Fantasy Football 2017 - Week 2 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, Eulogies

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary: "Fantasy Football 2017 - Week 2 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, Eulogies"

Podcast Information:

• Title: Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast
• Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
• Episode: Fantasy Football 2017 - Week 2 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, Eulogies
• Release Date: September 18, 2017

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1. Introduction and Week 2 Overview

The episode kicks off with the hosts welcoming listeners back and diving straight into the analysis of Week 2 performances. They share personal anecdotes about their own fantasy leagues, highlighting the competitive nature and unexpected outcomes that make fantasy football exciting.

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2. Studs & Duds

a. Running Backs:

• LeGarrett Blount: Martavius Bryant firmly declares, “[Rip] LeGarrett Blount is done for your fantasy team” (02:37). Despite having a 100% catch rate in Week 1, Blount's usage was nonexistent, making him a reliable drop for fantasy owners.

• Thomas Rawls & Eddie Lacy (Seattle): Andy Holloway expresses complete confidence in writing off Seattle's running backs, stating, “There is none” when referring to the competition between Rawls and Lacy (04:15). Both players combined for minimal production, leading to their dismissal from fantasy rosters.

b. Wide Receivers:

• Jordan Reed (Panthers): Concerns arise as Reed continues to report multiple injuries. Andy Holloway remarks, “How do you trust a guy that gets injured this often?” (11:20), emphasizing the risk of keeping him on rosters.

• J.J. Nelson (Packers): With Jordy Nelson sidelined, Jason Moore highlights Nelson's performance, noting he “has a rapport with Palmer” and is a valuable pickup in Nelson's absence (08:33).

c. Tight Ends:

• Greg Olsen (Panthers): Suffering a broken foot, Jason Moore advises, “Put him on your IR or cut him” (10:50), as Olsen faces an 8-week recovery.

• Ben Watson (Bills): Emerging as an unexpected asset, Andy Holloway praises Watson’s performance, suggesting he “is the Dennis Pitta role” and a must-add for PPR leagues (41:17).

d. Quarterbacks:

• Sam Bradford (Packers): Facing injury uncertainties, Andy Holloway discusses the ambiguity surrounding Bradford’s availability for Week 3 (06:29).

• Kirk Cousins (Vikings): The offense is under scrutiny as Martavius Bryant points out, “Kirk Cousins just. He looks terrified” (13:05), indicating potential fantasy concerns.

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3. Rising Stars of the Week

a. Buck Allen (Raiders): Martavius Bryant identifies Buck Allen as a rising star due to his increased snaps and involvement in both rushing and receiving, highlighting his "14 carries on top of that" (44:03).

b. C.J. Anderson (Titans): Jason Moore and Andy Holloway commend Anderson’s consistent performance and healthy status, making him a reliable fantasy asset moving forward (30:25; 33:49).

c. Jarvis Landry (Bills): Appreciated for his high target volume, Andy Holloway emphasizes Landry’s safety in PPR leagues, asserting he “is going to be awesome” (44:50).

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4. Player Updates and Injuries

• Ezekiel Elliott (Cowboys): The latest legal developments regarding Elliott’s suspension are discussed. Andy Holloway announces, “The judge has denied the NFL's emergency motion for stay in Ezekiel Elliott preliminary injunction” (60:45), signaling Elliott’s potential return to play.

• Todd Gurley (St. Louis): With Gurley showing promise in the passing game, Andy Holloway remains cautious about his long-term value but acknowledges his current high usage (31:53).

• DeMarco Murray (Titans): Ongoing hamstring issues and inefficiency make Murray a player fantasy owners may consider benching or dropping (15:30).

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5. Stud Muffins of the Week

Quarterbacks:

• Tom Brady: Solid performance but labeled a “ham burger” regarding his second-half effort (25:03).
• Trevor Siemian: Noted for impressive performances, deemed “perfectly startable” (25:03).
• Carson Wentz: High pass volume makes him a reliable weekly starter (26:49).
• Drew Brees: Consistently productive despite recent game scripts (25:29).
• Derek Carr: Efficient and effective, impressing the hosts (25:29).

Running Backs:

• C.J. Anderson: Leading the Titans' offense with significant yards and touchdowns (29:05).
• Jamal Charles: Emerging as a valuable handcuff to Anderson, showing impressive yards per touch (30:25).

Wide Receivers:

• Michael Crabtree: Reliable with three touchdowns in Week 2 (38:05).
• Emmanuel Sanders: Double touchdown performance adds significant value (38:05).
• J.J. Nelson: High yardage and a touchdown make him a must-start during Nelson’s absence (38:05).
• Keenan Allen: Consistent target volume with substantial yardage (40:52).

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6. Rising Stars of the Week

Highlighted earlier, Buck Allen, C.J. Anderson, and Jarvis Landry are recognized for their breakout performances and increasing roles in their respective teams’ offenses.

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7. Dirty Laundry

Running Backs:

• Ezekiel Elliott: Jason Moore critiques Elliott’s underperformance, calling it the “worst game of his career” with only nine rushes for eight yards (50:34).
• Isaiah Crowell: Despite a lackluster Week 2, Jason Moore suggests he could be a buy-low with upcoming favorable matchups (53:00).

Wide Receivers:

• Amari Cooper: Struggles against top defenses and inconsistent target distribution make Cooper a risky start (55:18).
• Terrell Pryor: Continued underperformance warrants consideration for dropping (56:14).

Quarterbacks:

• Tyrod Taylor: Recent poor performance and facing a strong pass rush make Taylor a candidate for waiver pickups (46:36).

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8. Mailbag Question: Play Beckham Jr. or Sterling Shepard?

Fans posed the scenario: If you’re five points behind your opponent and Odell Beckham Jr. is questionable, should you start Beckham or default to Sterling Shepard?

• Andy Holloway advises starting Sterling Shepard in a full PPR league, citing Shepard’s guaranteed receptions (59:32).

• Jason Moore concurs, noting Beckham’s uncertainty and potential for lower point output (59:38).

Notable Quote:

Andy Holloway (59:32): “I go Sterling Shepard, because I think you'll get five in a full point PPR.”

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9. Legal Updates: Ezekiel Elliott

The episode concludes with significant news regarding Ezekiel Elliott’s suspension:

• Andy Holloway announces, “The judge has denied the NFL's emergency motion for stay in Ezekiel Elliott preliminary injunction” (60:45), indicating Elliott’s eligibility to play in Week 3.

• Jason Moore explains potential outcomes and advises fantasy owners to consider their RB roster strategies based on the court’s decision (51:34; 60:52).

Notable Quote:

Andy Holloway (61:05): “This year, I believe he's playing all year now.”

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Conclusion

Throughout the episode, the Fantasy Footballers deliver comprehensive analyses of Week 2 performances, providing listeners with actionable insights on which players to start, bench, or drop. They emphasize the importance of staying updated on player injuries and legal matters that could impact fantasy lineups. The discussion is enriched with candid opinions, strategic recommendations, and timely quotes, ensuring that both novice and seasoned fantasy managers gain valuable knowledge to enhance their teams.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Martavius Bryant (02:37): “Rip LeGarrett Blount is done for your fantasy team.”
• Andy Holloway (11:20): “How do you trust a guy that gets injured this often?”
• Andy Holloway (59:32): “I go Sterling Shepard, because I think you'll get five in a full point PPR.”
• Andy Holloway (61:05): “This year, I believe he's playing all year now.”

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Note: Advertisements, intros, outros, and non-content sections have been omitted to focus solely on the episode's substantive discussions and insights.

Transcript

[Martavius Bryant]

Hey, this is Martavius Bryant, aka Marty McBride, and you listen to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from the Play Draft Studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome in one and all. We're here.

[Martavius Bryant]

I'm here.

[Jason Moore]

We're back.

[Andy Holloway]

We're always here. We're part of your lives, and there's no getting rid of us.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the show. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Andy, Mike, and Jason back again. We're going to be in the thick of it today, talking about week two. All the studs, all the duds, all the players. We're done with all of our rising stars, all the injuries, the lunch bets. Okay, yeah, that too. So let's just get that out of the way. I lost to you two this week thanks to Randall Cobb coming through with enough last night.

[Martavius Bryant]

Well, what was very funny is, you know, we getting. We're about halfway through the afternoon games. We're like, oh, man, we gotta. We gotta check in on this. Because, of course, we're obsessed with our league of record, our Dynasty team, trying to figure all that out. And then I sink. I'm like, ah, crap. Yeah, Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

I get Crabtree.

[Martavius Bryant]

Jason, you have Crabtree.

[Andy Holloway]

So I win.

[Jason Moore]

Game over.

[Martavius Bryant]

And then I pull it out. I'm like, wait, no, I drafted Crabtree.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, darn it.

[Martavius Bryant]

I win.

[Andy Holloway]

So then Andy and I were in a real tight battle, but Randall Cobb pulled it out for me.

[Jason Moore]

Yep. Hey, Brooks, how'd your Dynasty team do? Oh.

[Martavius Bryant]

What are you doing over here?

[Andy Holloway]

One Dynasty. I won.

[Martavius Bryant]

Oh, in your face.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, one of.

[Andy Holloway]

One of them.

[Jason Moore]

One Dynasty.

[Andy Holloway]

One of my two Dynasty leagues. I won.

[Jason Moore]

Ah, that's. I see what you're doing the other where you face me.

[Martavius Bryant]

I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know. Okay, didn't check the score.

[Martavius Bryant]

Good, good. I'm not up to date on what happened over there.

[Jason Moore]

All right, look, you can find us on Twitter @ the FF Ballers. Here's the quick question of the day before we get into the rest of what happened in week two. Who is the player? All right, so who's a player that you are done with after their week two performance? So last week, maybe you gave him a pass. Maybe you said, wait and see. Now it's time to say farewell.

[Martavius Bryant]

I don't think I said any of these things about this player last week, but this is just. This is the confirmation people. We are. We have grabbed the handful of dirt and we are sprinkled it. We are gently sprinkling it.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

[Martavius Bryant]

We talked about him as a bust coming into the season, but LeGarrett blunt, it was bad week one. It was bad in the preseason. It came out before the week. They said, yeah, we're going to possibly limit his carries. Oh, they did. They limited him to the extreme to the tune of zero. Zero carries.

[Jason Moore]

Not a lot.

[Martavius Bryant]

What we can say for Legarre Blunt is his catch rate was 100% good job because he caught his only target for zero yards. So he got you that one PPR point. But it's done. It's. It's Rip LeGarrett blunt is. He is done for your fantasy team. I will see if anyone in Philadelphia can get anything going in that run.

[Andy Holloway]

Again, good offensive line. Have you seen so bizarre offense? A good offensive line?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. But the passing, it was like 46 to 19 or something like that because they can't run. They. I've never seen more backfields. And Jason's about to talk about one. I've never seen more backfields that are just useless than we've seen so far this year with Detroit, with New York, with Philly.

[Andy Holloway]

And now let me talk about who I'm done with up there in Seattle. You know who I'm really done with more than anything is the Seattle offensive line. I mean, goodness gracious, now Chris Carson got enough work and he has clearly since preseason, since camp week one, week two, he has looked good. We'll talk about him on the waiver wire show, I'm sure. But I am 100% done with the Thomas Rawls, Eddie Lacy conundrum competition. There is none.

[Martavius Bryant]

They're done with Lacey, too, apparently.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they're done with Lacy.

[Jason Moore]

Was a healthy scratch.

[Andy Holloway]

Was a healthy scratch.

[Jason Moore]

In fact, Thomas Rawls quite put up those blunt numbers.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Thomas Rawls almost. He almost matched him. He just needed that one catch for nothing. But they combined. Thomas Rawls and Eddie Lacy combined for four, five carries for four yards.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's cool, man. That's real cool.

[Andy Holloway]

Done. Write them off. Cut him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well, I. I had Thomas Rawls as my starting running back. See, here's. Here's the situation.

[Martavius Bryant]

Oh, man, it's getting emotional. Don't get emotional, Andy.

[Jason Moore]

I'm done with Rawls and I'm done. I'm done with Bilal. Pow. Oh.

[Andy Holloway]

Blown.

[Martavius Bryant]

Blown.

[Jason Moore]

Last week I lost David Johnson, blah, blah. And I went out and I made some moves and the running backs that I picked up, it ended up with me starting Rawls and Powell for less than two points.

[Andy Holloway]

Blah, blah, blah.

[Jason Moore]

Powell played 18 of 56 snaps. Forte was much better. And then Elijah McGuire was on the field.

[Andy Holloway]

Blow, blow, blow, blow.

[Jason Moore]

You're on a terrible team, Blough.

[Martavius Bryant]

And.

[Jason Moore]

You'Re worthless, and it sucks.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that was a lot of fun for me.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's disappointing, but Blal Pal is. I will say this, and it counteracts me starting him, but he was too old to be a part of their future. So clearly they're trying to rotate Elijah McGuire in. And Jason has made the point that they are trying their best to lose all their games, so he might be.

[Andy Holloway]

Too good for that team.

[Jason Moore]

This makes perfect sense. The problem was, is I played him thinking, you know what? I'm gonna bench ap because ap.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You know, it's just not going to be there. They're probably playing from behind, not going to catch the ball. At least. Powell get five or six targets? Nope. Nope. All right, well, I haven't quite recovered from this weekend's endeavors, but let's go and get in the rewind.

[Andy Holloway]

Weekly rewind.

[Jason Moore]

Finding running backs is hard. It's hard to do.

[Martavius Bryant]

That's why we say, stock up in your draft.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. All right. Well, Sam Bradford didn't play late. Scratch Sunday morning escalated very quickly.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Did you see him warm up? Did you see what the.

[Martavius Bryant]

I did not see it.

[Andy Holloway]

Either of you.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I did.

[Andy Holloway]

He stood there like a statue and threw a ball twice, and then it was like, yep, I can't move. I'm done.

[Jason Moore]

Ian rapoport said the ACL's fine. Other ligaments are fine. It's a swelling and discomfort issue. And they expect him. At least as of today, Monday, September 18th, they expect him to play in week three.

[Andy Holloway]

What's crazy is that the MRI was hard to read because of the amount of scar tissue from the previous surgery. So I think they weren't. I mean, it's rare that you get an MRI and aren't confident in the results where you're like, I'm not sure what I'm looking at here.

[Martavius Bryant]

On the best part was Mike Zimmer saying he's fine. He's either going to miss this week and he'll play next week or he'll miss six weeks, but either way, he's fine.

[Andy Holloway]

That does not mean fine. Mike Zimmer.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he doesn't know what that means.

[Andy Holloway]

So for fantasy purposes, I think we. Some of it was the defense of the Steelers, but Sam Bradford is. Is a much better quarterback, and he fits this system. He was good with these wide receivers. You're going to have to pay attention to this, not just for Bradford, but if you are a. Kyle Rudolph.

[Jason Moore]

Owner Stefan Diggs. Two for 27.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not Adam. Good with Adam.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Adam Thielen had a. He had a few catches, too, but it's a huge downgrade for all of those pieces. It's a downgrade for Dalvin Cook because you. You cannot and do not have to honor the passing game. 5 for 44 for Thielen. Both of them went way down my rankings at the last minute on Sunday. Rudolph, too. All right. Jordy Nelson. Jordy Nelson did what owners dream of. If you're playing against Jordy Nelson with the game on the line, which is start the game instantly, get hurt, and then score zero points.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but for everyone else, for anybody.

[Jason Moore]

Who owned him, you're worried. And he left with a quad injury. He remained questionable throughout the game until the very end of the fourth quarter. They moved him to out. He was seen essentially on the exercise bike. We think this is a contusion of some sort, but hopefully he'll be back next week because they missed him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, we've got an entire season of seeing how this offense can be hurt and fall apart without Jordy Nelson. At least fall from the. You know, from the place.

[Jason Moore]

Stoppable reaches.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Randall Cobb, left with a shoulder injury, was looking great in this game.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yes, he was.

[Andy Holloway]

When it comes to the packers as a whole, I don't remember the last time I saw a team that went from healthy week one to. I mean, they lost both starting tackles before last night. They lost their two starting wide receivers. They lost cornerbacks and safeties. I mean, they went from a healthy team that with a defense that looked good to now all of a sudden, it's like just like last year. Last year, early on in the season, they lost so many pieces. I feel bad as a. For any packers fans out there listening.

[Jason Moore]

Well, Rogers didn't.

[Martavius Bryant]

Sorry.

[Jason Moore]

Rogers never had the opportunity. Now, it's a testament to Aaron Rodgers what he pulled together towards the end of this game because he actually gave you a fine fantasy game. But he didn't have any of those opportunities to sit in the pocket for two seconds to wait for something to develop downfield. And he was working with Geronimo Allison.

[Martavius Bryant]

Marcellus Bennett looked like Russell Wilson.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah, he did. Rob Gronkowski dealing with a groin injury. Ian Rapaport says that it is not believed to be serious. Gronkowski himself said he is fine, but is it the Zimmer fine or is it the real fine that Words getting.

[Martavius Bryant]

Thrown around a lot these days. I think he'll be okay. He was on the bike.

[Jason Moore]

You think I'm fine. After Blau Powell and Thomas Rawls.

[Andy Holloway]

No, it's definitely scary. I mean, you know, when you've got a guy that's dealt with injuries, growing is something that, you know, you could be, quote, fine, and then next game he goes out, hurts it in the first quarter and sits.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yes. A groin injury is now.

[Jason Moore]

Gronkowski was dominant, dominant, so people were happy to see that. But the injuries to the tight end position, they continued. Greg Olson broke his foot out six.

[Andy Holloway]

To eight weeks having surgery. So put him on your IR or cut him.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, if this helped McCaffrey, I.

[Andy Holloway]

Don'T think it helps anybody. Yeah, the one guy that it might help help is Kelvin Benjamin, because when you're looking downfield, it's interesting.

[Jason Moore]

I would think it would help the underneath guy because Olson is generally in the slot.

[Martavius Bryant]

Greg Olson's so important to this offense. I think it just hurts everyone.

[Jason Moore]

Three catches on the year is all he has for this offense.

[Martavius Bryant]

And we've seen the offense for the Panthers has been pretty bad.

[Jason Moore]

You know, what's funny is you're right. They won again. And Cam Newton's actual production in the passing game, all the metrics are very good. He didn't like his performance, but his completion percentage was in the 60s this week. He protected the ball, and I'm just kind of intrigued by the fact that his actual, you know, accuracy was improved in this game. So we'll see what happens. Jordan Reed, diagnosed with an AC joint sprain, returned later in the game. Jordan Reed is always hurt in at least three different places on his body.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, he's got a fractured toe, chest, ac, everything. It's just top to bottom. This is why I was avoiding him this year and going forward. I mean, how do you trust. How do you trust a guy that gets injured this often?

[Jason Moore]

I mean, you mix it with how the offense has looked, and that's trouble.

[Martavius Bryant]

This putrid.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you. Are you. I mean, if you're a Jordan Reed owner. Right. You're worried you're struggling. Are you two. I know my answer, but are you two. Would you consider trying to buy Jordan Reed cheap because the owner might be off of him?

[Jason Moore]

I would consider it, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Martavius Bryant]

I would absolutely consider it because of what he can do. But it was for that Beginning, you know, LeGarrett blunt, for the player I'm done with. That was because people need to hear LeGarrett blunt, my close second was A. Not a. Done. Like this is final. But Kirk Cousins. I mean, what has happened to that offense? They. Jason, you can ride around on your victory bike.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but you can't. You can't ride around on that with the Falcons. You're 50, 50 on the offenses you hated.

[Andy Holloway]

That wasn't on my bold predictions show, though. That was.

[Martavius Bryant]

But I mean, it was what happened. I mean, it. Kirk Cousins just. He looks terrified. I mean, he was not willing to throw the ball.

[Jason Moore]

He was actually like. I mean, as an NFL quarterback, he was conservative. 22 for 27. They just wanted to run the ball. I mean, p. Ryan had 21 carries after Robert Kelly. I'm just saying, like, this was a. This was a Gruden decision to basically run it down their throat, figure they'll survive.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yes. But I'm saying when. When given the opportunity to pass, you would see him look and go, oh, no, no, no, no, no. And he would just dump it short. I mean, there was very few deep shots taken, which agreed. That's not the normal Kirk Cousins MO.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, they got an offensive coordinator change and a lot of missing weapons in the passing game and they won the game. Keep that in mind. Like, you know, they go, okay, we ran the ball. We were super conservative with the offense and we pulled out a w. Let's stay there with.

[Jason Moore]

Rob Kelly might have a fractured rib. After he was running and rumbling, he was looking fantastic. They were moving and shaking that. That offensive line and Rob Kelly was getting downhill and it was tough to stop. So Rob Kelly, though a fractured rib. I did a little of my own research because I may or may not have some ojib right on my roster. And I wanted to see this recovery time. If you fracture your rib, I mean, I think you're talking at least four to six weeks.

[Martavius Bryant]

Well, it's a fractured rib for a running back, I think is always pain tolerance. They'll put him in the jacket, in a flak jacket and see can you be effective? Are you able to play through it? So this, this will be all on Rob Kelly.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I don't know. I think when you have a bruised rib, it's different than if you have fractured the rib.

[Martavius Bryant]

Possibly. I'm thinking back to maybe Trent Richardson didn't actually break his. Break a rib. Yeah, he had that series of games where, I mean, he was really inefficient when he had to wear the jacket. So I'm not excited for Rob Kelly to wear.

[Jason Moore]

He's still going to miss two to.

[Andy Holloway]

Three when he took Three weeks off. He was also very inefficient.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they basically set you. It'll depend on whether the fracture is displaced. It'll depend on whether or not, you know, you shoot him up with pain medicine. But I would expect a minimum of a two game miss for him if he has a fractured rib.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So that's going to make P. Ryan one of the targets in the waiver wire segment that we get into tomorrow. All right. DeMarco Murray, not a good two first games. Precautionary second half exit due to hamstring.

[Martavius Bryant]

Tightness and team dominance.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that game went from 3:3 to halftime.

[Andy Holloway]

It was like there's no points being scored and then I look up and it's like 30.

[Martavius Bryant]

Part of that was Derek Henry, who had a great game. So do we.

[Jason Moore]

Career high.

[Martavius Bryant]

We have been staunch DeMarco Murray supporters on this show. Murray has shown to be inefficient. I mean, it's only been two games, but now dealing with hamstring, I think it's his job.

[Jason Moore]

And that's not still. That's where I'll start on the conversation is the job is DeMarco Murray. They're not going to take the job from him. If he's healthy, then you have to address the health piece. Does he come back and play him? You know, does it take him three weeks to get back from a hamstring soreness or not? I mean, that's a different evaluation. I don't think there's any circumstance in which a healthy DeMarco Murray is taking a back seat as of his performance so far.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, this next week I could see if they limit his reps. They've got Seattle Seahawks, you know, a good run.

[Martavius Bryant]

D. Carlos, I did not think so.

[Andy Holloway]

That is certainly true. I mean, man, the Seahawks as a team did not struggling.

[Martavius Bryant]

They're struggling.

[Jason Moore]

All right, I want to talk about this situation because I've done a lot of research on it. Jordan Howard left Sunday's game. He was very bad in the limited work he got. He was very unhappy in the limited work he got. He had his arm in a sling. He has not spoken to reporters. He has skipped media portions. John Fox sounds like there's a frustration or something building there because he basically said, well, yeah, you got to talk to the player. From what I understand and from Chicago fans, there was a sense that he was phased out of the game plan now for two weeks in a row. And he's their best player. They're superstar. So there's frustration there. How do you approach both the buy low opportunity of Jordan Howard and the fact he's been terrible? I mean, there are people, a lot of people. He was okay.

[Martavius Bryant]

He was okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

He had the touchdown, but he was phased out of the offense to the degree that Tariq Cohen had a massive usage in that game. There are a lot of people that drafted, you know, David Johnson and then Howard in the second round. And you're. Now you're wanting to start Thomas Rawls and Blau Powell because you don't have anybody.

[Martavius Bryant]

I mean, it's. It's rough. I don't know any of those other pieces. I. What I know is that he's been dealing with a shoulder injury and it was clearly worse than they let on through the week because he was not able to finish the game. So that's. That's where I'm putting my stock in that is that it is an injury. He is still their best grinder, but how bad is his shoulder messed up? That's the question, and we don't have answers on Monday.

[Jason Moore]

Would you buy him low right now? Somebody's going to be. He is one of the highest candidates for tilt right now. DeMarco Murray is one of them. I think there'll be people trading to Michael Murray. I think there'll be people trading Jordan Howard, so. And they'll be trading Isaiah Crowell.

[Martavius Bryant]

Right. I think I still. I would still buy low on Jordan Howard.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. All right. Rex Burkhead left the game with a rib injury. Just adding to the laundry list of problems that the Patriots have because Dorsett also left the game with a knee injury. And we're down to two wide receivers.

[Andy Holloway]

Two total.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yes. They had three active wide receivers.

[Andy Holloway]

You know what's funny is before, before the season, it was one of those situations where it's like, Tom Brady looks great, but I don't want to deal with any of the pass catching options because there's too many. You're not going to know if it goes to Malcolm Mitchell. You're not going to know if it goes Chris Hogan or Cooks or Amendola or Edelman or. I mean, there's just too many. Now it's Hogan.

[Jason Moore]

Well, James White is just a core, integral piece of the offense. That's the takeaway here, is James White will be involved each and every week. And I would target James White because I don't think that the perceived value of James White it matches the actual value of James White.

[Martavius Bryant]

I hope you bought him last week. We were talking about it, but still.

[Jason Moore]

He was a 13 point week. I mean, he had a good week, but I still think you can buy him cheaper than what he's worth.

[Martavius Bryant]

Amendola will be back. I'm just saying he will be back.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a good point.

[Jason Moore]

Is that from his publicist or.

[Martavius Bryant]

No, he'll be back and then he'll be gone, and then he'll be back and then he'll be gone.

[Andy Holloway]

When he comes back, you will play him for three quarters.

[Martavius Bryant]

Exactly.

[Andy Holloway]

You'll get a full game's worth of value.

[Martavius Bryant]

That was my only point.

[Jason Moore]

Very unfortunate. Corey Davis exited with a hamstring injury, didn't return to the game for Tennessee.

[Martavius Bryant]

And Cole, the other Corey, the battle of the 80s. Corey's. Corey Coleman broke his hand.

[Jason Moore]

Which.

[Martavius Bryant]

This guy has hand issues.

[Jason Moore]

It's the same thing happened last year.

[Martavius Bryant]

Well, that was, I believe, his thumb.

[Jason Moore]

That's part of your hand.

[Martavius Bryant]

No, I got it. But when you say I broke my hand or I broke my thumb, you.

[Andy Holloway]

Don'T have five fingers. You have four fingers. That's a thumb. That's what you do.

[Jason Moore]

Are you preemptively striking on Twitter with that one?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I'm mocking Mike for discluding the thumb from the.

[Martavius Bryant]

I am not discluding.

[Jason Moore]

What does discluding mean? That is not a word.

[Andy Holloway]

It sure is discluding.

[Jason Moore]

Brooks.

[Martavius Bryant]

Just saying that.

[Jason Moore]

Brooks, Shake your head one way or another.

[Andy Holloway]

No, he's giving me the thumb. He's saying no, darn it.

[Jason Moore]

Discluding the thumb.

[Andy Holloway]

I disclude your argument, sir.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we are going to get into the stud muffins. Before we do that, we want to thank the sponsors of today's show. Look, this one. Both of our sponsors of today's show. This goes out to the business owners, the business leaders out there. Tell me if you said any of these things. Why is it taking accounting so long to close your books? Why am I not getting sales information on a real time basis? We beat our revenue goal, but we lost money. What do you mean? We're getting audited. Look, it sounds like if those are the questions you're asking, that you've outgrown your business management software and QuickBooks and spreadsheets. They may have worked fine at the beginning of your business, but now there's too many mistakes, too many delays, and you got to get fast answers. I want to tell you about the number one business management software solution for growing companies, and that is netsuite from Oracle. Netsuite lets you see what's going on in your business in real time. We're Talking revenue, expenses, customers, orders, even hr. And you can run it from a dashboard on your phone if you want to. And with hands on help, you're up and running really quick. That's why thousands of companies across America use NetSuite. They're 10 times larger than the nearest competitor and it's the last system you will need as a business owner. So go to netsuite.com fantasy to get your free guide called Overcoming youg 5 Obstacles to Growth. That's netsuite.com fantasy. To get your free guide and find out how NetSuite can simplify your life, go to netsuite.com Fantasy yeah, and all.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Tyler Ifert was feeling jealous about the all the injuries at the tight end position. He's apparently battling back now from knee and back issues and his status is uncertain for week three in Lambeau. It could be another long week for Andy Dalton, a player that I think was eligible for consideration in the players we're done with, but I'm not going to go that far. They changed their offensive coordinator. Bill Lazer is now the offensive coordinator and I'm going to give him an opportunity to turn things around.

[Martavius Bryant]

Although Mutiny say, where's the opportunity going to happen, though? Is it on, on the waiver wire or is it on your bench?

[Jason Moore]

It's going to be on the waiver wire because that's where he belonged anyway. You're streaming Andy Dalton. You're not locking him in as your year long starter. By the way, this just in as well. Disclude is apparently a word. However, it's, it's, it's normal meaning is to disclose or to make known.

[Andy Holloway]

So totally fine. You would basically say no, that's what I meant.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, I discluded some information about Bilal Pal snap count.

[Andy Holloway]

What?

[Jason Moore]

And it was very.

[Andy Holloway]

That sounds worse than what I. Than how I used it.

[Jason Moore]

Well, there is the secondary meaning, which is to exclude.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, in your face. Judge Giamatti gave me a negative headshake. I disclude your headshake, sir.

[Jason Moore]

All right, moving on.

[Andy Holloway]

This week's fantasy stud muffins.

[Jason Moore]

Do not be quick to disclude Jason's words. Right, right.

[Andy Holloway]

The point still stands. And also this just in. Tom Brady's. Very good.

[Jason Moore]

Is that a disclusion?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, I would like to disclude to everybody. So you wait. So it could either mean inclusion or exclusion.

[Martavius Bryant]

What kind of word.

[Andy Holloway]

What kind of word means opposite things from itself? That's my kind of word.

[Martavius Bryant]

Oh, the English language.

[Jason Moore]

Tom Brady, Trevor, Simeon, Carson Wentz, Drew Brees and Derek Carr. The quarterback stud muffins of the week. Brady went ham burger and Fry is 447 and 3 and didn't really do anything in the second half because he didn't need to. Simeon, a very impressive first two weeks. In fact, Simeon and Wentz both perfectly startable the first two weeks. More than startable.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me pause there and just give a shout out to Mike.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah, baby.

[Andy Holloway]

And also an advertisement, if you will, to the DFS pod that the fantasy footballers are doing every Friday that Mike is hosting.

[Jason Moore]

You know, you're talking about the fantasy footballers DFS show on itunes.

[Andy Holloway]

What a great name, Andy. Yeah, the fantasy footballers DFS show on itunes that if you listened this past week, you saw that Mike's stack was his recommended stack for big games was Trevor Simeon and Emmanuel Sanders.

[Martavius Bryant]

That felt good.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that stacks a lot of money. Or, you know, you can still get information for. I mean, you're just talking fantasy football information. So no matter whether you play DFS or not, if you want more fantasy footballers, listen to the DFS show.

[Jason Moore]

I will. I can testify to this fact sitting on the couch. No high five was smacked harder than the ones that Mike had for that stack because he was well invested on winning you some chaos. All right. Carson Wentz, 25 for 4646 pass attempts. 333 and 2. Look, 46 pass attempts alone. All of a sudden, Carson Wentz looks like you can start him every week. I mean, I don't care what else happens. If you're passing the ball 46 times, pretty good defense. Even though Barry was out, Andy has.

[Andy Holloway]

He's always one of those guys that can have a game like this one where he adds 55 yards on the ground. When you have that baseline, we talk about that with like, Tyrod Taylor, that that means you're going to be fantasy safe. Your floor raises up when you are a running quarterback or have the ability to. So I think Carson Wentz is a really. He's a weekly.

[Martavius Bryant]

He's interesting.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a guy you need to look at.

[Martavius Bryant]

Gets the Giants next week. Still interested.

[Andy Holloway]

He's at home, at least less interested. But I mean, think about this past week, right? Kansas City, not the best matchup, but there weren't good streaming options. We said this was one of the harder weeks in our memory of picking a good streaming option. When you're in that situation, I think Carson Wentz, because of volume and legs. Yeah, I would be interested.

[Jason Moore]

Volume and legs. Drew Brees.

[Martavius Bryant]

Legs and volume. Volume and legs.

[Jason Moore]

Derek Carr. Carr has really impressed me so far this year. I'm excited for what Oakland can do with what they have on both sides of the ball right now. He was. Carr was hyper, efficient. 28 pass a 20. So you've got 18 less than Carson. Wentz still threw an extra touchdown. All of them went to Crabtree. Oh, Michael Crabtree getting it done once again. Anybody else you want to mention at the quarterback position? I mean, I think. I think Simeon people want to know, do you pick him up? He's got Buffalo next week. I think you could stream him.

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely. He's looked good two weeks in a row. And I mean, and he's got great receiving options. Offensive line is better.

[Martavius Bryant]

Buffalo and then Oakland.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's not terrible. Stream it up.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You know what was crazy about how dominant Denver was is they had the perfect balance of pass run. You couldn't. Dallas would not be able to stop the run. Not be able to stop the run. Not be able to stop the run. And then right when they'd stack the box, he'd make a play. He's got Demarious Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders. It was pretty impressive all the way around. All right. The running back Stud muffins of the week. We keep it right there in Denver. C.J. anderson had, I believe, the highest week of Any running back this week? 30 something points in our league of record, 25 for 118 and one caught three for 36 and a touchdown through the air and continues to do what we know, which is when he's healthy, he's pretty good.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Are you. Is this a level up for C.J. anderson this year? Are we waiting for the injury to happen?

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah, I think it's just. He's really healthy right now and I know it's narrative and everything, but he, he did talk about this offseason that he has changed some things up the way that he is approaching the game, approaching his health and he was frequently one of those players who would show up to training camp out of shape. So if he maybe he's really doing the right things to take to be a professional and take care of his body, I mean, I wouldn't. He's. He's still a more fragile running back than others. But right now you ride Anderson. I'm not selling him, but I'm probably not buying him because the price is going to be too high.

[Jason Moore]

One more thought on Anderson that I have is, you know, we talk most of the time the handcuff doesn't become relevant till the end of the year. But I think in Denver, with what I've seen with my eyes of Jamal Charles, you should acquire him because if you have the stack of C.J. anderson and Charles, I think you're insured a very productive fantasy running back for the duration of the year. Charles has looked quick, fast. I think he's averaging 5.2 yards a touch this year, which is impressive through two games. I don't think that there's any question that if C.J. anderson went down, you'd see a significant increase in the workload for Charles that would translate to fantasy points. Do you agree?

[Andy Holloway]

I agree. I was going to bring that up if you didn't. So 100% agree.

[Jason Moore]

We have two for the people.

[Andy Holloway]

We have too large a history of knowing that CJ Anderson playing 16 games probably isn't going to happen. And when he goes down, Jamal Charles will be relevant.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Time. Montgomery start of the week. Dominated. Dominated last night. Looked great, didn't have enough. This is the beauty, the beautiful thing about Tom Montgomery, right. Game script was disgusting and still put up. I think the second highest week for a fantasy running back this week because of his production through the air. Six for 75 and a touchdown on seven targets. And it's only going to get better for Montgomery in the target department. If Jordy Nelson or Randall Cobb missed time and if the offensive line can't hold up, those little shovel passes, those little screen passes, they're just going to be part of the repertoire. And he got basically every snap in this game.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah, there's nothing to argue.

[Andy Holloway]

Full workhorse.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we got to talk about Todd Gurley. Todd Gurley threw two games, 20 plus fantasy points per game, on pace for over 800 receiving yards. If this trend continues, 3 for 48 and a touchdown through the air, 16 for 88. Which, by the way, the 88 yards on the ground is the most since the four games in his rookie year. One touchdown on the ground. The offense seems capable of moving the ball in extended drives. Todd Gurley, what are your thoughts on Mr. Gurley for the remainder of the season?

[Andy Holloway]

You know, look, I think he was showing some stuff you hoped to see this last game. He looked better than he has. I am still not a believer long term. I think that, you know, you can get value from him that is, that is very high right now. People are now buying into Todd Gurley. Is the Todd Gurley, the elite Todd Gurley. I might hold onto him for one more week. They play the 49ers coming up. If he puts back to back to back games to start the season, then you know you're going to be able to sell him very, very high. And those are three matchups where I expect he could. Now, you might not want to sell him because he will hold value. He's not going to just collapse because he's.

[Jason Moore]

He's on the field the whole game.

[Andy Holloway]

His volume and his usage now in.

[Jason Moore]

The past, you know, he reminds me of. I think he's Melvin Gordon. I think he's in the exact. I think he's in the exact same situation as Melvin Gordon was last year where Melvin Gordon wasn't. This game, to Gurley's credit, 5.5 a.

[Andy Holloway]

Carry, but not a good enough offense. That's the huge difference to me.

[Jason Moore]

I think that you got to remember last year's offense for Los Angeles. It wasn't exactly a world beater offense. This was a team that lost a ton of games. I think I'm seeing the same things. I'm seeing him always on the field, always targeted. Yeah, I'm looking at Mike. I want to hear what Mike has to say.

[Andy Holloway]

What do you got, Mike?

[Martavius Bryant]

I've been saying that for years, that they're the same guy. Todd Gurley and Melvin Gordon are both not the best running backs, but the volume is incredible and they're going to be. They're going to be okay for fantasy. I would, I would probably still rather have Gordon right now at this moment. But you got to give credit where it's due. Gurley looked fantastic in the passing game. I'm with Jason that I'm still not bought into the resurgence of the running game. Could be. I mean they did, they spent a lot of money to improve that offensive line.

[Andy Holloway]

But I'm going to, I'm going to change my. When I said you could also hold on to him because I don't think he is actually a very good running back. I think he's just, you know, really capitalizing on situation. I'm going to hold him for another week, play him against the 49ers and then I am going to trade him. Listen to his schedule coming up after, Cowboys after, that's fine. But this schedule is brutal for a big chunk of the season. Seahawks, Jaguars, Cardinals, Giants, Texans, Vikings.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah, that's rough.

[Andy Holloway]

That's not like, okay, you got a two game stretch where it's going to be hard. That's six games in a row where you've got like six of the top 10 defenses.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Seattle got ran on. Cardinals haven't shown that they can stop the run.

[Martavius Bryant]

It's, it's the, it's the passing game that changes everything for Gurley. When we saw that transition last year of actually getting him involved, he's, he'll be sustainable. You're not going to get sustainable top 5 type of numbers from him, but he'll, I think he'll end up being, going back to that fine running back too.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we need to move on. Kareem Hunt had another great week. Devonta Freeman, Chris Thompson, Buck Allen, Melvin Gordon, Carlos Hyde. And then a little garbage time for Jalen Richard. So pick a name out that you want to talk about fantasy wise from that group of stud muffins.

[Martavius Bryant]

I'm going to talk about Chris Thompson real quick because he got him. He's a guy that we have liked on this show for years and because he flashes, he passes the eye test. He's the passing down back for a good offense. Well, what was supposed to be a good offense but it's never really come through. The fantasy power for Chris Thompson. Just like he catches some passes, it just never has happened. But now, two weeks in a row, granted they're on big plays that are not sustainable. But Chris Thompson, you're shaking your head.

[Jason Moore]

I'm shaking my head because it's not going to happen again. I mean it. I know he'll be A big buy this week if Robert Kelly misses time. But Thompson's been in this situation with injuries in front of him before. And it's just if you get in the end zone, you're really happy. If you don't, the volume, even in this game, where the P. Ryan confidence would be at the lowest it could possibly be. What was it, six touches?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's right.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, that's the problem. And p. Ryan had 21 carries after that time. They didn't throw Thompson out there. So I'm just saying be careful. You don't have value. But he's still more in the Shane Vereen category than he is a starting fantasy running back to me.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. Javorius Allen, Buck Allen, that's the guy I would talk about. Because on the flip side to having only six touches, you've got 42 snaps to back weeks of around 20 touches. If you get, you know, any team anywhere, if you're getting 20 touches a week, you will be fantasy relevant. He's involved in the passing game like we thought he would. He caught five balls for 35 yards and a touchdown. I really like what I'm seeing there and I don't. I don't think he's going to be like right now. And for the next seven weeks until Danny Woodhead comes back, Buck Allen is going to be a weekly starter. You're going to start him pretty much every single week. When he comes back, I don't necessarily know that. That Buck Allen is just gone and that they won't use him and involve him at all.

[Jason Moore]

Buck Allen's great and you need to sell Terrence west, sell him while he's getting you the periodic touchdown. Because he was in. Alex Collins played, I think eight snaps. I think, I think Wes played like 16, something like. Could you check on that for me? The breakdown was 42 snaps for Buck Allen to 16, I believe for Terrence West. And when Terrence west scores and gives you double digits, that's when I would sell a guy personally.

[Andy Holloway]

He only had eight carries for 22 yards and a touchdown, two receptions.

[Jason Moore]

Terrible. That's a goal line back work. That's what that is.

[Martavius Bryant]

22% of the snaps.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, he will get the goal line, but I just hate banking on goal line. Like I'd rather start Tavorious every week.

[Martavius Bryant]

I would have talked about Javorius Allen, but I was saving him for our next, our upcoming section. So I'll just point people back to this when the touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

So much to talk about. All right, wide receivers that had monster weeks. Michael Crabtree, three touchdowns. Emmanuel Sanders, a pair of touchdowns. J.J. nelson. Yep, that's the five for 120 and one. I got a lot of grief for recommending him after Jaron Brown went down. And I. John Brown. John Brown. I said that at the beginning of the week, like the second they started talking about John Brown not playing. J.J. nelson just has a rapport with Palmer. That Jaron Brown, that golden. And the weapons are limited. They couldn't run the ball. They can't run the ball. They played pretty darn bad in this game. But J.J. nelson, 5 for 120 and a touchdown. I think you pick him up.

[Martavius Bryant]

Oh, yeah, he's absolutely worth a pickup for sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Because it looks like right now John Brown's going to miss multiple weeks. And if that happens, J.J. nelson will be relevant. Dallas Geraldine, San Francisco looked that great. He's not been involved. Devonte Adams, to me, was a guy, you know, I was trying to recommend him anywhere and everywhere that I could.

[Martavius Bryant]

That touchdown catch was. Was amazing.

[Andy Holloway]

And he's made those a lot. I mean, you know, you're talking about 10 targets, eight receptions, basically 100 yards and a touchdown. You're going to be fine with that. Jermaine curse. Kind of got to keep a look up for it. I mean, he still only had five targets.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

But he had.

[Jason Moore]

He's the number one. And I think I heard on the broadcast yesterday he's kind of the, you know, he's a man among boys in that. In that offensive room, in the wide receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

NFL wide receiver that they have.

[Jason Moore]

That would be a good way to put it. So he's. He's worth a flyer. Big game from Evans. Jeffrey. Nice to see him. Have a solid game. The alien Martavis Bryant, 3 for 91 and 1 on 4 targets. So welcome to the normal Martavis. That's Bryant line. You also had a rush. I saw an in around Jarvis Landry, 1313 reception.

[Andy Holloway]

Talk about him in a second as well.

[Jason Moore]

Dez Bryant lived up to what Mike said.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah, baby.

[Jason Moore]

Struggled mildly in this game. I mean, 15 targets, only seven receptions on those targets. And yet it didn't matter. I mean, there's two ways to look at that. One is that Bryant continues to struggle against top DBs. It's just a fact. The other is they pepper him with targets regardless and he's their only red zone option. So you're going to see this situation, I think, down the line. I think you have three matchups the rest of the way where you don't have a Premier name worthy corner covering him, but I still want him.

[Andy Holloway]

Well.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah, two of them are coming up here. He has to take on Arizona. That'll be a tough match of the Patrick Peterson, but then the Rams and Green Bay.

[Jason Moore]

Trumane Johnson.

[Martavius Bryant]

I'm not worried about Des in that. In. In those two matchups, Hogan had a good game.

[Jason Moore]

Five or 78 and a touchdown. Keenan Allen, nine for 100 on 10 targets.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah, baby.

[Jason Moore]

Brandon Coleman and Rashard Higgins, who I think needs to be talked about. We'll talk about him tomorrow on the waiver show.

[Martavius Bryant]

Brandon Coleman was a thorn in my butt this week. I was watching the game with Brooks and just in all these receptions, I'm like, is that freaking Brandon Coleman again?

[Jason Moore]

Gronkowski, Kelsey Whitten once again, 10 receptions for Whitten. Game script played a huge part in that. They were pretty much just catching up from the beginning. Delaney Walker, 4 for 61 and had a rushing touchdown. Ben Watson.

[Andy Holloway]

Watson is. Needs to be talked about because I think a lot of people he's going to be the one that is completely under the radar. People don't realize what he did because when they're going and looking at everybody's rosters and looking at their league scoreboard, they're not going to see Ben Watson because he's not even on somebody's bench. He's. He's out on the waivers and he was really involved. I loved Ben Watson early this offseason because I was hoping he would go into that Dennis Pitta role. Then it looked like he wasn't even the starting tight end. But now we have one game for Baltimore, just one, where they actually, we're not, you know, up by, you know, three scores with five Andy Dalton turnovers. And in that single game where they had to throw the ball a little bit. 6. What did he get? Ben Watson had eight receptions for 91 yards. That's the Dennis Pitta role. And if you're in a PPR league, pick him up.

[Jason Moore]

There's so many worse.

[Andy Holloway]

If you had Greg Olson, if you had, you know, maybe even Tyler Ifer or all these guys that are getting injured, yeah, you could do worse than Ben Watson.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. I also want to throw in the Buccaneers. D had a great performance against Chicago this week. They have Minnesota next week. And so if it's Keenum. If it's Keenum, they're a great start again. And then they have the Giants after that. Not exactly intimidating right now.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah, that's a solid place.

[Jason Moore]

Something to. Something to pay attention to.

[Andy Holloway]

Raising canes, rising Stars of the week.

[Jason Moore]

This one might be quick. We've kind of talked about all three guys, but let's just throw them out there. Who you're picking out as your rising star, Mike?

[Martavius Bryant]

It's. It's Buck Allen. It's the snaps. It's 42 of the 68 snaps. This is how crazy the NFL is. Last year, the team wanted absolutely nothing to do with Buck Allen. It was Kenneth Dixon coming in to replace him, Terrence west, what looked like an adequate running back, and now an injury. They added Danny Wood in the off season to a nice contract for a guy of his age, and they're like, okay, well, now Buck Allen's our guy, and we're going to roll with him. So he is absolutely my rising star. Getting the snaps. He's the pass catcher. You always want a running back who can. Who has that part of his game. But then 14 carries on top of that, that's. Those are absolutely sensational numbers. Tariq Cohen was the hot pickup week one because Allen was the cheap. We all anticipated. Well, you saw Allen out, out, carry Terrence west in week one, you're like, well, fourth quarter, Allen really padded his stats with carries, everything. Maybe this, this could be the truth here for Buck Allen, and he ends up being the steal of the waiver wire.

[Andy Holloway]

And the nice thing is he's actually looked good as well. My rising star, without a doubt, is Jarvis Landry. Jarvis Landry is a guy that, as time has gone on with Jay Cutler, has just been falling in all of our hearts. I mean, the average draft position of Jarvis Landry just got lower and lower and lower. The closer to the season we got, it's going to be. It's going to be Parker. You know, Jarvis isn't going to get that involved, and he was more involved than. Than he was with Ryan Tannehill. I mean, you're talking about 15 targets now. We were joking, you know, through the game. It's funny. His line is. His targets aren't that quite as valuable. Right. His line was 13 receptions for only 78 yards. That is a.

[Martavius Bryant]

That's a. That's an accomplishment, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. It's hard to have that few yards with 13 receptions in the NFL, but he's good. He's involved. If you're in any kind of ppr, half full, Jarvis Landry is going to be awesome. He's going to be safe. And I think that Jay Cutler can move the ball. His upcoming schedule, I mean, is great. The jets, the Saints, the Titans.

[Jason Moore]

It's something that we said I mean, Landry is too good of a player. There cannot be an overreaction there. He's too good of a player to be ignored. C.J. anderson. We've made the case. We've talked about C.J. anderson. Great game. He's my rising star of the week. I think Anderson is just in a great position with an offense that seems to have taken a step forward in some degree. And so Anderson is the lead back there. The defense puts them in a position to be leading a lot of games. So as long as Anderson stays healthy, I think you're going to see the wear down type of back that he is. And look, the thing about Anderson is from snap 1 to snap 50, you get the same effort from him. He's always out there grinding it out. So I like that. So those were Buck Allen, C.J. anderson, Jarvis Landry, the raising cane. Rising stars of the week. Remember, game day tastes better with raising canes. Tailgates full of fresh 24 hour marinated hand battered chicken fingers and fresh brewed sweet tea. Visit raisingcanes.com find your nearest location. All right, guys, it's time to air the dirty laundry.

[Andy Holloway]

Pooped in his big boy pants. Whoo. All right.

[Martavius Bryant]

Well, some dirty pants.

[Jason Moore]

Some dirty pants. Not a good game from Tyrod Taylor. No struggle. Now has Denver Atlanta, who has a pass rush that could give him trouble. Tyra Taylor needs to be on your waiver wire.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Especially coming up with Denver. No way. You're not going to play him there. Andy Dalton never took off his pants from week one. He just kept going right in.

[Jason Moore]

Two weeks worth of dirty.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Pants.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

Time to do some laundry. Dalton. Did you hear Mike Florio was saying that some of the players, some of the actual players there were calling for Kaepernick?

[Jason Moore]

It's a reflect for Kaepernick. Oh, yeah.

[Martavius Bryant]

They're bypassing McCarron.

[Jason Moore]

This is.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, that's players. That's not going to happen. This is just. It shows that. But players losing the locker room.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, exactly. I was going to say players pushed out their offense. Coordinator, players. They said we're near mutiny. About the offensive coordinator. Marvin Lewis is not long for this roster. He's. They got an impossible matchup right now against Green Bay up in Lambeau this week. I. You know, Lewis could get fired if they lose to Cleveland.

[Martavius Bryant]

I was going to say in week four, Cleveland is probably the breaking point if they go oh and four and lose to the Browns. You think he survives?

[Jason Moore]

I do not. I do not. I think it's at that point.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know how he survived this long, though. It's very. Jeff Fisher, 15 years, 0 playoff wins with good team.

[Jason Moore]

That's the same amount of playoff wins I have. Yeah, that's identical. Cam Newton, Blake Bortles, Kirk Cousins, Jameis Winston. Despite the win. This is what we've seen from Winston, right? We've seen the good matchups for Winston result in mediocre fantasy production. 18 for 30 for 2 or 4 and 1 because they want to run the ball. I mean, Jacquist had 19 carries. When Winston's in these highly competitive matchups, that's when you see him kind of come out and have success. Mike, you talked about that in the preseason when he's in these matchups that you think are bad. Winston's actually produced.

[Martavius Bryant]

Now, I will say. I mean, it was. It's their first game, right, because they. Their week one schedule got all messed up. He did have at least 2 shots to djs that I can remember that just barely missed. So they're going to take those shots to desean. So I'm not concerned about Jamie or I say I'm not James jumping off completely of what James can do moving forward.

[Jason Moore]

Marcus Mariota, I think this was a result of he was 15 for 27 for 215 and a touchdown, 6 for 24 on the ground. The Jacksonville defense, you're going to have to consider them with their quarterback starts this year, they're going to be in that echelon, I think, of teams that could cause some problems. But Mariota, you know, obviously in the second half, they wore him down. What do you think about Mariota this week? Were you disappointed in that production against Jacksonville?

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah, I was a bit disappointed. But I will say this, for all quarterbacks, it was. It wasn't the greatest week yet again. Because if. I mean, if you're looking at just actual fantasy points, the guy like Deshaun Watson ended up right now in standard leagues. He's the number seven guy. Of course, there's two more quarterbacks to play, but the only thing separating number seven.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it was a down week.

[Martavius Bryant]

That's what I mean. The only thing separating desean Watson and Jameis, about five points. So it's. While it feels terrible and it feels like they crapped your team, it was just. It was a bad week. Unless you had Tom Brady. Unless you had Brady, Wentz or Simeon.

[Jason Moore]

And I'll be firm Breeze. Yeah.

[Martavius Bryant]

But after that, you're like, yeah, I'm really disappointed. Even Aaron Rodgers, who's the sixth quarterback of the week you feel disappointed.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I don't feel disappointed with Aaron Rodgers, but yes, I agree with your overall point. Marcus Mariota is a guy though, that last year we saw. He has the widest gap between when he faces top Ds and bottom Ds. You weren't sure what Jacksonville was, but we do know that Seattle this upcoming week is a top passing D. So I'm not expecting great things for Mario to this coming week as well.

[Jason Moore]

By the way, Randall Cobb is undergoing an MRI on the shoulder to find out what's going on. All right, Running back poopers. Ezekiel Elliott.

[Martavius Bryant]

That's the big one.

[Jason Moore]

Worst game of his career. Nine rushes for eight yards.

[Martavius Bryant]

Okay, well, and this is ridiculous because Denver, Wow. I mean, the passing defense is incredible. They lately you've been able to beat them on the ground.

[Andy Holloway]

Last year.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah, last year. And so I expected Zeke, he'll be fine. I wasn't, you know, thinking, well, we're going to get that number one.

[Andy Holloway]

I love Zeke this week, but.

[Martavius Bryant]

Ugh. Ugh. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, absolutely brutal. He just had a terrible game.

[Martavius Bryant]

And an update because we have to talk about Ezekiel Elliott. Every freaking week the NFL has, has put their. I don't, I don't remember the complete legal jargon here, but essentially this week the NFL is looking to overturn.

[Jason Moore]

The appeal will be decided this week. The NFL's appeal on the suspension on the. Basically the injunction will be ruled this week. Most people expect that not to go in the favor of the NFL and they're saying it's. It is happening.

[Martavius Bryant]

It could happen this week.

[Jason Moore]

Absolutely. I think there are three possible outcomes there. One that guarantees it's basically a 2018 suspension situation. It's remedied in the offseason, one that pushes it down the line to later in the season potential, and then one that, you know, if the court rules in the NFL's favor, he's suspended now. He starts next week. So, you know, what do you do there with McFadden and Alfred Morris? I mean, I think you might. This week might be the week to take a flyer on either guy on waiver wire just to see what happens on that.

[Martavius Bryant]

I would, I would still pick up McFadden.

[Andy Holloway]

I would as well.

[Martavius Bryant]

I know he was, he was inactive again.

[Andy Holloway]

We see weird things like that.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah, but I think that's because they just, they want to use the roster spot on someone else. He's not the change of pace guy, but he would be the starter, I believe.

[Jason Moore]

All right. We've already talked about Lacy Rawls, Powell Howard Murray in the, in the poop section of the running backs. Let's talk about McCoy and Crowell. Oof. What are you doing with McCoy and Crowell? CROWELL faced basically a situation where he had 10 carries, 37 yards and disappeared from the game because they're playing from behind, I. E. All of last year. So anything that we thought, you know, Mike changed that and of a commitment to the run, it didn't happen.

[Martavius Bryant]

Good news. Everyone Crawl plays the Colts next week, so you can play him with confidence.

[Jason Moore]

The shady situation, just 12 carries for nine yards.

[Martavius Bryant]

It was.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, still had six receptions.

[Martavius Bryant]

The. Yeah, he did. But the offense, the Buffalo offense just couldn't stay on the field. They could not sustain any kind of drives and usually Shady McCoy counteracts any, any bad performance with just sheer amount of volume. Takes on Denver. It is at home, but that's. You're not benching McCoy. At least I'm not benching McCoy. But that's a situation where you're looking at your roster construction for this week. Maybe you need to put a little more juice, little season, a little bit more in that flex spot for some ups.

[Jason Moore]

Is it a buy low for Crowell? People disappointed through two weeks. Would you do that with Indianapolis coming up, Cincinnati coming up?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, it's all a matter of what value you get, but if you're one of those running back needy teams, you could probably do worse than Isaiah Crowell. The one thing I want to say on the Shady game is I want to keep our eyes on the Carolina defense. It's hard to know if they are great, which they very well might be great because they played the Niners and Buffalo and so yeah, no matter what, they look great, but they just might legit be one of the best defenses again how they've been, you know, the majority of this last decade. So we got to keep an eye on them.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Got nothing. A couple honorable mentions here. Nothing production wise from the Cardinals backfield, nothing from the Bengals backfield. This week we talked about Blunt. You saw basically nothing out of the New Orleans backfield, which is unfortunate because you have three pieces there. You did have. Camara had three catches, 50 plus yards receiving. But do you guys have. It's a trouble. It's a troublesome situation because they've been down by a lot in both games now.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah, I know Breeze ended up fine with, with an okay fantasy game, but it, it took a full comeback effort.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, super bowl is not looking good.

[Martavius Bryant]

Oh, no, this.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's long gone.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

They're not making the playoffs.

[Martavius Bryant]

We've moved on. We've moved on to 2018 Super bowl predictions.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that's what mine was all along. You didn't know that, Jay?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you wanted the 40 old version of Drew Brees. Got it.

[Martavius Bryant]

Is there concern for the New Orleans offense?

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Not for me.

[Martavius Bryant]

I think the offense, they'll get it back.

[Andy Holloway]

I think the offense is going to get on track and they miss Willie Snead right now. And Willie Sneed's coming back soon, so I'm not too concerned.

[Jason Moore]

We know any offense in which the backbone is Kobe Flander has concerns or Willie Sneeze.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, Brooks, I believe we're supposed to do a check. I mean, I guess we got to wait till Monday's done, but Kobe Fleener is probably going to be still in the top five tight ends, so.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, we all choose hills to die on. And you can die on that one.

[Martavius Bryant]

Amari Cooper dead on that hill.

[Jason Moore]

Wide receiver poopers. Amari Cooper, Brandon Cooks, Terrell Pryor, Larry Fitzgerald.

[Martavius Bryant]

Brandon Cooks in the best matchup he could have possibly had. At least just, you know, they're taken on the Saints. He's on the road.

[Andy Holloway]

Magician, man.

[Jason Moore]

He.

[Andy Holloway]

He knows how to make things appear just in. Oh, I can't stand you. Brandon Cooks.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah. This is why I didn't want to draft him.

[Andy Holloway]

Terrell Pryor obviously is disappointing people. Not those that listen to me. But which.

[Martavius Bryant]

Which version of you?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, come on.

[Martavius Bryant]

I.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, I think you worry about Terrell Pryor as at this point.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Cooper. He just got Crabtreed.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

And also Michael Crabtree is the best wide receiver for that team you want.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, they're a great offense and Crabtree is, like, locked and loaded as the goal line as he should be.

[Martavius Bryant]

He's amazing.

[Jason Moore]

There you go. So honorable mentions, Hilton.

[Martavius Bryant]

Yeah. Don't play the Colts until further notice.

[Jason Moore]

Look, once again, outperform Moncrief. That's really the key point there.

[Andy Holloway]

If you lose your starting quarterback, it's really bad for wide receivers. You saw that with Hilton, Moncrief, Diggs, Thielen. I mean, go figure. Backup quarterbacks, not as good.

[Jason Moore]

I'd go buy low on Pierre Garcon this week if you could. With the down week against Seattle. It's early in the season. If people aren't sure about him, he's a target. Ted Ginn, Jr. Mike, how are you feeling about Ted Ginn?

[Martavius Bryant]

I still actually feel okay. It was because he caught three balls, but he had six targets and two of those misses were both in the end zone and narrow misses for touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

So I think you're going to see that a lot. Narrow misses with Ted Ginn.

[Martavius Bryant]

That's a fair point. But he's getting opportunity and if you're not, Jason, if you're not concerned about the offense, then that means good things in my opinion. Good things moving forward for Ted Ginn.

[Jason Moore]

I am on the side of. I don't think it's going to happen for Ginn. You've got snead out of the offense right now. It's an unproven situation in a new offense and those two things and the lack of production concern me. Jordan Matthews did nothing. Kenny Britt, I think your time is done. Britt's doing nothing there.

[Martavius Bryant]

He's been Higgins.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that tomorrow. All right. Jimmy Graham, terrible game. He got banged up as well in this game. Charles Clay did not bounce like Clay.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a bad matchup for Clay. I did not like I'm Mr. Clay. But Carolina is a bad matchup for Titans.

[Jason Moore]

Clay and Hooper both regressed significantly from week one.

[Martavius Bryant]

So Clay then against Denver, who the. The tight. They've been giving up points to the tight end. You saw old man Witten getting it done. He's still okay moving Clay forward.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, it's. You can beat Denver with the tight end, but I don't think it's like one of those defenses where it's locked and loaded that you will. He's okay. He'll probably be around my tight end 15, so maybe you would start him, but hopefully you've got a better option.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's go ahead and give some updates now for Monday night. The news right now is that Odell Beckham Jr. Is going to test the ankle in pre warm ups. If you had to do. Let's play in and out with Odell Beckham Jr today I am voting out.

[Martavius Bryant]

Ooh, I'm going in.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think I lean out.

[Jason Moore]

And here's the deal. I've had a ton of Twitter messages. They say the same thing. They say, look, If Odell Beckham Jr. Is active, I need four points to win. Do you play Beckham or do you play Shepard? I need eight points to win. Do you play Beckham or do you play Shepard?

[Andy Holloway]

I have a mailbag question and they're right under their exact same thing. Five points.

[Jason Moore]

Five. All right, let's put that to test right now before we close the show out. You're five points behind your opponent.

[Martavius Bryant]

Well, I Got to give Justin and.

[Jason Moore]

Cleveland Justin and Cleveland five points behind in a full ppr. If he's playing, do you play him fresh off the injury or does Sterling Shepard get him the five point in.

[Andy Holloway]

A full point ppr? I go Sterling Shepard, because I think you'll get five in a full point ppr. I mean, Sterling Shepard will have at least four catches.

[Jason Moore]

I do not think that is a guarantee with Odell Beckham Jr. If he's active. So, yeah, so I would say If Odell Beckham Jr. Is active and you're at the five point mark, I would probably go with Beckham. I would too, but I don't think he'll be active. So I think you're going to be deciding between Shepard and Ingram and maybe, you know, Marvin Jones. Whatever you have as your backup plan, be ready because you're not going to find out till late today. And it's an unfortunate situation. Jason, you are a no doubt Beckham Jr. Owner. Are you concerned with him beyond this week?

[Andy Holloway]

No, no. Not. Not in the slightest. Also, breaking news, breaking news. The judge has denied the NFL's emergency motion for stay in Ezekiel Elliott preliminary injunction.

[Jason Moore]

I'm really glad that came through while we were doing this show.

[Andy Holloway]

There you go. So keep your zeke, drop your McFadden.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Yeah, I mean, I guess that simplifies the waiver show. We'll talk more about it.

[Andy Holloway]

I've still had a couple of leagues where I've. I've actually still held on to McFadden because I just wanted this to happen. Now he's released.

[Jason Moore]

Will you read that one more time for me?

[Andy Holloway]

Breaking Judge mazant denies the NFL's emergency motion for a stay of the Ezekiel Elliott preliminary injunction.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, Gotcha. I just wanted to make sure that I was reading it the right way and it wasn't the opposite.

[Martavius Bryant]

So Zeke, we believe he's playing all year now.

[Andy Holloway]

This. This year. I believe he's playing all year now.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. All right. That doesn't.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm sure we'll have to talk about it again.

[Jason Moore]

Tomorrow's.

[Andy Holloway]

Every day they'll do something.

[Jason Moore]

And we're going to do a brand new podcast called the Zeke Report. It's going to be eight times a day and. No, that is it for today's episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Thank you for subscribing, for leaving us reviews on itunes, and for being a part of our community [e-mail] we appreciate it. Check out playdraft.com ballers for some DFS action in week three.

[Andy Holloway]

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