Fantasy Football 2017 - Week 5 Waivers, QB Streamers, MNF Takes

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Fantasy Football 2017 - Week 5 Waivers, QB Streamers, MNF Takes

Podcast Information:

• Title: Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast
• Host/Authors: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
• Episode: Fantasy Football 2017 - Week 5 Waivers, QB Streamers, MNF Takes
• Release Date: October 3, 2017

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1. Game Analysis: Chiefs' Final Play and Over/Under Impact

The hosts kicked off the episode by dissecting a pivotal moment from the Kansas City Chiefs game that had significant implications for their fantasy football bets.

Andy Holloway highlighted the crucial play:
"The final play of the game was a desperation snap from the 25... Justin Houston, instead of falling on the ball, rumbles into the end zone." ([02:12])

This unexpected touchdown by Houston altered the over/under bet they had placed, resulting in a loss for Andy:
"I lost that bet. Which means that I am not going to get out of any waivers this week." ([02:56])

Jason Moore added his perspective on the over/under fallout:
"I was like, okay, so it's impossible for me to now lose... that ended up at 49 points. And the over under was 49.5." ([01:25])

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2. Quarterback Strategy: Evaluating Alex Smith as a Weekly Starter

A significant portion of the discussion revolved around Alex Smith's performance and his viability as a consistent starter.

Andy Holloway presented Alex Smith's strong statistics:
"Through four weeks at least in our league scoring system he's the number two overall quarterback with a 46 point week." ([03:29])

Mike Wright expressed cautious optimism but highlighted concerns regarding Smith's upcoming matchup:
"I think that he is very, very close... but he's playing Denver twice. I'm not playing him against Denver at this point." ([04:05])

Jason Moore emphasized the importance of offensive weapons in Smith's success:
"The weapons I think are what really matter. Kareem Hunt has helped the offense so much." ([05:30])

The trio concluded that despite some reservations, Alex Smith deserves consideration as a weekly starter, especially given his favorable performances and supporting cast.

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3. Waiver Wire Targets: Wide Receivers

The waiver wire segment focused on identifying valuable wide receiver pickups that could bolster fantasy teams.

Mike Wright recommended key wide receiver acquisitions:
"I love the pickup of Danny Amendola... Devin Fontes and Jaron Brown would be my guys because they're getting the targets." ([22:26])

Andy Holloway echoed the sentiment, highlighting Amendola's potential impact:
"He's currently healthy and he's a huge part of what that team does. And this week they get Tampa Bay." ([23:01])

Jason Moore pointed out additional viable options:
"I also like Tyler Lockett. He's been healthier and more and more involved." ([25:13])

The hosts emphasized targeting receivers who are actively involved in their offenses and have the potential for high target volumes.

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4. Running Back Insights: Evaluating Amari Cooper and Aaron Jones

The discussion delved into running back performances, focusing on Amari Cooper's inconsistency and the emerging value of Aaron Jones.

Jason Moore defended Amari Cooper's reliability:
"I would still play him. He has always had big games and dud games. But the volume has still been there for him." ([11:01])

Andy Holloway expressed skepticism about Cooper's recent performances:
"He hasn't had a hundred yard game since week eight of last year... I think you're starting the name now." ([12:09])

Transitioning to Aaron Jones, Mike Wright touted his potential:
"Aaron Jones is a great pickup... he looked electric, looked like he knew what he was doing." ([29:24])

Jason Moore concurred, highlighting Jones as a top waiver target:
"He's a one week rental, maybe a two." ([31:40])

The hosts debated the balance between Cooper's established presence and Jones's rising opportunity, ultimately recognizing Jones as a valuable addition for immediate impact.

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5. Tight End Strategies: Maximizing Value

Tight ends were another focal point, with emphasis on players like Charles Clay and Evan Ingram.

Mike Wright identified top tight end options:
"Charles Clay is right up there... Evan Ingram is an absolute must." ([40:49])

Andy Holloway recommended prioritizing Ingram if Clay is unavailable:
"My number one pickup would be Ingram if Clay's not there." ([41:26])

Jason Moore supported the selection of reliable tight ends:
"I like Ben Watson... he's been getting the use." ([42:07])

The discussion underscored the importance of securing tight ends who consistently receive targets, ensuring steady fantasy points.

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6. Streaming Defenses and Quarterbacks

The hosts explored defensive streaming options and quarterback pickups to optimize weekly performances.

Mike Wright advocated for streaming defenses facing favorable matchups:
"Vikings versus Chicago is the supreme play... Eagles versus Arizona." ([45:32])

Jason Moore highlighted the synergy between Eagles' pass rush and Arizona's offensive line:
"The Arizona offensive line and the Eagles pass rush is a match made in fantasy heaven because you get points for sacks." ([46:03])

On quarterback streaming, Mike Wright recommended Eli Manning:
"Eli Manning... he's a great streaming option this week." ([48:12])

Jason Moore offered alternative QB options with favorable matchups:
"Brian Hoyer against Indianapolis is one of the best matchups out there." ([49:08])

The segment emphasized the strategic selection of defenses and QBs based on weekly opponent strengths and weaknesses.

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7. Listener Questions and Advice

Engaging with listeners, the hosts addressed common fantasy football dilemmas.

Question from Tori in Montana:
"I've started 0 and 4 and I feel like we have a really solid team. How do you keep your sanity when you're getting outscored a lot of points against you?" ([51:53])

Andy Holloway reassured Tori:
"You take advantage of other teams that are thrown in the towel... things come back to where you should be." ([53:15])

Jason Moore advised maintaining confidence and avoiding tilt moves:
"Stick with it. We're still so early in the season. You'll be fine, Tori." ([53:07])

The advice centered on perseverance, strategic roster management, and avoiding emotional decision-making despite early setbacks.

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8. Final Thoughts and Recommendations

Concluding the episode, the hosts reiterated key waiver wire targets and strategic moves to enhance fantasy teams for Week 5.

Andy Holloway emphasized the importance of high-volume players and strategic drops:
"You need to drop players like Terrence West for Alex Collins... You need to start somebody." ([56:03])

Jason Moore and Mike Wright reinforced the value of emerging players like Latavius Murray and Aaron Jones:
"Latavius Murray would be my number one. He has the opportunity to be a starting running back for the rest of the season." ([40:18])

The hosts left listeners with actionable insights to optimize their rosters, emphasizing the significance of player performance trends, injury impacts, and matchup considerations.

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Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway: "And Justin Houston decides instead of laying down with the ball... I've just gone way, way up." ([04:05])
• Jason Moore: "You chase the volume. That's probably the most important position to look at." ([07:55])
• Mike Wright: "Aaron Jones is a great pickup. He looked electric, looked like he knew what he was doing." ([29:24])
• Andy Holloway: "Amari Cooper can get you a big game. Do you see 50 yards and a touchdown as a good game for Amari Cooper?" ([12:54])

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This episode provided comprehensive coverage of Week 5's key fantasy football strategies, player evaluations, and waiver wire recommendations. Whether you're looking to bolster your wide receiver corps, secure a reliable running back, or navigate quarterback selections, the Fantasy Footballers offered invaluable insights to help you make informed decisions and ultimately win your league.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

To the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from the Play Draft studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the show. It is Tuesday, it is waiver day and it is October 3rd. So we are going to break it down and I'm excited. Andy Holloway here with Jason Moore and Mike the fantasy Hitman Wright.

[Mike Wright]

I am as excited as someone who was down five points with the Kansas City Chiefs DST on the final four seconds of that game.

[Andy Holloway]

My, my eyes just went, I went googly eyes when I saw Houston pick it up and then make an effort to run it in.

[Jason Moore]

I had done the math before that drive where, okay, even if they go to overtime and they kick a field goal and then a touchdown scores, I can't lose the over under bet because I bet the under against you, Andy. I was like, okay, so it's impossible for me to now lose. And then when that Kansas City dst, when Justin Houston decided instead of laying down with the ball and having the game be over to run in the touchdown and they said, oh, they're calling the kicker back out. That's, that's what the announcer said to kick the extra point. I'm like, no, that would be 50 points. It was a 49 and a half.

[Mike Wright]

Point over, under number one. There's no way I'm laying down if I'm Justin Houston. You get as a defensive player, you have probably a handful of times you can score in your entire career. I'm taking that to the house.

[Andy Holloway]

Undoubtedly not everybody saw the game last night. And the final play of the game was a desperation snap from the 25. Hacket liner, hook and ladder, throw the ball around, lateral it all around, the play bounces all over the place and it ends up being a loose ball at about the 10. And Justin Houston, instead of falling on the ball, Kansas City Chiefs defensive lineman, he picks it up and rumbles into the end zone. And then they don't kick the extra point, which they take a knee. Which teams, Teams generally they take a knee. Sometimes they kick it. Most often they take a knee. And that affected the over under which I had a bet with Jason on Monday Night Football. The over under bet and I took the over, he took the under and it ended up at 49 points. And the over under was 49.5.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Which is just incredible. So I lost that bet. Which means that I am not going to get out of any waterings this week. We all get a water. Yeah, this week. So very entertaining. Interesting game Trail prior showed showed a little something for the fantasy owners last night. But here's my quick question for you and I have my answer. But I'm very curious. We have not talked about this quick question. Is Alex Smith now an every week starter at the quarterback position? Through four weeks he's been very, very good. I can break the numbers down for you if you'd like.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Through four weeks at least in our league scoring system he's the number two overall quarterback with a 46 point week. A 20, a 20 and a 33. And you know, yesterday, very interestingly, seven carries, 56 yards and a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. Including the one where of Kareem Hunt owners just lost an entire chunk of hair as they tore it from their head.

[Andy Holloway]

That was a good play though.

[Mike Wright]

It was great play. Andy Reid, it was a great NFL play. It was terrible for my fancy team. I almost tilted during that play.

[Andy Holloway]

That is good for Alex Smith owner. So what do you think? Every week start I think that he.

[Mike Wright]

Is at this point, you gotta say he is very, very close. But he plays Denver twice. I'm not playing him against Denver at this point.

[Andy Holloway]

Lucky for fantasy owners, one of them is week 17.

[Mike Wright]

Week 17. So that does not matter for most people. And that's the game in Denver.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

So celebrate your good fortune there. But Houston, it doesn't. Doesn't terrify me. Pittsburgh is at least it's a home game. Oakland, you light them up. At this point, how can you argue Alex Smith is balling out that the scramble throw to Albert Wilson on the sideline. The laser beam was incredible. I mean Alex, I feel like Patrick Mahomes has come in here and lit just that fire under Alex Smith's butt. We're like Alex, you're have to start throwing the ball and he's. He's done that well.

[Jason Moore]

The weapons I think are what really matter. I mean Kareem Hunt has helped the offense so much. They just continue to move the ball and score points. That's what gives you fantasy points. So I think Alex Smith is a safe start. I would still, I mean because of where you got him, you know, if obviously if you've got a great court, if you're rocking Tom Brady and you've got Alex Smith too, then no. But you know he's going to be a top 12 finish type of guy almost every single week other than the Denver week.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike, Mike talked me out of Alex Smith in our dice. I apologize because of Simeon's home matchup and I played the stream of Simeon and I won so it didn't matter. But Alex Smith, here's what Alex Smith.

[Mike Wright]

Is also helped when Josh Norman left the game.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure, sure.

[Mike Wright]

Just saying. Like at Kansas City they were moving a little bit towards the beginning. Then Josh Norman went out and that's kind of when it opened up for them.

[Andy Holloway]

Alex Smith this year it's like you have a six sided die and when you roll it, which is starting Alex.

[Mike Wright]

Smith, you're going D and D. It.

[Andy Holloway]

Either lands with a 12, it either lands on Tyree Kill or it lands on Kelsey or it lands on Hunt or lands on rushing yardage. Like your odds of a great game with Alex Smith have just gone way, way up. And so yeah, for me he's an every week start. Now you, you laid out the schedule pretty well. I'd probably if I had to start him at home against Denver. Denver I would not. Who never gave up yet another passing touchdown this week. They're near the top of the league and passing touchdowns given up. They have a completely stout One of the biggest surprises in fantasy and in the real NFL is how stout the run defense in Denver is. Teams have been able to score against Denver through the air. Not necessarily a high production situation, but it's happened. So I'm not going to overplay that. And I wanted to actually talk about this too before we get into news and notes and then we're going to get into the waiver wire and we have our streams quarterback streams of the week on the show today as well. But I wanted to talk about this and this leads into it and you guys might have a difference of opinion, but the chasing of points and the worry about certain matchups should only go so far this week. If you took Chris Thompson and you paid for him on the waiver wire or you were just enamored by the success and you started him over a guy like Amir Abdullah because you were afraid of Minnesota's rushing defense, you got burnt and you got burnt big. Abdullah had a nearly 100 yard game, scored a touchdown. The volume for Abdullah, 20 carries in that game against Minnesota and you would have traded that for the most recent situation which look, I Was wrong a week ago about Chris Thompson's decrease. But the math was going to come to fruition. If you only get a handful of touches, eight to 10 touches a game, unless you take three to the house or, you know, have some monstrous play every game, it just evens out.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You can't be careful. You don't chase points, you chase the volume. And you know, Amir Abdullah has been getting 15 plus touches every single game. This last game against Minnesota, got 20 carries, had the touchdown. Yeah. I mean, fantasy is about opportunity so much. And I would say even more so at the running back position. That's probably the most important position to look at. Volume and opportunity.

[Mike Wright]

But to be fair, I would have played. I would have most likely played Chris Thompson. Yeah. Over Amir Abdullah against the Vikings. Yes. The shocking thing for Chris Thompson was not that you knew the carries were going to be low. He only got six carries, but it was the targets. He had five, seven, seven. And then he dropped to two. And when Rob Kelly, he was expected to play, but you knew it was going to be a questionable situation with the ribs. Ended up tweaking his ankle. I just, I expected Chris Thompson to be a safe five target guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I guess the way I saw it was both were bad matchups. I mean, you're in Arrowhead at Kansas City. If they're both bad matchups, give me the guy that's going to touch the ball 20 plus times. But that's why we're here to talk through these things. News and notes from around the.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. That sleeper bot alert hit yesterday and updated us to the Derek Carr situation. Jack Del Rio said that Derek Carr has a transverse process fracture and his back will be out two to six weeks. This is a major issue for the offensive pieces for Oakland, obviously with E.J. manuel now starting Derek Carr. I believe this is the same type of issue that Tony Romo had in his back. He thinks he can get back sooner than later, but you're looking at a couple of weeks where, I mean, it's just not pretty in Oakland right now. Marshawn lynch has been borderline unusable. He had had nine carries and six carries the last two weeks. So single digit carries. It's not going to get easier for him. With E.J. manuel under center Michael Crabtree injured, we'll see if he plays this week. Amari Cooper is currently the 71st ranked wide receiver in fantasy football. One reception, two receptions the past two weeks. And so what are we looking for? I mean, if you have to start somebody, let's Say Crabtree is out there. Do you have enough confidence starting him as a wide receiver to this week? Do you have enough confidence with any of these players? I mentioned Jared Cook before the show because Cook's targets went up with E.J. manuel in there and he's, he's getting those targets. But what do you do with Oakland?

[Mike Wright]

I'm still okay. Let's say Michael Crabtree is clear to play. I will still play him. Just taking the. Using the process of. Michael Crabtree is the possession receiver. I don't have to worry about E.J. manuel going deep and being accurate with a deep ball and just those short to intermediate routes. So I would be okay with him.

[Jason Moore]

How this is really.

[Mike Wright]

Do you really bench Amari Cooper? I know, I know the numbers are terrible, but can you really bench?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, let me lay that out. Let me lay that out for you. I just traded for Amari Cooper in our league of record because I still believe that this season he's going to be fine. I mean, we knew coming off that Denver matchup that he wasn't going to have a good game. And he has. While he's been a good wide receiver, he's always had big games and dud games. That being said, this would be a week where you can absolutely bench him. Unless you have to start Amari Cooper. I don't think you want. Look, the matchup itself, if Derek Carr was there, you'd be going, man, can I trust Amari Cooper against Baltimore, who has given up two passing touchdowns to wide receivers on the entire year. And now you take Derek Carr out, you put E.J. manuel in. Can Amari Cooper have a good game? Yeah. If you have to start him, could you be fine? Yeah, but I'm not striving. I'm not calling for like, hey, you, you need to start Amari Cooper because he's going to bounce back to what his norm is in a tough matchup with E.J. manuel as a quarterback. So he's a lower end. He'll probably be in my 30s in my ranking. And you'll have to make a tough decision this week.

[Andy Holloway]

And I think that you need to adjust on Amari Cooper. Now he hasn't had a hundred yard game since week eight of last year. So you're going on now a pretty significant run. 12 plus games where he hasn't scored over 14 fantasy points. He hasn't had more than five receptions. I just don't know what that means. Now he has the physical ability to essentially break out again, you know, to, to ascend and gain confidence. But I think you're starting the name now. It's unfortunate. 51 1. I mean, what's the when you said that Amari Cooper can get you a big game, what do you really see as the ceiling for that? Do you see 50 yards and a touchdown as a good game for Amari Cooper?

[Jason Moore]

No, I would see, you know, 75 yards and a touchdown. At least that's what I'm saying as a good game. I mean, like we said, you don't chase the points, you chase the volume. And the volume has still been there for him. You know, last season when you're right from week after week eight, he didn't have 100 yards. I think his highest game was 76 yards. Still 72. Yeah, maybe I'm looking at it. So, you know, still he had 132 targets on the year and he is pacing to be incredibly involved in this offense. So I am not off of Amari Cooper at all. But right now with E.J. manuel and the Baltimore Ravens not excited.

[Andy Holloway]

Andrew Luck worked back into practice this week. He's going to be practicing fellows. And then you have Ryan Kelly announced this morning, center for the Colts going to be back week five. The time to make a move for some Colts is right now. Ty Hilton, Frank Gore, Dante Moncrief, they're.

[Jason Moore]

Playing the San Francisco 49ers this week. You get your center back and you're able to move the ball. I think Frank Gore should have a decent week.

[Andy Holloway]

Now. I believe that the ideal team to target Colts players is a team that is 4, 0 or 3 and 1. So you, you're not going to get Ty Hilton with Andrew Luck for a little while. But you know now that there will be a time in which that will come this year you have that that certainty has gone up, the offensive line will be improved and therefore I think if you have a winning record and you can go buy Ty Hilton low, which right now, no matter what, you're going to be able to buy him lower than whatever his value would be as a top 12 guy, which he's been the past two years. That's my recommendation for fantasy owners. Chris Carson on IR Fractured leg, high ankle sprain. We talked about it yesterday. We're not really expecting him back this year. Ty Montgomery said he's dealing with multiple broken ribs and I was reading about this this morning. He basically just said he thinks he can play, but he can't play until they rule out the possibility of an internal injury taking place on the field due to the Fractured ribs.

[Mike Wright]

I just, I mean, that's a. It's beyond me trying to play running back with multiple broken ribs. I know they have. We have shots and like, they can take some numbing of some kind, but, man, even with a flak jacket, I don't know. That's.

[Jason Moore]

It's.

[Mike Wright]

This stinks for fantasy. If time Montgomery plays, I think it stinks because it takes out. It would. Aaron Jones, who we'll talk about in the waiver section. It puts a rain on that parade. And then Montgomery, can you actually trust him to finish a game with broken ribs or be effective? Even if he plays the whole game, this will put fantasy players in a tough spot.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And because of what you saw in Aaron Jones and what you just laid out, not just for fantasy, but for real life, I can't imagine Ty Montgomery playing this week. I just, I mean, Rob Kelly had bruised ribs, practiced all week, and then sat out that first game back. I cannot fathom that Ty Montgomery would be able to do that now. I mean, maybe, but I'm, I am. I'm calling for Ty Montgomery to not play this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Corey Davis not going to be back. Week 5. Marcus Mariota is day to day with a hamstring injury, so he is questionable for this week. And some reports said they may not decide till very late in the week. I find another option.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, if you're counting on Mariota, you best be prepared.

[Andy Holloway]

Mohammed Sanu will miss two to three weeks with a hamstring injury. And basically Doug. Jack Doyle still in the concussion protocol and Doug Martin. Let's talk about this. He came out and he said he's not sure how many snaps he's going to play on Thursday night's game. Reports said that he basically went through the walkthrough with the team. I had talked about the fact there is limited practice time for him. It is Tuesday. Today, they play on Thursday evening. How confident, Jason, are you in starting Doug Martin as a running back to this week?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm decently. I'm decently confident. I mean, as a running back. 2. I think that's what you should be able to expect. I can't imagine that he will not be at least involved in the game. I said a few days ago that I, you know, I think he's going to come in and be the starting running back because this is the system that he knows. This is not like, okay, there's a new coach and a new system. And, you know, he has played in this for years and we saw when he went out and Then came back to quiz Rogers last year. Went just from having complete workload to poof, vanish. You're gone. Doug Martin's back. He's our guy. So I don't know why it would change unless he's out of shape. I'm confident to start Doug Martin as an RB2.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm interested. I guess I'm interested to see what happens. I think this scenario is different than last year because you are. You're coming back from a team discipline issue as opposed to an injury. And so I think that there may be some shared carries on Thursday, but you are playing the Patriots, so I think there's actually potential for both players to have value in that game. We'll have to wait and see. Is there any chance, Mike, that you believe Doug Martin will be inactive for this game?

[Mike Wright]

Inactive, correct.

[Andy Holloway]

There's any chance that they walk them through the practice and they don't play in this week?

[Mike Wright]

I suppose you have to say there's a small percentage chance, but I'm with Jason. I expect him to play and I expect him to get the work.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I hope so because he's going to take the league by storm. Right. He's one of your guys this year, Andy. You got him cheap and you've been waiting for him. And if you can trade for him, you know, if the team is worried. I'm just saying, if I was almost able to. He has passed his by and that is an unfair advantage for any of the players on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or the Miami Dolphins.

[Andy Holloway]

When do we get a bye week? Do we have a bye week coming up?

[Mike Wright]

I think you have a bye week coming up next week.

[Andy Holloway]

That's actually true. I do have a bye week coming up.

[Jason Moore]

I think my bye week is in 2026. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Andy Holloway]

And basically every other competitor out there, they do a monthly price. It's much higher. And we're all about the value. We'll give you the best bang for your buck. All right, let's talk about waivers this week. Look, the buys are here. So the waiver discussion becomes a little bit different. It's not just, am I picking up a player with long term value, There's a short term aspect to it, there's the spot start aspect to it, and let's start at the wide receiver position. Now what we're going to do is we're breaking these things down a little Bit differently than we have in the past. We're trying to make this as easy to digest as possible so that you have targets in your league. And so we're going to start out with a couple of names that are probably owned but still worth checking in your league. Now who do we have?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, the probably owned guys. Rashard Matthews, Tyrell Williams, they're owned in most leagues, but they are available, you know, in about a quarter leagues. And those guys have enough usage in their offense a good enough offenses where you should pick them up. They should be owned.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, main waiver wire targets this week at the wide receiver position, you had a big flashy week from Devin Funches. On nine targets you had success from Danny Amendola, you had Will Fuller's two touchdowns. How should players be valuing kind of the main available guys in their league this week?

[Mike Wright]

I love the pickup of Danny Amendola. You know, I have my rule, my Rule 80, 11, which says when Julian Edelman is out and Danny Amendola is in, you play him. I know it's kind of a convoluted process there, but he gets targets. Seven targets this past week. He's currently healthy and he's a huge part of what that team does. And the Patriots are scoring just 50 points a week or whatever. And this week they get Tampa Bay. I mean, he's a great pickup and start this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And if you do start him this week, remember to put him in your wide receiver position because he's starting Thursday. On Thursday. So is he your kind of number one target out of the possible group? He's, he's probably available in about half a league.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's definitely up near the top. I would say my, my top pickups this week would be at wide receiver. Danny Amendola, Devin Fontes and Jaron Brown would be my guys because they're, they're getting the targets. Geron Brown is playing essentially all the snaps for the Arizona Cardinals. Last week, 12 targets over 100 yards and he's a go to receiver. He's not JJ Nelson getting you this huge 70 yard sexy touchdown bomb, but.

[Andy Holloway]

He'S a big boy.

[Mike Wright]

But he's getting receptions. The team loves him, which was evident last year. He tore his acl. They resigned him after tearing his ACL so that he was part of their plans. And Devin Funches, since Greg Olson went down, he's getting a bunch of targets. So I'm not expecting a two touchdown weak from Devin Funches, but he's, I think he's a fine spot.

[Jason Moore]

Funches has Been involved enough. I mean, we talked about him before this last week, before the two touchdowns as a pickup option. I like him. I also like Tyler Lockett. He's been healthier and more and more involved. They use him in the, in the running game. He can always break a special teams play. And then he has involved, you know, 67 yards through the air last week. Also, in addition to Jaron Brown, John Brown was back. He was, yeah, he was. You know, he's still in the process of getting healthier, but we know from the past what kind of value he has. If you're needing a spot start, a single start, I would agree with you. Danny Amendola would be the guy I'd be looking to pick up the most.

[Andy Holloway]

Cooper cup had another good week. Five for 16, a touchdown. We know the targets haven't quite been there for Sammy Watkins, but I think cup is more of a long term grab because Seattle, Jacksonville, Arizona, the next three weeks. Another one worth mentioning now, Willie Snead and Josh Dockson. Josh Dockson kind of in that super deep pickup. But both of those guys have a buy. So how do you approach them? I mean, do you just basically throw a waiver claim out there with no fab attached to them to just try to sneak them onto your roster or because you think people ignore them? What is kind of the thought process there? Because Sneed is owned in a lot of leagues but Doxson isn't. Could have came down with a touchdown last night.

[Jason Moore]

Should have came down.

[Andy Holloway]

But they both, neither of them help you in the short term with the bye week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm not picking up either of these guys unless I've just got a deplorable bench of guys that I should just be dropping. I don't want to pick a guy up on by a week. I would if I, if I do have that, then sure, I'll make a $0 bid, hold on to him for a week. But right now while you're in the buys, you probably need guys that you can start. Not a guy that's, ooh, let me pick him up so he doesn't play this week.

[Mike Wright]

What about your, your rookie, rookie crush of Zay Jones now that Jordan Matthews is expected to miss, what, one to two months with the thumb injury?

[Jason Moore]

I think Zay Jones is a guy that should be picked up and should be looked at because you have to. It's an NFL team, they have to throw the ball. They can't all go to Charles Clay.

[Andy Holloway]

I actually, when I wake up in the morning and I'M thinking about waiver pickups. I bring out one of those, like, canisters. You know, how you keep the mosquitoes away. But mine, I spray it all over my body, and it keeps all wide receivers from Buffalo from entering my roster. I'm not doing it.

[Mike Wright]

Do you spray the body or the computer?

[Andy Holloway]

See the problem? I've been spraying the body. So. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So Zay Jones, he slithered his way.

[Andy Holloway]

He's on my computer. I actually think a great spot start. You know, if you're looking for somebody to throw out there this week, I think Geronimo Allison, with Devonte Adams likely to miss, is an interesting play. I think Kendall Wright, if you want to take a shot right now before Mitch Trubisky gets into the lineup, you know, Trubisky has 11 days to prepare, and Kendall Wright kind of seems like he's the highest target opportunity there. And then what about Mike Wallace this week against Oakland? 10 targets last week, 6 for 55 and a touchdown. The 10 targets is what attracts me in. The Oakland matchup is interesting.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the matchup is enticing. It's so tough, man, to trust anyone in the Baltimore receiver corps. I mean, they were down big, and I don't recall how long it was, but I think, like, through the third quarter or so, Joe Flacco had, like, 50 yards. I mean, this. It's a disaster in the passing game. The numbers ended up okay by the end, but I don't expect Baltimore to go to Oakland and play against EJ Manuel and be down 20 points.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And to lean on the passing game. Yeah. All right. Are you guys comfortable moving on to the running backs?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, here's three names that I want to bring up. Probably owned guys, but they are worth checking on. So these would be the headliners if.

[Jason Moore]

If they're out there, you have to grab them.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. These are the must grabs. Tariq Cohen stay. Yep.

[Mike Wright]

You gotta stay with him.

[Andy Holloway]

Wendell Smallwood had a nice week. And then Alvin Camara. Who? Jason. Even with the bye week mentioned as a rising star. Well, the bye week may mean his price is lower. Yeah, that's what that generally means. If you've got a guy with one of the players on buy, maybe you have somebody that needs a start. You're not. They're not looking at Alvin Camara.

[Jason Moore]

My aforementioned bye week avoidance on waivers does not extend to the running back position. Because when you have an opportunity to pick up a running back who is startable, you do it. Even if he's on by you. If he Was suspended. If he's, you know, you've got to take the running backs that are getting it done. You know, last week, 15 touches and he's been more and more involved. You've heard good things out of camp. So I would still pick up Camara.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you agree with that, Mike?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think I would pick him up because the guys we're about to talk about, it's injury related opportunity, but.

[Jason Moore]

It'S not hoping you get the right guy on the team like all these groups, it's not guys we're talking about. We're about to talk about a bunch of groups, a bunch of teams where it's like, okay, time Montgomery. Time Montgomery. Let's say he misses. Who's it going to be? Yeah, you know, I think it's going to be Aaron Jones. He looked great. I think he would be a great spot start.

[Mike Wright]

Well, we know that Jamal Williams, he came in, he was the initial backup for Green Bay, but he came in the game, went down quickly with a knee injury. Aaron Jones, who I think was a fifth round rookie, I believe was Williams in the fourth, Aaron Jones in the fifth. He came in, looked electric, looked like he knew what he was doing, looked like a pro. And he had that Aaron Rodgers trust, which is a huge part of being on the Green Bay Packers. And it's so that this is. Aaron Jones is my pickup from the Packers. But the question is, do you think Ty Montgomery is going to miss? Because I can't give a definitive answer on that right now.

[Jason Moore]

I do.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we can give our.

[Andy Holloway]

Even if you think he's going to miss, I think you get into a messy situation. What made Montgomery attractive? I mean his actual. He never had a 10 yard plus run this year. I mean what made him attractive was the volume of snaps that he was receiving. I think if Williams and Jones are active, Randall Cobb is active, you're just going to have a really odd split, an unpredictable split.

[Mike Wright]

I'm confident that Williams is going to miss. Okay, so if Montgomery misses, then Aaron Jones is a great start this week.

[Andy Holloway]

You said you're confident Williams is going to miss.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, that changes it quite a bit.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And then Jones is a great start.

[Jason Moore]

And even though he didn't have any targets this last game, Aaron Jones is a, is a good, he's a good pass. He's a good pass. He had a season with 30 catches in college.

[Mike Wright]

How much fab are you willing to drop on Aaron Jones knowing that it's likely just a spot start? This isn't because like a Long because of that.

[Jason Moore]

This is completely team dependent. If you are in a matchup where you need to win and you have to start a running back off of waivers this week, then I'm willing to go more. I would pay 15 to try to buy a win this week. If you're not in that position, I probably will put a dollar on him and just try to maybe grab him if he goes through for free because he is probably a one week rental, maybe a two.

[Mike Wright]

The bigger story is Minnesota. Dalvin Cook torn ACL out for the year. Now you have to look at the rest of the RB squad for Minnesota. It's not a hope inspiring group. You have Latavius Murray, who was the big free agent acquisition, who says he's still dealing with his ankle recovery. He had off season surgery on his ankle. Then you have Jerick McKinnon who's been given chance. Seems like chance after chance after chance with the team and not getting anything done. Are you investing at all in Minnesota backups?

[Jason Moore]

I think you gotta take a shot.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I would, I would go after Murray, I would go after the UN. We've seen McKinnon alone in the backfield. I mean he's not really ever alone in the backfield. That's the problem and we've seen it over the years. I'd go for the unknown of Murray, somebody they paid for that situation. And you, you know, right now without Bradford, this offense isn't very exciting for anybody from a consistency standpoint. So I would take the shot at Murray myself.

[Mike Wright]

You know what, McKinnon does have the role though because even when Dalvin Cook was the primary runner, the workhorse Jerick McKinnon was still getting on the field. Latavius Murray was not. Do you think that's more a product of. Because you expect.

[Andy Holloway]

It's the same argument you make about Darren McFadden situation where McFadden's inactive, Alvin Morris is on the field. But when push comes to shove and you need a starter and a grinder, McKinnon cannot suffice in that position.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

And you saw the carries happen last game for Latavius Murray. That gave me confidence he'd be the guy.

[Mike Wright]

Are you willing to go big on Latavius Murray?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm willing to go because he's, as.

[Mike Wright]

Far as we know, he's a starting running back for the rest of the year. Yeah, I think, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean 15, 20 bucks.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Out of $100 budget.

[Jason Moore]

I would agree. And I would also be targeting Murray McKinnon. He'll get work. But he just, he's, he's athletic and he's not good at football. That's my official stance. Two carries, zero yards and well, I brought that last year. I just, I've never. I guess here's why I.

[Andy Holloway]

He's Andre Ellington. That's the problem.

[Jason Moore]

The reason I'm McKinnon is because I feel like there is this fantasy football community that loves him that just is like, oh, they need, you know, before this year they need to just make him the guy. And I've always gone why he's not, he's never done it.

[Andy Holloway]

Those people died a couple years ago. Yeah, McKinnon a couple years ago was exciting to me. He was the Kristen Michael of excitement two years ago. Now he's a role player.

[Mike Wright]

Be careful. Yeah, you be careful with that man's name.

[Andy Holloway]

Uh huh. Yeah. Don't want to drag that through the.

[Jason Moore]

Mud, through the ir. All right, Seattle, let's go to another team that's lost their starting running back. Chris Carson placed on IR presumably for the entire rest of the season. And now you have a three headed crapshoot. You're playing, you're rolling the dice.

[Andy Holloway]

It's four headed.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, you're. I forgot about CJ Pro Size McKissick.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean Pro size. I mean I take my money and I, I'd buy the cheaper of the two starting options, which is Rawls and Lacy. I would actually buy the cheaper.

[Mike Wright]

You think they will be cheaper than. Oh, you're in. You're envisioning one of those two as the starter.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm envisioning, I want whoever's going to get the ball on the five yard line if the situation comes up. And I would just take, I probably put low bids on both and just hope I end up with one of them and take the shot. That's, that's my approach to putting a.

[Mike Wright]

Bid in on Seattle running backs this week, I imagine is to feel like, do you guys remember, you can't say that on television, the Nickelodeon show. And then they would just drop the giant vat of green slime all over you. That's what it's going to feel like.

[Andy Holloway]

No matter who you, no matter who you're putting the. Everybody gets the slime.

[Mike Wright]

You're going to go and submit.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Because the one thing we've seen which.

[Andy Holloway]

Is what's going to happen if you start one of them as well is.

[Jason Moore]

That their offensive line is so bad and nobody has been really productive. Chris Carson was the only guy. So even if you get the guy that you want and he is the guy. You nailed it. He's the guy getting the majority of the, of the work. You're probably still going to be disappointed.

[Andy Holloway]

You're still getting the goo.

[Jason Moore]

You're still going to get your six and a half, seven points a game unless you get a touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

Does that mean that you bend towards a pass catcher McKissick or pro size or something like that?

[Jason Moore]

McKissick is the only one that I'm going to put a $0 bid on McKissick because he actually looked like, oh, wow.

[Mike Wright]

Did we remind people that Thomas Ross was a healthy scratch?

[Andy Holloway]

No, but I mean that's what Lacey was the previous two.

[Mike Wright]

But that's just like.

[Andy Holloway]

So you don't know.

[Mike Wright]

This is just a, this is a. This is a geostorm here.

[Jason Moore]

Great film.

[Mike Wright]

So. Yeah, but it's.

[Andy Holloway]

The geostorm is the opposite.

[Mike Wright]

I just disparaged Geo Clooney. I apologize.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not a perfect storm. It's a geost. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll tell you a player I like over all of these situations and options, to be honest with you, Jones, if you need a spot start, I like more than him. But Alex Collins, he's got a short leash due to the fumbles. But two straight weeks of 9 for 82 at a 50 yard run in this game, much more explosive than Terrence west has looked this year. The options are limited. We understand the situation, but again, the unknown, the fact that Terrence west showed that he could burst onto the scene in Baltimore and provide fantasy value long term for players last year tells me I want to take a shot with Alex Collins. And I went to set a little bit up this morning and Jason had been the handcuff police and had grabbed a bunch of handcuffs last week and he was already sitting on his roster.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

So you cheated.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Asking for a friend. Would you start Alex Collins or Deonta Foreman this coming week?

[Mike Wright]

I would start Alex Collins.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So Alex Collins, because he has a little bit more of a long term potential to me is more interesting on the fab. Ellington had 9 for 86 through the air last week. Ellington's got so much more pep in his step and this offensive line necessitates the pass to the pass catching back.

[Mike Wright]

Ellington's probably my top running back pickup of the week.

[Jason Moore]

Really?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's. He has value. He's a pass catching running back. 14 targets. And what Andy said the offensive line play in Arizona necessitates that Ellington's going to get a boatload of targets.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And he still looks quick. And he basically. He had a touchdown stolen from. If you didn't watch the game. He had an amazing receiving touchdown two feet down. Possession that was overturned and taken away from him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So, I mean, he had every. He had a chance to get in the end zone. It's worth mentioning Chris Johnson as well. He had 13 carries. He had three for 31. If you're in a deep league, he's got him. He's a deep pickup.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, deep. I mean, you're. You've got your spelunking cap off.

[Jason Moore]

You're in a 32 team league.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, here's. But here's the problem.

[Jason Moore]

What if you got Marshawn Lynch.

[Andy Holloway]

Marshawn lynch getting six, nine carries. Chris Johnson got 13 carries.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Chris Johnson's got to be running for like 1.7 a carry.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's about. I mean, I mean, I would still.

[Mike Wright]

Play Marshawn over Chris Johnson at this point.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would as well.

[Andy Holloway]

I am just out on Marshawn.

[Mike Wright]

That's fine.

[Andy Holloway]

I am just. I'm out on, but I'm just out. All right. And then Morris and McFadden are the cursory pickups in case something bad goes.

[Mike Wright]

Wrong with which we should have news very soon. We had the announcement that there was no. Yeah, there would be no ruling on Elliot yesterday, but. And as of right now, nothing has happened. Brooks, do we have breaking news?

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, I'm looking at it right now. Okay. All I have is the soon report. I'm sure it'll be the second or so.

[Mike Wright]

I really hope. It's like a gif of a soon, you know, like where the cat is peering over someone's shoulder.

[Jason Moore]

Two other guys worth mentioning in deeper leagues, Wayne Gallman, he actually looked the part carrying, you know, about 4 yards a carry behind the New York Giants line. And if he is the starter, the Los Angeles Chargers run defense has not looked especially difficult. So he could be, you know, one of those like Alex Collins type of startable guys for a week. And Elijah McGuire, you know, with Matt Forte out, he's been getting the use. He had 12 touches, 93 yards and a touchdown on the ground last week, but he is. He's a rookie and unknown. You've got a little. A little bit of hope, and then that hope is added to whenever you play the Cleveland Browns, which is his matchup this week. So there's plenty, Plenty of bad, gross options at running back. So you can take your pick. I think Latavius Murray would be My.

[Andy Holloway]

He'd be your number one.

[Jason Moore]

He would be my number one. Just because he has the opportunity to be a starting running back for the rest of the season.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Super deep pickups. We talked about those two guys. Let's move on to tight ends. The probably owned option at tight end, but somebody that I think has proven himself to be a top 12 guy each and every week because of the pass catching situation in Buffalo, it's Charles Clay. Charles Clay's own in about two thirds of leagues, but if he's available in yours, he had five for 112 last week. He has touchdown potential, he has big play potential and he has I'm all alone standing out here in the field potential.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, when you're talking tight ends, other than the every week starts of Gronk, Ertz, Kelsey, am I missing one right now?

[Jason Moore]

What's crazy is I'm not sure. You are. Maybe Jimmy Graham.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he said Gronk, Kelsey and Ertz, they're an every week start at the tight end position no matter what. And after those three guys, Clay is right up there, as I would say.

[Andy Holloway]

Clay is right up there. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So, I mean top five. I mean, that's. What a world, what a world we live.

[Andy Holloway]

Delaney Walker's in every way.

[Mike Wright]

I knew I was still.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you. Would you put Evan Ingram in there now?

[Mike Wright]

Yes. Evan category getting enough starts. I don't. If you're saying you got to go Clay or Ingram, that's going to be a tough decision. But they're both top 12 weekly starters now. The volume is there.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

But speaking of Evan Ingram, he is an absolute must. Pick up 11 targets. The dude can't block, but he can catch footballs and he's a mismatch. And Eli Manning has played well the last couple of weeks. The game scripts have kind of forced his hand. So we'll see what the Chargers can do because that's. The Giants will be taking on the Chargers this upcoming week. We'll see if that game script continues for the Giants.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. If you're in a PPR league as well, I think Ben Watson is a. He's a mighty fine pickup. You know, a couple weeks ago, he's.

[Andy Holloway]

A mighty fine man indeed.

[Jason Moore]

A couple weeks ago he was 8 for 91. Then last week he got the touchdown. Or two weeks ago. And then last week, 5 for 43. Which 5 for 43 is not good. Unless you're talking about tight ends this season, in which case, hey, 5 for 43.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I'd take it.

[Jason Moore]

Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

See the Tight end approach for a lot. If you don't have one of those auto starter guys, your tight end approach is pretty much, basically, it's not trying to be healthy at tight end. It's trying not to be sick at tight end in the sense that you're trying to go anti goose. What's your lowest opportunity to get destroyed at tight end? Guys like, I mean, my number one pickup would be. Would be Ingram if Clay's not there. So it'd be Clay Ingram. I would then go asj.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Because he's led the team in receiving for two consecutive weeks. And then, then Ben Watson would be there. And then if you're just. You're playing with the dirty fire of Hunter Henry.

[Mike Wright]

Never and never again.

[Andy Holloway]

He's more owned than any of these guys. So, you know, Mike, you don't have to sign him because somebody already has him.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Lucky.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

He's quicksand on your team. Good luck.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. You were talking yesterday about this whole concept of basically, you know, some of these guys that seem undroppable, like Crowell, who the.

[Mike Wright]

Crowell was the person who started this discussion.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. That if you really don't believe he's.

[Mike Wright]

Coming back, I can't drop him. Of course, you always try and trade a player because maybe someone believes in them, but the value is so low. I don't expect you're going to be able to trade them for much. But dropping them sounds crazy, but maybe you're just. You're putting a trap.

[Andy Holloway]

You called it a landmine.

[Mike Wright]

A landmine. Yeah, a landmine, quicksand, a black hole, whatever. On someone else's roster. Because he's going to get picked up and started and started. And someone's going to go, oh, I got to start him. It's Isaiah Crowell. And you're like, but we're past this. We are past Isaiah Cruell's name value. And it's Brooks we need. It hurts your team more than. So you just, you set this little trap up for someone else to pick him up and play him.

[Andy Holloway]

I just, I want to do a segment, Brooks, and I want to call it the name game, where we just drop stats and not the name of these players and decide what we do on some of these drop situations. Because that's the honest truth. It's just hard to drop guys like that. It's going to be hard. Do you drop Jameson Crowder? Do you go pick up a better wide receiver option? And the problem with that is, is, look, we got emotional attachment that comes along with spending Four months talking draft about players and the hopes and dreams and everything that. Look, Marshawn Lynch. Now, I'm not saying you necessarily drop Marshawn lynch, but the. You know who you need to drop. I'm going to say it right now. You need to drop Derek Carr. Derek Carr's schedule, injury situation. You need to start somebody.

[Jason Moore]

Unless you've got an eye.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you going to. Yeah. Are you going to roster two or three quarterbacks because you want to? I mean, somebody emailed me. They had Andrew Luck, who's going to start practicing. They had Derek Carr, and they can't play either of them. And they're saying, well, do I have. Do I hold three quarterbacks now? No. You drop Derek Carr, you keep Andrew Luck on your IR or your bench, and then you go find a spot starter, you go sign to Sean Watson or somebody. And we're going to talk about our streams right here in a minute. Let's talk about streaming defensive options this week. Who do you guys like?

[Mike Wright]

Well, they're probably owned, but the Vikings versus Chicago is the. Is the supreme play. Just give a little peek, ski to the waiver wire. They may be there.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would say the Eagles are available in, you know, still a slight majority of leagues.

[Mike Wright]

Versus Arizona.

[Jason Moore]

The Arizona offensive line and the Eagles pass rush is a match made in fantasy heaven because you get points for sacks, and there will be plenty of them. Right now, Carson Palmer leading the league in taking sacks.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that's a good stat to be the leader of.

[Jason Moore]

Congratulations, Carson. Your trophy is in the mail.

[Mike Wright]

And the Bills.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I love the Bills.

[Mike Wright]

The Bills defense, they're legit.

[Jason Moore]

They're really good. And you're playing against Andy Dalton, who. Look, Andy Dalton came back to life against the Browns. Against the Browns. Now you're going up against a Bills defense that a lot of good quarterbacks have struggled with. And, you know, if you think Andy Dalton's getting out of there without throwing a pick.

[Mike Wright]

Now I have to make.

[Andy Holloway]

My favorite team is the Ravens.

[Mike Wright]

I was going to say I have to make a decision here for our league of record. I've had the Ravens the last two weeks just destroying, I mean, two weeks ago, negative points. This past week, I think it was three. So in the past two weeks, I have, I have, I think, net one positive point from the Baltimore Ravens.

[Jason Moore]

Congratulations.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

It's been. It's been an excellent, excellent ride, but they get to go take on E.J. manuel.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

You're still all aboard.

[Andy Holloway]

I think they're a good, good option. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I do Think they're a good option?

[Andy Holloway]

I do.

[Jason Moore]

EJ Manual the people who are like.

[Mike Wright]

Here'S the Ravens are a great option because they did not play the Ravens the past two.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I mean last week they played Big Ben, they played the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[Mike Wright]

They played road Big Ben.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it doesn't matter. I mean it does matter. Of course it matters. But you still played road. Le'Veon Bell, who's great. The one knew he was going to be great.

[Andy Holloway]

The one problem is the, is the other side of the ball. Their defense is put in a bad position by their offense's inability to one control the clock and hold the ball and to move the ball down the field for basically putting them in a field position came so, so Philadelphia. You like Philadelphia.

[Jason Moore]

I do, I do like Philly a lot this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, let's go ahead and let's break down the quarterbacks.

[Jason Moore]

Full stream ahead.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. We're talking about quarterback streaming options this week. Last week we had some good, good options for you. Eli Manning came through. Mike, you're going to double up on him this week. Mike, your streaming quarterback option is Eli.

[Mike Wright]

Eli Manning and he's bit more owned than we generally like to have to give advice for the stream but I think he's a great streaming options. The Chargers are traveling across the country for a morning game. We've seen time and time again the west coast teams, it's, it's not an ideal situation and Eli's playing, he's playing well and they can't run and he's got Marshall Shepard and this things are looking up for Eli Manning. So I think that he is a fine, a mighty fine stream this week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's, I mean I would, I would be very happy to play Eli Manning but like you said, he might be owned in your league. I'll give you a guy who's not owned in your league. Oh, you play in a three quarterback league. Don't worry, he's still. Brian Hoyer has not been playing that well this year. He's got one good game out of four. But if you actually it's always like.

[Andy Holloway]

To start my streaming. Yes, he has been playing very poorly.

[Mike Wright]

This year, 25% of the time.

[Jason Moore]

Take a look at his four games. You've got the Carolina Panthers defense. Week one looked great. Then you go to Seattle. In Seattle. That's rough. Also go to Arizona in the field goal game of last week. That's rough. Those are hard games. And of course he had bad matchups on all three of those. He did have one Game against the Los Angeles Rams where He threw for 332 yards and two touchdowns, had 32 fantasy points. He has always been a great streaming option and this week he's got the Indianapolis Colts one of the best matchups out there. I think you can start Brian Hoyer. I mean he can look really good and get the job done if he's got a good matchup. And he does.

[Andy Holloway]

He's at home. No, no, he's not. Okay. That's why I was wondering why the Colts are favored by a point and a half and that would be why. Yeah, I was so close to just saying, you know, I really like that take but I don't like him on the road against Indianapolis. No, no, not for me. But that's okay. I'm going to go with desean Watson. I'm going to stay in the flames. He's only 26% owned. He's the top quarterback pickup for me because he represents the potential for a really long term, high value guy. He's got a rushing floor to him so you know he's willing to run the ball a little bit and you might have to spend a little bit more this week to put him on your roster. But after Kansas City this week he has Cleveland and then a bye week. So it's really dependent on what you have.

[Mike Wright]

And then he goes to Seattle.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he goes to Seattle. It's depending on what else you have on your roster. But I like, I like Watson. I think he's a great streaming option this week and I think he'll do well for you. There are some other very good streaming options this week. You have Andy Dalton, you know, 46% owned. I don't know if he's a great streaming option though because of the Buffalo matchup.

[Mike Wright]

There's a matchup where both quarterbacks I think are in full stream potential. Here you get DeSean Kaiser against the jets, which means you get Josh McCown against the Browns.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I do. Like.

[Andy Holloway]

So those two heads up, who would you take? Kaiser? McCown. Because I think I'd go with McCown.

[Jason Moore]

I would as well.

[Mike Wright]

I think I bill McCown pretty accurate.

[Jason Moore]

And Cleveland has been pretty bad.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I mean as far as past.

[Jason Moore]

Defense, their rough defense has been okay.

[Mike Wright]

Get nasty. Josh McCown.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, he was almost my stream of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

You know what we're going to do?

[Mike Wright]

I don't know what we're going to do.

[Andy Holloway]

Get into the mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

Why don't you just tell me what we're going to do?

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

Alright. If you have a question.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, very nice.

[Andy Holloway]

If you have a question for the show, you can go to the website thefantasyfootballers.com click the submit a question button. You can also send them over on TwitterFFballers and call our voicemail hotline 302464 TFFB. This one comes in from Tori in Montana. He or she titled it fantasy depression, said standard league. These are my week one through four scores and he or she gives them and then says, I've started 0 and 4 and I feel like we have a really solid team. I have 457 points scored against me. So a lot. And then he's fourth highest scoring team. How do you keep your sanity when you're getting that whole outscored a lot of points against you?

[Mike Wright]

Tori, me and you together are hand in hand in this situation. I'm owing for and I won't read off my whole roster, but it's a good roster.

[Jason Moore]

It just got a very good team.

[Mike Wright]

It's. The ball is bouncing away from me. I would have beat 50% of the league this week but I lost to andy and I'm 0 and 4 and you're the fourth highest scoring team.

[Andy Holloway]

Apparently you don't know how to keep your sanity.

[Mike Wright]

Well, that's, it's tough. But you're the fourth highest scoring team in the league. You got to persevere.

[Jason Moore]

Here, here's, here's what you need to do. You need to realize that Andy and myself in our division against Mike, we are hoping, nay, praying that Mike goes on tilt and then he trades away his assets and then he makes bad decisions that we could take advantage of because he's in that hole. Mike, when I tried to deal with him, said he's going to hold off another week before doing that because he knows what he's doing. And so my advice to you is be confident in your team. Don't make tilt moves. If you're the fourth highest scoring team, then it will, you know, it will come back to where you should be. You, you should be probably at least 2 and 2 or if not 3 and 1 when you're the fourth highest scoring team. So stick with it. We're still so early in the season. You'll be fine, Tori.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And you take advantage of other teams that are thrown in the towel. That's the other equation. If you have other teams that are thrown in the towel, suddenly your competition shrinks down, things come back to the mean. That's all you can do. Dan in Syracuse wants to Know who's the best chance to be a big upside play from the waiver wire this week? So we just went through all the.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, Aaron Jones.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

That's my pick too.

[Jason Moore]

Mine as well.

[Andy Holloway]

Especially PPR league. All right. Cohen or Camaro rest of season says Dan in Pensacola. Would you rather have Cohen or Camara for the rest of season in a half point per reception league?

[Jason Moore]

I would rather have Camara.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to take the offense. I'm going to go Camara.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Over the last like three years, the Saints offense with running backs has been near the top of the league and Camara is getting more and more involved.

[Andy Holloway]

Nick, in San Ramon, California, I have Jordan Reed on a buy. Martellus Bennett is my backup. Is he droppable for another tight end? Specifically Ingram?

[Mike Wright]

For Ingram, yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you drop him for Ingram?

[Mike Wright]

I would. I would rather have Ingram. I'd rather targets. I know that there's a report today that Aaron Rodgers. I need to get Martellus Bennett involved early. I don't, I don't know how many times. We need to see that the tight end option for Green Bay is not where you want to go for fantasy because they have three of them, I think.

[Jason Moore]

See, I wonder about that because if Devonte Adams misses this week we brought up Geronimo Allison, but he would be a little bit more involved. And last week, I mean, you have Martellus Bennett with six receptions.

[Andy Holloway]

I would strongly consider playing Bennett this week. If Jordan Reed is on a buy and you're going to get Reed back.

[Mike Wright]

But wouldn't you rather have Angram for the long term?

[Andy Holloway]

But you don't need to because you have Jordan Reed. That's the, that's the thought process. There is play the better start this week as opposed to taking a guy with a better long term prognosis. I can go. I think both are good starts. But the matchup isn't ideal for Ingram this week. It's better for Bennett and Bennett has targets as well. So I would actually play Bennett.

[Mike Wright]

Get ready for Lance Kendrick's touchdown, right?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. No, no joke. If you do decide you want Ingram because of everything we laid out, make a $0 bid. Don't. Don't spend because it's so close.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Jason Moore]

Where it's like, okay, I think I want him more. I'm going to try to make. I'm going to try to pick him up. But you could be wrong about that. And then you've spent five or ten dollars on your fab for no reason.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. This one's from a Vikings fan in Heartbreak Hotel. He says, is Terrence west droppable?

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

I would drop him.

[Jason Moore]

You would?

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely. Yeah, I would drop.

[Mike Wright]

He's not a. He's not a. I would. I would drop him.

[Andy Holloway]

I would drop Terrence west for Alex Collins.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think I would, too. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He's useless.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, I know he's been battling through some injuries. I just don't know whether or not they're going to put him to the back of the line. He's been their starter. This last week was pretty horrific for Terrence west, but if he was out.

[Andy Holloway]

There, his negative three.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, negative seven yards on four carries.

[Andy Holloway]

Carry six carries. Four carries.

[Jason Moore]

So he should have two carries.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, we told everybody to ship him out after the Cleveland game where he miracled the touchdown on 8 for 22 because the writing was on the wall. This offense seems stinks. So I guess I made like 10 guys on the waiver show today that I'd rather have than.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I guess back to back, nine carry weeks from. From Alex Collins says Terrence West. You could probably get rid of them.

[Andy Holloway]

Sorry, buddy.

[Jason Moore]

Won me over.

[Andy Holloway]

You. You burned. Not. Not really bright. You burned. You just burned. Thank you for listening to the show today, watching over on YouTube. You can subscribe over there and hang out with us every single day. And don't Forget, check out draft.comballers to play on the draft app. Some DFS draft with us and they got these cool money back guarantees. Now if you're a new player on draft.com ballers they take care of you. So take care. Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

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