Fantasy Football 2018 - Rookie Steals + Big Questions

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary

Episode: Fantasy Football 2018 - Rookie Steals + Big Questions
Release Date: May 8, 2018
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
Podcast: Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast

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Introduction and Overview

The episode kicks off with light-hearted banter among the hosts, discussing recent social events and personal anecdotes. They establish the main topics for the episode: identifying rookie steals for the upcoming fantasy football season and addressing significant free agency moves, particularly the signing of C.J. Anderson by the Carolina Panthers.

Rookie Steals Discussion

Timestamp: 05:15 - 12:00

The hosts delve into favorite rookies who are not typically drafted in the first round, emphasizing the importance of finding value in later picks for dynasty leagues.

• Jason Moore highlights Dante Pettis of the San Francisco 49ers as an underrated wide receiver. He notes, “[Pettis] has a path to opportunity” (06:21) and believes he’s poised to make significant contributions, especially in leagues that reward special teams performance.

• Mike Wright introduces Calum Baloch, a running back from Arizona State, praising his speed and potential as an every-down back in Miami’s offense. He remarks, “He’s built to be a potential every down runner” (09:03).

• Andy Holloway selects Daeshun Hamilton of the Denver Broncos, commending his route-running skills and pro-ready technique. He mentions, “He’s an excellent wide receiver already” (10:04), positioning Hamilton as a strategic stash for future seasons.

Free Agency News

Timestamp: 14:11 - 18:01

The signing of C.J. Anderson by the Carolina Panthers is a significant focus. The hosts discuss the implications for Christian McCaffrey and the Panthers' running back roster.

• Mike Wright states, “C.J. Anderson is going to get around 175 carries” (15:30), predicting a substantial role that complements McCaffrey’s workload.

• Jason Moore concurs, mentioning, “Christian McCaffrey is going to have to carry the ball more” (16:33), and appreciates the landing spot for both players, which he believes will keep McCaffrey healthy and productive.

Listener Q&A

Timestamp: 23:09 - 52:20

The hosts address questions from listeners, covering a range of topics from player evaluations to draft strategies.

• Julio Jones Outlook (26:48 - 28:44):

  • Jason Moore affirms Jones as a top-tier receiver with over 150 targets, stating, “I expect that he's got a solid, really solid three years” (27:07).
  • Mike Wright agrees, noting Jones as a "bounce back candidate" after a less productive season.
  • Andy Holloway emphasizes Jones’s sustainability, comparing him to past elite receivers and maintaining his high draft value.

• Draft Strategies (41:54 - 42:38):

  • Andy Holloway advises against overvaluing youth in dynasty drafts, recommending focusing on veterans who offer immediate value. He suggests, “Look for the value in veterans who are just dropping to the middle rounds” (42:03).
  • Mike Wright and Jason Moore support this approach, highlighting the benefits of winning now while building for the future.

• Dealing with Trade Remorse (23:09 - 25:49):

  • Mike Wright and Jason Moore discuss strategies for overcoming regret after unfavorable trades, emphasizing the importance of rationalizing decisions and focusing on future opportunities. Andy Holloway shares a personal anecdote about a past trade gone wrong, highlighting the emotional challenges involved.

• Player Comparisons and Evaluations:

  • Dalvin Cook vs. Joe Mixon (39:23 - 40:25):

    • Jason Moore prefers Cook for his consistent performance and offensive scheme, declaring, “Dalvin Cook is, you know, he was on pace to have an unbelievable year” (39:50).
    • Andy Holloway agrees, noting Cook’s impressive training camp performance and potential under a healthy offensive line.

  • David Johnson's Draft Position (32:18 - 35:46):

    • Andy Holloway caps his valuation of Johnson at the 103rd draft spot, placing him behind stars like Le'Veon Bell and Todd Gurley (32:41).
    • Mike Wright aligns with this view, suggesting Johnson sits ahead of Zeke Elliott but acknowledges differing opinions on his value.

Key Takeaways and Conclusions

• Rookie Selections: Targeting undervalued rookies like Dante Pettis, Calum Baloch, and Daeshun Hamilton can provide significant advantages in dynasty leagues, offering future upside and filling essential roles without high draft capital costs.

• Free Agency Moves: The Carolina Panthers' acquisition of C.J. Anderson is seen as a strategic move that benefits both Anderson and Christian McCaffrey, enhancing the Panthers' running game and providing depth for fantasy managers.

• Draft Strategies: Emphasizing veteran value over youth helps maintain competitive balance and ensures immediate performance, which is crucial for both dynasty and redraft leagues.

• Player Evaluations: Consistent performance and offensive schemes heavily influence player rankings and draft positions. Players like Julio Jones and Dalvin Cook remain highly valued due to their proven track records and projected roles within their teams.

• Handling Trade Decisions: Emotional intelligence and rational analysis are essential in managing trade decisions and overcoming remorse. Focusing on long-term strategies and remaining adaptable can mitigate the negative impact of unfavorable trades.

Notable Quotes

• Jason Moore on Julio Jones: “I expect that he's got a solid, really solid three years” (27:07).
• Andy Holloway on Veteran Value: “Look for the value in veterans who are just dropping to the middle rounds” (42:03).
• Mike Wright on Calum Baloch: “He’s built to be a potential every down runner” (09:03).

Final Thoughts

The Fantasy Footballers provide insightful analysis and strategic advice for both rookie drafts and managing existing rosters. By focusing on undervalued players and making informed free agency moves, fantasy managers can enhance their teams' performance and competitiveness for the upcoming season.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

All right, all right, all right.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Foreign to the fantasy Footballers podcast, coming to you from Draft.com Studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

Mike Wright. Mike Wright. Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, oh, great.

[Andy Holloway]

Friend of the show. Matty Mac.

[Mike Wright]

Matty Mac is, as his friends call him, Maddie Mac.

[Andy Holloway]

The attack.

[Mike Wright]

If you haven't heard that, it's because you're not as close to friends as we are.

[Andy Holloway]

And what's crazy about that is that was actually just a phone conversation I had with him.

[Jason Moore]

Just always sounds so good.

[Mike Wright]

It's weird that he puts the music in the background of his phone calls.

[Jason Moore]

Just plays behind him wherever he goes. If you've ever been in a restaurant.

[Mike Wright]

With him, I have a cup of tea right now. Welcome in.

[Jason Moore]

We're back.

[Mike Wright]

It's Tuesday, May 8th. Annie, Mike and Jason, the fantasy footballers.

[Andy Holloway]

You sounded a little disparaging to the 8th of May on that intro.

[Mike Wright]

I did, yeah. No, it's a great day.

[Andy Holloway]

It's May 8th.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And we're here.

[Mike Wright]

Did you guys have a good weekend?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah, had a great weekend. Had a party to celebrate my birth in which Mike wore a sweater.

[Mike Wright]

No, it's a romper.

[Jason Moore]

It's a romper, bro. Yeah, well, no, it was a romper made out of sweater material.

[Andy Holloway]

Sweatshirt.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, sweatshirt. Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

It was a little warm.

[Jason Moore]

Little warm.

[Mike Wright]

That's why you had the chest open.

[Andy Holloway]

Actually is 100% why I had the chest open. If you want to know what we're talking about.

[Mike Wright]

Instagram.com I wanted that picture posted with absolutely no context.

[Andy Holloway]

And it was. People had no idea what was going on.

[Mike Wright]

Jason's wife put the party together. And did a decade party. So you had to dress as a cup. You and your spouse had to come dressed as a couple from a certain decade, which I believe everybody came post. Post 1960s.

[Jason Moore]

Except you.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, except for me and my wife, who were 1840s.

[Jason Moore]

Sounds appropriate. That was actually to celebrate his.

[Mike Wright]

Which 1842, the year they invented briefs and Werther's Originals.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

But it makes the picture all the better because I look like I'm from the River Runs through it or something. And Mike's wearing a romper. And Jason looks like exactly how, when, how old he was when I met him, which was in the 90s wearing his basketball shorts or his, I guess they were long jean shorts and your basketball shoes.

[Jason Moore]

90S Jordans.

[Mike Wright]

Brooks was there, too. And Brooks is a perfect combination of like John Lennon, Elton John and obviously Paul Giamatti.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, of course.

[Mike Wright]

But 1970s Paul Giamatti in this case. All right, we have a great show for you today. We got a great quick question talking about some rookie steals, some rookies we like outside the top 12 in terms of dynasty rookie drafts. We're going to answer a ton of questions from the foot clan, get into some news, including a big signing. C.J. anderson signed today. We'll tell you who he signed with in just a minute.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, there's some good news and some bad news on the free agency front.

[Mike Wright]

But we'll get to that. That's fair. Some good, some bad. That's pretty much how I define this show. Some good, some bad. All right, quick question of the day, by the way. You can find us on twitter@the ffballers. The website's the fantasy footballers.com and we are, what, like less than a month away from the udk?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, we are.

[Mike Wright]

And the rookie rankings already up there. So if you've pre ordered the ultimate draft kit @ultimate draft kit.com you and Matthew McConaughey can hang out, check out the rookie rankings and then get the whole kit.

[Andy Holloway]

No guarantee that Matthew's there.

[Mike Wright]

No guarantee. But he may be. You never know. And you get access to a bunch of cool stuff. All right, favorite rookie. That isn't a first round adp. And by adp, we're talking average draft position. So.

[Jason Moore]

And by first round, we're speaking exclusively of rookie drafts.

[Mike Wright]

We're talking about the top. So what, who's your favorite NFL rookie for fantasy? And I'm going to, I'm going to condition this on value in a redraft league. Somebody that could have value this year.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, that changes my Answer completely.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my answer still holds up.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Well, I mean, the whole point of asking whether they're a steal. Okay, I'll let you answer either way. That's fine. Either way. But not the first 12 off the board is what we're saying. The first 12 rookies would go in that room.

[Andy Holloway]

I give you answers.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. All the top running backs and the tip top of the wide receivers are gone.

[Mike Wright]

And there's some, there's some players that kind of jump out at you. Then you know, Anthony Miller, Chicago wide receiver. He's not going in that first round. A lot of people like him.

[Jason Moore]

Here's a guy.

[Mike Wright]

I've got a left field guy, but go ahead, Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you do. Which I disagree with wholeheartedly, but that's fine.

[Mike Wright]

That makes me feel good about my pick, so thank you.

[Jason Moore]

The guy that I think is probably one of the most underrated guys right now is Dante Pettis. Dante Pettis is. He didn't get a lot of press before the draft, so people weren't talking.

[Mike Wright]

Who's Dante? Who's Dante Pettis, Jason, maybe tell the people who he is.

[Jason Moore]

The wide receiver now playing for the San Francisco 49ers. The San Francisco 49ers traded up in the draft to go get him in the second round. This is high draft capital and this is a team that needed a wide receiver. People expected them to be in the market for Allen Robinson and all, you know, Sammy Watkins. San Francisco needed one because Pierre Garcon is older and Marquise Goodwin was a nice villain, but he's a field stretcher. He's not a. He's not, you know, 100 plus target type of receiver. So they trade up to get Dante Pettis, who was a very good producer in college. Great production. Some, some people out there really respected draft community. Guys like Matt Waldman had him as their number one wide receiver on the board, like out of all of them. And here he goes right now. He's the 11th wide receiver being taken in fantasy drafts, despite the fact that the NFL thought he was the fourth best receiver to take. He's got path to path opportunity, up.

[Mike Wright]

And coming quarterback, up and coming team with a good head coach.

[Andy Holloway]

I love that.

[Mike Wright]

There's all the reasons for that to be a. And if you an actually good thing. You said out loud, Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, I finally did it. And if you are in a league that rewards special teams, he will almost definitely be utilized in that way as well.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, my left field pick. I thought about going to Heem Heinz in Indianapolis, which I would Enjoy very.

[Jason Moore]

Much because he's been a good one.

[Mike Wright]

He's very much in the, in the running for me. Marlon Mack, I was bringing this up earlier on the way to lunch. Marlon Mack was 3.8 a carry last year and that was with four runs of 20 plus or six runs of 20 plus yards. If he doesn't burst the big play, he's not doing it between the tackles down to down. And not that I think the tiny Naheem Hines can do it, but. But I think there's opportunity for him. There is a Tariq Cohen type guy, but now that's cheating because I got two answers. The one I'm going to bring up is Calum Baloch, Arizona State running back, drafted by Miami, fourth round, third fastest combine time, very fast, broken NCAA record, eight touchdowns in one game. Never had a. So when you talk about producing collegiate running backs, he would have massive games and then he would be unproductive. He's a very big guy, tall, very fast, runs upright, which is not necessarily conducive to, you know, breaking through tackles and things like that.

[Jason Moore]

And straight runs. Straight.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

He still had a really good three cone. If you look at his three cone numbers, he's 69th percentile.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. It's bizarre when you watch him on.

[Mike Wright]

Film, then that's kind of. I'm getting to my point here, which is that I think there's opportunity in Miami for somebody to break out and I think the body, literal body of Calum Balaj, I think we're going to see it in the NFL more than we saw it in college. I think he was built to play in the NFL. I think he's built to be a potential every down runner. So when you talk about a second, third round steal, he's at the back of the second round in dynasty rookie drafts, which by the way, he's going ahead of Nahim Hines, which surprised me. But I think Kaylin Blodge is a potential redraft sleeper.

[Andy Holloway]

So my, my guy who.

[Jason Moore]

Because I thought this was the question.

[Andy Holloway]

Which is who's your favorite rookie that isn't in the first round? And I went with the Daeshun Hamilton because.

[Mike Wright]

Who's Daeshun Hamilton, Mike?

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you for asking, Andy. I appreciate it. He was drafted by the Denver Broncos and you're getting him in rookie draft.

[Mike Wright]

Does he play, Mike?

[Andy Holloway]

Wide receiver.

[Mike Wright]

All right, I'm helping.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm getting there.

[Mike Wright]

I'm help. Well, you got to start it.

[Andy Holloway]

You got to let me spin the yarn. You got to let me tell my tale of Daeshun Hamilton in rookie drafts you're going to you should be able to get him in the third round maybe even later. I've seen him in some fourth rounds out of Penn State. Matt Harmon, best friend of the show Reception Perception talked about Daeshun Hamilton as one of the most pro ready wide receivers because his route running is his technician level is already pro ready. Now he slipped a little bit in the draft. His production profile is not very large but from college. But his the quarterback play little sketchy up there. So for where he went to this team of the Denver Broncos, he will be in play next year. This is not an immediate thing. This is fill up your stable let him gain value. And I'm just very, very interested in players like this like Hamilton and Chris Godwin last year who are great wide receivers but you're going to be able to get a good value on them because you have to wait. This is your you're planting the apple seed. You're not going to get any fruit this season or it's very unlikely. But it is very likely that the Broncos move on from either Demarys Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders or both.

[Mike Wright]

You just hope that the seed doesn't grow up into like Cody Latimer or something. Sure, that's the hope.

[Andy Holloway]

But the reason why I like Hamilton is because this isn't, this isn't equanimous Saint Brown. It's not a freak athlete who is just getting drafted because of that. He's getting, he is an excellent wide receiver already. Let him work in the pros and build in it like Antonio Brown style. So I think Hamilton is a great stash later on in your rookie season.

[Jason Moore]

You heard it here. Hamilton, the next Antonio Brown.

[Mike Wright]

Quote me all right, there's no, there's.

[Andy Holloway]

No lose in this foot clan.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Funny story. My it's a regular sight.

[Jason Moore]

It's not little. It's just a regular.

[Mike Wright]

Right. Right.

[Andy Holloway]

My son saw the photo of us letting the people know that there's a left Bell jersey. Hey dad, can I have that? No.

[Jason Moore]

If you could beat me in a race, why not?

[Andy Holloway]

And it turned into a very, very long discussion of how he cannot just he's not Eligible to win this signed Le'Veon Bell jersey.

[Mike Wright]

Interesting, interesting. He's got some.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, he loves Lev.

[Mike Wright]

Some fandom.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he plays Madden a lot.

[Mike Wright]

Ah, like mobile or on the. On the.

[Andy Holloway]

No, on the Xbox. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

All right, all right. From time to time we like to read a little review from the listeners. We always appreciate you going to Apple podcasts or wherever you're listening and supporting the show. So we're going to do that right now and only the way that Jason can.

[Jason Moore]

Reviewasaurus Rex. This one comes in from K Pop, Cape Kono. Get a better username. Cape Kono.

[Andy Holloway]

Capocono.

[Jason Moore]

Capocono. That's better. Good job Capocono.

[Mike Wright]

I like how Micah's like, no, it's obviously Cape Kono.

[Jason Moore]

Alright, it says 55. 55 stars. If I could. Great mix of comedy, dad jokes and valuable insights. It's May and I'm an active listener weekly. Five stars. Next question.

[Mike Wright]

Oh well, thank you Capeacano. Capeacano. We appreciate your reviews and yeah, it's nice to hear that people enjoy the show during this time of year where maybe you've never listened to a fantasy football podcast before in the off season. Maybe you don't know what the value is. We try to keep you entertained, we try to keep you ready for the season. And with that comes this very big time news that just broke.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league.

[Mike Wright]

All right, the Carolina Panthers have made a splash, gentlemen. They've signed one of the last remaining what we deemed valuable free agents. C.J. anderson is now a Carolina Panther one year contract and he's going to walk right into a role that suits him well. Jonathan Stewart is gone. I believe they are missing 202 carries from last year. And so in the meantime we've sat there and we've said, well, Cameron Artis Payne is the only guy left there to kind of step into that role. Christian McCaffrey is going to have to carry the ball more and instead CJ Anderson lands in Carolina. And again I like Carolina this year. And this is coming from a guy who doesn't like C.J. anderson, but I like C.J. anderson for this. This is the role for C.J. anderson. Don't make him a three down guy. Give him 175 carries. That's what he's going to get. That's where I think he'll be.175 carries. He'll probably score six or more times and I think it's very interesting. The question I have for you guys is what happens to Christian McCaffrey and how you had looked at him and did you ever really expect McCaffrey to. I mean, he's not going to carry the rock 250.

[Andy Holloway]

No, it's not going to be 250, but just a shade under 200. I thought was in the realm of possibilities for Christian McCaffrey if Cameron artist Payne was the only grinder thumper on the roster. But C.J. anderson is a very good running back. We do differ on our opinion of Anderson, but we don't differ on thinking that this landing spot is actually okay. It's not. Indianapolis Colts good. Where he would walk in as the clear star, as the clear guy. I actually. I think he is the clear guy. I think he will be. He'll have the most carries on this team and I would actually slot him in for more than 175.

[Jason Moore]

I would.

[Andy Holloway]

Jonathan Stewart was at 198 and 15 games last year. I think he'll come very close. He'll give a little.

[Jason Moore]

Little smooch. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I actually have them at identical carry counts. C.J. anderson and Christian McCaffrey.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm real.

[Mike Wright]

I'm both at 175.

[Andy Holloway]

I think it'll be. I think it'll be much heavier in Anderson's direction.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you've got a new offensive coordinator. That's one thing we've got to keep in mind.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he's not really new.

[Jason Moore]

Sure. He's not new in the sense 500 years old. He's been around the block in North Turner, but we can't just look at how they called the offense last year and think, okay, he's coming in as the Jonathan Stewart replacement. The carry counts will be the same. North Turner historically has had a predominant back. And if I had the Backfield with Christian McCaffrey and C.J. anderson, two players that I legitimately think are both good, I would give the lead to Christian McCaffrey. So I do think this is a good landing spot for just about everyone involved. I think it'll keep Christian McCaffrey healthy. I don't. I never expected CMC to be up, you know, near those total touches, around 300. And, you know, there's definitely worse spots that CJ Anderson could have gone as a dynasty owner. I'm happy with this.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. Matt Ryan, five year extension, 100 million guaranteed. Did we mention that on the show already?

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know, but it's worth mentioning.

[Mike Wright]

We mentioned that you can make $100 million and still not be able to throw the ball in the red zone. I think that's what we mentioned. That's a good deal. Maybe it was on the foot cast. Jason Whitten is officially retired from the NFL.

[Andy Holloway]

Goodbye. He's a goat.

[Mike Wright]

That's all you got?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, Jason Whitten is. Whoa.

[Mike Wright]

Bigger news.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

This is much more important.

[Andy Holloway]

That's why I was done.

[Mike Wright]

Jason, I don't know if you know this.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not all laughs and giggles on the fantasy football.

[Jason Moore]

No. Sometimes, sometimes things get serious.

[Mike Wright]

Kobe Fleener has. He's been released by the Saints.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason, he said fleen ya later.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that was a match.

[Mike Wright]

Now I can't remember.

[Jason Moore]

That was like a match, you know, really good. You got a match made in heaven. This was like a match made on Tinder. This was not. This did not work out. This was poor. But on the bright side, Ben Watson, huh? Anybody out there want to get in on some good. I love me some Ben Watson.

[Mike Wright]

Same age as Norv Turner, actually. You know, it's funny is I remember when Kobe came to the Saints. I've never reflected on this, so I didn't know what I was gonna find. And I was joking that he's. Here's his reception counts in Indianapolis. 52, 51, 54. Do you know what he had his first year on the saints?

[Jason Moore]

Probably about 50, 50. There you go, 50.

[Mike Wright]

And then last year that slipped down to 22 receptions and you know, a beautiful 22 they were, but they just decided to move on. Kobe Fleener can't be your sleeper now, Jay, until he's picked up by someone else.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, Kobe. Kobe is. He's dead to me. Kobe is gone.

[Andy Holloway]

What if he ends up in Seattle?

[Jason Moore]

We'll talk about it.

[Andy Holloway]

We'll figure it out.

[Jason Moore]

No Kobe.

[Mike Wright]

I bet about 50 receptions.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Kobe Fleener is not, not long for the NFL and I, you know, I don't even know that he'll sign anywhere, but if he does, he's not going to be fantasy relevant.

[Mike Wright]

Marcus Wheaton, one year contract with the Eagles. Elijah Penny, who is the Cardinals backup running back. He's going to transition to fullback and tight end. The Cardinals invested a fourth round pick on Chase Edmonds, who's very good and almost invested a third round pick on him.

[Andy Holloway]

This is just, this is official. We had alluded to this on the last show, but Chase Edmonds is the backup. He is the handcuff for David Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

Elijah Penny is brothers of correct.

[Andy Holloway]

Rashad.

[Mike Wright]

Rashad Penny.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Fun facts.

[Jason Moore]

Rashad is a lot better.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, sorry.

[Jason Moore]

But I'm not, I'm not putting down Elijah I'm lifting up. Rashad.

[Andy Holloway]

Elijah Penny made it finally. He finally made it to the news section. And Jason has to besmirching undrafted, besmirching.

[Jason Moore]

Him by saying, hey, your brother is really good at football.

[Mike Wright]

Tbd.

[Jason Moore]

Bet you wish you were him.

[Mike Wright]

Tbd good at college football. There you go.

[Jason Moore]

That's true. There you go.

[Mike Wright]

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[Mike Wright]

There you go. You got the whole word berry spelled out.

[Andy Holloway]

I wasn't sure if you were going to stick the landing or not.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's.

[Andy Holloway]

You look a little moist over there.

[Mike Wright]

So Many questions for the offseason, for the off season. Let's. Let's answer them.

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, it's all right. Visit our website, the fancy footballers.com to submit your question to the show. Or you can dial Our voicemail hotline, 302464, TFFB. Oh, so easy. Oh, so easy. Unless you mess up your voicemail and then you have to do it again.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that's embarrassing.

[Mike Wright]

And we hear both. We hear both of them.

[Jason Moore]

We do.

[Mike Wright]

We hear the oh, crap. And then hang up.

[Jason Moore]

I'll call right back.

[Mike Wright]

I'll call right back. But if you do leave a voicemail, try to keep them brief and to the point so we can answer them and get more questions in on the show. And so let's listen to a voicemail. Hey, ballers. I was just calling with a question about how to deal with traders remorse. You guys talk about liking a lot of activities in your league, so I was just wondering how you handle losing a trade if you trade all the time and then how you get over that for next year or even in the same season making another trade. Definitely dealt with that in the past. Just wondering if you guys have any tips. Thanks. Bye.

[Jason Moore]

Talking about the tilt. He's talking about the, oh, shoot, I made a mistake and now you overcorrect, which is to say you make another mistake. Right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. He's talking about me last off season when I really wanted to get Lashawn McCoy's handcuff, who, as we all know, is Jonathan Williams. Am I right? So I trade Kenyon Drake a two for Jay Williams and a three, and then Jonathan Williams was cut about a week later.

[Mike Wright]

How'd that. So that didn't work out well considering.

[Andy Holloway]

That I moved back from the second to the third and I don't have Kenyon Drake on my team. It didn't go very well.

[Jason Moore]

Not work out that well in the.

[Mike Wright]

Long run, just like the rest of us, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

So how do you deal with it when you. When you do those things?

[Mike Wright]

That trade right there is hard to rationalize because rationalization is the key to all of this. You need to find some small sliver, some silver lining. Some. It worked out better for my team because of X. Now that one, there's no. Who'd you draft in the third round, Mike? Oh, I hope it was a superstar.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, this year I got. I think I used that pick on Daeshun Hamilton.

[Mike Wright]

You gotta go butterfly effect with that. Like, boy, if I had never lost. Traded Kenyan Drake in my shoe for. I never Would have had Tayshawn Hamilton.

[Jason Moore]

You have to be like an NBA three point shooter who has a bad day, who's not hitting shots, and you just keep cranking them up. You want a lot of transactions in your league. Just.

[Mike Wright]

You got to keep.

[Jason Moore]

Forget about it. It's. It's. It's the. I threw an interception. So what? It doesn't help me to think about it and just move on.

[Mike Wright]

What is that the. Do your best. Forget the rest.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, is that some Tony Horton.

[Mike Wright]

Tony Horton in there?

[Andy Holloway]

Whoa.

[Mike Wright]

He's very motivational.

[Andy Holloway]

I love Tony. But Jason is right that you're not going to win every single trade. Also, it's just not going to happen.

[Jason Moore]

Listen to me. Because I loved Kenyon Drake and I called you a fool when that trade happened.

[Mike Wright]

Wait, that's the lesson.

[Jason Moore]

That's the real lesson.

[Mike Wright]

Listen to me. Kobe Fleener.

[Jason Moore]

All right, all right. Bad timing.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's jump into a question off of Twitter from Dan Jensen, whose name sounds a lot like Dan Jansen. Mike, you remember Jan Jansen.

[Andy Holloway]

I do not.

[Mike Wright]

Dan Jansen, famous American speed skater. Wait, I call him. I call Jason Dan Jansen at the trainer every week because we do these.

[Jason Moore]

You got bands around your. Yeah, you supposed to do like speed skating.

[Mike Wright]

Supposed to do these speed skating moves and you don't remember Dan?

[Jason Moore]

Nobody remembers Dan Jansen.

[Mike Wright]

You know, all my Dan Jansen truthers come to Twitter.

[Andy Holloway]

How many speed speed skaters do you know besides Apollo Ono?

[Mike Wright]

Dan Jansen. Okay, that's very famous. Brooks, can I get a.

[Jason Moore]

What? What? No, he's not getting a Jansen.

[Mike Wright]

Google it, you bunch of.

[Jason Moore]

I googled it when I saw him. I went. Why do you know this?

[Mike Wright]

Well, Dan Jensen has a question.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

What do you think is Julio Jones Fantasy Football Outlook 2018 and beyond in Dynasty? Where are you buying, selling? What price are you buying or what would you want in return for him?

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, are you buying or selling? What is happening?

[Jason Moore]

I guess he's wanting a lay of the land, you know, what's the temperature check on him both in 2018 and in Dynasty.

[Mike Wright]

Especially interested in what you'd get back for him as a Julio owner myself, is what he says.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. As far as redraft 2018 outlook, I'm still very much on Julio Jones. I finished statting him out today looking they don't have the best strength of schedule coming up against the pass. You know, projection wise, in 2018, he usually loses about two targets a game when they play a top 15 defense. But I still have him over 150 targets this year, even with Calvin Ridley there. So you're talking about an absolute top end stud. He's 29 years old, already turned 29. So he's going to be 29 this season while he's, while he's playing. And I expect that he's got a solid, really solid three years.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, the reason that you asked this question and have a twinge of sadness in your question is because he didn't score a lot. That's it. That's the only reason you can be disappointed. 16.4 per catch, 88 receptions, 1444 yards receiving.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, 1400 yards.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I'm saying. So I have them in the same boat. I've got him in that 85 for 1400. I think he'll bring those touchdown totals up. We had one of our writers, our editor.

[Andy Holloway]

I was going to bring it up. Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

He went through and looked at every single red zone target for Julio Jones this past year. A lot of this falls on the shoulders of Matt Ryan and a lot of it seemed to fall in the bad luck category this year. When you have as many red zone targets as he has, you don't normally end up with three touchdowns. I've got him down for six this year and I don't think that that's going crazy.

[Jason Moore]

That's exactly what I have him down there are.

[Mike Wright]

So that's a bounce back candidate.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Despite the fact he had 14.

[Andy Holloway]

There are so few elite wide receiver ones in the NFL these days, and I'm with Jason, that I think Julio Jones can easily sustain that level of play for at least three years. So he's still in my. If you're just talking like a dynasty startup, I would still take him in that mid to late first round.

[Jason Moore]

The only other problem I will point out with Julio before we move on is you said the only thing you could criticize him on Andy was essentially his, you know, his touchdowns. He had a lack of touchdowns, but he also.

[Mike Wright]

Career issue.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, career wise I would agree with you. But this last year he definitely had a ton of production come in two or three games that really elevated his season total and. But on a week to week basis he did let you down more often than Julio of old. But I expect bounce back this year.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's jump into another voicemail question.

[Jason Moore]

Hey guys, it's not. This is Ken from Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania. Just got a question for you guys. Why does Brooks always cover his face in photos? Just curious. Happen to see it on your Instagram and never could understand why.

[Mike Wright]

I honestly don't have any idea.

[Andy Holloway]

Brooks, Brooks. You cover your face in photos.

[Mike Wright]

I have no idea what he's talking about.

[Jason Moore]

No, I've never seen.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm looking at Brooks right now, full face.

[Mike Wright]

As am I. Brooks, your whole face is there.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a good looking face.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I don't know. I'll have to go check the tape on this. This is one of those things you just don't really remember.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, br. He's kind. I mean, I will admit he's a bit of a mysterious guy, but that's what.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

When you're in the limelight. When you're in a. I mean, he's in a major Showtime production right now, billions. And when you're in the limelight, it's, you know, what do you expect? He's also starring with the Rock on Jungle Cruise, a Disney movie coming out soon.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, congrats on that.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, you got that?

[Jason Moore]

You booked it?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah. Congratulations. And so you don't always want to be recognized because of autograph requests and things like that. Aaron in Connecticut, how do you guys come up with your league schedule? Like who plays who each week? And is there anyone in particular you look forward to playing each year? We can definitely tell you how we do it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you should answer this one, Andy. In our league of record, you have been the commission. I will just interject and say that the team that I look forward to playing the most every year is Andy Holloway. Because we've been in the same division. We're big proponents of divisions for this exact reason. You get rivalries, just like in the NFL. You've got the team that you play more often and you've got your arch nemesis, if you will, and that would be you.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And what we do is we formulate our schedule by. We have three divisions and we want to make sure we playing our division mates twice and then a random allotment of the other players.

[Jason Moore]

12 teams.

[Mike Wright]

12 teams. The way I accomplish that is actually if you go to schedules.footballguys.com they have had for a long, long time a really, really nice schedule maker. So if you need to input your own schedule or make something customized, you can make it so that each team plays three, you know, certain teams a certain amount of times. That's what I utilize every year to build it out for our custom league. Because I want to play. We start the year, division mates, middle of the year. We play everybody into the year. Division mates, we've always loved It.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yep.

[Mike Wright]

All right. This one off of Instagram from rypat7301. Where is the highest you would consider drafting David Johnson and how does the Josh Rosen selection affect his stock?

[Andy Holloway]

The highest I would spend a draft pick on David Johnson would be the 103. That's the absolute highest. I'm not saying I will for sure not, but Le'Veon Bell and Todd Gurley are still in front of David Johnson. If you want to make the argument that he is locked and loaded, the third guy on that list, that's an argument that I'll engage in.

[Mike Wright]

That's the one that I currently would make. I have him ahead of his Z. I've done stats on both those teams and I do have them ahead of Zeke.

[Jason Moore]

I would say the highest I would consider it would be the two spot Lev Bell is locked in as the one. But I would at least consider it to. But I probably wouldn't draft him until 4. I think I would take Zeke even ahead of him as far as Josh Rosen. I think it affects him positively in Dynasty in longer term outlooks and you know, I guess it's a positive because who thinks Sam Bradford is going to play 16 games?

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

So it helps a little. But in redraft for the most part it didn't change anything. Ranking.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Javin Davis on Instagram says where's the best place to find leagues with other listeners?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, foot clanleagues.com Absolutely. That's the easiest question we have ever had to answer.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we, we have a community of listeners that jointhefoot.com and if you join that community you get access to a ton of things including an extra episode. And one of those is access to FootClanLeagues.com where you can make online leagues, local leagues, people connecting over there all the time. Because if you don't have good league mates, no, your league is no fun. It doesn't matter if you dominate and eventually if you are dominating a bunch of people that don't pay attention, that wears off. In 10 to 12 years you can.

[Jason Moore]

Find, you can find other people. Let's say you're in a good league and you lost somebody and you need to find an extra player and it's a local league, you can go on there and find your local area and be like hey, I need one more and you could, you might just make a new best friend.

[Andy Holloway]

You never know.

[Mike Wright]

Or meet your significant other.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you can meet me.

[Andy Holloway]

It's happening all the time.

[Jason Moore]

I'm still waiting for The First Foot Clan marriage. And we will go to that.

[Mike Wright]

Do we need to start a ballers dating thing?

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you. Instagram question from Warren Ayers. How underrated is Duke Johnson? It's his final year on his rookie contract and he capitalized the word final, so I know it's legit final year of his rookie contract and I don't think Chubb is a real threat to steal any passing work. So do you agree with the inference here that Duke Johnson is underrated?

[Jason Moore]

Yes and no. I mean, I think he will be underrated because he's going to pretty much go undrafted and he will do more than.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Mike Wright]

No way.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Sixth, seventh round.

[Jason Moore]

Six, seventh round.

[Andy Holloway]

I was going to go seven, eight area.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Jason Moore]

If he goes in the sixth round, seven, eight area, then he's not underrated.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think he'll go where he should. You're talking the fewest amount of targets he's ever had is 74. Went 74, 74, 93. He has a role in fantasy football. His ceiling is.

[Jason Moore]

They call it the Jarvis Landry role.

[Andy Holloway]

Jarvis Landry?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

They call it the theoretic role.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Jarvis Landry is. He's going to eat into some of Duke Johnson's workload. So that's what I was going to say is his ceiling is capped right now. Epr, he's.

[Jason Moore]

He's perfectly fine right now, it appears. And in at least this is standard, which obviously he'd be lower. He's going around the 12th round. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Standard. I have. I have little to no interest in Duke Johnson, but half and full PPR yet. Pick him up.

[Mike Wright]

All right, Instagram question from Braun Inslee. Do you guys ever get irrational gut feelings that end up messing up how you draft? For instance, I'll often not draft a guy just because I have some weird feeling in my gut he will get hurt or something or is due for a random bad season. What do you think about the irrational gut feelings that can disrupt a draft?

[Jason Moore]

My irrational gut feelings are positive, not negative. I don't ever miss out on a player, which I think is like the better way to strike out because you're going to strike out on guys, you're going to get a guy and he's not going to be good. No matter whether it was gut feeling or just consensus ranking. Either way, we, you know, nobody's going to get this thing perfect. So, like for instance, based on my film study and what I like and what draft capital, I really. We've talked about this. I like Kerryon Johnson. I've got a gut feeling that he's going to be a good NFL player. So I might take him around higher and that might backfire on me because he ends up sucking and he's terrible, but I can deal with that a lot easier.

[Mike Wright]

Well, that's not really an irrational gut feeling though, because that's a rational mind choice. I mean, you literally said based on all of these evidences, I like him. You didn't have an irrational feeling about him.

[Jason Moore]

Guess I'm just trying to make this listener feel better.

[Mike Wright]

Well, yeah, it's harder for us to say that because we're always, we're knee deep in it at all times. So our gut feelings are coming out of things like that. But we do have players that we tend to not want on our rosters or stay away from. And that's cost me. I mean, I've never been a big Carlos Hyde fan, but had I owned him at various points in his the past three years, I would have been very, very happy. So, yeah, I think that, you know, we all are susceptible to the burns of years past. So if a guy, you draft him and he plays for you and he doesn't perform for you, maybe you are irrationally keeping him off your roster. I think that happens.

[Andy Holloway]

And I'll say for, for injury, having a gut feeling about someone getting injured is probably because he just got hurt. And there's a, the misnomer in fan, especially in fantasy football, that, oh, well, this guy is now injury prone. You're, you're injury prone until you're not.

[Mike Wright]

So I'd see Greg Olson.

[Andy Holloway]

I just don't, in the inverse, I just don't buy into that argument at all. But to make you feel better, the reason you have a gut feeling about a player doing well is because you're playing the game. You are, you are absorbing a lot of information, whether it's this podcast, reading up on stats, watching them play, breaking down analytics. Those all translate into what you, what you call a gut feeling. But like Jason said, it's based off of a whole bunch of information.

[Jason Moore]

Now sometimes I will say this, so when it comes to draft season, not so much. Right. There's just too much information like what you're talking about, but on a week to week basis.

[Andy Holloway]

But that daily fantasy, no.

[Jason Moore]

I have in the past made a shot at a player on a week based on a dream. So that has happened once and I do believe Ryan Matthews scored a touchdown that week. So we're okay.

[Mike Wright]

I was going to say, I guess there has Been the occasional irrational decision.

[Andy Holloway]

But that's not a gut feeling. You put on your technicolor dream coat.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah. All right, get out of here.

[Mike Wright]

Jack Wheeler, 77 from Instagram. Who has a better year, Joe Mixon or Dalvin Cook? By the way, you can follow us on Instagram at Fantasy footballers, this is a great question.

[Jason Moore]

I like both guys. This year I'm definitely taking Dalvin Cook. I believe Dalvin Cook is, you know, he was on pace to have an unbelievable year. Everything they've done to the offense, I like. If he's healthy, I just don't see how he is not a top 10 back. And Joe Mixon could be, but I see plenty of ways a la, you know, looking at last year that he won't.

[Andy Holloway]

I will say this for Dalvin Cook because I'm generally speaking with you. I want him on my fantasy team. The only unknown for Dalvin Cook. We have not seen his usage with a healthy Latavius Murray. They brought, Murray was going to be the starter but then he just, he never got healthy for training camp and Dalvin Cook came in and impressed. I'm not, I'm just go look at what, go look at what happened.

[Jason Moore]

That's not what happened. When they signed him, he had already had the ankle problem.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

Before knowing his recovery, they traded up and drafted Dalvin Cook.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm not saying it's. What I am saying is they both will be used and I think that people are undervaluing Latavius Murray and thinking they're just completely writing him off and they're saying Dalvin cook is a three down workhorse who's going to get 260 carries and targets.

[Mike Wright]

Two things. One, I did my stats on both these guys and I have Dalvin Cook about 15 fantasy points ahead of Joe Mixon. Number two, I hope your entire argument that you made right there, you're willing to make that same argument for Kareem Hunt and Spencer Ware because everything you said right there, I could have substituted those two names in there. You've never seen them play together. They, Spencer Ware had the opportunity, both teams traded up for Dalvin Cook, traded up for Kareem Hunt and we've never seen them coexist together. So I think that's the same reason I have hesitancy about Kareem Hunt. Not that he isn't great, but because I haven't seen those things. I'm going to put my chips on the side of the teams and the opportunities that I know for sure that is all true.

[Jason Moore]

Except the one variant here is that between at least Cream Hunt's situation and Dalvin Cooks is that Jerick McKinnon is also gone and they didn't replace. So that's, that's in the favor of, of Dalvin. Yep.

[Mike Wright]

All right, this next question comes in from Music K. Josh on Instagram. Best advice for your first Dynasty draft. You got any good advice for Absolutely.

[Andy Holloway]

Your first one? Do not overvalue youth. Let the rest of the people go crazy for their rookies and unproven players.

[Mike Wright]

Winning now is just as satisfying as winning later. Yeah, even. Even better.

[Andy Holloway]

And that build your team every single year to compete. Wild things happen when you make it into the tournament. You get a big week here or there from a player and all of a sudden you're a champion. While everyone is looking at the draft, next year's rookie draft saying in two years my, I'm going to have a juggernaut. And then they just never ever do. So look for the value in veterans who are just dropping to the middle rounds because people are thinking they're old and yucky.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And it's a fair point. These next two questions maybe are my favorite. First from Instagram, Ryan Bambury, Andy's hit single Josh Rosen is tearing up the country charts. Is he available for co writes?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, are you available?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, I'm available.

[Andy Holloway]

Also, what charts?

[Mike Wright]

The country charts. The country charts. You never heard of them?

[Andy Holloway]

Is that a dot com? How do I check them?

[Mike Wright]

I guarantee you if as long as you can sort by fantasy football songs, I guarantee I'm number one. Yeah. No. Twitter.

[Andy Holloway]

One out of one out.

[Mike Wright]

Still number one. Dominating the charts. Tom in distress off of Twitter omindistress so sorry, Tom, here's a question. Why does Jason hate Ronald Jones's tape? And is Jason sure he is watching the right Ronald Jones when I say.

[Jason Moore]

That I hate Ronald Jones's tape? When I watch these players, I am watching them for the transition to the NFL. That's my only purpose. So when he gets in space, he's electric, he's great, the tape is great. But he's, he's not a pass catching back. That means it's going to be a little bit more difficult to get him into open space. He's going to be running up through the middle of the line and he doesn't have the body. What is he, like 205?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And so that was my concern was where he projects to be used in the NFL is where I didn't like the film. But I will readily admit you get that guy in open space. He is electric. And he went to the best case landing spot for him that I could possibly.

[Mike Wright]

You know, what's funny is I see parallels with the Ronald Jones landing in Tampa and the Jerick McKinnon landing in San Francisco, where I think there were outcomes for Jerick McKinnon's offseason and Ronald Jones draft that could have been real bad.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Terrible for either player. And I think they both ended up in situations where you're like, wow, I can see fantasy production from both of those players. Maybe top, you know, top 24 production. So. All right, let's close it off with this question here From Mark Downey, 2026, on Twitter. This will be a good one for he's been.

[Andy Holloway]

He was born in the year 2026.

[Jason Moore]

Impressive.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Why? Yeah, preemptive strike there on that. On that handle. You got to start grabbing those. Then when the real Mark Downey from 2026 is born, 20 years later, he comes looking and guess what? This Mark Downey, assuming he's still alive.

[Andy Holloway]

Makes some sweet, good, sweet $75.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Well, it'll probably be like, what, space bucks. Yeah, that's right.

[Jason Moore]

That's what I was going Crystallois coin.

[Mike Wright]

Is Derek Henry a hold or sell in Dynasty league's half point ppr? That is a great question and I'd love to hear Mike's answer.

[Andy Holloway]

For me, he is a hold right now because the. The value of Deion Lewis has, I think, really brought him down. I still like Derek Henry and I like Deon Lewis moving forward, but unfortunately, that hope that you held onto for two years while Derek Henry was buried behind DeMarco, Murray will not. You will not get to see what you've been waiting two years for.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would agree. He's a definite hold. We said when DeMarco got cut, he was a trade candidate because trade him for the value. People are trading him like he was a locked and guaranteed top 10 back. It's too late now. And Dion Lewis has injury history. I mean, I think Derek.

[Mike Wright]

So that makes him a hold for both of you.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, yes.

[Mike Wright]

It's interesting because you brought it up already, but I was going to muse on the fact that, you know, when you talk about trade regret, like Mike, you were talking about that trade from last offseason. Sometimes you find regret in not moving a guy when they have perceived value because you enter the season and Derek Henry could prove everybody. He could prove out to not be a hold, not be a keep for Dynasty. Could also prove to be Better. So you kind of evaluate that now. You said it's too late. I'm not sure if everybody's perception of that situation is that it's too late to trade Derek Henry for value. I guess a hold is the right play on that one.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, if it's tough though, if someone out there still sees Derek Henry as a locked, loaded, you know, top 10 running back, then sure, trade him for that value. I pretty much.

[Mike Wright]

That goes for all players.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that goes for all players. It's funny you say, you know, you regret not trading someone for perceived value.

[Mike Wright]

If I could have Joe Williams last year, I could have had way more value for Joe Williams, trading him in the offseason than waiting for him to flame out.

[Jason Moore]

If you can ever trade a guy for his potential value, do it right. Because worst case scenario, I mean, barring other, you know, side injury, is you're getting him, okay, he does blow up, but you got, you got that value.

[Mike Wright]

That's why I never understand why people have no trade players on their roster. Like I think that's such a hindrance for you in fantasy football is your, I never trade that guy because I feel like if somebody wants a player on your team, you should dictate turns back to them. And then if they don't want to give up that cost, but just saying no, they're not available. I don't, I don't understand why you would ever do that.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, if you've got a levy on Bell, you know it's going to cost so much. I already know you're not going to pay it, but you're right, I mean, say look, this is. I want your team.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, there was the great loser, Brian Ketcherin, one of our listener league guys. He sent me a couple trade offers and I'm curious, maybe we'll inadvertently help him, which would be a shame. Alvin Kamara, right. Somebody's coming after Alvin Kamara in a, in a dynasty league.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

And it was Melvin Gordon and next year's first round pick for Alvin Kamara. What would you do?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, give me Melvin Gordon and next year's first.

[Mike Wright]

And my answer to that was I would only do that if I thought the pick was going to be somewhere in the top three.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I side more with Andy.

[Jason Moore]

I've got Melvin Gordon ahead of Alvin Camara this year. So pick up an extra first this year.

[Mike Wright]

Well, yeah, so that makes sense. But you know, you just made your blanket statement, you know, Lev Bell, I would never trade him. But I think, Pete, I think Our difference of opinion right there illustrates the fact that that's why trades can get done. Because if we were in that league and I said I'm never going to trade Alvin Kamara and then you came and you're like, oh, I'll give you Alvin Kamara from Elvin Gordon. I'd be like, sure. No, just straight up.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't do that in a dynasty because of age.

[Andy Holloway]

But that's what we were just talking about.

[Jason Moore]

And a one and a first. Absolutely.

[Mike Wright]

Melvin Gordon is 25 years old.

[Andy Holloway]

The thing about Melvin Gordon though, for his.

[Mike Wright]

Alvin Kamara is 22 years old.

[Andy Holloway]

Is he is. Oh, wait, now I know. Is he on the fourth year or is he on the option right now? I think he's Gordon.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe he's just.

[Jason Moore]

Gordon's on the fourth here. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

So, you know, no, I take it back. I would trade for Gordon and the, the first I was thinking he was on his option and just seeing what has happened to these veteran running backs when they're trying to get that second contract in the news.

[Mike Wright]

He's next year. He plays at the base salary of 5.6 and then he is in unrestricted in 2020. Yeah, man. To me, that whole Dynasty first round pick though, that rookie pick, where that lands matter so much. You think about this year grabbing a guy at the nine or 10 in that draft versus the. The first three, four picks.

[Jason Moore]

But the thing is, is you can then utilize your first with that first. Let's say you have a good.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You know, and you could trade your. The number 8 and the number 11 to move up to the number 5 and grab the actual.

[Mike Wright]

I guess it just depends on. Yeah. Your, your perception of Kamara and mid.

[Andy Holloway]

Just mid season, your power to go and get a player and say, hey, I'll give you this and a shiny first round pick. Mr. Rebuild.

[Mike Wright]

You see, Adam Rank has Alvin Kamara number one overall this year.

[Jason Moore]

Really?

[Mike Wright]

I don't think that that's an outlandish prediction. This is the one thing that gets messed up. Since we're just musing at this point. This gets messed up in the community. Right. You in the fantasy community is there's a, there's a number of players that can finish in that spot. And I don't think, I don't think there's anything wrong with taking your shot on a guy like that. Like if somebody wanted to go out there and make Saquon Barkley the number one fantasy running back this year as a prediction, I'm not It doesn't bother me.

[Andy Holloway]

Barkley actually bothers me less than Camara just because of sheer volume.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but I. What was he last year? And his volume could go. I'm just saying, what if he is what he is and his volume goes up? Like, it's, it's not that far of a gap for a player like that to do it. It's just interesting to me that we were like, oh, no, you can't do that. You can't possibly take that guy.

[Andy Holloway]

You can do whatever you want. But that one I feel like the argument for, in my opinion, his volume argument. Even if you're saying, okay, I'm projecting up, it's still. You will still need an unbelievable efficiency and a whole bunch of rushing touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

That guy's going to be. That team's going to be so good, though. Yes, they will be.

[Andy Holloway]

But the stat that I always go back to is the one to one pass rushing touchdown ratio. Mike Triplett, the beat reporter for the New Orleans Saints, who's a great follow on Twitter, even he has come out and said, I don't expect that to happen again.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah. And I don't. I don't have him number one.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

I'm just saying that if somebody wants to take a shot at a player, I don't blame you. You do you.

[Andy Holloway]

If I have the second pick in that draft, look, I'll be so happy.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, that's true. That's true. And sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. So thank you for tuning in. Mock draft episodes. Do not miss it coming Thursday. Check out the website the fantasy footballers.com and check out draft.comballers to play some basketball.

[Jason Moore]

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