You go back and listen to super old episodes. Mike sounds exactly like Mike's house.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. His nose has been stuffed for 10 years. Yeah, he sounds identical.

[Jason Moore]

And we. We were little baby children.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know what happened.

[Jason Moore]

It's not when we became men.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I don't. You know, we had different microphones, so I want to believe that some of it was that.

[Jason Moore]

But Mike. Oh, but Mike, he had the same different microphone.

[Mike Wright]

I was already a grown man.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that's true. We were prepubescent.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

So, yeah, that was. That was hitting me this week, and people sharing that with me, and I'm like, please hide that. Monday, August 25th.

[Jason Moore]

Probably go delete it.

[Andy Holloway]

We. I know there's too many of them now. They're all going to be found. And then the algorithm just stop. All right, We've got some, you know, preseason football is over. We're done. We're finished. You can draw whatever conclusions you want. We're going to talk some risers and fallers. It's a busts episode as well. We're each going to pick out a name that we think will disappoint. I don't know how long we'll spend on them, but we'll bring some names up of situations we're a little worried about in the context of fantasy, the big headline. I want to make sure we get out there once again. The Megalobol. It's available to enter right now. It is the largest fantasy football league in the world. It is for the Foot Clan supporters of this show. It is easy to enter. You just go to megalobol.com and every foot Clan member gets an entry. So the winner of the. Of the Megalobol, along with the bragging rights of beating every single person that listens to the show and us, because we'll be in it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You also receive a spot, an exclusive spot in the 2026 Listener League, which is exciting. And you get a UDK for life as well. And I think we're about 15,000 people. Some are in that vicinity right now. Megalabowl.com.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. If you haven't played in a couple years, the format has been perfected. Trades are back. They are open. Waivers are open in the playoffs. It is going to be an outstanding time, so make sure you join.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. What else do we have going on? Jason, what is the status? Whoa.

[Mike Wright]

Hey.

[Jason Moore]

See, he's still going up. You're going to get hair in the funniest places. Just wait. It'll shock you.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man. Yeah. 41 years old. It's time, Jason, you had things that I was going to ask you to say about the Listener league in general.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah. We are announcing all of our winners this morning. So make sure you check your email, everyone. Thank you so much for all your submissions. You guys always blow our minds every year. I'm so sorry that we've already made it a very large league. What is it? A 14 team league. Which sucks. But yeah. And if you. Again, just like, just like we were just talking about. If you didn't get in this year, just beat us in the, in the Megalo bowl and you get an automatic entry.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. That is. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, I hate, I hate that we have to say no to some people because they put time and effort in.

[Jason Moore]

I love it.

[Andy Holloway]

But that is. Jason loves it. Yeah. YouTube.com the fantasy footballer subscribe. Click the bell. The time to do that is right now because we have a Sunday live event every single Sunday that you do not want to miss as you prep up for the games which are coming so soon. This is the last week of no football.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. We're in, as college would call it. Well, I guess I was going to do a week zero joke. You see all this nonsense?

[Andy Holloway]

Is that what they talk about?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. What? They have a week zero.

[Andy Holloway]

What do they do in week zero?

[Mike Wright]

They play football games.

[Jason Moore]

No. You don't do anything in week zero?

[Andy Holloway]

Do they play games?

[Jason Moore]

Nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

Is it like inner. I don't know or something?

[Mike Wright]

Matt, help me out here.

[Andy Holloway]

Matt, do you know anything about college sports? Did you go to college?

[Jason Moore]

No. Okay. All right.

[Mike Wright]

But yeah, they have a week zero and it's like.

[Andy Holloway]

So we're in week zero.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

We are. Because there's no games.

[Andy Holloway]

Does that make it more exciting? If so, then cool.

[Mike Wright]

We're week zero.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Well, no. Yeah. This is what week zero should be.

[Andy Holloway]

The Megalo Week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Sign up for the Megalovo.

[Andy Holloway]

There you go.

[Jason Moore]

Prepare yourself for fun fake games.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Hey, I'm going to ask Alborn. Do you got a preseason power up drop back there for me? I can get to. Because I think, I think it's in demand over here.

[Mike Wright]

Hot start.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you remember back when we were in that upstairs bedroom, we'd hit all the buttons? Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

We would have them ready.

[Andy Holloway]

We'd have them all prepped up before the show.

[Jason Moore]

When we controlled everything. Everything much, much better.

[Andy Holloway]

It was so smooth and easy.

[Jason Moore]

Preseason power up.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, classic Week zero mistakes. All right. We're looking at the biggest preseason risers and fallers. We've each picked a name. I'm going. Ollie Gordon of the Miami Dolphins. My goodness. I mean, there was A, there was a point in time before the preseason began when he was very much the fourth running back on this roster. Fell in the draft. Madison looked great in camp. Jalen Wright was going to be the goal line guy. Average 1.5 a carry in the preseason.

[Mike Wright]

That's all you need on the goal line.

[Andy Holloway]

Though Jaylen Wright might.

[Jason Moore]

That is fair. If you're on the goal line, you get one and a half. That's a touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

That's true. Yeah. And. And then the injury to Devon Hn and then Ollie Gordon's up over five a carry in the preseason and looked really good. So there's a world where, you know, there's a, A and B combo there with Achan and Ollie Gordon. And Ollie Gordon may have a shot to. I mean, what if Hn re injures? I mean, the re injury risk is significant with soft tissue situations trying to get back in time for the season and they can run the football there. So, you know, offensive line notwithstanding, he still looked good in the preseason. I'm going to go. Ollie Gordon is the biggest.

[Jason Moore]

Right. That's a fantastic pick. It's a name people need to be aware of. Jalen Wright was an untalented, in my opinion and was an untalented back that I was still willing to draft because his situation said he should get work. I think Ollie Gordon is a little bit talented, so, you know, that's a huge upgrade.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

I've got a couple of preseason risers. Ricky Pearsall, I mean, he stayed healthy. Some of our biggest risers and fallers in preseason is really just like, we get close to the NFL season and we know who's actually injured and who's actually healthy. And so it's like, okay, hey, Ricky, great job.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a good point.

[Jason Moore]

You're healthy and you're in San Francisco. Darn near impossible to do that combination, but you've done it. I also want to throw out Marvin Mims.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Marvin Mims has been on the field in two wide receiver sets. Almost every snap with that one feels.

[Andy Holloway]

Like a little like maybe we're too quiet there.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, I think it's because we don't necessarily expect it to hold.

[Mike Wright]

You're waiting for that rug.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mike Wright]

The Marvin Mims rug is. It's on the way.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So, yeah, you fell for my trap.

[Jason Moore]

I'm still a little worried. But that's a perfect, like, last round pick though, because we'll find out. Week one, week one. He doesn't need to go out there and have 80 yards and a touchdown for me to go. Okay, it was real. He just needs to be on the field for, you know, 80 plus percent of snaps. If he is, he's going to be very relevant for fantasy this year. If he's out there 47% of the snaps, kind of how I expect. But I would never have drafted him before the preseason. And right now he, he's a target for me at the, at the end of drafts.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, we all know that the number one is.

[Jason Moore]

Oh yes, Bill Karosky. Oh baby. He could strangle you with a cordless phone. Bill Croftski.

[Mike Wright]

I didn't know we had one teed up.

[Andy Holloway]

He's always got one teed up.

[Jason Moore]

You got to be prepared. Please only ask me one more time this episode. I'll come into every episode with two. That's my promise. I got no more than that.

[Mike Wright]

So, I mean, it's him. But if you're a.

[Andy Holloway]

See, I thought you just instantly say Travion.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, he is. Those two are the biggest risers.

[Andy Holloway]

So the footballers crack staff over here, they put a few suggestions in before.

[Mike Wright]

We picked ours, right?

[Andy Holloway]

I deleted Trayvon out so you wouldn't pick it, but I just assumed you'd pick it anyways.

[Mike Wright]

No, I did not because look, he's my guy.

[Andy Holloway]

I like your answer, but if you're.

[Mike Wright]

Following me on the Twitter machine, it this is an Isaac Tesla account. This dude just keeps getting it done with. With huge plays, huge blocks.

[Andy Holloway]

People might not know who he plays.

[Mike Wright]

So Isaac Tesla, third round pick of the Detroit Lions. Third round pick of that Dan Campbell and crew traded two extra thirds to go and get it seemed wild and insane at the time considering, you know, Tesla's production production profile of, you know, playing at lesser school than and then just really no really no production once he finally got to play for a D1 school but he just keeps getting it done. Including this past weekend a 30 plus yard touchdown and then hits a. Hits the worm after the touchdown and it was executed.

[Jason Moore]

Really? I missed the worm, dude. That's a big boy.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a huge 9.5 out of 10 worm. I mean it was a. It was serious worm.

[Mike Wright]

It. It was sensational.

[Jason Moore]

That's a problem.

[Mike Wright]

And he just like. I don't know how the Lions keep him out of the wide receiver position for long because he's just. He is so dynamic and pun intended. He is so electric.

[Andy Holloway]

The comments from Dan Campbell are what matter to me. It's that this guy can be an impact player for their team early in the season Those comments are not necessarily associated with a rookie. And in this case I think they're very impressed.

[Mike Wright]

And it's not just, you know, catching the ball and then like his, his athletic profile is out of control. Like he is gigantic. He is strong and fast. But they're, they're talking about like the other stuff involved of getting on a field. We talk about a rookie running back. I don't necessarily love when a, when a running back is good at pass protecting because I want them out there catching, you know, getting dump offs. But to get on the field you have to be good at pass protection. And Tesla is good at other things besides just catching.

[Jason Moore]

Andy, you, you've been a Jameson Williams. You know, he's one of your my guys. Truth or a big breakout season coming forward. Does, does Tesla scare you at all?

[Andy Holloway]

Like, no, it doesn't. I mean, we've seen Tim Patrick make an impact on this team. We've seen Khalif Raymond make an impact on this team. I'm excited for the offense to have these guys and I think Taslaw is just, he's impressed as much as he can in the preseason. Yeah, the roles for those other guys are defined and there's a, there's room for him to come in and be much better than Tim Patrick on this offense. If anything, it might impact my view of Sam Laporta a little bit in the red zone. Just because I think Tesla can make an impact there, but not by. It doesn't really affect.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he doesn't scare me off of Jameson Williams. And we may go through this entire season where Tesla is not really a part of your fantasy football team. But longer term, you need to be paying attention to him. And it could be one of those things where it's just better for Jared Goff if you have another, if you have another wide receiver who at any moment can hit a 50 yard touchdown and the defense has to worry about that with the other guys.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe golf will be somewhere.

[Andy Holloway]

I hope they can protect him because he's going to carve people up some.

[Jason Moore]

Of those deep routes that he's been running. And I know it's preseason, but I'm talking when it's one on one and it's like, okay, it doesn't matter. Maybe the, in preseason the defender's not trying as super hard as he could, but it's like he makes it look so easy.

[Mike Wright]

They're trying, they're trying to get a job.

[Jason Moore]

The separation that he's achieving seems like, I don't know how you stop A guy with his athletic profile. And why, why wasn't he great in college?

[Mike Wright]

We're not sure. Just like it happens sometimes the scheme and players just don't work their way into the good graces. So he's 6, 4, 2, 14 and he ran a 4, 4, 3.

[Andy Holloway]

He's very.

[Mike Wright]

And his, and his, you know, the explosive score is in the 91st percentile. So his size, weight and speed puts him at a 91st percentile. Speed score. He is.

[Andy Holloway]

It's really hard for me to figure out how he would be fantasy relevant on a regular basis this year, but he could be really good for golf. Like you said. I have two names for the Fallers. Well, I got one first. Joe Mixon. Oh yeah, he's playing a game of hide and seek. But. And he's doing it well. He is hiding.

[Jason Moore]

No one can find him.

[Andy Holloway]

Nobody has been able to find him. He just dropped.

[Jason Moore]

I'm literally about to drop draft him right now in a, in a league. He made it back to me. Where are you going to draft him?

[Mike Wright]

What round?

[Jason Moore]

It is the very end of the 11th round.

[Andy Holloway]

I was going to say he just went 13th round in my, in my expert league. Well, it was a 2 QB in my expert league, so it's probably about the same spot because Andy, you're wrong.

[Mike Wright]

Someone found him. That orthopedic surgeon guy. Well, look who posted on Facebook.

[Andy Holloway]

And I'm going to throw one more name out. Just. It's Tyler Schuck. I mean. Oh shucks, the Saints. First of all, the Saints are going to be terrible. Second of all, you spent a very high pick on Tyler Shuck and he had every opportunity this preseason to easily win a job over Spencer Rattler and couldn't even come close to doing it. I don't know if he saw.

[Mike Wright]

Did we get an official announcement?

[Andy Holloway]

There's no official announcement, but the odds, like the Vegas odds of the starter are so heavily in favor of Spencer Rattler. Chuck has not looked good. And if they're a bad team, what happens then? What are they going to do in the draft? This is the, this is the problem of rerolling like. And he's the Brandon Whedon, right? He's much older, he's 26 or whatever. A 26 year old rookie. So picking a starter or not, I think his. I think the excitement for him has dropped off.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we got a tweet here from Nick Underhill from four minutes ago. The Saints have not picked their Week 1 starter.

[Andy Holloway]

That is, I think it's minus 200 on Rattler right now that at this.

[Mike Wright]

Point and you have it picked. That's.

[Andy Holloway]

I got a snake, man. Well, here's the. I mean, what would you do if you're the Saints? What would you do? Because even if Rattler is twice as good in camp, is he your future quarterback?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I know you want to win ball games, but it's like you.

[Mike Wright]

Got to develop Shuck.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. You just spent the money. It's the Anthony Richardson thing to some degree. I mean, you don't got a lot of time to develop Shuck.

[Mike Wright]

He's 26, got to get on it.

[Jason Moore]

So yeah, if you're that age and you come in and can't be Spencer Rattler, then I mean we know for sure like the Saints will be drafting a very highly drafted quarterback in 2026.

[Andy Holloway]

Very likely, yes.

[Jason Moore]

So I hate Mike and I's fallers that we've picked in here. In fact, Mike, I picked mine because you picked yours.

[Mike Wright]

I understand.

[Jason Moore]

When you're attacking each other, we're attacking each other. It's really true. These are.

[Mike Wright]

Because it's the same exact reason for both.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. Right. These are two rookie wide receivers we like the tape of. Second round pick, second round pick, super high draft capital. Everything looking good. Going to situations where there was opportunity. Unfortunately the opportunity was. Has been taken by not them, but their teammates. I'm throwing out Jack Besh, massive dropper. He's dropped 51 spots in underdog, you know, second round pick.

[Andy Holloway]

They had a Tavian Wicks, also a massive dropper.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Oh, nice catching strays out here.

[Mike Wright]

Wicks, just leave the man alone.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he. He is bad at catching.

[Andy Holloway]

Want to miss the chance?

[Jason Moore]

No, you got to take it. When you take.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't say massive dropper a lot.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. But Jack Bash, rookie wide receiver for the. For the Raiders. I mean they have a different rookie who is on the field who was drafted later.

[Mike Wright]

Thornton.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Thornton is. And he's looking great. Like he's a candidate for a top riser. I mean he. Jacoby Myers is the wide receiver one. So the hope when Besh went here was maybe you could become the best wide receiver on this team outside of Brock Bowers. There's the opportunity for that. But even if you're not, they need another wide receiver on the field. Thornton's taken that, taking that job and Jack Besh has fallen.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. The name for me is Trey Harris and of the Chargers, both of these guys, Harris and Besh, longer term, I still believe that they will get it figured out. It's just as I feel like Trey.

[Andy Holloway]

Harris has been impressive.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

But his circumstances have now.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. But what happened with him is like so much buzz for Keandre Lambert Smith who like it felt like is he outplaying the second round Trey Harris and then on top of that, they went and got Keenan Allen off of the couch. So the, the chances of Trey Harris making an impact in year one feels like he needs other guys to get hurt. He can't just play his way into it.

[Andy Holloway]

For sure. I agree and I obviously Isaac Garendo with the, you know, Shanahan came out, he said Brian Robinson is our number two.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

So to me, that is the high priority backup running back. But in San Francisco, you normally need seven. So we'll take a break and we'll jump into some news. What's up, Foot clan? You can't count on much these days, but you can always count on Sundays with the NFL on CBS and Paramount. Plus. That's right, football fans, watch your local NFL game live every Sunday on CBS and Paramount. Plus all season long. This year's schedule is absolutely stacked with rivalries and revenge games, including the next chapter of the epic Bills Chiefs saga. So stay connected to it all on any device at home or on the go. Visit paramountplus.com NFL to get started today and count on Sundays for another must see season of the NFL on CBS and Paramount plus. All right, let's catch you up. Big news this morning.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league presented by Progressive Insurance.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, it's Monday, August 25th, but we got there. Hey. All right. Terry McLaurin has agreed to a three year extension. We're still trying to figure out if it's worth up to 96 million. More than 96 million or exactly 96 million. But that's the number.

[Jason Moore]

We know that number is involved.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that number is. Yeah, it's on the table. 30 million in a signing bonus. Terry McLaurin getting paid.

[Mike Wright]

Good for you, Terry.

[Andy Holloway]

Should have got paid.

[Jason Moore]

Please stay healthy, Terry. I always roll my eyes when the last minute. Oh, yeah, the guy who's been missing training camp, missing preseason and now has to go out in a couple weeks and play ball like he's worth $96 million. Please don't get hurt. Please be at full strength. Like just what did you save commanders like 2 million, 3 million.

[Andy Holloway]

The line item on the contract. One of them should have been loyalty tax. Oh, for sure that should have been on there. And you know, he deserves it. They had an amazing year. It was a huge Part was due to him and he's got a quarterback. And now you can rest easy with your Jaden Daniels situation because, you know, if McLaren, I guess we all kind of believed he'd be there. But if he wasn't, that would. That would pretty negatively affect Jayden Daniels passing game. So there was a report that the Jaguars may be looking to unload either ETN or Tank Bigsby. I. I think Mike alluded to that as a possibility. I don't know if it was Mike or Jason. One of you guys said it like recently. That seems like one of these guys should go and that would be awesome.

[Mike Wright]

So it would make things a lot more clear. And if there are a lot of.

[Andy Holloway]

Tootin fans out there.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the baseball Tootin, the Twitter hive for him, they would be very excited about this.

[Andy Holloway]

So that was one piece of news. Kyle Shanahan saying Brian Robinson is the number two. We just said looks like maybe Adam Thielen won't be a Viking. Thought that was a financial hurdles remain.

[Jason Moore]

Come on.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, you got to have money saved. Adam don't make that the problem, dude.

[Jason Moore]

No, Adam make that the problem. You get yours, he gets the team.

[Andy Holloway]

Security in a couple of years.

[Jason Moore]

That's true. That's a good point.

[Andy Holloway]

Cam Acres has been cut by these Saints. But the bigger news there was. It seems like Kendra Miller is solidified as the number two running back with the Saints. I listened to the press conference with Kellen Moore all positive about Kendra Miller.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, he has done what was impossible. He has stayed healthy through a preseason. One of the biggest coach, one of the. One of the biggest fallers, which isn't even worth. I mean, he is. He has fallen tremendously and he was already at the bottom as Marshawn Lloyd because he just can't stay healthy. Kendra Miller has a legitimate shot to be fantasy relevant. Obviously harder on the Saints, but being healthy, he's a good player. The coaching staff is actually not just putting him in the doghouse.

[Andy Holloway]

Catch the football and literally. Alvin Camara not only is an older running back, but got hurt to end last year. Like he wasn't on the field.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Some injury updates. Chargers general manager came out and said Najee Harris could be ready for week one.

[Jason Moore]

I think he said he should be able to go, which is.

[Andy Holloway]

And then Harbaugh said when Najee is ready to play, he'll be ready to play.

[Jason Moore]

Whoa. It's just crazy to me because every. I've been looking recently, like this past week, I have been checking on what Najee's been doing at practice and he's been like jogging off to the side in individual drills.

[Andy Holloway]

How you go from that to a significant role.

[Jason Moore]

Right. Because it's not like. It's not like you're waiting. I don't know.

[Mike Wright]

It's.

[Jason Moore]

It's an eye. So it just, I mean, go slam helmets and hopefully it's okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. John Jennings, Kyle Shanahan expects him to be ready for week one. So, you know, he said the quote was, I expect him to be back. I think he should be back from it. But you never know with Cavs, which that team. Yeah, we do know. We do know.

[Jason Moore]

You said you expect Christian McCaffrey back from his calf injury in week one last year, too.

[Andy Holloway]

So that is, you know, that calf could, I mean, another different paycheck could cure the calf. Yeah, that we don't know.

[Mike Wright]

The issue with Jennings is he should be a great fantasy football pick, but when guys miss the entire camp with injury like this, the numbers on those players hitting is very, very bad.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm feeling much more out on Jennings.

[Mike Wright]

Now, but that's the question here. Is, is he really hurt? Is he really hurt or is he just saying, I don't want to do this because you're not giving me my money.

[Jason Moore]

I think he's really hurt. When the first report came out of his injury early on, I thought for sure. I was like, wink, you know, this is a contract play. But the way that they've talked about it, it seems like he is injured as well.

[Andy Holloway]

The more details on the mix and recovery. The most recently recent thing we said. Aaron Wilson from Texas Insider, Texans Insider said it's been a long, tough and complicated rehab. It sounds like his rehab had been progressing and he had had injections and electromagnetic therapy to remove scar tissue, and then it like plateaued. And he sought those alternative, you know, rehab options in the medical world. And his hunch is that it may take more time. He doesn't think he's ready. That doesn't mean Mixon is off your draft board. I mean, Jason just said it like he keeps dropping because, yeah, you don't know when this guy's going to be available. You've heard nothing.

[Jason Moore]

It's. It's one of those situations where assuming he gets healthy and plays football this year, which maybe is not a guarantee, but that's a presumption. He's, you know, I don't think he misses the entire season. Even if he starts on the pup, misses four games. Whenever he's back, he's going to be the starting, you know, if he's able to play football, he's going to be the starting running back for this team. He is better than everyone else and they'll use him as a workhorse again is my belief. So I do think he is relevant for fantasy and I'm very worried about.

[Andy Holloway]

Making the wrong decision with the rest of the backs there that I'm not sure that they're worth taking because I don't.

[Mike Wright]

Between Chubb and Pierce.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Like I think that they're going to really truly split that work. I think both guys will be on the field a lot and I just don't know if those are going to be wasted draft picks later on in the draft because okay, you take those guys which you start them. I mean that just seems tough. Like I'd rather take one. I'd rather take Dylan Sampson than those two guys in Cleveland.

[Mike Wright]

That makes sense.

[Andy Holloway]

Jaden Blue low ankle sprain, which he already had an ankle sprain hopeful to be ready for week one. They were worried about high ankle. It wasn't. But the Cowboys running back situation, you know, it's.

[Mike Wright]

It.

[Andy Holloway]

How's he feeling?

[Mike Wright]

Blue as of right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Jalen Wright not only can't run well, he can't run at all right now. Left leg injury week to week. Aiden o', Connell, he's out. And then there you go. I think that's all we have by way of news. We did get some news on the offensive line for the Falcons that was pretty not good, pretty bad.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the right tackle is going to miss significant time.

[Andy Holloway]

He was the. They had the highest or second highest graded run blocking offensive line. There are a handful of offensive line situations and running backs this off season that are concerning, you know, the Falcons injuries. But not just that. Like we've talked about the Lions offensive line and missing interior pieces of that.

[Jason Moore]

Line like so Mike, an update here from this injury. You've. You're on the clock right this second. You actually are on the 101 and you have to pick between Bijan and Saquon in our league of record draft.

[Mike Wright]

How you lean in still Bijan.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Okay. Yeah. The I'm looking at the offensive line composite rankings right now for 2025. Number one Philly. Number two Denver. Number three Tampa. Bottom three offensive line still Tampa. Even with Worfs worse is only missing. I mean he's not even on pub.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure to start the year in Tampa that'll be a little bit of a problem. But still number four Detroit and bottom three. You want to take your shot?

[Mike Wright]

Texans.

[Andy Holloway]

Texans are the worst. Yeah. You should be able to figure out.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Dolphins.

[Andy Holloway]

Dolphins are fifth.

[Mike Wright]

Fifth worst. Yeah, but we didn't get those.

[Jason Moore]

Those were my two.

[Andy Holloway]

Man, you should be thinking about Cincinnati. Oh, yes, of course. You should not forget that.

[Mike Wright]

Of course.

[Andy Holloway]

Seattle 3, Giants 4 in terms of the worst. So that was today's news and notes sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote today at Progressive. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third party insurers not available in all states or situations. Coverage subject to policy terms, limits and conditions. All right, we'll do this now.

[Jason Moore]

Bus.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not my favorite segment. I don't really, you know, week zero here, I don't like focusing on.

[Jason Moore]

It's important though. It's important to get these right. I mean, if you drafted one of those picks that ruined people's seasons last year, then you wish you could avoid it. And listen to last year's episode.

[Andy Holloway]

And on top of our, we each picked a bust player today. But on top of that, we also released a special episode on Saturday.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Which looks like it's going crazy right now.

[Mike Wright]

It's good. It's. Yeah, it's. It's. We've been running a special miniseries only on YouTube called Just the Tips. And this one was about fades and it was talking. It's highlighting situations that you should be fading almost every single year. And then who is in that scenario this year that you need to have at least have the, you know, the antennae up in the air?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I have gotten back to the time of year where unfortunately I am going to say Garrett Wilson's name.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Garrett Wilson is my boo. He is my bust. I'm sorry.

[Mike Wright]

I understand.

[Andy Holloway]

He has everything, right. He's got talent, he's got ability. He's got a four year contract worth $130 million with 90 million guaranteed. He's got the targets, the second most in NFL history through three years. That's cool. And I don't, I think the floor is good for Garrett Wilson, but I think you might be really, really disappointed with the ceiling this year. And we, because we've been there, you know, we got the Aaron Rodgers experience. He had a better season mostly due to seven touchdowns last year. The year before, I mean, I don't know if we've ever seen a player, I mean, Kyle might know this off the top of his head because he's weird, but 168 targets during a year ending outside the top 30 at the.

[Jason Moore]

Position, there's no way that's ever happened. That feels outside of that one year.

[Andy Holloway]

With Garrett Wilson, like it is the most Garrett Wilson thing ever. That has been the story of his career. Get as many targets as humanly possible. But you know, the struggles in the preseason, Justin Fields, the passing game, Taylor Ing Strand coming over from Detroit. I really believe the running game is going to be what everything's predicated on there. If they have any success, that's going to be where it's at in my opinion. I think the shorter your targets, I think the high target volume is going to be there. I just don't know if you get the seven touchdowns. He's being drafted at wide receiver 15 in the third round. I personally would not feel cozy with him as my wide receiver one. And so that's kind of the story with Garrett Wilson. I think, you know, it's just really hard to trust an erratic passer on a team you don't believe will win a lot of games. Fields is not going to put up 300 a game. Right. He's not going to have the pass attempts that make you super excited. We, this is the quarterback that was part of the difficult start of the year for George Pickens, who you guys love, who you believe and in part you love because you trust Dak Prescott. So you know Pickens, that is the negative case for Fields. We saw a good year for DJ Moore. So it's not outside the realm of possibilities. But I'm just really worried about how often this team shows up in the red zone, how often Garrett Wilson is able to, you know, find himself in high value situations.

[Jason Moore]

I feel like defenses can put three guys on Garrett Wilson.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, maybe four.

[Jason Moore]

You know, it's like if I'm a defensive coach, I go, man, dude, we got 11, we got 11 players on this side of the ball.

[Mike Wright]

They've got like two maybe like, you know, being hyperbolic, but to actually do that, you have, you have to account for Justin Fields as the runner target just in the defense. So you can't just overload and not have someone making sure that he's not out there running.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the, the over underline on his touchdowns this year is four and a half on Wilson on every sportsbook. So just for where they have that pegged, that's, you know, he can always outperform that. But the two previous years, three and four with bad quarterback play, lower volume. You know, if you get four and a half touchdowns, right, you know, four or five touchdowns, you're probably going to be disappointed. At wide receiver 15.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the, the Garrett Wilson hope is the DJ Moore season from a couple of years ago, but that was not super consistent. But you got huge spike weeks. But if to only get a couple spike weeks for a third round wide receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, this is.

[Mike Wright]

It's tough.

[Andy Holloway]

This is interesting to Kyle pulling up our consistency metrics in the UDK, but Fields, two wide receiver ones. So that was D.J. moore and Pickens. Over their last 17 games with him, they only surpassed 10.5 fantasy points 33% of the time.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, there you go.

[Andy Holloway]

So they're number one. The number one receiver for Fields. That's a D in our consistency rankings and kind of scares me and it makes me sad.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And one of those years was, I mean, what a DJ Moore finish. Like wide receiver six. He had a great finish, but it wasn't. It still wasn't good for fantasy. When you drafted him, you did not at the end of the year go, yay. I drafted the wide receiver six. Because you got it in like three games.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that was it. So, yep, that's my best pick. Garrett Wilson. I'm sorry.

[Mike Wright]

One, two, three, four, six. You got six really good weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Right. Which is still a shockingly bad number for the wide receiver six you would expect. Did he finish at wide receiver six?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, that's. That's crazy.

[Andy Holloway]

That is crazy. Yeah, it was some big plays. Big. I mean, these are good players, right? DJ Moore, Garrett Wilson are superstars. Like, they can absolutely be break a game.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I'll go next and I'll throw out someone that I absolutely love. He is a talented player. He's going to be great.

[Andy Holloway]

Can Mike, can I get a paper bag?

[Jason Moore]

He is being overdrafted. I hate to say it, but Ashton Genty, he's not. He should not be picked.

[Mike Wright]

Where?

[Andy Holloway]

I totally disagree.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, of course. Wait, who has Ashton Genty right now in a league? Yeah. Okay. You know, last year I pointed this out with Marvin Harrison, which hurt because we loved Marvin Harrison, but he was going to the back of the first round. What you have to do to pay off on your draft capital is be phenomenal. You have to. You have to hit metrics that are pretty wild for him and his situation to hit. You ask yourself on all these running backs, like, you know, we've gone through and we've talked about all these guys, can this player be a top five back? Can this player be a top five back? And we asked. I mean, you don't ask the question on like Bijan or Saquon or most of the top five picks, but you have to ask the question, can Ashton Jetty be a top five running back? And you probably answer, well, yeah, I could think, I think he can be.

[Andy Holloway]

That's how I would probably answer.

[Jason Moore]

But he's being drafted as a top five back. It's not like hypothetical. He already is being drafted as a top five back. What does he have to do to pay off on that? ADP? Well, over the last five years a top five running back averaged 339 off opportunities and 15.8 touchdowns. Do we expect Ashton Genty with the Raiders to be anywhere near that? Every single top five back over the last five years except for one, Breeze hall, who had 95 total targets, had double digit touchdowns. So he basically has to get double digit touchdowns because of where he's being drafted. You know, we look for certain checkboxes in fantasy volume. Yeah, he's got that. He was drafted great. He's got the talent. That's great. He could pass catch. That's great. Is he on a winning team? Probably not. They're in a very tough division. They're projected for six or six and a half wins depending on which sports book you're looking at. Over the last eight years, we looked at every team with a preseason win total of six or fewer. Okay, there's 33 different teams. What did their running backs produce for fantasy overall? 21st in total running back fantasy points, 27th in total running back rushing yardage. Only one player finished in the top five at the position. That was 2017, Todd Gurley. Thanks to 19 touchdowns and some really surprising coach named Sean McVeigh. You know, he's this young little kid that nobody had ever heard of. I think we know what Pete Carroll is. He's the, you know, I like Pete Carroll. I've talked him up as a good coach. I think it was a good hire. But he's, you know, he's not very old. He's very old and he's not going to surprise us with some crazy offense. And if you look at the look the Raiders needed Ash and Genti. Their, their running game was awful. But it wasn't just like, hey, they weren't good. They were, they were the lowest expected points added per rush of any team for the last five years. Ashton Genti is great, but he is in a situation where you do not expect them to, to be a 10 win team. You do not expect them to be scoring a ton of points, to have double digit rushing touchdowns. And he's being drafted right now as the running back five. It's just Two.

[Andy Holloway]

Sorry, go ahead.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, more than likely there's a good easy path for him to be great and finish outside the top 10. If that happens, he's a flat out bust.

[Andy Holloway]

Josh Jacobs is good, right?

[Jason Moore]

Josh Jacobs is very good.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's 3.8 a carry there. Last time he was in Las Vegas.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Also, Josh Jacobs being drafted well behind Ash and Genti as a workhorse back on a great offense.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know. One of those seems like a smarter pick to me.

[Andy Holloway]

So this time of year is when Jason just steps on the hopes and dreams of the young superstar.

[Jason Moore]

Sometimes it's too easy. Like this is like, I don't think we should be shocked when it doesn't work. And it's not because Ashen Genti is bad. He's just all, yeah, it's all market. He's being overdrafted. And honestly, there's a lot of question marks once you get past the other, you know, the other five running backs, in my opinion. And that's where I'd be looking at wide receiver at that little middle to back end of the first round.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we'll take a break and come back with Mike's pick. And I think I need to hear from Mike because I was starting to maybe go the other way.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I know what you mean.

[Andy Holloway]

It's hard to do. All right, it is time for Mike to lay out his BUST Pick for 20, 25 on this show today. And I. It frightens me, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

It's terrifying.

[Andy Holloway]

Live in Daylight Zone.

[Mike Wright]

It is terrifying because my bus pick this year, it's Patrick Mahomes, superstar quarterback of the Kansas City Chiefs. And we're answering year nine. He's about to be 30 years old. And Andy, I think what you're referring to before the break of maybe like, oh, maybe things are going to be okay for Kansas City because they. Mahomes has looked good.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, yeah, and big plays, you know, Taekwondo Thornton down the field.

[Mike Wright]

But oh, man, he can turn.

[Andy Holloway]

He can turn any mediocre speedster into a star.

[Mike Wright]

He can.

[Andy Holloway]

But Justin Watson, McCall Hardman, well, that's what I'm saying. Sky Moore is not in that level.

[Mike Wright]

But I think that's what's funny about that is like, I mean, that's the MVs, the VAL, this scantling was on this team and we thought, oh, and maybe it can work out. Patrick Mahomes is kind of right now in drafts, he is the consolation quarterback. If you don't get the big four, Alan, Lamar, Jaden and Jalen Hertz. And then Joe Burrow is next. He, I think, you know, ADP wise, he's in his own little tier. And then if you don't get one of those five, then it's Patrick Mahomes. And it makes total sense of. Mahomes previously was a fantasy football superstar, but here is what has happened to Patrick Mahomes. Last year he did not finish in the top 12 until week nine. Patrick Mahomes would have been a top three quarterback pick last year. He posted career lows in yards, yards per attempt and touchdown rate. Because the Chiefs have changed who they are as a football team. They're winning with defense and ball control. Kansas City has declined in average depth of target every single gear since Patrick Mahomes has become a starter. When he took over the job, we're at 9.1. This is incredible. Eight and a half. Oh, and we just keep dipping, keep dipping. And then we're just. We're down to 6.4. He is. Last year was one of six quarterbacks with more than 90% of their attempts behind the line of scrimmage.

[Andy Holloway]

To me, to me, Mahomes. Let me just interrupt because I want to ask a question because I already know how bad he's been.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

I know how bad he's been for two years for fantasy. I just need to know that he's going to be bad again because there's. With Mahomes, if they want to flip a certain switch, if they want to install a different software, he's the best in the league. He could do it tomorrow.

[Mike Wright]

That's why this is a terrifying pick.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I would answer the question with a question. Is their defense going to be elite? Because if their defense is great, which it's been the last couple of years, I don't think they're going to flip that switch.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Yeah. So I mean that, that could be true.

[Mike Wright]

And it comes down to you, like with the.

[Andy Holloway]

And that cost, the draft cost is in the gross spot, right. He's a fifth round pick. You've got five guys that you love at the top. You've got probably 10 guys you love at the back of the draft.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And here's Patrick Mahomes where you make basically a lifetime commitment to him in the fifth round.

[Jason Moore]

If there are players I would take. If they both cost a dollar in an auction draft. Like I would rather have Dak Prescott personally than Patrick Mahomes for fantasy. And that's regardless of draft cost. It.

[Mike Wright]

Wow. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

And. And you're telling me I got to spend a Fifth. I didn't, I thought, I thought Mahomes.

[Mike Wright]

Was lower than that. And the fifth round is just ADP wise. It so juicy right now. Travion Henderson, RJ Harvey, Tede Rowa, McMillan, Jameson Williams, George Pickens. Like there are guys right in that range that I really, really want to get on my team. And I feel like I'm just settling for Patrick Mahomes because of, you know, three years ago. If he hits what he hit three years ago in the fifth round, he's probably the best pick in fantasy football. But that's a, that's a big, big question.

[Andy Holloway]

I wanted to look at Brady because, you know, what are the last two years in fantasy finish for Mahomes? Do you have those in front of you?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Let me. He was the wide receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

11. He plays wide.

[Jason Moore]

No, he was not.

[Mike Wright]

He was the quarterback. 11 and 8, but both of those were at 17 and a half and 17.6 points per game.

[Andy Holloway]

I, you know, Brady not difference. Brady did this. And this is not me arguing for Mahomes. I'm just saying it's like Brady would have a year at 14, a year at 12, a year at 8, then a year at 3, he'd have a year at 13, a year at 9, then a year at 2. And it was like, you know, he's capable of it.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Any, any time. And yet the better decision for your team is probably if you had to start a guy every single week. I'd rather start Jared Goff.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And then the question, like, you spend the fifth on Mahomes, how many games, how many games do you play where you're like, oh, I think it's going to turn around.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the biggest problem.

[Mike Wright]

You just keep playing him over and over and suddenly you're. What if you're four weeks in over.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

You go through the face like week. It took till week nine to get a top 12 performance from him last year. If you're waiting four or five weeks, I mean, it will be devastating to just keep starting him over and over. He could, they could flip the switch and they say, we want to pile on the stats for Patrick Mahomes. But that's, it's, it's a dangerous proposition.

[Andy Holloway]

How many games in a row convince you that you're wrong?

[Mike Wright]

That's what I'm asking.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Andy Holloway]

He's like, I'm asking you answer me.

[Mike Wright]

I will answer. I'm saying to the point of you.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, how many would you believe? I'm saying, like, you don't draft him, but he's out there and you say.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that he's back.

[Jason Moore]

If he has the great Week one, do you believe. Does it take five weeks? How many? I'm just curious to where we go. Oh, okay. They are throwing it deep. They are going to open it up. I'm in on Patrick Mahomes.

[Mike Wright]

Probably two.

[Jason Moore]

Two.

[Mike Wright]

Probably two. But now here we have another caveat. When is Rasheed Rice going to get suspended?

[Andy Holloway]

Like every other game?

[Jason Moore]

Seems like for two years. Seems like after week four, that would.

[Andy Holloway]

Be the dopest suspension ever. You got eight games every other.

[Jason Moore]

What if the.

[Andy Holloway]

We want you. Your team messed up.

[Jason Moore]

What if you could pick, like, if the suspension. Oh, you could pick whatever games you need to miss. Eight games a season.

[Andy Holloway]

Whenever you want.

[Jason Moore]

Whenever you want.

[Andy Holloway]

And that's funny.

[Jason Moore]

Do you backload them in case you get injured?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, no. You're picking out some dude. It's an insult to the other team.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Every time they're like a suspension game.

[Andy Holloway]

On this one, Caroline's like, okay, all right. That's bulletin board material every week.

[Mike Wright]

So say Patrick Mahomes goes out, has four nuclear games to start.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And then Rice is gone.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, right. That's mixed in. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So do you. Does everything just completely drop off? Does he keep being Mahomes?

[Jason Moore]

Ironically, he had Rice to start last year and, you know, the first three weeks and he was the quarterback. 13, 14, 15.

[Mike Wright]

So I just. He is at a point.

[Andy Holloway]

They play the Chargers week one on the road, then Philly. Those are the first two weeks. Then you go on the road against the Giants. That's a terrible defense to play. Then Baltimore, terrible defense to play. First four weeks favored, but real tough games.

[Mike Wright]

He had been this player where I just. I always. I always skip over him in drafts and it just. It got to the point where. Okay, well, I guess I just have to verbalize it because I don't want to draft him.

[Andy Holloway]

And here you are verbalizing.

[Mike Wright]

So look, fade Patrick Mahomes at your.

[Andy Holloway]

Own peril, but blame Mike if it goes.

[Mike Wright]

It's what I'm doing this year really.

[Andy Holloway]

Well for him, you know, it makes sense. So what are some of the other picks that we have here from the Foot Clan? We've got Devon A Chan as a popular answer on the footclan discord.

[Jason Moore]

It makes sense with the current injury.

[Andy Holloway]

It doesn't. The vibes are bad right now, but could still be very good for me.

[Jason Moore]

Half for a speedy running back are not an injury I want.

[Andy Holloway]

Apparently Garrett Wilson and Ashton Genti Are two of the top five on the Discord. Makes sense. Saquon and Tyreek are the other two names.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Tyreek makes a lot of sense. He's going to be a Boomer bust pick this year, but he's being drafted. At least with Tyreek, like, he's not being drafted. Saquon's being drafted. Like, he's going to be the running back one again, obviously, because Saquon, yeah, he didn't look bad last year.

[Mike Wright]

The only thing that can stop Saquon is getting hurt. And, you know, the numbers of the workload from last year going to this year, they aren't great. But he is Saquon Barkley. Some guys are just different.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, you, you, you nailed it. The only thing that stops Saquon Barkley is injured. He hasn't lost anything. He's not in a situation where he could go out there and be bad. But Tyree Kill could be done.

[Mike Wright]

That. Yes, that is very possible.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you catch Malik Washington doing some work in the preseason game?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he. Yeah, he's a. He is a nasty boy.

[Andy Holloway]

You just kind of. You could see things working out where he. I mean, he's a shifty dude. I mean, he can.

[Mike Wright]

I love Malik.

[Andy Holloway]

He can make plays. And you don't have Johnny, so I don't know what Darren Waller is. Tyreek Hill could be, like, already prepping for the, you know, for his boat to go out onto the ocean and leave this team. I. Malik Washington's a little bit one of those, like, sneaky dudes at the end of drafts.

[Jason Moore]

I still think Jalen Waddle can be a very good post type sleeper.

[Andy Holloway]

He could be the number one on that team for sure. I. I think you're kind of getting to this point now where this is one of the reasons why you should mark players off in the udk. There's just some names that you should pay attention to that are not going to move up at all in ADP and catch your eye. So you need to mark them. Like, for me, some names are Keon Coleman.

[Jason Moore]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We got undrafted gems tomorrow. You sure you want to get them all out there? Now? You decide what other names you got.

[Andy Holloway]

I was on a roll. I was on a roll.

[Jason Moore]

All right, who else you got?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I'll do ones we've talked about. How about Ali Gordon? Yeah, he's not going to be anywhere in adp, but you could throw him on the end of your bench. He may start week one.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

He's. He is A priority late round draft.

[Andy Holloway]

And another one I already mentioned, I.O. manor in Tennessee. Who made plays again. EPIC I.O. manor.

[Mike Wright]

Hopefully.

[Andy Holloway]

None of that sounds like a name. You know what I mean?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Like none of the name sounds like a name.

[Jason Moore]

If you say Epic Aisle Manor, I'm like, what? What are you trying to tell me right now?

[Andy Holloway]

You're not like you're talking about a person. No. Pat Bryant. You know, there's one more. Okay, I'll shut up now. Head over to megalobol.com join us in the 2025 Megalobol. If you'd like, you can learn about the leagues and how to get in there. The drafting days. When are the, when's the first drafting day starting, Jason? Do you know the answer to that? Because I believe it is on Saturday. Yes, Saturday. Saturday. There's a couple of drafts Sunday, a couple of drafts Monday, a couple Tuesday and then Wednesday. So get over there. Get placed in a league. Megalobol.com and if you have drafts coming up. I was actually a little surprised. Did you guys see the poll I threw up on Twitter.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that drafts have.

[Andy Holloway]

A lot of drafts have not happened. Not happened like historically. Maybe we're getting smarter as a people.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, we should. We should push drafts back to at least this coming weekend where all the preseason is over. Most of the injuries are going to be fully out of the way. Clarity has been had. It's just tough because once you hit August, you just itch for it and you want to draft so bad. I mean, but this coming weekend is the best weekend to draft.

[Andy Holloway]

17% of people on Saturday had already done their draft. 26% had it this past weekend. And 57% are sometime in the future, which is what we're doing. We're Labor Day.

[Jason Moore]

And you. And you labeled that with their like their most important draft.

[Andy Holloway]

I did. I said, when is your main league draft? That's a good point. A lot of us have lots of drafts. We have three slow drafts going right now.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, sir.

[Andy Holloway]

I do like the slow draft.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah. For not your main league, for these extra leagues that you're in. That's the way to do it.

[Andy Holloway]

I just feel like every fifth time I'm on the clock, though, sleeper forgets to notify me. I don't, I don't know why that happens.

[Jason Moore]

Pay attention.

[Andy Holloway]

Bold predictions episodes coming up. The Fantasy Time Machine, Undrafted gems, the Fantasy MVP episode with some special guests on that show coming this week. And pick up the ultimate draft Kit if you haven't drafted. Ultimate draftkit.com that'll do it. Thank you for joining us one and all. Catch you tomorrow.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye, everybody.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Join our fantasy football community on JoinTheFoot.com and follow us on Twitter the FFballers.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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