
Fantasy Football Podcast for September 26th, 2017. The Fantasy Footballers are back with the Week 4 Waiver Wire show! Who should you be looking to add to improve your fantasy football roster? How much of your FAAB should you spend? We also reveal our Week
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Andy Holloway
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Jason Moore
Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from the Play Draft studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.
Andy Holloway
Ah, welcome in. Show's about to begin.
Mike Wright
Or has it already begun?
Jason Moore
Ooh, deep.
Andy Holloway
Let me tell you something.
Mike Wright
Me and me and so crates you.
Andy Holloway
Don'T know the Arizona Cardinals, you don't know Arp.
Mike Wright
Yeah, they old.
Andy Holloway
That's one old team. Welcome in to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Andy Holloway, Mike the Fantasy Hitman Wright, Jason Moore in the building, ready to talk fantasy football with you. We've got waivers on the show today. We have our quarterback, straight streamers. We'll get into all of the news and we will talk right now about last night's Monday Night Football game in which Dak Prescott put on a show.
Mike Wright
He's very good.
Andy Holloway
He's very good. I, I love a quarterback who gives his wide receiver a chance. He did it twice with Bryce Butler down the field. One on one coverage, undersized defensive back and big plays made.
Mike Wright
The Bryce Butler play in particular was amazing. So I mean he, he boots out to the right and you can see he's just, he's waiting and waiting as long as he possibly can because he's, he's ready to run. But he sees that it, there's a, there's a glimmer of hope. There's a possibility that Butler might break free and he waited the right amount of time.
Jason Moore
Very Aaron Rodgers.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I mean it was.
Jason Moore
Rogers rolls out. He's always willing and able to run, but he's looking downfield because he's, he's going to get five or he could pick up 40 with a good rollout bomb.
Andy Holloway
He reminded me a lot of Donovan McNabb last night. Sure, because McNabb was always waiting to throw downfield. But those cross body bombs on the run. I could almost see McNabb and D. Jacks back together. But impressive game. I think Ezekiel Elliott owners were soothed by the touchdown late. You know, it was a good game for Zeke in that, in the fantasy department, I think some kind of shut down in the backfield quite a few times, but eventually broke through. Great game for Dak Prescott. Dez Bryant found the end zone along with 10 of his best friends. He's very strong who helped, helped him get in there. And it was unfortunate for Arizona because they started the game well. They blew the second opportunity to score. And then the offensive line really gave way to that defensive pressure. You know, it's a mess there because when Carson Palmer had time, you saw that he could be effective despite the lack of weapons. No David Johnson.
Mike Wright
So you're bearing a little bit of the lead. Here was Larry Fitzgerald had an absolute monster game. 13 for 149 with a touchdown.
Jason Moore
He good?
Mike Wright
Yeah, he just. When Carson Palmer is able to throw a nice ball, when he, so to speak, he has actual time, then Larry is going to be able to get open. How are you guys feeling about Larry Fitzgerald moving forward? The first two weeks were absolutely atrocious. But if you didn't realize this, Arizona had not played at home in really an eternity.
Jason Moore
It was like 37 days.
Andy Holloway
37 days. It was a good sign that they, you know, Carson found Palmer or Carson found Larry consistently.
Mike Wright
So I guess what I'm saying is keep or sell?
Jason Moore
I would keep right now. I don't think you're going to get enough if you sell. Now if he puts back to back, you know, high volume PPR days together, which I expect he will be.
Mike Wright
He gets to play San Francisco next week at home. Yeah.
Jason Moore
And not only that, but Steve Keim this morning was listening to him talk about some of the injuries. There was an injury to one of the offensive linemen. He expects him to be back. But the main issue here for the Arizona Cardinals. This is why two weeks ago I had tweeted out how worried I was about playing any Cardinal was. They were down. DJ Humphries, their current left tackle and Mike Iupati, probably their best lineman. Steve Keim said today that he expects, he's hopeful that they're back this coming week. It sounded more like DJ Humphreys would be back and maybe ayupati might be two weeks. I'll give a spoiler alert early. He's going to be my stream of the week and a big part of that is going to be the offensive line play and the matchup at home against San Francisco going forward.
Andy Holloway
Would you rather start Andre Ellington who had five receptions or Chris Johnson who looked like he was five years, like he should have retired five years.
Mike Wright
It really felt like Once they committed to Andre Ellington and you saw, you kind of saw the switch halfway through the game. I know Ellington only got five carries, but he actually could move his body. I mean, oh, that guy looks like a professional running back. He's actually shifty and fast. Chris Johnson, meanwhile, was 12 for 17.
Andy Holloway
And looked every part of 12 for 17.
Mike Wright
When you saw what happened with Kerwin Williams, he was named the starter. They had cut Chris Johnson because they thought, okay, well, Kerwin's going to do it. He failed miserably. So they moved on. They said, okay, we're going to give someone else a try. So it wouldn't shock me if this week there's going to be. You're going to get that sleeper bot alert and you don't. Andre Ellington expected to see a lot more carries this week, and it would.
Jason Moore
Make sense to do it early in practice before the week because you saw some mental errors when Ellington was put in there running the wrong way or kind of coming back on a route he wasn't supposed to. And he was not, you know, practicing as the starter or even the backup running back. So I think that change could happen. I would rather have Ellington and I hope I have a better option than any of the Arizona Cardinals running backs.
Andy Holloway
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Mike Wright
Yeah, check out the YouTube people.
Jason Moore
Yeah, check it out.
Andy Holloway
All right, quick question of the day. This one comes in from Twitter. He says after week three. This is Nathan Schultz. I'll make sure to say your name properly, highlight your situation. After week three, I am now 03. Please talk me off the ledge, Nathan.
Mike Wright
Me and you, bro, we are hand in hand in this war. We are both oh and three. But that doesn't mean when the season's over, you could be 10 and 3, because whatever happens can happen in reverse. Owen 3 feels like an absolute death sentence to your fantasy football team. There are many out there who will see Owen 3 and they will say, well, next year.
Jason Moore
Oh, don't do that. Don't.
Mike Wright
Do not be that person, Nathan, because you can come back from 0 and 3 and you can still absolutely make the playoffs. A few years ago, our good friend, our the captain of this ship, Andy, what did you. You own five?
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I was on five.
Mike Wright
Own five, came back, never, never stopped fighting, kept moving forward. Made the playoffs. I'm 03, and in our league you can sell off for draft picks and some teams may do that. I'm not doing that because my team is strong enough. I'm just catching a couple bad breaks. I'm putting it together and I'm moving forward.
Jason Moore
There are in every league, several, oh, and three teams, a lot of one and two teams. There are teams that feel like, okay, they're already out of it and they're going to start playing on tilt or they're going to stop playing as much, stop mining the waiver wire. Take advantage of that situation. If you're one of those guys that scratches and claws, you will make the playoffs. The amount of emails that we get or tweets or whatever every single year talking about how I started in such a hole and won the championship, it's so common that we've been doing it.
Andy Holloway
Long enough to see those at the end of every year. Hey, I started on four, I started on five. I won the title.
Jason Moore
Do not bail.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. All right, let's talk news.
Jason Moore
News and notes from around the league.
Andy Holloway
Quite a bit of news. I want to get through this as quick as I can so we can get into the waivers. But let's start with Andrew Luck ruled out for Week 4 against Seattle. That one might have been by choice. Chuck Pagano says that there's a possibility that he'll practice this week, yet to be determined. Things are trending in the right direction for an eventual Luck return here in the next few weeks. Adam Schefter. This is not good news. This is common news, but not good news. Tyler Eifert, he's going to miss multiple weeks with a back injury.
Jason Moore
He's slow to recover, always has been. It's a huge problem. If you do not have an IR spot. I would encourage you to be confident to drop him if you need to because it's going to be a game every single week of whether or not he's back. And we've just seen too many times. He takes so long to recover from these injuries and you don't want to waste this valuable time. Now. If you've got an IR spot, obviously stash him. If you don't have someone else better to, you know, you don't just auto cut a guy, but if there's someone else you need to pick up and you need to utilize that bench spot, move on. Because all of the tight ends this year have pretty much sucked. And so if you need to stream that tight end, you're going to be just Fine against your opponents.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, that's a good point. And even when Eifert does return, are you going to feel confident starting in those first couple weeks?
Jason Moore
Certainly not week one.
Mike Wright
I just want to throw this out because we probably won't really focus on him in the waiver wire, but Andrew Luck is owned in 75% of Yahoo. Leagues and 83 in ESPN. So very minute, very small chance, but let's have a little peek on the waiver wire in case an owner was frustrated and rage dropped Andrew Luck to.
Andy Holloway
Go get Case Keenan, sometimes you have.
Mike Wright
To just say that he. There's a 10% chance or maybe even a 25% chance that he's there.
Andy Holloway
That's crazy. All right. Melvin Gordon, minor bone bruise on the knee. He only played 42% of snaps. You know, he, he left with the injury, came back later. Good news for Calvin Benjamin. No structural damage to the knee, but his week for status is unclear. If Benjamin Mrs. Week four, you already have Greg Olson out of that offense. Can you stream or sign? Like, is Devin Funches in the waiver consideration?
Jason Moore
Yes, he's definitely in the waiver consideration. And you might have to start him in a, in a flex role, but I don't think there's anyone that I love. I'm certainly. If Kelvin is out, I'm not starting Cam Newton. You know, maybe a DFS play on like a Curtis Martin or, you know, something that Curtis Martin.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I was doing a double take.
Jason Moore
Curtis Samuel. Curtis Martin would also be great if he was still playing. Yeah, no Curtis Samuel. Maybe like some seniors tour deep DFS play. But I don't like deep dfs. I don't like most of the players there if Kelvin's out, other than, I think Christian McCaffrey, just by necessity in the passing.
Mike Wright
Part of the problem is Cam's arm is not ready to go.
Andy Holloway
X rays came back negative on Matt Forte's toe injury. And guess what? We're going to ask him about it today.
Mike Wright
Tomorrow.
Andy Holloway
Well, on tomorrow's show, but I'm going to ask him about it later. Today we're going to talk to Matt Forte. Julio Jones dealing with a lower back injury will be limited in practice.
Mike Wright
Yeah, he. If you haven't seen the play, he pretty much got dropped on his head and his back. It didn't look very fun.
Andy Holloway
Tom Montgomery briefly exited with a wrist injury last week. Limited in practice on Monday. Any concern about time? Montgomery?
Mike Wright
Not for me.
Jason Moore
Not, no.
Andy Holloway
Enough to sign Jamal Williams?
Mike Wright
Yeah, I mean, we're getting to the point of the year now. We're three games in with the way that Green Bay has handled things. You can pretty confidently at this point say that Jamal Williams would get the bulk of the work if Montgomery went down. So if you want to start putting your handcuffs on your bench, I'm okay with it.
Andy Holloway
Samaj P. Ryan diagnosed with the bruised hand, bruised ego, and day to day.
Jason Moore
And bad outlook for. I mean, if you didn't hear or you didn't watch, he fumbled the ball. This is terrible news for his stock. I mean, you know, they don't forget fumbles in Washington, and so definitely need to monitor what's going on with Rob Kelly. The thing that was weird about that is he practiced most of last week and then did not play because it's a pain tolerance issue. So he's able to practice. And you could see that same thing happen this week where he practices and you just go, oh, he's practiced two weeks in a row. He's going. But if the pain tolerance still isn't there, he. He could still miss this coming week. So we'll talk about some deep sleepers there if maybe they move past Samaj.
Mike Wright
As well, and how much will it hurt? Every day when Gruden walks up to Samaj and he looks him in the eyes like, how's your Beruze?
Jason Moore
Yeah, yeah, he's kind of.
Mike Wright
I thought you broke your hand.
Jason Moore
Samaj is going home and he's putting his hand on the workbench and he's taking a hammer and he's going, I need to redo those X rays.
Mike Wright
Derek Henry, come on, Pete Ryan, I believe in you.
Andy Holloway
Derek Henry had a thigh injury in week three that he disappointed some owners that week. He should be okay. He'll be able to play in week four. Corey Davis not been ruled out yet for week four. Pay attention to that. I don't know if you'd be starting him anyways.
Jason Moore
He's another good waiver pickup. He is available on, you know, probably 25% of leagues.
Andy Holloway
It's always nice those. Sometimes those injuries where a guy gets dropped and you forget about him because he's not the one that performed the last week. Those are people to pay attention to on the waiver wire for sure. So let's go ahead and get into the waivers.
Jason Moore
Let me in.
Andy Holloway
Coach, a little pop quiz for you.
Mike Wright
Oh, pop quiz. Hot shot.
Andy Holloway
What?
Jason Moore
What?
Mike Wright
What?
Andy Holloway
Wide receiver rank is Amari Cooper right now.
Jason Moore
Oh, man. I'm gonna go. I tried to tell you 51 Mike.
Mike Wright
He was okay week one, so I don't think he's down in the 50s. I'm going to go in the 40s.
Andy Holloway
I'm going 43, 57.
Jason Moore
What do I win?
Mike Wright
Sadness.
Andy Holloway
So here's the real question we just talked yesterday about always starting your studs to fund Diggs. Ty Hilton, what does that say about Amari Cooper? Does that mean he's not a stud or does that. I mean by draft capital he's 100% supposed to be a stud that you start every week. Now he plays Denver and he's currently the wide receiver 57. And people are going, huh, the problem.
Mike Wright
With the draft capital is they were drafting the wrong stud from the Oakland Raiders. Even though both of them failed miserably on, on Sunday night. A lot of that was Derek Carr and the offensive line related. I would still, I would still try and buy Amari Cooper.
Jason Moore
Yeah, if you can.
Mike Wright
Rough coming up though.
Jason Moore
People aren't going to want to start him this week. I don't, I won't blame you if you take him off of an owner's hand with, you know, just a startable asset. And even if you're not going to start Amari this week just to hold on to him, you do continue to start him. This is no different than what you've seen from Amari Cooper. His career so far. He has giant explosive games and disappears. And what you can't do with guys like that is you can't based on what they did last week. Now obviously the matchup can help determine some of that, but you're going to miss these giant blow up games if you are reactionary like that.
Mike Wright
Blackjack's calling him out though. Yeah, I love that he's calling him out on the drops.
Andy Holloway
Well, I was going to say his rookie season he struggled with Drops tremendously. Seemed to fix it in a sophomore year and then six so far this year. So it's like it's in his head again. Six so far, including, I mean, just a brutal one right in the middle of the field. You cannot be a number one receiver and do stuff like that. And so I don't usually worry about.
Jason Moore
Drops because it means the guy got open, it means he was targeted. But it's in his head at this point. It's at such a rate that it's, it's affecting his fantasy production, clearly. And you worry he's. The next time he gets a wide open fantasy production. No, he's not. But he's concerned about whether he's going to catch the next ball coming to him and it's getting in the way of him catching that ball.
Andy Holloway
I got to be honest with you, this week's waiver wire seems like a B movie. There's just. No, there's not a headliner to me. There are many of many guys to talk about and you're in a position now where, look, tomorrow's show we're going to do keep trade cut with a number of players and talk through some of that. But I don't know, like Devin Funches.
Mike Wright
It's depth week.
Andy Holloway
It's depth week. Devin Funches, Alan Hearns.
Mike Wright
But here's the thing.
Andy Holloway
Marquis Lee, how do you decide between.
Mike Wright
Those Jags next week? Falcons, Broncos, Saints, Washington, they're on by. So you got to start looking at the bye weeks because they are coming and that's this. So a depth chart or a depth week? It's a little bit of medicine for that bench.
Andy Holloway
And Jason, what were you saying about waivers earlier? Right before the show? You were talking about something.
Jason Moore
Yeah. So we're to the point now where you're going to hear a lot of names maybe you've heard last week or the week before because they're still out there and they're still the guys to grab. But as we come further into the season, more guys are grabbed. We also will go a little deeper and name some guys that there's going to have to be a whole range here because sometimes people are like, why are you talking about him? He's owned in most leagues. But there's a lot of leagues where people grab these guys and they win championships because of it. We have to make sure we mention that. But we're also going to talk about some of the deeper guys like a Mack Brown that will be available everywhere and is really sneaky, might not work out. But if you are in a deeper league where there's more competition, you got to dig deep on those waivers.
Andy Holloway
I'm going to. I think we'll do it this way today. I'm going to read off some of the names in consideration. I want to know who you think the best, each of you, who's the best guy to start this upcoming week and then who's the best guy to pick up for more of a long term outlook. So Devin Funches, Alan Hearns, Marquis Lee, you got Geronimo, Allison with the big week. You had Bruce Ellington come through for 459 and one and then you had Josh Dockson, Paul Richardson, Tyler Lockett, Sterling shepherd and that's a lot of names, man. Kenny, Brett. No, I understand. I'm throwing those names out there. But I'm not sure every single one of them is worthy of a long discussion. So I want to know who your kind of headliners are.
Jason Moore
My headliner right now is Marquis Lee. Really? Between him and Alan Hearns, I would.
Mike Wright
Much rather have Hearns.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I'm much rather have Marquis Lee.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I have shifted. I was 50, 50 and I'm definitely on the Marquis Lee side. His utilization, the way that he's targeted, the way he's looked at he was used in the red zone. You know, I would rather have that volume play where he's not going to crap my team or have to have a touchdown to get it done. He still can get the touchdowns. I agree. Alan Hearns is probably a better red zone threat for sure. But Marquis Lee is going to be their number one wide receiver. That's what it showed to me in the first game. Without Alan Robinson. I want a number one wide receiver. He would be my wide receiver du jour.
Andy Holloway
Okay, Mike, who's your wide receiver du jour?
Mike Wright
I'll throw out Sterling Shepard as the du jour. I mean, the guy's seeing pretty solid volume. 10 targets. I know he had the big play that really put him over the top for this week's fantasy production, but he's an excellent player. I'm getting two fingers pointed at me from Andrew.
Andy Holloway
One name not on this list is Brandon Marshall. But if somebody gave up, Brandon Marshall.
Mike Wright
Is worth picking up.
Andy Holloway
People gave up on Marshall after the first couple of weeks. Had eight receptions this week for 66 yards. So it was a limited depth per target. But Shepard or Marshall, who would you rather roster right now?
Mike Wright
I would rather have Shepard at this point. But Brandon Marshall is. He's a fine pickup and people have thrown him away. And I mean the touchdown upside, like the reason I want Alan Hearns over Marquis Lee is the number one receiver for the Jaguars does not excite me at all. But a guy who can give you big plays from that offense, that's. That's the player I would want.
Andy Holloway
All right. Kenny Brett, I think is at the top of my list, embarrassingly.
Mike Wright
It's not embarrassing. I mean, it's a good point.
Andy Holloway
A ton of targets this past week. First touchdown as a Brown. Their situation necessitates not only the utilization of Kenny Britt, but Kaiser is still, I believe, second or third in the league in terms of downfield throws. And look, if you got to take a shot with somebody there, give me targets and big play capability down the field on a bigger bodied receiver. And I'm not, you know, I'm not signing Geronimo, Allison.
Mike Wright
Oh, I think.
Andy Holloway
Not doing it.
Jason Moore
Oh, I think Geronimo.
Mike Wright
If Randall Cobb is going to miss time, then Geronimo is absolutely worth a pickup to me.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I agree with that. If, if Randall's out, I would. I think Geronimo is a fine start.
Andy Holloway
All right, Is there anybody else at the wide receiver position before we move on?
Jason Moore
Paul Richardson to me, you know, you.
Mike Wright
Got to monitor what's going on with Doug Baldwin's growing.
Jason Moore
Yeah. And they say he's day to day. He could be all right. But if he sits this week, I think Paul Richardson is going to be a really strong play. He's looked good so far. He would be in consideration.
Andy Holloway
Richardson or Lockett?
Mike Wright
I think I would go Paul. I would take Lockett just because he's not dealing with a hand injury.
Andy Holloway
Okay.
Mike Wright
If you can force feed a guy, it would seem like Lockett would be the guy. And then I'll just throw out Josh Dockson. Again, this is an absolute speculation ad, but let's say you're three and, oh, you're cruising. Your team is super strong. You don't want one of these lower level guys just clogging up your bench. Josh Dachshund is elevating, I mean, his elevating catching touchdowns too, but his snaps are going up. Troyl Pryor has been a pretty big bust for them and Jameson Crowder is, is who he is. So I think that Dachshund's worth picking up. Before we move into the running backs, though, I want to thank today's sponsor me undies, fellas. You want to look good, you want to feel good in that underwear. How much time are you spending in those undies every day, fellas?
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Andy Holloway
All right. Not disagreeing with you whatsoever on the cursory pickup of Dachshund. First catch of the year. Yes, first catch.
Mike Wright
Oh, I know. It's been a, it's been an uphill battle for Dachshund with injuries.
Andy Holloway
I realized that the rapport that Cousins doesn't have with Pryor, the cap on.
Mike Wright
It's also Ryan Grant. Ryan Grant saw his snaps go down. I mean we're talking a one game.
Andy Holloway
Trend but and it's being the number 22 overall pick in the NFL draft.
Jason Moore
One last name to throw out from last night's game would be Jaron Brown. If John Brown keeps missing. Jaron Brown almost had three touchdowns last night. He got one, he got a second. But then it was called back on a holding penalty. And then towards the end of the game he was targeted in the end zone. His foot just came out slightly out of bounds.
Mike Wright
I mean two weeks ago when J.J. nelson had the big game, John Brown was Still the target share guy.
Jason Moore
He had the targets. He had 73 yards two weeks ago. So to me, he's got a good matchup coming up at home against San Francisco. If John Brown's out, he's a startable type of player.
Andy Holloway
All right, some familiar names at the top of the running back list worth mentioning in case you are in the small percentage of leagues in which they are not owned. Specifically Chris Thompson. Probably about 15 to 25% of leagues not owned.
Mike Wright
Yeah, just a reminder that he should be owned.
Andy Holloway
Tariq Cohen, Somehow.
Mike Wright
It is, right?
Jason Moore
Yeah, we double checked the number. Right now in espn, he's available in still the majority, which is crazy and seems impossible.
Andy Holloway
It is impossible.
Mike Wright
What's funny about these waiver shows is, you know, we're throwing out the names. You're saying this guy's widely available. But if you're in an ESPN league or you're in a Yahoo league, it's very different. We sound ridiculous. Right? We're saying, hey, you need to go pick up Tariq Cohen. The people over in Yahoo are like, he's owned. You guys are idiots. He's owning 85% of leagues, but somehow in ESPN it's only 40% of leagues. And then you go to a guy like CJ Pro Size and the ESPN people like, you guys are idiots. He's owning 80% of leagues, but in Yahoo. He's only owned 18% leagues. Can someone tell me what the reason.
Jason Moore
The reason this happens is? Because when you go to pick up free agents, there's recommendations based on where you're playing, whatever they're projected to do this week, whatever the ownership is. And so the trends just escalate on their own platforms. But that's, that's why we give out the names first.
Mike Wright
These gaps are. They make no sense.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, the pro size and Cohen numbers make me feel like ESPN is displaying ownership percentage from two weeks ago.
Mike Wright
What about Johnson?
Andy Holloway
Like a two week. That's why I don't want to read. I just want to bring the names up. I don't want to read too much into the exact science behind, okay, maybe it's 40, maybe it's 50. It doesn't matter. They're available in some percentage of leagues. Chris Carson, he owns the backfield in Seattle. He needs to be owned. Plain and simple. No snaps, no play. I think one snap and no touches for Thomas Rawls. He needs to be owned. C.J. pro size. Interesting. He had a higher snap percentage this week. He was only four for nine on the ground, but had three for 60. Five on five targets.
Mike Wright
He's a pass catching guy. He's a PPR guy.
Andy Holloway
Exactly.
Jason Moore
Yeah. And Duke Johnson, another PPR guy. If those guys are out there, they should be picked up because all of them are startable.
Andy Holloway
I want to tell people to get Deontay Foreman, you need to get Deontay Foreman. The relying, the ability for Bill O'Brien to rely on Deontay Foreman is increasing week over week. We saw big plays in the passing game. He runs with a different kind of flavor, Oomph. Oomph. Than Lamar Miller. And it's rare to have a player that I think you could spot start like Deontay Foreman will become. And yet if Miller went down, could be a top 12, top 15 guy because of volume. And so I like to have those guys on my bench because if I'm going to take a chance on somebody, give me a chance on somebody that can be a difference maker in my league. I think the altiform is a great guy to spend on if you are a team that is performing well and does have a little bit of time to see what happens in that backfield.
Mike Wright
The name I want to throw out is a guy who I have not said very many positive things about. But Wendell Smallwood definitely He, he got 12 carries, had 71 yards. I mean he had a very solid performance. The bigger thing is Darren Sprols is gone. Darren Sprouls is out for the year with his ACL and broken arm injuries. What is the team doing with Leguerre Blunt? I have no idea. The guy goes from no carries to being a double digit touch guy to being the goal line guy. I don't think even they know what they're doing with Legarre Blunt right now. But Wendell Smallwood saw his snap percentage jump from the 20s to over 50 when Darren Sprouls went out this past week. So he's, he is a name that I think is a must pickup at.
Jason Moore
This point and he's the most likely to go into that Darren Sprouls role. I'll also throw out Corey Clement. He looked great in preseason and has looked good in regular season. With Danelle Pumphrey and Darren Sprouls both on ir, you basically got three backs there and I think right now all three probably should be owned and rostered until we know, until we figure out the direction. Because it is a good offense, it is a good offensive line. They should be able to run the ball. And you've seen flashes, you know, at least from Corey Clement, he's looked good behind that line.
Andy Holloway
So far, all three Eagles running backs very similar to the Seattle situation when we didn't know whether it was Lacey Rawls or Carson. Carson Sprols we know, out for the season, torn acl, broken arm. That's why Jason's saying, hey, let's put these guys on a roster and wait to see how things shake out. Other names to mention. Alvin Camara.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
You know, he scored.
Mike Wright
I think, I think Camara is a. Is an excellent stash at this point. This is a. This is a wait and see upside potential of.
Andy Holloway
Would you rather have Alvin Camara stash or Jamal Charles stashed?
Mike Wright
Camara, probably.
Jason Moore
I think I lean Jamal.
Andy Holloway
I think I lean Jamal.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I do. We knew. I mean look at the, look at what the rookie running backs have done this year. We knew that Camaro was in consideration to be a guy. I think an injury has to happen for Camara to get the level of touches for consistency. But I don't mind him as a cursory out. Like you said, at least he has the youth and the upside. Other names that you guys want to mention, you know, anything in the handcuff world, you know, let's talk about Zeke situation. Zeke. Right now there's a hearing on October 2, which means he's guaranteed to play this next week. If for some reason something went wrong at that hearing, you could see the suspension instituted immediately. Who's the back to own? Is it Morris or McFadden?
Jason Moore
Right now you want to get both? I mean, I wouldn't take both if they're both available because you got to take a shot. I still, I know it sounds so weird, but I still believe that it would be Darren McFadden if sequence out.
Mike Wright
Morris had no touches.
Jason Moore
Yeah. I mean last week or yesterday. So I would be grabbing.
Andy Holloway
That's the same as me.
Jason Moore
I would be grabbing Darren McFadden. But if he's, you know, if I'll. He's. Darren McFadden should be available because he's been inactive the last two weeks. Dropped every.
Mike Wright
He's going to be fresh.
Jason Moore
Yeah, he's. He's should be on your waivers. I would pick him up just for a one week hold because he could end up becoming the next eight weeks starting running back for the Cowboys. And so by that logic, Alfred Morris has just as good a shot right now. So you should pick him up. But he's probably more owned already.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Being a Zeke owner is really fun. Really a treat. Nice. Dramatic. Well, you don't impact to your psyche.
Mike Wright
It's a roller coaster man, you don't want life to just be this. Just flat, boring ground, this smooth ascent to victory. Who wants that?
Jason Moore
I would also throw out Mack Brown. I alluded to him earlier. He is the backup. I mean, he's just a guy. But if they bench Samaj P. Ryan because of the fumble and Rob Kelly doesn't play, you're talking about a starting running back who. When. Once that happened, once. P. Ryan basically went down and Rob Kelly was out last week, he got six carries. I think he ran for like five.
Mike Wright
Yards of carry, 27 yards.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I mean, he was. He looked. He looked all right. And if he's got the role, it's going to be valuable. So he's a deeper pickup option. Brandon Oliver is a good handcuff right now because Melvin Gordon, they say it's nothing, but he went back in the game and then came out. And so that says he could do that again.
Andy Holloway
You guys comfortable moving on to some tight ends?
Mike Wright
I just want to throw out that James Conner is very low owned, and I think he should be owned in every single league by the left bell owner. Yes.
Jason Moore
Yeah, that's the rookie running back in Pittsburgh. And Matt Burrida, the San Francisco 49ers running back, should also be rostered because the guy in front of him is generally made of glass.
Andy Holloway
He's got the effort going on.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Carlos Hyde, he.
Mike Wright
When that's actually what people scream out when something hurts.
Jason Moore
Yeah. I've heard my knee. Oh, I've hurt my knee. Oh, the parents were prophetic.
Mike Wright
Totally.
Jason Moore
I've hurt. That's his new name.
Andy Holloway
I've hurt. Tyler. I've hurt Tyler.
Jason Moore
I've hurt my knee. I've hurt.
Andy Holloway
I've hurt my back. Well, how you doing over there, Brooks?
Jason Moore
Doing good.
Andy Holloway
Good. I could hear you saying, I've hurt as well.
Jason Moore
And we talked about Andre Ellington, but also worth. Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Oh, yeah.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
If you want to pick somebody to be disappointed with. Disappointed with, look no further than whoever I am rostering at running back each week these days. All right. Ben Watson, Evan Ingram, asj. Six targets for asj.
Jason Moore
Austin's Ferrian Jenkins.
Andy Holloway
Yes. Austin. Severn Jenkins, New York jets tight end Evan Ingram, New York Giants tight end. I'm impressed with both of those guys. From a target share perspective, which would you rather have? Which would you rather roster the youth and upside of Ingram, or would you rather have ASJ being kind of like a limited.
Jason Moore
That's a really good question. I think I would have to lean on the quarterback situation, and that would be Eli Manning and I would take Evan England.
Mike Wright
Is Eli Manning that much better than Josh McCown?
Jason Moore
Yeah. Because here's what Eli Manning does. Eli Manning gets pressure and he falls on his booty to make sure that he stays in the game. Here's what Josh McCown does. He sees pressure.
Mike Wright
He's still playing right now.
Jason Moore
He runs directly at it with his helmet first and says, I can destroy you and he will not play the whole season.
Mike Wright
I am invincible.
Jason Moore
So for that reason, I'm more confident in the longevity of Evan Ingram. But I like both guys. Sure. And Austin Safarian Jenkins was tied for the, you know, the lead in targets the first time in a game.
Andy Holloway
Vernon Davis. Vernon Davis was one of the pass catchers that does have a rapport with Cousins. If Reed is missing more time, Vernon Davis is a great streaming option.
Jason Moore
He's my number one tight end pickup.
Andy Holloway
Is he really?
Jason Moore
Yeah, he is. Because I trust Jordan Reed about as much as I trust Tyler Ifert when it comes to injuries.
Mike Wright
So you would not co Sign a loan?
Jason Moore
No.
Andy Holloway
Either of those guys?
Jason Moore
No, not unless it was an insurance.
Andy Holloway
What about Hyde? You wouldn't. You wouldn't sign one with Carlos Hyde either?
Jason Moore
No, no. There's certain guys.
Mike Wright
You have trust issues, man.
Jason Moore
You know, you call it trust issues. I call it. I like healthy guys.
Andy Holloway
See, Greg Olson and I signed a loan earlier this year.
Mike Wright
That's in.
Andy Holloway
Based on his history. It didn't work out. Yeah, I'm paying it off now. No good.
Mike Wright
Saddled me with all of it.
Andy Holloway
Saddle me with that debt. Look, the tight end position has been a challenge this year. If you're not gronking it, who did get banged up? But he's obviously been amazing. If you're not gronking it or erts in it.
Jason Moore
Yeah. And you mentioned Ben Watson. He was not as involved this last week, but he did get the touchdown. I still.
Mike Wright
Garbage touchdown.
Jason Moore
It was. I still like Ben Watson. I mean, the whole Ravens game was just a mess beyond a mess in London.
Andy Holloway
Well beyond.
Jason Moore
Well beyond. I mean, you're talking hoarders level of mess.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
So I would still take a flyer on Benoit.
Mike Wright
And I want to say you may have the desire to fully rage drop.
Jason Moore
Jack Doyle and Hunter Henry.
Mike Wright
I don't.
Jason Moore
Oh, Hunter.
Mike Wright
I'm done with Hunter.
Jason Moore
I am not. I am not.
Mike Wright
I am done with Hunter Henry.
Andy Holloway
I'm not playing that coin flip if.
Mike Wright
Win two out of three games.
Andy Holloway
I said last week, don't sign him.
Mike Wright
The guy has zero mean. No. No. Thank you. Jack Doyle is capable. He's getting targets and his all star quarterback is going to be back in a few weeks.
Andy Holloway
Defensive streaming options this week on the waiver wire. I see a bunch of names here that you guys have put in here. Green Bay takes on Chicago. They're only owned in 7% of ESPN leagues. I see Tennessee hosting Houston. I see Tampa hosting the Giants. I don't really love that. Based on. I actually have Eli Manning as my stream of the week this week and I saw problems. I mean if Case Keenum can carve up that secondary in Tampa, I'm not going to bank on that. Here's who I'd rather play as a streaming option. I'd much rather play Detroit, who's currently the number one. They're the number one defense. They've been double digit depending on your scoring. But I mean they 16, 16, 12 in our league and they play Minnesota. And yes, Case Kinematic, a very good week. But if there's one team that is intercepting the ball consistently this year, it's been Detroit. I think there are going to be opportunities there. I would prefer playing Detroit than I would Tampa.
Jason Moore
The team that I'm targeting the most would be the Bengals. I believe their defense is fully legit. I mean their defense has really kept them in games that Andy Dalton has tried to get them out of. And they played the Cleveland tried and succeeded. Yeah. Right now Andy Dalton is beating the Bengals defense.
Mike Wright
Nice.
Andy Holloway
Anybody else?
Mike Wright
That Jaguars take on the jets over at Yahoo. They're. They're available in over 50% of leagues and that's a slam dunk.
Jason Moore
Full stream.
Andy Holloway
All right.
Jason Moore
Whoa. Unlike last week.
Andy Holloway
Frightening.
Jason Moore
Last week was very difficult to pick a good streaming matchup. Now most of them worked out very well because all of the mediocre quarterbacks did great this past week in the NFL. This week there are plenty.
Andy Holloway
Thanks to Sean Kaiser.
Mike Wright
Yeah, Kaiser's fantasy stud right now.
Jason Moore
He can run the ball. He gets rushing touchdowns. He's. He looks down the field which a lot of times rookie quarterbacks don't do. I love.
Andy Holloway
It's a regular Tim Tebow what you're seeing in Kaiser.
Mike Wright
Except don't put that on Kaiser from a fantasy perspective.
Andy Holloway
He gets it done by Tebow was.
Mike Wright
Great for fantasy because he ran, he didn't throw.
Jason Moore
Yeah, exactly.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Okay. Kaiser has. I think he has rushing touchdowns in two of his three games.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I'm saying.
Andy Holloway
But Jason carries seven things about is.
Mike Wright
That Kaiser looks downfield.
Andy Holloway
I mean he goes deep. But three picks in each of the last two games.
Jason Moore
Yeah, that's good. More coming for The Bengals, I would.
Andy Holloway
Put up a play.
Jason Moore
Kaiser this week, he put up a 3.9.
Andy Holloway
In the migraine game.
Jason Moore
Yeah, in the migraine game, a lot of good options. You got Blake Bortles at the jets. You got Jake Cutler against the Saints.
Mike Wright
Now for Jay Cutler, I will just throw out the warning. This is. That's the London game and I've been told that the Dolphins are not traveling until later this week. So I don't know if you want to do that.
Andy Holloway
Kaiser, Tyrod against Atlanta. These are some other honorable mention streamer options. Andy Dalton against Cleveland. After getting back on on the right track last week, I think he's going to be throwing to mixing more often. So I'm excited to see what he can do. Maybe some free yards.
Jason Moore
Yeah, Andy Dalton's great. I'm really intrigued with Tyrod Taylor because the matchup is perfect. But Tyrod Taylor is better in Buffalo than on the road. And this is on the road, so we'll see.
Andy Holloway
I didn't want to make him my stream. That's why I went with Eli Manning against Tampa Bay who just got torched. Look, Eli has a healthy. Elder Beckham Jr. We heard all about the Philadelphia Eagles secondary and how great they are. And then Brandon Marshall, eight receptions. Oda Beckham Jr. Two touchdowns. Sterling shepherd, seven receptions. Evan Ingram, seven targets and five receptions. That's. Look, they can't run. You can't run the ball.
Jason Moore
That's exactly.
Andy Holloway
Then just go.
Mike Wright
Just accept it. Except you cannot run the ball.
Jason Moore
That's very similar to what helped me pick Carson Palmer because I realized watching the game, I was so happy, you know, as an Arizona Cardinals, you know, fan and native to Arizona, I don't want to pick any Cardinals ever because I fear that people are going to be like, oh, he's just a homer. I am the.
Mike Wright
Most people said that when we pumped up David Johnson last year. My man.
Jason Moore
Yeah, well, the point here is that he is at home. He is against The San Francisco 49ers. The running game has not been able to get the job done and he has looked good when he's protected, but the offensive line was terrible last night. They're going to get back one or possibly two starters this coming week. The pass rush for The San Francisco 49ers is not nearly what it is for the Dallas Cowboys. So I really like the home start of Carson Palmer. That's my stream of the week.
Mike Wright
I like him and I mean, he just coming off a great game despite the offensive line woes.
Jason Moore
Great fantasy option.
Mike Wright
I'm going back into the fire with Trevor Simeon. He gets to take on the Raiders. The big thing for Simeon, though, is he's at home. And the Raiders defenses, I think they're showing who they are with that game against Washington. I think that Simeon gets it back together at home with his passing weapons.
Jason Moore
You are the Simeon whisperer. So I'm going to tell people, trust Mike on this one, because a couple of weeks ago, you were calling for the Simeon Emmanuel Sanders stack, which nobody was calling for that. And then he threw two touchdowns to Emmanuel Sanders. Huge win last week when I chose Trevor Simeon as my starter, you actually pumped the brakes on him. Said, I disagree with my colleague. You were right. Now you're back on him.
Mike Wright
It's home.
Jason Moore
Then I'm on him.
Mike Wright
I'm not like bringing up brand new science here. It's Trevor Simeon at home.
Andy Holloway
Trevor Simeon's the kind of quarterback that you need a break. You need a break from him. You need to take a week off with Trevor Simeon.
Jason Moore
Oh, he got.
Mike Wright
He got too hot. Too hot to touch.
Andy Holloway
He was signed by a lot of people, played by a lot of people. But Mike, like you said, he'll be.
Jason Moore
Dropped by a lot of people.
Mike Wright
Yep.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. And now maybe a great streaming option. So tomorrow on the show, we got keep trade cut. We got a bunch of mailbag questions. Got pump the break, Matt Forte. Matt Forte will be on tomorrow's show and I'm excited to get his opinion of things, you know, New York, big win and the toe. We'll find out about the injury and what that means for him. Bilal, pal, other options there.
Jason Moore
Tweet us some questions. If you want specific questions asked. Forte, tweet us out. Maybe we'll be able to get them in.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, okay, sounds good. Let's go ahead and wrap this one up. Before we do, I want to say thanks to Sonos again for sponsoring today's episode. Look, the nice thing again, you can play your TV, you have great sound, but then when the TV's off, you can stream right to your playbase. It's pretty great. Right now, Sonos is giving that 10% off an order of 2,500 or less by using our promo code FOOTBALLERS10 Listeners of the Fantasy Footballers get that 10% off for any product@sonos.com offers a limited time offer and cannot be combined with other discounts or promotions. Use that promo code footballers10@sonos.com s o n o s.com to receive this exclusive offer. All right, guys, let's say goodbye.
Mike Wright
Goodbye.
Jason Moore
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Mike Wright
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Jason Moore
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Episode: Fantasy Football 2017 - Week 4 Waivers, QB Streams, Stay Calm
Release Date: September 26, 2017
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
The episode kicks off with a discussion on the exhilarating Monday Night Football game featuring Dak Prescott. The hosts commend Prescott's performance, highlighting his ability to connect effectively with his wide receivers despite defensive pressures.
Andy Holloway praises Prescott’s strategic play:
"I love a quarterback who gives his wide receiver a chance. He did it twice with Bryce Butler down the field." (01:35)
Mike Wright elaborates on Prescott's patience and decision-making:
"He’s waiting as long as he possibly can because he’s ready to run. But he sees that there’s a possibility Butler might break free and he waited the right amount of time." (02:09)
Jason Moore compares Prescott’s rollout to Aaron Rodgers:
"Very Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers rolls out. He’s always willing and able to run, but he’s looking downfield because he’s going to get five or he could pick up 40 with a good rollout bomb." (02:10)
The trio also reflects on Prescott’s comparison to Donovan McNabb, emphasizing Prescott’s capability to make significant downfield plays and his overall impressive game performance.
A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the Arizona Cardinals' performance and key players.
Mike Wright highlights Larry Fitzgerald’s resurgence:
"Larry Fitzgerald had an absolute monster game. 13 for 149 with a touchdown." (03:18)
Jason Moore advises on holding or selling Fitzgerald:
"I would keep right now. I don’t think you’re going to get enough if you sell." (04:07)
The hosts delve into the Cardinals' offensive line issues, mentioning injuries to key linemen like DJ Humphries and Mike Iupati. Jason Moore identifies Carson Palmer as a potential QB streamer for Week 4, considering the upcoming matchup against San Francisco and the offensive line's current struggles.
"He’s going to be my stream of the week and a big part of that is going to be the offensive line play and the matchup at home against San Francisco going forward." (04:24)
A listener named Nathan Schultz shares his frustration with a 0-3 record, prompting the hosts to offer encouragement and strategies to recover.
Mike Wright empathizes and motivates:
"We are both oh and three. But that doesn’t mean when the season’s over, you could be 10 and 3, because whatever happens can happen in reverse." (07:02)
Jason Moore reinforces the possibility of a comeback:
"Don’t be that person, Nathan, because you can come back from 0 and 3 and you can still absolutely make the playoffs." (07:30)
The hosts share personal anecdotes and emphasize persistence, advising listeners to remain active on the waiver wire and not to give up early in the season.
The hosts provide comprehensive updates on player injuries and their implications for fantasy football players.
Andrew Luck is ruled out for Week 4 against Seattle, with hopes for his return in subsequent weeks:
"[Andrew Luck] ruled out for Week 4 against Seattle." (08:58)
Tyler Eifert faces a multi-week absence due to a back injury. Jason Moore suggests dropping him unless you have an IR spot:
"If you do not have an IR spot, I would encourage you to be confident to drop him if you need to because it’s going to be a game every single week." (09:26)
Melvin Gordon misses snaps due to a knee injury, signaling potential opportunities for backup running backs like Jamal Williams:
"He only played 42% of snaps. Good news for Calvin Benjamin." (10:08)
Additional updates include injuries to Matt Forte, Julio Jones, and Tom Montgomery, with the hosts discussing potential waiver pickups and streaming options in response to these injuries.
A significant segment of the episode focuses on waiver wire pickups, offering strategic advice on which players to target for immediate impact and long-term value.
Marquis Lee vs. Alan Hearns:
Jason Moore favors Lee for his volume and red-zone targets:
"Marquis Lee is going to be their number one wide receiver." (19:02)
Sterling Shepard is recommended by Mike Wright for his solid target volume:
"He's an excellent player. I'm getting two fingers pointed at me from Andrew." (19:43)
Paul Richardson vs. Tyler Lockett:
Jason Moore prefers Richardson due to his increasing target share:
"He had a good matchup coming up at home against San Francisco." (21:15)
Wendell Smallwood gains attention as a potential starter due to Darren Sprols' injury:
"He saw his snap percentage jump from the 20s to over 50." (28:40)
Corey Clement is highlighted for his performance and potential behind the Eagles' offensive line:
"With Danelle Pumphrey and Darren Sprouls on IR, you have three backs there." (29:32)
Alvin Kamara vs. Jamal Charles:
The hosts debate between Kamara's upside and Charles' reliability, with a slight preference for Charles for immediate impact:
"I think I lean Jamal." (30:37)
Vernon Davis is recommended by Jason Moore over other tight ends due to his rapport with Cousins:
"I trust Jordan Reed about as much as I trust Tyler Eifert when it comes to injuries." (35:39)
Ben Watson remains a solid pickup despite limited involvement:
"I would still take a flyer on Benoit." (36:32)
Carson Palmer is selected as a favorable QB stream for Week 4 due to his matchup against the weakened San Francisco defense:
"I really like the home start of Carson Palmer. That's my stream of the week." (41:20)
Trevor Siemian is another recommended QB streamer, praised for his home performance and connection with Emmanuel Sanders:
"Trevor Siemian at home." (41:52)
The hosts discuss optimal streaming options for quarterbacks and defensive units, emphasizing matchups and defensive strengths.
Detroit Lions Defense is favored by Andy Holloway for their consistent interceptions:
"...they play Minnesota. And yes, Case Kinematic, a very good week." (38:18)
Cincinnati Bengals Defense is another top pick, praised for their legitimacy and performance against strong offenses:
"The Bengals defense has really kept them in games that Andy Dalton has tried to get them out of." (38:38)
As the episode wraps up, the hosts preview upcoming topics, including the "Keep, Trade, Cut" segment and an interview with Matt Forte. They encourage listeners to engage with the podcast community and stay active on social media for more insights and updates.
Andy Holloway:
"Derek Henry had a thigh injury in week three that he disappointed some owners that week." (14:03)
Mike Wright:
"I'm done with Hunter Henry." (37:01)
Jason Moore:
"Do not bail." (08:43)
This episode provides valuable insights into player performances, injury impacts, and strategic waiver wire pickups, equipping fantasy football enthusiasts with the knowledge to navigate Week 4 effectively. The hosts blend expert analysis with engaging discussions, ensuring listeners remain informed and competitive in their leagues.