Draft Worries + Breakout Hopes, Tricky Trades - Fantasy Football Podcast for 4/8

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary

Episode: Draft Worries + Breakout Hopes, Tricky Trades
Release Date: April 8, 2025
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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1. Introduction and Episode Overview ([01:05] - [02:34])

The hosts warmly welcome listeners to episode 1736 of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. They engage in light-hearted banter about the show's longevity and tease upcoming discussions, setting an engaging and friendly tone for the episode.

2. Giveaway Announcement ([03:06] - [04:14])

Andy Holloway announces the winner of "The Foot Clan giveaway," awarding Patrick McGrath a signed Drake London jersey. The hosts joke about the winner's last name, fostering a sense of community and excitement among listeners.

Mike Wright [03:11]: "The Foot Clan giveaway, the Drake London signed jersey goes to Patrick McGrath. Congratulations, Patrick."

3. Draft Worries: Running Backs Under Scrutiny ([04:26] - [11:15])

The discussion pivots to concerns surrounding running backs in the upcoming NFL draft, focusing on how new draft picks by teams like the Miami Dolphins could impact valuable players such as Devon Hn.

• Devon Hn's Value: Andy Holloway expresses confidence in Hn's enduring value despite potential competition from drafted running backs.

  Andy Holloway [05:09]: "I also don't think if the Miami Dolphins go and draft a running back, I don't think that destroys the Von Hn."

• Najee Harris Concerns: Jason Moore voices apprehension over Najee Harris's longevity and role on the Los Angeles Chargers, especially considering his age and recent contract dynamics.

  Jason Moore [07:58]: "I like Najee is like a de facto. Oh, sweet. I still have a running back two of my team."

• Ramondre Stevenson's Declining Value: Mike Wright highlights the diminishing fantasy value of Ramondre Stevenson due to his performance decline and the Los Angeles Rams' offensive line issues.

  Mike Wright [09:08]: "His yards per carry down three straight years. His targets down three straight years have had some fumbling issues."

• Strategic Holdouts: The hosts agree on holding onto certain running backs like Devon Hn and Najee Harris, emphasizing their sustained potential despite draft anxieties.

  Andy Holloway [10:55]: "Najee to me is valuable right now because he's all alone."

4. League News and Player Updates ([12:44] - [21:45])

The hosts share recent NFL news, including significant player signings and contract extensions.

• Trey McBride's Historic Contract: Mike Wright announces Trey McBride's four-year, $19 million annual average extension with the Arizona Cardinals, noting it as the "biggest contract in league history for a tight end."

  Mike Wright [13:00]: "The Arizona Cardinals don't give Trey McBride this money. If they had any plans to not keep featuring him as a pass catcher... we pay this guy because he's going to be a number one on your team."

• Geno Smith's Extension: Discussion about Geno Smith securing a two-year, $85 million deal with the Las Vegas Raiders, highlighting his experience and stability as a quarterback.

  Mike Wright [16:02]: "Geno Smith is going to be very interesting. But the question was about a Justin Fields Garrett Wilson combination. Breakout. Mike, you have Garrett Wilson in certain places."

• Jordan Mason's Role in Minnesota Vikings: The impact of Jordan Mason's acquisition on Aaron Jones's workload is analyzed, suggesting potential fantasy implications due to reduced opportunities for Jones.

  Mike Wright [21:08]: "But it does mean bad things for Aaron Jones. Fantasy manager."

5. Mailbag: Listener Questions and Host Responses ([27:29] - [47:44])

Listeners submit trade and player performance questions, which the hosts address with insightful analysis.

• Trade Evaluation: Malik Neighbors vs. Jaden Daniels ([28:12] - [31:35])

  • Question: Uncle Al asks whether to keep Malik Neighbors for a fourth-round pick or trade him for Jaden Daniels for an eighth-round pick.

  • Hosts' Consensus: The trio unanimously favors keeping Malik Neighbors, citing his higher value and potential future impact.

    Jason Moore [28:42]: "It's Malik for me."

• Trade Evaluation: Chase Brown vs. Roma Dunes ([42:35] - [47:44])

  • Question: Ryan from Texas inquires about trading Chase Brown for Roma Dunes in a dynasty league.

  • Hosts' Insights: The hosts debate the merits, ultimately leaning towards Roma Dunes for his longevity and potential star status, while acknowledging Chase Brown's immediate value.

    Mike Wright [43:16]: "I think he [Roma Dunes] will be a star in this league."

• Player Breakout: Zay Flowers ([35:51] - [39:23])

  • Discussion: Analyzing Zay Flowers's performance, the hosts debate whether his recent season qualifies as a breakout year. They conclude that while solid, it doesn't meet the threshold for a true breakout in fantasy terms.

    Mike Wright [36:38]: "Top 15. A thousand yards is not, is not enough for me to feel like that's a breakout."

• T. Higgins vs. Rashi Rice ([31:08] - [33:49])

  • Question: Kyle asks which player to draft between T. Higgins and Rashi Rice.

  • Hosts' Opinions: Jason and Mike prefer T. Higgins for his consistent performance and higher touchdown potential, while Andy leans towards Rashi Rice due to his involvement in a strong offense.

    Jason Moore [32:17]: "I would take T. Higgins."

• Justin Fields and Garrett Wilson Breakout Potential ([47:28] - [51:14])

  • Question: Are the hosts optimistic about a Justin Fields and Garrett Wilson combination being a breakout for fantasy purposes?

  • Hosts' Responses: The hosts express cautious optimism, discussing Fields's fluctuating performance and Wilson's potential growth, but remain wary of overestimating their breakout potential.

    Jason Moore [51:24]: "I'll be with nervous optimism on there."

6. Technology Update: NFL's Shift to Camera-Based First Down Determination ([23:00] - [24:37])

Mike Wright introduces a significant change in NFL officiating: the transition from traditional chain gangs to camera-based technology for determining first downs. The hosts humorously speculate on the nostalgic role of chain holders and the potential implications of this change.

Andy Holloway [23:28]: "Don't worry. Chain gains, they are still there."

7. Player Performance Analysis: Zay Flowers vs. Others ([35:47] - [41:26])

A deeper dive into Zay Flowers's performance metrics reveals that while he had a solid season, it falls short of a breakout by fantasy standards. The hosts debate his future potential, considering factors like target volume, yardage, and touchdown consistency.

Jason Moore [37:22]: "He was the wide receiver 10 last year."

8. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts ([54:29] - [55:14])

The episode concludes with a brief mention of upcoming content and a light-hearted discussion about the lack of established pickleball rivalries among the hosts. They tease future episodes and encourage listeners to engage with the podcast community.

Andy Holloway [52:38]: "We don't really have pickleball rivalries. We just have a bunch of pickleball games."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Mike Wright [03:11]: "The Foot Clan giveaway, the Drake London signed jersey goes to Patrick McGrath. Congratulations, Patrick."

• Andy Holloway [05:09]: "I also don't think if the Miami Dolphins go and draft a running back, I don't think that destroys the Von Hn."

• Jason Moore [07:58]: "I like Najee is like a de facto. Oh, sweet. I still have a running back two of my team."

• Mike Wright [13:00]: "The Arizona Cardinals don't give Trey McBride this money... we pay this guy because he's going to be a number one on your team."

• Mike Wright [16:02]: "Geno Smith is going to be very interesting."

• Jason Moore [28:42]: "It's Malik for me."

• Mike Wright [43:16]: "I think he [Roma Dunes] will be a star in this league."

• Jason Moore [32:17]: "I would take T. Higgins."

• Mike Wright [36:38]: "Top 15. A thousand yards is not, is not enough for me to feel like that's a breakout."

• Andy Holloway [52:38]: "We don't really have pickleball rivalries. We just have a bunch of pickleball games."

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Conclusion

This episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast provides an in-depth analysis of upcoming fantasy football drafts, highlighting potential draft anxieties and breakout candidates. The hosts offer strategic advice on player trades, evaluate recent NFL signings, and engage with listener questions to deliver comprehensive fantasy football insights. Their balanced discussions and inclusion of notable quotes offer valuable takeaways for both seasoned fantasy managers and newcomers alike.

Transcript

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[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

Welcome in the Fantasy Footballers. Tuesday, April 8th. The year is 2025 and we got another show for you because that's what we do.

[Andy Holloway]

Show 1736.

[Mike Wright]

Is that true?

[Jason Moore]

I believe it's in the show, doc.

[Mike Wright]

That's a lot. That's a lot of shows.

[Jason Moore]

So where does that put us on? Would it be 20? 26? Will be 2000 or 27?

[Mike Wright]

I don't know, man.

[Jason Moore]

Kyle, figure that out. Go to the Deucer camp. Oh yeah, Kyle. The Borgogan's in the he's house.

[Mike Wright]

Kyle is trying to be a cool.

[Jason Moore]

Youth from the 90s.

[Mike Wright]

The host of the Falcon, our DFS embedding podcast. The host of our Dynasty podcast, Kyle, flying into town. Just kind of sit there.

[Jason Moore]

Where's Dan? What? The people love it, Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the people love the people.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yes, they do.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my goodness.

[Mike Wright]

Wake up, dude.

[Andy Holloway]

I told you, I'm very tired.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I was going to say like one minute ago. Quote, I'm so tired from Jason. So that was private information. Did you wake up? What'd you have for lunch?

[Andy Holloway]

I had a Mediterranean bowl. Heavy, heavy on the hummus.

[Mike Wright]

We have a winner. Is this true? Al Borland. We got a winner of the.

[Andy Holloway]

That is correct.

[Mike Wright]

The Foot Clan giveaway, the Drake London. Signed jersey goes to Patrick McGrath. Congratulations, Patrick.

[Jason Moore]

I would like to file a motion for Patrick to name change his last name to McGrathic because Patrick McGrathic is. That's a good name.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Just saying.

[Andy Holloway]

Okie dokie.

[Jason Moore]

Just throwing it out there.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I feel like there's some. No, there's a reference I don't understand.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, Just a. That's a funny sounding name.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, maybe you need to wake up.

[Jason Moore]

You guys both need to wake up.

[Mike Wright]

That is that okay. YouTube.com the fantasy footballers.

[Jason Moore]

Are you doing a joke where you made a guy's name rhyme? We would never do anything like that on this show.

[Mike Wright]

Look, I think we gave you more credit than you deserved. We thought, oh, that was. We don't know most references that you make and it could have been anything from your wide range of knowledge. It could have been the world of WWE which we know nothing about. It could have been there could be a famous wrestler named Patrick McGrathic. I wouldn't have known.

[Andy Holloway]

What a great name. That rhymes.

[Mike Wright]

It could have been an 80s video game character.

[Jason Moore]

I would not have known though I will say this joke is not for you guys. So when I'm doing my real shallow, dumb people jokes, those are right for you guys.

[Mike Wright]

You give us a disclaimer. Yeah, you can follow us on X at the ffballers. Our quick question of the day. It's a simple one. Which player's fantasy value are you most worried about being impacted from the NFL draft? And so a chance to bring up a name, somebody that you're just kind of nervous about. Maybe they're on a dynasty roster and you're just, you know, you've set up a little corner of your room, you're saying your prayers, you're hoping nobody gets drafted to ruin this player.

[Andy Holloway]

I think the one that could, this is easily the big boy get hurt. The most I think probably will is Devon Achan. HN is, you know, still right now he's very, very highly drafted and he will be if he is all alone.

[Mike Wright]

He's very high in my dynasty rankings at running back.

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely. As he should be. Still only 23 years old. I also don't think if, if the Miami Dolphins go and draft a running back, I don't think that destroys the Von Hn. I think it'll come back to the hyper efficient rookie season versus the more volume based, still successful fantasy season of last year. But as far as the upside, the value where he's being drafted, I think who could take a real kick in the sack would be. Would be Devon hn. I think the Dolphins could draft a very good. I think they should. I'd be like, what is happening? That was a good one. I think the Dolphins should draft a good running back in this draft class. But it will hurt HN a lot.

[Mike Wright]

Well, they have a 13th overall pick, a second round or a third rounder. I, you know, they Kind of whiffed on Jalen Wright last year. Raheem Moser is gone. They have Madison. It will. It would definitely concern me because I think getting back to the efficiency level of his rookie season is probably not happening because that so many breakaway runs.

[Jason Moore]

7.8 yards per carry.

[Mike Wright]

That's why it would concern me. You have sometimes seasons like that happen and they're once in a lifetime and you don't, you know, the breakaway runs weren't there last year. There should have been more. I don't know. It would worry me if you go. You went from 140 opportunities to 290. And that is why he is where he's being drafted in dynasty and in redraft leagues and it'll make me nervous. But it depends who they draft. Right. It depends where, what round do we like them, what we believe about to a going forward. We all picked running backs for this question.

[Andy Holloway]

I think running backs are the. It's the position that gets hurt the most at the draft. I don't worry too much. You know, it's like if, if neighbors had Tetarol. Yeah. And he was drafted, you know, at 3 or whatever. I don't, I don't think that that would take anything away from neighbors. Wide receivers aren't really that hurt.

[Jason Moore]

Wide receiver ones is like wide receiver twos now you can get replaced.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. That'd be more like lower tier stuff like if the Raiders take some whiteouts. Jacoby Myers is no longer right. You know, a flex type of guy or a dynasty hold. Mike, you went with.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going. Najee Harris, the hot signing by the Los Angeles Chargers and that team is just so primed to draft a running back. The makeup of the team with Giro and Hardog being the highest of T and Najee being 27. And just like Najee's best ability is his availability.

[Mike Wright]

1330 opportunities in four years.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And so he's near the age Cliff. He's got a ton of work and they're going to want a young guy. And was he a one year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's a one year contract. So this is, this is a team that in a deep draft class wants a future of running the ball. It makes complete sense for them to draft some.

[Jason Moore]

Najee right now was a huge free agency winner. So this, and look, this is not. I'm saying, I promise this is going to happen to Najee Harris. We, it would, it would surprise me if we went through the draft and they didn't do anything. It's not impossible. But I like Najee is like a de facto. Oh, sweet. I still have a running back two of my team. But if a high profile rookie goes to the Chargers, that is a. That that kid's taking the job. What if it's a job before the year is over?

[Mike Wright]

What if it's a third, fourth rounder? Even a third high enough profile for you.

[Jason Moore]

A third round running back in this draft class would. I would project Najee to lose his starting job by halfway through.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I think the hope for fantasy managers is that because they signed Najee to this deal and it is a deep draft class that they'll use a fourth, sixth rounder and I won't, I won't be that scared. It's really just are they taken on day one or day two? Those are going to make immediate impact for their NFL team. If they're a day three pick then a quality veteran should hold them off.

[Mike Wright]

Especially around the goal line for Najee. Unless somebody comes in, that's a big bruiser. I went with the running back as well and it was all sunshine and rainbows last offseason for Ramondre Stevenson. Signed a big contract. Still under contract for three more years. But you just look at the Patriots. They have four picks in the first three rounds. Ramondre, the confidence level in Ramon Dre, it went down. His yards per carry down three straight years. His targets down three straight years have had some fumbling issues. They when Antonio Gibson's getting worked in and we're getting punitive benchings. Right. Which it's just not a good vibe where the team may not look at Ramondre like they did last off season. I think last off season they thought he was more foundational to the offense. I think now it's more. Well, if a good player's on the board, we're going to go best player available. We need a running back and I think Ramondres value in fantasy is diminishing. Yeah. Around the bad offensive line, by the way. I mean number the worst in the league last year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. He's approaching the bad age for running backs and they've been talking about wanting to add a pass catching running back. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

There was, there was a recent blurb there where they were saying that that that will be a priority for them.

[Mike Wright]

Would you and Dynasty roll the dice with these three names or would you try to capitalize on the value? I think A Chan's value is as.

[Andy Holloway]

High as it's his value is going to be. I would agree there but I'm going to hold on to hn. I'M not trading him before the draft because of a fear that they'll get another running back. Like I said, I think he'll have value. Ramondra, I don't think you're getting anything for, to be honest. And no one's like, you know, kicking down the door to acquire Ramondre Stevenson. Najee is interesting.

[Jason Moore]

This Goldilocks.

[Andy Holloway]

Najee to me is valuable right now because he's all alone. He signed a contract for a Harbaugh team. It looks good. He's, you know, hasn't missed a game in his career. You can get something for Najee. And if they were to take a day one or day two pick, which would not shock any of us, I agree with Mike. He won't finish the season as a starter.

[Mike Wright]

I think I lean a hold on Najee just in how I'd view running backs in Dynasty and I, we were here last year with the Chargers. All these exact same narratives. One of the biggest winners in the draft, J.K. dobbins. Well, because Kymani Vidal didn't do anything and they want somebody they can trust.

[Jason Moore]

At this time, it was Gus. Gus Edwards was the big winner of free agency because he actually got a contract worth a couple million dollars. And Dobbins was a, I think a vet minimum.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he was. It was.

[Jason Moore]

That was that drum beat. That drum beat.

[Mike Wright]

He still has no time.

[Jason Moore]

Right, Dobbins? Correct.

[Mike Wright]

That sucks.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I feel like he came back and did the max he could have done after those injuries. He did, but now has no team.

[Jason Moore]

Like, watching Dobbins, you're like, it's still not right. It's not fully back. And I don't know that we'll ever be fully back, which stinks.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, man, it's tough, dude.

[Jason Moore]

He was going to be so good.

[Mike Wright]

And he was. Yeah, he's productive for them.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

But we'll never know what the career could have been.

[Jason Moore]

No, we won't.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league.

[Jason Moore]

Guys.

[Mike Wright]

Mike is feeling good.

[Jason Moore]

T. Mac.

[Mike Wright]

The Cardinals have signed Trey McBride to a four team McBee four year 76.

[Jason Moore]

The people love it.

[Mike Wright]

Extension 43.

[Jason Moore]

The people love this one. It's the Trey McBride getting that money.

[Mike Wright]

Biggest contract in league history for a tight end. 19 million annual average. So. Oh, man, just imagine if he scored some touchdowns. It.

[Jason Moore]

It is like it. It's fantastic on. On so many levels. But I think the highest profile one is the Arizona Cardinals don't give Trey McBride this money. If they had any plans to not keep featuring him as a pass catcher like you don't look at your offense and say, well, Trey, you might take a step back here. We're going to get Marv more. We think we're going to get another guy. No, you pay this guy because he's going to be a number one on your team.

[Mike Wright]

Kelsey level centerpiece.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, it's.

[Mike Wright]

When you look at the Cardinals, you need to make sure you look at their entire receiving group in the in. How you look at Kyler and all of that. Like McBride, you know, sometimes you can ignore that tight end. You can look at holes at wide receiver, too. You can look at disappointment from Marv right now, today. Trey McBride is their best receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah, that's the.

[Mike Wright]

That's the actual truth. And that means that they messed up a little bit because I probably wouldn't say that if Neighbors was on the Cardinals.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Andy Holloway]

I hope you're not saying that at the end of the year, but I think we will. Trey McBride is in and of himself, just awesome. The way he goes up and mosses guys, breaks tackles.

[Jason Moore]

The dog.

[Andy Holloway]

He always got the dog.

[Mike Wright]

147 targets, 111 catches.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, it was awesome. And the path, you know, Mike and I, we share, you know, our champ, champ team. In one of our dynasty leagues, we had Travis Kelsey.

[Mike Wright]

Is there two spaces at the end of that team now? Like champ, champ, champ, blank, blank, blank, blank? There is, but I'm just trying to.

[Andy Holloway]

Make sure take away.

[Mike Wright]

You need to leave the right amount of space after you say it.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, the nice thing is. So we.

[Jason Moore]

How's your dynasty team championships going, Andy? How would you list them?

[Mike Wright]

I wouldn't say my champ, champ team.

[Andy Holloway]

You wouldn't?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you win two in a row?

[Jason Moore]

Champ, champ?

[Mike Wright]

No, I wouldn't have said that either.

[Andy Holloway]

Because it didn't happen. Interesting. Yeah. I'll bet if you want him back to back, you would say that. But anyways, we had. We had Travis Kelsey for that run and we chose in the first round to take Trey McBride because we believed in this player in his rookie year as the future replacement.

[Mike Wright]

How'd you feel about that?

[Andy Holloway]

We felt so bad because we took him over Johan Dotson.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And if after a year, someone would have offered us Johan dotson for Trey McBride.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Why didn't you offer us that trade, Kyle?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Because we would have taken that really well at the time. Yeah. I mean, Trey McBride had a. Dotson.

[Mike Wright]

Had a nice rookie season.

[Jason Moore]

There's no way you would have offered it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Well, where's Dotson now? I got Johnny Smith, so watch out.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Geno Smith, two year extension worth 85 beautiful million dollars.

[Jason Moore]

Good for you, Gino.

[Mike Wright]

I think some people would be surprised how old Geno Smith is. He is going to be 35. He'll be 35. He gets a 66 million guaranteed deal. The Raiders quarterback situation is 100% Geno Smith's for a while. And so if you're looking at Brock Bowers, you feel great.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

Because Geno is a professional. Gino targets the tight end and you've got stability in a position where he produced without it.

[Jason Moore]

Wow, Kyle's chiming in here. Only Stafford and Russ are older than Geno as starting quarterbacks right now. That's. Obviously Rogers will be in there, but.

[Mike Wright]

He'S much older than I think people realize.

[Andy Holloway]

He had like a decade off of football as a backup and he's.

[Jason Moore]

I think he's good.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he's good as well. I do believe it will overblow Brock Bowers a little bit. Like it. I think people are going to say, well now he's got an accurate quarterback and he didn't last year. But if you look at Brock Bowers, you know BROCK Bowers caught 73% of his targets. Did I say it weird?

[Mike Wright]

Everybody induces Alley's nodding. So.

[Andy Holloway]

Like a chicken.

[Mike Wright]

It was just a little clucky, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, all right, but go on. But my point is he caught 73% of his passes and his rookie year. So you can't really say that his quarterbacks were that inaccurate. And how much you know, he had 153 targets.

[Mike Wright]

You're saying that the hype will be. I mean. Yeah. How much higher can you go?

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I'm saying. Geno Smith, for all his, you know, the confidence that we have in him, he has one season ever above 21 touchdowns. So that, I mean that's. It's just interesting.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

I mean he had the 30 touchdown year, then he went to 20 and then 21. He's a very capable quarterback. He throws for more than 4,000 yards. The yards will be there. You hope that the touchdowns can get up into the 25 range.

[Jason Moore]

The argument for with him, with Bowers is it's just an argument for the Raiders.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

The Raiders overall will be a better offense.

[Mike Wright]

I think the Raiders are going to be a pretty good team.

[Andy Holloway]

I do too. And I was.

[Mike Wright]

I think they'll draft Genty.

[Andy Holloway]

By the way we were talking to.

[Jason Moore]

Oh man, you think so?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, at six.

[Andy Holloway]

That. I mean that would be a great offense. And this division, they're visiting with him today.

[Mike Wright]

By the way.

[Andy Holloway]

This division looks to me like I think we thought this when Russ came to town and it didn't turn out true. But this division looks unstoppably good. What the Chargers are doing, how they've built that team in a year, you know, they've got Herbert, obviously the back to, back to back super bowl visiting, you know, AFC representative of the Chiefs. The Raiders I think are going to be pretty good. Like I think they're going to be a top half team. I would. Yeah. I mean maybe 9 and 8. The hard part is they've got to play their division mates. And then the Broncos, Knicks, they look like they're ready to compete. So you're talking about a really good.

[Mike Wright]

Division now like the AFC north where all the teams are going to be pretty competitive.

[Andy Holloway]

It's good to be in the nfc.

[Mike Wright]

Unless you're in the NFC North.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

In which case it's also bad to be in the nfc. But Patriot Football Patriots get a fifth round pick for Joe Milton, the third and a seventh from the Cowboys. This one is they have added their, their next Trey Lance, backup.

[Jason Moore]

I do not get this. So if you, if you don't remember, Joe Milton was drafted by the Patriots I think in the sixth round last year. He had, you know, like he had his supporters and then he has one start there at the end of the.

[Mike Wright]

Year where he looked 22 for 29. 241 and 1. A couple highlight plays made people turn their head.

[Jason Moore]

He looked like a capable player. But this is, it's one game, week 18. It's the very end of the year and you have this, you have him under contract for real cheap. You drafted him in the sixth and then you trade him plus a seven for a five. It's.

[Mike Wright]

You wonder if there's more pressure from a little head scratching maybe from him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. I mean it could be.

[Mike Wright]

That's the impression I'm getting is that he's. He knows Drake May, 22 years old. He is the future of the Patriots, who I like. I like Drake May a lot. I think he's going to be good. But you're right, you don't normally just toss away depth quarterback like they have.

[Jason Moore]

They brought in Dobbs, but it's like I don't know to get, to get a fifth back when you have. When there's allegedly all this interest in Joe Milton is weird.

[Mike Wright]

Well, they probably would have gotten more if there was more real interest. Jordan Mason. This is a bit of News.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Vikings coach Kevin O'Connell talking about Jordan Mason's role on the Vikings. If you didn't catch that earlier in the offseason. Jordan Mason traded by the 49ers to the Vikings. Basically. O'Connell says he wants to reduce Aaron Jones's workload, which makes sense. Aaron Jones is what, 30? How old is Aaron Jones, 30 or 31?

[Jason Moore]

He is. He's 30.

[Mike Wright]

And you know, he had a career high in snaps and rush attempts, had some injuries, and he basically said that he can be a game changer. Speaking of Jordan Mason and there's some talk about, you know, 1A, 1B backfield structure, goal line opportunities for Jordan Mason, some series, dedicated series, which he should. All of these things should happen.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

If you're Minnesota, you know, the Thunder and Lightning. Aaron Jones spent a lot of his career in that type of, you know, workload. It makes perfect sense. It's a great ad by Minnesota, but it means bad things for Aaron Jones. Fantasy manager.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, you, you saw this with how they got players involved in the beginning of the season. You know, you had a committee and then it wasn't working. We thought it was going to be one of those situations. Yeah. Ty Chandler started the year getting 11 opportunities, 10 opportunities, 16 opportunities. They had their bye week early in week six, and then it was like, yeah, we're not helping our offense when we're doing this. So then he did nothing the rest of the year.

[Mike Wright]

Wasn't Cam Akers getting snaps?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Acres took the backup job. It is. Jones will be a tough draft. If he's in the dead zone for running back this year, then he will not, probably not going to be a guy I want to draft.

[Mike Wright]

I think he seems like somebody to have maybe for the first part of the year, but not count on.

[Andy Holloway]

I feel like both players will be decent dead zone running back picks because Mason will probably be undervalued. And I think that they both have the situation where they're quality backs on a good offense.

[Jason Moore]

But where do you think, you think Mason will be drafted? That high?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, no. I mean, he might be past the dead zone. No, he'll be late. Like double digit. Yeah. I'm just saying for where they're. They're being drafted, you have the built in upside of it. If either one of them goes down, the other is a really good running back on a good offense for sure.

[Mike Wright]

And then we do have the announcement officially. I don't know if we've talked about it on the show recently, but the NFL, the NFL Will officially switch from using the chain gangs to camera based technology in 2025 to determine first downs.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't worry. Chain gains, they are still there. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

For how useless can you feel when you're the backup.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Holding a chain, you're.

[Andy Holloway]

That is not going to be used.

[Mike Wright]

They only hire between 67 and 74 year old men on the chain gang.

[Andy Holloway]

I have to imagine when you are completely 100% not used at all for weeks and weeks and weeks and it's, you know, late in the third quarter and week 16 and like are you paying attention to your job? Like all of a sudden the Hawkeye.

[Mike Wright]

Or whatever they're looking, they're like way down the field, never moved.

[Andy Holloway]

It's like, oh no, our system isn't working. Let's go to the backup. Oh, it is.

[Mike Wright]

They're asleep, Bob.

[Jason Moore]

But this is just the measurement, right?

[Mike Wright]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

This is an actual. We're not. We didn't fix the spotting of the ball. Which is.

[Mike Wright]

We did not.

[Jason Moore]

That's the real problem.

[Mike Wright]

You're right.

[Jason Moore]

Is making sure that. I know we've had a couple fiascos with the chain gang, including the. What? Who pulled out the note card?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Skeletor, whatever his name is.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Gene Skeletor from the he man series.

[Jason Moore]

No one wants to jump in.

[Mike Wright]

I think Gene Skeletor is pretty good work team territory, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

That's why I went Skeletor. Because I wasn't sure.

[Mike Wright]

Now you got it. It rhymed. And I know you like how things rhyme. We will go ahead and move on here. Take a quick break and jump into some questions.

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Did we find his name? Does anyone know it?

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It is Gene Steritor. Okay, Steritor.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

Ooh yeah.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

What's up ballers?

[Andy Holloway]

This is Uncle Al from Greeley, Colorado. Would you rather keep Malik Neighbors for.

[Jason Moore]

A fourth round pick or Jaden Daniels for an eighth.

[Andy Holloway]

Love the show. Thanks guys. I'm going to assume this was uncle.

[Jason Moore]

Al saying Malik for a fourth or Jaden Daniels for an eighth.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to assume because this is a question that this has to be a single quarterback league.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Otherwise Jaden Daniels in the eighth he wouldn't be a ninth. It's a pretty easy.

[Mike Wright]

It's Malik for me.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's Malik.

[Jason Moore]

It's Malik Neighbors just due to market and look, having Jaden Daniels is going to be so much fun and he's going to be awesome for fantasy football. But there's other guys that you can find that can at least give you a lot of the production that Jaden Daniels is giving you or Malik in the fourth is.

[Mike Wright]

And to be clear, like being exchange for an 8th round pick. I mean this could have be. Even if it was Malik for a four and Jaden for free, I would still be taking Malik.

[Andy Holloway]

Malik in the fourth is a great value right now. He's the 10th pick off the board in ADP.

[Jason Moore]

So best ball.

[Andy Holloway]

No, this is sleeper data.

[Jason Moore]

Oh right.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And if, look, if you want to take a swing on Jaden earlier than advertised, you can still do that. You're saving draft position on Malik. Malik could be a first round, second round pick.

[Jason Moore]

This is interesting to me. I want to get your guys opinion here pulled up underdog. You know just checking out their rankings here. They have Brian Thomas at 6, Malik at 7 as in. And like a whole almost 10 picks. Brian Thomas is in front of Malik neighbors.

[Mike Wright]

That's.

[Jason Moore]

Or that's. I'm sorry, that point. That's points. 80.

[Mike Wright]

But he's ahead of him is closer. Yeah, yeah. I mean look, I don't, I don't blame anybody for that. Situation in Jacksonville is cleared up. It's Brian Thomas's show.

[Andy Holloway]

There's a quarterback there.

[Mike Wright]

Russell Wilson's not there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean that, that's. That is a big, big distraction by addition.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Look, you have more stability there in the. In the key. You got Trevor Lawrence.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, so who would you take? You're in a startup, not a dynasty draft just for 20, 25.

[Mike Wright]

I do feel like there is a magnetism to try to take neighbors there but I think the smarter pick would be Brian Thomas.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know why is it that we feel like that's strange.

[Andy Holloway]

I can't wait to. Obviously when we get working on the stating out of every player for the ultimate draft kit, seeing how those two players the chips fall especially after projecting whatever we think Russell Wilson's going to do. I mean you always have the potential of Jameis stepping in because right. If Jameis was the quarterback Malik neighbors so Brian.

[Jason Moore]

Brian Thomas was lower points per game.

[Mike Wright]

I've got the numbers here than Malik. Yeah Malik.

[Jason Moore]

Malik missed a couple games.

[Mike Wright]

Malik was 109 for 12. Oh 4 and 7. Thomas was 87 for 12, 2 and 10. Malik missed some time higher volume. That volume could be there for Brian Thomas. Probably should be there for Brian Thomas this year with no more Christian Kirk. Yeah look I don't think you're making a mistake. I think they should be neck and.

[Jason Moore]

Neck and it's the I mean yeah they have the quarterback but it was Mac Jones. I know when Brian Thomas really got cooking he was oh my goodness from.

[Mike Wright]

The bye week he was on pace for Brian Thomas was 127 for 16, 80 and 15.

[Jason Moore]

The world where Brian Thomas comes out and has a slow first three games like people there will be rides in the streets for Lawrence to be removed.

[Mike Wright]

Kyle Turner writes in on X if you had to pick heads up between T. Higgins and Rashi Rice in Dynasty who would you take?

[Jason Moore]

I would take T. Higgins.

[Andy Holloway]

I would take Rushy Rice.

[Mike Wright]

I would take T. Higgins. Really I would.

[Jason Moore]

We got you to answer T. You did? Yeah. What what a day.

[Mike Wright]

You did what a day.

[Jason Moore]

So why I think that T. Higgins is just overall the better player the like it's he's not as target consolidation.

[Mike Wright]

To me between the two guys he's.

[Jason Moore]

Not as gadgety where it'll work for a while with Rice but it's like Higgins to me is a guy that and touchdowns if I have to project who's going to have more touchdowns I would go Higgins.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah I mean I pretty much agree with that. I think Xavier Worthy's the fact that he matured to be as valuable as he was the fact that Hollywood Brown was re signed when he wasn't there at the beginning of the year when Rashi had success those two players being involved with Rashi Rice his suspension situation.

[Jason Moore]

Which the update on Rice for because he was also injured season ending injury back in week four Coach Reed said that Rice is on track to be ready for training camp. We still do have to figure out the whole suspension thing which has been just radio silence unless you guys saw.

[Andy Holloway]

No I had not heard anything on.

[Mike Wright]

It so I lean T but don't.

[Jason Moore]

Forget that that will happen like the suspension talk will eventually happen.

[Mike Wright]

They're not as far apart in age.

[Andy Holloway]

As you might no two years different in playing Seasons, but only one year apart in age. That being said, that that obviously means that, you know, it's an earlier.

[Mike Wright]

How many years apart do you say playing?

[Andy Holloway]

Two. Two extra seasons for T3. Really?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, because Rice just finished his second season. He's got five seasons already. But very similar in age. Mac writes in off of X. How do you guys rank Tony Pollard next year given the Titans drafting of Cam Ward? If they do, they will.

[Andy Holloway]

So he was almost my answer for the quick question because I could easily see them adding a running back. The Titans in this draft and Tony Pollard would really, he would like be off my board if they were.

[Mike Wright]

It's a good year for them to take a running back, not take a running back.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree. I agree.

[Mike Wright]

It's a good year to just. You've got it figured out already. You've got Spears and Pollard just take that year off, stack up offensive linemen, protect your quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, that's what I, that's what I would do as well. But you know, sometimes teams do crazy things like they take the number one pick and they draft Trevor Lawrence and then they, they use another first round pick. A draft Travis etn. When you have, when you had a good running back.

[Jason Moore]

The Titans. I'm looking at our lads right now and the projected starting wide receivers. Oh, let's hear Tennessee Titans. Calvin Ridley, we know that one. But still in the projections to be a starter. Traylon Burks.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, this is his year. Mike. This is his year.

[Jason Moore]

And hold on. Van Jefferson.

[Mike Wright]

See, I would. That'd be a place if they get a receiver.

[Jason Moore]

He took a running back and they're like, no guys. We're good with Burks and Jefferson.

[Mike Wright]

That seems like a team just desperate enough to spend on one of the old guys still available. Like wait, is Keenan still out there?

[Andy Holloway]

Keenan is out there.

[Jason Moore]

And the Titans do not have a third round pick. They're not taking the running back.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. IG question from Rudy wants you to see the future. Hopefully you guys can do this. Is Zay Flowers going to break out last two seasons, his two NFL seasons, very similar. 100 plus targets, just barely over. 70 plus receptions. Just barely over. He did get to a thousand.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, we're not calling last year a breakout.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

I mean 74 for 1,059, three fewer.

[Mike Wright]

Receptions than the year before and one fewer touchdown. Similar targets. I don't feel like it was a breakout.

[Andy Holloway]

Really.

[Mike Wright]

I don't feel like Zay Flowers was making people win a bunch of fantasy matches.

[Andy Holloway]

He was the wide receiver 21. So he had a really, really solid season. I don't, I don't know if it was an official.

[Jason Moore]

What do you guys need for a breakout?

[Mike Wright]

Top 15. A thousand yards is not, is not enough for me to feel like that's a breakout. No, I mean that's. Look, fundamentally he just wasn't that.

[Andy Holloway]

If it was a thousand.

[Mike Wright]

Big of a player for them.

[Andy Holloway]

If it was a thousand yards and nine touchdowns, okay. But I mean, it really was a mildly disappointing season for him. I mean, you were playing him a lot, Mike. Did you feel like he was.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, I had him on my team.

[Andy Holloway]

An important part. I feel like if it's a breakout, then that for fantasy football, not for the NFL. I mean, he's officially their number one guy and he's already, you know, broken out to that category. But if we're just talking fantasy football, to be a breakout, it's got to be a guy you see as like an every week starter.

[Mike Wright]

Versus scored in three of 17 weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Versus trying to, you know, he's pretty much a flex guy. He was a decision every week. Like we had him on our dynasty team and it was always a decision of whether we were going to start him or not.

[Jason Moore]

He had the 16th most yards at the wide receiver position.

[Mike Wright]

Look at his game log though, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I know, I know. It was infrequent.

[Mike Wright]

I mean even like if you go the last eight games of the season.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, those were bad.

[Mike Wright]

59 for 860 and 2. He had a really solid like little middle of the season where he was kind of on fire. I just know from having him on my team, I didn't feel like I was starting a wide receiver. One or two.

[Jason Moore]

Did Jackson, Smith and Jigbo break out?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

So less than 100 yards more and two more touchdowns for JSN. Well, I guess that's one.

[Mike Wright]

He was receiving.

[Andy Holloway]

He was the wide receiver 10 last year.

[Mike Wright]

He caught 100 passes.

[Andy Holloway]

He caught 100 passes.

[Mike Wright]

That's a lot more.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a top 10 wide receiver in fantasy.

[Jason Moore]

But I'm saying touchdowns is not that far off.

[Mike Wright]

It's holistic. And 30 more catches, 100 yards and more touchdowns is. Yeah, that's breaking.

[Andy Holloway]

You look at the, you look at the second half of the seasons for both of those players, you know, because they're, they're both young, they're coming in and you want them to be getting better. Andy, just read you. The last, you know, eight game was 59 receptions for 800 yards. The last nine games for Jackson, Smith and Jigba. What would have been 107 receptions for 1400 yards and 10 touchdowns. Like, that's a. That's a break.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, did he break out as a rookie?

[Jason Moore]

Jay Flower.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Flowers.

[Jason Moore]

No. No, no.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I mean, his numbers were not very different from his rookie season.

[Andy Holloway]

Now the question is, is this could be the breakout.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

He's not built to do what we would want him to do, I think. And I don't think that team is built that way.

[Andy Holloway]

They don't. He's not a ball hog.

[Mike Wright]

He's not a. Yeah. Game play target. Monster game plan. Build it to conquer the defense. He's very good. I'm not taking anything. Zay Flowers is as. He's as good as Zay Flowers can be.

[Andy Holloway]

I think Zay Flowers has the ability to be a really dominant, even fantasy player. I don't know that they utilize their wide receivers in that capacity. I mean, he only had 116 targets, which is good.

[Mike Wright]

How many touchdowns did Lamar throw last year?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, like 40.

[Jason Moore]

So many.

[Mike Wright]

40. And he had five. Five of the 40. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Mark Andrews is taking them all.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And Mark, I mean, who knows how long that'll be?

[Andy Holloway]

41 passing.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't think we're really saying very different things. We just maybe define it differently.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

It was just slightly.

[Jason Moore]

I'm surprised to not call that a breakout.

[Mike Wright]

Did we persuade you that it wasn't?

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, cool.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you wait? But he didn't break out his rookie season.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. But when he scores fewer points per game, that then is the break.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, that's a fair point. Boom shakalaka. That is a fair point.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I don't know where that boom shakalaka is.

[Andy Holloway]

Jeremy. Jeremy, hit it.

[Mike Wright]

That's a strong. There it is. Yeah. Fewer points per game. All right, you win, Jason. We'll take a break. We'll be back with some more questions.

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[Mike Wright]

We said so many more words, and the only thing you needed to say was that. Right about the points per game we were talking about Other stuff. More tricks.

[Jason Moore]

Now go. I mean, I bet in standard it's not even close. He scored more last year.

[Andy Holloway]

Last year? Yeah, the year two, he had one fewer touchdown, so.

[Jason Moore]

But he had 200 more yards.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe.

[Mike Wright]

Wait, he's still fighting. He's still alive.

[Jason Moore]

Well, this is interesting to me of flopping of. Because it feels like in our slack here too, people are like, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not good. It's like I was. I felt like I'm totally out on flowers, but maybe I need to go trade for him because he's still valuable and people are not actually seeing how valuable he was.

[Mike Wright]

You need. You need to do. I think you should if you just need to do more for me. I'm sorry, that's just so, you know, on a per game basis, four for 62. That's what he's averaging. And he scored in three of 17 games.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, the touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

That's not a wide receiver one.

[Andy Holloway]

Also in standard, he scored fewer points.

[Jason Moore]

Did he really?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. 8.1 to 8.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Boom shakalaka.

[Jason Moore]

Jeremy.

[Andy Holloway]

Hit it.

[Jason Moore]

Boom shakalaka.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, where are we here? Let's go to Ryan in Texas. What is your opinion on a Chase Brown for Roma Dunes a dynasty trade?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my goodness.

[Mike Wright]

First of all, just reading that. Love it. Feel like it's a perfect dynasty trade in terms of like both. Both parties in the trade have to make a huge judgment. Yeah. A decision towards the future. Now, look, if it were me, I'd much rather have Roma Dunes. I. I actually love Roma Dunes. A. I think he's going to be a star in this. In this league. He's three years younger. He plays the longevity position for Dynasty. So it's. I'm very content with the Dunes a side, but a small window of amazing running back play would also be very valuable in dynasty. And you might get that with Chase Brown.

[Andy Holloway]

Where do you sit? We all are on the side. We debated Chase Brown a couple weeks ago and we're all on the side that we think Chase Brown will be the dude this year. It'll be very, very good for fantasy.

[Mike Wright]

Nervous about the draft and Chase Brown.

[Andy Holloway]

But it is not a guarantee.

[Jason Moore]

It's not a guaranteed mild concerns for the draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. Exactly. As of this moment. It's not a guarantee that Chase Brown really, truly has that job all alone because, you know, Zach Moss got injured and that's when he came into that giant, massive workload while he was a little bit inefficient. So there is a Guarantee that Roma dunes A will be given every chance and opportunity and target and snap to prove that he can elevate into a star player.

[Mike Wright]

I think that there is a. It's a non zero chance that he outperforms DJ Moore for fantasy this season.

[Jason Moore]

Rome.

[Mike Wright]

Rome, man.

[Jason Moore]

I do like Rome.

[Mike Wright]

I really do. I think. I think that there's a decent chance that he puts up. You know, he can put up 12, 14 touchdowns. Like that's in his. That's in his skill set. To me, we used to spend all of our years saying DJ Moore stuck at 5 and 6. Now he's an amazing player. But I've. I've watched enough Bears football to see who Caleb Williams is glancing at inside the 20. And I feel like if Ben Johnson can unlock that offense a little bit with no Keenan Allen, I don't know. I. He's. He's. He may. He may enter the category.

[Jason Moore]

Wow.

[Mike Wright]

He may enter the old.

[Jason Moore]

That's wild.

[Mike Wright]

The mg, if you know what I mean.

[Andy Holloway]

That's funny because right now I've got two players that are like early guys. I'm just like. I'm very bullish compared to consensus and that would be DJ Moore for me.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man.

[Mike Wright]

In here before, haven't we.

[Jason Moore]

We have.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

But to answer the question, if I'm trading like where the market is right now with Chase Brown versus Roma Dunes A. If I have Chase Brown, I'm asking for more for.

[Andy Holloway]

For Rome. That's fair. I do think that Rome is a good trade for Target because people who drafted him, I don't think everyone is as bullish as.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Wide receiver 47 as a rookie doesn't help.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean when you look at lad McConkey and what he did and neighbors and Brian Thomas Jr. It really hurts the kind of perception of Roma Dunes. But the way that. No, that's what I'm saying. The way that I have talked up, you know, Marvin Harrison Jr. Was an outright bust for fantasy. I have argued in no way, shape or form did he have an NFL rookie bust season.

[Mike Wright]

What was his yards?

[Jason Moore]

Marv was in the 800s.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So 734 to 885.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And Marv was the one. Rome was the three.

[Jason Moore]

Marv had eight touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, correct.

[Mike Wright]

How many catches did he have? I just can't remember.

[Jason Moore]

Marv was 62.

[Mike Wright]

Those are.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the numbers are not that different. The numbers are pretty close. Obviously the touchdowns were the big differentiator. But both of these players. And to speak only to Rome, Rome had a Good rookie season. It was disappointing compared to where he was drafted versus other wide receivers. What the expectations were for Caleb Williams, where he was drafted in fantasy drafts. Rome had a disappointing season, but he did not have a bad rookie NFL season. So I think a lot of people out there think he was. He's a bust and that it's been decided and it definitely has not been.101.

[Mike Wright]

Target.121 targets went to Kenan Allen last year. That'll be departing. So for DJ Moore. Bulls.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. For either Bulls.

[Mike Wright]

For Cole Comet. Bulls.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to stop saying Bulls. It doesn't sound.

[Andy Holloway]

No. Bowers.

[Mike Wright]

Buck Bowers. Buck Bowers.

[Andy Holloway]

Buck. Buck. Bowers.

[Mike Wright]

Buck.

[Andy Holloway]

Buck.

[Mike Wright]

Bowers.

[Andy Holloway]

Buck.

[Jason Moore]

Buck Bowers.

[Andy Holloway]

You gotta get the R in there.

[Jason Moore]

That's amongst our finest work.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Yeah. You can't rock. I like this trade because you do.

[Jason Moore]

Sounds like the Cadbury Bunny over there.

[Mike Wright]

I feel like both sides of this trade could be super wrong about it, which is fun.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. For Dynasty, you're taking a gamble. But if I'm going to take a gamble on two questionable risky pieces, I would rather have the three year younger, first round top ten drafted wide receiver position for Dynasty.

[Mike Wright]

Let's talk about more controversial things. Question from the website. Are we optimistic about a Justin Fields and Garrett Wilson breakout? A sneak. A sneaky stack. Thanks. You guys rock.

[Jason Moore]

No, optimistic I think is pushing it too far.

[Mike Wright]

I actually think Justin Fields will be over drafted.

[Andy Holloway]

You think Justin Fields will be overdrafted?

[Mike Wright]

I do.

[Andy Holloway]

His production, where would that be? Where should he be drafted and where do you expect him to be drafted?

[Mike Wright]

I just think some people are going to transpose 2022 onto him and I don't know if we're going to get that level of efficiency.

[Andy Holloway]

What round would you draft him in?

[Mike Wright]

Where do you think he's going to be ranked?

[Andy Holloway]

Are you, Are you talking like ADP or are you talking.

[Mike Wright]

No, I'm just saying like, do you think he's going to be drafted as a top or.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he's going to be viewed.

[Mike Wright]

As a top 12.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah. I think he'll be a quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

So then I think he's somebody that's going to go in the seventh or.

[Andy Holloway]

Eighth round right now on sleeper. He is in the seventh round.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. So in that case I probably will be passing on that. Okay. I just. My point being is that we all were blown away by the big prolific plays in 2022, the big long runs. But your points per game for him, how much freedom they give him what else does he have on that team that's struggling with an offensive line? I don't know. I don't know if we get that points per game. He's the kind of player that you could draft. Think you have something stick him in there for too long and it's just kind of okay.

[Jason Moore]

I think you'll still be able to get him later in the draft though. It's like if you're saying eighth round for a mobile quarterback because around there.

[Mike Wright]

You'Re going to be give me other names.

[Jason Moore]

So I'm just looking at underdog right.

[Mike Wright]

Now where I feel like actually in underdog I feel like he's going to go. He would go higher than in a rebound.

[Jason Moore]

He is QB14.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

On Underdog right now. Going right in front of him.

[Andy Holloway]

The.

[Jason Moore]

You have the triplets of pocket passes. You have Justin Herbert Stroud, Brock Purdy and Jared Goff. No, dude, people are.

[Mike Wright]

Wait, Stroud's lower than all those.

[Andy Holloway]

Like probably quarterback 17, 18 people are out.

[Mike Wright]

See, I feel like Stroud has. Has at least 50, 50 odds of passing the Justin Fields in production.

[Andy Holloway]

The.

[Jason Moore]

The where I would push back on like what happened last year for Justin Fields. So to what whenever it was you had the, the fun Justin Fields experiment was he's the guy for Chicago and they're just like go win and then he goes to Pittsburgh. He has like. He has no room for error. You got Russell Wilson waiting there who's. Who was supposed to be the starter. And I think you have Pittsburgh saying no, you're. You are so managed of what we want you to do. But then the jets with the money that they have given him, they're saying no, you're. We're going to try this. We want the full Justin Fields experience. So I think it's.

[Mike Wright]

But we.

[Jason Moore]

The playstyle is closer to the Chicago years than last year.

[Mike Wright]

I agree. But that's where I think people will miss that. There's a year in between. There's a full Chicago year in between. There was the prolific Chicago year. Then there's 13 games of not that good quarterback, 18, 17 points a game. Then there's the. Then there's the Pittsburgh managed year where it's like if this is a. Even if he goes back to the Chicago days and he's 17, 18 points a game. I don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

Well his season last year before he got pulled in week six, he was basically 17.7 points per game, which is.

[Mike Wright]

What he was in Chicago.

[Andy Holloway]

That's exactly what he was.

[Mike Wright]

So then he had Backup work that lowered his thing on the year.

[Andy Holloway]

Correct.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know. He'll be very interesting. But the question was about a Justin Fields Garrett Wilson combination. Breakout. Mike, you have Garrett Wilson in certain places. Are you intrigued, excited, nervous?

[Jason Moore]

I'll be. I'll go with nervous optimism on there. Of like the teammate thing matters to me because of like the Chicago that.

[Mike Wright]

They used to be teammates together in college.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Back in Ohio State and it's like the, the monster year for DJ Moore was because Justin Fields said, I am only throwing this ball to DJ Moore. And it would not surprise me if we had Justin Fields staring down Garrett, waiting for him to get open on the bulk of plays, which then that would be.

[Mike Wright]

What do we have? We had Chase and Burrow in college. We had Hollywood Kyler get a chance to play together. Who were college teammates. Yeah. You know, the bull case is DJ Moore season with Justin Fields in 2023 in that in between year where it's like, yeah, Fields wasn't a top 10 quarterback, but D.J. moore was a number six overall fantasy player.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. As of right now, I imagine I'm going to be interested in getting Justin Fields on some of my redraft teams.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, Nate, with our final question of the day from X. Very important. Do the pickleball rivalries heat up in the off season for the fantasy footballers?

[Andy Holloway]

They just switch time of day, you know.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but I mean, is there more heat to it? No, there's less heat. Yeah, there's less heat. It's not the summer.

[Andy Holloway]

The summer is very hot in Arizona.

[Jason Moore]

Nice.

[Andy Holloway]

I did.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know that we have.

[Andy Holloway]

We don't really have pickleball rivalries. We just have a bunch of pickleball games. The rival is whoever we're playing against that moment and then we rotate. So every, every day we're playing in every possible combination. So it doesn't. There's no like divisions.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

So I see it going, going back to the choosing to be quiet, the Garrett Wilson side. I just, I was curious how George Pickens played. I wanted to remember because obviously he was, he was the clear cut number one for Justin Field. Very similar situation that I think they'll. They'll find for the jets. And yeah, he was 7.7 points per game in those first six games.

[Mike Wright]

We have a brand new play caller with the jets this year as well, a new offensive coordinator. Because I can't help but think offensive coordinator when I think of Justin Fields and George Pickens last year and Arthur Smith.

[Jason Moore]

Fair.

[Mike Wright]

So you do have a new head coach, new offensive coordinator and a kind of. I don't know. It'll be very interesting in New York. They're taking their shot.

[Jason Moore]

It it's just like it Garrett Wilson's good, so it can work. You're not betting on a talentless if.

[Mike Wright]

You had a wide receiver plop down all of your possessions on one side of Garrett Wilson, wide receiver 10, I.

[Andy Holloway]

Would plop it down.

[Mike Wright]

Would you plop it down on the Would you plop it? Where'd you plop it?

[Andy Holloway]

I'd give Tell us where you plop it.

[Jason Moore]

I'd give a good solid plop to not in the top 10 because top 10 is just that. That's wild.

[Mike Wright]

Plop, plop.

[Andy Holloway]

Which he was.

[Jason Moore]

He was last year.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye everybody. We are done talking football for today, but we'll talk more on Thursday. You can also get an extra [e-mail] Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Andy Holloway]

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