Buy or Sell + Knuckle Cracking Questions - Fantasy Football Podcast

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary
Episode: Buy or Sell + Knuckle Cracking Questions
Release Date: June 4, 2020

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Introduction

Fantasy Footballers kicked off the episode with their characteristic banter, setting a lively tone for the discussions ahead. Hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright dive straight into the content, bypassing lengthy intros to deliver actionable fantasy football insights.

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Buy or Sell Segment

Leonard Fournette: Buy or Sell as a Top 20 RB?
Timestamp: 03:40 - 09:16

The segment opens with a critical analysis of Leonard Fournette's value as a top 20 fantasy running back for the 2020 season. The hosts express skepticism about Fournette's consistency and team dynamics in Jacksonville.

• Jason Moore highlights the uncertainty around Fournette's usage:

  “...he is going to be one of those flag planting players where many of your league will just be out.”
  (04:23)

• Andy Holloway emphasizes the regression expected in Fournette’s touchdown production:

  “...he would have been a top running back last year with that target volume. But I do not see him as a top 20 back this year.”
  (04:47)

• Kenyon Drake adds concerns about Jacksonville's overall team performance:

  “...they have a defense that is a shadow of the past... it's debt. It's scary.”
  (06:08)

Despite the reservations, Andy Holloway ultimately decides to buy Fournette as a running back 18, acknowledging the potential upside but cautioning about the risks:

“...I am buying, but obviously not with, like, a heart full of hope.”
(08:54)

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Mailbag: Listener Questions and Discussions

1. Dynasty Rookie Drafts: Snake vs. Linear Order

Timestamp: 10:03 - 17:22

Lou from Charlotte inquires about the optimal draft order for dynasty rookie drafts. The hosts advocate for a linear (non-snake) draft beyond the startup year to maintain fairness and competitive balance.

• Andy Holloway explains the rationale:

  “...if you finished in last place, you would get the first pick in each rookie round.”
  (10:03)

2. Impact of a Shortened Offseason on Player Rankings

Timestamp: 17:22 - 28:05

The discussion centers on how the lack of a traditional offseason affects player evaluations, particularly rookies and those returning from injuries.

• Jason Moore notes the challenges rookies face in adjusting to NFL game speed:

  “...those are the players who really need to get in there, learn the system...”
  (11:45)

3. Dynasty Trade: Adam Thielen vs. J.K. Dobbins

Timestamp: 28:05 - 35:23

A viewer asks whether to trade Adam Thielen for J.K. Dobbins in a dynasty league. The consensus leans towards prioritizing youth and future potential with Dobbins, especially for non-immediate contention teams.

• Andy Holloway shares his strategy based on team competitiveness:

  “...if I am a contender right now in need of maybe wide receiver help... I would trade J.K. Dobbins for Adam Thielen.”
  (13:39)

• Jason Moore emphasizes the long-term value of Dobbins:

  “...next year it's going to be J.K. Dobbins as the main runner...”
  (14:48)

4. Free Agent Acquisition Budget (FAAB) Settings

Timestamp: 35:23 - 46:08

Jace asks whether to adjust the FAAB from $150 to $200 or lower it to $100. The hosts discuss the flexibility of FAAB and its impact on waiver strategies.

• Andy Holloway highlights the strategic depth FAAB adds:

  “...it adds a new element of strategy... and adds fairness and adds a bunch of fun.”
  (16:08)

5. Cam Akers’ Potential as a Top 15 RB

Timestamp: 46:08 - 56:08

ATM1523 questions whether Cam Akers can break into the top 15 running backs, assessing his floor and ceiling.

• Jason Moore envisions Akers as a potential RB1 if he secures a leading role:

  “...there's a world where Cam Akers is the best rookie running back of this season...”
  (21:11)

• Andy Holloway sets realistic expectations:

  “...the odds on highest probability is that he is a solid to low end RB2...”
  (22:08)

6. Drafting Jared Cook vs. Noah Fant in PPR Leagues

Timestamp: 56:08 - 65:31

Colton seeks advice on whether to draft Jared Cook or Noah Fant in a PPR format. The hosts recommend Jared Cook due to his touchdown potential and involvement in the offense.

• Andy Holloway states:

  “...by the end of the year, the touchdowns are going to be more on the Jared Cook side.”
  (23:40)

7. Dynasty Half-Point: Terry McLaurin vs. Mark Andrews

Timestamp: 65:31 - 82:37

A dynasty league member debates choosing between Terry McLaurin and Mark Andrews for a half-point PPR format. The discussion underscores the value of Andrews as a tight end versus McLaurin’s versatility.

• Kenn Holloway prefers Terry McLaurin for his young age and potential:

  “...I will take Terry McLaurin over Mark Andrews because I think I can piece together...”
  (24:41)

• Jason Moore leans towards keeping Andrews for his positional scarcity:

  “...Mark Andrews, like you said, he's the difference maker out of position in a dynasty league.”
  (26:36)

8. Dropping Gus Edwards or Justice Hill in Dynasty

Timestamp: 82:37 - 93:12

Gus Busanuski questions whether to drop Gus Edwards or Justice Hill. The hosts advise against dropping them, considering their potential as valuable assets if injuries occur.

• Andy Holloway emphasizes holding onto running backs due to their unpredictable value:

  “...they run the ball so much, it's really hard to just completely give up on those guys.”
  (33:33)

9. Drafting Justin Jefferson vs. Jerry Jeudy

Timestamp: 93:12 - 101:43

Joseph Flanagan asks if it’s advisable to draft Justin Jefferson over Jerry Jeudy. The hosts favor Jerry Jeudy based on his better team situation and immediate impact potential.

• Andy Holloway explains:

  “...I would take Jerry Jeudy because of the talent, but the situation is far better for a very good Justin Jefferson.”
  (37:16)

10. Starting Players: Kareem Hunt with Dalvin Cook

Timestamp: 101:43 - 117:08

Stephen explores whether to start both Kareem Hunt and Dalvin Cook when drafting a first-rounder like Christian McCaffrey or Tony Pollard. The consensus is to avoid starting both to maximize roster flexibility and potential points.

• Jason Moore advises against holding both:

  “...you're limiting your upside doing that...”
  (37:08)

11. Wide Receiver Preference: Robert Woods vs. Calvin Ridley

Timestamp: 117:08 - 129:47

A listener asks whether to prefer Robert Woods or Calvin Ridley as a second wide receiver on the roster. Both Andy Holloway and Kenyon Drake opt for Robert Woods due to his consistent target volume and reliability.

• Andy Holloway states:

  “...Robert Woods is very, very safe to me.”
  (38:57)

12. Drafting Kerryon Johnson

Timestamp: 129:47 - 151:43

Garrett Johnston inquires about taking a chance on Kerryon Johnson in the draft. The hosts express hesitancy due to his uncertain role and team situation.

• Andy Holloway refrains from endorsing Johnson, citing his inconsistent usage:

  “...I actually don't want the lead dog if I think the lead dog is Swift.”
  (40:31)

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Knuckle Cracking Questions

Throughout the episode, the hosts intermittently engage in light-hearted "knuckle cracking" moments, adding humor and camaraderie to the discussions. These segments, while brief, contribute to the podcast's engaging and entertaining atmosphere.

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Conclusion

Wrapping up the episode, the Fantasy Footballers reinforce their commitment to providing high-quality analysis and actionable advice. They encourage listeners to engage via social media and participate in ongoing giveaways, ensuring the community remains vibrant and interactive.

• Kenyon Drake concludes:

  “...thank you for tuning in, supporting the podcast. We’ll be back with you on Tuesday next week.”
  (47:42)

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Notable Quotes

• Jason Moore on Leonard Fournette’s potential risk:

  “If you are wrong about this, you will look the fool.”
  (03:52)

• Andy Holloway on FAAB’s strategic depth:

  “It adds a new element of strategy to the game of adding players off the waiver wire.”
  (16:08)

• Andy Holloway on dynasty rookie drafts:

  “...you want snake a startup, but year in and year out... linear draft.”
  (10:03)

• Kenyon Drake on Robert Woods’ consistency:

  “...he's getting all the work, getting all the goal line carries.”
  (34:10)

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Final Thoughts

This episode of The Fantasy Footballers delivers a comprehensive exploration of key fantasy football strategies, player evaluations, and dynasty league management. Whether you're a seasoned manager or new to fantasy football, the hosts' insightful discussions and practical advice are invaluable for navigating the complexities of the game.

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Transcript

[Kenyon Drake]

Hey, this is Kenyon Drake. You're listening to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Kenyon Drake]

Welcome in.

[Jason Moore]

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[Kenyon Drake]

One of the channels your kids watch.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So you gave me.

[Kenyon Drake]

I'll be filing flashbacks. I'll be filing a formal copyright infringement against that channel. Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

Excuse me, sir. I am the one who extends the.

[Kenyon Drake]

Words a little longer and louder.

[Jason Moore]

You may use whoa.

[Kenyon Drake]

But if you venture into a welcome, if you.

[Jason Moore]

There's any Oz, sir, you will hear from my representation, my attorney.

[Kenyon Drake]

Thursday, June 4th. Andy, Mike and Jason, the Fantasy Footballers, back with you. Got some buy or sell on the show today. Going to be answering some questions, getting you ready to go.

[Andy Holloway]

We're here, man.

[Kenyon Drake]

We're in June.

[Andy Holloway]

We're at the place in time where, you know, people are. People are doing mock drafts. The UDK is up. The football is fewer than 100 days away.

[Kenyon Drake]

That is actually the first time I've thought about it like that. That is wild.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I can't believe.

[Kenyon Drake]

Jason is excited. You can follow the show on twitter@the ffballers YouTube.com the fantasy footballers. Subscribe. Click the bell. Check us out on Instagram. We do have a giveaway right now giving away a signed Devonte Adams jersey. Footclangiveaway.com if you want to enter over there. And as Jason said, the ultimate draft kit is up. It's available. People are in there, they're using it, they're finding the very occasional teeny tiny bug every once in a while, which.

[Andy Holloway]

We thank you for reporting.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yeah, big news. I think we had Mark Andrews age, so that is being fixed.

[Jason Moore]

Did we? Or is Mark Andrews just older than we all think he is?

[Kenyon Drake]

Maybe we know better.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what I'm going to stick with.

[Kenyon Drake]

Ultimatedraftkit.com and as a reminder, a dollar from every UDK is going to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital once again this year. It's a partnership that we were able to build last year with the. We had the live tour, the UDK continuing it in the UDK this year as well. One bit of housekeeping. We are off next Monday, which means we will not be recording the Tuesday show ahead of time to get it out super early in the morning. This is kind of our makeup off day for the office because with the UDK releasing, we worked straight through Memorial Day, Memorial Day. So this is our makeup day. And so the show will be out a couple hours later on Tuesday. But you'll be all right.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't worry. The Spitballers podcast will be up on time on Monday. So you just listen to that.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yeah. Yeah. Genius. All right, you guys want to do some buy, Sell?

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. Buy or sell? Presented by Pristine Auction.

[Kenyon Drake]

All right. Buy or sell. Leonard Fournette as a top 20 fantasy running back in 2020. I was reading the question. I saw in my peripheral vision Mike shaking his head.

[Jason Moore]

I'm just shaking my head that this, this is a really hard question. And this player in particular is going to be one of those flag planting players where many of your league will just be out. And like where I stand right now, I feel like I'm out of drafting him at any sort of high value round in my fantasy draft. But I like I'm saying that knowing I could be very, very wrong about this. And if you are wrong about this, you will look the fool.

[Andy Holloway]

When is the last time that an NFL top 10 draft pick running back who's coming off of a thousand rushing yards and 100 targets is unwanted in fantasy football? And then. But that's what I mean, that's what it is now for me to answer this question. Coming into this season, I saw him post draft, you know, pretty much it seemed like a lock that he was.

[Jason Moore]

Also talking about Leonard Fournette. I don't know if we not named.

[Kenyon Drake]

I did. I said it.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yeah, I said it.

[Andy Holloway]

So, you know, he was a guy that I think had touchdown positive touchdown regression coming. Right? He had, you know, almost 1200 yards and three rushing touchdowns. That's anomalous. That's not something that you expect. You know, let's say he gets six touchdowns, which is a very mild number for someone with that kind of rushing volume. He would have been a top running back last year with that target volume. But I do not see him as a top 20 back this year. And my rationale for that is one that I fear because it's on the back of Chris Thompson that I'm afraid the hundred targets for Leonard Fournette were what made him valuable for, for fantasy. And you know, we know how much more valuable a target is than a, than a carry for running backs in general. But then Chris Thompson is always injured. So me banking on Chris Thompson coming in reunited with Jay Gruden to a role that was vacated when TJ Yelden left Leonard Fournette, that's not his specialty. That's not his skill set. So I've got Leonard Fournette going down to 55 receptions or, I'm sorry, targets. Oh, and I've got Chris Thompson eating in. But then if Chris Thompson gets injured, Leonard Fournette will be a stud. And Chris Thompson always gets injured.

[Kenyon Drake]

It's complicated in Jacksonville.

[Jason Moore]

It's not just Chris Thompson.

[Kenyon Drake]

For me. It's complicated. Narrative, street, whatever you want to call it. By the way, Fournette is the 24th overall player off the board right now. Makes him the running back. 15 off the board.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Kenyon Drake]

But it's complicated because you spent the entire offseason with the. Leonard Fournette could be cut. Leonard Fournette could be traded. Leonard Fournette could be replaced in the draft. Leonard Fournette could be marginalized due to Chris Thompson and the maturation of maybe somebody behind him.

[Jason Moore]

Whatever. He's just like, yoo hoo.

[Kenyon Drake]

He's just hanging out.

[Jason Moore]

Guess who's still here.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yeah. And the only reason, I mean, the reason he was so prolific last year was what you said, catching the ball. I also think Jacksonville is not going to be a great team. They're not going to be ahead in a lot of games. They're not going to. They have a. Their defense is a shadow of the past. And if Fournette, you know, you say the positive touchdown regression. Well, okay. I know there's some optimism about Gardner, but it's far from a guarantee. It's a tough division. This is one of the teams that I think might be at the bottom and not playing with the lead. And if they're not playing with the lead and he's not the pass catcher, anymore trouble. It's debt. It's scary. And so it's more. Do you want to dance with the devil in the pale moonlight? That's how it feels coming into the year. He was an injury concern as well. Now, obviously he held up last year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And for all those reasons, there's so many red flags. So this is. Feels like a really high risk player to draft, especially if he's going as the 24th player off the board.

[Andy Holloway]

Risky. But your.

[Jason Moore]

Your reward is if Leonard Fournette keeps his job. Let me put it this way. If he fully keeps his job and Chris Thompson eats into his work. Leonard Fournette is still a top 15 running back.

[Kenyon Drake]

I would agree with that because he had A. He's 25 years old, 24 years old. He had a great year last year. And he has. He's a good runner.

[Andy Holloway]

And the depth chart there is One where, you know, unless they go out and sign someone new, Raikwell Armstead is not a scary backup. It's. It's going to be Leonard Fournette getting the ball, you know, a ton of time. So, yeah, I mean, the volume should be there, but if he loses the pass catching, I. I don't think he's a guarantee for a top 15 back.

[Jason Moore]

He would. He'll be somebody. I'm watching over the offseason that I don't have him ranked very high right now. I have him in my mid-20s. So if I'm playing in a best ball, I'm just. I'm not taking that risk. But as we get closer to the season, if nothing has happened, then Leonard Fournette will change. He will go up in the rankings.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yeah, I'm going to lower my projections, though, if he is cut.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Jason Moore]

All right. All right.

[Andy Holloway]

And that's the kind of great analysis you're going to get in the ultimate draft kit, you know, is that, you know, if he's cut, we're going to say he's not going to have as many stats. Yeah, that's what we would do.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yeah. As many stats.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Kenyon Drake]

He's a. He's a guy I'm willing to be wrong about this year, I think. Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

And I have to correct myself here. I am technically a bite. He is my running back. 18. I thought he was below running back 20. So to answer the question, I am buying, but obviously not with, like, a heart full of hope.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yeah, you're buying. On this question, you're slightly below adp.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Kenyon Drake]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Kenyon Drake]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

I don't. I don't know, man. I never know what's gonna come out.

[Kenyon Drake]

No, we don't either. And that's what makes it exciting and fun. You can visit the website, the fantasy footballers.com. click the submit a question button if you have a question you want to send our way. Anything you got, we're willing to answer. Redraft Auction. Dynasty, Commissioner.

[Andy Holloway]

Life.

[Kenyon Drake]

Life questions. That's our specialty.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Kenyon Drake]

302464. TFFB is the voicemail hotline. Let's start there. Hey, ballers.

[Andy Holloway]

Lou from Charlotte. I have a Dynasty question for you guys. Is every year's rookie draft, should it be snake or regular descending order? What do you think rookie drafts in a dynasty should be? Non snake linear. In a startup, when you don't know, there's no reason. There's no difference between every owner. You want to even that out as much as possible. So you do want to snake a startup, but year in and year out from that point forward you're trying. You know those rosters are locked, you know who you draft and the teams that stink at the teams that are great are going to have a multiple year run that way. And so I would suggest you try to do what's in the best interest of keeping the league even, which means a linear draft. If you finished in last place, you would get the first pick in each rookie round.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yep. I've never participated in any dynasty rookie draft that was Snake, for what it's worth. Scott Brooks Question has the lack of an off season affected how you rank players for this coming season? It's a great question. It's been a strange year. It's been a strange off season. It will continue to be. I think the answer is yes. Specific to, you know, rookies, we've talked about Justin Herbert, the opportunity to come in and compete for the job, maybe, you know, less likely that a player like that can come in and take over from day one.

[Jason Moore]

That's who it affects the most to me is rookies because those are the players who really need to get in there, learn the system, try and get up to something of NFL game speed.

[Kenyon Drake]

Does it affect your view of players returning from injury like a big Ben coming back after a year, you know, players coming back, trying to build a new rapport? I mean he has different wide receivers than he had the last time he left.

[Jason Moore]

Sure. It's certainly a fair question. I mean he's. At least it looks like anyways, because we've seen a video and heard a couple things on Twitter that he's out there practicing with some of his wide receivers. So it's not like they are getting no work. But as of now, it hasn't, it hasn't changed a lot for me because I'm usually out on rookie wide receivers for redraft anyways. It just kind of pushes me even further that direction right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, you know, it enters my mind when I rank, but I don't know that it's actually changed anything because we would guess, okay, rookies or veterans changing teams, you know, learning and anybody learning a new playbook. But then, you know, you have that every year. Tom Brady perfect Example, you could say, well, we got to change this. He doesn't have the same long off season. But we just, we don't know how it's going to affect. So for the most part it hasn't factored into much. Much of my rankings could be interesting.

[Kenyon Drake]

With new head coaches, Matt Rule in Carolina implementing a new system. We just don't know right now how much camp time, preseason time, any of that stuff these, these teams are going to have.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'd rather base my rankings off of things that we know are historically accurate versus speculation that there might be trouble in situation X, Y or Z. I agree.

[Kenyon Drake]

Twitter question at King Bean says Dynasty trade Adam Thielen or JK or for JK Dobbins.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, this is a tough one.

[Andy Holloway]

The known for the unknown, the old.

[Kenyon Drake]

For the young, the relevant now versus the relevant later. Probably.

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely. And I think that to me answers this question. It's, you know, it's not a trade. This is completely team dependent and I know sometimes that's a fluffy answer. But the reality here is I would trade J.K. dobbins for Adam Thielen if I am a contender right now in need of maybe wide receiver help and I can go out and try to win a championship this year. And if I'm not really contending and I need to look for the future, I would trade Adam Thielen for JK Dobbins in a heartbeat.

[Jason Moore]

I would say if I have Dobbins, I'm probably not trading for Thielen. I think I can get a younger wide receiver, a better out of. Thielen is great, but he's going to be 30 when the year starts. His contract situation, he's, he's about to be past the, the very big commitment from the team. Like they could choose to move on in a year or two years. Just looking at his dead cap situation and I am all in, all in on J.K. dobbins next year. He might take the job this year.

[Andy Holloway]

I doubt it.

[Jason Moore]

I think Ingram still has.

[Kenyon Drake]

I doubt it as well, but I.

[Jason Moore]

Next year it's going to be J.K. dobbins as the, as the main runner for, for the Baltimore Ravens. That's how I'm going to project it. And he is going to be amazing for fantasy football.

[Kenyon Drake]

There is still the chance that Ingram's back though, next year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Kenyon Drake]

So there is, there's not a guaranteed path for like I'm with you, Mike. I think it's a very, you know, this year. No, probably not a great every week start.

[Jason Moore]

And Mark Ingram Just to clarify, Mark Ingram will turn 31 in December.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yes. So it, he was super productive for them. I'm just saying if they're, if they're a Super bowl contending team. Ingram still under contract. Now they, they could get out of it, but he's still under contract for 2021 is all I'm saying. So there is a path where you make that decision and you are in a Derek Henry situation where you're three years out. So you know, well.

[Andy Holloway]

So to answer the question, not just team specific, you're in a dynasty startup draft.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yeah, I think I'll take. I'll take Thielen. I'll take.

[Jason Moore]

I would take Dobbins.

[Andy Holloway]

I think I would take Dobbins in a startup as well.

[Kenyon Drake]

Okay, Twitter question from Jace Redraft league question here. So last year we used $150 worth of fab. Do you think we should raise it to 200 or lower it to 100?

[Andy Holloway]

It makes absolutely.

[Kenyon Drake]

I've got an idea. Raise it to 15,000.

[Andy Holloway]

You get to spend so much money. This is the only relevant answer possible. And it's very minutely relevant. If you go to $100. It is easy to extrapolate percentage based advice. So if we say, you know you want, I would pay 10% of my budget. Well, there you go. It's $10. We do $100 fab budget in our leagues. But it really is inconsequential and does not matter. It can be any number you would like.

[Kenyon Drake]

Do you know what 10% of 150 is?

[Andy Holloway]

15. I did it.

[Kenyon Drake]

It might be a good time. I mean, this is the off season shows. I don't want to throw that out there without considering newer players, new listeners. Maybe talk for a moment about what fab is. Maybe you've played in a league and all you do is you say, what in the world are they talking about? We normally have rolling waivers every week. When the waivers come out, it's just whatever team is in last place gets first dibs on the waiver list.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So a quick summary. Is the fab or free agent acquisition budget or as some out there called fob.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Ridiculous people.

[Andy Holloway]

Ridiculous.

[Jason Moore]

Jj, I'm talking to you.

[Kenyon Drake]

They drive sobs.

[Jason Moore]

It's. It's a system for how you handle the waivers. Adding player, adding free agents off of the waiver wire. You can either use the rolling waivers. It's kind of the old school. You're just in an order. You line up in an orderly fashion. If you have the first choice. No one else has a chance to get the first player. But if you give everyone this fab budget, everyone has an equal opportunity, at least at the beginning of the season to go after anyone they want on the waivers. And you can prioritize this budget however you see fit throughout the entire year. And it adds. It adds a new element of strategy to the game of adding players off the waiver wire. And more importantly, to me, it adds fairness and adds a bunch of fun.

[Andy Holloway]

That's. That's it for me. I mean, it's just a far more fun system. You can say whatever you want about fairness and, you know, being better or worse, but there's no. There's no debate that it's more fun to have, you know, all these different blind bidding against blind bidding and, you know, versus just you get him, and then I get my pick. Yeah.

[Kenyon Drake]

For an example, just to throw the $100 budget, let's say we all had $100 budget and McColl Hardman wasn't drafted, and he's sitting out there on waiver wire after week one. We're all privately deciding, maybe I'm saying, oh, I'm willing to spend $15. I bid 15 for McColl Hartman. Jason bids 8. Mike bids $16. When waivers run at that time, every single day when they run, Mike's going to win, and I'm going to cry because I will have been $1 below and he will mock me and it will make my league better.

[Andy Holloway]

Or he bids $88 and he gets them.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And then Harvin doesn't do anything. He's wasted his budget. Also worth knowing. And this is very, I think, obvious to most, but I remember in the very, very beginning being worth. This is a virtual budget. You know, you're not coming out of your pockets.

[Jason Moore]

That's true. You know, look, if you want to go Fiat, I don't care. Yeah, that's your league.

[Andy Holloway]

That's fun in a paid league.

[Kenyon Drake]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Kenyon Drake]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

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[Kenyon Drake]

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[Jason Moore]

Certainly there's a scenario where he's a top 15 running back. We've seen that team and we've seen Sean McVeigh commit to one running back and that when, when Todd Gurley was getting that incredible volume, he was solid for fantasy. Even last year when Todd Gurley wasn't necessarily efficient, the Rams weren't the high flying offense we had seen. Guess who's still good for fantasy. The running back who's on the field all the time getting all the work, getting all the goal line carries. So yes there's, there is a world where Cam Akers is the, is the, the best rookie running back of this season, like even better than Clyde Edwards alert. It's possible. Unlikely is unlikely to me because I see his, I'm projecting him more in a, in a timeshare and possibly a three running back timeshare. Jay, how are you? How did you go about stating Cam Acres?

[Andy Holloway]

So I started him as the leader of this backfield but I did not have the Rams converting the Todd Gurley role in its entirety. So I would say the odds on highest probability is that he is a, you know, a solid to low end RB2 because he's getting enough work. His ceiling.

[Kenyon Drake]

That's your ceiling for him?

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, that's just the highest probability. His ceiling is that that's a pretty.

[Kenyon Drake]

Good spot to be if you think.

[Andy Holloway]

He'S an RB2, takes over the Todd Gurley role and comes in and is utilized in that way. But if he Does. I just want to point out, last year, Todd Gurley's role was still, you know, a very large role, and he finished as the running back 14. And that was with a ton of touchdowns coming his way. So I. I think the ceiling for Cam Acres is not an RB one, but I think his floor is. Is. Is higher than most of the rookie running backs because I do expect him to have the primary job in the backfield, but the offensive line is still bad.

[Kenyon Drake]

Okay. All right. Colton in Alexandria, Michigan says, who should I draft? Jared Kuk. Jared Kuk or Noah fantastic. 2020 season PPR league.

[Jason Moore]

I haven't heard that in a while.

[Kenyon Drake]

Noah fantastic. Yeah. I got to bring it back because he's fantastic. He's on our. I snuck him into our breakout.

[Jason Moore]

You did? We weren't looking.

[Kenyon Drake]

I know, but no, I think the answer here is Jared Cook.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yes. It's Jared Cook. I feel very strongly about this.

[Kenyon Drake]

I agree.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I agree as well. I mean, I do think that in a full ppr, this person said it's PPR league. The opportunity for FANT to have more targets and be more an integral part of the Broncos offense is there, but I would certainly say by the end of the year, the touchdowns are going to be more on the Jared Cook side. So I would lean Jared Cook and I'd take the Saints offense and Drew Brees.

[Jason Moore]

Gotta do your cuking. By the book.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you gotta keep by the book.

[Kenyon Drake]

Jared Cook. 43 receptions last year. No offense, 40 receptions last year. Twitter question at lanky95. Dynasty half point. Terry McLaurin.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Oh, next question.

[Kenyon Drake]

Or Mark Andrews. Dynasty half point. PPR or Mark Andrews.

[Andy Holloway]

That's pretty easy, I think, for me.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, okay.

[Kenyon Drake]

You say that, and yet I do not know which name you are about to.

[Jason Moore]

It's not easy to me.

[Kenyon Drake]

It's not easy for me.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, so this is a dynasty league. You've got these guys for a long time. Both are young. But Terry McLaurin to me is. You know, I would take the Terry McLaurin side if I could. Trademark Andrews for Terry McLaurin. I would do that because I think I can piece together.

[Kenyon Drake]

Well, you trade Mark Andrews for John Ross. I mean, you'd let go of Mark Andrews at a moment's notice.

[Andy Holloway]

You're a dirty, dirty person for bringing that up, Andy. That was years ago. And yes, I traded year.

[Jason Moore]

I have year ago.

[Andy Holloway]

It was.

[Kenyon Drake]

The moral of the story is that I have Mark Andrews and you have John Ross.

[Andy Holloway]

That is correct. Well, let me ask you this. How did it work out for us in that dynasty league which. Did one of us win the championship?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, gosh.

[Andy Holloway]

Because I did. Back to back. So I'm okay.

[Jason Moore]

Did one of us. Because I did.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

But here I would take, I would take Terry McLaurin.

[Kenyon Drake]

So you guys, it's difficult because Mark Andrews is on one of the best teams in football. He's young, he's difference maker at the position. Feel like if you ask the same question with, you know, Travis Kelsey two or three years ago, age wise, sure, you probably would smash the Travis Kelsey button. So maybe we aren't, you know, appropriating that value to Andrews. And it just depends. I mean, I love Terry McLaurin, but talk about diametrically different teams right now.

[Jason Moore]

Well, and that's why it's difficult for me because Mark Andrews, like you said, he's the difference maker out of position in a dynasty league. There aren't very many difference making tight ends. I mean, it's the same in Redraft. You know, we have maybe four players at the tight end position every year where you just, you plug them in and you're happy the vast majority of the time because they go out there and they put a big fantasy numbers.

[Andy Holloway]

It's.

[Jason Moore]

How do you view Terry McLaurin? Where, where is he going? If. Did you see the best of Terry McLaurin last year as a rookie? His quarterback situation is questionable at best.

[Kenyon Drake]

They're. They are. You'll be interested to know Mark Andrews is younger than Terry McLaurin.

[Jason Moore]

Oh my gosh.

[Andy Holloway]

Mark Andrews come in as a baby boy.

[Kenyon Drake]

Mark Andrews is 23 years old. Terry McLaurin is 24.

[Jason Moore]

Did you see the newest comp from head coach Ron Rivera? He's throwing, he's throwing comps out willy nilly.

[Kenyon Drake]

Let me think the first one, he's got Christian McCaffrey already with Antonio Gibson.

[Jason Moore]

That is correct.

[Kenyon Drake]

Okay, so that comp was perfect. So this is for Terry McLaurin.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

I haven't seen it, but I would guess it would be Steve Smith.

[Kenyon Drake]

I'm gonna go Jerry Rice.

[Andy Holloway]

Just go.

[Kenyon Drake]

I'm going Jerry.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, it's a recent. It's is DJ Moore and DJ Moore because Rivera was there. He's just confident.

[Kenyon Drake]

I feel like DJ Moore so young, you need to comp him to somebody still.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I just talking skill set.

[Kenyon Drake]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

And DJ Moore had a real breakout season last year. Not that McLaurin didn't.

[Kenyon Drake]

It is very hard.

[Jason Moore]

I think I'm still going to take Terry McLaurin here, but that's that's tough.

[Andy Holloway]

You need. Usually in a Dynasty league, you're going to need four good young wide receivers and only need to fill one tight end spot. I wish my titan was stronger in the aforementioned champ Champ dynasty league. But.

[Kenyon Drake]

But you did win the championship, right? After trading Mark Andrews away for John Ross.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. And you know, it's. It's because I've got for stud wide receivers. My tight end position is. I mean I've got.

[Kenyon Drake]

We got Jack Doyle.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Jack Doyle and Hayden Hurst and I do have no offense, Eric Ebron, but it's just piecing together a start every week.

[Jason Moore]

Just go trade for Blake Jarwin who will turn into Mark Andrews.

[Kenyon Drake]

I'm guessing you have Blake Darwin.

[Jason Moore]

Mike, look, I cannot confirm nor deny. I also have Terry McLaurin.

[Andy Holloway]

I can tell you we will not be having negotiations after this show. I'm fine with my slew of five Blake Jarwin's I have.

[Jason Moore]

You think I'm trading Blake Jarwin after all this time? Not happening.

[Kenyon Drake]

Dare you even ask? This is just getting me excited for another season of Dynasty.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Fantasy football is super fun. Next question.

[Kenyon Drake]

Well, right before the show we were. There's some rumors about Raheem Moser getting paid extended get that money. And I just got him in the Dynasty league and that would make me feel very good about that acquisition.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Kenyon Drake]

Is it a bad idea to take Justin Jefferson over Jerry Judy in my rookie draft? Asks Joseph Flanagan. It's a lot of Js.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, I wouldn't. But this is where you have to pick the wide receiver prospect. You prefer the offense.

[Kenyon Drake]

You prefer Kirk Cousins versus Exactly. Drew Locke.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean I would take Jerry Judy because of the talent, but the situation is far better for a very good Justin Jefferson.

[Kenyon Drake]

So yeah, both should start from day one.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

I would just highlight the fact of a few years ago. There were three wide receivers and they were all taken in the first round.

[Kenyon Drake]

We had you talking about the Corey Davis here.

[Jason Moore]

Talking about no Laquan Treadwell. Now I'm struggling even to think of anybody's name.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no.

[Jason Moore]

Corey Coleman. Yeah, Corey Coleman and Josh Dachshund.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And you know, and those were all consensus top four picks behind Zeke. There was a wide receiver that year who was drafted by a team in the second round. So he fell. That receiver is Michael Thomas.

[Andy Holloway]

You do you man. So that's in Justin Jefferson.

[Kenyon Drake]

I feel like if you clipped that section of this show out to highlight what rookie draft pick trading, you know, variation can become, you know, you, you could End up with crap.

[Jason Moore]

Do not highlight that I took Dachshund over Michael.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

[Kenyon Drake]

You did. Yeah, of course you did. Because everybody did.

[Andy Holloway]

This is why we usually will err on the side of taking the known vet over the higher potential rookie. Because the hit rate of rookies is not what you think it is.

[Kenyon Drake]

Oh, man. And I brought up Corey Davis and yes. Justin Blackman, Michael Floyd. There have been some big old dynasty so far.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it feels bad right now that you could have drafted Josh Jacobs.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yes. No question. No question. And the pathway for Harry to make you feel okay, J.

[Andy Holloway]

Brown or you know.

[Jason Moore]

It'S a cruel beast dynasty.

[Andy Holloway]

Fantasy football is no fun. Next question.

[Kenyon Drake]

The real key is you've got to take all the great players and then let the other the bad ones.

[Andy Holloway]

That is one of the best strategies that we adhere to.

[Kenyon Drake]

All right, Randall wants to know what, what round you would consider Devin Singletary in actual value.

[Jason Moore]

Ooh, a value. Where?

[Kenyon Drake]

I'll tell you where he goes.

[Jason Moore]

Where is he going?

[Kenyon Drake]

Tell you right now. 38th overall pick, RB21. Is that so?

[Jason Moore]

Fourth round.

[Kenyon Drake]

Playing a little ADP price check here, are you?

[Jason Moore]

I'm okay with that.

[Kenyon Drake]

I think I am too.

[Jason Moore]

I'm okay with Devin Singletary. I know that the there, there is a groundswell for Zach Moss and I think it's, it's fair that they're, they were both third round players. But I still, I think that Singletary has actually proven it on the NFL field. I think he will be the leader of the timeshare and I, I still have Singletary coming through and being a good fantasy player as well. So a value fifth round. If you get him in the fifth, I think you got a very nice value because I would take him at cost in the fourth round.

[Kenyon Drake]

Now he's going around David Johnson, James.

[Andy Holloway]

Conner, David Montgomery, Bell, Raheem Mostert. So.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, okay. Okay, I need to change that answer.

[Kenyon Drake]

Bell's four picks ahead of him.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Kenyon Drake]

He's directly ahead of David Johnson though in Best Ball ADP right now, directly ahead of James Conner.

[Jason Moore]

I feel like I would take those two guys above.

[Kenyon Drake]

Would you take. I mean, I take David Montgomery over Singletary. I had to make that decision in one of my leagues.

[Andy Holloway]

I would as well. This is what I was going to bring up. It's not about what round a guy is a value, it's about where does he slot in among other people in tears. You know, we look at tier based drafting and I don't see him as a value ahead of David Johnson and David Montgomery and these other guys, but he's not an afterthought. I think he can be. You know, if I could wait around.

[Kenyon Drake]

And get David Montgomery. David Montgomery, that'd be great.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah. So where he's currently going is not a good enough value.

[Jason Moore]

That's fair.

[Kenyon Drake]

All right, this question comes in from Gus Busanuski and he asks about Gus Edwards, saying, are both Gus Edwards and Justice Hill drops in Dynasty now?

[Andy Holloway]

I would not drop them. Agreed. But I understand the question. I have Justice Hill in a league, and to me, he is pretty much dead to me. But one injury at a fickle running back position for a team that runs the ball so much, it's really hard to just completely give up on those guys. Also, tell us what your knuckles feel, Andy.

[Kenyon Drake]

Oh, my gosh. They just exploded. Are we popping our knuckles? Is that what we're doing now? Sorry.

[Andy Holloway]

This is. He reads the bones.

[Kenyon Drake]

Oh, my goodness.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah.

[Kenyon Drake]

It's a vision of what it got. Gus Edwards was like over five a carry last year.

[Jason Moore]

Gus Edwards was awesome last year.

[Kenyon Drake]

He just like fourth quarter. Gus was just owning the NFL.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he had 133 carries.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yeah, that's a decent amount of carries to run at five point something a clip.

[Andy Holloway]

But he's a. But he was irrelevant. Right. You're not playing.

[Kenyon Drake]

It was relevant to your point that if an injury happened, this team could trust Gus Edwards over Jacob Dobbins. It's very possible instantly, because you might, you know, just in the way the offense functions and runs and third downs and all those things. Like Gus, like you said, don't cut him. If an injury happens. He may become.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but he's at the bottom of your bench.

[Kenyon Drake]

Sure. Is he lower than Justice Hill?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I think Justice Hill is the lowest.

[Kenyon Drake]

To me, those two players threaten year one Dobbins redraft views.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, for sure. I do think Dobbins is going to dominate, though, not year one.

[Kenyon Drake]

Would you cut Darwin Thompson?

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Kenyon Drake]

That's the other question.

[Andy Holloway]

Darwin Thompson and Justice Hill are virtually identical to me.

[Jason Moore]

You don't have to.

[Andy Holloway]

But they're the. They're the fourth.

[Kenyon Drake]

You might want to.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I'm saying, like, maybe there's. Maybe there's a rookie chilling on your. Your waiver. Like, would you rather have Adam Troutman, the tight end for New Orleans? I would rather drop Darwin Thompson and put him on my bench and see if he develops.

[Kenyon Drake]

You rather have Darius Geiss on your bench than all three of those players?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, for sure. He has the opportunity to be the starter for his franchise this season.

[Kenyon Drake]

All right, Facebook question from Stephen. Earliest you would reach on a player like Madison or Hunt when using a first rounder on Cook or Chubb. Well, I think, I think there is a differentiation there between Madison and Hunt, tier wise.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Kenyon Drake]

Hunt has a potential week to week utility. You know, running back, three flex like you're not starting Madison week to week. Right.

[Jason Moore]

Well, at least you wouldn't have last year. I can't. It could change, but at this point, if you're projecting the change, it's up off of what.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. You have no reason to do that.

[Kenyon Drake]

Do you reach for Hunt if you're the Chub owner or do you find yourself stuck in a place where all of a sudden you're starting to Browns running backs every single week?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think I would prefer to be one or the other. I mean, you're. You're not going to want to start them both.

[Andy Holloway]

You're.

[Jason Moore]

You're limiting your upside doing that. You're limiting your upside on a week to week basis having them both on your team where that's a roster spot that you can't be getting points from another NFL team. So I would prefer not to have both of them. Madison and Dalvin Cook. That's more of a. It's more of a handcuff situation where Madison would be amazing if Dalvin Cook misses time.

[Andy Holloway]

Kareem Hunt is going to be a unrestricted free agent at the end of this season. What do you guys see as his future in Dynasty?

[Kenyon Drake]

I think it depends a lot on this season. To me, my. If I had to handicap it right now, I don't think he's going to get a lead back job again.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I think he will, but he'll. He won't get a. I think he won't, but I think he will.

[Kenyon Drake]

You know, respect my thoughts.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he might. Welcome to the fantasy footballers.

[Kenyon Drake]

Were you happy with having Devontae Freeman and Tevin Coleman together for many years? Because Coleman was standalone. You know, he went in the fifth round, sixth round for two or three years in a row.

[Andy Holloway]

I think the point here is that you don't need to reach for Hunt if you have Chubb. It's not a negative to have both. He's still a handcuff and a usable asset and an unrestricted free agent at age 26. So Hunt has standalone value, but that just because you have Chubb does not mean you need to draft Hunt over people that have a better fantasy outlook that are going to help your team at that position or others.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yeah, and another way to think about that is, you know, you don't need to reach for Hunt. If you could draft another player that you could start every week anyways. I mean if you look at Hunt and he may end up not being a weekly start, he might end up being just a player that when Chubb goes down gives you great value. If he goes down.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Kenyon Drake]

Instagram Question from Greg As a wide receiver two for your roster, do you prefer Robert woods or Calvin Ridley? I love both of these players this year. Robert woods is my selection here. Though I love the upside of Ridley. I think woods is locked.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm identical to you, you know, as my wide receiver too. I want consistency. I want high targets. And while I think Ridley's ceiling is actually higher than Robert Woods, Robert woods is very, very safe to me. And if I can have him as my wide receiver to going out there and getting 130 plus targets pretty much guaranteed barring injury. I love having that kind of consistency in that slot on my fantasy roster.

[Kenyon Drake]

Give me Woods Instagram from Garrett Johnston, would you? When would you be okay taking a chance on Carry on.

[Andy Holloway]

I recuse. I recuse myself. I recuse myself from this conversation. I am not fair to listen to. I mean here's I say I recuse myself and then I just want to.

[Jason Moore]

Immediately give my opinion because we want your opinion.

[Kenyon Drake]

My I just want him to sit there.

[Andy Holloway]

My Redraft look on Kerryon Johnson is as a handcuff. I don't usually even draft handcuffs. I think he'll be more involved but not involved enough where you're going to start him on a weekly basis similar to, you know, a Kareem Hunt type. So in Redraft I'm not really looking for him. I do still absolutely believe in the talent of Kerryon Johnson and he is so young that I think he will get another contract. I like him more in Dynasty than I do in a redraft.

[Kenyon Drake]

Another contract where on another team.

[Andy Holloway]

On another team. The Detroit Lions do not want him.

[Kenyon Drake]

I just if he goes to another team, it's a hard, hard situation. I can imagine him having a look. I think that through the first half of the season when you look at the rushing attempts on the ground for Detroit, Kerryon Johnson will have more than DeAndre Swift when you reach the middle point in the season. So I think that he could have some interesting later round beginning of season value.

[Andy Holloway]

But do you want 55% of the Detroit Lions rushing attack?

[Kenyon Drake]

I don't want 100% of their that's my Point.

[Andy Holloway]

That's exactly my point. If you don't want Pretty much all of it now, it's split. I don't really want the lead dog if I think the lead dog is Swift. I don't really want him if I think the lead dog is Carry On. I don't really want him.

[Jason Moore]

At what point are you willing to say, okay, the value is there. I'll draft Carry On Johnson and see what happens.

[Kenyon Drake]

Ninth round, tenth round.

[Jason Moore]

I have no idea where he's going.

[Andy Holloway]

I have to install software to black his name out just so I don't see him.

[Kenyon Drake]

He's going 91st overall pick right now, running back 39. He's in the Phillip Lindsay, Tariq Cohen category.

[Jason Moore]

That's fair.

[Kenyon Drake]

Which is totally fair.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Kenyon Drake]

But I don't, I don't agree with the Dynasty Valley. I don't agree with. I know you don't.

[Andy Holloway]

I know you don't. I'm well aware that you think that his better job in the future is that that would not happen. I, and I understand that argument. I'm basing it on talent that I think other evaluators agree with and would give him a shot. Bad franchises like that, they lose guys, they draft.

[Kenyon Drake]

But why give a guy a shot that a guy that's hurt is my point. Like, if he's been traditionally hurt, well.

[Jason Moore]

Over next couple years he could.

[Kenyon Drake]

So he could be the Tevin Coleman type of contract, leaving Detroit and then 100% he's been healthy. Okay. I, I know you think that I don't like Carry On Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I know that you hate.

[Kenyon Drake]

Relative to you, it seems like hate.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Kenyon Drake]

But comparatively speaking, like to the world, it's just new. It's just regular carry on valuations.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. No, I get that. That's why I recused myself and did not weigh in at all.

[Kenyon Drake]

All right. Twitter question from Abe. He says, how do you begin your process of stating out players? We probably all have slightly the same answer, but slightly different answer, too. We do it slightly differently.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, for me, I know how I begin the process. We go team by team and depending on the team, I look at the quarterback situation first and I say, do I know what this quarterback does, Will do? His range of outcomes is this Matt Ryan. I know what Matt Ryan is going to pretty much throw for about yardage wise, about completion percentage. You know, I know I'm confident in what he brings to the table. As opposed to Josh Allen. Josh Allen. I go, I don't, I don't know. So for me, when I Stat these teams out. If the quarterback is a. Is a known commodity as a veteran, I start there and I look at what I expect his team, his offense as a whole and stat him out. And then I fill in the weapons to match what I believe the quarterback's reliability is. On the flip side, if it's a quarterback that I do not have a lot of confidence in knowing what the direction is, I kind of look at the weapons first and stat them out to give me an idea of what I believe the outcome will be for the quarterback.

[Kenyon Drake]

Do you guys consider Matt Ryan to be vanilla?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Kenyon Drake]

So like Vanilla Ice.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, I would.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. That's fair.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, I get it because Maddie. Maddie Ice. But Matty Ice is already such a dumb nickname.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yeah. You've always really hated that.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, just dumb.

[Kenyon Drake]

You hate it too?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, it. It is not.

[Kenyon Drake]

My favorite Falcons fans. Let us know how you feel about that nickname or whether you think you've got a guy with ice in his.

[Andy Holloway]

But that's my biggest problem with it. This is a guy who does not have ice in his veins.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

When he's down, he folds. That's my.

[Kenyon Drake]

Let's just like I got an MVP season. Puts up consistently gaudy numbers.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, but that's. But the way he does it. He's not one of those guys when you're down that you want the ball in his hands and you believe.

[Kenyon Drake]

I would say for some reason he doesn't feel that way.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And that's the ice in the veins. The cold blooded just that's why he.

[Jason Moore]

Gives it to other players.

[Kenyon Drake]

You know what it is? It just comes down to that red zone interception problem. Like you drive. He's driven down the field in lots of game winning situations. But then it's like closing the deal.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You reminded me there was a time of. I don't know how much I pushed it on the show, but I was. I referred to him as Manila Ice because he reminded me of like a manila envelope.

[Andy Holloway]

I do not remember that.

[Kenyon Drake]

That seems like not something I want to be compared to a manila.

[Jason Moore]

Oh yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean there's a lot of utility in manila envelope.

[Jason Moore]

Is try and get one of those things open.

[Kenyon Drake]

Is it always. Is it his fault that Julio has. Has the touchdown problems?

[Jason Moore]

That's. That's an interesting question. Chicken or egg there? I have no idea.

[Andy Holloway]

Of course it is. Here's what I can promise. Julio Jones is not the problem for Julio Jones can catch touchdowns and is amazing. Julio is not the reason for it. So yeah, I'M going to put it on. I'm going to put it on. Matt Ryan.

[Jason Moore]

Is Matt Ryan like the Madden player who's like this? This play just works too well. So I need to go over here to my third.

[Andy Holloway]

They're gonna. They're gonna always think it's coming here, so I'm never gonna do it.

[Kenyon Drake]

I do feel like that happens with Julio a lot.

[Jason Moore]

They'll never see this coming.

[Kenyon Drake]

So maybe it's not Matt Ryan or it's hula. Maybe it's.

[Jason Moore]

It's check down to tight end.

[Kenyon Drake]

It's the. They've had coordinator.

[Andy Holloway]

They've had a lot of different coordinators where Matt Ryan does the same thing.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yeah, but these guys are super smart.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Kenyon Drake]

They go away from the best weapon around the goal. I would throw it to him. I'd throw him. He's good. He's good at football.

[Jason Moore]

I want to see a game where every single target. Yeah, every target. Just let's find out what happened one game.

[Andy Holloway]

Throw every target to Julio Jones or Michael Thomas. When you've got the great.

[Jason Moore]

See if they can stop you.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Kenyon Drake]

Well, Julio is so much physically bigger than people anyways. I mean, you could really do that on every play. I think that Ryan has tried a couple games. Yeah, they did that with Brandon Marshall.

[Jason Moore]

He's gotten close.

[Andy Holloway]

But I want every target 100% target sharing again.

[Jason Moore]

And tell him, tell him before they get at the coin flip. Every target's going to Julio Jones. What are you going to do about it?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, tell the defense. Yes, absolutely. Now, what about dump offs? Would that, would that be allowed or just wide receiver, you know, deeper.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, no, it's all allowed. It's everything.

[Kenyon Drake]

But you got to audible to it at the line every time. Julio.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, it reminds me of like back on old NBA games where you're like, what? I would be LeBron? I'm like, you know what? You know who's scoring every point this game? LeBron. Try and stop this.

[Kenyon Drake]

Yeah. It'd be fun. It'd be a good time. All right, that does it for today's episode of the Fantasy Footballers. Thank you for tuning in, supporting the podcast. We. We'll be back with you on Tuesday next week. Enjoy the weekend. Stay safe out there.

[Jason Moore]

See you next time. Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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