Fantasy Football 2018 - Trending or Ending, Tier Drop Candidates

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary
Episode: Fantasy Football 2018 - Trending or Ending, Tier Drop Candidates
Release Date: February 15, 2018

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Hosts:
Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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Overview:
In this episode of Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast, the expert trio delves deep into the 2018 fantasy football landscape, analyzing which top-tier players are trending upwards or downwards, potential tier drop candidates, and addressing listener questions. The hosts provide astute analysis and actionable advice to help fantasy managers navigate the upcoming season with confidence.

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1. Opening Remarks and Promotions (00:00 - 04:00)

The episode begins with a brief promotion of their Ultimate Draft Kit, a comprehensive resource for fantasy football drafts. The hosts humorously engage in a discussion about centipedes, setting a light-hearted tone before diving into the main content.

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2. Tier Drop Candidates: Trending or Ending (04:00 - 24:50)

Listener Question:
The primary discussion revolves around a listener question from Fred Savage: "What top-tier player is most likely to fall out of their respective tier?"

Key Players Analyzed:

• Tom Brady:
  Andy Holloway expresses concerns about Brady’s aging and potential decline, stating,

  "Tom Brady is going old at some point in time." [05:24]
  Mike Wright humorously adds,
  "Tom Brady eats centipedes. That's how he says. Part of the TB12 diet." [05:25]

• Jordy Nelson:
  Holloway points out Nelson’s dependency on Aaron Rodgers,

  "Jordy's value is just locked up and chained up with being with Aaron Rodgers." [06:01]
  They discuss the possibility of Nelson's role diminishing if Rodgers changes, potentially leading to Nelson’s tier drop.

• Mike Evans:
  Jason Moore predicts a tier drop for Evans, noting that his draft stock might be too high,

  "I think Mike Evans is going to drop a tier as far as draft stock." [06:56]

• LaShawn McCoy:
  The conversation shifts to McCoy, with concerns about his usage in the Buffalo offense under new coaching,

  "I think Shady will start to sunset in 2018. Happens to the best of us." [07:31]

• Jarvis Landry:
  Mike Wright anticipates a decrease in Landry’s role and fantasy value should he change teams,

  "I don't see him being featured the way he was in Miami." [07:46]

• DEZ Bryant:
  The hosts analyze Bryant’s declining fantasy rankings over the years, concluding he may drop to a WR2 or WR3 position,

  "He’s not a wide receiver one anymore." [25:01]

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3. Player Performance Trends (24:50 - 36:25)

DEZ Bryant's Decline:
Jason Moore and Andy Holloway discuss Bryant’s inability to replicate his peak performance from 2014, despite his physical attributes and past successes. They debate whether Bryant can regain his WR1 status or remain a reliable mid-tier option.

Kenyon Drake:
The discussion shifts to Drake’s potential as a top-tier running back for the Miami Dolphins. Concerns are raised about his workload and competition in the Dolphins' backfield, especially with the return of Tyrod Taylor.

"Ryan Tannehill is back most, most likely for this offense. What will they look like?" [31:28]

Lamar Miller:
The hosts evaluate Miller’s performance and future with the Houston Texans. They consider whether quarterback changes and the emergence of Deontay Foster will impact Miller’s role and fantasy value.

"He washed out of the league. He's the Ryan Matthews of yesteryear." [36:35]

Drew Brees's Fantasy Decline:
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Drew Brees’s reduced fantasy output. Jason Moore controversially states,

"Drew Brees fantasy wise is dead to me." [19:29]
While Andy Holloway acknowledges the decline in touchpoints, he also highlights Brees's historical consistency and potential for rebounds if the Saints adjust their offensive strategy.
"If Drew Brees was 34 years old or 35 years old, we would look at last year as anomalous to his career." [21:36]

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4. Listener Mailbag Q&A (40:51 - 50:26)

JJ in Houston:
“Standard scoring keeper league question. Pick two: Alvin Kamara, Kareem Hunt, Antonio Brown.”

• Mike Wright: Chooses Antonio Brown,

  "Antonio Brown's a lock for me." [42:22]

• Jason Moore: Selects Kareem Hunt,

  "I'm going Kareem Hunt." [42:53]

Eva in California:
“How to adjust from standard to PPR leagues and any recommended podcast episodes.”

• The hosts advise focusing on pass-catching abilities, especially for wide receivers, and reassure that their ongoing discussions in future episodes will address these adjustments.

Brent in Bay City, Missouri:
“With Rob Gronkowski considering retirement, which free-agent tight end would you like to see join New England for fantasy purposes?”

• Jason Moore: Suggests Trey Burton,

  "I would go Josh Gordon." [27:21]

• Andy Holloway & Mike Wright: Debate potential tight end replacements humorously, ultimately leaning towards Trey Burton for his upside.

Austin:
“Devonta Freeman's trending or ending status after a disappointing season.”

• The hosts unanimously agree to “buy the dip” on Freeman, believing his performance will rebound with a healthier Dolphins offense,

  "I can’t wait to draft Devonta Freeman lower than he should go." [48:21]

Sam’s Question on David Johnson:
“Do you still value David Johnson as high as the top two picks?”

• Jason Moore: Feels Johnson no longer merits a top-two ranking,

  "He won't be in my top two in my rankings." [49:16]

• Andy Holloway: Emphasizes the importance of David Johnson for Arizona’s offense but agrees his top-tier ranking might be overstated.

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5. Sensitive Topics and Community Engagement (31:11 - 32:38)

During the show, hosts briefly address a tragic event—a high school shooting in Florida—expressing their condolences and offering prayers to those affected. This moment showcases the podcast's commitment to its community beyond fantasy football discussions.

"Thoughts and prayers for those out in Florida and those dealing with that tragedy." [32:32]

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6. Final Thoughts and Promotions (50:26 - 52:24)

The episode concludes with a reminder to listeners to engage with the Fantasy Footballers community through their website and social media. The hosts reiterate the value of their Ultimate Draft Kit and encourage listeners to stay informed and prepared for the upcoming fantasy football season.

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Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway on Tom Brady:

  "Tom Brady is going old at some point in time." [05:24]

• Jason Moore on DEZ Bryant:

  "He just doesn't look like the same guy." [25:05]

• Jason Moore on Drew Brees:

  "Drew Brees fantasy wise is dead to me." [19:29]

• Andy Holloway on Drew Brees's Future:

  "If Drew Brees was 34 years old or 35 years old, we would look at last year as anomalous to his career." [21:36]

• Jason Moore on Kenyon Drake:

  "Give me that Devonta Freeman at the discount price, please." [48:18]

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Conclusion:
This episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast offers a thorough analysis of potential tier drop candidates for the 2018 fantasy football season, evaluating players' past performances, current team dynamics, and future prospects. By addressing listener questions and providing expert insights, the hosts equip fantasy managers with the knowledge needed to make informed decisions during their drafts and throughout the season.

For more detailed analyses and resources, listeners are encouraged to visit thefantasyfootballers.com and engage with the community across various platforms.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, coming to you from Draft.com Studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Rush.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome into the show once again, the Fantasy Footballers podcast climbing through your airwaves, inching its way closer to your brain stem like a centipede. Oh, what my.

[Jason Moore]

Am I unaware of what centipedes?

[Andy Holloway]

Do they climb?

[Jason Moore]

Do they climb your ears to your brain stem?

[Andy Holloway]

And they nestle.

[Mike Wright]

I could have gone with earwig.

[Andy Holloway]

They nestle into your brain stem. My son saw a very small millipede this morning.

[Mike Wright]

Did you tell him to stay away?

[Andy Holloway]

And he lost his mind. I mean, he just started crying. We tried to. We tried to reinforce the fact that he could run, take a nap, and then get up and the thing still wouldn't be close to him. But, you know, bugs are scary, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Well, but, I mean, those. You may not realize this, but they're dangerous.

[Andy Holloway]

What? Yeah. What are you talking about?

[Mike Wright]

I'm talking about they're dangerous.

[Andy Holloway]

See, that's what I grew up thinking, but then I think I googled it and that's not true.

[Mike Wright]

Mmm.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, as far as I know, a millipede is dangerous.

[Mike Wright]

I know a centipede has a very poisonous bite, right?

[Andy Holloway]

That's not the same thing as a millipede.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well, it's.

[Mike Wright]

Look, you go scent it to Milla. You're talking. You just extrapolate out the pain, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I guess so.

[Mike Wright]

Pain per leg is very high on the millipede.

[Jason Moore]

Millipedes are not poisonous.

[Mike Wright]

But centipedes are.

[Jason Moore]

All I know is millipedes are not.

[Mike Wright]

Well, then just tell him to smash it with his foot.

[Andy Holloway]

I took care of it, Mike. Welcome to the podcast, Andy. Mike and Jason, you can find us on Twitter heffballers. Make sure you follow us over on Instagram. We're going to be posting a lot more fantasy football stats, news, information, and you can follow some behind the scenes over at. On our Instagram. What else is going on. You can check out our website, the fantasy footballers.com. you're going to start seeing more and more content pop up on the website for 2018, including we're inching our way towards the NFL draft and some of the rookie evaluations, including the reception perception content you know and love.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, it's hot.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, you know it and you love it. But this year, people, 2018, get ready to have your eyes dazzled with some of the upgrades to reception perception.

[Mike Wright]

Took him to a special Beverly Hills doctor.

[Andy Holloway]

Got a, got a little upgrade, a little shine job. It's. I'm not joking when I say the ultimate draft kit is going to be great for 2018. We put our heart and soul into this. This is our banner product of the entire year. So we're super proud of it, we're super excited to improve it and make it even better. But the price stays the same, gentlemen. The price is the same. Ultimate Draft Kit.com for now. You can pre order it right now. And let's get into this quick question. I think it's a really interesting one. It comes from macho Fred Savage. Oh yeah, you should read the whole thing, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, I gotta go back to the tab.

[Andy Holloway]

What top tier player is most likely.

[Mike Wright]

To fall out of their respective tier? Who like DeMarco did this year?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. All right, Nice Savage stamina there.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's hard to pull off. What top tier player is falling out of that tier?

[Andy Holloway]

You could say the question, DeMarco last year, he did that. He fell out of that beautiful RB1.

[Jason Moore]

Tier and he did it both. He was, you know, a double killer.

[Andy Holloway]

Here because he statistically and visually just.

[Jason Moore]

Well, going into the draft, he had fallen out of kind of, you know, top tier. He wasn't a top. He was like that next rung down and then he finished even worse than that. So I take this question two ways, as in who is a top drafted guy who might fall out of the tier they were drafted in or who's a guy that wherever they drafted in, who's in the top tier is going to disappoint.

[Andy Holloway]

To put it more simply, which millipede is going to become a centipede?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that's a great.

[Mike Wright]

I verified centipedes. They get their pipe. Their bites can be very painful.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you, Mike. The poison's gone now. It's just a painful bite.

[Mike Wright]

Well, because they have venom.

[Jason Moore]

Well, that would, that would make it worse.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to answer the question with two names. Tom Brady and Jordy Nelson.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, My.

[Andy Holloway]

You're going old at some point in time. Tom Brady is going to.

[Mike Wright]

Tom Brady eats centipedes. That's how he says.

[Andy Holloway]

Part of the TB12 diet. Look, Drew Brees did this last year as well. I mean, if you look at the numbers, Drew Brees went from being that perennial top three guy, top five guy, to, you know, barely finishing as a QB one. I think that can happen to Brady. I would put Jordy Nelson in there as a consideration as well. Jordy's value is just locked up and chained up with being with Aaron Rodgers.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And so if anything changes in that equation. Mike, you talked about the possibility of Jordy getting the ax being cut. I think it'll be Randall Cobb. But his age, his decline over the last half of the season, even though it was attributed to having no Rogers. Those are my two candidates for Teardrops.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So mine. I think Mike Evans is going to drop a tier as far as draft stock. Where he went last year and we kind of were saying is probably too high for where he's going. I think he will. You know, a lot of people are leapfrogging him this year, but the guy that I think is going to take that step backwards a la DeMarco Murray is LaShawn McCoy. I mean, I think Buffalo has a lot of change coming their way. Tyrod Taylor, we don't know if he'll be back, but if he's gone shady, another year older, a ton of work as far as volume. Now, we didn't see him lose a step this last year.

[Andy Holloway]

His career low in yards per carry.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

But Mike Clay tweeted out about this that this was the lowest percentage of runs out of the shotgun in five years for Shady McCoy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. Because McDermott 83% when he was under. Chip Kelly 17% last year because the.

[Mike Wright]

Coaching staff, including Rick Denison, who no longer works there, were clearly too arrogant to make the system fit their players. Instead, they're just trying to say, no, our system's the best. So we'll see what happens moving next year because Shady dominates out of the shotgun.

[Jason Moore]

And I don't think they're going to be moving that. Nothing we saw last year said, hey, we're going to move to the shotgun. So I think Shady will start to sunset in 2018. Happens to the best of us.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I mean, I.

[Andy Holloway]

It's.

[Mike Wright]

For me, it's Jarvis Landry. The. His touchdown rate was just. Was just too high. So as the number six overall wide receiver and half point last year, moving teams, as I expect him to do. The receptions will still be there, but I don't see him being featured the way he was in Miami.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

You're darn right.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. You guys want to talk some news?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. The Giants have hired Mike Shula as their offensive coordinator.

[Mike Wright]

Congratulations.

[Jason Moore]

Schumer and Shula sitting in the tree. I don't want to. I don't want to. You know, we're going to have the coaching episode, so I don't want to go in.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, so soon.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, very soon we're going to have the episode where we do go in depth on all these coaches. So I don't want to go too far in depth, but basically I. My take on this is meh.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, Mike Shula looked like a great offensive coordinator when Cam Newton was amazing in 2015, and then he looked like a terrible one last year and the year before. So, yeah, I'm kind of meh as well. Ian Rapaport is reporting that the Eagles have no immediate plans to hire an offensive coordinator. So you would see what Doug Peterson call plays and continue to do what he does.

[Mike Wright]

Likely. They could still add somebody, though.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, if you don't hire one, people can't hire them away from you.

[Mike Wright]

That's a fair point.

[Andy Holloway]

Tricky.

[Mike Wright]

It's worked really well for Hugh Jackson.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Very, very well.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's see. The Colts have hired Chargers wide receiver coach Nick Sirianni as offensive coordinator. So there you go. There's some news.

[Jason Moore]

Not a lot of that. That's shooting for the up and comer, hoping to get someone, you know, new hotness as opposed to a retread, which I like.

[Mike Wright]

Let's get some new blood going.

[Andy Holloway]

Do we want to hop on for a split second to the.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, we do. Because it's that time of the year.

[Andy Holloway]

The hype train, the rumor mill. Yes, we'll just share some of the random spatterings of rumors that are going on. These are hot, but from good sources. So Ian Rapoport says the belief is Emmanuel Sanders and Demarius Thomas will both stay with the Broncos.

[Jason Moore]

Because earlier switched directions very fast.

[Mike Wright]

It did. Someone pulled the old hang out the window. What do you call that when the. When the train switches?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not up on my train vocab.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to call it the cross switch. Very technical term. Because earlier, and we're talking last week, the report was, well, maybe they'll trade Sanders. They might find a way to cut somebody. They don't want to carry both of those salaries, but which I think would be a mistake. So I'm glad to see.

[Jason Moore]

Is this just one of those?

[Mike Wright]

Train has righted itself.

[Jason Moore]

Is this one of those. We're going to need the money. We'll probably cut some. Whoa. Don't tell people we're going to cut someone. We need Kirk Cousins to sign.

[Mike Wright]

That's got probably something to do. That's what it. What it is.

[Jason Moore]

A Denver Post reporter was saying that it's not. They're not gonna be able to bring.

[Andy Holloway]

In a good quarterback if they cut those guys.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what this is from. Interesting. By the way, I think about 80% of my train knowledge comes from Back to The Future Part 3.

[Jason Moore]

So very little.

[Mike Wright]

So trains can fly and go back in time.

[Andy Holloway]

Correct. The cross switch. All right. ESPN Vikings reporter Courtney Cronin thinks Minnesota could be very proactive this season and shop Laquan Treadwell. There's a name we haven't talked about. I know Brooks. You own him in a dynasty league of ours, and you would love him to be traded. Yeah. Because you know he's not as good as any of the other wide receivers they have there. Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I believe it's called a railroad switch.

[Andy Holloway]

Ah, that was right in front of you. Nothing complicated there. They were too busy in those days to give him complicated names. ESPN Bears reporter Jeff Dickerson believes that Mike Glennon won't be back.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

Shocking.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, he just, you know, we're confirming it.

[Andy Holloway]

How about this one? ESPN Broncos reporter Jeff Legwald believes the Broncos will Release or trade C.J. anderson this offseason. Mike, you should share what happened this morning with our dynasty.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

So I almost stumbled into a great situation this morning.

[Mike Wright]

I woke up to a trade offer in our dynasty league. Andy had offered me Adam Shaheen for Devonte Booker. Just trying to get some running back depth. I have Gerald Everett's Evan Angrum and some other guys. So just Shaheen, while I like him, you know, long term, I think that he could become something just. I didn't need to make that move. I'd rather have the running back depth. And then an hour later the report is, oh, well, they're going to cut CJ Anderson and we've kind of hypothesized about that. They can cut Anderson with. With no penalty to their cap.

[Jason Moore]

0 dead cap 9 million.

[Mike Wright]

So while you can hold on to Sanders And Thomas, cut C.J. anderson, save a lot of money for your cap. That's the right move. But I digress to the Anderson possibly being cut. And then they filled that in with. They want Devontae Booker to be their guy, which sounds great for my dynasty.

[Andy Holloway]

If we can get some value.

[Jason Moore]

So if you're in a dynasty league, go see if you can buy.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, if you're in a dynasty league, I.

[Jason Moore]

A cheap Booker.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, if you can get him cheap. But I was gonna say if you can sell Booker right now off of this hype train and get something that you deem better, I would probably do it. We saw, I think Booker has a potential, but we also saw when he was given the opportunity as rookie year, he just didn't hold up.

[Andy Holloway]

Devonte Booker, Kenneth Dixon, Joe Williams. How would you order those for your dynasty landscape?

[Mike Wright]

I think you ordered them. That was it. Booker, Booker, Dixon, Joe Williams. I think Dixon's a better player, but that's a lot of baggage. Hasn't played football in a year.

[Jason Moore]

There's a lot of running backs there now.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Rob Demofsky, the ESPN packers reporter, says that now might be the time for Green Bay to move Ty Montgomery back to wide receiver. Obviously Aaron Jones, Jamal Williams in the backfield.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

I've speculated my belief that Randall Cobb will be out the door. It's a perfect opportunity for Ty Montgomery to go back to the slot. So I can. I can see it.

[Jason Moore]

This is why in basketball leagues, I really like drafting Ty Montgomery because I feel like he will be involved even if punter, even if Jamal Williams is. Takes over that starting role. I think that they know Ty Montgomery is a valuable asset to the team and. And will be utilized in some fashion.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm sure we will answer more questions and talk more about this on tomorrow's jointhefoot.com episode mailbag episode where we answer listener questions. I haven't even told you what we're doing on today's show and we're starting that segment right now, but we are doing well. You know, I'M just gonna play. Let's play the drop.

[Jason Moore]

Exciting, trending or Ending?

[Andy Holloway]

All right, this is about Brooks career in the fantasy football podcast business. Is it trending or is it ending? Guys, is Brooks on the way out?

[Mike Wright]

I'm going trending because he's a handsome man.

[Andy Holloway]

The judge gets a compliment.

[Jason Moore]

You have never said something so nice about.

[Mike Wright]

I've bodied him so many times on.

[Jason Moore]

Brooks podcast on this show.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we're doing trending or ending. We're going to look at some of the things that happened in 2017 and make a case on whether we believe they'll continue, whether it's the beginning of a trend or whether it was kind of a one hit wonder type of season. Perfect example, the first one on our list, Alex Smith. Is he going to be a top 10 quarterback in 2018? Last year, 2017 was the QB4. He had never finished above QB13. He has had four seasons in the past as a quarterback, 22 or worse. But obviously a very, very impressive season showed that he could take advantage of the weapons that were given him. Travis, Kelsey, Tyree, kill. But now he has the Washington making this trending or ending all the more complicated. What do you think guys?

[Jason Moore]

I think it's, it's easy for me.

[Mike Wright]

Really.

[Jason Moore]

Oh so super easy. It's ending.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think that's the easy that feels like the easy call. But at the same time, you know all these numbers of. Well, Alex Smith has been so bad and he has two, two seasons over 3,500 yards, only one season over 4,000 yards. But those were his last two seasons.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree that it is the easy answer because I was leaning on the side and I'll give you a chance to share your thoughts, Jay, but my initial impression was oh, you know, Andy Reid not having those exact weapons. Well, Kirk Cousins put up three exactly 4,000 plus yard seasons under Jake Gruden, including a 4,900 yard season, 25 plus touchdowns in all three. I believe Alex Smith is a very competent and capable quarterback, but I do think that I'd rather have him in Kansas City overall. So top 10 maybe right on the edge.

[Jason Moore]

The thing is for me is these last two years you said are Alex Smith's best two years. And I don't think that's a coincidence that coincides with Tyreek Hill. Those are the two years he had a guy that could take a little screen slant, you know, small pass, just burn or just burn a guy and then you could throw it deep and he's, you know, wide open. How Many. I mean, we've talked about this before on this show. How many of Tyree kills touchdowns were.

[Andy Holloway]

These super long 30 plus yards?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, when, when it's that, you know, it's pretty much like all of his touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

And when he's scoring all these touchdowns from distance, it's him doing it much more so than Alex Smith doing it. Not that Alex Smith hasn't thrown a good deep ball and hit him in stride here or there. But my point is I think Tyreek Hill made the fantasy relevance of, you know, Alex Smith, of Alex.

[Andy Holloway]

That's your belief.

[Jason Moore]

So you have the other way around.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike. You haven't weighed in with an official trending or ending here.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm going, I'm with, I feel like I'm with you, Andy, that you're talking. He can still put up.

[Andy Holloway]

Just don't want to dismiss him because I think he's capable.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly. And I'm not going to dismiss the growth of Josh Docks and Jameson Crowder is still there. So Chris Thompson, there are still some weapons. And the fact that Kirk Cousins was able to get things done, it says to me that it's not an impossible thing for Alex Smith to maintain some fringe quarterback one numbers.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. We kind of brought him up earlier inadvertently, but Drew Brees, the fantasy drop off that we saw from Drew Brees, he had had 30 plus passing touchdowns the previous nine years. Obviously last year a huge difference in the amount of rushing touchdowns in the Mark Ingram, Alvin Camara explosion that we witnessed. What do you think about Drew Brees fantasy drop off? Is that, is that trending? Is that the way it's going to be from now on through the, through sunset of his career?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I do think it's a trend. I mean, Drew Brees fantasy wise is dead to me. I love Drew Brees.

[Andy Holloway]

Strong words.

[Jason Moore]

The play has been fine. I mean, you watch.

[Mike Wright]

It was not fine. It was great.

[Jason Moore]

Well, yes, when I say fine, I'm saying not bad for Drew Brees, which he's a hall of famer. Drew Brees has been, you know, he was still Drew Brees last year. But with the success of their running game and with the money that they are putting in and already committing to their offensive line and the age that Drew Brees is now, this is the direction of the end of his career. I don't see them going to 2018 and saying, hey, last year, you know, that great year we had. Let's, let's go away from our running game and get back to where Drew Brees is throwing for 5,000 yards and, you know, over 30 touchdowns. I think they would rather be this team. I think it fits what Drew Brees is doing. Could. This is what I'm saying, could Drew Brees. Is he still capable of having, you know, a top five year? 100%. But I don't think the Saints want him to do that, and I don't think they will have him do that.

[Andy Holloway]

137 fewer rush or passing attempts last year than the year before, despite. I mean, he had his best completion percentage of his career.

[Jason Moore]

Of the NFL of all time.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And he had the most completion of all careers. Yes. He had the most completions in the NFL. He set the accuracy record.

[Andy Holloway]

The only interesting 8.09 yards per completion, which was his highest since 2011.

[Mike Wright]

Here's where it's weird, is just he hasn't thrown for fewer than 30 touchdowns since 2007. And aside from last year, his touchdown percentage, which is generally five to six. So a five and a half two years ago, 5.1. Three years ago, it dipped down to 4.3. I'm not going to write Drew Brees off and say that he can't.

[Jason Moore]

That.

[Mike Wright]

That he will not finish as a top six quarterback. I think that it would be. I'm not jumping on one year of a huge output of rushing touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

If Drew Brees was 34 years old or 35 years old, we would look at last year as anomalous to his career. He's 39. That's why I think we're looking at it and saying the natural progression for a quarterback fair.

[Jason Moore]

But.

[Andy Holloway]

But to me, they're not losing Ingram or Camara. Why would you change the recipe that brought you one. Stefan Diggs play away from the NFC title game?

[Mike Wright]

I think that the recipe, though, it was the only difference in his numbers.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the yardage.

[Mike Wright]

The yardage was down. But the big difference for fantasy was touchdowns going from 32 to 37 to 23. So I'm not. I'm not writing Drew Brees off yet.

[Andy Holloway]

If we. A five and a half Drew Brees or Alex Smith.

[Mike Wright]

Drew Brees.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Absolutely.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

All right, from fresh to stale, let's talk about DEZ Bryant. Trending or ending. Is he just a fantasy wide receiver two or three for good now? His big time big boy years, they seem to be behind him.

[Jason Moore]

Seem to be.

[Andy Holloway]

2015, he was the wide receiver 81. 2016. Wide receiver 32. 2017 wide receiver 34. He hasn't been a wide receiver one since 2014.

[Jason Moore]

That was a long time ago. That's what I was going to bring up.

[Andy Holloway]

It's like you were just a kid.

[Jason Moore]

We keep, I wish, I wish I, you know, we keep waiting for DEZ to kind of get back coming into last season.

[Andy Holloway]

We like the X man.

[Jason Moore]

We like that big old body coming in last season. I will Fully admit that I was wrong on Des, because I was a believer that Des was going to come back 100%, basically, to that 2014 type of season, to his touchdown, you know, career rate. And he didn't get it done. He's just. I don't think he is. And then as the season went on, it was. It was easy to tell, okay, you know, I was wrong about dez, not just from the stat sheet, but you just watch him. He doesn't look like the same guy. Can he still get contested catches? You know, you put that ball right on red zone. You know, I'm not saying he's a bad wide receiver, but he's not a wide receiver one anymore. And I don't. I don't see it changing. Do either of you.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I don't. And I was the first last year to kind of say, I want Des to be great. But we hadn't seen it happen with Dak Prescott yet. We hadn't seen a prolonged. I mean, it matters, right? Like, these things matter. You had the Stafford and Calvin connection for many years. You had these, you know, the rapport. And we hadn't seen that from Dak Prescott over a whole season. Obviously, Prescott's willing and able to go elsewhere. I'm very curious whether Des is even in a cowboy uniform. 2018. Yeah, I think he probably is, too. But they have to have a more diverse plan in terms of pass catching options there in Dallas. That's why I thought maybe Trial Pryor, somebody else ends up there. As far as I'm concerned, DEZ Bryant probably going to go higher in any fantasy draft, and I'd want to take him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's a virtual guarantee because of his name. Maybe we'll be drafted in that, you know, that second group of.

[Mike Wright]

So what round. What round are you thinking DEZ Bryant will go in?

[Jason Moore]

I think DEZ Bryant will probably go back of the third, top of the fourth.

[Mike Wright]

So top of the fourth. That's too early for you to take DEZ Bryant.

[Jason Moore]

It might be. I mean, let's put some names out.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, let's do that. Having a little experiment. Des Bryant or Jarvis Landry next. Well, that's a terrible one because we don't know where Jarvis Landry's gonna play.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Josh Gordon or Des Bryant, who are you going to take?

[Jason Moore]

Josh Gordon.

[Andy Holloway]

I would firmly be in the Josh Gordon side.

[Mike Wright]

I would go Josh Gordon.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Stefan Diggs or DEZ Bryant?

[Jason Moore]

I would go Stefan Diggs. Assuming that they have, you know, one of their, you know, if Case Keenum comes back or something like that.

[Andy Holloway]

Demaryius Thomas, we talked about him earlier. Demarius Thomas or Des Bryant.

[Mike Wright]

That's a really good comp.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it really is. But to me, it's 100% quarterback. So if. If. If Denver goes out and gets Kirk Cousin, it'll be Demarius if they are rolling with a rookie or trying to.

[Andy Holloway]

Sammy Watkins back in LA with Jared Goff or Des Bryant.

[Mike Wright]

Des Bryant.

[Jason Moore]

And that's where we disagree.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll go Sammy and I'll give you one last one. Alan Robinson, assuming he's back in Jacksonville or DEZ Bryant.

[Jason Moore]

A Rob.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think I would go Alan Robinson.

[Andy Holloway]

Just.

[Mike Wright]

I know we haven't seen the full season of DEZ Bryant with Dak Prescott, but Dak Prescott's rookie year, DEZ Bryant missed a couple games, but his full season pace was 10 touchdowns. It was not a bad year. His. His wide receiver fantasy finish was 32 because he missed three games. So I don't think it's not out of the realm of possibility, but unless they. They start getting creative with DEZ Bryant in that offense, then it's just going to be more of the same.

[Andy Holloway]

I feel like I need to help you, Mike, because I feel like when you look at DEZ Bryant, it's kind of like you are judging your children's artwork and they hand you the paper. They hand you the paper and you're gonna find everything that you can appreciate from it. But at the end of the day, you're probably not gonna be able to sell it. That's how I feel about death. I'm just trying to wean you. I don't want you going and hanging it on the wall and trying to sell it at an art show. Because I think that would have worked in 2014. Everyone would have bought it. Well, you might need to let your kid go.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, look, those reasons that you just brought up, that was why I believed in him last year. Because I saw the year before. It was like, oh, there was a connection. But the film to me was what?

[Andy Holloway]

And ultimately it's the draft cost. I mean, that's all that matters. It's not like you're not going to draft as Bryant. We're not saying that.

[Jason Moore]

I think a big problem here, and you just mentioned it a little bit, is the play calling. I think Dallas's play calling is horrendous. I just put it out there. They. Sorry, Brooks, I know you're a Dallas fan, but you can't be happy if you're Dallas.

[Andy Holloway]

And I know you call plays for Dallas so it has to be exceptionally offensive.

[Jason Moore]

You insult someone's mother, they get upset.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, or their kids or their team. Mike's like dirt drawings are beautiful.

[Mike Wright]

To be fair, my son is an artiste.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm sure he is. Dad number four on trending or ending. I'm excited to talk about this one. I don't think we brought his name up enough for whatever reason. Maybe it's the, you know, the quarterback play. Not necessarily seeing a great future for the team. I don't know what it is, but Kenyon Drake, is he going to be a top 12 running back in 2018? Look, from weeks nine through 16 last year he was the RB7 in fantasy. You cannot argue with that production Tyree Kill. It reminds me of Tyree Kill the year before. He was on our trending or ending episode and we saw a week nine through 16 comp for Tyree Kill and he was the wide receiver 10 during that span.

[Mike Wright]

We saw a running back for that team do the exact same thing two years ago.

[Andy Holloway]

For what team?

[Jason Moore]

For the Dolphins.

[Mike Wright]

For the Dolphins.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh sure, sure.

[Mike Wright]

So when you're comping to Tyree Kill, why would you not comp to Jay Ajayi whose second half of the season was an mvp? For fantasy purposes?

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely. Now can you Drake?

[Mike Wright]

Im afraid of Kenyon Drake?

[Andy Holloway]

All right, that's that next year.

[Mike Wright]

I think he's an excellent player. He was not given this job until they traded someone away and Damian Williams got hurt. As Jason likes to say, Damian Williams stinks so bad he, it took an injury to him to move Kenny Drake off the depth chart. Now I know that those things happen. Coaches miss and then they, they fix the error of their way. Once a player produces, they go oh holy crap, Kenny Drake's pretty good running back. I think that Kenyon Drake will be overdrafted. He had, he had the back to back games where he became the starter where he had 20 plus carries but then it dropped down and I just don't, I don't want people to get the stars in their eyes for Kenyan Drake of automatically assuming that he is this going to be the primary guy? Ryan Tannehill is back most, most likely for this offense. What will they look like? Will they be any good? I just, we talked about things to remember. You need a running back on a good team. Will the Dolphins actually be any good next year and will he have the job? There's just so many questions for me on Kenyon Drake and that draft price. I mean, where do you think Kenya Drake's going to go? Because I think you will go in second round.

[Andy Holloway]

I heard at the late that'll depend on whether he's handed, handed the keys.

[Mike Wright]

Right, but we won't, I mean we won't know that. We know how Miami's off season hype train works.

[Jason Moore]

Everyone's great, everyone is the best player.

[Mike Wright]

Everyone's going to touch the ball 50 times a game.

[Andy Holloway]

Julius Thomas.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, look, I mean, you guys remember back in the 2016 draft, he was one of my favorite runnings going into the draft. I loved Kenya Drake.

[Andy Holloway]

I was very Drake man.

[Jason Moore]

I got a Drake. Yeah, I loved him and I was so sad that his rookie year he didn't get involved. And you're right to caution people the fact that he was still behind Damian Williams. However, I think he was also part of why they were able to trade Jay Ajay away. It wasn't like they traded Jay Ajayi away and went, we did that because we wanted to have terrible running backs. They did that because they thought they had a guy. It was this regime that drafted Kenyon Drake in the third round. And I think if they saw something in college that I saw to give a third round draft pick, you know, on him, then they saw the end of last year where he's great, he's fast, he produced, he breaks open, plays that other guys can't do. You know that. You know, it's like when you watch the Cardinals and they have David Johnson and then they give the ball to someone else, you go, oh, he'll never catch that corner. You see that out of Kenyan Drake. So I'm going to say that it is a trend and I think it's going to stick. I think next year. I won't call him a top 12 running back next year, but his being a quality higher end running back succeeding, I think that will continue.

[Mike Wright]

He will be drafted as a top 12 running back.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going, I think he will and I'm going to weigh in here. And I think that he is more of a complementary piece to a multi back backfield. That's how he multi back, multi back. Like New England, like Philadelphia. We're recording this show on Valentine's Day on Wednesday. And so if you at the top of the show, I'm just getting word of tragedy that's taken place in Florida, another high school shooting. So I just wanted to take a quick second since this, you know, this doesn't come out till tomorrow. Share our prayers, share our thoughts. You know, just another one of Those absolutely unspeakable things. Reports that I see are multiple fatalities in another high school. And we're all shaking our head, just heartbroken over that. So thoughts and prayers for those of you out in Florida and those dealing with that tragedy. And not the exact thing I wanted to bring up in the middle of the show, but also something I wanted to speak to now as we don't know all the details, but I didn't want it to be ignored either from a trend. Let's get back into it. Trending. Or ending. Let's talk about Lamar Miller. I think he's a very interesting case and I think that Lamar Miller, like, let's fast forward a year from now and we're sitting here reflecting on the season. I think where they're going to be reflecting on this season with, man, those of you that drafted Lamar Miller got a steal or we're going to be reflecting on, man, those of you took a chance with him. He washed out of the league. He's the Ryan Matthews of yesteryear. So he was an RB1 two years in a row. An RB2 two years in a row. Now this is his third year with the Texans. And the question that Brooks put in our doc is a good one. Will Deshaun Watson save Lamar Miller and what are the possible outcomes for him? Jason, you were shaking your head throughout that summation. What do you think?

[Mike Wright]

Nodding?

[Jason Moore]

No, I was nodding. Yeah. I was nodding in agreement that he is. I mean, Lamar Miller will be great or irrelevant next year. I don't think there's a middle of the pass situation where I don't even.

[Andy Holloway]

Know what the middle of the pass would be.

[Mike Wright]

That's usually where you go through.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I thought it was more of a.

[Jason Moore]

Pack, middle of the road.

[Andy Holloway]

No, it's middle of the pack.

[Jason Moore]

Middle of the pack.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. All right. You've never heard that?

[Jason Moore]

Sure. I've heard of the middle of the road, too. It's where I drive anyways.

[Andy Holloway]

Should have let it go, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Sorry.

[Jason Moore]

You know, if you knew, I think that the running back for Houston next year will be great with Watson. And so Lamar Miller to me is a question of the health of Deonta Foreman, because Deonta Foreman started coming on at the end of last year until he unfortunately ruptured his Achilles and was out. And, you know, if he was back, if he was healthy, I wouldn't doubt that they cut Lamar Miller just because of the cap number that they could, you know, save there and move on draft another running back. I think because of Deonta Foreman's injury, they're going to have to keep Lamar Miller and he was great with Watson in those games.

[Mike Wright]

The first part, I have the numbers, Jason, because I thought that too, because on. On film, Lamar Miller looked better.

[Jason Moore]

Give me those numbers. I'm. I'm really looking forward to.

[Mike Wright]

In the five games in Watson, how.

[Jason Moore]

Many games did Watson play? He started the second half of the first.

[Mike Wright]

This is the Watson Flame games. This is when after the. His primetime game where he saved everything with that really long run. But the game was terrible overall. And then he went human torch, said flame on and just incinerated everyone.

[Jason Moore]

What week did he get injured or.

[Mike Wright]

He played five games. His last game was the one against Seattle. But in those games, lamar Miller had 17 carries for 60 yards and three receptions for 27 yards. Now, he had two rushing touchdowns in that time. But those rushing numbers, that's 3.57 a carry. The final nine games that Lamar Miller played, he was at 3.88 yards per carry. And then you have the final three games where his. He. They just stopped using him. His snap rate went down to 38.2. And Alfred Blue, Albert Blue, who's not even under contract with the team this year. So they didn't say, well, we're going to take an eval here and see what we got for Alfred Blue moving next year. They took a guy who's not going to be on the team.

[Jason Moore]

They're saving Lamar's.

[Mike Wright]

They took a guy who will not be on the team next year.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, we're out of it. Let's go ahead and rest you for next year since you're so good, Lamar.

[Mike Wright]

So I have my Lamar Miller concerns.

[Jason Moore]

You paint some. You paint with a scary brush.

[Mike Wright]

I apologize.

[Jason Moore]

No, that's good.

[Mike Wright]

I hope that Deontay Foreman gets healthy because I'm with you.

[Jason Moore]

I love Deontay Foreman.

[Mike Wright]

If Deontay Foreman could be healthy with Deshaun Watson.

[Andy Holloway]

Very interesting.

[Mike Wright]

Very interesting.

[Andy Holloway]

Last year on the trending or ending show, I just wanted to look back a little bit. We talked about whether DeMarco Murray and the resurgence would continue. He was the RB5 in 2016. That ended. That ended. We had rookie sensations Jordan Howard, Michael Thomas, Dak Prescott. We. We saw the ups and downs of those trends, those hot hype trains.

[Mike Wright]

I do want to qualify. The numbers I gave, those were what he averaged per game. Because when I said he had 17 carries for 50 or whatever the yard.

[Jason Moore]

I assumed it was not over the course of five games.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I just want to make sure.

[Jason Moore]

Because what I remembered is, I think through the first five weeks of the season, Lamar Miller was the running back, 11 and half.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he was still all right. I mean, he had a couple touchdowns, which really helped. His fantasy value in that time just wasn't as good as we remember.

[Andy Holloway]

We talked about Cam Newton. He had declined in fantasy rank down to QB19. That trend ended. He became a relevant fantasy quarterback again. Jeremy Hill had been trending down, down, down, and he went as far down as he could go this year. Legarett Blunt, we wanted to know if his production would continue. He surprised everybody. He looked like he flamed out in Philly and then he became very relevant. We talked about Kyle Rudolph in that big season that he had had. He was the tight end, too. In 2016. I think we saw the impact of having healthier digs. Adam Thielen in there. And then Jordy Nelson was a wide. Was wide receiver one. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

In 2016.

[Andy Holloway]

And Jordy Nelson, wide range of outcomes for him.

[Mike Wright]

He was on his way. Well, Aaron Rodgers was healthy at the beginning of the year.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I think we should jump into the mailbag, answer some questions from the Foot clan. What do you think?

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag. Oh, your first fail on the mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

Drop fail.

[Jason Moore]

Bail bag.

[Andy Holloway]

He was laughing too hard.

[Jason Moore]

He had tickled himself.

[Mike Wright]

He didn't know why he was okay. It was the fact that Andy laughed at it. So I was laughing at how terrible it was that someone was laughing.

[Andy Holloway]

I feel like you were agreeing to do the mailbag while hitting the top of a roller coaster on the way down. That's why it reminded me of.

[Jason Moore]

This is why the premium way to get the the footballers is visual. You got to watch the live going on here.

[Andy Holloway]

That's true. You should subscribe on YouTube and click the little bell. And I know that because all the other YouTube people I follow tell me to click the bell. So I know it's important for you to do.

[Mike Wright]

You can ring my bell and we're moving on.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, if you have a question for the show, you can go to the website thefantasyfootballers.com youm can click the Submit a question button. It's in the menu. You can also dial our voicemail hotline. We'd love to hear from you. 302464, TFFB and let's start out with a question from JJ in Houston. Standard scoring keeper league question. He wants you to pick two. Very simple. Or is it Alvin Camara, Kareem Hunt, Antonio Brown. Pick 2. Standard scoring.

[Mike Wright]

Antonio Brown's a lock for me.

[Jason Moore]

3.

[Mike Wright]

This is the the age old question of this season. Kareem Hunt or Alvin Camara?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's the age old question from the upcoming season.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, because we've already answered this.

[Andy Holloway]

So aged and old.

[Mike Wright]

Because I've already answered 50 times.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the answer for me is Alvin Camara. You've said Kareem Hunt. So Jason, weigh in on who you'd take alongside Antonio Brown because it's a.

[Jason Moore]

Standard scoring league here for this gentleman. Jj, I'm going Kareem Hunt.

[Mike Wright]

Would it change a ppr?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, in a full point ppr, I think you're going to get enough receptions out of Alvin Camara to where he would be more valuable on the Reds. You don't have to worry about touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

I just realized something. I've been thinking about this for a while and I'm going to do it and I'm going to promise it to the peoples right now.

[Mike Wright]

This is very early for promises.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to release an article on our website in the next couple of weeks.

[Mike Wright]

Never going to happen, people coming July.

[Andy Holloway]

15Th and it's going to make my case for why I believe Alvin Camara is a top three back for next year. I'm very excited to read and I will be the first to say when we started the narrative of Alvin Camara and the numbers and the unsustainability of some of the yards per touch, all that stuff, I was the first one to say, hey, look, he's going to be overdrafted and I've really changed on it and I'm going to get into the details of why that is sweet.

[Jason Moore]

I look forward to reading that. And September 22nd, the GIF.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you just write down September 22nd.

[Jason Moore]

When you plan to check the website for Alvin Camara?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm making the case for Alvin Camara first and the gist so that you don't think I'm full of hot air right now. The gist is a compensation in workload for the efficiency numbers. I think you're going to see his workload rise, the efficiency come down a little bit just because it's hard to sustain it, but not a lot. And so that's my case. All right, question from Eva in California. I just joined a standard format league or I'm sorry, I joined one last year because it was my first year playing and I want to join a PPR one in 2018. Are there any specific podcast episodes in the past that I could watch to help figure things out? So basically she wants to know, how do you adjust half and full? And is there any specific episode? Did you have one in mind, Brooks, when you put this in here?

[Mike Wright]

No, honestly, I don't think you need an entire podcast for it, certainly, because we talk about it enough moving forward.

[Andy Holloway]

We also rank through the offseason that way.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

On the website, when we release rankings, and in the udk, we break down receptions, and you can see just who gets a bump in value. And honestly, the biggest thing to take away is that wide receivers, their value goes. Goes up, and pass catching, running backs, I mean, it really is as easy as that. So it's. Don't, don't, don't overdo it.

[Jason Moore]

And also, Eva, if I may make a recommendation here, it seems like you started out in standard, and you. You realized the foolish ways, and so you swung that pendulum, but you've gone too far. You've gone to the full ppr. You got to come right back and never go full PPR into the. The middle of the. Of the pavement. I prefer, as they say.

[Mike Wright]

Good, Brooks.

[Jason Moore]

Brooks. You prefer full ppr? Yes, sir.

[Mike Wright]

You're fired, Brooks. I believe early in this episode, I called you handsome. You are hideous.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, hideous.

[Andy Holloway]

Interesting. Yeah, I'm okay with all formats. All three of those formats.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I love all.

[Andy Holloway]

That's why we ranked for them. But we do, like the middle of the pack, or as Jason would say, the middle of the pass.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, the middle of the pathway. I just want a different thing every time.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. All right, here's a question. It was titled Gronk Gronk. It's from Brent in Bay City, Missouri. So with the news that Rob Gronkowski is considering retirement, what free agent tight end would you love to see to go to New England for fantasy purposes? Maybe a Burton, a Graham, or an Ifert. Thanks, guys.

[Mike Wright]

Any of those three?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's definitely Trey.

[Mike Wright]

Trey Boo Boo.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, Trey Boo Boo.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

That's not a thing, Andy.

[Mike Wright]

Is that a thing?

[Andy Holloway]

I think it might be Trey Burton.

[Jason Moore]

No, you got Tim Burton. You could make so many great things.

[Andy Holloway]

Why would I want to make a Tim Burton reference? What is this, 80, 88 Burton?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I'm just saying we're going to hold.

[Andy Holloway]

Off Jason sitting here wanting to go Edward Burton.

[Jason Moore]

I just. I just don't want Trey Boo Boo to be his nickname.

[Mike Wright]

All right, fine.

[Andy Holloway]

You're taking a stand. Wait a second. T. Boo Boo Judge. Judge is not. I think he was trying to sneak out of here. But I wanted an official ruling on Trey Boo Boo. But he just Left.

[Jason Moore]

That's how bad it was.

[Andy Holloway]

He done.

[Mike Wright]

Trey Boo Boo or T Boo Boo?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my gosh.

[Andy Holloway]

Pick which terrible name you want.

[Jason Moore]

Tim Teabubu.

[Andy Holloway]

Tim T Boo Boo. No. All right. Trey Burton.

[Jason Moore]

Trey Burton is 8.

[Andy Holloway]

He's got the highest long term upside.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's Graham. Good.

[Mike Wright]

Graham is washed. Graham can catch touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

Ifrt is washed, too, probably.

[Jason Moore]

Ifrt's just. Can he play?

[Mike Wright]

His body betrays him.

[Jason Moore]

You know, you replace Gronk.

[Andy Holloway]

We're not even talking about Jordan Reed, and I'm not saying as a trade in here, but we don't even talk about him right now because he is falling into that category of Eifert now where you just kind of.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man. He's not fought. He invented that category.

[Andy Holloway]

He did.

[Mike Wright]

Jordan Reed is offended that you called it iFrt's category.

[Andy Holloway]

He's like, hey, if there's one thing, I'm here first.

[Jason Moore]

My name's on the building.

[Andy Holloway]

Some archer. Michael Finley's like, hey, guys, where's my credit?

[Mike Wright]

Stay healthy.

[Andy Holloway]

Austin has a question. He says, in what direction do we go on Devontae Freeman, dare I say trending or ending? Drafted as a high RB1 this past year and let many owners down with the new offensive coordinator. You know you've got Tevin Coleman in the background. In the background and in the backfield by the dip. Inconsistent offense. You're buying the dip.

[Mike Wright]

Buy the dip.

[Jason Moore]

In the dip. 100%.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, give me that.

[Andy Holloway]

Stock tip is by the dip, but.

[Mike Wright]

Give me that Devonta Freeman at the discount price, please.

[Jason Moore]

I love it. I can't wait to draft Devonta Freeman lower than he should go.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I love D Boo Boo this year.

[Jason Moore]

D Foo Foo.

[Andy Holloway]

Brooks. Brooks. Did you. Did you leave the office due to Mike's nickname? No, it was due to Mike's earlier comment.

[Mike Wright]

There was the hideous one.

[Andy Holloway]

I needed to physically look, literally look.

[Mike Wright]

In the mirror and say, I'm a handsome man.

[Andy Holloway]

You needed to reflect.

[Jason Moore]

You're good enough. You're smart enough, doggone it, people like.

[Andy Holloway]

You as long as you play half point. All right. Sam said it's early, but do you still value David Johnson? Sorry, that's what I was.

[Mike Wright]

I thought you were.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know why I thought that just stopping my sentence would equate to you saying David Johnson. But do you still value him as high as the top two pick?

[Jason Moore]

I don't think so.

[Mike Wright]

I have to hold judgment until I see what the quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

Who would you take over?

[Mike Wright]

Him?

[Andy Holloway]

Todd Gurley and Love Bell.

[Mike Wright]

Lev Bell for sure. Yeah, probably Zeke.

[Andy Holloway]

I would take him over Zeke.

[Mike Wright]

You would?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. He's an 80 plus pass catching option.

[Mike Wright]

Hopefully.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, that's the thing is the quarterback change.

[Mike Wright]

Zeke missed six games and was a top 10 running back.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I know. David Johnson put up more points than Todd Gurley did last year, two years ago.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

But on the back of touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

So will Arizona be even be in the position for David Johnson to score that many?

[Andy Holloway]

I think he will.

[Jason Moore]

If you took David Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

I can't argue taking Lev Bell. I mean, Bill and Gurley. I understand taking over David Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

You took David Johnson at the second pick. David Johnson is good enough to justify that pick. It's not a crazy pick, but he, he won't be in my top two in my rankings.

[Mike Wright]

He had 20 touchdowns that year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

He's not getting 16 rushing touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

How many receptions did he have?

[Mike Wright]

80.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I'm not saying he's. He's safe.

[Andy Holloway]

He is. Safe for volume, safe for top five.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah. I think he's dead.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's what happened last year. Last year we worried a lot about Todd Gurley because we said, you know, the touchdown problem.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. And, and we've also talked about. Mike, you brought it up on the show earlier. We were talking about the fluctuation of touchdowns and how that makes one player feel great when another player feel bad. This is. They don't have a pass catcher outside of Larry Fitzgerald right now. They don't have another option in the backfield. And they have said they'll be aggressive with the quarterback, whether that's Keenum, whether that's Bridgewater, Bradford, Cousins, whatever that might be. I think you're right to reserve some of that judgment and ranking for the quarterback that comes into play. But this is a good defense and if they're going to win this year, it's going to be on the back of David Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

I agree.

[Andy Holloway]

It's just a matter of. You're saying, will they be able to.

[Mike Wright]

Win 16 rushing touchdowns? That's, that's a lot.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a lot. All right. Hey, a reminder. Head over to the fantasy footballers.com if you want to check out recent articles the Ultimate Draft Kit. Learn more about our community. We're always trying to make things better. If you don't know us, if you're brand new this off season, check out the show.

[Mike Wright]

Welcome in.

[Jason Moore]

Nice to meet you.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, we're happy you're here. We're happy you've joined us. I won't hit the Valentine's Day song. We're past that time. But look, we're a year round fantasy football podcast. We try to bring you the most accurate, informative, entertaining news, notes, information and strategy for your fantasy football league. Not only as a player but as a commissioner, as somebody that's organizing leagues, playing in leagues, trying to make things more enjoyable, more fun. And that's what we do. That's what we've been doing over the last three years and we appreciate you stopping by, subscribing, listening, reviewing all of those things. Make sure you check out draft.comballers as we close out if you want to get into some best ball. It's a really fun thing to do in the off season. It also keeps you apprised of where players are the best. Goodbye. We'll talk to you next week.

[Jason Moore]

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