Fantasy Football 2017 - Commish Tips + NFC West Breakdown

Summary

Fantasy Football 2017 - Commish Tips + NFC West Breakdown

Release Date: August 4, 2017

In this engaging episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright delve into essential commissioner tips and provide a comprehensive analysis of the NFC West teams ahead of the upcoming fantasy football season. Skipping over the introductory segments and advertisements, the trio offers valuable insights and strategic advice for both new and seasoned fantasy league commissioners, followed by an in-depth breakdown of the Seattle Seahawks, Arizona Cardinals, Los Angeles Rams, and San Francisco 49ers.

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Commissioner Tips

The episode kicks off with a segment dedicated to assisting new league commissioners in fostering a high-quality and enjoyable fantasy football league.

Key Recommendations:

1. Avoid Restrictive Roster Transactions

   • Andy Holloway emphasizes the importance of flexibility: “Don't limit roster transactions.” (03:43)
   • Jason Moore concurs, highlighting the need for simplicity: “Don't get too cute with things... [focus] on the people.” (03:45)

2. Foster Effective Communication Channels

   • Establish platforms where league members can interact, trade, and engage actively. Options like Slack, Facebook, or official league apps are suggested to keep everyone connected and informed.

3. Optimize League Size

   • Mike Wright advises against inflating league sizes unnecessarily: “Maybe it's better to have a solid 8 or 10 team league with good owners than a 12 team league with 2 or 3 bad apples that are going to ruin the experience for everybody.” (04:27)
   • Maintaining a balanced number of teams ensures competitiveness and reduces the impact of inactive or unreliable league members.

4. Encourage Active Participation

   • Active engagement is crucial for league longevity and enjoyment. Commissioners should promote regular participation and enthusiasm among all members.

5. Promote the Podcast

   • Jason Moore suggests leveraging the podcast to enhance league quality: “Tell your entire league about this show. Right, because then everybody becomes better and it's just more fun.” (05:04)

Notable Quote:

“A great fantasy football league is great because you have awesome people there and you're communicating.” – Jason Moore (03:45)

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NFC West Breakdown

Transitioning to the NFC West, the hosts provide a detailed analysis of each team, focusing on player performances, potential injuries, and strategic moves that could influence fantasy football outcomes.

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Seattle Seahawks

Russell Wilson's Performance and Injury Risks

• Mike Wright examines Wilson’s consistency: “He ended up a top 12 QB... but the percentage has been declining each year.” (13:13)
• Concerns about Wilson’s injuries and offensive line struggles are discussed, impacting his draft position in fantasy leagues.

Wide Receiver Analysis

• Jason Moore critiques Doug Baldwin’s boom-or-bust nature: “He really is not [consistent] for fantasy. He has been a boom bust, a touchdown reliant player for those big games.” (19:22)
• Andy Holloway and Jason Moore debate the reliability of other receivers like Tyler Lockett and Paul Richardson, highlighting their potential and injury histories.

Notable Quote:

“Russell Wilson doesn't. Isn't there an injury risk that maybe places him in this late seventh appropriately versus saying he deserves to be ahead of that?” – Mike Wright (16:35)

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Arizona Cardinals

Quarterback and Offensive Line Improvements

• Jason Moore discusses Carson Palmer’s adaptation: “He had like the majority of his throws came in under two seconds from the snap.” (26:17)
• Emphasis on the Cardinals' improved offensive line and its positive effect on Palmer's performance and overall team offense.

Running Back Dynamics

• The uncertainty surrounding Joe Mixon and the rise of Jeremy Hill are analyzed: “There are three legitimate NFL starting caliber running backs on that team.” (08:14)
• Mike Wright suggests a cautious approach towards drafting Mixon due to his fluctuating involvement and injury history.

Wide Receiver Concerns

• Jason Moore expresses skepticism about John Brown’s health and performance: “I don't think he's going to be able to be healthy this season.” (30:45)

Notable Quote:

“If John Brown can actually... I do think there will be a bounce back for the offensive, you know, totality for the Cardinals.” – Jason Moore (29:48)

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Los Angeles Rams

Todd Gurley’s Potential and Offensive Enhancements

• Mike Wright fervently supports Todd Gurley: “I am very, very optimistic about Todd Gurley this year. I think he offers fantasy owners a top five potential player at a good value.” (34:20)
• Discussion on the Rams' improved offensive line with the addition of Andrew Whitworth and its benefits for both Gurley and Jared Goff’s protection.

Running Back Debate: Gurley vs. Lamar Miller

• Jason Moore controversially places Gurley higher than Lamar Miller, emphasizing Gurley’s volume: “He... He is going to be okay as your RB2.” (36:31)
• Andy Holloway remains skeptical, focusing on Gurley’s past performance and injury risks: “I don't think that he's bad by any stretch.” (35:20)

Notable Quote:

“If you have the depth and you think that by the end of this year... you have to buy that.” – Mike Wright (09:36)

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San Francisco 49ers

Coaching Changes and Player Acquisitions

• Mike Wright highlights the impact of new head coach Kyle Shanahan and key acquisitions like Pierre Garcon and Brian Hoyer: “They bring in Kyle Shanahan, new head coach...” (34:20)
• Jason Moore praises Garcon’s potential under Shanahan: “He is just such a complementary piece to a fantasy roster.” (44:55)

Offensive Strategy and Receiver Potential

• Emphasis on the 49ers' shift to a more structured offensive system and how it benefits receivers like Garcon and newcomer players.
• Andy Holloway points out Garcon’s experience with Shanahan: “He brought Pierre Garcon before... He wanted to get Pierre Garcon and his team.” (43:35)

Notable Quote:

“They are using technology to track every single thing done. And once a player reaches whatever their load is... they shut him down.” – Jason Moore (28:42)

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Best Ball Segment

In addition to the main breakdown, the hosts introduce their weekly Best Ball segment, explaining its mechanics and encouraging listeners to participate. Jason Moore emphasizes the importance of consistency in Best Ball leagues, advising players to prioritize reliable performers over high-ceiling boom-or-bust candidates.

Key Takeaways:

• Jason Moore: “Consistency is great. Don't rely on the super boom bust until the late picks.” (48:49)
• Mike Wright and Andy Holloway discuss practical tips for excelling in Best Ball formats, such as targeting players with steady performances rather than sporadic high scores.

Notable Quote:

“One of my tips that I think is not said enough is do not discount consistency... they're going to crack your roster every single week.” – Jason Moore (48:49)

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Closing Remarks

The episode concludes with reminders about their live Best Ball drafts and encourages listeners to engage with their content through social media and the official website. The hosts express enthusiasm for the upcoming NFL season and the strategies they’ve discussed throughout the episode.

Final Thought:

“You have this awesome draft... [and] if your team has the most points, you win the prize.” – Jason Moore (50:21)

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This comprehensive episode serves as an invaluable resource for fantasy football enthusiasts, offering actionable commissioner advice and detailed team analyses to navigate the complexities of the 2017 NFL season effectively.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

Hey, this is Martavius Bryant, aka Marty McBride. Hey. This is Fred Jackson. This is hall of Famer Marshall Falk. Hey.

[Andy Holloway]

This is Alan Robinson.

[Mike Wright]

Hey. This is Abdulah.

[Jason Moore]

Hey.

[Mike Wright]

This is Willie Sneel. Hey. This is David Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

This is Christian Michaels. Hi. This is Eric Dickinson, NFL hall of Famer. And you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from the Play Draft Studios with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

Ah, it's Friday.

[Andy Holloway]

It's Friday.

[Mike Wright]

We have cut the ribbon. The fantasy football and NFL seasons.

[Andy Holloway]

It has begun.

[Mike Wright]

It has begun, albeit the hall of Fame game.

[Andy Holloway]

So hall of Fame.

[Mike Wright]

Is it wrong of me to admit that I did not watch that game in a entirety?

[Andy Holloway]

I did not watch single snap of it. It's the hall of Fame game, man.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. When the coaches are like, I don't want this game. I don't care about this game.

[Mike Wright]

It's hard listening to Chris Collinsworth and Al Michaels commentate that game, you know.

[Andy Holloway]

Like you're having for them to commentate.

[Mike Wright]

You're having to make a lot out of, you know, a third string player on the first snap.

[Andy Holloway]

I hear there was a lot of excitement for Blaine Gabbard.

[Jason Moore]

He did look good, I see. I actually did watch the game.

[Andy Holloway]

He torched those fifth string defenders.

[Jason Moore]

He's got a strong arm. And when nobody is playing defense and they're really bad defenders. He's okay. He's pretty good.

[Mike Wright]

I mentioned Rico Gathers in the studio a few days ago.

[Andy Holloway]

You did.

[Mike Wright]

He's very large. Six six, 290. Couple great catches. Three for 59 and a touchdown. Bryce Butler flashed a little bit. We've seen him do that before in the preseason. Those were kind of the headliners for me. I mean, not a lot of work for Chad Williams. Nice to see him on the field. Lots more to come, preseason wise. I obviously look forward to Weeks 1, 2 and 3 of the preseason for a chance to kind of pass the eye test. But Mike obviously saw Enough from Rico gathers to throw him onto his dynasty roster this morning. And Jason Whitten, he's not going to be here forever, despite what he'll tell you.

[Andy Holloway]

That was exactly my thinking. And it was. I had a burner spot. Might as well throw them on.

[Mike Wright]

All right, great. Quick question of the day coming in off of Twitter. By the way, you can follow us on Twitter at the ffballers, follow Mike at ffhipitman, follow Jason ffl. You can follow me at Andy Holloway. And the website is thefantasyfootballers.com we welcome you in to another episode. We are five days a week now, so make sure you subscribe. Leave us those itunes reviews. We're going to do another giveaway that that's related to those honest itunes reviews. So we appreciate them. They help the show. All right, guys, quick question of the day. Is commissioner related? Okay. This one comes in off of Twitter from Eric. He says what are some basic tips for a first time commissioner to have a quality league? So simple question. What are some tips and tricks we can give to first time commissioners to help them enjoy, you know, make a more enjoyable league, do things the right way, not end up in a bad situation.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't limit roster transactions.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, mercy me, that's my hot tip. That's important. I mean, don't get too cute with things. You know, especially as a first time commissioner, if you're wanting to put all these crazy wacky rules in, don't do that. For me, it's more about the people. I mean, a great fantasy football league is great because you have awesome people there and you're communicating. Yeah, they're active because they're connected. So make sure you have a good communication channel, whether that's slack or Facebook or sleep or bot. Find a channel where the people in your league will actually be involved. They'll check, they'll communicate wherever it is.

[Mike Wright]

But that's a place to react to trades, to talk about things, to trash talk. I'll add to that. Don't feel the pressure as a first time commissioner to have a 12 team league. Maybe you want a 12 team league. Maybe that's not realistic with the amount of people that you know that want to play better to have a solid 8 or 10 team league with good owners than a 12 team league with 2 or 3 bad apples that are going to ruin the experience for everybody or you know, and I say bad apple. I don't even mean people that are necessarily in there to destroy your league. I'm talking about, you know, somebody that goes inactive in week three. And then the league is not as engaging for everybody. So I think that's a few solid tips for everybody.

[Jason Moore]

And of course, tell your entire league about this show. Right, because then everybody becomes better and it's just more fun.

[Andy Holloway]

Of course.

[Mike Wright]

That's the narrative.

[Jason Moore]

Right. News and notes from around the league.

[Mike Wright]

I should have hit the hype train button right there. That would have been smart. All right, we talked about the hall of Fame game. As much as we're going to talk about it. Let's talk about Ryan Tannehill on the show yesterday. Now I'm. We got to keep our eyes peeled because the last two shows that we've done, we had a Sterling Shepard injury and then we had a Ryan Tannehill injury. Right now the Dolphins have gone from, you know, optimism to fear that Tannehill is going to need season ending surgery. The reality for him is because he rehabbed without surgery the first time and because this seems to be a re aggravation of the ACL McLaren partial tears, the likely outcome is if that happens to be the case and he's seeking a second opinion, he'll go under the knife. They'll take care of this once and for all because he doesn't want to rehab for what I've seen is six to eight weeks to just come back and have the same thing happen again.

[Andy Holloway]

How can you have faith in your knee? I mean, if you're Ryan Tannehill, this happened. You're. This is going to be in your head now.

[Mike Wright]

And he's generally been a very mobile coach. That's part of his game is getting outside the pocket, being able to throw on the run. So disappointing. There are a lot of rumors in regards to who they might bring in. Matt Moore would take over the job out of the gate. Colin Kaepernick been rumored about maybe coming in as a backup for all 32 teams. For all 32 teams. And then there's been discussion.

[Jason Moore]

Smoking Jay Cuddy.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the best one. Sources reported that Jay Cutler whispered into the void. Hey, hey, I may come back. I'd play for Adam Gates again, but it's to me, it's Matt Moore. He was a competent, perfectly capable quarterback towards the end of the season last year. And honestly, for me, it's. I don't know, it's pretty much lateral from Tannehill to Matt Moore as far as fantasy purposes are concerned.

[Mike Wright]

It's kind of like when Josh McCown takes over for somebody. Yeah, you kind of.

[Andy Holloway]

You still get production, you still get.

[Mike Wright]

Production, he's willing to take shots down the field. I think it caps the upside of the overall offense. I think that's why bringing in a guy like Cutler is potentially attractive to them because he's worked with Adam Gase and there's an opportunity for some upside. Let's talk about Joe Mixon. If you want a microcosm of the entire offseason, just look at the Joe Mixon news that has broke over the last 24 hours. You had an initial report from a beat writer. Joe Mixon's gonna get 20 plus touches in week one and 10 minutes later he had to hurt himself. He's off the field. Reports are good. By the way. Foot injury, it sounds like it's a bruised heel. He could have returned. He's just recovering. So that's a short term thing. And then this morning Jeremy Hill going to be the starter to start the year is the report. So good luck parsing through all of that. This is the reality that fantasy owners face when buying into some of these rookie running backs. And it is a challenge.

[Jason Moore]

Hype is difficult to track. But the one thing that we need to separate from that and acknowledge is just true is that there are three legitimate NFL starting caliber running backs on that team.

[Andy Holloway]

Two and a half. I'm only giving Jeremy Hill half.

[Jason Moore]

That's crazy coming from you, but I.

[Andy Holloway]

New information, man.

[Jason Moore]

I could see that. But my point is this half a yard per carry. Yes. You can get the hype on Jeremy Hill a couple days ago. Hype on Gio Bernard just. And the fact that he was able to be there and he's recovered the hype on Mix and you can't let any of those win based on hype. You have to see something on the.

[Mike Wright]

Field because yeah, Geo is not hype. Geo is fact. He's healthier than we thought he was. He's not missing the first two games of the year. That does affect, you know, I have a long list of guys. I'm, I'm messing with the rankings a little bit, moving them around. I'm moving, mixing down a little bit. I have him I think at 19 right now. He's going to drop a little bit because of Geo's health predominantly. But the report on Jeremy Hill's involvement doesn't help that situation. And all that being said, that does not mean. Look at last year, Jordan Howard, right. He wasn't the full time starter for a while and there were other backs there that, you know, they weren't that good. But he, it took him some time.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, it took a Langford injury.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Really what it took.

[Mike Wright]

There's no question in my mind that, you know, Fournette Cook, Mixon, maybe P. Ryan, maybe Hunt, like there is going to be a monster fantasy impact from one of those guys. And specifically with Mixon, that could be weeks four through 16 or it could be weeks eight through 16.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

He still might be worth a pretty high draft pick. If you have, if you have the depth and you think that by the end of this year, over the last eight weeks, he's a top five guy, you have to, you have to buy that.

[Andy Holloway]

But, but if you're talking week eight for a third round pick to hold on to him.

[Mike Wright]

No, I, and that's why I think we said, you know, moving him down a little bit. So not a third round pick.

[Andy Holloway]

No, but that's where, that's where he's going to go in your.

[Mike Wright]

Let me give you this then. What if I told you hypothetically that you have to spend a third round pick for the number one running back over the last eight weeks of the year? That's what's hypothetical. I'm not saying, I'm not projecting, mixing. But what if that was the situation. You've got to spend your third. But you know, you got the number one running back in football over the last eight weeks. So basically saying like it's an A game suspension. Basically.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's say Le'Veon Bell is suspended for eight games.

[Mike Wright]

There you go.

[Andy Holloway]

Hypothetically. And then would you spend a third round pick on him?

[Mike Wright]

I bet. I bet you would for the last.

[Jason Moore]

I think I would if I have.

[Mike Wright]

You of all people, I feel like would take that shot, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

I think I would if I had a deep bench. Yeah, it's a five.

[Mike Wright]

Well, you don't know if you have a deep bench until you draft him first.

[Jason Moore]

I'm saying numerically speaking. Yes, I'm saying. Right.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I see. I thought you meant like your own roster. I'm like, how do you know how deep your bench is?

[Jason Moore]

I've seen the future. I'm saying if I've got, you know, five and under bench spots on my, you know, in that league, then I don't want to take up one fifth of my ability to make transactions for eight weeks. You know, I. That's what I would say.

[Andy Holloway]

Nixon's going to be a very risky pick.

[Jason Moore]

All right. But rewarding. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Very, very high risk. It.

[Mike Wright]

No Biscuit. All right. Dante Moncrief suffered a sprained AC joint in his shoulder on Thursday.

[Jason Moore]

He just didn't want to be without luck. It's like luck's not doing it. I'm not doing it.

[Mike Wright]

That doesn't seem to be the case. He's willing to be hurt at any time at any place. Unfortunate.

[Andy Holloway]

That's his secret. He's always injured.

[Mike Wright]

Well, it stinks. Yeah. There are a number of players like this, by the way. I don't know if I've seen the sentiment on a player change the way it has on Carlos Hyde in the last week.

[Jason Moore]

Oh.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, did you foresee that? I mean, you were down on him.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

You were.

[Mike Wright]

No. You were progressively going down on your ranking of Carlos Hyde.

[Andy Holloway]

He's always stayed in that mid 2 range for me, though.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, well, the sentiment has been positive.

[Andy Holloway]

And I've always stayed on. He is the best running back on the team.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Well, you get credit for that then, because it's looking really, really good for Carlos Hyde. So we ready to get into the NFC West? Any other news you guys want to talk about?

[Andy Holloway]

Only if we get to talk more Carlos Hyde.

[Mike Wright]

Dang it, we do.

[Jason Moore]

Let's get divisional.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we're in the NFC West. This is the last of our divisional breakdown shows. We're kind of hitting the highlights, the fantasy notes, the fantasy news for each of these franchises. And we'll start with the Seattle Seahawks. 10, 5 and 1 last year, that epic tie they had with the Arizona Cardinals. I want to talk about Russell Wilson, or as we call him, Russell.

[Andy Holloway]

Russell.

[Mike Wright]

Russell. All right, Russell Wilson. I'm so confused, because every single season he's played, so all five, he's ended up a top 12 QB at the end of the year over the last three years. I took a look at how often he's a top 12 QB week to week, and it's gone down each of the last three years. He was 62% of the time in 2014, only 56% of the time the year after, and then last year, 43% of the time. So it's not been the uptrend that you'd hope for a consistent quarterback. One, obviously, it's hard to produce those kind of numbers each and every week, but he ended the year with six of nine weeks in the top 12. The narrative is obviously, look, he was hurt. He couldn't get out of the pocket. He couldn't do what he does. Right now, he's being drafted in the seventh round, late seventh round, behind guys like Derek Carr. So what do you think about Russell Wilson and his opportunity this year in Seattle?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, that. That narrative you're talking about that's in the non fiction, right? I mean, because that's what happened. The guy, his ankle got absolutely destroyed right away and then he, then he was dealing with another one. But by the end of it he looked like a mummy with his feet. And that's what Russell Wilson's game is.

[Mike Wright]

All about, is being a mummy.

[Andy Holloway]

Being a mummy returning from the dead. No, he's just mobility. That spin move when he lets the baits the defender to come in and then he just spins, gets what's. And someone breaks wide open like Doug Baldwin. And that's where his production comes from. It's. And if he cannot move. And his offensive line, he was just trash last year.

[Jason Moore]

I mean what they've been bad for a while. I was going to say what, what has always made up for their poor offensive line is Russell Wilson's mobility in the pocket. And so. Yeah, you're exactly right. It's not just some kind of story. You know, two years ago you had a bad first half for Russell Wilson and a great second half. That was a narrative where it was like, oh, he got better or something changed or when Marshawn lynch went down, maybe, maybe that's why he was, you know, more productive.

[Andy Holloway]

But last year Doug Baldwin wanted to get paid is what happened.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, last year it was absolutely 100% he was injured in the beginning of the year. And if you look, if you, you know, if you go to the UDK and you look at last year's week by week consistency chart ranking, you know, you said he was 43% of the time, something like that.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he was 43% of the time at top 12 last year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, all but one of those came after week eight. I mean, so you look and it's like, oh, it was really bad in the beginning and then it was just on fire.

[Mike Wright]

But isn't that, I mean, don't we have to acknowledge his fantasy owners. Look, he, because of the mobility, because of what he does, his potential to be injured, to be hurt, bad offensive line got him hurt. Right. It's not a point in his favor for him to be injured and struggle and have a bad offensive line. But then he came back and was Russell Wilson doesn't. Isn't there an injury risk that maybe places him in this late seventh appropriately versus saying he deserves to be ahead of that? Because not every player is in that kind of a situation exposed to injury. It wasn't just one injury either. Like it wasn't just one thing that happened. He got hurt. I believe one was a knee, one was an ankle.

[Andy Holloway]

So it's just that they all lead to each other when he, when he can't move. But I don't. I wouldn't consider Russell Wilson injury prone.

[Jason Moore]

We haven't seen it in previous years. You know, we. It's not like, it's not like the years before. He's. He's been getting injured constantly. So I, I mean, I think it's a valid point in the sense that he has. He takes a lot of sacks. He does. Yes, he does. He's up near the leaders in the league if he's not the leader himself. And so injury risk is there for anybody. But I think we've got a big enough body of work with his mobility and his, you know.

[Mike Wright]

So are you taking in there? Do you want him at 708?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, genuinely, he is one of the first guys where I start considering him. Not at 7, but when he drops past where his normal value is. If, if he's, you know, if you're in a league where people draft quarterbacks later, you can get Russell Wilson in the ninth and I'll pull the trigger on that.

[Andy Holloway]

What's his ceiling?

[Mike Wright]

It's top five.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would say top three. I mean, you've got a guy who now has weapons with Jimmy Graham. If Tyler Lockett gets back. There's, you know, I think Darbo, the rookie has potential. Paul Richardson has potential. We've never had this large of a quarter core of quality receivers there. You've always been relying on Jermaine Curse as your number two wide receiver, and that's hard to.

[Mike Wright]

It's interesting though, because I know the injury is there, but you do have that decreasing stat. 62%, 56%, 43%. And his rushing yards have gone down three straight years as well. I mean, it's really easy to have a 62% as a QB one when you have 800 plus yards on the ground. Those baselines change if you're no longer running the ball as much. So do you expect them to have 500 yards on the ground? Because last year was about 250 with the injury.

[Andy Holloway]

So, yeah, I mean, four, four to 500 I think is fair. And what do you do, Jason? You've been. You have been the man at the front. You are the conductor of Doug Baldwin's hype train.

[Mike Wright]

I want to talk about this.

[Andy Holloway]

How are you feeling about Doug Baldwin moving into this season? Last year was, you know, that it.

[Mike Wright]

Was a bad year.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he was still fine by the end, but getting the journey Was he doesn't get enough. Rocky road.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he doesn't get enough, I'll say.

[Mike Wright]

The word credit, but too much credit.

[Jason Moore]

Now he doesn't get enough flack for being a boom bust. The way, you know, you always hear that with, you know, Brandon Cooks and Amari Cooper and those guys. Doug Baldwin, for some reason, you know, probably because he's up near the 90 reception total, you think of him as a consistent guy, but he really is not for fantasy. He has been a boom bust, a touchdown Reliant player for those big games.

[Mike Wright]

Seven games out of the top 50 at the wide receiver position. Seven games 30, 31% of the time he was a wide receiver. One which is lower than Brandon Lefell. So the sum of all parts equaled this number 10 finish in half point leagues. But Jason's right. You look at him and for some reason the credit he's getting the opposite of what he's always had. He had disrespect. Now he's basically at the end of the second round in some leagues. I have him at 302 right now. So top of the third round. I don't want that. I don't want that from a guy who has to have that boom boom game. I just would rather take other players around there. I mean, troll Pryors around there. I was going to say, I will.

[Andy Holloway]

Take him for Jason. Brandon Cooks or Doug Baldwin.

[Jason Moore]

I would take Brandon Cooks for sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Hopkins or Baldwin.

[Jason Moore]

Baldwin.

[Andy Holloway]

Terrell Pryor Baldwin. And the last one, Sammy Watkins.

[Jason Moore]

Sammy Watkins.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

Sounds like he's in the right spot.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Sounds like his price is fair for adp for Jason.

[Jason Moore]

You just need to be aware of what you're getting and not have the wrong. Because more important than rankings is roster construction. When you go and you draft Doug Baldwin, you need to know you're getting more of a boom bust guy. You're getting a guy who can have, you know, the three touchdown game that he had last year. But also, keep in mind he only scored a touchdown in five games. That's not good for, you know, a wide receiver in that range. Now I credit some of his struggles to the Russell Wilson injury. That's why I don't, you know, I don't think he's going to be as busty. We'll call him.

[Mike Wright]

That's not, let's not call him that.

[Jason Moore]

He won't bust the same rate in 2017.

[Mike Wright]

I don't believe I can see a new shirt. Okay, key additions to the Seahawks team. Eddie Lacy. The offensive line is completely fixed. Now, with Luke Jokel in the mix, Blair Walsh joins the squad. Let's talk about best. Look, who's the guy that you say ends up with the most fantasy points at the wide receiver position other than Doug Baldwin? Just give me a name.

[Jason Moore]

At the wide receiver position.

[Mike Wright]

That is correct. Who's the highest scoring wide receiver outside of Doug Baldwin at the end of the season? Who do you bet on that being?

[Jason Moore]

Tyler Lockett.

[Andy Holloway]

Tyler Lockett.

[Mike Wright]

All right, I'll go. I'm gonna say Paul Richardson. He was very, very impressive at the end of the year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I totally get it. And Tyler Lockett had that really nasty broken.

[Jason Moore]

Was the ankle.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, it was a foot injury.

[Jason Moore]

I think it was his heart.

[Andy Holloway]

It was broken heart. But he. Tyler Lockett is a very impressive player and I think he was.

[Mike Wright]

I was really surprised on the foot cast Yesterday [e-mail] I was surprised to hear how bullish both of you are on lock it.

[Jason Moore]

Bullish is the wrong word. I'm not bullish.

[Mike Wright]

Optimistic.

[Jason Moore]

And I wouldn't even say. I mean, maybe I'm optimistic, but what I was saying is that he still has the potential to break free. His reception perception has shown that he's a quality receiver. You know, he. Last year, towards the end of the year, I think he had two top three wide receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

On the beginning of the year, he was hurt.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

He had a knee injury and that's when Jimmy Graham was doing all that damage.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So it's not a calling for or a projecting him to be there, but it is, absolutely. I acknowledge that he has the potential to be a relevant guy. I haven't. I don't think I've drafted him in a single league yet this year.

[Mike Wright]

Supposed to come off the PUP in the next couple of days, we'll be practicing again with the team. Last guy I want to mention, Jimmy Graham. Where do you guys have Jimmy Graham this season? Does he have top three tight end potential? A year removed from, you know, his first campaign after the patellar tendon. Very impressive year. Looks like right now we have Jimmy Graham, 6, 4 and 6. So Mike and I have him at 6. Jason, you have him at 4. So touch on Jimmy Graham before we move on.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I really like Jimmy Graham this year quite a bit now he's one of those guys where come draft day, I don't like drafting a middle of the pack, you know, high potential tight end. But by year's end, I think he will be a top five tight end for sure. You have last year you saw him Struggle a little bit as the season got on, which is completely understandable for a guy who was coming off the injury he had. He shouldn't have even been able to play last year by, you know, science. But he, he has proven that he is an elite tight end in the NFL. Defenders cannot stop him. And, and for the, for him to come through in his first year with Seattle and produce as he did last year, there's no reason to doubt Jimmy Graham being in Seattle. None. None whatsoever.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you guys taking the 10th round shot on Thomas Rawls?

[Mike Wright]

No, definitely happy to do it.

[Andy Holloway]

There's a very strong split.

[Mike Wright]

So at the running back position. We've talked about Lacy a lot on the show. I guess we can dive in real quick before we move on to the Cardinals. But yeah, I'm taking the shot at him. I mean, this guy was dynamic and he had a very good. End of the year. He had a 150 plus yard game. Towards the end of the season. They obviously know they can't rely on him to stay healthy, but there's no reason Thomas Ross couldn't be heavily involved in this. In this roster.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you rather have.

[Mike Wright]

And by the way, Eddie Lacy news. The last two times he's had his weigh ins, they've come out and said he met it this way in that he had two days ago. They will not tell anybody what happened.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I'm moving him down.

[Mike Wright]

It looks pretty much. It looks like he didn't make it is what I'm saying. So, I mean, one, one Eddie Lacy injury. Let's say Eddie Lacy isn't in the picture. I mean, Thomas Rawls shoots up the board.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so in the 10th round, these are running backs. I mean, you're, these are free running backs. So I mean, you're just taking a lotto ticket here. But you have to pick one of.

[Jason Moore]

These, of these scratchers.

[Andy Holloway]

You're on Thomas Rawls, Jamal Williams, Jeremy Hill.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going. Assuming this is a normal, you know, redraft league, I'm definitely going Jamal Williams.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going Jamal Williams.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. All right. Arizona Cardinals last year were 7, 8 and 1. Disappointing. They were one of the early season favorites to potentially head to the super bowl or at least get in that NFC title game. Didn't happen last year. Lots of reasons why, but Chandler, Catton, Zaro is the only way. You know, you say it in jest, but in the beginning of that year, no, it's fact. He cost three games.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Add three victories.

[Mike Wright]

Carson Palmer. I heard a very interesting stat yesterday on Carson Palmer over the second half of the year when he played much, much better. He had like the majority of his throws. 70 something percent of his throws came in under two seconds from the snap. And that number was.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a terrified man.

[Mike Wright]

Well no, it was a game plan is what I'm saying. It wasn't terrified, it was a game plan. Change in the Cardinals offense. First half of the year it was four seconds. So that wasn't just fear of being sacked, that was a short passing game was more involved. The utility of David Johnson, the ability. Look, they made adjustments. Carson Palmer, I've said it, he ended the year with a bunch of top 12 weeks. Is this team primed for a bounce back with Palmer, David Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, John Brown, what do you think about the potential fantasy wise for the Arizona Cardinals? Really didn't lose any offensive pieces. You know, Michael Floyd's at the door, but he didn't do anything. I mean the grimace Mike just made shows he was out the door.

[Andy Holloway]

Made two years ago.

[Mike Wright]

So let's talk, you know, ninth in the league in passing yards last year. Where do you see him? Jay?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, this team, it will be very reliant on John Brown because Carson Palmer to step forward. David Johnson is going to be fine, he's safe. But as a whole, if you want the offense to rebound to where it was a couple years ago, you need that burner fast receiver option in a Bruce arians system. And J.J. nelson is not going to get it done. He, I mean as full time jj. Yes. He'll have his games. If you're in a best ball, grab him. He can't, I don't think he can get it done. But the Cardinals do some really good stuff. I've been researching for Jaron Brown who, you know, if you want a super deep, you know, a super deep flyer pick, I think Jaron Brown is a guy that is, is very valuable. He, he looked good before he tore his acl. Right after he tore his ACL last year they gave him a one year contract after they said hey, I want to make sure he sticks around. And there's this, you know how Baltimore is having just, you know, death left and right. And the Chargers for years as well have. I've been looking.

[Mike Wright]

You're referring to injuries, right?

[Jason Moore]

I'm just saying that the guy's dropping like flies.

[Mike Wright]

Death left and right.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not going well in Baltimore right.

[Jason Moore]

Now as a fan. But the Cardinals have implemented purple Plague. The Cardinals have implemented this load system where I mean they are using technology to to track every single thing done. And once a player reaches whatever their load is. So like Jaron Brown right now is at a 300 load. When he reaches that, based on how much he's doing in practice, they shut him down. And they say you're not allowed to do anything else. And they've done this. It's helping him. That's what they did to help Carson Palmer last year, is they shut him down when you reach a certain load in practice and that's why he got better the second half of the year. They're doing that. They didn't have that same kind of system to shut him down in the first half of the year. I believe that will help Carson Palmer quite a bit. And if Jerome.

[Andy Holloway]

Interesting stuff.

[Jason Moore]

If Jaron Brown can actually, Or, I'm sorry, John Brown, if he can get healthy with his legs, I do think there will be a bounce back for the offensive, you know, totality for the Cardinals.

[Mike Wright]

I think a lot of people want to know, is it Chad Williams, is it Jaron Brown in that wide receiver, three dfs, flyer, deep league role? You know, right now I would probably tell you it's Jaron Brown.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I would agree.

[Mike Wright]

Chad Williams, some reports of him being out of shape, not doing what he needed to do.

[Andy Holloway]

So I feel like for the Cardinals, John Brown is this last puzzle piece. But I'm talking like the kind of puzzle where when you put it in, there's just this. It all just lights up and glows because he'll get. Or he helps Larry Fitzgerald be better. He helps Carson Palmer, David Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

It's.

[Andy Holloway]

There's so much reliant on John Brown and they have no other player of that caliber. So if John Brown is still. If he still struggles with his sickle cell trait, then I think that's. I think that's big problem.

[Jason Moore]

I completely agree. And let's be honest, I think he is struggling with it. And if I had.

[Andy Holloway]

That's not good.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, it's not. So I said all those rosy things that could come true for the Cardinals. But if I had to put my expectation as to whether or not John Brown will succeed, not if he can. And if he does, I think he will go full ham, But I don't think he's going to. I don't think he's going to be able to be healthy this season, that's.

[Mike Wright]

A really stupid end of that story.

[Jason Moore]

Sorry. Sorry, Mary.

[Mike Wright]

Wow. I mean, that was as sad as.

[Jason Moore]

He'S had two different leg injuries.

[Mike Wright]

So you don't think. You don't think Williams. You don't think Brown can step in and make enough of an impact to give you that boost you're talking about.

[Jason Moore]

That's right.

[Mike Wright]

All right, David Johnson, we know his story.

[Jason Moore]

He's pretty good.

[Mike Wright]

You draft him at the top. Larry Fitzgerald, do we expect the same from him? This is a guy who led the league in receptions last year, number one.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't expect him to be number one, but he'll be tremendous. PPR guy has the weekly upside where he can drop two touchdowns, but he's, he's similar to Doug Baldwin that we were talking about. Where the end of the season numbers are going to look better than the actual week to week.

[Mike Wright]

Look for a hot start, in my opinion, for the Arizona Cardinals on offense. They play Detroit, Indy, Dallas, San Francisco the first four weeks. That's a good, you know, Philly after that, Tampa after that. I'm not. You don't see that kind of gauntlet of defensive teams. We'll see what happens. That makes Carson Palmer very interesting late round streamer.

[Andy Holloway]

Very, very interesting of it because he's not likely, you're not likely to stream. If you grab Palmer because then you're going to grab a new quarterback off the waiver wire who has a good matchup. You go, oh, well, that. Guess what, that's Carson Palmer again and again and again.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's talk about the Los Angeles Rams because they're in this division and we're talking about all the teams in this division. Before we do that, I want to remind people if you want all of this consistency data, the week to week consistency career charts, consistency percentages, like I've been breaking down where I was telling you Russell Wilson was the top 12 QB 43% of the time. Those are all new features in this year's Ultimate Draft Kit atultimatedraftkit.com this is the time to get in there, dominate your draft, put yourself in the position to, you know, we say set the foundation of your team. Jason says you don't win your league at the draft, but you sure as heck set the foundation for what you're doing the rest of the year. You can lose it at the draft, no doubt. Yeah, you make the wrong move at the draft, but the right move that, that can set you up for the season. Even things like what we're talking about there with Carson Palmer maybe being an early season streaming candidate, you can dive in there. 100 plus player profiles, video profiles, video profiles. Matt Harmon's reception perception is in there. Brand new this year. A lot of Good feedback on the edk. So always happy to answer your questions in regards to that and you can check it out atultimatedraftkit.com let's talk about the Rams 4 and 12 last year. For better or for worse, they have to put this franchise in the hands of Jared Goff at this point. Sean McVeigh comes in, replaces Jeff Fisher. You know, I think everybody looks at that. Hey, it couldn't have gotten much worse on the offensive side of the ball than Jeff Fischer had produced for that roster. Todd Gurley, very disappointing year. Out the door. Key subtractions. No more Kenny Brett, no more Lance Kendricks. Ryan Quick's gone. Benny Cunningham's gone. They bring in Robert Woods. They bring in Andrew Whitworth, big left tackle signing. Graded out as the second best left tackle in the league last year.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a beast.

[Mike Wright]

He is a beast. So that seems to bode well for both protecting Goff and Todd Gurley, who struggled last year to break off the big play in his rookie season. I believe he had eight plays of 25 or more yards last year despite finishing the year still as a top 18 running back. 00 runs of 25 plus yards. That killed you as a fantasy owner because you did not have those ceiling type of games. Because we have so many new listeners to the show joining in right now, I want to reiterate double down here. I am very, very optimistic about Todd Gurley this year. I think he offers fantasy owners a top five potential player at a good value. I know you guys are not on board with that and that's fine. But I did want to let people know I'm very excited about the Sean McVay offense, about Todd Gurley being involved in the passing game for 40 plus receptions. Do you guys want to talk about the running game? What you see there?

[Andy Holloway]

You know, we have to talk about Todd Gurley.

[Mike Wright]

Well, do it. Do it then.

[Andy Holloway]

And I'm not nearly as optimistic as Andy. I don't think that he's bad by any stretch. It could be a situation of last year just the team was so bad that he's trying too hard and he's not letting the game come to him. Could also be the fact that Jeff Fisher was trying to play 1979 football. Just the just failing over and over at it without bothering to switch things up with the play calling. But the Rams are going to still be a bad team. I mean they're. Jared Goff I don't think is ready to start carrying this team yet. And it's so a low scoring team. It's the offensive line has gotten better. So that, that's, that's a check mark for Todd Gurley. But it all comes down to the draft cost of Todd Gurley which you're not being a top three pick for him this year, but you're still going to have to draft him in the first three rounds or so. And I think that the range of outcomes for Todd Gurley is just that running back to area.

[Jason Moore]

I love Todd Gurley.

[Mike Wright]

I noticed that you have him apparently higher than me in the rankings.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And I didn't know anybody could do that. What is happening right now, Listen, I want that to not get misconstrued.

[Mike Wright]

Can you cut that clip of I love Todd Gurley out Brooks. I want it on my board right now and if I could swipe, I want it not.

[Jason Moore]

No, you're not going to like everything else I have to say.

[Mike Wright]

Ty Gurley or Lamar Miller. I just want to check something right now.

[Jason Moore]

Right now it's Todd Gurley. That just changed in my rankings. I actually did put Todd Gurley over Lamar Miller. But, but hear me out. You do not.

[Mike Wright]

Jason is the best analyst.

[Jason Moore]

You do not move Todd Gurley up to an elite running back. You do not take him at the top of the second round. You do not take him over DeMarco Murray and known assets. I do not expect Todd Gurley to have a top five season. Now is that in his range of outcomes? Yes, I think it is in the range of outcomes. I put that at a low probability. But here's what I love about Todd Gurley. He is mid to late second round. He is near the Isaiah Crow Wells. His value at that point in the draft is a floor. That is what you saw last year, which is, you know, the RB15, RB16, 17.

[Mike Wright]

I mean volume, opportunity.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, I'm just saying for where he's going.

[Andy Holloway]

Have you just described Carlos Hyde?

[Mike Wright]

Maybe. Yeah, if you like Carlos Hyde on that, on that team. We haven't talked about them yet.

[Andy Holloway]

We haven't got there yet.

[Mike Wright]

They finished worse than Rams.

[Andy Holloway]

Carlos Hyde was finished higher in the fantasy rankings in 13 games.

[Jason Moore]

That is true.

[Andy Holloway]

Than Todd Gurley.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, look, I'm not saying Todd Gurley is a great back. I'm not. But his volume is locked and loaded barring injury. There's no way, just like I had said, you know, a couple weeks ago on Lamar Miller, there's no way he doesn't get 250 carries and 30 plus receptions. There's. I mean, I just can't fathom that not happening. And so if he sucks, which I think there's a good probability he will suck, he is going to be. He's going to be okay as your RB2. I mean, nobody should be unhappy with that kind of production. As your second running back. If. If you can get a real. You can get Shady in the first and Todd Gurley in the second. That's what I'm saying.

[Mike Wright]

How bad was last year, Mike, for Todd Gurley?

[Jason Moore]

Bad.

[Mike Wright]

13 of 16 weeks in the top 30. And yeah, top.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, top 30 for a guy who was taking.

[Jason Moore]

Right. That was the problem. He was nine.

[Mike Wright]

Nine of those weeks. So I said 13. Nine of them. He was top 24. He was still in RB1 or 2 in those weeks. So if it's as bad as it gets and that's the worst you get, I think that's the point Jason's making.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason went full Schrodinger's cat. I don't know why just now the cat is both dead and alive at the exact same time.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, sure. I'm playing. You can say I'm playing both sides. You did.

[Andy Holloway]

You just said.

[Jason Moore]

I think I laid it out. He could be great.

[Andy Holloway]

He could be terrible.

[Jason Moore]

He's Todd Gurley for Do not the confetti. Do not move his ADP up. Do not take me saying he deserves to have to be higher than he is. What I'm saying is where he's at right now. I don't know where you stand where he's at right now. I will take him in the draft. I like that pick of Todd Gurley in the mid to late second round.

[Andy Holloway]

And I will pass.

[Mike Wright]

Will you pass to Robert Woods?

[Andy Holloway]

Robert woods is. He's interesting. It's what I like about the hire of McVeigh.

[Mike Wright]

He's going to bring 14th round pick. He's a free Robert woods with no Kenny Brett who had a thousand yards last year.

[Andy Holloway]

Robert woods is not Kenny Brett.

[Mike Wright]

No, but the Robert woods is very good. I've always said he passed the eye test. To me.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think that he's. I think he's a good wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

He's their best wide receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

But we got to see what Sean McVeigh is going to bring in with with the west coast offense. I have my eye on Cooper cup as. I mean I'm not drafting Cooper cup but just watching him the first few weeks because I think he fits the offensive scheme so perfect.

[Mike Wright]

Woods Cup, Austin put them in order.

[Jason Moore]

Woods, Austin Cup.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's probably the way Eileen as well and then just to touch quickly on the. The tight ends, my man, Gerald Everett, Mount Everett. I don't think that this is the year that it happens. I mean, the reports are that Tyler Higby is still competing, but.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, Brooks. But you hear that? He can do it. But Gerald Everett was the very first.

[Andy Holloway]

Selection in Sean McVeigh's coaching career, so. And he was the one behind the magic of Jordan Reed. Play calling.

[Mike Wright]

So Tim Tebow, McDaniel's first selection in the.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's a pretty good response, Andy.

[Andy Holloway]

That's. That's. That's a. That's a valid point.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, if you want to know what direction the Rams need to head offensively, 31st in the year, 31st in rushing, 31st in passing, 32nd in points per game, 30th in total plays run. And that's an important.

[Jason Moore]

So what you're saying, fantasy football, they can get worse. They still have like one, one or two spots to move down.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, but they definitely can't.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, if you just key 31st in rushing yards. Is that what you said?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

With Jeff Fisher.

[Andy Holloway]

Just. Just remember that when we move to the. The next team.

[Jason Moore]

Now you.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, God.

[Jason Moore]

Now, real quick, one. One thing that can we skip San Francisco for.

[Mike Wright]

I can take it.

[Jason Moore]

But, Mike, you do have to understand, they had one of the worst offensive lines imaginable and Andrew Whitworth, the second ranked. Yeah, it's a big. That's a huge upgrade for them. So.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's talk about the 2 and 14 San Francisco 49ers. They bring in Kyle Shanahan, new head coach, long term deal. Bring in Pierre Garcon, Marquis Goodwin. Bring in Kyle Juszczyk, Pro bowl fullback. Bring in Tim Hightower. Goodbye. Tory Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Blaine Gabbard, Sean Drone. A lot of turnover. Long term plan in place for San Francisco. How does that translate to fantasy value? We've all seen Brian Hoyer give fantasy value to wide receivers, despite generally playing in really bad situations, had a bad break last year. He was coming out and basically lighting things on fire for Chicago. Now you have Hoyer, you have Hyde and the whole backfield discussion with Hightower. Now, you know, he had first team reps a couple times. Joe Williams is in that backfield. And then the aforementioned Pierre Garcon. So what is the headline for you? What are you watching for with The San Francisco 49ers? Mike brings up the point. Last year they were fourth in the league in rushing. That had a lot to do with Kaepernick in total rushing yardage, but 32nd in passing. That's got to change. Give me the San Francisco narrative. You said you like Pierre Garcon.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I love Pierre Garcon. He following Kyle Shanahan. He's coached Pierre Garcon before. He wanted to get Pierre Garcon and his team.

[Jason Moore]

He paid up.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. He reached the limit of paying where he said, you're going to come finish your career on a. On a rebuild. And Pierre Garcon said, okay, he'll be the wide receiver one and led the league in receptions the last time he played with Kyle Shanahan. I'm not calling for that, just. But that's in the. That's happened before.

[Jason Moore]

That is a ton of receptions is definitely in the equation.

[Andy Holloway]

And lots of negative game scripts for the San Francisco 49ers as they try and rebuild, which I think that speaks positively for Pierre Garcon, who has actually, the last time I checked, was climbing the adp. I mean, he's in standard leagues. He's now in the eighth round, which by the time drafts are really rolling. Do you think that Pierre Garcon moves, makes his way up into the sixth grade?

[Mike Wright]

I doubt it. I doubt it. I don't know if there's enough hype with that offense that would push him that high. I love Pierre Garcon. I drafted him or I traded. Significant dynasty. I made a dynasty trade and pushed for him because I feel like he is just such a complementary piece to a fantasy roster, because any given week, you can roll him in. I feel like he's going to have a safe floor. And this is a team that, you know, with Brian Hoyer, they'll be down a lot and there'll be opportunities in garbage time for him to eat.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And Shanahan loves him.

[Andy Holloway]

True. What's unfortunate is we've. I have spoken very positively of Brian Hoyer frequently on the show.

[Mike Wright]

You have?

[Andy Holloway]

The last time Brian Hoyer was with Kyle Shanahan, I love this. That it didn't go so well because it was in Cleveland and I think he had, like, 12 passing touchdowns. It was bad.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, you know, A plus B doesn't equal success. And they don't.

[Mike Wright]

Doesn't.

[Jason Moore]

They don't have a good.

[Andy Holloway]

It equals ab, by the way, for the listeners.

[Mike Wright]

Another thing I know nothing about.

[Andy Holloway]

Or Jason.

[Mike Wright]

Wow.

[Jason Moore]

Once a show. Now once I got.

[Mike Wright]

I listen back, he thinks of him and he starts to smile and then he drops them.

[Jason Moore]

That's fine.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, I can see it from across the Desk.

[Jason Moore]

I have very thick skin and I think that's the problem. Really thick.

[Andy Holloway]

We are best friends.

[Mike Wright]

Look, we, Jason and I are for sure. After all that nice stuff he said about Todd Gurley.

[Jason Moore]

Don't you quote me wrong.

[Mike Wright]

I'll quote you right. He's got number 10 on your rankings.

[Jason Moore]

He's got a high floor.

[Mike Wright]

Number 10. All right.

[Jason Moore]

Garcon will be peppered with targets. I think he's a good value if he goes late in drafts. Carlos Hyde, we spoke about him a little bit earlier. He's a great. I mean, I've been picking him up in my play draft leagues for the last several months. I'm actually a little bit upset. I mean, I'm kind of, you know, it's kind of nice to be have the confirmation coming out. But now it's like, oh, great, now.

[Andy Holloway]

Everyone'S going to target him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I don't want him in the. In the back of the second in the 2, 3 turn. I want him when he was drop into the fifth. And you got huge upside there.

[Mike Wright]

Judge Giamatti. Can I ask you a quick question? Gurley or Lamar Miller? Out of curiosity, just totally random question.

[Jason Moore]

What do you got, man?

[Mike Wright]

You're on the spot. Gurley, Lamar Miller, you got three seconds left to pick. Girly.

[Jason Moore]

Girly. All right.

[Mike Wright]

One of these things is not like the other.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't. I don't.

[Mike Wright]

That's you. You're not like the rest of us.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah. I gladly stand on the other side of that.

[Mike Wright]

I can't wait for the My Guys episode. Dibs.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well, you have dibs.

[Andy Holloway]

Dang it, man. Darn.

[Mike Wright]

I was.

[Jason Moore]

Todd Gurley is not a my guy. I don't. I don't.

[Mike Wright]

Have you heard it here first? Jason's fighting me for Todd Gurley on the My guys episode.

[Jason Moore]

Best ball bonanza brought to you by play draft.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Once a week, I noticed you cut off. Oh, my.

[Jason Moore]

Crap.

[Andy Holloway]

Carlos Hyde propaganda.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, did I? Oh, my gosh. I was watching the clock. I will.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll go back. I'll slide really quick. He's excellent. He has a very good running back who can't stay healthy.

[Mike Wright]

That's fair. 100% fair. If you look at his consistency chart, you look at the back half of the year, there's a lot of green all over it. He had very good finishes. If he can stay healthy, he'll have an opportunity to do some damage this year. And right now, the landscape behind him. Joe Williams started off slow. He would have been the guy to watch. I Think for a full shift in that offense, he would have had to come out on fire. Could still happen in preseason. Long way to go. Carlos Hyde might end up on some of my teams where he's being drafted right now. Can't argue with you at all. So here's the deal. Once a week we do a short segment on best ball. And I feel like with all the new listeners we've got, August is beginning. I think it's a really good opportunity to kind of introduce people to what best ball leagues are. I think there's a lot of people that hear us say that either they're indifferent because they don't know what they are. Maybe they're curious. If you've ever heard of once a week we do this.

[Jason Moore]

You know, there's plenty of leagues that do best ball. The FFPC, the MFL10s draft just came out with theirs this year. And that's my favorite because they finally, I've been calling for this forever, got rid of the kickers and defense in best ball. I've just always hated those. What best ball is is the opposite of when I say you don't win championships at your draft, it's a fun way.

[Andy Holloway]

You only win at the draft.

[Jason Moore]

You only win them in the draft. It's draft only. You have this awesome draft. Usually, you know, you put a couple bucks in, you have a draft with other real people who are putting a couple bucks in and then you can, you know, at the end of the year, if your team, you know, has the most points, you win the prize pool of money. And the way that the points are determined is basically it's as if every single week you made the perfect, most right start sit decisions every single week. So your best lineup is getting in every week. And so one of my tips that I think is not said enough is do not discount consistency because you, you know, the Martavis Bryans, the boo bus guys. Yeah, you want the ceiling. And sometimes you overvalue the DeSean Jacksons to the point where you go, well, well, he can, you know, that's great because I don't have to make the decision of is he going to get that long bomb touchdown or not. And so the guys that are consistent and have a really nice floor, the demarious Thomases, they drop in those drafts and in reality, those are going to give you points every. They're going to crack your roster every single week. So what I would say is when you're constructing your roster in these formats in the, in the middle and high, you know, Rounds. Consistency is great. Don't rely on the super boom bust until the late picks. That's where it's like, I'm taking Kenny Stills late because you just need those crazy somehow break into my starting line.

[Andy Holloway]

Matt Moore is the starting quarterback. Kenny Stills is going to be amazing.

[Jason Moore]

Well, clearly he'll have 16 touchdowns because he had, you know, a touchdown in every single game that Matt Moore played last year.

[Mike Wright]

You heard it here first. Kenny Stills, Jason's number one Wider. His number one running back. All right, Mike, Tell the listeners where they can find. Mike does a live best ball draft with the listeners every single week, invites you in just so you can kind of experience that. When are you doing those each week, Mike?

[Andy Holloway]

Those happen on Tuesday afternoon. And you can. You can head to playdraft.com ballers get your account already because I send the link out.

[Jason Moore]

You gotta.

[Andy Holloway]

You gotta be quick draw McGraw on that thing because it fills up liggety split.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And what you didn't say is when you go to playdraft.com ballers you get a free paid entry.

[Andy Holloway]

I did not say that.

[Mike Wright]

So if you go there, you use our specific link, playdraft.comballers you do get a free entry to try it out. And it's a lot of fun. It's great because you get to draft and then you kind of. You put it out of your mind in the sense that you. You do your best in that draft and then you can just follow it during the week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's all. It's on your phone. I mean, this is like, they do have a web portal, but this is a. There's a mobile app, so, you know, you could just play, you know, in that. In that special alone time, wherever you are.

[Mike Wright]

In other words, Jason drafts in the bathroom. That's exactly what that meant.

[Jason Moore]

That's what it meant. I draft in the bathroom.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Yeah. It's been a special show for you.

[Jason Moore]

It has.

[Andy Holloway]

Really a unique one.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's been a bus. A busty show for some reason.

[Jason Moore]

No, I'm still carrying over from yesterday's footcast where I got to. I got to run the show and we just went nuts.

[Andy Holloway]

Never again.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, every time.

[Mike Wright]

That was. Please. It was an adventure.

[Andy Holloway]

Please hit the music.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Gotta get out of here.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we'll see you later. Thanks for tuning in. Enjoy your weekend. Andy, Mike and Jason will be back with Judge Giamatti running the board on Monday. So take care. Have a good one.

[Andy Holloway]

Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

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