Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Rookie WR's, Interview with Adam Aizer, Mailbag

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast - Episode: Rookie WRs, Interview with Adam Aizer, Mailbag
Release Date: May 7, 2015
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
Guest: Adam Azer, Host and Analyst at CBS Sports

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1. Introduction of Guest: Adam Azer

The episode kicks off with an enthusiastic introduction of Adam Azer, a respected host and analyst from CBS Sports known for his deep insights into fantasy football and baseball. The hosts express their excitement about having Adam on the show, highlighting his expertise and the value he brings to the fantasy football community.

Notable Quote:
Jason Moore [01:27]: "We will be joined by Adam Azer... He's one of our favorite guys in the fantasy football community."

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2. Rookie Wide Receivers: Amari Cooper vs. Kevin White

A significant portion of the podcast is dedicated to analyzing the top rookie wide receiver prospects, primarily Amari Cooper and Kevin White. The hosts delve into their potential impacts, team situations, and fantasy value.

Amari Cooper (Oakland Raiders):
Amari Cooper is lauded for his high ceiling and consistent performance. His role as the primary receiver is emphasized, especially with David Carr at quarterback, who the hosts believe will elevate Cooper's performance.

Kevin White (Chicago Bears):
Kevin White is praised for his physical attributes and the dynamic offense led by Jay Cutler. However, concerns about Victor Cruz's injury and whether White can consistently perform at a high level are discussed.

Notable Quotes:
Adam Azer [08:35]: "I'm going with Kevin White. That's who I want on my team."
Mike Wright [10:35]: "I really do think Amari Cooper is the guy that you want to take."

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3. Evaluation of Other Rookie Wide Receivers

Beyond the frontrunners, the hosts evaluate other rookie wide receivers, assessing their roles, team dynamics, and potential fantasy contributions.

• Devonte Parker (Miami Dolphins): Considered a solid pick for dynasty leagues due to his potential in a developing offense but seen as less reliable for single-season drafts.
• Nelson Aguiar (Philadelphia Eagles): Viewed as a high-upside pick within a robust offensive system, potentially outperforming peers like Devonte Parker.
• Rashad Perryman (Baltimore Ravens): While talented, concerns about his reliability and team fit are noted, making him a risky but possible breakout candidate.
• Philip Dorsett (Indianapolis Colts): Critiqued as a poor first-round pick with limited immediate fantasy value, though holding some long-term dynasty potential.
• Green Beckham (Tennessee Titans): Disappointed by his landing spot and team situation, casting doubt on his initial fantasy impact.

Notable Quote:
Jason Moore [22:48]: "So how good is Devonte Parker and what is his role? ... How good is Devonte Parker?"

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4. Running Backs Discussion: David Johnson and Others

The conversation shifts to running backs, with a focus on David Johnson and comparisons to other backfield prospects.

• David Johnson (Arizona Cardinals): Highlighted as a valuable second-round pick with high potential, especially in PPR formats.
• Duke Johnson (Miami Dolphins): Viewed as less favorable due to injury concerns and a crowded backfield.
• Melvin Gordon (Wisconsin): Debated as a potential high-value fourth-round pick, though facing skepticism based on past performance against strong run defenses.
• Todd Gurley: Mentioned as a top-tier option, though details on him are less prominent in this episode.

Notable Quotes:
Andy Holloway [31:14]: "I'd say top three pick next year."
Adam Azer [33:08]: "I think David Johnson has a really good opportunity."

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5. In-Depth Interview with Adam Azer

Adam Azer joins the hosts for a segment of personal and professional questions, providing listeners with a glimpse into his preferences and strategies.

• Favorite Food: Pizza, cheeseburgers, and burritos.
• Favorite Movie: "Braveheart."
• Favorite Football Player: Tiki Barber, citing a connection from his college days.

Draft Strategies and Bust Alerts:
Adam shares his perspective on potential busts like Isaiah Crowell and Todd Davis, emphasizing the importance of opportunity and supporting cast in evaluating draft picks. He also discusses his philosophy on drafting quarterbacks late, favoring depth over early positions.

Notable Quote:
Adam Azer [30:10]: "I think Mariota... he'd be a bust for me."

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6. Mailbag: Listener Questions and Expert Advice

The hosts address listener-submitted questions, offering tailored advice based on individual league formats and specific scenarios.

• Question from Will:
  Scenario: 12-team PPR, keeper snake draft. Option to keep Eddie Lacy (3rd round) or Mike Evans (9th round).
  Advice: Majority recommendation is to keep Eddie Lacy for his better value as a running back in the third round.

• Tandem Wide Receivers:
  Scenario: Managing tandem WRs like Kevin White and Alshon Jeffries.
  Advice: Play tandem based on team performance and consider trading Kevin White for value, especially in dynasty leagues.

• Quarterback Preferences:
  Options: Carson Palmer, Ryan Tannehill, Andy Dalton.
  Advice: Ryan Tannehill is favored due to his potential and fit in a rebuilding offense.

• Performance Bonuses Impact:
  Scenario: Leagues with bonuses for QB passing yards and RB rushing yards.
  Advice: Minimal impact on overall strategy, though it might slightly elevate the value of consistent performers who hit these bonuses.

Notable Quotes:
Mike Wright [54:16]: "Break up, dump them. I don't see any long term value."

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7. Closing Remarks

The episode wraps up with the hosts thanking Adam Azer for his participation and encouraging listeners to engage with the podcast through reviews and social media. They also promote their partnership with FanDuel, offering a promo code to listeners.

Notable Quote:
Jason Moore [59:03]: "Thank you for listening to another edition of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast... we appreciate it."

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Key Takeaways:

• Rookie WRs: Amari Cooper and Kevin White are top rookie wide receivers with distinct advantages and team dynamics that make them valuable fantasy picks.
• Running Backs: David Johnson emerges as a strong second-round pick, while discussions around Melvin Gordon and Todd Gurley reflect varying levels of confidence based on opportunity and past performance.
• Draft Strategy: Emphasis on flexibility during drafts, focusing on value rather than sticking rigidly to positional plans. Late-round quarterback drafting is recommended.
• Performance Bonuses: Modest influence on overall draft strategy, with a slight preference towards consistency in players who can achieve bonus thresholds.

This episode provides comprehensive insights into rookie wide receiver prospects, strategic drafting considerations, and practical advice tailored to various fantasy football league formats, making it an invaluable resource for both novice and seasoned fantasy managers.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Foreign.

[Mike Wright]

To the fantasy footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

The fantasy footballers are back, baby. Yeah. It is Thursday. It is May 7th and we are here yet again as always, in the purest form that we come talking fantasy football. Uncut, uncut, human. We got a great show today.

[Mike Wright]

That's the only form I come in. I don't know about you, Mike.

[Adam Azer]

This is.

[Jason Moore]

Jason Moore is with us.

[Adam Azer]

Even my final form, I go Super Saiyan.

[Mike Wright]

Very nice.

[Jason Moore]

I believe you. I somehow I believe you. The man bun talks me into anything. Jeremy Hill, you just explode. Mike the fantasy hitman right here. Jason Moore, as I said. And I am Andy Holloway. We are the fantasy footballers and welcome to the show. We have got. I know, I know. We have got an awesome show today. We will be joined. This is the best part of the show today is we will be joined by Adam Azer, the host and analyst of several of CBS sports podcasts including Fantasy Football Today and Fantasy Baseball Today. He's one of our favorite guys in the fantasy football community. Tons of insight on the draft, tons of insight on the fantasy football season coming up. And so make sure you stay tuned to this show because we're going to talk to him a little bit later.

[Adam Azer]

Some. Some call him the host with the most.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you know, guys, listen, I agreed to bring him on here as long as you agree not to trade me away for him.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Adam Azer]

So stay tuned to see if the trade went through or not.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. I think I'm too loud, Mike. I think my voice is too loud.

[Adam Azer]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I think our listeners will agree with that in a minute. Always heard me bursting. What else do we got? We're gonna talk some fant football implications for the wide receivers drafted. We had a good show. If you didn't hear it, listen to Tuesday's show. Jason, did you listen to Tuesday's show?

[Mike Wright]

I listened to Tuesday's show live. Yeah, I heard it while we did it.

[Jason Moore]

One of the few considering reasons only.

[Adam Azer]

Research only though, right? No vanity involved, just research.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it was a good show because we talked about Todd Gurley, we talked about Melvin Gordon, Talk TJ Yeldin, David Johnson, bunch of the rookie running backs. You two are madly in love with David Johnson. You're going to drive his value up to a level in which you cannot even draft him, which is difficult to do.

[Adam Azer]

My second round picks.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So we got some news and notes we're going to hit. If you want to follow us, you can do so on Twitter at the Ffballers. I also want to make sure we get our email address out there at the beginning of the show. If you have a question for us, you can email us mail at the fantasy footballers.com we'll be happy to answer it at the end of the show. We do a mailbag every week. It's fun, it's a good time.

[Adam Azer]

You sound like a double espresso version.

[Jason Moore]

Of yourself right now.

[Adam Azer]

It's incredible.

[Jason Moore]

I'm pretty excited about the show today. You can also visit us on the [e-mail] let's go ahead and read our review of the week. I guess it's not. I'm gonna preface this. We have two shows in a week, so it's not the review of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, right.

[Jason Moore]

It's just a review of the show Death Match. It's our favorite review today.

[Mike Wright]

Reviewasaurus Rex. Well, this week's review comes in from Rhino Bean.

[Adam Azer]

What is happening?

[Mike Wright]

I don't know. It was a short one so I mixed it up.

[Jason Moore]

He was straight on like a kid's channel.

[Adam Azer]

Winnie the Pooh.

[Mike Wright]

Rhino Bean says, I can honestly say it's the best fantasy football show I've listened to. Well, thanks Rhino Bean.

[Adam Azer]

How many shows is Rhino Bean listened to?

[Mike Wright]

At least five.

[Jason Moore]

Thanks buddy. You too can leave us a review on itunes. Subscribe give us a review. Let us know if you like this sweet off season content drip that we keep bringing you each and every week. Also, if you are interested in playing in our exclusive fantasy football Fantasy Footballers League coming up, go ahead and send us an email as well. Let us know you're interested. We're looking for some good players to play along with us. You guys want to talk news and notes?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

News and notes from around the league.

[Jason Moore]

Well, not a lot happening since Thursday, but Carson Palmer is on the field.

[Adam Azer]

I like it.

[Jason Moore]

Mike, you like Carson Palmer?

[Adam Azer]

I like him very much.

[Jason Moore]

Why is it relevant that he's on the field? Why don't you tell everybody he tore his acl? Everyone knows that there is that, you goose. And so you're not worried?

[Adam Azer]

No, I'm not. If he's already on the field. They said it was a clean tear. Everything that we're seeing points to that was a true assessment of his injury. He's already doing things on the field by the time the season starts. He's going to be good to go.

[Jason Moore]

Carson Palmer is a quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

One streamer at best.

[Jason Moore]

That I kind of agree with Jason so far. But we'll see. New York has promoted maybe Ruben Randall to that Number two spot or has they. Have they just said that Victor Cruz is not going to be ready to come back.

[Adam Azer]

It's a little bit of both.

[Jason Moore]

A little bit of both. Now Reuben Randall, if you remember, he had a pretty good end of the season. It didn't hurt that Odell Beckham Jr. Was blowing up because he. But he made the most of it.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, you have to have that other guy to me and Reuben Randall has just been. There's been an apology to her for his entire career. But his last two games he finally put it together and that, that's part of the reason why I like Eli Manning so much going into the year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that receiving core there is pretty impressive. Mike, do you have any thoughts on Ruben Randall?

[Adam Azer]

I just gave them.

[Jason Moore]

Jason.

[Adam Azer]

They were pretty good.

[Mike Wright]

They were very good. No, I think that he will be the number two receiver. I think it's important for us to remember that going into the year. A lot of people have Victor Cruz, you know, as like this big, you know, bounce back player. I'm just not about it. You know, it's a different kind of injury that. Well, I just don't think he sounded.

[Jason Moore]

Like you were talking in the hallways of I'm just not a football high with your girlfriend.

[Mike Wright]

Victor Cruz can't come back from this. Okay. It's just not. No way.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not yucky.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. So. But seriously, like a man, I would say Victor Cruz.

[Adam Azer]

I'm not about it.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not about it. I think that's it.

[Jason Moore]

We don't need to talk any more about it. For goodness sake.

[Mike Wright]

Rookies soon.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Also, the Seahawks resigned. This is news.

[Adam Azer]

No, they did not resign. He signed his tender.

[Jason Moore]

Why does it say Seahawks resigned?

[Adam Azer]

Don't ask me. You wrote the notes. No, no.

[Jason Moore]

You copied and pasted them.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, that part I did.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Jermaine curse is coming back on a one year deal. All right. We're moving on. And when we move on, we move on to fanduel.com we got a partnership with FanDuel. Do you guys like FanDuel?

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

Hey, rookie, welcome to the NFL.

[Jason Moore]

One of the things that I've seen people asking a lot is which rookie wide receiver is the guy you want? Because there was a lot of Kevin White hype. A lot of people saw what happened, right, that Kevin White was going to go to the Bears.

[Mike Wright]

So is it good spot to land?

[Jason Moore]

And then everybody's wisely afraid of the Raiders in all respects in terms of fantasy. So is it a Marty Cooper? Is it Kevin White?

[Mike Wright]

Mike, you go first and then I'll destroy your opinion.

[Adam Azer]

Okay. I thought you were going to corroborate it, but we'll see.

[Mike Wright]

We'll see.

[Adam Azer]

I'm going with Kevin White. That's who. That's who I want on my team. I understand that Amari Cooper is the number one, and that's if you don't consider Michael Crabtree number one.

[Jason Moore]

And I forgot he signed there.

[Adam Azer]

I'm not sure who doesn't consider him a number one, but the fact that Kevin White is the number two with Jay Cutler as his quarterback, that's why I like him so much. Alshon Jeffrey has already proven that he is a beast. Now you got Alshon. What, what's fun about this to me. Alshon Jeffrey, 6, 3, 2, 16, runs a 4, 4 8. Kevin White, 6 3, 215 pounds, runs a 4, 3, 5. I mean, they have two dominant forces on the outside in Chicago, and Jay Cutler is a man who does not care. He will throw it up. There's a one on one Kevin White. You go get the ball. And it's impossible for a defense to roll double coverage to Kevin White because Alison Jeffrey will just dominate them. And I think it'll be a similar situation where they'll be unable to roll it to Jeffrey because then Kevin White will dominate.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I like that. And I really do corroborate your, you know, all your opinions from Chicago. I like Kevin White, but the more that I was thinking about this and I was a big Kevin White fan before the draft, I was hoping he went to Chicago. He went to Chicago. But I really do think Amari Cooper is the guy that you want to take. If you're taking the first wide receiver off the board because Carr in Oakland. Say what you will about, you know, not wanting to be a part of that offense. He threw the ball a ton last year for a rookie. He was airing it out and he had absolutely no one. His number one receiver to throw to was James Jones, who they have now cut into the NFL graveyard. So Amari Cooper has been brought into heaven. He's gone. Yes. If you listen to Tuesday's show.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Poor James.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. So, you know, now you've brought him in to be a clear cut, number one guy to an offense that's going to be airing the ball out. And I think there's. Sky is the limit. The opportunity is just too high and. And there's going to be garbage time points thrown, thrown up there. So. Whereas, you know, in Chicago, I love Kevin Wyatt, I love that match. But you got Eddie Royal coming in. You've got a new offensive coordinator coming in. You know, so Jay Cutler's still there. Yeah. I just think that the ceiling is much higher on Amari Cooper and I actually think the floor is higher on Amari Cooper. So I go Cooper.

[Jason Moore]

I definitely agree with the floor comment and I don't think this is an either or proposition. Obviously I proposed it to you that way is which guy would you take? But. But I think both of those guys are going to produce. Mike. I agree with you about Kevin White. However, I think he's going to have big games and some duds because he, Jay Cutler, will have the freedom sometimes to do that. And then Jay Cutler is going to have his three interception game when the defense puts him in a hole or they rely on the run game because that's what John Fox wants to do. And so because him in that number two role. That's why I like the floor of Amari Cooper and I believe in David Carr. You guys have heard me say that for a couple shows in a row. For whatever reason, I believe in David Carr.

[Adam Azer]

Probably his. He looks like he has eyeliner on.

[Jason Moore]

He does. He looks like a raccoon on the field. Hurling.

[Mike Wright]

Isn't that just perfect for the Raiders?

[Adam Azer]

It is. And that's perfect for a nickname. We got to get something with the raccoon.

[Jason Moore]

Plus he's like digging through the trash.

[Adam Azer]

He is a trap with his garbage time fantasy points.

[Jason Moore]

But I'll tell you, I feel a lot better about David Carr. And if you look on a lot of boards, he's one of the guys. He's one of the guys that benefited the Most from this draft.

[Mike Wright]

He's going to be a great streamer.

[Jason Moore]

You had James Jones and now you've got Crabtree. For what it's worth, he's coming in number two. Whatever.

[Mike Wright]

Crabtree is twice as good as James Jones and isn't that good.

[Jason Moore]

And you have Latavius Murray in the passing game. And now you have a Mari Cooper. I mean, yeah. Is he going to put up 1500 yards? No chance. Zero. Zero chance. But he might have 75, 80 catches. I think that's a pretty, pretty safe bet for Amari Cooper if he stays healthy. So anything more you guys want to say about these two top picks? Because these are the guys want to. People want to know about. We'll definitely ask Adam a little bit later the same question about these two guys, but anything else you want to add?

[Adam Azer]

I think that's. That's good. You guys are wrong.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. All right. There you go. All right, let's talk devonte Parker. He went to the Miami Dolphins. He was one of the top guys on everybody's board. A lot of people thought if you had to break the rookie wide receivers down into an elite three pack, Parker was part of that three pack. And so they spend the high pick on Parker. Some people thought Gurley might end up there in the first round. Their first round pick ends up being Parker. How good is devonte Parker and what is his role? Because he's competing with Jarvis Landry, Jordan Cameron, now Greg Jennings.

[Mike Wright]

Greg, if you didn't get it, I would.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So who's devontae Parker? Why should people be excited about this opportunity?

[Mike Wright]

I really like devontae Parker as a player, but I'm not too hot on him this year. If you're in a dynasty league, I think he's a great pickup. But this year, just like you just named, he has to right now beat someone out to even be in the starting two wide receivers. Because right now it's slated for Kenny Stills and Jarvis Landry. He has to beat one of them out and he could do that in camp and then that can upgrade him for me. But these other two guys, they don't have to beat anybody out. They're already penciled in. They're already in that spot. So I think that devontae Parker is great for Ryan Tannehill. He's a great pick for the Miami Dolphins in real life. But as far as, as a fantasy player this year, there's actually quite a few guys that I see have a much better opportunity that's also matched with decent skill and I would rather take them than devonte Parker. And Parker will probably go ahead of some of those guys.

[Adam Azer]

I agree. The devonte Parker, maybe not.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think he's competing with. He's not competing with Stills, though. That's not the report that I read. I read he's competing to start with Greg Jennings.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, well, he'll take to me.

[Jason Moore]

He's Landry, you're playing the slot, won't he?

[Adam Azer]

Yes. When they go three wide, it's going to be Parker Landry in the slot and Kenny Stilts on the outside, which is just incredible with Parker.

[Jason Moore]

You're talking like Kenny still so much. I don't understand it.

[Adam Azer]

No, I'm just with those two guys and Landry. So Parker, for those who don't six three, four, four, five. Three drops since 2012. The guy's got mitts that are sure and he's sure going to catch some of those Ryan Tannehill kind of accurate deep passes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think. Sorry. No, you can keep.

[Adam Azer]

What I really, really like. I like for Tannehill and Landry. Landry gets to go in the slot and be the ppr.

[Jason Moore]

Have room and have lots of room.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, there's. And they got Jordan Cameron is there, which some people like him, but he's still athletic. Lamar Miller, there's the Miami. Reasons to like be off the chains.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Plenty of reasons to like Ryan Tannehill when you hear all those names. I think part of me says then we'll move on here. But part of me says Parker has the same situation I said with Gordon where we talk about him competing for a starting spot, but they spent a first round pick for him and his talent is so far above a Greg Jennings that I don't think there's any doubt he's on the field. So that's kind of. That doesn't mean. I think his production's through the roof. That's just my take on. On him being on the field. So let's talk Nelson Aguilar of the Eagles real quick here. I think if you're a rookie wide receiver coming into the NFL, you're pretty happy if you land on Chip Kelly's track squad.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Especially after they got rid of Jeremy Macklin. And you have been compared prior to the draft as a Jeremy Macklin type player. I mean, he's coming in to that role. And if you. If you look at, you know, Jordan Matthews, a lot of people were saying Jordan Matthews would go to the outside and have that opportunity because Jeremy Macklin left. But they said all along they want to keep him in that role that he was so good at. And so it makes sense here that Nelson Aguilar would go in and actually fill in that Jeremy Macklin role and that Jeremy Macklin spot. And if he does that, I think this is a perfect example of a guy would want to have in a redraft league 100 times more than Devonte Parker because the opportunity I believe he's going to be there. I don't think there's going to be nearly as many mouths to feed and that's in a much higher power offense that is going to have more snaps per game by a, by a wide margin than the Dolphins, who, you know, went and signed Indomicatsu and are going to grind some games out. You're not grinding and slowing down any games with the Eagles. So I think that depending on where his draft value ends up closer to the draft, he might be a guy that's on almost all my teams.

[Adam Azer]

Chip Kelly in his two years has produced fantastic fantasy wide receivers. He always gives us one elite option and then a two, which is a great option. So I think that Nelson has the chance with Jordan Matthews. What I'm, what I want to see first is I'm not so sure that Matthews keeps manning the slot where Jordan Matthews is a six three guy and Aguilar is only six foot. So. And there was the, the knock on Aguilar from that I was reading of like the anonymous GMs was saying that he's a slot receiver that will cap his value because that's all he can do. So where does he play? Does is it Huff and Matthews on the outside? That's what we don't, we don't know that yet.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you're right. And that's something you have to watch. Right. And even in regards to Matthews, you still have to watch his usage too and what they do with him now that the situation has changed with Macklin. One thing I like about Aguilar that you brought up, I mean he might be 6 foot, but he was a, he was a guy who was super vital on the receiving game or I'm sorry, on the like kicking game for usc. That was one of the things, you go watch the tape. He was one of the leading returners in the league and I can see him being used creatively in those screen passes and just being productive in that type of a role. I think obviously them spending at that high of a pick on him. I think you need to temper any sleeper Josh Huff stuff a little bit because I think Aguilar just jumps into the picture there and I think we all like the opportunity. So, Jason, you talked to me earlier today a little bit about Prashad Perryman.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Going to the Ravens and you made some good points. I'm not the biggest Perryman fan in talent wise, but he's going to the Ravens team that's got old man Smith and that's it.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, and that's it. I mean, it reminds me a little bit of Kelvin Benjamin last year. Kelvin Benjamin, you know, he had a case of the drops, which Bashar Perryman is criticized for. But he came into a team where he was really one of the only options that were legitimate to throw the ball to. He had a very good year. And so I think that Rashad Perriman, first of all, I don't think his drops are going to be as serious as they were in college. I really don't. I think he's going to be able to improve that. It's a concentration issue. It's something he's focusing on and his pedigree is there. I think his talent pre draft, he was one of my highest, most talented players. He goes to a team where the opportunity is completely there for the taking and his skill set of being a complete tall burner, you match that with Joe Flacco's arm and I think that you've got a more talented player than Torrey Smith going into the Torrey Smith role. All of that said, and I like everything I just laid out, I don't like having Torrey Smith on my team because he's a boomer bust guy. And I think you're going to see some of that with Rashad Perryman. So it's like I really like him. I think he finishes the year with good numbers, but he is going to be just judging from the way that offense rolls out, he's going to be a guy that puts up good numbers and then is not reliable through the year. And so that's my worry on him.

[Adam Azer]

I would love to see if somebody has done a study on guys with questionable hands as they come into the NFL. What do they actually improve? Because to me, if you come in with questionable hands, it's like a quarterback who has severe accuracy problems. Yes, the NFL coaches will be able to fine tune a little bit. But if you're a quarterback who, who is inaccurate, you're inaccurate in the NFL. And to me, wide receivers who come in with questionable hands, they have questionable hands for their entire career.

[Mike Wright]

Well, the reason that I, the Reason that I think Bashar Perryman is going to change is because if you go back and look at those drops, some of those drops that were, quote, catchable balls were terrible. He had awful quarterback play. I mean, phenomenally bad quarterback play.

[Jason Moore]

Well, and are his drops going to be the way they used him in college or is it going to be, I mean, is he just running a fly down the side of the field and has to beat his guys down the sideline? I mean, he's not going to be a possession orientated receiver in year one. So I think in that regard maybe those are mitigated a little bit. But put these guys in order. Mike Devonte, Parker, Nelson, Aguilar and Bashar Perryman.

[Adam Azer]

I would risk it on Aguilar, then Parker, then Perryman.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

I would go Aguilar, Perryman, Parker. If it's a redraft league.

[Jason Moore]

Aguilar, Perryman, Parker. Okay, cool, cool. Let's talk Philip Dorset. Mike, you got some hilarious statistics on Philip Dorsett, the surprise pick of the first round to the Indianapolis Colts. If you don't know who he is, he is a little guy. Give me his measurables, Mike.

[Adam Azer]

So we were all blown away when the Indianapolis colts drafted in 2015. They drafted Ty Hilton. Congrats. Congratulations.

[Jason Moore]

Really good player.

[Adam Azer]

Except he's already on your team. What are you doing?

[Jason Moore]

Wait, you're saying they just drafted Ty.

[Adam Azer]

Hilton, Philip Dorsett and Ty Hilton, the exact same size, same height, a difference of weight by four pounds and a difference of a 40 time by point 01. You're how, what are you like? I am baffled by this move of the Colts.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I mean, it's nice to have Ty Hilton, but clearly they need someone across from Ty Hilton. Right. They need someone like, you know, some other option. If only they had other options on the field.

[Adam Azer]

Like Andre Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Dante Monkey.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. He's good.

[Jason Moore]

Kobe Flander.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Kobe Fleener could get. I guess that's a good point.

[Jason Moore]

They need a Dorset because their defense was really good.

[Mike Wright]

Carter. Right.

[Jason Moore]

I think we need to forget Carter now.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Adam Azer]

But the, the fact that to me it's almost like the GM is playing fantasy football where he just, he doesn't really care about winning the Super Bowl. He just wants his offense to be as great as it can possibly be. He wants Andrew Luck to have just historical numbers. So he just, he's going to pad all these super fast wide receivers. Let's not care about winning three guys.

[Jason Moore]

You told me Dante Moncrief 40 times. They have three burners now to go along with Andre Johnson. And yet they had a defense that was struggling against the run. I think they were somewhere in the back half. I know that 18th, 19th against the run last year and a terrible offensive line. But aside from ripping Ryan Grigson a new one, what in the world can Philip Dorsett do in year one? Is he going to return kicks? Is he going to run fly patterns when one of these guys goes down?

[Adam Azer]

When Hilton's winded, he's going to jump out there and run a nine.

[Mike Wright]

I will say this for, you know, because at most everybody right now is saying it's just such a stupid pick. And if you're in a redraft league, seriously, stay away from him. There's just not a whole lot of upside value here. But if you are in a dynasty league, you're pairing him with Andrew Luck for the long term and Andre Johnson is not a long term option. And I think that that's a guy. It reminds me a lot of when the Colts took Reggie Wayne, when people were saying they didn't need Reggie Wayne, they had Marvin Harrison, they wide receivers there. But then long term, it was really good because you paired him with Peyton Manning. So if you are in, you know, it's a guy. He's a guy that I actually really love in a dynasty league, in a rookie draft.

[Jason Moore]

He's a guy I was going to really love if he got signed by the Saints.

[Mike Wright]

Oh.

[Jason Moore]

Because that's who I saw him going to. They were high on him and I was like, man, here it comes. He's going to land with New Orleans and he's going to be Breeze's new target. And I was just disappointed because he's a guy I like. I think he has a lot of talent, but, man, there's just not. He's not getting reps over Hilton. He's not getting reps over Andre Johnson. He might get him over Moncrief, which.

[Adam Azer]

Is baffling because Moncrief is taller and faster and was a highly productive wide receiver for his targets.

[Jason Moore]

I feel like there's something they don't like about him.

[Adam Azer]

Moncrief?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm just throwing that out there. I think there's something personal, something that they don't like about him that much.

[Adam Azer]

Or is it Ty Hilton, who's I believe in a contract here?

[Jason Moore]

I don't know what it is. Leverage or something. But anyway, that's the story on Philip Dorsett. Like, I agree with Jason, you know, he has some dynasty value, but he's, he's Going to disappoint you if you draft him year one. I don't think he needs to go off of anybody's boards. Is there anybody else here before we go and talk to Adam Azer from CBS Sports? We got an interview coming up with him, but is there anybody else on this list? Green Beckham was a guy we thought would go a little higher. He ends up with the Titans and Marcus Mariota.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, that's disappointing.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, very disappointing.

[Jason Moore]

It's a bad match for him. It's a bad landing spot. It's a bad situation.

[Adam Azer]

Well, just especially for this year when you have Marioto come domo arigato coming in and trying to learn a pro system. It just. It's going to be hit or miss for Green Beckham on a weekly basis where Dynasty could be different. Mariota could surprise us on be a fantastic quarterback. But this year you hands off for me.

[Mike Wright]

I know this sounds really stupid what I'm about to say, but I honestly believe that it always. I know, but if Odell Beckham didn't have such an incredible year last year, I feel like people would be off of Doyle Green Beckham just a little bit more than they are.

[Jason Moore]

Wait, the name association.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, the name association.

[Jason Moore]

Because there's all this high on Green Beckham.

[Adam Azer]

David Beckham certainly is very high on him. Yeah, David Beckham, he's bending him into his lineup.

[Mike Wright]

Don't get caught on the name because I saw so many, so many things pre draft talking about how this is the guy target like first he's going to be the most talented, the number one guy in the long term. He, he's like Calvin Johnson and he was being touted like crazy high. If he was really like Calvin Johnson, I don't care the character issues. He wouldn't have dropped to where he dropped to.

[Jason Moore]

He was the number one high school recruit coming into college. And you know what? I would have really liked him if he ended up on the New Orleans Saints.

[Adam Azer]

I would have liked him if he hadn't had an incident of. With a hurting a lady.

[Jason Moore]

I just, I'm willing to give him a second chance on those things as he comes in the NFL if things get straightened out. But second chances notwithstanding, he ends up in a bad situation.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

With a, with a quarterback that's not necessarily a, you know, a downfield year one success. So let's, let's go ahead and take a break here from the rookie wide receivers. Mike, you got something to say? You're finger up.

[Adam Azer]

I want this on the record. Oh, as we talk.

[Jason Moore]

We know you're the biggest Chipotle fan there is. We got it.

[Adam Azer]

That's on the record. That's, that's already. That's spoken for. That's done. That's official. Max Williams, I've been thinking about. We got to have a nickname. You have a guy with two X's in his name.

[Mike Wright]

I like Dos Equis.

[Adam Azer]

I'm coining Dos Equis Williams. You heard it here on the fantasy footballers. That thing is going to spread like wildfire. Dos Equis.

[Mike Wright]

Dos Equis.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's, let's change gears. Let's talk to Adam Azer from CBS Sports.

[Adam Azer]

Would you like me to repeat the question? All right, we are joined by the illustrious Adam Azer from the CBS podcasting fame, in our opinion, besides Andy, of course, the best that's in, in the podcast game. So we are going to get to, to know Adam a little bit with a couple quick questions. So, Adam, can you say hello to the people?

[Andy Holloway]

I know you didn't just call me illustrious.

[Adam Azer]

Oh, I did, my friend.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Adam Azer]

Well, hello.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you guys for having me on. I really appreciate it. You guys are good, great up and coming podcasts and I'm very happy to be here.

[Adam Azer]

Well, we, we appreciate that. So let's get to know Adam. What is your favorite food?

[Andy Holloway]

That is a good question.

[Jason Moore]

Didn't see that one coming.

[Andy Holloway]

The big three. Big three would be pizza, cheeseburgers, and burritos.

[Adam Azer]

Dude, you just became my best friend. I was thinking if he says burrito, then we got the trifecta going.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I don't know what I would choose. I've thought about, I've actually thought about that a lot. And as we're speaking, I'm seeing a commercial for the Steak Double Dia Taco Bell, and it's kind of making me lean towards Mexican food.

[Adam Azer]

You got to come out to Arizona because we got it good out here.

[Andy Holloway]

I've been to Arizona. I had a horrible memory in Arizona.

[Adam Azer]

I apologize. Then what is your favorite movie?

[Andy Holloway]

Probably Braveheart. Braveheart, yes.

[Mike Wright]

That's mine as well. Thank you for such good taste in your food and movies.

[Adam Azer]

And last one about get to know Adam. What is your favorite football player of all time?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man. You know, I don't really care about players, honestly. Like, I never was into jerseys or autographs or anything, so that is tough. I talked to Tiki Barber on the phone one time and thanked him for some fantasy production. When I was in college. My brother met him and put him on the phone with Me. So I'll say Tiki Barber, even though he was kind of a jerk after he retired. Yeah, a little bit while he was playing. He and Strahan were my. Were my favorites.

[Adam Azer]

All right, so let's talk a little bit about. A little bit about the draft. The first. The first thing that people actually want to know, what I think they want to know are you. Do you have any bust alerts?

[Andy Holloway]

I think Mariota, I said it last week. He's not exactly a fantasy bust, I don't think, because I doubt he gets drafted, really, unless it's a dynasty league. And I could see myself being wrong on it. But I just looked at all the Oregon players, the skilled position players who are in the NFL, and almost all of them are bad. They almost. They do nothing. You know, Jonathan Stewart, leguerre, Blunt. They've had their moments. But like I said, I mean, it's like they get to the NFL and they're like, oh, people cover us in the NFL, and it's just. It just doesn't translate. And when I watched him, for me, I got a lot of heat for this On Twitter, actually, when I was watching the. I had this opinion before that I like college football a lot, and I'm an ACC guy, so I watched a lot of Jameis Winston. I'm a Miami guy, so I hate Jameis Winston. But there's no denying that he was a really good passer, and I always thought he was a better pro prospect than Mariota. And then when they played against each other, I know Winston didn't have a very good game. But, like, just from an, you know, amateur football fan scouting perspective, which I think we all become this time of year.

[Adam Azer]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, there's no doubt in my mind Winston was a real NFL quarterback. I just never really felt that way about Mariota, and I still don't think. I don't think he's walking into a great situation either. So he'd be a bust for me.

[Adam Azer]

All right. In Arizona, so we try not to be homers for our team, which I think we do a pretty good job of steering people from that. However, with the offensive line upgrades and the draft of David Johnson, I think I might need some talking down off of a ledge because my. My desire for him on my fantasy team might be a little bit too high. So what are your thoughts of David Johnson?

[Andy Holloway]

No, that makes a lot of sense, actually. You asked for another bust, and I think a potential bust could be Duke Johnson.

[Adam Azer]

Oh, right.

[Andy Holloway]

If you're looking at rookie running backs, I like Duke, I think he's really best suited to let Isaiah Crowell carry the rock a lot and he can be kind of a Shane Vereen type player. I think he's gonna get too dinged up. So if you're choosing between running backs who are drafted in the third round, I like David Johnson a lot more than I like Duke Johnson. I like TJ Yeldin and David Johnson and Tevin Coleman. Those are the three after the two guys were drafted in the first round. And we'll see what the injury situation is with Gurley. But after Gurley and Gordon, those three running backs, Coleman, Yelden and David Johnson have a really good chance to be good early. They're going to have, I think, opportunities. I was never an Andre Ellington believer, not because I don't believe in the talent. You guys can comment on this, but I just never thought he could stay healthy and I never thought he could, you know, average a good enough yards per carry if he was getting enough carries in between the tackles. So I think you're right. I mean, I think David Johnson has a really good opportunity. I can't sit here and say I know much about him. I didn't really watch him in college, but it's really not about that at this point. All these guys are talented. I let the NFL GMs sort out who's better. I'm just going to look at opportunity and he's got a great one.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, we agree completely on Ellington and we actually think David Johnson helps Ellington move back to that role where he was very successful his rookie year.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

So you mentioned those first two guys, Melvin Gordon and Todd Gurley. How do you think for where Melvin Gordon is getting drafted? Do you think he's going to be worth the draft pick in third or fourth round or do you think you'd steer clear and go for those other guys you mentioned that were on the third round?

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know. I mean, I'm tired of watching of Wisconsin running backs, but I just feel like Gordon, he's a different breed than Monte Ball and Ron Dane and I don't want to lump him with those guys. He's more of a playmaker and I think he's going to have so many touches potential potentially that he might not average a great yards per carry, but he could still be really productive. So I'm tempted to think that short term he could be the best rookie running back. I don't know about long term. I looked at the Big Ten and all of his opponent run defenses and man, they were Terrible. I mean, I can't imagine a high profile running back who faced worse run defenses than Melvin Gordon did last year. And over the last two years when he faced top 40 run defenses, I think three out of four times, he didn't really have that good of a game. I don't know if that means anything, but I'm a little skeptical. But I just think the opportunity is gonna be good. I think Gordon will, will return. Good fourth round value. I don't think third round, I think third round seems a little too high for me, but fourth round, I could see it working out.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that, that makes a lot of sense. And, and with, with Gordon, you know, he's one of those guys we talk about what you said, talent, supporting cast and opportunity, and at least he has those in front of him. That's why I think David Johnson's attractive as well. If we, if we shift gears and talk a little bit about what we saw last year, which was this plethora of rookie wide receivers just exploding onto the fantasy scene, do you, you know, regardless of that, do you think, do you, do you believe in the rookie wide receiver now that you've seen it with that many guys, or are you stepping back off of that? Or, or what are some of the.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I totally believe it. I don't know that we should have the same expectations. Let's, let's not put expectations too high for these guys. But I totally believe in the rookie wide receivers. I think Amari Cooper and Kevin White. You. I'm not gonna tell you which one to take first.

[Jason Moore]

We're having a tough time deciding to.

[Adam Azer]

The answer is Kevin White.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, we disagree. Some of us disagree here, but yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Some of us love the combine, apparently.

[Adam Azer]

We sure do.

[Jason Moore]

Jump high.

[Andy Holloway]

Tell me why you're going. Kevin White.

[Adam Azer]

Just his, his measurables combined with a man that we lovingly call smokin, Jay Cuddy, and his just propensity to, to take the one on one shot, to not care. He will throw it up. And I think Kevin White can excel with a quarterback who's giving them those shots. Plus Alshon Jeffries. Not too bad.

[Andy Holloway]

No, but, you know, they, obviously they have a new coaching staff, new offensive coordinator, they might try to run the ball a little bit more. They drafted Jeremy Langford, who I think was a good, good guy to target in dynasty leagues, probably not seasonal leagues, unless you're handcuffing Forte. And then Amari Cooper is obviously the number one guy in Oakland. I think maybe not at the beginning, but by, let's say, the fourth game, he'll be the clear cut, number one guy. Yeah. And if you believe in Carr, then you can believe in Cooper. And even if you don't believe in Carr, you didn't have to believe in the Tampa Bay quarterback situation to believe in Mike Evans. Right, right.

[Adam Azer]

So are you off of Kadeem Carey?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm off of Kadeem Carey.

[Mike Wright]

Were you ever on Khadim Carrey?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I wasn't. I mean, that's the thing. Like, they never really had an exciting handcuff option. I don't know if they do now. You know, like, I don't want to sit here and I'm going to say this on. We're doing a podcast tomorrow or Thursday, depending on people. Listen to this. Thursday. I'm not going to sit here and try to be a scout and pretend that I know who's good and who's not. We're obviously going to have to look at opportunity. I remember last year we did a Dynasty draft on the air and I took. I took Alfred Blue over James White, and I think both Jamie and Dave were like, ripping me for it. I'm like, come on, we don't know. We don't know. James White's Wisconsin running back. They're all terrible. And obviously, like, Blue wasn't great or anything, but White was much worse. So who knows what's gonna happen with the rookies. I think you look at opportunity and White and Cooper have a great opportunity. And I think Devonte Parker going to be really, really fantasy relevant this year as well.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, we really like Tannehill coming up for this next year. Now, I heard you say on your show you. You stepped out and you predicted that Jeremy Hill would be a top three pick next year. Are you standing by that statement?

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. Yes, absolutely. Is that even. Is that really bold or.

[Adam Azer]

No, no, not for us. We're just. It helps our situation because we are. I feel like we're extremely high on Hill compared to kind of the things we see out there. So it's just nice to have another voice kind of say, hey, you guys are probably on the right track with that one.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, there have been a lot of sophomore running backs who have taken a step back, and I don't know that I can think off the top of my head. Maybe you guys can help me out. I just remember kind of studying it, but Trent Richardson was an obvious example and Zach Stacy was a. Was a huge example last year. Doug Martin is the main reason that I have any concern about Jeremy Hill, because Hill had a Lot of carries. And if they scale that back, how successful can he be? I still buy it. I still think he's going to be good.

[Jason Moore]

Trying to find the argument against, at least.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's just like when you do these things and you have to make predictions on the air, you have to. You have to look at the downside of your prediction. You have to make arguments against it and play devil's advocate against yourself, basically. But that's the only. I mean, there's really not much to doubt with Jeremy Hill. I think he's really damn good. And it's like, yeah, let's just go ahead and call him the next Eddie lacy, the next Le'Veon Bell. This guy's gonna be a top five. I say top three pick next year.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah, I agree. So do you have any thoughts on Jimmy Graham? Where are you. Where's your. Where are you standing with him? Is he still the number two guy, or can someone like Travis Kelce surpass him?

[Andy Holloway]

I don't see it. I suppose Kelce's possible, but I don't see it. I think it's Graham, and I think he might end up being a little underdrafted this year. I understand that everybody thinks. I'm totally distracted right now. You know those commercials where that. What is it? It's like a DirecTV commercial where that girl Hannah is walking with her and the horse talks. Yeah, the guy from Flight of the Concords. Yeah, he's really hot. And I totally lost my talking horse. Jimmy Graham will be fine.

[Adam Azer]

So you think even moving from. Because you were talking about Jeremy Hill's volume. Jimmy Graham's volume, It can't be anywhere near what he was getting in New Orleans.

[Andy Holloway]

No, but the touchdowns should still be there. He's obviously their best red zone threat other than Marshawn Lynch.

[Jason Moore]

He's their best receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

100%. He's their best receiver. So. And I think that. I think that they have to start giving the ball, putting the ball in. In Russell Wilson's hands a little bit more and passing the ball a little bit more. So not that they're going to be a passing team by any means, but, you know, tight ends, they make their livings on touchdowns. And I still think he's going to. You know, I still think he can catch 10 touchdowns and be the number two tight end behind Gronk.

[Adam Azer]

Okay, do you have. It's. We're very early, but do you have a favorite breakout guy who you're kind of keeping an eye on right now?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, DeAndre Hopkins isn't exactly original, but you can't, I mean, you can't like take a rookie receiver over him. Some people aren't convinced because of the quarterback situation, which is understandable. But I think he's going to be great. And I'm really looking at Ryan Tannehill. It's tough with quarterback breakouts just because unless you're in like a 16 team league, most people are gonna have a good quarterback. And I don't think you want to draft Tannehill necessarily to be your starter, but high end backup who could end up being a top five or six quarterback, I really believe that. I think the Dolphins offensive line sort of fell apart at the end of last year. If it didn't, they probably would have made the playoffs. I'm kind of high on them and I think drafting Parker was a great move and I think Lamar Miller is a breakout in that. We saw it from him last year, but now he can put it together hopefully for a full season and you know, he could have a strong year and be like an early second round pick next year.

[Adam Azer]

So no Ajayu concern?

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think so. I mean, they drafted him pretty late. He's got a serious knee issue, which is why he went so late. And there's nothing wrong with having another guy there. Miller has to get better at being good after 10 carries. His yards per carry really dropped after 10 carries. I don't really get that. Doesn't seem to make much sense. I bet it's a little fluky and it fixes itself this year if they use him right. He's a very versatile player and yeah, I mean they need to spell him. So I got no problem with them bringing in a running back and the fact that they drafted Ajayi pretty late and he's got the knee issue. I'm not, I'm not too concerned about it.

[Mike Wright]

So, Adam, we here at the Footballers, we have what we call water bets, which is essentially when we disagree with each other, we have a wheel of water that we spin and clown the other person. And one of our current water bets is regarding Ryan Tannehill. So I'm curious your take between who you think finishes stronger, Ryan Tannehill or Cam Newton?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you have to. I have to go with Cam.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. You're so smart, Adam. Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

You're talking about like a six round difference though. You know, I'll probably draft Tannehill at his value, but just straight up, you got to go with Cam. Cam finished the year pretty damn strong. I don't I don't really like the Funches pick, but I'm wondering if Dave Gettleman is just like, a really shrewd GM and we haven't quite caught on yet because they kind of panned him for the Kelvin Benjamin pick.

[Adam Azer]

Well, now he has two big receivers who can drop passes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I know Benjamin's not a great player, but he was certainly better than better than we thought. And the Panthers were better than I thought they'd be last year.

[Mike Wright]

So what happens if Funches is marked in as a tight end? Does that change value? Yeah, there's some talk that he might be labeled as a tight end. Would that, like, rocket him up the tight end list to you or make a difference?

[Andy Holloway]

That's a really good question. I. And whoever laughed at it should be ashamed of themselves.

[Jason Moore]

That was Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike. I think so. I think tight end is so bad. And after Kelsey, there are about 15 tight ends from, like, Antonio Gates to Josh Hill to anyone in Denver that could finish in the top six. They're just all the same to me. So I think, yeah, I mean, if Funches is listed as a tight end in your league, I think absolutely. I think I might take him, like, ahead of, like, a Kyle Rudolph or an Eric Ebron and just hope for upside there. He might. He might be, like, the number six or seven tight end for me.

[Mike Wright]

Very cool.

[Adam Azer]

All right, so we're about to wrap up, but we have we here at the Footballers. Our philosophy on quarterback is usually late. So what. What is the earliest you like to draft a quarterback?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, it depends who I'm drafting with. If I'm drafting with CBSSports.com guys, it's like they're determined to just, like, you guys, show the world, be the last. Yeah. So I end up taking, like, Peyton Manning in round four.

[Adam Azer]

Oh, I would do that, too.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, okay. I wasn't planning on taking a quarterback in round four, but I'll take Peyton Manning. So in a recent draft I just did with them, I took Gronk in round one and Manning in round four. I ended up kind of hating my teams. I was so bad at running back. But then when you take a step back and you look at how good you are at quarterback, at tight end, it might not matter. Earliest out to take one would have to be a situation where one of the top guys falls. But realistically, round six or seven.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Yeah. Yeah. That's always a difficult thing, but we really appreciate having you on, Adam. Thanks for coming on. And how can people get ahold of.

[Andy Holloway]

You just Call me.

[Jason Moore]

How can they find you on Twitter.

[Andy Holloway]

Here at Amazer A I Z E R. And yeah, just listen to the podcast. Fantasy football today. Fantasy baseball today. You guys got to play fantasy baseball, by the way.

[Jason Moore]

I can't talk these guys into even trying that. I don't even know if they know what that sport is. I really don't. I'm not sure.

[Andy Holloway]

It's really fun, man. Hard, hard work pays off. Like football is kind of random. Everybody's good at it. It's a lot easier. Baseball is like, you do your research and do your work, you're gonna win.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. See it, it seems like the grind. I see your tweets coming through all the time and I, I know these guys aren't playing running back for any of the teams that I'm on, so.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

But yeah, thanks so much for coming on. We really appreciate it. Love the show. Definitely an inspiration to us. We've always loved it.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you guys for having me. It was a pleasure. And like I said, you guys do a great job.

[Adam Azer]

Hey, thanks, Adam.

[Mike Wright]

Thanks.

[Jason Moore]

Alright, let's turn over to the mailbag and answer some listener questions.

[Mike Wright]

Mailbag.

[Adam Azer]

Let's turn it over to some. Listen to question. I was psychedelic.

[Jason Moore]

You just laugh when I speak. That's just the way it works.

[Adam Azer]

Mailbag. I apologize. I'll get it next time.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well, let's go to the mailbag. Let's answer some questions. This one comes in from Will. Man, I always want to do your review voice. This one comes in from Will. Morning, dudes. That's what he calls us.

[Adam Azer]

Oh, I thought you were inferring that was his last name.

[Jason Moore]

Well, morning dudes.

[Adam Azer]

Will. Morning dudes.

[Jason Moore]

Morning dudes. I'm a recent acquisition of your podcast. Did we purchase you purchase you? And I am so thankful to have found you. You guys are always talking value. So he wants our thoughts. It's a 12 team PPR.1 keeper snake draft. Option one, keep Eddie Lacy for his third round pick. Option two, keep Mike Evans for his ninth round pick. And then depending on what you say, he has a little follow up.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, I would, I would go with Lacy in the third. The value is great. Still, I think Mike Evans regresses a little bit. It's still good value in the ninth, but you know when you can get. I would pick Lacey with the number one pick. Well, in a PPR I'd still take Le'Veon Bell, but my answer is Eddie Lacey.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Adam Azer]

That is an ultimate value pick of a guy who could possibly be a wide receiver. One in the ninth, but I'm going to, I'm going to take the running back of Eddie Lacy in the third.

[Jason Moore]

So his question then is if he keeps Lacy, does he go top shelf RB if he has one of the top picks, or should he be looking wide receiver, Wide receiver to pair with Lacy in rounds two and three? Well, that's hard to answer without seeing the board in a keeper league and which guys are there.

[Mike Wright]

So, yeah, I would, I would actually say you.

[Jason Moore]

I draft Mike Evans. No.

[Mike Wright]

Well, you, you don't go in. I mean, I think that the, the biggest rookie mistake that's made, not rookie, like the biggest intermediate mistake that's made. Once you kind of figure this out, you've been doing some mock drafts, you're, you're preparing for your draft, is deciding, I'm going this position, this position. Because then during the draft, you stop looking at who's on the board as much as you, you should be because you're kind of locked into the position you're drafting. So pay attention to who's on the board. When you start out with one player and it's a good stud running back. Pair him with the stud running back if he's better than the wide receivers and pair him with the wide receivers if he's better than the running backs on the board.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's good advice, Jason. Jason Moore, Good advice.

[Adam Azer]

Good enough.

[Jason Moore]

Mike B. Writes, I just acquired Kevin White in a rookie draft and he also already has Alshon Jeffrey. How would you address playing them throughout the season and should I trade one of them for more RB depth picks or just stick with the tandem? What do you guys, what are you guys view on the tandem situation? Because I can give you a bunch of other ones. Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb. Yeah, that worked out okay. How about Andre Johnson and Ty Hilton this year?

[Mike Wright]

I think that'll work out.

[Jason Moore]

Not too bad.

[Adam Azer]

Roddy White, Julio Jones from years past.

[Jason Moore]

Or even this year.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, all that being said. All that being said, I think in a. Obviously there's a dynasty league.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Rookie let.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah. So in the, in a dynasty league, Kevin White's value is going to be fantastic. And I think that you don't have to worry about all Sean Jeffrey being gone anytime soon. You've got a stud there for a long time. And so I would use the value of Kevin White to trade him because he's going to, he's going to net you something great. And you could pair him and go for the championship this year and still have a team built for the future that would be what I would do.

[Adam Azer]

It really depends on who I can get for Kevin White. But I have no problem playing tandem wide receivers if the offense is producing, you know, like the Green Bay or Atlanta. I'm not sure that the John Fox Chicago Bears can do it exactly. But I don't know what his roster or how many people you have to play. But if, if Kevin White, say, is your flex or your three, sure, I'll play both.

[Mike Wright]

Also factor this in. Right. Smoking J. Cudi in a dynasty league. How many years is he in Chicago? What do you, what do you think?

[Adam Azer]

Two.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And then they're going to have to draft somebody new. I'm just saying, you don't know what the quarter. It's not a long term great. Like at what point does Kevin White become the number one there and overtake Ashon Jeffrey? Is it next year? Is it the year after? If it's the year after, what happens to their quarterback situation? There's actually a lot of question marks that right now aren't in Kevin White's name.

[Jason Moore]

So confusing. I don't even want to play fantasy football anymore.

[Mike Wright]

It's okay, buddy.

[Jason Moore]

Those are good points. This next question from Michael K kind of speaks to what you just said, Jason. He says he's been drafting like this, rb, wide receiver, wide receiver, rb, qb, tight end, dst and then picks his backups and that's what he does every year. So he wants to know if he should mix it up going into this draft. And you just spoke to this point, when you go into your draft with a predetermined plan, you have many opportunities to miss the boat on guys you should be drafting because values will be there that you weren't expecting. And if you're too locked in, like Jason said, you're going to miss them. And so we might like running backs in general more than wide receivers, but I can promise you if Mike is staring down Julio Jones or Lamar Miller, he's going to make a value decision on those positions. Am I right?

[Adam Azer]

Yeah. But I will say this. Generally speaking, things draft flow changes, it's a, it's a wild animal. But by the sixth round almost, I'd say 98% of the time, I will have three running backs on my team.

[Jason Moore]

And that was one of your principles though, in general, right? Never have more wide receivers on your roster than running backs because of position scarcity issues.

[Adam Azer]

Yeah. And I will often take the first running back who's going to sit on my bench before I have a wide receiver too.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I don't think you need to worry about what position you're going to draft, but I think it is smart to know what positions you're not going to draft. You know, if you're not going to take a quarterback early, if you know that, or you're not going to take two tight ends. You know, don't, you know, don't be fooled by thinking, you know, oh, I've got a good value on the board for my fifth wide receiver. Then at that point you go, no, don't, don't just look at the value on the board.

[Adam Azer]

It looks like he's taking a tight end in the sixth round. The tight end you're getting in the sixth, unless somehow Greg Olson is there, you're getting a guy who you could draft an equivalent value in the 10th.

[Mike Wright]

Just like Adam Mazer was saying after those first three guys, you know, all those tight ends are just all the same. They're just a bunch of the same. So just wait, wait till, you know, the third to last round and grab somebody off of that list because you've got more chances to get that flyer running back stud who's going to win a championship doing the preset. You know, I'm going in drafting this way. That is how you finish well and never get a championship.

[Jason Moore]

Good answer, good answer. Hopefully that helps you out. I got a couple quick ones from Twitter here and then I got one more that I think is a really good question, kind of a philosophical question in terms of strategy. But let me ask this one for you guys. First one comes in from nasty debate. What do you do with Justin Blackman?

[Mike Wright]

Break up, dump them. I don't see any long term value. I don't see any short term value.

[Adam Azer]

Mike, you cry over what could have been.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I agree. You don't pay much attention to his name ever again until you need to. Kevin White or Kelvin Benjamin.

[Mike Wright]

I like that question.

[Adam Azer]

That's really tough question for me because I'm a big Kevin White guy and I'm not a Kelvin Benjamin supporter. However, Benjamin is established in the one. So if we're talking redraft, I'm going to take Benjamin over White. But if you're, if you're in a dynasty, then I'm taking Kevin White.

[Jason Moore]

I'm identical Eileen Benjamin as well. Who do you prefer from these three quarterbacks? Carson Palmer, Ryan Tannehill or Andy Dalton?

[Mike Wright]

That's easy. Ryan Tannehill.

[Adam Azer]

Depends on when I'm getting them.

[Jason Moore]

If we're saying these are all later round, so assume, assume you're drafting them.

[Mike Wright]

All three are on the board.

[Adam Azer]

So let's say that all three are on the board and I'm taking the last quarterback. It's going to be Tannehill. However, I really like Carson Palmer this year and I think you'll be able to get him super, super late.

[Jason Moore]

No love for the Red Rocket?

[Adam Azer]

None.

[Jason Moore]

I figured as much. All right, this is the last question we'll answer today as we're running out of time here. But Josh wants to know this basic question. Okay. Do you guys consider revising your rankings based on leagues that do performance bonuses? So an example that would be a quarterback big game bonus where they get two bonus points when they hit the 300 passing yard mark, the 350 or the 400. Or a running back that gets a two point bonus when they hit the hundred yard mark. And he asked this because does it change? Is it just the Rolling Tide where everybody's rankings stay the same or because quarterback can hit 300 yards easier than a running back can get 100 yards, does it change to where quarterbacks are more valuable? I mean what is your guys opinion on this type of a league? Does it change anything for you?

[Adam Azer]

It changes hardly anything for me and I agree. The everybody goes up when you get the bonus points for a quarterback because it everyone throws for 250 or 300 in a running back. It maybe puts even more emphasis on trying to get the BALCO running back who's going to get the 100 yard games.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, just punching my microphone.

[Adam Azer]

The the only thing I would say maybe changes it. If you have a quarterback system where 300, 350 and 400 all get a two point bonus. Maybe I'm more inclined to take one of those quarterbacks who's increment like that, right?

[Jason Moore]

Oh yeah, I agree with you on that.

[Mike Wright]

I think that because it's a common question of how much change is there from like PPR to non ppr, not, not from who's better because obviously that does change. But from a positional standpoint, are wide receivers more valuable? Are running backs more valuable? When you're talking about scoring changes within a position, it doesn't really do much. Everybody rises, everybody falls and then there's a couple people in each position that do change and the order of that position changes. But the one thing that will change your draft dramatically is roster. Roster changes everything. If you've got a two quarterback league, it flips the quarterbacks to becoming very valuable because position scarcity is what matters. If you only need to start two running backs and you can't even start a third running back. Running backs aren't nearly as valuable as in the leagues where you are forced to start two and many will be starting three. Or, you know, just look at the positions and you know, when you, when you know your league, look how many guys need to start and then go and look just as if you want to make it simple, look how many guys are going to be starting in your league. There's 12 teams, there's two quarterbacks. So that means I got 24 quarterbacks. Go and look at the last year's numbers and see where were the top 24 and where's the drop off? Because every position has a drop off from decent to death. And if you go, man, that happens at 16, then you know you've got to get that too way earlier. So, you know, that would be my philosophy, but my real philosophy.

[Jason Moore]

Your real philosophy?

[Mike Wright]

My real philosophy.

[Jason Moore]

But that was pretty long to be a fake philosophy.

[Mike Wright]

Well, you know, my more important philosophy.

[Adam Azer]

Oh, my goodness.

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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