Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Draft Day! Questions and Answers, Dynasty Leagues, Keeper Leagues

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary Episode: Draft Day! Questions and Answers, Dynasty Leagues, Keeper Leagues
Release Date: April 30, 2015

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1. Excitement for Draft Day

The Fantasy Footballers hosts—Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright—kick off the episode with palpable excitement for NFL Draft Day. The trio engages in light-hearted banter about the Kevin Costner movie Draft Day, setting a lively tone for the discussion ahead.

Jason Moore [00:38]: "Who's excited? Oh, my goodness."

Mike Wright [00:52]: "Well, it could be every day if you watch the Kevin Costner movie."

2. Bold Draft Predictions

Early in the episode, the hosts delve into their bold predictions for the draft, discussing key players who might make or break their fantasy strategies.

• Marcus Mariota's Draft Position: There’s a heated debate about whether Mariota will remain a first-round pick or potentially drop out of the top ten.

  Andy Holloway [07:07]: "I think it's possible [Marcus Mariota dropping out of top ten]."

  Jason Moore [07:07]: "Because Mike said that running backs wouldn't go in the first round."

• Todd Gurley's Team Destination: The hosts humorously speculate on where Todd Gurley will land, tossing around options like the Miami Dolphins, Atlanta Falcons, and Tennessee Titans.

  Jason Moore [02:00]: "Oh, you're crazy."

  Andy Holloway [02:08]: "New Orleans Saints."

3. Listener Mailbag: Keeper vs. Dynasty Leagues

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to answering listener questions about managing keeper and dynasty leagues. The hosts share their preferences and strategies, emphasizing the differences between these formats and traditional redraft leagues.

• Preference for Keeper Leagues: Andy expresses a slight preference for keeper leagues over dynasty, appreciating the balance they offer between long-term commitment and annual competitiveness.

  Andy Holloway [20:02]: "I prefer keeper over dynasty, but I definitely prefer one year mattering for the next over redraft leagues."

• Quarterback Importance in Dynasty: The discussion highlights the critical role of quarterbacks in dynasty leagues, debating whether to prioritize younger talents like Andrew Luck over proven veterans like Aaron Rodgers.

  Mike Wright [22:04]: "I'm going to go Luck. He's still getting better and he has far more time left than Rodgers."

4. Scoring Systems: PPR vs. Standard

The hosts dive into the debate between Points Per Reception (PPR) and standard scoring systems, advocating for a balanced approach.

• Half-Point PPR as the Preferred System: Both Andy and Jason agree that a half-point PPR system strikes the perfect balance, enhancing the value of receivers without overly penalizing or rewarding certain positions.

  Mike Wright [32:34]: "Half point PPR is the ultimate scoring system to me. I think PPR far overvalues receivers... Half point is the perfect medium because it's right in the middle."

  Andy Holloway [34:56]: "Half point PPR is king. Yeah. Yeah, it wins."

5. Evaluating Trades and Player Decisions

The episode features multiple scenarios where the hosts assess potential trades and decisions regarding player retention and acquisition.

• Trading for Elite Players: A listener proposes trading multiple draft picks to secure top-tier players like Christian Bell and Odell Beckham Jr. The hosts weigh the risks and rewards, generally advising caution due to the steep cost involved.

  Mike Wright [15:22]: "I think at most I would do maybe one. I would, I would make the move for Hill so I can have Bell and Hill."

• Kelvin Benjamin Trade Proposal: A bold trade proposal suggests swapping Kelvin Benjamin for players like Kobe Fleener and Niles Paul. The consensus is negative, with the hosts emphasizing the lack of long-term value in Benjamin.

  Andy Holloway [18:06]: "Please do not mistake Kobe Fleener’s love for saying that’s a roster spot you need and you should go after him."

6. Specific Player Analysis

Focused discussions on individual players provide listeners with nuanced insights for their drafts.

• Matt Forte's Future: Debates emerge around Matt Forte's performance and longevity, with Andy expressing skepticism about his continued elite performance.

  Andy Holloway [46:50]: "Matt Forte started his career as an injury-prone guy, you know, got hobbled."

• Jeremy Hill vs. Alvin Kamara: The hosts discuss the merits of drafting Jeremy Hill in the later stages, generally favoring his immediate impact over potential long-term benefits.

  Mike Wright [38:23]: "Absolutely. I take Jeremy Hill and then I take an elite wide receiver."

7. Final Preparations and Upcoming Episodes

As Draft Day approaches, the hosts share their personal preparations and tease upcoming episodes, including a draft review and a special guest appearance by Adam Mazer from CBS.

Jason Moore [52:43]: "So check us out next week. Enjoy. Enjoy the draft tonight."

Andy Holloway [53:29]: "Thank you for listening to another edition of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast."

Notable Quotes and Takeaways

• On the importance of player value and draft strategy:

  Andy Holloway [17:27]: "I would go with AJ, ODB, and Lynch. And my reason for that is because your third player here is basically your weakest link in the chain."

• On adapting to scoring systems:

  Jason Moore [34:21]: "Standard scoring is old. Busted."

• On dynasty league forecasting:

  Mike Wright [31:24]: "But this is the game you have to play. When you're in a dynasty, you have to forecast and make your best educated guess at who will become elite talent."

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Conclusion

This episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast provides a comprehensive guide to navigating Draft Day, offering expert advice on league formats, scoring systems, and player evaluations. Whether you're managing a dynasty league or preparing for a standard redraft, the insights shared by Andy, Jason, and Mike equip you with the strategies needed to build a competitive fantasy team. Stay tuned for their draft review in the upcoming episodes and continue leveraging their expertise to dominate your fantasy league.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Foreign to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Draft. Ha.

[Jason Moore]

Who's excited? Oh, my goodness.

[Andy Holloway]

The ballers are.

[Jason Moore]

It is Thursday. That's a little something new for us because you only have draft day once a year, baby.

[Mike Wright]

Draft Day.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, three days a year.

[Mike Wright]

Well, it could be every day if you watch the Kevin Costner movie.

[Jason Moore]

Did you watch that movie? Did we go to that movie together?

[Mike Wright]

No, I saw it with. With my wife, and I regrettably saw that movie after. After I left. That's too long.

[Andy Holloway]

I enjoyed the movie, even for all of its ridiculous trades. I just enjoyed watching a, you know, a major movie about the NFL. That's it.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. I am Kevin Costner. Andy Holloway joined by Jason Moore, Mike the fantasy Hitman. Right. Quick question. Jameis Winston is a franchise quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, I was going to say NFL quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

I was going to step below for Tampa Bay Buccaneer. I was kind of going for what team he's going to be on. Oh, Marcus Mariota is a.

[Mike Wright]

Titan.

[Andy Holloway]

I said Marcus Mariota is a. Yeah, come on.

[Mike Wright]

Top 10 men.

[Andy Holloway]

New Orleans Saint.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to say Tennessee Titan. Todd Gurley is a. Oh, I don't.

[Mike Wright]

I got to think about a second round team that will take him second round.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, you're crazy.

[Mike Wright]

Come back to me.

[Jason Moore]

All right. I say Todd Gurley is a Miami Dolphin.

[Andy Holloway]

I say Todd Gurley is an Atlanta Falcon.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, hold on, hold on. Oh, I don't. I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

I. Wow.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know. The second round order. The first round came up. I will go with. He is a Jaguar.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

In the second round.

[Jason Moore]

All right, big day today, boys. NFL draft time is here, and I'm excited. We got some news and notes on today's show, and then we've got a big old mailbag to sift through. Answer a bunch of listener questions. We are the answer. We are Allen Iverson practice, man. I just watched another one of his old interviews and he kind of liked himself. I was a little bit.

[Mike Wright]

I would like myself, too, if I was Allen Iverson. Yeah. Except for the. The wasting all my money part.

[Jason Moore]

So lots of good content for today's show. Last Thursday, we brought you a bunch of the rookie kind of preview information. We'll touch some of that today. Answer a bunch of fantasy football questions. The time is coming. It is coming soon. The NFL season will be here before you know it. It'll be drafting. And if you stay tuned to the fantasy footballers, hopefully we can help you out with that draft, if you want to follow us on Twitter, you can do so heffballers. You can follow JasonFFL, follow Mike FFhitman and you can follow me at Andy Holloway. You visit us on the web at the fantasy footballers.com we're going to be putting more and more content up there as well. Our rankings, we will get them up there.

[Mike Wright]

The video of this show.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You can now watch subscribe on YouTube as well. These shows are going out every. Every time we podcast. A few hours later, when we figure out what we're doing, we put the show up live. If you want to email us mail at the fantasy footballers.com you can go ahead and send us your question. We love answering questions on the show. And go into itunes, click that subscribe button. We like it, we appreciate it, we give us. We actually feel it. Every time you push that button, we get a little buzz.

[Andy Holloway]

When those five stars come in this, those five stars go right to my heart.

[Mike Wright]

I have a. Well, I have a pacemaker connected to Bluetooth on my phone with reviews. Just buzz my heart.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So you keep your mic alive.

[Mike Wright]

That's true. That's true.

[Jason Moore]

With all those three by three, like one or two five star reviews a day, you. You cease to exist.

[Andy Holloway]

Mm.

[Mike Wright]

At least a part of me does.

[Jason Moore]

We should tie like reviews in directly with your hairstyles. Like certain amount per day. That's how you have to. Speaking of five star reviews, let's read one of them.

[Andy Holloway]

Review a source. Rex. This one comes in from Jonathan Trent. Jonathan Trent says, hey, dudes. Because we are the dudes. You realize we're all giving you five stars just so we could get our reviews read, right?

[Jason Moore]

I hope not.

[Andy Holloway]

I really hope not. But we're willing to read this one. There were far better ones, but we're honest and humble here says. Well, maybe not all of us. Here's to the only podcast that's giving us Fantasy Freaks, our bi weekly dose of heaven. Thank you for all the knowledge, the tactics, the info and the humor. Well, Jonathan Trent, you're welcome. And we love you.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah, we just asked for reviews. If you. If you think we're more of a four star show, you can put that in there. I mean, we would disagree, but.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. What was your.

[Jason Moore]

Did you have a question right before I played that?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I was just gonna say. So after the draft is over, is that the official start for you guys of actual fantasy draft season or does that still wait?

[Jason Moore]

I think, I think it's the start because you can start actually projecting on, you know, we have these situations now. We talked about it last week that Devonte Freeman's or the Jericho McKinnon's or the Lamar Millers, these guys that could be impacted by the draft. I mean, I believe draft season started right when the Seattle Seahawks decided not to hand the ball to march on lynch at the end of that game.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

But yeah, I agree. It'll be nice. It'll be nice to be able to talk about some of these things with little bit more conviction.

[Mike Wright]

And there's the second round of free agency that happens.

[Jason Moore]

All of our water bets will be more relevant then. So let's look at a few of the news and notes.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league.

[Jason Moore]

You want to know why I had hesitation? Because I almost said let's look at some of the news and notes from around the league would have been very redundant.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, now you. Redundant.

[Jason Moore]

Draft.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, wait, what?

[Jason Moore]

The draft. Draft is tonight. Oh, we've made our bold predictions. Are you guys standing by yours?

[Andy Holloway]

I fully stand by my.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I said it. I have to stand by it.

[Jason Moore]

So you think maybe Mariota. Jason thinks that Mariota might drop out of the first round.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, no, no, no. Whoa.

[Andy Holloway]

Out of the top ten.

[Mike Wright]

Whoa.

[Jason Moore]

First round.

[Andy Holloway]

I think it's possible.

[Jason Moore]

That's right. Because Mike said that running backs wouldn't go in the first round.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, possibility. Now that. Now remember, these are bold.

[Jason Moore]

I know. Predictions as in I'm excited to see what kind of trades go down tonight.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, that's the best part. The number two pick.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, the ticker comes across and trade pops up. And you want to know what happened.

[Andy Holloway]

When Tennessee hits the board? That's when the draft starts.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that first. The first 15 minutes is just going to be excruciating because you know the Bucks are going to let that clock go all the way to zero.

[Jason Moore]

Well, to see if they get some kind of offer that makes them, you know, it's just.

[Mike Wright]

There's the worst.

[Jason Moore]

Go crazy. But because they said. What did their GM come out and say? A lot of interest for that first pick now.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well, of course there is.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I don't know if I.

[Mike Wright]

A lot of interest.

[Jason Moore]

You get a haul though.

[Mike Wright]

Means like his son came and said, hey, I. I bet you could trade that pick.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Brian Quick. This is news. Brian Quick could be used.

[Mike Wright]

Brian Quick was a waiver wire sensation.

[Jason Moore]

Could be ready for OTAs. Well, that's good for him.

[Mike Wright]

You guys are. You got to pay attention.

[Jason Moore]

So what is Brian Quick gonna be this Year. I don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

Wide receiver Mike, what say you?

[Mike Wright]

I got it.

[Jason Moore]

Well, you put this news in here.

[Mike Wright]

Just. Is Nick Foles actually the quarterback of the Rams? I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, I gotta.

[Mike Wright]

I gotta see all that stuff. But Brian Quick, apparently you guys have the short term memory loss. That. Brian Quick was a beast for a few games.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he had a good. A good run. I just. I don't know what will be this year. He's a good player.

[Mike Wright]

Just.

[Jason Moore]

See, it just depends on. Yeah. Who their quarterback is. Browns. Browns left tackle Joe Thomas said Johnny Manziel is committed now. Night and day difference from last year. Does it matter?

[Mike Wright]

It matters to me because it's coming from Joe Thomas. I feel like Joe Thomas is a kind of a leader of that team. And if he's. If he's saying it, I don't. Maybe he's just trying to pump up Manzel.

[Jason Moore]

I completely disagree with you. I think he's a leader. And because he's a leader, he's going to support anybody that is on that roster no matter what happens.

[Mike Wright]

They did not support him last year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the team turned on him.

[Mike Wright]

They all crapped all over him. And if he's. If he's really turning his life around, if the Browns give up every single pick they have for Mariota, it doesn't matter. But yeah, just it's worth noting, I.

[Andy Holloway]

Think that all the news that the Browns are going to give up every single pick to get Mariota is to get Johnny Menzel doing what he's doing. And he's doing it. I mean, nothing like motivated, you know, Johnny Manziel has, like Montel Williams.

[Mike Wright]

He's doing it. Doing it. Well, I messed up the reference. No, that was LL Cool J.

[Andy Holloway]

You got LL Cool J and Monty.

[Mike Wright]

I was trying to think, who's the guy who. This is how we do it.

[Andy Holloway]

This is how we do it. Oh, that's Jason Moore. But my point is, Manzel's always had everything kind of given to him. Hasn't had. Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Isn't it?

[Mike Wright]

Well, Williams is that. He's the talk show host.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Jordan is the one that's saying. Right.

[Mike Wright]

All right, well, at least, whatever.

[Jason Moore]

This is why we're striper fans.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I apologize. Anyways, I just think a little fire under Johnny Manziel might actually get him to have a work ethic. And with a work ethic, maybe he could be an actual NFL quarterback. I still don't think he will be.

[Mike Wright]

You like quarterbacks who run. That's why you like Mariota Yeah, I just.

[Jason Moore]

I. I don't believe in Manziel, but I guess Joe Thomas does now. Texans agreed to terms with the poor guy. I felt so bad for him. Running back Chris Polk of the Eagles, formerly. Formerly of the Eagles to a one year contract. It's a good landing spot to be kind of that.

[Mike Wright]

Does he become the handcuff?

[Jason Moore]

No, no, not to me.

[Mike Wright]

It's Alfred Blues.

[Jason Moore]

Alfred Blues, the handcuff. But Polk is just another guy to have on that roster who was, you know, discarded because his. What did they pick up his. They picked up his option, but then they.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, no.

[Jason Moore]

They named it.

[Mike Wright]

They tendered him and then they took it away.

[Jason Moore]

That's what it was when they made the commitment to Ryan Matthews and then.

[Andy Holloway]

Got DeMarco and Frank Gore when they went after every other running back. Yeah, Chris Poke. But I actually really like this news for your boy, for Arian Foster, because.

[Jason Moore]

I was thinking, no one's taking his carries.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. My point is, I really thought that they were going to be going after a replacement this year.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, in the. Foster in the draft. Yeah, you did. You mentioned that.

[Andy Holloway]

And I don't see that. I think if you're Houston now and you've got Alpha Blue and you sign Chris Polk, maybe you steer away from running backs in this draft. Which means I like Aaron Foster. You know, I expected him to have that guy in the waiting. It's not going to be Chris Polk, and that might keep the guy in the waiting off for another year. So I like it.

[Jason Moore]

That's a pretty good point. I like Arian Foster. He's just got to stay healthy, man. He's got to prove me right.

[Mike Wright]

He's got to get some of those Chip Kelly power smoothies.

[Jason Moore]

Speaking of Arian Foster, or speaking of Draft Day, he was in that.

[Mike Wright]

He was.

[Jason Moore]

He was one of those up and coming college recruits in the movie Draft Day.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, really?

[Jason Moore]

Critically acclaimed movie.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't remember the movie. Did you watch the movie?

[Jason Moore]

Yes, I did, but he doesn't know who Arian Foster is.

[Andy Holloway]

Who's Arian?

[Jason Moore]

Jodie Foster's brother.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah. No, I knew that.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's move it.

[Jason Moore]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Really?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You mean Montel P. No, I'm confident in this reference.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me say.

[Mike Wright]

There we go.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Thank.

[Jason Moore]

We needed your best. We needed your best today because this is a mailbag show.

[Mike Wright]

We're answering questions turned into the mailbaggy.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I liked it.

[Mike Wright]

Packing too many kids lunches.

[Jason Moore]

I loved it. I loved it. No, I'm all about it. Packing too many kids lunches. When does the pre draft party begin?

[Mike Wright]

It already did, my man.

[Jason Moore]

It's right here.

[Mike Wright]

I did three somersaults. I got out of my bed. I warmed up with about two push ups, maxed out my reps. Yeah, I.

[Andy Holloway]

Really hope he threw it in a.

[Jason Moore]

Man bun and got over here.

[Andy Holloway]

I really hope that's. He gets up, he starts his push ups and he's 1, 2. All right, got my workout.

[Jason Moore]

Get to the studio, man. Is it draft at four our time? Three, five our time.

[Mike Wright]

It was very confusing.

[Jason Moore]

I'll get there at one to be safe.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you. You don't want to miss anything.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's. Let's answer some questions. This one comes in on off of Twitter Milhelk. Mlhelk.

[Mike Wright]

It could be Emil.

[Andy Holloway]

Emil.

[Jason Moore]

Emil. Oh, my bad.

[Mike Wright]

It's from Denmark.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Emil Helk.

[Jason Moore]

Big love from Denmark.

[Mike Wright]

Ho ho.

[Jason Moore]

That's sweet. Because we have. We had a Scottish mailbag question. I'm gonna work on that.

[Andy Holloway]

I need an accent here, Andy, as you read this.

[Mike Wright]

Freedom.

[Jason Moore]

No, I don't know Denmark. What do they speak in Denmark?

[Mike Wright]

Deutsch.

[Jason Moore]

Apologies to you, Emil Holt.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we are. We are American.

[Jason Moore]

Let's answer the question instead of there we go. In a 12 team keeper league they can keep three players and Bell is his first keeper. So trade his fifth and seventh pick for Hill and ODB then.

[Mike Wright]

So he trades. So he has to trade a 5 and a 7 to acquire them and then he would have to burn his second and third to keep them.

[Jason Moore]

I see.

[Mike Wright]

So essentially a two and a five for Hill and a three to seven for odb.

[Jason Moore]

That's a lot of picks, a two and a five. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

So basically he would end up, if he does this deal, he would end up with great keepers in Bell, Hill and ODB. But then he would have a 4.

[Mike Wright]

6, 8 through rest of draft.

[Andy Holloway]

4, 6. Ooh.

[Jason Moore]

I probably do it.

[Mike Wright]

Really?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I probably do it. I think Jeremy Hill and Odell Beckham are just top tier guys. They're both top tier guys.

[Mike Wright]

I think at most I would do maybe one. I would, I would make the move for Hill so I can have Bell and Hill. But I mean that's a really steep price. And if, if your trading forms are they the other person who's keeping them is not keeping them or they're the, the team who has them right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Might not be able to keep them.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't, I don't know, man. That's a lot to give up. Because the draft is your shotgun approach. You want as many, many tickets as you can possibly get, even though those are good tickets to have.

[Jason Moore]

What's your thought, Jason?

[Andy Holloway]

I think that if Hill goes back in the draft, you might be able to get him there, you know, with.

[Jason Moore]

Anyway.

[Andy Holloway]

Your second.

[Mike Wright]

Anyway, let's assume that he can.

[Jason Moore]

But you don't get ODB with your third though.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, no third.

[Mike Wright]

It's a third and a seventh.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's a third and a seventh and a second and a fifth. You know, I think that championships are one with elite stars and I think if you can get these guys, you know, it would be a lot of fun and you'd have a good team. You can take shots at the. I mean, obviously you're going to still have the same amount of picks and fill in your roster. So you still have the same amount of flyers you can take late. And when you've got a core, that's really nice.

[Jason Moore]

Well, not to mention if these guys are being kept, other guys are being kept. Yeah, not like the board is filled up.

[Andy Holloway]

I keep them. I take it. All right. It's super close and, and I wouldn't enjoy my draft as Much. But I would love to have those three.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's move on. At DJ Touch up asks this trade question, or I guess it's a keeper question. Give up A.J. green for Morris. Jordan Matthews in the one four.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. The fourth pick in the first round.

[Jason Moore]

And he already has the second and third in the first round.

[Mike Wright]

Correct. This is a dynasty question. Yeah, I would do it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think so.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Not me.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. The dynasty thing obviously makes a huge impact. You're not talking about a redraft draft pool here, but I think.

[Andy Holloway]

I think, yeah, I would trade AJ Green for Jordan Matthews and Alfred Morris.

[Jason Moore]

Outside of the pick straight up.

[Andy Holloway]

You're also adding in.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, four. You're going to get one of those top wide receivers or running backs in the draft that have a good future.

[Andy Holloway]

White. Yeah, I would do it early. Somebody there.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, do that. Hmm.

[Andy Holloway]

Easy peasy. That was a good deal for you, too.

[Jason Moore]

Here's everybody's favorite Kelvin Benjamin related question here. J2024. Kevin Benjamin for Kevin. Kelvin Benjamin for 202. Kobe Fleener and Niles Paul.

[Mike Wright]

Oof.

[Andy Holloway]

That's gross.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I'm not a Kelvin Benjamin guy, but I still can't do that. What about you, Mr. The Ultimate Fleener?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, and I'm glad you brought that up because I want to make sure people understand this. I really like Kobe Fleener this year. I think he's going to be a good tight end that you can get super late. But please do not mistake Kobe Fleenerlove for saying that that's a roster spot you need and you should go after him. It's about value. And all the tight ends are pretty much the same once you get past those first guys. So unless you play in a three tight end league, which you don't, as you gave us your. Your roster lineup, this would be a terrible, terrible move. And I'm down on Kelvin Benjamin, too. But you're not going to need Kobe Fleener, Niles Paul and the 202. Those are all waiver wire week in, week out, people that you're going to be grabbing.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. I think we all agree on that one.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I'm going to keep Benjamin even if.

[Jason Moore]

You don't like Benjamin.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

All right, this one is an email question that comes in from Mikey B. Guys, first off, love the show. Bravo. I am starting multiple new dynasties this year. I'm just tired of redraft. No real commitment, which I totally agree. We are. Our favorite league is our. We call it. It's a keeper league. It's a three keeper league, but yeah, having some implications for the next year, that's crucial and it makes it super fun. So question one says basically that I want to know your thoughts on which you prefer and why.

[Andy Holloway]

I prefer keeper over dynasty, but I definitely prefer one year mattering for the next over redraft leagues. If you're in a league with the same guys year after year after year, convert to a keeper league because you know, with the same core guys you want, you know, to be able to make moves that matter for the future. You want to be able to look, you know, if you're, if your team isn't doing good this year, you can, you, you can still play for something, you know already in your trades and things like that. So I would do that. But I, I think keeper leagues are the right amount of casual and crazy. Dynasty leagues you gotta, I mean that's.

[Jason Moore]

Dynasty are fine, but you lose really the draft fun of every year because even though you know in a keeper you got some guys off the board like our league, which I love the way our league does it because we let some of the good guys drop back in there but you leave enough guys to where draft preparation is really fun. But yeah, dynasty, you just miss that part of it. So I prefer keeper but I like your thought here to go and get some commitment out of those guys. He also asks what are the importance of quarterbacks in dynasty and keeper leagues and then he wants to know, do we believe Andrew Luck is the number one overall in a dynasty? In a dynasty. I would, I was, I don't know what the answer to that question is for sure because Aaron Rodgers is 31.

[Mike Wright]

To me, the, if we're talking 12 team, the quarterback, I'm still not keeping a quarterback. I mean, I suppose it depends on the size of the roster because if you have a short bench compared to a long bench, it changes things because people start holding on to multiple quarterbacks if you have a huge bench. But even in a keeper league, I'm still, I'm still going through quarterbacks. I think I played 8 QBs this year, you know, worked out really well. And in a dynasty I'm not taking Luck. Even though a quarterback like Luck, he's going to be around for a while. I'm still going to go with a high end wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

Well, but if you, if you had to decide on a quarterback though, I'm saying, let's say you don't. Okay, you don't want to do the work of streaming QBs for the next 10 years. Of Dynasty and you want to get the guy that gives you the best odds at being that guy. Would you go Luck because he's, you know, in his 20s or would you go Aaron Rodgers because he's better? Probably, I probably go Luck.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to go Luck. He's still getting better and he has far more time left than Rogers.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And there's a huge difference between keeper and dynasty. Keeper, I think has pretty much near the same rules that you're going to as far as the value of players in a draft and things like that as a redraft. Obviously you want younger over older a little bit. But, but in a dynasty it's, it's very skewed. You don't have these guys being drafted year after year. So Andrew Luck in that and a quarterback specifically is extremely important. If you can get one of those top decade long guys and have that be done for 10 years. That's why wide receivers are so important in dynasty leagues is because the longevity of a wide receiver versus the longevity of a running back for a dynasty league is just more value. You get more years out of them.

[Jason Moore]

One of the. That brings up a good point because this is something that we see a lot of. Just because you're in a keeper or a dynasty league doesn't mean that you need to, I mean, play to win. That's, that's my mentality when I play fantasy football. Play to win every single year. Yes, you might, I mean in some of these dynasty leagues you might not have a roster that has that capability and you're rebuilding. But I play to win every year. And what you see is other people trying to bail. Last year, Marshawn lynch, everyone wanted to bail on Marshawn Lynch. Mike, in our league, you traded for him.

[Mike Wright]

I did.

[Jason Moore]

He's. It's a keeper league. Maybe he doesn't have the best long term keeper value compared to a guy like Jeremy Hill or somebody else. But he won your league because you put him on the roster and he's still playing well. Arian Foster's another guy. If you're in a keeper or a dynasty league, maybe Arian Foster. The shine is off of Arian Foster.

[Mike Wright]

Well, Foster has.

[Andy Holloway]

Dynasty is still a little different. But if you're in a keeper league, I completely agree with you. I mean, obviously you want to win your league. You know, in any year that he's playing, Aaron Foster is going to help you. But if you're in this situation, sounds like he's joining a new dynasty league with everybody drafting all over Correct.

[Jason Moore]

And why I was talking broad philosophically, not just this league, but gotcha there at a Don Davenport wants to know third first pick in the third round for Kadeem Carey.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yes, yes, absolutely.

[Jason Moore]

Why are you guys so high on.

[Mike Wright]

Kadim carry it well if the situation of the Bears, if they don't bring in another running back, I don't think Forte is long for this world of football. I don't think he has very much time left.

[Jason Moore]

That's so bold.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I caught, I caught quite a bit of flack on Reddit when I basically, you know, said Forte's my bust prediction. But the more that I look into it, the more that I kind of agree with that. Not, not that he's going to be bust and finish, you know, out of the top 20 or anything like that, but he's no longer a top guy. His mileage is huge. And so I think when you're in a redraft league, your third round pick, you're hoping for a guy that lands in a position maybe as good as Kadeem Carey. You know, Kadeem Carey is talented. Is behind a guy who, he doesn't have two more years left. I don't think his mileage and so yeah, I like Kadeem Carey.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I do too.

[Jason Moore]

And I situation, I completely disagree with both of you. So I think, I think we just talked about the march on lynch situation. Now you're going to bail on Matt Forte to that degree. None of us are high on Forte compared to the rest of the league.

[Mike Wright]

Lynch has not shown any signs of decline. That was just a, an assumption of carries. Where Forte last year he declined and.

[Jason Moore]

His, he declined in yards per carry last year. Right, I get that. And his numbers were inflated by his receptions, but he didn't decline as a player. To me I think you're talking system inflated his numbers and that's why we're not as high on him. But Matt Forte is one of the tried and true every year, every down multifaceted guys and I don't see sign of decline on him. I just see system change. But, and I, and I, I haven't seen anything from Kadeem Kerry that I like so will agree to disagree on that one. Indelcalo Coyo man, these, these Twitter handles are much harder to say than the emails that come in. I'll just start making at email from Todd, Julio Lacy, Steve Smith for AJ Green ODB and Lynch. Which side wins? Jason, I like this question.

[Andy Holloway]

I think it's a good, you know, you, you, you take a look at Each side, and there's reasons to pick both, but I would go with AJ ODB and Lynch. And my reason for that is because your third player here is basically your weakest link in the chain, is stronger in that group. So essentially you're saying, who would you rather have, lynch or Steve Smith? Or I guess to be probably more fair, you'd say A.J. green or Steve Smith. And that gap is really wide between those guys because you got Eddie Lacy versus Lynch. You'd probably like Lacy a little bit more, but the gap isn't huge. You got Julio and odb. I like Julio more, but the gap isn't huge. And then you got Steve Smith or A.J. green. The gap is pretty, pretty large there. So I would go with the. With the one with the better gap.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I believe this is dynasty as well. So, I mean, if you're talking. That's why the question is even being asked, because the Lacy versus Lynch at a dynasty, it's overwhelmingly for Lacy, but.

[Jason Moore]

But the same goes for Steve Smith and one of those other guys, the ODB or the AJ Green.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think I'm gonna fire up the two young, younger receivers and lynch and then try and try and find myself a running back.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, the dynasty thing sways it a little bit, but I agree with Jason. That's a good take on that one. I. I am with you@Bradley. Phx oh, Phoenician. Yes. A fellow Arizonan here contending team. Do I do this? Give the third pick. Mark Ingram, Stephen Ridley, Marvin Jones. Get AP Jerick McKinnon, Keenan Allen, 2, 4. Or I'm sorry, the fourth pick of the second round. A 2016 first, second and third.

[Andy Holloway]

What.

[Jason Moore]

Let me read. Did we get that right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, this is hard. If I was listening to this in a car, I'd have a hard time wrapping my head around what in the world this. So essentially the first number is the third pick in a redraft league, which you figure is probably going to be Kevin White.

[Jason Moore]

What you mean not a redraft league.

[Andy Holloway]

Or I'm sorry, a dynasty league. So you got to figure that's probably Kevin White. Right. Because Amari Cooper and Todd Gurley are most sports. Someone around there, one of those three.

[Jason Moore]

Guys, one of the rookies, Mark Ingram, Stephen Ridley and Marvin Jones is what he would give up. But his haul in what he gets back is so much greater.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah, totally agree.

[Jason Moore]

AP Jerick McKinnon, Keenan Allen, he only gives up the. Or he gets the fourth pick of the second round and then he gets a first second and third in 2016.

[Mike Wright]

That's ridiculous. To get Adrian Peterson, especially for contending this year. Then you have, you already have his handcuff and his, not just his handcuff, but his heir to the throne of Minnesota. And then all those picks.

[Jason Moore]

It's not even close.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Yes, Bradley, get it done.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

Hopefully you accepted before that trade was pulled.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, or before he listened to the show and watched us ridicule his side of the deal at B. Scully121 wants to know is a good question. Jordan Matthews or Alan Robinson and Jon Stewart. The talk show host, not the running back. Oh, that's.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he's retiring soon, so.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. The running back, not the talk show host. What do you think?

[Andy Holloway]

I, you know, I'm a huge Jordan Matthews guy and I'm not a big Alan Robinson and Jonathan Stewart guy. Even though, I mean, I like where their value is. And Mike, I know you're high on both of those guys, but even still with that, I do think the value here. And of course this depends on your roster, right. Because this is a dynasty or a keeper league. And so, you know, if you've got depth, then go with the more. The higher end talent, which I think is Jordan Matthews. But the value, you're better off on the side of the trade here for the two for one, getting Alan Robinson and Jon Stewart, you get a running back, you get a good quality wide receiver. I like it.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going with Jordan Matthews on this one.

[Jason Moore]

Wow.

[Mike Wright]

I like those other.

[Jason Moore]

But now, wow, I am blown away.

[Andy Holloway]

I never saw Mike going that way.

[Mike Wright]

No, don't confuse how much I like Allen Robinson. I don't necessarily think Allen Robinson's going to turn into an elite guy. I believe Jordan Matthews will become an elite fantasy receiver this year or the next. And Jon Stewart, he's going to be nice. I think he's going to have a great year, but he doesn't have a ton of time left with all of his injuries and how long he's been in the league. So I just, I, I want the elite talent. And so I'm going with Matthews and.

[Jason Moore]

I think that's overstating it because how is he the elite talent? To me, if he hasn't done it yet, which he has not done it yet on the field, you don't know they roll. You don't know who they draft. You don't know those things. I've seen this too many times. Oh, elite talent. That hasn't done it. Monte Ball last year. There's plenty of guys like that.

[Mike Wright]

But this is the game you have to play. When you're in a dynasty, you have to forecast and make your best educated guess at who will become elite talent.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I guess my point is I don't. I think the forecasting of Robinson and Matthews, I mean, with the Jon Stewart pick, I guess I'm just on Jason's side on that. That's fine.

[Mike Wright]

I think Robinson, if you're a jp.

[Jason Moore]

If you're Jordan Matthews believer, it's fine.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And I am. I think he. All. He has, he has all the tools, he has the physical stature and he's in the system.

[Andy Holloway]

It's definitely a fair trade. And it's a, It's a trade that you need. I mean, it's a, It's a trade to send to a show and have the show split and give you no information.

[Jason Moore]

Yep. And no help at all. Ill. Joe, 33, wants to know our standard scoring 12 man redraft is debating PPR versus standard and he's the commission. What are your thoughts on PPR versus standard?

[Mike Wright]

I have strong thoughts on.

[Jason Moore]

I have strong.

[Andy Holloway]

We all have strong thoughts on this one. Mike, what say you?

[Mike Wright]

Half point PPR is the ultimate scoring system to me. I think PPR far overvalues receivers. And you know, you get guys like Edelman. Well, Edelman, great player, great function in the system that he has. But you had that game last year or two years ago. I can't remember where he had about 15 catches for 50 yards or something like that. But in PPR, his scoring was through the roof because he caught the ball so many times, yet he was averaging three yards of catch. So to me, it's just going a full PPR is just too much. Half point is the perfect medium because it's right in the middle.

[Andy Holloway]

How about you, Andy?

[Jason Moore]

I agree. I like half point ppr. We were facing this discussion ourselves when we were deciding what to do with our listener league. By the way, thank you for everyone who sent in their notes and desires to join our listener league. It's got me thinking about maybe having a second one. I gotta bring that to you guys. We'll talk about it. Maybe we. I'm thinking maybe all three of us join up on one team in another, in another league and then play against 11 other listeners as well. We won't get anything done probably based on that last question that we just completely disagreed on. But yeah, I like half point ppr. If it was just the decision between PPR versus standard, I go ppr. I think standard is on its way Out. And this show made the decision early on as a show to kind of rate and discuss players with the presumption of at least a half point ppr, which I think is the perfect system. And so that's. I love. I commend your move potentially to a PPR league. And I agree with Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

Standard scoring is old. Busted.

[Jason Moore]

You know, I mean, from a. Just a pragmatic, fun standpoint, it's just more fun to have. You know, you don't have a scoring system like the days of old where you're going through and, you know, just adding up yards. You have instant tracking and instant scoring and that instant feedback of today's, you know, entertainment.

[Mike Wright]

Use decimals.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, we definitely use decimals.

[Mike Wright]

Gotta use decimals.

[Jason Moore]

No other thoughts on that?

[Mike Wright]

Nope.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm in a complete agreement. Half point PPR is king. Yeah. Yeah. It wins.

[Jason Moore]

I think I know the answer to this next question based on some of the things you talked about before. Comes in from Paul Marney, our Scottish friend.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, bonjour.

[Jason Moore]

He has tweeted us a question. Who's the better dynasty quarterback target, Cam Newton or Ryan Tannehill? He says Cam's stats are regressing. Tans are improving. Or is it only his Dolphin fan bias?

[Mike Wright]

That is a very observant thing to see that Cam Newton has regressed every year while Tannehill has improved every year. I'll let Jason talk.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. We don't know what you think.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I still go Cam Newton for sure. I don't think. I think that you want the better player who puts up the better fantasy points. And the arrows might be pointing certain directions, but those directions, I think, are pointing near their end peaks. And I actually. I don't see Cam having a worse year this year than he did last year. I think Cam.

[Jason Moore]

So you have Cam over.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, so.

[Mike Wright]

So I will. I will use this analogy. When I. When I need to get to the penthouse of a very tall building, I push the up arrow. That's how. That's usually how I get to the top. Kind of like the ascension of statistics from a quarterback like, I don't know, Ryan Tannehill. I mean, going up is that. That's. That's usually how you get to the top. Right.

[Andy Holloway]

And so you're saying that's when you start on the. On the bottom floor?

[Mike Wright]

No. Who finished better last year?

[Jason Moore]

It was.

[Andy Holloway]

Depends on the scoring system.

[Mike Wright]

No, it depends on. No. Unless the scoring system is.

[Jason Moore]

If you're taking scores all the way. If you're taking the stairs you want the guy with the better legs.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

And at this point, Cam Newton. Is it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Is it with his. With his ankles and his.

[Jason Moore]

Honestly, for me, it's flip a coin. And in this case, the coin is going to land on the Dolphins side because you're a Dolphins fan. So grab your quarterback in a dynasty league. Yeah. That the guy you like? I mean, true. I don't know the future.

[Mike Wright]

I do. It's. It's Tannehill.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. I do like what they're doing there in terms of weapons, but if Cam has a couple more guys to throw.

[Mike Wright]

Out, Tannhill's was picked up.

[Jason Moore]

Wait a second, wait a second, wait a second. Who finishes better this year, Cam or Tannehill?

[Mike Wright]

Cam.

[Jason Moore]

Who finishes better this year?

[Mike Wright]

Ryan Tannehill. Put it on the board.

[Andy Holloway]

Water bet. Sweet.

[Jason Moore]

I thought I saw that. I saw it starting to come out of there.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a great one. I love it.

[Jason Moore]

You guys actually made a bet for once, Mike and Jason, instead of me jumping in and everything. Oh, I love it. The Cam Tannehill bet.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, that's easy pickings.

[Jason Moore]

This next one came in from Allen also. Probably my favorite tweet of the week. He had a hashtag ppp. PPRTW for the Peter Pfeiffer pizza.

[Mike Wright]

PPR pick of the week.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the best hashtag of all time. Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

Have you ever had. I'm wondering, is this a new theory? Preemptive sponsoring. Can we just keep, like, dropping this until some of our listeners tweet? Everybody tweet at Peter Piper. That's the goal. Tweet at Peter Piper. Footballer, footballer nation. And until the pizza arrives at our house, he wants to know, in his. In his high money league. So big money here.

[Andy Holloway]

Baller.

[Jason Moore]

He's picking 12 out of. This is a great question. He's picking 12 out of 12. Would you take Jeremy Hill in that spot or is that too early for Jeremy Hill?

[Mike Wright]

I'm assuming that it's a snake league. And if I'm at 12, it depends on who's left on the board. But I'm going to make a strong assumption that the. That there's a lot of running backs gone. Jeremy Hill is there at 12. Absolutely. I take Jeremy Hill and then I take an elite wide receiver. On the flip side.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm in complete agreement. Obviously, if there's, you know, a great running back that's slipped, that's ahead, but I, I don't even see how many. I mean, there's not going to be a better running Back there in my.

[Mike Wright]

My only thought is some people are freaked out by Peterson.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't. Yeah. I mean, if it's Peterson is there at 12.

[Mike Wright]

Peterson or Hill?

[Jason Moore]

I was. Yeah. Peterson or Hill?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you take.

[Jason Moore]

I take Peterson.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, me too. I love Hill. The one other guy that I think could be there would be Arian Foster because a lot of people are down on him.

[Mike Wright]

You could take them both.

[Andy Holloway]

If Arian Foster and. Yeah. If in any of those cases, if you've got AP and. And Hill there or Aaron Foster and Hill there, you take both of those guys and then you go. Yeah, I.

[Jason Moore]

And if this isn't a snake, this is the point where you're not jumping too early on Jeremy Hill. We talked a little bit about. Okay, if you had that first five picks, maybe you're waiting for him to come into the second round, but here, grab him. We love him.

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely.

[Jason Moore]

So good question. BS Allen. I love the hashtag. So awesome.

[Mike Wright]

Cheer up over there, man. So glum.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I don't feel glum.

[Mike Wright]

You sound Draft day sound like Eeyore.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, all of our energy right now is just. It's like on the down low because we're. We're waiting for all of our conserving at the draft. Yeah, it's on.

[Jason Moore]

We're preparing our bodies. Preparing our bodies for the draft is ready. I'm preparing it for your wife's sausage.

[Mike Wright]

Sausage dip.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

If that doesn't show up, I'm taking a soda. I'm bringing over.

[Mike Wright]

I'm hitting up the grocer on the way home.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

We're making it happen.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I'm sorry if I'm not excited enough at gloss or 13 looking for dynasty trade help. Alshon, Jeffrey and Latavius Murray for Carlos Hyde, the third pick and Michael Floyd.

[Mike Wright]

I'm interested.

[Jason Moore]

Which side is best. Thanks.

[Mike Wright]

Question.

[Jason Moore]

I will take the Al Shawn side for sure. You should have known that because I'm higher Murray than anybody else. So.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I knew what you would say.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm absolutely. I don't think it's. It wasn't a difficult decision for me. I'm on the Alshon side on. On a group like this, you don't know what the 103 is going to, you know, turn into. Alshon, I think is going to be a beast for a while. Latavius Murray, I think is. I would prefer Murray to hide at this point right now, or at the very least, they're very, very close. And I don't see Michael Floyd as a long Time.

[Jason Moore]

Does it change if we put a name in there for the third pick? If you say Todd Gurley. If you say Kevin White. Kevin White. If you say Melvin Gordon.

[Andy Holloway]

You know.

[Jason Moore]

Because then you're giving up two running back.

[Andy Holloway]

This is where it's so tough to do stuff like this today. You ask me this question tomorrow.

[Jason Moore]

And knowing because of the team they're on.

[Andy Holloway]

For instance, let's say Kevin White on the Bears goes to the Bears. Exactly. Well, if Kevin White goes to the Bears now, Alshon Jeffrey takes a hit and Kevin White can become the future. So then I go the second route. But in general, not knowing if you're doing this before the draft tonight, I like having all Sean, I want the best player. That's normally. I like the trades that have the best player in it. That's generally speaking.

[Jason Moore]

And they're both young. Jeffrey and Murray are young.

[Mike Wright]

I usually agree. I want the best player. However, I think Hyde, I have him far ahead of Murray. I'm not a Murray believer. Alshon. I agree Alshon is the best player in the trade, but the way I'm looking at it is Carlos Hyde, Kevin White and Mike Floyd for those two guys.

[Jason Moore]

So you go that side.

[Mike Wright]

Absolutely.

[Jason Moore]

So we got two. Two of us, Jason and I think the Alshon side. Mike thinks the Mike Floyd side.

[Andy Holloway]

And I would flop if Kevin White goes to the Bears.

[Mike Wright]

And I'm still a Floyd truther, unfortunately.

[Jason Moore]

Well, his option just got picked up. Although it's a lot like the RG3 situation where it's not guaranteed unless he gets hurt this year.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but it's different. They got it because they want him.

[Jason Moore]

Here at that rate, at that price at Dynasty debates, wants to know Carlos Hyde or Melvin Gordon? Obviously, Dynasty League. Carlos Hyde or Melvin Gordon? Another question really, really dependent on tonight.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. If you have to do this to me, Carlos Hyde, you know, he's got a situation where he's the starter and he's, you know, set to be on a running team and all of those things. So I'd go Carlos Hyde. So let me ask this then, so that it's a legitimate question. Let's give a couple places where Melvin Gordon goes and say whether or not you like Melvin Gordon versus Carlos Hyde, I say let's say Melvin Gordon, Atlanta Falcons.

[Jason Moore]

I take Gordon. Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I just like this.

[Mike Wright]

I like Atlanta a lot.

[Jason Moore]

About San Diego.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, Gordon for sure. I think that's one of the best places. Baltimore Gordon.

[Mike Wright]

Gordon Tressman.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man. If Gordon goes to Baltimore, I'll be so sad about my Giants Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.

[Mike Wright]

What was. What was that?

[Jason Moore]

Giants.

[Mike Wright]

Giants.

[Andy Holloway]

I would go Carlos side Cardinals.

[Mike Wright]

How dare you invoke the name of my.

[Andy Holloway]

If I was not a Cardinals fan, I would go Carlos high. I would want Melvin Gordon.

[Mike Wright]

Faux Shao Gordon is hard because the. The line in Arizona is strong. It's going to be good.

[Andy Holloway]

So.

[Jason Moore]

But there will be split carries, obviously.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah, it's a good question.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, obviously there's a reason why Dynasty Debates is debating the topic, but I look forward to seeing this debate rage on after tomorrow. And according to Mike. Tomorrow we won't know yet.

[Mike Wright]

At least tomorrow that is correct.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, because you don't believe any running backs are going.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't. Well, I think it's really.

[Jason Moore]

Or Gordon at least.

[Mike Wright]

I think there's a small percentage chance that it happens.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I think Gordon could easily fall out of the first. Easily. In fact, I. I don't expect Gordon to be drafted in the first.

[Jason Moore]

I think on a normal year, maybe, but to me, I think there are too many running back needs for teams this year. So I think that they might. But we'll see. It's interesting, too, because you have the variable of Gurley's injury where some people are reporting. Hey, he'll be, you know, most of the time.

[Mike Wright]

I think it's still a. It's still a situation there.

[Jason Moore]

There was a study that came out yesterday via espn, or at least it was posted on espn, that said, via Melvin Gordon's camp.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, no, this is not good.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I know what you're saying. Yeah, that's funny. It said that collegiate athletes who've had a. Or basically new. New rookies, people that have been drafted, that have had a previous ACL injury, one in four of them have a re. Injury of that acl. So if you basically had an injury before you were drafted one in four, that's not good.

[Andy Holloway]

That's glass half full, guys. You know what? I think that's glass half full. Glass half empty. Because three. Three out of four, never have the injury again. That's how I see it.

[Jason Moore]

It scares me about Gurley. You hear that? It scares me.

[Mike Wright]

It's. But you don't just have that. You factor that into bust potential.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And not playing at full strength maybe for the first six games, seven games.

[Mike Wright]

That's.

[Jason Moore]

But people. I mean, then you have that super otherworldly talent. I mean, people were saying these type of things about Adrian Peterson when he came out. There's a reason the Arizona Cardinals drafted Levi Brown instead of Adrian Peterson and remember, just come off an injury too.

[Mike Wright]

Do you guys remember the last prospect who was the best running back since Adrian Peterson?

[Jason Moore]

Trent Richardson.

[Mike Wright]

It was Trent Richardson.

[Jason Moore]

How'd that turn out?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Which maybe he was.

[Mike Wright]

But it so far has not panned out. It's about to explode. And.

[Jason Moore]

Well, you don't. You don't think Richards is about to take Oakland by storm.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

1.2 yards of carry. 1.2 if he's lucky. I think that's what MJD put up last year. Email. Oh, who just retired, by the way.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he needed to. But that's dude. And MJD was a monster for years.

[Jason Moore]

And years, but those.

[Mike Wright]

The wheels fall off real quick.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they do.

[Andy Holloway]

And he was a dark fan.

[Jason Moore]

I picture a guy that's just sliding down a cliff face, grabbing on for something and it. You can't stop it once those running backs.

[Mike Wright]

I picture Matt Forte in.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my God. It's such an overstatement to me.

[Andy Holloway]

Matt Forte started his career as an injury prone guy, you know, got hobbled. I'm just saying we cannot start talking about him. Yeti that Marshawn lynch is. He's not that Forte of a body.

[Jason Moore]

I think he is physically. If I had to put him on the scale on the generational type of guy versus not. I put him on the generational type of guy because he's got a track record of years and years of doing it.

[Andy Holloway]

So did Sean Alexander. All right, go on.

[Jason Moore]

We have to go on. You should tweet us with your take on Matt Forte this year. All you Chicagoans out there listening to this.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, what are the Chicago clearly going to say?

[Andy Holloway]

That he's good?

[Jason Moore]

No, they're very unbiased and they want.

[Andy Holloway]

So you think the unbiased people reside in.

[Jason Moore]

Have you heard the way they talk about Jay Cutler?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, that's not the best.

[Jason Moore]

I'm just curious if.

[Mike Wright]

Don't you ever disparage the name of Smokin J. Cudi in my presence?

[Jason Moore]

Every time I hear that now, all I do is think a snapback. I put him like, that's Stafford. No, I know. I'm just saying I put them together. They're going to the mall together every. Every day. They're. They're skipping along together.

[Mike Wright]

I bet I could hit that thing over there. Give me that ball.

[Andy Holloway]

Just a. Nope. All right, what's the next email? Keep this thing moving along.

[Mike Wright]

It's like Uncle Rico, man. I brought another backwards cap for you. But that's Stafford to me.

[Jason Moore]

What did you say before that they were both under the bleachers. They're both still in high school.

[Mike Wright]

Carving under the sharpieing up the bleachers. Maddie loves Jay writing band names.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my goodness. Yeah. That's what you want in your quarterback. Permanent high schooler. Email comes in from Sam. Hey, guys. Hey guys. I love the show. It's great to have another quality podcast to add to my daily habit. I'm glad you like the show, Sam.

[Mike Wright]

Smiley face.

[Jason Moore]

I kind of said that mean like. Yeah, thanks for liking the show, Sam. Oh, all right.

[Andy Holloway]

How's his league set up?

[Jason Moore]

It's set up as follows. It's a 10 team league with 15 man roster. He has to keep five players and you can keep up to 10. Holy guacamole. That's got to be fun to sort through.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a weird league.

[Jason Moore]

Essentially he gives his roster here he has Aaron Rodgers at quarterback, DeMarco Murray, Jamal Charles, Trey Mason, Niall Davis, Latavius Murray, Charles Sims. It's got Jimmy Graham at tight end and at wide receiver, Emmanuel Sanders, Calvin Johnson, Alshon Jeffrey. I like this core. Devonte Adams, Dante Moncrief and Josh Gordon. So basically he wants to know out of that roster, who are his locks and potential next five. He's currently thinking Rogers Charles, Calvin Johnson, Alshon Jeffrey, and Emmanuel Sanders as his top five. And then he's considering guys like DeMarco Murray, Jimmy Graham. What do you think here? Who should he lock in for sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Jamal Charles locked in, right? Charles Sims locked in. That's a joke. That's a joke. So you got Calvin Johnson locked. You got Jamal Charles locked. I think here, Sean Jeffrey, you got Alshon Jeffrey locked.

[Jason Moore]

So do you lock Graham or do you not? Because you forfeit a pick for every, every guy you keep.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think you lock Aaron Rodgers here because you can, you can, you have to keep five. So you're talking about value. I think you get the value personally. Mike, you're the.

[Mike Wright]

I agree.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Every, every guy he keeps beyond the fifth pick, you need to start thinking of it in terms of what would be there right in that first round for him.

[Mike Wright]

And what he has.

[Jason Moore]

He has.

[Mike Wright]

He's thinking DeMarco Murray for sixth and Jimmy Graham for seventh. Yes, I, I absolutely do that. I think so. His.

[Jason Moore]

Well, that's not, that's not the picky. I guess essentially it would be.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, you can assign number.

[Jason Moore]

I gotcha. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

His, his bigger question is for an 8th round pick, does he keep Trey Mason? Trey Mason or Latavius Murray?

[Jason Moore]

I know that you'd probably say Mason of those guys.

[Mike Wright]

Mason. But I'm not a huge Trey Mason guy. I think I. I think I just lock in those seven guys and then I start drafting.

[Jason Moore]

All right, well, that's all the time we have for Mailbag today. Believe it or not. We are out of time on the show. You guys have anything else you want a pre draft jubilation share?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm just ready to take my shirt off. Got to get these cameras off, guys. Get the body paint going.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I don't know basketball, but thank goodness for your wallet.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

With the code ballers. So that is today's show. Hope you enjoyed it. Kevin White is a beast.

[Mike Wright]

Beast.

[Jason Moore]

Kevin White is a bear. Chicago Bear. A bear.

[Mike Wright]

I thought you were. He was a very hairy.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. No, he's a. He's. He's a beastly bear.

[Jason Moore]

So check us out next week. Enjoy. Enjoy the draft tonight. We'll have so much more information. We'll do a draft review show. Probably talk a lot through that next two shows. We'll have Adam Mazer on the show from cbs. We're going to lock down that time. It'll be next week sometime, I think. And make sure you visit us on the web. TheFantasyFootballers.com on TwitterFFballers you can find us on Facebook. Facebook.com TheFantasyFootballers and don't forget, you can subscribe to us on itunes. Leave us one of those sweet reviews. We really appreciate it. And we will see all of you next week or at the draft party tonight, everybody. Yeah, you're all invited.

[Mike Wright]

And I'm gonna go see the Avengers this weekend. Avengers Assemble.

[Jason Moore]

Age of Ultron.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you for listening to another edition of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Don't forget to visit us on the web at www.the fantasy footballers.com and follow us on Twitter @the ffballers.