Early Top 20 QB Rankings + Draft Hype! - Fantasy Football Podcast

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast – Early Top 20 QB Rankings + Draft Hype!

Episode Release Date: April 16, 2020
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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Introduction and Context

In this episode, the Fantasy Footballers trio dives deep into their Early Top 20 Quarterback (QB) Rankings and explores the draft hype surrounding the upcoming NFL season. Released during the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, the hosts navigate through the uncertainties of quarantine life while providing valuable insights for fantasy football enthusiasts gearing up for their drafts.

Current News and Updates [00:53 - 10:34]

Before delving into the rankings, the hosts share casual conversations about life in quarantine, online grocery shopping mishaps, and upcoming shows like Jason's "Jason Eats." They briefly discuss the Ultimate Draft Kit, highlighting its upgrades and the advantage of accessing dynasty and rookie rankings early.

Notable Quote:

• Jason Moore [01:36]: “I am freaking out excited for next week. This coming week is going to be incredible.”

Transition to QB Rankings Discussion [10:34 - 19:00]

Andy Holloway steers the conversation towards the main topic—Quarterback Rankings—emphasizing the complexity and importance of selecting the right QB in fantasy drafts. The hosts acknowledge the challenges in predicting QB performance due to various variables inherent to the position.

Key Points:

• Importance of QB position in fantasy drafts.
• Decision-making trade-offs between selecting a QB early vs. other key positions like running backs or wide receivers.

Early Top 20 QB Rankings [19:00 - 46:05]

1. Patrick Mahomes vs. Lamar Jackson

The debate kicks off with the top two QBs:

• Jason Moore and Mike Wright rank Patrick Mahomes as #1.
• Andy Holloway prefers Lamar Jackson as #1 due to his explosive performances and dual-threat capabilities.

Notable Quotes:

• Jason Moore [22:43]: “Mahomes is my number one, Mike's number one. But Mahomes had a down year... I'm going back to Pat Mahomes because Lamar Jackson's touchdown rate was just too unsustainable.”
• Andy Holloway [21:21]: “Mahomes is part of a great offense with explosive weapons.”

3. Kyler Murray and Deshaun Watson

• Kyler Murray is discussed for his rushing prowess and potential impact in fantasy.
• Deshaun Watson is praised for his dual-threat ability, making him a valuable pick despite concerns about his offensive system.

Notable Quotes:

• Mike Wright [35:44]: “Dak is a really, really good quarterback... I think he's very, very safe... almost hit 5,000 yards.”
• Jason Moore [26:05]: “Pat Mahomes could be an unbelievably good fantasy asset when he's 38 years old. Lamar Jackson isn't going to be running like an RB one at 38.”

4. Josh Allen

• Ranked #5, Josh Allen gains traction due to his rushing ability and improved passing game. The addition of top-tier receivers like Stefon Diggs enhances his fantasy value.

Notable Quotes:

• Jason Moore [36:27]: “Josh Allen continues to dominate on the ground. That's why I've got him at number four.”

5. Drew Brees

• Despite age, Drew Brees remains a solid fantasy option due to his accuracy and the strengthened New Orleans offense with new additions like Emmanuel Sanders.

Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway [40:46]: “Drew Brees at 8 feels comfy. I think he certainly could finish a lot higher than eight.”

6. Aaron Rodgers

• Aaron Rodgers is ranked #9, with concerns about his consistency and recent performances, making him a lower priority despite his historical excellence.

Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway [43:57]: “Having him at nine, I just don't know if I'm going to take Aaron Rodgers in any league.”

7. Matt Ryan and Carson Wentz

• Matt Ryan (#10) is valued for his solid performance and weaponry, while Carson Wentz (#11) faces scrutiny due to his previous season's performance and team dynamics.

Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway [34:18]: “He just had a solid fantasy year... I think he belongs in that top five for me after the QB2 finish.”

Draft Strategy and Value Considerations [46:06 - 52:36]

The hosts discuss strategic considerations when drafting QBs, emphasizing:

• Trade-offs between selecting a QB early versus securing high-value running backs or wide receivers.
• Value-based drafting, determining at which round top QBs like Mahomes and Jackson offer the best return on investment.

Notable Quote:

• Andy Holloway [20:22]: “The quarterback position is tough at the top... you are making a decision to go quarterback over another important position.”

Injury Concerns and Consistency [52:36 - 60:53]

Discussion shifts to QBs with injury histories or consistency issues, such as:

• Matt Ryan, Carson Wentz, Matthew Stafford, Tom Brady
• Impact of team changes and offensive schemes on QB performance (e.g., Russell Wilson's offense under Pete Carroll).

Notable Quotes:

• Mike Wright [50:32]: “He will end up being a player that I'm willing to be wrong about.”
• Jason Moore [52:36]: “It's brutal.”

Conclusions and Final Rankings

The hosts summarize their rankings, considering each QB’s fantasy potential, consistency, and team dynamics. They reiterate the importance of balancing QB selections with other key positions to build a competitive fantasy team.

Final Top 20 QB Rankings Highlights:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Lamar Jackson
3. Kyler Murray
4. Deshaun Watson
5. Josh Allen
6. Drew Brees
7. Aaron Rodgers
8. Matt Ryan
9. Carson Wentz
10. Matthew Stafford
11. Tom Brady
12. Daniel Jones
13. Jared Goff
14. Jimmy Garoppolo
15. Philip Rivers

Key Insights and Takeaways

• Dual-Threat QBs like Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen are highly valuable due to their ability to accumulate points both through passing and rushing.
• Consistency and offensive support are critical factors in determining a QB’s fantasy value.
• Strategic Drafting involves balancing the risk of early QB selections against securing top-tier players at more replaceable positions like RB and WR.
• Injury History and team dynamics significantly influence QB rankings and draft strategies.

Notable Quotes

• Jason Moore [22:43]: “Mahomes is my number one, Mike's number one. But Mahomes had a down year... I'm going back to Pat Mahomes because Lamar Jackson's touchdown rate was just too unsustainable.”
• Andy Holloway [21:21]: “Mahomes is part of a great offense with explosive weapons.”
• Mike Wright [35:44]: “Dak is a really, really good quarterback... I think he's very, very safe... almost hit 5,000 yards.”
• Jason Moore [36:27]: “Josh Allen continues to dominate on the ground. That's why I've got him at number four.”
• Andy Holloway [20:22]: “The quarterback position is tough at the top... you are making a decision to go quarterback over another important position.”

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This episode provides a comprehensive analysis of the early QB rankings, emphasizing the strategic depth and critical considerations necessary for successful fantasy football drafting. Whether you're a seasoned manager or new to the game, the insights shared by Andy, Jason, and Mike offer valuable guidance to help you build a championship-winning roster.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, Foot Clan, what's up? We have a great show for you. It's coming momentarily. Stand by. But first, we want to remind you about the Ultimate Draft Kit because the NFL draft is almost here. And that means if you have pre ordered the Ultimate Draft kit, Mike, you get those dynasty and rookie rankings.

[Mike Wright]

I know I get them because I'm making them.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's true, that's true. You get Access Mike, Jason, earlier than.

[Mike Wright]

I get your rankings.

[Andy Holloway]

You get my rankings. But we're very excited about this. A lot of upgrades coming to the Ultimate Draft kit this year. And like I said, you get in now, you get some pre order bonuses and you get a chance at those dynasty and rookie rankings. Oh, a whole lot earlier than those league mates of yours. So check it out@ultimate draftkit.com.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the fantasy Footballers Podcast with your host, Andy Hawkins, Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Ah, welcome in the Fantasy Footballers. Excited to be with you once again. Thursday, April 16th. Mike and Jason joining me. I'm Andy Holloway.

[Mike Wright]

What's going on, everybody?

[Andy Holloway]

Al Borland, Judge Giamatti standing by.

[Mike Wright]

Enough of you, Jason.

[Jason Moore]

I am freaking out excited for next week. This coming week is going to be incredible. We have big announcements. The NFL draft is happening and I am like full, full into rookies right now. I cannot wait. I am, I'm so footballed up right now. I just want you two to know how you're footballing. I am. Oh, I'm sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Sitting in your high rise.

[Jason Moore]

That's right. That's right.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm up on the penthouse, quarantined and watching film.

[Jason Moore]

That's right.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Mike, how are you doing? Any breaking news from quarantine land?

[Mike Wright]

We're doing all right. We're doing all right over here. The breaking news would be I had eggs and potatoes for lunch.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the breaking news.

[Mike Wright]

That's the world we live in, man.

[Jason Moore]

Breaking news.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's check Jason's Dinty Moore soup count.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yes, that's a great point.

[Andy Holloway]

How many cans of Din Moore soup have you consumed?

[Jason Moore]

First of all, I know I'm Mr. Canned Food, but they aren't cans. There are packages. You just peel and microwave. It's fantastic. Wait, what? Yeah. Oh, you got, you've got. You can come over and pick up. You know, I'll leave them on the porch. You can come get 20 or 30. I've got plenty to spare. But they are delicious. I'm down three. I've eaten three of them.

[Andy Holloway]

I. We've been buying our groceries online, which means that there Are a lot of those situations where you get the replacement, you know, where someone is shopping for you and they say, would you prefer this or that? We did one of those and then we got the milk and the milk came a carton without the twist off. It was like an old fashioned, you know, the like bend and open milk.

[Jason Moore]

Cartons called the bend and smush.

[Mike Wright]

What, like, like a school lunch?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, like a school lunchtop. So the milk we got, did you still make that? I didn't know that either. It shocked me. I was like. It was just very strange.

[Jason Moore]

The other problem with online food ordering is produce. If you ask for bananas or avocados or whatever, you're getting the. You're getting the worst ones. The people that pick that stuff, you're getting the ones where it's like, well, leave the good ones for the customers who walk in and know what they're getting.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. What are you going to do?

[Mike Wright]

I mean, speaking of eating, Jason, the Jason Eats follow up video. We're all very, very excited for that thing to drop this Friday. How's the filming going? Has it happened?

[Jason Moore]

It is about to happen as soon as we finish recording this.

[Mike Wright]

Very nice.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not looking forward to it.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, are you hungry right now? Is that. That might change the opinion of the dish.

[Jason Moore]

I am actually starving at all times, so.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, you're always, you're always ready.

[Mike Wright]

That's my film.

[Andy Holloway]

Always ready to go.

[Mike Wright]

I'm always hungry.

[Andy Holloway]

You can see all of our episodes, including the very special once a week Jason eats episodes. YouTube.com the Fantasy Footballers Jam packed show. Diving into quarterbacks. If you're watching on YouTube, you can see I am getting very political on the show today, guys. Don't, don't hold me back. Don't stop me.

[Mike Wright]

I support this platform.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you? Okay. Because I am going Murray Hopkins, 2020 for President.

[Mike Wright]

I thought you were calling for a CO MVPs of the NFL.

[Andy Holloway]

That is acceptable, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Or one Super Bowl MVP, one regular MVP.

[Andy Holloway]

I think you'd go president, vice president, Super Bowl MVP, regular MVP. All of these things work for me. But no, very excited to get into it on this show. Talk about Kyler. Talk about some of the quarterbacks even further down on our consensus rankings. The kinds of value quarterbacks that we end up with in most of our leagues that can help, you know, deliver top tier numbers, but not with that top tier price tag.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

And then you can find us on twitter@the ff ballers. Instagram.com fantasy footballers. Quick question. Ties into the draft. Jason, you said you're very excited.

[Jason Moore]

Stoked.

[Mike Wright]

He's. He's footballed up.

[Andy Holloway]

He's footballed up. What are you most looking forward to? For me, it was just new stories. The rookie rankings and dynasty rankings. The fact that we can dig in, the fact that you can kind of wrap your head around a roster for these teams.

[Jason Moore]

Why is it no longer that.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you did say it was.

[Jason Moore]

You were very emphatic on the past tense there. You said for me it was, it was all of that.

[Andy Holloway]

But now it's my political platform.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

For me, I'm looking forward to the supreme technical difficulties. If this thing goes off without a bang, I, and the world will be so not surprised. Disappointed. I want the problems so bad. I want them to go to a camera and have, you know, Gettleman knock his binder.

[Mike Wright]

We've all seen the photo of Gettleman on his. With his little, little itty bitty laptop with the binder that could, that could be used as a murder weapon.

[Jason Moore]

Mounds of paper everywhere on that desk. That's gonna make it quick action.

[Andy Holloway]

There will be jokes. There will be lots and lots of jokes based on watching each and every room and, you know, the memes that are coming out of this thing, it's.

[Mike Wright]

Going to be great.

[Jason Moore]

But for me, ridiculous. The actual football thing, I am looking forward to. I want to see how high Jonathan Taylor goes because I think he's a supremely talented back, the best back in this class. But it doesn't seem like he has the buzz or the team needs at a high position. You know, we talk about the other, you know, backs that have gone in the top 10, whether it's Leonard Fournette or Christian McCaffrey or Zeke or these guys, it just doesn't seem like that can happen for any running back, but you know, especially for Jonathan Taylor. So that, to me is the one thing I'm watching for. Is he going to go in the first round because he needs that draft capital, that team to invest because he can carry that massive workload. And I hope a team is investing, you know, in telling us with their actions, we're going to give it to him.

[Andy Holloway]

I. We have draft related shows and draft reaction shows coming up pretty much all next week. Mike, what are you most looking forward to?

[Mike Wright]

So I am most looking forward to our big announcement that is happening next week and the follow up to said announcement. That's what I'm really looking forward to. It's going to be very, very special. But to do not just leave people with the tease of what's going to happen next week? Sort of like Jason, he wants to see how high Jonathan Taylor Thomas goes. I want to see. Does the NFL actually believe in this wide receiver class the way that fantasy and dynasty players have been touting them for? What's. It seems like the 2020 wide receivers have been being touted for about eight years now in dynasty land. So will four or five somehow end up in the first round or will it really just end up being Judy and C.D. lamb is the only first round wide receivers.

[Jason Moore]

It's interesting to me the depth at the position, the fact that there are legitimately, you know, more than five players that could be star NFL wide receivers. Does that make it to where more are drafted in the first or fewer? Because Push. Yeah, you go, well, look, it's such a deep class. I'm going to grab these positions that are more scarce in the first and I'm, I'll grab, you know, there's four guys I love, so I'll grab one of them in the second. You know, does, does it end up actually having the opposite effect on draft.

[Mike Wright]

Capital or does the run, the run happened where we had a couple years ago where it, it seemed like the, the wide receivers were not going to go early and then all of a sudden it was, it was Corey Davis. Was that, was that also the Mike Williams year? Corey Davis, Mike Williams and John Ross or stuff like they all just, they just rattled off in those first few picks.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm just to follow up on your Jonathan Taylor comment. I'm now curious because based on you saying you're excited about that, that infers that Jonathan Taylor's your number one before the draft where Swift is mine. I saw Silva come out with his list this past week. Mike, who do you have at the top of your running back board pre draft? Do you have Taylor?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Taylor's at the top. He's the guy I just, I like the most. It's a little, it's a little bit different for me because I usually fall in love with those guys who have the massive production in the passing game. But I believe that Taylor can be an absolute just beast of a man on the ground and I think that his hands are solid enough that he could like, like Leonard Fournette. We didn't. No one envisioned Leonard Fournette as a pass catching superstar. And not that he was necessarily great with all the opportunities he had last year, but he still caught a whole bunch of passes. Like I think Jonathan Taylor can, can do that except be a far better running back. Overall than Fournette.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's talk news.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's start here a report this morning about Joe Mixon, quote, prepared for a holdout if they can't reach a long term deal. He is obviously vastly underpaid in the moment. I think he's on the books to make like a million dollars this year. Does this concern you right now or are we just so far out that it's not of great concern to you?

[Jason Moore]

Concerns me immediately. If you, if you threaten a holdout, then there's a really good chance you, you end up missing games. And so yeah, I think this has an immediate effect. If you're doing best ball drafts, if you're doing, you know, some kind of startup draft now, I would certainly at the very least tie break with other guys in his tier that don't have the threat of non injury missing games.

[Andy Holloway]

It's interesting. The Bengals do appear ready to work with him on a new contract. The McCaffrey signing certainly. You know, I don't have any quotes from Mixon himself. This is a report out of the Athletic, but you have to imagine that that contract gets your brain going.

[Jason Moore]

I believe that Mixon did a cartwheel when he saw Christian McCaffrey's contract.

[Mike Wright]

He looked over, he said, I'll have one of those.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And the Bengals did the same.

[Mike Wright]

Please.

[Jason Moore]

The Bengals did the sit on the wall and slide down maneuver.

[Andy Holloway]

I think they'll get a deal done. I'm not concerned yet. But obviously when you hear the words hold out and what we faced in off seasons in recent years with certain.

[Mike Wright]

Players, hopefully Joe has watched specifically like what happened to Melvin Gordon where we don't have the numbers of what the Chargers were offering him. But I'm going to put the probability at 90 plus percent that they were offering him more money than he got from his new contract this year with his two year deal.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Speaking Tuesday, new Panthers Coach Matt Rule Jot Rule said he wanted to avoid having Christian McCaffrey on the field for every snap. This is not the first we've heard of that. We had reports early in this off season. People reached out to me talking about the fact that they have been keying in on some of these available rookie running backs to try to reduce the load of Christian McCaffrey. And then of course they went out and paid him all the money in the world. I my only opinion on McCaffrey is that he belongs at number one in fantasy football. But I can't imagine replicating the snap count and production of last year, that is not an insult to Christian McCaffrey. It's simply he was on the field for every single snap. And I believe the reports from multiple sources that they want to try to work somebody else in. It is the smart thing to do with a 60 plus million dollar investment, right?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it definitely is the smart thing to do. He doesn't need to be on the field every snap even to finish as the number one running back in fantasy football. I mean, nobody else in the league is, you know, at running back. All the other workhorse backs, you know, Zeke, he's not on the field anywhere near the same snaps that Christian McCaffrey is. You know, the Turner system believed that, you know, you show the same look and you know that he had Christian out there no matter what the play was. And I think it's wise give him a little bit of rest, give him a break. And, and I, and I do think they have to, you know, they just don't have anybody serviceable behind him. I think they need to kick the tires on this rookie draft class because they have to have. It's a running back position. You know, running backs go down. You have to be prepared.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you just didn't have options last year outside of McCaffrey either. And then we have Peter King reporting. The Jags are not expected to look at the quarterback position. They want Gardner to be the guy. You know, I think we all expected that to be the case once Foles left town, that they weren't going to replace him. Is that fair?

[Mike Wright]

If I were them, I would really want Gardner to be the guy because what's he have, three years left on that fifth or sixth round rookie deal? That's cashing in, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the rookie deal. I, from a mustache perspective, I'm a big fan.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. You guys are in the same club now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah, we're equally cool. Exactly the same. You got shorts on, I got nothing on.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah, you are as cool.

[Andy Holloway]

Way to know. Don't wait. Any other news that you guys have seen. I know Jay Glazer is talking about breaking some news. By the time you're listening to this, he will have already done it. But other, other than that, is there anything else that I had to look.

[Mike Wright]

Gardner Minshew will be paid $675,000 this.

[Jason Moore]

Year, NFL franchise quarterback to be a starter quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, that what they slide over to Joe Mixon and when he's debating he's asking for more money, they go, no, but look, the truth starting quarterback625.

[Mike Wright]

The truth is, if Gardner is the guy, he's not going to finish out his rookie deal on that. But it's certainly possible that they make him play this and next year before they give him a big raise.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. He's got to prove it. He's got to go out there and show that he's going to be a starter in the NFL. So we're going to talk quarterbacks here on out. Before we do that, I want to say thank you to Omaha Steaks for sponsoring today's show and sponsoring my stomach. If you're staying home, which we all are, there's never been a better time to order meat. That's what I'm saying. Just order tons meat and then grill it over and over and over again. You guys know the story. Omaha Steaks. They deliver the world's best steaks and a huge variety of family favorites. My son, he cooked up them caramel apple tartlets the other day.

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Andy Holloway]

Oh dear. All right, let's get into the quarterbacks.

[Jason Moore]

Quarterbacks.

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

All right, early quarterback rankings. We're going to go through as many as we can. Excited to talk about these guys. I know we've been digging in and there are a lot of questions out there that go beyond our consensus early April rankings. You know, where we have these guys right now, there are questions about, you know, longevity and where you would put them in dynasty leagues, how you look at them from a long term perspective. So we'll get into a lot of that. A reminder, a reminder we bring you each and every year. It might as well be a sponsored segment by us, but the quarterback position is tough at the top. I mean, nine out of the first 10 quarterbacks selected in last year's fantasy drafts finished lower than where they were drafted. And there's a lot of variables that come to quarterback play and predicting quarterback play year to year. And so when you are investing, remember when you're investing at the quarterback position in fantasy, you are making a decision to go quarterback over another important position, a position you start multiple players in. So that is where you are kind of weighing the value of these. These guys. Right.

[Jason Moore]

And positions that are much more difficult to replace. You know, if you're midway through the year and your running back goes down, it's very difficult to replace that if you're midway through the year and your quarterback goes down. I mean, we do a weekly streaming segment every single week where we're picking guys who are available on 50% of the waiver wire for, you know, your average leagues. And, you know, we put those quarterbacks together weekly and a couple years ago we tracked that. We ended up with our Frankenstein waiver wire quarterback as the quarterback six as far as scoring goes. So, yeah, I mean, this is one of those things where these early quarterbacks are great. Lamar Jackson, he was unbelievable, helped people win last year. But you drafted him late, Pat Mahomes, two years ago when you drafted him late. And he was. He was awesome. When you spend the early capital, they're phenomenal. They will be a good quarterback, but it probably won't play the game right. Unless they are throwing 50 touchdowns like Pat Mahomes did two years ago.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. It's just very difficult to get those kind of magical seasons over and over again. Our first two guys, you know who they're going to be. Maybe not the order. Our consensus ranks have Patrick Mahomes at 1, Lamar Jackson at 2. That is what both of you guys have. I have it in reverse. I have Lamar and then Mahomes. But these are the two most formidable, you know, fantasy options at the quarterback position. Mahomes dealt with the injury last year. We've talked about him a lot. He is part of a great offense. He has explosive weapons. A drive can end in two passes from Patrick Mahomes and change your fantasy outcome on any given week. And then Lamar, you know, the season he had, he was the difference maker. He was one of the most commonly owned players on any championship team. And a lot of that had to do with the fact you got him at a great value. Now you go into 2020 knowing the upside and potential of both these players. We've been through it with both these players. They have won many a fantasy league for owners. So when you look at Mahomes and Lamar Jackson, I mean, I'm not exactly sure where you want to go here, but one question that always comes up is where would you perceive them as a value? Being somebody that Looks for a late round quarterback. What round would you, would you say, okay, this is just too low for me to pass up.

[Jason Moore]

Some of that's going to depend on obviously how the ADP of other players pairs out late in the third. I would be, I would be a little, I would be a little curious. I would, I would, you know, and it's getting a little higher in the fourth round is probably the closest that I would actually pull the trigger on either guy. But usually in those third and fourth rounds there is a very solid running back or wide receiver. And obviously I've only got, you know, three other players. So I think the fifth, I would take them all without a doubt. And they will never be there in the fifth. So I don't expect to have Pat Mahomes or Lamar Jackson. Mahomes is my number one, Mike's number one. Andy, your number two, can't complain about that. But Mahomes had relatively a down year this last year. But he was awesome. He started the year and then, you know, okay, in weeks four through six he was disappointing because even though he was a quarterback one every single week, it was a lower end quarterback one. Then he got injured, so that game doesn't really count. He had a Mac game against the New England Patriots, which everyone did. Their defense was unbelievable. Denver is when he got injured and the Week 17 game, he was actually phenomenal all season. And I think, you know, if I have to bet a house payment on who finishes fantasy with more points this year, I'm going back to Pat Mahomes because Lamar Jackson's touchdown rate was just, just too unsustainable.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike, if the Ravens added a significant top tier weapon at wide receiver in the NFL draft, would that sway things for you at all? The reason I went with Lamar at one is simply because I think when Lamar goes off, those games are pretty insane. I mean, last year you saw it, you know, he finished first or second, I think six or seven times at the position. That's something that Mahomes only did one time through the course of the year. So there was a little bit more disappearing from Mahomes. It's splitting hairs. But is it the weapons for Lamar or just the special season that you expect to regress? Or are we even talk about it?

[Mike Wright]

It's regressing the special season. A touchdown rate of 9% is. It's just impossible. We've seen time after time when a player has a touchdown rate that's over about 7%. The average drop is multiple points. It's a very Very substantial drop. Again, arguing Lamar Jackson at number two seems like a ridiculous thing to be doing. But. But that's the only reason I go with Mahomes is I don't, I don't think Lamar can repeat the passing touchdown volume.

[Andy Holloway]

Lamar will go ahead of my homes.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

In all fantasy drafts. Mostly I can't. I would. You know, Dynasty might be different, a different story, but in a read, who.

[Mike Wright]

Would you rather have?

[Andy Holloway]

I think I would take Mahomes. Yeah, I would take Mahomes.

[Jason Moore]

Is that injury risk with all the running for Lamar Jackson, longevity of career.

[Mike Wright]

Even though one of them was hurt last year, the other one.

[Jason Moore]

There's an injury risk for every player. But how often you put yourself out there is the only way to do.

[Andy Holloway]

It's the percentage of your fantasy output is dependent upon running. That would slightly sway it for me.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Pat Mahomes could be an unbelievably good fantasy asset when he's 38 years old. Lamar Jackson isn't going to be running like, you know, an RB one at 38.

[Andy Holloway]

That being said, that would be the wrong call for Dynasty if Lamar gave you seasons like this for the next five years.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

I will take five of those over, you know, ping ponging, you know, touchdown numbers from homes and two years ago we saw this narrative play out. You know, the unsustainable touchdown rate for Patrick Mahomes, the regression down from that to still a great season. Dealing with the injuries, there are a lot of variables that can happen for any quarterback after a special year. At 3 and 4 we have Kyler Murray and Deshaun Watson. And when I saw these guys at 3 and 4, I thought to myself, well, that is nearly. There's no way that that would be the case if Hopkins was on the other quarterback's team. I think that that was the difference maker in again splitting hairs between a couple of great options. Jason and I have Kyler at three this year. Mike has him at five. Mike has Deshaun Watson still at number three and Jason and I have him at six. So I know Mike, you've talked to me about Watson and how you believe that he will be forced, he will be backed into the running totals that will, I assume you believe exceed 82 for 413 and 7 from last year.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm going to. When we stack guys out, I stuff the top of my head. It's hard to for me to see Desean Watson not above the 600 yard mark. Like I think he will run a lot more. And Brandon Cooks, he's not DeAndre Hopkins, but Brandon Cooks has still been a production monster in the NFL. So even though the tier of the quarterback or wide receiver has gone down, he's still surrounded by players that can go off every single week with Cooks. If Will Fuller somehow stayed healthy, like he's surrounded by elite weapons. And then just on top of that, having to run a bit more, I'm still very secure with DeSean Watson being that second tier of quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

And the D. Johnson brothers at running back are, you know, a quarterback's best friend. So he can go deep to three different incredible speedsters, dump it down to David Johnson or Duke Johnson. Be careful in accepting trades this year in platforms that just be careful on your drafts. Yes. Seriously.

[Mike Wright]

It'S going to happen.

[Andy Holloway]

It's going to happen.

[Mike Wright]

It will.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jason Moore]

As far as Kyler goes, Kyler's probably going to cost too much for me to have in any league. He'll be drafted as a top five quarterback. There's a chance that Deshaun Watson maybe drops out of that. I mean, he's my quarterback six, so I don't expect him to necessarily be drafted super high, but he could end up being a value. Kyler finished as the quarterback seven last year in a rookie year where he only threw 20 touchdowns. Because you have that rushing baseline now he gets. If you didn't have Hopkins coming to this team, you would be moving Kyler Murray up from seven based on him taking that leap in his year two, he would probably be a top five guy. But, oh, they added DeAndre Hopkins. So, yeah, I mean, it's. It's hard to argue against Kyler as the third quarterback off the board.

[Andy Holloway]

I think Kyler will still run for more yards than Watson will. That's, you know, that part of his game moves these guys way up the board. Obviously. Yeah. Last year, yeah, there's a theme.

[Mike Wright]

It's running quarterbacks.

[Andy Holloway]

One thing that was strange with Watson last year, even with the weapons that he had, is that he did have those kind of down games and then you knew the next game after would be great. But he did it like five times during the year. And I am a little bit concerned about the passing touchdown totals. I can get behind him being backed into running more often, but I don't know if that will equate to sustained drives for this offense on a regular basis. All those guys staying healthy, losing Hopkins around the goal line, that will be something interesting to watch for Deshaun Watson and whether this team can kind of maintain its offensive prowess. If David Johnson has something left in the tank, that'll be something to watch. And obviously Kyler going into year two at five and six we have Dakota Prescott and Russell Wilson. Now I thought there was a chance Mike would take Russ and you know, just throw him down to like 20, 30, maybe below will Greer. You would rank him down there. But your victory lap on Russell Wilson did not equate to a like a second tier.

[Mike Wright]

I've never been so right and so wrong at the exact same time.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Your victory lap was not a victory lap because you were.

[Mike Wright]

I lost.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. To refresh our listeners memory, what was the exact bet that Russ would be a top. What?

[Jason Moore]

Top 12.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I went all in. I said he would not finish as QB1.

[Andy Holloway]

Dang. That's a bad bet. Mike. That's just top 12 is a bad bet. That was a bad bet by you.

[Mike Wright]

I was being bold.

[Andy Holloway]

You needed to bet in a way that what happened last year gives you a win because you. Because what happened last year was that.

[Mike Wright]

You be won seven times.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly. And he finished as the QB4.

[Mike Wright]

That's not supposed to happen. No.

[Jason Moore]

He had monster games and disappearing acts. He was as hot, cold as any quarterback comes. And if you started Russell Wilson week in and week out every, you know, you the quarterback four, if you just started him every week, your team lost a lot of games.

[Andy Holloway]

It's interesting because I do think Wilson is primed for a end of year statistical season at the same level of last year, if not better. I mean they added Greg Olson, Philip Dorset, another year with DK Metcalf, and then Wilson just finds a way. He's the one player that kind of takes unsustainable touchdown rates and just makes them a habit.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And he. The problem, what, what hurts me so much is that Russell Wilson should be a top three guy. It's. It's not Russell Wilson who's holding himself back. It's the offense. It's the way that they choose to. That Pete Carroll is approaching the NFL with the, with the run heavy offense. I, it's. I can't argue with the results for the most part. The Seahawks have been extremely successful in the last four last few years. It just sucks to see a player of Russell Wilson's talent and ability to be hamstrung by the guys in charge.

[Andy Holloway]

It's by the way, 30 plus passing touchdowns in four of the last five years for Russell Wilson.

[Mike Wright]

That's insane.

[Andy Holloway]

This is where fantasy football kind of ruins the appreciation for ordinary NFL success. Right. Because they've been like you said, they've been a great team. They've been. They've had better than better years than we expected them to do based on the rosters that they were putting out there over and over and over again. Validating a system that doesn't lean on Russell the way that Kansas City leans on Patrick Mahomes. But we all just have that curiosity we want to see what would Russell do if he was with Andy Reid or in a system that let him chuck it.

[Jason Moore]

He would dominate. That's what he would do. So back to Dak, our number five quarterback. I was surprised to see both of you guys have him up at number four. I've got him down at seven. Obviously he finished quarterback two last year. An excellent season. The changes in the offense with the new head coach Mike McCarthy coming in, the fact that he threw for 596 passes last year, I don't expect them to stay that pass, you know, heavy. However, they did retain the same offensive coordinator and historically speaking, Mike McCarthy was always yelled at for, you know, not running the ball more. So what are your guys reasons for putting dak up at 4?

[Andy Holloway]

This is a respect thing for me. I mean he just had a solid fantasy year where Amari Cooper disappeared at times, was injured at times. And the weapons, you know, Gallup coming into, you know, coming into his own at the position, I just think the weapons with what they're going to put on Dak, you know, he belongs in that top five for me after the QB2 finish. Mike, what were your reasons?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's it. His, his weapons are, are fantastic. I kind of alluded to it during our wide receiver talk that I think that of the teams that have a chance to have two wide receivers in the top 20, I think that Dallas has some of the highest odds in the NFL. On top of that, Dak is a really, really good quarterback. I mean he was one of the most accurate guys going down the field last year. They, and they. The fact that Zeke is there, it just, it helps. I mean you teams can't decide they can't sell out to stop one aspect of the Dallas offense. If you sell it, stop the run. Dak will crush you. If you sell this to, to stop Dak, then Zeke will crush you. So I think that that Dak and Dak has the rushing ability as well. His rushing touchdowns were actually down a little bit, but he is, those first few years he was like six rushing touchdowns every single year. That gives you a nice little bonus every once in a while. I think that he's very, very safe. And he almost hit 5,000 yards.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's what impressed me. That's how racing need to run. He didn't get the rushing touchdowns last year. 277 on the ground, three touchdowns. It was all of the air.

[Mike Wright]

Allegedly dealing with a banged up Amari Cooper. That narrator use the quotes. And Michael Gallup missed a couple games as well.

[Jason Moore]

That narrative about the Amari Cooper, that's the thing that does excite me for the, you know, the high end Dak, if you want to put him at number four or even at number three because you look at the, you know how he was the first 11 weeks of the season. He was unbelievable from week 12 on. Four of his six games, he wasn't even a top four 15 quarterback. And those were the weeks where, you know, Amari was injured and struggling and I, you know, I remember.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. Matchups. New England in New England, Chicago in Chicago.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Tough matchups. And, you know, I just want to remind us all, do you remember the games where Amari Cooper was out there and he was just a decoy? I mean, he looked like he couldn't run, he couldn't cut. He just was a guy struggling to exist on the field. And so, you know, there is upside if both those guys stay healthy and Amari Cooper isn't just the 5050 man, but if he's actually the $100 million man, then Dax should finish great.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

At 7.

[Andy Holloway]

Josh Allen, 8. Drew Brees. Allen is kind of the inverse of Dak in terms of the rankings with Mike and I and Jason. Jason has Josh allen up at 4. The addition of Stefan Diggs, the Bills. I'm a big Bills fan this year. Josh Allen passed for 3,000 yards last year, 20 touchdowns. I'm fine getting behind him, taking a bit of a leap. Obviously he's, he can run the football. I have a hard time getting up to four, but I'd love to see it, Jay. I'd love to see it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, you know, he was the quarterback six this last season and he was a little bit disappointing because he was consistent but never gave you those big blow up games. But we saw from his rookie season that he can absolutely give big blow up games. He had monster performances with his rushing and his the back half of that rookie season once he got back from injury. So if he finished at six, he's still maturing as, you know, a quarterback. And then you add Stefan Diggs to this lineup, I felt I had to move him up. You know, this is A guy who had nine rushing touchdowns this last year. So the 20 pass, it's very Cam Newton esque. And Cam Newton was pretty much always a top six quarterback if he played the season, usually a top three quarterback because you had so many rushing touchdowns that when you get down near the goal line, he is your most effective weapon at running the ball in. And so, you know, how would you feel if he had 29 passing touchdowns and all those. I'm saying he scored 29 touchdowns. They were just rushing. Which is more valuable for fantasy. The theme Mike was saying earlier of those top guys are all outside of Mahomes. They are all so good at running the ball because that's the cheat code in fantasy football where you know it's scored different when you have rushing yards versus passing yards. I think Josh Allen continues to dominate on the ground. That's why I've got him at number four.

[Andy Holloway]

There is an argument to, I mean Stefan Diggs, I believe he was number two in the NFL and 20 plus yard catches outside, I think Golladay was number one, Diggs was number two. Allen is, I know we talk about his efficiency problems, but his completion or his completion percentage problems. But in part that's because he's willing to throw the ball up. And when Kirk Cousins threw the ball up, Diggs was generally open. So there is a world where you get more explosive plays from Allen this year. You should get more explosive plays from Allen this year. The way that you saw them two years ago when you had some more of those deep passes. We didn't get a lot of those with John Brown.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well, I mean we had, there was still quite a, quite a few of them. Josh Allen was a far smarter quarterback this year, which, that's great. I mean we need to see him progress and become a better player. The problem with me buying into Josh Allen really being rush heavy is his rookie year at the end when, when he really went off, it's because his number two or his top two targets in that offense were Zay Jones and Kelvin Benjamin. This year the rushing clearly went down. I mean it dropped from, from 52 yards a game down to 31 because he had capable weapons. And now they've added in possibly whatever. Stevon Diggs is a top 10 wide receiver in the NFL. It takes away from Josh Allen's desire to run. Like he doesn't have to put the entire team on his back when they're trying to make a playoff push. At the end of the year he's got weapons. So I, Josh Allen Will be fine. But I think it's. It's a bit more of the same for him this year.

[Andy Holloway]

Drew Brees at 8. Drew Brees had a incredible season marred by injury, but in my opinion, one of the biggest winners of free agency, Emmanuel Sanders arrives in New Orleans. This is probably Drew Brees last year. I don't buy into the fact that Sean Payton had made it kind of a mistake. And then when you, when you follow that up with signing an eventual contract with NBC, Drew Brees signing the contract, saying, as soon as I do retire, I'm yours. Which, this is new. This reminds me of like a recruiting deal for like a Khali or a high school athlete going to a college. This might have to happen now with the success of Tony Romo, player. Players are going to start signing eventual contracts.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Tony Romo, I mean, he got himself paid, but he got a lot of other players paid, too.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And so. And these quarterbacks are seeing that they can maybe make more money in the post career than they can. I mean, Romo's making more money now than he ever did playing. But Breeze Sitting at 8, that seems like the right place. We've got them all similarly ranked. 8, 8, 7. You certainly don't get mobility with Drew Brees. You get efficiency with Drew Brees. That's what he's going to give you. The weapons that he has, you know, they don't drop the football. So Breeze is the most accurate quarterback in football. And then you've got two of the most, you know, the best hands in football or four of the best hands, I guess between Sanders and Thomas.

[Jason Moore]

I was going to say handsiest, but they're just good at catching the football.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you don't want necessarily the handsiest.

[Jason Moore]

The weapons are, I think, the best that Drew Brees has had an extremely long hall of Fame career, and this year, I think, are his best weapons he's ever had. When you have Michael Thomas at his peak, Emmanuel Sanders, who still was great last year, Jared Cook and Alvin Camara, I mean, Jared Kuk, he, you know, that's the reason that I think Drew Brees has success this year when it comes to the breakdown between passing touchdowns and rushing touchdowns, maybe it swings a little bit more towards the rushing and gets back to normal, but I still think with those weapons, he's just going to cut defenses apart. Even at his old age.

[Mike Wright]

Drew Brees was the quarterback three in points per game the from the game he returned from injury against Arizona, and that includes an absolute stinker against Atlanta in week 13. So, yeah, Drew Brees at 8, it feels. It feels comfy. Although I think that he certainly could finish a lot higher than eight.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Aaron Rodgers, our consensus quarterback. Nine. I don't even feel amazing about that. Matt Ryan at 10. Rogers, last year I did the math, guys. It was complex arithmetic. I was happy Starting Aaron Rodgers 37% of the time last year. That is not what he built his career on. For fantasy owners, having him at nine. I just don't know if I'm going to take Aaron Rodgers in any league. I think I'm going to be looking for more upside elsewhere.

[Jason Moore]

I agree. You watched him last year. He didn't look the same. He torched some terrible defenses. You know, Philly early in the season was as bad as you get. Oakland, Oakland and Kansas City early in the season. The first half of the season was they didn't get their defense turned around until late. He was top three against those guys. But outside of, you know, if he's not playing the Giants, he pretty much was really bad the majority of the season. We talk about if you started week in and week out. Russell Wilson, it's probably more often that people, because of the name, started week in, week out. Aaron Rodgers, and he was not good, not good for the majority of the season outside of five good games.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. For Aaron Rodgers. My thought process is I'm not going to boldly proclaim that Aaron Rodgers doesn't have it anymore. He's just, he will end up being a player that I'm willing to be wrong about. Like, I won't draft him if, if he goes off and he has another great fantasy quarterback season, I'm happy for him. I'm just, I'm willing to be wrong and pass on.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he's going to drop down my rankings. I think when the draft happens and additional weapons are added elsewhere, Rogers is going to end up lower in my list by the time the season starts. Matt Ryan, number 10 last year was interesting. Ended up still over 4400 passing yards, 26 touchdowns, 14 interceptions. Todd Gurley arrives, but Austin Hooper's out the door. They added a Hayden Hurst. They might add another weapon in the draft, but where are you with Matty Ice?

[Jason Moore]

He's just a solid quarterback, you know what I mean? Like, he's not one of those guys you're excited for. You're not going to take him high for some crazy great finish.

[Andy Holloway]

Now, Jason, you've been firm on the ping pong narrative and it came true. If you're looking double digits, QB7 in 2014, then QB19, highly radical, then QB15, then QB2 last year QB11. That means this year he has to be the quarterback too.

[Mike Wright]

These trends continue.

[Jason Moore]

I think that that's how math works and so you are correct. It's going to be tough when you lose Austin Hooper to be much better. But you know, he did miss a game in there and was injured for another. So I, you know, I think that this is a better season for fantasy upcoming in 2020 than before. But I don't see him as a top flight option. I will almost certainly bypass him in my draft. I'm not excited about upside, about monster games but weak winning performances. He's just a solid back that at the end of the year will finish, you know, as probably a quarterback one low end quarterback one. And that's not what I want.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the first time I've heard a quarterback called a back before. But I guess it's accurate. I mean, I guess that's true.

[Mike Wright]

He's a Cuban.

[Jason Moore]

He's as much a back as a our back.

[Andy Holloway]

I think I would take, I mean they're back to back in our rankings here. I think I would take Matt Ryan over Rogers most of the, most of the time here.

[Jason Moore]

Oh man, if they cost the same, I would take Rogers. But it is brutal.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it is. It is, man. All right, 11 and 12, Carson Wentz at 11, Matthew Stafford at 12. Wentz just 10.4 yards per completion last year, the third worst in football. It is a fair story, narrative, whatever you want to call it to say he had no one. I mean that is true. He had a beat up offensive line for a large period of the year and he had no wide receivers for a large period of the year.

[Jason Moore]

Lost djax, lost Alshon for a little bit. Still had to have Nelson Aguilar on the field. Those are three strikes, you know, three strikes against you. Yeah, I mean you saw it at the end of the season when Boston Scott became primary.

[Andy Holloway]

Greg Ward.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Became a primary target. So you know, you now granted you say okay, well what's really changed? Hopefully D. Jacks is healthy but he's older and he always misses games. Alshon, hopefully he's healthy but he's older and he always misses games. You know, it's like are you going to have confidence in wince if they draft, you know, Jalen Rager as a year one, you know, now Carson Wentz is going to be better.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll have confidence and I'll wins.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, that's what I like.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah. I like it.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike, stat. I mean with Matthew Stafford, I know that you are excited about his potential. Sitting here at 12, do we think that this is the value pick that has stood out from our list so far?

[Mike Wright]

So far, yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I would go that way.

[Mike Wright]

He was, he only played eight games, but in those eight games he was a top six quarterback. 50% of those, 50% of the time he's surrounded by two great wide receivers. Maybe we can get an entire season of carry on Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe.

[Mike Wright]

I don't, I don't really know if fingers, fingers will be crossed. But I don't see any reason for Stafford to change the way that he was. The way that he was throwing it down the field. Like when he was active, he had the most Stafford, he had the most passes of 20 plus air yards. Like he was getting after it. Like vintage Stafford. The back injury. I mean this is multiple years in a row now where we've had Stafford have an injury problem. So that is certainly a concern.

[Andy Holloway]

But isn't that the first time he missed any games or you.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, he was not the first.

[Mike Wright]

Time ever when he. Don't remember him coming into the game.

[Andy Holloway]

He played 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 consecutive 16 game season since 2011 when he came in, he's been pretty good.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. When he came in the league he had some injuries, was labeled as injury prone, then became the toughest guy out there. I think what Mike's referring to, he didn't miss any games the year prior.

[Andy Holloway]

There were rumors about the back came.

[Jason Moore]

Out in the off season that he was playing injured with the back injury, which is what.

[Mike Wright]

And you know, he, his play fell apart too at the end of the year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Last year when you saw what happened, it made sense. So I'm just saying it is a little bit of a concern we do have. We have him at 12. Very curious how fantasy players treat Matthew Stafford in the draft.

[Jason Moore]

Like he'll be drafted as like quarterback 20.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's what I would think.

[Andy Holloway]

But yeah, players like not positive. Tannehill, Brady, they'll go ahead of him. Tannehill's at 13 on our list. He had the best yards per completion in the NFL. I thought this was funny. I looked this up earlier. Tannehill had 22 touchdowns on 201 completions. That is a ridiculous touchdown rate per completion. Jared Goff was the inverse. He had 22 touchdowns on 392 completions. So Tannehill basically put up the same touchdown totals on half the completions as Jared Goff that's, that's kind of stunning, is it not?

[Jason Moore]

Well, that's why people are all hot and bothered over A.J. brown. Some of those, you know, passes that. Sure, it's a 20 yard pass, that's great. But now it goes for 60 and a touchdown. Thank you. A.J. brown and the weapons are there. You've got to, you've got to play to stop the run. Against the Titans, I believe that Tannehill is good. He can also run the ball. He had four rushing touchdowns and he continued that in the playoffs. So I think he's a very good option. It just depends on adp. Is he going to be, you know, when he played right. He didn't get to start to week seven. From that point on he was the quarterback. Three, does he get drafted with that kind of respect? Then I'm probably going to be out. I don't think he gets that respect. Which means I'll be in on Tannehill. Because if you're trying to get a guy who can do the big blow up games, the big performances, I think that, you know, Tannehill, Tannehill can do that.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Wentz at 11. Stafford at 12, Tannehill at 13. Tom Brady at 14. I want to remind listeners, seventh most passing yards last year in the NFL. Fourth most pass attempts, fifth most 20 plus yard completions to the noodle armed concerned Baker at 15. Not a good year last year. Third worst completion percentage sacked 40 times, 21 interceptions. Fourth worst turnover rate overall.

[Jason Moore]

And looked like every single one of those stats you just said. You know what I mean? Like sometimes are misleading. That was just like it doesn't matter if you're a film guy or a stack guy. Analytics. It was all bad for Baker.

[Andy Holloway]

For the record, he will not look that way again because the Browns just introduced much better uniforms.

[Mike Wright]

All right, Uniform bump.

[Andy Holloway]

Big uniform bump. The stripes are fire.

[Mike Wright]

I'm saying like, I mean if you feel better about how you look, maybe he performs better.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. More stripes, less turnovers. That's what they say. Daniel Jones commercials.

[Jason Moore]

More touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

Daniel Jones at 16. That is Mike's fault.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Big Ben at 17, Jared Goff at 18. Fault.

[Mike Wright]

You mean that he's that high?

[Andy Holloway]

Correct. It is your. It is. You're to blame for that high of a ranking for Daniel Jones. But it's okay. I don't mind it.

[Jason Moore]

It is ironic because he's at 16 and Andy and I both have him at 17.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, do we? Yeah, I do. I don't have our individuals there.

[Mike Wright]

How dare you move him up one spot.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, when I, when I look at Daniel Jones, the amount of kind of gunslinging he did last year, it had its ups and downs to it, but it's hard to look at him and look at Baker. And then if for some reason the Browns do lose Odell Beckham, I mean, how do you get excited about Baker, Hooper, Landry? I mean, this is going to be on a Stefanski led team. This will be the Nick Chubb Kareem Hunt show with Baker managing an offense. In that case, I would be going Jones over Mayfield. And you know, you can't just bank on draft capital to make Mayfield a great fantasy option. It doesn't work that way. Otherwise Daniel Darnold would be here.

[Mike Wright]

Daniel Jones had 24 passing touchdowns. Baker was the one who set the rookie record a couple years ago at 27. Daniel Jones essentially played 12 games. Like he certainly would have broken the record. And we, it's funny that we kept having these discussions of which. Which one of the Giants wide receivers, who's actually the number one wide receiver, who's the guy that you prefer? Evan Ingram might be the number one target for that offense. I mean, can he stay on the field? That remains to be seen. But we do know when Engram was out there, Daniel Jones was giving him a ton of targets. And Evan Ingram is a, is a game changing tight end. So if this is a full powered, healthy offense, I really like Daniel Jones. Upside, if he can stop fumbling the ball so much, he just needs to.

[Andy Holloway]

Fumble it into like Saquon's arms and that will be fine. Big Ben at 17, Jared Goff at 18, Jimmy Garoppolo at 19 and Philip Rivers at 20. When I saw those two names, I can promise you now my, I will take Philip Rivers over Jimmy G for the upside. Jimmy Garoppolo last year, if you want, you know, the talks of Brady to San Francisco, San Francisco fans don't want the rental. But Jimmy G last year, lowest average depth of target in the NFL, 6.5 yards through deep balls on 6.5% of passes. The lowest in the NFL that you combine those two and it's like Alex Smith's wet dream. I mean that was just a, not a game manager type of season from Jimmy Garoppolo.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I mean, he's surrounded by weapons that excel though, with that, that, that type of work. I mean, the, the man, the, the man himself, Debo Samuel, when you give him the, you want him to be working in space and just getting the ball out of Jimmy Garoppolo's hands.

[Andy Holloway]

Philip Rivers at 20. Jason, you talked about him recently when we were talking about Ty Hilton being put in that system. Great offensive line. You need that for the immobile Philip Rivers. Do they need another weapon though, for him to move up from this 20 ranking? Do you need to give somebody, put somebody else on the outside other than Ty Hilton?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I don't think they have the core that is good enough. I wasn't a huge Paris Campbell believer. And while I think Jack Doyle will be fine for fantasy, I think he is not who you want to basically be your number two option. You know, if I'm in this range, the two guys that I like are Ben Roethlisberger and Jared Goff because both can explode, have big games. You know, those last five weeks when for golf. For golf he was much better. And that was with the system where you had cup and cooks splitting time. So golf is a little bit intriguing to me because he'll be free. Nobody's drafting him. And then of course, Big Ben was great for fantasy but then got injured. Now people aren't going to want the older guy that they haven't seen post injury. So he will probably be free. And if he comes back to health, then you just are stealing a great fantasy option. Undrafted. There are. There are several completely undrafted quarterbacks this year that at least have a pathway to being a really great fantasy option. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And is this the part of the show where I am able to get political again and stump for CD Lam to Arizona. So that way, yes, just all of them. Murray Hopkins, but also CD Lamb maybe, and then Fitzgerald and then Kurt and then Isabella and no offensive line. This is the part.

[Jason Moore]

Then trade up for Judy.

[Andy Holloway]

Aren't you willing to vote for that? That platform?

[Mike Wright]

I'm in for fantasy.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

For fantasy. That's all I care about. Also super bowl champion Arizona Cardinals on the way. All right. We want to thank Pristine Auction for supporting the podcast. Great friends of the show and Alan Robinson signed Jersey $58.50 yesterday at pristine.

[Mike Wright]

Auction.Com was they're here in Jason disrespecting Alan Robinson.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me unbelievable something. Part of the brilliance of Pristine Auction is not only getting a great autograph piece of memorabilia from a favorite player very inexpensively, but it's. It's that when you do that, you have something to brag about.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

It's like I stole this for this price.

[Jason Moore]

You have preseason power up.

[Andy Holloway]

I was doing, you know how people talk with their hands. I was talking with my hands and I Just swiped the sound board.

[Mike Wright]

I might have played that with my mind.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think you did. That's Mike's favorite drop. He was so excited about Pristine Auction. This is a p. He was powered up.

[Andy Holloway]

Didn't. Your Goofy. Your. Your. You're a Goofy movie guy.

[Mike Wright]

Oh.

[Andy Holloway]

How do you not have a Goofy Movie tattoo on your body? I feel like that it's. It's at the right time.

[Mike Wright]

Look, it's a. It's a fair question. I don't know. Maybe if I found the right artists, I could get a power line tattoo.

[Andy Holloway]

When was your last tattoo?

[Mike Wright]

A long time ago, man. Way too long.

[Andy Holloway]

Was it before we started the podcast?

[Mike Wright]

No, no. I got sleeved up.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that's right.

[Mike Wright]

Like basically when we got our new space. But it was the 25th anniversary of the Goofy movie. It was a sensational week of celebrating the. The. The greatest animated picture that Disney has ever produced. Had it. Had an excellent time with that.

[Andy Holloway]

You. It's almost like you're sponsored by the Goofy movie, which.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Hashtag, not a sponsor.

[Andy Holloway]

Doesn't make any sense. But you would. You would take it.

[Jason Moore]

The Goofy Movie out there, throwing cash out there. This is their time to pay me, man.

[Mike Wright]

I'll be the spokesperson for the.

[Andy Holloway]

You already are. Yeah. Yeah. We find out Mike's been paid all these years. All right. Just to close out what I was saying before I hit preseason power up for no reason. Pristineauction.com use the code ballers when you sign up over there and get a $10 credit. Very excited about our announcement for next week. Very excited about the NFL draft and our rookie shows. This is going to be a lot of fun. I mean, this is. We finally have the NFL back in the spotlight where it needs to be. The guys are nodding.

[Mike Wright]

Well, Jason's just footballed up. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

In his high rise.

[Jason Moore]

You know what I'm saying? That's what mom always said.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Foot Clan, that's it for us. Thanks for tuning in for listening. Check out Jason eats tomorrow on YouTube.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

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