Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Week 11 Fantasy Forecast, Starts of the Week, News

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast - 2015 Season, Week 11: Comprehensive Summary

Release Date: November 19, 2015

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1. Introduction

In the Week 11 episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway and Jason Moore dive deep into the latest fantasy football news, player analyses, and matchup evaluations. Although Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright was absent due to vacation, Andy and Jason ensure a robust discussion, engaging listeners with their trademark humor and expert insights.

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2. Host Banter and Community Updates

The episode opens with the hosts exchanging playful remarks about Mike's absence and discussing their latest merchandise:

• Andy Holloway (00:00): “I miss you, Mike.”

• Jason Moore (03:02): “We have our starts of the week on the show today. Mike did give us his...”

They also highlight their ongoing efforts to expand their merchandise line, teasing upcoming themed shirts like Star Wars and Ninja Turtles. Additionally, they encourage listeners to join their fantasy football community at join thefoot.com and follow them on Twitter for the latest updates.

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3. Danny Amendola Debate

A significant portion of the episode centers around the debate on whether to start Danny Amendola for the rest of the season. Jason expresses skepticism:

• Jason Moore (04:22): “He's going to be 70% of the fantasy production of Julian Edelman, which is great.”

Andy counters by highlighting Amendola's potential and emphasizing that he shouldn’t be directly compared to Edelman:

• Andy Holloway (05:14): “He isn't Julian Edelman. He isn't as fast. He isn't as quick... So you can't be expecting him to be Edelman.”

Despite acknowledging the uncertainties surrounding Amendola’s consistency, both hosts agree that he possesses significant upside, especially given his role in the Patriots' offense post-Deion Branch.

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4. NFL News Update

Andy and Jason provide a comprehensive update on the latest NFL news, focusing on injuries and player statuses that impact fantasy decisions:

• Quarterbacks:

  • Brock Osweiler, Mark Sanchez, T.J. Yates, Matt Hasselbeck, and Blaine Gabbert are starting this week.
  • Brian Hoyer (07:54): Suffers a concussion and will miss a week.
  • Ryan Fitzpatrick (08:02): Undergoes surgery but is expected to start in Week 11.
  • Mark Sanchez (09:56): Expected to play after being part of the concussion protocol.

• Wide Receivers:

  • Mike Evans (08:49): Received 53 targets over the last three weeks.
  • Dez Bryant (07:49): Added depth to the Cowboys' receiving corps with Romo's return.

• Running Backs:

  • James Starks and Michael Floyd are questionable.
  • Gerard Brown is poised to step up if both Starks and Floyd are sidelined.

Other notable mentions include Alshon Jeffery's (14:05) questionable status due to injuries and strategic advice to bench him in favor of healthier options like Randall Cobb and Mike Evans.

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5. Fantasy Forecast and Matchup Analysis

The hosts delve into detailed analyses of the first seven games of the weekend, evaluating player performances against specific defenses and considering weather impacts:

a. Thursday Night Football: Titans vs. Jaguars

• Andy Holloway (22:30): Excited about the Jaguars' gold uniforms and their improved offense with rookie quarterback Marcus Mariota.

• Jason Moore (22:46): Highlights Mariota’s potential, noting that he's streamable in two-quarterback leagues. Both hosts rank Mariota highly, with Andy placing him at #6 and Jason also at #6, indicating strong potential despite the Jaguars' inconsistent offensive performance.

b. Rams vs. Ravens

• Andy Holloway (29:01): Discusses Case Keenum’s debut for the Rams and the Ravens' beatable secondary. Suggests that the Ravens' defense may not stifle the Rams' improved passing offense.

• Jason Moore (30:17): Expresses skepticism about Joe Flacco’s performance, citing the Rams' strong defense against quarterbacks and their historical performance against high-yardage passers.

c. Redskins vs. Panthers

• Andy Holloway (32:41): Comments on Cam Newton’s celebratory dances, emphasizing his impact on the game beyond just scoring touchdowns.

• Jason Moore (34:39): Praises Tony Romo’s return for the Cowboys, predicting positive outcomes for key players like Dez Bryant and Terrance Williams.

d. Broncos vs. Bears

• Andy Holloway (38:43): Predicts a low-scoring game influenced by cold weather (28 degrees), which will limit passing plays and increase reliance on the running game.

• Jason Moore (40:00): Agrees, emphasizing the impact of weather on offensive efficiency and highlighting running back Jonathan Stewart’s consistent usage.

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6. Starts of the Week

The hosts present their recommendations for fantasy lineups, categorized by position. Each start is accompanied by strategic reasoning based on matchups, player performance, and potential upside.

a. Quarterbacks

• Andy Holloway (47:26): Russell Wilson vs. 49ers

  • Rationale: High baseline and upside, home advantage, and a favorable matchup against an average pass defense.

  • Notable Quote (48:15):

    "This is a matchup where, if you've got him, I would start him."

• Jason Moore (47:26): Matthew Stafford vs. Raiders

  • Rationale: Faces Oakland, ranked 26th against fantasy quarterbacks. Coming off a strong 242-yard game and a win against Green Bay.

  • Notable Quote (48:15):

    "Stafford was the one I wanted and I'm tired, so still Stafford."

b. Running Backs

• Andy Holloway (50:02): Jeremy Langford

  • Rationale: Exceptional performance, cold weather favoring the run, and Stafford’s offense ensuring ample touches.

• Jason Moore (50:02): Chuck Andrich West vs. Chargers

  • Rationale: Chargers are the worst team in fantasy points allowed to running backs. West is expected to receive a significant workload.

  • Notable Quote (50:56):

    "He's bona fide locked in as an RB1 this week."

c. Wide Receivers

• Andy Holloway (50:56): Amari Cooper vs. Lions

  • Rationale: Consistent reception numbers, favorable matchup against Detroit’s pass defense, and potential for explosive plays.

  • Notable Quote (51:45):

    "He has a decent baseline. He's not going to go out there and put up four fantasy points and burn you."

• Jason Moore (50:56): Stevie Johnson vs. Chiefs

  • Rationale: Primary target in Arizona, consistent volume, and limited competition due to defensive improvements.

  • Notable Quote (51:45):

    "Stevie Johnson... is going to get the targets."

d. Tight Ends

• Andy Holloway (53:48): Eric Ebron vs. Raiders

  • Rationale: Consistently high targets against Oakland, who have a history of struggling against tight ends.

• Jason Moore (53:48): Delaney Walker vs. Titans

  • Rationale: Limited pass-catching options for the Titans, potential for multiple receptions and yards.

  • Notable Quote (54:12):

    "I expect five to six catches, 70, 80 yards and a chance at a touchdown."

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7. Strategic Insights

• Weather Impact: Cold weather (28 degrees) in the Broncos vs. Bears game is expected to suppress passing plays, favoring running backs and leading to low-scoring outcomes.

• Injury Management: Emphasis on monitoring player statuses, such as Alshon Jeffery's potential sit and Mark Hoyer's concussion, which could influence weekly starts and bench decisions.

• Streaming Strategy: Encouragement to stream quarterbacks and tight ends based on weekly matchups rather than sticking with consistent yet lower-performing players.

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8. Final Thoughts and Upcoming Segments

As the episode wraps up, Andy mentions working out his knee to return next week, while Jason humorously apologizes for a botched pass in their flag football game. They tease the next episode’s content, including a fantasy forecast continuation, a Daily Dose segment with Chris Meaney, and other topics of interest.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Jason Moore (04:22):

  "He's going to be 70% of the fantasy production of Julian Edelman, which is great."

• Andy Holloway (05:14):

  "He isn't Julian Edelman. He isn't as fast. He isn't as quick... So you can't be expecting him to be Edelman."

• Andy Holloway (22:30):

  "Yeah. Is this one of those color rush games?"

• Jason Moore (50:56):

  "Chuck Andrich West. He's bona fide locked in as an RB1 this week."

• Jason Moore (54:12):

  "I expect five to six catches, 70, 80 yards and a chance at a touchdown."

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Conclusion

This Week 11 episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast offers a wealth of information for fantasy managers, from player evaluations and matchup analyses to strategic advice tailored for the upcoming week. The hosts' dynamic discussion ensures listeners are well-equipped to make informed decisions, optimize their lineups, and navigate the complexities of the fantasy football landscape with confidence.

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For more insights and updates, visit thefantasyfootballers.com and follow them on Twitter @theFFBallers.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Foreign to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Happy Thursday. To the world. To the fantasy football world.

[Andy Holloway]

I really felt like you were gonna say happy birthday to me.

[Jason Moore]

It's not your birthday.

[Andy Holloway]

I know, and that was a shame.

[Jason Moore]

It might feel like it, though. There's no mic here.

[Andy Holloway]

I miss you, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, actually, it's rough.

[Andy Holloway]

Come back soon. Your beard, my beauty.

[Jason Moore]

Mike might not be here, but did that did not stop a very hearty Julian, or I mean Danny Amendola debate last. Last night.

[Andy Holloway]

The fight was on, man.

[Jason Moore]

Well, you know, we have some differing opinions. Not by much, but you know Mike, you know how it gets when he goes to Disneyland. You know how he gets when you.

[Andy Holloway]

Drop $40 a fab on someone.

[Jason Moore]

I'm telling you, you gots to believe he spent $40 a fab on Danny Amendola. And we had a little debate last night and I'm gonna bring it up in the quick question. He's not here to defend himself. This will be great. It is Thursday, November 19th. We are the Fantasy Footballers. I'm Andy Holloway joined by Jason Moore. Mike is finishing up his vacation a couple more days and. And then he'll be back with us next week. We got a good show for you today. We've got our news update for you. We can catch you up with all the injuries and things you need to know. We got our fantasy forecast. We're going to go through the first seven games of this weekend, let you know everything that's going on, including the weather, because we're getting to the time of year where that matters, especially in certain games.

[Andy Holloway]

You play football in 20 degrees and scores are not going to be flying high.

[Jason Moore]

Well, yeah. Or in a blizzard or a rainstorm or muddy field or whatever. Whatever's going on, you need to know that stuff because it does make a difference, especially because we've kind of, we've trained the streaming culture out there to be streaming guys in and out and you need to, you need to play with the weather as well. We've got our starts of the week on the show today. Mike did give us his. So we'll be delivering all the starts of the week at the end of the show or not the end, but after the forecast and what else is going on.

[Andy Holloway]

I am so sore.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, because you joined us for a flag football game on Tuesday night.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. Old double stuff. Thought he could just go right back out mid season form and play on.

[Jason Moore]

Is it correct that on the very first play that I threw, I overthrew you on a screen pass and you went down because you have balance issues. Right. Is that correct? You have diagnosed.

[Andy Holloway]

No, my lightning speed was trying to catch up to this ball that was overthrown. And of course, so was the defender. Right. He's like, oh, that ball's terribly overthrown. I can intercept that. And so we basically just ran sprint into each other and smashed. And then I landed on my knee.

[Jason Moore]

No spatial awareness.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Played the rest of the game, through it, feel it today.

[Jason Moore]

And we're wearing our back to the future fantasy footballer shirts that came in the mail yesterday. So if you ordered one of those, you probably have yours now, too. They turn out pretty good.

[Andy Holloway]

I love it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's nice. And I told some people yesterday on the jointhefoot.com that we have a couple more that are gonna be coming out because people like the pop culture theme shirts.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe a little Star Wars.

[Jason Moore]

I did. I told him. Oh, you told him. I told him we had a Star wars one. We had a Ninja Turtle one eventually coming out.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And then get that Star Wars. I think we're gonna also. I'm gonna break this to you right now. We're also gonna do something with withstanding victories on a shirt. So that's going to take place at some point.

[Andy Holloway]

It's our new tagline.

[Jason Moore]

All right, check us out on jointhefoot.com. like I mentioned, that's our fantasy football community. We're over a thousand people there that are talking fantasy football. All your questions, Just a good community to ask. Anything to talk about the show. Talk about things that you like to see and which guys you're starting. Check out the fantasy footballers dot com. That's our homepage, our website, whatever. The Internet thing. Yeah, that's where we're at.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. We're. We're on the web.

[Jason Moore]

And then Twitter @ the FF Ballers. If you want to follow Jason, you can do so at Jason ffl, follow Mike at FF Hitman, and follow me at Andy Holloway. And yeah, so quick question, like I said, where do you have Danny Amendola rest of season?

[Andy Holloway]

He's clearly, the number one wide receiver in the National Football League from here on out.

[Jason Moore]

Well, because the rule is, right, like, if a really good player ahead of you gets injured, the next guy becomes that player. Like, he takes his essence and his being and he just becomes them.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. Mockery. That's a mockery.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's sarcasm.

[Andy Holloway]

So here's my view on Danny Mandola. I actually really like him. I would love to have him on my team. I feel like, he is the type of guy that's going to get a ton of targets, have games to. Has to, right? He's going to have games where he scores because that offense scores so much. He's going to be involved, and he's going to have a decent ceiling and a decent floor. But what you're going to get is you're going to get certain games where game flow, they just say, hey, I'm going to go legarrett Blunt this game and go nuts with that and deep balls to lefell. And it's just going to be different games where you're going to be disappointed that you might have started them, just like you are when you start LeGarrett blunt and you go, oh, this is. He's going to eat. And then he doesn't get any carries, so he's going to be up and down. The one thing that I would say is this. Julian Edelman goes out and we're hoping or wanting or believing that Danny Amendola steps into that role, but he isn't Julian Edelman. He isn't as fast. He isn't as quick. His little, you know, Julian Edelman's yards after the catch are always really impressive. They're very Wes Welker, you know, from years ago, where he grabs the ball, does a little cut, and you just don't see that same thing from Amendola. So you can't be expecting him to be Edelman.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, and that was my whole point. I didn't say I didn't like Amendola at all. I think I went out and spent some, you know, I tried to bid on him in all my leagues. But to come in and just say, you know, to me, he's going to be 70% of the fantasy production of Julian Edelman, which is great. Yeah, it's not bad, you know, and one thing that we're forgetting is we don't know what the impact of losing Deion Lewis was going to be on Edelman, because this was the first game without Dion Lewis and he averaged seven targets a game. And then Edelman was going to probably get a little bit more attention. So maybe that bumps Amendola up again. But all I'm saying is there. This is Bill Belichick, this is Keyshawn Martin, Aaron Dobson, Chris Harper, Scott Chandler, Brandon Bolden. Those are all guys that somebody's going to do something that we don't expect. Because when Welker left before Amendola was supposed to sweep in and become Wes.

[Andy Holloway]

Welker, everyone was excited for Amendola.

[Jason Moore]

He Will have his games. He will absolutely have his games. He's worth owning.

[Andy Holloway]

That being said, that list of players you just named, which I get what you're saying, right. Bill Belichick will use anybody and everybody did. That talk really made me like Amadola. I don't like any of those guys. You tell me. Dobson is my.

[Jason Moore]

I didn't even say James White. Right, right. Okay, so real quick, real quick answers on these. Danny Amadola, rest of season, do you like him above or below? Michael Crabtree?

[Andy Holloway]

Below.

[Jason Moore]

Brandon lefell?

[Andy Holloway]

Below.

[Jason Moore]

Eric Decker?

[Andy Holloway]

Below.

[Jason Moore]

Jarvis Landry?

[Andy Holloway]

Below.

[Jason Moore]

Stevie Johnson?

[Andy Holloway]

Above.

[Jason Moore]

Alan Hearns?

[Andy Holloway]

Above. Okay, there you go.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you for being so prompt.

[Andy Holloway]

You said quick answers.

[Jason Moore]

I also wanted to just mention the beauty that is our quarterback situation in the NFL. Brock Osweiler, Mark Sanchez, TJ Yates, Matt Hasselbeck and Blaine Gabbard are starting this week. So that, that'll get us into the news.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so one of those guys, TJ8, it's. He's starting because Hoyer was pretty much ruled out. Brian Hoyer is going to miss this.

[Andy Holloway]

Week, which, I mean, that is so crazy. The play. I mean, remember when, when you know, if you were watching the game live, the commentators couldn't even find the play for, for like 30 minutes. They're looking back at film like, where did Hoyer get injured and now he's going to miss a week from it.

[Jason Moore]

That was a coach induced concussion. He said, you have a concussion, come off the field, we're going to put someone else in. All right. Ryan Fitzpatrick had surgery last week. We know that he should start in week 11. That's just a note for everybody out there who's curious about his status. He should start this week. Vincent Jackson out again in week 11. I think I read 53 targets over the last three weeks for Mike Evans. Yeah, 53 targets.

[Andy Holloway]

Big boy going eat. He's going to catch at least half of them.

[Jason Moore]

I was going to say. Well, actually if he caught half of.

[Andy Holloway]

Them, you'd have say not at least half of them, but near.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, this broke. Hopkins missed practice yesterday. Is there any reason to be concerned? Is this just Monday night game give him a day off? Veteran day off.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there is reason to be concerned, but it's not the injury. I don't believe Hopkins has had a couple weeks where he's taken a practice off. He's, you know, he's the main target. Getting so much work in the game, extra rest, I think is smart. But the reasons to be concerned would be the quarterback combined with the defensive back. You got the rel Reavis on the other side, which I don't think is enough reason to, you know, sit Hopkins. But then you've got, you know, the quarterback of T.J. yates coming in. That combo is not one that I think is going to be a. You're not going to see a hundred yards and two touchdowns type of game.

[Jason Moore]

He hears you. He hears you bring.

[Andy Holloway]

That is a challenge.

[Jason Moore]

Hop, hop.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm challenged. I'm put. I'm putting you on blast.

[Jason Moore]

It's Nuke.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Call him by his nickname if you guys are close. Sammy Biscuits. Separated shoulder. Plus in the concussion protocol, we're expecting Mark Sanchez this week.

[Andy Holloway]

We are. I want another butt fumble.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. There's high goals. Kendall right out for Thursday Night Football. That means he joins. We know Justin Hunter is out for Thursday Night Football. When we get to our starts of the week, you're going to understand a little bit about Delaney Walker. I'll just give it to you now. Delaney Walker's in that list. There are limited options in the passing game, and Jacksonville is not exactly at the top of the league in passing defense. So I think there's some opportunities there for Tennessee. Although I'm kind of with Jason. This game might be low scoring. Mike McCarthy confirmed Starks is still the starter. Lacey's practicing. What do you expect from that backfield?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I expect that, to be honest, that Starks will get the first touch and I expect he will get the majority of the touches. However, he's going to get less of the majority than he did last week when he had the lion's share and. Yeah. Against the Lions. And so I expect very mediocre things this week from James Starks, Michael Floyd.

[Jason Moore]

After the big breakout last week, and John Brown, who hasn't caught a pass since week number seven, both missed practice. I think. I think they're both genuinely questionable for this game. From what I'm reading about John Brown and part of the reason why his production has gone down is this hamstring is still an issue. There's worry on his part that if he lets it go and his whole game is top speed, if he lets it go, he's going to tear it or he's going to damage it further. And so he's not been effective. It might be time to sit him down. I'm not sure. What do you expect? Do you expect either to play?

[Andy Holloway]

I think that Floyd, to me, has a better chance of playing and being relevant. We've seen for a Couple weeks where when John Brown starts, he has not been used. He's been more of a decoy and it's lingering. I mean, that hamstring isn't going away. So I'm steering clear of John Brown. If Michael Floyd is in the lineup, I would start him. If John Brown is in the lineup, I'm pretty much. I'm not. I'm not starting John Brown under any circumstance this week. If both guys are out, Gerard Brown becomes an absolute fantasy starter. If both of those guys are out in a game like this on time. Really?

[Jason Moore]

So you would start Jaron Brown?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, if. If those two guys are out, you're talking about the number two on a high passing offense. Why in the world would you not start him? You've seen this year he can make big plays. He's. He's had. He's looked great. So if he's going to be number two.

[Jason Moore]

You mean his only Sunday? No, it's not his only year. He's been on the team for three years. John Brown's been with the Cardinals for a while. That being said, last game was really the only game of relevance because we saw the injury to Floyd and Brown wasn't doing anything. Let's move on here. Bears coach John Fox says the running back rotation will be tricky once Matt Forte returns.

[Andy Holloway]

Uh oh.

[Jason Moore]

This is concerning for one fantasy player, and that is the player that owns them both. Because I guess it's. It's concerning for more than that. But that is the biggest concern because you kind of want the Bell Cow in a good situation where the running backs been producing all year. Langford comes in, gives you two great games. Forte gave you great games before that. And now if they're sharing, you know, if it's 75, 25 just takes some.

[Andy Holloway]

Value away from Forte.

[Jason Moore]

It does. It takes some value away. And we don't really know when he's going to return. Even the context of when he said that maybe that means a couple more weeks off for Forte. So we don't really know. John Fox is the worst.

[Andy Holloway]

Well said, Andy Very.

[Jason Moore]

And then, and then we talked about Alshon, Jeffrey with. Or. We didn't yet. Alshon is listed on the injury report, groin and shoulder injuries. Earlier this year he had calf and hamstring injuries.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah, he's not, he's not healthy. We saw last game, the combination of that health with a healthy defense across the field in the Rams, he didn't get a lot of use. And so all of a sudden this week we've got a similar situation. We've got a guy who has shown some true injuries this year. Missing games, hampered in games. Now he's going up against the Broncos. You know, they get a keep Talib back from suspension. To me, he is a guy that you can, you can sit if you've got the luxury, if you have other good options. I don't look at Elshon Jeffrey and go, well, he's the number one. He's going to have to get at least six catches. I mean, I would not be surprised if he has 6 for 75, but I'm not surprised at all if he has 3 for 23 this week.

[Jason Moore]

If he kills you.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. And so I am willing to, you know, I know I have the luxury on my personal team, but I am benching Alshon Jeffrey this week. You know, I've got Randall Cobb and Mike Evans ahead of guys that you.

[Jason Moore]

Prefer over the risk. That is Alshon Jeffrey in this game.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep, exactly.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so a couple other notes. You know, the Titans game is tonight. David Cobb is active and should get some carries. Do we expect him to be the long term guy? I mean, a couple of weeks from now, will he have relevance?

[Andy Holloway]

That's what you're watching for tonight. I don't think that we can have any expectation considering is there a coming.

[Jason Moore]

On party for him?

[Andy Holloway]

I don't, I don't think it will. I don't think it'll happen tonight. The Jaguars run D is surprisingly decent. When you talk about yards per carry and what they give up, it's not.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they're a little enigmatic because they're great against the run statistically, like you're saying. But fantasy wise, they've actually given up quite a bit to the running back.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. So. But put it this way, let's. Let's say Cobb comes in and has 10 carries for 10 yards, but he gets a touchdown. Are you excited about that? Do you go into the next week thinking, ooh, Cobb's the guy? Probably not.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I, you know, at least he's got youth on his side. But yeah, you're right because Antonio Andrews is being used. He had a bad week last week, kind of a mess. It's kind of the same thing for the Titans. Stay away from the running backs. Carlos High didn't practice. Do you think he'll play?

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, I don't think he'll play. He hasn't played in a while. He shouldn't play. He's got a serious injury and so Sean Drone and this is not a good matchup. So you're going to stay away from whoever.

[Jason Moore]

Seahawks?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the Seahawks in Seattle. You just, this is keep Carlos Hyde on your bench or in your IR spot and don't worry about his backup.

[Jason Moore]

And last bit of news, but very relevant tonight. Yelden's been out of practice a couple games but he's very, he's listed as questionable. TJ Eldon. He says he'll play and the expectations that he'll play. He's played at less than 100% this year. Do you expect that to happen?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I expect him to play because of like what you said. You've seen it this year. He is very confident that. He's very confident that he's going to play. Which you like to hear from a player. Even though you're like what else do you expect? You still like to hear that. So I think he plays. If you're in one of those open waiver leagues where you have the opportunity to sign anyone right up to game time. If he doesn't play, Denard Robinson should be a pretty good option I think.

[Jason Moore]

To stream in a desperate situation. Yeah, yeah, okay.

[Andy Holloway]

There's a lot of desperate situations.

[Jason Moore]

There are, there are. So before we get into the fantasy forecast, we look at the Thursday night game. We walk through the first six, the other six matchups of the week. I want to make sure we thank our sponsor today. We've got a couple of them for the show today. FanDuel. Listen, how's your fantasy team doing? Hopefully very well. Hopefully you're doing well.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. You know, Foot Clan, if you're out there, I wonder if anybody is doing the mustache only Movember. We got a guy on our flag football team who is doing that.

[Jason Moore]

Shout out to Tony, Tony, Tony the Stache. Yeah, as we're now calling him.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

All right, it is time to get into week 11. It's time to do it.

[Andy Holloway]

Fantasy forecast.

[Jason Moore]

I want to first say Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Not impressed. That's. The people are not impressed with your mailbag yesterday.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, thank you. Know what? I'm gonna redeem myself. I will get it perfect. I've been.

[Jason Moore]

Tomorrow, tomorrow. Because we're not gonna have time today. We got, we got fantasy forecasts. We got our starts of the week. You've been practicing in the shower. Hey, hey.

[Andy Holloway]

I will get a chance to try today. We got our Thursday mailbag show for Patreon listeners. So if you're over at join the Foot, you get one more extra chance at Jason mailbag shout special.

[Jason Moore]

We do have our extra show over there today. I forgot. That is you priming those lungs.

[Andy Holloway]

The human torch was denied a bank loan.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. You'll be. You'll be ready. All right. All right, let's get into the matchups. Let's start with the Thursday night barn burner. The Titans at the Jags. You know what's funny is it's, it's. It's hard to adjust your mind to look at the Jaguars differently than you have for five consecutive years in the sense that, yes, this is not a barn burner tonight, but you do have a matchup with a rookie. You know, you get to go see Mariota. You get to see an offense has been somewhat prolific with Bortles and Robinson and Hearns. They've done things that they hadn't done in the past. So, you know, all the jokes being made. I think the Jaguars are wearing gold uniforms head to toe.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Is this one of those color rush games?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I'm looking forward to that.

[Jason Moore]

So no worries about the weather in this one. Although the, you know, some. Maybe a drizzle. Maybe a drizzle. Mariota Bortles, do you start either guy?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think Bortles is a. Is a fine start with his weapons, what he's been doing on the year. The defense is, is an okay, you know, average middle of the pack kind kind of past defense. Bortles is an absolute fine start. If you've got him, I got no problem starting him. I don't expect him to have a giant game. Like I was telling Andy, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a little lower scoring, being that it's a Thursday, it's a short week, you've got, you know, some, some injury concerns on, on the offense on the Titan side, which will just help keep the score lower. But Bortles is, Is an absolutely fine play. Mariota, if, you know, if you're in a two quarterback league, you know, he could put up some stuff. The problem there for me is that Kendall Wright is gone. So, yeah, maybe doreal green Beckham steps up this week.

[Jason Moore]

You have Bortles. Just for the record, you have him ranked number six. You have them ahead of Carr. Palmer. You haven't had a. Palmer.

[Andy Holloway]

Crazy. Well, you know, you've got some injuries on the Cardinals weapons. You've got them going up against a very good pass defense. I don't expect the Bengals of last week to be. I mean, even. Even the Bengals that imploded last week, their defense was incredible.

[Jason Moore]

We both have Bortles at six, actually.

[Andy Holloway]

There you go.

[Jason Moore]

And then I have. We both have Mariota inside the top 10 this week, believe it or not. I think because of the matchup and because Mariota is coming off not a great game. But then the game before that, he had like four touchdowns, so he's kind of going to do that. He's going to rubber band a little bit, but I think he's streamable. All right, running backs, we already kind of talked about both these situations, so I don't think we have to linger too much. But Antonio Andrews and maybe David Cobb gets some snaps. And then you got TJ Eldon on the other side, who is an absolute start, assuming he's healthy or. And by healthy I mean active.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I agree.

[Jason Moore]

All right, Wide receiver wise. Wide receiver wise. Jason just mentioned him. He's a guy that I am streaming this week. I have him in my lineup right now over Marvin Jones.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you do?

[Jason Moore]

And over Kamar Aiken.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I don't blame you there. The Marvin Jones thing is questionable, but sure, tell the listeners.

[Jason Moore]

Well, Dorial Green Beckham, there you have. I am going to play him.

[Andy Holloway]

You are going to. Is that official?

[Jason Moore]

I don't want to make it official. I don't want to lock it in at 9am I might change my mind.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, you got to tweet out what.

[Jason Moore]

You do, but he is in there right now and he's a situation where it's happened before. He's a streamable guy tonight. No Kendall Wright, no Justin Hunter. You've got Delaney Walker and you've got Doriel Green Beckham. And I'm going to put my faith in the fact that Mario is going to move the ball enough to make him relevant. He had 10 targets two weeks ago. He had a very bad game last week. He's a rookie and we.

[Andy Holloway]

But we expected that with the matchup last week when we were talking waivers. Dorial Green Beckham was a guy.

[Jason Moore]

Josh Norman.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we. Exactly. We were looking forward to this week with Dorial Green Beckham. Kendall Wright is out. DGB has Been stepping up. His talent is fantastic. But then he got Josh Normand, so we even said like, look for, look forward to this week. So I'm happy you're starting him.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, it's always dangerous to go out on a limb, oh, this is a Thursday night game because I have to come back and show my face tomorrow morning. But I think Doria Green Beckham is streamable. He, he's in my, essentially my flex spot.

[Andy Holloway]

But you're clearly going to.

[Jason Moore]

But I'm playing him in my wide receiver spot.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

Because I don't want to. I want to have flexibility in my flex spot. But he's playing as my wide receiver three this week with Marshall and Julio and I'm going to play him.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. I guess you don't really have a lot of opportunity to change it. The game's coming quick.

[Jason Moore]

Coming quick. So on the other side of the ball, Hearns is expected to play. It's the Hearns and Robinson show. Do you start both? Yes, you do.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think you can start either of these guys. That was a joke.

[Jason Moore]

You have to come back from the joke. Then I'm just going to leave you out there on your island of stupidity.

[Andy Holloway]

Both of these guys have caught so many touchdowns, they've been doing a tandem job that we haven't seen a lot of teams do. I mean, they're doing like, you know, a decade worthy tandem of wide receivers. I mean, what, what would be a better performing wide receiver pair right now in the NFL?

[Jason Moore]

I would say Marshall Decker is up there. That's the only Marshall Decker.

[Andy Holloway]

That one comes to mind.

[Jason Moore]

Amari Cooper. Michael Crabtree is up there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they're pretty good.

[Jason Moore]

And Fitzgerald and somebody.

[Andy Holloway]

But that's split.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's not the case anymore. So. Yeah, both of those guys, you're right.

[Andy Holloway]

You throw them, you throw them out there. You, you're fine starting either one of those guys.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, absolutely. Just for the record too, I want to mention these. We both have Allen Robinson, number five on our wide receiver rankings this week. Alan Hearns, we have in the two category. You have him at 16, I have him at 19. So Mike, Mike couldn't be bothered to put rankings up because he was in gallivanting around Disneyland. Yeah, he was. Jerk star tours.

[Andy Holloway]

Cool.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. All right, let's talk tight end. I've already said it. Delaney's my start of the week this week. I'm going to talk about it in detail later. But Delaney, he was my start of the week two weeks ago. I just think the target is going to be there tonight, so we'll talk about that in a little bit. Any confidence at all in Julius Thomas? No way you're starting him?

[Andy Holloway]

No. No way I'm starting him. No confidence. And that's not to say that he can't have a decent game. We've seen Julius Thomas have decent games before with as hurt as Alan Hearns is, you know, if he comes up limp and they really need to get someone else involved, it could be JT but no way should you play him. There are other options that I think are deeper that are on the waivers, and JT probably isn't that I would gladly have over Julius Thomas.

[Jason Moore]

All right. All right. I didn't realize how much time had gone by. We have. We got six matchups in starts of the week. Let's move to. Yeah, let's do it. All right. Rams at the Ravens. Rams at the Ravens. You've got Case Keno making his debut. So the first question I'm going to ask when that type of thing happens is can you stream the Baltimore defense this week at home against essentially, Todd Gurley?

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

No. You're saying no?

[Andy Holloway]

I am saying no because what the Rams did here is they upgraded their quarterback. I realized that it is, you know, it's the first week that he's going to be starting. But I don't look at this as anything different than what the Rams already were, other than now they can throw the deep ball. So maybe Kenny Britt can show up. You got Wes Welker, who got a couple targets last game, looked younger than I expected him to on the field, and of course, Tavon Austin there. The Ravens, you know, their. Their secondary is beatable, so this is actually a good game for Case Keenum to come into. And, you know, I'm not. I'm. I'm not saying to stream Case Keenum, but, you know, if you're. If you're playing one of those larger crazy leagues where, you know, you're playing DFS and you want to win something big, that is surprising. You know, pairing Akinum and Brit. No one else is going to be doing it, but it could happen.

[Jason Moore]

Literally, no one else is going to be doing it. All right, Joe Flacco had a good week last week, but listen to this. His five best fantasy performances of the season came when he was able to throw for more than 300 passing yards. And the Rams have yet to give up 300 yards to a quarterback all year. So I'm not expecting big things from Joe Flacco this week.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I do not either. I think Joe Flacco is, you know, there's some question because of what Jay Cutler did to the Rams last week. So I think, I think that, that, you know, last week he put up three touchdowns in the first half and you're thinking, oh, maybe Joe Flacco can do it. But this Rams D is legit. They are for real. They are missing one of their key elements in their. In their pass rush. But I just don't see Joe Flacco having a big game this week, which is why I didn't like Kamara Akin.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Todd Gurley, he is my number one this week.

[Andy Holloway]

I was shocked where I had him.

[Jason Moore]

He's your five.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly. But that's, that's what it says. I had him at five. I had him as the fifth best running back and I was shocked. I was like. When I finished my stats and I looked at my rankings, I was like, oh, that's. That's disgustingly low.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. So we know he's starting. Yeah, yeah. And Justin for set. We pretty much know he's starting to. But the matchup isn't great.

[Andy Holloway]

No, the matchup's not great. He didn't have a. You know, I think he benefits. He's one of those guys that benefits a little bit more from the matchup than. He's not the type that's going to bully a very tough D. So I don't love 4 set this week.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Kenny, Brett, Tavon, Austin, Wes Welker, Brian Quick. O hum.

[Andy Holloway]

You just can't. You can't play the I can guess who it's going to be game and really, I think it's every bit as likely that it's not going to be anyone. You know, it's just.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, if I had to play when it's Austin. Clear, clearly Austin, because he'll get the most touches. They'll give him some opportunities to run the ball, make a big play.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Kamar Aiken this week on the other side of the ball. I'm tempering expectations with him. He's going to be matched up against Jenkins, no doubt. And Aiken, I have it as kind of like a back end wide receiver. Three this week. Are you in agreement?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. He's my six.

[Jason Moore]

The Rams are the sixth best past defense.

[Andy Holloway]

Right? Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. He was your set. Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Kamarikin, he definitely is going to. I think I've got him at 46 this week. He's going to get the targets, so he could get some receptions, but I don't see him having a high ceiling at all.

[Jason Moore]

All right. The Redskins head into Carolina to take on the Panthers. The Panthers are heavily favored in this game, but the Redskins have been playing well. So, Cam Newton, what did you make of that dance? Did you get to watch the dance?

[Andy Holloway]

I saw a part of the dance. I only had a little while, so. Yeah, see what I did there? I have no problem with it. And I love what Cam said about it at the end of the game. Yeah, he said, I'm a big believer of if you don't want me to do that dance, stop me from getting in.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

It's the NFL. I mean, look, I'm not personally one that likes those things. I don't actually look at that and go, yeah, Cam, you're cool. And if I was, if I was capable of playing in the NFL, which I'm very far away from, I wouldn't do that. I would be the guy that scores the touchdown. Go up, give a handshake to my quarterback, give the ball to the ref. That's my preference. But I don't have any problem with the guy scoring a touchdown and doing a dance.

[Jason Moore]

Did you do that dance after I threw you that extra point this past weekend or this past week?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, I did a. I did a backflip.

[Jason Moore]

No, you did not. No, no, that was called. You sat down on the field. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's. So Cam Newton, how. How do you feel about him this week is he's a guy people will make decisions on. So would you start Cam Newton over? Yeah. The answer is yes.

[Andy Holloway]

The answer is yes. When I got done stating my players.

[Jason Moore]

You're crazy. No, you're not crazy. You haven't won.

[Andy Holloway]

I haven't met one. Now I don't. When we stat these things out right, I'm looking at the average of what I expect people to be. So this is kind of like their, their mid level. And Cam to me is. Is not as gapped. Right. Tom Brady could easily. There's someone else is going to finish above Cam. I'm not saying he's going to be one, but I do think he's going to be consistent. You can bank on him, you know, at least having two touchdowns, one possibly on the ground, you know, 225 yards through the air and then also running for, you know, 30, 40 yards. That baseline just moves him so high.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So you'd start him over just about everybody? I would start him over most. Most guys, I'd start Palmer ahead of him. This week Because I'm staying in the flames with Palmer. I'd start Rodgers and Brady ahead of him.

[Andy Holloway]

Rogers and Brady are the only two that if I had, I would actually start ahead of him. Palmer's been great, but the weapons being injured is obviously a concern.

[Jason Moore]

Kirk Cousins sitting him down.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

After last week, you didn't want to reward him. The fantasy owners out there, they probably want to say, you know what, Kirk, you got it done. I'm going to give you another start. We're just going to give you one against Carolina. In Carolina.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. It's not going to happen. He was our stream of the week last week, the number one quarterback last week, and you can drop him. I don't think you need to keep him for the reason we played him. Last week was a matchup thing.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so let's talk about the running backs in this game. Jonathan Stewart has, I believe, five consecutive games of 20 carries.

[Andy Holloway]

Five consecutive games with 20 carries.

[Jason Moore]

It's either four or five. I'm going to. I'm going to verify that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he has been. He's been getting the ball, he's been running well. And even though he's not getting in the end zone as much as Jonathan Stewart owners would like, he's been getting in the end zone more than I.

[Jason Moore]

Four times. Four times in the end zone in the last five games. Five straight games with 20 plus carries. Not just touches.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So the workload is there and the.

[Andy Holloway]

Redskins are a beatable run D, especially with the power run game that the Panthers have. This is a matchup that I expect Jonathan Stewart to have plenty of yards and plenty of touches, and then you hope he gets that touchdown, which Cam will probably steal.

[Jason Moore]

Number one in attempts this year. Going away is Adrian Peterson. Number two, Jonathan Stewart. Jonathan Stewart. And then Chris Johnson, Devonte Freeman. All right, so we're starting Stewart without any hesitation. Are you chasing points with Matt Jones?

[Andy Holloway]

No, no way. I'm not chasing points with any redskin running back against Carolina. If, if you're low on the totem pole, you're, you know, your bench is depleted and you have to start a guy in this game. I think it would be Matt Jones. He's probably got the highest upside and the floors of Jones and Alf are pretty similar, but, you know, and the Panthers aren't a team that usually blows people out. So it's not going to be one of those where you got to have the pass catching back, you know, in the game for Washington. So Matt Jones would be the guy would start, but I would really Prefer other options from around the league.

[Jason Moore]

All right. I'm not going to spend any time lingering on pass catching Carolina Panthers. Outside of Olson, you're not really starting or streaming any of those guys this week. Unless I'm wrong. No.

[Andy Holloway]

If you have to, I would go.

[Jason Moore]

Gin and then Garcon and desean Jackson. Do you expect desean Jackson to continue to increase his usage here or is this just a matchup that just doesn't fit with him becoming fantasy relevant this.

[Andy Holloway]

Week over the course of the year? I expect it to happen this game. It really depends on. On who Norman is going to be on. Norman is normally on the number one outside guy, which I think it'll be Jackson. Yeah. Which would be Jackson. In which case. No. No. And the reason we don't like Kirk Cousins says we, you know, obviously wouldn't like wide receivers, but that also says I'm not super high on Rule 86 this week.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Jordan Reed is a little lower in my rankings. You know, he's.

[Jason Moore]

He was. Yeah, he's lower on mine, too. Let me give you some guys that we would start over read. According to our rankings, we would start Jacob, Tammy, consensus rankings above Reed. Maybe that's too far.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he is my start of the week, so I would.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And in that case, Delaney Walker is the other guy that I was going to mention and he's my start of the week. So.

[Andy Holloway]

Eric Ebron.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Jason Whitten, Tyler Ifer, Travis Kelsey. So he takes a big bump down because the offense, you know, Reed has actually his production in fantasy the last two weeks has been really touchdown dependent.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

He had two touchdowns last week and one the week before. And if he hadn't done that, he'd have been.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he's got about the same number of catches without a touchdown as he does with a touchdown the last couple of weeks.

[Jason Moore]

There you go. Yeah. So the Broncos go into the Bears. We're going to move on to this matchup. This one is a very low over, under total. Vegas has this game as a lower scoring game.

[Andy Holloway]

A big reason why, not only because of the great defense and poor offense, but the weather. 28 degrees. That's one of those rare very cold games where it actually affects especially the passing game. So even though it's expected to be clear. Did a little bit of research on games around this type of temperature and you see a lot fewer total plays every game because passing plays come way down and what ends up happening is just essentially more punts. Right. You have less success by the offenses and so Games tend to run out quicker.

[Jason Moore]

Well, it doesn't. And you got Brock Esweather now making his debut.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

And then you have the Langford Forte situation. Those are a couple of the big things to look at in this game. So let's start with Osweiler. You said that you feel like Thomas benefits as opposed to a neutral situation. I do not necessarily take that approach. I'm fairly neutral with that. I know Peyton's been failing so much. We said Thomas only has one touchdown on the whole year. I don't really feel like I can give him an endorsement in Chicago this week because I just don't see that. I have to see. Osweather wasn't impressive to me.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, he really was impressive in preseason, Andy.

[Jason Moore]

Well, okay, so there's that.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, with demarius Thomas, he's still going to be great. I mean, I think your. Your neutral endorsement. You know, he's been still a top wide receiver. I think he's. He's in the top three. Right. For total receptions this year or targets. He's been getting used. He just hasn't been in the end zone. So we've got him at consensus number seven this week. I think you've got him at 10, I've got him at four. He's still a good option. The Bears secondary isn't, you know, it isn't the Broncos secondary. And I do think he targets him a little bit more coming out of this game. Demarys Thomas will have the most targets in Denver.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I agree with that. So do we. Do we expect Emmanuel Sanders to be okay?

[Andy Holloway]

He is so hurt. Still not practicing right now. At least yesterday. He's probably going to be a limited participant today. He's a gamer. He's always played through injuries, so I expect him to play and be decent. But in a low scoring game, cold weather, Brock Osweiler. I'm tempering my hopes.

[Jason Moore]

No catches. No catches last week. We remind owners that don't need reminding.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. If you had Emmanuel Sanders, you're not happy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So check his status, though. We'll go through that tomorrow morning and let you know what happened on Thursday in terms of practice. Alshon, Jeffrey, we already gave you the overview with him. I don't really think you can start any other wide receivers there. Royal is going to be out. Marcus Wilson's done absolutely nothing. Even with guys being out. Bennett, Miller, Bennett was your sit of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I just don't expect a lot of offense in this game.

[Jason Moore]

That's really what it comes down to.

[Andy Holloway]

Either side of the ball. I think because of the weather, it's going to be more running. A lot of sits if there's going to be. Yeah, there's a lot of sits. And obviously you're not going to sit a guy like the Marius Thomas when he doesn't have a terrible matchup across the field. But everyone else, I'm willing to sit. I do like Langford. If Forte's out, I expect Langford to get the ball a lot in a cold weather and he's just been, you know, on fire. So I think the flames stay in the cold, if that makes any sense.

[Jason Moore]

No, not at all.

[Andy Holloway]

The flames stay in the cold weather. Flames stay alive.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. For Langford.

[Andy Holloway]

For Langford.

[Jason Moore]

For Langford. Yeah. The past defenses. Broncos are first, Bears are fourth. And then you mix in the weather and you mix in the situation and yeah, maybe a low scoring game. Maybe Vegas has that right. Cowboys go into Miami, take on the Dolphins, and Tony Romo will return in this one. I saw Mike in one of our leagues make a sneaky little move. He signed Dan Bailey, Very smart. Right before this week. So that would be something to mention to you if you want one of those higher profile kickers. Bailey's been good anyways. Now the offense might move a little bit.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, always. Always helps a. Always helps a kicker to be able to get in field goal range.

[Jason Moore]

Not to mention, Bailey's one of the guys that plays his home games in a dome. And this is the time of year when you need to pay attention to that because you don't want guys outside in 20 degree weather with the wind blowing and the snow falling and having to make, you know, make kicks.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Or even extra points from, you know, far away.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And our league has. Our league has a terrible penalty for missing an extra point. That has been there.

[Andy Holloway]

There's an old, old rule.

[Jason Moore]

Right. Because everybody's been there since the beginning.

[Andy Holloway]

So you got negative three points when you missed an extra point, which pretty much never mattered in our league of record.

[Jason Moore]

Sure. But if it did, it would be once in a year and it would be laughable and you'd lose some points.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. But now this year, we forgot to change that rule coming in before the season. And as they move the extra points back and you see them missing, these.

[Jason Moore]

Are affecting games and it is infuriating.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm sure we're not the only league like that.

[Jason Moore]

I have tried to change the rule twice during the season only to get voted down both times. And Jason voted me down.

[Andy Holloway]

I've got Guskowski. I want Those.

[Jason Moore]

That is so selfish.

[Andy Holloway]

What are you. What are you trying to do when you. I'm playing to win.

[Jason Moore]

You vote on league rules based on the integrity of the league in the offseason, not on rules that benefit you.

[Andy Holloway]

In the off season. You're exactly right. I completely agree. In the middle of the season, I'm not going to change.

[Jason Moore]

After nine years, your desperation's showing through. All right. Ryan Tannehill, Tony Romo. You like Romo. He was your stream of the week. I don't like Tannehill at all. I'd start a lot of guys above him, but Romo comes in. How does he affect McFadden, Dez, Terrence, Williams, and Whitten?

[Andy Holloway]

I believe that everybody rises here. I think that he. Rise, rise, Cowboys rise. You know, McFadden is not going to have the boxes stacked against him when Tony Romo's behind him. I still expect the Cowboys to run the ball and be. I mean, last year they had Tony Romo and DeMarco Murray was, you know, the league leader in yards. And so I think this is good for dmc. Some people are saying, oh, this is now the time to sell. I don't buy that. It's obviously good for DEZ Bryant. Hugely. Good for Des Bryant, good for Terrence Williams. And I think Tony Romo's got the. You know, he doesn't need weeks and weeks and weeks of practice and playbook. He knows the system. He's an extreme veteran. So he's going to come in and have a fine game against, you know, a winnable matchup.

[Jason Moore]

All right, the other side of the ball, Lamar Miller. Jai. We expect Miller to be totally fine as a. As a start this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you have to keep. I mean, the Cowboys defense is very good, but you have to stick with Miller. He just gets the ball, and if he doesn't get it going in the run game, they get him involved in the pass game. He's going to catch five passes and have a chance to break one off, get five. Five for 50, which is like what you get from a middling wide receiver, plus the carries and touchdown opportunities.

[Jason Moore]

All right, I agree with you. What about the wide receivers on Miami side? Who are you starting Landry over this week?

[Andy Holloway]

Probably a decent amount of people.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, like, would you start him over? We said Amendola earlier. Would you start Amendola or Landry? Did you say you'd start Amadola over?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, no, I said I would take Landry over Amendola rest of season.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Okay, Gotcha.

[Andy Holloway]

This week, I would take Amendola over Landry. The Cowboys defense is decent, and, you know, I'm excited to see what happens with New England week one with Amendola.

[Jason Moore]

All right, would you start. Would you start Hearns over Landry?

[Andy Holloway]

I have Hearns right now one spot ahead of Land, so it's real close. It's really close. But if I was the owner making that decision, I would put Landry in over Hearns. Because of the safety. Because of the safety. Because it gives me more time. I don't love personally playing Thursday players. It's always fun when you get to watch the Thursday game, have a horse in the race, but I just don't like it from a. From a practical standpoint, come Sunday for decisions and the injuries, you know, Hearns could come up limp in this game. So.

[Jason Moore]

He could come up lame in this game, is what you meant.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. Let's go with that. Then we can record all my sound bites.

[Jason Moore]

It's okay. It's okay. We're going to. I'm going to push these other two games to tomorrow.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

Because of. Because of the clock here. So we. I want to get into the starts of the week, and I don't want to be rushing through them all. So let's go and do that.

[Andy Holloway]

Starts of the week.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's do it. Jason, do you want to kick us off quarterback?

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. For the quarterback. You mentioned him, I believe, earlier this week. But my start of the week is Russell Wilson. Russell wishing. Russell Wilson is going to have as high a floor as you can have, but he also has an opportunity here against the 49ers. Remember when the 49ers played Seattle just a couple weeks ago? They played him really well. They were in that game for a while now. Seattle just lost at home to Arizona. And I feel like this is kind of like a double revenge factor. But the truth is, you have a high baseline and high upside with coming off that loss. Playing at home. They can run on the Niners. He can. And he can definitely throw on the Niners. So I just see he's only started in, what did you say, 39% of leagues last week?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So this is a matchup where, if you've got him, I would start him.

[Jason Moore]

All right. I'm going to go with my quarterback. Start of the week is Matthew Stafford. I know that might be painful to some former Stafford owners, but he faces Oakland. He's had some huge games this year. He's been in the 40s. He's had a lot of crap ones. I realized that. But this, this is a situation with starts of the week. Oakland is 26th against fantasy quarterbacks in terms of points given up and he's coming off a 242 game. I think it's a good matchup. You know, he just beat Green Bay and Green Bay and I like his streaming ability this week. And Mike actually, Mike actually just cheated on this one and his quarterback started the week. Here's what he wrote. I'm just going to tell you, I'm going to read it right to you. Stafford was the one I wanted and I'm tired, so still Stafford. Very nice. Very nice. That must have been after some Disneyland yesterday.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, there you go. We got the double Stafford. I'll go next to the running back and I'll stick with Mike. Mike's running back start of the week is Gio Bernard. Arizona is very good against the run, but Arizona has been susceptible to pass catching. Running backs, we saw that Mark Ingram ate him alive when he was just taking little screens. And so, yeah, Gio Bernard could be someone that you are afraid to start because of the Arizona matchup, but he should be able to eat in the pass catching game. For myself, I spoke about that a minute ago, but I've got Jeremy Langford. I want to stay in the flames with Jeremy Langford. He has looked fantastic. It's going to be a cold game, which benefits handing the ball off, running it more lower scores, keep the running backs involved. He's not going to get game plan, game flowed out of this game. So I like Langford. If you've got him, I would start him. If Forte comes back, obviously I would not just start Jeremy Langford.

[Jason Moore]

All right. My running back start of the week is Chuck Andrich West. I know that's kind of at the top of the barrel there, but last week he's only 69% started. I'm sure after the big game that was going to change regardless. But he's bona fide locked in as an RB1 this week. The Chargers are the worst team in football in terms of points given up to fantasy running backs. And that should absolutely continue this week with Chuck Hendrick West. He's getting the lion's share, he's getting the pass game targets and he's making Jamal Charles owners feel a little bit better about themselves if they picked him up. So I'll go ahead and start the wide receiver. It's Brandon Lafell for me. Brandon LaFell against Buffalo, yes, there is the Danny Amendola factor and everybody's all hyped up about him. But I expect Brandon Lefell to have, you know, be a solid wide receiver to play on Monday Night Football. Nine to 10 targets in this game, and I think he might get in the end zone finally. Yeah, that's going to be my. That'll be my prediction this week.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I like it a lot. My wide receiver start of the week is Amari Cooper, obviously a super talented rookie wide receiver. Last week he got five for 79. He hasn't had. It's been five games since he's had less than five receptions. So now he comes up against Detroit, and I know Detroit looked amazing against Green Bay, but that was just, you know, that's one of those intense rivalries where they always rise to a certain occasion. Detroit is not that team. Detroit has not been that great against the pass. And Amari Cooper, I think you can start him because he has a decent baseline. He's not going to. He's not going to go out there and put up four fantasy points and burn you. He's going to be enough consistency to where you can put him in your lineup, get something for him. And he has the potential here to have an explosive game.

[Jason Moore]

Mike's wide receiver start of the week is Stevie Johnson. And I like that a lot. He's. He's pretty much the number one target there right now. I didn't like Gates, okay. Because I thought Gates is. Kansas City's giving up something like 31 yards a game to the tight end or less than that. Something ridiculous. They're playing very well against the tight end, and I like their. Their offense. So this is a target play, I think, for Mike. The Casey secondary has improved, but Stevie Johnson is just going to get the targets. Malcolm Floyd is out this week. Kendall or not Kendall. Right. Keenan Allen is out, obviously, for the season. So Stevie Johnson, somebody that you can kind of stream in there and I think get at least a baseline production. I'm going to speak, you know, to that, so.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I like that a lot.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, so let's talk tight end. I'll start with Mike's tight end start. And he makes it very simple. He says it's Eric Ebron, and then he writes in all caps, Oakland.

[Andy Holloway]

I think you mean Oakland.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, because Ebron said when he saw.

[Andy Holloway]

The schedule, yeah, I mean, you know, Oakland still all year has been eaten up. I realized this last week, this last week, Kyle Rudolph didn't eat them up, but he dropped a wide open. I mean, drop. Dropped a touchdown. I mean, it's like, yeah, you can't ask for more or Rather less from the defense opposing. So I love the Eric Ebron pick. I would have picked him for mine if I hadn't had him last week. But mine, I decided to go a little bit lower. We're at the point in the season where injuries and other factors are coming in and people need sometimes to go off of waivers. So I went with a stream type of guy and that's Jacob. Tammy. Jacob. Tammy has had a few big volume games. Indianapolis gives up a lot of yards and receptions and recently touchdowns to the tight end. Hankerson is back to practice a little bit, but he's still, he's still coming up lame. So I think that you've got a matchup here that is going to need the tight end and use the tight end. And I expect a decent game from Tammy, especially if you're in a half point or full point ppr. I'd start him over a lot of other guys, including, as we said earlier, Jordan Reed.

[Jason Moore]

It's about time, Jacob. Tammy got streamed good. There you go. So for me it's Delaney Walker. I said it earlier, they don't have a lot of other pass catching options. So I think five to six catches, 70, 80 yards and a chance at a touchdown is what you can expect tonight in the Thursday Night Football game. So if you're not feeling great about your tight end and you need to roll somebody in there, I'd roll Delaney Walker in there and see where. See where the chips fall.

[Andy Holloway]

I like that a lot.

[Jason Moore]

So those are our starts of the week and that does it for today's show. We're gonna have the rest of the fantasy forecast tomorrow. We should have Chris Meaney on for our Daily Dose segment and some other things going on tomorrow. And do you have any parting words for our listeners? Mike? I just said. Mike. Mike, do you have any thoughts?

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Mike. Okay, Jason, do you have any final thoughts?

[Andy Holloway]

I am going to be working out my knee to get over this injury to come back strong next week.

[Jason Moore]

I had four touchdown passes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, you did.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, that was probably the only bad throw I made all day. And honestly, you should have caught it.

[Andy Holloway]

You should have caught it. Probably just too slow. You threw a regular person and I was out running like a.

[Jason Moore]

It's okay. You were open. I should have hit you.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I apologize.

[Andy Holloway]

That's all right.

[Jason Moore]

I blame Jay Cutler's mechanics video that I've been watching.

[Andy Holloway]

Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another edition of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Don't forget to visit us on the web at www.thefantasyfootballers.com and follow us on Twitter the FFballers.