Fantasy Football 2017 - Week 5 Keep/Trade/Cut & Pump the Brakes

Summary

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Episode: Fantasy Football 2017 - Week 5 Keep/Trade/Cut & Pump the Brakes
Release Date: October 4, 2017

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Introduction

In this episode of Fantasy Footballers, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright dive into Week 5 of the 2017 fantasy football season. The episode revolves around strategic decisions players must make through the "Keep/Trade/Cut" and "Pump the Brakes" segments, alongside an analysis of recent news and listener questions from the mailbag.

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Keep/Trade/Cut Segment

Overview:
The trio begins with their staple "Keep/Trade/Cut" segment, evaluating several players based on their performance, potential, and upcoming matchups. This segment is crucial for fantasy managers looking to optimize their rosters for the remainder of the season.

Key Discussions:

1. Terrence West

   • Decision: Cut
   • Discussion: The hosts agree that Terrence West lacks significant value and should be removed from the roster to free up space.
   • Notable Quote:
     Jason Moore (14:06): "I'm cutting him."

2. Javorius Allen

   • Decision: Evaluate for Trade
   • Discussion: Despite inconsistent performance, Allen’s involvement in the offense keeps him on the radar. The team considers his high target volume but limited carries as a trade opportunity.
   • Notable Quote:
     Jason Moore (15:13): "I think I would try to trade him because while he's... he just doesn't want to."

3. Brandon Cooks

   • Decision: Keep
   • Discussion: With strong potential for breakout games, especially against defenses that struggle against wide receivers, Cooks remains a valuable asset.
   • Notable Quote:
     Andy Holloway (16:18): "He's definitely a keep for me because... he has monster blow-up games."

4. Alex Smith

   • Decision: Trade
   • Discussion: Given Smith’s consistent performance, the hosts suggest trading him for a running back or wide receiver to strengthen those positions.
   • Notable Quote:
     Andy Holloway (17:07): "Whenever you can trade a quarterback for a running back or a wide receiver, you should do it."

5. Kareem Hunt

   • Decision: Keep
   • Discussion: Hunt’s dual-threat capability as a runner and receiver makes him indispensable. Trading him for players like DeMarco Murray or Melvin Gordon is deemed too risky.
   • Notable Quote:
     Jason Moore (19:03): "I would not do that. I would keep Kareem Hunt."

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Pump the Brakes Segment

Overview:
In "Pump the Brakes," the hosts advise listeners to hold off on overvaluing players who had exceptionally good performances last week but may not sustain it.

Key Discussions:

1. Tyrell Williams (22:18)

   • Reason: Despite scoring 22 fantasy points the previous week, Williams has been inconsistent and faces a challenging matchup against the Giants, who give up minimal points to wide receivers.
   • Notable Quote:
     Andy Holloway (04:48): "Tyrell Williams is a very boomer bust candidate for me."

2. Cam Newton (05:46)

   • Reason: Newton's impressive performance against a previously weak Patriots defense is scrutinized as the Patriots have one of the worst defenses for fantasy purposes this season. Facing Detroit, a top-ranked defense, makes his upcoming matchup risky.
   • Notable Quotes:
     Andy Holloway (05:54): "He put up 42 fantasy points... the Patriots defense has been the worst in the league for fantasy purposes."
     Marshall Falk (07:13): "Detroit's the number one defense in fantasy right now, and they're at home."

3. Baltimore Ravens vs. Oakland Raiders Game (07:58)

   • Reason: Both teams are struggling offensively and defensively, making players involved in this matchup unreliable for fantasy points.
   • Notable Quote:
     Jason Moore (08:21): "There is nothing good going on here... I want nothing to do with anyone involved in the Baltimore Oakland game."

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News and Notes

Overview:
The hosts discuss recent NFL news impacting fantasy decisions, including injuries, player status updates, and team dynamics.

Key Topics:

1. Green Bay Packers Injuries (10:03)

   • Players Affected: Devonte Adams, Jamal Williams, Ty Montgomery.
   • Impact: Uncertainty around player availability affects bid strategies in auctions and roster decisions.
   • Notable Quotes:
     Jason Moore (10:24): "Devonte Adams is going to suit up this week after that crushing hit."
     Jason Moore (11:23): "Jamal Williams is saying, well, I'm good to go."

2. Boston Patriots Offense and Mike Gillislee (30:08)

   • Discussion: Gillislee remains a must-start despite offensive inconsistencies, though concerns linger about the Patriots’ defensive improvements.
   • Notable Quote:
     Marshall Falk (30:36): "What do you do with Gillislee and is he a must start in this matchup where the Buccaneers are the fifth rank run defense?"

3. Player Releases and Status Updates (12:37)

   • Notable Players:
     • AJ Gordon not applied for reinstatement.
     • Josh Gordon’s uncertain status with the Browns.
     • Washington’s Terrell Dashshund’s shoulder injury.

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Mailbag

Overview:
Listeners submit questions ranging from ethical trading practices to player evaluations. The hosts provide their insights, often engaging in lighthearted banter.

Key Questions and Answers:

1. Ethical Trades for Temporary Gains (38:18)

   • Question: Is it ethical to rent players through one-week trades with an agreement to swap them back?
   • Hosts' Consensus:
     • Marshall Falk: "That is [unethical]. It is basically collusion because you are working with another team to an end."
     • Andy Holloway & Jason Moore: Generally agree that such trades are unethical and constitute collusion unless both teams genuinely benefit without ulterior motives.

2. Starting Andy Dalton vs. Big Ben (42:50)

   • Decision: Mixed opinions; some prefer Dalton for his current form, while others trust Big Ben’s matchup.
   • Notable Quotes:
     Andy Holloway (43:11): "I'm going Big Ben."
     Marshall Falk (43:18): "I'm going to take Dalton."

3. Players from a Single Team on a Roster (46:00)

   • Question: How many players from one team should you have on your roster?
   • Hosts' Consensus:
     • Generally recommend holding up to three players from a single, high-performing team to balance potential and risk.

4. Amari Cooper vs. Terrell Pryor (49:23)

   • Decision: Opinions vary, but generally favor Cooper due to higher and more consistent target volumes.
   • Notable Quotes:
     Andy Holloway (49:23): "That's great. I'm going Coop."
     Marshall Falk (49:25): "I'm going to go Prior."

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Preview of Upcoming Game

Patriots vs. Buccaneers (Thursday Night Game) (28:30 onwards):

• Overview: Anticipation builds for the high-scoring matchup between the New England Patriots and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
• Discussion Points:
  • The Patriots' offensive prowess vs. their struggling defense.
  • Buccaneers' potential to exploit the Patriots' defensive weaknesses.
  • Fantasy implications for key players like Mike Gillislee.
• Notable Quotes:
  Marshall Falk (29:16): "This week's a 55 and a half point over under... I'm taking Tampa at home."

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Conclusion

The episode wraps up with final thoughts on player strategies, the upcoming Thursday night game, and a reminder of the Fantasy Footballers community activities, including giveaways and live drafts. Hosts also tease their upcoming absence as one of them travels to Disneyland, ensuring listeners are engaged and informed for the following week's show.

Notable Final Quote:
Marshall Falk (51:00): "Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for following the show and hopefully we see [e-mail] until further ado."

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Key Takeaways

• Strategic Roster Management: Regular evaluation through "Keep/Trade/Cut" and "Pump the Brakes" segments is essential for maximizing weekly performance.
• Ethical Trading: Maintaining fairness and avoiding collusion in trades preserves league integrity.
• Injury Vigilance: Staying updated on player injuries and status can significantly impact fantasy decisions.
• Matchup Analysis: Understanding team strengths and weaknesses helps in making informed lineup choices.

For more insights and rankings, visit thefantasyfootballers.com and join their vibrant fantasy football community.

Transcript

[Marshall Falk]

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[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from the Play Draft Studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Marshall Falk]

Welcome in.

[Andy Holloway]

Hope your waivers went well.

[Jason Moore]

Ah, yes we do.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes we do. Hey, waiver day. Hey, Andy.

[Jason Moore]

I'm just gonna agree with everything today.

[Marshall Falk]

Got a great showed.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike agrees, of course.

[Jason Moore]

It's gonna be fantastic.

[Marshall Falk]

Got pumped the brakes on the show today.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Marshall Falk]

We've got mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, mailbag. Yeah, got that.

[Marshall Falk]

Keep, trade, cut. Oh my goodness, I would cut you right now.

[Jason Moore]

Keep, trade, cut.

[Marshall Falk]

I'd set you free.

[Jason Moore]

We got that.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to trade him. He's got great value.

[Marshall Falk]

Does he?

[Andy Holloway]

The fantasy hitman? With a nickname like that, have you.

[Marshall Falk]

Seen his record in league of record?

[Andy Holloway]

Ooh.

[Marshall Falk]

Are you sure the value is there? Sometimes you got to just cut ties. We talked about this on the show yesterday.

[Jason Moore]

Why you got to punch me right in the privates? That is your words of shame.

[Marshall Falk]

Well, yeah. Your dynasty team is unstoppable.

[Andy Holloway]

Your team is actually fine. It's just your matchups. You keep going up against the highest score.

[Marshall Falk]

And that's why it's a good reminder for people that we are not exempt from the perils of fantasy football. Which is, look, sometimes you score a lot of points and the person you play against scores more. I mean, that just. It's not fair, man.

[Jason Moore]

And sometimes you spend all Sunday just tilting and then finish the day covered in your vomit.

[Andy Holloway]

Just a normal.

[Jason Moore]

You guys haven't done that for four weeks straight.

[Marshall Falk]

For you it's the last two. See, the thing with Mike, before we get into the show, the thing with Mike is that he tries to like you. You go through a kind of process. If you have a tilt week where you need to eat something terrible, as, you know, self medicating a burger or.

[Jason Moore]

Like a double burger, self comforting. Okay, let me know everything's okay.

[Marshall Falk]

But you said last week things started so poorly on Sunday morning that you, you almost like just pre ordered it, right?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah, but I mean, that was the week where by halftime of the morning games, well, I've lost.

[Marshall Falk]

Things are going poorly.

[Jason Moore]

I've lost. And I have about eight more hours of football to endure.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, then, Mike, I hope your waivers went well.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you, people.

[Marshall Falk]

Don't people underestimate the fact that since we're analysts and we have to watch every game and we have to have to.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Marshall Falk]

Like, we get to watch every game. But it is. If your team is going terribly, it is now torture to watch your opponent destroy you all day long. So, hey, if you want to follow the show, you can do so on Twitter at the Ffballers. You can subscribe to the show on YouTube, on iTunes. We are everywhere on your favorite Android podcast app. And you know, Google Play, iHeartRadio, Spotify. You can tune in all year round.

[Jason Moore]

Speaking of tune in, we're on there too.

[Marshall Falk]

We are on tune in as well. The website's thefantasyfootballers.com and like I said in the intro, the community has joined the Foot.com we appreciate everyone's support of this independent podcast. You guys are what makes it go. So quick reminder, by the way, Foot Clan giveaway dot com. We have a giveaway ending on Friday the 13th of October. Yeah, it's a Mike Evans jersey, right? And Jordan Reed. And a Jordan Reed jersey.

[Jason Moore]

Giving away Jordan Reeds.

[Marshall Falk]

Oh, yeah, they're autographed too. They're not just the jersey. They wrote their name on it with a marker.

[Jason Moore]

Giving away Reed stuff on Friday the 13th is.

[Marshall Falk]

That's the only way to solve problems.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe we will uncurse him.

[Marshall Falk]

That is the reverse curse for Jordan Reed. I'll pick him up on my team on Friday the 13th and then we'll anti reap him.

[Jason Moore]

Oh.

[Marshall Falk]

So, okay, listen, on Wednesday we get.

[Andy Holloway]

It started with oh, oh, oh, O'Reilly, O'Reilly Auto Parts.

[Marshall Falk]

That was. That was maybe the best yet. Pump the brakes with O'Reilly Auto Parts. Our segment every Wednesday where we are pumping the brakes on a player that maybe had a really big week last week. And we're saying, hey, hold your horses, chill out. And I'm going to go with Tyrell Williams this week. I'm pumping the brakes on Tyrell Williams. He had 22 fantasy points last week. And look, this is a touchdown or bust player. And you need to recognize that as a fantasy owner. It's not to say he cannot get it done. It's to say that he has not for three of his four weeks. Last week, he had the long touchdown, and this week he takes on the Giants. And the Giants, despite Eli Apple's struggles, have given up the fifth lowest amount of points to fantasy wide receivers. That makes Tyrell Williams a very boomer bust candidate for me. And so if you need that spot start, if you've got the waiver wire guy, I get it. I know why you're signing him. But I'm saying pump the brakes on Tyrell. He's not a week in, week out guy.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm pumping the brakes on another guy who had a monster performance last week, Cam Newton. He's back. Cam is healthy.

[Jason Moore]

That's what I hear.

[Andy Holloway]

He's strong. He's. I mean, he put up 42 fantasy points in our scoring system against the awesome New England Patriots. The problem is the New England Patriots defense this year has been not close to the worst in the league. It's been the worst in the league for fantasy purposes.

[Jason Moore]

None closer.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there is. I mean, they're just everyone. You. You get five touchdowns, and you get five touchdowns. It's like giving away touchdowns to the other team. Cam Newton had. The New Orleans Saints played Buffalo, which was a good defense, and The San Francisco 49ers, obviously not a good defense, had not had really yet to get anything done. Now, this is a risky one, right, because Cam does always have the potential to blow up. Here he is, you know, because he can rush for two touchdowns on the ground any game, you know, and it could happen. He's going on the road to Detroit this week. I just. I'm thinking that last week was more of the outlier for this season. That's not to say you couldn't start him. I think that he, you know, he might be fine, but you can't expect Cam to be. This camp, don't go trade for Cam saying, oh, Cam's back. He's. He's going to be, you know, the 2015 number one or top five quarterback rest of the way. Pump those breaks.

[Marshall Falk]

I would just to add to that, I mean, Detroit's the number one defense in fantasy right now, and they're at home.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they're the fifth best against the quarterback. As far as fantasy points given up against that position.

[Marshall Falk]

If Cam blows up this week and throws that in your face as you pump the brakes on him, are you a believer at that point? Because he went on the road, does it against Detroit, a top defense?

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, yeah, if he did that, I would certainly pick him up. I believe he's got the New Orleans Saints the week after. So maybe a little bit of payback from earlier in the season.

[Marshall Falk]

Sure. All right.

[Jason Moore]

I'm doing something that has never been done before. I'm pumping.

[Marshall Falk]

Cutting your beard.

[Jason Moore]

I am pumping. No, what do you. I keep this thing trimmed. I keep it tight. I keep it right, my friend.

[Marshall Falk]

I know.

[Jason Moore]

I am pumping the brakes on an entire game.

[Andy Holloway]

He's just going bigger and bigger.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Next week he's gonna. It's week six.

[Jason Moore]

Shutting down the week the afc. So Baltimore gets to play the Oakland Raiders. And I'm just not excited, really, for anyone in this game. The Baltimore Ravens are second to last in the league with 570 passing yards.

[Marshall Falk]

On the season.

[Jason Moore]

On the season, the only team worse than Baltimore would be the Miami Dolphins with 548. Granted, that's in one fewer game than the Baltimore Ravens. Meanwhile, you have the Oakland Raiders, who have 345 rushing yards on the. On the year. That puts them at 24th. There's just. There is nothing good going on here. You have. EJ Manual will be replacing Derek Carr. Michael Crabtree. Status is up in the air. Who's the running back for the Baltimore Ravens?

[Andy Holloway]

You're saying you don't want anything to do with that.

[Jason Moore]

I want nothing to do with this game. And I. Look, I get it. You have Amari Cooper. You got to play him. Except Baltimore has a great secondary. I am terrified to play anyone who has anything to do with the Baltimore Oakland game.

[Marshall Falk]

Do the Raiders miss Latavius Murray?

[Jason Moore]

No. No. I've seen Latavius Murray this year.

[Andy Holloway]

Honestly, I think that they need to get lynch more involved.

[Marshall Falk]

But lynch is not as capable as Murray was in the passing game. I wonder if that's what they miss. Or it could be all the other disastrous things that happened to their team this year. All right, that was pump the brakes with O'Reilly Auto Parts. Better parts, better prices every day. Tyrell Williams, Cam Newton, and the entire Ravens Raiders game. I don't blame you, though. So let's get into the news.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league.

[Marshall Falk]

Look, a lot is.

[Jason Moore]

So the over under on that game is 39.

[Marshall Falk]

Oh, man.

[Andy Holloway]

39. Even.

[Jason Moore]

They're giving that game 39.

[Marshall Falk]

I'll take the under.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would take the under as well.

[Marshall Falk]

A lot of fantasy relevant news in Green Bay right now because you have Devonte Adams injury, you have Jamal Williams injury, you have Ty Montgomery's injury, and you don't know basically who's going to play and who's not. Going to play. Now, Adam Schefter came out and said that he believes Devonte Adams is going to suit up this week after that crushing hit. He says he thinks he plays.

[Jason Moore]

Everything that was reported about Green Bay and we're talking beat reporters, we're talking national reporters, has completely 180. You had Devonte Adams with the devastating hit look like he's guaranteed to be out at least a week, if not multiple weeks. You had Ty Montgomery leave the game with reportedly broken ribs. He's broken ribs and they're like, oh, well, he, he might be able to play next week. Then you had Jamal Williams leave that game with a knee injury and that was reported immediately. Williams is going to be out multiple weeks. Now you have everyone's healthy. Montgomery, he was like, well, maybe he won't play. No, Williams is saying, well, I'm good to go. I'm going to play. What is.

[Marshall Falk]

When I saw the Jamal news, I adjusted my Aaron Jones bids. I mean, I, I had heard yesterday from you, I think that you thought Williams had no chance of going.

[Jason Moore]

So that's what they said. Multiple weeks for Jamal Williams.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah, I still. They made multiple days time. Montgomery will play. I think if he does play, it's bad news for everyone involved. I'm not sure I would want to start time Montgomery, but you might have to. If he starts, you're just going to have to keep watching. What's the practice report look like on Thursday? On Friday, that's going to give you the clear syndication.

[Jason Moore]

And the thing is, I initially thought, you know, I'm going to go adjust my Aaron Jones bids. I'm going to pull them down because it seemed like a one week rental at most. Then I just let him ride because I believe in what I saw with Aaron Jones. Jamal Williams is.

[Marshall Falk]

What about Geronimo Allison and your thoughts of him having a one week start with potentially missing?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I mean, I wasn't aggressively going after Allison. He was just going to be a spot start at the wide receiver. And there's other guys, but. So I'm still personally being aggressive on Aaron Jones.

[Marshall Falk]

All right. Marcus Mariota, he's banged up. The Titans signed Brandon Wheaton to a one year deal. Is this indicative of Mariota likely to miss and does that make, you know, their opponent in week number five attractive on the defensive side? Miami at home against Tennessee, possibly without Mariota.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Marshall Falk]

Okay. All right. I mean that, that's what I would say too. Jets have released will tie. That escalated quickly. He went from 22 snaps to inactive to released asj getting it done.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's huge.

[Marshall Falk]

Confidence level of asj is there. And then for those following Josh Gordon's life, not applied for reinstatement. He did just get out of rehab. The Browns have been kind of ambiguous about what they would even do with Gordon if he was reinstated, so nothing new there. And then Josh Dachshund, he hurt his shoulder, but this is a bye week for the Redskins, so we'll have more news on Dachshund and Kelly's availability as we approach week six.

[Andy Holloway]

They say he hurt his shoulder on that last catch. Right. That failed.

[Marshall Falk]

I wouldn't call it a catch.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, right. That failed attempt at a catch. I feel like that's one of those things where he comes down, drops the ball and is like, ah.

[Marshall Falk]

Oh, you mean like shoulder. You mean like when P. Ryan got a bruised hand for his fumble?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my hands destroyed. It's broken into a thousand pieces.

[Marshall Falk]

That's the culture of fear that Jay Gruden has instilled is if you make a mistake, you have to pretend you're hurt on Washington in order to escape. Punish him up in order to not be grounded and not be able to call your friends on the phone.

[Jason Moore]

I did. I didn't do it.

[Marshall Falk]

I didn't do it. I was hurt, sir.

[Jason Moore]

It was the dog. The dog knocked over the vase.

[Marshall Falk]

Unbelievable. All right, we're getting into some keep trade, cut.

[Andy Holloway]

Keep, trade, cut.

[Marshall Falk]

All right. Keep, trade, cut. I think we said this yesterday, but confirm it. Terrence West. I'm cutting him.

[Jason Moore]

I'm cutting him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's a package trade cut guy.

[Marshall Falk]

But I don't know what that means.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know what you said.

[Andy Holloway]

There are certain guys, you know, that you're going to cut, and you don't even need to explore package trading them because no one would ever pay any attention.

[Jason Moore]

That's Terrence West.

[Andy Holloway]

See, I think Terrence West. I think you might be able to get somebody in a package trade to. You know, you always talk about when you trade, you want a running back back.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So maybe he's the running back you give back to someone to just make them feel better about.

[Jason Moore]

It's also very possible that you look down at your watch and go, I will never get those two hours of my life back.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

Trying to trade Terrence West.

[Marshall Falk]

All right, what about the other backfield mate there, Javorius Allen? Had the big, big week and then he's not been great. What do you do with Javorius Allen right now? Keep him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. You hold him I mean he's got three weeks in a row with five receptions or more. He hasn't been great, but the Baltimore offense hasn't been great. He's still an involved running back. You got to hold him.

[Jason Moore]

I think I would try to trade him because while he's, he's going to get the targets he's at, he's, he's rocking the mark of the beast right now with targets the past three weeks. So. But he's not going to get carries. He got two this past week against Pittsburgh. It, I mean, the way that they use him, they just, they don't want to. That's, that's certainly what it feels like.

[Andy Holloway]

That they don't want to use Buck Allen.

[Marshall Falk]

Well, that offense is terrible.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I can buy a big problem.

[Marshall Falk]

If you got 40 something yards passing through the first half of these games. That's an issue. Brandon Cooks, New England Patriots wide receiver keep, trade, cut. Brandon Cooks had a big week two weeks ago. Has the ability to disappear like a magician.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's Houdini.

[Marshall Falk]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

But I mean how, man, how pissed are you if you draft a Brandon Cooks in the second round and then you watched Chris Hogan get drafted, what, eighth, ninth round after the, after things shook up in the draft.

[Marshall Falk]

He's a keep for me.

[Andy Holloway]

He's definitely a keep for me because.

[Marshall Falk]

Tampa Jets, Atlanta, next three weeks, Chargers.

[Andy Holloway]

He. Here's the thing that you know about Brandon Cooks. He has monster blow up games he did two weeks ago. He will this week or next week. I'm not trading him unless it's off of the week where he has a monster week because that's when you're going to get the most value for him. Last week he had five points and you know, so you're trading him low right now.

[Marshall Falk]

You hold Brooks. The matchups that you have in here on the dock, are they going through week 16 or 17? 17. They are going through 17. Okay. I wanted to be able to glance at kind of end of season schedules for some of these guys as well. Keep, trade, cut. Alex Smith, yesterday on the show we asked the question, was he in every week start? I think we all agreed he was. I think that means what I think that means.

[Andy Holloway]

Trade.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Whenever you can trade a quarterback for a running back or a wide receiver, you know, I was able to convert Cam Newton off of his monster week into Mark Ingram coming up on his buy. But I just couldn't pass that up because if you can, if you could, if you could trade Alex Smith for a serviceable running back or you know, a good wide receiver, I would do it.

[Marshall Falk]

All right. What about Jaquiz Rogers Thursday night? I'm starting to bend myself a little bit more towards the thought that Martin's going to take over and take over quick. He was reinstated to the active roster yesterday.

[Andy Holloway]

You trade him to the Doug Martin owner.

[Jason Moore]

But let's say the Doug Martin owner is not biting. Are you going to hold him knowing that he's not?

[Marshall Falk]

I'm in that situation. He doesn't want him and I. I'm going to give him a week. That's my policy. I'm going to keep him for a week, make sure something doesn't go sideways with Doug Martin this week, and then I'm going to let him go, probably.

[Jason Moore]

Because if I'm the Doug Martin owner, I mean, I'm calling that bluff on the Jacquist Rogers owner. Yeah, okay. Whatever, man.

[Marshall Falk]

It is a tough. It's a tough situation.

[Jason Moore]

Do what you got to do.

[Marshall Falk]

You're going to cut him, but you might not. You can go. You can play that game wrong. If you're the Doug Martin owner and it's a 50, 50 split this week, that Doug Martin owner might be really interested.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

So, yeah, I'm just saying I'm not trying to buy Jaquiz Rogers right now.

[Marshall Falk]

You're going to wait?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Marshall Falk]

All right. Keep, trade, cut. Let's go. What do you do with Kareem Hunt's current pace? I know it seems like a weird guy to bring up, but he's on fire. Like he's. People talk about 2,000 yards. People talk about 2,000 plus all purpose yards. Kareem Hunt, if you are hurting at running back, is this a player that you can go leverage for? I don't know. Would you trade him for. Would you trade him for DeMarco Murray and Melvin Gordon?

[Jason Moore]

It's going to. I was going to say if you're doing a two for mean, you're going to have to buy low on guys.

[Marshall Falk]

But that's so frightening. I would like Melvin Gordon.

[Andy Holloway]

You would not do that?

[Jason Moore]

No, I would not. I would keep Cream Hunt because he's.

[Marshall Falk]

A keep for me too. I don't think so.

[Andy Holloway]

You're saying if you were offered Melvin.

[Marshall Falk]

Gordon, DeMarco Murray, I'm keeping Kareem Hunt in that situation because there's no risk.

[Jason Moore]

There's no risk with Kareem Hunt. He's awesome and he's going to be great for the rest of the year. Meanwhile, DeMarco Murray is getting off to a really slow. I know he had the 70 yard touchdown where everyone escorted him into the end zone. But besides that, he's done very little. Melvin Gordon has. He's dealing with the knee injury. He's shown at times that he can vanish if he's not getting a touchdown. You're looking at guys like that, like, like Gordon Ajayi. Would you trade Cream Hunt for those two guys for Gordon?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, see, I still would.

[Jason Moore]

I still would not.

[Andy Holloway]

I would in both those situations if you don't have others. But it is worth noting, what you guys are saying is there are very, very, very few fantasy football players out there that are difference makers, that are like having two players in one spot. The guys that will have a high floor but can erupt for 40 points and win you a week. You know, your Antonio Browns and Gronks and Love Bells. Kareem Hunt is one of those guys. And it takes a knock me off.

[Jason Moore]

My feet offer to get, I mean, in half points. PPR, you have two running backs. Over 100 points, you have Todd Gurley and Cream Hunt. Third, you got Leonard Frenette with 71 points.

[Andy Holloway]

Right?

[Jason Moore]

Like while you're. Oh, I'm getting two guys right now. Kareem Hunt and Todd Gurley are playing like two players in one roster. So I'm not taking the chance on that.

[Marshall Falk]

I have a couple of other questions I want to get into. Some interesting ones based kind of around let's say Your team is 1 and 3 or oh, and 4 and some philosophical questions there. Before we do that, though, I do want to thank our sponsor for today's show, Sea Geek Look. We love the Sea Geek app. Look, you can buy and sell tickets in just two taps.

[Jason Moore]

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[Marshall Falk]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Marshall Falk]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Marshall Falk]

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[Andy Holloway]

Cinnamon spice.

[Marshall Falk]

You don't. Yeah, you don't need to. Just don't wait for an apology to get flowers. No, that's not a good situation. All right, here's my question for you. And I'm transitioning from keep trade cut. We're going to preview the Thursday night game. We're going to get into the mailbag and I have some, I think some really interesting topics. I'm going to ask you guys this one. I think that if you're a 1 in 3 team and you're or an 0 and 4 team right now, first.

[Jason Moore]

Of all, I don't know what that's like, right.

[Marshall Falk]

Just this is hypothetical.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you.

[Marshall Falk]

I don't want to. I know it's hard for you to put yourself in that position if you're one of those teams. Let's say you got Michael Thomas, let's see, got Julio Jones. Right. Both of those players, premier talents, guys you wanted on your roster, league winning type of players. And yet they have bye weeks this week and you're sitting 1, 3 or 0 and 4 is this the time to move them, to change something on your roster? What is your philosophy when you're sitting there? Because, Mike, I hate to say it, you're dominating one league and you have had some bad breaks in league of records and you've had to make the decision the last two weeks. Do I change something? Do I sell? Do I stick with my roster? How do fantasy owners make that decision? Because I'm getting tons of Twitter comments and all the Twitter comments say tilting, tilting, tilting. Do I trade in the tilt? Because I think my philosophy with a guy like Julio is you got a hip injury, he's got a big name, and you got a bye week. I'd be trying to make a move so I can get a win this week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Honestly, of those two, I would be looking to move Julio if I'm trying to do a twofer upgrade. And yeah, we talk about on the show, you want, you want the best player in a trade, but if your roster is really lacking and you, you're not going to have Julio Jones this week anyhow, sometimes you got to make that move. You got to suck it up and trade Michael Thomas. I don't want to trade.

[Andy Holloway]

He's just been so.

[Jason Moore]

He's great. And you know who else has been great?

[Andy Holloway]

Drew Brees.

[Marshall Falk]

Zero turnovers.

[Jason Moore]

This Drew Brees is. Normally you're like, oh, he's going to be great.

[Andy Holloway]

But he's.

[Jason Moore]

I know he's going to throw a bunch of interceptions and all this stuff, but he's been fantastic. And Michael Thomas is the go to guy. So I, I still want to hold on to Michael Thomas, but if I can flip Julio Jones and I'm one of those, oh, for four teams, which I know nothing about, then I'm certainly willing to do it. And on the other side of that, If I'm a 3 and 1, 4 and O team, I'm going to go try and get Julio Jones from those, from those rosters because it's not a. I don't believe in Julio Jones moving forward. It just is. There's, There's.

[Andy Holloway]

You've got to play your record. You have to play accordingly. And if you need to manufacture wins, then you do that, whether it's on the waiver wire or trades or things like that. You know, one of the things that if you want to get real sneaky with is you can look at your next week matchup, not this week. Look at who you play next week, see if you got any guys on by that you can trade to him, you know, to your Opponent to your opponent to where you are going to make a nice trade that maybe helps your team out and oh, oh, you play me next week and you don't have this guy. That's such a shame. You know sometimes you can, you can look deep, stuff like that.

[Marshall Falk]

Yeah, no, it's a good thought.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's preview now real quick before we preview, before we get out of the keep trade question, I have one more guy I want to bring up to you too. The reason I want to bring him up is because I have him, I love him and I have flip flopped back and forth this week so many times in my mind as to whether I have been so sure he is a must trade guy this week and I have been so sure that you must absolutely hold on to him right now. It's finally happened. So I need your guys help.

[Marshall Falk]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Lamar Miller. What do you do with Lamar Miller who has finally had a big blow up game? Do you utilize it and trade it with the odds of Foreman there or do you go wow, this new offense, the new, you know, the read options that we've been looking at. I mean now you see my dilemma.

[Jason Moore]

No, it's tough. I totally understand. What if you're buying into desean Watson and it's at this point it's hard to not buy into what Watson is doing on the field the past couple weeks. Lamar Miller is going to be a huge benefactor and he's the pass catching running back. Foreman, I know he's had these huge plays in the passing game but that's not, that's not his real skill set. Lamar Miller is that guy. So. Oh man, I don't think I try to trade him. I don't think you, I don't think that the one big game for Lamar Miller has boosted his value enough in the eyes of the majority fantasy players that you will get something special back. So I would be holding Lamar Miller.

[Marshall Falk]

Interesting.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean that really is what it comes down to is do other people believe enough to pay up for him? Because if I can have someone pay.

[Marshall Falk]

Up for him, I think they're, I think that'll vary league to league for sure.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's say right now because Jason, you love Melvin Gordon, you could move.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh God, I would do it in a heartbeat. Lamar Miller plus another little piece.

[Jason Moore]

That's.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. For Melvin Gordon. Yes.

[Marshall Falk]

Melvin Gordon complaining about his touches today.

[Andy Holloway]

I love that, love that. Be squeaky. Be a squeaky wheel out there. Melvin Gordon, be squeaky.

[Marshall Falk]

You'd be a good coach.

[Jason Moore]

His knee is squeaky.

[Marshall Falk]

Hey, that's not nice. All right, Thursday night. Really looking forward to this Thursday night game. Mostly because the Patriots can't play defense, but they can play offense. So I'm expecting, look, this is a 55 and a half point over under between the Patriots and the Buccaneers. This game's in Tampa. And look, I mean, let's just get it going early.

[Andy Holloway]

Andy's almost upset of the week.

[Marshall Falk]

You're gonna give me, you're gonna give me five and a half points at home against that Patriots defense. I'll take it. Give me Tampa at home.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, the patriots falling to below.500.

[Marshall Falk]

That is. I was thinking about this earlier. No matter what happens to the Patriots, it's entertaining to me. I realize this. If they win and they win a lot, it very entertaining. I love seeing dominance. I love seeing Belichick Brady the final few years with them. That's great. If they lose, it's like, you know, it's like the king has died.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, it's just Joffrey has.

[Marshall Falk]

Yeah. I mean, you're just curious about everything else that will happen in the NFL. It's like the dominion is over.

[Andy Holloway]

You just put Joffrey on the, on the Patriots. I'm sure you made some people happy, but that's. Patriots aren't Joffrey.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, yes, they very much are.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

In football, you know who's happy? The people who like the Patriots. Everyone else in the entire United States, nay, the world, hates the Patriots because they're dominant. They. They have earned that right.

[Marshall Falk]

Here's a problem. It's one we foresaw a long time ago, maybe thought we had overcome. But Mike Gillisle not getting goal line work last week with, I mean, Dion Lewis almost had two 10 zone touchdowns last week. Deion Lewis, Yeah. You have Burkhead, who hasn't even been active for two weeks. You have James White with 10 receptions. Mike Gillispie. Right now people are pulling their hair out because they're trying to start him as an every week start. He's not delivering. You're one of those guys.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Marshall Falk]

You might have a couple more W's in league of record if Gillisley had delivered like week one and two. What in the world do you do with Gillis and is he a must start in this matchup where the Buccaneers are the fifth rank rundy.

[Jason Moore]

He's still a must start for me. I know it.

[Marshall Falk]

Would you start him or Wendell Smallwood against Arizona?

[Jason Moore]

Gillisley for sure.

[Marshall Falk]

Okay. Would you start him? Would you start James White.

[Jason Moore]

If it's a half point or more. I might go to James White. I mean, the thing is he's still getting on the field. He's, he's still been getting on the field for those goal line carries. He got stuffed on his, on his one this past week. But the Patriots have also been using shenanigans down at the, at the line. And I think that a lot of that has to do with teams have seen how great Mike Gillisle is at the goal line job. So they've, they've pivoted at the way that the Patriots would. So I'm still buying into Gillislee as an every week starter.

[Marshall Falk]

What about you, Jay?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I do as well. I mean, look, if you can't play defense and you can play offense, that means there's going to be a ton of points scored. And whenever the Patriots are flying down the field, they're going to have goal line opportunities.

[Jason Moore]

What you don't get is what you were hoping for is Mike Gillislee is killing the clock, just getting, getting the ball 25 times because the Patriots are dominating the way that they used to in the past.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Marshall Falk]

The problem is the Patriots aren't that team right now.

[Jason Moore]

And that's what I'm saying. That's the big problem with Gillislee.

[Andy Holloway]

Will the Patriots be able to fix their defense? Because I believe they will. I believe when we're in week 10, 11, 12, we're not going to be saying, oh, this guy's playing the Patriots, you've got to play him.

[Marshall Falk]

But I don't know if you can go from basement to top 10.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

We saw this.

[Andy Holloway]

They went from top five to basement pretty easy with.

[Marshall Falk]

Well, that's a lot easier to do. And it's not all the same cast.

[Jason Moore]

We've seen that happen, though. I don't remember if it was last year or two years ago.

[Andy Holloway]

The Kansas City Chiefs, Texans have done that recently, but the Chiefs did that.

[Marshall Falk]

On the back of getting healthier and getting more players back. I'm not saying that Belichick can't do it. I just don't think you're going to go from 30 to 6. I think you're going to. I think the peak here is maybe you're a 10 to 10 to 15 team. If things turn the right way and so I can they get it fixed? Maybe. But that's, I don't want to wait on Gillisley for that.

[Jason Moore]

But the page. Yeah, you're playing Tampa Bay. There's a waiting game, but the Patriots has a top 10 to 15 passing defense. That's all you need.

[Andy Holloway]

So do you try to. Andy, do you try to trade Gillisley then if you have him?

[Marshall Falk]

Do you try to trade Gillisley if you have him? If I am a, if I'm a winning team, if I have a 3 and 140 record, the answer is no. I look forward to him facing Miami, Buffalo, Miami towards the end of the year and having those matchups that they should be well out ahead of because those offenses can't get it done. If I'm desperate to make a move right now because I need to change things, I don't know what you're going to get the next few weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Now, speaking of, we mentioned trying to manufacture, try to buy a win. I tried to do that in our league of record with what I thought was a sizable bid for a waiver wire quarterback because Winston James. Winston was on our waiver wire and Kirk Cousins is my quarterback. He's on a bye week. So I tried to buy Jameis for 11 bucks. So 11% of my budget for a one week quarterback rental, I was outbid.

[Andy Holloway]

You were almost doubled because that's, that's.

[Jason Moore]

Where the pitch are and I'm super frustrated right now.

[Marshall Falk]

Yeah, Jameis, that has an incredible matchup and you tried to spend but not enough.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, unfortunately, the guy that picked him up is my opponent. That sucks.

[Jason Moore]

Go Patriots defense.

[Marshall Falk]

Now that's funny right there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Marshall Falk]

All right. What other fantasy questions are we looking at in this matchup? Are you starting Amendola? Are you starting?

[Jason Moore]

You're starting every starting everybody.

[Marshall Falk]

Let me, let me throw a little deep league sleeper play out there that I think is great. I've actually tried to pick him up in two leagues.

[Jason Moore]

I hope it's pronounced.

[Marshall Falk]

It's pronounced with an umphreys. Adam Humphreys, six receptions in each of the last two weeks. Facing a New England defense ranked 32nd against the pass. And Humphreys is in the trust circle for Jameis Winston.

[Andy Holloway]

Funny to think you might be better off starting an Adam Humphries versus an Amari Cooper.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, depending on what you need, I.

[Marshall Falk]

Would definitely do that.

[Jason Moore]

And a shout out to.

[Marshall Falk]

It's crazy.

[Jason Moore]

One of our writers, Nate Hamilton, he had pinged me this morning. He was like, hey, my guys. Like, Humphreys is very much on his radar. He says he's been targeted 17 times with 12 receptions for 138 yards the last two weeks. He's like. So we, I mean, we got to make sure that people have him on the radar. So I'm glad that Andy brought him up. Brought him up, brewed him up. Because I would have done it if you didn't.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm basically starting everybody on both sides of the ball. I'm not going to start to quiz. I'm not going to start.

[Marshall Falk]

You starting D Jacks.

[Andy Holloway]

I would start dj. I'm not starting Charles Sims. I am starting Doug Martin if I've got him.

[Marshall Falk]

That's a good.

[Jason Moore]

That's. That's bold, Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

No, but there's a lot of people saying I'm going to wait a week to see what happens.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm saying don't do that.

[Jason Moore]

There's no way I drafted a suspended player and wait four weeks back. Well, I got to see what I got.

[Marshall Falk]

You're going to give him an extra week?

[Jason Moore]

No, he's getting in there. You know who else is getting in there? Cameron Brait.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

He is a great streaming tight end option this week.

[Marshall Falk]

Light him up, man. I'm taking. Do you take the over 55 and a half?

[Jason Moore]

I hope so.

[Marshall Falk]

You know, the Patriots are going to score. That's a foregone conclusion. So it's just a matter of on a short week. Are they going to stop Jameis, who just put up a monster week?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think. I think you go over here.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Marshall Falk]

All right. It's mailbag time.

[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag. Mailbag.

[Marshall Falk]

I have some of the Thursday night excitement built in.

[Jason Moore]

I never know where it's gonna go. I just. I let the mailbag lead me.

[Marshall Falk]

Oh, well done. I. I am so looking forward to next week when I'm on. I'm on a buy and you guys are running the show. And if you don't know that this is gonna be. It's gonna be.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, Daddy's gone. The show.

[Jason Moore]

Hour episodes every.

[Marshall Falk]

Oh, hey, Brooks, can you just do your best, buddy?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, we're locking the door. Brooks isn't even allowed in.

[Marshall Falk]

Oh, my God.

[Andy Holloway]

Just gonna get crazy in here.

[Marshall Falk]

Episodes not even being produced.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't go to YouTube next week, we might be shirtless. I mean, haven't bathed or shaved in days.

[Marshall Falk]

I'm going to be in California with the family. We're going to take a week and travel up to Disneyland. So I will be returning happier and fatter.

[Jason Moore]

Nice.

[Marshall Falk]

Churro filled. And you guys will do. Whatever you do, I'll try to ignore it. All right, this question, our first mailbag question, by the way, you can go to the website, the fancyfootballers.com, click the submit a question button, or dial our voicemail hotline at 302-464-TFFB. This question just came in via text. I've got Jeff Kingman, one of the radio guys on a network that I've jumped on before. He sent me an ethical question and I love this question. It's a quick question. Candidate is it ethical to do a trade for a week with the agreement that you'll be getting the player back the following week? Because basically a rental player situation. Player A needs Matt Stafford for one week, so player B will give him Frank Gore for a week and then they're going to swap it back the next week.

[Andy Holloway]

If both teams are improved both weeks, meaning it's, hey, this makes sense for me to do this trade this week. I think that then it can be an ethical move. But you obviously, you have to only do one trade at a time because if one of those guys gets injured, you can't have the first trade contingent on the second one. The second one has to be next week.

[Marshall Falk]

He said people in his league are very upset and I am with him. I think it is wrong. I think it is the, it is basically collusion because you are working with another team to an end. That is not selfish. Your trades need to be selfish.

[Jason Moore]

But usually when your code, the, the idea of all these teams are colluding, it's. They're trying to prop up one team. So Jason's point of that's where both.

[Andy Holloway]

Teams have to succeed. If one team is going, I'm okay losing this guy this week if I get that guy next week. And so it's like, I get better next week because you get better this week, that's absolutely not okay. That's colluding. But if, if it's one of those things where, hey, this makes my team better and this makes your team better, you know what that's called? It's called a trade. And then the next week, if it's like, hey, undoing that makes my team better, makes your team better.

[Marshall Falk]

If you want to do something like this, why are you making a big deal out of it? I mean, just trade the players.

[Jason Moore]

You got a cloak and dagger this.

[Marshall Falk]

And then the next week make another trade.

[Andy Holloway]

But here's the, here's the reality.

[Marshall Falk]

But people will get real mad.

[Andy Holloway]

Then they probably couldn't do it because it probably is an unethical trade. We don't have the exact trade down. But my guess is they had to explain why this trade is okay because next week we're going to undo it or whatever, in which case that would Be.

[Marshall Falk]

We just said Matthew Stafford for one week for Frank Gore. Somebody needs Stafford this week. Somebody needs.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

That trade is fair.

[Marshall Falk]

Can I ask you guys a question? Yes. Brooks. Yes, Judge.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you.

[Marshall Falk]

Do you just avoid anything like this.

[Andy Holloway]

In general just because it's, it's messy? Yeah. What if one. One of those players gets injured the first week? Yeah. Then. Then you are stuck with them.

[Marshall Falk]

Mike said it best with his very eloquent summation. It stinks. It just doesn't smell right. So, Judge, are you on that side? Can you bang that gavel? Can you declare this trade ethical or unethical? Unethical. Unethical. Now what you heard there was completely authentic gavel banging. This is not pre recorded. We didn't go to a special effects studio for this. Somebody, a Foot Clan member, sent Judge Giamatti an engraved gavel and he has it now and he looked very uncomfortable using it.

[Andy Holloway]

That was his first time. I wasn't.

[Marshall Falk]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me, let me shot two.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Marshall Falk]

It's better. Is it gavel bang normally. Triple three. One more time, bro.

[Andy Holloway]

Just failing left, right and center here.

[Marshall Falk]

I'm a real judge. I'm a real judge. He said.

[Jason Moore]

Now we can rule. And while it stinks, I would allow it.

[Andy Holloway]

You're saying.

[Marshall Falk]

Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

You're saying you wouldn't veto it because it's not inherently collusion.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

If both teams are getting better, it stinks.

[Jason Moore]

And you would look at both trades.

[Marshall Falk]

You would look at the trade independent of itself. So the first trade.

[Jason Moore]

But here's the thing, because I've heard.

[Marshall Falk]

It cannot be a typed up contingency.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

It can't be. You cannot do. This is the thing. You cannot say this is a two week trade. You can't. That's collusion. But where you're saying, okay, if this guy gets injured, I still get him back. No, no, no, no, no.

[Jason Moore]

And here's the thing is the trade itself is fair. And I've heard of people doing this for it. Just like the trade is very, very lopsided. And while I don't veto trades knowing that this is a rental for an un. Very unbalanced trade to start with. Like, that's.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Because I might try and put a stink up about that. But this is Stafford for Gore.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Marshall Falk]

And they're both going to use the players as opposed to. There might be another scenario where Stafford's the second quarterback. So you send Stafford for nothing just to get him back the next week. Basically, that would be a problem. All right, let's go to a voicemail. Question. Hey, ballers. Much love from Joe. Quick start Question this week, would you prefer to go with Andy Dalton or Big Ben? Let me know what you think. Both are at home.

[Jason Moore]

Big.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to go Big Ben.

[Jason Moore]

It's against Jacksonville.

[Marshall Falk]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I had considered pumping the brakes on like Marty and Buffalo.

[Marshall Falk]

I mean, Dalton's against Buffalo.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean Dalton against Buffalo.

[Marshall Falk]

Over, under. Difference is 39 to 44.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I'm taking Big Ben at home. I trust him more than I trust Dalton. They both have difficult matchups, so go with the more talented guy.

[Marshall Falk]

I'm actually going to take Dalton.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Marshall Falk]

Yeah, I am. Dalton's on a. Dalton's on a roll right now. Since Bill Laser came along, he's been fine. And I don't know what Buffalo is entirely. I don't. You know, this week, man, that's. It's a tough one. But Jacksonville can be run on by Love Bell.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. And this week will be. It's going to be Antonio Brown versus Jalen Ramsey. And Jalen Ramsey is right now the best cornerback.

[Andy Holloway]

It's going to be the best wide receiver against best corner.

[Jason Moore]

So this is going to be a Exactly. Great matchup. I have Antonio Brown and I'm not happy he's playing. I need. I need to freaking.

[Marshall Falk]

Well, then you can. You can lean on Winston.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. At least I still have my fabric.

[Marshall Falk]

All right, Jesse. And Akron says Andrew Luck has a horrible schedule. After week 9, will he be the top 5 to 7 lock QB we have seen for the rest of the season? Love the podcast, udk. And we'll be getting the dfs. Oh, you guys are my FF ball heroes.

[Jason Moore]

Here's the thing about Andrew Luck. He's like Aaron Rodgers. You don't give a crap what the schedule says if Tom Brady's facing the toughest path. If Tom Brady's going into Seattle, you go, yeah, so what?

[Andy Holloway]

Who cares?

[Jason Moore]

Who cares? Because that's what you believe about their talent.

[Marshall Falk]

If you. Look, we talked about this at the end of last year. Andrew Luck, he's. He's matchup proof. He's game script proof. All of those things have proved over his career to be the case. So yes, I believe he is a 5 to 7 lock, if not better. If he's back, if he's healthy, this team's going to need him. The defense cannot do it. And he's getting Ryan Kelly back. Yeah. All right. Kyle Rudolph or Ben Watson? Oh, I'm sorry, this is a cut question from Chris in Missouri. Does he drop Kyle Rudolph for Ben Watson or Cameron Brait.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. I think that all three of those guys you just mentioned are weekly streaming options. None of those guys are worth rostering. Two tight ends so old. Busted. So you need to, you need to roll with whoever you like the matchup best this week. Roll with that human being on your, on your lineup. And I would usually when I am streaming, I'm going to also take into account maybe the second week and you know, if there's multiple with good two weeks in a row, then I'll look at the third week to kind of factor that in because if it's close and then the next week one of those guys is playing Cleveland, I'll go with that.

[Jason Moore]

I assume that this week it's Cameron Brait for you.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll be digging into whatever you think.

[Jason Moore]

It's Wednesday, so rankings come out a little bit later today.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, this one's, this one's tough. I assume it will be Brait.

[Marshall Falk]

Michael Dooley says, hey, Irish listener here.

[Jason Moore]

Bonjour.

[Marshall Falk]

Love the show. My question is, how many players from one team are you comfortable having on your team?

[Jason Moore]

So you're talking the stack and then the mega stack. Potential. Yeah.

[Marshall Falk]

Like Rogers, Ty, Monte and Jordy or Rogers, Jordy, Devonte Adams or.

[Andy Holloway]

That's where I think if you got a superstar offense, three is my cap.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would go with three as well.

[Marshall Falk]

Brad in Astoria, New York City.

[Andy Holloway]

New York City.

[Marshall Falk]

Would you trade Ajayi to get Ty Hilton? Right now Ajayi has his lingering knee issues and has slowed down tremendously since week one. Seems like Ty will only get better when luck comes back.

[Jason Moore]

Seems like you will.

[Marshall Falk]

I will say no, I would not do that trade. But if I was, you know, this is still a little team dependent. If you need a wide receiver, if you're winning right now, I think winning teams should be targeting Ty Hill.

[Jason Moore]

Also if you're, if you want to do this trade, Jason mentioned it earlier, make sure you get a running back in return. Don't just do this one for one. Ajayi has more value than Hilton right now despite the two bad weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

Ajayi to me is a complete hold. I think if you're trading him, you're not going to get the value for him that he, I'm concerned will have. I had a dream last night that he finished as like the 82nd running back. So that's not, that's not helping my case. But I do think Ajay, he's been, he's been getting used and he's the clear number one guy and he looks Fine when he gets the ball. It hasn't worked out yet, but it didn't work out so many times last year for the Giant.

[Jason Moore]

That's why I'm concerned.

[Andy Holloway]

That's why you're concerned?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, just the. He doesn't have this huge history of overwhelming success. I mean he had three absolute monster games and a couple of fine ones, but some very, very bad games and we're off to a poor start. The injury to his knee is being talked about far more this year.

[Marshall Falk]

Offense has to get fixed.

[Jason Moore]

The offense is completely broken. They're pulling him off the field for third down. Despite the off season fluff pieces that JJ is going to catch 2000 passes. Just saying.

[Marshall Falk]

I've 3000 actually.

[Jason Moore]

I was a little bit low.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm just.

[Jason Moore]

I have some growing, growing concerns for j. Bubbling concern. Yeah. Like stew.

[Marshall Falk]

Like.

[Jason Moore]

Like a beef beef stew.

[Marshall Falk]

Oh, that sounds good. I love beef stew.

[Andy Holloway]

Beef stew.

[Marshall Falk]

Is that it a song?

[Jason Moore]

It is now.

[Marshall Falk]

Does Pryor's performance last night mean that he's on track with Kirk Cousins? Asks Nick.

[Jason Moore]

I think we're getting there.

[Andy Holloway]

I would say no.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, Sam.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, we're getting there. I wasn't off of Terrell Pryor based on the previous weeks where he wasn't that involved. But I don't think what we saw. He had that deep long bomb, which was great. Had a great push off, you know, veteran wide receiver move to catch a touchdown. But he's still, he didn't get enough targets, enough receptions to give me the confidence that, okay, he's back. He's going to be a centerpiece of the offense, hopefully. I mean, he's good.

[Jason Moore]

It's fair.

[Andy Holloway]

I think you're just going to have some good games and some bad games with Terrell Pryor.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I can agree with that. It's just, it's also Cousins looks more comfortable in the offense.

[Marshall Falk]

All right, let's. Let's jump into this one at Travis Faust says Amari Cooper or Terrell Prior rest of season.

[Andy Holloway]

That's great. I'm going Coop.

[Marshall Falk]

I'm going to go Prior.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I would go. That's brutal. I think I was not close to me.

[Andy Holloway]

I want to water bet that one.

[Jason Moore]

Really?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. It's not, it's not close. So I know you're. You're up for it, right? Nope.

[Jason Moore]

Eileen Cooper.

[Marshall Falk]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

But it's.

[Jason Moore]

I don't feel good about it.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, it's certainly going to look bad for the next two or three weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Who scores more this upcoming week, Pryor or Cooper?

[Andy Holloway]

Cooper.

[Jason Moore]

I'M talking about this week. What's Rel Pryor on by?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, it's going to be close.

[Marshall Falk]

Very well done.

[Andy Holloway]

It's going to be very close.

[Marshall Falk]

Well done, sir. Aman in Dallas. I took DeMarco in the first round. He hasn't really panned out with a trade of demarco for Bilal Powell. Would that be smart? No, because I think it would not be smart. It is a full ppr, but nope.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, at that point I'm holding on to Murray when we're assuming that Matt Forte will be back sooner than later. And then the jets will destroy your Blau Powell dreams more than likely.

[Marshall Falk]

I'm so glad. Blow pals back into relevance. I didn't want to lose. Didn't want to lose that. Didn't want to lose it. It was, it was tough doing the eulogy and he just, he rose up from the dead zombie style.

[Jason Moore]

And his infection spread to Elijah McGuire.

[Andy Holloway]

That's true. That's true.

[Marshall Falk]

He was a. Yeah, somebody.

[Andy Holloway]

Doesn'T work. Doesn't work quite the same.

[Jason Moore]

Wait, did you go Elijah McGuire?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Marshall Falk]

Lyra McGuire.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no. You got to stick to the blau blows.

[Marshall Falk]

Hey, listen, our rankings for week number five, they go up on the website later today, so make sure you check them out at the fantasy footballers.com and check out draft.comballers to play along with us doing some DFS. We'll do a live draft on on Draft, the draft app.

[Andy Holloway]

Got a money back guarantee?

[Marshall Falk]

Yeah, they do pretty sweet stuff. So that is it for today's show. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for following the show and hopefully we see [e-mail] until further ado. We'll see you tomorrow.

[Jason Moore]

We'll see you tomorrow, Foot Clan. Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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