Fantasy Football 2018 - Player Price Check + WR Revelations

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast: Episode Summary

Episode Title: Fantasy Football 2018 - Player Price Check + WR Revelations
Release Date: June 5, 2018
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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1. Reception Perception Analysis

Overview:
The hosts delve into the concept of reception perception, a metric developed by Matt Harmon from NFL.com, which evaluates wide receivers independent of their quarterbacks. This analysis focuses on how receivers perform across various routes compared to the average.

Key Discussions:

• Randall Cobb's Performance:
  Jason Moore highlights Randall Cobb's reception perception as an overachiever despite changes in his team's quarterback situation. Moore remarks, “Cobb became an afterthought in fantasy” but his reception perception suggests he retains elite capabilities (04:55).

• Impact of Jordy Nelson's Departure:
  The absence of Jordy Nelson has shifted focus to other receivers like DeVante Adams and potentially Geronimo Allison. Moore suggests, “One of those two players is going to break out or break back in this year” (06:10).

• Marquise Lee's Struggles:
  Mike Wright points out Marquise Lee's disappointing reception perception metrics, rating him below the 11th percentile in multiple categories, indicating he may not hold up as the Jaguars' primary receiver (07:05).

• Michael Crabtree's Outlook:
  Despite his previous season's disappointing fantasy numbers, Crabtree's reception perception remains strong in various route categories. Andy Holloway considers him a viable option in PPR formats, anticipating he could lead his team in targets (09:06).

Notable Quote:

Jason Moore ([04:55]): "There’s no way that the wide receiver two from Green Bay, if Aaron Rodgers plays, there’s no game he finishes that low."

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2. ADP Price Check and Wide Receiver Rankings

Overview:
The segment focuses on Average Draft Position (ADP) in PPR leagues, evaluating several wide receivers and discussing their draft value and potential.

Key Discussions:

• Tyreek Hill's Draft Position:
  The trio debates whether Tyreek Hill is being drafted too early. Jason Moore argues that Hill is being overvalued, suggesting a position around the 212th pick (14:25). Mike Wright concurs, placing Hill around the 304th pick in PPR ADP.

• Comparing Hill to Peers:
  Andy Holloway emphasizes the tiered nature of wide receivers, suggesting that drafting Hill at his current ADP separates him from other valuable receivers like Adam Thielen and Doug Baldwin (19:26).

• Tariq Cohen as a Sleeper:
  Tariq Cohen is discussed as a potential sleeper with an ADP around the 606th pick in PPR leagues. The hosts weigh his value against other players like Carlos Hyde and Marshawn Lynch, ultimately favoring Cohen due to his potential role in the offensive scheme (24:39).

• Will Fuller’s Value:
  Initially perceived as undervalued, Will Fuller's ADP is surprisingly high, with Andy Holloway noting he’s being drafted directly behind Tariq Cohen. The hosts debate whether Fuller represents a high-upside pick worth his current draft position (29:01).

• Jameson Crowder Analysis:
  Jameson Crowder is scrutinized for his PPR value, with Mike Wright placing him around the 711th pick. The discussion highlights Crowder’s inconsistent performance and compares him to other receivers like Marquise Goodwin and Kelvin Benjamin (32:07).

Notable Quotes:

Jason Moore (14:11): “I've seen him go usually in the third as high as the second.”

Andy Holloway (19:26): “It seems foolish to probably be at the front end of that wide receiver group and grab Hill.”

Jason Moore (29:01): “He’s a guy that could put up two touchdowns.”

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3. Quarterback and Tight End ADP Insights

Quarterback Discussion:

• Kirk Cousins' Draft Position:
  Kirk Cousins is unexpectedly falling to the eighth round in PPR leagues, following quarterbacks like Jimmy Garoppolo and Jared Goff. Jason Moore recommends Cousins as a viable option in late rounds (35:10).

Tight End Discussion:

• Jordan Reed vs. Kyle Rudolph:
  In a listener question, the hosts debate whether to select Carson Wentz and David Njoku or Aaron Rodgers and Kyle Rudolph in a PPR Dynasty league. Jason Moore firmly opts for Rodgers and Rudolph, emphasizing their long-term value over Wentz and Njoku (43:54).

Notable Quotes:

Jason Moore (35:10): “Cousins is probably the first quarterback I would be looking at... I like Stafford, I like Rivers. I can get them a couple rounds later.”

4. Mailbag: Listener Questions and Advice

Key Topics:

• Dynasty League Draft Timing:
  A listener from Pittsburgh inquires about the optimal time to conduct a dynasty league draft. Jason Moore advises waiting until after week three of the preseason to mitigate risks associated with early-season injuries (39:57).

• League Setup Tips:
  Listeners seek advice on software and soundboard apps for managing their leagues. The hosts recommend tools like Audacity for recording and various soundboard applications, emphasizing the importance of choosing software that suits individual needs (49:00).

• Draft Position Strategy:
  A listener from Dakota, Missouri, asks whether to draft Aaron Rodgers and Kyle Rudolph or Carson Wentz and David Njoku in a Dynasty PPR league. The hosts collectively suggest Rodgers and Rudolph for their established performances and reliability (43:31).

Notable Quotes:

Jason Moore (39:57): “If the stakes are so much higher for if some guy has a catastrophic injury early in the season... I would prefer it to be later.”

Jason Moore (43:55): “I have Rodgers and Rudolph in our Dynasty league. And if someone offered me Wentz and Njoku, I would not accept the deal.”

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5. Community and Social Engagement

Overview:
The hosts encourage listeners to engage with the community through various platforms and participate in giveaways. They promote jointhefoot.com for joining leagues with other listeners and highlight ongoing giveaways like signed jerseys and footballs (12:41).

Notable Quote:

Andy Holloway (12:41): “You can win a signed Le'Veon Bell jersey or a signed Alvin Kamara Football... visit footclangiveaway.com to enter for free.”

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6. Final Thoughts and Recommendations

Overall Recommendations:

• Player Drafting Strategy:
  The hosts consistently emphasize the importance of evaluating players beyond consensus rankings, encouraging listeners to trust their own research and adjust based on individual league dynamics.

• Utilizing Reception Perception:
  Leveraging advanced metrics like reception perception can uncover hidden value in players who may underperform traditional fantasy expectations.

• Flexibility in Roster Construction:
  Building a balanced team with a mix of volume receivers and high-upside players can enhance league success.

Closing Remarks:
The Fantasy Footballers conclude the episode by reaffirming their commitment to providing insightful analysis and encouraging listeners to participate actively in their fantasy football strategies.

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Note: Timestamps correspond to the transcript provided and serve as references to specific discussions within the episode.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from Draft.com Studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you ruined it. Yeah, you just.

[Mike Wright]

I was. I was emphasizing with you, man.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I know you're.

[Andy Holloway]

I know your capabilities vocally, Mike, and that was not your best.

[Jason Moore]

Let's try it.

[Mike Wright]

I was doubling. No, it's a. No, it is a technique you use in the recording studio. You got to double the vocals. Makes them thicker, makes them beefier, makes them better.

[Andy Holloway]

That was not doubling. That was ruining.

[Mike Wright]

All right, go ahead.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome into the show, the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Back once more. Tuesday, June 5th. It is officially 6,000 degrees here in Arizona, and we are excited to be indoors talking to you.

[Jason Moore]

We have developed a really neat underground tunnel system from the house to the studio. It's the only way we can stay alive and not be burnt to a crisp.

[Andy Holloway]

Now, see, they do that type of thing where Brooks is from up in the Michigan land when it's snowing, all these king. They have tunnels and stuff so that you don't have to go out in the swing.

[Mike Wright]

I know there's tunnels, but like in Minnesota, there are skywalks. So in downtown, a lot of the buildings up high have walkways.

[Andy Holloway]

And the collegiate campuses you can get around mostly without going out. The true.

[Jason Moore]

Brooks.

[Andy Holloway]

Brooks. Can you confirm this?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, that is true. Yeah, she didn't go to college. He doesn't know what I'm talking about. True.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you had me going, man. What? There's.

[Andy Holloway]

It's where the mole people live. Well, welcome in. This episode is going to be fun. We have a ADP price check episode. So we're going to be walking through some names. I'm going to. These guys don't have the most recent average draft position data memorized, do you?

[Jason Moore]

No, I do.

[Andy Holloway]

So I'm going to.

[Mike Wright]

Maybe I Don't.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to have you guess where you believe that these players are going. We'll talk about where they are going in current mock drafts and we'll talk about some of the players going around them and whether you think they're a value, whether you think that they're going too early, that type of thing. But first, I want to get into a quick question on today's episode. And this is come straight out of the Ultimate Draft Kit, which released last week, the reception perception content. Okay, so Matt Harmon from NFL.com he creates the reception perception results for the Ultimate Draft Kit. And he looks at wide receivers independent of their quarterback, how do they perform in all of the major routes on the route tree compared to the average and are they, are they outperforming it? Are they underperforming it? And so I just wanted to ask you guys, what was the biggest surprise that you saw or one of the biggest surprises from the data that you saw about reception perception? So the results, they're in, what surprised you?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, for me, one of the guys that stood out as surprising, and I know it's equal for Matt Harmon, he said this was, this was surprising because of what we've seen the last two years prior. But Randall Cobb, Randall Cobb's reception perception last year, and that's, it's really the perfect example of using reception perception because it's quarterback agnostic. So you can't just go, oh, he had a, yeah, he had a bad year last year. Well, Aaron Rodgers was gone. That kind of matters a little bit. But regardless of what the quarterback did, whether the quarterback found him when he was open, whether the quarterback hit him when he was open, it doesn't matter. It's just when he's running routes, when he's against man, when he's against press, when he's against zone, when he's running slants or digs or curls, how'd he do? And it was cool to see that Cobb, which I think this last year we were a little hopeful for entering in the year that he was finally healthy again. He looked good with Aaron Rodgers to start the year, but then when Rodgers was gone, Cobb became an afterthought in fantasy. Looking through reception perception. He was kind of back in that form he had when he was an elite fantasy player.

[Andy Holloway]

No more Jordy Nelson.

[Jason Moore]

No more. And that's the thing I wanted to bring up is the combination of what reception perception showed Randall Cobb to be last year with the fact that Jordy's gone. I went back and I looked since 2011. Okay, so when Aaron Rodgers does play, where's his wide receiver to finish? He finishes. These are going back when he plays the wide receiver two finished 8th, 27th, 7th, 17th and 17th.

[Andy Holloway]

You're talking about Aaron Rodgers, wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay's wide receiver 2 when Rogers is playing. So that's an average of being the 15th wide receiver. And that's including the year where it was, you know, his wide receiver was 27th. Well, that year was the year he lost Jordy, so that, you know, his wide receiver one was 25th. It kind of was a strange year. So I think Randall Cobb right now, he's. He's like the 45th wide receiver off the board.

[Andy Holloway]

Represents a lot of upside.

[Jason Moore]

There's no way that the wide receiver two from Green Bay, if Aaron Rodgers plays, there's no game he finishes that low.

[Andy Holloway]

And I know what Devonte Adams did last year, but Adams hasn't been a one with Rogers before either. Like you gave those numbers. But what you're really saying is the person opposite Jordy Nelson.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Always did this, and now Jordy's gone. I don't even think we know how much he will look at Adams the same exact way. Obviously, he's not going to be the same as Jordy Nelson, and he should be the one far and away, but we haven't seen him have to be that. I think it's a very interesting situation because we know Rogers will put up numbers.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And just a shout out to Geronimo Allison.

[Mike Wright]

I wanted to say it. Maybe it's not Randall Cobb. It could end up being Geronimo Allison or one of these slew of draft picks.

[Jason Moore]

It's going to be one of those.

[Andy Holloway]

Mismatch of all of them.

[Jason Moore]

It could be, I think, either Randall Cobb or Geronimo Allison. One of those two players is going to break. Break out or break back in this year.

[Andy Holloway]

So I see both break up, break down.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I hope they don't break up. That's so hard when you go through a breakup, you know.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to have to break up.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Mike, who you got?

[Mike Wright]

I'm going with someone who was very disappointing in reception perception. And he raises his glass.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

It's the ugliest chart.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I've ever seen.

[Mike Wright]

Is the number one maybe for the Jacksonville Jaguars? I'm sorry to tell you this, Jacksonville Jaguars fans, but Marquise Lee is the only receiver that Harmon has done this season that is all red, which means that he scored subpar. Red means stop in every single category that he looks at, he is below the 11th percentile in success versus man, zone and press coverage.

[Jason Moore]

Nice.

[Mike Wright]

He is not creating separation. He is below average in the contested catch rate. He had a drop rate of when Harmon was starting him of 10.8%.

[Jason Moore]

That's bad. @ least he was up near the top. And something is.

[Mike Wright]

Everything about this is questionable.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And if you don't have the udk, if you haven't seen reception perception, you might even have seen the graphics. He's tracking the screen, the slant, the curl, the dig, the post, the nine, the corner, the out, the comeback, the flat and others.

[Andy Holloway]

And he was below average in all.

[Jason Moore]

Of them across the board. Not one did he. Not one was he yellow, was he average.

[Mike Wright]

So it will be interesting to see can Marquis Lee truly hold up as a number one? Does this give. Maybe Dee Dee can step forward or moncrief the 11 million doll there. There could be some goodness here on in the Jacksonville passing game and it might not be Marquis Lee, despite him being that kind of de facto number one.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. One of the things I like is looking to see whether a player is done right. We joke about it on the show all the time. A player, they hit the wall, it's over for them. Last year you might use Jeremy Macklin as an example, right? He comes in and he's supposed to be on a one year prove it deal with Baltimore. He proved it, he proved. And he's currently without a job.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he proved it.

[Andy Holloway]

So I wanted to look at Michael Crabtree and see if what we saw statistically was reflected in his play and his performance. And is he done? Is he about to repeat the Macklin in Baltimore situation? And despite the disappointing fantasy numbers last year, the reception perception numbers were very, very good for Michael Crabtree as opposed to Marquis Lee. He had no route in which he was below average. In fact, he was above average in most of them. He scored in the 84th percentile and the 97th percentile in success verse man and zone coverage. The big difference in the statistical drop off last year for Crabtree came down to those 50, 50 balls, right? He was this reliable red zone. Carr puts the ball up, never to Cooper, always to Crabtree, and he comes down with it. And last year he was not at the same success level. I think he was at 80 something percent on those the year before. He was at 65% last year. And that made a big impact in the numbers. Obviously they moved on from him. But it's interesting to see that he was outperforming the majority of the competition as that inside receiver, as that dominant slant curl dig route guy. And what does that mean in Baltimore? I'm not sure it means fantasy glory. I mean, I have him at 31 right now, so.

[Mike Wright]

But there's definitely upside there for Crabtree because his game is not. Is not out athlete you. Michael Crabtree is.

[Andy Holloway]

It's technique, it's precision.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly. It's creating separation in these routes. So. And Flacco has already been talking about getting used to Michael Crabtree, which. Which Carr went through this as well in Oakland, who just. He says, this guy runs weird routes, man, but it's it. So it works for Michael Crabtree, gets him open. I'm very interested what Crabtree can do as a number one for a kind of anemic passing attack, but I. I have him ranked lower like you do, Andy. But I think that of players, when you talk about variance, Michael Crabtree still has a very nice ceiling to me, even though I'm not projecting it.

[Andy Holloway]

And I think he's really attractive to me in full PPR formats because I don't see any reason why he can't lead the team in targets in that offense. The last two players that really had fantasy relevance at the wide receiver position for them, however, were both, you know, field stretcher type of guys when Steve Smith kind of reemerged and Torrey Smith. But Bolden had some success there. And I would use him as the template for what you'd get with Crabtree, Bolden, later in his career possession guy every week. You couldn't count on him in fantasy, but he did have those weeks when he scored and he was. He was valuable. So it was nice to see that Crabtree, at least on film. Not yet done. Not yet. All right.

[Mike Wright]

My dynasty team.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you've been hoping and praying.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's something.

[Andy Holloway]

It's something.

[Jason Moore]

Squeeze that rag.

[Andy Holloway]

Every drop. YouTube. You can find us on YouTube. Subscribe over there. Click that. Little Mike's waving to the camera. Click the little alert button so you know when a new episode is out. We've got our PPR mock draft from our half point perception mock draft from last week up on there. That's a lot of fun on Twitter. You can find us at the FF Ballers. Find Jason at Jason ffl. Mike is at FF Hitman. I'm at Andy Holloway, and the website is the fantasy footballers.com, i believe. Brooks, am I right? We still have a little bit of time left on this giveaway. Oh, yeah. Okay. So you can win a Just over a week. Okay. You can win a signed Le'Veon Bell jersey or a signed Alvin Camara Football. These are. These are nice.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Footclangiveaway.com free to enter footclangiveaway.com I think without further ado, we're gonna move on to our main event. Gentlemen. Let's do it. You better check yourself before you wreck yourself. Talking to you, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Chickity check, man.

[Andy Holloway]

You got a daily. You got to check yourself daily.

[Mike Wright]

I check it on the regs.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. All right. Mike is so cool. It's beyond me. He's just so cool. All right. By the way, the average draft position list that I'm using today is from fantasy football. Calculator.com always interesting. As we evolve through the off season. We're in June now, and more and more mock drafts are taking place. You now have the rookies that are establishing themselves more and more in the. In these mock drafts and where people are comfortable taking them. You know, we took a bunch of rookies in our mock draft on the show last week. But I'm curious about. I've got eight guys, and I want to see if you guys can first of all guess about where they're going and then talk about their value. So let's start with a wide receiver. His team has had a lot of change this offseason, and we're talking about Tyreek the freak. Tyreek Hill. Where do you think Tyreek Hill is going? You have the addition of Sammy Watkins. Too high. The quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

Really?

[Andy Holloway]

Really. That's your opinion on Tyreek Hill?

[Jason Moore]

That's my opinion on Tyreek Hill. That is going too high. I've seen him go usually in the third as high as the second. I'm going to. I'm going to guess back of the second, like 212.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

And if he's going near there, it's too high for my blood.

[Mike Wright]

And now is that simply based off of risk aversion with. With Pat Mahomes?

[Jason Moore]

It's a triple threat of Pat Mahomes coming in. So we don't know, you know, how he's going to be used. The offensive coordinator did change. Granted, Andy Reid is the offensive mastermind. But that's. And then the third one, which is actually the biggest one. Sammy Watkins is there. There has not been another wide receiver worthy of targeting for Kansas City.

[Andy Holloway]

But. But, Mike, what do you think? Where do you think he's going? And I just want to know now. This is PPR ADP I grabbed. Okay. That is important standard. Yep.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Stand by it.

[Andy Holloway]

What did you say?

[Mike Wright]

So Jason's official answer for this game of where exactly are they being drafted is too hot.

[Jason Moore]

That is my answer for Tyreek Hill, but specifically.

[Mike Wright]

Which means no matter what.

[Jason Moore]

That's right.

[Andy Holloway]

That's how I play 12, Mike, is.

[Mike Wright]

This price is right action.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you don't want to like.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to go. I don't think he's going as high as the second round, especially in a ppr. He's still valuable. He. He finished as the wide receiver seven last year in half point. I'm going to go right around the 304. 304.

[Andy Holloway]

So, Mike, you are the closest there. It's.

[Mike Wright]

I thought I hit it.

[Andy Holloway]

I was like 305. 305. So Tyreek is going too high in the third round. And let me give you some names. He's going behind wide receivers A.J. green and Mike Evans significantly behind them. Those are both kind of tail into the second round right now. Hill is in the middle of the third. And then after Tyree Kill and Jason.

[Jason Moore]

This is what matters.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason, would you take these receivers ahead of Tyreek Hill? I know the answer to the first one. Adam Thielen.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, 100%.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I would take Thielen over Ty Hilton.

[Jason Moore]

If Andrew Luck is healthy, then yes. Otherwise, no. That's kind of doesn't count.

[Mike Wright]

That's so close. I'm not going to doubt Tyree Kill and his ability. I get that Sammy Watkins is there especially. He rode in on his golden chariot carried by four very strong men. He was making so much freaking money there, but he's just so successful at what he does.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Being very fast. And he's. He's not just fast. I think he's a good route runner and he's good hands, too.

[Jason Moore]

I like Tyree Kill as a player. I really do. This is not any. This isn't anti Tyreek Hill. This is anti. Banking on the situation he's been in the last two years. The situation has changed. And so I am.

[Mike Wright]

I think that you're just. Your deep burning passion and desire for Sammy Watkins to actually be good is clouding what Tyreek Hill has done his.

[Andy Holloway]

First two years to disparage Tyreek Hill to prop up Sammy Watkins potential.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you. Thank you. And thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

But you are. You're choosing to. And hill went from 9.7 a catch in kind of a gadgety role back in 2016 up to 15.8 per catch. Last year he had only 14 more receptions and yet put up 500 more yards.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, there could be some regression.

[Andy Holloway]

1183 on the yardage on 75 receptions for Tyree Kill. So the nice thing about the, I guess the counter Jason story to the narrative there is that you're not taking a player that's in the 90 to 100 to 110 catch range.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Allah the target count for Mike Evans, his lone season with no one around him in Tampa, where we saw that number change a lot from a target standpoint, I tend to think that I would take Adam Thielen ahead of him, but I'm not sure anybody else in this group. Doug Baldwin, Amari Cooper.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would take Doug Baldwin and not Amari Cooper.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Baldwin. I would because of all the targets that have vacated Seattle's offense and they're.

[Andy Holloway]

All going to Brandon Marshall now. Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah. Are you comparing that just means they're.

[Jason Moore]

Going to Baldwin on fourth down.

[Mike Wright]

Adam Thielen sitting there at a nice 27% target share, which is very, very nice to compare to Tyreek's hill. Tyreek Hill's 19.4.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's what I think. I think that taking Tyreek Hill at 306 or 305 right now represents a pretty significant tear break between the guys going before him. Adams, Allen, Green, Evans. Then you've. Right now you're seeing a break with some running backs and a couple quarterbacks go. And then you have a brand new tier of wide outs that are going. Hill, Thielen, Hilton, Baldwin, Cooper. It seems foolish to probably be at the front end of that wide receiver group and grab Hill. Because even if you like him, I don't think the justification of liking him more than those other guys would push you to the top of that list when you could settle in on somebody else.

[Mike Wright]

It's a fair point. The man was given a pretty tall task this past year.

[Andy Holloway]

Be the number one.

[Mike Wright]

It was Tyree Kill. We've seen you have success as the gadget player getting the sweeps and just the nine route. Now you're the number one. Jeremy Macklin, you're gone. And he stepped up to the challenge. And so I just am not doubting no Tyree Kill.

[Jason Moore]

And the thing is, if, you know, for those of the listeners that have listened for more than a year, we, you know, they recognize last year I was all about Tyree Kill. We as a group, you know, we, we bought into his talent and the volume would be there. So this is not me saying I don't believe in Terry Kill. I just don't, I don't want to bake all that volume.

[Mike Wright]

Sammy, you feel like it will take that much away?

[Jason Moore]

I do. I think Sammy Watkins. I think that there is a world where Sammy Watkins actually finishes as, as the number one wide receiver in Kansas City. That's not. Oh, yeah, Tyreek bringing him back. And that's not me saying that Sammy will do that. I'm not projecting that in my rankings I've got Tyree Kill finishing as the wide receiver one. But if at the end of 2018, Sammy Watkins was the number one target, that, that wouldn't, I wouldn't be like you couldn't have seen.

[Andy Holloway]

I got, I've got a crazy question, then we'll move on to another player. These two players are going two picks apart right now. Who would you rather flex, Tyreek Hill or Travis Kelsey then?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that's very interesting because I feel.

[Andy Holloway]

Like all of your Watkins arguments in a full.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, no, I think I'd rather have Travis Kelsey. I think his, his role is more secure.

[Andy Holloway]

Interesting, huh?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I take Tyreek Hill.

[Mike Wright]

This is a week to week flex question.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Because just, just because I want to.

[Mike Wright]

Then if it's a week to week flex question, then yes, it's going to be Tyree Kill. Because in my flex, just the way I've lined up and built my team, that's where I put my nitro.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, yeah, he is your nitro.

[Mike Wright]

So I hit the turbo button because the rest of my team is solid. Before we move on to the rest of the ADP price check, want to thank today's sponsor, Omaha Steaks. You trying to find the perfect gift for Father's Day? Look no further than Omaha Steaks. Ladies and gentlemen, I have recently received a giant box of meat from Omaha Steaks and it is incredible. I have been grilling, grilling like a villain. I've been getting out there facing the heat. Don't care because it's too delicious. And right now, Omaha Steaks is offering our listeners a limited Father's Day package for only $49.99. That's 78% off. It's an amazing deal. You go to OmahaSteaks.com, you search footballers and you can get this Father's Day package which includes, let me take a breath. 2 filet mignons, 2 sirloins, 4 chicken fried steaks, 2 boneless pork chops, 4 all beef Omaha steak burgers, 4 jumbo frank, 12 ounces of all beef meatballs, 1 pound of steakhouse fries, 4 caramel apple tartlets, 1 Omaha steak seasoning packet, plus get 4 more Omaha steak burgers free with purchase again this limited time package for only $49.99. When you go to omahasteaks.com and you type footballers in the search bar, get that Father's Day present right now.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

All right, next ADP price check. Gentlemen, PPR average draft position. Let's talk about a different. It's not Tyreek the freak, it's Tariq the freak. Tariq Cohen, dinosaur hunter.

[Mike Wright]

Is that a Turok reference?

[Jason Moore]

Yes, it is.

[Mike Wright]

That's so bad. It's Tariq.

[Jason Moore]

I'm living it.

[Mike Wright]

I love it. It's closer than.

[Jason Moore]

It's closer than I gave her credit for.

[Andy Holloway]

I remember that game.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. With something new might have just been born, gentlemen.

[Andy Holloway]

One part first person shooter, one part dinosaurs. Are you kidding me?

[Mike Wright]

No, it was all about Turok 2 with the monkey tag. Shout out to my people who know what I'm talking about.

[Andy Holloway]

Goodness, good that turned. All right, let's talk about Tariq the dinosaur hunter. Tariq Cohen. Where do you think he's going in ppr, adps. And when you look at standard, I'll tell you this, your standard to PPR difference for Cohen is some one of the bigger ones out there. It's a couple rounds.

[Jason Moore]

Wow.

[Mike Wright]

It makes sense because he. You would want him more in a ppr.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah, yeah. About two rounds, man.

[Jason Moore]

Mike, I went first last round, so.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah. Tariq is one of our favorite sleepers of this fantasy football season, but I think that he's still. You can still get him a little bit cheap. I'm going to take. Or I'm going to say his ADP price check is at the 907.

[Jason Moore]

I think it's got to be higher than that, especially after Andy said that there's a big disparity between PPR and standard.

[Mike Wright]

I think it's undrafted.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. No, I think it's standard. He's still being drafted. I'm going to. I'm going to take him, man. I was going to go seven, but I feel like I'm going to go eight. I'm going to go eight. And be safe. I'll go 805. Okay.

[Mike Wright]

805.

[Andy Holloway]

And I. Mike's very energetic responses are all very inaccurate. Tariqah 606.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I knew. I knew because PPR. I thought he's 806 in standard.

[Andy Holloway]

He's 606 in PPR. And.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, he's not my favorite sleeper anymore.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me read to you players that are going around him, and maybe it'll change your mind.

[Mike Wright]

You don't have to. I want all of them.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, do you want Tevin Coleman or do you want Tariq Cohen?

[Mike Wright]

Coleman.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Coleman's going two picks ahead of. Coleman's going two picks ahead of Cohen. Carlos Hyde or Tariq Cohen?

[Jason Moore]

Hyde. Ooh.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, probably.

[Andy Holloway]

Hyde's going four picks behind Cohen in PPR leagues, which I would take Cohen over Hyde in PPR league.

[Mike Wright]

Hyde is going to drop even further. Hyde is going to become a value.

[Andy Holloway]

We'll find out. Chris Thompson or Tariq Cohen?

[Jason Moore]

Chris Thompson.

[Andy Holloway]

I would take Cohen.

[Mike Wright]

I would take. I think I would take Thompson.

[Andy Holloway]

Wow. Okay, so this is why you believe he used later Marlon Mack or Tariq Cohen?

[Mike Wright]

Well, you know, I'm taking Marlon Mack.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I would say Cohen. How about Marshawn Lynch?

[Mike Wright]

Marshawn.

[Jason Moore]

Marshawn.

[Andy Holloway]

And I would take Cohen. Marshawn's going around behind Tariq Cohen in PPR leagues.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So the hype is real, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Someone's listening, apparently, here. Psa to everyone who has listened already to this episode. No, don't talk up Randall Cobb and Geronimo Allison.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, you're talking to yourself. You do a podcast.

[Jason Moore]

No, I know. I'm just saying you talk to the millions of people. This is our job. We're talking. But you. You guys listening. You. You. We have enough people listening where it'll raise the ADP a little. But don't tell your friends.

[Mike Wright]

You are telling people not to listen to, not to spread our show around that.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, look, I want Foot Clan titles. I want our winners, our listeners to be winners. So you know, do what you do what you got to do. But I'm saying keep them as values because early in the off season the dinosaur hunter looked great.

[Andy Holloway]

Bye.

[Jason Moore]

And he's. He's risen out of.

[Mike Wright]

He's gonna hammer this by this.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. His references are from the Turok Cretaceous. Turok Cohen. Turok Cohen is the worst nickname that's ever been made on this show. And you know I love it. You know it.

[Mike Wright]

Six round is this.

[Andy Holloway]

I was gonna say Mike, based on, based on your reaction, you wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole at the 6.

[Mike Wright]

I am very excited for him. But he is a. I designate him as a sleeper for a reason that I. The potential is there is the gap.

[Andy Holloway]

Between him and Corey Clement four rounds like it is right now because clement is a PPR 10th round pick.

[Mike Wright]

I see them very close. I see them in the same type of a tier.

[Jason Moore]

You got a guy last year, look when you watch the film, Turok Cohen was really almost full spit take. Cohen looked great. But this is a guy who didn't get 400 yards on the ground. He didn't get 400 yards through the air. Now he's got a new offensive coordinator coming who's saying things about how Jordan Howard, you know, is going to be used different in different games. And that means a tool like Turok Cohen is going to be really valuable to an offensive coordinator.

[Mike Wright]

We got to go to the judge on this one. Judge Giamatti.

[Andy Holloway]

Get it out of here.

[Jason Moore]

Turok the dinosaur hunter coming to stay. And I will refuse to listen to the judge.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll never bring him up again. All right. Will Fuller. Guys, last year Will Fuller was the best wide receiver in the history of the world for about a week and two. No, he was a touchdown machine.

[Jason Moore]

I think he was on Pace for 700 touchdowns after Watson weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So I have not seen Will Fuller go high in drafts. The ones that I've been surprised. I am too. I think he's actually might be a value. So I'm going to guess since I'm going first here, I'm going to guess rather low. This is ppr. I'm going to guess that he is ninth round.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going double digit for him.

[Jason Moore]

I don't blame him.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to put him at the 10:06.

[Andy Holloway]

You're both very wrong.

[Mike Wright]

What is he rising?

[Andy Holloway]

He is the pick directly behind Tariq Cohen right now.

[Mike Wright]

What is happening?

[Jason Moore]

Holy moly.

[Andy Holloway]

Will Fuller is in now, if I read the names around, maybe.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Change your mind.

[Mike Wright]

That is shocking.

[Andy Holloway]

Corey Davis, Devin Funches, Pierre Garcon.

[Mike Wright]

Of those guys, I would take Garcon.

[Andy Holloway]

I would take all of those guys above Will Fuller.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You know, the thing is, is it really comes down to roster construction at that point, because Fuller represents an.

[Mike Wright]

Let me read this.

[Jason Moore]

I don't want to rely on because of his volume. That won't be there. But, man, he's a guy that could put up two touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

He's 12 in standard, so he goes down to almost the seventh round in standard. He's in the Chris Hogan.

[Mike Wright]

He goes down in a standard.

[Andy Holloway]

He does. He's the Chris Hogan. I'm guessing that wide receivers in general get pulled out in PPR format. So.

[Mike Wright]

So will Fuller, his first four games of the season, which were his four games with DeSean Watson, wide receiver 7, wide receiver 6, wide receiver 17, wide receiver 3. All I. That would be why everyone is bought into DeSean Watts. That's a. That's an egregious statement. There are many, many people who are bought into DeSean Watson. You can tell from his 80 peak as the second quarterback off the board and.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man, I. Can I just interrupt you real quick? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I heard a great word come out of your mouth on accident that referring to Deshaun Watson's 80 peak, which is perfect.

[Mike Wright]

He has.

[Jason Moore]

He's at his 80 peak right now.

[Mike Wright]

But anyways, you're welcome for birthing that one. Trademark FF Hitman adp. But just so six round is. I. I think that's fine because that's about where you're. You're starting to take some shots.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I don't have a problem with.

[Mike Wright]

Those guys behind him.

[Jason Moore]

Look at. Look at the difference here. Tariq Cohen. I don't. Oh, man. I already messed up.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, they're.

[Andy Holloway]

They're happy. The judge rules. The judge judge rules.

[Jason Moore]

All right, well, people go to Twitter, vindicate me. I don't think it's gonna happen.

[Andy Holloway]

N64 box covers of Turok showing up.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, N64 was great.

[Mike Wright]

It was pretty amazing.

[Jason Moore]

But. But you know, what is the chance. Percentage chance that he could Finish as an RB1 versus Will Fuller having the opportunity to finish as an RB1 or as a wide receiver one? I think that the ceiling is much higher on Fuller.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, I Completely agree.

[Jason Moore]

So if you want to take that shot, even though that's higher than I would want to draft him because I'm probably still looking volume if we're in the sixth, seventh round and less touchdown upside guys. But I don't have a problem doing that at all. I mean if, if he comes back to form with Watson then you know you've got a real 17 yards of catch often touchdown scoring freak out there.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. All right, let's talk about another wide receiver, Jameson Crowder. I don't think people know how to think about him. PPR league. Where do you think Jameson Crowder is currently going?

[Mike Wright]

I think that people are recovering from Crowder not really coming through this past season. But in a ppr you still have to be interested. I'm going to slot him behind Will Fuller based off of his six round draft price which is bananas but not too far. I'm going to go 7, 7 11. Just going to go. Oh, thank heaven.

[Jason Moore]

That's a really good spot because I wasn't sure I was going to put him right around there. I'm going to take the under. I'll go 712.

[Andy Holloway]

He's going in 906 right now. So would you rather have Jameson Crowder at 906 or Will Fuller at, you know, back at the 6?

[Jason Moore]

That's it's probably going to be Crowder because in the 6th you mentioned some running backs when we were talking about Tariq Cohen who weren't that I would like to have. So I would pair Crowder with one of those running backs rather than the running backs going in the ninth with Will Fuller. I, you know, I would say it's a roster construction thing as do you want a volume guy versus a high upside guy. But in general I'm going to take those Round three round differences is a pretty big gap.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I'm going to read you some names around Jameson Crowder.

[Jason Moore]

Crowder crowd air.

[Andy Holloway]

Devontae Parker or Jamison. Crowder.

[Mike Wright]

Crowder crowd air.

[Andy Holloway]

Marquise Goodwin or Jameson Crowder. Ooh, Crowder crowd air.

[Mike Wright]

I think I'm gonna take good one.

[Jason Moore]

That's close. It's definitely close.

[Andy Holloway]

Randall Cobb.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, there's my boy.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I would take the upside of Cobb.

[Jason Moore]

Give me some Cobb salad.

[Andy Holloway]

Poop or cup.

[Mike Wright]

Cup.

[Andy Holloway]

Cup and Cobb. By the way, the old cup and cob.

[Jason Moore]

You put the cob salad in a cup.

[Andy Holloway]

Are back. Benjamin or Crowder?

[Jason Moore]

Benjamin.

[Mike Wright]

Oh yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I would probably take the Benjamin.

[Jason Moore]

I feel like we all want to disparage Kelvin Benjamin because he's been such a lumbering injured.

[Andy Holloway]

He's like a guy.

[Jason Moore]

But the reality is like one of.

[Mike Wright]

The ints is that Lord of the.

[Andy Holloway]

Rings from Lord of the Rings.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, because he's, he's a big lumbering, you know, but three tree.

[Mike Wright]

But the reality is he's got big branches.

[Jason Moore]

He's the only guy there. I mean we talk about Charles Clay being necessary and Charles Clay. I mean he makes Kelvin Benjamin look like Tyree Kill.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, quarterback Kirk Cousins. Ooh, PPR. ADP for Kirk Cousins.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to go 701.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to go higher than that. I'm going to go 603.

[Andy Holloway]

804.

[Jason Moore]

What?

[Andy Holloway]

804.

[Mike Wright]

I thought there was a block of quarterbacks going right in that sixth round. Maybe I guess the. I'm thinking of standard and they just.

[Andy Holloway]

Get pushed down, the quarterbacks ahead of him.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's got to be like quarterback five or six off the draft board though, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Let me take a quick look at that. He's going right after some of the bigger names that you would expect. Cousins is currently the eighth quarterback off the board.

[Mike Wright]

Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

Pretty big gap between Brees right now. Newton and Brees are both seventh round picks. Cousins and Garoppolo are eighth round picks. And I would take Cousins by a country mile. Jimmy Garoppolo.

[Jason Moore]

Cousins is probably based on that, ADP would be the first quarterback I would be looking at. You know, anything higher than the eighth round, I'm not really looking. And to me Cousins is still a tier above some of those other late round guys that I like. You know, I like Stafford, I like Rivers. I can get them a couple rounds later but I see Stafford still cut above that. So I might consider it right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Cousins goes and then Garoppolo and then around later Goff and behind him, Stafford.

[Mike Wright]

Beware, beware of the G men in Jimmy Garoppolo and Jared Goff.

[Andy Holloway]

Jordan Reed. We'll wrap it up with Jordan Reed. We'll get into some mailbag. Jordan Reed. Where do you think his average draft position is? Because where are. Does it change because of OTAs and training camp and if he looks healthy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it'll definitely change. The problem is I'm not sure that he is fully healthy yet. So I'm going to guess that he is in that seventh round. But I went first last time.

[Mike Wright]

I think he's, I think he's actually behind that and I'm going to go 800-804-712, 809. Okay, that's going better. Closer.

[Andy Holloway]

He's going in a range, though, very interestingly, where no tight ends go. Right now, Trey Burton goes 710. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Wow. Trey Burton's going ahead of Jordan Reed now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Trey Burton is now ahead of Jordan reed.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, definitely 7.

[Andy Holloway]

10. And then Jordan reads at 800 9, and you don't get another tight end off the board until 10. 10. Oh, nine.

[Jason Moore]

Where is.

[Andy Holloway]

Two rounds later? George Kittle, Tyler Ifert.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man. So that means that would you rather.

[Andy Holloway]

Have Rudolph in the 11th round, where he's currently going, or Jordan reed in a PPR 8th?

[Mike Wright]

I'll take the upside of Jordan Reed.

[Andy Holloway]

I think I would.

[Jason Moore]

I would as well. Where. Where was Rudolph going then? Ahead of Trey. Boo. Boo.

[Andy Holloway]

I assume Kyle Rudolph is going at 703. Delaney Walker, 705. Trey Burton, 710.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, so, Mr. Kyle Rudolph, man crush over here. PPR. It's the seventh round. You're taking a tight end. Are you taking Rudolph over Trey Burton?

[Jason Moore]

I am taking Rudolph over Trey Burton. I like Trey Burton a lot, but that's yet to be seen. Never shown it in as far as being the primary weapon. And we haven't seen the new Bears offense. I project him high. I like him, but I'm going to take Burton hand.

[Andy Holloway]

Burton in hand.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I heard.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's get into the mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag?

[Andy Holloway]

It's called doubling, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but you got to get doubling stronger, thicker, better.

[Mike Wright]

You got to get in pitch. Then you know, when you double, you do the exact same thing.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you trying to contend that you were in pitch for the opening of the show? Because it sounded like you were like you had popped out of a garbage can, screaming.

[Mike Wright]

Well, here's the thing, is, I live.

[Jason Moore]

In a garbage can.

[Mike Wright]

No, I'm over here. Like an angelic choir, right? Just. Just streaming forth the lovely, docile tones of the mailbag, and you open it up with a. With an atonal scream. And I was joining in to make it girthy.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, okay. We'll see what Twitter thinks. They always take your side anyway. All right.

[Mike Wright]

I love you, Twitter.

[Andy Holloway]

Unverified love. If you have a question for the show, go to the fantasy footballers dot com, click the Submit a question button, or better yet, dial our voicemail hotline. 302-464-TFFB. We're gonna hit the voicemail first.

[Caller]

Hello, ballers, this is Ken from Pittsburgh. Hey, got a quick question for you. Finally got enough guys to commit to do a dynasty league, and I'm super excited to do my first one. When should I do my first draft? When should I try to get everybody committed? We got high interest right now since everybody just committed. Should I do it now or should we wait till closer to the season so people don't get messed up with injuries? Love to hear what you guys think. Love the podcast. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. What do you guys think?

[Jason Moore]

I would, I would highly recommend for a Dynasty startup. So, like, one of the great things about Dynasty is you do it. You could, you could play more in the off season. Right. But when it comes to the Startup draft, the first initial Startup draft, that's going to impact the next decade of your league. And so it's really hard for me to recommend, like, if everyone's in agreement and they understand the risk, do it early. But my recommendation would probably be after week three of preseason, same as we do with Redraft, because it just, you know, the stakes are so much higher for if some guy has a catastrophic injury early in the season and before you ever had them in the Dynasty Startup Draft, where you're going to have this roster forever, I would prefer it to be later.

[Mike Wright]

I'm fine with that. And a reminder, we kind of talked about Dynasty startups. If you look up, episode 525 is back at February 22nd. We kind of elaborated on it at length.

[Andy Holloway]

By the way, if you want to get in a league with some other Foot Clan listeners, you can check out jointhefoot.com our community. We give you access to Foot Clan leagues you can join Dynasty leagues, startup leagues, local leagues, online leagues, all that stuff. We know finding good people is tough, which this listener kind of insinuated here. It's been tough to get everybody on board and interested. Glad you got it done. But if you need people, check that out. All right. Thomas in Germany.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, bonjour.

[Mike Wright]

Bonjour.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm in a 12 team league and I'm allowed to choose as the second in the league from which spot I want to draft. What do you think? Where would you want to draft this year? These questions are now on our doorstep.

[Jason Moore]

I think I want to draft four.

[Mike Wright]

Do you? You'd rather pass on Bell or Gurley?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

For just a slightly improved second round.

[Jason Moore]

Pick, I would because to me, Bell, Johnson, Zeke and Johnson are close enough. I do have them kind of, you know, maybe not in the same exact tier, but they're close enough where that second round you watch depending on who goes, and it's like, oh, there's that one player you're hoping makes back to you and every one of those spots matter. So that's, that's my current.

[Andy Holloway]

I would go five.

[Jason Moore]

I'm also.

[Andy Holloway]

I would take. I would take the fifth pick, but.

[Jason Moore]

The fifth pick is Antonio Brown almost always. And I'm fine with that.

[Andy Holloway]

No, that's. That's not what it would be for me. I would go fifth pick Alvin Camara. If the first four went, I'd be at five because I think in a lot of drafts, the first four aren't going to go chalk. Antonio Brown will sneak in there and I'll get one of those top four anyway. At five. So I would take five.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Andy Holloway]

You just want to be at the top, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not. I'm not opposed to going four, but being able to have Levy on Bell is such an advantage. And I'll put Todd Gurley in there even though, look, Gurley could have some regression. We just, we know that Le'Veon Bell.

[Jason Moore]

Gurley is usually ADP. Gurley is the number one. So by what you're saying, it sounds like you would take the number two spot. Hope that you get Lev Bell there. Fine with Gurley. Yeah, but essentially what we are saying is that the advantage, so long as health comes, I mean, you know, there's always busts in the first round, but the advantage of having one of those absolute elite stud players that are only found on the first few picks is worth picking that spot somewhere in there.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, this question comes in from Dakota in Missouri.

[Mike Wright]

That's confusing.

[Jason Moore]

What?

[Andy Holloway]

You should hear the question from Missouri in Dakota.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that's next.

[Andy Holloway]

I pre ordered my UDK and I love it.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

Dakota in a PPR Dynasty league, would you rather have Carson Wentz and David Njoku or Aaron Rodgers and Kyle Rudolph? Now, mind you, PPR Dynasty league. So Wince and Joku or Rogers and Rudolph?

[Jason Moore]

Well, I can tell you I will.

[Andy Holloway]

Take Rogers and Rudolph.

[Jason Moore]

I can tell you I have Rogers and Rudolph in our Dynasty league. And if someone offered me Wince and Njoku, I would not accept the deal.

[Andy Holloway]

Who won that league last year?

[Mike Wright]

I don't really remember.

[Jason Moore]

I don't remember. No.

[Mike Wright]

Brooks, do you remember who won that league? The Dynasty League?

[Jason Moore]

No. Shut your mouth, Brooks.

[Andy Holloway]

Sorry, guys.

[Mike Wright]

Play along.

[Andy Holloway]

It stung.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Andy got.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, he got us. It was me.

[Mike Wright]

I'm gonna take the Rogers.

[Jason Moore]

Andy actually went on. Oh, wait, no. You didn't go undefeated, did you?

[Andy Holloway]

I lost one game. I lost one game. It's pretty rare to go undefeated. I wanted to stay humble. All right, Mike In Cambridge, England.

[Jason Moore]

Failed.

[Mike Wright]

Bonjour.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, bonjour.

[Andy Holloway]

Failed. I have the second pick in the first round after a dismal season last year. Yeah, I know. The consensus is Belle Gurley, maybe a B, but I would I be completely insane drafting Saquon with the number two pick as there is no way he will make it back to me in the second round? Well, yes, you are right. There is no way that will happen. Love the work. I have faith in the UDK and that it will bring me back to the playoffs this year.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to. I want to say no. I want to say you're not insane at all, but I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say you're insane for that. And here's why.

[Andy Holloway]

I believe you said, I'm going to say no, but I'm going to say yes.

[Jason Moore]

No, I said I want to say no.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, okay.

[Jason Moore]

But I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say yes. Because you finished number two. I want you finished with the second pick, and you had a poor season, and I think you just don't want to get too cute with it. Maybe that's what happened last year. You're right. Barkley's almost guaranteed to not make it back to you. And we always recommend. Look, if you want to take your guy, take your guy. If he can't make it back to.

[Andy Holloway]

You, just don't take that guy at that spot. Take other guys.

[Jason Moore]

No. And, you know, it's just the first. Like the first round. Maybe the first two rounds are the only places where.

[Andy Holloway]

What if he's a Giants fan?

[Mike Wright]

Yes. I disagree that we know that guys are going to bust. We'll have the shows coming up soon where we take a look, and you look at that first round and you go, there's a. There's just no way that any of these guys will bust. And then fast forward a year and we'll look back and 50% of them will have busted.

[Andy Holloway]

So you think, take him.

[Mike Wright]

I'm fine taking Saquon Barkley because you know the volume will be there. You don't take a guy second overall who has. Who has serious chops in the passing game to not just feed him until he vomits everywhere on a weekly basis. So I am okay going with Barkley because the volume is safe.

[Andy Holloway]

Ryan and Buffalo says, how comfortable would you be with Jerick McKinnon or as he writes, Jericho McKinnon as your first.

[Jason Moore]

Back them all is coming down if.

[Andy Holloway]

You went wide receiver, wide receiver with your first two picks, I would be fine with it.

[Jason Moore]

I'd be 100% fine with Jerick McKinnon as a standard.

[Mike Wright]

It's a standard.

[Jason Moore]

Even still, I mean, if you end up going wide receiver, wide receiver, usually if I've done that, it's only because you were able to do that, like Julio and Odell Beckham double up. Because everyone went running back, wide receivers fell. And that's why I went wide receiver, wide receiver. If I've got those two guys or something like it and I can have Jerick McKinnon as my number one, I'm cool with that.

[Mike Wright]

Agreed.

[Andy Holloway]

Shouldn't it be called half ppr? Says Kyle in Philadelphia. As we know, PPR stands for points per reception. So whenever I hear somebody refer to half point ppr, what they're really saying is half point point per reception leagues.

[Jason Moore]

Yep, full point ppr.

[Andy Holloway]

The FF ballers preferred scoring system. Can you enact the universal change that these leagues will henceforth be known as half ppr or better yet, hppr. Thank you. Love the show.

[Jason Moore]

I love your astute observations. But instead, we're going to enact a little bit of grace. A little bit of grace because we all talk about different things. I'll meet listeners and they've so frequently word things that I haven't heard. When they talk the numbers, they're like, I think this guy is going to be WR12. And I've never, you know, it's like, you know, the wide receiver 12 or something. And it's like, yeah, I can have grace for that. Cool. I know what you're saying.

[Andy Holloway]

When I talk about PPR leagues or half point leagues, I try to say the. When I say it the full way, I try to say half point per reception or point per reception as opposed to the way that you said it. But it does happen and it's just kind of what people are used to.

[Mike Wright]

It's blame it on the PPR people. I mean, take your beef with them because they're the ones who should have said full ppr, but instead they, they got us saying nonsense like full point ppr.

[Jason Moore]

Brooks. It's.

[Mike Wright]

It's not Brooks. Not my fault.

[Jason Moore]

Brooks is a full PPR guy.

[Andy Holloway]

So has that not changed? It has not changed. Oh, yeah, he's.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, by what I'm. Brooks is a full point PPR guy.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Justin in Paradise, Nevada. Oh, Consensus rankings hide bold opinions that are have a higher risk.

[Mike Wright]

Hold on, Brooks.

[Jason Moore]

It's a really good point. Mike Cambridge.

[Mike Wright]

I thought it was paradise.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm going To go to a different question there, because I don't understand that one whatsoever. Daniel in Charleston, South Carolina, any suggestions on software you use when you first created a show for your league? Anything that we can use as a soundboard app that we can manipulate. So they remember that when we started. And for those of you out there who maybe are new listeners, this is a tech question. This is an old school question too, because when we started this podcast, Mike and I actually began as a podcast for our league, only for 12 people. And we used to just once a week go into his office and record a show during lunch and make fun of and mock everybody in our league.

[Jason Moore]

It was a great show, and that's.

[Andy Holloway]

How we got our podcasting chops.

[Mike Wright]

What's the name of the Soundboard app?

[Andy Holloway]

It is called Soundboard.

[Mike Wright]

There you go. Well, we used to use a sound byte.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there's a sound byte.

[Mike Wright]

We've used quite a few in our time.

[Andy Holloway]

The least expensive, fun one to use would be like, Soundboard on your OS devices.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. And as far as recording software, Audacity's free, right? Audacity is free. You can check that one out. We use logic, but they all do the same things nowadays. It's whatever you're comfortable using. And Audacity at the price point of free, may be what you are most comfortable using.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, Brooks had the audacity to put in that question despite the fact that it was unreadable. Can you believe that?

[Jason Moore]

Four point ppr? What a buffoon. We love you, Brooks.

[Andy Holloway]

I got rid of the extra wording in there. Oh, is it readable now? I think so.

[Jason Moore]

Let's go back.

[Andy Holloway]

I really hope it's not Justin in Paradise. Consensus rankings hide bold opinions that have a higher risk, but also a higher reward as they are averaged.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Could it be better to follow one of your individual rankings instead? Yeah, follow my rank and then ask whose rankings would be best.

[Mike Wright]

You should use my rankings, I guess.

[Andy Holloway]

Use whoever's what. Whoever was more accurate on the season according to the Fantasy Pros Expert rankings. On the season.

[Jason Moore]

Whoever that was historically, like, over the last few years.

[Andy Holloway]

No, just last year. Just last year.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Why you got to be a butt snack?

[Jason Moore]

You. Here's. Here's whose rankings. You should actually go with your own. This is. This is why I think consensus is actually the best to go with is we do have kind of differing opinions on certain guys, but it actually makes for really good rankings to use where you are using your own. Not just our numbers, because we lay.

[Andy Holloway]

It out, we're just different cannonballs. You fire the cannon.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. We tear base things out in the ultimate draft kit. We have write ups on every player, videos on everybody. So you can get the info, but at the end of the day, you're the one that is making the call. And you can make calls better than we can.

[Andy Holloway]

We're just different grades of gasoline. You drive the car, right?

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. How many more are you guys?

[Andy Holloway]

Also, I'm premium honest.

[Jason Moore]

Well, my car.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, my car. It specifically says do not use premium.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I'm serious.

[Jason Moore]

So what kind of car you want to drive?

[Mike Wright]

What I was going to say is back many, many moons ago when I didn't make my own full rankings and I had the people who I trusted, I would go through their list, I would make my own tiers and I would completely eliminate guys just say, I'm not drafting this player. So Jason is right, dude, we've laid the foundation for you. Get in there and do. You gotta move.

[Andy Holloway]

Do the dirty work.

[Mike Wright]

Well, it's not the dirty work.

[Jason Moore]

It's the fun work.

[Andy Holloway]

Do the clean work.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's just, he's doing feng shui, arranging things in the room. It's all there, though. The couch is there.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what this show's all about.

[Jason Moore]

The chair.

[Andy Holloway]

I know we don't muse on that enough, but we made this show so that we could be, you know, the other three guys at the table with you sharing our opinions.

[Jason Moore]

We're the equipment manager, you're the ball player. You know, we're just going to give you the ball.

[Mike Wright]

Just get out there and knock it out of the park.

[Jason Moore]

All right, that is it for today's.

[Andy Holloway]

Episode of the show. We've got early sleepers, breakouts, bust and value shows coming up very soon. Check out draft.comballers for some best ball action.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

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