Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Rankings Rundown, Listener Questions, News

Summary

Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Rankings Rundown, Listener Questions, News
Release Date: June 9, 2015
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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1. Introduction and Personal Banter

The episode begins with the familiar banter among the hosts, setting a lighthearted tone for the discussion.

• Mike Wright [00:28]: "It's gonna be a very good show today. I'm feeling good."
• Jason Moore [00:38]: "Oh, man, it's been a rough day. Rough day yesterday."

Jason shares a personal anecdote about a tough day, infusing humor and camaraderie into the conversation.

2. Rankings Rundown

Mike Wright introduces his updated rankings, sparking a detailed analysis among the trio. The focus primarily revolves around quarterbacks, running backs, and wide receivers, with each host providing their perspectives.

A. Quarterback Rankings

Mike presents his top 10 quarterbacks, sparking discussion on various players' performances and potential.

• Mike Wright [15:21]: "Aaron Rodgers at number one, Andrew Luck at number two... Eli Manning at six."

The hosts delve into Eli Manning's ranking, debating his potential resurgence under a new offensive system.

• Andy Holloway [16:31]: "The new offensive system we all saw last year... I think he's going to sling it all over the place and have a fantastic year."
• Jason Moore [17:56]: "That does concern me. The way that they play and the way that Eli performs under pressure... I still believe in Randall."

Discussion highlights the strategic decisions behind keeping or dropping certain quarterbacks based on health, offensive systems, and past performance.

B. Running Back Rankings

Mike's adjustments to the running back rankings generate debate, particularly regarding Latavius Murray and T.J. Yeldon.

• Mike Wright [24:10]: "Eddie Lacy at number one, Adrian Peterson up to number two..."
• Jason Moore [26:35]: "None."
• Andy Holloway [26:12]: "He's going to feast."

The hosts weigh in on the reliability and potential of veterans like Adrian Peterson and rising stars like Justin Forsett, discussing workload, system fit, and injury history.

• Jason Moore [26:39]: "I've been listening to a lot of... but I feel like year after year, but... Amir Abdullah..."
• Andy Holloway [28:32]: "The offensive line was a top unit."

C. Wide Receiver Rankings

Mike's wide receiver rankings include top names like Jordy Nelson and Antonio Brown, with notable discussions on Calvin Johnson's health and performance.

• Mike Wright [36:20]: "You're not going to put the ball in four sets hands around the goal line..."
• Jason Moore [37:03]: "I have them there at number four again."

The trio analyzes the balance between established stars and emerging talents, emphasizing the importance of target volume and offensive roles.

3. News and Notes

The hosts cover recent news impacting fantasy football, including player fitness and team strategies.

• Martavis Bryant's Physique:

  • Andy Holloway [05:38]: "Martavis Bryant has added 10 pounds of muscle to his physique."
  • Mike Wright [06:03]: "10 pounds of muscle is going to help Marty McBride be a beast."

• Odell Beckham Jr.'s Injury:

  • Jason Moore [07:05]: "I don't want the risk of certain players... Demarius Thomas vs. ODB."
  • Mike Wright [07:24]: "He's still great and he'll still be a very accurate quarterback."

• Marcus Mariota's Fantasy Value:

  • Jason Moore [09:04]: "He has very very little... no chance that he puts up good numbers."
  • Andy Holloway [09:25]: "He's 3 and 25 in his last 28 games. How does that guy have a job?"

These updates provide listeners with crucial information to adjust their draft strategies and team management.

4. Listener Questions (Mailbag Section)

The hosts address various listener inquiries, offering personalized advice on trade decisions, keeper strategies, and draft picks.

A. Trade and Keeper Decisions

• Chad from Jacksonville [46:15]:
  Trade Proposal: Trade the number one overall pick for a lower pick and select leverage to keep Le'Veon Bell in the 10th round.
  Keeper Question: Keep Latavius Murray or Joseph Randall in the 15th round.

  • Mike Wright [47:30]: "I would do the trade because we don't know if Love Bell's suspension is going to get knocked down a little bit."
  • Jason Moore [47:30]: "I would do the trade."

  For the keeper question:

  • Mike Wright [47:45]: "For me, it's Joseph Randall. Absolutely."
  • Jason Moore [48:08]: "I have a lot of hard time for my Yelden love."

B. Draft Strategies

• E from the Listener Base [48:15]:
  Question: Strategies for drafting wide receivers and identifying late-round value players.

  • Andy Holloway [49:08]: "Alan Robinson, target monster."
  • Jason Moore [49:12]: "Marquis Colston is some guy that I would keep a lookout for."

  The hosts suggest focusing on depth and leveraging the relative scarcity of high-performing wide receivers in later rounds to maximize team strength.

C. Specific Player Advice

• Daniel G. from a 12-Team Keeper League [58:13]:
  Question: Running backs with potential to develop into studs for keeper leagues.

  • Mike Wright [58:13]: "Tevin Coleman."
  • Jason Moore [58:35]: "Amir Abdullah."

  They emphasize the importance of workload and system fit, recommending players who have demonstrated consistent performance and potential for increased usage.

5. Notable Insights and Takeaways

Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the importance of balancing player potential with reliability, considering factors like injury history, offensive systems, and role within the team. They encourage listeners to remain adaptable and informed, using updated rankings and news to make strategic decisions.

• Jason Moore [17:05]: "I think Jason won. So hashtag Jason1 at the end of the year, because that's what it matters."
• Mike Wright [09:04]: "Do not sleep on Vernon Davis this year."

6. Conclusion

The episode wraps up with final thoughts on upcoming drafts, reminders to engage with the podcast through social media, and light-hearted farewells among the hosts.

• Mike Wright [66:15]: "Don't forget to visit us on the web at www.thefantasyfootballers.com and follow us on Twitter @theFFballers."
• Jason Moore [66:19]: "Thank you for listening to another edition of the Fantasy Footballers podcast."

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This episode provides a comprehensive overview of the 2015 fantasy football landscape, offering listeners expert analysis on player rankings, strategic advice for drafts and keeper leagues, and the latest news affecting player performance. Whether you're a seasoned fantasy manager or a newcomer, the insights shared by Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright are invaluable for building a competitive team.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Foreign.

[Jason Moore]

To the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

Welcome to the show, everybody. It is the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. It is Tuesday, June 9th. I am Andy Holloway. I'm joined by Mike the fantasy hitman. Right. And Jason Moore.

[Andy Holloway]

What's going on, Paul? Party people.

[Mike Wright]

It's gonna be a very good show today. I'm feeling good. My quick question for the day, however, is, Jason, are you okay?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man, it's been a rough day. Rough day yesterday.

[Mike Wright]

How much can you share?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well, this is gonna be a clean show, but yesterday I spent all of the day in my bed, with the exception of all the minutes I was not in the bed. I was in front of or on a toilet. No. No bueno. Stuff in the streets. So, guys, during this podcast, I would not. Kiss me on the mouth. That's gonna be tough for your own sanity.

[Mike Wright]

That's gonna be.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll hold back just today, though.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Do we have final word on the Tannehill Cam Newton fantasy face?

[Andy Holloway]

I did not do a final calculation.

[Mike Wright]

I assumed you would have if you think you won.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, yeah, I did. I just don't have the final count.

[Mike Wright]

It was pretty.

[Andy Holloway]

I stopped counting.

[Mike Wright]

It was pretty split, though. I mean, it wasn't overwhelming. And, you know, Jason cried at me all week about not getting enough airtime for his side of the story. You felt like Mike had more time than you. Do you want to finish anything about.

[Jason Moore]

No, no. Well, yeah, here's where I'm going to finish. I'm going to finish at the end of the year on top, and then everyone can just be like, oh, Jason won. So hashtag Jason1 at the end of the year, because that's what it matters.

[Mike Wright]

That's good. We got a good show. We're going to. We're going to walk through Mike's initial rankings. He updated those today so we just can ask him some questions. We just going to ask him some questions and he going to answer. And we got.

[Andy Holloway]

We got a good show.

[Mike Wright]

I'm excited. We got some news and notes we're going to cover. We got a bunch of questions from the listeners. Appreciate those. A lot of good questions. So, Jason, I hope your brain's really sharp today.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man, you know that I've got to be on point since I have nothing in my belly.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. So, by the way, we're going out for three by threes after. Let's read a review. Let's read a review. Once I turn on. There we go.

[Jason Moore]

Review a source, Rex. This one comes in from Montoya55. The review is titled Double Stuffed. He says, hands down, the best source for fantasy football and a little comedy. All of your advice is spot on. Except Jason, about Cam Newton. Tannehill is better. He says wrongly. If you read my. If you read my review, I will make my team. Oh, the Double Stuffed Oreos. And give all the credit to you guys when I win my league. Well, the Double Stuffed Oreos.

[Mike Wright]

Boom.

[Andy Holloway]

You've been named.

[Jason Moore]

You have been.

[Mike Wright]

I couldn't help but.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you just wanted to throw me under the bus, right?

[Mike Wright]

Well, there was. Yeah, it was double. There was a double meaning. I wanted his team name, the Double Stuffed Oreos. And I wanted you to have to read what his comment was.

[Jason Moore]

The title was Double Stuffed. He's got it going.

[Mike Wright]

Were you awake enough to get your Game of Thrones on?

[Jason Moore]

Yes, that's true. I still did get my Game of Thrones on. I mean, nothing's gonna get in the way of that.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well, true story.

[Jason Moore]

And.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I know.

[Jason Moore]

I know we save the spoilers till Thursday, and I won't spoil anything here, but I hate Stannis.

[Andy Holloway]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Mike Wright]

I'm just saying, just in general. No, that's.

[Jason Moore]

No, that's just my opinion on a man. Whoa. Could I say. Could I say that I love Daenerys?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Jason Moore]

So why can't I say I hate Stannis?

[Mike Wright]

Everyone loves Daenerys.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's.

[Jason Moore]

That's a. I hope he gets Ramseyed. That's all I'm saying.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's read some news and notes.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league.

[Mike Wright]

Mike, did you. Oh, did you like the fact that the drop was full volume?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I appreciated that.

[Mike Wright]

That you could hear that. Our audio engineer. I am not doing well at the beginning of the show because I didn't even give our Twitter handle at the ffballers. I didn't give our website the fancy footballers.com. our Facebook page. Facebook.com the fantasy footballers. I didn't tell people that they could call us and ask us a question at 302 464TFFB. And when I thanked our Montoya 55, I didn't ask any of our listeners to drop us an itunes review.

[Andy Holloway]

So review and subscribe. Yeah, we really appreciate it. It helps the show out, get some exposure.

[Mike Wright]

It's actually been great. We've been moving up the charts and people seem to enjoy the show. And that, you know, that makes it worth it. Honestly, that's why we're doing it, is because people Are enjoying the content. And so, yeah, just.

[Jason Moore]

Just as off season, we have over a hundred thousand downloads. Thank you, listeners.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we hit that mark today. So we really appreciate all the feedback on the show, all the questions, all the hilarious tweets that we've been receiving. Most of them around Martavis Bryant. Oh, man.

[Andy Holloway]

That's in our news, right?

[Mike Wright]

It's not news that he worked out in the offseason.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's the news. Here's the news. Real quick. I'm pulling an audible and I'm throwing it in. All right, go aheadavis. Bryant has added 10 pounds of muscle to his. His physique. No.

[Mike Wright]

Are you with me on this, Jason?

[Jason Moore]

I'm mostly with you. Although the picture.

[Andy Holloway]

That's fine. That's fine news. I like to hear wide receivers have put on muscle, running backs have lost weight. Those are things that I really like to hear. And Martavis Bryant, that's. That was the one knock on his game was. Maybe he's too frail not for.

[Mike Wright]

Not physical enough.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, because in the NFL, there's, there's really not many guys who can completely pull away from the defense because everyone in the NFL is fast. You have to be able to go up and out body people and get the catch. And 10 pounds of muscle is going to help Marty McBride be a beast.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. You have him. Speaking of your rankings, I believe you had him 17.

[Andy Holloway]

Is he that high now?

[Mike Wright]

He is. You have him 17 on your wide receiver rank.

[Andy Holloway]

No shame with that.

[Mike Wright]

I had lots of questions about your rankings, and I almost brought that one up, but went up a spot per pound is how he tallied that pretty much. Another rookie, the rookie of the year last year, Odell Beckham Jr. We talked about him on Thursday having maybe some hamstring troubles. Now the report is that he may be shelved until training camp. Gross.

[Jason Moore]

Gross.

[Mike Wright]

It's not what you want to hear. A guy who missed the first few games last year, obviously he was exceptional when he was on the field. And if he's healthy, he's great. But this is exactly why a month and a half ago we were. When we went through our wide receiver rankings the first time, we were all holding back on him.

[Jason Moore]

So would you subscribe to this logic if somebody says, well, but Andy, he missed the first few games last year and then came on and finished as the number three. So, so what if he. Even if he misses the first three games this year, because basically, if you could draft him last year knowing he's going to miss the first few games.

[Mike Wright]

No, I would Call. I would tell that person they're an idiot.

[Jason Moore]

Why?

[Mike Wright]

Because that's just. It happened one time and injuries aren't repeatable in the exact same form every single time they happen. And I mean, I see the same kind of logic, I guess, with something like, oh, you know, Eddie Lacy, he had a couple concussions and he came on strong, but you don't kind of, you know, roll the dice that many times and succeed. And I just don't want the fear of. I mean, I'm not saying I'm not drafting odb. I'd love him on my team. Everybody would. But when you compare risk of certain players. Do I want demarius Thomas?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Do you want someone with an injured hamstring or someone with.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's all it is. And he might be fine. He probably will be. All the reports are saying, oh, you know, he'll be fine for camp. But two off seasons, two hamstring injuries, I'm just bringing it out and we need to pay attention to it. Because if you're making a decision now, you know, between a demarius Thomas and a ODB as a keeper, I don't know I'm leaning the side of health. I hate having guys go down.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I agree that with the hamstring issue, that is a big problem. We saw what happened with the Arian Foster mri, if we remember this. He tweeted out the picture of the lack of awesome or what. I don't remember what he called it.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, he got a little heat for that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he did. But it just hamstring issues. They keep coming back. And they keep coming back.

[Mike Wright]

Titans news Marcus Mariota is looking good. I bring this up because we did have a question that listener wrote in about kind of how we view Marcus Mariota. They said he impressed with arm strength, impressed with his confidence, running the offense. I mean, it's a better report than rookie came in and looked like Geno Smith from last year. So what. What is the fantasy value of Marcus Mariota?

[Andy Holloway]

He's. Because he has upside because of his legs. But it's hard to really believe that Ken Wizen Hunt can take. Take a talent like that and just change his entire system to fit that guy. I can't remember the stat. I was telling you.

[Mike Wright]

I was just about to ask you what is the. What is the win loss of. I was in high.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't have it right in front of you.

[Mike Wright]

3 and 25.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that what it is?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's what it was. He's 3 and 25 in his last 28 games.

[Andy Holloway]

How does that guy have a job?

[Mike Wright]

How does bad don't stop recycling.

[Andy Holloway]

Coaches get new brains in there. 3 and 25. Yeah, that's preposterous.

[Jason Moore]

I think Mariota has very, very little. I mean, he has no value in a redraft league. I don't think that there's any chance that he. That he puts up good numbers on the Tennessee Titans as a rookie under Ken Wizen Hunt. That's my view. Maybe in a dynasty he can develop into something. But even before this year's draft, I pretty much was down on Mariota. So you don't see based on his skills, unless he went to the Philadelphia.

[Mike Wright]

You don't see Tebow type.

[Jason Moore]

No value.

[Andy Holloway]

Mr. Runner. Mariota's got running value.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, so now we're on opposite sides.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm asking you.

[Mike Wright]

No, I don't think he's saying you're on the same side because you were all for Cam. What's the difference between Cam Newton and Marcus Mariota?

[Jason Moore]

That Cam Newton is going to be able to run for 650 yards and you think Mario 67 touchdowns this year. And I don't think Mario to will. That's what I'm saying.

[Mike Wright]

Interesting.

[Jason Moore]

And also the news out of a camp that says that their number two picked quarterback is impressing is not news. And comes out every year. Came out last year from the Jaguars. I mean, Blake Bortles is looking great in camp. Of course. Of course you're going to say that.

[Mike Wright]

I got a sleeper alert here for you. I brought this out in the news because I wanted to talk about him a little bit because somebody in the Saints offense is going to contribute because they've lost Jimmy Graham, they've lost Kenny Stills. And so it looks like Nick Tune has the front runner. You know, he's the front runner to serve as the number three this year behind Colston, behind Cooks. And you know, Colson's getting up there a little bit. Breeze knows how to sling the ball. I think there's value with whoever plays that position. So I just wanted to bring his name to the surface a little bit because he's had a lot of potential in years past, but it's been a volume issue because he just can't get on the field enough. He'll come on on the field, he'll make a couple plays and he's off the field again.

[Andy Holloway]

Now Nick Tune. I'm trying. The memory's a little foggy. Was he the guy who got cut last year?

[Mike Wright]

No, he Wasn't. No, no, no.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

No, he's not.

[Andy Holloway]

There was because there was that when. When Peyton went insane and they were having the meetings and he was having the one on one meetings and somebody got cut.

[Mike Wright]

No, that wasn't there.

[Andy Holloway]

And he got re signed eventually.

[Mike Wright]

No, I don't think that was him.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, I'll look dumb if it was, but I don't think it was. You can check on that.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll try.

[Mike Wright]

And look, I also wanted to bring up another name that we haven't talked a lot about this offseason out of Redskins camp. ESPN's Brit McHenry reports. The Redskins are doing a lot more to incorporate Pierre Garcon. He's now filling the Z role in the offense. Instead of the Y from last year, which in Gruden's offense in Washington that is actually the predominant role. The Z roll is the highest volume role and obviously we knew Garcon is a high volume type of receiver that can do a lot of damage. What are your thoughts on Pierre Garcon? Is he being kind of an afterthought for people because of a down year?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, for sure.

[Mike Wright]

I think because of the quarterback situation.

[Jason Moore]

I think less than the, I mean the quarterback situation plays in. I think that that though is more an indication of what happened last year. What's interesting about Pierre Garcon is for the last several years, pretty much his whole career after he's been a rookie, even back when he was on the Colts, he. He's had the exact same efficiency rating. So on his targets he does the same thing. And so his entire difference between his good years and his bad years is one thing and it's targets. And so if this is actually a way to get him more involved and get more targets, then I think that there could be a value to where he's being drafted right now because he's fallen by the complete wayside.

[Mike Wright]

I last year was a carousel, right. For the Washington quarterback situation. You had your boy Kirk played, McCoy played. But I've always liked the rapport if you can like, you know, RG3 behind center. Him and Garcon have been able to connect in that intermediate route type of thing. Plays break down. Use your legs. So keep your eye on Garcon. I don't know exactly where he'll be. I didn't look at your rankings to see where he was.

[Jason Moore]

I think he's in the 50s on you. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Wow.

[Mike Wright]

I'm just low. I was.

[Andy Holloway]

Last year was really disappointing. I'm a big Pierre Garcon guy. I like watching him play. He's a very exciting player. I just. I have very little faith in what's going on in Washington. And Joe Morgan. That's what I was thinking of.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I knew it wasn't tuned because he's. Remember, they liked him, but. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[Jason Moore]

It's 47, by the way, Pierre Garcon on your list?

[Mike Wright]

Well, yeah, keep him in mind. See what camp looks like. See what our G3 looks like. Want to remind you guys that if. If you play on FanDuel, you can use our promo code. Ballers. Ballers. You know, there's a show on HBO coming out called Ballers.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I just. It's been.

[Jason Moore]

Actually looks pretty. Pretty good.

[Mike Wright]

I just read like that HBO used the Dolphins name and insignia without permission.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, wow.

[Andy Holloway]

That's not good.

[Mike Wright]

But they're also the one that puts on Hard Knocks, so you'd think the relationship with the NFL is pretty good.

[Jason Moore]

So they might already have.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I'm thinking. And no, but no comment from the Dolphins thus far, according to Mike Florio, the storymaker. Also, check out fantasydraftwizard.com Lots of listeners have been doing free mock drafts there. You can hop on, do a mock draft in about 10 minutes. Go ahead and tweet us the mock draft. We're happy to tell you what we think of the team. Maybe guys we like, don't like.

[Jason Moore]

I share my. My mocks with you guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you do.

[Jason Moore]

And I really liked my last month. Apparently. I want the eighth spot.

[Mike Wright]

I think you got. What was the guy that you got in like, the six or seven? You got Joe Randall in, like, the six.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. That's ridiculous.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. It's not.

[Mike Wright]

More. More reports about Joe Randall coming out this week, too.

[Andy Holloway]

More underwear stolen?

[Mike Wright]

No, actually, starter, like this guy was saying for the last two months. All right, let's get into the. Yeah, well, you know, that's my job. Every once in a while you should.

[Andy Holloway]

Have hit him with it. Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

Let's dig into your rankings a little. Mike, you ready for this? I'm going to go ahead and take a look at the quarterbacks and read your top 10 out. Right now you have Aaron Rodgers at number one, Andrew Luck at number two. Boy, that's really out there. Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan at number three, Russell Wilson at four, Peyton Manning at five, Eli Manning at six.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Ryan Tannehill at seven, Big Ben at eight, Drew Brees all the way down at nine, and Carson Palmer at ten.

[Andy Holloway]

Believe It.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Well, you're. They're your rankings, so. Yeah. First thing that jumps out to me that I wanted to talk about with you guys is the Eli Manning question. I know we started out this offseason pretty high on him. You have him still at number six. So most experts have him out of that top 10, maybe at the right, at the corner, quarterback two line, number 12. So you have him higher than guys like Breeze. You have him hired in Tannehill. Tell me why you still are on the Eli Manning train. Obviously, there were a lot of indications that he's more comfortable in the offense, a lot of indications that he's got better weapons than he had last year.

[Andy Holloway]

And that's exactly it. The new offensive system we all saw last year. The Giants started off and they were a mess. That offense was not clicking at all. You could see as the year went on, Eli was getting more comfortable with the situation. ODB became a rookie sensation and Reuben Randle had by far his best year. That Reuben Randall, the guy who we've all been waiting for to finally pay off, who I still believe in Randall, and I've got him decently high, probably way higher than anybody else.

[Mike Wright]

He kind of got lost with ODB exploding.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

His good finish.

[Andy Holloway]

And if you look at Randall's last two games, they were both, I think, 150 plus yards, couple touchdowns. He just, he was awesome. Larry Donnell is still there there. They've added Shane Vereen in the passing game.

[Mike Wright]

Healthy Rashad Jennings as of now, and.

[Andy Holloway]

He'S great in the passing game. The. The actual running game is. Has not worked out so well for the Giants and they're going to have to throw. And I just, I really think the second year in the system, Eli's not going to have to think about it. Everyone sort of comes in healthy. I guess ODB is not as healthy, but I just, I really think he's going to sling it all over the place and have a fantastic year.

[Mike Wright]

Last week you reminded me during our injury review, we were going through the news they lost their tackle. Does that concern you, Jason, at all with Eli's performance, or is that something that you don't know?

[Jason Moore]

That is something that does concern me. The way that they play and the way that Eli performs under pressure or therefore doesn't perform under pressure is a little bit scary because I, you know, you know, a month or two ago, I think all three of us were pretty high on the Giants offense and Eli and what he could do. And I definitely think losing their left tackle and a great One at that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, well, he'll be back throughout the year because it wasn't a season ending injury. And the new offense is built upon short and intermediate passes. It's not the old school Giants where Eli Manning has to get six seconds in the pocket and unload. We're talking quick passes where he finds the guy, makes the read and makes the throw.

[Mike Wright]

So tell me this because are, you know, contrast that with where you have Drew Brees right now, which is at the number nine spot, probably the lowest that I've seen anywhere. A guy who's done it tried and true. Are you really going to be willing to take the plunge on Eli Manning ahead of Drew Brees in a draft?

[Andy Holloway]

I will simply because of value. I will readily admit that if I'm in a draft and I'm in something like the sixth round and Drew Brees is there, it might be difficult for me to not take him. But that, that's that instinctual name recognition and not reading into the team. Everything the team has done, they're showing that they want to change who they are. They want to change the reputation of the team. They want to be. They want to be a running team. They want Mark Ingram to pound the ball. Now, I guess you still have C.J. spiller, who's going to. Who's the new Darren Sprouls? Allegedly. With all the talk out of camp, I just think that the volume that Drew Brees has experienced in the past few years won't be nearly the same. He's still great and he'll still be a very accurate quarterback and I'd like him on my team. But I think that they're really going to shift to being a running team.

[Mike Wright]

And so you're. You think he's on the tail end of that elite fantasy production? Yeah, yeah. That would be a tough decision for me because he's still in that 2 to 5 range for a lot of experts.

[Andy Holloway]

But it's the same with Peyton Manning where a guy who it everything towards the end of the year. I mean I know he was injured, but they looked like they're going to run Kubiak. They're all talking run, run, run. And you just. The volume kind of freaks you out where Manning's volume has gone down drastically every year he's been in Denver.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I was going to ask you, would it have changed if Graham and Stills hadn't left?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Mike Wright]

So it's not just the offense is the weapons, Right? Right. Yeah. Jason, you and I were talking about this guy. You, you have him 18. He's somebody we haven't talked about enough. If you ask me, he's in my sleeper candidate list. Colin Kaepernick, you have him at 18. Like I said. Is he a guy you consider moving up at all? There are a lot of reasons that I like him this year. He's another guy who, like Tannehill, his numbers have mostly across the board improved as a quarterback every season he's played, believe it or not, especially important numbers like total yards and touchdowns from Kaepernick. Reports are his mechanics are visibly improved. He adds Torrey Smith, he adds Reggie Bush. He's on a team whose defense has been depleted, so there might be more of a shootout type of situation with him. And so the question I have is, and Jason, are you on the same page with me?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Do you like Kaepernick?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm on the same page as you. I don't know if I'd have him top 12. My rankings will be done soon, but I would have him higher than 18.

[Mike Wright]

And so, Mike, you have Bradford seven spots ahead of Kaepernick. And so my question is why Chip.

[Andy Holloway]

Kelly is the answer. Chip Kelly took Nick Foles, who I think we're going to learn this year is not a good quarterback, and he took Mark Sanchez, who historically was an awful quarterback when he was on the jets, and he turned them into fantasy superstars. Now, they weren't necessarily the greatest real life quarterbacks, but with the system that, that Kelly uses with the spread and they, they do run a lot, which I, that's part of what sets things up for those deep balls. And I think, I think they're going to be perfectly fine without Macklin with Jordan Matthews and now Aguilar coming in. And I agree.

[Mike Wright]

Even in a standard four point per touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

And still take Bradford ahead of Kaepernick.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. And don't forget about the two point conversion. That can, that. I don't, I don't think that can be ignored.

[Jason Moore]

You know, I completely agree because, you know who else that's great for Cam Newton.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, just throwing that. We talked about that. It's, it's very possible, but I don't know if that coaching staff is willing to go where I'm, I'm confident that Chip Kelly is willing to go for it.

[Mike Wright]

I like Kaepernick. I'm gonna, my rankings are being worked on at the moment and so I think Kaepernick's gonna be a little bit higher for me. I like the potential there. I think nobody's talking about him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And that's true. He still has Anquan Bolden. He still has. He's got Tori Smith, who I. You know, nobody loves Torrey Smith, but he ends the year as the top 24 in that range.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

There's fantasy producer.

[Jason Moore]

There's 12 guys that I'd rather have over him. So he's not that huge. But if you're in a 2QB system, he's the perfect type of guy where. For where you're getting him, I think he's going to produce, outproduce his value for sure.

[Mike Wright]

And do not sleep on Vernon Davis this year.

[Jason Moore]

I completely agree.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, no, no.

[Jason Moore]

Listen. No, no, no.

[Mike Wright]

Because the offense is changing.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And the offensive coordinator that they had the last two years is exactly the same time span that Vernon Davis sucked. And now he's gone and he's left town and gone over to the Bills and so now you get back to the time. Vernon Davis isn't that old and I completely agree. Don't sleep on him. I'm not sitting here saying he's going to be a top five tight end, but I just think.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, he might go from not being used at all to being used a little bit.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. If he has a good week one, I'll probably pick him up for sure.

[Mike Wright]

Let's turn over to your running backs. It looks like you've made a few changes since the last time we looked at these. Eddie lacy at number one, Adrian Peterson all the way up at number two, Jeremy Hill, number three, Le'Veon Bell down to four.

[Andy Holloway]

Which format are we reading here?

[Mike Wright]

Standard.

[Andy Holloway]

Standard.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, standard. Sorry. Marshawn lynch at 5. DeMarco Murray at 6. That's a bump up. Arian Foster at 7.

[Andy Holloway]

That is not a bump up for me, actually. That's a bump. I think one spot down.

[Mike Wright]

Murray. Yeah, he was at five before.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I've been high on Murray Charles at 8.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

And a big surprise to me. Justin for set at 9, Love for set. And Matt Forte at 10. I don't know how many people have four sets had a forte. I know you're not leaping to be contrarian for no reason here. So let's start with Lacey at number one. I think he was number one for all three of us last time we chatted. This is all under the idea that Lev Bell suspended for three games.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Which is still currently the situation. He. Does he come up in your rankings if that goes down to two or one game, does he jump over Jeremy Hill pro? He's got probably doesn't he?

[Andy Holloway]

Probably.

[Mike Wright]

So Lacey's number one. Is there any chance Peterson climbs all the way up to that number one spot?

[Andy Holloway]

That is. That is a possibility for me. I'm. I love Adrian Peterson. The guy has. The guy is as proven as you can possibly get with a running back. And the North Turner system, which he didn't really get to run in because he was not available to play last year. But we saw production from guys like Matt Aziato, who should not be producing on a fantasy level at all, but he is because he's getting so many catches. And Jerick McKinnon, though he didn't score, was having a good year on the ground. And when you take all that production, you give it to Adrian Peterson because he's going to be on the field the whole time. Teddy Bridgewater, his second year, an accurate quarterback. They're going to have to respect him. You can't just put eight in the box the entire time because Bridgewater to Charles Johnson or even Mike Wallace, because he can. He's still fast. He can still stretch the field. Agent Peterson is going to feast.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. AP is somebody who I tried to trade for one of my keeper leagues this. This week. I couldn't get the owner to budge because the excitement around him is immense. I don't blame him back. Everyone says he looks great in camp. I think you're going to. I mean, we said on Twitter last week he started rising up everybody's boards. Everybody's jumping on board. Did you have any thoughts on Peterson, Jay?

[Jason Moore]

No. I mean, Peterson is Peterson. I have thoughts on four set.

[Mike Wright]

My thoughts on the next question.

[Jason Moore]

My thoughts on four set are very much in line with Mike's thoughts on four set. I've been listening to a lot of, you know, other reports, other fantasy analysts who are down on four set.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, come on.

[Jason Moore]

I am like. I'm like, what in the world are you watching?

[Mike Wright]

I might be one of them.

[Jason Moore]

Well, okay, so what in the world are you thinking in the sense that here's a guy without a lot of miles on his tires who was a free agent, who they re signed and didn't draft a running back. Highly.

[Mike Wright]

They did no third round. No. Yes, they did.

[Jason Moore]

Buck Johnson, go look that up. I don't think he was third round. I thought he was like fifth round.

[Mike Wright]

He might have been fifth round. So it doesn't matter.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no. That does matter. It's a matter of investment what the team thinks of their running back situation beforehand. But here's the truth, is that he was stellar Last year he was already a top 12 running back.

[Mike Wright]

Sorry, did I say Buck Johnson? Yeah, I meant Buck Allen. Sorry.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's all right.

[Mike Wright]

Continue, continue.

[Jason Moore]

No, so he was an excellent, excellent running back. He averaged 5.4 yards of carry and now he's switching to the Tressman system as the lead back where his catches are going to go probably double. I honestly think he'll go because what.

[Andy Holloway]

Did he catch last year? He caught 44 passes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And so to say that he goes to 88. I mean forte caught 102 and justin forset is an excellent pass catcher. So now I'm not saying that he is guaranteed to go to 88, but here's what I do think. I think that his. I think that he is absolutely an ironclad lock to be in the, you know, in the top 15 running backs. So where he's being drafted right now, guys like these two guys are my favorite guys right now. Frank Gore, Justin Forset, they're getting no respect and they're dropping in ADPs. And I see both of them capable of finishing very high.

[Andy Holloway]

The offensive line was a top unit.

[Mike Wright]

I have no, I'm telling you right now, you don't have to convince me of the potential of the running back in the Raven system. They were a great unit. Like what you're saying.

[Andy Holloway]

They're all back.

[Mike Wright]

That was, that was my point. I had no problem with that. Here's what I know about Justin Forset. And last year he was thrust into the situation where he was the every down bat. He is not an every down bat. I know he performed for them. They don't see him as that. Okay. Maybe in PPR he is what you say he's going to be because I don't doubt he's going to catch a bunch of passes. But Buck Allen was a fourth round pick. He is a plus pass protector. Okay. He's known as being that. And he's got great hands. They love him. He was a solid between the tackles workhorse back in college. And you mix in now this intelli. Farrow is getting the goal line. You're not going to put the ball in four sets hands around the goal line when you have bigger backs necessarily. Especially if you, if you don't view him as an. It's just a risk to me. Yeah. I would never ever put him ahead of Forte. Not in a million years. When Forte gets all the balls out of the backfield and the goal line and gets. I mean, I know we're down on Forte, but that seems extreme to Me, yeah. But all that's why I'm on the other side of the coin. I love Trustman. I love the system but I just don't like what I think will definitely be a timeshare. I think there's no doubt.

[Andy Holloway]

I think 235Carry says that the Ravens think that Justin Forset isn't every down back.

[Mike Wright]

No, it says that guys got hurt and they had to shuffle guys around.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. But they had, they obviously they lost Ray Rice, but they had Bernard Pierce who was the heir to Ray Rice who the Ravens were very high on. He got outplayed by Justin for set. Taliaferra was a rookie so the and he was improving and then he got hurt. But Justin for set excelled. Jason said it 5.4 yards per carry on 235 carries. That's a massive volume of carries to average that high. And 44 catches. He Justin Forset is also an excellent pass blocker. Justin Forsett over his career has been a monster. He just has never received the opportunity.

[Mike Wright]

I agree with that.

[Andy Holloway]

He finally and he finally got the opportunity with the Ravens and he delivered. Why. Why would they possibly move on from that?

[Mike Wright]

I don't know. Denard Robinson delivered last year for the.

[Jason Moore]

Jaguars for a kind of not over 12, not, not over 16 games.

[Mike Wright]

I mean over a good part of the season. I'm just saying. No, the mental outlook of a guy like, like Denard Robinson is the same as four set for a lot of people.

[Andy Holloway]

Denard Robinson had two massive games and then went down every single game.

[Mike Wright]

But I'm saying most people think a guy of four set size isn't going to hold up to that type of carry load if they don't want him to have to. And I could be completely wrong if Buck Allen doesn't get what I think he'll get as a rookie, as a fourth round rookie, if he doesn't produce, if he fumbles, if he's just not being used. I mean, like you said, there's not big names behind for set and that's a good reason to love him. I think the line's good. That's a good reason to love him. They just don't have him ahead of forte.

[Andy Holloway]

The way they use Talia Farrow is a good example of that. If they have a rookie and they can work him in like Buck Allen, they're not just going to thrust him in. They're going to let him get used to things.

[Mike Wright]

I completely agree. There's no part of me that thinks Buck Allen's a starter Now a point.

[Jason Moore]

Of clarification here in your rankings, Mike. I assume that these rankings are based on stats. You stat a guys and then this is where you thought they were going to finish up. It's not necessarily where you would draft them, you know, Correct. Okay. So.

[Mike Wright]

And four sets your number five PPR back, which correct is very high because.

[Andy Holloway]

He'S going to catch a. I believe the correct term is buttload.

[Mike Wright]

You have him ahead of Jamal Charles buttload, which is surprising in ppr.

[Andy Holloway]

I didn't with Charles. Man, you want to love Charles, but every year Andy Reid just doesn't give him the. The proper volume that he deserves is the problem.

[Mike Wright]

Fair enough. Any concluding thoughts on Mr. Force that. I feel like there's got to be some sort of. Do we already have a four set bet? We do. We have that Latavius Murray bet. Oh, that's awesome. This is why I said you cannot make bets. Yes, you can march or whatever it was when I made that bet.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to ask Shia LaBeouf, Can I make bets in the off season.

[Jason Moore]

So you can do it.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not feeling very good about that one at all. I did notice. Speaking of Latavius Murray, I got to bring this up. I noticed that you don't consider. You have him at the basically the end of the RB3, Latavius Murray and you have Yelden much higher as a running back. Two, I believe. Or do you have Yelden. Let me see here. Yelden is in standard. You have TJ Yelden as 19 and you have Latavius Murray. Are they down at 32? And I just don't understand that big of a gap because if you asked me, they're very similar of offensive situations, teams that struggle to score points. I don't know why. You know, Murray should get the bulk of the carries and you would think.

[Andy Holloway]

That he should get the bulk of the carries. What I'm confident in, I'm confident that Yelden is going to get the bulk of the carries and he will get the goal line carries. And we've seen that. I would rather have a running back on a high powered offense, but there are low powered, low scoring offenses where a running back just happens into a high volume of touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

What do I have to do to put you into a Latavius Murray right now?

[Andy Holloway]

Is this a card?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I mean, what do I have to do? I have to give you some new wheels. I mean, I am much higher on Murray than both of you guys and I'm not crazy high on him by the way, but he's not my Jeremy Macklin of the running back field.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll admit maybe I have him a little bit too low, but I can't move. I can't in good conscience move him up that much more.

[Mike Wright]

Jason, is the gap there for you, or do you have Murray ahead of.

[Jason Moore]

No, I've got Murray ahead of. Ahead of Yelden. I'm a lot. Or no, not. Not by a whole lot. I'm not crazy high on Murray, but I'm not. I'm certainly not this low on Murray. I've been cooling on Yelden, who was originally my, like, rookie. It's funny. You guys were right after the draft.

[Mike Wright]

You know, we gave you some hard time.

[Jason Moore]

Gave me some hard time for my Yelden love. I think I was ahead of the game, and I think I'm ahead of the game again because I'm starting. I'm starting to cool on him. Everybody came around to my table, and now I'm going. Maybe not. I don't know. I. You know, the reports out of camp about Toby Gearhart doing good and just makes me want to throw up. So.

[Mike Wright]

Wait, you did yesterday.

[Jason Moore]

See, that's what did it. Thanks, Toby.

[Mike Wright]

It was the Toby report.

[Jason Moore]

So, you know, I.

[Mike Wright]

And the double stuffs.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So.

[Mike Wright]

So for me to eat while you were sick.

[Jason Moore]

But yeah, as of today, I would actually, I would. I would take.

[Mike Wright]

You heard it here first. Toby Gerhardt is in his top 10.

[Jason Moore]

No Tevin Coleman over Ty Yelden.

[Andy Holloway]

Wow, that is an interesting.

[Jason Moore]

Just from offenses, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Do we want to do Yelden versus Murray Bet.

[Mike Wright]

Wait, me and you.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, how do you not take that?

[Andy Holloway]

Andy, you're talking game over there.

[Jason Moore]

Water bet.

[Mike Wright]

This is classic. I get myself in, like, 18 bets with one guy that has to perform. This is why I can't go to Vegas and bet on games, because this is exactly what I do. I'd make like six bets that are all variants of. But Cleveland has to win to win all of them.

[Andy Holloway]

You're the guy who goes to the roulette table and you're like, it's a black nine. Yeah, I'm putting my house on. Sir, you've lost.

[Jason Moore]

That's an easy bet for you.

[Mike Wright]

1. I can't. I'm like Marty McFly, and if you call me yellow or you challenge me, I'm going to. We're going to duel.

[Jason Moore]

Then I got a bet for you.

[Andy Holloway]

Calls me.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you got one, too?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Throwing them out.

[Mike Wright]

He's gonna call me yellow and make some terrible bet.

[Jason Moore]

I think Justin Forset finishes higher than Giovanni Bernard. What do you think? What are you chicken? What are you, yellow?

[Mike Wright]

You got me trying to find a way to accept that bet. Wait, what if Geo like.

[Jason Moore]

No, seriously, I mean it. Are you two chicken to make that bet? Because just for sets too old, he's.

[Mike Wright]

Going to break down Mike's wide receivers. Number one, Jordy Nelson. Number two, Antonio Brown. Standard, by the way. No, I know. And by the way, I love it because I don't think. I don't like these rankings where you go out and you just put the guy that finished first last year number one. Again, that doesn't happen very often. Guys don't finish number. I mean, top five. Absolutely.

[Andy Holloway]

But Jordan Nelson, he did finish two.

[Mike Wright]

But I. Oh, yeah. No, Jordy. Number one, Antonio Brown, two, Julio Jones, three. Love it. Calvin Johnson at number four, Dez Bryant at five, Demarius Thomas, A.J. green, Alshon Jeffrey, Odell, Beckham Jr. And Randall Cobb. I'm trying to. I don't remember you having Calvin this high when we went through them the first time. Have you?

[Andy Holloway]

We. I didn't have him this high when we were originally talking, but then I went and broke down his per game and I had moved him up by the. Shortly afterwards.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, see, that's, that's why we do our rankings the way we do them. We actually map out the stats we're projecting for these guys because sometimes it surprises us.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

You know, we talked about Eli Manning earlier and when we were all high on him earlier in the off season, I went out and I just put his reasonable stats in and he didn't end up as high as I thought he'd end up. I would love to have said he was my six or something like that, but. So you put Calvin in and Calvin came out in the top five again. Yeah, I believe him.

[Andy Holloway]

The guy is still a monster. The question with Calvin is, is the health question. Everyone has the health question now, but Calvin's getting older. He's getting these nagging injuries that keep popping up. The, the team has. Has shown the ultimate. The ultimate faux pas for fantasy players is when you throw an injured guy out just to be a distraction for the other team, which is the worst situation to be in.

[Mike Wright]

How do you not start Calvin Johnson every week?

[Andy Holloway]

And I agree. I, I'm the player. I'm going to put him out there. He's your stud. You have to rely on it. But he, he carries a little more risk to me than the other guys.

[Mike Wright]

I agree. Burchard Perryman, you have him at 19, is that right? Let me really. Oh yeah, I was in standard leagues. You have Bershad Perryman at 19.

[Andy Holloway]

That's. That probably is.

[Mike Wright]

I knew, I knew I could find something in your rankings that would surprise.

[Andy Holloway]

You when you start moving the guys around.

[Mike Wright]

Let me name some guys that you have them ahead of so that I can really, really make you look different. Sammy Watkins.

[Andy Holloway]

That's fine.

[Mike Wright]

Desean Jackson.

[Andy Holloway]

That's fine.

[Mike Wright]

Andre Johnson, which I also wrote down. Why no Andre Love? Because you have Andre Johnson all the way down at 27. 27. Okay. So wide receiver three, just going for Ruben Randall ahead of him. You have Eric Decker ahead of him. Brandon lefell, Charles Johnson ahead of him.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, love Charles Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

I have to assume that the reason Andre's low, you have Ty pretty high. You've got him up at 13. So when you stat it out, the Colts, I imagine that you expect Ty to continue from where he was.

[Mike Wright]

I think clearly stated them wrong.

[Andy Holloway]

Hilton Hilton is clearly still the one to me and I just. Andre Johnson of what he has done that was around what I could give him. Seeing him going into an offense where there's so many high powered players.

[Mike Wright]

I have Johnson for about 11, 10. That's about where I have him at. I'm not sure where you have him with 90 catches.

[Jason Moore]

I think you hit about 90.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know what my exact stats were last time I did it, but that's where I have him now. Probably about 85 to 90 catches, 1100 yards, 10 touchdowns. That's going to be an offensive. They're just going to be in the red zone somewhere.

[Andy Holloway]

I got him at 80 for 1,006.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. Yeah. Touchdowns had to been down a little bit for you to have some of these other guys and I mean when you. So you think Perryman, you'll bring them down a little bit.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he'll probably come down. And the interesting thing when, when you're talking, when you start getting into that tier of player where the stats might.

[Mike Wright]

Be really similar, I mean the points.

[Andy Holloway]

Are so close for what I have projected. You tweak a guy 5 yards and he goes from 30 to 20.

[Mike Wright]

You had Amari Cooper all the way down at 35 and Perryman at 19. And that was something that surprised me. Do you not like is it just. It's the system, the Flacco versus Car system potential.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's the system of the Raiders are the Raiders and Perryman's. Perryman's replacing a high volume of targets in Tori Smith and that team while they have the amazing Justin for set. When you talk about their wideout crew, you got Steve Smith, Senior.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And then since we're talking about senior and Rashad Perriman. Leave him alone. No, I will not leave him alone.

[Mike Wright]

Until he shaves the dog.

[Jason Moore]

Leave him alone. It's not fair. I know, but I have to share.

[Mike Wright]

This story because you don't make fun of old people.

[Jason Moore]

I know. I apologize.

[Mike Wright]

The elderly are the part of our society.

[Jason Moore]

If you have listened to the show where we were talking about Rashad Perryman, he has this old man's disease where he looks like an old man. So we were looking for a picture to put up for the show later that night. And so we were googling and so I found a nice picture of him and his wife at the draft. Right. This was when he's going up to the draft and it is right next to his. His wife. And then we were looking at him, I was like, I mean, honestly, you look at the picture and it's a. It's a man and a wife standing there.

[Mike Wright]

Middle aged.

[Jason Moore]

Middle. Middle aged man, middle aged wife. And then it dawns on me, oh, that that's his mom. Like, that's. That's because as a middle aged woman. And I just. Honestly, it wasn't being mean. It was just.

[Mike Wright]

We're not the only ones tweeting about that. Oh, my. The way. What was that? There was a picture of. Oh, my goodness. I left a big piece of news off, by the way. I'm gonna bring it up right now.

[Jason Moore]

Everybody needs to search.

[Mike Wright]

Here's a picture of Amari Cooper and Devonte Parker and Melvin Gordon. And then. And then it said, and 63 year old Rashad Berryman. You have to look that picture up. But that brought me to the news and I have to just stop right now. Devonte Parker.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yes.

[Mike Wright]

This happened like at the end of the week last week. And so I stupidly didn't put it in the news today. But devonte Parker is out. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

The hand screw in his foot. The Julio Jones surgery.

[Jason Moore]

Uh, oh, yeah. Not looking good for Ryan Tannehill there, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

It does hurt a little bit.

[Andy Holloway]

But as I reminded Jason, I made the Tannehill cam bet before Devonte Parker was drafted.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well, yeah, a long time ago. He made a Justin.

[Mike Wright]

I just think it's going to take a little. It's going to take a little time for Parker to get integrated. And to me, it bumps Landry up in my rankings a little bit. Landry is already going to be Tannehill's go to guy. I know people are worried about him because he's not the touchdown monster. He's not a big guy, but he is if you need another PPR monster, a target monster. Picture Jarvis Landry is nine targets he averaged after the second half of the season last year. And it's only going to go up. He's running, playing all over the field there. He's even playing outside.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

When you talk about extreme differences where I say generally PPR versus standard, when there's not, there's not usually a huge difference. But then you get a couple random guys like Landry where his ranking in my standard compared to PPR is vastly different. I think like a gap of he leaps up 20 spots or something just because he's going to catch so many balls.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we got to move on to the mailbag section or else we're not going to get there. Do it today. So let's go ahead and answer some listener questions. We'll leave your tight ends off. People can go on the site the fantasy footballers.com they can look at your rankings. You can see George Cameron is much higher than I imagined he would be.

[Andy Holloway]

In your Jimmy Graham is out of the top 10.

[Mike Wright]

No, he's not.

[Andy Holloway]

No, he's not.

[Mike Wright]

Oh my. Is that clickbait?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You ruined it.

[Mike Wright]

Go to the website. You won't believe what Jimmy Graham is not in.

[Jason Moore]

You won't believe what's at number four.

[Mike Wright]

That's right.

[Jason Moore]

That is legit.

[Mike Wright]

Well, check it out.

[Jason Moore]

Number four. Mailbag mail, baby. Number four. Eat it. Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Didn't expect that. All right, let's come out.

[Andy Holloway]

As well as I.

[Mike Wright]

If you have a question, you can email us mail atthe fantasy footballers.com youm can call us 302 464TFFB. If you haven't noticed, some of these voicemail calls get priority. Have you noticed that we play them at the beginning of the mailbag section?

[Andy Holloway]

Kind of like video results on Google.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly like that. Here's the first.

[Andy Holloway]

Go to the tap.

[Mike Wright]

Here we go. Let's answer some questions.

[D]

What's up, fellas? This is Chad from Jacksonville, Florida, home of the future super bowl champs. I've got a trade question for you as well as a keeper question. I play in a 10 team standard format keeper league where you're able to keep one drafted player outside of the first two rounds, losing two rounds if you decide to keep that player. My friend has Le'Veon Bell which he can keep in the 10th round. I have the number one overall pick this year. I was wondering if you would trade your number one overall pick, which I would get his pick, which would be pick nine and give him this year's third round pick and next year's fourth round pick in order to get Le'Veon Bell from him keeping him in the 10th round. My keeper question is, would you keep Latavius Murray or Joseph Randall in the 15th round? Love the show, fellas. Man, keep up the good work. Y'all take it easy.

[Mike Wright]

Thoughts on the trade question first and then we can answer the keeper, are they.

[Andy Holloway]

They're not connected.

[Mike Wright]

So he would give up his first round pick.

[Andy Holloway]

But I'm saying if he makes this trade then he can't.

[Mike Wright]

I don't think they're connected.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it doesn't, it didn't sound like it to me. I would say, you know, obviously there's, there's thoughts to what the rest of the roster makeup are here. To me in general, if this was a 12 team league, I would say do the trade because I actually like the value of getting a stud guy for, you know, when you're trading your number one, the number one pick for the number nine pick, it's not the same as trading the actual number one for the number nine because it's keeper league. So most of the studs are gone already. And I like the value of being able to get Le'Veon Bell. The problem is, let's say it's a 10 team league and the most that could possibly get in would be, I mean normally it's four. Right. Four teams get in because you can't really have five. And if you're in a 10 team league where six make the playoffs, that's, I don't know, a little ridiculous.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a lot of playoffs.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So I'm guessing only four teams make it. And so if you know that the first three games of the year, you know you. That seems like a stretch to make up to me. If only four teams make the playoffs.

[Andy Holloway]

But forever now he gets to keep Blev Bell in the 10th.

[Jason Moore]

There's no future penalty.

[Mike Wright]

We don't know.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean I wouldn't wait.

[Andy Holloway]

Did he.

[Mike Wright]

I'm right on the edge. I probably do the trade. I do the trade because we don't know if Love Bell's suspension is going to get knocked down a little bit. I still think that's a possibility. I know a lot of people don't. I really do. So I lean towards doing the trade.

[Andy Holloway]

I would do the trade.

[Jason Moore]

There you go.

[Mike Wright]

No keeper Question. Latavius Murray or Joseph Randall in the 15th. For me, it's Joseph Randall. Absolutely. I really believe in Joseph Randall and I think that's a steal in the 15th round behind that offensive line. As long as he can stay away from the illegal. Illegal activity, keep him out of on the field.

[Andy Holloway]

No department stores for Joseph Randall, so.

[Mike Wright]

All right, next question.

[E]

Hey, fellas. I love the show and I love the feedback you gave from the last time. I was curious about something, so just want to run some more things by you. I was curious in a lot of my drafts. Where I kind of get stumped is I wait a little bit sometimes on like wide receiver because I feel like that's such a deep pick. Like, there's a lot of depth with wide receiver this year and I'm just having trouble, like in the later rounds. I've been ending up usually with Kevin White as wide receiver three and I'm kind of just stuck after that. Like, am I going with, like, who do you see as like kind of late round, like afterthoughts? Like, maybe you can get Charles Johnson in the 9th or 10th, or maybe you can get Allen Robinson, you know, could you give value to later round picks? Which would kind of be my question.

[Mike Wright]

There's a few guys I know. Mike likes Alan Robinson a whole lot.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, boy. If you get any kind of points for reception, half or full, Alan Robinson, target monster, take it to the Michael Floyd's.

[Mike Wright]

Another guy that comes to mind for me out of Arizona with Carson Palmer healthy.

[Jason Moore]

If you're wanting to go much later, One guy I think that a lot of people are down on and they're pretty much down on him, I feel like year after year, but. But Marquis Colston is some guy that I would keep a lookout for. The ball has to go to somebody. He's always been tried and true. And if you want more, you know, if he's not sexy enough for you, go to Nelson Aguilar. He can be found a little bit later. But another tip that I would give, and I know, Mike, you've given this out before. Don't go crazy on the wide receivers. If you got Kevin White as your third, grab a fourth and then be done. You know, grab some running backs and put, put your late flyers there because there's a million late flyers you can take on wide receiver, but you don't, you don't need them because those late guys, you're just going to be able to, you know.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they show up a lot. And the last name I'll throw out I don't know if we've talked about him at all. Is Marvin Jones in Cincinnati?

[Mike Wright]

Absolutely. I almost said his name just now.

[Andy Holloway]

Because he is the forgotten man.

[Mike Wright]

He's forgotten completely where he touchdowns, where.

[Andy Holloway]

Two years ago he had a very solid year playing opposite of A.J. green. He got hurt, he missed an entire year and now all accounts are that he's healthy and he should easily regain his position as the second.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, and we talked about Pierre Garcon too, if he, if he falls in your league. Alright, this question comes in off the website from Ken. He says, hello, Peter, Ray and Egon.

[Andy Holloway]

Who you gonna call?

[Mike Wright]

There you go. If you're drafting on a site whose default ranks has a player a few rounds later than you have the same player rank, do you wait to pick that player to get a personal value or do you scoop them up early in what would be considered a reach for that site? An example of this is ESPN values Kelsey at 71 overall. When you guys have him going in the 40s. Point of clarity on this is a lot of times if you're drafting or doing mock drafts online, the default listing that they put into the mock draft is that site's rankings. And so sometimes you'll, you know, you're mock drafting at Yahoo, they have a guy way farther down than you have him. Or ESPN in this case has Kelsey much farther down than this guy would normally take him. So what's your answer to his question?

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely. You absolutely game the system and you use the rankings, people start seeing names in front of their face and if they don't have a completely solidified list like you're talking about where they know exactly where they value a guy, they start seeing a name and they go, they start to question themselves. Oh, ESPN has that guy. Hi. And while I'm not going to take that, I'm not going Kramer on a, on an empty tank of gas on this and trying to push it.

[Mike Wright]

How far can you go?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but I'm going to use it and I'll, I'll probably try and squeeze a round or two out if I know the rest of my league isn't on that guy.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah, well said. Yeah, I agree completely. Email comes in from Mike. He says, greetings, Mo, Larry and Curly.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason's. Jason's Curly.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

Cleared that up.

[Mike Wright]

Thomas from Portland asks, he says, of all the fantasy relevant running backs, which one is throwing you a scare due to age? Do players such as Gore for Set or maybe even Arian Foster create hesitation in your schemes? For drafting, Obviously they are still worth drafting, but do they fall at all because of the possibility of age catching up with them? He also asked, if the Cards don't win the super bowl this year, who else do you root for?

[Andy Holloway]

But I'll answer that. Yeah, after the first question.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, sure. You know, just like we talked about with Odell Beckham Jr. Earlier and his hamstring giving you pause. Age should give you pause for certain players, but don't jump the gun. We've talked about this before. March on lynch last year. Frank Gore has played 60 something consecutive starts. He's put up three straight lines every year.

[Andy Holloway]

Frank Gore is going to fall off the clock, Cliff.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And so a guy like 4 said, a guy like Foster, do you guys hesitate at all?

[Andy Holloway]

None.

[Jason Moore]

None.

[Andy Holloway]

None for those guys. I do consider age strongly. What I'm.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you're not nice to Forte about age, but you're nice to Forset.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

It's not just, that's not, I'm telling.

[Jason Moore]

It'S a matter of. I'm telling it's not just age, it's workload. If you look at how many carries a guy's got. So Arian Foster, to me, I, I do, you know, if I knew, if I was confident that he was going to play 16 games, I'd probably have him be my number one running back because he's amazing. But I'm very confident he misses three games next year at least. So, you know, I can't put him there. So it's more than just age. So you look at Frank Gore, he's old age and history, then age and history and not. And so there's two things. One, when it comes to the age is it's not just the year you were born. Fast forward to today, it's how many carries have you had in the NFL? So that's the difference between say a four set who's had a relatively fresh body the same way that, you know, Fred Jackson had a, had a fresh body late in his age life because the beginning of his NFL career, he wasn't overutilized. And Matt Forte, who's been utilized since his rookie year and he's, you know, he's going through and then you look at the history and say, is this guy injury prone? Has he had injuries in the past? How's he been doing? Frank Gore's held up like magic. You know, Arian Foster has not so much. And Matt Forte has been relatively healthy, I'll give him that. But he did have a knock early in the career of being injury prone.

[Andy Holloway]

So, yeah. And to answer the second question, for me, it's easily Vikings. But I will say this real quick. I like to grab a team to root for in every single division. Obviously, the Cardinals for me are number one. But I like to have a rooting interest. Anything I can do to make the NFL season more exciting, I'm all for it. Kind of like daily fantasy on FanDuel.

[Mike Wright]

With the promo code.

[Andy Holloway]

With the promo code. Ballers. And I get my $200.

[Mike Wright]

That's right for me. It's the Packers.

[Jason Moore]

Me too.

[Mike Wright]

It's always been the Packers. My wife's family.

[Andy Holloway]

I hate you both.

[Mike Wright]

My wife's family's from out there. How do you not love the dreamboat that is Aaron Rod?

[Andy Holloway]

I do love him, but Vikings fan. Oh, that's right, the Packers.

[Mike Wright]

We pick your division mate. Rival, I mean. Email from David in Dallas. Hello, chaps.

[Andy Holloway]

Yo. Hello. Yes.

[Jason Moore]

What was that?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm being a chap.

[Jason Moore]

That was a chap.

[Mike Wright]

He's from Dallas. I'm starting to think cowboy chaps.

[Jason Moore]

Ooh, but list. Yeah, but list. Chaps.

[Mike Wright]

Of all the interesting running backs coming out of the NFL draft, who are a few that you like enough to take an earlier round? So I guess he's talking about rookies. Obviously you want to draft veterans as much as you can. Well, not obviously. I don't think that's a guarantee. I think veterans depends which ones. But which rookies do we like? Abdullah, Duke Johnson, David Johnson, Cobb, etc. Who do we stay away from? Good question. We've talked about a few guys. I think we can speak to Duke Johnson a little bit just for the sake of bringing him into the conversation. We like David Johnson a lot. Like. Like Wadir Abdullah more than I do.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. On that express. But those are all. Those are guys who I'm going to take.

[Mike Wright]

So who do you feel confident taking in the first rounds? Would be kind of a good answer to his question.

[Jason Moore]

Earlier rounds. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Melvin Gordon.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Gordon. For me, it would be T.J. yeldin. Those are the guys who all take.

[Mike Wright]

You know, they have a workload.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe fourth round.

[Jason Moore]

I would take Gordon in the fourth. And so if that's early, I wouldn't take anyone else that early after that, the next guy up for me would probably be Tevin Coleman. I'm rising pretty.

[Andy Holloway]

I like Coleman.

[Jason Moore]

Pretty good on him. And then honestly, you know, I'm not.

[Mike Wright]

Going to say it makes a difference to me on the veteran or home run hitter because you get your first two guys. I don't want to take a chance on Duke Johnson to be my RB2.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

Right. Because you don't know what you're going to get. But later on I'd much rather draft maybe an Amir Abdullah over a Legarett Blunt if you're talking about your RB3 or 4 so that you have the potential to hit a ceiling. You know, Fred Jackson is another guy who you knew even if he had a good year, he's not going to be number one. Right. He's going to be. He's kind of ceiling cap because he's a veteran in a system. And so I like potential too. I just don't want to use it.

[Jason Moore]

So it's almost better to look for later round running backs rather than early round running backs that are rookies that you can grab a hold of. That's where David Johnson so oh yeah, precious.

[Andy Holloway]

And I like the taking the Flyers too but I also at the end of a draft I like to pad my roster with the unsexy veterans, guys like Anquan Bolden and the guys that just that no one ever wants on their team yet they still finish as wide receiver twos and running back twos.

[Mike Wright]

This email comes in from Daniel G. He says dear Smokin J. Cuddy, Marty McBride and Jeremy Hill's tattoo club.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I like it.

[Mike Wright]

Well done. He's in a 12 team keeper league and he's looking to draft a younger running back in this year's draft who has the potential to turn into a stud in the next year or so and help carry my team for several years. Who are some running backs you would consider taking a flyer on who could turn into the next CJ Anderson, Jeremy Hill or Eddie Lacy. Keep up the good work. Keep eating those three by threes. You hear that Jason tonight? Which, which guys are in that camp who could be the next CJ Anderson? It's a good question because it's hard to pull those names out because if we could we, I mean we would and we, we try to but I think Tevin Coleman's a guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

That has. Has a potential.

[Andy Holloway]

Tevin Coleman I think to really qualify for this, you're talking about later guys who we're just speaking to. So guys who I think have an actual legitimate chance to become studs would be Abdullah. I still believe and I think David Johnson can take the majority of the workload and I think Tevin Coleman as well because I don't believe in Devontae Freeman at all and I think the running back in that system is going to have tremendous value.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to give you a name Jay Ajayi.

[Jason Moore]

That's what I was honestly just thinking.

[Andy Holloway]

I. I don't think that he can supplant Lamar Miller if you're correct on his talent versus Miller I don't think he can take a 70% workload versus Miller. I don't think he can beat him out for that.

[Mike Wright]

What about Christian Michael? You still have any help for Christian Michael?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I never thought he. Oh oh I thought you were making a comparison. Sorry.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah but I'm trying to look deep as guys that because C.J. anderson wasn't at the top like you said he was deep undrafted untalked about guys that have potential talent wise to do it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Michael. Michael is disappointing of just how Seattle has how Carroll has run it with Turbine how every year the fantasy community kept thinking this is the year that Michael becomes the the two and maybe even starts eating into the Lynch's workload and he gets like 20 carries because Turbin's the guy the backup. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah because he's reliable. Any names for you Jay? Anybody else jumping out? I'm trying. I tried to pick a couple that's.

[Jason Moore]

That's David Johnson pops out to me honestly but we had just brought him up so I feel stupid regurgitating.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Ryan from western Canada.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh Jerick McKinnon. Sure. Oh that because ability we I love Peterson but Peterson he might not be.

[Mike Wright]

Long for I don't soda.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think I think this is last year's one of it's very fun.

[Mike Wright]

Ryan from western Canada says hey Bart, Brett and Aaron. Hey. He's a Packer fan.

[Jason Moore]

There you go.

[Mike Wright]

To answer this question you and your.

[Andy Holloway]

Stupid Vikings I want boycott wow.

[Mike Wright]

Okay two part question. Maybe you'll come around for the second part in a 12 team keeper league no penalty for round he can start quarterback at flex two quarterback. Yeah. Basically he needs to keep four of the following Blake Portals, Alfred Morris, Joseph Randall, Isaiah Cruell, Charles Johnson, Allen Robinson, Brandon Cooks, DeAndre Hopkins and T Y Hilton. So he has to keep four of those. So let's answer that first question then. Two quarterback league potentially. I mean do you keep Bortles or do you not worry about it because you can just grab a guy like him off of the I don't worry.

[Andy Holloway]

About it at all.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah which is sad because in a two quarterback keeper league I would wish that I'm keeping a quarterback I'd rather.

[Andy Holloway]

Have Winston than Bortles.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I agree. You can replace Bortles easily, but just.

[Mike Wright]

He doesn't say whether it's a PPR league for me. I keep DeAndre Hopkins, I keep Ty Hilton, and I keep probably Alfred Morris and Joseph Randall.

[Jason Moore]

That is exactly what I had wrote down. Mike, are you in? Oh, our first time.

[Mike Wright]

Wow. You only have to hit it once. No, the consensus bell has been rung. We all agree on something. I wonder how often that'll go off.

[Jason Moore]

Once.

[Andy Holloway]

It's only been once.

[Mike Wright]

Part two question. He says he has the 10th pick in the draft. What should he focus on with this first couple of picks with the keepers he has and the talent that has already gone in the draft. Focus on the best player available.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. I understand that people always want to ask these questions because I honestly, I want to ask them too, because what should I.

[Jason Moore]

Man?

[Andy Holloway]

What do I do? What do I do? And you. You have to play the draft as it. As it unveils. Its. Unveils.

[Mike Wright]

Unveils itself. Yeah. As it. As the draft disrobes that.

[Andy Holloway]

No, that's a baby. Baby. Whatever. Is it lamb or is it cow? What's veal?

[Mike Wright]

Veal is. Neither of those. Isn't veal. Deer.

[Jason Moore]

That's what I thought.

[Andy Holloway]

I can. I don't know. I'm not a deer.

[Mike Wright]

I'm pretty sure it's deer.

[Andy Holloway]

Baby eater. We're anti.

[Mike Wright]

You're not a baby eater.

[Andy Holloway]

That's right.

[Jason Moore]

That's good.

[Mike Wright]

Veal is not baby.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think it is.

[Mike Wright]

It is.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

It's something cruel.

[Mike Wright]

It's the meat of young cattle in contrast to the beef of older cattle.

[Andy Holloway]

Like a baby cow.

[Mike Wright]

Like I said. Oh, way off.

[Andy Holloway]

At the beginning of this conversation, I.

[Mike Wright]

Thought you just meant babies in general. Stannis, by the way, we're going a little long here. You guys want to answer a few more for the listeners just for the sake of getting through the mailbag more or.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, let's. Let's do at least. At least one more.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Juicy.

[Jason Moore]

Final. Final juice.

[Mike Wright]

Juicy. Like a three by three. Brady writes in. He says, hello.

[Andy Holloway]

I like it.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, Brady.

[Mike Wright]

So I think that Carlos Hyde could be a good RB2 this year. Well, thanks for sharing. I think the workload will be there, but I haven't heard anything to corroborate my thoughts. Is there something about him, his offensive system, his projected workload that makes you think he will not live up to his adp? I guess. What are your thoughts on him this offseason? Is from Brady the non deflator. Good to know. I. Yes. Is the Answer to your question. Are there things that make me think he might not live up to his adp? Absolutely. He's very talented. Their offense is a little different. Reggie Bush is in the fold. And do not forget about Kendall Hunter.

[Jason Moore]

And also do not forget about Mike Ayupati, who was one of the reasons they were a great running offensive line.

[Andy Holloway]

Where'd he go?

[Jason Moore]

The Arizona Cardinals.

[Andy Holloway]

David Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. They also lost, by the way, their. Their left tackle to retirement at age 25 this week.

[Jason Moore]

Four players to retirement.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Clearly people don't want to play for the 49ers anymore, but it's for me, it's the.

[Mike Wright]

I wouldn't.

[Andy Holloway]

The defense breaking down. Losing the left tackle is a. Hurts. Losing Mikey Potty hurts.

[Mike Wright]

If they're down and Reggie Bush is on the field.

[Andy Holloway]

Reggie Bush is the third down back. That's how I see it playing out. Until he's hurt and I just hide his. Hyde is a guy who, at the beginning of the offseason, I was ready. I was all aboard to pump him up. And every. Every time I go into my rankings, he goes down just a little bit more.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's tough. All right, we. We are out of time today. Don't forget to check out fantasydraftwizard.com for your offseason mock drafting. It's super fun. Go on there. It's free. It doesn't cost you any money. And don't forget to check us out on the Web. The fantasy footballers.com on Twitter @ the Ffballers. Jason, I'm glad you were able to make it into the studio today. Do not give Mike any kisses.

[Andy Holloway]

We gotta sanitize the whole entire room.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah, I licked the mic a lot.

[Mike Wright]

He's been in a hazmat suit.

[Andy Holloway]

Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you for listening to another edition of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Don't forget to visit us on the web at www.thefantasyfootballers.com and follow us on Twitter the FFballers.

[Andy Holloway]

I can't tell you how sad I was when I looked over and realized my beverage was not open.