Fantasy Football 2018 - Browns Browns Browns! Free Agency + Big News

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary Episode: Fantasy Football 2018 - Browns Browns Browns! Free Agency + Big News
Release Date: March 13, 2018

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1. Introduction to Episode Highlights

In this milestone episode (#530) of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright delve deep into the latest free agency movements, with a special focus on the Cleveland Browns. The episode is brimming with expert analysis, strong opinions, and actionable fantasy football advice to help listeners dominate their leagues.

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2. Special Feature: Browns Memorabilia Display (00:41 - 02:24)

The trio kicks off the show by celebrating their 530th episode with a Browns-themed special. They commend Brooks for curating a display of their NFL memorabilia on YouTube, highlighting the passion and dedication they have for the team.

Notable Quote:

Jason Moore (01:02): "And what a special show it is, a Browns special."

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3. Free Agency News

a. DeMarco Murray Released by Titans (06:03 - 07:38)

The Tennessee Titans released running back DeMarco Murray after a subpar season where he amassed 659 rushing yards and six touchdowns. The hosts discuss the implications for the Titans' backfield and speculate on future signings, such as Jerick McKinnon.

Notable Quote:

Jason Moore (07:09): "I think he will probably be right around that cusp. If I had to bet, I would bet RB2. High end. RB2."

b. Adrian Peterson Released by Cardinals (08:37 - 09:18)

The Arizona Cardinals released veteran running back Adrian Peterson, leaving fans uncertain about his future in the league. The hosts express skepticism about Peterson continuing his career without a team.

Notable Quote:

Jason Moore (08:51): "He is already putting news out that his neck is fully healed. He wants to prove that he still got it and he's got the name to sell a few tickets or, you know..."

c. Buccaneers Sign Mike Evans and Cameron Brate (09:29 - 12:35)

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers made significant moves by signing wide receivers Mike Evans and Cameron Brate to multi-year contracts. The hosts analyze the fantasy implications, noting Evans' reliability and questioning Brate's long-term viability compared to O.J. Howard.

Notable Quote:

Mike Wright (12:32): "They're looking at Jerick McKinnon or a guy like that signing with the Titans. They are not going to have Derek Henry get the workload..."

d. Other Transactions: Adam Humphries and Torrey Smith (12:58 - 24:08)

The Buccaneers tendered Adam Humphries, raising questions about his role alongside established stars like Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. Additionally, the Carolina Panthers acquired wide receiver Torrey Smith from the Eagles, prompting discussions on his fantasy value in a revamped offense.

Notable Quote:

Mike Wright (23:25): "This is a very interesting move. I want to hear your take. You've had a chance now to digest the Jarvis Landry move."

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4. 49ers Big Moves: Richard Sherman and Pierre Garcon (13:50 - 15:19)

The San Francisco 49ers signed veteran cornerback Richard Sherman and re-signed wide receiver Pierre Garcon. The hosts evaluate Sherman’s fit within the team’s defensive schemes and Garcon's potential impact on the receiving corps, considering his substantial contract.

Notable Quote:

Jason Moore (15:19): "So I think goodwin will fill the role that he was meant to fill, which is to stretch the field on each and every play."

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5. Steelers and Le'Veon Bell Controversy (18:29 - 20:25)

A heated discussion unfolds around running back Le'Veon Bell's contract situation with the Pittsburgh Steelers. The hosts debate whether the Steelers should franchise Bell or let him walk, weighing his performance against the team's offensive dynamics and the broader devaluation of the running back position in fantasy football.

Notable Quote:

Andy Holloway (19:56): "Look, but at the same time, I love Le'Veon Bell and I think that he is the best running back in football."

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6. Bengals Acquire Cordy Glenn from Bills (27:38 - 28:39)

The Cincinnati Bengals made a pivotal trade, acquiring left tackle Cordy Glenn from the Buffalo Bills. The hosts discuss the trade’s significance in strengthening the Bengals' offensive line and its impact on Joe Mixon’s performance.

Notable Quote:

Jason Moore (28:20): "And speaking in terms of the Buffalo Bills, this is certainly the beginning of the climb as they trying to get into the top five to draft one of these quarterbacks."

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7. Cleveland Browns’ Acquisition of Jarvis Landry (35:44 - 42:34)

A major segment focuses on the Cleveland Browns trading for wide receiver Jarvis Landry. The hosts critically assess Landry’s fantasy value within the Browns’ offense, highlighting the potential challenges he may face in adapting to a new team dynamic with limited passing targets.

Notable Quotes:

Jason Moore (38:31): "This isn't like oh, he's got 110 targets. Last year there wasn't a single Brown who had 100 targets on the team."

Andy Holloway (38:20): "But last year, nine touchdowns, that was an outlier and it's not happening with Cleveland."

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8. Discussion on Quarterback Strategies in Fantasy (56:30 - 58:31)

In the mailbag segment, listeners pose questions about drafting quarterbacks and keeper league strategies. The hosts advise against drafting top quarterbacks in early rounds, emphasizing the depth at the position and the advantage of finding value in later rounds.

Notable Quote:

Jason Moore (58:01): "Over 40 quarterbacks put up at least one quarterback, one performance because you can stream."

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9. Mailbag Highlights (51:22 - 57:22)

Listener Paulie the Ravioli submits a two-part question about personal preferences and fantasy football strategy. The hosts engage humorously, answering both his ravioli sauce preference and his fantasy quarterback dilemma.

Notable Quote:

Jason Moore (52:35): "If it's ravioli, it's white sauce."

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10. Conclusion and Community Engagement (59:05 - End)

As the episode wraps up, the hosts express gratitude towards their listeners and promote their community resources, including their website and social media channels. They reiterate their commitment to providing valuable fantasy football insights and tease upcoming shows.

Notable Quote:

Jason Moore (59:14): "Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast."

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Key Takeaways

• Cleveland Browns Focus: The acquisition of Jarvis Landry signifies a major move, but his fantasy value may decline due to the Browns’ limited passing game.
• Free Agency Moves: Significant releases and signings, including DeMarco Murray, Adrian Peterson, Mike Evans, and Cameron Brate, reshape several teams and their fantasy outlooks.
• Strategic Drafting: Emphasis on drafting quarterbacks in later rounds to maximize value and leverage the depth at the position.
• Player Contracts: Understanding the implications of contracts and tenders, especially for key players like Adam Humphries, can influence fantasy strategies.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

To all you sports fans. Did you know you can stream this podcast on Spotify right now? It's easy. Open the app on your mobile device or desktop, click on the Browse channel, then click on the podcast section. You can also stream on your smart speakers. Now it's that much easier for you to stay up to date on all the latest and greatest in all things sports and fantasy footballers. Thanks to Spotify.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from Draft.com Studios with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

Ah, we're doing another show. Another show still going 5:30. This is show 530. Doesn't it feel more like five? Doesn't it feel more like 535 or something at least? No, that's not a joke. That's the real number according to what Brooks put in the the show doc here.

[Jason Moore]

And what a special show it is, a Browns special.

[Mike Wright]

It's taking us 530 shows to do.

[Jason Moore]

A Brown special to finally discuss so what Brooks did and shout out to the judge, Judge Giamatti, him himself, Brooks like a professional. And you can go to the YouTube to view this. He gathered all of because we collect NFL memorabilia and he collected all of our Browns memorabilia and put it front and center on.

[Andy Holloway]

It's all on display right now.

[Jason Moore]

You go check it out on YouTube and you can see all of our good work. Browns love it.

[Mike Wright]

Took me a long time did it get it all. Set it up.

[Jason Moore]

Check it out.

[Mike Wright]

Where's my Hugh Jackson autograph picture? Did we not get that in yet? That was the final blow to Gus Bradley. Was I purchased on ebay?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, if you want $6 guys, if you want an autographed picture of a coach who will need a job next season, you can go ahead and buy one for Hugh Jackson.

[Mike Wright]

Let's just. We'll get to that. We'll get to the Browns part of the show very soon. We have tons of news. In fact, we're recording this around 5:30 Eastern Time on Monday afternoon and evening. So there will likely be some news that we don't talk about on the show. And the good thing is show 531 is coming on Thursday.

[Andy Holloway]

So there's another one.

[Mike Wright]

We'll talk about it.

[Jason Moore]

I will say this, that show makes sure you don't miss because that will be the real signings that the NFL free agency period. Right now we're in the ridiculous tampering time where they can talk, they can flirt a little.

[Mike Wright]

Rumors team.

[Jason Moore]

Oh no, it's a blast. But I'm just saying the packers are going to sign everybody on Thursday, Thursday's show. We're going to start actually having legitimate real news for you.

[Mike Wright]

So yeah, it's going to be great. Well, probably fair warning, the Thursday show will probably be out a little later in the morning than normal because we're gonna wait. We're probably gonna record it Thursday morning.

[Jason Moore]

Correct.

[Mike Wright]

So that way we have the latest and greatest by way of news. So what else is going on? The Ultimate Draft Kit. You can get that on pre sale right now. Ultimate Draft kit dot com. It's gonna be great. Once again, Matt Harmon's already dropping some of that reception perception knowledge. The James Washington article is either out or will be out by the time you hear this. Footclangiveaway.com we're giving away a signed Todd Gurley in Lev Bell jersey so you can check that out. And what else is going on? We're gonna do a show after the show today.

[Jason Moore]

What?

[Mike Wright]

Over on YouTube.

[Jason Moore]

Yet another reason.

[Mike Wright]

It's a show that we'll do right after this show. And let's jump into the quick question keeper or I'm sorry, keeping the league fun. That is the name of this question from Nick in San Diego. Real simple. He says, how can I, as a commissioner make sure that my league mates stay active and have a good time throughout the entirety of the year?

[Jason Moore]

This is, you know, look, this is a question of camaraderie. This is a question of friendship. So I would say first of all, if you can, and there's nothing wrong with an online draft, but if you can always start the league with a live draft, you know, that event, bringing people together, I think it really, it's always a good time. People get to know each other a little bit better while they're all in person. One guy ends up getting made fun of the entire draft. You can rally around that moment and you miss some of that with online drafts, which I look, online draft's still fun, but I think that's, you know, or maybe you put other events but like try to get the humans together. Irl.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, wow.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, that's what the kids say.

[Mike Wright]

Mike, you got anything to contribute there?

[Andy Holloway]

Know your audience and for some the thing that speaks to them is in fact money. So if you are in a money league and you're not having a weekly payout for high score every single week, that can help keep people motivated because if you only have a prize pool for first through third, if I'm out of the playoffs, you're out. What am I doing?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, and you asked the question, you're the commissioner. How can you make it better? I always enjoy doing things like weekly power rankings and writing up articles and writing up Player of the week, the podcast. I say we started this show. Believe it or not, the first podcast Mike and I ever did together was not the fantasy footballers. It was a podcast just for our league so that we could rip on people's trades.

[Andy Holloway]

That's right. It was fantastic.

[Mike Wright]

It was okay. It was just okay.

[Andy Holloway]

I always had a great time doing it.

[Mike Wright]

That's all that matters.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league.

[Mike Wright]

As opposed to News and notes from Cleveland, which is a completely different segment on today's show.

[Andy Holloway]

Find your comfy chair.

[Jason Moore]

This is really. There's a lot of news, news and notes from around the league except Cleveland.

[Mike Wright]

Right. And then there will be news and notes from around the league only. Ohio, right?

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Ohio.

[Mike Wright]

Let's start here. The Titans have released DeMarco Murray. He turned 30 in February last year. Not a good year. 184 rushes for 659 yards and just six touchdowns. 3.6 a clip. Not a good year. Banged up throughout the year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he had. He had hamstring problems the entirety of the season. And hamstring problems are rough for a player to deal with. It tends to stick around all year. It can screw with your numbers. Now this is, you know, as Derek age and carry. Well, I'm just saying. Derek Henry. Twitter lost their mind upon hearing this news. It's pretty much what everyone expected with the way that his. His contract was structured. But where are you at Jason Moore on. On Derek Henry?

[Jason Moore]

Look, I love Derek Henry. I talked about that at the beginning of this year. How I was. I was very high on him. But based on what the Titans have done in the past, I just don't believe that they are going to hand the keys to the kingdom over. I expect them to get a third down back. A real good pass catcher. You know, I think on our free agency preview I Talked about Jerick McKinnon or a guy like that signing with the Titans. They are not going to have Derek Henry get the workload including the passing game that DeMarco Murray got. And so I'm RB1 or 2. What's that?

[Andy Holloway]

RB1 or an RB2?

[Jason Moore]

I think he will probably be right around that cusp. If I had to bet, I would bet RB2. High end. RB2.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. If you put Jerick McKinnon on the team, I think that's your best case scenario for how free agency falls out for Tennessee worst case is if you start talking about Dion Lewis, maybe a Rex Burkhead, somebody that can siphon some first and second down work away. One of the impressive things about Derek Henry, for those of you out there in dynasty leagues that own him are looking to draft him. He had one of the most impressive elusive numbers in the league in the sense that yards after first contact. He was up there with a guy like Deion Lewis. That stiff arm is ferocious. He can do some work if he gets enough carries. The other side is the demarco Murray side. Where. Look, if you're demarco Murray, you're wanting an opportunity to be the guy somewhere. Now, whether another team lets you be the guy somewhere, they won't. We don't know. There are. There are already rumors that he visited the Lions on Monday along with Jonathan Stewart. They might be competing for old running.

[Andy Holloway]

Back duties in Marco Murray and Jonathan.

[Jason Moore]

Stewart duty is correct.

[Andy Holloway]

They're just going to have to go where someone will even give them a contract.

[Mike Wright]

Speaking of not getting a contract, Cardinals have released Adrian Peterson. Is it possible we've never, we'll never see him carry the ball again?

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

And he goes away without fanfare?

[Jason Moore]

I don't believe so. He is already putting news out that his neck is fully healed. He wants to prove that he still got it and he's got the name to sell a few tickets or, you know, I think it's going to be similar to last year where he doesn't have a team.

[Mike Wright]

Last year he was a distraction. Last year he didn't help the Saints. He distracted the Saints from playing the right players for four weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Look, I agree with you. Yeah, that's what I was saying the offseason.

[Mike Wright]

I am not saying grimacing on the sidelines.

[Jason Moore]

I am not saying at all that Adrian Peterson should get a job or should get carries. You asked. Are we ever going to see him carry the ball again? I think we will. I think we shouldn't.

[Mike Wright]

All right, Mike, this next bit of news, you're very excited.

[Andy Holloway]

Buccaneers have signed Mike Evans to an extension five year, 82 and a half million dollar contract. But the big news.

[Mike Wright]

Well, the bigger news. How much was guaranteed?

[Andy Holloway]

It was 55.

[Mike Wright]

$55 million. We all believe in Mike Evans and so does Tampa Bay.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a lot of dollars.

[Mike Wright]

Speaking of Tampa. Oh, Cameron Bray.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man.

[Mike Wright]

This is the big. So the Mike Evans news is exciting for Mike Evans. None of us were going to discount his fantasy.

[Jason Moore]

Ability or his long term future. We all knew he's going to get a Big contract. So if you're in Dynasty, whatever, he's good, keep up with it. But if you're in Dynasty, the other Tampa Bay Buccaneer that you think is the future of the passing work there is O.J. howard.

[Andy Holloway]

There's two actually.

[Jason Moore]

Sure. But. Oh, I'm just saying. Cameron Brait, which is the news.

[Mike Wright]

Cameron braid signed a six year, 41 million dollar contract extension. 18 million was guaranteed. He's third in the league in tight end touchdowns over the last three years. Is that correct?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he was the last two seasons.

[Mike Wright]

Sorry, sorry. Last two years. And Cameron Brait represents a collective groan for all O.J. howard dynasty owners. Because O.J. howard is super talented. And here we're going to have now the odds of Cameron Braight playing out. Six years there, whatever. That's not going to happen.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

But this does mean he's in the fold. He's paid to be in the fold. Winston loves him. Now O.J. howard's a split and both players are damaged. From a fantasy perspective, who do you draft higher? Brait. Right.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I would draft Bray higher. OJ Howard will without a doubt be drafted ahead of Cameron Brait because of the upside. But here's the deal. O.J. howard is a phenomenal football player. Football player as in, I would say tight end. He is a great blocker coming out of college. Just incredible. Cameron Brait is not. Cameron Brait is used in the passing game. I mean, he's a touchdown monster for Jameis Winston from fantasy. Cameron Brait is the guy that you want there next year. That's my belief.

[Mike Wright]

I actually agree with that. I think if you had to pick one of the other, that doesn't mean that Howard's role doesn't expand and it doesn't mean that Brake can be counted on.

[Andy Holloway]

And it's. Yeah, it's an unknown at this moment because you had. Brait was fantastic to start the year, but absolutely vanished towards the end of the year while O.J. howard was starting to ascend before his injury. I lean. I think I lean Howard right now. If I just have to heads up, take one of them. I think I lean Howard at this moment. But in a redraft. Yeah, but I'm with Jason that I think that the draft price of Howard will probably be at a place where I don't want to spend for him.

[Mike Wright]

All right. The Bucks have tendered Adam Humphries.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, how do you pronounce it?

[Andy Holloway]

Pronounced with an Humphreys. This was the second one I was talking about.

[Mike Wright]

We were second year or I'm sorry, a second round level.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. So he is. He'll get his contract. Almost $3 million. Well, assuming everything goes through. But we were hoping for Chris Godwin to just take over that role and have Adam Humphries not in the mix. So this definitely throws some water on that because with Mike Evans, Desean Jackson and Humphries and Chris Godwin and O.J.

[Jason Moore]

Howard and Cameron Braid, what this says is next year my quarterback of choice is going to be Jameis Winston. He's going to.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm just saying this is what it was last year, though.

[Jason Moore]

But I think. I think injury got in the way of last year's Jameis Winston.

[Mike Wright]

We've talked. We're all on the same page. We love the value of Jameis Winston in the upcoming 2018 draft. I have not been on the Godwin bandwagon with you guys. I'm not going to gloat over at Adam Humphrey signing to me. Godwin's time will come when desean's is over there and that'll be the opportunity. I don't think it's over there for desean. I think they're going to work with him. He'll have a better year this year. I love desean Jackson as a sleeper, so I don't think Godwin's opportunity will match his talent this year. But let's move on and let's talk about the 49ers. Couple big moves for them. First of all, shout out. Congratulations to Marquis. Great win.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Marquis Goodwin signs a three year $20 million contract extension through 2021. He was their best receiver last year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, he was good.

[Mike Wright]

Garcon went down and he played really well.

[Jason Moore]

I feel like this is a really good signing for the Niners. This is not a lot of money for what Goodwin was doing on the field. So goodwill. Good for you. Good win. Great win.

[Mike Wright]

Great for you. Great win. So we'll have to see if the 40. Here's the thing, though. If the 49ers make a splash in free agency at the wide receiver position, which I expect them to do as Mike and then they bring Pierre Garcon. You know Garcon.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, he's coming back.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. Yeah. I mean he. Him and Shanahan are. Went out for drinks last night.

[Jason Moore]

I believe Pierre Garcon is under contract until he's 41 in his contract.

[Mike Wright]

He's making Buku bucks. What, 12 to 15 million a year.

[Andy Holloway]

He made a ton of money and he counts head heavily against the cap. I think for the next two to Three years. So he's going to be around.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. So I think, I think Goodwin will fill the role that he was meant to fill, which is to stretch the field on each and every play. I mean, he's a speedster, he's an Olympian. That's what he does. He'll be better for Garoppolo than for himself. In fantasy, if Garcon's back, fair point. And somebody else is back. Richard Sherman, cut by the Seahawks, signed by the 49ers almost immediately. Three year deal. Negotiated it himself and he even said he's a. It was a vengeful pick. He wants to play Seattle twice.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I read through an article that kind of. They took a look at the contract and they said Richard Sherman probably should have had some representation. It's really a health based type of contract. We're talking he needs to play every single game and over 90% of the snaps to really make the actual money from this contract.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he gets a bunch of money rolled over if he plays well and he makes the Pro bowl and all that. Yep. But it seems like it matches the bravado of Richard Sherman to bet on yourself to make money and have the incentive there. So. Interesting trade. We bring it up in the context of the fact that now Marcus Peters and Aqeed Talib are on the Rams, the NFC West, Russell Wilson, whomever the Cardinals brings in, Jared Goff and company. Look, it's going to be a competitive division.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, Jared Goff luckily doesn't have to.

[Mike Wright]

Play against Talib or Peters, but he, he'll take on Sherman. Patrick Peterson is in the division. It's going to be a very interesting one for pass. For passers.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, you could sum it up by just saying it's a terrible time to be a Cardinals fan.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, very much so.

[Jason Moore]

Everything.

[Andy Holloway]

Very much.

[Jason Moore]

All the teams in your division.

[Andy Holloway]

To be fair, there's. There's whispers in the bushes. Yeah, these are strong. I mean, these are confirmed, verified.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Whispers because.

[Mike Wright]

No, that's for you, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Oh.

[Andy Holloway]

Breaking news. We hear this is from the mouth of Ian Rapaport. We do hear the Arizona Cardinals have a chance. They have a shot because allegedly Kirk Cousins sister lives around town, lives in Phoenix.

[Mike Wright]

So done deal. I look family. I also have it on.

[Andy Holloway]

That's great. Kirk Cousins, family man. Show the world what you are made of.

[Mike Wright]

I have it on good authority he once traveled through Phoenix on a family vacation and especially loved the vending machines we had in the local area.

[Andy Holloway]

He hit up Rawhide and Old Tucson all The hits, the Grand Canyon.

[Mike Wright]

All the hits.

[Jason Moore]

The Grand Canyon.

[Mike Wright]

We bring all the hits here in Arizona.

[Jason Moore]

All right, this just in. Kirk Cousins brother in law also lives in Phoenix. Oh, if he has a brother. If, if he has a brother in law.

[Andy Holloway]

You're making a lot of assumptions.

[Jason Moore]

I'm just saying if the sister's married.

[Mike Wright]

I'm excited about this.

[Jason Moore]

I hope they live in the same state. I assume they.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I mean, come on. All right, all right. What do we, what do we even say here? We've got this now circling video of Odell Beckham Jr. It was leaked on Friday. We're not gonna speculate too much other than to say it's not a good look. Look. Where there's smoke, sometimes there's fire. Where there's fire, there's sometimes suspension, there's smoke. Smoke of many kinds.

[Jason Moore]

So there were some substances in the video. Yeah, these substances, they were fantasy points. They looked illegal, but you don't know. No, not a good look.

[Mike Wright]

Not a good look. So we'll just follow that news and we'll be forced to report on it. Lev Bell says he won't sit out the 2018 season if he doesn't have a long term contract.

[Jason Moore]

Quote, it's just a rerun of last year, which is basically to say, you know, if he doesn't get the long term contract, he's not going to be playing in training camp, but he'll be there for the full season. Trade for him after week one.

[Mike Wright]

Here's what people need to recognize about the situation. It's a tough one for both sides. Apparently he's passed on a multi year deal that would pay him over 12 million a year. The highest paid per year deal in the league is Devonta Freeman at $8 million a year. Now he makes the case he's much more than the average running back. So the running back market doesn't dictate Lev Bell's price. I agree with that. But 12 million on a multi year deal, turning that down. This is what was rumored and talked about. He said, you know, hard to turn down, but he did. So now, now you wonder if you're heading towards. Mike, you mentioned this on another podcast last week. Are you heading towards a Kirk cousin situation where you just franchise the guy? Too many times the bad blood builds up and is he somewhere else next year at 20, what, 27 years old by then?

[Andy Holloway]

The best move in my opinion, business wise for the Steelers is to franchise him this year and then let him walk there. There are numbers and that if you look at what the Steelers offense does with Le'Veon Bell and without him. I mean, they're scoring almost the exact same amount of points per game. The running back is a. It is a devalued position.

[Mike Wright]

You're giving the Steelers representation some nice sound bites for their next meeting.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, but at the same time, I love Le'Veon Bell and I think that he is the best running back in football. You just, you're playing the wrong position.

[Mike Wright]

It will be interesting to see how the draft unfolds for Pittsburgh.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Based on that and their future and what they want to do, it'll be interesting if they invest something in the third, fourth round they did last year.

[Andy Holloway]

James Connor was a third round pick last year.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

He has not panned out yet.

[Mike Wright]

No, he was recently. He's not going to pass as well. All right, we're going to talk about the Tory Smith news momentarily. Before we do that, I want to thank Pristine Auction once more for being the absolute best place to buy autograph sports memorabilia. Look, recent auctions that just ended. Evan Ingram signed Giants jersey. JSA certified $47. What?

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

I just checked a Mark Ingram jersey. Guess what I just sold for. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 55 bucks.

[Andy Holloway]

I should have seen it come.

[Mike Wright]

You should have seen it come.

[Andy Holloway]

And it was great.

[Mike Wright]

All right, big news. Panthers have acquired wide receiver Torrey Smith from the Eagles in exchange for cornerback Darrell Worley. This is interesting and it really, it really is interesting because Torrey Smith is still just 29, still a burner, still fast. I can't believe the Eagles got something for him. Yeah, and here he arrives in Carolina, the one place where you know Cam Newton off his back foot dropping dimes to Ted Ginn for years. Is there going to be enough opportunity here for us to even glance in Tori Smith's direction in fantasy football?

[Jason Moore]

Well, in fantasy, yes. I love right now, Torrey Smith is a very, very, very, very late best ball pick. Because you know, he's been Torrey Smith. But this is a great location for those deep balls from Cam. Have the speed fill that Ted Ginn Jr. Role in Redraft leagues. I probably won't touch him. I mean, maybe depending on how the preseason goes. But I really do like him in best ball.

[Andy Holloway]

Even when Ted Ginn was in his heyday in Carolina, it was sketchy. You never really wanted to play him.

[Jason Moore]

Despite the weekly league in home leagues.

[Andy Holloway]

This also opens things up for Mack Hollins from the Philadelphia Eagles. He is likely to be their wide receiver. 3. Just someone to keep an eye on.

[Jason Moore]

And for Aguilar to step up. They're saying he is our true number two.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Dolphins released Ndama Kung sue. So don't draft him as your any of your offensive positions. The Bears, this was.

[Jason Moore]

This is.

[Andy Holloway]

What are you doing?

[Mike Wright]

Mike doesn't like this. The Bears, nobody likes have tindered Cameron Meredith at the original round level of 1.9 million. Brief reminder how this works. You can tender a free agent, a restricted free agent at three levels. First, second round or original round. If you tender them at original round, you guarantee them $1.9 million.

[Andy Holloway]

That's not guaranteed, right?

[Mike Wright]

You give them $1.1.9 million non guaranteed contract. But because it was original round, that means another team can come in and sign them and they get no compensation. They'll have the opportunity to match, but they will get no compensation. If he accepts a deal elsewhere, basically for 2.9, they could have tendered him in a second round level and guaranteed having him on the roster. Now what this says to me before you, I'll let you guys jump in. What it says to me is that there will be a major wide receiver splash in Chicago, maybe two. I would expect two big names to go there and they're looking at Meredith like a three or four and saying hey, we're going to penny pinch.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you know. No, I agree. What it, what it guarantees is that there will be another team to come in and sign Cam Meredith for more than the 1.9. Because you think so? Oh, absolutely. I think it's inevitable. And the question of whether or not Chicago will match, that's, you know, yet to be seen. They probably want to see what's going to happen with their own free agent searches, you know, with Alan Robinson, Sammy Watkins, those type of guys. But I do agree with you that you know a lot of people and I think wrongly, incorrectly, whichever one is correct, I think that they have been seeing Cam Meredith too high this off season as, as like oh, he's going to be great next year because Chicago needs a wide receiver and he is very talented. I agree with that. But he's not there one next year. He never was going to be the one next year. With their cap room and Mitchell Trubisky and an offensive minded coach, they are absolutely paying up for some wide receiver ACL surgery.

[Mike Wright]

He's coming off of that injury.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it was a monster injury two years ago.

[Mike Wright]

66 receptions, 888 yards in the breakout back half of that year. That's the one where, you know, Marshall didn't pan out.

[Andy Holloway]

And just for me to not take the gamble for an extra $1 million to almost guarantee that Cam Meredith will be on your team and can be your wide receiver 2 or wide receiver 3. I think it's just a grave mistake.

[Mike Wright]

It's interesting the Jaguars have tendered restricted free agent running back Corey Grant at a second round level.

[Andy Holloway]

That's very interesting.

[Jason Moore]

That's how you do it.

[Mike Wright]

They did what the Bears could not do. 2.9 million plus for Corey Grant because he's, he's drafted. I don't think people are going to sign him away.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

And Chris Ivory's gone. He could be more involved in this backfield next year.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's certainly more of the past catching line him up in the slot do fun stuff with him.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Big plays.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's a freak athlete.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's quick. He's got the Darren Sprols effect going on. All right. The big trade this morning, Big trade for fantasy implications. The Bengals have acquired left tackle Cordy Glenn from the Bills. Monstrous trade. This allowed the Bills to move up from 21 to 12 in the draft. This solidifies helps to begin solidifying an offensive line that was decimated that Joe Mixon, Jill Bernard and company felt last year in the running game, that Andy Dalton felt in the passing game. A big trade for the Bengals.

[Jason Moore]

If he can stay healthy, you know, that's been his issue. He's graded out highly as a left tackle, but he has not been able to stay healthy. He. His foot issues should be fixed now, but if he can play left tackle for the Bengals, this will be a huge upgrade for them. Last season, if you remember, they lined up without an offensive left tackle every play.

[Andy Holloway]

They said four on the line, four on the line.

[Jason Moore]

They played 10 on 11 weekend.

[Mike Wright]

Cardinals did that for about a decade. If I recall back in the 90s.

[Andy Holloway]

It doesn't work out well. And speaking in terms of the Buffalo Bills, this is certainly the beginning of the climb as they trying to get into the top five to draft one of these quarterbacks.

[Mike Wright]

Absolutely.

[Jason Moore]

And we're going to get picks belong to the Browns.

[Mike Wright]

We're going to get into the hype train right now. We're going to let you know the latest news that we have. Rumors, information. But just let's maintain the tease of teases. We're going to talk about the Cleveland Browns.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

At length, very shortly. This is why we succeed as a show. We tease you with the right kind of tease.

[Jason Moore]

Really.

[Mike Wright]

The Browns.

[Jason Moore]

The Browns.

[Mike Wright]

The Browns.

[Andy Holloway]

Where you tease and then you.

[Jason Moore]

Please.

[Andy Holloway]

So it works.

[Mike Wright]

That's what they say. Let's jump into the hype train. Ian Rapoport is doing all sorts of work.

[Andy Holloway]

Who are the packers going to sign now?

[Mike Wright]

Saints are talking about a contract with Jimmy Graham. Also, Ian Rapaport reports. I'm sorry, NFL.com's Mike Garofalo reporting. The packers have reached out to him. We all picked Jimmy Graham. Back to the Saints, I believe on our free agent predictions episode, at least two of us. Jason picked the Texans, I think.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's. That's right.

[Mike Wright]

So we'll see where he ends up. That's the best fit for him. And the real question will be, I mean, Kobe Fleener will be cut. I mean, he's done. They probably already changed the Locks on him. But Jimmy Graham, if he's my locker.

[Jason Moore]

My stuff's in there.

[Mike Wright]

He's back. Yeah, we're seizing it all. Kobe, get out. You only had 52 receptions against family inside. So Jimmy Graham fantasy implications if he went back to New Orleans. Do you like him more or less than you did at the beginning of last year with Seattle?

[Andy Holloway]

About the same.

[Jason Moore]

I would say at the beginning of the year, maybe a little bit more about the same. Because I believed in him going into last year more than what he showed up on. What showed up on film.

[Mike Wright]

You know what'll be perfect is they'll sign him. Right. And he. Because it seemed like he was devastated to be traded last time. And then. And then Drew Brees will sign somewhere else and then he won't get to come back with Drew and he'll end up with some. Somebody else. Oh, that'd be sad. Well, we'll see what happens. All right. Adam Kaplan's at least reporting that Kirk Cousins is going to be a Minnesota Viking. Yes, there are reports that multiple teams will offer him a three year fully guaranteed deal at 27 plus per year.

[Jason Moore]

Breaking the NFL system.

[Mike Wright]

But here's the thing. Kirk Cousins is going to go on visits. This is going to be a lot like when Peyton Manning was a free agent several years back. We're not going to have, I think, a conclusive report on Kirk Cousins. I bet you the other teams will get a sense of whether they're really in on it and we'll move on to other quarterbacks sooner than we'll have a final deal by Kirk Cousins.

[Jason Moore]

Kirk will not be the first domino to drop. It'll be case Keenum or AJ McCarron Bradford.

[Mike Wright]

Here's some other quick hits on the hype train. Rams working to sign Sammy Watkins to resign him, Jets, Titans and Colts in play for Dion Lewis all makes sense. Ravens seem focused on Moncrief, which Jason had as his predicted possible.

[Andy Holloway]

The news did come out that the Colts are done with Dante Moncrief. So he will be moving on Alan Robinson.

[Mike Wright]

Where is he going to end up?

[Andy Holloway]

49Ers.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You made a stone cold lock.

[Andy Holloway]

I did.

[Jason Moore]

You said that a week ago that you guarantee he ends up on the 49ers.

[Mike Wright]

There have been rumors from the Packers. There have been rumors about the Bears.

[Jason Moore]

The Packers rumors with both Alan Robinson and Sammy Watkins. What people have. Very bizarre. It is a little bit bizarre if that were to happen. Because right now, if you look at guaranteed money to wide receivers in the NFL, the number one team by a mile is already Green Bay. So they're not going to add an Allen Robinson to the mix. If they were to make an, you know, an attempt to sign him, that would be saying, okay, Jordy, you're out of here. Cobb, you might be out of here too.

[Andy Holloway]

Both would go. And it, it's not necessarily a bad move. If you're going to cut both Jordy and Cobb, you move forward with Devonte Adams and Alan Robinson as your two wide receivers.

[Jason Moore]

That's nice.

[Andy Holloway]

I think that'd be very successful.

[Jason Moore]

I was Alan Robinson and I've been playing with Blake the Snake. Oh, I'd much rather, much rather have Aaron Rodgers.

[Mike Wright]

So a lot of rumors with Sammy and Alan Robinson to the Bears. I think the Bears will end up with one of those two players. I really do. But also Paul Richardson, he's not going to get resigned in Seattle. He hinted that he's done there. We'll see where he ends up. CJ Anderson will not be cut, at least at this time.

[Andy Holloway]

Very surprising.

[Mike Wright]

According to local reports, they're going to listen to trade offers. I don't know why you're celebrating because here's what's going to happen. They're going to report that he's not going to be cut. They're going to shop him. They're not going to find a trade partner. Then they're going to cut it.

[Jason Moore]

And then that would be really.

[Andy Holloway]

And then the spots will be all full.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. C.J.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

My dynasty team needs you back. Here's, here's, here's what has to happen. Every quarterback needs to sign with a non Denver Broncos team so that they're just paying for a rookie quarterback this coming year and they can afford CJ and.

[Mike Wright]

Well, let's bring CJ on to chat about it.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, stop it.

[Mike Wright]

Get out of here.

[Jason Moore]

Stop it. C.J. anderson is extremely efficient. Is a very good running back.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jason Moore]

And didn't get the touches.

[Mike Wright]

What kind of. Do you think he'll put up equal or the or better numbers than what Ryan Mantis put up last year?

[Jason Moore]

I'm gonna.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm gonna go better.

[Mike Wright]

Better. Okay. Chargers planning on placing a second round tender on wide receiver Tyrell Williams.

[Jason Moore]

That was.

[Mike Wright]

Williams has drawn interest around the league and maybe a trade candidate.

[Andy Holloway]

They. I was gonna say they might get a second round pick for Tyrell Williams, who was. He played incredible a few years back when he had to take over for Keenan Allen. Is there something wrong with that statement?

[Mike Wright]

I couldn't figure out if it was supposed to be incredible or credibly. Incredibly. He played.

[Jason Moore]

Played incredibly well.

[Mike Wright]

Incredibly well or incredible? Yeah, I think they're both right.

[Andy Holloway]

Nailed it.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, I was just thinking over here. You didn't have to ask.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's the deal. A couple years back, over a thousand yards when he had to be the.

[Jason Moore]

Man and he was young. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

This is interesting. If Los Angeles does in fact keep him. We'll get to Andy's cackles in just a moment. But now they have Keenan Allen truck, Travis Benjamin, Mike Williams and Tyrell Williams. I mean, you have a log jam here so many ways.

[Jason Moore]

That's why I was really surprised to see a second round tender. I mean, he. He's a player deserving of it.

[Andy Holloway]

They will get a second round pick for him or they. Or they're like Andy said, they'll just. They'll sign and they want some.

[Jason Moore]

He's only 26 years old right now.

[Mike Wright]

I was just laughing because some. That Ian Rapaport report about Kirk Cousins and his sister living out in this area.

[Andy Holloway]

Delete it.

[Mike Wright]

No, he didn't delete it. But one of our Foot Clan members said we all know the real reason he suddenly drawn to Arizona. It's the pheromones that FF Hitman put out a few weeks ago.

[Andy Holloway]

Darn right. I'm like a.

[Mike Wright]

He does. He doesn't know why he's drawn here.

[Jason Moore]

I'm so.

[Andy Holloway]

People are.

[Jason Moore]

Skunk would keep people away. Bring them in.

[Mike Wright]

What kind of skunk brings them in? My.

[Andy Holloway]

No, he doesn't.

[Jason Moore]

No. Come on.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a bad. All right.

[Mike Wright]

Speaking of skunks, let's get into the brown segment.

[Andy Holloway]

I spray. I. I spray positivity.

[Mike Wright]

Not like a skunk, though. They don't spray positivity.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm just talking about where it emits from.

[Mike Wright]

Nothing good emits.

[Jason Moore]

We thought and thought.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I've learned.

[Jason Moore]

That's true.

[Mike Wright]

Nothing good emits from anything.

[Jason Moore]

I think soaring over the world at Disney. Oh, the orange.

[Andy Holloway]

The orange spray.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, There you go. I found it. We thought about what drop we should have for the, you know, for the Browns.

[Mike Wright]

Let's go something vanilla browns. Is that good?

[Jason Moore]

Sure. Browns. Brown. I was thinking it would be something a little bit more like. Because we're like, what's brown? What? You know, it's like. That was what happened.

[Mike Wright]

So you.

[Jason Moore]

This last weekend.

[Mike Wright]

That's the difference between Mike in control of all of our sound drops and Jason. Yeah, Jason just made a fart sound and said we at the end of.

[Jason Moore]

It put Your vote [e-mail] vote for Jason for sound effects drop of the year.

[Mike Wright]

All right, it is time. We've been asked. I mean the tweets were coming like fire. After all the Browns moves, let's start at the top. Big time trades. A 2018 fourth rounder and a 2019 seventh rounder have been traded to Miami and Jarvis Landry is now a Cleveland Brown. And this is a very interesting move. I want to hear your take. You've had a chance now to digest the Jarvis Landry move. He had been in that will he play on the franchise tag territory? Jarvis Landry is the high. He has the most receptions through four years of any player in NFL history. And do we undervalue him and will he be worth what he was worth in Miami, in Cleveland, Is his talent undervalued?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. But he cannot be the number one and number two options in, in this passing game. Not with Josh Gordon, not with Corey Coleman.

[Mike Wright]

Unless he can absolutely be the number two.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm saying he can't be the number one and number two like he was in Miami. All targets.

[Mike Wright]

I see what you're saying.

[Andy Holloway]

The entire offense funneled through Jarvis Landry. Yeah, he can be the number two, but what does that mean he gets.

[Mike Wright]

Up to as opposed to. I see what you mean. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

80 receptions for 700 yards. I like Jarvis Landry. I think he's a great wide receiver. But because of his, because of his skill set, if he's not getting up near 100 receptions, he's not going to be the same fantasy value that he was when he was in Miami.

[Jason Moore]

When you say up near 100 receptions the last three years for Jarvis Landry, he has averaged 153 targets a year.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

This isn't like oh, he's got 110 targets. Last year there wasn't a single Brown who had 100 targets on the team. Now that some of that was injury. Josh Gordon came back for five years so we'll forgive that. But I don't see him having 150 targets in this, in this offense for the Browns. I see no upside here for Jarvis Landry to improve. You're hoping that he is as good as he was in Miami. But I think the situation has gotten drastically worse. Maybe they get a better quarterback. You know, Tyrod is not any better for. I'm just saying. I'm talking about his quarterback situation. The quarterback situation is going to be at best lateral, not up. The offense situation I think is going to be. I just don't See the targets being there for his skill set.

[Mike Wright]

I think it's a really strong take. I mean I, I don't think that you can paint the picture as Jarvis is going to somehow improve. Mike's right. I mean the distribution, the priority. He was in the Miami offense. I think he could, he could get close though. I think he could get pretty close from a tie. The problem that I have is you have 74 receptions that went to Duke Johnson. And so either Duke Johnson's going extended or they're going to invest a pick on a pass catching back like Barkley. So you need to commit 60 to 80 receptions to the running back position where Jarvis is a. He's kind of an extended running back in the slot. You have the opportunity to give him the ball at the line of scrimmage or behind. So often now they need that, they'll use that. And I don't think Jarvis is going to go, you know, and be something he isn't in Cleveland. But you do have Josh Gordon, Corey Coleman. I think they'll sign somebody else, whether it's Trial Pryor or somebody bigger. Even so, for my numbers here, I'm.

[Andy Holloway]

Showing Miami had the highest amount of their targets go to the wide receiver position in the league.

[Mike Wright]

More than I'm guessing Cleveland's got zero. The least.

[Andy Holloway]

Cleveland was down at 26.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah. Last year as a whole, I mean.

[Mike Wright]

The leading receiver was Duke Johnson. He had the most receptions on the team.

[Jason Moore]

You had Miami with 602 passing attempts. You had Cleveland with 574 last year, 567 the year before. Do you think that there will be anybody out there that is arguing that Todd Haley's system. He's going to plug in Jarvis into the Antonio Brown role. That did soak up those targets. Take a Josh Gordon, make him more of the Martevis Bryant Field stretcher role. Is there any argument to be had there from a scheme standpoint?

[Andy Holloway]

Jarvis can't do what Antonio Brown can do.

[Jason Moore]

No one can. But Jarvis is. Jarvis could be the most talented.

[Mike Wright]

So he was the 8th ranked fantasy wide receiver last year. So the question that I have for you is what do you give him as a number? Where's he going to this half point league? Where does he finish in a half point league? Is he still worthy of wide receiver one consideration?

[Andy Holloway]

No, not for me. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Not. Not even close for me.

[Mike Wright]

So I would have Jarvis Landring next.

[Andy Holloway]

Year or Doug Baldwin, Baldwin by a lot.

[Mike Wright]

Juju Smith Schuster or Jarvis Landry.

[Andy Holloway]

That's, that's an interesting Question. I lean Jarvis.

[Mike Wright]

Stefan Diggs or Jarvis, who would you rather have?

[Jason Moore]

Jarvis.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, so after all that smack talk.

[Andy Holloway]

You got faith in there.

[Mike Wright]

You went in, you went in with Jarvis.

[Jason Moore]

My point is that he cannot go. I don't even think it's going to be lateral. I don't see him as number eight. I think he's going to finish around that wide receiver 15, 16. He, he's still a consistent guy and the routes he runs, he's, you know, he's a volume based.

[Mike Wright]

He's a great player, he's a great football player.

[Andy Holloway]

But last year, nine touchdowns, that was.

[Jason Moore]

An outlier and it's not happening with Cleveland. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So receptions are going down, touchdowns are going down.

[Mike Wright]

No, he's going to throw for more yardage.

[Andy Holloway]

Nowhere near wide receiver one.

[Mike Wright]

All right, so more outside the top 24.

[Andy Holloway]

I would. I was thinking about the number in my head and that that 20 to 24 range is where he will likely end up for me.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's talk about Tyrod Taylor, new Cleveland Brown quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Traded from the Bills to Cleveland. I've read some things saying that he was a top choice ahead of the McCarran trade last year. So they've had their eyes on Tyrod for a while for whatever reason and he was traded for a third round pick. Look, I, Tyrod, I found a meme from literally one year ago today and I had made some jokes about Tyrod Taylor because he had no wide outs. I mean, in Buffalo, this was like Sammy was leaving. And I'm thinking Tyrod's got no weapons. What odds, what chance does he have there? Now you have Cleveland likely to draft a quarterback very high, but have publicly said they don't want to start a rookie in week one. So Tyrod, your guy, week one, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, week one. Here is my take on this, is this was an awful trade, an awful, awful trade for the Cleveland Browns. They gave up a third round pick, if I'm not mistaken, the first pick.

[Mike Wright]

Correct picker, the third round.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a starter.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, definitely.

[Andy Holloway]

That is a starter for your team regardless of offense or defense. You have now grabbed a bridge quarterback, as they want to call him because.

[Mike Wright]

He'S still not under contract.

[Andy Holloway]

He's not under contract next year. The Cleveland Browns have the 101 and the 104 pick. Now, unless there is some huge smoke screen here and the Cleveland Browns are not going to take a quarterback with one of those to picks, then trading for Tyrod is fine. But in this day and age when you draft a Rookie quarterback in the top five before the end of the year. They will be playing. They will be given the job. And they will be given the job. They'll be given the opportunity to fail for about three to four years. Three years minimum for a rookie taken at the 105. You've given up a starter for your team for a quarterback to come in and start six games.

[Mike Wright]

In Cleveland's defense, they have two more. I think they had two.

[Jason Moore]

I don't.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't care.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no, I'm sorry. I was looking at the second round. They have three second rounders ahead of that first pick in the third round.

[Andy Holloway]

Load up your entire team.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I mean, fair. They don't have another pick until the middle of the fourth. So they'll be drafting at 64 and then the middle of the fourth round.

[Jason Moore]

What's interesting to me, but you need.

[Mike Wright]

To win games most.

[Jason Moore]

Do you? Yes.

[Mike Wright]

What do you do?

[Jason Moore]

You need to win games.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, and 16 says they don't.

[Jason Moore]

But Hugh Jackson's like, oh, I gotta start.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. But Hugh Jackson doesn't control the personnel. Hugh Jackson, the gm. It's not Sasha anymore. But the GM controls all that stuff. The GM just got signed. He knows he's good moving.

[Mike Wright]

This is the perennial disrespect of Tyrod Taylor. Tyra Taylor's the quarterback for a playoff team last year.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

He's also been a fantasy relevant player for multiple years.

[Andy Holloway]

And I don't want.

[Mike Wright]

He had no weapons and now he has Gordon, Landry, Duke, whomever they draft in that first round.

[Andy Holloway]

I do not want my take of the Cleveland Browns terrible trade to reflect on my opinion of Tyra Taylor who I think is a fine middle of the pack quarterback. He's not great, but he is a starter in this league.

[Mike Wright]

This is the great challenge for us as fantasy owners. Now we have the greatest bias. We could have an 016 Browns team with lots of weapons. Look, whether they end up with Barkley or they end up with Penny or Geiss or another running back, they're going to have a running back or two that they draft that will be prognosticating. They're going to have Gordon and Coleman and Landry and Duke that were going to be. Yeah. So weapons all over the field that we're all going to have to. The question is, are you going to dismiss them because they're the Browns for no good reason.

[Jason Moore]

History is a great reason and I think that history has taught me. But if you bet against the Browns.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. And history taught you to bet against The Jags and you would have been burnt last year.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think the Jags history is anywhere remotely close. I remember the good old days with mjd.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, Josh Gordon, number one wide receiver a few, many, many years back.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah. Several years ago. Praylin Edwards, Derek Anderson, Crow.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, two years ago Peyton completely dismissed them and you have. Now you have Todd Haley, whose offensive. His offensive mind has brought us much, much.

[Mike Wright]

And Hugh Jackson.

[Andy Holloway]

Guys, Wolverine is coaching players.

[Mike Wright]

I am in. I know it's not a safe place to be.

[Andy Holloway]

No, it's not. It's a bad place.

[Mike Wright]

This is walking up to the edge without the railing there. But I'm telling you, I believe in Hugh Jackson. I believe in the personnel.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know why.

[Mike Wright]

I believe in Dorsey and the personnel he's bringing. And I have no skin in the game. I've never been a Browns fan. This isn't biased coming.

[Andy Holloway]

You are going Thelma and Louise next year.

[Jason Moore]

No. Yeah. Well, no, because I'm pretty sure she had someone with her in the car.

[Andy Holloway]

No. Say Kim and Hugh Jackson.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, okay. Those two will be going. That's fine. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, no.

[Andy Holloway]

On the Gus bus.

[Mike Wright]

Gus is in the back of the car with us. He's with me.

[Jason Moore]

I am. I think I am going to.

[Mike Wright]

How do you feel about Corey Coleman now, Jay?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, it sucks. This sucks because I like Corey Coleman.

[Mike Wright]

But they're going to sign another whiteout too.

[Jason Moore]

The reality is there won't be enough quality targets to go around to everyone especially. Look, Tyrod, I agree he is a fine enough quarterback, but he's not this guy that's going to throw the ball, you know, up near the top 10 in the league and succeed. That's never been his game.

[Andy Holloway]

Jackson doesn't want to do that.

[Jason Moore]

Right. But you could say he doesn't have the weapons. But I mean he had Sammy Watkins and Marquis Goodwin and Robert woods. These guys that are.

[Mike Wright]

He had none of those last year.

[Jason Moore]

No, but I'm saying he's had them before and he. He didn't turn them into anything great. So now he's supposed to go to Cleveland.

[Mike Wright]

That's a pretty look. I get it. But Watkins was always hurt. Woods was not put in a position. I mean too many targets. You're right about the fact that his offensive prowess equates to about 3,500 passing yards. I will write about.

[Jason Moore]

I will like Tyrod Taylor for fantasy. You know, you give him the weapons, the touch on opportunities, you give him the opportunity to run and the outlandish way that fantasy football records running quarterbacks value. I'll like him at the beginning of the year to draft as a streaming quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

We haven't even mentioned David and Joku is there as well.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, David and Joku. Talent.

[Andy Holloway]

The talent for the Cleveland Browns is incredible. What now?

[Mike Wright]

I'm just. I'm just. If you want to argue against Jarvis Landry last year, Duke Johnson, 74 receptions. Do you know the next highest reception total for the Cleveland Browns? Not the person, the amount. Give me both actually. Because if you can get either even close, I'll be amazed.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so the second leading receiver.

[Mike Wright]

The second by reception count. Yes, the second leading receiver by reception.

[Jason Moore]

Gordon only played five games. Coleman didn't do much. There's no way it was in Joku, right?

[Mike Wright]

Nope. But he was second. He was. He was close. 33 receptions was the next closest to the 74 that Duke Johnson received.

[Andy Holloway]

Hold on.

[Mike Wright]

Seth DeValve. Yeah, with 33. Yep. David and Joku with 32. Okay, so you're still not touching a wideout. Isaiah Cruell was then fourth with 28. Here's your first wideout. Rashard Higgins and Ricardo Lewis tied with 27 receptions. Corey Coleman, 23. Josh Gordon, 18. Kenny Britt, 18. Sammy co.

[Jason Moore]

This is why you needed to go trade for Jarvis Landry.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, that is unbelievable. Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

They also traded away to Sean Kaiser to the Green Bay Packers. Congratulations, Green Bay, you get a better backup quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Someone who can possibly be.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, he could be your future.

[Andy Holloway]

You have no idea.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's where I wanted him to be drafted.

[Mike Wright]

He won't be.

[Jason Moore]

Last year he was my number one prospect.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, it's not Hundley is what.

[Jason Moore]

I'm saying, but I wanted Kaiser to go to a place like Green Bay or Kansas City where there are known commodities of people that have trained quarterbacks to be successful in the league. Instead, he went to the worst place he could, the Cleveland Browns. And now he's been liberated.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we have a couple minutes left. Let's. Let's jump into the mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag. Mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

Browns edition. Actually, no, this is. This is just any question. All right. Actually, I think we asked for non Brown.

[Jason Moore]

We did.

[Mike Wright]

Because Brooks is naughty. Yeah. If you have a question, you go to the website the fantasy footballers.com, click on the Submit a question button or dial our voicemail hotline. 302464 TFFB. Always love your voicemail questions. We're gonna kick it off with a voicemail question.

[D]

Hey, fantasy footballers and Mike Wright don't know if you're verified yet.

[Mike Wright]

Not verified.

[D]

Paulie the ravioli calling two part question here. First question. You bowl a ravioli you like red sauce or white sauce, AKA tomato or Alfredo. Second question. While you're eating that bowl of ravioli, you're picking ninth in the standard league. Are you two quarterbacks? Are you picking a breeze? Alvin Kamara, David Johnson or Hopkins? Thank you. This is Paulie the Ravioli signing out.

[Andy Holloway]

Is it going. Is he stretching out to be poly?

[Jason Moore]

It started as Paulie Poly the ravioli.

[Mike Wright]

Paulie the ravioli because he rhymes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, no, I.

[Mike Wright]

All right, first one. White sauce, red sauce, go.

[Jason Moore]

If it's ravioli, it's white sauce.

[Mike Wright]

It's funny. If it's ravioli, it's red sauce for me. But I like.

[Jason Moore]

Leave it.

[Mike Wright]

Fettuccine Alfredo.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree. If it's ravioli, I'm going red. But I prefer white sauce.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Alfredo.

[Andy Holloway]

I love Alfredo actually.

[Mike Wright]

I cannot think of a time in my life I've had ravioli with white sauce. That's why, that's why I never had that.

[Jason Moore]

It would probably come over to my house.

[Mike Wright]

Jason does whatever he wants with food.

[Jason Moore]

You darn right.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Two quarterback league pick one Breeze Camaro, DJ or Hopkins at that point in the draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Wow.

[Mike Wright]

It's not Breeze.

[Jason Moore]

No. To me, even at a two quarterback it would go David Johnson, probably Hopkins, then Camara. Followed last by Drew Brees.

[Andy Holloway]

Wow. Going to despair Drew Brees that much.

[Mike Wright]

In a two quarterback league with those three talents on the board? Unfortunately, yes.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I would go. I think it's still David Johnson for.

[Mike Wright]

Me between over Camara and Hopkins. Yeah, yeah, I think so too. I'm right on the line with like I love Camara, but I don't think I'm going to throw away the volume.

[Andy Holloway]

That's exactly what I mean.

[Mike Wright]

We talked about that recently.

[Jason Moore]

Let's say David Johnson over Camara. But I'm actually interested in your guys opinion on the Camara versus Hopkins.

[Mike Wright]

That's a good one. Yeah. And I.

[Jason Moore]

Because that's where I struggle going back and forth. But I, I still think, I still think Eileen Hop.

[Andy Holloway]

Just, just getting the.

[Mike Wright]

I'll take Camara. I'll take Camara because I want to.

[Jason Moore]

Say you wrote an article. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I want the difference maker at that more difficult to find position. And I think if I believe that Camara really is, then I believe it's better than going Hopkins there.

[Jason Moore]

Absolutely.

[Mike Wright]

This one comes in off of Instagram, by the way. You can follow us over on Instagram. We've been posting a lot of stuff over there.

[Andy Holloway]

That's right. We're stepping up the game.

[Mike Wright]

Like when, like between now and the next show, when a big signing happens, we're going to jump on there and we're going to drop a hot take. And I'll say this. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

If Kirk Cousins signs in Arizona, you will want to be following our Instagram.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Because you want to see Mike Wright streaking down the streets, which you may or may not, but there's only one way and that's going to be on Instagram.

[Mike Wright]

You don't know if you want to see that yet.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

You'll find out.

[Jason Moore]

We'll start recording when he's a quarter mile down the road.

[Mike Wright]

I believe he's already done that. That's how the pheromones get into the atmosphere in Arizona.

[Andy Holloway]

So yes, I've talked about the emission.

[Mike Wright]

Like I said, emitting is never good. Caddy 14 says, what's up, ballers? I'm in a keeper league and league mates are asking about if they picked up a guy off waivers and want to keep. I'm getting lost here.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a keeper league. They've grabbed players off of the waiver wire. What is the draft cost to keep said waiver wire player?

[Jason Moore]

Let me tell you what it is not. And this is not like, oh, this is what it shouldn't be. This is what it is not. Change and fix your league. It is not worth the last pick of your draft if you've got 16 rounds. It is not a 16th rounder. I mean, a couple years ago, you know, you had Odell Beckham, a first round type.

[Andy Holloway]

David Johnson would have been there every year.

[Jason Moore]

There's usually a guy where you, Alvin.

[Andy Holloway]

Camara going into next year is, would be a free player for many, many.

[Jason Moore]

Years that you're getting a first round type player in the 16th you're rewarding. I mean, yes, the guy made a great pickup off of waivers, but all the research that's done in the draft and the fact that you're now talking about what is the draft cost in the keeper league. That's what you're sacrificing. Nobody did a good job in drafting that guy because he was picked up off of waivers. So I would say you either use ADP plus or minus around whatever your preference.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

Or you can make it something like the eighth round. Yeah. Somewhere. It's like if you've got, you know, however many rounds you have, make it half of that. But I prefer adp.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

Or. Or you can't keep them. I like that rule the best personally. But I know people get people getting enough.

[Andy Holloway]

I like being able to pay a price to keep the waiver wire player.

[Mike Wright]

Turtle Master 232 why is that funny? It's just funny because his name is turtle master232 I know this is a stupid question, but I'm new to fantasy football. What round should you draft a quarterback?

[Andy Holloway]

Turtle Master Snap. Not stupid. If you know fantasy football, good for you. I hope you're enjoying the game.

[Mike Wright]

I imagine if I asked him a turtle question I would feel stupid and want him to give me some grace, right?

[Jason Moore]

What type of tortoise should I use in an Arizona backyard?

[Mike Wright]

There you go.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know. I don't know. Is that a dumb question? I don't even know.

[Mike Wright]

There are no stupid questions about turtles or about fantasy football.

[Jason Moore]

Look.

[Mike Wright]

So what round should you draft a quarterback? No, give me the exact round.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I did at first. I said round 10. Like double digit rounds is basically when I look to grab a quarterback. Guaranteed. Not in your first three rounds like that don't. I don't care if it's the best quarterback in the league. There are too many good, much more important players in the first three rounds where you're not even considering it. If the best quarterback is in the fourth and you want to play that way, you can. We always argue for the value that can be found in those late late rounds.

[Andy Holloway]

Position Scarcity. You start one quarterback. The rest of your league starts one quarterback. So you're talking in a 12 team. Let's do the math. That's 12 starting quarterbacks last year over.

[Mike Wright]

And he nailed that.

[Jason Moore]

Over.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you. I got a little sweaty but we made it through as is. As was the result from the past few years as well. Over 40 quarterbacks put up at least one quarterback, one performance because you can stream. Guys, quarterback is the easiest position to play the matchup. It's the easiest position to find value late. You can find a starter late and if the late round starter doesn't pay off, you can just stream and you can be perfectly fine with the rest of your team loaded.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Before we close out today's show, we wouldn't be able to do this without the support of [e-mail] all the Foot clan, all of you listeners out there that subscribe to the show, just like Turtle Master out there that subscribe, that listen, that visit the website, that support us at Join the Foot that leave us reviews, all that stuff we really appreciate each and every one of you and that's why we do what we do all year long. So thank you very much. Thanks for tuning in. We'll be back with all the big time free agency news on the Thursday episode.

[Andy Holloway]

The sets.

[Jason Moore]

Oh show after the show. We're not done.

[Andy Holloway]

Also, best ball draft.comballers goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter the FFballers.