Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Top 20 Tight Ends, Preseason Review, News, Mailbag

Summary

Episode Summary: Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Top 20 Tight Ends, Preseason Review, News, Mailbag

Release Date: August 21, 2015

Welcome to this comprehensive summary of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast episode from August 21, 2015. In this episode, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright delve deep into their Top 20 Tight Ends rankings, provide a thorough preseason review, discuss pertinent fantasy football news, and engage with listener questions in the mailbag segment.

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1. Introduction

The hosts kick off the episode with their usual camaraderie, briefly touching on the excitement of it being Friday and reminiscing about past moments in fantasy football. They emphasize the importance of their listeners, the "Foot Clan," and encourage participation in their listener survey to help secure top-tier sponsors and enhance the show's quality.

Notable Quote:

• Mike Wright [01:57]: "We just saw some preseason football. This is the Fantasy Footballers Podcast."

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2. Top 20 Tight Ends Rankings

Consensus Top 4 Tight Ends:

1. Rob Gronkowski (#1): Unsurprisingly leading the rankings, Gronkowski's dominance in the tight end position remains unquestioned.

2. Jimmy Graham (#2): While a consensus favorite, the hosts express skepticism about Graham's potential to maintain his high production with Seattle's quarterback Russell Wilson, who hasn't historically leaned heavily on tight ends for significant yardage or touchdowns.

   Notable Quote:

   • Jason Moore [14:38]: "Loan sharks are coming. There is no league that Jimmy Graham would be on any one of our teams. It'd be impossible for us to draft Jimmy Graham."

3. Travis Kelsey (#3): A reliable and consistent performer, Kelsey holds his position firmly with the potential for high touchdown output.

4. Greg Olsen (#4): Elevated due to changes in team dynamics, especially following Kelvin Benjamin's injury in 2015, Olsen is expected to reclaim his role as a primary target, potentially exceeding 1,000 receiving yards.

   Notable Quote:

   • Andy Holloway [16:11]: "Greg Olson has to be in that same group now."

Mid-Tier Tight Ends (5-10):

• Jason Witten (#5): Known for his consistent performance, Witten remains a top-tier tight end option.

• Martellus Bennett (#6): Despite past fluctuations, Bennett is seen as a valuable asset, especially in a team needing a reliable target post-Brandon Marshall.

  Notable Quote:

  • Mike Wright [19:15]: "I'm fine waiting for two thirds of these guys to be gone and taking one in the 10th round."

Lower-Tier Tight Ends (11-20):

• The hosts discuss tight ends like Vernon Davis (#14) and Antonio Gates (#18), weighing their potential resurgence against concerns like injuries and suspensions.

  Notable Quote:

  • Mike Wright [30:26]: "He's already got 10 years of proving it."

• Owen Daniels (#19) and Charles Clay (#20): The trio debates Daniels' performance and potential in Denver, highlighting differing opinions on his value in fantasy leagues.

  Notable Quote:

  • Andy Holloway [33:13]: "I have him getting 55 receptions this year."

Strategic Insights:

• Draft Strategy: The consensus leans towards drafting top tight ends early, while advocating for seeking value in later rounds. The hosts discourage overemphasizing tight ends during the draft, emphasizing the importance of depth and flexibility in roster construction.

  Notable Quote:

  • Andy Holloway [17:39]: "I am really waiting. The one thing when we were making these rankings that showed to me was like, there are 20 tight ends that I am fine rolling out there week one."

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3. Preseason Review

The hosts analyze key preseason performances, focusing on emerging players and those returning from injuries.

• Matt Jones (Washington): Jones impressed the hosts with his touchdown-scoring ability and big plays behind Alfred Morris. His performance indicates potential as a reliable tight end option if Alfred Morris remains unsigned beyond the season.

  Notable Quote:

  • Mike Wright [08:07]: "He looked really good on the field because they seem to like him a lot in camp in Washington."

• Alfred Morris (Dallas): While Morris remains a strong fantasy option, concerns linger about his injury status and the potential impact of Joseph Randle's oblique injury on Dallas's backfield dynamics.

  Notable Quote:

  • Jason Moore [05:28]: "If Stewart goes down, I mean Cameron Artist Payne is the major pain, is a super high upside running back potential type of handcuff."

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4. News Highlights

Quarterback Developments:

• Tyrod Taylor (Buffalo): Taylor's impressive preseason performance positions him as a frontrunner for the starting quarterback role, offering a high floor due to his running ability and potential weekly yardage.

  Notable Quote:

  • Andy Holloway [06:22]: "Tyrod Taylor Swampland of quarterbacks in Buffalo because Matt Castle and EJ Manual are not the answer there."

Injury Reports:

• Joseph Randle (Dallas): Randle's re-aggravated oblique injury raises concerns about his reliability and overall value in fantasy drafts, especially with Mark Ingram's potential role impact.

  Notable Quote:

  • Jason Moore [04:15]: "Joseph Randle, his ADP. As we've talked about his creeping up. He's now in the third round."

Owen Daniels and Antonio Gates:

• Owen Daniels (Denver): Mixed opinions arise regarding Daniels' potential impact in Denver. While some believe his history with Peyton Manning suggests a solid performance, others remain skeptical due to past injuries and inconsistent production.

  Notable Quote:

  • Andy Holloway [33:13]: "His upside is there."

• Antonio Gates: Despite a four-game suspension affecting his season outlook, Gates remains a favorite for some hosts due to his proven track record and touchdown potential.

  Notable Quote:

  • Mike Wright [30:26]: "But he's great. And there are many more games in the season."

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5. Mailbag

The listeners' questions provide practical fantasy football dilemmas, which the hosts address with their expert opinions.

Keeper League Decisions:

• Player Choices: A listener in a 10-team standard league asks whether to keep Odell Beckham Jr., Mike Evans, or C.J. Anderson. The hosts lean towards retaining C.J. Anderson due to his consistent performance and potential for longevity.

  Notable Quote:

  • Mike Wright [41:19]: "I think what we're all staring down here is CJ or ODB in the 10th."

Trade Evaluations:

• Ty Hilton and Mark Ingram Trade: Another listener inquires about trading Ty Hilton and Devin Funches for Cooper and Ingram. The hosts generally advise against the trade, questioning the substantial benefit and expressing preference for maintaining current running back depth.

  Notable Quote:

  • Andy Holloway [44:16]: "I don't feel like Mark Ingram is a guaranteed improvement over Alfred Morris."

Late-Round Wide Receiver Picks:

• WR Selection: For late-round wide receiver selections in a PPR league, Eddie Royal is the favored choice due to his upside and reception potential.

  Notable Quote:

  • Mike Wright [42:50]: "I go, it's Eddie Royal for me."

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6. Strategic Takeaways and Conclusion

The episode wraps up with strategic advice:

• Draft Flexibility: Emphasize flexibility during drafts by valuing tight ends later and focusing on building a balanced roster.

• Season-Long Management: Success in fantasy football hinges more on in-season management than draft-day decisions. The hosts encourage listeners to remain engaged throughout the season to maximize their teams' potential.

  Notable Quote:

  • Andy Holloway [35:22]: "Don't get crazy caught up with who you're going to draft and your... your draft is your end. All be all."

• Engagement and Support: The hosts remind listeners to participate in their survey to help sustain and improve the show, ensuring continued expert analysis and advice.

  Notable Quote:

  • Jason Moore [36:33]: "Please help us go by going to podsurvey.com footballers."

As the episode concludes, the hosts tease upcoming segments like "Draft Day Tricks," "Risers and Fallers," and "Preseason Week Two," promising listeners more insights and strategies to enhance their fantasy football experience.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, Foot Clan. Before we get started with today's show, we have a really important survey that we would really love you guys to check out and do for us. We have some of the best sponsors in the fantasy football industry, and the reason is because we have the best listeners in the fantasy football industry. And we need to prove that with having our listeners, our Foot Clan, go and take a survey for us. It means a lot to us. So please go to POD Survey. The survey only takes about five minutes. We ask a couple questions about yourself, what you like to buy, and it is completely anonymous. It just helps us find the most awesome sponsors, keep the show free, keep the show rocking, and in addition to that, when you finish, you can actually enter into a $100 monthly drawing for an Amazon gift card. So it helps you, helps our sponsors, helps the show. It's awesome. Please go. Once again, the survey address, URL is podsurvey.com footballers. Thank you for helping us find the best sponsors possible to keep the show awesome for you. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

What is going on, everybody? It's Friday. It is Friday.

[Jason Moore]

That's Rebecca Black's favorite day of the week.

[Mike Wright]

Wow. I have forgotten that moment in time. Never, never forget August 21st. We're back again. It is Friday. We just saw some preseason football.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

This is the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. I'm joined, as always, by Mike the Fantasy Hitman Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Greetings.

[Mike Wright]

And Jason Moore, who has new glasses.

[Andy Holloway]

I have them, thanks to my wife.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, they look sharp.

[Mike Wright]

They do. You look pretty good.

[Andy Holloway]

They all look like, based on my.

[Mike Wright]

Wife, 2 to 3% more trustworthy. And all your fantasy advice right here.

[Jason Moore]

I would agree with that.

[Mike Wright]

Don't you?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I've been swerv.

[Mike Wright]

We're up to 10%. We're up to 10%. Welcome to this show. We got a good show for you today. We're talking our 1 through 20 tight end rankings. We're going to go over a bunch of news and notes, talk about the preseason games that took place last night and the ones that are heading into the weekend. The things we're looking for and we're paying attention to as you approach your fantasy drafts. I want to thank everybody for all the love on Twitter, on itunes. Honestly, this show doesn't exist without you guys.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, the Foot Clan, we are very appreciative.

[Mike Wright]

It makes all the difference in the world, the support that you give us, the reviews and the participation in the show.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And let's be honest, you Guys are the best. I mean, literally, I think of all the podcasts out there, you guys, if I know I'm known for toot tooting ourselves, but our listeners are truly awesome. Your guys follow through on things blows me away. Love it. Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

And the incessant mocking and calling me the fantasy reaper. This past week was pretty good.

[Jason Moore]

That is stuck, my friend.

[Mike Wright]

That is the only thing I was mad about is that you just threw Kelvin Benjamin in there. Just because I hated Benjamin before he.

[Jason Moore]

No, no. Because now every time someone gets hurt, it's your fault.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Doesn't matter.

[Mike Wright]

It is funny. Hey, quick question for you guys. I am afraid of drafting blank. Who are you afraid of drafting the most right now?

[Andy Holloway]

Right now. If I had a draft today, it would be Lashawn McCoy because he's costing, you know, a late first, early second. And I am not sold on the health of his knee. Whenever there's a.

[Mike Wright]

His knee or his hamstring.

[Andy Holloway]

His hamstring. I'm optimistic that he'll be back by week one. Says to me there's a chance that he's got to miss games and that this thing comes back and lingers. We're still a couple weeks away where he can re aggravate it too. So my point is, I would be scared to take him.

[Mike Wright]

He's a. He's a hard guy to draft right now. That's what that is, right?

[Jason Moore]

Because you just don't know and it costs so much.

[Mike Wright]

Don't you have another option? That's kind of what you'll say in the draft. Let somebody else draft him and take the chance. I like McCoy. I'm just afraid.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not high on Forte. But if I. If I had those two next to each other in the draft, I would take forte over Lashawn McCoy.

[Jason Moore]

I understand that.

[Andy Holloway]

Two weeks from now, if he's, you know, back practicing, whatever.

[Mike Wright]

So, Mike, I'm afraid of drafting.

[Jason Moore]

I am re afraid of drafting Joseph Randle, his adp. As we've talked about his creeping up. He's now in the third round.

[Andy Holloway]

Third round.

[Jason Moore]

An unproven guy because of the upside in Dallas. And we're going to get to him in the news. But he has re injured his oblique. And the news of the oft injured Darren McFadden says he looks good in practice. This is a mess and a nightmare.

[Mike Wright]

That's kind of the best word for it, right? A mess. It's hard to parse through. Somebody will make a draft pick that probably wins or loses a season based on Dallas's backfield or wins and loses.

[Jason Moore]

You half a season because they they each take about a few games and are great.

[Mike Wright]

So there's a chance no one's a fantasy winner in that draft situation very.

[Jason Moore]

Much or an unknown addition that's still coming.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to go with Jonathan Stewart because I'm afraid of drafting him because of the injury history and because of how high he's now going and because of the potential that I've now allowed to brew inside of my mind because I'm excited for what could be for Jonathan Stewart. What we see on film, what we have seen in the playoffs and the end of the season and what the magical what can be that can destroy a fantasy season so much like McCoy, I just don't know if when it comes to push to shove, I don't know if I'd take Stewart over another guy and that like Ingram in the same range.

[Jason Moore]

That team really needs Jonathan Stewart now.

[Mike Wright]

Oh yeah, absolutely. And it just speaks to what Jason has always said where if Stewart goes down, I mean Cameron Artist Payne is the major pain, is a super high upside running back potential type of handcuff Walker. Walker.

[Jason Moore]

Don't forget about Fozzie.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's good and he might be on the field a lot more than we think simply because of wanting to keep the workload down on Stewart and he was effective when he played. Alright, so like I said, we got a lot of good news and information on today's show. We got our tight end rankings. If you want to follow us on Twitter you can do so Heffballers. You can go to the website thefantasyfootballers.com you can see our rankings as you get ready for the draft. You can download those, you can submit questions to the show and there's articles and other news and information on the site. Be sure to check that out. Let's go ahead and talk some more news.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I think the first thing I want to discuss in the news today is the emergence of Tyrod Taylor Swampland of quarterbacks in Buffalo because Matt Castle and EJ Manual are not the answer there. And so the team seems to be bending towards Taylor. There were reports that if he had a good game in yesterday's preseason game that they might lock him in as a starter. He had a good game.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And he had a good game without Sammy Watkins, with nobody. Without Percy Harvey.

[Mike Wright]

I think the top five wide receivers were gone.

[Andy Holloway]

Top five running backs. I think the top three.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, there you go. So good game for him. He offers something different with the ability to run the ball the way he does.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. He runs the ball. He has that. That higher floor, the safer floor. If he can get anything done through the air. And he gives you 40 yards a week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's huge.

[Jason Moore]

Interesting.

[Andy Holloway]

And he runs more like Russell Wilson. There were a couple plays where he'd get out of bounds or he, you know, there was one play where he kind of lowered his shoulder, which I was like. But he seems a little bit more conservative at the end of his runs than someone who's just going to throw himself out there for every extra yard and get injured and have it be irrelevant.

[Mike Wright]

7 for 10 last night, 65 yards. Rushed four times for 41 yards. He played well, especially with the weapons that he had around him. So if you're in a league that only drafts Buffalo Bills, he would be the quarterback I draft right now. Let's talk about Joseph Randle. Mike brought him up in Dallas. They're reporting he's doubtful for the preseason game due to an oblique injury.

[Jason Moore]

Aggravated so that he already had this injury and he has re injured it. So.

[Mike Wright]

So just some news. Fuel to the fear in that backfield.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Because we all know the upside is. Is huge.

[Mike Wright]

We're.

[Jason Moore]

We're not talking DeMarco Murray huge. So that. That's a clear note that people need to remember. Whoever gets the main workload, they're not getting 400 carries. Again, not a chance. But the upside behind that line, they open up holes. We saw Randall, what was he, over six yards a carry because he would hit huge plays. So whoever is getting that work, they're going to give you fantasy production. But it's such a fragile and changing situation. It's hard to really know what to do right now.

[Mike Wright]

All right, I want to give you guys the opportunity to kind of throw a name out there. From what you saw in last night's preseason games. I'm going to do that first and throw out Matt Jones. I was excited to see what Matt Jones did on the field because they seem to like him a lot in camp in Washington. And he looked good. He looked really good. Matt Jones came out and he scored a touchdown. He had some big runs and behind Alfred Morris. I mean, he's a guy you have to pay attention to. Morris is not signed through next year, and Morris doesn't offer you a lot in the passing game.

[Andy Holloway]

And he moved pretty good for a big guy. Yeah, he did some of his cuts and jukes for. I think he's like 230 something. He's a big, he's a big boy. And yeah, I was, I was pretty impressed with him. So what do you, what do you think about Alfred Morris then? Are we scared off of Alfred Morris at all that the numbers are going to be cut into or are we plowing full steam ahead on him?

[Jason Moore]

I guess the concern is growing where I've been a huge, huge Morris supporter right now. I'm still taking him where I would normally take him. I'm not letting one preseason Matt Jones game change that. But if, if. Let's watch week three, let's see what happens and let's see what happens with that quarterback position.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, if you watch that game, the offensive line was so bad, I think he had eight drop backs. Six times he was hit, Three times he was sacked. And these weren't little hits. I don't know what he did. Like maybe he went to stunt school or something. But when he gets hit by, yeah, when he gets hit by somebody, it's never a little hit. I've never seen RG3 go down and just. It looks like he knows how to fall. Like no one taught him how to fall.

[Andy Holloway]

Did he go to stunt spot Video.

[Jason Moore]

Game physics where guys just.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's what I don't understand about the game and about the quarterback specifically is that why was. I know RG3 is holding on to the ball a little bit too much, but if you watch the, you know, the next man up, Colt McCoy, it wasn't, you know, the next quarter when everybody on the field changed, it was because of injury. So he literally comes into the exact same position and for some reason he was able to hold on to the ball. Like some of his plays, he held on and moved around in a pocket and they had it. But RG3 was like blasted. Does the offensive line hate RG3 or what?

[Mike Wright]

It is a self perpetuating problem with RG3 where he's been hit so many times, he's skittish in the pocket, he doesn't know how to move within the pocket and he's not an NFL quarterback. I'm saying it right now.

[Jason Moore]

Breaking news. Not only did Cole McCoy do better, he posted a perfect passer rating.

[Mike Wright]

So you can't blame the O line.

[Jason Moore]

Not completely.

[Andy Holloway]

Not completely. But if you watch when RG3 was in there, you have to blame the O line for getting beat. Man on man, every single play. I mean there is a lot of blame to go around.

[Mike Wright]

Well, and you know, D. Jacks wasn't out there and different people. So he is supposed to play. He got a concussion, but he might play next week. That's the report right now. So that my name was Matt Jones. I'm not really lowering Alfred Morris because of Matt Jones. I just liked what I saw from Matt Jones.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

It lets you know he could take the load.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe another guy that, I mean, I loved, I tweeted about him last night and Mike and I, you and I, we loved him. Pre draft, I think it was before the NFL draft. We were talking him up.

[Mike Wright]

Christian Michael.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And then he didn't get drafted and we were sad and so we lamented. But that's Zack Zenner. Zach Zinner is a really good running back.

[Jason Moore]

Detroit Lions.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Detroit Lions. He went undrafted because he wasn't from, you know, a tier one school. And so he comes out and I mean, he is really good. Last night he had a 39 yard run called back. He, I think ran for like four.

[Jason Moore]

He ran the ball four times for 22 yards and had five catches for 59 yards and a touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And he just looked exactly like he looked on his college tape where his feet just go and go and go. I was talking about that with you yesterday. Now here's the truth.

[Mike Wright]

When Joy comes back, no fantasy relevance at all.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, when Joy comes back, then it's his job. And he and Zach Zinner won't even see the field.

[Mike Wright]

Abdullah and Reddick, you're exactly right.

[Andy Holloway]

He won't be there. However, what it showed me was proof that against even ones in the NFL, Zack Zinner is what we thought he was. And should he get that opportunity, should Joy come back and get injured, Zack Zinner will be the guy who is going to share that workload with Amir Abdullah. They're not going to just put Theo Riddick out there. Keep Zach Zinner on your radar. And if Joy keeps having problems or for some reason comes back and gets injured, grab him. He will be good.

[Mike Wright]

That's the first time in the history of this show that we've agreed about the Detroit Lions backfield.

[Jason Moore]

That's because my, my question for Andy was going to be, would you agree if Joy goes down that Zenner is going to get some early down work?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I do. I do agree with that.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

So hop on there. All right, let's talk tight ends. Tight ends, this is a important position that a lot of people don't want to deal with. Our general philosophy on tight ends, we'll go through that a little bit today. There are 20 in this list, but the way we break down where and how you draft these guys is what matters. So we probably. My goal is to not linger on the top names that you already know a lot about. And so we'll go through them fairly quickly. Number one is Rob Gronkowski. Not a surprise shock the world. Number two is Jimmy Graham. These are consensus rankings for the three of us. So one is Gronkowski, two is Graham. If you might give us 10 seconds on Jimmy Graham in Seattle.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so here's why I have concern of Jimmy Graham. Russell Wilson's never had a pass catcher over 900 yards, more than seven touchdowns, or more than 66 receptions. Jimmy Graham is a volume guy. He's averaged 89, 1100 yards and 11 touchdowns in his career. So I just don't see Seattle moving their passing up enough to sustain those kinds of Graham numbers where you're going to have to take him.

[Mike Wright]

And at the same time, he's number two on our list.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he's number two because we think he can finish good. But for where he's being drafted, I can guarantee, I can flat guarantee, and I put my house on it, that there's no. There's no league.

[Jason Moore]

Loan sharks are coming.

[Andy Holloway]

There is no league that Jimmy Graham would be on any one of our teams. It'd be impossible for us to draft Jimmy Graham. Am I wrong?

[Jason Moore]

If he doesn't catch 10 touchdowns, you're going to be very disappointed.

[Mike Wright]

All right. At number three is Travis Kelsey, a guy we've talked a lot about. And four is Greg Olson.

[Andy Holloway]

Greg Olson has to be in that same group now. He's. He moved from me. It was the three with including Kelsey, and then. And then kind of the field. And now Greg Olson, because of the Kelvin Benjamin injury, has moved back up because what Greg Olson did last year was awesome. He caught 1,000 yards and I was expecting people to think he was going to do that again this year, and then I didn't expect him to. But with Kelvin Benjamin Being gone and basically having a rewind of last year where there's a rookie coming in as your number one wide receiver, you have to have that safety valve and it's going to be Olson all day. So I think he does get a thousand yards again this year.

[Mike Wright]

If you're drafting right now, he will be a value. And for me, he's my number two in PPR because of the volume of catches and the dependency that Cam Newton is going to have on Olson. You know, the reports. Oh, Funches is ready to step into the number one role. Well, you've never done it. I mean, last year we kind of saw the, maybe the peak of a rookie coming into that exact same situation when Kelvin Benjamin came into a completely devoid wide receiver, you know, depth chart.

[Andy Holloway]

And Kelvin Benjamin was a better college wide receiver. Right. Than Devin Funches. Right.

[Mike Wright]

Until Devin Funchester.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, hey. Bunches of Funches. He's going to get bunches of touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, probably. But that's a discussion for another day.

[Jason Moore]

I haven't bumped Greg Olson as much as you guys. I still like Olson. I'm just not sure that team's philosophy can get it through their head that he. If you run the offense through Greg Olson, you're going to be successful for some reason. Even last year when they would have success, they would go away from it.

[Mike Wright]

But 80 plus catches, again, it should happen.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, very. Within. Within reason. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

All right. And he has four for me in standard and four in our consistence rankings. I can't say that word. Very good.

[Andy Holloway]

So then that's kind of our tier. Am I right? After Greg Olson is kind of a drop off to the, to the next field. Would we say we're in a consensus on the tier there?

[Mike Wright]

I think, I think this is the point where we're starting to say just get value at tight end and get it late and kind of put guys in an order of who you want to draft late.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

As opposed to, you know, I mean, do you agree?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Draft draft wise, I'm hoping desperately, and I don't expect this for either, but if either Travis Kelsey or Greg Olson could ever drop to the sixth, I'll grab him up and I will love it. At the very, very, very back end of the fifth, I might grab a Greg Olson. I'm getting a little bit more leery of grabbing Kelsey early in the fifth just because of. Not because I don't think he's necessarily a value there. But you're still giving up a good wide receiver running back pick in the fifth round. And so I haven't liked my rosters as well in the sixth. If I can get either one of those guys, I love it. If not, I am really waiting. The one thing when we were making these rankings that showed to me was like, there are 20 tight ends that I am fine rolling out there week one. And I mean, how many get drafted?

[Mike Wright]

And that's why we like playing Jason.

[Jason Moore]

I got a question for you guys. Kelsey has been going before Olson. Do you think Olson gets enough of a bump now to surpass Kelsey in adp?

[Mike Wright]

I think it happens in a lot of leagues, yes. And it probably should because from the perspective, depending on your risk kind of tolerance on a team, you might want Olson more than Kelsey. All the potential in the world, you know, looks great on paper and Kelsey looks great, but you don't know for sure and you know what Olson's going to give you. So depending on your team's makeup, maybe that's what decides between those guys.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I agree that Olson may be safer, but Kelsey ceiling is much higher to me, especially in touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

I agree. So at 5 and 6 we have the tried and true Jason Whitten.

[Jason Moore]

Ironman Whitten.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

And then we have Martellus Bennett. A lot of people like Bennett. And when I get asked about Bennett, I kind of point back to before last year where he had an average of about 60 catches. Last year you had Tressman running the show. So which season do we need to rely on for Bennett? Is it the 90 reception year? I mean, Kevin White's out. There's no Brandon Marshall. That's the argument for Bennett.

[Andy Holloway]

I have split the difference a little bit. I go back to where he was because it's going to be a much more conservative offense, especially not going to be a Trustman offense. But because Marshall's left, I give him a bump from where he used to be pre Trustman. So it kind of splits the difference. Like I think I've got him about 70, 70 or 75 catches.

[Jason Moore]

So this is what I've broken down. John Fox teams without Peyton Manning, because clearly Peyton Manning has a little bit more say and he runs the show and he likes his tight end John Fox. Teams without Peyton Manning average 47 targets. And that's including a year with Jeff king who got 80 targets. And then you look at teams where Jay Cutler did not have. Mark Tressman averaged 64 targets. That includes over 100 targets to Olson in 2009. So the history would show that these two teams, a Jay Cutler run team and a John Fox run Team does not heavily target the tight end. I will say Martellus Bennett's probably up there in talent far more than what they've. What they're used to having. But I have great concern for Bennett, especially where he's being drafted.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's move on to three guys that are kind of in the ooh, maybe yes category.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Jordan Cameron, Tyler Eiford and Zach Ertz come in at 7, 8, 9.

[Jason Moore]

Ooh, maybe very much.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they're very much on.

[Jason Moore]

Sorry. Very much on Jordan Cameron. For me, Jordan Cameron has slowly creeped back up my rankings. I have him number five in both. And the reason is touchdowns. Ryan Tannehill likes to use. Yes, he does. Look at the years with Charles Clay. He likes to use his tight end and the. The red zone presence. Mike. Mike Wallace caught a whole bunch of red zone touchdowns. Those are gone. And I wouldn't be shocked to see some other receivers get in there. But I think the biggest beneficiary of that absence is Jordan Cameron.

[Mike Wright]

And this is why these guys are all ooh, maybes, because you can kind of make a case for them. You can make a strong case for each of them that they're going to have a breakout year. Cameron's going to a new offense. He's. I think he's a lot different than Charles Clay at the tight end position.

[Jason Moore]

I think he's more talented.

[Mike Wright]

He might be more talented, but they're going to use him differently, too. But, yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. There's a lot of red zone targets available. Ifert, healthy. No. Gresham, there's your argument. Zach Ertz, all the potential in the world if he could just block and stay healthy. If he could block and stay healthy. He's. He was as high as number five in my rankings earlier this offseason before injury and blocking. So this is why we say draft them later. I'm fine waiting for two thirds of these guys to be gone and taking one in the 10th round.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, you've got Zach Ertz right now who's being drafted in the 10th round. You've got Tyler Eifert, who's being drafted in the 11th round.

[Jason Moore]

Ooh, love it.

[Andy Holloway]

So, I mean, and Jordan Cameron in the 8th. We like these guys. And the thing is, is there's a lot of guys who. Names who we didn't just mention, like Julius Thomas, who are going way above these guys that. Why spend a draft pick that's going to be, you know, a sixth or seventh rounder On a guy like Julius Thomas, when there are guys way later who have every opportunity to surpass the guys earlier, it just makes it's clear logic.

[Jason Moore]

Agree. And you're, you're passing a really good depth for your bench in the wide receiver or running back position. If you're, if you go early on tight end, you are, you are not going to be happy with the results of your tight end unless you get the one, one guy right there. Can we agree that they're probably in that area? There'll be one guy who explodes and that person is extremely happy, but everyone else is going to be very upset as they go through the waiver wire trying to get a, a matchup dependent tight end.

[Mike Wright]

I think these next three guys fit more into the ho hum tight end category where you have 10 Julius Thomas, 11 Larry Danelle and 12 Heath Miller. They're probably going to all get it.

[Jason Moore]

Done one way or another.

[Mike Wright]

One way or another. You know, Heath Miller is perennially underrated because he's not flashy, he's not Gronkowski. He's just kind of a target. And Big Ben buys time in the pocket and finds Heath Miller. He had 88 targets last year. He catches about 750 yards and he kind of does. I mean, he's Baby Witten. Yeah, that's a good, in a lot of ways.

[Jason Moore]

Good analogy.

[Mike Wright]

So talk to me about Thomas. We know he's been injured and he's coming out of Peyton Manning and a team that was always on the goal line. He was never really a high yardage guy. So does Julius have potential in, in Jacksonville?

[Jason Moore]

Potential, yes, because he is a, he's a gifted athlete. But here's, here's my problem with Julius Thomas. 2013, he averaged 56 yards a game. 2014, averaged 38 yards per game. Why was he so great? Why did everyone love him? 12 touchdowns every year. While we like Blake Bortles, we think he can be a good quarterback. Do we think he's going to throw 12 touchdowns to the tight end?

[Mike Wright]

That's the hard connection.

[Andy Holloway]

Are the Jaguars going to throw 12 touchdowns to tight end and running back and you know, combined like. No, of course not.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, last year. So it's Bortle's first year, so take that into account. But Clay Harbor, Mercedes Lewis, the main tight ends on that team combined for 66 targets.

[Andy Holloway]

Targets, not reception targets. Ridiculously low. And I think, you know, Julius Thomas has never been a volume guy.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

He caught 40 passes last year. It's just a quarter of them were for touchdowns. So and you've got a broken finger. So it does make it a little bit more difficult to catch a ball with a broken finger.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I mean, yeah, how would you know?

[Jason Moore]

I would do it because I'm. My hand. I'm very Good.

[Mike Wright]

All right. 13, 14, 15. Dwayne Allen, Vernon Davis and Kobe Fleener.

[Andy Holloway]

Wow. Vernon Davis.

[Mike Wright]

I was going to say, even though Vernon's at 14, we probably surprising a lot of people. If you're looking at other cheat sheets.

[Andy Holloway]

And this is surprise you, Andy. So you've got him up at 11, we've got him down to 18 and 19. So speak Vernon Davis. I know you've got Colin Kaepernick. Love and belief.

[Mike Wright]

Part of it is the belief that Colin Kaepernick is going to be throwing the ball more and that he's lost weapons there, that the defense has lost so many pieces they're going to be just in games throwing. Part of it is because Vernon Davis has athletically and in fantasy shown us he can be an elite tight end.

[Andy Holloway]

Thirteen touchdowns in a season before.

[Mike Wright]

Absolutely. And he's had big time years and a couple of those have come when people have wondered, well, is he going to have a good year? And another piece is Vernon was hurt last year and so the question is, does he come back and does he have the same athleticism, the same ability to be a Pro bowl caliber tight end or not? That's the gamble you take. But at fort you know where you're getting Vernon Davis, I'll take the gamble happily because it's going to be with probably the second to last pick of my draft or third or last pick.

[Jason Moore]

So speaking to Dwayne Allen. Dwayne Allen is, he's actually kind of like Julius Thomas on the Broncos where he doesn't get a high volume of targets. Last year, only 50 targets, but eight touchdowns. And sometimes what you're looking for in a tight end streamer because so many of them are touchdown dependent. Why not take a gamble on a guy like Dwayne Allen where it's going to be all or nothing. You either get the touchdown, you're happy or you don't. But for a guy who, who that's what he does, you could throw him out there week to week and, and.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe he's probably going to average half a touchdown, which means, you know, somewhere around there finish the year with about, you know, seven or eight touchdowns. So it means you've got a pretty good shot. And really the truth is we haven't talked streaming tight ends, but that's what I generally do. If I don't have one of the absolute top guys, I'm going to play matchups because there are a lot of indicators on a week to week that actually show good matchups for tight ends. Some teams just don't know how to guard tight ends.

[Mike Wright]

Completely agree. But Dwayne Allen and Kobe Fleen aren't my favorite streamer picks because they're, I mean they're almost back to back in the rankings. I mean I don't like deciding between which Indianapolis Colts tight end is going to have the big game. Yeah, because you're already, when you play streamers, you're playing numbers. Anyway, you're saying I hope this matchup works out. And now you're saying I hope my tight end of the two tight ends works out.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I get that. It's just a matter of when you stream, you look for touchdowns. You know, that's one of the things you're going to look for the most potential touchdowns. And obviously even with Fleen or there, you still have that with Allen. But I think that's a good point. And generally one of them goes down for a minor nick injury here or there. If either goes down, stream the other.

[Mike Wright]

So in this next group of guys, I'm going to try to figure out which one of you is responsible for him being in our consensus rankings. But 16, 17, 18 and 16, 17, 18 are Delaney Walker, Josh Hill and Antonio Gates. Josh Hill is at the, he's. He's the lowest ranked tight end or one of the lower ranked tight ends on my top 30. So who's responsible for this?

[Jason Moore]

I still have him at 13 and 12 currently.

[Mike Wright]

Is he.

[Jason Moore]

You have him where 13 and PPR and 12 in standard defend yourself touchdowns. My man. I understand that Ben Watson is identical.

[Mike Wright]

To Dwayne Allen situation.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

And I mean tight ends, you don't have to do very much to become a tight end. 1.

[Mike Wright]

And where's Ben Watson for you?

[Andy Holloway]

He's.

[Jason Moore]

He's not there and this is why. Listen, Ben Watson, I understand that he's the starter and he's probably going to get more playing time. I still think Josh Hill will get more targets and more touchdowns. Last year, Josh Hill, what do you have? 6 1. He had five. One out of every five, every four passes was a touchdown for Josh Hill.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And he, and he'll get a little bit more looks because clearly Jimmy Graham is gone. I don't think he's a where we were. We were looking and we were hoping that Josh Hill is going to be a week to week dependable plug in guy and you just leave him there, you said it. You forget it. I don't think he will be that. He will be hit and miss just like all these guys we're talking about right now are hit and miss.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I had him just outside a tight end one because of what you're saying, Mike. But I actually am believing that Coleman over there is going to take a little bit more away, not just, but from Josh Hill. So I've got him down at 17. You know, he's got touchdown opportunities, got Drew Brees, hall of Fame quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

You're right, Mike, you're right. I mean there's a, there's. Why not, why not Josh Hill, you know, why not Rudolph, why not any of these guys from week to week around the goal line? And at least in New Orleans it's a good offense with a good quarterback who does throw around the goal.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. So what I think needs to be explained is Antonio Gates at 18. What are you guys doing? What's wrong with that four game suspension?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but he's great. And there are many more games in the season and we're talking 18. I'll take Antonio Gates and stream somebody the first few weeks because I feel like when he comes back he's just going to be Antonio Gates.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he will do that. But if you, if we're stating them out on 16 games and you take those away, which is exactly what I did on my numbers. I believe in Gates and he dropped just you know, taking out, you know, a quarter of the season, he dropped to 27 in my list. I think right now, Andy, you still have 10.

[Jason Moore]

How many, how many touchdowns do you have from Tony Gates? Because that's completely what he was. He would give you huge games of.

[Mike Wright]

I think probably eight.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So last year he had 12. Right. So that, that's why he was so good. And let's, so let's hypothesize here. You think that as soon as Antonio Gates comes back he's inserted right back in the starting lineup, which I don't.

[Mike Wright]

Have 1 million percent. Yes.

[Jason Moore]

I don't have a problem with what happens though if ladarius Green is on fire for four games.

[Mike Wright]

I don't care, I don't care about that hypothetical. He's been, there's enough guys that are those type of hypotheticals to me that I don't care about.

[Andy Holloway]

And ladarius Green, let's be honest, he's, it's like, oh, he finally Gets an opportunity. No, no, it's not his final opportunity. He's had opportunity for years.

[Mike Wright]

Who did they just sign? A four year contract? Yeah, it's Antonio Gates and Philip Rivers. When they're together until Gates, the wheels fall off, which, you know, people thought have happened and maybe it happens this year. But 12 touchdowns last year says Philip Rivers looks to Antonio Gates around the goal line. So for me, I mean, I kind of feel like this is. We're arguing for the touchdown potential of these other guys. He's already got like 10 years of proving it.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, that's fair. So are you, Are you drafting and holding Antonio Gates?

[Mike Wright]

I am drafting Antonio Gates at the end of the draft and holding him, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Really? You're going to let a tight end clog up a bench spot for four games?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I can say that. I won't be doing that. I'll be. Because I don't think most other people will. I'm grabbing off the waivers.

[Mike Wright]

You have to have two tight ends at that point. Yeah, depends on my league completely. Five bench spots, maybe not six or above. Yeah, I probably do. Because if it's a free tight end, because that's what he'll be. Because most people aren't going to draft them. I'm not going to reach for Antonio Gates. Don't get me wrong. I just think, where do I have him ranked in the top 12? I'll take a top 12 tight end with the last pick in the draft and hold him a few weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

And you know, he can himself healthy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he gets four games to be healthy.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's see.

[Jason Moore]

He doesn't get his magical, magical juice to be healthy, though.

[Mike Wright]

Well, you know. Well, he vehemently denies any wrongdoing, doesn't he?

[Andy Holloway]

Don't they always.

[Jason Moore]

His test says otherwise.

[Mike Wright]

I know. All right. Owen Daniels. Yes. Owen Daniels at 19. Charles Clay at 20.

[Andy Holloway]

We need to talk.

[Mike Wright]

Both are in the. If I'm trying to categorize all these guys, these. But these are both. I don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I disagree. So let me, let me put it this way. On our rankings right now. You know, Andy, you've had to defend yourself a couple times, but Owen Daniels.

[Mike Wright]

Defend yourself, I'm not surprised.

[Andy Holloway]

But right now you have a lot of.

[Mike Wright]

I have a lot of foresight. I can kind of see beyond my own hand in front of my face. So yeah, I defend myself a lot.

[Andy Holloway]

Owen Daniels, you both have at 20, 24 be fine.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to get him in all my leagues. This was all part of A master plan. Fantasy reaper.

[Andy Holloway]

The fantasy reaper strikes.

[Mike Wright]

That's right.

[Andy Holloway]

To gain.

[Mike Wright]

I wasn't going to get him. I had talked him up so much. Everyone's drafting number one now. I can get him.

[Jason Moore]

It's the long play.

[Mike Wright]

That's right.

[Andy Holloway]

Anyways, with Owen Daniels, you guys both have him equal at 24, which wouldn't have even made our consensus top 20. And I've got him at 12. I've got him in the back of tight end one. I think it's kind of crazy. I went back and looked and watched some film and looked at Virgil Green, who has really, truly done absolutely nothing from a receiving standpoint in his entire career. And Peyton Manning is a guy who has always used his tight end. Owen Daniels has a great history of catching over 50 balls and putting up good yards. He's always been with Kubiak and he's never played with a guy like Peyton. Julius Thomas leaves and some of those touchdowns. I just think there's opportunity here in an offense where you're the starting tight end. For a guy that uses tight ends with a coach that uses tight ends, it's crazy to me to think 24th.

[Mike Wright]

Tight end, I have no problem with where I am.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there's no possibility he finishes.

[Mike Wright]

He hasn't played in Denver. He hasn't played in Denver before. He's been injured a lot. Virgil Green has looked good so far and he's been targeted frequently. Peyton Manning has a history of using other tight ends. When Dallas Clark was there, Jacob, Tammy still caught passes. Those type of situations took place. These are the things that factor into it for me. I don't disagree. He could surprise. He could be great.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think he's surprised. That's my point. I think it's.

[Mike Wright]

Why would he be a surprise when. When he hasn't played in Denver yet?

[Andy Holloway]

But he's played with Kubiak his entire.

[Mike Wright]

Career and he's had down seasons with Kubiak before, too.

[Andy Holloway]

He's had injured seasons where he misses the whole season.

[Mike Wright]

He's had seasons where he hasn't produced very well.

[Jason Moore]

This is what I'll say about Owen Daniels. I'm with Andy. I have him ranked low.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, 48 catches last year with Kubiak. What's the story with that with Joe Flacco? What was his number?

[Andy Holloway]

Big difference.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, no, no, it's fine.

[Mike Wright]

It's fine.

[Andy Holloway]

50 catches. I'm saying if you just stat him.

[Mike Wright]

Out, this is what you get on the fantasy footballers. We are not group think people who Just agree with one another, for goodness sake.

[Jason Moore]

Take aside people.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. We give you the information and you get to decide, hey, I think this.

[Mike Wright]

Logic is right, Mike, which side are you on?

[Jason Moore]

I have him.

[Mike Wright]

He's never caught more. He hasn't caught 70 passes since 2008.

[Andy Holloway]

I have him getting 55 receptions this.

[Jason Moore]

Year if I have him ranked low. But if I'm waiting till the end of the draft and let's say I'm looking at guys, it's Hill, Clay, the guys that we all have, we have in this consensus area. Hill, Gates, Daniels, Clay. I'm going to take Daniels because his upside is there.

[Mike Wright]

That's fine.

[Andy Holloway]

All of this said we have to remember. And I cannot say this enough for our listeners, we get so crazy about the draft, right? Especially, you know, we're talking tight ends today. And the truth is, you will not win your championship on draft day. That's the best ball league. You will not. And especially when it comes to tight ends, those are guys where you need to know how to pick your matchups, how to do your matchups. So really don't get crazy caught up with who you're going to draft and your. You know, and that your draft is your end. All be all. Keep listening after the draft. Our goal is to have the Foot Clan win the most championships in leagues out there. And we just know that doesn't happen at the draft, that happens in the season. So keep listening to. Don't go crazy about, you know, oh, I messed up in the draft or, or I won it at the draft.

[Jason Moore]

And so we're, we're helping you guys with the knowledge. Please help us go by going to podsurvey.com footballers. Fill that survey out. It helps us get good sponsors so we can keep the show. We can keep the lights on.

[Mike Wright]

Well, and the truth is, we're going five days a week now.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, what?

[Jason Moore]

You're putting that on tape?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, one week of four, we broke into the season, we're going five a week. It's already locked in.

[Andy Holloway]

The Foot Clan wants it, the Foot Clan gets it.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to three Monday.

[Mike Wright]

Well, you, you only show up for two or three of them anyway.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, so I want to physically change it.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Speaking of the Foot Clan, let's take some time today to answer listener questions. We get a lot of them. Let's answer them on the show and see if we can help some people out.

[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag mail pages.

[Mike Wright]

All right. If you have a question, you can go to our website, the fantasy footballers.com click the submit a question button. It appears in front of our eyes.

[Jason Moore]

Why are you the K jazz voice now go to go to the fantasy footballers dot com.

[Mike Wright]

It's the sitting back in the chair versus sitting up in the chair. When I sit back, the voice changes. You can also call 302-TROMANTIC MUSIC behind that TFFB.

[Jason Moore]

When you, when you get heated, we just say you should probably lean back right now.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

Just relax.

[Mike Wright]

Sit back in your chair. Talk about Owen Daniels with some sense. All right, Steve, from behind Enemy lines.

[Andy Holloway]

Ooh, ooh.

[Mike Wright]

You remember that movie?

[Jason Moore]

I was just gonna say Owen Daniels.

[Mike Wright]

Action movie Owen Daniels.

[Jason Moore]

Wait, did I say Owen Wilson? Too many. Too many football guys.

[Andy Holloway]

I want to see Owen Daniels.

[Jason Moore]

Here's something that people don't know. Owen Daniels was a cameo in that movie.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

Go watch the tape.

[Mike Wright]

Just go watch it real carefully.

[Andy Holloway]

Go watch.

[Jason Moore]

He's really there.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Last year, Jerry, Enemy lines movies are spiking.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Steve has a question about McKinnon and Peterson and he makes kind of a good point. Last year, Jerick McKinnon was drafted before Peterson went MIA, before everything went down. So does this mean that they had plans for him in a Shane Vereen Gio Bernard type of role? How much does that take away from Peterson's value in a running back receiving friendly North Turner offense takes nothing away.

[Andy Holloway]

Because he wasn't drafted to be a gadget guy. He was drafted to be a handcuff who's drafted in case AP goes down. He's a valuable, valuable replacement. And I got no problem doing that again this year. I mean, if you did it last year, you can do it this year. I don't think he's one of those have to own handcuffs because I do think if AP goes down, we saw what happens last year. They're going to more committee it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you have to look out for Asiata screwing people over with his three touchdown games, the goal line games. Oh, man, he is the. He is the worst. Slash, best fantasy player.

[Mike Wright]

Larry Danelle of the running back position.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you got to get it once and you're going to think he's the best.

[Mike Wright]

But that's for fantasy. Those guys get headlines then for the rest of the year when you put up a three touchdown game. All right, Josh from Richmond, Virginia wants to know, he said with Kelvin Benjamin out for the year and Devin Funches being inexperienced, would Cam Newton's Quarterback 1 value be gone? So what do you guys think? Jason's kind of shaking his head with like a frowny face.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I did I did move. I moved him down one spot in my rankings, but he's still going to be a quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

One what makes Cam Newton valuable?

[Andy Holloway]

His legs. They're so beautiful and toned, but he's going to be able to work them out. Now all the more. When no wide receiver is open and he's going to run the ball.

[Jason Moore]

I hear he uses Nair. He goes hairless to make those.

[Andy Holloway]

Is this a new advertisement?

[Mike Wright]

We would not take Nair. We are Handsome Fancy and the beat. You take Nair and Handsome fancy.

[Andy Holloway]

We wouldn't take Nair. You want to know why? I don't know that. The Foot Clan knows this, but we're pretty selective with our advertisers. We actually want to make sure we use them and have you right now.

[Mike Wright]

Nair wouldn't take us after this discussion.

[Andy Holloway]

That's true. Yeah. They won't have you.

[Jason Moore]

For me, it's gonna be the fantasyhitman.com Nair Special.

[Mike Wright]

Why are you taking the beard off?

[Jason Moore]

No, you don't.

[Mike Wright]

Nair.

[Andy Holloway]

Shaving the legs.

[Jason Moore]

Have you ever put Nair on your face?

[Mike Wright]

I've never put Nair anywhere.

[Andy Holloway]

What a stupid question, Mike. Have you ever put Nair on your. I've never owned Nair.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, well, you guys need to Nair your arm sometime. See what happens.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, so you have used Nair? Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Because you get slippery like a seal.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, all right, let's move this along.

[Jason Moore]

Here's the deal. You guys don't have tattoos on your arms.

[Mike Wright]

This is absolutely true.

[Jason Moore]

When you have tattoos on your arms, you want them to pop. You gotta take that hair off. That's a trade secret.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, wait for our Nair affiliate link before you go buy your Nair.

[Mike Wright]

You know, this seems like a good time to go to a voicemail question. Wouldn't you agree?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Hi. I'm in a 10 team standard league.

[Mike Wright]

And I'm wondering who I should keep. I got either Odell Beckham Jr. Mike Evans or C.J.

[Jason Moore]

Anderson all in the 10th round.

[Andy Holloway]

Thanks, Vernass. Keep all three. And they're gonna say, no, I can only keep one. And you're gonna be like, no, I can keep three.

[Mike Wright]

You can't get over slippery by like a seal, because that's just. That's an attribute. I want as a man to be slippery like a seal. All right, ODB Mike Evans or CJ Anderson with the 10th round pick. I think what we're all staring down here is CJ or ODB in the 10th. For me, it's CJ Anderson.

[Andy Holloway]

Me too.

[Jason Moore]

If it's a keep forever. Like, let's say you get to Keep on. Keep on what?

[Mike Wright]

Through his retirement. Through.

[Jason Moore]

No, you know what I mean. Like, because we all love Anderson this year, we don't know about next year where Beckham can be an all star for his career.

[Mike Wright]

It is a fair point.

[Jason Moore]

And if you. If you have him at a 10th round for his career, I'd lean back him.

[Mike Wright]

There you go. All right, let's do another voicemail.

[D]

What's up, guys? It's Kyle. So in a PPR league, I'm looking at finding a late round wide receiver to kind of finish out my group. Somebody with some high upside. Somebody. I'm looking at rounds 12 and 13. So which of these wide receivers would you want most on a PPR league team? Brian Quick, Marcus Wheaton, Eddie Royal, or Stevie Johnson? Which of those four would you guys take? Thanks.

[Andy Holloway]

I go royale with cheese.

[Mike Wright]

I'm with you. And I was gonna say we should maybe order those guys for people just so they kind of see where we have them. I go, it's Eddie Royal for me. And then it is actually Stevie Johnson, Brian Quick and Marcus Wheaton.

[Andy Holloway]

I go, Royal, Wheaton, Stevie Quick.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, Royal, Stevie. Who's the other tip? Whatever. Royal, Stevie.

[Mike Wright]

So ring the bell for Royal then We all agree on that, right? And that's what. When I say ring the bell, you normally. You have to hit the bell.

[Jason Moore]

The bell has not been placed.

[Mike Wright]

Wait, where's the bell? Fair enough. There we go. No one could hear it. Darryl from Canada says, Daryl from Canada says he has Des Demarius in Hilton in a three receiver scoring league. And he has a trade question. Should he trade? Keep in mind, that's who he has. Des Demarius and Hilton. Hilton and Morris for Cooper and Ingram.

[Jason Moore]

Read that again. Hilton and Morris.

[Mike Wright]

Hilton and Morris for Cooper. Amari Cooper and Mark Ingram. And I read that and I could argue both ways.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll argue the no side.

[Mike Wright]

I think that's probably where I go. I would say don't do it or there's not enough benefit here for you.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I like. I like Cooper. He's all right. But you know what you have in Hilton and he's great. And. And maybe Ingram will be better than Morris. I think I've got him ahead of Morris, but maybe Morris is ahead of Ingram. I'm very confident Ty Hilton will beat Cooper this year, even though I like Cooper. And so I always want the best guy in a trade.

[Mike Wright]

So when I see this, I say, meh. Like, why make the trade?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Why do it?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I can see that.

[Mike Wright]

But his perspective is he thinks he will strengthen his running back core.

[Andy Holloway]

I like that. That's the logic behind the logic of trading Ty Hilton here, who's your third best wide receiver on a team, which is great for an improved running back. I love that, but I just don't. I don't feel like Mark Ingram is a guaranteed improvement over Alfred Morris. Worth giving up Ty Hill because he.

[Jason Moore]

Has Lamar Miller and J. Stu. I don't know if we mentioned that part. He has Miller and Stewart. I don't need Ingram. I can. I'm fine with Morris. So I'll keep Ty Hilton.

[Mike Wright]

Yep. All right. So we all agree on that one. All right, reminder, Everybody. Check out fantasydraftwizard.com for all your mock draft needs. We've got five shows for you next week. Five.

[Andy Holloway]

Uno, dos, tres, cinco, cuatro. No, I don't know Spanish.

[Jason Moore]

My goodness.

[Andy Holloway]

How good did I get? Here's.

[Mike Wright]

Here's Trey. Cinco.

[Jason Moore]

Here's the best part of this. I thought that my near comment will be the worst part of the show.

[Mike Wright]

Nope. Oh, thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, Cinco. Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

I did it.

[Andy Holloway]

I did it right.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

You did it so wrong in so many ways. Hey, we got draft day tricks, Risers and Fallers preseason week two next week. Join us back on Monday. Thanks for listening. So much.

[Andy Holloway]

Good stuff.

[Jason Moore]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

Uno, dos, tres, cuadro, pico. Thank you for listening to another edition of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Don't forget to visit us on the web at www.thefantasyfootballers.com and follow us on Twitter the FFballers.