Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Preseason Wk 3 Review, Fantasy News, Mailbag

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary

Episode: Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Preseason Wk 3 Review, Fantasy News, Mailbag
Release Date: August 31, 2015
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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1. Introduction and Opening Banter

The episode kicks off with the hosts welcoming listeners and a brief humorous exchange about Jason Moore’s deepened voice due to illness. They joke about the "Winnie the Pooh" character Eeyore to reflect Jason’s melancholic mood following the release of Fred Jackson from the Buffalo Bills.

Notable Quote:

• Andy Holloway [00:34]: “Happy Monday, everybody. Well, not everybody. Not everybody. This is the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.”

2. Draft Drama: Jason's Fred Jackson Fiasco

Jason shares his unfortunate experience during their major league draft where he aimed to draft Fred Jackson but was outbid by Mike Wright, leading to a subsequent trade that backfired when Fred Jackson was released. This event significantly dampened his spirits and serves as a cautionary tale about draft strategies and trade decisions.

Notable Quote:

• Jason Moore [02:58]: “So I lost Vincent Jackson and Fred Jackson in one fell swoop.”

3. Fantasy News and Updates

The hosts delve into various league updates and NFL news affecting fantasy football:

• Kevin White is now on the reserve/PUP list.
• Trey Mason of the Rams is questionable for Week 1 due to a potential hamstring pull, impacting his availability as a left backfield option.
• Randall Cobb's Injury: Initially concerning, but MRI results show only a sprained AC joint, though his Week 1 participation remains uncertain.
• Duke Johnson's Concussion: The Browns announce Duke Johnson is concussed, raising concerns about his durability.
• Julio Jones Extension: The Falcons have signed Julio Jones to a five-year, $71 million extension.
• Kirk Cousins to Start: The Redskins confirm Kirk Cousins will be their starting quarterback for Week 1, sidelining RG3.

Notable Quote:

• Andy Holloway [09:38]: “It's the right move to make.”

4. Preseason Week 3 Game Reviews

The trio provides in-depth analysis of several Week 3 preseason games, highlighting standout performances, player prospects, and fantasy implications.

a. Patriots vs. Panthers

• Panthers' Offense Struggles: Jason criticizes the Panthers’ offense, spotlighting tight end Greg Olsen as a potential PPR machine.

  Notable Quote:

  • Jason Moore [12:43]: “Greg Olson is going to be a PPR machine. If you're in a PPR league for a tight end and you're in round, I would even go five now, but especially six.”

• Patriots' Offensive Moves: Dion Lewis shines, while James White faces uncertainty, and Traverse Cadet may be cut.

b. Chiefs vs. Titans

• Jeremy Macklin’s Performance: Andy and Mike express increased confidence in Macklin’s role within the Chiefs’ evolving offense.

  Notable Quote:

  • Mike Wright [14:52]: “I just didn't have the faith that they would do it. So Macklin is. I'm, I'm buying more into Macklin.”

• Sam Bradford vs. Alex Smith: Andy shares his draft dilemma between quarterbacks Sam Bradford and Alex Smith, ultimately opting for Smith to balance his roster.

c. Raiders vs. Cardinals

• Latavius Murray’s Role: Noted for not catching a pass yet in preseason, raising questions about his offensive involvement.

d. Seahawks vs. Saints

• Colin Kaepernick’s Struggles: The hosts discuss Kaepernick’s underwhelming preseason performance despite high expectations.

  Notable Quote:

  • Andy Holloway [20:32]: “I have to plainly say that he has not looked efficient.”

• Marshawn Lynch’s Impact: Lynch continues to be a formidable force, effectively compensating for the Seahawks' questionable offensive line.

e. Bills vs. Steelers

• Martavis Bryant’s Suspension: Despite a four-game suspension, Bryant remains a key asset upon his return, with Mike advising listeners to highlight him in drafts.

f. Lions vs. Jaguars

• TJ Yelden’s Opportunities: While Yelden shows promise with a touchdown reception, Andy and Mike remain cautious about his long-term impact due to the Jaguars' developing offensive line.

  Notable Quote:

  • Mike Wright [26:19]: “He didn't look special but the offensive line I think is very, very upgraded from what they had last year.”

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5. Draft Strategies and Listener Mailbag

The hosts tackle various listener questions, offering personalized advice on trades, draft picks, and roster management.

a. Keeper Leagues:

• Jordy Nelson as a Keeper: Dave from Morehead successfully drafted Nelson in the ninth round to place him on IR, securing a seventh-round keeper spot next year.

  Notable Quote:

  • Jason Moore [31:25]: “When do I take Jordy and if you can get him in the ninth and so he's now a seventh round keeper for you next year. That's home run, man.”

b. Trade Evaluations:

• Carlos Hyde for Melvin Gordon and Steve Smith Sr.: Brandon in Syracuse seeks opinions on this trade, with Mike and Jason advising to retain Hyde over Gordon due to team needs.

c. Undrafted Players:

• Brandon Coleman vs. Tyler Eifert: Brandon from Syracuse considers adding Coleman to his roster, with hosts recommending prioritizing Eifert over Daniels for tight end potential.

  Notable Quote:

  • Mike Wright [34:50]: “I would actually, I would put Brandon Coleman on my team.”

d. Mistakes in Drafting:

• Andy's Personal Story: Andy recounts drafting Matt Ryan in favor of Julio Jones, leading to regret and a subsequent trade, emphasizing the importance of sticking to a draft plan amid emotional decisions.

  Notable Quote:

  • Andy Holloway [35:43]: “It was a bad decision that grew out of, like, the emotional tie of having that combo.”

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6. Key Takeaways and Conclusions

• Stay Objective in Drafts: Avoid emotional decisions and adhere to a pre-defined draft strategy to prevent regrettable picks.
• Monitor Player Health: Injuries and roster changes can significantly impact fantasy value; stay updated with the latest NFL news.
• Flexibility in Keeper Leagues: Smart keeper selections, like drafting Jordy Nelson in lower rounds, can provide long-term advantages.
• Value of Undervalued Players: Identifying and acquiring undervalued players such as Greg Olsen and Brandon Coleman can yield substantial returns in specific league formats like PPR.

Notable Quote:

• Jason Moore [37:32]: “Always. It doesn't matter.”

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7. Closing Remarks

The hosts wrap up the episode by encouraging listeners to engage with them through their website, social media, and Patreon for exclusive content. They also tease an upcoming exclusive segment on draft mistakes, reinforcing the episode’s themes of strategic drafting and adaptability.

Notable Quote:

• Mike Wright [28:47]: “Go to JoinTheFoot.com goodbye.”

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Conclusion

This episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast provides valuable insights into preseason developments, draft strategies, and listener interactions, all essential for gaining an edge in fantasy leagues. The hosts’ blend of humor, expertise, and real-life examples offers listeners practical advice and entertaining content to navigate the fantasy football season effectively.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, everyone. Before we start today's show, just want to let you know you can become a part of this podcast. That's right. Go over to jointhefoot.com see how you can get involved. We're an independent podcast bringing you fantasy football news every day of the week. So head over there, jointhefoot.com and see how you can join us.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Happy Monday, everybody. Well, not everybody. Not everybody. This is the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. I am Andy Holloway joined by Mike the Fantasy Hitman Wright.

[Mike Wright]

Good morning, Foot Clan.

[Andy Holloway]

And a man formerly known as Jason, who currently has a deeper voice than usual.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm both sick in my physical body and sick in my heart and soul.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, Mike, you've seen Winnie the Pooh before, haven't you?

[Mike Wright]

The cartoon?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

What character does he remind you of this morning?

[Mike Wright]

If I had to suggest a character from Winnie the Pooh, I would go with Eeyore.

[Jason Moore]

I can assure you that Eeyore has.

[Andy Holloway]

Way more optimism, and not just because he's double stuffed. Eeyore. I think Eeyore's stuffed, isn't he?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, they're all stuff, too.

[Jason Moore]

Well, he has a lot more optimism and life than I do this morning.

[Andy Holloway]

It's just great that your voice is recovering from this illness. And is this deep because you just sound as sad as you look, man. So the reason Jason is so depressed. I have to give some context for this.

[Jason Moore]

Has nothing to do with my sickness.

[Andy Holloway]

No. Well, yeah, you're right. It doesn't. Fred Jackson was released this morning. Okay. That's the beginning of the tale.

[Mike Wright]

Breaking news.

[Andy Holloway]

That is the beginning of the story.

[Jason Moore]

First of all, before we go into the story that's ridiculous, let me just.

[Andy Holloway]

Say that it is.

[Jason Moore]

Entire roster is dead of running backs. And I said. I said this.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but he didn't do anything in preseason, Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Well, until. Until, you know, he first touched the ball and ran for a 40y touchdown and then got called back. Not. Well, it's not a touchdown. Well, let's give him the ball again. Have him leap over 100 guys in the air like Superman and score touchdown. He's really good.

[Andy Holloway]

And he's no longer a Buffalo Bill. And the rest of the story is, is that we had our big. Our big league draft yesterday. This is the major league that we play in and that we've been in for 10 years, and we all bring banners of our teams and hoot and holler and mock everybody, and it's the Big deal. And Jason drafted LaShawn McCoy in the first round. Okay? That's the beginning of the story, the.

[Jason Moore]

End of a tier.

[Andy Holloway]

He also drafted Fred Jackson in the fourth round.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, I didn't.

[Andy Holloway]

30, 35, 34.

[Mike Wright]

That was Vincent Jackson.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He drafted Vincent Jackson in the fourth round, and he got to around the seventh round when Mike had drafted Fred Jackson. And it hits him that he really should ensure this LaShawn McCoy. Or give the context.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So we were. I've got a co owner as well. And we were targeting Fred Jackson the whole time. We knew he'd be there at that next pick and we knew we had to have him. LaShawn McCoy being possibly not even there for week one, and Fred Jackson being talented, we knew we had to have him, so we were targeting him hardcore. And of course, Mike, fancy hitman, right, took me out and grabs Fred Jackson. And so our hearts crush and sink. But later in the draft, we see a perfect opportunity. A perfect opportunity because even though I'm not super high on Torrey Smith, this is late in the draft, like eight, nine, ninth round, and we're a keeper league, so it's really like three rounds after that. And Torrey Smith was still on the board, who I don't have ranked too far behind Minson Jackson. So we decide, hey, hey, I got a good deal for both of us because it's a great deal for you, Mike. I'm going to trade Vincent Jackson from the fourth round for Fred Jackson from later. And what happens? But I go home and then I study the Bills game and watch how amazing Fred Jackson is. My heart soars, my voice could sing. I was so happy with the trade. And then I wake up and I have a string of hahahaha on slack because Fred Jackson is been cut.

[Andy Holloway]

Unbelievable.

[Jason Moore]

So I lost Vincent Jackson and Fred Jackson in one fell swoop.

[Andy Holloway]

I was driving my son to school today, and I saw that news come across the other world, and I just laughed as loud as the day is long. I just laughed forever. So that's why we have a double stuffed Eeyore this morning.

[Mike Wright]

I didn't really understand the sad music. I thought I should have been happy. Of course you did.

[Andy Holloway]

You traded nobody for Vincent Jackson. Unbelievable. All right, we got a good show for you. It's fun. It's draft season. We've got some news and notes. We're going to talk preseason week three, and we're going to mix in some mailbag today. So it'll be A fun one. We have some more stories from our draft that we'll share with you that were entertaining, a little bit scary in.

[Mike Wright]

Some context of these. These are tips of, like, of a live draft of mistakes that each of us felt like we made. Which mine? Mine are zero mistakes, but the other guys made. Of course, we discussed mine.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And Mike was wearing these sunglasses that just made him insufferable during the entire draft.

[Mike Wright]

Hate blockers.

[Andy Holloway]

Hate blockers. All right. If you want to get a hold of the show, you can do so on Twitter heffballers. You can also go to the website thefantasyfootballers.com you can submit questions there. You can get the ultimate draft review product there. You can also interact with us on patreon. That'[e-mail] you can visit us on YouTube and subscribe on itunes.

[Mike Wright]

And see Eeyore.

[Andy Holloway]

And see Eeyore in person.

[Jason Moore]

You can see I'm growing Eeyore beard.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a depression beard.

[Jason Moore]

This is depression. No, actually, this beard. This is a beard that I will be growing on my neck in a disgusting fashion until every ultimate Draft report is done. There are many of them.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. We should say that if you've ordered an ultimate draft report. We're working on them.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, we're working hard.

[Andy Holloway]

We were working through. We've got through a bunch of them, but they're coming in hot and heavy now that it's draft weekend, so stay tuned. I put a thing on there. It might take a couple days, but we'll get them to you. And I thought you were gonna say you're not gonna shave until Fred Jackson finds a new home.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I thought he was gonna say.

[Jason Moore]

Either. Either way, I'll have some celebration.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's get into the news.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, little. Little book, bookkeeping note here at the top. Kevin White is officially on reserve, pup. So put him in that IR slot if you're in a dynasty. Otherwise, cut him. Rams coach Jeff Fisher said that Trey Mason is questionable for week one. This is kind of just too bad, I think, because we've been touting Mason as a good left bell replacement for that first and second week. But obviously, if he goes and pulls his hamstring, he's gonna do you any good.

[Mike Wright]

So monitor this with. With Mason and Gurley. Otherwise, we could be on Benny Cunningham watch.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Honestly, for week one and two, that's a good name to remember out of packers camp. A big old sigh of relief because we've already lost Jordy Nelson. And then kind of the headline news right when the preseason week three games began was, oh no. Oh no, Randall Cobb's down. Randall Cobb's going to the locker room. I saw a picture of Aaron Rodgers with a big, with the logo from Straight outta Compton. Just said it said straight out of wide receivers. And I was like, yeah, pretty much Devonte Adams, my goodness. But Randall Cobb's MRI came back. It was negative. No broken bones, no broken collarbone, which was the first fear. Only a sprained AC joint in his shoulder. So no guarantee that he's playing week one. You should keep that in mind. But he is going to be okay. Which is really good news for their playoff hopes. Out of Browns camp. Browns coach Mike Petton confirmed Sunday night that Duke Johnson was concussed.

[Mike Wright]

So, so here's why I wanted to talk about this. Of. With the. The Duke Johnson flyer hype has been building. And you know, I'm, I'm also thinking this is a possibility. They, they don't seem to really like Crowell or Terrence west up in Cleveland. So maybe it's Duke Johnson. The problem here is Duke Johnson was always nicked up in college games. Ticketing out, missing plays here and there. The, the durability, the size is a question. First game, concussion. So this is just it. I'm. I'm not completely jumping off board of the fly because it's still a late round flyer type guy, but that's a big concern.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Our good friend Adam Azer, he always said that in the off season. He said he's so talented and he does great, but he's just always injured. And you see it so far, you know, in the NFL and if you.

[Andy Holloway]

Know anything from fantasy football, if you've played more than one season, certain guys are just prone to injury at times. So you just have to be aware of that. And in that situation, you have to own so many backfield guys to even. It's not like one handcuff is going to save you if Duke Johnson's not on the field. Falcons have signed Julio Jones to a five year, five year, $71 million extension. Just a teeny bit more than Des and Marius.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. How, how happy is he?

[Andy Holloway]

I guess he's pretty happy. That's a lot of money.

[Jason Moore]

$71 million happy.

[Andy Holloway]

And then breaking kind of. This morning was news out of Redskins camp, which I think is better for the Redskins, that Kirk Cousins is starting week one.

[Jason Moore]

It's the right move to make. I mean, you watch the team and.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm Gonna keep my eyes on the news now, because I don't know if RG3 is long for that team.

[Mike Wright]

I am setting phasers to stun his cousin back.

[Andy Holloway]

Captain Kirk is not yet.

[Mike Wright]

But he is. Captain Kirk is. If he's in a good matchup, he's a good streamer.

[Andy Holloway]

I do have some.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my.

[Andy Holloway]

Tyrod Taylor officially named the starting quarterback for the Buffalo Bills.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, do you know who that's great for? I've been Fred Jackson.

[Andy Holloway]

Everything comes back to Fred.

[Jason Moore]

That's all I'm going to contribute.

[Andy Holloway]

The news is, is he is. At the end of the year, he's eligible for Social Security.

[Mike Wright]

So Tyrod Taylor, he, to me, instantly becomes an interesting quarterback, too, for sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he can move. We watch him. He can move with those legs, but he likes to stay in the pocket. And he's been very accurate. 12 for 13 or something last game.

[Jason Moore]

And it is good for Lashawn McCoy as well when he comes back.

[Andy Holloway]

And if you're looking who the starting kicker is for the Steelers, I should mention this because Sweetum this week. Sweetum went out and then Hartley went out, and now Josh Scobie's the starting.

[Mike Wright]

This week's Pittsburgh kicker.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

We should have a segment drop this week. Spitzberg, kicker. I can record our segment drops this week while I'm sick.

[Andy Holloway]

That's true. Do we want to Talk Preseason Week 3? Are you guys ready to talk?

[Mike Wright]

Let's do it.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me. Let me hit you with a quick three questions. Three quick questions. Okay, you guys, I'm gonna say the team. You tell me who the running back is. Okay? I'm gonna go through three teams that are kind of fighting. So pretend the situation is this. You have to start this guy when I. When you say the name.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the guy you have to start from this team. Atlanta Falcons.

[Jason Moore]

Fred Jackson.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

No. All right. Devontae Freeman.

[Mike Wright]

Freeman.

[Andy Holloway]

The Dallas Cowboys.

[Jason Moore]

Fred Jackson.

[Andy Holloway]

Actually, there was a news that just broke that said they're not interested in Fred Jackson.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Andy Holloway]

But. But you're ruining the spirit of this round, which is to give me a name that's starting, so.

[Jason Moore]

Joe Randall.

[Andy Holloway]

Falcons. You said. Okay, so you said Joe Randall for the Cowboys.

[Mike Wright]

Aaron McFadden.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that a Ron Burgundy?

[Mike Wright]

It's there. I. That. That is a mess.

[Andy Holloway]

So Mike doesn't know. Thanks for nothing.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Cleveland Brown.

[Mike Wright]

The news that I'm reading is they like Darren McFadden a lot. And Cleveland Browns. Which week?

[Jason Moore]

Week one.

[Andy Holloway]

This is week one.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, you guys suck. At this.

[Jason Moore]

Gotta go.

[Andy Holloway]

You're supposed to give me one name. You're debating everything.

[Mike Wright]

Crowell.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Fred. No, Crowell.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. All right. Let's talk about preseason week three. This is the dress rehearsal, so to speak. The dress rehearsal.

[Mike Wright]

I heard a T on there.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, you put it in there. This is kind of. Starters get to play longer. We get to see more out of guys. We're not paying so much attention to the stats as to what the offenses look like. We know they're vanilla defenses, vanilla offenses. But let's go ahead and start with the Patriots versus the Panthers. Give me the headline news here. Who jumped off the page to you? Who didn't look so good?

[Jason Moore]

The Carolina Panthers did not look good to me on offense at all. The one guy that stood out by a mile was my boy, Greg Olson. He looks like he could have two or three hundred receptions this year. I mean, honestly, there's no. There's. There's just no one else to throw the ball to. It also showed me the need for Devin Funches because they were lacking options. Cam didn't look too bad, but he looked terrible because every wide receiver dropped every pass he throws and he throws too hard. Cam, if you're listening, soften up, okay, a little bit. But their offense did not look that good to me. Greg Olson is going to be a PPR machine. If you're in a PPR league for a tight end and you're in round, I would even go five now, but especially six. Grab Greg Olson.

[Andy Holloway]

You grabbed Greg Olson last night.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, as my sixth and it changed my team.

[Andy Holloway]

I loved it and I watched a lot of that game. Completely agree with you, the need for wide receivers there. We can't necessarily project funches to be the same as what Benjamin was last year, but my goodness, he's going to have the chance to be.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, there's a net of out of New England if you are trying to get that pass catcher back. Oh, it looks like it's Brandon Bolden.

[Andy Holloway]

Now on week three.

[Mike Wright]

Classic Patriots.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, Dion Lewis has been shining. Now they're saying James White's in trouble and then they're going to cut Traverse Cadet.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

So.

[Mike Wright]

And Bolden, good luck. Bolden didn't just play passing downs. Bolden was getting early work.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's the one thing I'll say about Bolden. He has been with the team long enough to know that the team trusts him in some capacity. Right. He's not just a brand new face. So, yeah, good luck figuring that out.

[Jason Moore]

I would also say the defense Of Carolina looked amazing.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

So just, just as far as the trenches, I don't really focus on the scheme and the whole, you know, because everything's vanilla defense right now. But you can, you can kind of trust watching offensive line and defensive line who's stronger. And their D line looked really strong.

[Andy Holloway]

Another game I watched was the Chiefs and Titans. And honestly, this is more validation to the mini bets that I made. Jeremy Macklin has looked outstanding in the preseason. He's got two touchdowns in the last two games. He was 7 for 65 and a touchdown and about a half of half a game of work.

[Mike Wright]

And this is what I will say for Macklin, where what I'm seeing on the field, it was not what I was expecting from the Chiefs, which is something of a actual modern offense where they're figuring out different ways to get a guy a ball. I mean, they put Macklin in the backfield, they're giving him bubble screens or they're force feeding the ball to Macklin, which is what they really should do. I just didn't have the faith that they would do it. So Macklin is. I'm, I'm buying more into Macklin.

[Andy Holloway]

When I was in a draft, our draft last night, I had Sam Bradford as my quarterback and late I had to decide on a second guy. Okay, that I wanted to stream with him or have his insurance for when he gets hurt. I was looking at Tom Brady and Alex Smith and I drafted Alex Smith.

[Jason Moore]

And it doesn't look too bad because he's got weapons there now. You know, Jamal Charles is gonna do some things out of the backfield catching the ball. And Zeus, man, Zeus, he looks very.

[Andy Holloway]

Good and he'll be used.

[Jason Moore]

Travis Kelsey, it took about five guys to tackle him. When he got in the open field, it was like he just kept plowing forward until enough other jerseys could, could like locust around him and bring him down.

[Andy Holloway]

He would have had another. He would have had another touchdown because he had a wide open. Smith was just kind of moving in the pocket and short armed him by like 20 yards.

[Mike Wright]

And quick note. Kendall Wright looks like Mariota's boy.

[Andy Holloway]

He does.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So he's a guy, I'm guessing, who's going undrafted. I'm not saying he's a guy I'm running out to, to throw on my bench, but if you got a deeper bench and a ppr. Kendall Wright has been successful in that role before and he'd Mariota, he looks like the go to guy right now.

[Jason Moore]

He is without a doubt now scheme wise Their number one wide receiver. And we're drafting third wide receivers from some teams way ahead of him.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

And if you're in a PPR league you're going to get all of those extra targets and receptions from him. So I really liked him. Last note I would say on that Bishop Sankey, it didn't look good to me. Every time they got in any remotely short yardage they took him out. If it was third and two, third and three, he came out every time. So I just don't think he's going to get any touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

Ken Wisenhunt did say that they might bring in another back as well because David David Cubs a little hurt though. All right. Last night's game, the Raiders and Cardinals this was. There was no room to run in this game for either team. One note that has been mentioned. Latavius Murray hasn't caught a pass yet in preseason. I don't expect that to continue.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

But just a strange fact.

[Mike Wright]

It is a strange fact. And hello got some. Got his first action of the year of the preseason and he got a couple passes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he did get in there and it was very funny when he was drafted last night because oh yeah. After room busted out the hello Saints and Hugh Saints and Texans. What did you guys see from the. The Saints offense? I mean Breezes look good all preseason.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, he has. And the Texans and as soon as they got close in the red zone you saw the absence of Jimmy Graham for them. They, they didn't have a guy that a go to just hey we need you to button hook and box out Jimmy Graham and then we're going to throw you the ball it maybe they can get it figured out. You got a point.

[Andy Holloway]

Well I'm going to ask you this. Is there any, is there any universe where you're drafting Brandon Coleman over Marcus Colson? Yes, because Coleman is now on the field in two wide receiver sets and Colson's coming in in threes and that's.

[Mike Wright]

That'S exactly where I was going to go because Coleman is very large. If he can build that in charge build. If he can build that dynamic with Breeze to be the button hook guy and just be the tall guy in the end zone. He could start racking up.

[Andy Holloway]

Just has not produced much in the preseason.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that, that is the concern is we haven't seen it but the camp reports are great. Sean Payton, it has talked him up. Someone has to catch passes there.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. The sad thing is I just don't think we know who it's going to be. Is it going to be Ben Watson? Is it going to be Coleman? Is it going to be Josh Hill? It's going to be Marquise, is just a lot of options. Is it going to be Ingram running him in? So it's just something where we don't have the answer from preseason. We're going to have to, you know.

[Andy Holloway]

Take gambles and Spiller will come back.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

And Ingram looks good.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, he does.

[Mike Wright]

He looks, his cut looks very strong.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason, tell me what you saw from Denver San Francisco. Did you watch that game?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, the Denver San Francisco game. I would say that the main things I saw, I wasn't super happy with the offensive line in Denver. They looked, in fact, by not super happy, I mean it was disgusting. And I was really happy with them signing Evan Mathis. But man alive, I've never seen Peyton just. They snap the ball and he's taken down. It was, it was really scary to me from a standpoint of such a great offense that could have real problems with that offensive line. So that was the main, you know, it was just trench work and it could be the fact that they were working in Mathis and maybe there were some miscommunications. It really looked like the center position, the center just, I mean, was blown up play after play after play. So it might be a matchup based thing to look for, but that was my main takeaway from that. And also Carlos Hyde looked like the lone bright spot for the 49ers and.

[Andy Holloway]

I got a second week in a row.

[Mike Wright]

I have to ask the question. This is what the people I'm sure want to know. Colin Kaepernick. What, what have you to say about Colin Kaepernick? He has looked delightfully bad.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know what to say about Colin Kaepernick because I slowly moved him down over the last few weeks just because other players. But he didn't look good last year either. And yet his end of the year stats ascended in many categories. I don't even know what to make of it. He's looked bad in the preseason. I will, I will plainly say that he has not looked efficient. There's been almost no kind of rhythm for that offense at all. I don't know if they're figuring it out. I don't know if it just won't exist. But yeah, I have to have to admit Kaepernick is not what's.

[Mike Wright]

What's amazing about Kaepernick because I'm sure most people, including myself a couple years ago, you know, were very high on Him, I think it was Ron. Ron Jaworski said that Kaepernick is going to be the best quarterback of all time.

[Jason Moore]

Yep, he did.

[Andy Holloway]

He likes getting in the news. He.

[Mike Wright]

Well, that's, that's also very true. But we all were so high on what Kaepernick could do is what, man, what happened?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, they haven't looked like they're going to bring Vernon Davis back into the fold to the degree that I had hoped. And the defense is going to be bad. The offense is finding, I mean, Torrey Smith's fresh and I don't know what's going to happen.

[Mike Wright]

It could take him a few games. But I mean, the potential.

[Andy Holloway]

He did run the ball still. That's the thing. He can look that bad. And I think he had like 50 yards rushing to go. So you're fine. So Seattle, San Diego. Seattle has not scored an offensive touchdown in the preseason, have they?

[Mike Wright]

I'm not sure.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think they have. They have not looked super good.

[Mike Wright]

I bulleted this, this game with two quick points. Stevie Johnson looks great, man. He just is getting open and making plays and then, and you watch Seattle. So lynch got the first three snaps, I think went to Lynch. It was a run, a dump to lynch and then a run and then they took him out and they were done. And then you watch the Seattle fence, Seattle offense go and you go. That's why they gave him $10 million.

[Jason Moore]

I've heard a lot in the last few weeks about how about how bad the Seattle offensive line is and it is amazing that they don't appear bad when Marshawn lynch is in the game. I mean, it's not. I mean, he just burst through. He's like his own offensive line. He's honestly like, he's, he is his lead blocker. He just burst through. Everyone, you know, he's definitely still got it.

[Mike Wright]

So.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, no doubt. All right, let's talk Bills and Steelers. Martavis Bryant, despite the suspension, he didn't let it get him down.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man, he's really good.

[Andy Holloway]

No. Er on the field. From our Tavis Bryant.

[Mike Wright]

And I want to have a quick note for people listening. With Bryant, it's just a four game suspension. I moved him down to my rankings because that's, you have to project, adjust and I didn't highlight him. Right. You normally, you can highlight some guys in the bottom who have tremendous upside so you remember to pick those guys.

[Andy Holloway]

So you're talking about in your draft last night on your draft board.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, I'm sorry. I was getting Ahead of myself. Yeah. So in your draft board, make sure you highlight him to start thinking about him, because when he comes back. If he comes back. But when he comes back, he's going to be great.

[Andy Holloway]

He is going to make a difference to that entire offense.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

If you have Big Ben right now, or even possibly Antonio Brown, you might not be super happy with week one and two. I mean, they might be fine, but just remember why you drafted them. You didn't draft Big Ben to be the quarterback of a team without Martavis Bryant and without Le'Veon Bell.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Big Ben, by week three could be on the waivers, and that's a great time to pick them up.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Especially if somebody got them late and they're playing somebody else that they like. So let's go through two quick other games for the Bills. They obviously, every quarterback there was almost perfect for the day.

[Jason Moore]

You know who was great there? I'll pass. But.

[Andy Holloway]

But, yeah, they use the tight end. Charles Clay got a big touchdown. The offense moved the ball. The defense is going to be great. Jets. Giants.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that man. You were hoping that week three, like, okay, this is. This is the moment that we can get some clarity on the Giants running backs. And they pooped all over that for us fantasy players. And they said, this is a mess.

[Andy Holloway]

No clarity.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Because all three had their moments where they really shined. And it says to me that if.

[Andy Holloway]

I didn't put them in. You said Falcons. You both said Freeman. Cowboys, you guys were split. Randall and McFadden. Browns, you said who?

[Jason Moore]

Cruell Crowell.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And so what do you say for the Giants?

[Mike Wright]

Rashad Jennings is starting. If by starting you mean who's taking the very first snap of the game?

[Andy Holloway]

I mean who you're. Who you would start if you had three. All three on your bench. That was the question.

[Mike Wright]

I misunderstood the question.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. If you had these guys on your bench, who do you put out there?

[Jason Moore]

Week one, I would still do Jennings.

[Mike Wright]

Andre Williams.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. So, yeah, it's still a mess there. The jets, they look all right. Chris Ivory looks good. Brandon Marshall's getting targets. They have a good defense. Like, I like the Jets.

[Jason Moore]

I am really intrigued by the jets this year because I have a tendency to look at them as not a good. Not a great team. But I'm looking at them and I'm like, well, I really like their defense and I really like some of their offensive weapons. And I. And I'm starting to wonder, like, I'm. I'm intrigued. I'm really curious to see what. What You've got here. Also interesting note, Eric Decker was returning, was returning punts and even though he muffed one, if you get yards in a, in your league for punt returns, that gives him a boost and he's already a valuable target for where he's going. So I like him. Chris Ivory looked good and there was a Zach Stacy sighting that little screen.

[Andy Holloway]

Pass where he jumped over the guy at the end.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but interesting to note they took, they only had Chris Ivory in the game for part of the first quarter and then took him out. That's why you saw those other guys, they're. They're resting him that he's going to be their workhorse.

[Andy Holloway]

Alright, last game to talk about here before we move on to the mailbag is the Lions and Jaguars game. TJ Eldon got his first opportunities with the Jaguars. He certainly didn't get much on the ground. That's a pretty stout front. Didn't look special on the ground. He did catch us, catch a pass, put an open field move. That looked pretty good. He scored a touchdown. Any initial impressions on Yelden?

[Mike Wright]

He didn't look special but the offensive line I think is very, very upgraded from what they had last year. But with the upgrade is you have a bunch of new guys playing together. An offensive line is a unit. They need time to cohesion to meld to each other and know what the strengths and weaknesses of your brothers are. You know, what is this guy going to do in this situation once they get all that locked in? I think Yelden could be good.

[Andy Holloway]

And from the Lions side, golden Tate, man, when.

[Mike Wright]

As soon as Calvin goes off the field, it's golden date time.

[Jason Moore]

When Calvin's not there. He is, He's a top 12 wide receiver for sure.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And he's, he's good.

[Jason Moore]

One other note on this game, we couldn't, we would be doing a disservice if we didn't mention how good Blake Bortles looked. Standing in the pocket is a vanilla defense. And that's the one thing we've got to caution ourselves with. You know, he wasn't tricked, he wasn't seeing, you know, crazy designs to get those interceptions. But when it came to a regular defense, he was cutting up the field. Strike after strike, perfectly on target. Looked like he had command and he had some good runs too.

[Andy Holloway]

So you don't draft a guy that high that you, you expect him to make a leap season by season.

[Jason Moore]

Well, he looked bad last year. He looked nothing, nothing like last year. So yeah, I would say that gives.

[Mike Wright]

Us and There was. There was also the. I don't know if you guys got the tweets of the fantasy repo. Fantasy reaper. People were worried about Alan Robinson.

[Andy Holloway]

Every injury in the NFL is a fantasy reaper sighting.

[Jason Moore]

Somehow you took Fred Jackson from me, Andy.

[Andy Holloway]

This is like the boy who cried wolf or something. You got to save this situation for when I've talked about a guy because I didn't look up the number, but I'm guessing it's in the thousands of players that get hurt every year in the NFL.

[Jason Moore]

Well, you know what?

[Andy Holloway]

Or hundreds.

[Mike Wright]

He was. He was okay. He was okay.

[Jason Moore]

He's okay. I appreciate it. Foot Clan, we, our listeners, you guys are very entertaining to us. Thank you guys for all your. All your tweets and everything. If you guys want to actually help be a part of this, you know, we talk about our Foot Clan all the time. If you want to be, you know, known as an official Foot Clan member and part of the show and help us out, you can go to jointhefoot.com and you can actually help us over at Patreon. There's a lot of cool. We're spending a lot of our time at Patreon with our patrons. So check that out. Jointhefoot.com We've got an exclusive episode up there on the top 10 mistakes people are making. That is only for our Patreon.

[Andy Holloway]

Is any of those drafting Fred Jackson?

[Jason Moore]

That was number 11, but we cut it out.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

It was trading for mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

Laughing all the way to the bank with that one. All right.

[Mike Wright]

The best part of this is I think we all like Vincent Jackson, but Jason was like, he was the tip of the spear of Vincent Jackson on this show.

[Andy Holloway]

How many times. Let me ask you this. How many times have you gotten a question from a listener of this show via email and answered in the affirmative about, you know, talking up Vincent Jackson?

[Jason Moore]

Probably 30 or 40 times. And that's why I drafted him. I put my money where my mouth was.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, did you wanted him on there? You've said that on the radio. You've said that here.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I like. I like Vincent Jackson. His value is great this year and I would be happy to have him back. Mike, what do you say? Will you give me Vincent Jackson back and I will give you Fred Jackson?

[Andy Holloway]

He could go somewhere, just trade backsies. This will be great. When the best part about a podcast is like, something's going to happen today. And lately on this show, something happens.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Immediately after that will. Like an hour after the show, he's gonna Resign with the Bills and this will all be moot. That's what'll happen.

[Jason Moore]

So I will be happy.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's answer a question from the listeners. I like the questions coming in now because we got trade questions. People have rosters. There's some new stuff going on. Trey in Santa Maria, California said with Trey Mason. Wait, wait.

[Mike Wright]

Is Trey Mason asking a question about himself?

[Andy Holloway]

He could be. I really don't know because he didn't give his last name. With Trey Mason questionable for week one, should I drop him and take a flyer on time? Montgomery or Stevie Johnson? What do you say?

[Jason Moore]

He says his running backs right now, Jeremy Hill, Mark Ingram, Frank Gore. So he doesn't have a need. You know, a lot of times people who have Trey Mason, they have that need because they drafted Le'Veon Bell here. I would, I would drop him because I don't think he's going to be of value to you with those running backs you have and pick up someone like Stevie Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

I would not drop him because the wide receiver core here looks fine. If you're going to do it, I would take Stevie, but I always like to just have running backs just stockpiled on my bench.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You know, looking at his roster, I didn't read his wide receivers. I agree. But I think there might be a better value in at running back that maybe you could drop Trey Mason and pick up a different. Pick up a Cameron Artist Payne or someone who will have more value as the year goes on versus just value in the first few games.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Dave from Morehead, Minnesota said during his keeper draft this weekend he chose to draft Jordy Nelson in the ninth round.

[Jason Moore]

Sorry, bro.

[Andy Holloway]

His plan is to put him on. No, this was. I think that was on purpose. Ninth round. He wants to put him on the IR spot and keep them all year so he will only cost a seventh round pick next year. Pretty smart. Yeah, I think. Is this a good idea?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. A lot of people have been asking this for keeper leagues. When do I take Jordy and if you can get him in the ninth and so he's now a seventh round keeper for you next year. That's home run, man.

[Andy Holloway]

We had a guy draft Kelvin Benjamin with his last pick last night. We have a three keeper league just to throw him on IR just because maybe he needs them the next year. I don't know if I'd keep Kelvin, but Noah in Ocean City says is giving up Frank Gore and Delaney Walker for Travis Kelsey too much.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. Don't you think?

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

I do yes, we like Kelsey a ton. But there is a line, my friends.

[Mike Wright]

When the reason Frank Gore can be an RB one. Yeah, if.

[Andy Holloway]

If.

[Mike Wright]

At worst for this year, Frank Gore is a middle tier RB2.

[Andy Holloway]

Right?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. If somebody asked me this question and I could interact with them, I'd be saying, okay, what does your roster look like before? I mean, Frank Gore is your RB4 for some reason because of your league or an RB3 and you need Kelsey. I don't know. I probably still don't do it, but. But at least some context would help. Javier in Cooper City, Florida said he just sent a trade and wanted to know what we think he would be giving up. Carlos Hyde for Melvin Gordon and Steve Smith senior.

[Jason Moore]

Are you sure it's not Xavier?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, no, I'm not sure.

[Mike Wright]

You are what it. The master of pronunciation.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I don't know. What was the question? I'm sick. I get a free pass.

[Mike Wright]

Carlos Hyde for Gordon and Steve Smith.

[Andy Holloway]

Senor I, he has Calvin Hopkins and Evans on his team. Devonte, Adams, Aguilar, Alan Robinson. Probably. No, I probably just don't do it because I don't need Steve Smith.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And straight up Carlos Hyde from Alvin Gordon. I probably take Hyde.

[Mike Wright]

So I'll take the upside of Hyde.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think both have upside, but I'm taking the ridiculous.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they both, they have equal upside. I think Hyde's floor is lower or his. His floor is higher because that was.

[Andy Holloway]

Just a confusing mess all the way through.

[Jason Moore]

But I would not do it because he doesn't need Steve Smith.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm with you. Let's stay with Hyde. Brandon in Syracuse, New York just recently completed our PPR draft on Friday. Here's some guys that went undrafted that he's intrigued by. Brandon Coleman, Tyler Ifert. He currently has Philip Dorsett and Owen Daniels on his roster. So would you recommend him hitting the waiver wire before the season and picking up either of those guys?

[Mike Wright]

Eifert? I think I would do it because I like Ifert more than Owen Daniels. But that's so washy. You know, Owen Daniels could be great. I agree with Jason. Had the point during our tight end show that Owen Daniels can be very good in that offense because he's the guy all the, all the snaps are going to. Owen Daniels. There was, there was The Owen Daniels vs. Virgil Green kind of debate for a while and that is completely put to rest. It is Owen Daniels. So I don't mind just holding on to not making a move. But Brandon Coleman, I would actually, I would Put Brandon Coleman on my team.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I want to share a little story from the draft last night. If I had a. If I had a drop for fantasy confessions, that that would be what I hit right now. So this just shows what can happen in a draft, even to the people telling you what to do. I get to. I have Julio Jones on my team. He's one of my keepers. I get to about the sixth round in a keeper league, so seventh, eighth round, and Matt Ryan's staring at me, and there's a ton of other quarterbacks I like on the board, and I was tantalized by the idea of just combining Matt Ryan and Julio Jones, and I struggled with it for minute after minute after minute. And finally, after Mike played some Vanilla Ice music in the corner of the draft room, I took Matt Ryan and instantly regretted my decision for the next three or four rounds.

[Jason Moore]

You needed that running back at that time, right?

[Andy Holloway]

I did. And it was just a. It was a bad decision that grew out of, like, the emotional tie of having that combo. And luckily, at least in my opinion, I salvaged it, because what I did was I traded Matt Ryan like, two rounds later along with another draft pick and drafted Sam Bradford later in the draft. But it just goes to show that doesn't matter. The situation. I mean, everything changes in the. In the draft. And for me, Matt Ryan looked really, really juicy. And I went against almost everything I've said about waiting on a quarterback in our main league just because of wanting that combination, because of the fandom.

[Mike Wright]

I think it's a perfect example of have you make your plan before the emotions are high because, yeah, it's. It's kind of a silly thing that we. We all get very emotional in charge during a draft, and then we start doing that music.

[Andy Holloway]

That music was so good.

[Mike Wright]

We start doing rash things. But if you. If you know what you're doing going into the draft and just remember, okay, I had this for a reason. That this is. These are kind of guidelines I wanted to follow. I don't mind reaching here and there, but especially on quarterback, if you know that there are so many quarterbacks left, don't do it.

[Jason Moore]

And there's always on waiver that.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, it was. Yeah, it was ridiculous. Like, it was an instant regret. I put the name in and I'm going, what was that?

[Jason Moore]

But, you know, one of our draft tips that we have for people that. That you showed and I. And I showed as well, even though my Fred Jackson didn't work out because he got cut thing is that just because you draft a guy higher once, once that's over where he got drafted makes no difference. And you can't put that value to guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Fix it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, fix what you got to fix. And don't just hold on to guys because you drafted them high. Do what's best for your team. Always. It doesn't matter.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, wait. This would be a good time to say that I, I did all that on purpose to show you the kind of mistake you can make during a.

[Jason Moore]

Draft and how you can, how you can overcome it immediately.

[Mike Wright]

Like an after school special.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So, hey, thanks for listening to the show. We'll be back here tomorrow so you can tune right back in. Get some more news, notes and information in the fantasy world. Visit us on TwitterFFballers. Thanks for listening.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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