Fantasy Football 2017 - Week 9 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, Over-succeeding

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary
Episode: Fantasy Football 2017 - Week 9 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, Over-succeeding
Release Date: November 6, 2017

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Introduction

In this Week 9 episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright delve into the highlights and lowlights of the current fantasy football week. They provide in-depth analysis of standout performers, underperformers, rising stars, and players who are exceeding expectations. Additionally, the hosts discuss key injuries, coaching strategies, and offer valuable fantasy advice to help listeners optimize their lineups.

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Weekly Rewind: News and Updates

The episode kicks off with a recap of significant news affecting fantasy teams:

• Jameis Winston's Injury:
  Andy Holloway highlights that Winston aggravated a shoulder injury in Sunday’s game, likely sidelining him for at least the next week. Jason Moore adds, “I expect him to miss the next week,” emphasizing the impact on fantasy lineups (10:32).

• Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Struggles:
  The Buccaneers are grappling with offensive inconsistencies, particularly with offensive coordinators affecting players like Mike Evans and DeSean Jackson. Andy questions whether to adjust their usage based on Ryan Fitzpatrick's quarterback play (12:07).

• Des Bryant’s Ankle Injury:
  Jason Moore expresses concern over Des Bryant’s injury, suggesting it may develop into a high ankle sprain, potentially sidelining him for multiple weeks (12:41).

• Leonard Fournette’s Suspension:
  Mike Wright discusses Fournette’s suspension for conduct detrimental to the team, noting this provides additional flexibility in the running back lineup (15:56).

• A.J. Green’s Altercation:
  The hosts anticipate a suspension for A.J. Green following his ejection from the game due to fighting, warning fantasy managers to monitor his status closely (16:45).

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Studs & Duds: Week 9 Performances

Studs (Top Performers):

• Carson Wentz (Philadelphia Eagles):
  Andy Holloway praises Wentz’s efficient performance, throwing for 199 yards and four touchdowns in a single game, questioning his long-term sustainability but recognizing his current dominance (24:33).

  "With 199 yards and four touchdowns, Carson Wentz has been an absolute stud this week, and I believe he'll surpass Alex Smith in total points this week." – Andy Holloway [25:03]

• Marshawn Lynch (Oakland Raiders):
  Despite an injury, Lynch delivered two touchdowns and solid rushing yards, reaffirming his value as a reliable RB despite the team’s inconsistent offense (28:29).

  "Marshawn Lynch has proven once again that he’s indispensable. Dropping him would be a mistake, especially given his touchdown potential." – Jason Moore [29:11]

• Jared Goff (Los Angeles Rams):
  Goff's performance under Sean McVay's innovative offense has turned him into a rising star, making the Rams the highest-scoring team in the league (24:33).

Duds (Underperformers):

• CJ Anderson (Chicago Bears):
  Anderson struggled with low production and limited involvement in a poor offensive system, prompting discussions about trading or cutting him from fantasy rosters (14:08).

  "CJ Anderson's three single-digit weeks are a concern, especially with the Bears' offense being three and five. It's time to consider moving on." – Andy Holloway [14:05]

• DeAndre Hopkins (Arizona Cardinals):
  Although Hopkins had a touchdown, his efficiency was questioned due to the poor play-calling by quarterback Tom Savage, leading to doubts about his future performance (35:16).

  "With Tom Savage’s inefficiency, relying on DeAndre Hopkins is risky. It might be time to consider trading him for a more reliable receiver." – Mike Wright [37:03]

• Doug Martin (Chicago Bears):
  Martin's disappointing performance and subsequent benching raised red flags about his reliability and future role in the Bears' offense (51:35).

  "Doug Martin's eight carries for seven yards are impossible to overlook. It's time to seriously evaluate his role moving forward." – Andy Holloway [51:35]

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Rising Stars of the Week

Damian Williams (Miami Dolphins):
Mike Wright highlights Damian Williams as a rising star due to his increased involvement in the passing game, despite overall skepticism about his running abilities. His versatility makes him a valuable plug-and-play option for fantasy managers (40:50).

"Damian Williams may not be the best RB overall, but his role in the passing game is making him a reliable option this week." – Mike Wright [42:15]

Cole Beasley (Dallas Cowboys):
Andy Holloway points to Beasley’s two touchdown receptions as a reason to consider him in place of injured or suspended players like A.J. Green. His consistent target volume makes him a dependable option (44:00).

"With injuries in the Cowboys' offense, Cole Beasley becomes a necessity and a potential game-changer for your lineup." – Andy Holloway [44:00]

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Over-succeeding: Players Exceeding Expectations

Corey Clement (Philadelphia Eagles):
Jason Moore notes Clement’s ability to overperform in Week 9, capitalizing on opportunities and becoming a more integral part of the Eagles' offense. His steady performance makes him a valuable fantasy asset.

"Corey Clement has overperformed with his workload and involvement in the passing game, making him a strong asset moving forward." – Jason Moore [27:29]

Marquis Goodwin (San Francisco 49ers):
Andy Holloway is impressed by Goodwin’s unexpected rise in targets, marking him as a player to watch as he becomes a significant part of the 49ers' passing attack despite being traditionally seen as a deep threat.

"Marquis Goodwin is emerging as a top target in SF’s offense, offering valuable points despite his reputation as a deep threat." – Andy Holloway [55:31]

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Player Operations: Trades, Drops, and Waiver Wire

CJ Anderson vs. Damian Williams:
Mike Wright advocates for keeping Anderson as the starter due to his consistent role despite mediocre stats, suggesting only temporary usage based on weekly performance.

Robert Woods (Los Angeles Rams):
Andy Holloway and Jason Moore discuss Woods’ fluctuating performance, considering trading him for more stable receivers given the Rams' high-scoring offense that might already provide significant value.

DeMarco Murray (Tennessee Titans):
The hosts express concerns over Murray’s health and future performance, recommending fantasy managers monitor his condition closely and consider alternatives due to his inconsistent usage and injury history (48:40).

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Fantasy Advice and Conclusions

Carson Wentz’s Dominance:
The hosts agree that Wentz is currently the top quarterback in fantasy football, projecting him to maintain or increase his lead in total points, especially given his efficient touchdown-to-yardage ratio (24:33).

Running Back Stability:
Marshawn Lynch and DeAndre Hopkins are emphasized as essential players to retain for their high upside and reliable production, despite some inconsistencies in team performance.

Wide Receiver Considerations:
Corey Clement and Cole Beasley are highlighted as valuable assets due to their increased targets and consistent involvement in high-scoring offenses, making them safe picks for the remainder of the season.

Injury Watch:
Listeners are advised to stay vigilant about player injuries such as Jameis Winston, Des Bryant, and Leonard Fournette, as these can significantly impact team compositions and fantasy lineups.

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Notable Quotes

• "If you are listening and you pooped yourself, we are going to need an email." – Andy Holloway [45:21]

• "You can't drop players like Marshawn Lynch, who, even though they're underperforming right now, they're still giving you points." – Jason Moore [29:13]

• "We are going to over succeed for the rest of this season, that is for sure. Oh, yeah. Mom's going to be proud." – Mike Wright [28:20]

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Final Thoughts

The Fantasy Footballers provide a comprehensive analysis of Week 9, offering actionable insights for fantasy managers. By identifying key studs, duds, rising stars, and over-succeeding players, they equip listeners with the knowledge needed to navigate the latter half of the fantasy season successfully. Additionally, their discussions on injuries and player operations emphasize the importance of staying informed and adaptable in fantasy football strategies.

For more detailed discussions and premium resources, listeners are encouraged to join their fantasy community at jointhefoot.com and follow them on Twitter @the_ffballers.

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Note: All timestamps correspond to the podcast's original timeline, providing context for the quoted discussions.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Mike Wright]

Welcome to the fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from the Play Draft Studios with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Ah. Welcome back. It's Monday, November 6, 2017, and I'm pretty sure Mike has his Christmas tree up already.

[Jason Moore]

You are 100% correct.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. Yeah. When that calendar rolls over to November.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

All these people, like, slow down with the Christmas. It's not even get out of my face is what I say to that. It's holly. It's jolly up in here.

[Andy Holloway]

Hold off on your fun with your family.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Keep that down to one month a year.

[Mike Wright]

How dare you? You haven't even eaten turkey yet.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, no. The best holiday is coming up. I've extended it to two seasons. The Halloween people. Look, I don't crap on the Halloween people. As soon as fall rolls around, like, ooh, Halloween. Fine, enjoy your Halloween. But now it is my time to shine. It is Christmas time.

[Mike Wright]

I'm right there with you. Usually the day after Halloween is. Put up Christmas stuff real quick, guys.

[Jason Moore]

What about Christmas music?

[Mike Wright]

What's the rule with Christmas music?

[Jason Moore]

It's already on in my house.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I was gonna say Christmas music in stores. That's too early. You can't bombard everybody. But in my home, I've already been playing it.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, what are you going to play? I mean, they don't have Thanksgiving music, right? It'd be delicious.

[Mike Wright]

Wait till after Thanksgiving.

[Andy Holloway]

Now, Mike. Mike is traditionally known as a bit of a strange man around the holidays anyway, because you don't even do. You don't do the big, like, turkey Thanksgiving, right?

[Jason Moore]

You do this it's overrated. Thanksgiving, it's meal the entire holiday. It's very overrated.

[Andy Holloway]

I can hear people turning off.

[Mike Wright]

This is where we agree to disagree.

[Jason Moore]

And that's perfectly fine.

[Mike Wright]

Shame on you. I'm the food expert.

[Andy Holloway]

Big fan of turkey over here to my right.

[Mike Wright]

I prefer ham to turkey, but you are still correct. Big fan of turkey and all meats.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, welcome to the podcast. We are here. It's Monday. A lot of, you know, this week in fantasy. I don't know if I've ever seen so many complete dumpster fire tweets sent my way where teams just happen to have that combination of all the same players that pooped their pants. I mean, if you, it seems like if you lost, you lost big this week because you were counting on a shady McCoy or somebody of that, you know, stature that let you down in a big time way. Doug Martin was on rosters, a lot of these players that maybe you thought were going to have a big week. I've seen some pretty low scores from teams that had some bad luck. But we're going to get into all of the studs, all of the duds this week.

[Jason Moore]

We might need a section of who got in a fight.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I was just going to bring up. This was a get it together, people. I mean, goodness gracious. I felt like every game there was this massive brawl.

[Andy Holloway]

Carlos Hyde got ejected.

[Jason Moore]

Yep. A.J.

[Andy Holloway]

Green got ejected.

[Mike Wright]

And Mike Evans should have been ejected.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

There were so many fights. Although what, what dawned on me on my drive in today was all the fights happened with, you know, pretty, pretty bad teams, teams very frustrated and disappointing. You know, the Bengals were supposed to be good. They stink. The Buccaneers were supposed to be good. They're awful. The Cardinals, oh, this, this is their final year now. They're terrible. You know what I mean? It's like every team that's frustrated with where they're at, they were letting their emotions hang on their gloves that were punching helmets.

[Andy Holloway]

I was just leaving him. I didn't know where he was going. Cliche was coming.

[Jason Moore]

It was. That was quite the ride.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, quick question of the day. I think it's a great one. I made it up myself. Is that accurate? No, this is Brooks's question. No, I think. Kyle.

[Mike Wright]

Kyle.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

The Borgogan.

[Andy Holloway]

It's an interesting debate. Would you rather have rest of season Alvin Kamara or Kareem Hunt? Rest of season now? I think it's interesting because I think it is a, it's a look into early season bias, in my opinion. Which we've talked about a lot. Players that come out and they explode in week one, week two, and what that does to your psyche and how you view that player forever. Because I wanted to do this question because of this. I think the answer is Alvin Camara. And I think when I heard this question, I naturally said, well, obviously it's Kareem Hunt.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

And that's why I think it's an important question.

[Mike Wright]

Let me, let me lay the groundwork out for your argument here in the sense that. So from week three on, after those first two, three, read the question.

[Andy Holloway]

What?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, we did.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, Brooks.

[Andy Holloway]

Get Brooks. Mind your business. Brooks ejected.

[Mike Wright]

I will fight you. So from week, from week three on, after those two big monster games, keep in mind Camara had a great week.

[Andy Holloway]

Three monster games for Kareem Hunt. You're speaking.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, for Cream Hunt from week three on. That's a large sample. Week three through week nine, Kareem Hunt is the number five running back while Alvin Camara is the number four running back ahead of him since week three. And if you only look at the games since Adrian Peterson has been gone, Alvin Camara is the number three running back, whereas Kareem Hunt over the last three weeks is the running back 14. So there, there is some of that first opening season bias leaking in for sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And 17.2 points per game since the Peterson trade for Camara in a half point league, 12.8 points per game for Hunt. Hunt hasn't scored a touchdown in a long time. And here is why. I think Camara is the right answer. And I. They're both still, I mean, Jason just gave you the numbers. This is the number four and five since week three. I think Camara is the right answer and I think it comes down to the head coach Andy Reid, for all of his great offensive mind, has a tendency to lose sight of his running back. And we saw it with Jamal Charles at times. We saw it with, with Kareem Hunt yesterday. Nine carries in a game against the very beatable Dallas defensive front. Whereas Peyton's history, Sean Payton, New Orleans Saints coach and his history of utilizing weapons in the passing game, running backs in the passing game is so long term and sustained that I have more confidence in Camara's week to week performances than I do Kareem Hunt's with him not getting into the end zone to.

[Mike Wright]

Back up that statement of the coaching. Check this out. Since Adrian Peterson has been gone, I said that Alvin Camaro was the number three running back in all of fantasy football over these Last three weeks, the number two running back is Mark Ingram. I mean, the running backs, the tandem of Ingram and Camara are to be the number two and number three running back of all teams. And you're on the same team. That's pretty impressive. Now, all that being said, all that being said, I am still Kareem Hunt on this answer and the reason is the touchdowns because it's not like Kareem Hunt has been bad since those opening two weeks. He's been over 100 yards in most of the vast majority of the past two weeks. The last two weeks were the first two times that he has not been over 100 combined yards between rushing and receiving. But you have Camara over that stretch. He's got five touchdowns where Kareem Hunt's got no touchdowns. And I don't expect those trends to just stay on, you know, on that track. The volume is still siding with Kareem Hunt. But it's an interesting fair question. Where do you stand, Mike?

[Jason Moore]

I think I'm with you that I still lean Kareem Hunt. It's very close, but your argument is exactly where I would go. It's those touchdowns. If you, if Kareem Hunt had just gotten three touchdowns with which based on his workload, that's kind of like that positive regression or return to the mean, whatever you want to call it, he should have had at least two touchdowns in that time period, statistically speaking. So I think that the touchdowns will return for cream Hunt and he'll continue to be dominant.

[Andy Holloway]

It's very interesting because we are coming off a season in which Spencer Ware.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Had that positive regression return to the mean argument coming into the season. So now you're going on two years where look, this is the Andy Reid gets cute argument where Andy Reid is lining up what demarius or who might Demetrius Harris on the outside and then it's Travis Kelsey on the. I mean this happened yesterday. Alex Smith, Travis Kelsey threw him the ball from the two yard line. It's just. It is, it's an interesting argument. I think you're going to be in good shape with both players and, and I think the message that people want to hear right now is do you panic on Kareem Hunt? And both of you are vehemently saying no way.

[Jason Moore]

I would not.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's go ahead and get into the Rewind.

[Mike Wright]

Weekly Rewind.

[Andy Holloway]

You can follow us on Twitter @ the FF Ballers and we also invite you to check out our fantasy football [e-mail] A lot of Good stuff going on over there. You'll be able to peek into some premium resources that'll help you towards your playoff push.

[Mike Wright]

Playoffs.

[Andy Holloway]

Playoffs. But let's look into the news. Jameis Winston aggravated the shoulder injury in Sunday's game, was out for the second half. I would say, like nine times out of 10 when that situation happens, a re aggravation of an old injury, you miss part of the game, they miss the next week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I expect him to miss the next week. Man, he, he. My fantasy teams. I had him in many places. It is on Sunday.

[Mike Wright]

It is incredibly irrelevant.

[Jason Moore]

Those teams did not win, by the way.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's just incredibly ironic that the week before this you were worried about him being able to re. Injure that injury. You said you're not willing to start him. And he did two weeks ago when.

[Jason Moore]

He destroyed the Bills.

[Mike Wright]

When he destroyed the Bills and was like, oh, and now you're like, okay, we're. You could trust him. Nope.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well, I mean, he did. He got the bear hug sack where he got slammed right onto the shoulder. Yeah. So, I mean, rough injury. Expect to be without him for at least a week, maybe two weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

I want to stay there. Tampa, their season is struggling along and Ryan Fitzpatrick, if he starts, how does that affect the skill position players in Tampa? Because you have Evans and DeSean Jackson. Jackson has found no rapport with Winston whatsoever this year. Jackson was the most targeted receiver this past weekend, but that was like, you know, not a high acclaim situation. You had, I think, two catches, three catches. So Ryan Fitzpatrick, a willingness to throw the ball downfield, this team struggling. Do you do anything to Evans and Jackson?

[Jason Moore]

No, it's. They get to take on the jets at home next week. Ryan Fitzpatrick, with the full week of practice, is competent with. We saw him lead that, you know, kind of the almost big comeback against the Cardinals a few weeks ago. He's good enough to carry the skill players for a week or two.

[Andy Holloway]

Des Bryant, sprained ankle. Got his right ankle rolled up on attempting to make his seventh catch in the game. Went to the locker room. Terrence Williams also tweaked his knee. What's the initial word on destination?

[Jason Moore]

So Rappaport did tweet out that DEZ Bryant's injury is not considered anything to worry about. But Dr. David Chow, we've brought up his name several times on this. He's a sports doctor. He looked at the mechanism of the injury and he does have his concerns that it looked like a high ankle sprain, which that'd be bad news. I mean, you're talking multiple weeks. So I don't want to sound any panic alarms, but I am slightly concerned about Des Bryant's availability this weekend.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

This upcoming one, Eddie Lacy exited Week 9 groin injury. If you couldn't figure that out already, this was the week where you thought maybe you'd have some opportunity.

[Jason Moore]

And it was happening. Yeah, it really was happening.

[Mike Wright]

He looked pretty good in the very beginning of that game.

[Andy Holloway]

And then CJ Anderson, another terrible week for CJ Anderson. Keep trade, cut CJ Anderson.

[Mike Wright]

I'm still keeping CJ Anderson. I mean, he left the game with an ankle injury and I think that was really what, you know, held him back. Not to mention the combination. I wasn't. I said before this game, I'm not playing him. And that was with a healthy C.J. anderson for the whole game because the Eagles rush defense is just unbelievable. So I'm definitely holding him. Are you cutting him, Andy? Trading him?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm willing to cut him if.

[Mike Wright]

No, if C.J. anderson was on the waivers, I'm willing.

[Andy Holloway]

To cut him if I need to get somebody else this week. I mean, he's been in low single digits three out of four weeks. He's sharing. He's a three. He's part of a three headed monster on a terrible offense and team is three and five and so I'm trying not to stay attached to him. I know you guys are more attached than I am.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. The thing about Rage cutting CJ Anderson, because that's my timeline, my tweets are hot with. I want to drop C.J. anderson. It's okay. Who are you going to pick up to replace CJ Anderson though? Who is still. Technically.

[Andy Holloway]

If I could get Damian Williams, I'd pick him up.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

Absolutely.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. One of the. One of the Dolphins running backs. Okay. But is there anyone else this week who is going to emerge as a hot waiver pickup or you're like, okay, I'm going to definitely drop C.J. anderson for that.

[Andy Holloway]

We can talk about that tomorrow and make that decision. He's not a cut in all circumstances. That would be foolish. Ryan Griffin concussed. Zach Ertz didn't play. Surprise. Not.

[Jason Moore]

I hope you paid attention on Sunday morning.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there were. It was crazy. Jameson Crowder didn't play. Jordan Reed didn't play. Jeremy Hill was a surprise. Inactive, got injured before in warm ups. And then Leonard Fournette, the big one. Leonard Fournette, he didn't take a picture with the team and so they wanted to jeopardize their season by benching him.

[Mike Wright]

Well, it was more than just the picture with the team. He had missed a couple of team meetings, continually arriving late to things, and then when he missed that, that picture was just kind of the icing on the cake. Yeah. And look, Doug Marone wants to establish a culture. Tom Coughlin is, you know, the old school, do it the right way. And this worked. I mean, they were able to run the ball just fine. They got the victory, and they sent a message saying, you're going to be part of the team. You're not getting superstar status like you did, I'm sure, you know, since sixth grade.

[Andy Holloway]

Since birth.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, since birth. And you came out weighing 32 pounds with a full mouth of teeth. So, yeah, I mean, I think it was a good move, but I'm happy that it was unrelated to the ankle injury. When I first saw that message come across and it said, Leonard Fournette out, I went, oh, no. But just suspended for conduct detrimental.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, if any. If you want a silver lining, it's another week for the ankle after he had the buy and the week before. So you were not happy if you were scrambling, and hopefully you had Ivory already as the Fournette owner, based on the injury history. But if you didn't, you were scrambling a little bit. And we need to pay attention next week, the AJ Green fight, specifically AJ Green, I would say it's at least 50, 50 that he gets suspended. His form was pretty decent on the double takedown.

[Jason Moore]

Takedown, the whole thing.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, he.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, he didn't get his hooks in, right.

[Mike Wright]

That's true.

[Jason Moore]

You got to get the hooks in. The. The punching to the back of the helmet. That's really bad form, right? I mean, what. I don't know what you're trying to do.

[Andy Holloway]

It hurts your hand.

[Mike Wright]

You got to go to the neck.

[Jason Moore]

Actually, I can't tell you from experience if it hurts your hand, because I'm not stupid enough to punch someone in the helmet.

[Mike Wright]

It's unbelievable.

[Jason Moore]

I'm just assuming that it hurts your hand.

[Mike Wright]

Every fight in the NFL, someone tries to punch a dude in the helmet. What are you doing?

[Jason Moore]

You gotta. You gotta rip the helmet off.

[Mike Wright]

The helmet off and go to the body.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, a headbutt. A headbutt would make sense.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Probably you'd both be concussed and then you'd miss a game.

[Mike Wright]

That way Akeem Talib has it right. I mean, I guess it's like, what else are you going to do? But we do not condone behavior regardless.

[Andy Holloway]

So fantasy footballers does not condone AJ Green.

[Jason Moore]

I think that he will be suspended because it's over the top. Yeah, it was over the top. I mean, you had anything like it. You had two body slams, two separate sessions of punching. It wasn't. I take him down to punching. Okay, the fight's over. It's. No, I'm getting back in the scrum and I'm going to continue to punch. So I think that Green will be.

[Mike Wright]

Suspended and body slam via rear naked. Yeah, it wasn't like, oh, I'm going to just come at you. It was like, I'm coming up behind you. I'm going to choke you. I'm going to slam you and punch you. It was so weird, too, because AJ Green is not. Has never recognized. Oh, Jalen Ramsey is just destroying people's brains. I mean, he is. He is getting in the head of opposing wide receivers and frustrating them to no end.

[Andy Holloway]

I want to circle back to cream hunt here. What percentage of snaps did he play in week nine?

[Jason Moore]

Do you know the answer? I do know. I don't know the exact number, but I know it was his lowest. It was in the mid-50s, I believe.

[Andy Holloway]

54% of snaps, lowest of the season. And there's some talk that they're limiting the rookies reps and that's, you know, you don't want to hit that rookie wall.

[Jason Moore]

Well, the by week could not come to at a better time.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, fair enough. All right, any other news that you guys want to talk about before we get into the studs?

[Jason Moore]

Just pay attention for a Mike Evans possible suspension. Jameis Winston completely instigated a fight, which Mike Evans came into back up his friend through punches, so he's under watch.

[Andy Holloway]

Friends don't let friends back you up and get suspended.

[Jason Moore]

Well, here's. Don't. Don't poke the bear in the back of the helmet.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know, whatever.

[Jason Moore]

Stop fighting. Stop fighting. Just play football.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that your parenting coming into play there?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it might be. Well, no, my parenting is to get the hooks in. You gotta have proper form.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

All hail Paul King Godfrey. Jared Goff. Have a game, son.

[Jason Moore]

Stream of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, stream of the week.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, I played him.

[Andy Holloway]

Where's your toot toot? There you go.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, I'm no Jason Moore with.

[Andy Holloway]

The toot toot, but you were right there. 14 for 22.

[Mike Wright]

3.

[Andy Holloway]

11.

[Mike Wright]

Really fair.

[Andy Holloway]

And 4 and I'll be darned. He even threw it to that former first rounder. What's his name again? Sammy Watkins.

[Mike Wright]

Oh yeah. How, how, how does that Sammy Stack taste today, Andy?

[Andy Holloway]

You could have gone with a really strong sandwich. Yeah, a sandwich.

[Mike Wright]

Ooh, how did you not see that?

[Andy Holloway]

It was there right before you.

[Mike Wright]

Man, I'm starving.

[Andy Holloway]

And with food.

[Mike Wright]

I know I let my fans down.

[Jason Moore]

And you Let your family down.

[Andy Holloway]

I was ready to come in and ridicule you on your Sammy Watkins height, but you know, a 90,000 yard pass, I mean, that ball, I can't stop watching that highlight golf. He lit it up. And this team is playing great. They're 6 and 2. They've got Arizona and Seattle playing head to head on Thursday night Football in Arizona. If by chance the Cardinals were to win that home game. I don't know who Seattle is right now. They're. One week they're amazing on offense. The next week they don't know what they're doing. They could have a 2, 3 game lead in this division. I mean, it's. It's been amazing to see the difference between Jeff Fisher and Sean McVay. I was going to ask more about Sean McVay or less or more about Jeff Fisher.

[Jason Moore]

I was going to ask, does Jeff Fisher watch these games and say, well, why couldn't they play like this when I was the coach?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm. Oh my goodness.

[Jason Moore]

Or does he go, wow, that's.

[Mike Wright]

I'm really bad.

[Jason Moore]

That's some innovative offense right there?

[Mike Wright]

No, he does the first. Here's the thing. I'm looking forward to next year when teams. There's a lot of coaches that need to be fired right now. I mean, a lot. And next year people are going to follow the trends that the Rams have set with Sean McVeigh and we're going to see like some 29 year old hired and thrown to the wolves. It reminds me of like the water boy where, oh, they get.

[Jason Moore]

What do they go get the.

[Mike Wright]

But yeah, I mean, Sean McVeigh, he's been great and kudos to the Rams. I was not a believer early, certainly not in the off season. Didn't even like the hiring of Sean McVeigh. I will happily eat the crow. They really look like a legitimate team. Son of bum. Managing the defense. And their scoring margin is the best in the league.

[Jason Moore]

I believe they're the highest scoring team in the league.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm saying the margin.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, no, yeah. It's been amazing. So Jared Goff, long term viability here, rest of season.

[Jason Moore]

Absolutely.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Absolutely.

[Andy Holloway]

Carson Wentz said, hey, come on down, Denver. Come into Philly, I'm gonna light you up. 199 and 4.

[Mike Wright]

Nobody throws four touchdowns on the Denver Broncos. But in fairness, he did lose his number one target before the game in Zach Ertz.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I bumped Carson wentz from about 6 to 10 before the game because Zach Ertz going down and Wentz said You're fool.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Trey Burton filled in nicely for Ertz, made a couple of big points.

[Andy Holloway]

Jeffrey had a game helping him out.

[Jason Moore]

And Carson Wentz, look, he played. He played pretty well. But this, I mean, his touchdown ratio is unbelievable. With 199 yards and four touchdowns. There's. Can he really keep this up? Can he keep this up for the rest of the year?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, he can.

[Jason Moore]

That's. These are like, you know, I mean, he's not going to be throwing outlier numbers.

[Mike Wright]

He's not going to be throwing four touchdowns game. But this is. The thing about this is you saw level up and you saw exactly what, you know, when we were talking about this matchup. The fact that he could find himself in short fields due to Brock Osweiler turnovers and have an easy touchdown where the yardage is low and the touchdowns are high. This was predictable. I mean, we literally predicted, I'm just.

[Jason Moore]

Saying, a 7.9 touchdown percent.

[Andy Holloway]

He's only thrown for more than 300 yards in three of the nine games that they've played. In the last four games, which he's had three touchdowns. Four, two, four. They've all been 268 yards or lower. And so, yes, Mike is right. Hyper efficient. I think a willingness to throw the ball in the red zone plays into that. The trust that they have in Carson Wentz is decisive in the red zone.

[Mike Wright]

Could JJ change that? Could that give them more of a.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think so. But look, I'm not going to doubt Carson Wentz. I don't think it's worth that discussion. He's going to end up being after this week, I believe, the number one quarterback in fantasy. I think he'll pass Alex Smith this week in total points. And it's just been impressive. Tyrod Taylor, Jay Cutler, Dak Prescott and Russell Wilson all had big stud muffin weeks. Jay Cutler, do you read anything into that 34 for 42 performance? Got Carolina, Tampa the next two weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Of course, Jay Cutler finally comes through the week after. He's coming back from his busted up.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Welcome to his whole career.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not Carolina. No. Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

But Tampa Bay, possibly Alvin Camara, Corey Clement, Mount Forte, a monster week. His first two touchdowns of the year. Gurley was great. Let's talk about Marshawn Lynch. Let's talk about Corey Clement. Clement was one of those players he sticks out. And we have our rising stars on the show today. And I was like, oh, maybe I should go with Corey Clement. I was like, no, yeah, he's gonna be My. Pump the brakes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Okay, good. He's. I think he's a great player. He succeeded. He over succeeded with the opportunities.

[Andy Holloway]

Never heard that one before.

[Jason Moore]

He's given over. Succeeded.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's the new thing.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, how would you phrase that?

[Andy Holloway]

Overperformed.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Nailed it.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

That was like. Oh, yeah, you try. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

That was like when you did the ping pong sound properly. Right.

[Jason Moore]

Whatever. Overperformed.

[Mike Wright]

Over succeeded.

[Jason Moore]

Tomato, tomato. Corey Clement was. He was great. But it was. JJ also over succeeded with his work and he's going to take over the starting job. So I'm not reading into this as.

[Andy Holloway]

That'S similar to our podcast. We've over succeeded here, certainly.

[Jason Moore]

And I will. The heels are already in, fellas.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. No, this is not going anywhere. We are going to over succeed for the rest of this season, that is for sure. Oh, yeah. Mom's going to be proud.

[Andy Holloway]

Marshawn lynch, two touchdowns and he actually ran well in this game. He was over for a carry, which for Marshawn, this season has been a struggle. They won the game. I think this was kind of a resurgence because if Lynch's carries kept going down, you saw some success from the other guys. But he was the best running back on the team last night.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he certainly was. But, I mean, it was a weird game for the Oakland Raiders. Their best wide receiver yesterday was not a wide receiver. It was Jared Cook, tight end, I mean, who was balled out. But it was just. It was a strange game. But Marshawn lynch, hopefully this has convinced people now that you, Marshall, you can't drop him.

[Andy Holloway]

Right? No, that's. That's a great point.

[Jason Moore]

And I know it's easy to say that after a big game, but coming into this, we were saying you just. You can't drop people like Marshawn lynch, who, even though they're underperforming right now, they're still giving you points. And those kinds of points and opportunities at the running back position are very hard to find.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, he's Anderson.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, exactly.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Rob Kelly, two touchdowns. He's in the same category where I, you know, he needed to be rostered. People sometimes question that's who they want to run the ball in Washington, just to be clear, that's who they want to run the ball. It's just a matter of getting him healthy.

[Jason Moore]

P. Ryan had another incident, a fumbling incident. Yeah, he was actually getting in because Rob Kelly was. He's still dealing with that ankle injury the team talked about. Okay, we're going to limit his. Rob Kelly's reps against Seattle. It's a brutal match. P. Ryan actually got in the game, which if you look back through their other games, when Rob Kelly and Chris Thompson are handling work, P. Ryan doesn't see the field. And then there was a fumbling incident during a handoff. And then it was Rob Kelly time again. They forced him back out.

[Andy Holloway]

Adrian Peterson, also known as the new Cedric Benson, 37 carries, 159 yards. He actually lined up as a wide receiver on a play, caught a pass, two for eight and targets.

[Mike Wright]

Did you know that that was Adrian Peterson's career high in carries? That's insane.

[Andy Holloway]

Give him more. I don't want to stand throwing the ball in Arizona.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he's going to be Seattle. Yeah. Not only Seattle next week, but. I'm sorry, Adrian Peterson after 37 carries in a short week. Stop. Or Thursday night. No, no, no.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm playing him on Thursday. No doubt.

[Mike Wright]

No chance. I will. I'm writing it down right now. AP Pump breaks.

[Andy Holloway]

He will have 30 plus carries in that game.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know if they'll have the opportunity. I don't know if they'll be able to. They'll want to.

[Andy Holloway]

We'll have a. I mean, look, it's. Yes, it's Seattle, but it's the games in Arizona, and Adrian Peterson is the entirety of this offense. They're going to give him every single chance. And you saw. Here's what you saw with Adrian Peterson in this 49er game. Yes, we expected success against the 49ers. He wasn't having success early the first half of this game. He wasn't having a lot of success. He wore the defense down in the prototypical. And then he had 18 yard run, 25 yard, chunk, chunk, chunk.

[Mike Wright]

He had 78 yards at halftime rushing. So I think he was doing just fine in the first half.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but the big runs all came in the second half.

[Jason Moore]

Well, because that's what Adrian Peterson does. Just. Will. Will the Cardinals be able to go with that game script against the Seahawks?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Damian Williams, Kenyon Drake, talk about him.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Look, this is for better or worse. I think that part of it was the matchup. Okay. You're going up against Oakland, who has not been a very good defense at all through the, you know, the passing game or the. Or the rushing game. And so we don't want to overreact here. We don't want to say, okay, these two guys are weekly starters for sure. But I think this was a good move to get rid of Jay AJAYI to open up the offense because they weren't using Jay Ajayi in the passing game the way that Adam Gase and the way that Jay Cutler used to use with Matt Forte. They don't run him that way. Both backs now were used that way. Kenyon Drake had six receptions and he wasn't the leader in receptions. That was Damian Williams with seven receptions out of the backfield. That's a whole different style of offense that worked for Jay Cutler.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, Damian was six, two.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he was.

[Mike Wright]

He just had.

[Jason Moore]

He just had more. Yeah, they were both six receptions. Damian Williams had more yardage and the touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I mean, where's the touchdown? 12 receptions out of the backfield. That was a beast. You can't see with Jay Ajite.

[Jason Moore]

That was a beast. Touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

I guess we'll be talking a little bit more about Damian Williams here in a minute. Ty Hilton went. Yeah, be nanas.

[Jason Moore]

By the way, great to see Ty Hilton come back. Also playing the role of the possum. That was amazing on that incredible touchdown where he does the jump cut, lay.

[Andy Holloway]

Down, the defense passes him by and then he gets up and runs.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. To have the actual awareness to be laying there and not hear the whistle because, I mean, you're down as a football player, the defense around you, I feel like your instincts is gonna be okay. Let's regroup next play. But to actually get up and run.

[Andy Holloway]

That'S good on the official for not blowing.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it was.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, guys, is there anywhere to go.

[Mike Wright]

To have a chance to win a signed to you by Hilton jersey?

[Andy Holloway]

That'd be really cool.

[Mike Wright]

It's good.

[Jason Moore]

Are you.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you in the market, Brooks? Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I'll tell you what, you go to footclangiveaway.com I'll give you one if you win.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

You're welcome. Thanks, guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Thanks, Brooks. Doug Baldwin, look, he's apparently, according to this, he's got 70, 77 receptions for 108 yards.

[Jason Moore]

Brooks, you come in here, you get to hype up the Foot Clan giveaway, and we go immediately into a horrifying mistake.

[Andy Holloway]

Unfortunately, only 1.4 yards per catch on those 77 receptions. So he has 108 yards and a touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

I.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, Baldwin's one of my favorite second half players every year. Yeah, every year is true. But I mean, we said this last week, like, I'm just really excited for Baldwin. We said, don't overreact.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

To Paul Richardson. At least that was my take, was don't overreact to Paul Richardson. Richardson had a Down week. But Baldwin's always involved. He always finds his. If you play against Doug Baldwin, it's really annoying, which I've had to do multiple times this year. And because he's always open, I mean, he just gets open. I don't understand how he disappears in the secondary.

[Jason Moore]

Every time I see him on my opponent's team, I know that Doug Baldwin's going to go off. He just. It always happens.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. DeAndre Hopkins put together a game six for 86 and a touchdown. Almost had a second touchdown multiple times. At the end of that game, Tom Savage finally threw one. So he hung it on the wall, put that ball on the wall.

[Jason Moore]

It took. Is this accurate? Are these target numbers correct? I'm going to vet these.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

It took 16 targets to get his six reception.

[Mike Wright]

And to be honest, it's going to take that every single week because Tom Savage is horrific. He is as bad a quarterback as is in the league right now. I mean, he. He's immobile. He. I mean, when I was watching the game. Andy, you were watching the game for the. The first 90% of the game, you felt like you lost DeAndre Hopkins. You're. You're a Hopkins owner. Because Tom Savage can't get him the ball, you know, in a good enough, you know, way for him to catch the ball, make a play on the ball. Yes, he had a great touchdown reception, but I don't think you're going to want to bank on Hopkins getting a touchdown every week from Tom Savage, who threw his first touchdown of his career.

[Andy Holloway]

Savage was. He threw 19 for 44, 43% completion percentage.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man. And this was a good matchup against the.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's a kind of a mixed bag of emotions with the Hopkins thing because, I mean, the fact he got to throw the ball that many times, the fact that Hopkins had 16 targets, I mean, I'd rather have him 16 targets, even if he only catches six, than, you know, pulling those targets down. And all of a sudden, yeah, certainly not relevant.

[Jason Moore]

But Rams, Arizona, Baltimore, that's the next three matchup for Hopkins. Would you try to sell high on DeAndre Hopkins right now?

[Mike Wright]

Absolutely freaking lutely. I mean, if I had DeAndre Hopkins, I'm selling him. I'm so thrilled he caught that touchdown because now you can sell him. I mean, that's the way that I view it. Andy, you have Hopkins. Do you. Would you rather rely on him in your roster from here on out or try to trade him for a somewhat equal asset that has a better quarterback?

[Andy Holloway]

I would try to Trade him. I mean, his playoff schedule, you got Jacksonville Pittsburgh in it. Mixed together with Savage, mixed together with these upcoming matchups, he may have afforded you the ability to sell him because of this game. Unfortunately, I agree with you, Alshon. Jeffrey had a game. Julio Jones had a game and he should have had a better game.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, my goodness.

[Jason Moore]

Holy. No, no. I mean, that was unbelievable.

[Mike Wright]

You have to Google it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. If you have not seen Julio Jones touchdown bomb drop. Oh, man.

[Mike Wright]

You don't get more open heart than Julio was. And Matt Ryan threw a ball that was a rainbow. I mean, this is the easiest type of ball to catch unless you've got. If you've got a defender near you, it's going to be very difficult because the defender is going to have an easy time catching the ball too. It's a lob and he's wide open. No defender near him in the end zone and just drops it. And turns out that was the game. They lost this game by a point margin. That would, that they would have won the game if they had another touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

How about that, Elson? Jeffrey?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah, sorry. I pumped the brakes and. Sorry. Wow. I feel bad about that 1.

[Andy Holloway]

Robert Woods, 4 for 70 and two touchdowns on five targets. Pump the brakes. Candidate or somebody you believe in, you.

[Jason Moore]

Got to pump the brakes on that level of production. But like I said with Goff, long term sustainability and because he has some very good matchups coming up. So Robert woods is worth it.

[Andy Holloway]

Evan Ingram had Another good game, 4 for 70 and a touchdown on 10 targets for the Giants with Sterling Shepard back. However, I have a teeny weensy bit of concern for Evan Angrel and it's connected to Eli Manning and his potential benching. Because if this team is going, if this team ends up going the way it's going, they may want to see Davis Webb to see what they have in Davis Webb. And if that happens, I'm not saying Ingram is going to be irrelevant, but you're going to have a little bit of a. Just a variable there that I'm not excited about. That being said, you're just, you're locked and loaded. You're playing. Evan Ingram, Jared Cook, Travis Kelsey, Julius Thomas all had good weeks. What do you think of the Thomas game? Six for 84. I mean, it seemed like everybody in Miami had a nice week except for they lost. I mean, didn't it seem that way? Cutler Landry had a, you know, Landry.

[Jason Moore]

By the way, Landry was, wasn't the. He had the touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

He's also just broke the Record for the most receptions ever in your first four years.

[Mike Wright]

Congratulations.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

Parker didn't kill you.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, Thomas, Williams, Drake.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, no, maybe this is a better Dolphins. You know, once you send a message as a coach, that helps. That being said again, Oakland Raiders defense.

[Andy Holloway]

What was the message? That I'll trade you away.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's literally the message.

[Jason Moore]

The message is you buy in or you're not playing.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Or we'll ship you out and doing it to a Pro bowl player like jj. I think that it does send a pretty strong message.

[Andy Holloway]

Get out the way, Kelvin Benjamin. Get out of the way, Jai.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's what he's saying.

[Andy Holloway]

We didn't talk about Christian McCaffrey. Christian McCaffrey. I'll circle back to that and then we'll get into our rising stars. But Christian McCaffrey, he actually ran the ball.

[Mike Wright]

Got it rushing touch. First of his career.

[Andy Holloway]

Over four carry. So let's get into the rising stars.

[Mike Wright]

Raising canes, Rising stars of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, who wants to kick it off?

[Mike Wright]

Michael Keaton.

[Andy Holloway]

Do it.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to go.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

Second.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, then I'll take it from here because we've talked about him enough already. Damian Williams is my rising star. Look, I love Kenyon Drake. Kenyon Drake is a guy that I think is a talented running back.

[Jason Moore]

He was the better rb.

[Mike Wright]

He was the much better running back. You saw him on that 40 yard rush. It was great. But the thing is, is with Kenyon Drake, everybody bought Kenyon Drake and they spent up for him. He was the number one waiver wire pick this last week. And you weren't too. I mean, you were happy with it, but Damian Williams was the starter. He came in and he got the opening drive and he was much more involved in the passing game and in passing downs. Before the game got to the situation where you were down two scores, it was Kenyon Drake's turn. They were kind of rotating series and then Kenyon Drake was involved in the passing game because every play was a pass. But I actually believe from just watching the film that Damian Williams is the passing downs back and that passing work will make him a little bit safer because I don't think the Dolphins are good. I think the Dolphins are, you know, at best a middle of the pack team. And so my point is not even that Damian Williams is going to definitely be better than Kenyon Drake, but he's rising to me because I think Damian Williams stinks. And genuinely, I mean, there's the elephant in the room.

[Andy Holloway]

I was waiting for No, I mean, I was going to ask you. You got to address your, you know, season long.

[Mike Wright]

Nothing has changed.

[Jason Moore]

Not season long.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. This is life.

[Jason Moore]

Multiple years.

[Mike Wright]

Multiple years. Damian Williams is not a good running back. He stinks. I mean, that's just, that's just. Sorry. That's life. He got seven carries. He got 14 yards out of those seven carries. It's the passing work that is making me as a fantasy owner say, oh, he's rising. To me, I think this is going to be a guy you can plug in and play and rely on. And that is, I mean, when I say that about Damian Williams, he's a rocket. If I think you can somewhat rely on him, then he is shooting up like, you know, crazy.

[Jason Moore]

Does that make sense? All right. You always make.

[Mike Wright]

Mike, Mike, you said you're second.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going with King Godfrey. 311. Four Touch. Oh, three eleven. Didn't even make that band reference right there. Four Touch. I apologize. I didn't make the connection until I still had to sing the song. Gets Houston, Minnesota, you don't love it so much, but. But we're seeing quarterbacks who are playing well, dominating in even these tough matchups and gets the Saints, Arizona, Philadelphia. If you picked him up to stream him, I think you have a long term solution here at the quarterback position. Rams are the highest scoring offense in the league. It's been an incredible turnaround for that team. And I'm just, I'm bought in. I'm bought into King Godfrey. Ian, we lovingly call him that because he is our nemesis. But he's good. He's good for your fancy team.

[Andy Holloway]

Right now I'm throwing Cole Beasley's name out there and I think he's going to be. People are going to pay attention to him because of the two touchdowns. And that's not why I'm throwing him out there. I'm throwing him out there because DEZ Bryant rolled up that ankle and Terrence Williams rolled up that ankle. And if Williams is fine, you can probably slide Terence Williams name in place of Beasley for the rising star of the week. Williams set one of his best games of his career, 141 yards receiving in this game. But if both of those players are hurt, then Cole Beasley is just a necessity to that offense and he is used around the goal line when, you know, when Des is off the field. And so I think Cole Beasley is somebody that you might be able to play in place of a suspended AJ Green or a bi week Michael Crabtree, whatever situation. You're facing this week.

[Mike Wright]

Raising Kings Rising stars of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

Whoo.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I think it's almost impossible to tell you how scared that just.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no. If you're watching YouTube, you could see Mike just rock it six feet back.

[Andy Holloway]

I almost pooped myself.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, I'm sure some of the listeners did.

[Andy Holloway]

Every single one of the hairs on my body are standing in attention.

[Mike Wright]

If you are listening and you pooped yourself, we are going to need an email.

[Jason Moore]

I don't need to exercise today. My heart rate is way up.

[Andy Holloway]

I am so sorry that Brooks did that.

[Jason Moore]

What's funny? Funny, whatever. Interesting is Cole Beasley, right? Six targets, four receptions, 24 yards and two touchdowns. We've seen this game before. It's called six targets for four receptions, 23 yards and two touchdowns earlier in the year. Yeah, against Green Bay. It's like the identical stat line except for one yard.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, if that last sound drop doesn't make you aware, those were the Raising Canes Rising stars of the week. Remember that? Game day tastes better with Raising Cane's tailgates full of fresh 24 hour marinated hand battered chicken fingers and fresh brewed sweet tea. Visit raising canes.com to find your nearest location. I'm gonna push the button. 3, 2, 1.

[Mike Wright]

Pooped in his big boy pants.

[Andy Holloway]

It doesn't matter if we've done 45060 shows. There's still room for improvement.

[Jason Moore]

My soul left my body.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my God.

[Jason Moore]

I'm sure there's a freeze frame in there where you can see it.

[Andy Holloway]

I can't wait to see the YouTube. All right. Hey, let's poop our pants. Andy Dalton. Kirk Cousins against Denver. I'm sorry, against. Kirk Cousins was up against Seattle.

[Jason Moore]

To be fair, we expected both of these, but Kirk Cousins came up clutch with Josh. Dachshund won the game.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that was. That was big time. Hard to do that up in Seattle, come back and win a game. Andy dalton. Hey there. 10 for 18, 136 yards. AJ Green leaving didn't help. AJ Green being there didn't help. And Andy Dalton is now a. You play him against his Cleveland matchup. Probably that's. He's a Cleveland Only three weeks.

[Jason Moore]

You make the. The Christmas. The. The chain link calendar where you tear them off every single week.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

And you're counting down until Cleveland. So make three rings, ladies and gentlemen, and then you get to play Andy Dalton.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, he's. He's at home right around Thanksgiving and that's his. He's going to gobble up points that one game, that'll be it.

[Mike Wright]

If he's, if he's the starter.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, he'll be the starter, all right.

[Andy Holloway]

Running backs, you were hurting if you started, Lashawn McCoy if you were starting Doug Martin, Kareem Hunt, Devonte Freeman, this is the first time this has happened. 11:46, but he didn't get in the end zone and it hurt your fantasy team. Chris Thompson barely saw the field. Really. 4 for 24 for 11 in the passing game just didn't come to fruition. And DeMarco Murray, I want to talk about him because he's one of my favorite second half guys. But if you look at this game, he was banged up again. He left the field, went back into the medical tent. There was a period of time when he probably would have been on the field where Derrick Henry got on the field around the goal line. All that being said, despite being off the field for a period of the game, he still outperformed Derrick Henry again in total yardage. And so this backfield, their lack of dependency on the run this year compared to last year, it is a little bit concerning.

[Mike Wright]

The next two weeks are not good.

[Andy Holloway]

Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, then you got Indianapolis and Houston. I still really like DeMarco Murray towards the end of this year, going up against the 49ers in your first playoff matchup. But it does give you some pause because he cannot stay healthy right now. So what do you do? Do you do start him next week or do you. Because, you know, he had the injury, maybe he's on the field more. What do you think is the situation that these fantasy owners should, you know, what should he be doing? What should they be doing?

[Mike Wright]

I mean, I think the next two weeks with tough matchups against Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, that he's going to be one of those. He's not an RB1 and he's not an RB2. He's a flex consideration. Play as you watch his health, his practice reports because, you know, you say, okay, he was banged up this last game, he missed a chunk of the game. Maybe he'll play the whole game and be better this next time. But the narrative can also be he's banged up and he keeps getting banged up and he's not getting healthy and he could miss parts of the next game or, you know, just get fewer carries in order to protect his health. Right now this is the division leading Tennessee Titans and so they are thinking playoffs. They are thinking a little bit longer term right now, the next two weeks. I'm not wanting to play DeMarco Murray until he looks healthy. I agree with you, Andy. By the season's end he should be good. He's, he's the clear cut starter, lead back. He's not in a 50, 50 timeshare here but his health has not been there and he's, you know, getting up there in total career volume and usage and age. So to think that oh well, by the season's end he will be healthy might be a mistake.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

C.G.

[Andy Holloway]

Anderson, Jamal Charles and Devonte Booker, none of them offered you fantasy value in that backfield. So let's put, you know, moving forward, would you still rather roster Anderson? Of all those three, I would.

[Jason Moore]

Of the three of them, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Alex Collins kind of laid an egg 13 for 43. How's the bye week coming up? Is he droppable? If you need another piece, if you.

[Mike Wright]

Need another piece because of the bye week and I think the timing will allow for Woodhead to come back. I would be willing to, but I'm not, I'm not. I like personally I wouldn't have some shares of Collins. I'm not going to drop him. I'm just saying if there's an, if there's a bi week need and he's on by then, you do what you have to do.

[Jason Moore]

Have you guys seen anything about Doug Martin?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he left the field I think with eight minutes left or something like that in the third quarter and never played again.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but I'm saying like was he got benched. It wasn't a, it wasn't an injury.

[Jason Moore]

All right, well, just checking for injury.

[Andy Holloway]

And just, I mean that's a major concern.

[Jason Moore]

If just the benching was, was performance related or if there was something else going on that we don't know about. But I mean 8 for 8 for 7.

[Mike Wright]

It'S tough in the streets.

[Andy Holloway]

You're entertained by that line there because that's impossible.

[Jason Moore]

That just seems impossible for Doug Martin to run 8%.

[Andy Holloway]

I can see Trent Richardson in the corner winking. When you said that's impossible. Hold my beard. You were there. Jonathan Stewart had a game 11 for 21 with two fumbles. Thanks, Jonathan.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

LeGarrett Blunt, 9 for 37. What do you do with Blunt?

[Jason Moore]

He will be replaced by Ji.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Blunt or Clement rest of the season?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that's an excellent question because maybe.

[Andy Holloway]

They play Clement on third down.

[Jason Moore]

I think, I think I meant. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike Evans, one catch. A.J. green, one catch Emmanuel Sanders, one catch. Dante Moncrief. Wait, did Emmanuel Sanders be in here?

[Mike Wright]

Did Emmanuel Sanders throw any punches that was the trend.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, I don't think so.

[Jason Moore]

But one catch, one black eye.

[Andy Holloway]

Will Fuller return to earth because Savage joined the team?

[Mike Wright]

He had two receptions on eight targets.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, 25% is about what you can expect on your targets from now on.

[Jason Moore]

My goodness.

[Andy Holloway]

So moving forward, you know, you're not really worried about AJ Green or Mike Evans as long as they're on the field. What about Emmanuel Sanders with that quarterback situation? I mean, Brock Osweiler, he's not good. They said Paxton lynch might start next week.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I worry. I mean, you know, look, I've kind of supported CJ Anderson, but the reason I've said that is because he is still the starter at running back in general. Your point, Andy? That this is a bad offense? It's just true. I'm not really excited about Emmanuel Sanders. Demarius Thomas had a good game, but I'm not in love with Demaryius Thomas either or the running backs because this quarterback situation is a nightmare. So I don't think you can trade Emmanuel Sanders right now. But I'm not sure I want to start him with Brock Osweiler. And then if Paxton lynch comes in, you know, you will have to go back and watch the tape of the few games we've seen with Paxton lynch to see, you know, what are his tendencies and then report back after that.

[Jason Moore]

Air mailing. Air mailing the ball is his tendency.

[Andy Holloway]

You had several players that had big weeks previously. Nelson Aguilar, Paul Richardson. They didn't perform this week. Corey Davis. Corey Davis caught two passes for 28 yards on five targets. He did have 75% snap share and is clearly the starter there, even though Decker and Matthews outperformed him rest of season. Which wide receiver would you rather have in Tennessee? Because I would still lean. I would rather have Corey Davis than any of those three players.

[Mike Wright]

I would as well.

[Jason Moore]

Between Davis and Matthews, that's a tough call. I probably still lean Matthews.

[Mike Wright]

And then you had Crabtree and Cooper both. Both have a down game. They weren't. They weren't horrifically disappointing. The way that Cooper can go just completely.

[Jason Moore]

Well, the four targets for Crabtree is extremely disappointing. And it was at the beginning of the game, it seemed like they were. When they were going too wide. It was. It would be Patterson and Cooper. I mean, it was really strange. I know that Crabtree's snap counts by the end of the game, still over 80%. It was just. The usage was very strange. And the four targets for Derek Carr's go to wide receiver. Like. Like we said, everything just Went to Jarrett Cook.

[Mike Wright]

Jared Cook should have been in our rising stars. I mean, the next three weeks he's facing the 24th best passing be against tight end. Then the 30th, then the 32nd. So is he going to game?

[Jason Moore]

Is he playing the Giants?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's the 32nd. Oh, man. Yeah. Exactly three weeks from now. Make now you need another one of those Christmas ring things.

[Andy Holloway]

Take off those and tomorrow we do have our waiver show. I'm looking forward to talking about some of these guys. You know, one of the players that I think is interesting with Garcon going down is Marquis Goodwin. The targets were there yesterday. He's actually, it's crazy.

[Jason Moore]

He's.

[Andy Holloway]

He's near the top of the league in inside the 10 targets. Marquis Goodwin, the guy that you look at as a deep threat only, but he's like kind of the only guy there right now that's a San Francisco wide receiver. You know, he's in that. He's like clumped together with like DEZ Bryant, Chris Hogan, Deandre Hopkins, Rob Gronkowski and there's Marquis Goodwin out of nowhere with these inside the 10 targets. But we'll talk a lot about some options. You know, more bye weeks next week and we'll get into the waiver wire and some of these other players. If you didn't hear us talk about them today, I'm sure we'll bring them up tomorrow. You can let us know if you have a question on twitter@the ff ballers on the website the fantasy footballers.com Good luck in your games tonight. If your weekly matchup is depending on a Aaron Jones, Jordy Nelson man, then good luck to you. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

It'll be an interesting game tonight. This one's in Lambeau Field and so the Lions are two point favorites. We'll see what Brett Henley has after a couple of weeks of practice and getting a chance in that offense. You guys have any parting words?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. This is the type of game where I hope you are already up and hoping that your opponent does not score enough points as opposed to being down. Catching up and saying I want to catch up in tonight's game. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I want to see what, what kind of workload Aaron Jones gets tonight. That'll be fun.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, it will be.

[Andy Holloway]

Check out draft.comballers if you want to play some DFS with us each and every week and we'll talk to you tomorrow.

[Jason Moore]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

Thanks for listening. Bye.

[Mike Wright]

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