Fantasy Football 2017 - Week 3 Waivers, QB Streamers, Giant Struggles

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary: "Fantasy Football 2017 - Week 3 Waivers, QB Streamers, Giant Struggles"

Release Date: September 19, 2017

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Introduction

In the Week 3 episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright dive deep into the latest fantasy football developments. Skipping ads and intros, the trio focuses on critical waiver wire moves, quarterback streaming strategies, and an in-depth analysis of the New York Giants' ongoing offensive struggles.

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Giants’ Offensive Struggles

The episode opens with a heated discussion about the New York Giants' disappointing performance over seven consecutive games, failing to score 20 points. Hosts critique the lackluster offensive line and question the efficacy of Eli Manning under constant pressure.

• Andy Holloway (01:37): "Seven consecutive games for a quote, unquote great. And a magnificent offense with all the weapons in the world... no running backs."

• Jason Moore (02:06): "Le'Veon Bell could not succeed if he was the running back for the New York Giants... Eli Manning, who's just like, please, someone get open quick."

They spotlight the offensive line's failures, particularly Smash Jackson's underperformance, and lament the absence of reliable running backs, which hampers the Giants' offense despite having stars like Odell Beckham Jr. and Brandon Marshall.

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News and Notes

The hosts address several key injury updates and player statuses:

• Andrew Luck (05:24): Ruled out for Week 3 against the Browns, with an uncertain return timeline.

• Sam Bradford (05:38): Dealing with a bone bruise, with uncertainty regarding his Week 3 participation. Mike advises fantasy managers to seek aggressive pickups if Bradford is sidelined.

• Other updates include Randall Cobb's negative MRI for his shoulder, Jordy Nelson's questionable status for Week 3, and Jimmy Graham's ankle injury potentially affecting his production.

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Waiver Wire Analysis

Wide Receivers

The trio highlights potential waiver wire gems, emphasizing J.J. Nelson and Rashard Higgins as must-pick options due to their increased targets and favorable matchups.

• Jason Moore (11:34): "J.J. Nelson. He will be a good starting option, whether it's in a flex or even in the wide receiver position."

• Mike Wright (13:30): "Rashard Higgins is actually a high priority pickup. If you're wide receiver. Needy."

They caution against overvaluing Tyler Lockett despite his talent, suggesting focusing on receivers with immediate upside and consistent targets.

Running Backs

Discussion centers on acquiring Buck Allen, Chris Carson, and Samaj P. Ryan. The hosts emphasize the scarcity of reliable running backs and the importance of securing potential starters.

• Andy Holloway (19:06): "Buck Allen, Chris Carson, Samaj P. Ryan, they are at the top of my list this week."

• Jason Moore (19:23): "I'd like Buck Allen first, Chris Carson second, Samaj P. Ryan third."

They also debate the potential impact of Derek Henry over Samaj P. Ryan, with Mike advocating for Henry's higher ceiling despite longer-term uncertainties.

Tight Ends

Jason highlights Hunter Henry as a top-tier tight end worth significant FAB investment, despite Andy's reservations.

• Jason Moore (30:15): "There's only one guy that is a standout guy to me and that's Hunter Henry."

• Mike Wright (31:11): "Hunter Henry has to be picked up."

They explore other tight end options like Jason Witten and Evan Ingram, recommending strategic pickups based on matchups and consistency.

Quarterbacks

The hosts provide strategies for streaming quarterbacks, recommending low-cost options with favorable matchups to maximize efficiency without draining FAB resources.

• Jason Moore (37:23): "Jay Cutler is a fantastic stream this week. He's available in pretty much every single league format."

• Mike Wright (39:05): "Deshaun Kaiser is going to be a pretty high floor play and he's available in 100% of league."

They suggest targeting quarterbacks like Jay Cutler and Trevor Siemian who face weak defenses, offering solid fantasy production at minimal cost.

Defenses

Top defensive pickups include the Ravens and Rams due to their strong performances and upcoming favorable matchups.

• Andy Holloway (34:28): "The Ravens are currently the number one defense in football. And they play Jacksonville, which is delicious."

• Mike Wright (34:17): "That's a good play."

They advise selecting defenses that can exploit poor offensive opponents, enhancing weekly fantasy points without heavy FAB investment.

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Mailbag Highlights

Pass Interference Yards (41:30): A listener inquires about the fantasy impact of a defensive pass interference call. The hosts discuss that currently, no yards are credited to receivers, but Andy suggests a potential bonus system for draw-ins.

• Andy Holloway (42:23): "If you are a wide receiver and you draw a pass interference call, you should get like a one point or something."

DeMarco Murray’s Performance (43:35): Billy from Washington asks about DeMarco Murray's inconsistent performance and potential injury impacts. The hosts concur that Murray remains a valuable asset as long as he stays healthy, comparing his situation to Adrian Peterson's in Minnesota.

• Andy Holloway (45:36): "Maybe he's 20 to 24 in the rankings if he plays because they're going to take some pressure off him."

• Jason Moore (46:22): "It was pretty much based on what I said a minute ago, where at wide receiver. I don't really like picking up a guy who's developmental."

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Final Recommendations

The Fantasy Footballers emphasize prioritizing dependable, mid-tier pickups over speculative investments. Key takeaways include:

• Wide Receivers: Secure J.J. Nelson and Rashard Higgins for their high target potential.

• Running Backs: Prioritize Buck Allen and Chris Carson, with Derek Henry as a high-ceiling option.

• Tight Ends: Hunter Henry remains a top asset, with Jason Witten also being a reliable pick.

• Quarterbacks: Stream with low-cost options like Jay Cutler and Trevor Siemian based on weekly matchups.

• Defenses: Target top-performing defenses like the Ravens and Rams to maximize weekly points.

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Conclusion

The Fantasy Footballers’ Week 3 episode offers strategic insights into navigating the waiver wire and quarterback streaming, while addressing the New York Giants' offensive woes. By focusing on actionable advice and player-specific recommendations, the hosts equip fantasy managers with the tools needed to optimize their rosters and gain a competitive edge in their leagues.

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Notable Quotes:

• "Should really be weekly holiday for all businesses." – Jason Moore (00:54)
• "Hunter Henry has to be picked up." – Jason Moore (31:11)
• "I would be very, very aggressive trying to pick him up." – Mike Wright (23:30)
• "People think you're joking. You're not joking." – Mike Wright (48:32)

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, coming to you from the Play Draft studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's Tuesday, waiver day. It's Tuesday, September 19th.

[Jason Moore]

Should really be weekly holiday for all businesses.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you get the day off.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's waiver day.

[Mike Wright]

At least the morning.

[Andy Holloway]

Just to handle the bids.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. If you. If you're in a lot of leagues, it takes some time. Set all these waivers.

[Andy Holloway]

Take some time to do it right now. See, some people want to wave goodbye to last week. Sorry, but we'll. We'll be getting into the waivers on today's show, the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Mike can't contain the music.

[Mike Wright]

Never. It's in my heart.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Hey, look, last night, there was some football and kind of seven straight.

[Jason Moore]

One team had some football.

[Andy Holloway]

Seven straight games for the Giants now without 20 points. Seven consecutive games for a quote, unquote great. And a magnificent offense with all the weapons in the world. Odell Beckham Jr. And Marshall and Angrum. And no running backs.

[Mike Wright]

Well, no offensive line. I mean, Smash Jackson, I'm not going to completely give him a pass on this one, but he's. He has. For what his ability is, he has no chance.

[Jason Moore]

Le'Veon Bell could not succeed if he was the running back for the New York Giants. I mean, when they snap the ball. I feel so bad for Eli Manning, who's just like, please, someone get open quick because there's, like, three guys smashing my face every single way.

[Mike Wright]

When he took the hit, I know he got the ball off, but the hit where the defender just landed on his face.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, for. For all the things you can say about Eli Manning, the man is indestructible. I mean, he's like Super Dave Osborne.

[Jason Moore]

Just you.

[Mike Wright]

You beat him up, but he keeps on playing. Keeps on playing.

[Andy Holloway]

Matthew Stafford, looking great once again. Yeah, he is much more of a quarterback than he's ever been.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, I thought you were talking about, like, for fantasy purposes.

[Andy Holloway]

Who's fine for fantasy purposes, it's fine to two touchdowns. Two touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. The yardage wasn't there.

[Andy Holloway]

No, the yardage wasn't there at all. But you didn't need it. And as a quarterback, they're two. And, oh, they took out the Cardinals and the Giants and Marvin Jones, once again, this is one of the reasons we said, look, Marvin Jones is probably still the guy to own if you need reliable fantasy production versus Kenny Golladay. Despite the smooth rounds.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, they're so smooth.

[Andy Holloway]

But they were one catch.

[Mike Wright]

Heard some, heard some miscues, some. Some bad notes, and he couldn't smooth them into the jazz.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man. I watched the movie Whiplash last night. Have you seen that yet?

[Mike Wright]

It's not my tempo.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's not my tempo. Goodness gracious. Yeah, you bring up the music and that's. That is a very anxiety inducing movie.

[Mike Wright]

I have some very hot takes on that movie. But that's for another show.

[Andy Holloway]

Really.

[Jason Moore]

Different podcast.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. I think the tight ends were a highlight from last night.

[Jason Moore]

Absolutely. If you were initialed ee you had a great game. Both of these guys, I mean, this is a waiver day. Both these guys are worthy of picking up off the waivers. The way that they were used and the talent that each of them have. Man, I feel so good about my Eric Ebron and Kobe Fleener. I've gotten so much grief from last year. The love I gave them.

[Andy Holloway]

Be very careful what's out of your mouth right now.

[Jason Moore]

It's gonna be a brief moment in the sun. It's like I'm. Where's that? When you're in Alaska and you get. You get a little bit of the sun. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Just like for an hour a day.

[Jason Moore]

That was fun.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Enjoy week two on those two. But look, you're right so far.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, so far.

[Andy Holloway]

Follow us on twitter@the ff ballers. Look, we invite you to come check out jointhefoot.com our fantasy football community. There are over 4,000 fantasy football players who love to play fantasy football. They're in leagues together. They answer waiver questions, trade questions.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they're very good people.

[Jason Moore]

If they listen to this show, that makes them good peoples.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that how it works?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, for sure.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

You show your subscribers?

[Andy Holloway]

Your honor.

[Jason Moore]

Your honor, I'm a member of the Foot. It's basically like Fight Club, though, because there's a good chance that the judge.

[Mike Wright]

I was gonna. The judge is Gonna wink and be like, I don't know what you're talking about. Case dismissed.

[Andy Holloway]

Case dismissed. All right, let's go ahead and get into the news.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league.

[Andy Holloway]

Andrew Luck has been ruled out of Week 3 against the Browns.

[Mike Wright]

What are you doing with Andrew Luck, Andy? You're the, you're the, you're the resident Andrew Luck guy on the show this year.

[Andy Holloway]

You ever heard the term pot committed? I have.

[Mike Wright]

Is that where we are?

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

I think that is where you are. I mean, pot committed is actually a really good analogy. You invested in him. You've waited this long. I think you have. I mean, you're pot committed to waiting for him to come back.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I don't think much has changed. I mean, because he's still out.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Just saying. I mean, to already be ruled out for week three, which he forgot to. For fantasy players, that's nice. But, yeah, when is Andrew Luck coming back? Is there any.

[Andy Holloway]

Carson Wentz is in the corner winking at you, just saying, hey, they said, I'll give you your Andrew Luck right here.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they said a couple weeks ago he was probably not going to play until October. So I think, you know, they're just, they're going to stick to that and that's why they're able to rule him out early. Right now they're saying October is. October is the new September. That's what they're saying.

[Andy Holloway]

There you go. Sam Bradford's believed to have a bone bruise. Vikings will reevaluate after seeing how he responds to an injection. So Dr. Feelgood's coming in there. Do you think he'll play this week?

[Mike Wright]

Man, I've seen things all over the place. And I'm talking like, not just, not just people pretending to be doctors, actual doctors on Twitter weighing in on this, saying, I mean, this, this could be potentially really bad. Like a multiple week type of situation. So if you are, if you were depending on Sam Bradford, you need to position yourself in an aggressive manner to be without him. Like, if you're in a two quarterback league, hopefully you grab that third quarterback and he can fill in for you. It's. In the meantime, it's going to be a downgrade for Diggs, it's going to be a downgrade for Thielen, for Rudolph, if Case Kingdom continues. I mean, it just from what I have read from, like, from actual trusted doctors on Twitter. I mean, if we get into a situation a month from now and. And they're saying, hey, we think that Teddy Bridgewater is going to Be our starting quarterback. That won't shock me if that happens.

[Andy Holloway]

It's crazy.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

But I'm glad you brought up the two quarterback situation because there are a lot of people in those league formats that are trying to make decisions on the waiver wire this week.

[Mike Wright]

You need to help your situation.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Randall Cobb's MRI came back negative on his shoulder. Jordy Nelson is 5050 for week three. So you got to monitor both of those players. If both missed the game. Is there an advantageous pickup this week? Is it Martellus Bennett? Is it Geronimo Allison? I mean, probably not. I mean, 11 targets last week for Bennett when these two missed some time.

[Mike Wright]

Bennett gets the up, gets the target upgrade. I mean, he was forcing the ball to. And even Richard Rogers. Yeah, they were out of options on Sunday night.

[Andy Holloway]

Terrence west dealing with a soft tissue injury day to day, basically. Terrence West. This could have been why the snap count was so incredibly disproportionate.

[Mike Wright]

I would, I would say it is why.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, right.

[Jason Moore]

Which is good news for west in the sense that he's not losing the role and, you know, Buck Allen isn't just taking over.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Jimmy Graham's now questionable for week three, ankle injury.

[Jason Moore]

It was weird because on that play it seemed like he hurt his knee and then afterwards it was an ankle. The earliest reports on it have not looked good. Already talking about him missing week three.

[Andy Holloway]

Here, here's the problem with Jimmy Graham. You had two terrible weeks. Now you have a potential questionable situation he hasn't produced. The offense has been bad, the offensive line has been bad, he's banged up. And you have a number of names. Ebron Ingram. Yeah, Whitten.

[Mike Wright]

The nice thing is that if. Let's say you lost Olson, you're.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you drop. That's my question is, do you drop Jimmy Graham to go get one of these other players and you depend on him?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I was talking to Mike about this yesterday in the office. Just as a man, do you drop Jimmy Graham? And I. And I realized if someone else dropped Jimmy Graham, I would pick him up. So that means I wouldn't drop him. But it's a completely team dependent thing because if you're in a situation where you know you have another injury or you need to pick a guy up, there's someone valuable on waivers, you don't have a great player to cut, then yes, absolutely, you can cut Jimmy Graham. But I would in this situation probably be rostering two tight ends.

[Andy Holloway]

I want to give you some of the day to day injury News demarco Murray. Terrence West. Rob Gronkowski. Jordan Reed. Rob Kelly, Randall Cobb, Corey Davis. Circling back to Rob Kelly. I have not seen a bit of an update. The last time Gruden talked about it, they said that they believed he had a fractured rib. Do we have any update as to his time?

[Mike Wright]

I've heard that the rib is not fractured. This is a cartilage issue. So it's. It's feasible that he suits up and plays for week three. But like Jordy Nelson, I mean, I would put this at about 50. 50. You need to be prepared for him to. Not for you.

[Andy Holloway]

I saw Gruden come out and talk about Chris Thompson and how they have to be careful with Chris Thompson. They don't want to give him very many reps. They'd like to increase his role a little bit. It seemed like that was in the context of not having Rob Kelly.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Because they were asking basically, look, if you don't have them, what are you going to do with Chris Thompson? Thompson.

[Mike Wright]

So that's why P. Ryan's on the waivers or in the waiver show.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And we're moving on. We're talking waivers right now.

[Jason Moore]

Let me in, coach.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's start at the wide receiver position. John Brown likely to miss this week. Basically. I think Bruce Arian said, quoted, have to be a miracle for him to play J.J. nelson.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Barely owned in either ESPN or Yahoo leagues. Five for 120 and a touchdown on seven targets. Has Dallas, San Francisco, Philly the next three games. Not very intimidating. Certainly the next two.

[Mike Wright]

Another great, great pickup.

[Jason Moore]

Great pickup. Great play. I mean, you know, when you. Sometimes you're picking these guys up because there's reason to believe they can develop into something. But at the wide receiver position, I don't. I don't want to hold developmental players. I want to pick a guy up and put him in my lineup if I'm grabbing a wide receiver. That's what you have here in J.J. nelson. He will be a good starting option, whether it's in a flex or even in the wide receiver position. I mean, you're talking a guy with the upside to finish as a wide receiver one in a given week and the likelihood is that he'll be above that wide receiver three range. So J.J. nelson is, I think, a really good pickup.

[Andy Holloway]

By the way, we will have our streaming quarterback picks on today's show after the waivers section, so pay attention for that. Here's a name that you might not even know. He is basically unknown everywhere and yet went 7 for 95 on 11 targets last week. And that is Rashard Higgins. Cleveland Brown, wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

Just called up from the practice squad last week, ends up leading the team in targets. Corey Coleman has a broken hand.

[Mike Wright]

I've heard it's hard to catch a ball with a broken hand.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, I didn't know if you had to speak on that because of the thumb versus hand, did they?

[Mike Wright]

I stand by my argument.

[Andy Holloway]

Every. Every report has said he broke his hand again like last year. Yeah, well, Andy, also your hand includes your thumb.

[Jason Moore]

No, the reason that those reports are actually saying that is because that's what happened. He broke his hand. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He didn't break his thumb.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. He broke it. I thought he broke his thumb last year.

[Jason Moore]

You could break a thumb and break a hand.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. They're just, they're. They would be considered two different injuries for me. That was all.

[Andy Holloway]

My point is, I'm the same injury, but they're too different.

[Mike Wright]

No, I've broken my thumb and I. But I didn't go around. Hey, guys, I broke my hand. No, I broke my thumb.

[Andy Holloway]

The base of the thumb, though, is like, right. All right, we'll move on. Cooper Cup, Kenny Golladay, Alan Hearn.

[Mike Wright]

And by the way, if you had the ultimate draft kits. So you're. You're well aware of Matt Harmon from NFL.com his reception perception he had written up. He loves Rashard Higgins. He loves the player, great wide receiver. So he's actually getting an opportunity now. And that's. That's the basis of reception perception, is looking at these receivers, see who's actually talented. And when they get an opportunity, they can succeed. And he succeeded in a big way. So he. I think he is a very high priority pickup. If you're wide receiver. Needy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's a great point. And you want a player with some upside. And you know, there are certain players. Alan Hearns, 6 for 82 and a touchdown this past week. But now you have reports of another quarterback being called up in Jacksonville. The potential down the line if things go south for Bortles, you could have. Bortles is a healthy scratch. And those other two quarterbacks active. I feel like if you had to choose between Higgins and taking a flyer on a guy versus Hearns, who do you take?

[Jason Moore]

I would probably take right now. I would take Higgins or JJ Nelson ahead of Hearn.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what I would do as well.

[Jason Moore]

It was pretty much based on what I said a minute ago, where at wide receiver. I don't really like picking up a guy who's developmental. Alan Hearns this week goes up against Baltimore. We've been talking all this season about what an incredible defense they have. I don't think Jacksonville is going to really, you know, Alan Hearns is going to break through their cornerbacks. So my point is I wouldn't start him.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me ask you this.

[Mike Wright]

If I'm not against the jets in two weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, that's true. And that's when I will pick him up because I think he'll still be there.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me ask you this. So for a guy like J.J. nelson, let's say the top wide receiver on this list, what is the fab percentage you'd spend on J.J. nelson or Higgins? I would be trying to get a bargain on those guys. Five.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, so would I.

[Andy Holloway]

Five percent.

[Mike Wright]

I'm okay missing. I've said Higgins is a priority, but I'm also okay missing out on them. I'm not going to overpay. So Tyler. 10%.

[Andy Holloway]

Tyler Lockett caught six passes for 64 yards on nine targets. My advice on Tyler Lockett is ignore him 100% and I completely disagree. You have to ignore him. We can debate this right now. Paul Richardson scored the touchdown. Doug Baldwin had a bunch of receptions. Yes, Baldwin, you are playing rando roulette with this offense. With Tyler Lockett, he 6 for 64 isn't even a great fantasy day. And so this is ideal situation for Lockett over the last two years. Why pick him up after one game? Why be so reactionary?

[Jason Moore]

Well, because. Because of a lot of reasons. Two of them are named Jimmy Graham, who is currently injured, and another one is Paul Richardson.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, two reasons are Jimmy Graham.

[Jason Moore]

One is Jimmy Graham and one is Paul Richardson. Those, those two reasons. Richardson, you know, he, what, he got a broken ring finger, so he's hurt. And then you have Jimmy Graham, who might miss this week, and you have Tyler Lockett, who has always been a talented player. He has finished, for fantasy purposes, as you know, a top five wide receiver a few times on a weekly basis.

[Andy Holloway]

What are you talking about?

[Jason Moore]

Per.

[Mike Wright]

On a week?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's. He's had Tyler Lock.

[Andy Holloway]

He's had a week where he's finished top five two years ago and that's the reason to pick him up now.

[Jason Moore]

Last year.

[Andy Holloway]

This is very anecdotal. Bring me some actual numbers.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, here's some numbers. Target share. The exact same as Doug Baldwin this week had more yardage than Doug Baldwin this week. I know Richardson got the touchdown, but Richardson's only he's a sub 50% snap player now because Tyler Lockett is the two. Coach Carroll said he is the two. He's going to get improved snaps this week.

[Jason Moore]

He did.

[Mike Wright]

And the target share is there 23% of targets.

[Andy Holloway]

So what are you spending on Tyler Lockett and is he at the top of this list?

[Mike Wright]

No, he's. He's lumped in with them.

[Jason Moore]

But I would rather have. I would rather.

[Andy Holloway]

Tyler Lockett.

[Jason Moore]

Tyler Lockett.

[Andy Holloway]

Jermaine Curse is two touchdowns this week, four for 64 on five targets scored last week.

[Mike Wright]

It's probably Curse, but not by a lot.

[Jason Moore]

At least Curse is the number one option and that's the only reason I said before the show this is a really good week for wide receivers on the waivers. It's not that strong a week for running backs at all. So, yeah, last, just since you said bring me numbers last season, towards the end of the year, once Tyler Lockett got back on the field in weeks 13 and 15, both weeks, he was the number two wide receiver in fantasy football. So he can get it done.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, running backs, let's talk about Buck Allen still out there on the waiver wire. Probably most overlooked due to Tarik Cohen's explosion in week one and people who invested less fab money or their waiver priority on Buck Allen were rewarded to the tune of 14 carries for 66 yards, five for 35 and a touchdown through the air on six targets. So Javorius Allen has Jacksonville, Pittsburgh, Oakland coming up. Pick him up. You need, you need to pick anybody that can be a starting running back. I post, I tweeted this past week, look, finding running backs is hard because you've got the injury concerns, you've got all of those issues. So Buck Allen, Chris Carson, Samaj P. Ryan, they are at the top of my list this week. What do you guys think about the running back situation?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, those are the three that stick out to me and I would order them in that order. I'd like Buck Allen first, Chris Carson second, Samaj P. Ryan third. Now, if news comes out that Rob Kelly is going to miss a few weeks, Samaj would be much more important to me in that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you're taking the longer term value in Buck and in Carson.

[Mike Wright]

So for Buck Allen, are you talking you would go 20 plus percent of your fab or would you jump into the 30s?

[Jason Moore]

I think I'd be in the 20s. I'd probably drop 25 on Buck Allen to make sure that, you know, you. He's still a guy that I don't know if he's going to be an entire season long value because Woodhead is still supposed to come back after eight weeks, get off the ir.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a long enough run though.

[Jason Moore]

I completely agree. That's, I completely agree. I mean that's why I'm dropping 25, 26. You know, whatever it's going to take to get him for the next two months, he'll be valuable over that time.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Alvin Camara is still out there, but what's the real value in that three headed mess in New Orleans?

[Jason Moore]

Well, he's, I still think he is a value because of his pass catching. You know, whenever you're on an offense that usually scores, you know, up at the top of the league and to be honest, you know, we haven't seen that so far from the Saints. They've, they've kind of by the end of the game been all right. Drew Brees has garbage timed his first two weeks to fantasy relevance, but it hasn't been the high powered Saints offense that you're used to. Some of that can be said, you know, matchup usually the Patriots are very hard team to play and week one was the Minnesota defense. So I think what you've seen is kind of a good utilization from a talented player into very difficult matchups. If you kind of mix those things together and sprinkle in a little dose of optimism, you can go, hey, maybe Camara can be something good.

[Andy Holloway]

The Carolina, Miami and then a buy.

[Mike Wright]

It's not Carolina. That's Carolina sounding pretty tough.

[Andy Holloway]

He's probably not going to do much on the buy though.

[Mike Wright]

That's a very fair point.

[Jason Moore]

Or Carolina. So it's not looking great.

[Mike Wright]

So clearly far more owned than the guys we've already really been talking about. But Derek Henry, where does he rank in your priority list? I mean, Yahoo, he's probably owned. He's 77%. ESPN is only 67% if he's there. Is he the top of your list.

[Andy Holloway]

Or he's not the top of my list.

[Jason Moore]

He is absolutely the top of my.

[Andy Holloway]

List over Buck Allen.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would spend like 50 on. On wow. On Henry.

[Andy Holloway]

That is once again a point of disagreement here in the show.

[Mike Wright]

Just because of what Henry can become. I mean Henry. Henry's a league. If you were able to get him off of waivers and Murray is going to miss time and Henry takes over. Just saying things that could happen.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't you have that situation with P. Ryan where you have just the same amount of opportunity to take over?

[Mike Wright]

I don't think P Ryan's taking Rob Kelly's job.

[Andy Holloway]

No, but I don't think that DeMarco Murray is losing his job.

[Jason Moore]

And that's just a matter of the hamstring. Right. Because Hamstring. Right. No. Well, the difference is I think Derek Henry is. I mean, I said this before the season. I think he is like a top five talent in actual running back. I think he's much more talented than Samaj P. Ryan as a player. And should he get that job, he would be, you know, like. Like Mike saying, a league winner. But is DeMarco fine? Is he going to be back, you know, next week and. And not have any hamstring issue? Whenever I see a re. Injury of a hamstring from training camp, those. I have a hard time believing that it's just not going to pop up again.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

And. And all of a sudden it's going to disappear, because I feel like those never disappear, at least in the middle of a single season.

[Andy Holloway]

Seattle and Houston, the next two weeks. So let's say DeMarco Murray misses those games. How valuable is Derek Henry going to be before DeMarco even comes back?

[Mike Wright]

I would. If DeMarco Murray's out and Henry is the starter versus Seattle versus Houston, he will still more than likely be in my top 12.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike, how much would you spend on Henry?

[Mike Wright]

I mean, I'm more aligned with Jason that if he happens to be on the waivers, I would be very, very aggressive trying to pick him up. And I would rather have him over Buck just because, I mean, you got to play to win. And Henry changes things if the circumstances change in Tennessee.

[Jason Moore]

All right. A lot of handcuffs that are out there as well. Before we talk about that, I want to thank today's sponsor, Sonos. And actually, I have been excited for this read coming up for a while because I replaced my sound system, which was a television. That was my sound system. Just the TV speakers. And I felt like we were deaf. And we always had to crank it up so loud. And then we got the Playbase from Sonos, and immediately we got the two portable wireless speakers and the Playbase. And it was so easy to set up, and the sound was incredible, and I was so happy. But then something happened. Then my kids went and stayed at the grandparents, and I was able to crank it up, and I had no idea how loud it could. I mean, I felt like I was in a movie theater. I felt like my neighbors were going to call the cops. It was great. So right now, if you want to check out what Sonos is Offering Sonos is offering listeners of the fantasy footballers 10% off any one order under $2,500 or [e-mail] it's only available for a limited time, can't be combined with other discounts or promotions. So just use the promo code Footballers10Footballers. Tenonos.com to receive this exclusive offer.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

All right, I'm going to stay at the running backs because I want to talk about Chris Thompson. I also want to talk about Deonta Foreman. I think those are two very applicable names. They need to get picked up. We need to see what happens in Houston.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

With Lamar Miller. So Deontiforman needs to get picked up. He's only owned at 5% of ESPN leagues right now. You also need to be picking up Chris Thompson in the event that Rob Kelly misses some time. Now, Jay Gruden said he has to be careful with Thompson so he's not the biggest guy in the world. They don't want him to get 20, 25 carries, but they're going to try to expand his role a little bit because of the big plays that you've seen from Chris Thompson.

[Mike Wright]

The free name I want to just throw out is Alex Collins. He was, he was brought up for the Ravens. Jeremy Langford was released. Alex Collins replaced him. And if Terrence west is going to miss time, I mean, last week Alex Collins got some play.

[Andy Holloway]

I think eight carries was it.

[Mike Wright]

I believe seven. But he's likely going to be completely under the radar in your league. And I'm talking like a 0 or $2 bid. Grab Collins, maybe West is more injured than than they've let on and Alex Collins becomes a two down back for this team like West. So he's absolutely worth a free stash if you got this.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you investing in P. Ryan or Thompson?

[Jason Moore]

P. Ryan, P. Ryan.

[Andy Holloway]

One other name I need to bring up. Chris Johnson, Arizona Cardinals starting running back potentially. Now, Kerwin Williams was terrible. Chris Johnson was by far the best runner on that team last week, which isn't saying a lot. But look, if it's his job and this offense can get rolling a little bit. Look, you're talking goal line chances, you're talking starting running back. There's nothing that I can say about Chris Johnson that I wouldn't say about Terrence west if he were healthy. Agreed.

[Mike Wright]

Agreed.

[Jason Moore]

Agreed. I mean, I think you'd rather have that opportunity than like, okay, Paul Perkins.

[Mike Wright]

Well, yeah, no thanks.

[Jason Moore]

Like I don't want, you know, it's like some of these guys, it's like, do you, do you. Do you actually keep them on your.

[Mike Wright]

Are you guys on board with me? I would drop Paul Perkins.

[Jason Moore]

I'm package trading him.

[Andy Holloway]

Someone tried to trade him to me this morning for a third round pick and I said I wouldn't even trade an eight form.

[Mike Wright]

There's no way you're able to trade Paul Perkins.

[Jason Moore]

I feel like I can't cut Paul Perkins.

[Andy Holloway]

What about Smash Jackson? Can you trade Smash Jackson?

[Jason Moore]

But I don't want Paul Perkins on my team at all.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's the waste of time. Shane Vereen is an actual ownable asset who catches the ball. He had six carries yesterday.

[Mike Wright]

Here's the problem. With Paul Perkins on your bench, you're going to run into bye weeks and go, he's starting running back for the Giants. I can plug him in.

[Andy Holloway]

No, you can't and no, he's not. That's not what he really is. Paul Perkins is living 100% on rosters right now because of the offseason hype. Hope and dreams. That's the only reason he's on a roster. If he were just out there accumulating statistics and in week two you said while this guy's getting some snaps you would not sign him otherwise. Orleans Dark.

[Jason Moore]

I was going to say Orleans Darkwa looked better to me than Paul Perkins last night.

[Mike Wright]

I'm dropping him.

[Andy Holloway]

It's very nice that we now agree on one thing. Drop I can promise. I'm not trying to disagree with you guys on today's show.

[Jason Moore]

I just want Paul Perkins.

[Andy Holloway]

Tight ends lots.

[Mike Wright]

There are a lot of them.

[Andy Holloway]

Ben Watson had a surprise week eight for 91 Austin Safari. And Jenkins comes off of the suspended list in need of pass catchers in the New York jets wide receiving core.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Like we said, Jermaine Curse is a pickup.

[Andy Holloway]

Kobe Fleener did catch a touchdown, 3 for 33.

[Jason Moore]

And then Brooks, just to update you on the Kobe Fleener watch, currently tight end number four, he's in that top.

[Mike Wright]

Five pace for 16 touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, Evan Ingram right now a top 10 tight end. Four for 49 and a touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

And the number one tight end in all of fantasy football is still available on at least 20 to 35% of leagues, which is Jason Whitten.

[Andy Holloway]

That's.

[Mike Wright]

That is 20 nanas.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you say 10 to 35% of leagues?

[Jason Moore]

No, I don't think 25 to 30.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, 25 to 30. I thought you were giving me one of those Sam Bradford is fine gaps. He's going to miss 1 to 60.

[Jason Moore]

Games in 5 to 82% of leagues.

[Andy Holloway]

So Jason Whitten is actually a target for me.

[Jason Moore]

I don't, I don't blame you. I mean, he is an integral piece to the offense. Dak looks his way and he's as old reliable as it gets.

[Mike Wright]

The nice thing, let's say you're Greg Olson. I had kind of mentioned this. There's a lot of guys, but the.

[Andy Holloway]

You're Greg Olson himself.

[Mike Wright]

No, no. If you, if you have lost Greg Olson from your fantasy team, there are so many guys here and I don't know, do you guys have one here who you're like, wow, he, he is the absolute standout guy of this list, of this tight end list.

[Jason Moore]

There's only one guy that is a standout guy to me and that's Hunter Henry.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Outside of Hunter Henry. And I know you hate Hunter Henry. No, he has to be picked up.

[Mike Wright]

I'm. I'm bandaging the wounds and admitting that Hunter Henry has to be picked up. But I don't like him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So he has personally offended me.

[Jason Moore]

Outside of him, though, I mean, there's so many guys I like. We've named, you know, most of them, but they're all worthy, they're all good. So I would put free bids in all of them.

[Mike Wright]

That's where I was going.

[Jason Moore]

And just order them the way, you know that. I prefer this week's matchup who I would want to start. And if they're. If you're out there and you go, man, I really have a good feeling about one of these guys, then pay a dollar or two, you know, bump it up. But you don't need to. You don't need to spend for most of these wins.

[Andy Holloway]

100%. Right?

[Mike Wright]

Okay, did we list them all because there was so Fleen or.

[Andy Holloway]

Zach Miller had six catches. Jack Doyle had eight catches this week on eight targets. You had 13 targets for Whitten, which we've just brought up. And then you have Ebron 5 for 42 and a touchdown last night. This is kind of the problem is if you chase points at tight end, you get burnt a lot of the time. This is true. That's why we like locking in on certain players. That's why I like Whitten as my number one target, because I feel like you've got the track record, you've got the reliability. You have DEZ Bryant going up against a number of very talented cornerbacks this year. And when it's not working for DEZ because even though does produce for fantasy owners, he did not produce for the Cowboys. Seven catches on 15 targets. It wasn't efficient to pass it his way. It was very efficient to pass it Jason Witten's way. 10 catches on 13 targets. And if this defense cannot hold up, you may have what looks like a lot of these game scripts that you saw this past week. Mind you, that was Denver. So.

[Jason Moore]

And you might be afraid of the Arizona Cardinals matchup because you know, they. Last year they were very good against tight end. Week one, they were as well. But we just mentioned Jack. Jack Doyle had eight targets, eight receptions that you know that I think that that shows that the Arizona Cardinals defense can be beat by the tight end position this year.

[Andy Holloway]

Wasn't Doyle. Wasn't that the stat from this past week though? Didn't Jack Doyle. What did he do in the first week against Arizona? Because they didn't. Oh, that was this week. I was already moving ahead.

[Mike Wright]

You already lost in the warp.

[Andy Holloway]

I was trying not to remember that win for the Arizona Cardinals. Sorry about that.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, no worries. I just assumed I was wrong. I'm like, oh, what?

[Mike Wright]

I do know who was wrong.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Carson Wentz is a potential target at the quarterback position. After two great weeks, we are going to talk about our quarterback streamers. So we'll get into some other names there and then defenses. We want you to be aware of the impact of the defense.

[Mike Wright]

Some juicy ones.

[Andy Holloway]

The Ravens are currently the number one defense in football. And they play Jacksonville, which is delicious. So in ESPN leagues, they're only owned in 50%, based on our data. So I pick them up. The Rams. The Rams. Son of bum himself. Takes on the 49ers.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's a good play.

[Jason Moore]

That's always good.

[Andy Holloway]

Dolphins take on the Jets.

[Jason Moore]

They're an auto start. I mean, and they're available everywhere.

[Andy Holloway]

Patriots have Houston. That should be a monster play.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, not. Not so widely owned, though.

[Andy Holloway]

That's why the Patriots are still owned. People are waiting for this week. Bucks. They take on the Vikings after a very, very good week against Chicago. This is the watch whether Sam Bradford's in there or not.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, absolutely. But the Bucks are a strong defense. I mean, they finished last year very strong. Come out the gates smoking hot against Mike Glennon. So if it's Case Keenum, I expect multiple turnovers for the Bucks.

[Andy Holloway]

I played the Bucks this past week and I.

[Mike Wright]

That felt good.

[Andy Holloway]

Chicago was marching down the field on the first drive, and I was like, oh, no, what did I do? And then I refreshed my phone, and it was a pick six from Mike Glenn, and I was happy again. So almost pulled off the shutout. All right, guys, do you want to.

[Jason Moore]

Get to talk a little streaming quarterbacks?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, let's do that.

[Mike Wright]

This is Andy stalling and trying to find a drop.

[Andy Holloway]

I feel like it's disappeared.

[Jason Moore]

Hold full stream ahead now.

[Mike Wright]

Jason's voice can only get so high.

[Andy Holloway]

You may need to stream a new host after that performance. Couldn't find it.

[Mike Wright]

Brooks, are you available? Nah.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we're sticking with the starter.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you end up checking the score, Brooks, for our dynasty matchup? Me versus you. Did you end up checking it?

[Jason Moore]

I still haven't checked.

[Andy Holloway]

You still haven't checked. If you need an update, just eyes wide shut. Just let me know. All right, what are we looking for in a quarterback stream?

[Mike Wright]

So, quarterback stream. Look, this is why we've talked about. You don't have to spend up at the quarterback position. Yeah. I mean, you get Tom Brady's three.

[Andy Holloway]

Tom.

[Mike Wright]

Tom Brady. Tom Brady again. His touchdowns a week, too. But I mean, he also had a terrible week one. You have Aaron Rodgers, who's been good, but, I mean, you had to draft him in the third round. Meanwhile, Alex Smith, the number one quarterback, was likely not drafted. But we're just so. So we're saying the gap between those quarterbacks is smaller than you would imagine. So we're trying to get guys in positive matchups that are likely to get you 200 to 250 passing yards and a shot at multiple touchdowns. I got him, fellas. I jumped in the dock and I grabbed smoking J. Cuddy because he, Congratulations. He gets to take on the Jets. He is available in pretty much every single league format, so I think that he is a great play. The jets are terrible. They have bad defense. They turn the ball over on offense. And Jay Cutler has some fantastic weapons in Jarvis Landry and Devonte Parker. I think Jay Cutler is a fantastic stream this week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah, he's definitely good. I was surprised how available he was. He's pretty much almost entirely 100% not owned. My guy is available in 90% of leagues. And so far, so far on the year, he's outdone Tom Brady, including that great week. And he's. He's ahead of Matthew Stafford and Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers.

[Mike Wright]

He's on the road now.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah, he is on the road. I'm not saying he's going to be a world beater, but Trevor Simeon has looked very good. You just brought up that Jay Cutler has good weapons. Give me Emmanuel Sanders. Give me Demaryus Thomas. You know, those. Those two weapons are enough to get it done. Buffalo is not a great defense or a good team. So I think Trevor Simeon is going to be a fine play again. And what I've seen from him is just like, he looks really good. I mean, he's been making moves with, you know, his arm, with his legs, adding, you know, rushing touchdowns. Almost got another one this last week. So I really like what I've seen out of Trevor Simeon. I'm not scared. And he's available everywhere.

[Mike Wright]

I think what also factors into Simeon in his game script. Right, because we're trying to find, you know, bad defense that you can exploit. Well, part of Buffalo is that their offense is so anemic that the Broncos defense should be able to shut them down and put Simeon in very positive situations. I mean, like starting position, field position.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mike Wright]

Like starting on the 40 instead of the 20 or the 25.

[Jason Moore]

Right. The worry would just be that if they're able to completely shut him down, that it goes to this, you know, 100% run game. And so maybe the ceiling is a little bit capped with Simeon, but. But I do. I do think he'll be valuable. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And I do agree with you, but I think there are those out there that Buffalo hasn't given up a single passing touchdown on the entire year.

[Jason Moore]

But he's played Cam Newton.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they had Cam Newton and they had Josh McCown. So that's the perspective I was trying to give people was Simeon should be able to do something there. But you're probably going to be leaning more on the touchdowns than the total yardage for Simeon this week. I'm going to, I'm going to. I like this crazy name out there. No, I like it only owned in 4% of leagues and it's to shown Kaiser. Kaiser is going to in every matchup he starts have at least five rushing attempts. You get to place that on top of whatever he can do against Indianapolis this week who has given up 300 plus yards to both of the passers that they have faced so far. And so I think that that puts you in a pretty high floor situation for Deshaun Kaiser. He does have problems in the pass catching weapons but you saw the dependency now on Deval, then on Njoku which I think is going to help him. You've got Duke Johnson and you have Higgins. So I think Kaiser is going to be a pretty high floor play and he's available in 100% of league. So if you don't want to spend any fab at all and stream a quarterback. Deshaun Kaiser is my stream of the week.

[Mike Wright]

He was a top 12 guy week one against the Steelers. So it's not as gross as it sounds initially.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I want to spend some time getting into the mailbag answering questions from the Foot Clan. You ready, Mike?

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag, bagel bag. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Oh man.

[Andy Holloway]

I did listen back through because I had to hear it from the outside perspective. I listened back through to my Bilal Pal eulogy yesterday. I was dying laughing because I, I forgot about that. You guys were just in the background like this, sputtering, dying. Blau pal was on the ground gasping for air.

[Mike Wright]

Blah blah blah. Pal man.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, if you have a question for the podcast, go to the fantasy footballers.com click click on the Submit a question button. You can send them on in. You can also dial our voicemail hotline 302464, TFFB. Alright, let's jump into a voicemail question to kick things off.

[Mike Wright]

Hey guys, Kenny from Portland. I just wanted to know if a guy gets a pass interference call called on the defense against him, who do those yards go to? That would be my question. I couldn't figure that out.

[Jason Moore]

So no one.

[Mike Wright]

They go to nobody. But what's really funny about this question I didn't know was here. I was just talking about this on Sunday. I believe I was talking to Our good buddy Jeremy, about like those yards, they should go to somebody.

[Jason Moore]

They make an impact on the game.

[Mike Wright]

They make a huge impact on the game.

[Jason Moore]

What you were saying, what you were saying wasn't that the yard should go to somebody, but like you should get some kind of bonus for getting a pass interference call or something.

[Andy Holloway]

That's exactly where I was going to go. If you are a wide receiver and you draw a pass interference call, you should get like a one point or something. I mean, it should count as like a virtual reception.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but you don't think that you should get anything for a 50 yard gain.

[Andy Holloway]

No. Because you didn't catch the ball, but.

[Mike Wright]

Your team moved 50 yards but you.

[Andy Holloway]

Didn'T catch the ball.

[Mike Wright]

All right, there's no way to disagree on that one.

[Andy Holloway]

You're going to be very alone in that one, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Nobody gets the yards. Quarterback doesn't get the. The yards go in the stats as penalty yards.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I feel like it's so impactful on the game. The guys who can just burn and you completely change field position and you didn't have to catch the ball, but a lot.

[Jason Moore]

That's how Brandon Cooks makes a living.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. If you think about it though, Mike, there are the pass interference calls that impacted, like the catch, but then there are the ones that are, you know, they happen well away from the actual point of the catch. And then all of a sudden you're getting dragged and pulled and guys are getting points and I don't know, it's. It's too hard to enforce that type of thing. And it would completely change the history books of the NFL for all of time.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no, I'm not talking about NFL. I'm just talking about fantasy football.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you weren't talking about like giving the yard to the player.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no, I'm talking about fantasy.

[Andy Holloway]

Now you know why I thought you were crazy.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I would not. In real life, I would not change the statistics.

[Andy Holloway]

I would just give a bonus. That's what I do.

[Jason Moore]

Bonus, bonus.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, here's another voicemail question. This one is regarding DeMarco Murray.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, guys, this is Billy from Ocean Shores, Washington.

[Andy Holloway]

My question for you is, with the issues DeMarco Murray has had for the first two weeks, do you think this is going to be a trend or.

[Jason Moore]

Do you think it's injury related? Because I heard a little bit about some sort of injury. I just wanted to know because he has a pretty tough schedule coming up.

[Andy Holloway]

And I'm just curious how you guys.

[Mike Wright]

Think I should handle this situation.

[Andy Holloway]

Thanks.

[Jason Moore]

And keep up the good work. It is tough. I mean, like I said earlier, he's dealing with a hamstring issue that is a. You know, it's a re aggravation of the same hamstring problem he had in training camp. And you put those together with a brutal schedule that you brought up, Andy. And let's say DeMarco Murray is active this coming week. How confident are you? What would you expect? Where do you think he would end up in rankings? Is he, you know, a top 24? Is he still a top 12? Where would you.

[Andy Holloway]

I'd put him at. I'd put him in the top 24. I think the way that you have to look at that situation is imagine Adrian Peterson in his heyday in Minnesota. And sure, you get flashy performances from. What was it? Chester Rogers. Not Chester Rogers, Taylor. Chester Taylor back behind him or something. Like, if you have talent behind your superstar. Like this team is built around demarco Murray. They paid him. They love him. He's the foundation of the rushing offense. And I understand the talent of Derek Henry is amazing. Right. But it's very similar in Atlanta. You have the foundation built around Devonta Freeman. All the money in Devonta Freeman. The talent is through the roof with Tevin Coleman. But if a player is healthy and he's your foundation, he will get the start, the respect, the veteran leadership, all those things are going to happen. So again, it does not come down to usurping. It comes down to injury.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

So for this week, maybe he's. Maybe he's 20 to 24 in the rankings if he plays because they're going to take some pressure off him. They're going to split carries. Maybe he doesn't play. Maybe he plays and he's great. I'd put him in that range this week, but I just don't want people to think that, like, he's not going to get usurped by talent.

[Jason Moore]

Agreed. Completely agree with the. With the principle. And I just said how much I like Derek Henry. That is not going to happen. I mean, the example you bring up, there's plenty of examples. Devonta Freeman's a good one. Remember when Ladanian Tomlinson was killing it and behind him, Michael Turner was. Michael Turner, who was great. And when he left, he proved that he was great, but it didn't matter because you weren't the number one guy for this team. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And I think what. Demarcomer is 29.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

So I think there's still some. There's tread on those.

[Mike Wright]

It's 29. With a lot of touches, though.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

A lot fewer touches than Lashawn McCoy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think it's just. I think it'd be foolish for us. I mean, everybody, every fantasy owner has to make that decision. With guys like Jordan Howard or DeMarco Murray or these situations, I think that's a foolish situation to abandon ship. And I'd be. You talk about a buy low candidate. I'd buy low on DeMarco Murray. It's by week, by week, or four or five. All right, last question. Andy, in Rochester, would you rather own Kenny Galladay or Marvin Jones?

[Mike Wright]

It's still Jones.

[Jason Moore]

Marvin Jones for sure.

[Mike Wright]

Can't look. The routes are smooth, but his time is not yet.

[Jason Moore]

The nickname is great, but that doesn't make him better at football.

[Mike Wright]

Also, Foot Clan. We got to push Kenny G hard on Twitter. JJ's Baby Chong nickname is gaining. Gaining momentum on the social medias.

[Andy Holloway]

I got one more for you. By the way. Rob in Massachusetts got a trade off for Eric Decker for Isaiah Crowell.

[Mike Wright]

Would you do it to get Crowell?

[Jason Moore]

I would want Crowell.

[Mike Wright]

I want Crowell in that deal. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I'm still holding on to Decker because I think that there's, you know, hope, especially with what happened with Corey Davis. But Crowell is a starting running back, and those are hard to come by. And even though he's had a down couple of weeks, you know, I made a trade offer for Crowell today, so that shows you. Hey, don't forget about Sonos. Before you leave, go to sonos.com, grab that play base. Grab the Sonos wireless speakers. You won't be disappointed. We absolutely loved it at our house. And it's a rocket sound system. And don't forget, you can get 10% off any order. $2,500 or less for any product sold on sonos.com that is a limited time only. Can't be combined with other discounts. It's Footballers 10 for the promo code. [e-mail] all right, that is it for today's show.

[Andy Holloway]

Appreciate you tuning in. Mike, you got any final words for anybody? You doing all right over there?

[Mike Wright]

I'm doing all right. I'm just checking out. I'm on Pristine auction right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Makes sense.

[Jason Moore]

All right, people think you're joking. You're not joking.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not joking. I'm not joking.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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