Fantasy Football 2018 - Super Bowl Reaction + Shocking Stats from 2017

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast: Fantasy Football 2018 - Super Bowl Reaction + Shocking Stats from 2017

Release Date: February 6, 2018

Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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Introduction

The Fantasy Footballers kick off the episode by welcoming listeners back to the 2018 fantasy football season. The hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright, share their excitement about the upcoming fantasy season and reflect briefly on their experiences from the previous year.

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Super Bowl Reaction

Key Moments and Analysis

The hosts delve into their favorite moments from the recent Super Bowl, sharing insightful analyses and memorable highlights.

• Doug Peterson's Aggressive Playcalling ([03:22]):
  Mike Wright highlights a pivotal fourth-and-short decision by Eagles head coach Doug Peterson.

  "Game down by a point... Doug Peterson rolled the dice and they got the first down. And it was a huge, huge deal for the team for winning."
  ([03:22])

• Nick Foles' Heroics ([05:33]):
  Andy Holloway praises Nick Foles for his bold decision-making in the end zone.

  "They should not kick. They're that close. You've got to put up six."
  ([04:50])

• Momentum and Confidence ([05:53]):
  Jason Moore discusses how Peterson's aggressive strategy instilled confidence in the team, making Foles deserving of MVP honors.

  "You instill confidence, your true MVP."
  ([05:53])

Quarterback Controversy: Nick Foles vs. Carson Wentz

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the potential quarterback controversy for the Philadelphia Eagles next season.

• Nick Foles' Future ([09:05]):
  The hosts agree unanimously that Nick Foles is unlikely to remain the starting quarterback unless Carson Wentz is injured.

  "There is 0.0% chance that Nick Foles is the starting quarterback for the Eagles outside of injury to Carson Wentz."
  ([09:05])

• Carson Wentz's Recovery ([09:38]):
  Mike Wright touches on Carson Wentz's injury recovery, emphasizing expectations for his return.

  "Everybody expects him to be back on by the first of the [season]."
  ([09:38])

• Dynasty League Implications ([48:32]):
  In the mailbag segment, a listener asks about trading Wentz for a high draft pick.

  "I would not do that." – Jason Moore
  "I would trade Wentz immediately for the 103." – Mike Wright
  ([48:32])

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Shocking Stats from 2017

The hosts present a series of surprising statistics from the previous NFL season, analyzing their implications for fantasy football.

Sammy Watkins vs. Cooper Kupp ([16:17] - [18:04])

• Watkins' Performance ([16:17]):
  Jason Moore and Andy Holloway discuss Sammy Watkins' 2017 season, noting his efficiency in red zone targets despite limited opportunities.

  "I think Watkins next season in 2018 would be a wide receiver two, which is really much better than what he did this year."
  ([16:17])

• Cooper Kupp's Emergence ([18:19]):
  The comparison between Watkins and rookie Cooper Kupp highlights Kupp's impressive target share and production.

  "Adam Thielen, 143 targets... he played very, very well."
  ([18:19])

Adam Thielen vs. Stefon Diggs ([19:58] - [24:01])

• Thielen's Target Share ([19:58]):
  Adam Thielen's strong performance contrasted with Stefon Diggs' injury-plagued season prompts discussion on their fantasy value.

  "Adam Thielen will fall in the drafts. He got the job done because he is great."
  ([20:53])

• Health Concerns and Future Outlook ([22:35]):
  Concerns about Diggs' health and his performance when healthy are weighed against Thielen's consistency.

  "I think Stefan Diggs will be dominant for fantasy football."
  ([22:35])

George Kittle's Rookie Year ([26:47] - [28:36])

• Kittle's Red Zone Targets ([26:47]):
  Despite finishing 21st in standard leagues, rookie tight end George Kittle had an impressive number of red zone targets.

  "George Kittle is a best ball darling."
  ([27:02])

• Fantasy Implications ([28:36]):
  The potential of Kittle rising in fantasy value is explored, though some skepticism remains about his immediate impact.

  "George Kittle has some nice talent and you can get him late."
  ([28:36])

Jarvis Landry's Reception Record ([29:21] - [30:37])

• Historical Context ([29:21]):
  Jason Moore highlights Jarvis Landry becoming the first receiver in NFL history with 100+ receptions but under 1,000 receiving yards.

  "He can be let down by him unless you're in a full PPR league."
  ([29:21])

• Future Expectations ([30:37]):
  The discussion anticipates a possible regression in Landry's performance unless paired with an improved quarterback.

  "I don't expect him to be up near the nine touchdown mark."
  ([30:37])

Marvin Jones' Redemption ([31:41] - [34:14])

• Jones' Yards After Catch ([31:41]):
  Marvin Jones led the league with 18 yards per reception, sparking debate on his fantasy drafting position.

  "Marvin Jones could go either way. I could see people just really believing this."
  ([32:28])

• ADP and Draft Strategy ([33:07]):
  The hosts discuss Marvin Jones' Average Draft Position (ADP) and argue for his value based on his performance improvement.

  "Marvin Jones will be underdraft now."
  ([34:14])

Jamal Williams' Rushing Efficiency ([43:56] - [45:56])

• Williams' Carry Efficiency ([43:56]):
  Jamal Williams averaged only 3.9% of his carries for 10+ yards, the worst among 34 running backs.

  "Jamal Williams may very well be the goal line guy."
  ([44:39])

• Green Bay's Running Back Strategy ([45:47]):
  Predictions are made about Green Bay's running back usage, favoring Aaron Jones over Jamal Williams.

  "I'm putting my chips on a Green Bay running back right now, it's Aaron Jones."
  ([45:47])

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Rookies and Tight Ends

George Kittle's Potential ([26:47] - [28:36])

The hosts express optimism about George Kittle's potential growth as a tight end, especially with a strong quarterback on his team.

• Kittle's Athleticism ([27:14]):

  "He is incredibly athletic. He's going to have a franchise level quarterback with him."
  ([27:14])

• Draft Strategy ([27:31]):
  Mike Wright shares his experience drafting Kittle as a valuable late-round gem.

  "George Kittle is a best ball darling."
  ([27:31])

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Mailbag Highlights

Listeners submit questions that the hosts address, providing expert advice and insights into fantasy football strategies.

Nick Foles and Carson Wentz Controversy ([47:09] - [48:22])

• Listener Question ([47:09]):
  "How do you feel about Nick Foles winning the Super Bowl, possibly creating a quarterback controversy for Carson Wentz next season?"

• Hosts' Response ([47:28] - [48:22]):
  The hosts reiterate their stance that Carson Wentz remains the starting quarterback, with no real threat from Nick Foles unless Wentz is injured.

  "Doug Peterson has already come out... I expect you're going to lead us back to this next year."
  "Any fantasy analyst that would even allude to the possibility of anybody else being the starting quarterback is leading you astray."
  ([48:22])

Trading Carson Wentz for Draft Pick ([48:32] - [51:21])

• Listener Question ([48:32]):
  "Is it worth trading Wentz for the 103? In a rookie draft in a dynasty league?"

• Hosts' Response ([48:32] - [51:21]):
  Andy Holloway and Jason Moore advise against trading Carson Wentz, emphasizing his long-term value as a franchise quarterback. Mike Wright suggests context-dependent decisions but maintains the high value of Wentz.

  "I would not do that." – Jason Moore
  "I would trade Wentz immediately for the 103." – Mike Wright
  "But long term, I think he is a true superstar." – Andy Holloway
  ([48:32])

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Final Thoughts and Closing

The episode wraps up with playful banter among the hosts, reinforcing their camaraderie and commitment to providing valuable fantasy football insights.

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Notable Quotes

• Mike Wright on Coach Peterson's Strategy ([03:22]):

  "Doug Peterson rolled the dice and they got the first down. And it was a huge, huge deal for the team for winning."

• Jason Moore on Nick Foles' MVP ([05:53]):

  "You instill confidence, your true MVP."

• Andy Holloway on Sammy Watkins' Future ([16:17]):

  "I think Watkins next season in 2018 would be a wide receiver two, which is really much better than what he did this year."

• Jason Moore on Adam Thielen vs. Stefon Diggs ([20:53]):

  "Adam Thielen will fall in the drafts. He got the job done because he is great."

• Mike Wright on Fee-less Running Backs ([22:35]):

  "I think Stefan Diggs will be dominant for fantasy football."

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Conclusion

This episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast offers a comprehensive analysis of the Super Bowl, critical discussions on player performances and future prospects, and engages with listener queries to address real-world fantasy football dilemmas. Whether you're a seasoned fantasy manager or new to the game, the insights provided by Andy, Jason, and Mike are invaluable for crafting a winning strategy for the 2018 season.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome in. It's the 2018 fantasy football fantasy football season.

[Mike Wright]

That was my eagle sound.

[Andy Holloway]

Fly, Eagles, fly.

[Jason Moore]

We are all back. The full trifecta.

[Andy Holloway]

The super bowl is over and it.

[Jason Moore]

Was a great game. Wow. Andy, Mike and Jason, the fantasy footballers back once more. Thank you for tuning in to the podcast. We are bringing you fantasy football news, information, insight. Help you in your league all year long and enjoy doing it. Yeah, yeah. I enjoyed beating Mike very much this past year.

[Mike Wright]

He did.

[Jason Moore]

And Mike delivered on his promise. He hand delivered me a championship ring from fantasychamps.com today in the office. I was very surprised that you followed.

[Mike Wright]

Through a man of honor.

[Jason Moore]

You said you were tempted to troll me in some fashion.

[Mike Wright]

I was, but I was the bigger man.

[Jason Moore]

And you realized that the ultimate troll would have me would just be me telling you that I won again. Yeah, you can't really outdo that.

[Andy Holloway]

One thing that I have found out is that it's very difficult to troll the champ. Yeah, you can't really troll the champ because they've kind of got that card that says I'm the champ. For instance. Just for instance. So Brian Ketron, he was in our listener league this year. He's a loser.

[Jason Moore]

Right?

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, number one.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. He lost all the losers.

[Jason Moore]

His losses, his losses were the most.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. So just in general, Brian Ketron is just a gigantic loser.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

To me, however, sorry, Brian, he is a Philadelphia Eagles die hard fan and so today it would be impossible for me to troll him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Because he.

[Andy Holloway]

Even though he's such a big loser. So congratulations, Brian.

[Jason Moore]

I love the NFL. I love the NFL because you just don't know what's going to happen. You never know what's going to happen. Even when you think you know exactly what's going to happen, it doesn't happen. I mean, that was incredible. So, quick question of the day. We have a shocking stats episode. We're going to talk about the Super Bowl a little bit. We'll talk about some of the news, and then we'll get into the shocking stats from the past year. And these are always really fun episodes because you get to talk about some things that maybe you weren't aware of and the implications, and it'll be a lot of fun. But what was your favorite moment of the Super Bowl? Let's start there.

[Mike Wright]

I have a quote here from head coach, super bowl winning head coach Doug Peterson, who says, quote, you learn if you play passive, if you play conservative, if you call plays conservatively, you are going to be 8 and 8 and 9 and 7 every year.

[Jason Moore]

And John Fox goes. You promise?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

John fox gets to 8 and 8.

[Mike Wright]

Jeff Fisher. So my favorite moment of the super bowl was the drive when it was fourth and short. I can't remember the exact yardage, but they're right in the middle of the field.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they're about what, the 40. Their own 45. Their own 48.

[Mike Wright]

And game down by a point. No. A game theory says you have to. You can go for this because probability says you're going to get a yard as long as you have a good play. But so many coaches in the NFL subscribe to the old, old man playbook. The get off my lawn playbook says.

[Jason Moore]

No, the Werther's original playbook.

[Mike Wright]

It doesn't matter. It's fourth down. I have to punt the ball because that's what we have always done.

[Andy Holloway]

Game of field position.

[Mike Wright]

And Doug Peterson rolled the dice and they got the first down. And it was a huge, huge deal for the team for winning. I mean, okay, it's a huge swing.

[Jason Moore]

That was your big play.

[Andy Holloway]

There was literally combined both teams. There was one punt.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

In the whole game. I mean, that's. That might be like my favorite part of the game is that there was just non stop action.

[Jason Moore]

Most yards, most what? In postseason history.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. It's just incredible. I would say my favorite moment, very similar to you, Mike. It was the fourth and goal from short decision. You, you know, look, take the field goal. Take. Take the free points. It's like, no, you're playing the Patriots. They are going to score on you. You have got to play along. You've got to play bold. And, you know, they. They call that passing play to Nick Foles in the end zone. I loved every bit of it. When they, when they went for it, I knew right then I was like, yes, this is exactly what they should be doing. They should not kick. They're that close. You've got to put up six.

[Mike Wright]

I saw Nick Foles was asked about it and he's so nonchalant about it. Basically said, oh yeah. He's like, yeah. I said, let's go for it. That's your attitude towards this insane. Well, it's seemingly insane trick play? We, yeah, let's do it.

[Jason Moore]

We are in a world of statistics and probability and numbers and predictions and betting and this is the environment that you have. We want everything that we can measure and predict. But you cannot and will never be able to measure and predict momentum and those type of things, like instilling confidence that Doug Peterson, the MVP of the Super Bowl. You instill confidence, your true mvp. Well, Nick Foltz deserves all the credit in the world. I'm just saying Doug Peterson was great. You give your team confidence to play on the level of a five time super bowl champion by going for it and succeeding. You don't get to measure that. That's not on the back of a football card. But by going forward and succeeding, they. For the rest of the game, we're here to play. We are able to do this. I think that's what happened. And I picked out the sack. Fumble play. Ultimately, this game, the way it was going with the insane amount of points and moving up and down the field, I always felt like it was going to come down to who makes the first mistake. And big play. Congrats to Eagles fans and I'm wearing.

[Mike Wright]

My Eagles green today.

[Jason Moore]

We've got the Alshon Jeffrey jersey up on the wall, who by the way, was incredible. Was there anything. Let's, let's transition for a second. Was there anything fantasy relevant to this game? Anything that gave you, you know, excite like Corey Clement had a monster game. All of a sudden you're saying, you know, Jay, he wasn't used that much. Legarre Blunt looked very good.

[Mike Wright]

Well, they were. It was pretty even across the board. That's what stood out. And it was the LeGarrett blunt success. Will they bring him back because he is a free agent for fantasy purposes. We hope he does not come back. We hope that this is J. Ajayi and Corey Clement because that would be two very usable guys for fantasy football.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Limited touches for Deion Lewis in this game. They were playing from behind throughout the game.

[Mike Wright]

Also give Rex Goat head the ball more. Are you kidding me?

[Andy Holloway]

He was very good when he got it.

[Jason Moore]

He was incredible all three attempts. He was just mind blowing. I have up to 18 total yards.

[Mike Wright]

18 total yards. But you're leaving out his 40 yard reception.

[Jason Moore]

6 yards reception.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

Every time he touched the ball, these two teams. That's the irony here.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, what a game. So smooth.

[Jason Moore]

That was not. I was just. I was using my hands very. You know, you just grazed. Graze the soundboard. And that was destiny. Kenny G showed up for the super bowl analysis show. No, what I was going to say.

[Mike Wright]

Is these two teams foreshadowing next year.

[Jason Moore]

There you go. I always joked, I mean, they have the same running back situation where for fantasy it's bad, but for reality, they meet in the super bowl and, you know, Burkhead, White Lewis on the New England side and then Blunt, Ajayi Clement.

[Andy Holloway]

And they both have, you know, probably the number one and number two tight end in the league. These teams mirror each other quite a.

[Jason Moore]

Bit, except for the whole Brady Foles thing.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Brady Wentz, which we should talk about.

[Mike Wright]

Nick Foles moving forward. What does this situation look like?

[Jason Moore]

Just in case you're curious. Those the layman out there.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

There is 0.0% chance that Nick Foles is the starting quarterback for the Eagles outside of injury to Carson Wentz.

[Andy Holloway]

Correct.

[Mike Wright]

The owner called, I have to say.

[Jason Moore]

Because I've heard people talk about it.

[Andy Holloway]

It's absurd. I mean, it's absurd to think that they would not go with Carson Wentz. Mike, you brought it up, like at the super bowl speech, you know, you're getting the Lombardi Trophy, and he's like, you know, we lost our franchise quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Any fantasy analyst that would even allude to the possibility of anybody else being the starting quarterback is leading you astray.

[Mike Wright]

It's a silly thing to say. It's just hot takey. But where. What will happen with Nick Foles? Will the Philadelphia Eagles attempt to trade him? Because there's. There's probably going to be a market for him. Some teams will want him. But you have Carson Wentz coming off an ACL and now a. They've added in or. The news was recently released. He tore his LCL as well. Is that correct?

[Jason Moore]

Yes. But he's also. He was throwing yesterday.

[Mike Wright]

That's great.

[Jason Moore]

They said the recovery because he didn't tear his shoulder.

[Mike Wright]

He tore his knee.

[Jason Moore]

It'll be a tough decision for Philly. It's whether somebody comes knocking on the door because they paid a lot of money for Foles as a backup, more than most. And if someone comes knocking, you're going to make that trade. You're going to put yourself in that position. But.

[Mike Wright]

But will you make the trade knowing that there's a possibility? Carson Wentz. What if he's not ready till halfway.

[Jason Moore]

Through the season, that'll be determined by. That's not a real possibility to them. Everybody expects him to be back on by the first of the.

[Mike Wright]

I've read some things.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I haven't. I haven't recently. I've read that he's doing really well.

[Mike Wright]

I keep myself away.

[Jason Moore]

Everybody expects.

[Mike Wright]

Away from you.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Okay. Here's what we've learned this season. Jeff Fisher, all of his quarterbacks that he had were great. Nick Foles, Case Keenum and Jared Goff had wonderful years. One's a Super bowl mvp.

[Mike Wright]

And here's the thing for Nick Foles, he was great with Chip Kelly. I mean, to be fair, it was a magical season. He had a lot of things bounce his way. I'm not trying to say that he was a superstar, but he played very, very well. Then he goes to Jeff Fisher's team.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And his career implodes. He considers.

[Andy Holloway]

So you asking the question of whether or not.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. Is Nick Foles actually any good?

[Jason Moore]

Yes. I think he has the. I mean, clearly. I mean, you have to. If there's ever a day to say yes, let's say it the day after the super bowl when you've. When he's the super bowl mvp, he put up an otherworldly performance against Minnesota.

[Andy Holloway]

Top five yards in a Super Bowl.

[Jason Moore]

He executed the game plan to perfection. The throw to Jeffrey, the throw to Clement, the fourth down conversion to Ertz off of, you know, a rollout left the catch and, you know, executing that play. He got it done.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So when you look at what. Look at the landscape of NFL quarterbacks.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

So you're telling me that Browns wouldn't have rather had Nick Foles all season.

[Mike Wright]

But will he work in their system?

[Andy Holloway]

Right. So for instance, that's my question.

[Mike Wright]

Is he actually good or is Doug Peterson's offensive system.

[Jason Moore]

So he's not a top 15 quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

If a team. If a team like the Arizona Cardinals who need a quarterback, I don't expect Kirk Cousins to go there. Were to make a move.

[Jason Moore]

You were out of town, by the way. I want your top two teams for them because we all set them on the show.

[Andy Holloway]

Top two teams for Kirk Cousins.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Number one is definitely going to be Denver. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

We all said that.

[Andy Holloway]

I think that's where he ends up. Number two.

[Jason Moore]

Mike took Minnesota, Brooks took the Jets. I took the Cardinals.

[Andy Holloway]

You took the jets or was that.

[Mike Wright]

You're just your third.

[Jason Moore]

I took the Cardinals, Brooks took the Jets.

[Mike Wright]

Brooks is dumb.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, I know it has been Said that it's not happening, but I'm still going to go with my number two, San Francisco. That's awesome. No, I'm going to go with the Browns. The Browns.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, they just offer him so much money that he can't say no.

[Jason Moore]

I just watched. He was interviewed right before the super bowl, and he said winning is going to be the number one thing for him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. He's also said. I mean, he's not.

[Jason Moore]

He can get paid by any of these other winning franchises.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's. That's why he's not going.

[Jason Moore]

But that's okay.

[Mike Wright]

Or the Browns.

[Jason Moore]

All right, do you guys want to touch on anything else? Larry Fitzgerald came out. He said he's going to make his decision on playing next year within the next one or two weeks, which will be ahead of whether. When the Cardinals acquire a quarterback. So he'll get a sense of what the organization is doing and whether they're going to make a push for.

[Mike Wright]

He can go talk to general manager Steve Keim and say, who are we going after? And if they lay out a list that Larry.

[Jason Moore]

And what if he says Nick Foles? Does Larry stay around?

[Mike Wright]

I will weep.

[Andy Holloway]

I would assume. I would assume that Larry would rather play with Nick Foles than an incoming rookie.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. He has a limited window, obviously.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Unless you guys have other news, I want to get into the stats.

[Mike Wright]

Let's get in the stats.

[Andy Holloway]

How'd you do that?

[Mike Wright]

I'm not even mad.

[Jason Moore]

That's amazing. All right. Some shocking stats from 2017. If you are like me and you know, one episode of shocking stats is not enough. You can always go to the website, the fantasy footballers.com. we have 25 shocking stats articles for.

[Mike Wright]

Every position, including Jason's favorite kicker. We have a kicker article.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

The Borgogan.

[Jason Moore]

Kyle.

[Mike Wright]

The Borgon.

[Jason Moore]

Do you know how hard it is to get a kicker article onto the Internet?

[Mike Wright]

It asks you hackers several times.

[Jason Moore]

Hackers try to take that down quick.

[Mike Wright]

Anonymous came after us.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

And they. I mean, threats were made.

[Andy Holloway]

I even tried to take that. I've got admin login. I'm like, no, we had to block Jason.

[Jason Moore]

No, we had to change the name to football pushers.

[Mike Wright]

We had to use a code name.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. But we're gonna get into some of the more interesting ones that. That we have pushers. I did. You know, it's.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, it's factually correct with a lot of force.

[Jason Moore]

Push it with their foot.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think that you push things with feet.

[Jason Moore]

Really? You never driven a car before?

[Mike Wright]

You've never done the move where you go and you shove something with your foot.

[Jason Moore]

You don't drive.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I feel like that's kicking.

[Jason Moore]

No, you kick your pedal in your car.

[Mike Wright]

Ooh, you gently.

[Andy Holloway]

I step on my pedal.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, you step.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah. Every time you hit the gas, Jason goes knee up.

[Andy Holloway]

Just cranks like I'm walking.

[Jason Moore]

It's only in like quick pushes. It's very uncomfortable. All right, number one, as disappointing as Sammy Watkins was this year, and Mike and I, we talked about Sammy Watkins this past week with the targets in the context of Cooper Cup's great season, he did lead the Rams with eight touchdown receptions, despite the fact Cooper cup more than doubled the targets in the red zone. Watkins, look, he's a big bodied receiver, right? He only had 10 red zone targets. He had eight touchdowns on the year. Obviously not all those were inside the red zone. But what do you make of Sammy Watkins, his proposed interest in coming back? And let's say they sign him and you do have Robert Wood. Sammy Watkins, Cooper cup. You're rerolling what you had last year. Coach of the year, Sean McVay. Watkins is what, Jason, in fantasy football.

[Andy Holloway]

I think Watkins next season in 2018 would be a wide receiver two, which really much better than what he did this year. And there's several reasons. There's several reasons that I think this, looking into the Sammy trade a little bit more in prep for this show, I was. I basically realized. So if you don't remember, Sammy Watkins was traded after the first week of the preseason. Okay, so he had no training camp.

[Jason Moore]

Moments after our show release.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, he had. He had no training camp.

[Mike Wright]

It's very inconsiderate.

[Andy Holloway]

No OTAs, you know, no nothing. Gelling already for the offense. He came in and right off the bat was in on the next preseason game and I think got two receptions. If you look at so 23 red zone targets to Cooper cup, only 10 to Watkins. 13 more red zone targets. But that's not really what is valuable, right? We talk about that all the time. It's those targets inside the 10 and there Cooper cup only had two more targets on the season than Watkins. When they got down near the goal line, Watkins was the guy. And we talked about this through the season. There were a lot of just kind of crazy broken plays where it was the wide receiver getting the job done for Jared Goff as opposed to Carson Wentz, who was a magician near the goal line and finding the guy coming open in the end zone.

[Jason Moore]

I'll buy all that. Right? Like if you spend the money on Sammy Watkins to come back, he's part of your game plan. Talent, opportunity. We talk about it. His talent. Great. His opportunity should be there. That being said, Cooper cops coming off 62 receptions for 800 plus yards and five touchdowns as a rookie. Watkins 39 for whatever, 500 and something.

[Mike Wright]

Robert Woods.

[Jason Moore]

The real question is who do you draft? Who would you draft first then? You know, in a. In a full point PPR leagues. Oh, well, you sure. But would you draft Cooper cup or Sammy Watkins in a full ppr? In a full PPR based on full pbr.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to take Cooper cup.

[Andy Holloway]

As would I. I'm going to go Watkins.

[Jason Moore]

I think they spread the ball around enough to where I'd rather have the.

[Mike Wright]

So for just to break it down. Four of Samuel Watkins touchdowns were inside the 10.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

So they went to him.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's move on to our next stat here. Oh, Adam Thielen, 143 targets. So the hashtag he good. The quarterback, Case Keenum.

[Mike Wright]

Thanks.

[Jason Moore]

He was hooked on athealin all year long. That's the most targets for a Vikings wide out in 15 years. He had. They hadn't had one go over 121 since Randy Moss's monster 2003 campaign when he had 172 targets and 17 touchdowns, which congratulations. That's also known as one Sammy Watkins career. That's what that season is. All right. Adam Thielen, 143 targets. Diggs was banged up at times during the season, but Adam Thielen again, you saw it at the end, the tail end of last year. It translated. And despite Sam Bradford going down, Thielen was always open. That's how I define great hands. Always open. Adam Thielen, Stefan Diggs, give me your sense of who you'd be leaning on next year and where you expect them to go in fantasy drafts because we don't know the quarterback. And if it's Case Keenum coming back, you're going to feel more confident in I think the target share for Thielen and Diggs, but incredible year for Adam Thielen.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it is. I really like Thielen. I would take Thielen ahead of Diggs hands down. He is the number one guy for that team. I think in the drafts they'll go pretty near each other and I think honestly, Adam Thielen will fall. He'll fall in the drafts. He's. We've seen it for multiple years now where people just don't believe that he's going to get the job done. But if you look over the last two years, he's had five games without Diggs. And if you look at the splits with Diggs and Without Diggs in PPR, it's 13.7 points versus 13.8. I mean, they're, they're the same. This isn't. Adam Thielen got the job done because Diggs was hobbled or banged up. Adam Thielen got the job done because he is great. We said this two years ago, Andy, when we watched and we were like, oh my gosh, this guy's catching everything. He's flying open. He's fast, he's big. He's. He, you know, he's so similar.

[Jason Moore]

Great when the play breaks down. Great. You know when you're finding a spot for the quarterback to find you when a play's breaking down. So do you agree with that assessment, Mike? Will you draft him over Diggs?

[Mike Wright]

I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

Diggs has not been able to stay healthy. That's the biggest caveat there and that's the. I'm not sure he's more talented than Diggs.

[Mike Wright]

That's the thing that would have me lean towards Adam Thielen. If they're very, very close. I mean, I don't want to hedge and say I'll take the guy who's later. But Stefan Diggs, once he really got back from his injury, you're talking seven of the last eight games, including the playoffs, he had at least five receptions and touchdown in four straight games. Stefan Diggs, the move from. They moved Diggs to the outside and Adam Thielen into the slot for a majority of the snapshot, which was, you know, towards the beginning of the season, was a little bit concerning, but it worked out great for both wide receivers. I think that they should be valued very, very close to each other.

[Jason Moore]

What if it was Thielen in the fourth, Diggs in the fifth?

[Andy Holloway]

Thielen.

[Jason Moore]

Let's say somebody's got a keeper decision. That's right.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, that's, ah.

[Jason Moore]

Is that right on the line?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's right on the line. I lean.

[Jason Moore]

So if they're both in the fourth, you'd be okay?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'll just throw this out.

[Jason Moore]

You're looking for the value there, figuring that maybe this next year is digs year.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we know it's. Granted, health is a huge concern for Stefan Diggs. Health was a massive concern for one Keenan Allen coming into this season. What I believe and know about Stefan Diggs, if he were to play 16 games at full strength.

[Jason Moore]

He.

[Mike Wright]

He will be dominant for fantasy football.

[Andy Holloway]

So he came back and he was healthy by week eight and he played essentially the second half of the season, weeks eight through 16. Half of a season. If you were to give him a 16 game pace based on what he did the second half of the season, 73 receptions for 807 yards and seven touchdowns, would you be happy with that for Diggs? Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no, I wouldn't exactly.

[Andy Holloway]

800 yards, seven reception, seven touchdowns, 73 receptions. That's not what I'm trying to get in that fourth or fifth round. I think if Adam Thielen.

[Mike Wright]

Well, What's Adam Thielen's 8 through 16?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I was doing that because of Diggs health. I mean, Adam Thielen, even on the season was just great.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, he certainly was. But I don't, man, I don't know. I lean with the talents of Diggs. I'll take my shot.

[Andy Holloway]

There you go.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I didn't know. If you're going to drop a stat on me, Jay, if you're looking at 8 through 16 for.

[Andy Holloway]

I wasn't looking at that.

[Jason Moore]

The nice thing is he dropped off in those.

[Andy Holloway]

We don't need to look at those because he played 16 well there.

[Jason Moore]

No, there's an argument to be made that digs health and being on the field at the same time as Thielen, that would impact how Thielen played in the beginning part of the year when he was dominant. But Diggs was banged up.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. Eight. I've got the answer for you. From 8 to 16, he would have had 85 receptions for 1,328 yards and seven touchdowns. So I'll take.

[Mike Wright]

I changed my answer.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

That's okay, right? Like if she gets the flowers and I eat all the chocolate strawberries, it's perfectly fine. How about this? I'll just eat all the chocolate off the strawberries.

[Andy Holloway]

You can have the strawberries. I just want the chocolate.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, let's talk about this. Mike, you'll love it. Despite finishing 21st in standard leagues, rookie tight end George Kittle. Sixteen red zone targets tied with Kyle Rudolph and only one less than Zach Ertz.

[Mike Wright]

Kittle's in bits.

[Jason Moore]

Kittle for next year. We talked about this last week, but that's got to make you feel even more excited about Jimmy G and George Kittle next.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, absolutely. I'm very much looking Forward to the growth of George Kittle. I think that he can emerge as a low end tight end one next year. I'm not calling for the top five.

[Jason Moore]

Yet like a Jack Doyle esque.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Type of season.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, absolutely. And he, he's incredibly athletic. He's going to have a franchise level quarterback with him. We're doing best ball over on draft already.

[Jason Moore]

Already.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And we're all. The three of us are in a draft together and I grabbed George Kittle and Jason says to me he's like you son of a gun Took George Kittle because he is a late round gem.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

We talk about this all the time that if you want one of the high level tight ends you have to pay the premium and the premium is their sticker shock that I don't want to pay.

[Jason Moore]

George Kittle is a best ball darling.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

I mean if you are looking for that week to week tight end and he has the opportunity to drop you two or three huge games that'd be, that'd be a nice pickup and he'd be free.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I'm going to need to issue a correction statement here because while I do think George Kittle has some, some nice talent and you can get him late, I'm not as crazy about George Kittle as you, Mike and the guy that you actually drafted. This was another best ball that I was, Vance McDonald who goes much, much later than George Kittle. But it's interesting.

[Jason Moore]

7 for 83 in a touchdown game. He had a 4 for 100 game to end the year. 3 for 42 and a touchdown the week before that. It'll be interesting to see if he receives enough targets next year.

[Andy Holloway]

I think it's about the snaps because if you look at it it's like he wasn't good. It wasn't good for fans say about the snacks. I wish it was about the snap percentages for him because here's. I could paint the picture both directions for George Kittle but do you believe.

[Jason Moore]

In the talent then?

[Andy Holloway]

I think that he is talented. I'm just not sure that they're going to utilize him in that way right now. They had no other pass catchers and I assume that San Francisco is going to rectify that.

[Jason Moore]

This Vance McDonald or George Kittle?

[Andy Holloway]

Vance McDonald.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

It's going to be tough to choose between the two of them.

[Jason Moore]

Check this out. Jarvis Landry is the first receiver in NFL history to have 100 plus receptions but under a thousand receiving yards. We've seen that happen with three running backs in history. Larry Sinners Ladanian Tomlinson and Matt Forte in 2014. But Jarvis Landry was this just a matter of passing through the air. They trade away jai they lose Damian Williams. Did I say passing through the air?

[Mike Wright]

Definitely said passing through the air.

[Jason Moore]

I guess I meant running through the air. You know, that is the dangerous thing about Jarvis Landry is you get so excited about the 100 plus receptions, but unless you're in a full PPR league, you can be let down by him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, and not only that, but he bailed you out this year with a couple touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

More than a couple.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I'm saying more than what he usually does. Usually he's not. He's not, you know, a touchdown guy. He's four, five touchdowns. And then this last year, that is. I would expect that to regress. I would expect next year maybe his yards per reception come up a little bit, which is helpful. If he gets Ryan Tannehill back, I think he'll be in a better situation. But we don't even know he'll be a dog.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think he's going to be back there.

[Andy Holloway]

But wherever he goes, I don't expect him to be up near the nine touchdown mark.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let me ask you this. Is this a rebound situation? So Marvin Jones this year made fantasy owners happy because he led the league with 18 yards per reception on 107 targets. The league average is 12.9. You look at Marvin Jones career, his average is 15 and that includes this past year with the 18 average. Years before, 16.9 in 2016. So obviously once he was brought in to be a starter in Detroit, they're driving the ball down the field with him. 108 targets, 61 receptions, 1100 yards and nine touchdowns. If you told me next year that I was getting 60 for 1109, I'd be pretty darn happy. Yeah, but do you think that'll happen? Do you think that's what you're going to get from Marvin Jones? I mean, we were really disappointed in the way he fell off last year and he came back this year and proved that he could be a fantasy force.

[Mike Wright]

The thing is, so 18, 18 yards of reception leads the league. The year before he was at 16.9. So it's not like he went from 13 yards, which that's what he did. Moving from Cincinnati to Detroit, he went from 12.6 a catch to 16.9. But that's just a. They used him.

[Jason Moore]

He was a red zone guy in Cincinnati.

[Mike Wright]

Right. He was not the number one running the Nine route with. With a high frequency, with a. With a good quarterback. So I think that it's somewhere, you know, it's right between that and Marvin Jones is. Where do you think I'll go? Jason, where do you think Marvin Jones should be drafted? Will be drafted?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Where he should be drafted is probably.

[Mike Wright]

Around higher or lower than you feel like his actual ADP would be.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, usually I've got a. I feel like I've got a really good idea of what the community of football players will do. Marvin Jones could go either way. I could see people just really believing this. Going into his third year in this system, he got better, you know, this year over the. We saw some of the, you know, the talent. Yeah, I mean, I'm looking for. The word is just like, what tastes so good?

[Jason Moore]

Potential.

[Andy Holloway]

Potential is probably.

[Jason Moore]

Tastes so good. We saw some of the pizza.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what it was there. We saw some of the pizza in Marvin Jones two years ago.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

You said, man, that's a good slice. I just wish I could get a whole pie. And now this last year you got, you know, I think eight of the 10 slices and you're thinking maybe he goes for that. For that full circle, he's going to.

[Mike Wright]

Upgrade to a meat pizza.

[Jason Moore]

He had a great year. I buy it. I buy Stafford's a franchise quarterback, and I think he'll be underdrafted, making him a great value. My guess is he goes in like the sixth, seventh round, maybe the eighth round. Because people don't buy into this.

[Mike Wright]

The eight.

[Andy Holloway]

What?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

The only way he knows ADP today.

[Jason Moore]

Which I know it's February 5th, is ADP today is 8:12. I know you don't believe it, but here's the deal. Fourth, okay?

[Mike Wright]

Fourth rounder, Kelvin Benjamin or Marvin Jones.

[Jason Moore]

Marvin Jones is going to go higher than that.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, stop.

[Jason Moore]

Emmanuel Sanders.

[Mike Wright]

Marvin.

[Jason Moore]

Marvin Jones will go higher than that. What about Kirk Cousins? Is Michael Crabtree.

[Andy Holloway]

I would. Assuming he's on Golden Tate.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'll take Marvin over Golden Tate.

[Andy Holloway]

I would take Marvin Jones over Golden.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, let's just say he goes in the sixth round. Is that. Is that a hap. Are you happy with that?

[Mike Wright]

That's a steal. Because in my head, he goes fourth round.

[Jason Moore]

Fourth round.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Alan Robinson or Marvin Jones next year? Good question right there.

[Mike Wright]

That's a very good question.

[Jason Moore]

Because Marvin Jones. Do you remember where he finished? Jason, do you know where he was?

[Andy Holloway]

He's got to be near 12, 700. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

The number 10 wideout. And I buy it because if you give me A opportunity, talent and a franchise quarterback. I'm going to buy into the fact that he can have another successful year. I think he's good for 60 plus and 1000 plus.

[Andy Holloway]

And the smooth routes of Kenny G. They will hurt Marvin Jones, adp. And I don't. I don't.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, so smooth.

[Andy Holloway]

But I. Yeah, I think that Marvin Jones will be underdraft now.

[Mike Wright]

Jbc, Jim Bob Cooter, he's expected to be back. Do you see any effect of this team when Gimli comes in?

[Jason Moore]

Matt Patricia.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. When Matt Patricia was shown on the sideline all 800 times yesterday, there's two things that happened. One, every single time that happened, we all said. And my axe from Lord of the Rings over and over again. And number two, I kept. I kept thinking like Detroit fans as the score was being rung up, starting like Grimace, you know, it's like you took a bite of a sandwich and you're like, oh, yeah, this sandwich is so good. The mayo might be sour. The mayo might be spoiled. Oh, no. What did we get ourselves into now?

[Mike Wright]

Did my ax. Is he. Was he happy or was he sad that Malcolm Butler was benched?

[Jason Moore]

That's sad. Of course he said, well, it was. Unless he made that decision.

[Mike Wright]

Allegedly. Bill Belichick has said this was a coach's decision based off of football play only.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

So how does your decode make decision?

[Jason Moore]

I would call it a bad coach's decision based on football play only.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. I don't know.

[Mike Wright]

Maybe. That's a curious case.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. All right. If your last name is Murray, you go down Demarco Murray and Latavius Murray averaged 1.4 yards after contact per carry, tied for worse in the league Next year. You'd rather have which Murray? Who would you rather. Murray.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, if I got to pick between.

[Jason Moore]

The two, let's say you're walking down the aisle, and at the end of the aisle, you got a Murray.

[Mike Wright]

One of them got to go DeMarco. You got to go DeMarco because you.

[Andy Holloway]

Got to go DeMarco if he's back on the Titans.

[Mike Wright]

No, no. I go demarco anywhere because Latavius Murray as Dalvin Cook's backup, what does he do better than Dalvin Cook?

[Jason Moore]

Nothing.

[Mike Wright]

Nothing.

[Jason Moore]

What does he do worse?

[Andy Holloway]

Bigger.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, bigger.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

He's better on the scale than Dalvin Cook is.

[Mike Wright]

But I was saying, like, you can't go. Okay. It's passing down situation. We got to get Latavius Murray in there. We got to get Cook off the field.

[Jason Moore]

No, he's more of those.

[Mike Wright]

Like, he will spell Dalvin Cook when.

[Jason Moore]

He can hold the water bottle when.

[Mike Wright]

He needs to have a sip of the Gatorade. But. So DeMarco Murray, you know who Latavius is?

[Jason Moore]

He's this past year's Jeremy Hill.

[Mike Wright]

Don't say that. Jeremy Hill's coming back.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I just mean depth, Charlotte. Well, we'll see. I'd have DeMarco, though. Oh, I'd rather have DeMarco. He'll be back.

[Andy Holloway]

I think. Eileen Latavius here, really, I. The more I think about DeMarco, unless he comes back to the Titans and they foolishly make him the starter again, which, while I think couldn't happen, I don't think it will, and I hope it doesn't, but it could. I mean, I think DeMarco's going to have a hard time finding a job. I really, really do. I think. That's not to say that he won't wind up on a team somewhere taking, you know, a, you know, a small paycheck and being promised things. But I feel like DeMarco is done. Latavius looked still good while they both average 1.4 after contact. When those lanes opened up and the contact wasn't there, we did see Latavius, you know.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, we're not being very respectful to Latavius Murray there.

[Mike Wright]

Latavius Murray does not create if the.

[Jason Moore]

Murray's a year younger, by the way.

[Andy Holloway]

Murray's a year younger. Thanks, Andy.

[Mike Wright]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Jason Moore]

You're welcome. You're welcome. Latavius is.

[Mike Wright]

Latavius is only one year younger than Demarco Murphy.

[Jason Moore]

28 and 29. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

What?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I want to get your take this. Josh McCown, shocking stat. Averaged 21.7 fantasy points from week six to 13, third best in the league, only behind Russell Wilson and Carson Wentz. During that stretch, Josh McCown could be back in New York as a bridge quarterback to the. Whoever they draft could end up somewhere else. My question to you is if he's back in New York or anywhere else, does he become the Brian Hoyer experiment from this past year where people were excited because Brian Hoyer did the similar things? You know, he started a few games in Chicago, put up great numbers last year, and then all of a sudden everybody wanted to believe in him as a darling and he just never came to fruition? Or do you think if McCown's back in New York, he's worth a look?

[Mike Wright]

He is on the same team, at least. Josh McCown, he's not. He Won't be changing teams.

[Jason Moore]

Well, he might be, I'd say if.

[Mike Wright]

He stays with the Jets. I thought.

[Jason Moore]

You mean if he stays with his team, he won't be changing teams.

[Mike Wright]

Brian Hoyer. Brian Hoyer was changing teams though.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

So that, that was my gotcha. My argument.

[Andy Holloway]

So you're saying you like McCown a lot more if he's back with the jets, specifically.

[Mike Wright]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

Got it.

[Mike Wright]

But what's going on with that wide receiver situation? Is Quincy Numa going to be back from his injury? Is Robbie Anderson going to be back.

[Andy Holloway]

From house arrest department?

[Mike Wright]

I mean, it's a, it's a tough situation.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll say this.

[Mike Wright]

Are they going to draft a high.

[Andy Holloway]

Level wide receiver when the schedule comes out? If, you know, if Quincy's back, if Robbie Anderson's there and they bring Josh McCown back when the schedule comes out, if they've got, you know, they open up the season with the Browns and someone else, I would have no problem taking him as my kind of streaming quarterback based on those few weeks. Yeah, and then I'll know that I'm going to pivot, as you know, when he goes out and kamikazes his helmet into 10 other men.

[Jason Moore]

Matt Ryan's best two fantasy weeks were weeks one and 17. He was only a quarterback one four times.

[Andy Holloway]

They call that a turd sandwich. In 2000, the middle of the sandwich was just 17.

[Mike Wright]

Why are you going to bring Doug Martin into this?

[Jason Moore]

He was a quarterback won four times. He was a quarterback won 12 times in 2016. So you would say that is one third as many times. And that means he returned value for 0.0% of those that drafted him last year. Matt Ryan, his fantasy reality is somewhere between those two years, wouldn't you agree?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, but I think it's closer to what we saw last year than what we saw two years ago because over the course of a very long career, we know who Matt Ryan is. He was an outlier. I felt really stupid week one of this past year because I was Mr. And Ryan and saying this is not who he is.

[Jason Moore]

Wait, what happened? I did. I turned it off after that. I never watched another game. Did it not pan out?

[Andy Holloway]

One comes and he's like, great. And I was like, oh, I told everybody he's going to stink.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, to be fair, I think it's more close to the middle. This was his worst year passing yardage and passing touchdowns since.

[Andy Holloway]

Breaking news and my ax.

[Mike Wright]

Is it official?

[Jason Moore]

Matt Patricia was officially hired as the head coach of the Detroit Lions just now, just Moments ago. And there you go. Matt Patricia is the new head.

[Andy Holloway]

Gimli's a lion.

[Jason Moore]

Gimli is a lion.

[Mike Wright]

Who else is he gonna bring in his fellowship?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, gosh, I hope Orlando Bloom's not a part of this coaching staff. We don't need him in there.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, right.

[Jason Moore]

But I'll take. I'll take Gandalf. I mean, you got to get Gandalf in the GM chair.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Gandalf. Can you imagine Gandalf with a goal line stand?

[Andy Holloway]

You shall not pass.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Andy Holloway]

No way. Not getting through that.

[Jason Moore]

So they can run on him.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no, you can't run on Gandalf. Are you kidding?

[Jason Moore]

You can't pass on him.

[Mike Wright]

You do nothing. But then he goes away halfway through.

[Jason Moore]

Matt Patricia, the official head coach, congratulations to the Lions.

[Mike Wright]

Matt Ryan had not thrown for fewer than 4,100 yards. He did it this year. He hadn't had that low of a season since 2010. So he's a 4,500 yard passer. That's what he has been for many, many years. Then Steve Sarkeesian. I was gonna say Sarkeesian's back and ruined everything. Get him out of here.

[Andy Holloway]

But he's out of there.

[Mike Wright]

But he's back.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Say your volume was sincere about that.

[Mike Wright]

Because it was a bad hire and if you saw it play out, it was terrible.

[Jason Moore]

That is the exact quote everybody has ever said about Steve Sarkeesian. Yeah. At the end of it all, they always say that was a bad hire.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't.

[Jason Moore]

Get him out of here.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know the man. But when your offense returns with almost the identical pieces, coming off a season where your quarterback threw almost 5,000 yards and 38 touchdowns, you drop him to under 4,100 yards and only 20 touchdowns. I blame him.

[Jason Moore]

Well, okay. By the way, Greg Sciano may become the next defensive coordinator of the New England Patriots. I like Greg Sciano, just so you know. So we'll see what happens.

[Mike Wright]

I don't.

[Jason Moore]

I don't have any news as to when this might happen. I'm just. I know that Bill Belichick is a monster Greg Shiano fan. He's come to his defense multiple times, and now he's saying, hey, come be.

[Mike Wright]

My defense clown, baby.

[Jason Moore]

All right?

[Mike Wright]

I don't like being so disparaging all the time.

[Jason Moore]

Greg Shiano is famous for going for it in the.

[Mike Wright]

To the very end on the kneel down, trying to cheap shot and sucker punch people.

[Jason Moore]

All right, one more. One more stat. Then I want to jump into the mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

Jamal Williams rushed for 10 or more yards on six of his 153 carries this year. That is the worst of 34 qualified running backs. The league average is just about 10% of the time. You go for 10 or more. He went for six out of 153 is 3.9% of the time.

[Andy Holloway]

In fairness, I think that when most teams were playing against the Brett Hundley led Green Bay packers, they didn't even have safeties. They just, they're like, we don't need.

[Mike Wright]

Safeties, just 10 in the box.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, 10 in the box.

[Jason Moore]

You know, it's tough, though, because he ran for 3.6 on the year. So that's not a number you're proud of or excited about. But you're right. There was a situation where, look, you're playing their strength. He was able to catch the ball. 25 receptions on the year. I think he. I think he's a guy. This is why one of the reasons I really believe that Tom Montgomery will have an opportunity in that backfield and why Aaron Jones is going to have an opportunity is because look at the recipe for the Super Bowl. You're not loyal to fantasy owners. You're loyal to winning. And winning means rotating running back, sometimes with different skill sets. Jamal Williams may very well be the goal line guy. Tom Montgomery might see, you know, split time with Aaron Jones between the 20s. I don't know how that's how I would guess it would play out.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think I'm putting my chips. If I'm putting my chips on a Green Bay running back right now, it's Aaron Jones.

[Andy Holloway]

Wow.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, there you go.

[Andy Holloway]

Who would you put your chips on, Andy? If you have to draft one draft.

[Jason Moore]

I would draft time Montgomery, because I think a healthy time Montgomery is going to see snaps whether or not Aaron Jones is out there or not. If Randall Cobb's gone, Tom Montgomery slides into the slot a little bit, even though they, you know, they've made. He's a running back. I'll put my money on on time.

[Andy Holloway]

That's where I land.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's get into the mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

By the way, I mean, I haven't even brought it up because so much was going on, but you can pre order the ultimate draft kit@ultimate draftkit.com so check it out. You can get it at the early bird price right now through the pre order season. And if you have a question for the mailbag, we love answering questions. Go ahead and send Them to us. Go to the website, the Fancy Footballers.com. click the submit a question button. You can also dial our voicemail hotline. It's called a voicemail and you can leave us one. And the number is 302-464-TFFB. We're gonna start with a voicemail question. I think it's about Nick Foles.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, you guys love the show. I was just wanting to know how you guys feel about Nick Foles winning the super bowl, possibly creating a quarterback controversy for Carson Wentz next season. Thanks, guys. Love the show.

[Jason Moore]

I had not heard that.

[Mike Wright]

Go back to the beginning.

[Jason Moore]

And that is. That's why I brought it up.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, it's no. The answer is no. Yes, we have no bananas.

[Jason Moore]

Doug Peterson has already come out and, you know, it was reported that he spoke to Carson Wentz and said, look, I expect you're going to lead us back to this next year. You're going to be the guy to lead us back to the Super Bowl. Another super bowl win, which they've got all their great players locked up. I mean, this team has an opportunity to be something special. It's the NFL, so they're probably not repeating. I mean, that's the truth. But Carson Wentz is great. And no, there's not a controversy there. Carson Wentz was the NFL MVP at the point where he went down.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there's a reason they had the number one seed. It didn't play week one and it wasn't Nick Foles. It was your young stud superstar franchise quarterback. No controversy.

[Jason Moore]

Well, let's. Let's put that to the test. This question comes in from Tyler in Phoenix. He says, is it worth trading wentz for the 103? In a rookie draft in a dynasty.

[Mike Wright]

League, you get the 103.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

I would not do that.

[Mike Wright]

I would trade Wentz immediately for the 103.

[Andy Holloway]

I would not.

[Jason Moore]

I would not do that.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, it's.

[Jason Moore]

Would you trade Aaron Rodman for the 103?

[Mike Wright]

Probably, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I wouldn't do. I wouldn't do that. And I wouldn't do wins. Not If I get 10, 12, 15 years of wins.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I've said this before. I'm a little bit down on, you know, 20, 18, wince. But long term, I think he is a true superstar. You bring up, would you trade Aaron Rodgers for the 103? I think Aaron Rodgers and Carson Wentz, when you're talking about a dynasty team, they're near each other, certainly, because you've got more years with Carson Wentz. The amount of time you get from a quarterback, you could have 10 great years.

[Jason Moore]

Mike, you have to presume with this question that you don't just have somebody else to rotate in to be a great starter.

[Mike Wright]

If it's my only quarterback, then no.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. What if you got Alex Smith on your roster?

[Mike Wright]

I probably.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, are you doing that trade? Because you're going to have to make some decision to start somebody.

[Mike Wright]

Obviously, context has to come into question here, but would you trade. Would you trade Aaron Rodgers because you brought him up for Leonard for net?

[Andy Holloway]

I would, yes.

[Jason Moore]

Probably do that.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

He was going one on one.

[Mike Wright]

Right. But you saw him going 102.

[Jason Moore]

Well, would you trade him for McCaffrey right now?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I would not trade Aaron Rodgers for McCaffrey.

[Jason Moore]

And again, it's a context thing and.

[Andy Holloway]

That'S what my 103. I mean, it's hard to say this with any kind of emphasis before the NFL draft. We don't know where the rookies are going.

[Mike Wright]

I'm breaking down these rookies. I'm already in that process. Then the running backs, yet again are extremely exciting. Now. Landing spot is huge.

[Jason Moore]

So in a vacuum, I wouldn't do it. But in context, it's viable.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

If you need to do it, it's possible.

[Mike Wright]

It's in context. Like our dynasty league, you can potentially play four running backs. You only need one quarterback. And I've been. What you're.

[Andy Holloway]

You're squinting your eyes on my eyes. I was trying to think, who has Carson Wentz in our dynasty league? Because I'm going to go try to trade for him with my one, my first round. But then it's Andy.

[Jason Moore]

So I also have Alex Smith and Nick Foles for that.

[Andy Holloway]

Whoa.

[Jason Moore]

In case that controversy happens.

[Mike Wright]

But like I've been in. I've been in the championship back to back years and yes, I've lost both times, but I have.

[Andy Holloway]

I. So you're like Brian Ketron, that loser.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, but I mean, I don't have Carson Wentz, I don't have Aaron Rodgers. I have Jameis Winston and Kirk Cousins, and I make it there because of the depth of the rest of my team.

[Jason Moore]

All right. And you've always kind of played to that philosophy and it's suited you well. So I. And that's why I kind of said, is in a. Is that trade off the table? I don't think it's off the table. That's team based. But in a vacuum, I wouldn't. You would. You would do it. All right. Travis in Massachusetts, I'm very interested in the udk, but I play in mainly dynasty leagues. Will this give me enough info on the things I need as a dynasty owner to make it worth it? Love the show. Keep it up.

[Andy Holloway]

To make it worth it. Yes. As far as to give you every tool you will probably need for a complete dynasty only rankings, probably not. So I would, but I still definitely think it's worth it. We do put out our rookie dynasty, you know, rookie draft rankings. So those will be there. But we don't specifically rank individuals for dynasty for dynasty.

[Jason Moore]

But there's a lot of format agnostic content, sleepers, breakouts, busts, values. Our rankings are going to translate to some degree.

[Andy Holloway]

Descriptions of every player, video breakdowns or whatever.

[Mike Wright]

Perception. Perception is huge. It's a research tool.

[Jason Moore]

I mean it's not a. It's not a Draft this player, draft that player. We're trying to equip you with an incredible wealth of information to make your picks.

[Mike Wright]

And then in just a reminder, the UDK launches June 1st every year, but we put out the rookie rankings early for those who have pre bought because we know that some of you are drafting right after the NFL draft and we don't want you unequipped without our rookie rankings. So those will be available if you pre buy.

[Jason Moore]

Now, I don't, I don't know where this is. Maybe you do, Jason, but this question comes in from Jacob. It says in more.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, bonjour.

[Jason Moore]

So I don't know where Moore is, but that's your last name.

[Mike Wright]

He's not like a.

[Jason Moore]

Wait a second. Is he running you with like little controls? Is he inside your body?

[Mike Wright]

I thought maybe a face hugger got you and we're gonna have an alien situation. Jacob.

[Jason Moore]

I was gonna say if that was the case, they probably wouldn't name him Jacob. Hey, Jacob. All right. Love the podcast. Started listening this year. Won my first. We are buffoons. Won my first championship this year. Thanks, guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Congratulations.

[Jason Moore]

Question is, who has won the most championships out of you three? I'm sure you have all been playing together for years, so pick the one league you've all been playing in the longest, please. Thanks, guys. Keep up the hard work.

[Andy Holloway]

In our league of records, it's two and two.

[Mike Wright]

The league of record.

[Jason Moore]

And if you, if you're adding one.

[Mike Wright]

If you're adding in the dynasty win, then Andy has the most of us.

[Andy Holloway]

And I think it's fair to add that I do too.

[Jason Moore]

So 3, 2, 1.

[Andy Holloway]

However it's you add in the lizard league, it's 3, 3, 2, and I'm tied with Andy.

[Mike Wright]

So fair point.

[Jason Moore]

All right, last question. You guys ready? Matt in California, a winner of my fantasy league this season. As winner of my fantasy league, hashtag Folklantito, I have the great pleasure of picking the loser's team name next season.

[Andy Holloway]

Ooh.

[Jason Moore]

My brother came in last place this year, which makes my decision even sweeter. He came in last place because he traded Antonio Brown against my advice. Do you have any suggestions on what his team name should be? I was thinking the Antonio Browns. I was about to say you should just name him Antonio Brown to remind him of the trade. Or should I always? Or maybe I should always listen to Matt. Could be his team name. Also in the running are the Care Bears and the My Little Ponies. What do you guys think? What is the proper. Mike, you're an expert in all things troll, as is Matt Patricia. He knows how to fight them.

[Mike Wright]

What would you say he aims for the head?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I'm trying to think of something short and sweet that would be fun to say for the entire league. And so off the top of my head, I'm going with my butt.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Because, hey, who you taking on this week? My butt.

[Jason Moore]

That's not bad.

[Mike Wright]

It's childish.

[Jason Moore]

It's childish, but that's where how you roll.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Eight tenths of what you do is potty humor.

[Mike Wright]

I am not afraid.

[Jason Moore]

It's also 4/5. It's also not as 4/5. 8/10.

[Mike Wright]

I am not afraid to go to that 6 year old humor.

[Jason Moore]

16/20 of what you say is potty. Potty humor.

[Mike Wright]

What if I lose to my butt?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, then I laugh. I still laugh.

[Andy Holloway]

You say I had chipotle.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. 30. I don't even know how to say it. 32.

[Mike Wright]

Are you still going up?

[Jason Moore]

32/40 of what you say. All right, that is it for the podcast. Follow us on Twitter @ the FF Ballers. We're on YouTube. We'll be here all off season long. And if you want an extra episode, check us [e-mail] thanks for tuning in. And check out draft.com ballers. Play some best ball with us. We're in a best ball draft right now. And fly, eagles, fly. It'll be a while to see who wins that.

[Andy Holloway]

Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the fantasy footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter @the ffballers.